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0[00:02:11] <OS-26377> anybody on that can answer a question about my kali vm version? im on the linux buffer overflow section and uname -a reveals that my vm is a 686 and not a 486
1[00:02:28] <OS-26377> will this cause problems?
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16[00:12:32] <stoned> Today I was reminded that a year ago, Ian took his own life. Software engineers are troubled and deep. Please treat us with kindness and respect. We're also human beings. Be kinder to each other and take care of each other. Life is precious. Today I am sad and wanted to share my respect for his death anniversary. <3
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22[00:16:30] <Ooze> What's the best way to permanently map a network drive?
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27[00:18:07] <teraflops> fstab?
28[00:18:33] <Ooze> oh
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31[00:19:06] <teraflops> Ooze: you could elaborate a bit though
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33[00:20:01] <Ooze> I have a new LAN I want to map on my debian server
34[00:20:06] <BenNZ> Ooze: i would recommend using /etc/rc.local as using fstab relies on the fact the network will be up
35[00:20:17] <Ooze> it relies on the network being up anyway ;)
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37[00:20:38] <Ooze> :s/LAN/NAS
38[00:20:39] <Ooze> sorry
39[00:20:59] <BenNZ> Ooze: well i meant the network will need to be up before mount -a is run on boot , whereas using /etc/rc.local doesnt
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43[00:25:52] <teraflops> Ooze: so you were asking about which network filesystem is best?
44[00:26:18] <Ooze> no
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72[00:43:35] <awal1> first time i try "nodm" (in a vm) and I have a question: how to log out from X or switch to another x session without rebooting or open the desired xsession in another vc?
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83[00:50:58] <Stummi> awal1, nodm is probably the wrong tool for your use case
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110[01:14:27] <Mazhive> hello guys can some one tell me why i cannot have read write acces when i plug in my ext4 external disk after let it automount it..??
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112[01:15:16] <somiaj> Mazhive: what are the permisiosns on the ext4 filesystem? The permsisions ened to match the user ids on your system.
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115[01:15:55] <Mazhive> depends... wich computer i would plug it in all of them are having the same problem.
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117[01:16:31] <somiaj> Mazhive: ext4 persions are on the file system, automount won't change them. If your user has different uids on each system it will be hard to use this between systems. You will have to ensure they all use the same udi
118[01:16:38] <Mazhive> oke i formatted a drive with ext4 with gparted under root
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120[01:16:43] <somiaj> after that just use chmod/chown to change permisions like you would any ext4 filesystem.
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122[01:17:25] <Mazhive> oke but would the chown be diffrent on a other pc
123[01:18:00] <somiaj> if all the machines use the dfeaul tuser 1000 as the uid it shouldn't
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125[01:18:08] <somiaj> but if the uid's are different, yes you'll have to change it each time.
126[01:18:23] <somiaj> note this is because this is how ext4 filesystem work, you have to control permisions.
127[01:19:02] <Mazhive> oke so what would be an alternative to use then ntfs ??
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129[01:19:25] <Gerowen> If you're recursively copying one directory over another, is there a modified version of the -f flag to basically say not to overwrite a file in the destination folder if it is the same size as the source file? I'm piddling around with a backup script that will be responsible for copying several TB of data, and don't want unnecessarily copy files that haven't been modified since the last backup.
130[01:19:59] <somiaj> vfat is better supported in linux. In the case of vfat or ntfs, when it is mounted permsions are set and emulated at mount, so this is why it change change with differnt users, but this is because the permsisions are not on the file system.
131[01:20:02] <teraflops> Mazhive: or vfat
132[01:20:06] <teraflops> that
133[01:20:13] <somiaj> Gerowen: check out rsync
134[01:20:42] <Mazhive> but for vfay you have the limitation of 4gb files right ??
135[01:20:48] <Mazhive> vfat
136[01:21:32] <somiaj> Mazhive: yes
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139[01:22:25] <Mazhive> how does debia cope with this would ther be a warning presented when copying >4gb files
140[01:22:26] <somiaj> Mazhive: note you can use ext4 filesystems for external drives, I do, you just have to configure the permsisions using normal tools like chmod/chown. Sharing between systems, just ensure the uid number in /etc/passwd are the same for the user(s) that access the data
141[01:23:09] <somiaj> Mazhive: I don't think cp will know until it reaches that limit, you may have to manually check your files are smaller than that size.
142[01:23:19] <Mazhive> oke what i can do is make a group which has acces on all external drives..
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144[01:23:40] <Mazhive> for ext4 fs
145[01:23:41] <somiaj> you can do it that way, again you have full ability to configure the permsisions on that file system how ever you wnat
146[01:23:55] <somiaj> make verything 777 if you wish and don't care about security of other users
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148[01:24:15] <somiaj> but 1775 is probably more standard
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150[01:25:07] <somiaj> Mazhive: note the file system only stores numbers (not names) so it is the number like uid=1000 gid=1000 that gets transfered between systems. So just ensure the group you use has the same number on all system.s
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153[01:25:49] <Mazhive> i am gone try using common groups that would be more convienant, hmm exactly thanks..
154[01:26:10] <somiaj> Mazhive: yea if they are all debian systems, system groups should always have the same gid
155[01:26:51] <Mazhive> eventually i could automount and use the gid in fstab
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157[01:27:21] <somiaj> Mazhive: no. ext4 doesn't not have a gid= option, these are options for file systems that don't have the standard unix permisions.
158[01:27:48] <somiaj> that would be for if you were using vfat, ntfs, or other non unix filesystems in linux.
159[01:27:54] <teraflops> Mazhive: ntfs is fine if you use ntfs-3g (because better performance) exfat does not have the 4GB filesize limit but I'm not sure how it performs in linux (fuse or not)
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162[01:28:02] <Mazhive> oke but how would i do that now i am using UUID=38cb4deb-70c8-4edd-bd9d-6ea606879375 /media/usb0 auto rw 0 0
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168[01:28:37] <somiaj> Mazhive: I thnik you should read up a little bit on how *nix style file systems and permsisions work. then set up a group permsisions accordinly.
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171[01:29:37] <Mazhive> thanx,, i will , you have helped me in the right direction :)
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190[01:35:58] <brenlae> hi, i want to start programming, any tips?
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192[01:36:02] <brenlae> i'm using debian jessie
193[01:36:04] <Gerowen> somiaj: So running "rsync -a /mnt/storage/ /mnt/backup" should copy the contents of /mnt/storage to /mnt/backup, without actually changing the files in /mnt/storage, correct?
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197[01:36:32] <teraflops> brenlae: read books, read code
198[01:36:49] <brenlae> teraflops: ok, i'll get a book on c then i guess :)
199[01:37:14] <awal1> Stummi: just curious about nodm and playing with it vm; I wont use it in real hardware :P
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207[01:40:01] <brenlae> teraflops: thank you :)
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209[01:40:12] <teraflops> uhm
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212[01:41:45] <awal1> any news about adoptin "deepin DE" for debian?
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214[01:41:54] <awal1> adopting ^
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224[01:50:45] <maus> Hi, how do i end X-Server on my machine(etch) properly , in order to work on cli ? Ctrl+Alt+Backspace twice does not work out, since it respawn itself automatically...
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228[01:55:01] <rook2pawn> there's a good chance you want to service stop gdm3 (or service stop lightdm)
229[01:55:11] <rook2pawn> then exit
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232[01:57:13] <maus> rook2pawn: service , gives command not found...
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235[01:57:39] <maus> etch does have the service command.. ?
236[01:58:08] <TomTomTosch> it's the other way around, service gdm3 stop and it's in /sbin/ you will need to run it as root.
237[01:58:37] <rook2pawn> oh etch does not have service
238[01:58:51] <rook2pawn> ?
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240[01:59:22] <maus> whereis service , doesn't show any locations...
241[01:59:46] <dTal> just use the init script directly? /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
242[02:00:03] <maus> is that the proper way to do it ?
243[02:00:27] <maus> in etch.. ?
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248[02:02:28] <dTal> well it's the next best way after 'service' so if you don't have that then I'd say yes - but it's been a while since I was on etch, I can't promise that 'service' isn't the proper way and you've just borked your system somehow
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250[02:03:05] <dTal> 'service' just wraps the init scripts anyway
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252[02:04:11] <awal1> How to make obsession-logout display gtk logout screen dialog in my main screen/monitor (LVDS-1) instead of in the extra monitor (VGA-1)?
253[02:04:49] <maus> k, i just did cd into /etc/init.d and did a ./gdm stop thank you ... for your reply, btw, i do not like the official etch-manual...
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255[02:05:40] <awal1> obsession-logout --screen=0 or --screen=1 have no effect . dialog always shown in extra/second vga monitor
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257[02:06:13] <awal1> xrand says Screen 0 (LVDS-1)
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261[02:07:25] <awal1> well, dmmenu_ run -m 0 works (-m = monitor); why not obsession-logout?
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263[02:07:45] <TomTomTosch> awal1: did you find the --screen option in the man page? that should be --display=0
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267[02:08:21] <awal1> TomTomTosch: yes. via obsession-logout --help-all
268[02:09:34] <awal1> or --help-gtk
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274[02:11:35] <TomTomTosch> awal1: read man obsession-logout. it is --display=DISPLAY
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277[02:13:51] <awal1> TomTomTosch: did yet before trying with --screen. obsession-logout --display=0 gives Error: Cannot open display: 0
278[02:14:31] <awal1> echo $DISPLAY says :0
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280[02:15:07] <TomTomTosch> hmm. yeah, i was wrong.
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288[02:17:06] <awal1> not a big issue, just can't use that utility if my vga extra monitor if off bcuz it launches in it (in the vga monitor turned off
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290[02:17:34] <awal1> if off ^
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293[02:18:42] <TomTomTosch> you could possibly try --display=<display>.<screen>
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300[02:20:57] <awal1> Error: Cannot open display: 0.0 , 0.1 ...
301[02:20:58] <TomTomTosch> not sure about "Error: Cannot open display: 0"
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316[02:26:03] <awal1> Error: Cannot open display: 0 when displayed bcuz trying to run a given app, I no remember which one right now, I solve it with "xhost +"
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324[02:31:12] <awal1> --display=:0 works, no "Error: Cannot open display: 0" error but it still displaying in the second monitor . --display=:1, 2 ... error Error: Cannot open display: 1, 2 ...
325[02:31:22] <pcg_b> anyone familiar with wifi driver issues with realtek RTL8723BE
326[02:31:46] <TomTomTosch> awal1: --display=:0.1
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329[02:32:50] <awal1> TomTomTosch: tried yet :P same error Error: Cannot open display: :1.0 or .1 or .2 ...
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332[02:33:51] <TomTomTosch> because you only have display 0. the first number has to be 0.
333[02:33:55] <awal1> Error: Cannot open display :0.1 or .2 and so ^
334[02:34:02] <TomTomTosch> aha.
335[02:34:17] <awal1> yeah, I know, just trying :D
336[02:34:34] <awal1> i'm just lost
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339[02:35:48] <awal1> dmenu_run also have option -m (monitor) for chose where it displays and dmenu_run -m 0 works, dmenu_run displays in first monitor (LVDS-1) not in the extra vga-1
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343[02:36:11] <TomTomTosch> pcg_b: that firmware should be contained in the firmware-realtek package in non-free.
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345[02:37:37] <awal1> TomTomTosch: ok, thanks for your time. I give up today. dinner+movie time. looks like obsession is not popular in google
346[02:37:56] <TomTomTosch> no problem and good luck.
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348[02:38:20] <awal1> I may e.mail the maintainer and bother bit :P
349[02:38:28] <awal1> bother a bit
350[02:38:30] <pcg_b> TomTomTosch, yes, it is, I did the install and all the utils show the device name matches the driver being used.
351[02:39:11] <pcg_b> I was wondering if there is a config file or something where varaibles can be set?
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353[02:40:39] <TomTomTosch> pcg_b: i doubt it. what's your issue?
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356[02:42:36] <pcg_b> TomTomTosch, before I did the install, the wifi connection did not show up along with the ethernet, now it does, only shows it as being off.
357[02:42:59] <pcg_b> when I turn it on it breifly says unavailable then turns back off.
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360[02:43:12] <TomTomTosch> where do you turn it on?
361[02:45:01] <pcg_b> clicking on the network taskbar icon, a box pops up with with a slider for on or off for wireless and and slider for wired connectiions
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364[02:46:41] <TomTomTosch> pcg_b: which kernel driver was loaded? lspci -vvnn | grep -i network -A 12
365[02:47:08] <TomTomTosch> also, do you have a physical switch on your laptop?
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368[02:47:54] <pcg_b> Kernel driver in use: rtl8723be
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373[02:50:10] <pcg_b> I don't see a switch.
374[02:50:18] <pcg_b> I'll get the manual to double check.
375[02:50:34] <pcg_b> it does work under windows.
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386[02:57:28] <TomTomTosch> pcg_b: which version of debian are you running?
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431[03:21:26] <maus> does somebody has experienced , and solved the blanking screen issue in Natty ?
432[03:21:53] <missmbob> !ubuntu
433[03:21:53] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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479[03:56:00] <yellow> any comments on the jabra stealth bluetooth headset?
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481[03:57:06] <yellow> replaced-url
482[03:57:13] <yellow> any ideas what anti eardrum damage is?
483[03:57:23] <yellow> what kind of technology is that?
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485[03:57:36] <missmbob> !ot
486[03:57:36] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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489[04:01:11] <somiaj> yellow: there is ##hardware if you wish to continue to talk about hardware.
490[04:01:32] <dTal> yes, imagine the chaos
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601[05:55:13] <UUID02> best way to create ssh/sftp jails? :)
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607[06:06:12] <asterismo_m> hi
608[06:06:34] <asterismo_m> i need help, i have a system with https broken
609[06:06:47] <AlexLikeRock> !ask
610[06:06:48] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
611[06:07:02] <asterismo_m> firefox, apt-get, certificate problems everywhere because of https
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613[06:07:25] <AlexLikeRock> check your DATE and time
614[06:07:31] <AlexLikeRock> day
615[06:07:32] <AlexLikeRock> month
616[06:07:35] <AlexLikeRock> year
617[06:08:24] <Ooze> I'm having difficulty mapping a file share via fstab. It's btrfs and on a new NAS. Currently using replaced-url
618[06:08:36] <Ooze> I've tried this with and without /volume1
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624[06:10:43] <Ooze> I'm getting the error: mount: special device //192.168.1.120/volume1/drive does not exist
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627[06:12:06] <Rusty1_> Ooze: can you ping that ip (dumb question, but had to ask)
628[06:12:11] <Ooze> yes
629[06:13:36] <Rusty1_> can you mount it otherwise?
630[06:13:51] <Ooze> How so? I was able to in the GUI but it's in a weird path
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632[06:14:25] <chomwitt> how can i find the depedencies that a newer not installed package has
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636[06:15:26] <chomwitt> i was trying apt-cache showpkg but show depedencies the installed version (if you have the package)
637[06:15:26] <Rusty1_> Ooze: you are able to mount and browse via the gui app?
638[06:15:36] <Ooze> yes
639[06:16:22] <somiaj> chomwitt: apt-cache show packagename should show all versions availble in your sources and the installed version
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641[06:18:53] <chomwitt> somiaj: i want to see the depedencies that the non-installed version has
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645[06:22:13] <somiaj> chomwitt: yes apt-cache show shows ALL versions available.
646[06:22:24] <somiaj> chomwitt: you do need to have it avaialble in your soruces.list and have ran apt-get update.
647[06:23:18] <somiaj> make sure you look at the whole output, and find the version you are interested in
648[06:23:49] <Rusty1_> somiaj: would apt-cache depends <package> work?
649[06:24:27] <somiaj> Rusty1_: maybe package=version or something like that, if there are multiple versions availble I'm unsure which one gets outputtted for that
650[06:24:47] <somiaj> I just know that apt-cache show lists multiple versions if they are avilable. You just have to scroll up/down through the output.
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652[06:25:57] <themill> You can also use "apt-cache show package/release" to see just one version
653[06:26:09] <Ooze> Any ideas Rusty1_ ?
654[06:26:50] <chomwitt> somiaj: thaks!!
655[06:27:39] <chomwitt> somiaj: you'r right i was trying with showpkg and now show, show shows all versions and theirs deps
656[06:27:57] <chomwitt> now->and not
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662[06:33:49] <Rusty1_> Ooze: mount in a terminal shows what mountpoint etc
663[06:34:02] <Ooze> What should I use?
664[06:34:20] <Ooze> 'sudo rsync -pauv --progress -e ssh /media/backup harley@192.168.1.20:/volume1/drive/Michigan' has been working fine
665[06:34:53] <Rusty1_> if you can browse it via gui then it is mounted , where?
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667[06:36:10] <Ooze> under /run/user/
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669[06:38:58] <Rusty1_> what is the complete stanza
670[06:39:43] <Ooze> I want to automount this nas
671[06:39:49] <Ooze> on my debian installation
672[06:41:23] <Rusty1_> you are not chatting from the host that is attempting to use fstab toautomountitnow?
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674[06:43:24] <Ooze> no
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692[07:05:03] <Ooze> no
693[07:05:04] <Ooze> such
694[07:05:07] <Ooze> directory
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703[07:14:29] <Weeezy> anyone awake?
704[07:14:51] <AlexLikeRock> yes
705[07:14:55] <AlexLikeRock> alwys
706[07:14:58] <AlexLikeRock> ask
707[07:15:14] <Weeezy> I'm looking at router channels, wondering if the router picks a channel and all devices use that same channel? any thoughts?
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710[07:16:24] <Weeezy> kind of off topic.
711[07:16:35] <Weeezy> I"m trying to get me router to connect consistently.
712[07:16:53] <Weeezy> it's find under windows but under debian it's inconsistent.
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714[07:17:13] <AlexLikeRock> why ?
715[07:17:24] <AlexLikeRock> must work fine at debian too
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717[07:17:42] <AlexLikeRock> maybe you have descofigurated somting
718[07:18:04] <Weeezy> I wish that were the case. but not yet.
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722[07:20:50] <Weeezy> I was hoping I could find an option to turn off the faster protocols in the router itself, but that does not appear to be possible on this particular brand.
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795[08:14:23] <flvzsch50> Greetings. I'm new to Debian and Linux in general.. though hoping I may still be helped,or figure this out eventually... I am trying and hoping to get some basic (?) more-or-less automated IDS and other monitoring systems setup, on this box for now, kindof experimenting and nothing matters too much, but I hope to eventually get somewhat of an overview of files and if any eventual changes are made
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798[08:14:47] <flvzsch50> ..to be alerted properly, as well as be able to monitor network and disk data r/w .. and,
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801[08:16:00] <flvzsch50> I tried running this supposedly basic automated security auditing tool, Yasat, ("simple stupid audit tool"), and it's reporting... quite a lot of issues, everything from unused paths (I dno what it's for, so it may have a point) to weird permissions etc. I think I should check out,or potentially familiarize myself with..
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803[08:17:11] <flvzsch50> buuut.. I guess this may sound weird as I'm kinda to new Linux, but I wish to deal with this.. I've used Linux boxes before but only over Putty pretty much. Right now I have one old box dedicated for this (with gui (lxde)), and (almost identical setup on) an other running as a vbox guest (win10 host)..
804[08:17:24] <flvzsch50> ...if I run in 'screen' , or normal terminal command input/output..
805[08:17:34] <flvzsch50> is there a way to store everything (including the output?
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807[08:19:01] <flvzsch50> Using the automated sec. audit tool Yasat it lists page upon page of recommendations and info I may wanna check out, but it's so much... hm? I know to write direct output to file like "command >> out_file" but not much beyond this, such as when it requires input to enable it to continue writing the output (depending on what-if any- input I've given it)
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809[08:20:45] <flvzsch50> sry for much text..,and being newb or if appearing dumb or whatever. Just thougth I'd ask here meanwhile trying to dig up other ways to do this... unsure iif this is a good way to start trying to learn basic security and get more into watching and assuring continuous integrity of files and monitoring network data/traffic and disk activity (r/w .. ).. thought some "basic" tools like thsee IDS (tig
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813[08:21:15] <flvzsch50> ..tiger, tripwire,samhain .. ), maybe Snort or something on the box itself as well, maybe even other things.. mainly to learn.
814[08:21:46] <xar-> I'd likely be faced with a somewhat existential dilemma: "how can I build a truly secure environment if I don't understand the environment and am unable to interpret the data provided by tools I don't understand"
815[08:22:56] <flvzsch50> lol, yeah.. I guess.. do you really think I should (or maybe more accurately, be somewhat required) to put much effort into learning many of the other aspects of Linux before this stuff? Would it to be..like, Alot of good (makin stuff easier), or..
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817[08:24:04] <flvzsch50> I'm kinda stuck reading up online and stuff (for now anyway), tutorials and such get boring pretty quick (or maybe im just lazy &/or dumb.. :d ).. was hoping to get started without being an expert on all this first..:x and also,having control of and messing with this stuff (security mainly,in various forms..) is kindof what's motivating me to do all this (wanting to emigrate from Win .. )
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821[08:25:50] <flvzsch50> Also if anyone would have a suggestion for some iptables management tool..that'd be great!.. I mean for example some custom secure rules with "interactive learning" --if these is such a thing asin some software firewalls on Windows.. something somewhat simple, yet not That simple but enabling me to quickly switch full iptables setup to... for example enabling chaining of VPN connections &/or proxy
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826[08:26:39] <rdococ> corrong.
827[08:26:46] <flvzsch50> ..proxies, or a simple (default?) more strict deny-all, and similar for certain purposes, or routing rules .. I don't even know where to start and my guesses (playing around) is prolly gonna end up being bad :s ..also many of the preconfigured fws/ids with rules etc. are,like..massive..
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832[08:27:20] <xar-> I think besides the technical gaps due to your inexperience, you're trying to solve for... a lot. IDS. EDR. Holistic analysis. People spend their entire careers building solutions for each one of these components.
833[08:27:46] <flvzsch50> sorry. to the more basic again, if anyone could tell--if this is possible-- how could I record ALL terminal output (regardless of input, and continued no matter what input (even ctrl^c possible ? )
834[08:28:07] <xar-> Not sure how popular this response will be, but do you have the money to outsource the solution? There are various vendors who could do these things for you.
835[08:29:09] <flvzsch50> hm :x yeah im afraid it is indeed kinda complicated, lol , heh :/ ..I do wanna get into some of this sooner rather than later though,even if I won't be good at it or possibly even risk adding insecurity by lack of proper application.. this (well, potential for, at least:) fine-grained and advanced control seems very cool to know.. =]
836[08:30:08] <flvzsch50> oh...well, I guess I could.. but then could that be trusted? Also, my end goal will be to get knowledge on my own to enable creative solutions -- I believe in security by layering multiple things.. as needed, not trusting any one thing, and being creative (things being unexpected to a potential adversary)
837[08:31:04] <flvzsch50> also, while I may be able to waste some cash here and there, even if easy adn acecptable etc. will not be exploiting people (under-paid, abused, .. such kinda "outsourcing") , and not sure if I can trust any others nor expect to learn much from that..hm
838[08:31:37] <xar-> hopefully I don't trigger a holy war by saying this, but I think you should explore CentOS, which ships SELinux in a very "consumable" manner. SELinux is a form of mandatory access control--I'd recommend learning that first. The move on to say... familiarizing yourself with auditd's capabilities.
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840[08:32:58] <xar-> I believe Debian has some documentation surrounding SELinux implementation/installation, but honestly, seems like a lot of work versus a pre-baked OS solution from Red Hat
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842[08:33:25] <flvzsch50> oh.. k. much aprecciated, thanks for the tip! COS was actually one I was considering looking closer at the coming time.. may just do that sooner rather than later, then! Not all sure where to start, with what.. even with distro(s) yet, network setup/layout and all.. sounds so overly complicated at times:P =) Thanks again
843[08:33:48] <xar-> you're incredibly fragmented, it's my pleasure, just focus.
844[08:33:49] <flvzsch50> k..
845[08:33:52] <flvzsch50> sorry
846[08:33:53] <flvzsch50> :)
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852[08:34:53] <xar-> Security is Hard^TM, you might find during your travels that it's easier to outsource to professionals, for instance, Alert Logic, Crowdstrike, Symantec, Sophos, etc.
853[08:35:05] <xar-> (Dislaimer: I work for *none* of these companies and have no horses in any race.)
854[08:35:19] <xar-> s/Dislaimer/Disclaimer/
855[08:36:08] <flvzsch50> I'm afraid is those "professionals" can really be trusted, or if it's just a matter of cash (being offered to them) possibly, and.. if any good ideas in some way for example, or any way to monetize on any tricks, be expecting them to exploit it fully (honest about that or not.. :s)
856[08:36:29] <flvzsch50> I guess I may sound kinda paranoid to a lotta (most?) ppl though..heh.. :]
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862[08:37:56] <xar-> I don't mean to be offensive, and don't take it as such, but it doesn't sound paranoid as much as it sounds childish with no basis in fact.
863[08:38:13] <flvzsch50> I would use some of those pre-made custom security solutons, rules/signatures or such for use with packet inspection/firewall filtering n such prolly. Eventually, in the inner-most network(s) and my own, local (physical-access) boxes I'd like to keep secure i hope to come up with some.. whatever; creative solution and nested in layers according to need (security) and in ways ppl prolly won't expec
864[08:38:26] <flvzsch50> ..nor be able to break em al
865[08:38:36] <flvzsch50> oh.. why you think so..?
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867[08:39:21] <flvzsch50> I kinda acknowledge (unless this makes me sound even more paranoid, or stuipd, lol ..:p) that I indeed can't ever be totally safe, either.. and if someone want to get to me bad enough they can (mainly authorities in that case, and like serious crime cases only Id think)
868[08:40:49] <flvzsch50> ..if that's what you meant. Maybe not.. If not, I don't think it's paranoid nor over-reacting (?), and actually is one of -if not The- main reason I'd like to move away from Windows; being able to follow and monitor things more closely, have more control of my own stuff, and..hopefully eventually at least, being able to manage it myself and not depend on trust from various third-parties
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870[08:41:19] <xar-> Any Managed security vendor worth their salt will take your data privacy very seriously and often will provide you weekly/monthly reports, have various compliance certificates, and can be very proactive. I suggest communicating with the vendors if any of that interests you.
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872[08:42:54] <flvzsch50> hm..yeah.. but that's like..totally rich-person kinda game, I'd have to dish out a lil fortune on a regular basis I think,besides trusting their (likely not all that customized and variable...some standards just reaching their certification) and being with any one big provider,if attacked, could make me vulnerable as well (if any vulnerability discovered thru targeted attack of an other of their
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875[08:44:02] <flvzsch50> ..customers, for example..), and I think it'd much depend on money i'd pay them how much they'd really care about keeping my data secure. Aaand.. not that I have so much seriously horribly terrible to hide.., but I don't really trust (m)any others... only to varyign degree... If enabled, I'd be afraid they'd exfiltrate data or sensitive bits to potentially use against me (leverage, blackmail, $$$
876[08:46:27] <flvzsch50> I guess I could kinda achieve a similar level of security by paying people to secure my Windows computers as well, layering it in multiple networks with advanced (super-expensive) routers with continuously updating security features (on outer/inner parts the known malware signatures,IDS rules and such (to identify malicious activity, block "bad" hosts etc), run as non-admin and setup very strict p
877[08:47:14] <flvzsch50> ..policies and stuff.. except I think Ive got increasing reason not to trust Microsoft (I mean, much less so than ever before..), and they seem to be doing shady things :/ lol..hm.. i dunno.
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879[08:49:03] <flvzsch50> I'm kinda worried that even if, eventually, "enough" people were to migrate over to and heavily popularize linux and create demand for things bringing even more incentive (like,enabling ppl to easily play games well, and such..), .. it's just a matter of time till we've got widespread mass-exploitation and surveillance of so many more linux boxes aswell.. (as it seems, ifnot is actively pursued, m
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881[08:49:17] <flvzsch50> ..may easily be (and thus,likely is..), in case of MS Windows I mean).
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883[08:50:21] <flvzsch50> maybe I'm expecting too much, or something impossible even.. always requiring using something.. "unusual", and by that limiting all the "fun" and other capabilities of it.. including leaving it open to .. uncertainties (insecurities) if not knowing it sufficiently
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885[08:52:11] <flvzsch50> i've actually thought about buying like.. chinese hardware and such for related reasons,lol, but unfortuantely I'm too newb to computers in general I think,electronics and such, to really tell if that'd actually be much safer or likely many of the same vulns (assuming many of the same things would work, too.. ) - hearing each party is setting up "their" (local) hardware with their own monitoring t
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888[08:52:39] <flvzsch50> ..tools, enabling or encouraging various flaws (backdoors) different ways,weakening encryption .. etc
889[08:53:19] <flvzsch50> pft. im sorry. may be im just.. trying to achieve toom uch, and overly worryign about things I may not be able to fix, or even tell is worthy ever worrying about anyway either .. :d =]
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891[08:53:33] <flvzsch50> ..centos tho,nice tip--I think..possible! Many thanx, once more. :]
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893[08:56:47] <flvzsch50> Sry; that was alot of text, eh. 'Scuse my poor english too-sorry.To provide some context,seeing I likely won't have much of it answer anyway--consider me trash and scum and wish me dead all you like;but,I happen to indulge in the consumption of iliicit drugs, personal use only.. for as long as I can remember,even.Increasing attention from the authorities are making me paranoid.. I don't think its
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896[08:58:06] <flvzsch50> ..all That over-kill, either, my precautions and efears I mean. I think they are, wayyyy out of proportion, exaggerating, not me.. (like... having my google searches from years back, numerous emails, whatnot. ... ) for some minor drug violations, search & seizures,warrants, .. uggh. sounds crazy, and i don't feel im doing anything wrong or deserve all that, for..not harming anyone (else).I guess w
897[08:59:03] <xormor> flvzsch50, is VPN any good?
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902[09:00:10] <flvzsch50> sure, or at least it would complicate tracking and prooving anything. Actually,thanks for mentioning it I guess, but I've already numerous openvpn connections setup in various ways, usually, with various relays in start-middle-end depending on need (and,at times,resources..
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904[09:01:58] <flvzsch50> btw. if into that kinda stuff, may check out sites like webhostingtalk,budget vps or such,.. I think particularly kvm, xen and such are good for security when chaining VPNs, to enable FDE with "dead man's switches" and basically making disk inaccessible to others quickly (keys stored in memory,requiring login at boot); various means of payment (bitcoin being a popular known one), u may find such h
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906[09:02:44] <flvzsch50> ..hosts both accepting bitcoin ("anonymous payment" 8more or less anyway,depending on efforts.. ) and that enables you to load ur own os and remote terminal access, and while possibly not getting ur own ipv4 addy as cheap,
907[09:03:20] <flvzsch50> there are hosts offering VPS for like $1-3 per year (yes, year!--lol,kinda suspicious indeed..), if you can accept an ipv6 addy and a lil range of ports to use only,
908[09:04:37] <flvzsch50> but with kvm or xen I think may potentially be quite safe, especcialy if chaining the VPNs in some clever manner.. (like, a "securely carded" one amidst a chain, with various visiting compromised boxes in non-cooperative states (iran, china--universities, .mil-equivalent hosts, etc), and one or two exit relays being some normal dsl connection preferrably in a way that seesm credible is actually yo
909[09:04:41] <flvzsch50> ..you (trying to hide..)
910[09:05:40] <flvzsch50> in fact, I'd expect most commercial VPN providers, claiming "no logs" or whatever stupid useless claims they can make and typically do, those assumed "best" (whatever that really means to msot people..), are actually govt and or criminals, and are having The massive benefit of peoples trust in them...
911[09:06:04] <wewlad> funny spam
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914[09:06:41] <flvzsch50> same with ... endless apps for phones etc.., along with the public proxy lists.. anyone think there are huge hoards of ppl doing this as charitable work,247.. nah, pretty sure its all setup with intent, to log.. some commercial-looking trustworthy ones just adds to the vulnerability of customers if trusting such more for those reasons
915[09:06:54] <wewlad> oh wait, it's a human afterall..?
916[09:07:20] <flvzsch50> what, me? sorry; if talkin too much..ha.. :z .. ifso sry n say if u'd like me to shuddup, then.. :.-]
917[09:08:33] <flvzsch50> i mean, them apps in "app store"-equivalent for phones etc.... pretty sure like..well, most..few don't? .. are actually logging users data, and occasionally usign their "third party, unaffiliated advertisers" and such (they claim to fund the whole thing thanks to) are actually just excuses to, as they see fit, do things like packet injection (profile browsers and inject malicious script to xploit
918[09:08:48] <flvzsch50> ..browser exploits for targets of interest, for example), id expect
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920[09:10:34] <flvzsch50> ..such things.... personally wouldn't trust any one vpn provider or software, or any one kinda service of product.. they are however good for what they appear as, and if you could make someone believe that's all there is,and not be aware of ur potential knowledge of other/more extensive means of hiding and obscuring from view.. a connection to a commercial provider could idd serve its purpose a
921[09:11:39] <xar-> flvzsch50: please be respectful to the channel, join #debian-offtopic if you want to continue your discussion, thanks
922[09:11:43] <flvzsch50> ..as well. Trust them to actually keep the data safe though..? Imo. madness.. just a matter of time in most cases, though likely very unlikely to be an issue to most individuals anyway... just being a large provider makes them a target, for example... and many other reasons id wanna avoid trusting too much as one of few solutions alone, besides serving some purpose unknown
923[09:12:10] <flvzsch50> o..k..sorry, didn't mean to be disrespectful or anything. sorry I talk too much anyawy I guess.. I'll check that other chan out. Thanks.
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966[09:48:04] <critias> running jessie. can't find bastille package. any other options?
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1007[10:20:34] <osmanc> .
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1010[10:22:09] <deemel> critias yeah seems like the links to the debian port are dead. The debian manual points towards Harden, but I guess you found that already
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1014[10:25:50] <unborn> regards vpn, i dont really get why people here moan, its less then 5 minutes to set up your very own vpn with your very own rules in your home or some cheap vps
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1020[10:28:56] <maus> /cycle
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1032[10:39:13] <at0m> ,v bastille
1033[10:39:14] <judd> No package named 'bastille' was found in amd64.
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1038[10:41:05] <temuccio> Hello all...Exist a wiki for create a hardware usb key for statup a server linux? I need a key to confirm that the server linux start on specific hardware
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1043[10:44:06] <unborn> temuccio: you can just mount usb stick to the system and then put records into fstab.. once stick is removed system will not boot...that is quiet primitive solution however if you need something aka signed hardware then someone else perhaps know the answer..
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1045[10:44:18] <SlaSerX> hi
1046[10:44:22] <SlaSerX> i have a litle problem
1047[10:44:32] <SlaSerX> i have 2 lan card and 2 ip address with /30
1048[10:44:53] <SlaSerX> but when i try add static route on second card i dont have ping to the second ip address
1049[10:46:19] <Rephlexie> missing lo entry?
1050[10:46:22] <temuccio> thanks unborn
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1055[10:48:06] <unborn> temuccio: but keep in mind that you will have to use precisely same usb key, if you would want to change that usb key, then you have to remove old one from fstab and then add new one..
1056[10:48:09] <SlaSerX> replaced-url
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1058[10:48:18] <SlaSerX> my default gw is 92.247.168.65
1059[10:48:32] <SlaSerX> i want to add static route 92.247.168.93
1060[10:48:40] <SlaSerX> for second ethernet with ip 92.247.168.94
1061[10:48:43] <SlaSerX> i try with
1062[10:48:53] <SlaSerX> route add -net 92.247.168.94 netmask 255.255.255.252 gw 92.247.168.93
1063[10:49:20] <SlaSerX> route: netmask doesn't match route address
1064[10:49:25] <SlaSerX> but 92.247.168.94 is /30
1065[10:50:54] <xk> hmmm
1066[10:51:14] <xk> so .93 is isp router?
1067[10:51:19] <SlaSerX> yeah
1068[10:51:21] <SlaSerX> i use .93 for GW
1069[10:51:31] <SlaSerX> but default gw is ip for 1 lan card
1070[10:52:03] <xk> so .66 is the other /30?
1071[10:52:38] <Rephlexie> damn,, hmmm
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1075[10:55:22] <xk> SlaSerX: you need two route tables. Read this for more info - replaced-url
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1078[10:55:53] <SlaSerX> yeah is other /30
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1083[10:56:04] <genoobie> jim,
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1098[11:04:26] <SlaSerX> xk
1099[11:04:27] <SlaSerX> thx
1100[11:04:32] <SlaSerX> its work now
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1135[11:34:50] <StezischX> hi there
1136[11:35:27] <StezischX> am having a problem connecting to my vnc server.. am getting a grey screen
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1160[11:54:27] <yotam> How do I load missing firemware after installation?
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1163[11:55:37] <jim> yotam, what firmware, for what device?
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1165[11:56:01] <jim> also what dist of linux?
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1169[11:56:33] <jim> oh, didn't realize where I was...
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1173[11:57:22] <jim> ok, you can try apt-get install linux-firmware-free linux-firmware-nonfree (for the latter you might need to alter your sources.list)
1174[11:57:29] <n4dir> in general you go to wiki.debian.org , put the device you need help with in the searchbox, and follow the instructions
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1177[11:58:17] <n4dir> usually that is straight forward
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1183[12:02:00] <maus> Hi, where may find some help with my Natty installation if #debian (missmbob) refuses to help ... ? Ubuntu-channel refuses as well, in good old ubuntu-irc-tradition
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1187[12:03:34] <babilen> maus: #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server are the channels you want. You could also ask in ##linux or any of the many more specific channels. Or: Install Debian and seek support in here.
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1189[12:04:18] <maus> babilen: #ubuntu refuses..., my words a just a blow in air to you ?
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1191[12:04:36] <babilen> That doesn't change the fact that Ubuntu users are supported in there
1192[12:04:49] <maus> f u c k , you are right !
1193[12:05:13] <babilen> Please keep it friendly and on-topic in here. I tried to help by pointing out relevant channels.
1194[12:05:47] <maus> babilen: you are not helping , but obstructing me.., i am out .
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1201[12:07:50] <jim> maus, the problem is that debian doesn't necessarily keep track of the changes ubuntu makes, so any answer they give could be flawed... you want to get help from the people who actually do keep track
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1203[12:08:24] <babilen> #debian supports Debian .. it is as easy as that
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1205[12:08:47] <maus> jim, i am okay with that, but #ubuntu does not help on EOL-releases at all, but tell to upgrade...
1206[12:09:07] <jim> so why not upgrade?
1207[12:09:18] <babilen> Feel free to continue this in #ubuntu
1208[12:09:56] <maus> jim, i am here to ask a question, is my mouth only good for producing flows of empty words ?
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1213[12:11:03] <babilen> maus: Please take it to #ubuntu and at least try to be friendly. We are all volunteers and natty *is* ancient.
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1229[12:22:36] <at0m> babilen: got a pc from a buddy with natty on it last week. upgrade path looked way harsh, so upgraded the machine to debian o/
1230[12:22:50] <at0m> s/upgraded/installed
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1262[12:43:02] <Elirips> Hello. Is it possible to install gcc5 parallel to the already installed gcc4 in debian jessie?
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1264[12:43:41] <somiaj> Elirips: possible yes, but there are no premade packages for this and it may require a lot of work.
1265[12:43:44] <somiaj> ,v gcc5
1266[12:43:53] <judd> No package named 'gcc5' was found in amd64.
1267[12:44:10] <somiaj> ,v gcc-5
1268[12:44:11] <judd> Package: gcc-5 on amd64 -- stretch: 5.4.1-4; sid: 5.4.1-4
1269[12:44:36] <towo`> hm?
1270[12:44:41] <hexnewbie> Elirips: A chroot with stretch might be a better option?
1271[12:45:29] <Elirips> I have a perfectly running jessie machine, and I would like to use it to build some stuff that requires gcc5. I can either #ifdef CPP_14 .. #endif, or try to install gcc5..
1272[12:45:41] <Elirips> hexnewbie: that sounds very interesting
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1275[12:46:20] <babilen> dpkg: tell Elirips -about debootstrap
1276[12:46:25] <babilen> dpkg: tell Elirips about schroot
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1280[12:48:12] <Elirips> thanks for the inputs, I'll try with [s]chroot. Need to do some reading
1281[12:48:42] <babilen> Elirips: You might also want to consider tracking stretch right away
1282[12:48:57] <Elirips> babilen: I have here a working stretch machine
1283[12:49:03] <babilen> Right
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1285[12:49:30] <Elirips> But the machine I would like to build on, is a server machine also running other (for me important) stuff, and I dont want to switch to testing that machine
1286[12:50:25] <babilen> No, you wouldn't want that. I simply wanted to mention another option without implying that it is better or, even, advisable
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1288[12:51:06] <Elirips> from a (very quick) reading I think schroot should be perfect. All I actually need to do is a cronjob that does a checkout and then runs some cmake commands
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1293[12:52:41] <babilen> Elirips: Wonderful :)
1294[12:53:53] <Elirips> Also I remember the horrible times when I upgraded from etch to jessie and the machine was unable to boot because of the changed compression of the kernel image.. that was somehow a problem for the xen-thing the machine runs on.
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1296[12:56:00] <sim590> I have an intel 8260 wireless card and have downloaded the driver firmware-iwlwifi as suggested on replaced-url
1297[12:56:35] <sim590> nmcli device status says: wlp4s0 wifi disconnected --
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1303[12:59:16] <rdococ> why do you keep increasing that?
1304[12:59:34] <sim590> How do I fix this? I have a thinkpad t460s.
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1336[13:09:47] <sim590> Is this the wrong channel for asking questions like this?
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1338[13:10:37] <cheapie> ...and reportbug crashed. I guess that's what I get for running sid :P
1339[13:11:04] <hexnewbie> sim590: It's the right channel, but probably nobody knows the answer. I can think of one thing: Did you load and unload the module (or reboot)?
1340[13:11:17] <cheapie> Anyway, fdisk from util-linux 2.29-1 is missing a dependency on less, for the record.
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1342[13:11:34] <sim590> hexnewbie: I have rebooted. I thought it should have been sufficient.
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1344[13:11:47] <sim590> If I do ip link set wlp4s0 up, it doesn't change a thing
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1346[13:13:06] <hexnewbie> sim590: Any new dmesg errors, now that you have the firmware?
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1348[13:14:14] <hexnewbie> cheapie: reportbug sounds the one thing that shouldn't break on sid. :D
1349[13:14:48] <xormor> is there a reason for me to build applications from source codes via deb-src?
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1351[13:14:56] <xormor> how would I do it?
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1355[13:17:18] <hexnewbie> xormor: Many reasons - adding own custom patches, getting versions from sid/stretch compiled on Jessie, getting versions not in Debian (e.g. the new freetype has a new must-have uglier rendering, which everyone loves). ‘apt-get source’ to get the source, and something to build it (I use debuild because I don't know other ways, not sure if it is a reasonable way)
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1357[13:18:18] <babilen> sim590: What happens if you bring the interface up?
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1359[13:18:37] <sim590> hexnewbie: I don't see error messages. Only that replaced-url
1360[13:18:45] <sim590> babilen: I tried. Nothing happens
1361[13:19:22] <babilen> sim590: Ah, "it doesn't change a thing" -- You might want to check the rfkill status. Install rfkill and run "rfkill list"
1362[13:19:23] <SynrGy> hexnewbie: real sid users know how to send an email in the right format. no reportbug necessary.
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1364[13:20:09] <n4dir> must have been a wrong sid user then ...
1365[13:20:11] <sim590> babilen: already did this and it's not blocked.
1366[13:20:24] <babilen> sim590: And what do you mean by "it doesn't change a thing" -- What's the output of "ip a" before and afterwards? Do you expect it to connect to some wireless network?
1367[13:20:29] <hexnewbie> Also, is that stretch? The interface name looks predictable to me.
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1369[13:20:51] <babilen> It looks like a newer systemd version, yes
1370[13:21:43] <sim590> babilen: ip link set wlp4s0 down, ip a replaced-url
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1375[13:22:42] <babilen> Right, "lspci -nn|grep network" ?
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1377[13:23:18] <babilen> Argh .. telephone .. bbl
1378[13:23:22] <babilen> (sry)
1379[13:23:25] <SynrGy> grep -i probably
1380[13:23:30] <babilen> *nod*
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1382[13:23:44] <sim590> babilen: 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 [8086:24f3] (rev 3a)
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1384[13:24:47] <babilen> I guess you might need a newer kernel .. but I'd rather focus on the "real world" now :)
1385[13:25:15] <sim590> babilen: 4.8.0-2-amd64
1386[13:25:17] <SynrGy> ,pciid [8086:24f3]
1387[13:25:18] <sim590> It's quite new.
1388[13:25:20] <judd> [8086:24f3] is 'Wireless 8260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
1389[13:26:11] <SynrGy> no info there :p
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1391[13:26:34] <sim590> :D
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1394[13:27:23] <sim590> I can't believe that this is not supported. Thinkpads are the only computers debian users seemed to be using judging by what I saw from debconf 2016
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1398[13:28:55] <SynrGy> replaced-url
1399[13:29:02] <SynrGy> lists the card supported since way back
1400[13:29:34] <sim590> yeah, that's why I installed the package...
1401[13:29:40] <sim590> There must be something else.
1402[13:29:59] <sim590> But I never had so much trouble setting a wireless card up and running
1403[13:30:13] <babilen> I guess kill switch
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1405[13:31:02] <SynrGy> mhm
1406[13:31:53] <SynrGy> sim590: output from 'rfkill list', please (install the package if necessary)
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1408[13:32:24] <sim590> SynrGy:replaced-url
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1410[13:32:37] <sim590> it's not blocked.
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1413[13:33:04] <tobiasBora> Hello?
1414[13:33:22] <SynrGy> sim590: did we check dmesg for firmware loaded message? i came in late ...
1415[13:33:29] <babilen> There might be a hardware kill switch and you might want to boot with it "on" (i.e. card enabled)
1416[13:33:30] <sim590> replaced-url
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1418[13:33:42] <babilen> You might also want to ensure that you reboot after installing firmware
1419[13:33:52] <sim590> SynrGy: yes.
1420[13:33:52] <babilen> Which thinkpad is that?
1421[13:33:54] <sim590> babilen: done
1422[13:34:01] <sim590> thinkpad t460s
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1424[13:34:39] <babilen> And you are running stretch on that box?
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1427[13:35:08] <babilen> I have the same card in my laptop and it is working well
1428[13:35:15] <sim590> Yes. With some sid packages
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1430[13:35:27] <sim590> The output of lshw -c network: replaced-url
1431[13:35:33] <tobiasBora> I've a question : in the wpa_supplicant of my android device, the psk is a hex number of 32 letters. However the key I enter is not this key, it's a 8 letters words. How can I convert a passphrase to psk, and do the revert operation ?
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1441[13:42:25] <sim590> I might add that `nmcli device wifi list` shows all the wireless access point in my area.
1442[13:42:30] <sim590> It's able to scan no problem.
1443[13:42:38] <sim590> But I cannot connect.
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1446[13:44:54] <sim590> wow. it actually connected...
1447[13:45:09] <sim590> now, the interface is up...
1448[13:45:32] <critias> deemel: thnx. was having lunch.
1449[13:45:44] <sim590> I don't understand why I could not manipulate myself the interface and NetworkManager succeeded.
1450[13:45:55] <critias> can a sudoer change root password?
1451[13:46:13] <sim590> critias: yes. Do `sudo passwd`
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1453[13:47:01] <critias> can I make a user that has root privs, except change root password?
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1458[13:50:12] <hexnewbie> sim590: You can't just bring the interface up and wait it to connect. You need to bring it up, connect to a BSSID, set up authentication, and a bunch of other stuff that I've never done directly.
1459[13:50:50] <sim590> hexnewbie: I know. But when doing ip link set wlp4so up, it should show as it is up, but it was shown DOWN.
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1461[13:51:27] <sim590> also, nmcli device status was showing the interface as "disconnected"
1462[13:51:53] <hexnewbie> sim590: It did show the wireless as up in one of your pastes. It was only DOWN for networking purposes / as an interface as it hadn't connected yet. (And now I suddenly understand the difference between the UP in those two places)
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1466[13:53:38] <sim590> I guess you're right. Hmmm. Well, the nmcli device status got me confused.
1467[13:53:59] <sim590> Sorry for bothering you guys. Have a great night!
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1549[14:40:39] <Elirips> Will aptitude also respect preferences set in /etc/apt ?
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1564[14:49:11] <not_me> infamous or uncomfortable truthtellers are beeing banned, kicked and mistreated all over the world. #debian-channel does not make a difference... !
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1588[14:57:51] <LinuxNovice> is debian with xfce better and faster than xubuntu?
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1595[14:59:18] <LinuxNovice> and is debian suitable for such purposes like using it on desktops in internet browsing centres?
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1597[15:00:29] <LinuxNovice> or is it more leaning towards technically oriented persons?
1598[15:00:36] <sydney_untangle> LinuxNovice: It matters on how its set up. By default debian with xfce doesn't have *quite* as much preinstalled bloatware as ubuntu.(or so as in my opinion)
1599[15:00:43] <babilen> LinuxNovice: "better" is hard to answer, but Debian is definitely a good choice and well suited for the task you outlined
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1601[15:00:58] <picknick> LinuxNovice: you get vanilla xfce with debian, iirc xubuntu has comes with more stuff by default
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1606[15:01:59] <doublehp> is it normal that "aptitude upgrade" and "aptitude dist-upgrade" update a "hold" package, or dit I found a bug ?
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1608[15:02:46] <LinuxNovice> ok. I needed a linux based distro which I can just install and start working. Like in the case of Windows.
1609[15:03:08] <LinuxNovice> ok. what do you mean by vanilla xfce, exactly?
1610[15:03:11] <doublehp> LinuxNovice: #Ubuntu
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1614[15:03:22] <seekr> LinuxNovice: Mint will do it for you.
1615[15:04:22] <TomTomTo1> aptitude uses its own database, not the dpkg one. it ignores for example apt-mark hold settings.
1616[15:04:25] <LinuxNovice> ok. But, I don't know why. This issue of stability and security makes me to consider debian again and again.
1617[15:04:25] <seekr> Mint is based on Ubuntu, which in turn is based on Debian, LinuxNovice - has a nice interface and a choice of desktop environments
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1621[15:05:53] <_733bin> plus the sounds effects like on sciFY movies
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1623[15:06:20] <picknick> LinuxNovice: by vanilla I mean just the basics of xfce. yes, there are linux systems that are setup for browsing at malls, libraries etc.(there's one in my local shopping mall).
1624[15:06:30] <doublehp> is it normal that packages marked hold by apt-get, are upgraded by aptitude ?
1625[15:06:41] <TomTomTo1> doublehp: aptitude uses its own database, not the dpkg one. it ignores for example apt-mark hold settings.
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1628[15:07:01] <LinuxNovice> which DE is more suited for users at browsing centre? those who are accustomed to windows.
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1631[15:08:24] <doublehp> LinuxNovice: if you ONLY want to provide ONE BROWSER, then you can discard the DE itself; or use a very light one like ion2. Do you really want to provide a DE ? Even a WM may be useless in your case
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1635[15:10:18] <LinuxNovice> ok. Which distro for home use? for people of older generation? who may not be familiar with Linux?
1636[15:11:08] <babilen> LinuxNovice: Debian is a fine choice. My mother happily uses it on her laptop.
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1638[15:11:26] <LinuxNovice> ok. which DE?
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1641[15:11:43] <thereyouare> its just got 2017 here
1642[15:11:44] <babilen> Other distributions are a good choice also .. in the end, pick the one you (or the person using it) likes the most. I'd stay in the .deb ecosystem though.
1643[15:12:22] <LinuxNovice> which one is more suited for old laptops?
1644[15:12:42] <thereyouare> slackware
1645[15:12:43] <doublehp> LinuxNovice: depends how old
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1647[15:13:15] <picknick> LinuxNovice: my sister's netbook(intel atom, 1GB ram) has debian stable with xfce on it
1648[15:13:18] <babilen> LinuxNovice: XFCE is fine
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1650[15:13:28] <thereyouare> LinuxNovice: if you manage to use slackware for at least a year you will never be the same person again and never want to use any other linux
1651[15:13:28] <doublehp> LinuxNovice: old browsers for old machines won't be compatible with modern websites. Modern browsers may be too heavy for old CPU or low ram
1652[15:13:31] <LinuxNovice> ok.
1653[15:13:58] <babilen> LinuxNovice: How old exactly are we talking here?
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1655[15:14:04] <babilen> 10 years? 15?
1656[15:14:07] <LinuxNovice> 10 year old.
1657[15:14:20] <thereyouare> what is its CPU and RAM ?
1658[15:14:30] <doublehp> LinuxNovice: choices also depend if users have already used Windows or not; human factor, known habits ... are really an important criteria. You won't choose the same WM for people how have used Windows 10 y, 3y, or never
1659[15:14:31] <thereyouare> is it at least 1.6GHz and 1GB RAM ?
1660[15:14:37] <LinuxNovice> runs on Intel Celeron M single core 1.6 Ghz, 2 gb ram.
1661[15:14:45] <yokisuci> LinuxNovice: If you only want to use the browser, install something like bspwm, and remap Super + Enter to open the browser. Thought about giving Palemoon a try?
1662[15:14:58] <thereyouare> LinuxNovice: stay away from KDE
1663[15:15:02] <thereyouare> or GNOME
1664[15:15:05] <LinuxNovice> ok
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1666[15:15:24] <LinuxNovice> It was pre installed with WinXP.
1667[15:15:28] <babilen> I wouldn't want to use it, but I'd personally go with a simple window manager (fluxbox, awesomewm, openbox, ...) rather than a DE like XFCE if *all* you want is to run a webbrowser
1668[15:15:33] <doublehp> LinuxNovice: so, it also depends which internet you want to browse ... bleeding edge Facebook , or just some old webmail
1669[15:15:59] <LinuxNovice> I want a complete desktop.
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1671[15:16:04] <yokisuci> LinuxNovice: That would make it hard to do something else then browse thou. ^^ Or maybe map super + q to shutdown or something. In my experience its JavaScript that is the biggest issue with older computers. Oh ok.
1672[15:16:12] <seekr> Debian may be a bit more difficult to administer - I suggest you at least visit irc://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-chat (just click on that link) - you'll find a friendly, helpful group of people quite willing to sing the virtues of Linux Mint :)
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1674[15:16:15] <LinuxNovice> Not only browser, but many other applications also.
1675[15:16:16] <yokisuci> LinuxNovice: then install something like Xfce.
1676[15:16:19] <seekr> LinuxNovice: ^^
1677[15:16:31] <yokisuci> yokel: Jessie + xfce.
1678[15:16:47] <yokisuci> LinuxNovice: and palemoon as browser. should work OK.
1679[15:16:57] <LinuxNovice> ok.
1680[15:17:17] <LinuxNovice> how different is Mint from Debian?
1681[15:17:24] <babilen> LinuxNovice: I'd recommend to try a few setups and then pick what you like most.. You could ask questions in here all day long while it'll boil down to your preferences in the end
1682[15:17:34] <seekr> LinuxNovice: Linux Mint comes in various flavours: Cinnamon, XFCE, MATE and KDE - and you can install additional desktop environments later and switch to them at will replaced-url
1683[15:17:35] <babilen> LinuxNovice: Mint isn't supported in here
1684[15:17:39] <yokisuci> babilen: true true
1685[15:17:47] <LinuxNovice> ok.
1686[15:17:54] <dixie7z> replaced-url
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1690[15:18:16] <seekr> babilen: that's why i invited LinuxNovice to irc://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-chat :)
1691[15:18:22] <thereyouare> LinuxNovice: or you can buy aws install any OS on it and use VNC like some people do
1692[15:18:31] <yokisuci> dixie7z: :) but thinj its too dark for my taste. ^^
1693[15:18:47] <doublehp> LinuxNovice: there are flavours of Linux that can clone alomost all other known systems: Windows 95 to Windows 10 (yes, windows 10 is more recent than 95 ... their logic have always been strange to me), MacOS, Windows CE, BSD ...
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1695[15:19:15] <babilen> dpkg: tell LinuxNovice -about install debian
1696[15:19:20] <babilen> dpkg: tell LinuxNovice -about firmware image
1697[15:19:25] <thereyouare> doublehp: they removed 0. from the name, initially it was windows 0.95
1698[15:19:31] <babilen> dpkg: tell LinuxNovice -about install xfce
1699[15:19:40] <picknick> talk about information overload :p
1700[15:19:53] <doublehp> LinuxNovice: any way, you are just ignoring me, but, the easiest start remains Ubuntu
1701[15:20:24] <seekr> Mint is just as easy as Ubuntu, if not easier, LinuxNovice - replaced-url
1702[15:20:44] <thereyouare> latest Ubuntu will not run on 1.6GHz with 2GB ram smoothly, I tryed Ubuntu from 2010 on netbook atom with 1.6GHz and 2GB RAM and it was bad experience
1703[15:20:44] <doublehp> thereyouare: and, between 0.98 and 7, they inserted 2000 ?
1704[15:20:47] <babilen> LinuxNovice: Try things and make up your own mind .. discussions like this normally cause many people to state their, entirely subjective, opinion while trying to convince you to pick "their" preferred setup. It's up to you. See what you like best and stick with that.
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1706[15:20:50] <thereyouare> doublehp:
1707[15:21:03] <babilen> There typically isn't much point in this, so .. I'll shut up now
1708[15:21:09] <yokisuci> LinuxNovice: it would be alot easier if you said what spec the computer has
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1710[15:21:19] <dutchfish> !debianlove
1711[15:21:19] <dpkg> somebody said debianlove was the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see replaced-url
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1714[15:21:47] <thereyouare> doublehp: they forgot . again, initially it was 2.000
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1716[15:23:17] <thereyouare> yokisuci: he said its celeron 1.6GHz with 2GB RAM
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1718[15:23:56] <yokisuci> thereyouare: oh ok missed that part ^^
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1724[15:25:55] <_733bin> anyone to assist me on vnc server, i have a problem on connection i get a gray screen with a 'X' pointer only.. Please
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1727[15:26:46] <Achylles> how do I correct curl 7.51.0? I am using debian testing and have tried to downgrade his package, but it does not work :(
1728[15:26:59] <Achylles> I need it for lots of things...
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1733[15:28:10] <dutchfish> Achylles, you might try OFTC #debian-next, as far as i know nothing is wrong with latest curl, but check BTS first.
1734[15:28:24] <TomTomTo1> Achylles: you check apt-cache policy curl if an older version is still in the repo and if not you check replaced-url
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1740[15:30:24] <Elirips> If I run debian testing inside virtual box, should I rather use the guest additions provided by the host, which are version 5.0.3 (matching the vbox host) or the ones provided by stretch with version 5.1.12?
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1746[15:33:40] <dutchfish> Elirips, depends, on xen i prefer latest from testing the the vm, on kvm both can be used, your mileage may differ depending on your requirements.
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1748[15:34:21] <Elirips> dutchfish: hm, I run virtualbox from within windows. Both seem to work, I'm a little bit unsure
1749[15:34:47] <dutchfish> Elirips, no idea, i am not using virtualbox myself
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1751[15:35:03] <Elirips> well, I'll go with the ones from the host, if I encounter strange behavior I can try to upgrade
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1753[15:35:21] <dutchfish> Elirips, sounds fair enough
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1755[15:36:19] <dutchfish> Elirips, one warning, security is not on par in the older codes.
1756[15:36:43] <dutchfish> Elirips, but for a test rig its fine perhaps.
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1759[15:38:04] <picknick> what's this "automatic upgrades by default" thing that I've been hearing about?
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1761[15:39:30] <TomTomTo1> ,i unattended-upgrades
1762[15:39:31] <judd> Package unattended-upgrades (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: automatic installation of security upgrades. Version: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; Size: 51.7k; Installed: 355k
1763[15:39:39] <Elirips> dutchfish: yes, its not a productive machine and not exposed to the internet. just trying to make somethign compile under linux that works fine in windows
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1779[15:49:38] <Elirips> packages like libboost-filesystem will provide compiled, shared libraries, not?
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1791[15:56:46] <exa_ways> Hello
1792[15:57:11] <exa_ways> Is there a way to more detailed configure a magic trackpad in debian?
1793[15:57:54] <picknick> this is what I managed to find about it: replaced-url
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1810[16:03:22] <TomTomTo1> picknick: unattended-upgrades has been in debian for years. the links you posted talk about increasing its priority.
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1825[16:10:26] <LinuxNovice> doublehp, hi, was on a call. couldn't respond on the chat. thanks a lot for your inputs. will try some lighter DE.
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1828[16:11:37] <LinuxNovice> guys, thanks a lot for your help.
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1874[16:36:59] <maus> Does somebody by coincidence has experience with Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) with blanking the screen after some minutes of inactivity , dispite the fact that powersavings in gnome are all disabled in the GUI ? Internet is full of suggestions on this topic, but i had no success so far...
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1879[16:38:43] <maus> Installed via Text, Server & Desktop - Softwareselection...
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1881[16:39:29] <babilen> maus: We've been over this. Ask in #ubuntu, ##linux or install Debian
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1886[16:42:12] <maus> babilen: stop replying to what is not your concern, stop destroying my progress, shut up instead..., dear pall....
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1909[16:53:16] * bolt has been staring at the "hostname" part of the setup for the better part of an hour. Dammit.
1910[16:53:50] <os_> hi all, how do i use installer in debian live with expert mode?
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1912[16:54:53] <n4dir> you sure you need the expert mode? and second question: why not use a usual installation download?
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1915[16:55:59] <os_> n4dir, i use live because i use very limited internet connection so i downloaded live
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1917[16:56:24] <os_> i used to download both live and usual iso
1918[16:56:26] * zykotick9 notes the "expert" option is easy to select in with the normal netinst installation media
1919[16:56:27] <babilen> Why didn't you pick one of the CD or DVD images?
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1921[16:57:15] <os_> babilen, people here don't buy them
1922[16:57:43] <os_> i am in some place not very stable :)
1923[16:57:56] <babilen> But you could still use it
1924[16:58:14] <babilen> Are you asking this because you want to sell this to other people ?
1925[16:58:20] <os_> no
1926[16:58:34] <babilen> So, why does it matter what other people buy?
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1928[16:59:03] <babilen> I'd hope that one could start the expert mode installer from a live CD, but I haven't used it and can't really tell you how
1929[16:59:11] <os_> babilen, i think you were talking about buying it without download
1930[16:59:18] <babilen> Nor am I under the impression that the live images are particularly suitable for installing debian
1931[16:59:40] <os_> mmm
1932[16:59:44] <babilen> os_: No, I was referring to the *installer* images as opposed to the *live* images
1933[16:59:53] <babilen> dpkg: cd images
1934[16:59:53] <dpkg> There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See replaced-url
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1936[17:00:01] <n4dir> i think so too. And i also think the the experte mode isn't needed in many cases (merely asking if you are sure you really need it, not stating it)
1937[17:01:22] <os_> babilen, mmm, both live and installable was needed, so i picked live...
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1939[17:01:47] <os_> anyway thanks guys, i just asked it for installing debian without desktop
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1943[17:02:36] <os_> i will spend some time removing desktop packages.... no problem
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1945[17:03:25] <n4dir> if you install debian without destkop, there won't be much desktop packages you can remove later (rather none)
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1947[17:03:51] <thereyouare> its ear or so since Merdok died
1948[17:04:00] <os_> n4dir, can i do it from live?
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1950[17:04:22] <thereyouare> and now no more leia
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1953[17:04:49] <n4dir> do what? (well: i probably won't know. I really recommend to use a different media to install debian, not the liveCD)
1954[17:04:57] <os_> ok
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1956[17:05:22] <TomTomTo1> os_: during installation you can decide which tasks to install or not. simply uncheck the desktop environment option if you need to.
1957[17:05:23] <os_> mmm, i mean installing without desktop
1958[17:05:52] <os_> TomTomTo1, in expert mode, right?
1959[17:06:02] <n4dir> pretty sure you can do it from the liveCD too, very sure you can do it from a usual medium
1960[17:06:15] <TomTomTo1> os_: nope, regular installer too.
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1963[17:07:03] <n4dir> hence my doubt that you really need the expert mode of the installer. Not sure what exactly it does, but the usual installer already has lots of options (and the ones usually needed)
1964[17:07:56] <os_> n4dir, installer doesnt show me desktop tasks
1965[17:08:04] <os_> or locales..
1966[17:08:20] <os_> anyway, thanks guys!
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1968[17:08:40] <n4dir> it comes at the end of the installation (selecting the different tasks like [*] desktop ; ssh, printer, etc)
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1970[17:10:07] <os_> n4dir, i have installed this many times, it didn't :(
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1973[17:10:11] <os_> it is debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop
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1975[17:10:52] <os_> however, it is live..
1976[17:11:01] <n4dir> my fault then, i hardly know the live-installation (tried it once or twice, but it's too long ago)
1977[17:11:18] <os_> no problem
1978[17:12:21] <os_> i remember i have look for it hardly
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2044[17:48:52] <Duser> suggestions for a weather app that will run in my taskbar?
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2050[17:51:16] <Duser> I have this on my work laptop but I just can't remember the name of it.
2051[17:52:20] <n4dir> which desktop environment?
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2067[18:02:13] <Duser> cinnamon
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2070[18:02:43] <Duser> Sorry, I thought everyone was busy so I wasn't watching closely
2071[18:03:22] <n4dir> ah. i found a plugin for xfce. but that is probably of no use with cinnamon
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2073[18:03:54] <thereyouare> xf or ce
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2075[18:04:21] <BadCodSmell> hello i work in a hospital in belgium
2076[18:04:32] <BadCodSmell> 7 people have just died because of an error in ntpd
2077[18:04:37] <thereyouare> dealing with bandages ?
2078[18:04:37] <Duser> hello
2079[18:04:41] <BadCodSmell> i really need urgent help
2080[18:04:54] <Duser> wrong channel. we can't help you.
2081[18:04:58] <BadCodSmell> no matter what i do the ntpd still uses the pool and ntp2.belbone.be
2082[18:05:00] <thereyouare> BadCodSmell: you mean that exploit that was released month or two ago ?
2083[18:05:04] <towo`> Duser, replaced-url
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2088[18:05:21] <bolt> Booting a debian installation with an encrypted lvm, I get several errors about the boot process not finding the LVM, and *then* it prompts me for the passphrase. Is it possible to remedy this somehow? Just to satisfy my OCD?
2089[18:05:22] <BadCodSmell> how can i force it to use a specific known working ntp server?
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2092[18:05:54] <BadCodSmell> ive tried the server directive but when i query it it is still using the fault ntp server
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2094[18:05:56] <thereyouare> BadCodSmell: are you serous about 7 people died ?
2095[18:06:02] <BadCodSmell> yes
2096[18:06:07] <thereyouare> because of ntpd ?
2097[18:06:10] <BadCodSmell> and possibly more unless this is fixed
2098[18:06:19] <bolt> eh?
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2100[18:06:26] <BadCodSmell> ntp being a day ahead means people get a days worth of meds in one go in some cases
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2102[18:06:32] <BadCodSmell> i dont know who get it up like that
2103[18:06:40] <BadCodSmell> but lives are at stake now
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2105[18:06:55] <BadCodSmell> the ntp server is broke and th ntpd daemons wont comply to basic configuration
2106[18:06:57] <thereyouare> "days worth of meds ", who did set it up like that ?
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2108[18:07:09] <Ooze> Something is consuming all the space on my / partition, how can I check what large recent files have been written?
2109[18:07:11] <bolt> a hospital time server set up by people who didn't configure ntpd correctly?
2110[18:07:11] <BadCodSmell> i dont know cheapest bid i guess
2111[18:07:15] <Ooze> I think some torrents resumed or something
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2113[18:07:49] <n4dir> Ooze: find might be an idea, but isn't that easy
2114[18:08:06] <thereyouare> Ooze: you can use find with options to search for files created recently
2115[18:08:14] <Ooze> nvm I got it
2116[18:08:15] <BadCodSmell> the question is why when i put server xyz-com iburst it still selects some server it thinks is geographically nearer but that is a day ahead?
2117[18:08:15] <Ooze> thx
2118[18:08:16] <n4dir> shooting in the dark, first idea which came to my mind, don't be mad at me ...
2119[18:08:33] <bolt> BadCodSmell: dhcp?
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2122[18:09:10] <thereyouare> Ooze: find / -type f -mtime 1
2123[18:09:13] <bolt> BadCodSmell: why does this thing have internet access anyway?
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2127[18:09:53] <thereyouare> you shouldn't rely lives on internet
2128[18:10:01] <thereyouare> Ooze: find / -type f -mtime 1
2129[18:10:40] <thereyouare> BadCodSmell: disable any time synchronization, who cares if clock goes wrong for a second per year, at least it will not go wrong a day like now
2130[18:10:56] <BadCodSmell> its ok i managed to work out the problem
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2133[18:11:17] <BadCodSmell> its not the client ignoring the config directive it's somewhere down the chain someone getting confused with the update/monkey patch
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2135[18:11:42] <BadCodSmell> because ntp loves to alternat between p/q/d/g and other extremely similar letters
2136[18:11:46] <BadCodSmell> phew
2137[18:11:52] <BadCodSmell> that saves around 150 lives
2138[18:11:53] <thereyouare> BadCodSmell: I wish ATM machines were confused like that giving you 10 times more cash
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2141[18:12:43] <BadCodSmell> oh god
2142[18:12:51] <BadCodSmell> i see why it selected that
2143[18:13:02] <BadCodSmell> some sites are set up to block all but that one
2144[18:13:33] <BadCodSmell> better call them quick and tell them to turn off the machines, manual meds for all
2145[18:14:03] <thereyouare> intriguing story
2146[18:14:16] <thereyouare> replaced-url
2147[18:15:01] <xk> why depend on a 3rd party ntp server? no onprem GPS-based clock?
2148[18:15:15] <BadCodSmell> omg
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2150[18:15:25] <BadCodSmell> a baby died, this is going to turn nasty
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2152[18:15:50] <BadCodSmell> look it didnt even design the system ok
2153[18:15:59] <BadCodSmell> it wasnt my baby that killed a baby alright
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2155[18:17:15] <thereyouare> drama
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2161[18:19:01] <BadCodSmell> ah i fixed it
2162[18:19:14] <BadCodSmell> and its ok the baby was sick anyway, probably would have died either way
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2166[18:22:34] <BadCodSmell> that has to be read in /australian accent
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2169[18:24:04] <BadCodSmell> god the emergency ntp server i set up 3 years ago via a tunnel fixed it that i forgot about because 10 years worth or feature requests came through in one week after doing that
2170[18:24:48] <thereyouare> BadCodSmell: you should create an article replaced-url
2171[18:24:57] <thereyouare> you can be the first
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2184[18:28:35] <thereyouare> BadCodSmell: so if your clocks day ahead that means year 2017 is allready killed few people
2185[18:28:56] <pogs> where is the debian relevance when i may kindly ask?
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2189[18:31:34] <BadCodSmell> i think 8 now
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2192[18:32:08] <BadCodSmell> one of the managers just committed suicide when i told him his low budget was t oblame
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2195[18:32:20] <BadCodSmell> and choosing the most related bidder
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2232[18:58:18] <blawiz> is there a ff plugin that bypass site-wrappings on movies/pictures if possible? eg replaced-url
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2236[19:00:55] <awal1> so not posible to list deps with aptitude as with apt-cache depends/rdepends pkgname ?
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2248[19:06:36] <awal1> How to make apt-cache show if the dependencies, recommends and suggests are installed or not and show available versions?
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2251[19:07:26] <awal1> How to make "apt-cache depends pkgname" show if the dependencies, recommends and suggests listed are installed or not and show available versions?
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2307[19:32:51] <r3> lol, "<BadCodSmell> 7 people have just died because of an error in ntpd" ... no, it wasn't ntp, it was the fact that he had dhcp configured on that system and it was overriding ntp.conf. I seriously doubt anyone died. And if they did, this moron would be the one to blame.
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2309[19:34:23] <Walex> awal1: use 'aptitude'...
2310[19:35:01] <awal1> Walex: what you suggest?
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2312[19:35:20] <Walex> awal1: to use 'aptitude' :-)#
2313[19:35:34] <Walex> awal1: it is a wonderful package/dependency browser
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2315[19:36:20] <awal1> Walex: yeah, I use all the time :) But there isn't an aptitude equivalent for apt-cache depends/rdepends :P
2316[19:36:22] <Walex> awal1: when you do 'd' on a package it shows all you want to know.
2317[19:36:32] <Walex> awal1: of course there is.#
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2319[19:36:50] <awal1> you mean -D ?
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2321[19:37:02] <Walex> awal1: I mean the full screen interface
2322[19:38:09] <awal1> Walex: hmmm, I'll try the text interface, ok; I'm not used to it. I usually use cli
2323[19:38:29] <Walex> awal1: it is CLI but full screen with 'libncurses'...
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2325[19:38:52] <awal1> Walex: yeah, cli also, i meant ncurse based :P
2326[19:38:56] <grawity> if it doesn't use commands, it's not CLI :D
2327[19:38:58] <Walex> awal1: try to start it, use '[' to open a fold, select a package, type 'd' and there you have it all :-)
2328[19:39:07] <grawity> TUI, probably
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2331[19:39:32] <awal1> Walex: ok, thanks for the suggestion; I'll check it
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2333[19:40:15] <Walex> awal1: I have written a beautiful summary of cool 'Aptitude' commands to manage packages and explore dependencies: replaced-url
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2335[19:40:55] <awal1> grawity: I'm usually confused about how to call aptitude, the cli one (commands in terminal) and the other interface, like curse
2336[19:41:52] <awal1> Walex: ok, cool
2337[19:42:22] <awal1> grawity: you right, aptitude have so "cli" and "tui"
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2339[19:43:03] <awal1> command line interface and text user interface
2340[19:43:13] <TomTomTo1> if you run aptitude without an action it starts in visual mode.
2341[19:43:33] <awal1> tha's the tui yeah
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2349[19:44:42] <TomTomTo1> so once you provide an action you will get the cli.
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2352[19:46:19] <awal1> looks like aptitude tui have more features than cli. I have to play with it more frequently so
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2354[19:46:38] <awal1> almost never used it bcuz I thought it feTURES THE SAME AS CLI
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2360[19:51:24] <Walex> awal1: actually the visual mode has the same search options and commands (nearly all), but the information displayed is much more comprehensive
2361[19:51:59] <Walex> Aptitude visual mode is very convenient as a package property explorer
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2366[19:52:52] <awal1> Walex: ok, yes; I know it's powerful; I'm just not used to it :P
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2407[20:09:14] <psyduck`> Does anyone know if there are any backdoors in Debian or Debian-based distros?
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2413[20:10:36] <OerHeks> psyduck`, no backdoors and no windows.
2414[20:11:16] <thereyouare> there is ssh daemon, but it doesn't run by default, or is it ?
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2417[20:12:15] <mcintosh> if there were backdoors, the people in this channel would likely be unaware of them psyduck`
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2422[20:15:34] <jelly> psyduck`, why do you ask?
2423[20:15:57] <teraflops> he is a pocke
2424[20:16:00] <teraflops> mon
2425[20:16:08] <jelly> or a duck
2426[20:16:33] <jelly> what kind of answer would one expect apart from "no known ones"
2427[20:16:41] <teraflops> yeah
2428[20:16:56] <TomTomTo1> "probably yes" ^^
2429[20:17:21] <thereyouare> pokemom
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2434[20:18:25] <teraflops> thereyouare: hey blame my phone not me
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2439[20:22:21] <thereyouare> what is the best android phone of 2017 ?
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2447[20:26:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> thereyouare, Pixel?
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2449[20:27:30] <thereyouare> so Nexus line is discontinued ?
2450[20:27:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> I still have a Nexus 4 and I'm only considering an upgrade to something similar or better.
2451[20:27:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> AFAIK, yes.
2452[20:28:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hopefully Pixel proves to be more maintainable with respect to keeping up with kernel/Android versions.
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2486[20:52:54] <thereyouare> so its only a name change right ?
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2492[20:56:01] <awal1> thereyouare: have you heard about #debian-offtopic?
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2517[21:13:28] <catbehemoth> is setfont persistent? I mean after reboot do I need to do setfont again or will it be remembered?
2518[21:13:52] <thereyouare> awal1: there have to be also a #debian-joinquit channel
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2534[21:22:45] <jelly> catbehemoth, no, it's not. I _think_ /etc/default/console-setup is.
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2548[21:32:26] <awal1> thereyouare: one can enable/disable join/quit :P Anyway, all fine ;)
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2559[21:37:46] <catbehemoth> jelly: I want to make a powerline patched font my default console font the name of the font file is ter-powerline-v14n.psf.gz do I just do FONT="ter-powerline-v14n.psf.gz"?
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2563[21:43:22] <jelly> probably without .psf.gz
2564[21:43:24] <jelly> !console font
2565[21:43:25] <dpkg> If your console fonts settings have been changed, you can reset them using the consolechars command (console-tools package). The default font is default 8x*. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
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2568[21:43:53] <jelly> hmm. "consolechars" there is roughly equivalent to "setfont"
2569[21:44:07] <catbehemoth> ok let me try
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2587[21:53:16] <n4dir> having this in the file blacklist.local.conf replaced-url
2588[21:53:16] <n4dir>
2589[21:53:43] <n4dir> wondering if this is a bug. Am neither much in blacklisting modules, nor having a clue of systemd
2590[21:54:09] <jelly> that's jessie on a ppc mac?
2591[21:54:25] <n4dir> yes, jelly . I asked in debianppc too, but no ideas therer
2592[21:54:47] <n4dir> In general this really isn't a problem. I mainly look into it out of interest
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2594[21:55:00] <jelly> perhaps they're getting loaded early in initramfs?
2595[21:55:06] <jelly> !blacklist initramfs
2596[21:55:07] <dpkg> If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run «update-initramfs -u» in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf
2597[21:55:30] <n4dir> Oh ! That i didn't do.
2598[21:55:40] <n4dir> Though now they don't get loaded anymore
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2601[21:56:32] <n4dir> early might be: the error messages start very early after the yaboot (bootmanager) screen. Well: perhaps.
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2636[22:20:28] <catbehemoth> so for custom font to work in console I needed to add FONT="/usr/share/consolefonts/fontname" only doing fontname didnt work
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2648[22:35:04] <jelly> eh, as long as it works somehow
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2664[22:46:06] <cmhobbs> i've copied the netinst image to a usb stick and during installation it asks me for a media change even when i have internet connectivity. anyone have a clue as to what i might be doing wrong?
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2668[22:50:18] <mtn> cmhobbs: did you use unetbootin to make the usb?
2669[22:50:38] <cmhobbs> i did not
2670[22:50:39] <cmhobbs> i used dd
2671[22:50:59] <jelly> cmhobbs, can you just continue?
2672[22:51:06] <cmhobbs> no, it repeats the change media screen
2673[22:51:14] <cmhobbs> this happens before i get to the option to select packages
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2682[22:57:34] <jelly> hmph, no idea
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2685[22:59:13] <mtn> cmhobbs: stable or testing netinst?
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2687[23:00:48] <cmhobbs> mtn: jessy
2688[23:00:52] <cmhobbs> jessie*
2689[23:00:53] <cmhobbs> stable, i guess
2690[23:00:58] <cmhobbs> been a long day, sorry :D
2691[23:01:13] <mtn> cmhobbs: odd problem, especially with jessie iso
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2693[23:01:52] <cmhobbs> debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso is the image i'm using
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2695[23:03:21] <cmhobbs> i've done a thousand net installs of debian, probably. never hit this wall before
2696[23:03:56] <OldParr> how can i increase more the microphone input volume ? alsamixer says it is at maximum, is there any option to increase more than what alsamixer says some kind of boosting ?
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2698[23:04:25] <mtn> OldParr: possibly with pavucontrol
2699[23:04:35] <OldParr> mtn: ok
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2711[23:09:40] <brian_> So I can't access my /var/log/apache2 directory all of the sudden. It's owned by root:adm, with permissions 750. Checked my ubuntu box, it's the same. However, on my (currently broken) Debian box, the group adm has no users.
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2713[23:10:09] <brian_> "syslogd" and "brian" are members on the ubuntu box
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2715[23:10:30] <somiaj> brian_: by default the adm group has no users. Add users you want to it.
2716[23:10:42] <somiaj> brian_: you should be able to access it as root
2717[23:11:16] <brian_> I'm guessing syslogd is what apache needs? (I suppose I can google that...)
2718[23:11:58] <OldParr> mtn: pavucontrol increased the mic volume in 80% thank you, any aoher idea to increse it even more ?
2719[23:12:31] <mtn> OldParr: no, that was my only idea
2720[23:12:38] <OldParr> was really good
2721[23:12:45] <cmhobbs> pavucontrol seems to provide the most control over your audio
2722[23:12:53] <cmhobbs> i've found that if i can't do it with pavu, i probably can't do it
2723[23:12:58] <OldParr> pavucontrol goes far beyond 100%
2724[23:13:18] <OldParr> yes is awesome i will use it allways
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2796[23:59:45] * unborn wish long life to debian and all hackers and coders and all open source people around the world (here its just now - Bratislava Slovakia) - happy new year guys!
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