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65[00:25:55] <AciD`> anyone?
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66[00:26:19] <mtn_> anyone what?
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80[00:29:06] <zykotick9> AciD`: i'd suggest trying the
non-Live version (netinst/cd1/dvd1)
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115[00:43:55] <AciD`> zykotick9 -> I'll take a look
thanks (though without much hope ; as far as I remember, Debian
installations done with a usb key always have had this problem :?)
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134[00:53:24] <freeroute> hello, I want to basically make a
bootable USB stick but not like a live environment. Not sure how
it's called. Usually you'd just dd the iso onto a USB
stick, but I want to make it so that I'll make the usb stick
ready with already debian pre-installed. I think I have to partition
the stick and do installation manually.
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135[00:53:43] <freeroute> I don't know if I'm
explaining it stupidly but if so please forgive me.
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136[00:54:00] <abff> persistentence?
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138[00:54:21] <abff> so the usb can boot into debian and also
have a persitent fs on it for file storage?
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139[00:54:59] <freeroute> yeah, so like the main debian install
on your HDD but on the USB stick
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140[00:55:52] <abff>
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142[00:57:16] <abff> The link at the end of the first paragraph
should be able to cover any extra options you feel is missing in the
guide
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150[01:00:36] <zykotick9> freeroute: i'm not sure what you
want... but i just want to point out you can install onto a usb
drive (like it was a hard drive) if you want... just be sure grub is
installed to the correct location (note, it _should_ by default)
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151[01:02:05] <freeroute> abff: this boots into a live
environment and loads settings from the persistence partition? If so
then I'm not sure this is what I'm looking for. Let's
say you boot into a live usb stick that you created by just
dd'ing the iso image onto a usb stick and booting from there.
Once in the live environment, you insert another usb stick. In the
live environment you specify to install the OS onto this newly
inserted
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152[01:02:07] <freeroute> USB stick.
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154[01:02:32] <freeroute> I'm looking for installing the
entire OS on that USB stick, but without booting into a live
environment first.
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156[01:04:10] <Digz> freeroute, I guess it is technically
possible..... make a debian netboot usbstick on stick #1, boot from
it, and then install on stick #2.
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158[01:04:43] <Digz> voila, stick #2 should now be bootable and
usable.
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159[01:05:04] <freeroute> ah ok, but there is no way to do this
without booting into netboot or live environment?
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160[01:05:38] <abff> well you need something to install from, cd
or usb or netboot
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164[01:05:51] <zykotick9> freeroute: <sidenote> personally
i find running an OS from USB2 to be incredibly slow... ymmv.
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165[01:05:55] <Digz> freeroute, if you make an installer boot
usb, it can also be the full ISO DVD version with everything on it
if you want.... the installer doesn't boot into live
environment.
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167[01:06:28] <zykotick9> freeroute: there is an alternative
called debootstrap where you can install debian from another working
linux install... but using install media USB/CD is a lot easier.
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168[01:06:29] <Digz> freeroute, you just have to run the
installer once, just like you would install to any hard drive....
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174[01:09:04] <Digz> freeroute, and to add to zykotick9 remarks:
I would use a USB 3.0 compatible stick for the OS install. At least
then you get some form of speed when booting on a computer with USB
3.0 (you will still be backwards compatible with USB 2.0)
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179[01:10:26] <freeroute> ah, debootstrap is what I was
initially looking for but now I see that it's pretty involved.
I think it would be indeed faster to just boot from installation
medium. However: I don't have network connectivity on the
machine which will boot from the final USB stick and I don't
want GUI. Is there something like netboot but more complete and
without GUI?
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182[01:12:00] <zykotick9> freeroute: two notes 1) you can
install a working install without network with netinst (it's
VERY minimal) and 2) if you install without neetworking, your
/etc/apt/source.list will be "broken" after install, and
you'll need to manually add the correct repos.
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185[01:13:00] <zykotick9> s/a working install/a working system/
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199[01:19:01] <freeroute> oh that will do fine too I think.
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202[01:19:48] <freeroute> when I'm reconnected again I can
then just manually edit it and get updates that way.
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205[01:19:59] <freeroute> yeah, I think I'll go with that.
Thanks everyone!
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214[01:24:47] <AciD`> zykotick9 -> well, I have the exact
same problem with the netinstall ; it keeps searching for a CD while
it's an USB
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220[01:25:45] <AciD`> the *only* way to pass this blocking bug
is to install *from* a live session where the 'CD search'
point to the usb
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complete the installation while the live session, I think due to the
very small RAM available (I let it run for more than an hour)
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226[01:26:53] <AciD`> so, is there anybody here that manage to
install the netinst with a USB key (and not get stuck at the
'Detect and mount the CD' step?
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232[01:29:02] <zykotick9> AciD`: you issue usually shows up when
people use unetbootin or rufus (which are both terrible). i use usb
to install debian netinst all the time...
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233[01:29:11] <AciD`> the 'Automated install' also
fails miserably at that 'cd' step :/
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234[01:29:40] <AciD`> well, from my Debian testing, I just
downloaded a fresh iso and ran `dd
if=/home/acid/dl/iso/debian-8.7.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
of=/dev/sdf; sync`
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235[01:30:01] <AciD`> this is annoying :/
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236[01:30:37] <AciD`> I think I'm seeing this CD problem
for a decade now
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240[01:31:25] <AciD`> it's weird that it subsist across so
many Debian version, and that nobody fixed that critical bug. That
or all the computers I used are cursed ;)
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244[01:34:22] <AciD`> the expert mode allows me to choose the
steps to run, but I still need to load the components somehow, and
the CD (which this netbook does not have) is not to be found there
too :|
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253[01:40:27] <AciD`> is there a way to check the generated USB
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260[01:41:20] <AciD`> since I cannot find any help on the usual
search engine, it's really weird that only I get this critical
bug, I figured perhaps the dd command did not workedfor the last 10
years? :/
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261[01:41:25] <AciD`> (for me)
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266[01:42:01] <zykotick9> AciD`: you could try cp as an
alternative...
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267[01:42:15] * zykotick9 doens't think it would likely change
anything...
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269[01:42:49] <AciD`> do you guys even see that CD step while
using the netinst?
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272[01:43:45] <AciD`> as I said, the _only_ way for me to be
able to install debian, is to first startup the live session, *then*
from there launch the install. It's the only way I found to
bypass the buggy 'Detect and mount CD-ROM' step
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286[01:56:04] <Spr1ng> I'm trying to upgrade qemu-utils
from 2.2.1 to 2.7.1 on a Debian 7 system but I'm getting the
following issue with apt-get, can anybody help me determine what the
cause of the issue is so that I can troubleshoot?
replaced-url
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288[01:56:43] <Spr1ng> essentially getting "dpkg: error
processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/qemu-utils_1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u20_amd64.deb
(--unpack):"
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291[01:59:07] <AciD`> oh my, I managed 'unblock' the
situation by using the shell menu, then typing `mount -t iso9660 -o
ro /dev/sdb1 /cdrom && ln -s /cdrom /dev/cdrom`
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292[01:59:15] <AciD`> then the installation can continue!
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293[01:59:33] <AciD`> this is really, really bad
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296[01:59:55] <AciD`> how come this is not automated? Is there
really no casual user that install Debian?
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307[02:15:52] <zykotick9> AciD`: thanks for update. i've
made a note. i don't think you experience is
"typical"... but i certainly can't explain why.
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326[02:29:26] <alexy> gmrun crashes with segmentation fault on
dist-upgrade lately, where can i report this bug
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334[02:31:45] <ghogday86> is xfce 4.12 not considered stable
enough to be included in the debian repos or is there another
reason?
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343[02:40:10] <abff> I have it, but I run sid -> $
xfce4/unstable,now 4.12.3 all [installed,automatic]
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347[02:43:25] <ghogday86> i see. I looked and I didnt see that
it was considered unstable...i obviously didnt look good enouhg
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349[02:43:57] <ryouma> i installed libreoffice, but the menu
fonts are so small that they are impossible for me to read. i cannot
get closer to the screen. what can i do to make sure applications
don't do this? i already have dpi set to 240. is there some
library change i must do to make libreoffice behave?
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350[02:43:59] <ghogday86> I know how to install it. Was curious
of the reasoning of it not being available
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358[02:45:28] <ghogday86> ryouma
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359[02:45:36] <ghogday86> settings>appearance>font
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360[02:46:15] <ghogday86> thats xfce settings not libreoffice
settings
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362[02:48:03] <ryouma> hmm, i use fluxbox
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363[02:48:49] <ghogday86> sorry, was on the wrong tab
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368[02:49:52] <ghogday86> that would be a question for the
fluxbox channel
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370[02:50:07] <ghogday86> #fluxbox
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373[02:51:17] <abff> ghogday86: I have no idea what the criteria
are for a particular package to move from sid to stable, I assume
it's a grueling testing process done by the team who maintains
jessie
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374[02:51:49] <abff> Which is why I run sid, so I can raise
flags when I run into problems :D
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377[02:53:03] <n4dir> packages don't get from sid to stable
at all.
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379[02:55:49] <ghogday86> its been 2 years now since the release
of 4.12...
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380[02:56:09] <ghogday86> must be something other then time
needed for testing
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381[02:57:11] <n4dir> the reason is the way debian releases.
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384[02:59:30] <ryouma> ok i just asked on #fluxbox, but my sense
is that fluxbox has nothign to do with it :)
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385[02:59:32] <ghogday86> debian 8 was released 2 months after
xfce 4.12 - so youre saying that at release of jessie xfce 4.12 was
not the decided upon release 4.10 was? meaning 4.12 will NOT be in
the debian repos, ever? xfce wont be included in the debian repos
until the next major debian release?
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386[02:59:38] <ryouma> n(not that i know what i am talking about
here)
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387[03:00:11] <n4dir> ghogday86: yes, that is the way it is.
Once stable is released no new software get's in
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391[03:01:29] <ghogday86> @ ryouma: fluxbox is your window
manager so yeah you might be right
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394[03:02:38] <ryouma> where should i ask this q?
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396[03:03:02] <ghogday86> @ ryouma: are you opposed to
installing additional software? or are you looking for a terminal
solution?
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397[03:03:09] <abff> what about #libreoffice ?
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400[03:04:08] <ryouma> ghogday86: i guess i'm looking for
any solution that works. i am more comfortable with scriptable
solutions and prefer solutions that are in the debian repo.
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411[03:09:38] <ryouma> ghogday86: for clarification, i am
referring to the menu in the libreoffice application. (file edit
view whatever.) and other stuff the application does. they are
unreadably small.
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412[03:09:53] <ghogday86> yeah i know
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415[03:10:34] <ghogday86> that font size is controlled by your
DE or your window manager...in your case your window manager -
fluxbox
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417[03:11:58] <ghogday86> yes that link i sent you deals with
the windows title font but thats where libreoffice and other gui
applications pull that information from..the DE or WM
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418[03:12:59] <ghogday86> so if you change the menu font size it
will change the title font as well
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419[03:13:17] <ryouma> but my menu font size in fluxbox is
perfect. i do not want to change it.
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421[03:13:28] <ghogday86> arent they the same size?
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422[03:14:03] <ryouma> the libreoffice fonts are extremely tiny.
perhaps they do not respect dpi?
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423[03:14:19] <ryouma> if they were the same size i would not be
here asking what to do :)
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428[03:15:53] <ghogday86> id like to help ya but i think weve
polluted the debian chanel with non debian related chat for too long
now
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429[03:16:18] <ryouma> ok, i thought this was related enough. i
appreciate your attempts to help.
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430[03:16:38] <ryouma> what channel would be appropriate? no
response yet on ##fluxbox.
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434[03:17:06] <ryouma> in general, does debian have a ... policy
or something for font sizes?
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451[03:27:09] <ghogday86> in general debian does not have a gui
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453[03:28:17] <ghogday86> if you install debian standard it is
cli
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466[03:36:06] <ryouma> that wasn't what i meant
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467[03:36:23] <ghogday86> what did you mean?
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468[03:36:25] <ryouma> i just mean, what controls font sizes,
and does debian try to control them?
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469[03:36:48] <ghogday86> no, in general the WM does
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470[03:36:57] <ghogday86> did you see my PM?
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479[03:39:20] <KNERD> Anyone got any experience with this
Gparted running on a somwhwat Live Disro?
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480[03:39:52] <KNERD> The GUI application will not launch
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482[03:40:14] <KNERD> according to the section Accessing Desktop
Menu
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489[03:44:13] <somiaj> What live distro are you using?
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493[03:46:14] <KNERD> It's clearly Debian as it has the
Debian logos
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495[03:46:47] <KNERD> but they put gparted on it
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497[03:47:07] <KNERD> they call it Gparted Live
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500[03:47:24] <Hello71> !deriv
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504[03:48:07] <KNERD> Does Debian Live actual have G[arted on
it?
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521[03:52:30] <peterrooney> Hello71: you mean `!based on
debian' ?
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524[03:53:09] <somiaj> KNERD: there are multiple debian live
images, which one did you get? I think the desktop ones do have
gparted on it, if not you can install it with apt-get install
gparted
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527[03:54:01] <KNERD> somiaj: I got the One the Gparted folks
have with their gparted on it. But it refuses to run per their
instructions
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528[03:54:08] <KNERD> iw ill give it a try then, thanks
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530[03:55:39] <somiaj> we won't be able to support gparted
live image, but try a debian live image. They have one for the
different desktop enviorments, and if gparted is not installed, you
can install it
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531[03:56:06] <KNERD> thanks
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544[04:00:10] <artificial> So I copied my /home/$USER folder to
/tmp and then partitioned and mounted a new larger harddrive to
/home and lastly copied the $USER dir back to the newly mounted
/home. Now gdm doesnt log in to gnome (it keeps going to lockscreen
after typing in password).
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546[04:01:24] <KNERD> i would of just cloned the drive to a
larger one
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547[04:01:52] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I had to install pulseaudio
to get sound the latest Firefox ESR but now I can't get any
audio from my laptop's speakers. I only get it using the
headphone jack. Any idea what I can check?
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549[04:03:15] <artificial> KNERD: well its too late now. Now
what?
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552[04:07:03] <KNERD> artificial: why too late? you easred the
old drive?
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557[04:09:13] <LiuYan> artificial: how did you
"copied" your $HOME folder ?
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559[04:10:16] <artificial> KNERD: ...possibly
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560[04:10:17] <ryouma> artificial: perhaps you want a symlink?
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561[04:10:25] <ryouma> artificial: or to change /etc/passwd?
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562[04:10:25] <artificial> LiuYan: cp -r
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564[04:10:36] <LiuYan> artificial: `/bin/cp -rp` or `rsync -av`
should keep file permissions
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565[04:10:39] <ryouma> oh nm
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570[04:13:07] <LiuYan> artificial: maybe check /home and
/home/$USER permission ?
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571[04:13:44] <mehul> I need to create a debian-live system on a
USB stick. All I have access to is an OSX system. Will I be able to
create it on that ?
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574[04:17:52] <artificial> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K Mar 4
13:09 home; drwxr-xr-x 31 artificial artificial 4.0K Mar 14 16:07
artificial;
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577[04:18:50] <artificial> wait
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581[04:19:38] <artificial> It says my $USER dir is owned by root
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585[04:21:41] <artificial> `chown -R artificial:artificial
/home/artificial` solved it.
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593[04:24:29] <mns> Is it possible to have multiple boot images
on a single USB ? I need to have one for i386 and another for amd64.
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597[04:28:13] <zykotick9> mns: there is a netinst 32 & 64
bit linked from debian.org in the top right corner
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601[04:30:03] <mns> zykotick9: what I want to do is have a
bootable USB stick. This way I dont have to carry around cds or
dvds. was wondering if I needed to carry 2 USB sticks or can get it
done on one.
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606[04:32:04] <zykotick9> mns: just one is requied (if you use
that one i mentioned), and yes you can put it onto a usb.
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609[04:33:06] <NemesisD> hey folks. just installed debian
stable. ive noticed that many web fonts seem to have corrupted
glyphs:
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610[04:33:26] <NemesisD> anyone have any ideas how i can
troubleshoot this?
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614[04:34:54] <NemesisD> its not all web fonts too. roboto looks
fine
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619[04:35:50] <mns> zykotick9: thanks. so I take it I can't
use the USB stick such that it will use the 32-bit image to boot up
or the 64-bit image, depending on the architecture I'm on. That
clarifies things. Thanks.
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626[04:39:56] <NemesisD> nevermind, fixed fonts!
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628[04:41:00] <zykotick9> mns: upon boot there is a menu for
selecting either 32 or 64 bit.
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631[04:45:39] <KNERD> i just download
debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso put it to USB using
Live USB Creator, booted it, GRUB loads and that is it. Said
"no kernerel loaded"
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632[04:45:48] <KNERD> what is going on with that?
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636[04:49:01] <curiousx> Hi! there, sry for the off topic but
what do you think about my global CSS that i'm cooking ?
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645[04:51:39] <KNERD> WAY OF TOPIC IS WHAT I THINK
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656[04:58:50] <eeeyy2u> How? However they please and with
relative ease: Biological warfare (who's going to save the
black masses, all those "brilliant" witch doctors and
voodoo practitioners?), starvation (cannibalism will only get them
so far), simply cutting them off from the White man's
"tit" would take care of most of them (no more endless
"gibs-me-dats" to get), then roll over the rest militarily
(Shaka Zulu will not save them and spears cannot take down drones,
jets, or
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657[04:58:55] <eeeyy2u> missiles).
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660[04:59:16] <curiousx> /win close
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662[04:59:27] <eeeyy2u> Jews will make quick work of them once
they have worn out their usefulness (the brown and yellow masses
will be just about as easy to deal with), then their plans will be
completed and they will have this world to themselves.
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663[04:59:52] <eeeyy2u> Once Whites have been completely
disenfranchised, displaced, and utterly destroyed, they will circle
back around to claim everything from their black and brown
WMD's.
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664[04:59:54] <stoned> ...
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665[05:00:25] <stoned> curses: #css
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creator, from a command line you can just copy the iso directly to
the usb device with cp, cp debian.iso /dev/sdX where sdX is the usb
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671[05:04:46] <somiaj> KNERD: from windows use win32diskimager
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677[05:07:29] <KNERD> somiaj: oh..okay..thanks
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678[05:08:01] <KNERD> somiaj: i tried tuxboot, tbut that failed
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681[05:08:28] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
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686[05:11:17] <stoned> just any usb image you want to put on a
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687[05:11:24] <stoned> (including hybrid iso)
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688[05:11:30] <stoned> as most linux iso are
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690[05:11:35] <stoned> including debian installer iso.
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695[05:13:09] <stoned> But you have to specify devices like
\\PhysicalDevice\somethin like a windows UNC path thingy
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854[06:36:08] <mns> My system always want to boot use PXE, even
though I have network boot setup as the last option. It does not
boot from the hard drive, even though it used to do that. Has anyone
seen anything like that before ?
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859[06:37:41] <mns> hard drive was bootable. its the same drive
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1166[08:42:53] <meldron> hey guys, i'am using debian jessie
with the default gnome window manager and i want to run chrome in
full screen mode kiosk, but sometimes (let's say every 5th
start) the full screen is net complete and a little part is missing.
Anybody with the same problem? any suggestions how to fix this?
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1177[08:48:47] <Kacie> meldron I hate it when that happens
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1178[08:49:04] <meldron> Here an screenshot of the incomplete
fullscreen
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1182[08:49:44] <meldron> it is really anoyning because i guess i
have to come up with a way the recognize it when it happens so i can
restart chrome
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1186[08:51:35] <moetunes> gnome is overkill for a kiosk setup -
try a simple wm and set it for fullscreen for all apps
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1194[08:56:00] <Kacie> meldron
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1198[08:58:35] <topi`> how old are the mesa/drm userspace libs in
jessie? I'm trying to get "mpv" to display stuff
using --opengl-backend=drm but so far no luck (Invalid argument)
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1199[08:58:42] <topi`> I compiled mpv from source
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1200[08:59:28] <meldron> Kacie: why would you suggest switching
the browser?
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1201[08:59:30] <moetunes> you might be experiencing dependency
hell
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1202[08:59:35] <omilunomilun> hello . i need to have some user to
ssh to server . i have to use a role to each user to can ssh with
only a spechial ip address on thier users
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1203[08:59:41] <omilunomilun> how can i do that?
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1204[08:59:59] <Kacie> meldron so you don't get site hacked
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1205[09:00:12] <meldron> site hacked?
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1206[09:00:48] <Kacie> yes. & pls troll elsewhere
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1209[09:01:55] <cef> topi`: they're not very new.
there's newer ones in jessie-backports (mesa 13.0.5, libdrm
2.4.74), but no mesa 17 or libdrm later than that
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1210[09:02:10] <omilunomilun> infact i want my client only can
ssh to thier users with thier own ip address
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1211[09:02:16] <topi`> cef: so, it's worth checking out the
backports
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1213[09:02:52] <cef> topi`: definitely.. tho of course, you want
to make sure you're actually getting hardware accel in the
first place.
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1215[09:03:51] <cef> topi`: what video card? cos if it's
intel Kaby Lake (eg: i7-7700), it still won't work (stuck with
this issue atm)
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1216[09:03:54] <meldron> not sure what you mean
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1217[09:04:26] <topi`> cef: this is an embedded board. It uses
Vivante GC2000 graphics :D
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1218[09:04:40] <cef> topi`: ah fun fun.
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1219[09:04:42] <topi`> I compiled 4.11 kernel for the fact that
it has a working etnaviv 3d drm driver
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1220[09:04:53] <topi`> cef: we do this for a living, so it
doesn't need to be fun ;)
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1224[09:06:02] <topi`> cef: I think all the pieces are there, but
now I just need to "make it work", probably means that I
have to compile mesa/libdrm from source
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1225[09:06:04] <cef> topi`: well, good luck with it. :D I know
there is mesa 17 and a later libdrm in experimental too, tho as
always, it's experimental for a reason.
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1228[09:06:41] <topi`> we're going to use pure DRM/KMS
without Xorg, but it seems that compiling mesa requires X for some
reason
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1229[09:07:05] <cef> topi`: indeed
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1233[09:09:41] <topi`> cef: I know it's possible to take a
package or packages from experimental and plant them onto stable via
Pinning and other tricks, but I'm a bit wary of this since
it's ended up badly in historical times...
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1234[09:09:55] <topi`> that's why I prefer to compile the
exotic things from source and install to /usr/local
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1235[09:10:14] <bazhang> mpv is not exotic
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1236[09:10:19] <topi`> well of course then I'd have to
apt-get remove the "conflicting" drm/mesa packages
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1237[09:10:28] <bazhang> what as the end goal with mpv
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1238[09:10:28] <topi`> bazhang: no, but mesa 17 is :)
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1242[09:11:27] <omilunomilun> anybody can not help me?
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1244[09:11:38] <jelly> topi`: use stretch instead of bolting
things onto current stable, probably saner this far in the release
cycle
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1247[09:13:10] <moetunes> omilunomilun: there is plenty on the
net about ssh - what have you tried ?
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1248[09:13:20] <topi`> jelly: that's a good idea, actually
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1249[09:13:31] <topi`> I'll put debootstrap at work, now :)
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1250[09:13:42] <topi`> or maybe it works just as well to
dist-upgrade jessie to stretch?
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1252[09:14:08] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
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1253[09:14:08] <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a
pre-release distribution without timely security support and that
you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target>
<testing> <testing security>. From
/etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like
jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get
update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more
instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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1254[09:14:45] <topi`> ok, that's entirely doable
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1256[09:15:05] <topi`> I have only one single line in my
/etc/apt/sources :)
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1262[09:16:30] <jelly> that means your sources were already
incomplete
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1269[09:19:25] <Lvl4Sword> flashplugin-nonfree gives a 404 error
message, because
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1272[09:20:22] <moetunes> I thought flash was dead
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1276[09:20:48] <bazhang> doesnt chrome have it by default
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1279[09:21:55] <Lvl4Sword> moetunes: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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1280[09:21:57] <Lvl4Sword> bazhang: no clue
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1281[09:22:13] <bazhang> yeah it does
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1282[09:22:17] <moetunes> I've no idea, all my porn is
webm's
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1283[09:24:04] <topi`> jelly: I just deboostrapped this jessie,
and it only gave me a single line to the etc/apt/sources
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1288[09:29:57] <topi`> when does Stretch go to feature freeze?
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1291[09:31:53] <Lvl4Sword> topi`: Already has, about a month ago.
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1292[09:32:01] <topi`> ok, that's good news!
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1293[09:32:27] <topi`> what about the great Usr Merge? do I get
it with Stretch?
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1297[09:32:55] <jelly> topi`: only if you want to
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1298[09:32:59] <topi`> I'd imagine there might be a few
packages broken by it...
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1299[09:33:05] <topi`> I think I want to
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1300[09:33:22] <Iridos> jelly, put stretch freeze in the
topic… remove the bit that jessie released (point-release is
sufficient)
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1305[09:33:55] <jelly> someone on internet is WRONG
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1306[09:34:07] <Iridos> jelly, I know… because I already
told ya numerous times
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1307[09:34:14] <Iridos> we'll cut your pay if you continue
like that!
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1310[09:35:03] <topi`> what we want to create, is a system with
"transactional" updates, I believe usrmerge will make it
simpler
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1315[09:35:55] <Iridos> what's the great Usr Merge
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1320[09:36:25] <judd> Package usrmerge (admin, extra) in
sid/amd64: Convert the system to the merged /usr directories scheme.
Version: 14; Size: 11.8k; Installed: 43k; Homepage:
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1323[09:37:22] <userro> did people install it 43k times?
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1324[09:37:44] <Iridos> that should be installed-size
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1325[09:37:46] <bazhang> userro, thats the size
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1376[10:06:11] <__marco> Hello. Can I see from
packages.debian.org the compilation flags used for a specific
package?
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1380[10:08:27] <__marco> Or, can you make Hangouts work with
chromium? I have to use google-chrome but I would avoid if possible
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1382[10:08:53] <__marco> no sorry, I mean the screen sharing
function in Hangouts
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1385[10:09:27] <Iridos> well… when you figured out what
you want to ask, we'll be here ^^
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1386[10:09:48] <Iridos> there's a screen-sharing function in
google's hangouts?
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1387[10:10:09] <__marco> Yes, and we use it a lot
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1390[10:10:37] <themill> !debian/rules
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1391[10:10:37] <dpkg> debian/rules is the makefile used when
building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options.
Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be
documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new
entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a
backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the
version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package
recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>.
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1393[10:10:57] <__marco> But it doesn't work with chromium.
This is why I look for some strange compilation flags in the
chromium package
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1396[10:11:17] <__marco> enable_hangout_services_extension=false
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1397[10:11:24] <Iridos> I don't see any such thing in the
google-chrome I installed
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1400[10:12:20] <Iridos> maybe it was only added in a much later
version than jessie's chromium is?
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1401[10:12:34] <__marco> Iridos: start an hangout with someone (I
do that from gmail) and there is a button in the top left
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1403[10:13:22] <__marco> It doesn't work with chromium, only
with google-chrome
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1404[10:13:37] <__marco> I would try with firefox
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1414[10:17:59] <Iridos> hm, interesting
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1415[10:18:15] <Iridos> but when I call chromium ->
google-chrome, the button also shows up in chromium
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1416[10:18:44] <Iridos> oh, but then doesn't seem to work
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1423[10:19:53] <__marco> Iridos: that is exactly my problem
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1424[10:20:27] <__marco> And because I have to use the screen
sharing at work, I am stuck with google-chrome
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1429[10:24:32] <__marco> And the google talk plugin seems not to
work with Firefox :(
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1431[10:24:36] <__marco> too bad
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1447[10:33:29] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1452[10:34:20] <Iridos> maybe that's one of the proprietary
bits in chromium
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1458[10:36:21] <Iridos> __marco,
replaced-url
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1463[10:37:46] <ksk> Hey, If I removed the mysql data-dir, how do
I make apt-get install reinstall that? there was a dpkg option for
that if I remember correctly?
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1465[10:38:37] <Iridos> The new hangouts beta works OK in
Chromium 46.0.xxxx (on ArchLinux).
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1467[10:38:45] <Iridos> urgh. that seems a thing of the past
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1468[10:39:23] <abff> I used hangouts for a spell
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1471[10:39:50] <__marco> Iridos: I have already read it before
asking. That is why my first question was: how to show the
compilation flags of a specific package
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1472[10:40:48] <__marco> Iridos:
replaced-url
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1481[10:44:34] <Iridos> well, themill already answered that
debian/rules
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1482[10:44:43] <Iridos> but… that but is from 2014 and was
closed 2016
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1484[10:45:46] <Iridos> hm, interesting
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1487[10:46:25] <Iridos> but… didn't the bug kind of
state it's working without anything special and WontFix?
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1488[10:46:26] <TimurTheLame> __marco, pardon me if you already
said this, but are you on sid by any chance?
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1490[10:46:37] <TimurTheLame> __marco, can you use any other
extension in chromium?
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1497[10:49:32] <Iridos> dpkg, tell __marco about build custom
package
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1506[10:55:09] <__marco> TimurTheLame: I am using stretch, I
don't update it too oft, but I do for firefox/chrome/chromium
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1508[10:55:32] <TimurTheLame> __marco, can you install
extensions?
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1509[10:56:56] <__marco> I don't know. I try to use Firefox
as much as possible and I switch to chromium/google only to use the
google's services
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1510[10:57:05] <__marco> can you name just one?
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1514[10:57:51] <TimurTheLame> __marco,
replaced-url
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1515[10:57:52] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1516[10:58:04] <dionysus69> i have no iptables installed
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1517[10:58:05] <TimurTheLame> __marco, tried chromium
--enable-remote-extensions?
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1519[10:58:10] <dionysus69> does that mean i dont have firewall
at all
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1520[10:58:10] <dionysus69> ?
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1522[10:58:41] <TimurTheLame> __marco, don't know if it
applies to stretch as well, but on sid I had to make a little script
run chromium with that flag in order to use extensions X_X
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1524[10:59:43] <__marco> TimurTheLame: you are right, the
Extension entry in the menu is disabled
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1525[10:59:54] <TimurTheLame> __marco, maybe Google Hangouts is a
Chromium extension?
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1526[11:00:11] <__marco> It is a plugin, but I'll give it a
try
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1527[11:00:24] <TimurTheLame> __marco,
replaced-url
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1530[11:02:53] <TimurTheLame> __marco, managed to install it?
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1534[11:05:28] <__marco> TimurTheLame: not yet. Hangouts *works*
in chromium, but I cannot share the screen
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1535[11:05:41] <__marco> I click on the share button and nothing
happens
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1536[11:06:31] <__marco> I try to install that extension but very
unlikely something change
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1538[11:07:24] <__marco> TimurTheLame: I cannot install it:
installation is not enabled
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1539[11:07:48] <TimurTheLame> __marco, I would personally delete
~/.config/chromium and run chromium again with the
--enable-remote-extensions argument
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1543[11:08:47] <__marco> TimurTheLame: I used that switch. I try
to remove the config dir
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1544[11:08:49] <TimurTheLame> __marco, I had a similar problem to
yours when I tried to sync my chromium's extensions with my
google account's and if I didn't do it with a clean
.config/chromium, it wouldn't work
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1545[11:09:08] <TimurTheLame> __marco, BE CAREFUL THAT IT
CONTAINS PERSONAL STUFF
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1546[11:09:16] <TimurTheLame> __marco, forgot to mention this :D
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1548[11:09:37] <TimurTheLame> __marco, I assumed nothing
important would be in your chromium atm since you said that you had
no extensions on it
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1550[11:10:00] <__marco> TimurTheLame: don't worry, I am
very careful with rm
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1551[11:10:14] <__marco> I just renamed it
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1554[11:11:17] <__marco> TimurTheLame: right, the extensions item
in the menu is now enabled. previously it was not, even with the
--enable-blabla switch
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1557[11:12:27] <__marco> TimurTheLame: but the share screen still
does not work
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1559[11:12:36] <TimurTheLame> __marco, hmm
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1560[11:13:54] <__marco> TimurTheLame: Iridos thank you for
looking on this, but I cannot dedicate more time on this
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1561[11:13:55] <TimurTheLame> __marco, I wouldn't be
surprised if some FSF nut maintaining the package didn't
compile with that feature if they had the gal to disable extensions
by default
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1562[11:14:18] <TimurTheLame> __marco, np
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1568[11:16:00] <__marco> I personally stopped to fighting against
those people. Too bad that I cannot use Firefox/chromium, I still
continue to use google-chrome
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1571[11:16:21] <__marco> with firefox was the same story,
different actors
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1574[11:17:34] <__marco> I have to use Pulse-something to log in
a vpn and used to do it with firefox. Now the java plugin is not
anymore supported and I have to use IE
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1577[11:17:42] <yang> Which partition type needs to be selected
for Windows vfat -
replaced-url
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1578[11:17:46] <__marco> or edge or how it is called
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1582[11:18:33] <colo-work> is there a package in Debian that
implements a server for the sntp protocol?
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1583[11:18:41] <__marco> I have to go. Bye
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1584[11:18:43] <colo-work> (used in networking gear)
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1585[11:19:33] <TimurTheLame> __marco, later
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1588[11:20:31] <petn-randall> colo-work: Doesn't look like
there are such packages. Your gear *only* support sntp?
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1590[11:20:43] <colo-work> petn-randall, apparently, yes
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1593[11:21:26] <TimurTheLame> __marco, if you're still
interested, here's the ./debian/rules of the chromium stretch
package with google hangouts disabled
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1596[11:22:20] <rgr> two newly installed machines. pristine
stable. enabled Xforwarding in /etc/sss/sshd_config. when I
"ssh -X othermachine" and then run, say,
"pcmanfm" the pcmanfm is actually coming up on the other
machine and not the client I am sshing in from. What obvious thing
have I forgotten?
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1597[11:22:22] <TimurTheLame> __marco,
replaced-url
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1598[11:22:29] <plasmoduck> how do I change the grub background
image when my computer boots?
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1599[11:22:38] <TimurTheLame> __marco,
enable_hangout_services_extension=false
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1600[11:23:20] <__marco> TimurTheLame: so you think to set it to
true would be enough?
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1602[11:23:26] <__marco> s/so/do/
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1603[11:23:31] <TimurTheLame> __marco, have no idea :D
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1604[11:23:35] <__marco> ahaha
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1605[11:23:38] <__marco> I will try
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1606[11:23:41] <TimurTheLame> __marco, never rebuilt a debian
package
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1607[11:23:43] <abff> what about rdate
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1608[11:23:56] <__marco> TimurTheLame: you should at least once
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1609[11:23:57] <TimurTheLame> __marco, and I just switched back
to archlinux :D
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1610[11:23:59] <abff> , rdate
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1611[11:24:04] <__marco> not a terrible experience
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1612[11:24:10] <abff> (someone make the bot do the thing)
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1613[11:24:20] <__marco> bye
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1619[11:26:37] <abff> colo-work: check out 'apt search
rdate' see if it fits the bill
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1623[11:27:07] <colo-work> I'm researching that sntp topic a
bit, and afaict so far, any ntp server should be able to speak it...
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1625[11:27:51] <archer121> Hi, I am trying to install a package
called 'matrix-synapse' from a 3rd party repository. I
added it to my sources.list, and when I try to install, it gives the
unmet dependencies error. The package requires
"pyhton-nacl" and "python-openssl", but
installing one uninstalls the other. How do I fix this?
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1626[11:28:45] <colo-work> check if the 3rd party repository you
enabled is actually advertised to work with your installed release
of Debian
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1629[11:29:39] <rgr> doh. obvious.
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1632[11:30:59] <abff> colo-work: You may want to comment out
unofficial repositories in sources.list?
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1636[11:31:46] <archer121> It says Jessie and I am running Debian
8. The package is available under / packages / sid (unstable) / net
/ matrix-synapse in debian
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1637[11:32:16] <abff> colo-work:
replaced-url
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1640[11:32:42] <Almtesh> Hi.
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1641[11:33:04] <Almtesh> I'm looking for the program that
displays system information on desktop.
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1649[11:33:57] <Almtesh> It can be configurated to display load
charts and refresh them a fixed intervals.
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1651[11:34:36] <archer121> Almtesh: try conky?
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1658[11:36:26] <TimurTheLame> Almtesh, use a desktop environment
like xfce, gnome or kde? Or a tiling WM?
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1659[11:36:37] <rgr> Almtesh: htop is good.
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1661[11:37:23] <rgr> gnome3 tiles pretty good. I've dumped
xmonad now. The integrated nature of gnome just makes it a no
brainer rather rhan running through hoops with .xinitrc.
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1662[11:37:33] <Almtesh> archer121, it's the one I was
looking for.
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1663[11:37:47] <Almtesh> TimurTheLame, it's for Mate.
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1666[11:38:14] <Almtesh> rgr, htop does not display on desktop
and is not configurable enough.
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1669[11:39:47] <TimurTheLame> Almtesh, doesn't Mate have
taskbar plugins and stuff like that?
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1670[11:40:09] <colo-work> abff, I'm not having trouble with
my packages/repos; that was archer121 :)
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1671[11:40:22] <colo-work> abff, also, rdate seems to provide the
client part of SNTP only
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1672[11:40:25] <colo-work> or am I missing something?
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1674[11:40:45] <Almtesh> TimurTheLame, actually, I allready have
something with the taskbar, but I'm looking for something else
because it's not really simple to use.
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1675[11:41:11] <Almtesh> TimurTheLame, it's to deploy on a
lot of computer to users.
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1678[11:42:23] <abff> colo-work: Nah I'd say you're
right it only claims to set the system time from a remote host, not
act as one
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1698[11:47:59] <reev> Hi how can i install
strongswan-plugin-eap-mschapv2 in debian jessie
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1699[11:48:16] <reev> I tried apt-get install
strongswan-plugin-eap-mschapv2 but it said no package
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1702[11:49:09] <Wulf> reev: libcharon-extra-plugins perhaps?
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1724[11:53:03] <brontosaurusrex> trying to compile ffmpeg on
stretch, but getting this
replaced-url
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1729[11:56:56] <reev> Wulf yeah
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1730[11:57:38] <BluesKaj> brontosaurusrex, there's no need
to compile ffmpeg for stretch
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1734[11:59:32] <BluesKaj> install it from the repos,
brontosaurusrex
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1736[12:00:07] <brontosaurusrex> BluesKaj: ok ...
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1737[12:01:02] <gerforce1> hello, i have a problem with upgrade
my debian. When i try to apt-get update. There is a error: hash sum
mismatch. What's the reason for this problem?
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1738[12:01:21] <sypher> gerforce1: Bad mirror, misbehaving
network hardware, etc.
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1739[12:01:37] <missmbob> switch mirrors, try again later
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1740[12:01:37] <Wulf> gerforce1: the nsa trying to hack you
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1744[12:03:53] <gerforce1> one mirror is :
replaced-url
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1746[12:04:32] <missmbob> !jessie sources.list
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1747[12:04:32] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
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1748[12:04:59] <missmbob> i like deb.debian.org
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1750[12:05:23] <brontosaurusrex> BluesKaj: that actually did the
trick, thanks.
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1752[12:07:15] <gerforce1> missmbob: for the security updates?
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1753[12:07:44] <missmbob> no. the bot covered that
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1754[12:08:08] <sypher> gerforce1: If the issue is coming from
the security updates mirror, just wait a bit and try again.
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1761[12:10:30] <BluesKaj> brontosaurusrex, glad to hear it :-)
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1767[12:11:54] <brontosaurusrex> so are there plans to keep
ffmpeg a bit more up-to-date in the future?
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1771[12:13:07] <gerforce1> sypher: there are three mismatches.
Two of them are from security mirror
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1775[12:13:53] <BluesKaj> brontosaurusrex, seems so, ffmpeg is
effective and finally up to date
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1780[12:16:36] <Iridos> __mar… oh werrrl
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1796[12:23:54] <topi`> whaaat, I just mkfs.ext4'd a new
filesystem onto a SD card, but when transferring that card to a
system running 3.4 kernel, it said it cannot load the journal
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1798[12:24:12] <topi`> I was eventually able to mount it,
finally, with this:
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1799[12:24:13] <topi`> mount -oro,noload /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt
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1802[12:25:56] <topi`> noload = "Don't load the journal
on mounting. "
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1803[12:26:07] <petn-randall> topi`: I'm guessing you either
ejected the card too early, or there's a hw defect. ext4
hasn't had any incompatible changes for a long time now.
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1805[12:26:39] <topi`> OK, I guess it's worth to
re'mkfs the thing
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1806[12:27:13] <topi`> /dev/mmcblk1p1 has unsupported feature(s):
metadata_csum
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1807[12:27:17] <topi`> this is what fsck.ext4 says
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1808[12:27:32] <petn-randall> topi`: Since SD cards are sometimes
really slow at writing, I'd run 'sync' before
ejecting the card. If that still produces problems, it would be
worth a try to run badblocks on it.
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1812[12:30:22] <topi`> it seems mkfs.ext4 has metadata_csum
turned ON, and that's why an old kernel such as 3.4 refuses to
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1822[12:34:28] <topi`> "It should NOT be possible for old fs
code to write to a filesystem with metadata checksums enabled. The
metadata_csum flag is implemented as a ROCOMPAT flag, which should
keep (non-malicious) old programs from messing things up."
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1824[12:34:55] <topi`> so that's why 3.4 won't work. I
wonder if this is what the package maintainer of mkfs.ext4 wants?
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1832[12:39:20] <petn-randall> topi`: I'm guessing that they
just stuck with the upstream default.
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1845[12:46:54] <topi`> yes
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1846[12:47:03] <topi`> it seems that a 3.14 kernel is able to
mount it, but 3.4 isn't
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1847[12:47:24] <topi`> I imagine there's numerous systems
still running Wheezy, and that would mean a 3.2 kernel
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1861[12:51:00] <petn-randall> topi`: I see. You can remove that
flag with tune2fs if you need to mount that filesystem writeable on
an older system.
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1863[12:52:24] <topi`> yes. But I think the users deserve to know
that nowadays, the default options are not backwards-compatible
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1864[12:52:47] <topi`> I also did read up the facts on that
option, metadata_csum and the rationale seems to be pretty good. It
can catch more errors.
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1875[12:59:52] <TheEnderDragon> i spammed the troll and trolled
the spam
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1876[12:59:56] <TheEnderDragon> and LOL, the dongs
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1877[13:00:12] <TheEnderDragon> it all smells like donkey shit
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1879[13:01:02] <TheEnderDragon> !ops | dongs
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1880[13:01:02] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: theenderdragon
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1899[13:07:01] <petn-randall> School holidays surely started
early this year.
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1906[13:10:46] <topi`> oddly enough, I cannot remove that feature
with stretch's tune2fs
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1907[13:10:50] <TheEnderDragon> !ops | niggers, i blame them for
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1908[13:10:51] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: theenderdragon
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1911[13:11:00] <TheEnderDragon> !ops heil das dritte reich
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1912[13:11:01] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: theenderdragon
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1916[13:11:02] <topi`> tune2fs: Read-only file system while
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1930[13:16:15] <JyZyXEL> debian doesn't support AMD R9 380
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1942[13:19:52] <tdn> After upgrading from Debian 7 to Debian 8, I
cannot start syslog-ng with my own config. If I use the config
provided by the package, everything works of course. But my own old
syslog-ng.conf does not work anymore. That is, if I start syslog-ng
using "service syslog-ng start", it fails. However, if I
start syslog-ng in forground, it works fine. How do I debug this?
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1946[13:21:23] <plasmoduck> How do I change the grub background
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1950[13:23:09] <g0zzy> I come to configure a printer for
Debian/Mate and can find no dialog to do that. Googling gives
nothing! How do i do it?
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1961[13:27:12] <topi`> hmm, wasn't --merged-usr supposed to
be available in debootstrap from stretch repository?
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1963[13:27:24] <topi`> I just did apt-get install -t stretch
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1969[13:28:40] <g0zzy> Surely it IS possible to use a printer in
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1971[13:29:35] <themill> topi`: which version of debootstrap did
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1978[13:32:20] <b0urnea> hello, i have a problem with find. Is
this right: find ./ -name partial -prune -o \( -name security
-print\) ?
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1979[13:32:22] <topi`> themill: debootstrap 1.0.88
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1980[13:32:41] <themill> that supports --merged-usr just fine
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1981[13:33:11] <topi`> yeah, but why doesn't it show up in
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1985[13:34:07] <b0urnea> i want to ignore the partial directory
while check other files with name security and print it out.
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1987[13:34:13] <themill> topi`: it does
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1989[13:35:01] <topi`> I need more sleep
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2001[13:38:42] <hiya> how to installl WARNING: Project ERROR:
Unknown module(s) in QT: svg
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2002[13:38:47] <hiya> svg module for QT?
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2012[13:40:34] <themill> nwe: yes, see the info in the
apt-transport-https package
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2015[13:41:42] <g0zzy> I figured out. Either Mate is a work in
progress or the Debian packaging of it is. I needed to install the
extra package system-config-printer
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2019[13:43:18] <themill> the debian installer would install that
package for you in the gnome desktop; you don't need it to
configure a printer
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2020[13:43:34] <themill> (and help for mate is in #mate not
#debian)
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2030[13:45:33] <b0urnea> hello, i have a problem with find. Is
this right: find ./ -name partial -prune -o \( -name security
-print\) ?
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2031[13:45:48] <b0urnea> i want to ignore the partial directory
while check other files with name security and print it out.
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2033[13:46:18] <themill> g0zzy: you don't get to run around
claiming that your desktop is lighter without leaving out things.
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2036[13:47:40] <g0zzy> I think perhaps they should leave X out of
the next one - that will lighten it a bit more ;)
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2048[13:52:47] <petn-randall> tdn: If it fails with your
"old" config, what error messages do you get?
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2054[13:54:59] <JyZyXEL> is there a mount option for rootfs that
can help to avoid data corruption when you expect the system to
freeze multiple times in a single day?
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2056[13:55:20] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: The journal should take
care of that.
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2057[13:55:23] <Wulf> JyZyXEL: ro
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2059[13:55:29] <petn-randall> heh :)
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2061[13:55:41] <JyZyXEL> ro might prevent the system from working
in the first place :p
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2062[13:55:55] <JyZyXEL> .zsh_history is the only file that has
been corrupted, so far, afaik.
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2063[13:56:06] <ph88^> when i try this
replaced-url
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2064[13:56:10] <JyZyXEL> 3 times it has happened today, and
i've crashed 6 times
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2065[13:56:18] <tdn> petn-randall, thats the problem. This is the
actual syslog. So there is no errors in the logs.
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2067[13:56:52] <tdn> petn-randall, and if I start syslog-ng in
the foreground and having it display internal messages in STDERR,
then it works fine with the old config and no errors are displayed.
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2068[13:57:01] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: It might have to do with
how zsh creates that file. If it deletes the old one and adds a new
one, it might be gone. truncate + append *should* in theory either
give you the old or the new contents.
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2070[13:57:10] <tdn> petn-randall, invoking in foreground with
"syslog-ng -e -F"
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2071[13:57:26] <petn-randall> tdn: You still have the systemd
journal to check.
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2072[13:57:31] <JyZyXEL> petn-randall: i always find some garbage
near the end
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2073[13:57:43] <petn-randall> tdn: 'journalctl -u
syslog-ng' should give you some meaningful output.
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2074[13:57:48] <JyZyXEL> some escape character, like 40 times
repeated
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2076[13:58:04] <JyZyXEL> delete that line and the corruption
always gets fixed enough to continue working
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2077[13:58:25] <JyZyXEL> i just hope the same doesn't happen
to any system configuration files :D
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2079[13:58:47] <tdn> petn-randall, systemd[1]: syslog-ng.service
start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start.
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2080[13:58:48] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: They'd need to be
written to in the first place for this to happen.
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2081[13:58:58] <petn-randall> tdn: No further output?
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2082[13:58:59] <tdn> petn-randall, systemd[1]: Failed to start
System Logger Daemon.
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2083[13:59:20] <tdn> petn-randall, and a lot of these:
replaced-url
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2088[14:00:31] <petn-randall> tdn: Then I'd compare the both
config files, and pay close attention to the differences. Then you
could try just adding things step-by-step to the original config
until it stops working.
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2091[14:00:52] <tdn> petn-randall, that is what I am trying to
do. However, the configs are hugely different :(
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2094[14:01:15] <tdn> petn-randall, and also, my config actually
works if I start syslog-ng in forground. This is what I do not get.
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2097[14:01:37] <tdn> petn-randall, it is like there is something
in the new config that is required for it to be run under systemd.
However, I do not see how that makes sense
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2098[14:01:39] <petn-randall> tdn: That's unfortunate. Can
you show your config?
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2099[14:02:12] <tdn> petn-randall, sure. Just a sec
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2102[14:02:49] <frosite> In Vera Crypt while trying to encrypt /
partition Vera Crypt gives: Error: You are trying to encrypt a
system partition. VeraCrypt can encrypt system partitions only under
Windows.
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2103[14:02:50] <tdn> petn-randall,
replaced-url
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2106[14:04:08] <frosite> doesnt it work to encrypt / (system
partition) in linux with Vera Crypt?
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2108[14:04:46] <nwe> themill: okey :)
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2110[14:05:16] <bezaban> frosite: I would think that means
VeraCrypt can encrypt system partitions only under windows
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2111[14:05:20] <tdn> petn-randall, do you see any problems in
that?
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2112[14:05:49] <bezaban> frosite: but you can with LUKS
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2121[14:08:52] <frosite> i would guess its the cryptsetup install
from synaptic?
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2127[14:11:41] <zykotick9> frosite: trying to encrypt / after
install might be difficult... note, setting up full disk encryption
is pretty straight forward from the debian install... good luck.
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2129[14:11:57] <tdn> frosite, do you use SSDs?
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2134[14:12:31] <tdn> frosite, if so, please take special care
when using FDE. Either ensure LUKS supports fstrim or leave som
unallocated space
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2138[14:13:41] <sypher> tdn: Why the unallocated space?
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2139[14:14:22] <tdn> sypher, because otherwise wear leveling on
the SSD will not happen and it's lifetime will be reduced
severely. I learned this the hard way.
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2141[14:14:49] <FinalX> mostly not needed on current age
ssd's anymore
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2142[14:14:57] <sypher> tdn: Isn't that what the
overprovisioned space on SSDs is for?
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2144[14:15:34] <tdn> sypher, yes, except I do not think that is
enough if you use FDE.
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2145[14:15:54] <tdn> FinalX, that's what I thought too. Just
had several SSDs die on my.
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2146[14:15:54] <sypher> tdn: Why not?
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2149[14:17:29] <tdn> sypher, I guess it is because the amount of
overprovisioned space is only enough to some "average"
user. E.g. either unencrypted storage or encrypted storage with trim
support. This is speculation on my part, as I do not know enough
about this stuff.
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2150[14:17:39] <sypher> Because the disk controller doesn't
care about FDE, or about any of the data that's being written.
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2151[14:17:51] <tdn> sypher, I only know that I experienced
several SSDs fail on me.
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2153[14:18:09] <petn-randall> tdn: I can't see anything
obvious. I'd check the NEWS file in /usr/share/doc/syslog-ng/.
My guess is something with the input, since journald only passes
things through to any syslog daemons further down.
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2155[14:19:13] <tdn> petn-randall, ok.
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2157[14:20:01] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: What log does
journald get written to?
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2158[14:20:03] <frosite> i didnt know that it didnt? work or is
as easy to encrypt full installed / system under linux like it is in
Windows
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2163[14:21:15] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: It's not
persistent normally, but it's some binary log format.
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2164[14:21:18] <frosite> ...that must do it in or its better to
do it in the installation of the distro
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2200[14:33:08] <Nathan> is this the main #debian server?
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irc.oftc.net) is
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2273[14:53:02] <bezaban> ,v apt
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2274[14:53:03] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security:
0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4;
jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4~rc2; sid: 1.4~rc2
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2275[14:53:05] <JyZyXEL> how do i get a list of files for .deb
package that hasn't been installed?
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2277[14:53:18] <JyZyXEL> like 'dpkg -L' does
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2280[14:55:09] <bezaban> JyZyXEL: apt-file list
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2289[14:57:32] <JyZyXEL> returns nothing for apt-file list
firmware-amd-graphics
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2293[14:58:15] <bezaban> JyZyXEL: did you update the cache as it
told you when you installed it?: )
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2294[14:58:44] <bezaban> oh wait, I seem to be getting the same
:)
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2295[14:59:16] <bezaban> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
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2296[14:59:17] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 --
jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free:
20161130-2; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2
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2298[14:59:27] <JyZyXEL> oh there is a backports
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2299[14:59:45] <bezaban> yeah
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2300[14:59:50] <bezaban> only in backports
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2301[15:00:10] <JyZyXEL> it conflicts with the
firmware-linux-nonfree
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2303[15:01:26] <JyZyXEL> looks like the
"firmware-amd-graphics" has the required
firmware/amdgpu/tonga_* that i require
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2335[15:13:23] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: It should be possible to
manually download, unpack, and place the files.
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2340[15:14:13] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins_wk: yeah, i noticed when
"locate" found the necessary files from under a stretch
chroot :P
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2341[15:14:26] <JyZyXEL> simply copied them over
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2344[15:16:03] <ghormoon> hi, anyone using zfs from
jessie-backports with backported kernel (4.9)? the module
doesn't build, I've found out some parameters to configure
can fix that. Is that the right way, to modify somehow how dkms
builds that?
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2352[15:18:53] <jhutchins_wk> ghormoon: Did you get
build-essential from backports? (I don't know if that's
needed, just that it's there.)
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2355[15:19:21] <ghormoon> jhutchins_wk: I've just found out
there's newer version of the zfs package also which didn't
update, I've missed something
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2356[15:19:29] <ghormoon> let's see in few minutes if it
fails too
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2363[15:22:13] <wreck_boo> i have been trying to build a custom
kernel on a 32bit debian operating system but it says "Exec
format error"
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2364[15:22:13] <wreck_boo> any help please
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2366[15:23:22] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: Why are you building
your own kernel?
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2368[15:24:01] <wreck_boo> some reasons i wana add some more
features and more module support
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2369[15:24:07] <wreck_boo> any HELP?
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2373[15:25:46] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: That can be solved with
DKMS, you don't need to compile your own kernel for that.
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2375[15:26:11] <wreck_boo> what is DKMS?
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2376[15:26:17] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: I'm guessing that
you accidentally disabled ELF support, or compiled for the wrong
arch? Where exactly did you get that error?
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2377[15:26:20] <petn-randall> !dkms
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2378[15:26:20] <dpkg> Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a
framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages
using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux
versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present
(these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are
installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module
build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
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2383[15:27:25] <wreck_boo> am building a kernel for android on
debian..........
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2385[15:27:39] <wreck_boo> how is that possible using dkms?
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2389[15:28:15] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: That's why I asked
you about why you're building a kernel. If it was for Debian,
DKMS would have helped here.
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2390[15:28:30] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: Where are you getting
this error? How are you building the kernel?
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2391[15:28:43] <wreck_boo> at the make command\
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2394[15:29:23] <wreck_boo> is there any way i can run x86_64
binaries on x86?
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2400[15:30:21] <petn-randall> ...
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2405[15:30:59] <jelly> wreck_boo: on a cpu that does not support
x86_64 instruction set? Only by way of full emulation.
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2406[15:31:25] <jhutchins_wk> wreck_boo: A VM _might_ work.
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2407[15:31:34] <wreck_boo> jelly: how
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2408[15:31:44] <jelly> wreck_boo: qemu can do it, expect it to be
10-100 times slower than native
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2409[15:31:48] <petn-randall> !goal
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2410[15:31:48] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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2411[15:32:08] <wreck_boo> am already running on a 32bit debian
vm
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2425[15:33:08] <wreck_boo> dpkg: am trying to build a kernel on
android but is seems the toolchain is only supported for 64bit pc
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2426[15:33:08] <dpkg> wreck_boo: that's too long
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2428[15:33:52] <jelly> wreck_boo: get a 64bit machine, or a
native toolchain for your system
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2429[15:34:12] <wreck_boo> how can i then get the native
toolchain jelly
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2430[15:34:14] <jelly> emulated compilers are going to be a pain
in more ways than one
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2433[15:34:26] <jelly> wreck_boo: how did you get the 64bit one?
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2434[15:34:51] <wreck_boo> jelly: via aosp website
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2435[15:35:18] <jelly> wreck_boo: ask them, probably, or ask in
#android ?
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2436[15:35:36] <wreck_boo> ok
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2437[15:35:48] <jelly> is your host really incapable of 64bit?
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2438[15:36:00] <wreck_boo> jelly: yea
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2439[15:36:06] <wreck_boo> 32bit debian
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2441[15:36:19] <jelly> wreck_boo: you said that 32bit debian was
a VM
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2443[15:36:33] <jelly> I'm asking about the host that VM
runs on.
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2444[15:36:50] <wreck_boo> the the host is also 32bit windows
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2446[15:37:13] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: On a 32bit CPU?
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2447[15:37:21] <jelly> wreck_boo: boot a live 64bit linux
instead, dunno?
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2463[15:40:05] <wreck_boo> jelly: can i run any other emulator
apart from qemu
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2466[15:40:19] <wreck_boo> that would emulate 64bit?
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2467[15:40:25] <wreck_boo> do u knw any?
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2471[15:41:15] <Glooomy> Hi :)
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2474[15:42:22] <wreck_boo> anybody?
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2475[15:42:36] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: We already told you how
to fix your problem, and jelly already told you why emulating 64bit
is a bag of problems.
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2478[15:42:54] <Glooomy> My residence's network is
administered through a debian server. There are some security
cameras connected to it and I'm trying to figure out how to
configure them, any idea where I could look?
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2484[15:43:36] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: And the more you ignore
questions directed to you regarding your problem, the more likely it
will be that no one is willing to help you.
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2485[15:43:36] <wreck_boo> petn-randall: i dint get any clear
solution...
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2487[15:44:10] <towo^work> sure you get
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2489[15:44:19] <towo^work> boot or install a 64bit linux
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2490[15:44:22] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: The answer was pretty
clear: "15:35 < jelly > wreck_boo: ask them, probably, or
ask in #android ?"
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2491[15:44:41] <petn-randall> wreck_boo: Or that. You already got
two answers then.
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2493[15:44:53] <wreck_boo> petn-randall: OK!
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2494[15:45:07] <Glooomy> (The previous network administrator has
gone awol and I'm the only one here with some experience with
these things so I was asked if I could do some modifications but
have no idea where to look for... there are some entries in iptables
concerning the cameras but that's all I could find)
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2499[15:46:49] <sypher> Glooomy: I don't know that
you're going to get much help here. We -may- be able to assist
with the Debian side. The cameras, not so much.
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2501[15:48:09] <Glooomy> sypher where would you look for
configuration fils for this sort of hardware? The whole thing is
working so there must be some configuration somewhere but I
can't find anything
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2528[15:54:07] <jhutchins_wk> Glooomy: A lot depends on the
camera hardware (and software). There really aren't any
standards for such things. Are they connecting via networking or
coax?
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2529[15:54:33] <jhutchins_wk> !webcam
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2530[15:54:33] <dpkg> For webcam device support in Debian, ask me
about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>,
<ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>,
<w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>.
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2535[15:54:50] <Glooomy> jhutchins_wk Networking, iirc
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2537[15:55:16] <jhutchins_wk> Glooomy: The webcam stuff assumes a
wired connection, usb or something.
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2538[15:55:22] <OnceMe> is systemctl supported on debian jessie?
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2540[15:55:32] <petn-randall> OnceMe: yes
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2541[15:55:36] <fishsticks> !ldvb
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2542[15:55:40] <fishsticks> :(
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2543[15:55:59] <OnceMe> petn-randall: why does systemctl enable
supervisor didnt bring supervisor started on machine reboot?
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2545[15:56:32] <jhutchins_wk> Glooomy: I'd start by tracking
down manufacturer and model. Use the usual diagnostic tools to see
what's running on the sytem. If it's publishing a web
page, read the configuration and content files for the webserver.
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2547[15:56:50] <petn-randall> OnceMe: Does the systemd unit
'supervisor' exist? Can you start it via 'systemctl
start supervisor'?
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2548[15:56:51] <jhutchins_wk> Glooomy: Third party software is
often installed under /opt
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2549[15:57:02] <petn-randall> OnceMe: Did you check the status
with 'systemctl status supervisor'?
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2550[15:57:03] <Glooomy> jhutchins_wk Thanks for the tips. What w
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2552[15:57:19] <Glooomy> * what do you call usual diagnostic
tools?
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2554[15:57:50] <jhutchins_wk> top, ps, lsof, netstat
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2556[15:58:08] <Glooomy> right. Will start there. thanks :)
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2557[15:58:13] <jhutchins_wk> chkconfig --list
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2566[16:01:04] <OnceMe> petn-randall: yes
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2569[16:01:36] <OnceMe> systemctl status supervisor
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2570[16:01:42] <OnceMe> gives Active (running)
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2571[16:02:20] <petn-randall> OnceMe: Then I guess it did start
on machine reboot.
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2575[16:03:33] <SerajewelKS> is there a way with the systemd
version in jessie to delay auto-mounting of an fstab entry until
after the network is up? trying to automount s3fs at boot causes a
panic into recovery mode because a "required" filesystem
couldn't be mounted.
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2579[16:04:02] <SerajewelKS> IIRC the _netdev mechanism is newer
than the systemd version in jessie
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2580[16:04:11] <Glooomy> Isn't runlevel 5 supposed to be for
when there is a display manager ? If my server is in runlevel 5 does
it mean there is some way I can get a graphical interface to it?
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2583[16:04:39] <sypher> Glooomy: That's a Red Hat-ism.
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2584[16:05:00] <Glooomy> So not the same for debian?
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2585[16:05:01] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: if you're using
systemd, there aren't really even runlevels
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2586[16:05:11] <sypher> Glooomy: Also that. ^
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2587[16:05:16] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: and you'd only get a
display manager if you have one installed
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2590[16:06:08] <SerajewelKS> systemd has "targets".
display managers will usually declare wanted-by multi-user.target,
which means basically that booting into the multi-user target (the
default) will start the display manager automatically.
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2591[16:06:21] <SerajewelKS> but, of course, if you don't
have a display manager installed, you're not going to be
running a display manager
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2592[16:06:46] <Glooomy> SerajewelKS Well, if I type runlevel I
get N 5 ?
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2594[16:07:07] <OnceMe> ok it works now
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2595[16:07:09] <OnceMe> hmm
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2596[16:07:19] <OnceMe> nginx is still in startup
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2597[16:07:30] <OnceMe> but would it hurt if I make sure its in
startup that I do one more time systectl enable nginx?
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2598[16:07:32] <sypher> Glooomy: Are you on Jessie?
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2599[16:07:39] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: so do i
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2600[16:07:41] <OnceMe> its going to overwrite current config or?
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2602[16:08:05] <Glooomy> sypher No idea what that is :-)
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2603[16:08:08] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: there is some compatibility
layer on top of systemd providing sysv-initd-like functionality
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2605[16:08:19] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: what happens if you run
systemctl
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2607[16:08:32] <Glooomy> Never used debian before, just trying to
figure out how this whole configuration is working
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2609[16:08:48] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: jessie is the current
stable release of debian
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2610[16:09:07] <SerajewelKS> in other words, the 8.x series of
releases
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2611[16:09:35] <Glooomy> SerajewelKS I get a long table with
headers UNIT, LOAD, ...
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2612[16:09:47] <skrite> hey all, i make an sqldump of our db and
update the file (tar.gz) to another machine. the file is huge (32
GIG) and clogs up the network when i send it sftp. any ideas?
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2613[16:09:57] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: so you're using
systemd, and the concept of a runlevel is a bit of an illusion
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2614[16:10:10] <SerajewelKS> skrite: what is your question?
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2616[16:11:29] <skrite> SerajewelKS, well, just looking for a
better solution to move a giant file from one box to another without
locking up the bandwidth of the network
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2617[16:11:36] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: my understanding is that
systemd allows the concept of a runlevel and maps it onto a
particular target
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2618[16:11:45] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: so runlevel 5 is mapped to
multi-user.target, i think
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2620[16:12:03] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: the likely explanation for
not having a display manager running is that you never installed one
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2623[16:12:29] <alpharray__> Hello
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2624[16:12:37] <Glooomy> I have debian 8u3, apparently
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2625[16:12:39] <alpharray__> I have a big problem for which I
need help
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2626[16:12:46] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: _netdev is definitely
older than systemd.
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2627[16:12:50] <SerajewelKS> skrite: do it outside of the network
then, use removable media
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2628[16:12:56] <alpharray__> I accidentally deleted all my users
and don't know how to login into the system
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2629[16:13:23] <alpharray__> I have the Not listed?
functionallity but can't get in, what should I do?
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2630[16:13:24] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: huh, weird. maybe
there was some bug related to it then. i just remember last time i
tried it, the system still went into panic at boot.
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2632[16:13:33] <ggff8> Alpharray: su
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2633[16:13:34] <bezaban> alpharray__: how exactly did you do
that?
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2634[16:13:59] <alpharray__> I was removing a user and when the
prompt asked delete all files I clicked
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2635[16:14:01] <jhutchins_wk> skrite: There are tools that will
throttle the transfer. It will be slower, but won't cause
network problems.
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2636[16:14:08] <alpharray__> It asked again and it was for my
user
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2637[16:14:12] <jhutchins_wk> skrite: You can also do a physical
transfer.
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2638[16:14:18] <alpharray__> I am panicing
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2639[16:14:27] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: which files did you
delete?
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2640[16:14:39] <alpharray__> I deleted the users
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2641[16:14:41] <bezaban> alpharray__: so, what files and what
were you using to do that? did you try logging in as the root user?
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2642[16:14:46] <alpharray__> I don't have a user in the
machine
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2647[16:15:28] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: so you deleted
/etc/passwd?
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2648[16:15:29] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: Do you mean you
removed the home directories, or did you do something to the shadow
password system?
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2649[16:15:31] <skrite> jhutchins_wk, yes, i could do a physical
transfer and sneakernet this around on a large usb, but I wanted a
way to automate this in cron every week
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2651[16:15:43] <alpharray__> I removed the home directories I
think
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2652[16:15:46] <skrite> jhutchins_wk, what kind of tools will
throttle sftp?
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2653[16:15:52] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: then the users still
exist, but all of their data is gone
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2654[16:15:54] <alpharray__> I went to settings an press the
remove user button
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2655[16:16:13] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: log in as root and look
in /home to see what's there
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2656[16:16:18] <ggff8> What de?
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2657[16:16:22] <jhutchins_wk> skrite: Depends on what
server/client you are using. I'm pretty rsync has throttling
options.
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2659[16:16:41] <alpharray__> SerajewelKS: users don't seem
to exist anymore
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2660[16:16:48] <skrite> jhutchins_wk, ah, i will look into that.
that might be just the ticket. thanks !!
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2661[16:16:48] <alpharray__> I can't login as them
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2662[16:16:58] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: boot to single user
mode.
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2663[16:17:11] <alpharray__> How is that done?
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2665[16:17:19] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: No doubt you're
trying to do this in the GUI?
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2666[16:17:26] <alpharray__> I don't remember the root
password, I ran everything from sudo
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2667[16:17:35] <alpharray__> jhutchins_wk: yes
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2668[16:17:42] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: Of course you have no
backup.
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2669[16:17:48] <alpharray__> jhutchins_wk: of course
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2671[16:17:57] <alpharray__> jhutchins_wk: my main problem at the
moment is getting into the machine
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2672[16:17:58] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: the GUI tool may have
removed the entries in /etc/passwd as well. you may have to boot the
recovery mode of the installer to set root's password.
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2675[16:18:19] <alpharray__> SerajewelKS: how is that done?
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2676[16:18:25] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: Don't try to do
this with the GUI.
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2677[16:18:26] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: if you run recovery
mode and chroot into your system, you can run passwd as root to set
root's password to something else
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2678[16:18:27] <alpharray__> I have lost a bunch of important
data
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2679[16:18:32] <alpharray__> But that doens't matter
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2680[16:18:37] <alpharray__> I jsut need to get in asap
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2681[16:18:49] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: Don't try to do
this with the GUI.
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2683[16:18:59] <alpharray__> Alright
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2685[16:19:06] <alpharray__> How can I don't go into guis
mode?
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2686[16:19:06] <SerajewelKS> and create a backup plan tonight
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2688[16:19:13] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: SerajewelKS's
suggestion is a pretty good method.
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2689[16:19:28] <alpharray__> I think I am going into recovery
mode
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2690[16:19:36] <alpharray__> Yes, I will write that down
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2691[16:19:40] <alpharray__> First thing is getting in
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2693[16:19:48] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: to elaborate, the
debian installer CD has a recovery mode that you can use to mount
the existing system and chroot into it
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2694[16:19:49] <alpharray__> And next is getting as much data
from memory as I can
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2695[16:20:04] <alpharray__> SerajewelKS: I think I am getting
into recovery mode
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2696[16:20:10] <alpharray__> Not quite sure though
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2697[16:20:17] <alpharray__> Yes!
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2699[16:20:21] <alpharray__> Welcome to rescue mode!
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2700[16:20:34] <SerajewelKS> i mean at this point if the box is
hosed, you could just throw a new HDD in, install debian to that,
and go through the data on your old system disk from there
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2701[16:20:39] <ggff8> Alpharray: no offense but sounds like you
have no termial experience. Quickest way?....plug hdd into another
computer and recover your files from that machine
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2702[16:20:43] <alpharray__> If you don't mind I am going to
need guiding from here
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2703[16:20:47] <SerajewelKS> there are a few options how to
proceed depending on what you need to do
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2704[16:21:09] <alpharray__> SerajewelKS: Is it possible to get
my data back?
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2705[16:21:21] <alpharray__> SerajewelKS: asuming no, how can I
just create a new user?
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2707[16:21:32] <ggff8> Alphaarray: which data?
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2708[16:21:37] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: We need to figure out
what you actually did first.
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2709[16:21:45] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: if you deleted it,
maybe and maybe not
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2712[16:21:58] <alpharray__> Alright
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2714[16:22:03] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: I think deleting $HOME
would prevent a GUI login, but not a console one.
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2715[16:22:08] <alpharray__> I went to settings and clicked the
users button
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2716[16:22:20] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray__: If you just deleted
the users from the password system, you can recover pretty easily.
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2717[16:22:26] <alpharray__> From there I kicked a little minus
on the user and hit delete all files
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2719[16:22:31] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: if you are worried
about the data then you should immediately shut down the machine and
attach the drive(s) to another, working linux machine, and mount
them READ-ONLY and look around
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2722[16:22:58] <SerajewelKS> if you truly did delete data, then
having the filesystem mounted read-write can destroy whatever might
be left of the data
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2723[16:23:03] <alpharray__> SerajewelKS: I am worried about the
data but it is not my biggest worry at the moment
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2724[16:23:15] <alpharray__> Wait
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2725[16:23:29] <jhutchins_wk> This is why GUIs are dangerous, and
the argument that it makes it possible to administer a system
without learning the CLI is bogus, you are doing things you
don't understand.
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2726[16:23:30] <alpharray__> Give root password for maintenance
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2727[16:23:33] <alpharray__> What should I do?
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2729[16:23:38] <alpharray__> It says incorrect login
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2730[16:23:43] <Glooomy> sorry, was afk. I'm actually
connected to it by ssh, how do I check if there's a display
manager running ? Can I just start a DM on my local machine through
ssh? (I'm reading contradicting information online)
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2732[16:24:17] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: recovery mode of the
installer is different from recovery mode of your existing system
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2733[16:24:24] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: you need the installer
CD to do this
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2735[16:24:37] <alpharray__> I had a ctrl-d to continue
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2736[16:24:49] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: the recovery mode on
the system itself assumes you know the root password. it would be a
bit silly if you could get root privileges on the system just by
rebooting the system and selecting a different entry in grub.
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2737[16:24:57] <jhutchins_wk> Glooomy: Probably want to stay away
from the GUI for what you're doing.
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2738[16:25:15] <jhutchins_wk> !forgot root password
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2739[16:25:15] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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2740[16:25:25] <alpharray__> SerajewelKS: Let me see what I can
do, I am running everything from a Mac (Hardware) as I changed the
operating system a long time ago
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2741[16:25:34] <alpharray__> SerajewelKS: Lets see what there is
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2742[16:25:38] <SerajewelKS> Glooomy: you could run a VNC X
server and tunnel over ssh... but it general using displays remotely
is a bit silly on linux
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2743[16:25:50] <alpharray__> That didn't seem to have worked
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2744[16:25:53] <Glooomy> jhutchins_wk It's not necessarily
for the webcam thing, I'm just trying to figure out how the
whole setup is (and get comfy with debian along the way ;))
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2745[16:25:56] <alpharray__> I have the same entry as before
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2747[16:26:15] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: of course it
didn't work, you're not doing what we're telling you
to. you're running off doing whatever you think it means
instead of doing what it actually means.
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2748[16:26:17] <jhutchins_wk> !handbook
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2749[16:26:17] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is
at
replaced-url
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2750[16:26:23] <supperUSER> ls
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2752[16:26:30] <alpharray__> SerajewelKS: I am sorry
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2753[16:26:33] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: if you're not
going to listen then there's little incentive for me to
continue trying to assist
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2754[16:26:35] <alpharray__> I am really nerveous and panicing
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2755[16:26:39] <alpharray__> Let me calm down
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2756[16:26:49] <alpharray__> Ok, sorry once again
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2757[16:26:50] <SerajewelKS> alpharray__: go for a quick five
minute walk and come back focused
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2759[16:27:02] <alpharray__> Alright
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2760[16:27:05] <alpharray__> Done leave please
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2761[16:27:14] * jhutchins_wk takes SerajewelKS's advice.
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2770[16:28:59] <ggff8> I wish people would backup data that is so
important to them
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2771[16:29:10] <ggff8> Seems common sense to me
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2773[16:29:26] <SerajewelKS> or entire systems, if they are that
critical
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2777[16:29:56] <sypher> Just use RAID, right?
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2778[16:29:58] * sypher ducks.
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2782[16:30:52] <ggff8> You dont bury family photos in the ground
if theyre important to you
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2783[16:31:11] <SerajewelKS> that reminds me, i need to rework my
owncloud server backup scripts
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2784[16:31:21] <SerajewelKS> speaking of family photos :>
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2786[16:32:09] <teraflops> we should hot help people to recover
data, they should have backups.
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2787[16:32:23] <petn-randall> sypher: I've just got my data
in "the cloud", it should be safe, right?
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2788[16:32:29] <teraflops> lol
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2789[16:32:49] <petn-randall> Especially clicking around as root
is a mortal sin.
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2790[16:32:50] <teraflops> petn-randall: at least encrypt it
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2791[16:32:56] <ggff8> Not until it 'rains'
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2792[16:33:30] <teraflops> petn-randall: also _only cloud_ is not
100% safe
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2794[16:33:47] <teraflops> consider a mega solar storm
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2796[16:33:55] <ggff8> Nothing is %100 even redundency
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2797[16:34:01] <teraflops> right
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2798[16:34:13] <SerajewelKS> there's a point where you get
diminishing returns on your expenses
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2799[16:34:35] <ggff8> You could burn data to a million dvdrs and
theorhetorically they could all somehow be destroyed
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2800[16:34:42] <SerajewelKS> as soon as you have a single
off-site backup, your returns diminish pretty dramatically on the
next redundant thing
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2801[16:34:42] <petn-randall> You could always chisel your data
into stone.
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2803[16:34:53] <teraflops> ggff8: well DVD's are a joke,
even paper is better
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2805[16:35:02] <petn-randall> this ^
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2806[16:35:08] <ggff8> Lol i like the stone idea
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2809[16:35:15] <petn-randall> DVDS don't even have a
half-life of 10 years, AFAIR.
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2813[16:35:33] <SerajewelKS> my backup plan generally involves
having a gpg private key on paper in multiple physical locations,
the passphrase split with ssss so that you need a minimum of those
physical pieces to access the key
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2815[16:35:42] <ggff8> I could just have my gf remember all my
data..she doesnt ever forget shit
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2816[16:35:46] <SerajewelKS> the use the public key to encrypt
the backups and store them on multiple, different cloud storage
providers
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2817[16:35:52] <teraflops> even having data in detached
HDD's can be lost because HDD's need to spin
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2820[16:36:02] <toruvinn> my old self-burned dvds died in like
2-3 years. by "died" i mean "appeared as empty in at
least 3 readers i tried"
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2821[16:36:17] <SerajewelKS> teraflops: i thought spinning was
bad, don't the heavier bits gradually move to the edges of the
disk? :>
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2822[16:36:24] <toruvinn> lol
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2825[16:36:46] <toruvinn> SerajewelKS, wouldn't this make
the drives defragment themselves over time nicely? ;-)
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2828[16:37:03] <toruvinn> well, at least free space
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2829[16:37:07] <han-solo> the gravity is too strong there :}
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2832[16:37:14] <ggff8> Contious backup over several media forms
is the best way to preserve data. Even thats not technically %100
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2833[16:37:23] <jhutchins_wk> ggff8: Smithsonian or LoC just
published a study on bitrot on writable disks. It's about 25%.
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2834[16:37:29] <kevr> I'd like to install debian on a ton of
usbs, but i need some packages installed beforehand, is there a
standard guide for doing this? i.e. turn a chroot into a bootable
debian install
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2836[16:37:41] <jhutchins_wk> Then there's this: Zero data
loss:
replaced-url
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2838[16:37:49] <SerajewelKS> toruvinn: the fastest way to
defragment is mkfs, after that i always get 0% fragmentation
reported
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2839[16:37:53] <kevr> basically i want to make a small debian
boot with distcc so i can live boot a distributed compile
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2842[16:37:55] <jhutchins_wk> !preseed
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2843[16:37:56] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set
answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process,
to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The
<install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding
with a full example. See
replaced-url
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2847[16:38:04] <petn-randall> kevr: Look into debootstrap, or
what jhutchins_wk said.
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2848[16:38:13] <teraflops> SerajewelKS: the absence of spinning
is just as bad and heads get demagnetized eventually
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2853[16:38:21] <kevr> so i've already gotten like 5
debootstrapped chroots
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2854[16:38:26] <kevr> that are ready to go
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2855[16:38:28] <SerajewelKS> teraflops: i know, i was being silly
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2856[16:38:34] <teraflops> ah ok
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2857[16:38:35] <jhutchins_wk> kevr: I'd just develop a
standard image and copy thay rather than running multiple installs
though.
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2861[16:38:46] <SerajewelKS> teraflops: i don't actually
think that some bits are heavier than others :P
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2862[16:38:47] <kevr> well exactly
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2864[16:38:52] <kevr> jhutchins_wk: that's what i'm
trying to do
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2865[16:38:56] <teraflops> xD
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2867[16:39:19] <SerajewelKS> kevr: are you trying to image
multiple machines at once?
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2868[16:39:22] <teraflops> SerajewelKS: sorry I misread,
it's siesta time
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2869[16:39:23] <kevr> jhutchins_wk: so i have a bunch of chroots,
all of different architecture, and id like to somehow
"package" up the chroot into a fully installed instance of
debian
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2871[16:39:37] <jhutchins_wk> kevr: Create a chroot with
debootstrap, customize, burn.
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2872[16:39:41] <kevr> jhutchins_wk: nah, i want to live boot into
a "golden" debian image that contains tools i need for
networking things
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2877[16:39:50] <kevr> can i just burn it and itll boot no
problem?
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2878[16:39:51] <alpharray_> Ok
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2879[16:39:53] <alpharray_> I am back
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2880[16:40:06] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: okay. do you have the CD
or DVD you installed debian from?
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2881[16:40:15] <alpharray_> Hm
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2885[16:40:18] <alpharray_> Maybe I do
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2886[16:40:24] <alpharray_> But as I said before
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2888[16:40:29] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: if not, download the
netinstall and burn it
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2889[16:40:30] <alpharray_> I installed deebian on a mac
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2890[16:40:31] <jhutchins_wk> kevr: You might want to have a look
at the pendrivelinux site for optimizing for iso.
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2892[16:40:37] <alpharray_> It is goign to be a pain in the ass
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2896[16:40:51] <jhutchins_wk> Ahem:
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2897[16:40:56] <jhutchins_wk> !lost root password
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2898[16:40:56] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: basically you need to
boot from the installer disc and use its rescue mode
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2901[16:41:06] <jhutchins_wk> !forgot root password
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2902[16:41:06] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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2903[16:41:13] <kevr> hm.
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2904[16:41:13] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray_: Just do that.
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2906[16:41:21] <BluesKaj> netinstall work very well, just
don't choose the graphical install
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2909[16:41:25] <SerajewelKS> hah that's even easier
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2910[16:41:32] <alpharray_> Ok
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2911[16:41:33] <SerajewelKS> i'm so used to using live CDs
to repair stuff
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2912[16:41:36] <kevr> it'd be neat if i could somehow turn a
chroot into a bootable iso
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2913[16:41:39] <kevr> so i can just dd the bitch
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2914[16:41:49] <kevr> is that what pendrivelinux does?
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2915[16:41:54] <userro> can anyone do that like whoever has
access to the computer?
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2917[16:41:58] <SerajewelKS> kevr: you might be interested in the
live-tools package
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2918[16:41:59] <jhutchins_wk> kevr: How do you think bootable
isos happen?
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2919[16:42:08] <SerajewelKS> userro: physical access is full
access
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2921[16:42:11] <kevr> live-tools sounds legit
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2922[16:42:13] <kevr> lets see
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2923[16:42:13] <jhutchins_wk> kevr: pendrivelinux has a lot of
info and tools.
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2925[16:42:20] <kevr> alright, thanks guys
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2927[16:42:23] <jhutchins_wk> !live
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2928[16:42:23] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from
replaced-url
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2929[16:42:23] <SerajewelKS> kevr: i've used live-tools to
build several custom live environments
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2930[16:42:24] <kevr> ill check out all these avenues
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2931[16:42:24] <userro> damm
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2934[16:42:49] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: So I basically need to
reinstall
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2935[16:42:52] <alpharray_> Right?
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2936[16:42:56] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: nobody ever said that
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2939[16:43:16] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: what do I have to do
then?
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2940[16:43:23] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: what is the nature of
this system exactly?
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2941[16:43:28] <SerajewelKS> home computer? work server?
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2944[16:43:43] <alpharray_> home computer
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2945[16:43:52] <SerajewelKS> okay so there isn't a deadline
per se
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2948[16:44:08] <ggff8> Alphaarray: you need to have a specific
goal before fixing the issue. Is your goal to retreive data asap or
get the system itself running
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2949[16:44:12] <alpharray_> I think I don't have the drive I
installed it from
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2951[16:44:15] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: if you boot from the
installer disc, there will be a "rescue mode" option you
can select to basically boot from the CD
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2953[16:44:26] <SerajewelKS> i mean boot a live linux environment
off of the CD, not your HDD
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2956[16:44:31] <alpharray_> ggff8: My goal is to be able to get
into my computer
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2958[16:44:44] <ggff8> Then open the case
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2961[16:44:59] <ggff8> See what im saying?
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2962[16:45:07] <alpharray_> Not really
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2963[16:45:15] <SerajewelKS> he's being literal
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2964[16:45:27] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: what are you doing at
this moment on your computer
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2967[16:45:52] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: When booting my computer
I get to chose if I want normal boot or advanced, if I hit advanced
I have a recovery mode option, is that it?
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2972[16:45:58] <n4dir> kevr: you might also want to look at
refractasnapshot
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2974[16:46:06] <alpharray_> I don't seem to have the
original drive I installed my software from
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2978[16:46:20] <n4dir> which is not a debian package, but does
the job well (easy too, and intuitive)
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2979[16:46:29] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: It was disconnected I
just connected it and now I am waiting for orders
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2980[16:46:32] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: no. but you can download
and burn the installer ISO using another computer?
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2984[16:46:42] <kevr> n4dir: thanks
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2985[16:46:45] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: you can also do what
jhutchins_wk suggested
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2987[16:46:52] <alpharray_> What was that?
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2988[16:47:13] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray_: Why are you not
following the instructions from dpkg?
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2990[16:47:27] <alpharray_> I don't know
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2992[16:48:19] <SerajewelKS> !forgot root password
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2993[16:48:19] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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2994[16:48:21] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: that ^
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2996[16:48:51] <userro> anyway to prevent that?
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2997[16:49:04] <userro> to stop people from doing it?
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2998[16:49:16] <jelly> userro: on which debian release?
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2999[16:49:18] <SerajewelKS> userro: use full volume encryption
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3001[16:49:39] <userro> Jesse
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3002[16:49:40] <alpharray_> init=/bin/bash without the quotes,
right?
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3003[16:49:42] <jelly> yeah, FDE is a possible approach
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3004[16:49:54] <SerajewelKS> that's more or less your only
option. an unencrypted system which is physically in the hands of an
adversary is as good as compromised.
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3005[16:50:10] <SerajewelKS> this is not unique to linux
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3007[16:50:24] <jhutchins_wk> userro: If someone has physical
access to your system they can do whatever they want with it, one
way or another. FDE is one possible exception, depending on how you
implement it.
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3011[16:50:38] <SerajewelKS> there's a boot CD floating
around that can reset the administrator password of any windows
NT-based system
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3013[16:50:58] <SerajewelKS> 2000/XP/vista at least, i
haven't used it since vista so it may or may not work with 8/10
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3016[16:51:18] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: what does fsck mean?
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3019[16:51:25] <SerajewelKS> which is why i say physical access =
full access. i should quality that i mean unrestricted physical
access.
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3021[16:51:31] <userro> thanks, good to know
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3022[16:51:35] <n4dir> SerajewelKS: ophcrack ?
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3023[16:51:35] <SerajewelKS> obviously a kiosk at the mall is
probably relatively safe if security is paying attention
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3024[16:51:39] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray_: File system check.
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3026[16:51:49] <alpharray_> How is that done
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3027[16:51:51] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: basically type
"fsck /" once you get to a shell
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3029[16:52:02] <SerajewelKS> erm it's the device node
isn't it
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3037[16:52:45] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: I think you can use
the mountpoint if it's ro.
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3038[16:52:47] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: type "cat
/proc/mounts" and look for a line with a single "/"
in the second field. there may be more than one.
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3044[16:53:04] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: interesting, TIL
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3047[16:53:20] <SerajewelKS> so it can. it's even documented
in the manpage. imagine that.
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3049[16:53:27] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: so nevermind, "fsck
/" should work
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3050[16:53:44] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: let me first see if I
get a shell
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3051[16:53:55] <alpharray_> !forgot root password
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3052[16:53:55] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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3055[16:54:33] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: just do each thing one
step at a time. don't focus on the next step, focus on the
current step.
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3056[16:54:46] <alpharray_> Ok
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3058[16:55:09] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: Thanks for your time,
you can't imagine how much I appreciate this
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3060[16:56:15] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: I am in the grup command
line and nothing happens when I hit e
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3064[16:56:55] <SerajewelKS> you are looking at a screen that
contains grub menu options?
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3067[16:57:48] <SerajewelKS> or are you looking at a screen with
a grub prompt "grub>"
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3068[16:57:49] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: I am looking at a screen
that has a grub command line link grub>
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3070[16:57:57] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: then you went too far,
reboot
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3072[16:58:06] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: basically as soon as you
see the grub menu, press e
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3073[16:58:11] <alpharray_> ok
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3077[16:58:35] <SerajewelKS> you should get the grub> prompt
again but it will be prefilled with a bunch of text
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3078[16:58:49] <alpharray_> Ok
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3080[16:59:01] <alpharray_> I have written the init bash thing
after pressing e
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3082[16:59:07] <SerajewelKS> then press enter
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3084[16:59:17] <SerajewelKS> you should eventually get to a
prompt that is a single #
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3085[16:59:25] <alpharray_> Pressing enter just adds a new line
on that same file
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3093[16:59:55] <alpharray_> !forgot root password
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3094[16:59:56] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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3099[17:00:53] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: I have F2 for a command
line ESC to discard changes TAB lists completions F10 to boot
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3100[17:01:01] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: F10
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3106[17:02:12] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: it seems to be booting
as usual
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3108[17:02:19] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray_: Cut and paste that to
something, or use /msg dpkg forgot root password to get it in a
separate window.
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3109[17:02:33] <alpharray_> Ok, sorry jhutchins_wk
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3111[17:02:44] <jelly> ,v znc
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3112[17:02:46] <judd> Package: znc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.206-2;
jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-backports: 1.6.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.6.4-1+b1;
stretch: 1.6.4-1+b1
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3113[17:02:48] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray_: No worries, just
expanding our skills.
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3114[17:02:54] <alpharray_> :D
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3115[17:02:55] <jhutchins_wk> s/our/your/
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3118[17:03:18] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: it didn't work
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3119[17:03:23] <alpharray_> I get a GUI screen like always
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3120[17:03:35] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: then the init=
didn't take or you didn't add it right or something else
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3121[17:04:02] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: I wrote exactly what it
said
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3123[17:04:17] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: Let me restart
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3124[17:04:27] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: to explain what is going
on, the init binary is the one that takes care of booting your
system by mounting filesystems, starting services, etc.
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3125[17:04:37] <n4dir> if you use a liveCD (or if you have
dualboot, the other distro) you got the advantage of being able to
copy and paste, etc.
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3126[17:04:57] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: with init=/bin/sh we are
telling the kernel to use a shell as the init process, which
basically means that instead of starting your system's
services, you get dropped to a root shell where you can do anything
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3127[17:05:38] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: ok
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3128[17:06:14] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: The frist thing I see in
this file is setparams "Debian GNU/Linux"
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3129[17:06:19] <alpharray_> That is correct, right?
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3132[17:06:41] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: one sec let me look at
my grub menu, it's been awhile since i've fiddled too much
with the boot process
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3135[17:07:04] <alpharray_> alright, thanks once again
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3137[17:07:07] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: you're looking for
the line that starts with "linux"
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3141[17:07:32] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: it should look something
like "linux /boot/vmlinuz-VERSION root=/dev/SOMETHING"
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3142[17:07:39] <alpharray_> Yeah
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3143[17:07:43] <alpharray_> I have that line
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3144[17:07:46] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: add the init clause to
the end of that line
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3145[17:07:50] <SerajewelKS> then press F10
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3146[17:08:00] <alpharray_> I have a quiet argument at the end of
that file
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3148[17:08:05] <alpharray_> THat is correct, right?
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3149[17:08:06] <SerajewelKS> that's okay
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3150[17:08:25] <SerajewelKS> leave everything else alone, just
add the init=/bin/sh clause and press F10
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3152[17:08:41] <alpharray_> Ok
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3154[17:08:46] <alpharray_> I did exactly what you said
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3155[17:08:48] <SerajewelKS> you CAN remove the quiet clause if
you want more noise from the kernel but it won't hurt anything
to leave it there
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3156[17:09:04] <alpharray_> YES
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3158[17:09:13] <alpharray_> I have the # prompt
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3159[17:09:25] <SerajewelKS> okay now run "fsck /"
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3160[17:09:41] <alpharray_> done
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3162[17:09:50] <SerajewelKS> then let's continue the process
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3164[17:09:53] <SerajewelKS> !forgot root password
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3165[17:09:53] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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3167[17:10:13] <SerajewelKS> run the commands given in steps 3-6
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3168[17:10:17] <alpharray_> ok
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3172[17:10:58] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just installed pulseaudio
for Firefox 52 but audio is only coming out the headphone jack, not
the main speakers on my laptop when I pull out the headphones. This
was not an issue with esound before. Any ideas on what I can check?
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3175[17:11:44] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: I have done everything
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3176[17:11:53] <alpharray_> Until 6
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3178[17:12:07] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: fuck
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3180[17:12:11] <alpharray_> I didn't see the passwd root
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3181[17:12:20] <SerajewelKS> okay, start from step 3 again
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3182[17:12:25] <alpharray_> Yeah
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3183[17:12:31] <SerajewelKS> you only did steps 3 and 5?
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3184[17:12:34] <alpharray_> This is going to be a long day
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3185[17:12:40] <alpharray_> and 6
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3186[17:12:46] <SerajewelKS> oh heh
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3187[17:12:49] <SerajewelKS> yeah start over then
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3189[17:12:56] <SerajewelKS> you can skip step 2 (fsck) this time
though
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3192[17:13:15] <alpharray_> Will it hurt to do it again?
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3193[17:13:19] <SerajewelKS> no
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3194[17:13:28] <SerajewelKS> it won't help anything
particularly either
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3195[17:13:40] <ggff8> Most days are long days when learning
gnu/linux
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3196[17:13:41] <SerajewelKS> unless your root filesystem got
damaged in the last two minutes
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3199[17:14:14] <jhutchins_wk> Besides which, systemd always does
a disk check.
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3200[17:14:20] <SerajewelKS> fsck is just a filesystem integrity
check. like "scan disk" on windows.
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3206[17:14:48] <alpharray_> I think I did everything
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3208[17:14:56] <jhutchins_wk> I'm not sure why they included
that in the procedure, but like you said, doesn't hurt.
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3209[17:15:02] <alpharray_> Lets see if it works
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3213[17:15:23] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: it makes sense to me
that it's a good idea to do before remounting / rw
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3214[17:15:28] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: Thank you so much for
everything, once again
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3215[17:15:31] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: np
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3217[17:15:40] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: when you reboot to the
GUI, DO NOT LOG IN as root
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3218[17:15:42] <alpharray_> I love freenode too much
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3220[17:15:52] <alpharray_> ok
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3221[17:16:02] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: first press CTRL+ALT+F1,
which will take you away from the GUI and to a console login. enter
the root credentials there instead.
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3223[17:16:09] <SerajewelKS> you will get a similar shell prompt
ending in #
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3224[17:16:16] <alpharray_> Wait
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3225[17:16:23] <alpharray_> I will let you know when the GUI pops
up
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3226[17:16:32] <alpharray_> So we are in the same page
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3227[17:16:34] <alpharray_> Here it is
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3228[17:16:46] <alpharray_> debian login:
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3229[17:16:52] <alpharray_> root creds right?
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3230[17:16:52] <doubledutch> alpharray_: !enter
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3231[17:16:55] <SerajewelKS> yup
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3233[17:17:10] <alpharray_> Ok
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3234[17:17:12] <alpharray_> I am in
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3235[17:17:16] <SerajewelKS> !enter
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3236[17:17:16] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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3240[17:17:38] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: now let's do a few
things to see what happened. run "ls /home". do you get a
list of all of the users you expected to see?
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3241[17:17:51] <alpharray_> empty
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3242[17:17:58] <SerajewelKS> ugh. so their data is gone then.
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3244[17:18:12] <alpharray_> Is their a way to get it back?
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3246[17:18:16] <alpharray_> there*
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3248[17:18:22] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: restore backups
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3251[17:18:34] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: so, that is a no
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3253[17:18:42] <ggff8> We have come full circle...
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3254[17:18:45] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: run "cat
/etc/passwd". there's going to be a lot of system users in
there, but do you see any entries for any of your users?
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3255[17:18:47] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: cause debian does not
keep backups by default, does it?
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3257[17:19:10] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: there are ways to
undelete things on ext* filesystems sometimes, but i'm not
aware of the current methods for doing so
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3258[17:19:21] <alpharray_> none of my users
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3259[17:19:31] <alpharray_> don't worry
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3260[17:19:40] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: so here we have to
figure out what your goal is. do you want to try to recover any
data?
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3261[17:19:43] <alpharray_> I will just asume data is lost
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3263[17:19:52] <SerajewelKS> or do you just want to recreate your
users and get back into your system?
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3264[17:20:02] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: be honest, is it going
to be very hard?
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3266[17:20:16] <SerajewelKS> honestly? i don't know. when i
do stuff like this i restore my backups. ;)
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3269[17:20:29] <alpharray_> the only thing I would like to get
back would be my password manager
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3270[17:20:44] <alpharray_> Oh damn, I just figured this has
costs me 100$...
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3271[17:20:57] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: so here's the
trick. the more we use the system while / is mounted read-write, the
more likely that your deleted data is being overwritten.
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3272[17:21:12] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: so if you want to
recover anything, the first step is to power the machine down ASAP
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3274[17:21:18] <SerajewelKS> "poweroff" in your root
shell
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3275[17:21:18] <alpharray_> nah
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3276[17:21:21] <alpharray_> don't worry
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3277[17:21:32] <alpharray_> I will keep on with my life
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3278[17:21:41] <alpharray_> should I just create a new user?
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3279[17:21:42] <SerajewelKS> okay. then you can use the
"adduser" utility to create yourself a new user.
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3280[17:21:58] <SerajewelKS> so run "adduser NAME"
where NAME is the name of this user you want to create
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3281[17:22:05] <alpharray_> yeah
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3282[17:22:22] <alpharray_> should I add the user to the sudoers
group?
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3284[17:22:39] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: yes. "adduser NAME
sudoers"
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3285[17:22:46] <ggff8> Thats up to you
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3286[17:22:56] <ggff8> Having root access didnt work out for you
so well last time
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3290[17:23:16] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: once that is done, you
should be good to log into the GUI again. type "exit" to
leave the shell, and ALT+F7 or ALT+F8 to get back to the GUI.
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3293[17:23:26] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: then NEVER EVER do
administration tasks using the GUI ever again
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3294[17:23:33] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: and start taking backups
tonight
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3295[17:23:42] <alpharray_> Alright
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3296[17:23:45] <Exchizz0r> Hi guys. I just updated my 3.2 kernel
(from stable repo) to 4.9 (from testing) on my debian wheezy box.
Everything was working with 3.2 kernel. After I've installed
4.9, non of my networking interfaces are available. ifconfig -a
shows no interfaces. I tried to google, but it seems like nobody
else had this problem(or maybe I'm just a bad googler). I know
I don't share a lot of info, but I'm not sure what
information to share. Th
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3297[17:23:49] <alpharray_> Let me get my system back on its feet
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3298[17:23:56] <alpharray_> I will let you know how I am doing
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3300[17:24:13] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray_: dpkg has sent you a URL
to some useful info for admins.
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3301[17:24:17] <alpharray_> Thanks for everything once again, if
there is anything I can do for you (apart from taking backups) just
let me know
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3302[17:24:19] <Exchizz0r> could it be that kernel 4.9 depends on
some systemd stuff ?
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3305[17:24:51] <alpharray_> Thanks jhutchins_wk
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3307[17:25:15] <jhutchins_wk> Exchizz0r: lspci?
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3309[17:25:30] <jhutchins_wk> Exchizz0r: If you boot back to 3.2
are they there?
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3311[17:25:35] <alpharray_> SerajewelKS: when you mean never to
do administrator tasks from the GUI, what about the terminal on the
GUI, can I do them from there?
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3313[17:25:50] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: yes, that's what i
do
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3314[17:25:57] <alpharray_> Ok
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3315[17:26:02] <jhutchins_wk> Exchizz0r: Did you install firmware
for NICs in 3.2?
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3318[17:26:07] <alpharray_> Let me get my life back on its feet
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3319[17:26:11] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: i mean don't use
fancy GUI tools that manage your system. sometimes they are useful.
sometimes they do bad things.
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3320[17:26:16] <alpharray_> I will come back once the major stuff
is done
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3321[17:26:31] <alpharray_> Yeah, I learned that the hard way
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3323[17:26:43] <alpharray_> THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE!!!
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3327[17:26:47] <SerajewelKS> alpharray_: that's not to say
you can't make a small typo in a root shell and hose your
system, too. the most important thing you should take away is not
necessarily the stuff about GUI tools. the thing you should focus on
is the lack of backups.
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3328[17:26:59] <SerajewelKS> too late :<
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3329[17:27:00] <jhutchins_wk> alpharray_: Also, when
someone's helping you on irc, make sure you have some idea what
the commands they suggest are supposed to do. Look up the man page
if you need to.
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3330[17:27:09] <Exchizz0r> jhutchins_wk: well acturally, I
didn't install the box, the guy before my did that, so I
don't know. Do you know where I can check it ?
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3332[17:27:23] <Exchizz0r> JuaN-CruZ: if I boot back into 3.2
then yes, everything works :>
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3334[17:27:34] <jhutchins_wk> Exchizz0r: Start with booting to
3.2 and verifying that they work.
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3337[17:27:39] <Exchizz0r> oh sorry JuaN-CruZ n
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3343[17:27:55] <Exchizz0r> jhutchins_wk: it works in 3.2 :>
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3344[17:27:58] <jhutchins_wk> Exchizz0r: No guarantee, but the
first recovery step.
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3353[17:28:32] <jhutchins_wk> Exchizz0r: Ok, next we do lspci -nn
and look at the hardware. Do we need firmware for it? We can ask
judd.
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3357[17:28:50] <jhutchins_wk> Exchizz0r: You can also do dmesg |
grep firmware
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3358[17:28:57] <SerajewelKS> running dmesg after boot might also
give you some clues about what the kernel thinks of your hardware
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3367[17:30:13] <Exchizz0r> jhutchins_wk: dmesg | grep firmware
does not return anything with kernel 3.2
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3380[17:31:57] <jhutchins_wk> I've seen a lot of driver
questions after people install 4.9. It's a pretty big jump.
I'm reluctant to try it because I use the Nvidia drivers and I
don't know how much of the toolchain needs to be pulled from
backports.
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3386[17:33:05] <nkuttler> jhutchins_wk: i've had no problems
with 4.9 + nvidia on stable
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3390[17:34:23] <jhutchins_wk> nkuttler: How much of dkms/build
essential did you have to update?
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3391[17:34:46] <nkuttler> jhutchins_wk: no idea really, the box
is running stretch now
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3392[17:34:57] <nkuttler> but i can't remember having to do
anything special
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3398[17:35:36] <jhutchins_wk> I just upgraded jessie to 64b.
Crossgrade didn't go well, too much 32b left.
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3399[17:35:47] <nkuttler> heh
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3401[17:36:01] <jhutchins_wk> Old homedir had something that
prevented lightdm from loading.
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3417[17:38:32] <Exchizz0r_> lspci -nn does show my two Ethernet
controllers :/
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3419[17:39:03] <Exchizz0r_> actually 3.2 and 4.9 shows the exact
same - no diff :/
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3426[17:40:36] <Exchizz0r_> it did however give me the names of
my ethernet controllers,
replaced-url
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3427[17:40:43] <jhutchins_wk> Exchizz0r_: So pretty definitively
you don't have 4.9 drivers for them.
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3429[17:40:58] <Exchizz0r_> jhutchins_wk: thanks man, I will
google some more, thanks again :)
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