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46[00:30:23] <HelloShitty> it doesn't work via sane or
xsane
47[00:30:31] <HelloShitty> that's why I came here to try
to get some more help
48[00:30:44] <somiaj> HelloShitty: ahh didn't fully read
your problem, thanks for the clarification.
49[00:31:03] <joepublic> in my experience, "it isn't
supported by sane/xsane" is about equivalent to "The
scanner isn't going to work"
50[00:31:15] <joepublic> is it on their compatible scanners
list?
51[00:31:20] <somiaj> HelloShitty: You aren't lucky enough
to have a device that will just email you a .pdf of the scan, you
need an actual applicationt o use the scanner?
52[00:31:34] <HelloShitty> It was working but yesteray I got a
problem ib my router and I ha to reset it and reconfigure it
54[00:31:37] <joepublic> I scan to usb stick to get around a
similar problem
55[00:31:41] <HelloShitty> and now I can only use the printer,
not the scanner
56[00:31:56] <HelloShitty> I always use xsane to scann
documents
57[00:31:58] <somiaj> I'm use to more complicated machines
that can just email me a .pdf of the scan and not need software on
my machine to do it.
58[00:32:37] <HelloShitty> ok, nevermind peeps
59[00:33:10] <HelloShitty> I cannot afford today to try more
aggressive approaches because I'm deppendant of my aughter due
to online classes
60[00:33:24] <HelloShitty> and I need at least to print her
school assignments
61[00:33:45] <HelloShitty> an to scan documents an send them to
teacher, I'll have to take pictures with my smartphone
62[00:33:49] <somiaj> HelloShitty: well to me it sounds like
the problem is in the router, do you do this over ip.
63[00:33:58] <HelloShitty> and tomorrow, it's friday, so I
think I can try other approcahes
64[00:34:00] <joepublic> you say the event was with the router.
does the printer/scanner work over USB?
65[00:34:07] <somiaj> HelloShitty: install genius scan, it is
really easy and creates very good scans (better than a picture)
66[00:34:30] <HelloShitty> yesterday the router problem was
fixed
67[00:34:36] <somiaj> HelloShitty: that is just a I need a
method now and have a smartphone solution. As for your problem if
something use to work and didn't and the change was the router,
I would expect the issue to be there
68[00:34:42] <HelloShitty> the printer is conencted to the
router because I can see it
69[00:34:48] <somiaj> but in fixing it maybe configurations
changed and the full issue wasn't fixed.
70[00:34:51] <HelloShitty> but this is probalbly some IP
misconfiguration
83[00:37:19] <HelloShitty> see you tomorrow... Thanks
84[00:37:23] <somiaj> HelloShitty: again look up genius scan
for your smart phone (I have my students use it). It doesn't
fix your scanner problem, but it may deal with the creating a scan
problem for the time
85[00:37:38] <HelloShitty> ah ok
86[00:37:41] <HelloShitty> I'll give it a try
87[00:37:46] <lwp> HelloShitty, My only guess at a suggestion,
is to delete those scanner config files with the wrong IP from
~/.sane/xsane and then re-run whatever you did to create those files
in the first place.
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89[00:38:16] <HelloShitty> I guess that is hp-setup but
hp-setup cannot detect any scanner
158[01:41:53] <denniss> I don't understand how to rename
network interfaces: they always get renamed automagically by ... I
don't know. Can anyone help me with this?
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160[01:44:06] <denniss> I read things about the classic udev
rules, about the systemd-networkd, about udev.conf and naming
policies, but everything I've intented until now has failed
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171[01:47:44] <denniss> phogg: yes, I have a udev rule that
creates this interface
172[01:47:55] <denniss> it is named ap0 when created
173[01:48:13] <denniss> but then, instantly, it gets renamed to
renameXX
174[01:48:26] <denniss> XX is a random number
175[01:49:02] <phogg> I don't know, systemd likely tries to
screw with things also
176[01:49:04] <denniss> I tried to create a
/etc/systemd/netxor/10-myif.link
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178[01:49:19] <denniss> but didnt' work
179[01:49:26] <phogg> I don't know anything about systemd
(I don't use it)
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181[01:49:35] <denniss> yes, I don't know what exactly is
renaming
182[01:49:51] <denniss> phogg: ok
183[01:50:52] <denniss> Well, reading the debian documentation,
I really want to make some effort to do it the "new" way,
but... man, one full afternoon without result, it's getting
seriously puzzling
223[02:05:37] <lwp> denniss, don't know if it helps, but
there's also this factoid:
224[02:05:40] <lwp> !dpni
225[02:05:41] <dpkg> To disable Predictable Network Interface
naming and revert back to the old interface naming, run "ln -s
/dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link" as root
(without quotes). Creating this symbolic link prevents systemd from
being able to change interface names. You will need to unplug/replug
your device or reboot/reload module. Alternatively add net.ifnames=0
to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub then run update-grub and
reboot.
319[04:02:34] <JustTheDoctor> well when i try to do ./configure
on one of my apps i wanna compile it says, A compiler with support
for C++17 language features is required.
328[04:08:20] <sney> JustTheDoctor: according to gnu, c++17 has
been in g++ since gcc version 5. debian 9 has gcc version 6.3. it
should work, your configure script may have a bug
329[04:08:32] <dvs> !firmware iso
330[04:08:32] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
replaced-url
342[04:12:31] <dvs> foul_owl, anyways, I think you can copy the
firmware files to a separate USB drive and select that drive when
the installer asks for the firmware.
343[04:13:40] <lwp> foul_owl, if you have a working live CD, you
can use the calamares installer inside the running live system, to
install a permanent system.
344[04:13:43] <lwp> !calamares
345[04:13:43] <dpkg> Starting in Debian 10 Buster, the Calamares
installer is included in the debian-live boot images. The (somewhat
unreliable?) normal installer is also included, as one of the
choices in the first menu after boot. Once in the live system look
for an Install Debian icon, or type: sudo calamares See
replaced-url
387[04:25:29] <lwp> I am out of here in 3 minutes, sorry. maybe
others will try to help, if you try to explain what kind of firmware
you think you need.
392[04:26:00] <lwp> or, as I suggested earlier, if the live
system works OK for you, just use the "install debian"
function of the live system, and then modify the installed system.
393[04:26:16] <foul_owl> I understand that is a workaround
394[04:26:16] <lwp> !ping
395[04:26:17] <dpkg> Yes, lwp you are either online or you are
not...
replaced-url
396[04:26:38] <foul_owl> My goal is to resolve the issue of
missing firmware from the debian isos "off the shelf"
397[04:26:53] <foul_owl> As a diff across isos for
"firmware" should have no output
398[04:27:06] <foul_owl> As long as the iso in question is the
"firmware" iso
399[04:27:36] <lwp> foul_owl, if you can get a more specific
complaint of some specific firmware that should be added to one of
those images, then file a bug
400[04:27:48] <foul_owl> I have that right here:
replaced-url
401[04:27:54] <foul_owl> That is the diff...
402[04:29:10] <foul_owl> To me, it would be the same as
including a different kernel version between the livecd and the
netinst. It's simply a mistake
403[04:29:54] <foul_owl> Anyways, thank you for the help!
410[04:36:56] <dvs> If the live and nonlive ISOs have different
kernels then the ISOs were created at different times. I thought
that they would be built at the same time too.
445[05:27:15] <lwp> foul_owl, in the same download directories
as the debian-live+nonfree .iso files, are also corresponding
.contents and .log files. in the parent directory of the download
location for the .netinst images, are found directories named
list-cd, and log
560[08:21:13] <somiaj> choice: why do you need lynx, is your
goal to download something on this machine? Or what is the point of
using this maching to browose the internet
561[08:21:46] <choice> somiaj: I only have this machine.
563[08:22:27] <somiaj> ahh okay, was just seeing if maybe wget
or curl would work.
564[08:22:49] <choice> wget works.
565[08:22:53] <somiaj> anyways, you can copy binaries into your
$HOME and run them, if they are missing libaries you have to deal
with that issues as ayekat pointed out
566[08:23:54] <choice> somiaj: Ok, but how to get a lynx binary
in the first place?
567[08:23:57] <themill> you'd also need to have all its
dependencies unpackaged
568[08:25:00] <themill> (also how is this on-topic for both
#debian and #ubuntu?)
569[08:25:09] <kopper> themill: and #bash
570[08:25:22] <themill> yay.
571[08:26:00] <kopper> choice: Is asking the administrator out
of the question?
709[10:09:16] <simplicius> for some reason I don't have
anymore programs like ristretto and the snap-shot taker.. I
don't remember the name of the last
711[10:10:17] <xormor> simplicius, commandline: "apt search
ristretto" without the quotation marks.
712[10:10:59] <simplicius> the problem is I don't remember
the name of the screenshot taker.. Do all these program come from a
same package?
713[10:12:42] <xormor> simplicius, by default - no.
714[10:13:40] <simplicius> it seems that al these programs
related to images were removed
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716[10:13:48] <xormor> $ apt search screenshot
717[10:13:56] <xormor> simplicius, by an upgrade
718[10:15:25] <xormor> simplicius, can you rollback? or can you
just install the programs one by one? all of the 3 packages
individually. do you use the commandline interface or a visual
package manager? just search for the terms related to the
application program.
738[10:35:23] *** Plasmoduck_ is now known as Plasmoduck
739[10:35:50] <ws2k3> im running glusterfs on debian 9. when i
do service glusterfs-server stop. there still is a glusterfsd
running which does not seem to stop. how should i close that?
748[10:37:23] <jomofcw> How can I force any files/folder created
in a folder (and its subfolders) to have myUser:myGroup as owner,
please ?
749[10:37:59] <ksk> ws2k3: I dont know glusterfs, but maybe take
a look at what stop-command the systemd unit executes, and if that
should stop that deamon or not
750[10:38:14] <ksk> like "systemctl show
glusterfs-server"
751[10:38:29] <ws2k3> ksk: it seems that only stops the glusterd
daemon and not the glusterfsd
753[10:39:01] <ksk> jomofcw: all files you create will belong to
your use. If you want to change owners of existing files, you can
utilize the "chown" command (as root)
754[10:39:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1352
755[10:39:10] <ksk> *to your user.
756[10:39:25] <ksk> ws2k3: then, is there another service/unit
of that name glusterfsd?
760[10:41:01] <jomofcw> ksk hello. Currently when I create a
file, it belong to myUser:myUser. I need to change this to
automaticaly create files with owner myUser:myGroup. I know
it's possible because I've alrezdy done it previously but
I can't remember the command :/.
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762[10:43:46] <ksk> files are created with your primary group as
far as I know.
827[11:34:32] <netcrash> Hello, not sure if anyone uses it , but
using feh or other openbox wallpaper setter , can I set a wallpaper
per screen/desktop ?
840[11:41:16] <miskatonic> derivatives may easily introduce
incompatibilities
841[11:42:15] <ansimita> !frankendebian
842[11:42:15] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
846[11:46:09] <oxek> I'll try to be more specific with my
questions regarding those commands:
847[11:46:37] <oxek> I understand that it downloads a gpg key
from the internet and adds it to apt. Is there a way of ensuring
that this key is only valid for the signal repo and not for debian
repos?
849[11:47:39] <oxek> I see that a repository is added, is there
a way of restricting it so that e.g. if a tampered version of
firefox appears on it, then apt update will not automatically pull
it just because it is newer than the version in debian repos?
851[11:48:53] <BenNZ> oxek: if a repo would allow a tampered
version of firefox , then why would you want to use it ?
852[11:49:08] <miskatonic> I install a lot of stuff from github,
sourceforge, cpan, pypi etc. which is not available in debian
repositories
853[11:50:14] <oxek> BenNZ: I just want to be safer, that's
all. I have higher trust in debian repos than in signal repos. I
don't want to suddenly see my kernel being updated from signal
repos due to signal repos being compromised.
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862[11:53:41] <oxek> it's like having a company - your
employees have badges that let them in, but you're not gonna
give every customer walking through the door the same badge that
lets employees walk around freely.
863[11:53:45] <oxek> and you need customers...
864[11:53:56] <towo^work> download the source, build yourself
865[11:54:04] <BenNZ> oxek: but why accept software from someone
you dont trust
867[11:54:39] <oxek> BenNZ: because I have to because I use it
for work.
868[11:54:57] <BazookaTooth> oxek: you can't make
trade-offs when using outside repo/ppa
869[11:55:33] <miskatonic> what is ppa?
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871[11:55:54] <oxek> am I really the first person to come up
with the idea of limiting the possible damage a malicious repo could
do? Surely apt has some mechanisms already - and I can't find
them.
873[11:56:14] <BenNZ> oxek: no people usually only install
software from trusted sources
874[11:56:18] <BazookaTooth> apt does exactly what you tell it
too
875[11:56:32] <ansimita> !ppa | miskatonic
876[11:56:37] <ansimita> !ppa
877[11:56:37] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see
replaced-url
878[11:57:28] <BenNZ> oxek: and it is possible to 'cherry
pick' what software you want from a repo , but even then if the
repo is untrusted i dont see the point , if one software in that
repo is 'tampered' with , the rest cant be trusted either
882[11:58:20] <oxek> well I am trying to do the best I can wrt
frankendebian and so on, but I also need to work
883[11:58:37] <BazookaTooth> !frankendebian
884[11:58:38] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
885[11:58:51] <oxek> I know debian aspires to various ideals,
but they are not achievable in the real world for most
886[11:58:56] <BazookaTooth> so you already know you are doing
things wrong
887[11:59:04] <oxek> yes
888[11:59:13] <oxek> but I want to do it less wrong as opposed
to perfectly correct
889[12:00:11] <BazookaTooth> and you think others without more
resources have already tried and failed withou.. nevermind
890[12:00:36] <oxek> I don't understand
891[12:00:42] <BenNZ> oxek: what youre wanting to do is lick one
side of the stripper pole because you know the other side isnt good
....
892[12:00:44] <BazookaTooth> go reinvent the wheel
899[12:03:23] <BenNZ> oxek: i only add repos that i trust
900[12:04:19] <BazookaTooth> oxek: come tell us that when you
grabbed a bad ppa/repo and your shit turned into a nice botnet
901[12:05:15] <BazookaTooth> you won't notice right away
902[12:05:17] <oxek> I don't think this line of discussion
is being productive, so I'll get back to my issue: What danger
am I exposing myself to by running the commands in
replaced-url
903[12:05:39] <oxek> I am new, so please bear with me if I
don't understand right away
912[12:08:21] <BenNZ> oxek: it will install software that you
dont trust to do go knows what all the while ensuring you can
install/remove any other software because of dep hell
913[12:08:40] <BenNZ> cant install/remove
914[12:08:50] <oxek> BenNZ: I trust it to do what it says on the
can for now, but I don't trust it that it will not start
downloading linux kernel upgrades from it in the future for example
915[12:09:06] <BazookaTooth> ...
916[12:09:19] <BazookaTooth> but lemme guess you are going to do
it anyway
917[12:09:32] <oxek> not necessarily
918[12:10:07] <oxek> e.g. yesterday I successfully backported a
package from debian sid into stable thanks to guidance here, so I
can probably compile some stuff
919[12:10:20] <oxek> but this looks a level more difficult
because the sources are not in debian sid
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928[12:12:08] <miskatonic> do dpkg force installs count as
frankendebian?
929[12:12:11] <oxek> Space_Man: thanks, reading it now
930[12:12:24] <BazookaTooth> and stop expecting apt to give a
shit about security. it just does what you tell it too
931[12:12:39] <ayekat> more brokendebian than frankendebian
932[12:12:54] <oxek> BazookaTooth: so perhaps I am looking for a
better tool than apt. I am new, so I don't know what tools
there are.
933[12:12:55] <BazookaTooth> ayekat: pretty sure they are aware
934[12:13:34] <BazookaTooth> oxek: there is no package tool that
cares about security. if you feed it the wrong thing.. it is going
to own you
935[12:14:48] <BazookaTooth> being new is not an excuse.. you
are reminded constantly to not use 3rd party repos
936[12:16:43] <EdePopede> oxek, i was looking for it since i
couldn't see it on debian. found this forum post with exactly
your question and with this fine answer with a great link to the
ubuntu forum:
replaced-url
939[12:18:20] <oxek> Space_Man: the flatpak thing looks
interesting, it might be what I am looking for. I'll read up a
bit more about it, it looks like it even has some sort of sandboxing
to prevent the app from taking over the system, so it might be a
better tool than apt in this case.
957[12:33:48] <EdePopede> oxek: i looked into their files, they
seem to have 2 different versions of the client and one in beta.
can't see a reason for the first thing.
958[12:34:44] <oxek> "can't see a reason for the first
thing" what does that mean? English is not my first language.
959[12:35:11] <oxek> I know they say that their repo contains
the stable version and a beta version
960[12:35:18] <oxek> and they are installed with different names
964[12:37:19] <oxek> 1.33.3 was released today, so maybe a bug
in their repo that they haven't removed the older version?
965[12:37:34] <oxek> I don't really understand how it works
966[12:38:37] <EdePopede> and if you're only concerned
about their repo cluttering your system, but not about the client
itself, it is as i expected it: everything goes into /opt, only the
usual icons and docs and the desktop file into /usr. so you may as
well dl it, and then unpack manually. but then it would be up to you
ofc to stay up-to-date with fixes
968[12:40:40] <oxek> that's a relief to hear, thanks for
checking that out. How did you find out? I'd like to learn so
that I can do that myself without having to bother people in this
channel with possibly very beginner questions.
969[12:40:44] <EdePopede> the postinst doesn't do more than
the one for erm.. the other, proprietary, system everyone uses now.
creates a link to the binary, updates mime, but then...
970[12:40:46] <EdePopede> # SUID chrome-sandbox for Electron 5+
973[12:42:11] <EdePopede> besides the fact that i don't
like electron and then not have the ressource to run such a thing
(tried Franz! some years ago, was a nice idea, but really, no) i
surely won't run a MESSENGER SUID ROOT
981[12:46:50] <EdePopede> heh, even on the same site
replaced-url
982[12:47:11] <oxek> ok so signal having SUID set is a bad
thing. Is that malicious or a bug or intentional to get around some
problem? (probably a question for signal devs, sorry)
998[12:56:02] <oxek> miskatonic: is that a question for me?
999[12:57:02] <EdePopede> ah, the other system i was referring
to is Discord. same issues here. electron, suid root. that's
exactly why i don't just curl | sudo packages from teh webz.
1005[12:59:29] <EdePopede> messengers using open protocols (irc,
xmpp) surely can be replaced. just a matter of taste here. something
that obviously doesn't work with proprietary crap like Discord
and facebook.
1006[12:59:52] <oxek> signal claims to be opensource
1007[13:00:07] <EdePopede> oxek: existing programs are rewritten
from scratch or new ones don't support anything but electron?
1008[13:00:31] <EdePopede> it is, and this gives you
(theoretically at least) the freedom to use another client
1009[13:00:46] <EdePopede> of course someone would have to
develop one first :)
1013[13:04:25] <EdePopede> oh. in the EU the parlament uses it
and now also the commission. in the meantime Signal may stop
supporting USA because of their Earn IT Act.
1019[13:05:29] <oxek> and both are electron-based on desktops
1020[13:05:34] <EdePopede> better than Discord or Whatsapp for
sure. or even Zoom, which seems to be just a bad joke.
1021[13:06:00] <oxek> discord and whatsapp are also electron
based. Everything is electron based :(
1022[13:06:10] <EdePopede> that's why i use irc. lots of
clients without the need to install some SUID google browser
1023[13:06:17] <EdePopede> !sns
1024[13:06:18] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1025[13:06:25] <EdePopede> just the sns webapp crap
1026[13:06:38] <miskatonic> so signal is for communication
between computers across teh net, not between processes on the same
computer? I had not understood that initially.
1027[13:06:38] <EdePopede> written by cay latte slurping yuppies
1028[13:06:56] <oxek> miskatonic: yeah, it's a chat app like
ICQ
1029[13:07:34] <EdePopede> i really don't get it why people
always have to use the newest shiny chat app with no value added
compared to the old ones.
1031[13:07:55] <oxek> EdePopede: again, wasn't my choice,
but i have to use it for work
1032[13:08:37] <EdePopede> skype was rewritten in electron some
years ago, so i stopped using it. was a replacement for Ekiga which
i didn't find really usable some more years back.
1034[13:08:57] <EdePopede> oxek: yea, and someone made the
decision to use this particular system
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1036[13:09:05] <oxek> on windows, I ran it sandboxed, so I
wasn't that worried, but on linux I don't know anything
about sandboxes yet, so I am looking for the next best thing I am
able to do with my current skillset
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1043[13:10:55] <oxek> I am looking at the flatpak version of
signal-messenger from
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1044[13:11:00] <EdePopede> i don't really have an idea which
model would be fitting on linux. there are many ways to run software
separated from the rest of the system
1045[13:11:03] <oxek> it does not add any apt repositories nor
does it use apt
1046[13:11:04] <miskatonic> icq seems to be more of a protocol
than an app, as there are a variety of icq clients. I remember
having used icq with a ncurses-based clients at the turn of the
century
1047[13:11:20] <EdePopede> licq maybe
1048[13:11:25] <oxek> and the flatpak thing also seems to use
some sandboxing
1049[13:11:42] <oxek> does using flatpak break debian or make a
frankendebian or lead to dependency hell?
1050[13:11:44] <EdePopede> didn't they support xmpp for
years and then stopped it?
1052[13:11:54] <EdePopede> same with fb messenger iirc
1053[13:12:43] <EdePopede> oxek: apt is just the management,
there wouldn't even have been a need to create a .deb, a
tarball would have been enough, just like firefox does it.
1054[13:13:19] <EdePopede> it's only for the convenience
regarding updates i think
1055[13:13:49] <EdePopede> because it's just 3 commands
after unpacking (and some files, granted)
1112[13:47:20] <EdePopede> joepublic: while i was rebuilding the
new sysdisk on the other PC i took the opportunity to dd the live
iso to a partition. just because. could be a usecase to have a live
system around without the need of an extra drive. or maybe for some
raw data, but no idea what kind of software wouldn't use a file
on a fs.
1189[15:01:45] <holycow> does anyone know why on debian 10, gtk
based apps that can stream sound by default change the pcm volume
instead of just be mixed independently?
1191[15:03:00] <holycow> i can't use sites like youtube or
whatever without absolutely destroying my speakers when adjusting
the volume of any single youtube stream
1242[15:42:50] <shtrb> What is the proper approach for mongodb
server these days: install from stretch , install from mongodb
offical repo or something else ?
1283[16:02:26] <miskatonic> i do not know what
golang-github-juju-testing is (not exitant in stretch), but I assume
that it did not make it to buster, either ... at best to buster
contrib?
1284[16:04:24] <shtrb> sorry I had pasted the wrong bug ,
mongodb-server had been removed from buster and all it's deps
1290[16:06:54] <Xogium> hi folks… Hopefully quick
question, I have to install the package that provides ifconfig on a
debian 10 box… I checked and net-tools is already installed
yet ifconfig is missing, what else am I missing ? Yeah, I don't
like net-tools/ifconfig and I know it has been replaced by iproute2,
but the software I use needs it
1291[16:06:55] <eth01> hi, I'm looking to start a project of
offering debian vps'es to the foss community for learning and
development, is this something that would be of interest?
1292[16:07:25] <holycow> Xogium: sudo ifconfig
1293[16:07:32] <Xogium> huh
1294[16:07:32] <shtrb> Xogium, /usr/sbin/ifconfig
1295[16:07:51] <Xogium> hm, how come using it as my own user
fails ?
1296[16:08:02] <Xogium> it just says ifconfig command not found
1297[16:08:17] <shtrb> You are running without it being in the
PATH (sbin is not in path for normal users)
1298[16:08:17] <joepublic> because it's in sbin
1299[16:08:17] <Xogium> I've never used debian before
so…
1309[16:09:41] <holycow> would anyone know why gtk apps that can
stream sound set the pcm volume instead of get mixed as relative
volume like apps using any other toolkit?
1310[16:09:51] <Xogium> hmmm alright
1311[16:09:59] <joepublic> to become root, use `su -` or `su -l`
and not just `su` if you want the proper path including /sbin
1312[16:09:59] <miskatonic> sorry, i just selected a common first
name by hazard
1330[16:16:13] <Xogium> but seeing that its more a ddclient
config issue, that's not related to debian so I won't
bother the channel more with this ;) thanks for explaining about
ifconfig and the default path
1348[16:29:14] <dacencora> Hey guys! This directory usually has
.isos in it, but it doesn't have any right now.
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1349[16:29:44] <miskatonic> is there an alternative to mongo? I
fear it is a niche that cannot be filled easily by sql servers or
arbitrary nosql servers
1360[16:34:46] <shtrb> miskatonic, There are better solution if
you are on a design level , but I just wish to take something that
used to work at stretch in buster. And my question was about what
would better to use old versions from debian repo or using upstream
versions.
1395[16:50:57] <sgo11> hi, I am not sure if I should ask this
question here. Why can I use "ipset -N" but ipset manpage
doesn't have "-N" argument? Thanks a lot.
1400[16:53:57] <bmomjian> Does this Debian buster kernel message
just mean someone is trying to attack my server, and I can ignore
it? RPC: fragment too large: 50331691
1407[16:57:44] <dacencora> So I am wondering, because I like
rolling release more than I like numbered releases, is Sid more
secure than testing? I know stable is the most secure, but how is
Sid?
1448[17:23:38] <x0n> anyone here knowledgable with node.js?
I'm trying to install from source package, build goes through
but unit tests fail. I'll take that risk. how to disable the
tests though? the makefile has lots of references to tests,
can't have to rip them all out or must I?
1449[17:23:55] <miskatonic> badsector: not supported by whom or
what?
1559[18:54:38] <mutantturkey> good morning. I am using sysvinit
on buster and I have a problem booting. it is hanging during boot so
I do not get a console. I am looking for strategies to debug this
1560[18:55:26] <greycat> f8e4: I've never heard that one. It
sounds like rubbish.
1585[19:05:14] <mutantturkey> i am going to edit the boot params
via grub
1586[19:05:21] <mutantturkey> 'doing this through
digitalocean so its a bit weird
1587[19:05:22] <Choumou> Hi ! I'm trying to start a program
at debian startup (before gnome startup). I tried to put my scrit
into /etc/rc.local but it blocked gnome startup. Do you know how to
start a script without block gnome ?
1588[19:05:40] <somiaj> mutantturkey: you will proibably still
need a recovery method even if you figure out what service is
hanging
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1607[19:12:26] <Choumou> Hi again ! How can i be sure that my
startup program is launched ? Cause it doesn't seem to be
launch when i look at the "startup logs"
1608[19:12:30] <mutantturkey> Choumou: somiaj yeah, recovery mode
works so it's not a problem
1609[19:12:57] <mutantturkey> somiaj: that certainly made the
kernel boot process more verbose, butwhen it gets to services it
isn't any mor everbose and then is stuck
1611[19:14:20] <somiaj> well it tells you last thing that worked,
which helps you identify which service is having roblems
1612[19:14:32] <mutantturkey> that'd be /var/log/messages?
1613[19:14:39] <somiaj> Choumou: I smell an XY problem, my guess
is rc.local is not the best way to achive your goal. What is your
goal.
1614[19:14:49] <mutantturkey> yeah i tihnk pdns might be bailing,
cool somiaj
1615[19:15:03] <joepublic> also, /var/log/kern.log substantially
contains dmesg from the last boot
1616[19:15:03] <Choumou> My goal is to start a programm before
gnome startup
1617[19:15:03] <somiaj> mutantturkey: often times the service
freezes before any logs are produced, so you have to manually debug
it, maybe disable the service and so on
1618[19:15:05] <greycat> rc.local is a quick hack, and if you
want logging or any real management possibilities, use a systemd
unit
1619[19:15:25] <greycat> Choumou: WHAT program, and what does it
have to do with GNOME?
1620[19:15:28] <mutantturkey> somiaj: good tip
1621[19:15:43] <rnix> hi, i try to build ffmpeg from source
package without gpl options. i removed gpl related compile flags one
after another. when finally removing --enable-gpl, dh_install fails
complaining about missing libpostproc binaries. any hint on this=
1622[19:15:47] <rnix> ?
1623[19:15:52] <mutantturkey> alphabetically there's pdns
after my last entry (openvpn). this in combo with /var/ is telling
me pdns is geting stuck. gool
1624[19:16:02] <Choumou> greycat : it's a script that do
something everytime there is an authentification failure in gnome
session
1625[19:16:17] <mutantturkey> rnix: sounds like you are missing
libpostproc
1626[19:16:30] <mutantturkey> libpostproc-dev - FFmpeg library
for post processing - development files
1627[19:16:33] <greycat> So it's meant to be run as PART of
a gnome session? It has to interact with the user, or with the
X/Wayland server? If that's the case, rc.local is the WRONG
place for it.
1633[19:17:19] <greycat> or you might be able to cheat and use
~/.xsessionrc but with GNOME, all bets are off
1634[19:17:22] <greycat> GNOME is the worst
1635[19:17:35] <somiaj> Choumou: and what do you need to do if
there is an authentification failure, what is causing these
failures, maybe fix the actual problem vs creating some strange
hack.
1636[19:17:43] <mutantturkey> rnix: weird
1637[19:17:50] <mutantturkey> rnix: maybe it's one OR the
other that's required?
1638[19:17:56] <mutantturkey> rnix: i'd just check that
first
1639[19:18:03] <Choumou> somiaj : it's just for logging when
someone want to have access to a gnome session
1640[19:18:20] <Choumou> greycat : i can configure gnome to
launch a programm at its startup ?
1641[19:18:35] <rnix> mutantturkey: i guess libpostproc gets
build as dependency somehow as long as i leave --enable-gpl.
1645[19:19:36] <somiaj> gnome resepets xdg standards so you write
a .desktop file and stick it in some autostart dir
1646[19:19:49] <Choumou> Cause i found on internet that we can
start script at gnome session startup but in my case, i want to
launch the script before gnome session startup
1647[19:19:54] <somiaj> still think this is an xy problem, for
aren't authentication failures already logged
1648[19:20:33] <greycat> somiaj: I'm starting to agree with
you. The language Choumou is using is dodgy as hell.
1719[20:19:34] <somiaj> f8e4: Debian main is fully open, and you
are welcome to audit the code. Others do some auditing, and you can
find any known security issues on security-tracker.debian.org
1720[20:20:32] <somiaj> f8e4: in addition debian is move to
reproducible builds to ensure that the binaires on the mirrors are
the exact same as the ones generated by the code.
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1730[20:25:47] <rwp> f8e4, Ubuntu infamously had direct channels
to Amazon at times in the past. Sometimes it is private industry
that is more insidious.
1731[20:26:52] <somiaj> this only applies to debian main, we
cannot fully audit non-free code that gets on your system from
contrib or non-free, though debian wouldn't knownly distribute
malisious software through these unoffical repos
1732[20:28:41] <rwp> It would be a huge scandal if something were
found. If you haven't heard of a huge scandal, then nothing has
yet been found.
1734[20:29:23] <rwp> It can't be proven that something does
not exist. But there are a lot of eyes looking. If someone saw
something then they would say something.
1757[20:54:33] <mandeep> so seems like Zoom is taking over
pulseaudio for other applications as well. is there a way i can stop
zoom from accessing pulse settings?
1800[21:07:36] <somiaj> porton: most of us suggestion configuring
this from the command line and don't expose your server using
some web based pannel for this (it only open's up security
holes and doesn't often provide any feature you like). If if
don't want to follow our advise
1801[21:07:47] <somiaj> !free whcp
1802[21:07:48] <dpkg> FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include:
<DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP>
Omega. Don't use <Webmin>.
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1803[21:08:09] <somiaj> I mean any additional features
1821[21:13:30] <mandeep> that way i dont need to do sudo dpkg -i
zoom.deb
1822[21:14:04] <somiaj> mandeep: you can extract the .deb, but
depending on the package you have to do a bunch more stuff than that
1823[21:14:05] <jhutchins> mandeep: Doesn't really work that
way.
1824[21:14:11] <greycat> mandeep: no, there is not.
1825[21:14:33] <mandeep> i see
1826[21:14:56] <somiaj> mandeep: appimages, flatpack, snap are
prefered methods for having a self contained app in $HOME
1827[21:15:03] <jhutchins> mandeep: The only way to really
achieve isolation is to build a complete chroot and run it in that.
1828[21:15:05] <somiaj> unsure if zoom provides any of those.
1829[21:15:17] <mandeep> ah yes forgot about flatpack and the
like
1830[21:15:25] <jmcnaught> flathub has a zoom flatpak
1831[21:15:27] <mandeep> yeah i thought about a chroot too
1832[21:15:34] <jhutchins> There's probably a way to do it
with docker, but docker and networking don't play well
together.
1833[21:15:44] <somiaj> you still have to be root for chroots, so
don't really gain much from that vs just installing the .deb on
the systme.
1834[21:16:01] <mandeep> i imagine you face the same issues with
flatpak though
1835[21:16:06] <somiaj> and chroots and xorg requires a bit more
work to be able to run a gui app in a chroot on your current running
xorg.
1836[21:16:09] <jhutchins> mandeep: You could try a different
browser.
1837[21:16:43] <mandeep> jhutchins: i was having similar issues
with chromium :(
1838[21:16:46] <jmcnaught> mandeep: flatpaks can be installed by
non-privileged users, it's how I have Discord and Steam
installed on buster.
1839[21:16:50] <jhutchins> mandeep: Yeah, sound settings
aren't a matter of packaging, it's how zoom sets the audio
preferences, which is internal to zoom.
1840[21:17:06] <jhutchins> It's not a question of
installation.
1841[21:18:03] <NetTerminalGene> ubuntu 20.04 released. it beats
buster now
1842[21:18:12] <NetTerminalGene> debian lose
1843[21:18:17] <greycat> Bye.
1844[21:18:18] <mandeep> jmcnaught: ah nice
1845[21:18:43] <mandeep> jhutchins: yeah seems like there's
no way around it
1959[22:15:17] <greycat> I'm really getting tired of giving
and answer, and then people don't read it, and ask the same
damned question that I literally JUST ANSWERED.
1960[22:15:39] <greycat> Especially after spending multiple
minutes and multiple search terms trying to FIND said answer.
1967[22:17:31] <warsoul> man systemed-journald.service
1968[22:17:31] <warsoul> No manual entry for
systemed-journald.service
1969[22:17:34] <greycat> dpkg, (1) is <reply>Unix man pages
are divided into sections, which normally have numeric names. ls(1)
means the page "ls" in section "1". To read it,
you type "man 1 ls".
1970[22:17:35] <dpkg> okay, greycat
1971[22:17:42] <greycat> warsoul: you're misspelling it.
1972[22:17:48] <greycat> FUCK
1973[22:17:50] <greycat> Just FUCK.
1974[22:17:56] <greycat> *plonk*
1975[22:18:10] <greycat> FUCK YOU TOO SYSTEMD FOR MAKING THIS
SHIT SO GOD DAMNED HARD TO TYPE
1979[22:18:44] <dpkg> Unix man pages are divided into sections,
which normally have numeric names. ls(1) means the page
"ls" in section "1". To read it, you type
"man 1 ls".
1991[22:23:46] <dpkg> methinks arch is a hardware architecture
(i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390
&& ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch).
Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at
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1992[22:24:31] <tharkun> greycat: Thanks. For some reason I
believed there where not enough downloads to justify the build and
fine tuning.
1993[22:24:57] <greycat> i386 is still widely used, if
that's the particular 32-bit arch you meant. We're not
Ubuntu.
1994[22:25:21] <tharkun> greycat: We know each other since sarge
:)
1997[22:26:13] <somiaj> though unless you have really old
hardware, amd64+multiarch is what many suggest, afiak debian has no
plans to remove the i386 arch any time soon.
2002[22:26:58] <tharkun> somiaj: After I get this laptop its
driving license I will nuke winxp and then install debian.
2003[22:27:21] <foul_owl> Debian has various types of install
media "live", "netinst" etc. Each of these types
has a corresponding "nonfree" also. Should each type of
"nonfree" iso contain identical firmware, everything else
being equal?
2008[22:28:38] <somiaj> foul_owl: only the debian-installer on
the non-live systems without firmware (netinstall, cd1, dvd1) are
considered offical.
2009[22:28:49] <somiaj> foul_owl: non-free firmware images and
live installers are not offical.
2010[22:28:55] <foul_owl> Ahh, understood
2011[22:29:07] <foul_owl> Who builds the "nonfree"
isos?
2012[22:29:18] <foul_owl> What is the project or org who does
that
2013[22:29:28] <somiaj> greycat: From what i've seen in
buster, the live images use the offical debian-installer and the new
installer from inside the live image actually is quite relaiable,
seen various people with sucess with it
2014[22:29:48] <somiaj> foul_owl: they are all built by debian,
but due to DFSG, debian will never call anything with non-free
software offical.
2028[22:31:02] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, somiaj
2029[22:31:19] <foul_owl> here's the diff:
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2030[22:31:22] <foul_owl> (live, netinst)
2031[22:31:23] <somiaj> foul_owl: the unoffical netinstall with
firmware still doesn't have the correct firmware?
2032[22:31:28] <somiaj> !firmware images
2033[22:31:29] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
replaced-url
2034[22:31:38] <foul_owl> The netinst does not
2035[22:31:40] <somiaj> !calamares
2036[22:31:41] <dpkg> Starting in Debian 10 Buster, the Calamares
installer is included in the debian-live boot images. The (somewhat
unreliable?) normal installer is also included, as one of the
choices in the first menu after boot. Once in the live system look
for an Install Debian icon, or type: sudo calamares See
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2037[22:31:54] <foul_owl> I repack the netinst anyway with my
preseed
2040[22:32:03] <somiaj> foul_owl: the unoffical netinstaller
right? (if you say netinstall I assume offical and of course that
doesn't have any firmware)
2044[22:32:21] <joepublic> the debian installer is somewhat
unreliable?
2045[22:32:28] <foul_owl> I've only ever used
"nonfree" since debian 6
2046[22:32:44] <foul_owl> As all systems I've installed
debian on need some firmware unfortunately
2047[22:33:00] <foul_owl> So I copied the firmware over from live
to netinst
2048[22:33:18] <foul_owl> But the installer still refuses to use
it
2049[22:33:31] <somiaj> joepublic: the offical installre is
fairly reliable in a wide varitie of situations, on both legach and
ufi systems, from both usb and cdrom, but there are issues in edge
cases.
2050[22:33:49] <joepublic> somiaj, yes, in contrast with the
impression that the factoid above gives.
2051[22:33:53] <foul_owl> How do I convince netinst to use the
entire contents of "firmware"
2052[22:34:11] <Delf> foul_owl: So this one has the firmware you
want but the netinst isn't using it?
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2053[22:34:14] <somiaj> foul_owl: you have to put the firmware on
a separate usb stick. Sounds like you have hardware that requires
firwmare to new for the netinstall
2055[22:34:43] <foul_owl> Delf: It does not have that firmware. I
had to copy the firmware over from the livecd
2056[22:34:45] <somiaj> joepublic: the debian-installer on the
live images isn't as relaiable (and for some the calameres
installer has better luck), but this is the debian-installer on the
live images, not the offical debian install images.
2067[22:36:12] <somiaj> foul_owl: no, you have to supply it on a
separte usb stick during the install
2068[22:36:22] <foul_owl> Why do any isos ship with a
"firmware" directory at all then?
2069[22:36:55] <greycat> dpkg, persistent journal is
<reply>In Debian releases 8-10, systemd's journal is not
persistent by default. To enable the persistent journal, see
systemd-journald.service(8) or «mkdir -p /var/log/journal;
systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal».
Persistent will be the default in Debian 11+.
2070[22:36:55] <dpkg> greycat: okay
2071[22:36:59] <somiaj> foul_owl: you just have poorly supported
hardware, but the non-free netinstaller does provide firmware for
many devices and requires no extra work.
2072[22:37:18] <foul_owl> Why does the livecd work but the
netinst doesn't then?
2073[22:37:33] <foul_owl> Why aren't the
"firmware" dirs identical?
2079[22:38:22] <greycat> It's almost like they're two
different images!
2080[22:38:27] <Delf> Can someone verify that multi-seat is not
working as intended on debian stable? At least update the wiki to
let people know that it's partially broken
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2081[22:39:05] <foul_owl> It's almost as if making them
different is causing a problem
2082[22:39:58] <greycat> You assume things that are not true,
like "Debian is a single entity with a single and consistent
policy".
2083[22:40:13] <greycat> the -live team is totally separate from
the d-i team
2084[22:40:14] <foul_owl> Why not include a random firmware
assortment for each type of desktop iso. mate will get firmware a,
b, and c, and gnome gets firmware c, d, and e
2085[22:40:15] <trek00> foul_owl: it's just a matter of what
is free and what's not, official debian installer images are
completely free software, then there are the unofficial non-free
images with firmware; the live images probably contains firmware
because you could have more problems, installing firmware inside
those live images every time you use it
2086[22:41:04] <foul_owl> greycat: That is an incorrect
assumption on my part
2087[22:41:59] <foul_owl> I simply want a netinst with a
directory containing all firmware that has ever shipped with any
version of any iso built for debian 10
2090[22:42:47] <foul_owl> I don't mind repacking the iso
myself
2091[22:43:06] <trek00> Delf: exactly, what it not working? may
be the wiki howto is a bit outdated
2092[22:43:16] <foul_owl> But I don't want to load it from a
separate usb drive as that negates the purpose of preseeding, a
fully automated installation
2096[22:44:29] <greycat> He seems to be claiming that the
non-free netinst is missing something, or has too-old something, but
he's not saying what, because why be explicit and
problem-focused when you can rant and ask for the moon?
2108[22:46:39] <trek00> foul_owl: diff of non-free images with
the live one?
2109[22:46:46] <greycat> "I don't just want the one
firmware package I *actually* need, so I won't tell you which
one I want, because what I *ACTUALLY* *WANT* is for the entire
Debian culture to be overhauled and for all the images to be unified
under one central controller!!!"
2110[22:47:00] <foul_owl> trek00: yes
2111[22:47:22] <foul_owl> This isn't for just one install
2112[22:47:23] <trek00> foul_owl: which one is the live?
it's not written in the diff
2113[22:47:27] <foul_owl> live, netinst
2114[22:47:46] <Delf> trek00: The wiki is not out dated. Debian
old-stable is working but not current stable. Locking and unlocking
doesn't work. When a user logs out from seat1 or seat2, seat0
gets locked and no gdm is respawned until someone else on another
seat logs out… only seat0 is able to log out and respawn a
gdm login.
2115[22:48:19] <trek00> Delf: may be something need to be
configured with newer logind?
2116[22:48:29] <foul_owl> greycat: I'm not asking for
anything to be overhauled, I'm happy to build the iso myself
2117[22:48:50] <greycat> The unofficial images are not supported
by Debian. They are "as is". If your life would be
improved by you making a new custom netinst image with more
firmware, then do that.
2118[22:49:10] <greycat> !custom d-i
2119[22:49:10] <dpkg> To create customized Debian <netinst>
images, see
replaced-url
2129[22:50:42] <foul_owl> My question is simply: if I copy
firmware over from the livecd to the netinst, why doesn't the
netinst load that firmware?
2130[22:51:01] <foul_owl> I have built an iso that contains the
union of both sets of firmware
2131[22:51:18] <foul_owl> But I can't convince the netinst
to load it from the contents of the firmware dir
2132[22:51:42] <foul_owl> My question isn't some insane
idea, it's the best solution for a fully automated install
2133[22:52:07] <trek00> foul_owl: if the contents are unpacked
inside the correct /lib/firmware directory, the installer should see
and use them (but not install)
2134[22:52:13] <foul_owl> Especially when every person I know is
asking me for debian on their shitty laptop so they can ditch
windows 10
2135[22:53:15] <foul_owl> trek00: Understood. This is my issue. I
can see the firmware from the live cd in that location, but the
installer is not loading it
2136[22:53:41] <foul_owl> Rather, I can confirm that the firmware
from the livecd has been copied correctly to the netinst iso
2137[22:54:04] <kingsley> I wonder if Debian's package
management infrastructure could benefit from the X Binary Package
System (in short XBPS). Evidently its creator just resigned from the
Void project. You can see this is so at
2150[22:57:31] <user217217> trek00: just stuck on 11%
2151[22:58:33] <trek00> kingsley: debian is based on dpkg and
apt, may be some of those features could be incorporated inside the
actual infrastructure, but it's unlikely that debian could
switch to a completely different packaging system
2156[22:59:28] <user217217> trek00: I use console now
2157[22:59:35] <HelloShitty> Hello... Anyone with some
hplip/sane/xsane knowledge that can hepl me to troubleshoot a
problem I have with my scanner device?
2158[22:59:58] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: It's best if you
ask away, anyone knowing the answer will respond.
2159[23:00:01] <trek00> user217217: which command you typed?
2160[23:00:01] <user217217> trek00: also I get timeout error when
try to stop it
2161[23:00:27] <user217217> for remove: sudo apt purge
redis-server
2162[23:01:04] <trek00> user217217: please paste the full output
on
replaced-url
2163[23:01:08] <user217217> to stop: /etc/init.d/redis-server
stop
2172[23:04:56] <HelloShitty> I have connected my new router and I
have been able to connect my AIO printer to the router but I can
only print over wireless network
2173[23:05:04] <HelloShitty> but I can't scan over the
wireless network
2174[23:05:18] <HelloShitty> when I start xsane, it says it
couldn't find any scanner device
2175[23:05:48] <HelloShitty> I have hplip and hp-aio installed
and when I try to run hp-check I get severall python errors
2176[23:06:38] <user217217> trek00: I'm on phone now. I can
just make photo
2188[23:17:41] <foul_owl> trek00: both live and netinst have the
same kernel version: 4.19.0-8-amd64
2189[23:19:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1372
2190[23:20:19] <sney> HelloShitty: fwiw, I haven't had
consistent success making my hp scanner work in debian either. I
usually end up just scanning to a thumbdrive. Not sure what to
suggest since hp doesn't have much in the way of non-windows
support
2191[23:20:25] <Delf> trek00: It's not because of
logind.conf :(. I'm miserable but it made me happy at least a
little bit thinking it was it.
2192[23:20:56] <sney> I did have it working once, but I
didn't write down the exact working versions of everything
before an upgrade broke scanning again
2204[23:32:58] <lwp> foul_owl, if you can get a more specific
complaint of some specific firmware that should be added to one of
those images, then file a bug
2213[23:38:27] <trek00> foul_owl: what dmesg says?
2214[23:39:26] <lwp> foul_owl, we've all seen your lazy diff
output. if you want something changed, you should create a specific
request for adding some specific thing(s) to some specific version
of some specific installer or live image. otherwise, you are just
ranting
2215[23:39:59] <foul_owl> trek00: Correct, the firmware does not
get loaded
2217[23:40:16] <sney> the live and installer teams are
technically separate so it is possible for them to have some minor
variance between releases. a bug report calling attention to this
will probably result in the problem being fixed quickly.
2218[23:40:27] <trek00> foul_owl: please paste the full output to
paste.debian.net/
2225[23:43:32] <foul_owl> trek00: I need to locate another usb
drive so I can copy the output of dmesg off the installation target
2226[23:43:52] <foul_owl> sney: Thank you, you are first person
to acknowledge that this is an issue
2227[23:43:59] <trek00> foul_owl: that could bring some more
detailed info to debug it
2228[23:44:57] <foul_owl> I don't understand why me
identifying a mistake in the iso builds qualifies me as a lunatic.
If it were me, I would say "oh damn, that shouldn't be
like that, I can see how that is messing up your preseed
netinst"
2259[23:59:08] <sney> Delf: sddm definitely supports locking
unless you mean something other than what it does automatically on
my machine after I walk away for a while
2261[23:59:34] <sney> plantroon: netfilter upstream is pushing
everyone from iptables to nftables. there are compatibility options
to help with the transition
2262[23:59:43] <Delf> sney: Locking in multi-seat setup or
single-seat?