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106[00:41:06] <hatter_> I have noticed in dmesg and on the
console, hard disk errors like this show up : ata2.00: exception
Emask 0x0 SAct 0x4000 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
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108[00:41:19] <hatter_> How do I get these messages to log to
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129[00:53:28] <doughy> how do I set a static ip in debian 10?
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131[00:53:51] <crestfallen> hi would using ' sudo apt-get
install snapd ' be a valid and safe way to install bitcoin core
app .. on debian 9 64bit? thanks
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132[00:54:14] <crestfallen> snap .. I've never used it to
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142[01:00:32] <Bushmills> doughy: man interfaces
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143[01:00:56] <dvs> doughy, by editing your
/etc/network/interfaces file to include a "iface xxxx inet
static" clause in it, followed by an address and netmake line
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144[01:01:04] <doughy> yeah, I did that
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145[01:01:31] <doughy> I tried doing it through network manager
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149[01:02:19] <dvs> doughy, if the network device name is in the
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150[01:02:24] <doughy> I just installed debian 10 after not
using it for a while. I've never had problems with it
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152[01:02:46] <CaptainDusty> doughy: Also ensure that there is
no /etc/network/interfaces.d/<interface> file..
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153[01:03:10] <CaptainDusty> Or, vice versa; define your
settings in there, and not the parent /etc/interfaces file
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154[01:03:21] <CaptainDusty> (The later being my preference)
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156[01:04:01] <doughy> there were no interfaces in interfaces.d
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157[01:04:18] <dvs> it can be any file in interfaces.d
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158[01:04:22] <swift110> sup folks
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161[01:05:01] <doughy> there is nothing in that directory
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201[01:38:33] <m0rd3cai> Has anyone had any issues with Xwindows
display and kernel 4.9.0.9-amd64? When i boot it will show the
windows but no buttons to close windows nor does anything respond
except opening a terminal. I can't even type there. Had to boot
4.9.0.8 just to get the machine back up.
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205[01:39:33] <ZaZaGX> hi
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207[01:40:23] <m0rd3cai> hi
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223[01:51:56] <ZaZaGX> so what does it take to be an elite
hacker?
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224[01:52:26] <doughy> an education at MIT
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225[01:52:39] <doughy> or a relative of linus torvolds?
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226[01:52:39] <joepublic> social interaction problems help,
I'm told
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227[01:52:45] <doughy> haha joe
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229[01:52:59] <joepublic> helps you focus on solving problems
rather than other people
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230[01:53:01] <ZaZaGX> is the first step installing debian and
learning linux commands?
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231[01:53:15] <doughy> I did that 20 years ago
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232[01:53:43] <annadane> not really the scope of #debian but see
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233[01:54:00] <ZaZaGX> sovling social problems eh? like social
engineering?
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235[01:54:01] <joepublic> quoting eric raymond at the ready. not
bad.
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236[01:54:38] <annadane> debian is a good operating system for
anybody for many purposes, not just "hacking". so, sure,
install debian because it's awesome, not too sure about the
hacking bit
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237[01:55:06] <annadane> a chat room can't teach you
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239[01:55:20] <klys> zazagx, if you wanted to write your own
kernel there are resources at
replaced-url
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242[01:57:02] <ZaZaGX> i don't code
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243[01:57:29] <klys> zazagx, but you want to learn to code
hacks?
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245[01:58:40] <joepublic> I was inferring "zazagx wants to
know what it takes to be an elite hacker" no reason specified;
you seem to be inferring "ha! I know why this person wants to
know that. They, themselves, want to learn 'code
hacks'!"
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246[01:58:56] <joepublic> interesting.
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248[01:59:09] <LtL> No troll feeding rule is in effect last I
heard.
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249[01:59:13] <klys> hacking is an intelligent and useful
activity.
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250[01:59:33] <LtL> klys: this is true.
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251[01:59:37] <ZaZaGX> i'm learning aircrack-ng
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255[02:00:08] <joepublic> that word "crack" right in
the name is something different from "hack." one is evil,
one is good.
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256[02:00:31] <LtL> klys: I doubt that's what ZaZaGX has in
mind and it's certainly not a debian question
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257[02:00:31] <ZaZaGX> isn't hack evil?
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258[02:00:50] <joepublic> hack is "cleverly solve a
problem, usually a technical one"
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261[02:01:15] <klys> ^
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262[02:01:28] <annadane> people want to learn "how to
hack" without asking themselves the (necessary) corollary
question, "won't this get me into trouble?"
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263[02:01:29] <joepublic> crack is "commit a crime, usually
that of unauthorized access"
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265[02:01:58] <annadane> if you want to hack and face the
consequences, go right ahead, but that means you're an
industrious sort of person who likely wouldn't poke around IRC
channels asking how to do it
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266[02:02:48] <LtL> doughy: i do believe if network-manager is
running it will ignore anything set in /etc/network/interfaces and
the latter is what you want to set static although it may be doable
with NM.
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267[02:03:07] <doughy> I read the same thing
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268[02:03:12] <dvs> LtL, he's been told that
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269[02:03:33] <LtL> dvs: i see, my mistake, thanks.
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270[02:03:35] <doughy> something's changed since last
debian install I had
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271[02:03:49] <doughy> something in 10
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272[02:03:56] <dvs> doughy, run "ip link"
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273[02:04:10] <joepublic> I think networkmanager was introduced
with jessie?
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274[02:04:26] <doughy> I don't remember code names just the
numbers
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276[02:04:36] <doughy> woodie I remember that but that was a
long time ago
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278[02:04:39] <joepublic> Jessie is version 8.
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279[02:05:00] <joepublic> woody did not have networkmanager and
used /etc/network/interfaces.
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281[02:05:21] <doughy> I never had a problem using
/etc/network/interfaces till now
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282[02:06:04] <klys> if you like `man interfaces', I
surmise you should not have network-manager, and instead use
wpa_supplicant.
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288[02:09:11] <jim> SerajewelKS, hi. are you around/
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289[02:09:12] <jim> ?
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295[02:12:45] <jmcnaught> doughy: could you show us your
/etc/network/interfaces on
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296[02:14:39] <doughy> sure. give me a minute
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300[02:17:08] <ZaZaGX> yeah
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301[02:17:47] <ZaZaGX> crack is fun
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303[02:19:49] <doughy>
replaced-url
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304[02:20:57] <klys> s/interaces/interfaces/
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305[02:21:14] <dvs> doughy, you don't really need the
broadcast item and nameservers are usually put in /etc/resolv.conf
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306[02:21:49] <doughy> I never put the nameservers in there
either but I was fallowing directions and did that for the heck of
it
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309[02:22:35] <jmcnaught> doughy: does the network connect if
you run 'ifup ens4' ?
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310[02:22:50] <doughy> I just tried that
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311[02:23:04] <doughy> no it didn't assign a ip address to
that interface
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313[02:23:30] <klys> was there a dmesg error about missing
firmware?
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315[02:24:03] <doughy> I just came across something about
firmware but I never had a problem with firmware till this release
of debian
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318[02:24:47] <joepublic> I used to be able to play tennis but
then debian released this buster and now I can't even hold a
racket
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321[02:26:02] <dvs> joepublic, wait until the next release,
you'll be on target every time!
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322[02:26:41] <klys> this afternoon I installed a 4-port
rtl8111h, and it gave me a firmware error, so I had to install the
latest firmware-realtek from non-free.
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323[02:26:49] <doughy> ok so I got that to work. I thought
I'd let you know in case someone else has this problem
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326[02:27:19] <dvs> doughy, you didn't say what you did to
fix it.
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327[02:27:37] <doughy> I put configuration for each interface in
its own directory under the interfaces.d dir
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329[02:28:43] <klys> probably put them in their own file(s) in
that directory.
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344[02:42:39] <coffeecow> I'm thinking about moving to
debian from ubuntu because of ambiguous privacy reasons
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346[02:43:08] <ZaZaGX> okay cool
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347[02:43:12] <ZaZaGX> just download it and install it
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348[02:43:24] <ZaZaGX> i just finually moved from Ubuntu 19.04
like 1 day ago lol
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350[02:44:12] <ZaZaGX> i gotta admit. The installer has more
options and it seems to take longer to install in Debian compared to
Ubuntu
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351[02:44:48] <jim> coffeecow, debian installing is pretty
easy... does the machine have a wireless card?
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352[02:44:49] <coffeecow> I'm not sure if I'm being
overly paranoid tho... not totally sold on moving over to debian. I
haven't used it in years. I've used BSD and Linux for like
10 years.
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353[02:45:00] <coffeecow> Yes it's a thinkpad, a recent
one; x390.
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354[02:45:19] <jim> coffeecow, do you have some free disk space?
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355[02:45:20] <ZaZaGX> what kind of wireless card?
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358[02:46:16] <jim> coffeecow, if you're runnng linux now,
could you run... lspci -nn | grep -i net # and look at the output
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359[02:46:51] <jim> coffeecow, you're looking for the
pciid, which looks like this: [1234:abcd]
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360[02:47:48] <jim> how many lines do you get from that?
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362[02:48:11] <ZaZaGX> well, if you want, you can download the
firmware with Debian. so it'll be like an Ubuntu install.
it'll just work with the wifi card
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365[02:48:48] <jim> ZaZaGX, well hopefully :) let's see
that pciid first :)
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366[02:49:20] <jim> coffeecow, still here?
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372[02:50:35] <coffeecow> Intel Corporation Device [8086:9df0]
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373[02:50:42] <coffeecow> two
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375[02:50:56] <jim> so there's another pciid also?
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376[02:50:59] <coffeecow> one for ethernet... but there's
no ethernet on this lel
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377[02:51:04] <coffeecow> i think i need the dock
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379[02:51:32] <jim> so there's not a place to plug in an
ethernet cable?
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380[02:52:14] <jim> coffeecow, also what cpu is it?
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385[02:54:16] <ZaZaGX> whoa
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386[02:54:20] <ZaZaGX> k-lined
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405[03:04:10] <ZaZaGX> wb coffeecow
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414[03:08:14] <jim> how can I tell which alsa sink my pulseaudio
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424[03:11:12] <doughy> isn't there a way to change your
ethernet card's name?
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425[03:11:33] <doughy> mine currently is eno1 and I want to make
it eth0 to avoi confusion
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426[03:11:40] <doughy> avoid*
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430[03:13:16] <jim> doughy, there is, and there's supposed
to be advantages to the newer interface naming, somehow they're
supposed to be predictable
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432[03:14:10] <klys> I usually get enp0s25 and wlp10s0 on my
tablet-pcs.
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433[03:14:29] <klys> if that's predictable, well I have to
say I like doughy's idea.
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435[03:14:41] <kreyren> sanity: if i set pin on -10 it will
never pull unless `-t release` is specified in apt ?
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436[03:14:42] <doughy> that's my case klys
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439[03:15:17] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
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441[03:15:18] <doughy> I'm putting debian on two different
PCs and one has ens4 and eno1, the ohter is like what you're
getting
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442[03:16:58] <jim> doughy, if the debian installer can see the
cards, it will write the /etc/network/interfaces file for you, no
need to bother with it, I guess
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446[03:17:44] <doughy> I guess I should have done a search on
this before posting my problem here. I found a site with directions
to do that
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449[03:18:49] <jim> it's up to you I guess... you can
always run ip link to see what all the interfaces are called
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456[03:23:52] <ZaZaGX> whats the differences between a proxy and
a vpn?
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460[03:25:16] <ZaZaGX> nvm, i just googled it
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461[03:25:45] <swift110> ok
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462[03:26:13] <ZaZaGX> i don't think i have ever used a
proxy before
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466[03:27:59] <swift110> oh ok ZaZaGX
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467[03:28:07] <annadane> again, these really aren't #debian
questions
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468[03:28:16] <annadane> if you're interested in hacking
please ask elsewhere
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471[03:29:03] <ZaZaGX> sorry. i was ranting
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505[03:53:51] <ZaZaGX> if i want to use debian testing. how do i
do it? should i just upgrade from command line or download the iso?
i can't find the link to download the iso
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506[03:55:03] <dvs> !iyhtays ZaZaGX
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507[03:55:03] <dpkg> ZaZaGX: If You Have To Ask, You
Shouldn't.
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516[04:02:44] <dondelelcaro> ZaZaGX: but that said, you can just
upgrade from the command line
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555[04:33:09] <alex89> Hi, i have a problem with MTP, my phone
is connected but i can't see the files ... Can someone help me
please ?
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559[04:37:18] <rant> alex89: you don't have a problem with
MTP, MTP has a problem with MTP.. its trash..
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561[04:37:41] <rant> alex89: for small transfers I put the phone
in photos mode but as a general rule ADB is the way to go
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562[04:38:18] <rant> in photos mode you'll often get an
error dialog about unable to start the camera.. but the files will
be visible and it'll mostly work
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563[04:38:26] <alex89> so i need to do it in command line ?
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564[04:38:34] * dvs just transfers the files because I'm
reckless!
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565[04:38:41] <rant> you can, but not necessarily..
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566[04:38:49] <rant> alex89: what is your use case.. what sort
of thing are you typically doing?
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567[04:39:05] <rant> I just wrote my father a little script to
pull stuff off his device
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568[04:39:19] <alex89> i just need to do a backup of the files
in my phone (OnePlus6T) to my computer (Debian 10 Buster)
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569[04:39:36] <rant> ah, well for a large grab and adb pull is
best, yes
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570[04:39:53] <rant> if you do it often and want to simplify it,
its not difficult to make a helper script to suit your needs
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571[04:40:11] <rant> adb is not only faster but its more
reliable and less error prone
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572[04:41:06] <alex89> ok i will try adb. Thanks
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576[04:41:14] <KNERD> With the typical open source project, you
extract the project files, and for the most part just do ->
configure make & make install. How could I just make the
excutable binary?
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577[04:41:28] <rant> you'll need to go into your settings
on android, to the About Phone section, and click like 9 times on
the build number to enable developer mode and then you'll have
a developer options in the settings where you can enable ADB then
you install adb with apt
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578[04:42:00] <rant> then you'll need to authorize the
computer's rsa id to access the phone over adb.. when you first
try to connect
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579[04:42:09] <rant> a dialog will appear on the android
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581[04:42:37] <alex89> I have done all of that but i get stuck
in what command i need to type ...
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582[04:42:41] <rant> KNERD: thats what the make step does
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583[04:42:59] <rant> alex89: do you know the path of the dir you
want to pull? sounds like you want all of /sdcard
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584[04:43:14] <rant> alex89: which would be "adb pull
/sdcard" which will pull all to the current directory
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585[04:43:41] <rant> alex89: if you dont know the path you can
do adb shell and look around on the device to figure it out run df
or such see the mount points and use ls
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586[04:44:23] <KNERD> rant: make , makes object files, not
executables
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587[04:44:52] <dvs> ???
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588[04:45:19] <KNERD> rant: i have seen examples of people
running gcc on those files, but I am seeing multiple ones
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589[04:45:32] <rant> KNERD: it compiles whatever there is
typically if not sounds like the makefiles arent correct.. but there
is also something called checkinstall which you can use to wrap the
process and make a deb package out of it
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590[04:45:38] <alex89> it work thanks, i just have a problem
with a folder named A.0 Home it says adb: error: failed to stat
remote object '/storage/emulated/0/A.0': No such file or
directory
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591[04:46:57] <rant> alex89: idk, try adb shell, do some ls -l
/storage/emulated/0/A.0 or file /storage/emulated/0/A.0 for some
clues
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593[04:47:15] <rant> could be its a dangling symlink, not a
regular file, or perhaps a permission issue
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594[04:48:21] <jim> ZaZaGX, maybe you could make a copy of your
stable debian and upgrade the copy
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595[04:49:49] <ZaZaGX> like you mean install it on a different
partition?
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596[04:49:57] <rant> KNERD: typically the configure step
configures the source/makefiles, make builds and links everything
producing not only objects but executables, and make install moves
everything to the proper locations on the system
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597[04:50:35] <alex89> Problem solved, i just rename it to Home
much more simplier. Thanks for your help
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601[04:51:38] <rant> no problem.. android is annoying.. the
removal of USB Mass Storage mode and the whole MTP and media scanner
daemons and shit are a hot mess
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602[04:51:48] <rant> ADB is the closest thing to a sane way to
transfer data
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604[04:53:53] <rant> there are a lot of adb filemanagers out
there but they've all become abandonware.. idk why someone
hasnt continued to develop such things
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606[04:55:44] <alex89> By the way do you know a privacy oriented
file manager ? I use the one developped by SImpleMobiletools
(avalaible on Fdroid) ?
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612[04:57:25] <rant> I haven't really tested them
extensively I just use whatever works.. but I dont really trust
android as far as I can throw it.. I currently just have a Galaxy S7
I just use as a mobile pc to save power to do simple things like
reading ebooks, listening to music, watching shows, etc.. I have no
sim in it, keep it in airplane mode with all the radios off :P
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614[04:57:58] <rant> the samsung files that comes with it is
decent enough.. but as for privacy.. heh.. like I said, I don't
trust any of it
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618[04:59:15] <rant> there is #android and the folks in #h3droid
are very nice and knowledgeable folk.. they develop an android
version for the allwinner h3 found on many of the orange pi boards..
if you were to get one and help them test I'm sure they'd
love you for it.. and they are very helpful in all things android
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633[05:10:28] <KNERD> forget spyingware Android. Something new
and open sourece is coming out at the end of the year. The Pine
Phone with different Linux based OSes you will be easilly install
like any Raspberry Pi
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644[05:22:26] <Mr_Queue> Anyone know how to skip sourcing
~/.bashrc on a remote system on initial login?
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663[05:43:34] <jim> Mr_Queue, by not having that file/
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664[05:43:35] <jim> ?
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665[05:43:48] <rant> KNERD: I haven't heard of it, but I
won't hold my breath.. Saygus, Librem, etc have been promising
open mobile platforms for years.. I've yet to see it
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675[05:53:35] <KNERD> rant: Well, so far the Pine Group has
deleovered on all they have said they would.
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676[05:54:08] <KNERD> They already have some dev SDk kits out
for the OS developers
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677[05:54:27] <KNERD> meaning prototype phines
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678[05:55:01] <KNERD>
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684[05:59:02] <rant> KNERD: you can always follow up on
#debian-offtopic as this is not really on topic here.. but the issue
with most these efforts seems to be govt regulations and such
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738[06:43:03] <dfcnvt> On my terminal -- there is the terminal
ine that shows: "(base) tagraf@d0f:~$ "
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739[06:43:14] <dfcnvt> What is that "(base)..." is
even doing there?
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740[06:43:32] <themill> your shell thinks you're in a
chroot
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741[06:43:59] <dfcnvt> Well, I'll be.
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742[06:44:14] <dfcnvt> How do I revert it then? pkill chroot
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743[06:44:45] <themill> Have you entered a chroot via chroot(1)?
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745[06:44:55] <dfcnvt> Err...No.
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747[06:45:44] <dfcnvt> I am plaining on my regular Debian system
with my gnome desktop environment and a terminal open with no given
commands.
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748[06:45:48] <themill> Do you have a file /etc/debian_chroot
there?
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749[06:45:53] <dfcnvt> And there, by default it shows (base) in
it.
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750[06:46:00] <dfcnvt> Hm
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751[06:46:10] <dfcnvt> Maybe there is a mounted drive to it?
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752[06:46:14] <dfcnvt> Let me check
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753[06:46:47] <dfcnvt> Okay - I've unmounted one drive that
was idling for long time.
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754[06:47:06] <dfcnvt> I even re-open the terminal. The
"(base)..." still there.
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755[06:48:11] <dfcnvt> themill: Sorry, you did ask a very simple
question -- and I went through without listening to you.
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756[06:48:20] <dfcnvt> No, there is no file in that directory.
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758[06:49:25] <themill> Are you inside a git repo?
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761[06:49:53] <dfcnvt> themill: Good question -- uhh I
don't know. I've used git before but I don't know if
it's still running in teh background.
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762[06:50:08] <themill> What does "git status" output?
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764[06:50:25] <dfcnvt> fatal: Not a git repository (or any of
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765[06:50:31] <dfcnvt> That's the result ^
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766[06:50:37] <themill> hm
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767[06:51:01] <themill> those are the normal two things that
appear in prompts like that
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769[06:51:40] <dfcnvt> themill:
replaced-url
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771[06:51:51] <dfcnvt> If it any matter -- that is the (base) is
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773[06:52:51] <dfcnvt> It was never like that long before I
remember using terminal many time. Untils this recent month ago. I
didn't mind or pay any attention until I starts to realize it.
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789[07:10:56] <Moondhum> Why debian 10 official repo
doesn't have virtualbox?
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797[07:15:59] <wildbills_> qemu not enough for you?
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798[07:16:16] <SwedeMike> Moondhum:
replaced-url
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799[07:16:17] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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800[07:16:57] <SwedeMike> Moondhum: according to
replaced-url
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813[07:23:48] <Moondhum> thanks guys :), i'll go for qemu
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860[07:49:28] <friendlyGoat> god im sorry, i wrote down what to
do if another power outage happened cause i didnt want to bother
anybody but holy fuck my electricity went out again. im trying to
fix my DNS resolving thing AGAIN and nothing in my note i made is
working to fix it
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861[07:50:15] <friendlyGoat> i deleted resolv.conf, recreated it
with nameserver 127.0.0.1 in it and its just, not resolving at all
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862[07:50:24] <friendlyGoat> gonna try fixing things on my own
but godd what a bother
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864[07:51:43] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, sudo rm /etc/resolv.conf
&& sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf and add:
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865[07:51:52] <diogenes_> nameserver 8.8.8.8
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868[07:52:05] <diogenes_> nameserver 8.8.4.4
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870[07:52:21] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: does this file contain your
dns servers? cat /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf
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872[07:52:31] <diogenes_> then: sudo systemctl restart
NetworkManager
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879[07:56:37] <ayekat> I'm amused by how everyone is
suggesting things without even knowing which network manager they
use
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880[07:57:09] * alkisg asked about the contents of resolv.conf, to see
IF he's using systemd-resolved :)
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882[07:57:38] <diogenes_> ayekat, i know for sure because it was
i who adviced him last time he had the same issue.
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884[07:57:56] <alkisg> Why does it keep breaking on outages?
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886[07:58:14] <ayekat> diogenes_: I see
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887[07:58:40] <diogenes_> and it's
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf responsible for resolving.
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888[07:58:55] <friendlyGoat> thank god i managed to fix it with
what you said
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889[07:59:23] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, i hope you wrote it down
this time.
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890[07:59:26] <ayekat> manually editing /etc/resolv.conf is not
really a permanent solution, though
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891[07:59:39] <friendlyGoat> i updated my note, it was written
down but i fucked up something
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892[07:59:44] <diogenes_> ayekat, in this particular case it
survives the reboot.
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893[07:59:46] <friendlyGoat> goddd thanks for being patient with
me
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895[08:00:07] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: you should probably use a
proper solution, like ayekat suggests
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896[08:00:15] <friendlyGoat> also i have no idea why, its just
that whenever the power goes out it fucks up my resolving.
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897[08:00:20] <friendlyGoat> and yeah i should look into it.
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898[08:00:27] <alkisg> You have network manager AND resolvconf
and possibly systemd-resolved, and you manually edit resolv.conf? :)
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899[08:00:29] <ayekat> diogenes_: then I'd be *very*
interested in seeing their setup, because with resolvconf and NM
running, I can't see how resolv.conf will remain untouched
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901[08:01:24] <diogenes_> ayekat, ask friendlyGoat to give some
outputs.
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902[08:01:58] <ayekat> friendlyGoat: would you mind posting your
personal "note" that you've made on this issue?
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903[08:04:03] <ayekat> (note that I know neither resolvconf nor
NM very well, but fiddling around with resolv.conf manually is
rarely a clean solution)
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905[08:04:19] <friendlyGoat>
replaced-url
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906[08:04:58] <alkisg> (08:52:21 AM) alkisg: friendlyGoat: does
this file contain your dns servers? cat
/run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf
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907[08:05:11] <friendlyGoat> oh oops fuck
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908[08:05:14] <ayekat> friendlyGoat: what's the content of
/etc/resolv.conf after starting resolvconf? does it stay the same?
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909[08:05:56] <friendlyGoat> yes
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910[08:06:18] <friendlyGoat> i did cat
/run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf and theres no DNS servers in that
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911[08:06:20] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, 0,0???? what? sudo rm -r
/etc/resolv.conf is that the command i suggested?
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913[08:06:38] <friendlyGoat> a while back yeah?
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914[08:06:43] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, adjust your notes
because it;s totally wrong.
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915[08:06:48] <ayekat> the -r is unnecessary there
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916[08:07:01] <friendlyGoat> ah jeez, sorry bout that. what
should i adjust it to?
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917[08:07:30] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, the first command:
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918[08:07:32] <diogenes_> sudo rm /etc/resolv.conf &&
sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
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919[08:07:41] <ayekat> i.e. just remove the -r
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920[08:07:49] <diogenes_> and in the newly opened document add
the following lines:
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922[08:07:59] <diogenes_> namesever 8.8.8.8
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923[08:08:07] <diogenes_> nameserver 8.8.4.4
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925[08:08:13] <diogenes_> save, close and run:
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926[08:08:27] <diogenes_> sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager
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927[08:08:33] <diogenes_> wait
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928[08:08:54] <diogenes_> nameserver 8.8.8.8 (i made a mistake)
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930[08:09:26] <friendlyGoat> alrighty i updated it, anything
else?
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931[08:09:52] <diogenes_> that's it, till next time :)
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933[08:09:55] <ayekat> the main issue is: why doesn't
NetworkManager automatically generate resolv.conf there?
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934[08:10:23] <alkisg> Or, why does he need resolvconf at all?
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936[08:10:33] <friendlyGoat> thanks! also i have resolvconf for
pihole
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937[08:11:12] <alkisg> When resolvconf is used, resolv.conf is a
symlink: /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
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938[08:11:27] <alkisg> So that resolvconf picks up the dns from
network manager, and updates it properly
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939[08:12:05] <alkisg> Nowadays, systemd-resolved is used
instead, as a superset of resolvconf, and the file is a symlink to:
/etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
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942[08:12:35] <alkisg> One is only supposed to hardcode DNS
entries manually when his DHCP server (router etc) is broken
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943[08:13:14] <ayekat> even then, I'd prefer configuring
the network management tool to generate the appropriate entries
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945[08:13:21] <alkisg> True
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946[08:13:32] <diogenes_> alkisg, who uses systemd-resolve apart
from ubuntu?
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948[08:14:21] <ayekat> I do, for instance (but I use it with
networkd, not NM)
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950[08:14:53] <diogenes_> but no major distros do.
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951[08:15:50] <ayekat> well, users are free to configure their
setups however they like (and I chose to replace ifupdown with
networkd) :-)
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952[08:16:15] <ayekat> but anyway - there shouldn't be any
reason to manually touch /etc/resolv.conf
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953[08:17:40] <diogenes_> that doesn't harm and fixed his
issue.
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954[08:17:52] <alkisg> diogenes_: by default, debian
doesn't use resolvconf nor systemd-networkd. But when one needs
resolvconf to manage DNS on a per-link basis, why wouldn't he
use systemd-networkd instead, since he's going to select one of
them?
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955[08:18:00] <ayekat> I see in
replaced-url
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956[08:18:17] <alkisg> If he has hardcoded DNS, it cancels
resolvconf, it's like he didn't install it in the first
place
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957[08:18:25] <ayekat> diogenes_: it only "fixes" it
for now, but who knows when it will break again, and I think it
makes sense to understand why such a hacky workaround is necessary
in the first place
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958[08:18:50] <diogenes_> alkisg, that's what i meant, by
default no one uses it, only if someone wants to tinker something
specifically, he is free to choose whatever he wants.
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959[08:20:45] <diogenes_> ayekat, i gave his a quick solution to
fix the issue right now and i never claimed it was the ultimate
solution and besides, i was waiting for other more advaced
specialist than i to step in and try to resolv the core of the issue
and since nobody bothered to troubleshoot the core of the problem,
it is what it is so, if you can fix his core issue then go ahead.
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960[08:21:10] <alkisg> diogenes_: what I'm saying is, the
method you proposed, invalidates his setup. He no longer uses
resolvconf anymore, since he removed the resolvconf symlink
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961[08:21:25] <alkisg> So he *thinks* he's using
resolvconf, but he isn't
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962[08:21:28] <diogenes_> alkisg, yeah read what i just said.
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963[08:22:08] <diogenes_> go ahead and fix his core problem
instead of commenting on my solution.
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964[08:22:24] <alkisg> Sure; hopefully friendlyGoat will
understand that he still has an issue to resolve (no pun intended);
I see he lost interest in this :D
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965[08:22:30] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, are you still there?
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967[08:22:42] <friendlyGoat> pardon i got a little distracted
i'll read up
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968[08:22:46] <diogenes_> here are folks who are eager to fix it
nce and forever.
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969[08:22:59] <diogenes_> so be prepared to give outputs.
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972[08:23:53] <ayekat> diogenes_: I was merely commenting
because the discussion kinda went into "oh, it fixed it,
thanks!" and there was no followup whatsoever à la
"warning! this is only a workaround, and this should definitely
be fixed"
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975[08:24:47] <diogenes_> ayekat, and your comments are
irrelevant when they are addressed to me because i did what i could,
your questions should be addressed towards the user with the issue.
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976[08:24:48] <ayekat> also again, I can't help debug this,
because I use neither NM nor resolvconf
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977[08:24:59] <diogenes_> and no warning there since it
doesn't break anything.
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978[08:25:22] <friendlyGoat> alright so i have to make a
symlink? /etc/resolv.conf ->
../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf yeah?
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979[08:25:29] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: no
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980[08:25:45] <alkisg> If you want to properly resolv this,
please explain first why and how you're using resolvconf
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981[08:25:59] <alkisg> You have a pihole somewhere in your local
network?
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982[08:26:05] <alkisg> Or you have it installed in this host?
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983[08:26:16] <friendlyGoat> pihole is on this host
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984[08:26:47] <ayekat> diogenes_: but it leaves the user in a
situation where they wrongfully believe it's fixed "until
the next blackout", so pointing that out explicitly seems
necessary to me
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985[08:26:49] <alkisg> Is this a raspberry pi with raspbian?
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986[08:27:12] <friendlyGoat> nope this is debian on an older
machine of mine
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987[08:27:15] <ayekat> (but I don't want to argue, we are
not contributing to solving, so I'm gonna stop)
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988[08:27:30] <alkisg> Debian 10?
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989[08:27:39] <diogenes_> ayekat, no buts there, you have no
right to say "but" unless you have a better solution, you
don't understand what i'm saying.
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991[08:27:54] <friendlyGoat> Debian 9.
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992[08:28:47] <alkisg> I don't know pihole. I'm
guessing that it's using resolvconf to manage DNS on a per link
basis.
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993[08:28:58] <alkisg> Does this file contain your dns servers?
cat /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
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994[08:29:07] <friendlyGoat> yep, resolvconf if a requirement.
also let me check real quick
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995[08:29:09] <ayekat> diogenes_: no, the problem is on
different layers - it's fine to help out and give a solution,
even if it's not permanent - but it's necessary to point
out that it's a temporary solution
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998[08:29:36] <ayekat> diogenes_: and whether I can help or not
is irrelevant there
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999[08:29:38] <friendlyGoat> nothing appeared when i used cat
/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf, let me check if that exists
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1001[08:30:00] <friendlyGoat> yep that file exists but theres
nothing in it
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1002[08:30:21] <friendlyGoat> (BRB)
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1003[08:30:30] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: you *might* need to first
create the symlink and then restart resolvconf/network-manager for
this file to be populated,
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1004[08:30:46] <diogenes_> ayekat, it is relevant because you
don't know the problem, you don't know how to troubleshoot
it, you don't know nm, you don't know resolconf and as a
result you can't even judge whether it's a permanent
solution or not.
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1005[08:30:53] <ayekat> diogenes_: I just stepped in because
"edit resolv.conf" - "it's fixed!" - (no
follow-up), so I made a comment pointing out the issue
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1006[08:31:07] <alkisg> which would be: sudo ln -sf
../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf && ...best
reboot, to be really sure it works or not,
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1007[08:31:28] <ayekat> diogenes_: I don't need to know NM
or resolvconf to judge that manually modifying /etc/resolv.conf is
not a permanent solution
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1008[08:31:32] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: but if this command
doesn't fix your dns, then pihole does more tricky things, in
which case you'd ask in #pihole instead of #debian
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1009[08:31:46] <diogenes_> ayekat, and that's more relevant
than yor comment because the user has internet right now and if it
was stuck with ou helping him, he wouldn't have any positive
reult bby niw.
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1011[08:32:12] <diogenes_> ayekat, and guess what, it actualy is,
because when he reboots it stays like that.
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1015[08:33:04] <diogenes_> and i know that in a normal setup you
don't edit resol.conf but i told you, in this particular case
it's ok to od it.
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1016[08:33:09] <ayekat> diogenes_: it's permanent *by
accident*, doesn't mean it's fixed - and again, I'm
not criticising the help - I was just pointing a flaw based on my
understanding, and now I'm suddenly getting all the flack
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1017[08:33:21] <alkisg> diogenes_: ayekat is right; helping users
is something to be proud of; all of us here trying to help others
are good people trying to do the right thing; but, notifying that
"this solution isn't proper, it's just a
workaround" is also necessary, and users may choose to not do
anything more anyway
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1021[08:35:30] <diogenes_> ayekat, alkisg hehe you're trying
to look politically correct now or what? so the issue is that i
didn't mention it's a temporary solution? show me the
regulations that i have to say that or mention anything or something
like that and prove it's wrong, and also i'm still waiting
for youboth to fix his issue once and forever.
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1022[08:36:00] <diogenes_> tha's complete ninsense huys.
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1023[08:36:06] <diogenes_> guys*
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1024[08:36:28] <alkisg> diogenes_: nah, I'm trying to
prevent 2 good people from fighting regarding "how to best help
others"; it's silly to hurt someone's feelings when
he's trying to help
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1025[08:36:43] <alkisg> I know the feeling, that's way I
wrote that previous sentence, not to be politically correct
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1026[08:37:17] <alkisg> *why
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1027[08:37:51] <diogenes_> and did i argue about anything in the
first place, i gave the advice i knew and i was minding my own
business until someone tried to tell me i'm wrong because bla
bla bla without either corecting me or giving an elternative
solution.
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1037[08:40:11] <ayekat> diogenes_: I just reread the
conversation, and nowhere did I point out you were wrong
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1038[08:40:35] <ayekat> I just noted that it's not a
permanent solution, because that wasn't mentioned anywhere
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1039[08:41:16] <diogenes_> ayekat, the only thing i'm
obliged to do, is not to harm the user that's all, all other
stuff like mentioning this or that is not my business.
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1040[08:41:57] <ayekat> diogenes_: that's correct, but
getting all defensive when someone points out a flaw is not really
helping anyone either
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1044[08:43:28] <diogenes_> ayekat, this "flow' is not a
flaw but an opinion which is not even a technical one and opinions
are different from person to person and you was tryung to say that
your opinion is the right one and i disagree because i have mine.
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1045[08:43:46] <ayekat> what
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1046[08:43:51] <ayekat> this is silly now
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1047[08:43:54] <ayekat> have a nice day
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1048[08:44:00] <diogenes_> you too
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1051[08:46:35] <friendlyGoat> im back, i was getting some stuff.
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1052[08:49:49] <friendlyGoat> alkisg, alright i found your last
ping- how would i go about making the symlink?
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1054[08:50:44] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: note that this is a
suggestion on how it would solve the problem with resolvconf. If
pihole is doing more weird stuff, it might again break your dns, in
which case you'll need to hardcode it again etc like diogenes_
said, and ask help from #pihole,
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1055[08:50:59] <alkisg> so, the command is: sudo ln -sf
../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
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1056[08:51:01] <alkisg> And then reboot
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1062[08:53:17] <friendlyGoat> a;righty
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1063[08:53:33] <finn0> In a fresh installation of Debian which is
file provided by default? (~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile). AFAIR,
~/.profile is present in the home directory why is so?
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1064[08:54:25] <klys> one style for user and the other for root
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1065[08:54:38] <alkisg> finn0: many packages may put things in
/etc/skel; those are copied to home dirs when users are created
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1066[08:54:47] <alkisg> So you can just ls -lha /etc/skel
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1069[09:00:21] <friendlyGoat> rebooted, whats next?
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1070[09:00:30] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: nothing, does dns work?
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1071[09:00:30] <finn0> okay, Debian provides ~/.profile. Since,
Debian default shell is bash and bash looks for file in this
/etc/profile -> ~/.bash_profile, and if finds it, it read that.
If not, look for ~/.bash_login, and if it doesn't find that,
look inot ~/.profile otherwise stop searching.
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1072[09:00:45] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: does `cat
/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf` have things?
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1073[09:01:21] <friendlyGoat> yep!
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1075[09:01:49] <alkisg> friendlyGoat: ok, if it works,
you're properly using resolvconf now, no need to hardcode DNS
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1078[09:02:29] <finn0> If ~/.bash_profile is found, bash stops
looking for files. Am I correct? And why does Debian provide
~/.profile instead ~/.bash_profile? Is there any specific reason?
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1079[09:02:59] <ayekat> finn0: because ~/.profile is sourced by
all kinds of shells, so it makes sense to provide a generic file
rather than a bash-specific one
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1080[09:03:28] <ayekat> finn0: also, it reads ~/.bash_profile no
matter what /etc/profile says (but otherwise your observation there
is in line with what bash(1) says)
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1081[09:04:42] <finn0> ayekat: Okay, thanks
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1084[09:06:39] <ayekat> to be honest, I think bash's
sequence of sourcing files is pretty weird, but I guess we're a
couple of decades too late to change that now ^^
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1089[09:09:10] <friendlyGoat> thanks for being patient with me, i
hope i didnt upset ya too much
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was found in amd64.
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1112[09:18:21] <ksk> ,checkbackport libfaudio0
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buster.
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1179[09:57:34] <centrix> I have removed all samba packages plus
all "unnecessary" package apt reports about. The installed
all the samba packages again but got:
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1180[09:57:38] <centrix> dpkg: error processing package
samba-common-bin (--configure):
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1181[09:57:38] <dpkg> centrix: That isn't an error, post the
whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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1182[09:57:46] <centrix> ......
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1186[10:00:24] <centrix>
replaced-url
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1188[10:01:03] <centrix> Prior to installing again a wipped out
the /etc/samba /var/lib/samba /run/samba directories.
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1193[10:02:22] <centrix> The result was that I copied the
smb.conf from my backup, issued "testparm" which went OK,
but "systemctl start smbd" failed:
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1195[10:02:40] <centrix> Failed to start smbd.service: Unit
smbd.service is masked.
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1197[10:03:21] <alkisg> centrix: read line 145 in your paste
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1198[10:03:27] <centrix> I expected a clean install with no
problems and "new" and clean directories out of packages.
What is going wrong?
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1202[10:04:23] <centrix> alkisg, I missed that. I am not deeply
involved in Debian. Sorry.
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1204[10:04:33] <alkisg> No worries
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1209[10:05:16] <centrix> alkisg, now I got: pdb backend
samba_dsdb did not correctly init (error was NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL)
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1210[10:05:25] <centrix> systemctl start smbd failed
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1211[10:05:40] <alkisg> centrix: as you saw, pasting only the end
doesn't help
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1212[10:05:45] <alkisg> Pastebin full commands and full outputs
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1215[10:05:59] <centrix> OK.
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1216[10:06:01] <alkisg> E.g. the dpkg-configure -a output, maybe
it had some issues too
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1235[10:15:31] <centrix> alkisg, A bit longer:
replaced-url
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1237[10:16:20] <centrix> What really troubles me is: pdb backend
samba_dsdb did not correctly init (error was NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL)
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1238[10:16:49] <centrix> I have another installation I pulled the
smb.conf of and that box runs OK.
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1240[10:18:10] <half-beard> ratrace, are you around bud? I
finished installing buster last night. A very simple installation.
Just grub-pc on ext4 in it's own partition, luks on another
partition with ext4 / inside it, debootstrapped. Setup fstab, passwd
tasksel standard etc, linux-image, installed cryptsetup-initramfs I
setup /etc/crypttab ran update-initramfs -u and grub-update etc.
There were no errors. Grub is installed, but it says it cannot find
the UUID of my
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1241[10:18:10] <half-beard> ext4 partition. The initramfs or grub
is not using cryptsetup to decrypt my luks.
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1242[10:19:32] <half-beard> oh shit. I think I forgot to bind
mount /boot!
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1243[10:19:35] <half-beard> when I did my setup.
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1244[10:19:46] <half-beard> epic fail
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1249[10:22:32] <ratrace> half-beard: did you bind proc, dev and
sys into the chroot?
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1251[10:22:50] <half-beard> yes, of course
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1252[10:22:52] <ratrace> also why bind mount boot, mount it
directly to the actual /boot dir
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1253[10:23:03] <ratrace> eg. if your root is /mnt, then /mnt/boot
directly
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1254[10:23:19] <half-beard> ooh, so you mean once i'm in the
chroot, then just mount /boot directly?
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1257[10:23:43] <ratrace> make sure you check boot/grub/grub.cfg
if it points at correct uuids for both the device containing /boot
and for rootfs itself
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1258[10:23:44] <half-beard> oh, I see what you're saying
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1259[10:23:54] <ratrace> half-beard: you can mount /mnt/boot even
from outside the chroot
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1260[10:23:59] <half-beard> yes. That's probably the problem
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1261[10:24:08] <half-beard> yes, i understand what you meant now.
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1262[10:24:10] <ratrace> inside the chroot, you see all the real
mountpoints via /proc/mounts
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1263[10:24:41] <half-beard> ratrace, I've seen people doing
fancy switches to update-initramfs. I normally just do -u. But
I've seen people mentioning -k and -v etc
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1265[10:25:15] <half-beard> is there anything special I need to
do now besides mount boot properly and then update-initramfs?
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1267[10:26:00] <half-beard> I've got the /etc/crypttab
sorted. fstab is sorted. (fstab just contains / and /boot with
UUIDs)
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1269[10:26:28] <half-beard> like, anything special to ensure that
cryptsetup modules (or whatever) go into the initramfs?
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1270[10:26:43] <ratrace> if they're all correct uuids, then
you should be fine ; make sure grub.cfg is pointing at them
correctly
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1272[10:26:59] <half-beard> or should it happen automatically by
virtue of the fact that I've got the cryptsetup-initramfs
package installed and /etc/crypttab done?
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1274[10:27:16] <half-beard> okay will redo with /boot mounted and
re-check.
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1275[10:27:43] <half-beard> /boot was NOT mounted when I did this
last night. So that's probably the only thing that was wrong.
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1276[10:28:02] <ratrace> "search" should contain the
uuid of the ext4 containing /boot, and "linux" line should
have root=UUID=<uuid of ext4 root which is insde the luks
container>
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1277[10:28:23] <ratrace> then crypttab should have the uuid of
the partition that's the luks container itself, in the second
column
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1278[10:28:39] <ratrace> fstab / either by uuid or /dev/mapper/
name
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1279[10:28:46] <ratrace> (which is the first column of crypttab)
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1282[10:29:38] <half-beard> haha, the boot partition didn't
even have a filesystem on it X)
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1286[10:30:26] <ratrace> half-beard: cryptsetup-initramfs should
make sure initramfs contains all the required hooks and scripts to
unlock the container
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1288[10:30:48] <half-beard> half-beard, okay. It probably did,
but /boot was not where it should have been.
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1289[10:31:14] <half-beard> yep, there's a /boot folder in
the root filesystem.
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1292[10:31:42] <ratrace> clean it out, mount the partition and
reinstall kernel, re-run update-initramfs, re-run update-grub
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1293[10:31:48] <ratrace> (in that order)
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1294[10:32:04] <half-beard> how do you reinstall the kernel?
dpkg-reconfigure linux-image?
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1295[10:32:09] <half-beard> or purge and install?
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1296[10:32:15] <ratrace> install --reinstall linux-image-amd64
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1297[10:32:26] <half-beard> apt ?
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1299[10:32:46] <centrix> alkisg, I am bit under pressure so I
grabbed /var/lib/samba /run/samba from the working box and replaced
in the failing. Now at least smbd starts without complains.
I'll see what comes next (AD join ...)
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1300[10:32:46] <ratrace> yeah... but wait... uh... i think you
actually need to reinstall the versioned linux-image- packages
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1304[10:33:10] <half-beard> ratrace, maybe I should just purge
the kernel, autoremove
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1306[10:33:14] <half-beard> then install it again
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1307[10:33:20] <half-beard> simple and effective?
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1308[10:33:42] <ratrace> half-beard: yeah, linux-image-$(uname
-r)
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1309[10:33:52] <ratrace> linux-image-amd64 is a metapackage
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1310[10:34:32] <ratrace> oh but careful, if that's within
chroot, that uname -r might be wrong, so just make sure it's
linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 for buster
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1312[10:35:31] <half-beard> ok, I normally just see what's
there with `dpkg -l | grep linux-image` then remove everything
listed
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1323[10:40:53] <half-beard> ratrace, I've seen people doing
fancy switches to update-initramfs. I normally just do -u. But
I've seen people mentioning -k and -v etc
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1329[10:42:26] <ratrace> half-beard: -u suffices ; -k is if you
want specific or all kernels' initramfs-es updated
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1330[10:42:44] <half-beard> okay
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1331[10:42:46] <half-beard> thanks
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1332[10:43:09] <half-beard> ratrace, I read this last night, is
it necessary? To force the cryptsetup modules to the initramfs image
you have to set CRYPTSETUP=y in /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook.
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1333[10:43:31] <half-beard> (I've not done that)
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1334[10:44:14] <ratrace> half-beard: read that file :)
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1335[10:44:46] <ratrace> half-beard: note that in
initramfs-tools, hooks are functions exec'd when you construct
the initramfs, and scripts are execed when initramfs is run
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1337[10:45:15] <ratrace> so hooks are used to build and prepare
initramfs, scripts are run to do whatever it takes to mount the
rootfs
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1340[10:45:48] <half-beard> I see, so that file is only for some
more complicated setup than mine?
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1341[10:46:12] <ratrace> yeah ; it's autodetected and you
don't need to force that variable
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1343[10:46:55] <half-beard> okay, I finished everything. It
should in theory be bootable
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1344[10:47:16] <half-beard> I saw a command on the interwebs last
night, relating to cryptsetup, that will check if my setup looks
bootable
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1345[10:47:21] <half-beard> Do you know what it is?
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1346[10:47:27] <half-beard> (lost the URL)
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1349[10:48:54] <ratrace> sure, what is it
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1352[10:49:14] <half-beard> I lost the URL, was in a private tab
on my phone
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1355[10:50:15] <ratrace> oh, well... :)
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1366[10:53:50] <half-beard> hehe, gonna reboot :)
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1370[10:54:42] <ratrace> sacrifice a goat first, just in case
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1379[10:57:08] <half-beard> haha, ratrace: I just remembered to
check the UUIDs in /boot/grub/grub.cfg I've got search
--fs-uuid blah blah then the UUID of the /boot partition
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1382[10:57:41] <half-beard> and then there's a linux
/vmlinuz line that has root= UUID of my ext4 filesystem in my LUKS
partititon
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1384[10:58:10] <half-beard> but the UUID of my luks partition is
NOT contained in grub.cfg
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1385[10:58:12] <half-beard> is that okay?
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1386[10:58:30] <ratrace> yes, of the luks container itself?
that's only in crypttab, grub doesn't deal with it
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1387[10:58:38] <half-beard> okay
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1388[10:58:43] <half-beard> Fair enough. Good to confirm
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1389[10:58:47] <half-beard> Okay rebooting.
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1390[10:58:51] <half-beard> X)
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1424[11:13:23] <half-beard> Sorted, booted with ease :) thanks
ratrace!
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1427[11:14:18] <half-beard> I forgot to create a user account and
now need to setup networking etc but just connected to IRC from my
phone now to say thanks!
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1429[11:14:51] <half-beard> When I get back to the PC I'll
sort I'll finish the rest of the setup.
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1431[11:15:51] <ratrace> cool
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1433[11:16:31] <half-beard> What's a good way to backup my
fresh install once its working nicely? Rsync and exclude dev proc
sys mnt and so on?
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1434[11:16:53] <half-beard> It's just an ext4 on luks.
Decided to keep it simple.
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1435[11:17:15] <half-beard> So there's no ZFS or LVM
snapshots possible.
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1436[11:17:35] <ratrace> take a look at rsnapshot
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1438[11:17:55] <half-beard> Is it an apt package?
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1439[11:18:12] <ratrace> !info rsnapshot
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1440[11:18:19] <dpkg> rsnapshot: (local and remote filesystem
snapshot utility), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.2-1
(sid), Packaged size: 127 kB, Installed size: 452 kB
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1447[11:19:01] <finn0> ayekat: May be we can propose this to
developers of `Bash`.
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1448[11:19:22] <half-beard> Brilliant. Okay. Will check it out.
I'm guessing it's going to be a nicer experience than
rsync
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1449[11:19:49] <ayekat> finn0: propose what? changing the
sequence of sourcing files?
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1450[11:20:10] <finn0> yep.
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1451[11:20:11] <ayekat> finn0: I believe there's too many
configurations these days that would be broken by that
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1453[11:21:07] <centrix> alkisg, Thanks for hints. Samba is
working again.
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1454[11:21:17] <finn0> ayekat: I didn't get this "too
many configurations these days". Could you rephrase it?
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1455[11:21:24] <alkisg> centrix: np; I don't know samba, so
I was only able to help with apt :)
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1456[11:21:40] <centrix> Fair enough :)
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1462[11:22:50] <ayekat> finn0: well, users expect bash to behave
in a certain way (in particular: to source a certain set of
configuration files in a certain order)
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1463[11:23:30] <ayekat> finn0: if bash suddenly started sourcing
different things in a different order, those expectations would no
longer be valid
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1466[11:24:05] <finn0> yeah backward compatibility.
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1467[11:24:20] <finn0> is a issue.
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1468[11:24:24] <half-beard> Ratrace, you said you run ZFS for
root. Would you do this for your laptop? How do you know the next
kernel update won't break ZFS?
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1471[11:25:21] <finn0> Does Debian have support for ZFS
filesystem?
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1472[11:25:26] <ratrace> half-beard: i used to run zfs on laptop,
but it was freebsd ; i wouldn't run Zfs on on linux on a
laptop, no
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1474[11:25:46] <ratrace> kernel update breaking zfs, well, you
roll back :)
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1475[11:25:47] <half-beard> Yeah, I figured it's a bad idea
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1476[11:25:55] <ratrace> finn0: yes, but it's buggy
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1478[11:26:38] <half-beard> Haha. But then if you've got
urgent work to do you have to plug in your USB boot drive that you
hopefully remembered to bring with you on the road. Boot that and
then proceed to do unexpected maintenance.
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1479[11:26:49] <finn0> ratrace, ayekat okay thanks.
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1481[11:27:44] <ratrace> half-beard: on the servers where we use
zfs root, we have scripts in initramfs, due to luks unlocking over
ssh, those scripts can easily revert the snapshot if something was
broken
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1551[12:17:50] <ZaZaGX> sounds like a debian program
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1552[12:17:57] <half-beard> Ratrace, that's interesting,
what kind of scripts? Bash? What's the limit of what can be run
in initramfs? What determines the limits?
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1553[12:18:21] <half-beard> Ratrace, is it possible to use
dropbear unlock with WiFi or Bluetooth?
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1561[12:22:20] <ratrace> half-beard: sure, i don't know if
there are wpa_supplicant hooks by default, but one can always write
one, it's just shell scripts
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1563[12:24:05] <ratrace> half-beard: there aren't limits
more than there are for regular root, except it being a ramfs.
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1565[12:25:17] <ratrace> half-beard: initramfs is literally just
an "/init" script in the ramfs, that the kernel executes ;
that scripts loads others that autodetect environment with the sole
purpose to mount the real rootfs and pivots to it
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1567[12:25:59] <ratrace> writing your own is a piece of cake too,
if you understand how it all works:
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1568[12:26:35] <ratrace> and with initramfs-tools it's even
easier as it provides a framework so you just have to write much
simpler hooks and scripts, not the entire logic of it
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1585[12:42:12] <CrazyTux> how can I get the ban on me removed on
##linux?
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1595[12:51:16] <Wulf> CrazyTux: ask sauvin if they're
willing to lift it. And apologize for your behaviour :-)
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1596[12:51:40] <CrazyTux> sauvin: are you there?
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1597[12:52:09] <CrazyTux> sauvin: can you get the ban on me on
##linux lifted?
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1598[12:53:03] <jelly> CrazyTux, ask in ##linux-ops, not here.
Thanks.
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1599[12:53:17] <CrazyTux> ok
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1669[13:29:06] <AinNero> hello, could someone help me reproduce a
thing?
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1670[13:29:10] <AinNero> download
replaced-url
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1671[13:29:24] <AinNero> and then run debian-installer/amd64[0]:
qemu-system-x86_64 -kernel linux -initrd initrd.gz
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1672[13:30:32] <AinNero> because its ending up in a kernel panic
for me and this does seem quite big to be broken
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1677[13:33:25] <AinNero> error behavior is like /init in the
initramfs fails on execve,
replaced-url
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1691[13:43:41] <klys> requested init /bin/ash failed (error -2)
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1692[13:44:08] <ratrace> same here
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1696[13:44:39] <ratrace> AinNero: if you're gonna run it
with qemu-system-x86_64, why just not use the regular iso? also...
stretch?
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1697[13:44:51] <klys> -ENOENT
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1698[13:44:52] <ratrace> regular = netinstall
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1699[13:45:05] <AinNero> ratrace: im doing netboot from the
netboot.tar.gz files
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1700[13:45:14] <klys> which means some library was not found...
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1702[13:45:30] <AinNero> recently all automated installs in my
company started failing, both for stretch and for buster
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1704[13:45:35] <AinNero> which we are currently migrating
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1705[13:45:36] <ratrace> AinNero: oh, right
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1709[13:46:12] <klys> and would you know, /etc/ld.so.conf is
missing in the initrd
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1716[13:49:44] <centrix> I update permissions for a directory to
a user u:user1:rwx /dir and file like u:user1:rw- /dir/* ; Still he
gets "permission denied". The file content gets updated
though. :) What is wrong. No haul in journalctl
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1717[13:49:51] <centrix> Deb10
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1720[13:50:23] <centrix> setfacl
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1723[13:52:05] <centrix> The dir and the files are located here :
"/dev/mapper/vg_root-v0 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1"
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1724[13:52:11] <centrix> fstab
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1728[13:54:52] <centrix> The user is an AD user. He logs in with
no problems + default shell.
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1733[13:56:39] <klys> ainnero,
replaced-url
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1735[13:57:24] <AinNero> klys: is that a fixed one?
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1736[13:57:34] <klys> yes
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1738[13:57:56] <afernandez> Hello at this time I am using a
debian server, is there a reason or how can i fix why the following
command works from command line but not within a script? rm -- *.zip
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1740[13:58:11] <AinNero> klys: getting HTTP 429 there from
different IP's
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1742[13:58:38] <klys> ainnero,
replaced-url
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1755[14:02:43] <klys> afernandez, what's the first line of
your script?
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1758[14:03:18] <afernandez> klys: #!/bin/bash
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1759[14:03:38] <klys> not too sure, see #bash
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1760[14:04:02] <afernandez> they hate me there they say im a
vampire and a dumb fuck. thanks anyway
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1761[14:04:32] <half-beard2> sounds about right for #bash
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1763[14:06:07] <klys> have you tried this: rm -f -- *.zip
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1765[14:07:10] <afernandez> not with an f
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1767[14:07:34] <afernandez> set x gives:
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1768[14:07:35] <afernandez> + rm -- '*.zip'
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1769[14:07:37] <afernandez> rm: cannot remove '*.zip':
No such file or directory
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1770[14:07:37] <colo-work> afernandez, how does "not
work" manifest, exactly?
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1772[14:07:56] <afernandez> colo-work: ^^^^^
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1776[14:07:59] <colo-work> yeah well, your wildcard doesn't
expand because there are no file names ending in .zip in your CWD
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1777[14:08:07] <colo-work> so ut gets passed to the command as a
literal
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1778[14:08:08] <afernandez> oh yes
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1779[14:08:17] <colo-work> and a file named "*.zip"
doesn't exist either
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1780[14:08:18] <afernandez> there are
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1781[14:08:33] <colo-work> your shell thinks otherwise
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1782[14:08:59] <klys> pls, use rm -f when operating automagically
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1783[14:09:00] <colo-work> did you supply the single quotes
around *.zip yourself?
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1784[14:09:15] <afernandez> no, set -x
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1786[14:10:06] <colo-work> well, have your script execute an
"ls" before your "rm"
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1787[14:10:10] <afernandez> colo-work: you are right im cding
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1788[14:10:23] <afernandez> to wrong dir where there are no zips
thank you all.
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1790[14:10:37] <colo-work> np
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1809[14:15:51] <klys> centrix, do you have a uid for your user?
perhaps they should run `id' for you.
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1811[14:16:50] <AinNero> klys: could you elaborate what you fixed
with the initrd?
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1812[14:17:26] <centrix> klys, I can get their ID (id user1) as
the system is hooked up to AD
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1813[14:17:47] <klys> ainnero, I created the file /etc/ld.so.conf
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1814[14:17:51] <centrix> it's above 1000.
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1815[14:18:43] <AinNero> klys: thanks
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1816[14:18:54] <klys> yw
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1817[14:19:13] <alkisg> AinNero: it worked fine for me; use kvm
-m 512, the default 128 isn't enough
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1818[14:19:25] <alkisg> kvm -m 512 -kernel linux -initrd
initrd.gz
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1822[14:21:11] <alkisg> The threshold where it works/fails is kvm
-m 192
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1823[14:21:33] <alkisg> Pitty, debian used to work with 48 last
time I benchmarked that :D
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1828[14:22:58] <klys> ainnero, what
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1829[14:23:09] <klys> centrix, what's the last...
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1830[14:23:14] <klys> sorry ainnero
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1832[14:23:32] <klys> centrix, what's the command you used
to change that file mode
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1834[14:24:19] <centrix> klys, setfacl -m u:user1:rw- /dir/file1
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1836[14:25:12] <klys> centrix, is it 664 or 644 ?
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1841[14:26:47] <centrix> klys 664
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1842[14:27:03] <klys> centrix, and user1 is a member of group
user1 ?
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1846[14:27:56] <klys> also if you change group memberships you
have to logout and log back in
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1847[14:28:26] <greycat> and make sure you aren't
reattaching to an old tmux or screen session that still runs with
the previous privileges
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1848[14:28:53] <centrix> klys, no problem from unix. The
permission denied pops up using Winscp overwriting the file.
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1850[14:29:24] <klys> can the user touch the file
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1852[14:30:01] <centrix> he say the file WAS modified, but he
received permission denied anyways.
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1853[14:30:43] <greycat> is the file owned by some other user,
and possibly winscp is trying to change the permissions on it after
writing to it?
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1854[14:31:07] <AinNero> alkisg: this is a good explanation
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1856[14:31:18] <centrix> Originally was the file created by root
and retains mask of 644. I added myself to the ACL of the file,
tested from unx, checked I get the SAME permissions as him ... no
problem.
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1858[14:31:48] <alkisg> AinNero: at some point you have kernel +
compressed initrd + uncompressed initrd, so it needs quite a bit of
ram. Later on only the RAM usage is lower.
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1859[14:32:38] <centrix> The filesystem is ext4, the user
connects using Winscp and authenticates/authorizes using AD
(winbind). He is in the ACL of the file... Let me do another test
...
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1863[14:33:02] <AinNero> alkisg: wew
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1868[14:34:08] <alkisg> AinNero: kvm -m 192 -kernel linux -initrd
initrd.gz -append 'rdinit=/bin/sh' ==> free ==>
around 90M used after things settle down
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1877[14:37:05] <alkisg> Heh, funny, debian netboot isn't
using initramfs-tools :D
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1879[14:38:39] <centrix> greycat, klys Now I got the screen from
the user. Yes, Winscp complains about setting permissions or
timestamp.
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1880[14:38:57] <greycat> Because only the actual owner of the
file can change the permissions
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1881[14:39:02] <centrix> It says the file was save without
problems though
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1884[14:40:28] <centrix> well_laid_lawn, we can live with that. A
few people will be allowed to edit the file. It makes no sense to
change ownership then
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1885[14:40:39] <ws2k3> so i have a ubuntu 14.04 machine which is
on 100 %[working] (apt-get update). and yes i know i should fck off
to #ubuntu. but ubuntu sucks. debian ftw. and the first thing the
ubuntu guys sad was. ubuntu 14.04 is eol. well. its based on jessie.
still supported. anyone an idea what i can/should debug this?
proberly its one repo. but the things is. the repo works fine in the
browser.
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1886[14:41:02] <greycat> Nice autocomplete.
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1888[14:41:58] <greycat> ws2k3: *plonk*
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1892[14:45:22] <ooAoo> ws2k3: ubuntu's upstream is debian
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1893[14:45:37] <ws2k3> ooAoo: i know... debian rocks.
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1894[14:45:43] <ooAoo> or you can say it is build based on debian
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1895[14:45:51] <ooAoo> :)
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1897[14:45:53] <ws2k3> i know :)
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1898[14:45:55] <greycat> !based on debian
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1899[14:45:55] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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1900[14:46:01] <ooAoo> you got debian 10 buster installed?
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1901[14:46:12] <ooAoo> heard it is just release recently
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1902[14:46:18] <ws2k3> nope ubuntu 14.04 is based on jessie
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1903[14:46:21] <greycat> about 4 weeks ago
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1904[14:46:34] <ooAoo> greycat: any opinion on this new debian?
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1907[14:47:21] <klys> ws2k3, check out the debootstrap utility,
it may be just what you need
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1908[14:48:12] <greycat> It really depends on which
desktop/applications you use. The switch to GNOME/Wayland instead of
GNOME/X11 may be a huge shift for some users, but it does not affect
me (fvwm/X11). The change to su just seems spiteful.
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1909[14:48:22] <NetTerminalGene> guys, gedit launches 0.5 second
delay, it is same for you?
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1910[14:48:36] <NetTerminalGene> on gnome
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1912[14:49:23] <klys> sry, that gnome machine's fan stopped
working. can't help
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1924[14:54:06] <rant> oh no! a program takes 500ms to load?
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1928[14:55:18] <rant> I have mousepad, pluma, and geany and their
load speeds are in that order.. mousepad is the quickest
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1929[14:55:31] <rant> coincidentally their number of features are
also in that order :P
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1932[14:57:13] <Haohmaru> geany uses the scintilla text widget
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1937[14:59:03] <kreyren> Looking for recommendations on apt
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1939[15:00:40] <Bushmills> rant, tried featherpad?
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1940[15:01:48] <klys> kreyren,
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1941[15:01:53] <Bushmills> may load in 2 ms less :)
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1943[15:02:34] <humbot> firefox takes over 10s to load for me
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1944[15:02:39] <kreyren> klys, i have these already ;-;
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1947[15:04:03] <klys> kreyren, have you been literally trying
everything
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1948[15:04:18] <kreyren> klys, most of it
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1953[15:05:46] <klys> kreyren, perhaps look around with pip3 and
cpan, etc. and on github, sourceforge, etc. are you into programming
too?
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1954[15:06:15] <kreyren> klys, yep
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1955[15:06:27] <kreyren> former full-time programmer
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2027[15:51:34] <CrazyTux> hello, are there packages in Debian
that are similar to these useful tools in mx linux?
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2028[15:52:05] <apollo13> most likely
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2029[15:52:15] <CrazyTux> Particularly these packages in the
section "
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2030[15:52:15] <CrazyTux> Tools To Make Common Tasks Easier
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2031[15:52:15] <CrazyTux> "
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2036[15:53:32] <lubko> hello
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2037[15:53:52] <klys> hi
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2038[15:53:53] <CrazyTux> btw, is debian less refined compared to
newbie friendly distros like Mint, Ubuntu and MX Linux?
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2040[15:54:14] <CrazyTux> from the point of view of a newbie, a
non technical end user.
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2042[15:54:53] <humbot> i think it really depends on your use
case and their definition of common tasks
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2045[15:55:42] <humbot> ime wrappers and helper scripts provide
you with a set of defaults which you might want,
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2046[15:56:14] <humbot> or you might have to learn a whole bunch
of parameters or arguments for the tool just as you would with the
basic command
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2047[15:56:28] <lubko> i'm wondering how frequently are new
kernel packages available in unstable, testing and experimental?
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2049[15:56:50] <humbot> only this way you don't learn the
common tool and you don't see it's structure
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2050[15:56:53] <lubko> newest one seems to be 5.0.2 in
experimental, and that's prety old
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2051[15:57:09] <greycat> Last I heard, the 5.x kernel packages
are waiting for some kind of transition, maybe python 2 removal.
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2052[15:57:17] <lubko> ah, i see
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2053[15:57:24] <greycat> #debian-next would be the place to ask
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2054[15:57:51] <klys> that channel is available to users of
irc.oftc.net
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2055[15:57:51] <lubko> oddly, git seems to be regularly updated,
at 5.2.5 now. but binaries are nowhere to be found
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2056[15:57:58] <lubko> greycat: thank you
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2057[15:58:48] <klys> lubko, do you want the .deb for git?
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2058[15:59:52] <lubko> klys: no. what i meant is that the git
with debian/ kernel packaging is being regularly updated:
replaced-url
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2059[16:00:00] <lubko> klys: just the .debs are nowehere to be
found
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2060[16:00:09] <klys> I see what you mean
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2063[16:01:19] <joshuaBPMan1> morning debian people!
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2064[16:01:22] <karlpinc> CrazyTux: Debian has a _lot_ of
software available. This can make it harder for a newbie to pick and
choose. Often the newbie might have to learn something, like how to
search for the software they want using, say packages.debian.org, or
the debtags tool, or the apt-file tool, or....
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2066[16:02:03] <CrazyTux> karlpinc: ok
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2076[16:06:17] <karlpinc> CrazyTux: The synaptic GUI package
manager has a lot of features, but I can't tell you what they
are. I, like many with more experience, tend to avoid the GUI for
lots of reasons people will be happy to go on about. (Probably best
discussed in #debian-offtopic.) FWIW, in this channel we find text
interfaces way easier to support, although of course we'll help
with anything.
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2077[16:06:25] <han-solo> or just `aptituide` :)
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2079[16:07:03] <karlpinc> Yah. I like aptitude and it pulls in a
lot of the features of the other tools.
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2080[16:07:04] <joshuaBPMan1> so I am having a really hard time
creating a complete install DVD or usb stick. I have tried
installing debian on my Macbook 7,1. It has failed at least 10
times. I have had debian installed on it before....The last time I
tried burning a DVD via the debian 64 netinstall iso, the DVD was
spit out about halfway through.
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2081[16:07:20] <greycat> It may also be worth mentioning that
synaptic doesn't fully work (can't do root-stuff) under
Wayland.
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2082[16:07:27] <CrazyTux> karlpinc: ok
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2083[16:07:40] <joshuaBPMan1> I have then tried burning a usb
stick via "dd if=debian-64-netinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb".
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2084[16:07:59] <joshuaBPMan1> The usb sticks evenutally end up
telling me a file is corrupted and it cannot install. What am I
doing wrong?
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2085[16:08:11] <han-solo> do a sync ?
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2086[16:08:13] <karlpinc> greycat: I don't know anything
about wayland. Is it because it's stupid to run GUIs as root?
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2087[16:08:22] <greycat> that's part of it, yes
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2088[16:08:24] <joshuaBPMan1> han-solo. I am doing that as well.
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2089[16:08:59] <han-solo> or `dd bs=4M if=path/to/input.iso
of=/dev/sd? conv=fdatasync status=progress`
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2090[16:09:03] <han-solo> is what i usually do
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2091[16:09:10] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan1: Is this dd on the mac? I
hear tell that MacOS does not reallly do dd, it just has something
called dd that does "special things" depending on the data
it's moving around.
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2092[16:09:13] <greycat> Long-term, the correct fix for synaptic
would be to restructure it so the GUI portion runs as *you*, and
communicates with an elevated-privilege daemon that does all the
actual root-stuff.
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2100[16:11:16] <joshuaBPMan1> karlpinc: I am currently running a
mac 4,1. It is running debian.
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2101[16:12:28] <joshuaBPMan1> karlpinc: I just tried using
brasero to burn my DVD. It spit the DVD out. It then told me an
"unknown error occured when trying to burn the DVD.
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2102[16:12:38] <joshuaBPMan1> han-solo: Why the 4m?
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2104[16:13:09] <joshuaBPMan1> han-solo: Also, does running dd
multiple times on the same usb stick damage the usb stick?
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2106[16:13:34] <klys> naw
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2108[16:14:20] <joshuaBPMan1> ok. I guess I'll try that
again
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2109[16:14:24] <tsujp_> how can I view networking history on
debian?
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2112[16:14:31] <tsujp_> That is, my KBps and in?
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2113[16:14:36] <tsujp_> Is there something logging that by
default?
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2115[16:14:37] <humbot> i'm sure i zeroed a usb stick once
and it just died
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2120[16:15:01] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan1: You _could_ check the
hash of the iso to be sure the download went right.
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2122[16:15:34] <joshuaBPMan1> karlpinc: I probably should do that
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2123[16:15:50] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan1: Unlikely problem, but you
have a strange problem so....
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2127[16:16:42] <CQ> hello, I jsut upgraded my stretch to buster,
and now I only get a normal console, not a desktop. I am using xfce
... any suggestions?
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2128[16:16:46] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan1: It is also remotely
possible you have bad ram in your box. memtest86+ is called for to
test that.
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2129[16:16:48] <winny> you might do well to try with cdrecord
directly, it'll tell you error messages that will highlight the
problem
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2131[16:17:28] <karlpinc> CQ: First step is to check the logs.
The X log in particular.
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2132[16:17:43] <joshuaBPMan1> do you mean my current macbook ?
The one i am talking to you right now?
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2134[16:18:15] <klys> cq, login to your user account and look for
~/.xsession and see if it says xfce and then type startx
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2136[16:19:34] <CQ> I don't have a .xsession, but I do have
a .xsession-errors from 2015 ; )
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2137[16:19:35] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan1: The box that's doing
the burning/dd-ing.
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2139[16:19:46] <joshuaBPMan1> ok thanks
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2140[16:20:03] <klys> cq, for starters you might put xterm in
there. chmod +x .xsession; startx
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2142[16:20:23] <CQ> ok, startx seems to give me the xfce4 desktop
just fine... is the display manager missing / badly configured?
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2143[16:20:44] <greycat> Either that, or you've told systemd
to boot into multi-user.target instead of graphical.target
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2145[16:20:57] <greycat> what does "systemctl
get-default" say?
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2147[16:21:48] <CQ> graphical.target
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2148[16:22:03] <greycat> Then it sounds like a display manager
either isn't installed at all, or is disabled.
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2149[16:22:18] <CQ> rebooting again to make sure we're not
chasing ghosts...
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2150[16:22:26] <joshuaBPMan1> karlpinc: I guess my main issues
started happening when I swapped my memory and hard drives from my
macbooks. 7,1 and 4,1.
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2151[16:22:30] <humbot> oh weirdly i have graphical.target on
this tty only machine
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2152[16:22:37] <greycat> humbot: same here. it's fine.
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2153[16:22:48] <greycat> if there isn't a display manager
installed, it can't run one.
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2154[16:22:51] <humbot> sure
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2157[16:23:40] <CQ> greycat how can I check that? maybe it got
removed withthe autoremoves ...
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2158[16:24:01] <CQ> I think I have ldm on another machine?
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2159[16:24:45] <greycat> I guess I'd start with something
like "dpkg -l \*dm"
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2160[16:25:08] <greycat> although there's also gdm3 because
they just HAVE to be difficult
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2161[16:25:26] <CQ> gdm3 and lightdm are both listed as
"rc" ... which one should I install? Guess they
disappeared somehow
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2162[16:25:40] <greycat> rc means it was removed but not purged
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2164[16:25:53] <CQ> yes, I know.
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2165[16:25:55] <greycat> non-GNOME users typically go with
lightdm, I think
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2166[16:25:59] <CQ> ok, thanks
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2172[16:28:28] <humbot> xfce4 usually has lightdm yes, works
pretty well
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2177[16:30:18] <CQ> greycat, problem solved, thanks!!
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2188[16:34:31] <Akuw> hi
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2189[16:34:40] <hero44322> /opt/cmake/bin/cmake -version shows
the version of cmake I have since I built from source. How do I add
it to bash so I can cmake -version instead for example.
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2191[16:34:53] <hero44322> bash: cmake: command not found
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2194[16:35:10] <hero44322> I removed the debian package version
beforehand
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2196[16:35:12] <Akuw> i am trying to mount a Hp Proliant server
partition, server has an disk array by hardware
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2198[16:35:30] <Akuw> Proliant DL 385 G7
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2200[16:36:20] <Akuw> i trie with mount /dev/sda1 /media and got
unknow filesystem type 'VMFS_volume_member'
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2203[16:36:54] <karlpinc> hero44322: You need to add
/opt/cmake/bin to your $PATH.
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2204[16:37:29] <hero44322> Ah okay
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2205[16:38:01] <hero44322>
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
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2206[16:38:11] <Bushmills> hero44322: PATH problem. Consider to
use an alias, or symlink relevant bins to /usr/local/bin.
Alternatively, add /opt/cmake/bin in a wrapper script called for
compilation to PATH
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2210[16:39:17] <Akuw> this server is using Vmware ESXi
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2213[16:40:11] <karlpinc> hero44322: You might consider asking
the bot more regards below:
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2214[16:40:13] <karlpinc> !usrlocal
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2215[16:40:13] <dpkg> When hand-compiling software, *always*
create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For
example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure
--prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files
which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can
break this application's files because it doesn't know
about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>,
<checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb>
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2220[16:41:21] <Bushmills> Akuw, you may need vmfs-tools
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2229[16:45:08] <rant> Bushmills: no, I haven't. I never
heard of it.. I am not having any issues I was just commenting on
someone saying gedit took half a second to load..
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2230[16:46:13] <Bushmills> rant, I'm aware if it, my reply
was also meant as tongue-in-cheek - while the editor is real, the
launch saving time may be marginal
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2232[16:47:21] <Bushmills> especially on a fast box
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2235[16:48:54] <rant> Bushmills: ah.. well, I always appreciate
humor, I just didnt realize it was a joke.. didnt see any
":P" in there
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2236[16:49:20] <Bushmills> that'd be giving it away,
woudn't it?
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2237[16:49:42] <rant> Bushmills: my current machine is a Thinkpad
T440, 4th gen Core i5 w/ 8GB ram and a SATA SSD, so I have no issues
with speed really
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2240[16:50:53] <Bushmills> rather similar here. i7 2nd gen, other
identical
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2241[16:50:57] <rant> considering the best machine I had prior to
this was probably a T61 Core2Duo with maybe 3GB ram, and for years
prior to getting this, I was fooling with first an orangepi lite as
my desktop, then an HP T520 thin client.. this seems super fast to
me
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2247[16:52:13] <Bushmills> replace orangepi against odroid xu4,
and we're on same page again here
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2248[16:52:14] <rant> I'm thoroughly impressed with the
modern-ish thinkpads.. the battery life and speed blows me away.. I
can hardly believe how light weight and cool it is, the fan rarely
ever runs, I am rarely over 5W power consumption, I get typically
16hrs or so battery life.. its just hard to imagine
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2251[16:53:00] <rant> idk how the hell they managed to get so
much processing power into a device and still keep it cool without
the fan running and with such low power consuption
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2256[16:53:29] <Bushmills> maybe by you not demanding all that
processing power all the time
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2257[16:53:51] <Bushmills> idling can be power efficient :)
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2258[16:54:56] <rant> I used to demonstrate to people I was
planning to switch to linux the ability of it to juggle.. and
I'd just open up every app in the menu.. to show them it doesnt
bog it down.. and I've tried that on this machine.. many tabs
in the browser with JS hungry websites, opening many large photos in
gimp, videos in kdenlive, audio in audacity.. etc.. I can't get
it to sweat at all even trying to exxagerate the
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2259[16:55:02] <rant> load beyond what I'd ever ask of it
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2263[16:55:51] <Bushmills> I may be able to help you turning on
the fan ...
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2266[16:56:22] <rant> yeah the fan will kick on but the ram/cpu
usage I never really get at or above 50% of what it has to offer no
matter how hard I try
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2269[16:56:46] <rant> realistically using the machine, I am
usually at 25% or less overall utilization
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2275[16:57:44] <Bushmills> rant,
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2277[16:57:56] <rant> that fan thing and the low power
consumption baffles me more than the raw processing power of the
machine.. I just really dont understand how the entire system is
using less than 5W
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2284[16:58:54] <Bushmills>
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2285[16:59:07] <rant> I'm currently on wifi, backlight about
50%, keyboard backlight at about 50%, and I am drawing 4.1W its just
amazing
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2287[16:59:46] <rant> I am used to even a mobile CPU alone
drawing more power than this not even considering the backlight,
wifi, etc..
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2288[17:00:11] <rant> my current estimate says 20hrs of battery
life
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2292[17:01:22] <rant> I'm just blown away by it.. especially
considering I didnt pay a dime for this machine :P
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2297[17:02:00] <Bushmills> meaning of that what keeps machine
busy os not for sake of keeping it busy, instead i needed some sort
of reference for a specific kind of copro on another device, meant
to do largest part of what that machine was just busy with. I just
want to see how that copro will fare against a pure software
solution
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2299[17:02:43] <Bushmills> if it can make my machine sweat, it
can do yours too :)
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2300[17:02:45] <rant> I traded some college kid who is a huge
thinkpad fan, was trying to get a collection going.. traded him an
old t42p and a few broken t61 and t500.. and he decked this machine
out.. fitted it with a 1080p screen which wasnt even an option on
the T440, put in the 3 button touchpad..etc
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2302[17:03:38] <rant> I tried to tell him the T42p was really old
and not that impressive a machine but he was thrilled by it.. heh..
I felt like I was rippin him off, but he insisted he was happy
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2304[17:04:56] <rant> gotta love real synergy in life.. where you
can do things where everyone is satisfied :D
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2350[17:23:19] <davide> hello
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2353[17:24:11] <davide> I need to install both sid and testing in
order to working on Debian ?
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2356[17:24:52] <Logg> No davide, "sid" and
"testing" are "release channels".
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2357[17:25:18] <Logg> a release channel is made up of a set of
packages, and the ones in "testing" and "sid"
are less stable than the ones in "stable"
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2362[17:29:36] <jim> davide, "working on debian"? what
do you want to do?
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2363[17:29:44] <davide> Need I to install both sid and testing in
order to do development job on Debian ? I mean helping in find and
solve bugs for the next release
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2364[17:30:24] <rant> davide: you can use a virtual machine or
chroot for these purposes.. install stable
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2365[17:30:39] <jim> probably you want testing, and one thing
there will be to test, is the debian installer
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2366[17:31:10] <rant> it makes more sense to just install stable
and do the testing on top of a stable platform
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2368[17:31:58] <rant> unless you have a lot of spare hardware
laying around and are going to be doing some kind of
testing/development that requires native access
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2370[17:32:25] <rant> in which case, you are in the wrong
channel, cause we support stable here, and we're always going
to recommend that
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2371[17:32:42] <rant> !testing
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2372[17:32:42] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<bullseye>. See
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2373[17:32:49] <jim> davide, maybe you could install more than
one: have a stable, and a testing and maybe also an unstable
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2375[17:33:07] <jim> if you have lots of disk space laying around
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2376[17:33:18] <Psyndrome> Hi
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2377[17:33:27] <jim> hi
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2379[17:34:52] <davide> Yes I have an entire SSD I can use for
install different branch of the distro
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2383[17:35:51] <rant> davide: do you actually have a question?
something you need support with? because I'm not seeing one.
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2384[17:36:06] <jim> btw, I don't see how it makes sense to
test for bugs in a branch that's already released... if you
find bugs there, they're less likely to be fixed unless
they're security-oriented, or otherwise serious
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2385[17:36:09] <Psyndrome> I installed an HDD formatted it as
ext4 then i followed a bunch of commands to make it usable but now
every time i relogin to the system it is asking for password again
and again
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2387[17:36:29] <Psyndrome> How do i make it do that by itself
with no password?
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2388[17:37:04] <jim> if you find bugs in testing, you can help
debian more by reporting and/or fixing them
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2390[17:37:17] <rant> Psyndrome: you need to be more specific
about the password.. you included misleading details that one could
interpret as disk encryption.. there are many forms of passwords and
logins.. console, display manager, ssh, etc..
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2391[17:37:34] <davide> I have already ask my question
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2392[17:37:42] <rant> Psyndrome: are you asking how to make the
system boot to a GUI desktop without a password?
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2393[17:38:08] <davide> I mean I have already wrote my question,
thanks for you answers
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2394[17:38:38] <rant> davide: perhaps you think you did.. and I
suspect you may not be a native english speaker because while you
put a question mark on that, it was not a question, it was a
statement
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2396[17:38:49] <jim> davide, are you looking at all, at becoming
a debian developer?
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2398[17:39:39] <rant> I need to... is a statement. one without
any context in this case
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2400[17:40:47] <Psyndrome> Im asking about how to mount the new
installed HDD automatically without asking me for password every
time i accessing the content but if you tell me how to access the
gui without it will be useful as well
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2401[17:40:48] <jim> rant, you're not a parsing algorithm...
you have human intelligence you can use to help communicate
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2404[17:42:22] <rant> jim: and I'm not being overly anal
here.. there is no context.. even if I insert "do" in
there to make it a grammatically correct question, its one that can
only be speculated at best.. because we don't know if you do
need to do something, if we don't know what it is you're
trying to DO :P
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2406[17:43:14] <rant> Psyndrome: ah, so the HDD is external then?
and you're saying it's asking for a password to do a
mount? or is the hdd encrypted?
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2408[17:44:30] <rant> Psyndrome: if its a normal unencrypted
drive, you need only make an fstab entry for it.. the specifics
depend on your providing more specifics about what it is
(removable/fixed) and what you want to do with it, i.e. where you
want it mounted
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2409[17:44:33] <jim> rant, what I do in situations like that, is
I -gently- ask for the information that's missing... also, I
try to make statements that include as much informatiuon that would
otherwise be missing
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2414[17:46:15] <rant> jim: and we were doing that. its not a big
deal.. near as I can tell we satisfied the curiousity with assumed
advice.. which as I already stated, proves there was no actual
question there, no actual issue for support.. they were just looking
for general advice on testing and are satisfied with the responses
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2416[17:46:53] <Psyndrome> the HDD is normal but i added it after
the installation of the system and it is keep asking for password
but weather or not is encrypted i dont think so
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2420[17:47:43] <Psyndrome> By default is mounted in media
username location and its easy accessible from the places tab from
my MATE desktop
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2422[17:48:07] <rant> Psyndrome: sounds like you don't
really know what you are trying to do.. what is it you want to use
this HDD for.. lets start with that? Is it an internal fixed disk,
or is it something you will be removing like a USB drive?
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2424[17:48:34] <jim> Psyndrome, did the system ask for a password
before the drive was installed?
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2425[17:48:47] <rant> things are usually only mounted to /media/
if they are removable media
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2428[17:49:48] <rant> Psyndrome: if you are unable to answer
these questions than perhaps you can run some commands to provide us
with some information.
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2429[17:49:51] <Psyndrome> The HDD is normal and im already using
it as a stash in some sort but for every reloging need a password to
remount itself
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2430[17:50:06] <Psyndrome> just by clicking on the device icon
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2432[17:50:33] <rant> Psyndrome: (lsblk;cat /etc/fstab)|nc
termbin.com 9999
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2437[17:54:16] <Psyndrome> jim the system ask me for my password
for almost everything i install or login or that hdd remounts
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2440[17:54:57] <rant> so you are just generally not wanting to
type passwords, this has little to do with the HDD
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2441[17:55:00] <jim> Psyndrome, ok, what about before you
installed the new drive?
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2444[17:55:54] <rant> sounds more like a polkit/sudo/keyring
kinda question
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2445[17:56:04] <jim> I wonder if the new drive has encrypted
content
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2447[17:56:33] <rant> yes, well that is why I asked repeatedly
about the specifics and even asked to see lsblk and fstab so I can
figure it out for myself definitively :P
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2448[17:58:14] <Psyndrome> i didnt encrypted anything cause i
dont know how but if the gparted tool is doing it by itself i dont
know
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2452[18:01:33] <rant> if you encrypted it, you'd probably
know.. you'd at the very least have had to create a password
for the disk
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2453[18:02:16] <rant> the fact of the matter is, after all
you've said, I dont think your issue has anything at all to do
with this hdd.. you are just asking about not having to keep typing
the password into polkit dialogs.. for installing packages, etc..
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2454[18:02:58] <rant> and if thats the case, the question is, do
you just want to eliminate the need altogether and just allow your
user to do these things without a password?
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2455[18:03:20] <rant> I've configured my father's
machine to just never ask for a password to use the package manager
or anything
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2457[18:03:51] <rant> on my system I just use my built-in
fingerprint scanner for these things
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2459[18:05:38] <rant> if you just want to eliminate passwords
altogether for admin tasks, my recommendation is to install and
configure sudo with NOPASSWD: ALL directive for %sudo and add your
user to the sudo group, disable the root account, and then configure
polkit to respect sudo
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2465[18:06:50] <jim> rant, what if that wasn't the case? in
other words, what if he had a drive that he didn't know had
encrypted content?
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2466[18:07:59] <Psyndrome> When i insert a flash drive for
example its mounted on the same place as the hdd with the only
difference when i click on the hdd icon needs a password because its
not mounted but just visible from the icon
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2467[18:08:05] <rant> disabling the root account is optional but
I recommend it because if a user doesnt regularly use the rootpw
anymore.. they are unlikely to choose a good pw and update it
frequently.. which could introduce a security issue at some point if
a service is isntalled that allows root logins.. where if root is
disabled, it cannot be accessed remotely via a login.. can only be
accessed via sudo which requires a
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2468[18:08:11] <rant> login to a sudo user first.. which
you'd be maintaing a better pw policy on
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2469[18:08:13] <Psyndrome> When i insert the password it is
mounted and usable
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2472[18:08:42] <rant> typically that would indicate that the hdd
is encrypted.. is there a lock icon on the HDD icon?
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2478[18:10:00] <rant> jim: idk what you're asking
specifically but the user also mentioned installing packages and
such.. which means their frustration with typing passwords often has
to do with polkit in general not specifically this hdd..
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2482[18:10:59] <Psyndrome> no lock icon
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2484[18:11:42] <rant> aside from the nopasswords solution I
proposed, there is also use of a keyring.. which is usually default
behavior.. when a polkit dialog comes up it says "forget
immediately, remember until logout, remember forever" if you
dont read the dialog and select an option, then you're just at
a PICNIC
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2489[18:12:53] <rant> the default is usually to forget the
password immediately
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2490[18:13:02] <rant> unless you read the dialog and select
another option
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2491[18:13:13] <rant> which then uses your login keyring to store
the password
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2504[18:18:36] <seven-eleven> hi
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2505[18:18:47] <seven-eleven> how can I run a reproducible
package myself in debian?
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2506[18:18:51] <jim> rant, so he's getting requests from the
system to type in passwords because polkit is misconfigured?
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2510[18:19:36] <rant> its not misconfigured per-se its just
default configured.. thats how the system works, you try to do
something that requires root permissions, it prompts for a
password.. like running synaptic, or mounting a volume
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2512[18:19:52] <rant> if you want different behavior, you have to
configure it differently
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2513[18:20:02] <jim> seven-eleven, debianized source knows how to
do the build -and- produce packages
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2516[18:20:32] <rant> but we're dancing around unknown
issues here.. we never got at the specifics of how this HDD is
configured, what kind of HDD it is.. or what behavior is desired
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2518[18:20:38] <Psyndrome> so how do i recall this configuration
tool?
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2519[18:20:48] <rant> there is no configuration tool
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2520[18:21:00] <Psyndrome> what is it then?
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2521[18:21:01] <rant> I can tell you how to do it once you tell
me what it is you want
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2523[18:21:19] <rant> do you just want to give your user
admin/root privs without a password?
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2524[18:21:19] <seven-eleven> jim, the package deb contains the
precompiled binaries? I'm curious to do the reproducible build
locally
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2527[18:22:36] <rant> and really if you're this
inexperienced of a user you probably wouldnt benefit from sudo
much.. but it doesnt hurt to use sudo cause it not only allows you
to use that to issue terminal commands, but some things still use
sudo, though most GUI are using polkit now
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2529[18:22:50] <rant> but you can certainly just setup sudo and
tell polkit to use that
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2531[18:23:28] <Psyndrome> the volume mounting with password by
default is the issue you listed
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2532[18:23:52] <trek00> seven-eleven: you need to rebuild it
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2534[18:25:15] <rant> Psyndrome: if the HDD is the real issue you
want to address, I need more information.. which I asked for twice
and gave you a command to provide it.. if you want to just eliminate
root password prompts altogether its a multi-step process we can go
through but it still requires you to listen and do what I'm
telling you.. it involves commands and editing files.. stuff
you've so far not demonstrated the ability
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2535[18:25:21] <rant> to do
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2538[18:26:22] <rant> I am still not clear on if this HDD is
removable i.e. USB or is internal i.e. a fixed disk, where you want
it mounted, or what sort of disk layout it is.. if there is lvm,
encryption, etc
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2539[18:27:15] <rant> what I do know is, that in my experience,
plugging in a USB hdd that is not encrypted just mounts to /media/
without any clicking or passwords, or in my case like the USB HDD I
currently have attached, which is encrypted.. I have to as you say,
provide a password to access it
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2540[18:28:19] <Psyndrome> It is internal connected with sata
cables
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2541[18:28:44] <rant> Psyndrome: as a more general advice.. you
need to understand this is not like MacOS or Windows or such.. in
Debian we have 7 major Desktop Environments, and thousands of other
packages you can mix and match.. one Debian system is possibly
totally different than another.. so we can't just generically
offer advice without details
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2543[18:29:35] <rant> Psyndrome: ok, well an internal fixed disk
should not be mounting to /media/ the reason it is in this case is
likely because you never finished setting it up.. you made no entry
in fstab to tell the system where you want it to be.. so thats why
you have to click on it and provide a password
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2545[18:30:19] <rant> Psyndrome: fstab is a configuration file
that tells the system where filesystems are located and where you
want them mounted.. if you tell fstab that this new hdd exists, and
where you want it mounted, you can then set it to auto mount
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2547[18:30:39] <rant> Psyndrome: sounds to me then like you want
this to be a permanent disk that is automaticaly mounted at boot
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2549[18:30:57] <rant> Psyndrome: so then the only remaining
question is, WHERE would you like it to be mounted?
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2550[18:31:26] <rant> Psyndrome: and I still need to see the
output of the lsblk command regardless and preferably your fstab as
well..
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2551[18:31:42] <rant> Psyndrome: (lsblk; cat /etc/fstab)|nc
termbin.com 9999
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2552[18:31:58] <rant> Psyndrome: type that command above into a
terminal window, it will return a URL
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2554[18:32:32] <rant> I would need that information to tell you
how to configure the disk properly to automount
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2559[18:34:12] <rant> Psyndrome: is any of this making sense or
do you need help with understanding how to open a terminal and
issuing commands?
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2562[18:34:35] <Psyndrome> Is it a problem if its mounted on the
same place?
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2563[18:34:38] <uranium> whoami uranium
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2565[18:34:41] <Psyndrome> no problem for me to open a terminal
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2566[18:34:46] <Guest37199> whois uranium
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2568[18:34:58] <rant> Psyndrome: you mean to configure fstab to
mount it to where it is mounted NOW?
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2570[18:35:15] <Psyndrome> Is that an issue?
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2571[18:35:33] <rant> Psyndrome: not really.. but I still need to
see the information I've asked for to tell you what to do
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2573[18:35:54] <rant> Psyndrome: mounting it to /media/ has the
benefit of that the drive will always appear on your desktop
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2576[18:36:28] <rant> but if thats what you want, you will need
to unmount it first and create the mountpoint as a persistent mount
point
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2578[18:36:55] <rant> because the default behavior your are using
now, the mountpoints are created on-demand by udev
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2579[18:37:10] <rant> for fstab to automount it, you need the
mount point to be permanent
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2580[18:38:07] <rant> if you don't provide the information
I've asked for I can't do much more than generically
explain how it works and how its done
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2581[18:39:20] <rant> without an fstab entry the system only
knows the device exists because of udev daemon finding it.. which
makes it show up in your file manager allowing you to click on it
ant provide the root password to mount it
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2585[18:40:28] <rant> whereby a mount point is generated on the
fly, and its mounted to /media/user/ to make it appear on your
desktop
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2589[18:41:04] <rant> via freedesktop.org standards :P
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2593[18:41:43] <rant> jim: are you understanding how the process
you seem to suggest I use is a circle jerk?
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2594[18:42:06] <rant> we need users to just ask better questions
and provide more info.
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2595[18:42:17] <greycat> The holy grail of IRC.
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2596[18:42:22] <greycat> And tech support in general.
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2597[18:42:27] <rant> otherwise we just keep going round and
round like I been doing here
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2599[18:42:38] <rant> I can explain the processes in detail, but
its not getting this issue resolves
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2601[18:42:56] <rant> and I would imagine the explaination isnt
making much sense to the user
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2602[18:43:32] <Psyndrome> it is make sense im just tired its
exactly what you say
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2603[18:43:51] <rant> its now apparent to me why the password
dialogs are comming up.. if they'd provided the info from lsblk
and fstab an hour ago, I'd have known this and solved it
already :D
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2604[18:44:20] <rant> Psyndrome: so then you /are/ experienced
enough to resolve this then, you are just groggy?
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2610[18:45:18] <rant> really all you need is a "/dev/sdc
/media/user/foo ext4 defaults 0 0" or such line in /etc/fstab..
but the specifics would be the information from lsblk
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2611[18:45:34] <rant> but you also need to unmount the partition
first and create the mountpoint with mkdir so its persistent
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2612[18:45:41] <seven-eleven> trek00, i assume `debuild` compares
the build with the signature provided in the .dsc file, if so how is
this reproducible if the package .dsc file is shipped together from
the same repository, could both tampered with?
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2614[18:46:00] <rant> and since its ext4 you would also need to
insure the permissions are correct on the filesystem to be able to
access it
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2615[18:46:05] <greycat> Using /dev/sdc in fstab is a bad idea in
the long run, because /dev/sdc may be /dev/sdd or /dev/sdb next time
you boot.
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2617[18:46:20] <rant> yes well I can't be specific without
specific information :D
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2618[18:46:30] <rant> I'm just generalizing here
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2619[18:46:58] <rant> it would be best to take the info from
lsblk and plug it into blkid and use the UUID
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2620[18:47:28] <jim> rant, yeah, that is true... for that,
it's good if the users want to do it, and feel good about doing
so... beating em up for not asking a question correctly will leave
them with a bad taste in their mouth, which they'll recognize,
and the next time it comes, they'll feel bad about asking
anything
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2622[18:47:31] <rant> but I have nfc what that information is
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2625[18:48:14] <rant> jim: fair enough.. greycat and I both know
and have done such.. but you also gotta understand we're busy
doing other things.. I spent like an hour pising around with this
not doing what I would've been doing otherwise..
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2627[18:48:32] <rant> if a user is taught how to ask better
questions and provide better info, then we can just look in and
answer without doing all this
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2632[18:49:39] <rant> I know this all too well cause not only
have I been here nearly two decades, but I've proposed a
project to develop a series of software-based solutions to address
this.. its just not getting any traction.. I need programmers to
help make it a reality
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2634[18:50:00] <rant>
replaced-url
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2635[18:50:07] <Psyndrome> I did the permissions commands earlier
with some sort of chown and chmod commands thats how im using it
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2637[18:50:20] <rant> its a huge and highly ambitious project..
with no support as of yet
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2638[18:50:22] <Psyndrome> sorry about your tme
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2639[18:50:24] <Psyndrome> time
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2640[18:50:43] <rant> Psyndrome: no worries, I got plenty of
time.. I'm just trying to make a point here about deficits in
our support
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2641[18:51:01] <rant> and where the real problem lies..
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2642[18:51:17] <rant> us volunteer supporters being more coddling
isn't going to be the solution
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2643[18:52:00] <rant> the system is growing rapidly.. we are
getting more and more users, more and more pieces to support.. etc..
we need to adjust the tools we use not the way we interact..
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2644[18:52:34] <trek00> seven-eleven: you can rebuild the package
and then compare if they are bit-to-bit comparable
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2652[18:55:30] <jim> rant, isn't that a tautology? :)
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2654[18:55:49] <seven-eleven> trek00, gotcha, thanks
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2655[18:56:06] <Psyndrome> You are very helpful ill manage to do
it later
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2656[18:56:15] <Psyndrome> im just tired didnt eat all day
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2658[18:56:52] <Psyndrome> Sorry about that
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2660[18:56:56] <seven-eleven> Psyndrome, oh, when I'm low
sugar I'm also grumpy, i hope you have good dinner :-)
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2662[18:57:24] <Psyndrome> yes thank you
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2664[18:57:27] <Psyndrome> see you later
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2667[18:58:49] <rant> I have had the vision I outlined in that
manifesto of sorts on that project page for nearly a decade.. it
would I think solve the problem permanently.. but its going to be a
LOT of work.. I vision for the less experienced users, a frontend
similar to Windows(tm) Help and Support Center that includes access
to manpages, wiki, forums, bts, chat and mailing lists, and remote
desktop support options.. and a
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2668[18:58:55] <rant> series of backends and such that make that
easy to use interface interact with experienced users on their terms
without them having to change the way they prefer to do things
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2670[18:59:38] <jhutchins> rant: This is not a philosophy
channel.
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2671[18:59:43] <rant> fair enough
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2677[19:02:26] <trek00> rant: what about improving debian wiki?
even if I never used archlinux, I always uses their wiki to resolve
my issues, is this a sign? :)
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2678[19:02:47] <greycat> If you find a Debian wiki page that
needs help, help it.
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2683[19:03:51] <trek00> greycat: anyone can sign up to debian
wiki?
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2684[19:03:57] <rant> trek00: yes
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2686[19:04:23] <trek00> rant: i thought it wasn't possible,
good to know
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2689[19:05:07] <rant> I would like to put some effort into the
wiki.. but even with our slow pace, the wiki is so far behind it
needs nearly rewritten.. I have not been able to figure out a system
that suits me to help identify what is outdated and needs to be
changed and to change it.. its not as simple as the pruning factoids
in the bot which I do as it comes up in here
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2693[19:06:00] <aakko> yeah. lots of pre systemd stuff in the
wiki
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2697[19:06:42] <rant> I dont like having to deal with the web
interface and mediawiki markup crap.. thats not my preferred way of
doing things.. which is why I proposed putting our efforts into
designing better tools that adapt to the needs of each kind of user
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2699[19:08:06] <trek00> rant: I think your project is trying to
address something that is definitively needed, but it seems to me
most of the work is to instructs users how to diagnose and search
for answers
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2704[19:09:18] <aakko> gentoo wiki is really nice. works great on
mobile too
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2705[19:09:25] <rant> trek00: yeah, well its trying to bridge
gaps.. is the idea. To allow each user to use whatever method is
preferable to them and still have access to the same resources
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2712[19:11:26] <trek00> rant: from my very personal point of
view, i find simpler to fix things instead trying to explain
something to inexperienced users, but i lacks of social skills
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2713[19:11:38] <rant> I also recently have been noodling an idea
about making a new screencasting tool of sorts, that could automate
making things like wiki entries.. something that rather than just
captures video, it captures events.. and creates more metadata so
you can just DO something and record it to a manpage, wiki entry,
howto video, pdf, or any format.. so the tool would generate
something with more metadata indexing the
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2715[19:11:44] <rant> process by what you DO not just what it
sees, so you could have a TOC attached to a video or extract
screenshots of individual steps, etc.. and would facilitate going
back and changing only pieces of it easily where things have changed
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2718[19:12:29] <rant> I am not a very skilled or experienced
programmer, more of a dabbler.. and these kinds of things are highly
advanced pieces of software..
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2720[19:13:09] <rant> My best idea on getting it happening is to
get my stuff together, and perhaps invest in making a nonprofit and
raising the funds to pay people to do it
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2724[19:15:20] <rant> but I digress.. can bs about this stuff in
an offtopic channel or other places.. I'm always around.. if
anyone has ideas or plans of how to make these things happen
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2729[19:17:47] <trek00> rant: "we don't really want
those kinds of users who are inexperienced because they're just
going to become a draw on our resources without contributing to our
project" what's about a stackexchange-like website for
debian? :)
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2730[19:19:13] <jken> Hello, I am trying to build a kernel with
this driver built in:
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2731[19:19:29] <rant> trek00: yeah, we should talk about it
elsewhere but those sorts of ideas are in there.. having a ratings
based system like that
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2734[19:20:07] <trek00> rant: I see now there are many opensource
alternatives to stackexchange
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2735[19:20:24] <rant> ,pciid 10ec:818b
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2736[19:20:25] <judd> [10ec:818b] is 'RTL8192EE PCIe
Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co.,
Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8192ee' in stretch. See
also
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2737[19:20:55] <rant> ,pciid 10ec:8812
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2738[19:20:56] <judd> [10ec:8812] is 'RTL8812AE 802.11ac
PCIe Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor
Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8821ae' in stretch.
See also
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2739[19:21:18] <rant> jken: my sources suggest this driver is
already available in debian
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2740[19:21:23] * rant checks his kernel
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2741[19:21:52] <trek00> jken: it should be already included in
standard debian kernel
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2742[19:21:59] <jken> I am trying to compile my kernel with that
driver as a built in.
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2743[19:22:15] <rant> jken: ah, not as a module you mean?
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2744[19:22:20] <jken> right.
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2745[19:22:34] <rant> jken: does the one in debian work for you?
the module?
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2746[19:22:49] <rant> jken: cause if so, no need to go upstream,
just need to rebuil the debian kernel with different options
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2747[19:23:33] <jken> yes it does
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2748[19:23:41] <jken> That's exactly what I am trying to do
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2750[19:24:26] <jken> I basically booted the stock stretch
kernel, grabed the output of lsmod, and then did a localyesconfig
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2752[19:24:42] <trek00> jken: you said you can't find it in
the ncurses configuration, checking theri Kconfig file, you should
find it under "Realtek rtlwifi family of devices"
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2754[19:25:32] <rant> jken: is that the ONLY thing you are
wanting to change?
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2755[19:25:50] <jken> trek00, under "Wireless Lan" I
have "Realtek Devices" but it does not seem to set the
flags in my config
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2756[19:25:57] <rant> cause you don't really need to hunt
for it in the ncurses config, you can just change the config
directly
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2757[19:26:02] <Bushmills> strictly speaking is sid not a
"release channel" because sid is no release
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2758[19:26:02] <rant> grep makes that much simpler
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2761[19:27:00] <jken> rant, I've also disabled all the
modules I don't need for this system
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2762[19:27:00] <jken> but yes
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2764[19:27:10] <rant> jken: is this for an embedded system
application?
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2765[19:27:26] <jken> not technically, its an x86 system.
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2766[19:27:29] <annadane> Bushmills, basically you got it right,
it just depends the context you're asking in
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2767[19:27:42] <jken> basically a nuc type system (but not intel)
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2768[19:27:49] <annadane> testing is to test the next stable
release, sid is just the first point of entry for packages
that'll later migrate to testing
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2769[19:27:49] <Bushmills> not a question. I'm just lagging
a bit
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2770[19:27:58] <rant> jken: cause losing the security of a
maintained kernel just to build in a wifi driver seems ridiculously
irresponsible
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2771[19:28:11] <rant> and a lot of work for no real benefit
unless you have contrstaints that warrant it
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2772[19:28:24] <jken> lets say I do.
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2773[19:28:30] <rant> jken: furthermore building in a wifi driver
means you can't rmmod it if there are issues
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2774[19:28:55] <rant> jken: I'm willing to concede the
point, I'm just trying to make sure you've thought this
through and arent doing this to your detriment
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2775[19:29:09] <Bushmills> more a belated comment to an earlier
comment calling sid such
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2779[19:29:44] <rant> annadane: its the common first point..
there is also experimental
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2781[19:30:13] <rant> where things like linux 5 have been
residing for awhile now :P
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2785[19:32:06] <jken> rant, basically we build the leanest
kernels possible for the devices we support.
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2787[19:32:11] <jhutchins> I take experimental to be
"let's see if anybody can get this to work".
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2788[19:32:34] <jhutchins> jken: Hey, that's great, that way
you get all the latest bugs!
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2789[19:32:50] <jhutchins> Kinda like testing parachutes.
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2790[19:33:05] <rant> jken: well your issue seems beyond our
scope.. as it seems to be you want to know why menuconfig is
quashing the config.. which afaik is what its suppose to do.. you
would likely server yourself better contacting the kernel
maintainers, going to #debian-kernel on OFTC, or pinging lkml
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2791[19:33:23] <jken> rant, thanks I'll do that.
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2792[19:33:35] <rant> jken: oldconfig target is for people
wishing to use an old config, you arent suppose to do menuconfig in
those cases
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2796[19:34:17] <jhutchins> rant: Actually, it's certainly
expected that you would use both. Copy existing features and
configure new.
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2797[19:34:23] <rant> jhutchins: heh.. yeah I already touched on
the insantiy of the issue :P
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2801[19:36:14] <jhutchins> When I started using Linux it was just
after the modular kernel. Every howto began with "recompile the
kernel to enable...".
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2802[19:36:29] <jhutchins> Kernel compiles were the most common
benchmark.
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2846[19:50:08] <flashbck> I'm trying to use debmirror to
create a local mirror for my network. I'm trying to keep it as
small as possible by using the --exclude-deb-section flag, but
packages in excluded sections seem to be fetched regardless. Am I
using the command wrong? Here's an example of the command that
I'm using:
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2847[19:50:11] <flashbck> /stable/admin/
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2849[19:50:46] <greycat> I wonder why so many people try to do
this, instead of just setting up a caching proxy like squid.
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2850[19:51:04] <flashbck> It's complicated
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2854[19:53:43] <trek00> flashbck: I remeber there was an apt
proxy server may be it is apt-cacher
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2855[19:54:33] <greycat> I'm assuming "it's
complicated" means "I can't use HTTP directly from
any of the servers, not even through a proxy, so I am
sneaker-netting the packages into my local mirror on a secret USB
stick".
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2857[19:55:10] <greycat> If that's not what it means,
perhaps you could tell us what it means, so we can stop guessing.
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2858[19:55:25] <flashbck> I've used apt-cacher-ng in the
past, but I have requirements that I cannot use that
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2859[19:55:29] <OS-54088> hi
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2860[19:55:29] <TigerAcro> Hi!
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2861[19:55:36] <TigerAcro> OS-54088 ;)
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2862[19:55:47] <trek00> flashbck: what are your requirements?
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2866[19:56:05] <Bushmills> apt-cacher-ng appeared to function
more reliably than apt-cacher
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2867[19:56:08] * dvs uses apt-mirror
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2868[19:56:58] <flashbck> My boss told me that I'm not
allowed to use a proxy. I tried to convince him that a proxy makes
more sense and uses far less bandwidth/storage, but that
doesn't seem to matter to him
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2869[19:57:22] <flashbck> like I said, it's complicated
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2870[19:57:40] <greycat> Doesn't sound *especially*
complicated so far.
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2873[19:58:03] <flashbck> ha, well complicated in that I cannot
convince the boss to just use a proxy
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2875[19:59:06] <trek00> flashbck: how it is intended to get
upgrades? you will manually download them and then copy to the
server?
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2876[20:00:13] <flashbck> trek00: He wants a cron job that runs
periodically that will keep it up to date.
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2877[20:00:58] <trek00> flashbck: may be you can try apt-mirror
as dvs said
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2878[20:01:02] <flashbck> I'm open to alternatives, I'm
not tied to debmirror, but he wants a mirror for reasons that I
cannot explain
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2879[20:01:11] <Bushmills> rsync ...
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2880[20:01:14] <flashbck> okay, is apt-mirror more flexible?
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2881[20:01:29] <dvs> flashbck, I don't know how to limit
sections from being downloaded though.
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2884[20:01:59] <trek00> flashbck: sorry I don't know, I was
only trying to make your request more clear
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2885[20:02:07] <flashbck> ah, okay
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2887[20:02:42] <flashbck> yeah, I was investigating debmirror
because it appeared to give me the option to exclude sections
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2893[20:04:24] <renner> how can I switch my apt to English so I
can google an error message in English?
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2897[20:04:53] <greycat> LC_ALL=C apt whatever
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2898[20:05:11] <trek00> flashbck: checking apt-mirror configu
files it seems to me it allows only to limit different
architectures, releases or sections (main contrib non-free)
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2899[20:05:16] <greycat> or if you're a sudo person, sudo
env LC_ALL=C apt whatever
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2905[20:07:25] <trek00> flashbck: may be you can try to type:
debmirror -a amd64 --no-source -s main -h ftp.us.debian.org -d
buster -r /debian --progress --method=http
--exclude-deb-section='.*admin.*' /srv/apt/data/debian
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2906[20:08:01] <trek00> flashbck: or simply
--exclude-deb-section='admin'
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2910[20:09:40] <flashbck> I limited the list of exclusions for
the sake of brevity, the actually list has more items. I've
tried the single item per flag option and had no success (eg:
--exclude-deb-section=x11 --exclude-deb-section=gnome etc)
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2913[20:10:07] <flashbck> I'll give the wildcards a shot
though
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2915[20:11:00] <greycat> Is part of your list of exclusions an
executive mandate "no server is allowed to install any X11
packages" by the same boss that said "no proxy"?
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2916[20:11:10] <greycat> Just curious.
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2919[20:11:55] <trek00> flashbck: found on the web
--exclude-deb-section='(games|debug|news|gnustep|ocaml|hamradio|gnu-r)'
is this working?
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2920[20:12:03] <flashbck> greycat: no, that is just an attempt by
me to limit the overall size of the mirror. these servers will not
need to run x11 so I was trying to exclude those packages
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2922[20:12:34] <flashbck> trek00: That looks like the example on
the web that I was basing my command on
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2927[20:13:40] <trek00> flashbck: on this script it uses multiple
exclude-deb-section parameters
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2933[20:14:41] <flashbck> Yeah, I found that one too. I've
tried "--exclude-deb-section=x11 --exclude-deb-section=gnome
..." and "--exclude-deb-section=(x11|gnome|...)"
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2937[20:15:47] <flashbck> I guess I can just give up and not
exclude anything...
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2938[20:15:59] <flashbck> dvs: how large is your mirror using
apt-mirror?
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2940[20:16:40] <flashbck> the full 300+Gb for just amd64?
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2941[20:16:44] <dvs> flashbck, I think it's about 80GB
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2942[20:17:22] <flashbck> oh, that's not bad at all. Maybe
I'm misunderstanding what
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2944[20:17:57] <dvs> Oh, it's 137GB
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2946[20:18:13] <dvs> according to du
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2949[20:18:37] <flashbck> are you limiting to a single
architecture?
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2950[20:18:44] <dvs> yes
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2951[20:19:07] <flashbck> okay, well if I can't get the
exclude to work, then I can live with that
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2963[20:25:54] <DammitJim> I need to add more space to a couple
of LVs; however my PVs are on a software raid
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2964[20:26:10] <DammitJim> do you guys know how I can achieve
this? This is in a vmware environment
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2965[20:26:31] <greycat> you're using LVM on top of mdraid
on top of VMware on top of ...?
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2967[20:27:08] <DammitJim> oh and if this is possible while the
server is online
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2970[20:27:56] <DammitJim> local drives on a VMware host :D
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2978[20:32:03] <flashbck> Thanks for they help, y'all.
I'll update you if I find out anything more
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2988[20:37:27] <roylaprattep> is there a good howto to configure
freeradius on debian stretch somewhere?
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3027[20:57:02] <user___> hello
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3029[21:00:27] <annadane> hi user___
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3031[21:01:44] <NetTerminalGene> i want debian to make avx2
optimized build
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3035[21:02:59] <azeem> NetTerminalGene: of what?
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3036[21:03:33] <NetTerminalGene> avx2 optimized from source
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3037[21:03:47] <user___> Why don't you build it yourself?
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3038[21:03:53] <user___> With correct flags
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3040[21:03:59] <azeem> NetTerminalGene: ok, but which package?
and why?
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3041[21:04:19] <NetTerminalGene> complete distro. all packages
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3042[21:04:20] <azeem> NetTerminalGene: oh, you mean Debian
should do it?
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3045[21:04:47] <azeem> Debian isn't interested in doing
this, as the binary packages need to run on all supported cpus
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3047[21:05:13] <NetTerminalGene> people should dump their old
cpus
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3054[21:08:55] <jelly> !nopony NetTerminalGene
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3055[21:08:55] <dpkg> NetTerminalGene:
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3056[21:09:45] <irl25519> NetTerminalGene should dump his cpu
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3058[21:11:05] <NetTerminalGene> my cpu beats yours
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3059[21:11:32] <cbthree> i installed buster on my samsung
chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have
is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from
built in microphone. Can anyone help me overcome this problem?
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3060[21:11:46] <renner> theoretical question: is it possible to
tar a directory from within itself, or will that just run until
system crash?
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3061[21:11:57] <Bushmills> that's possibly what the deb-src
lines in source.list are for
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3063[21:12:12] <Bushmills> sources, even
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3064[21:12:14] <jelly> NetTerminalGene, more seriously, tools
that can actually gain substantial amounts of performance usually
support various builds of libraries and can pick the best based on
runtime checks
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3065[21:12:39] <ratrace> i think this is in reference to feh
dorah considering going avx2 as the minimum supported hw base
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3067[21:12:52] <trek00> NetTerminalGene: recompiling all the
debian archive will give you little to no performances benefits,
only some packages gain something with architecture specific
optimizations and only a small fraction of the software has
different path for specific architectures: you could rebuild only
them to have the same results
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3069[21:13:34] <Habbie> trek00, it's not just about paths -
it's also about what a compiler can do; but i do share the
conclusion, rebuilding just a few should give most of the benefits
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3070[21:14:08] <jelly> renner, GNU tar cowardly refuses to
include the destination in the archive. Try it.
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3072[21:14:15] <trek00> renner: you can do it, but place the
tarball on another directory, like: tar cfvz ../filename.tar.gz .
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3075[21:14:24] <NetTerminalGene> intel's optimized clear
linux beats all other distros out there
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3076[21:14:31] <ratrace> phoronix even did a benchmark for this;
little or no gains when you compile for specific amd64 cpu:
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3077[21:14:34] <Habbie> NetTerminalGene, so why not run that?
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3078[21:14:39] <irl25519> sounds like you should use that distro
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3079[21:14:44] <jelly> renner, mkdir a; touch a/touch; cd a; tar
cvf a.tar ../a
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3081[21:14:49] <trek00> Habbie: i mean different code paths, not
filesystem path sorry
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3082[21:15:01] <Habbie> trek00, i understood that :)
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3083[21:15:01] <jelly> NetTerminalGene, do you have a debian tech
support issue we can help with?
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3085[21:15:09] <NetTerminalGene> because it doesn't have
important packages
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3086[21:15:21] <ratrace> i wonder why
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3087[21:15:36] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, ok
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3089[21:16:37] <renner> trek, jelly: the thought started with
"how to make a system image on a remote virtual server and back
it up".. maybe there is a smarter way, although I suppose one
could tar each top directory individually and keep the result in /
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3090[21:16:54] <trek00> NetTerminalGene: rebuilding packages is
nearly automated with dpkg-buildpackage, you can try to rebuild some
package you like
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3092[21:17:05] * Bushmills wonders how Intel's clear Linux could
possibly beat Armbian
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3094[21:17:42] <cbthree> i have not found any info on the debian
wiki regarding the issue i encountered.
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3098[21:19:15] <trek00> renner: if you need a system image, you
should dd the entire partitions, instead if you need to make
incremental backups, via network, rsync/rsnapshot are your friends
:)
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3101[21:20:24] <renner> thanks trek00
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3102[21:20:24] <SH2> Hey:), Does anyone know a German Debian irc
channel?
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3103[21:20:31] <jelly> !de
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3104[21:20:31] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in
#debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) -
German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net,
irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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3106[21:21:10] <SH2> Thank YOU.
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3108[21:23:06] <cbthree> someone told me that upgrading to kernel
5.2 may solve my problem as 4.9 may not fully support my hardware.
The thing is that i can not find the kernel 5.2 deb package for
buster
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3109[21:23:23] <greycat> There aren't any Debian 5.2 kernel
packages at this time.
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3110[21:23:34] <greycat> You can build your own.
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3112[21:23:48] <cbthree> greycat, how can i solve my problem with
4.19?
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3116[21:24:23] <tarzeau> cbthree: build your own kernels ?
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3117[21:24:43] <greycat> you said 4.9 once, and 4.19 once... not
even sure what you're asking at this point
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3118[21:24:51] <cbthree> tarzeau, that is something a newbie
should not be expected to do, right?
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3119[21:25:01] <irl25519> Is this a good place to ask an iptables
question?
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3120[21:25:05] <tarzeau> cbthree: but he should be able to do it
:) and learn it
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3121[21:25:10] <jelly> cbthree, what does "uname -a"
really say?
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3125[21:25:53] <cbthree> tarzeau, i installed buster on my
samsung chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue
i have is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input
from built in microphone.
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3126[21:25:54] <user___> lol
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3127[21:26:00] <cbthree> tarzeau, Debian 4.19.37-5+deb10u1
(2019-07-19)
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3128[21:26:11] <jelly> so it's buster and 4.19
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3129[21:26:11] <tarzeau> eek buster doesn't have
kernel-package
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3130[21:26:24] <Habbie> ,v kernel-package
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3131[21:26:25] <judd> Package: kernel-package on amd64 -- jessie:
13.014+nmu1; stretch-backports: 13.018+nmu1~bpo9+1; sid: 13.018+nmu1
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3132[21:26:25] <jelly> tarzeau, welcome to 2010.
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3133[21:26:40] <jelly> we don't build kernels that way any
more
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3134[21:26:42] <tarzeau> but sid has kernel-package
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3136[21:26:52] <jelly> and it's borked
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3137[21:26:52] <user___> okay, so my thread was deleted from
debians facebook page few months ago about weboob scandal
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3138[21:26:53] <tarzeau> jelly: no? wtf did i miss?
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3139[21:27:00] <greycat> upstream kernel sources have some sort
of make target that creates a .deb, so you just use that, unless I
missed another meeting
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3140[21:27:09] <annadane> user___, we're not in charge of
debian's facebook page
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3141[21:27:15] <jelly> tarzeau, upstream's "make
deb-pkg" and whatever kernel-handbook says to do these days
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3142[21:27:16] <annadane> i wouldn't drag #debian into this
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3143[21:27:29] <user___> but it is so interesting
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3144[21:27:30] <tarzeau> cbthree: luck you, it got so easy
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3146[21:27:55] <humbot> weboob!
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3147[21:28:03] <user___> interesting discussion could be held
about ti
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3148[21:28:09] <user___> it*
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3149[21:28:13] <annadane> there's #debian-offtopic
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3150[21:28:16] <cbthree> tarzeau, the only thing that i need to
solve is the no audio input from built in microphone issue
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3152[21:28:20] <user___> but it is about debian project
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3153[21:28:29] <annadane> okay, but this is a support channel for
technical questions
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3154[21:28:44] <tarzeau> cbthree: and the issue is it's
noisy or doesn't work at all? oss? alsa? pulseaudio? something
else?
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3155[21:28:45] <user___> ohh ok
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3156[21:28:59] <user___> so debian project is not running debian
facebook page?
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3158[21:29:03] <azeem> if you only see tarzeau talking you
wouldn't know I agree
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3159[21:29:32] <azeem> user___: no
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3164[21:31:16] <annadane> user___, if you do want to contribute
to debian by starting a certain conversation about policy, let us
know what it is and we can direct you to the proper channels
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3166[21:31:28] <annadane> i'm not really familiar with
weboob scandal or whatever
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3168[21:31:50] <greycat> !weboob
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3169[21:31:50] <dpkg> It's not just the name. It uses
gratuitously sexual icons, and derogatory/inflammatory language in
its output. See <replaced-url
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3170[21:31:56] <tarzeau> annadane: it was possible to apt-get
install sex and wine (3 packages), and i think sextractor also still
exists (and is useful)
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3171[21:32:13] <annadane> oh. that.
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3174[21:33:10] <user___> okay a little bit better
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3175[21:33:19] <cbthree>
replaced-url
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3176[21:33:25] <jelly> whatever happened to pornview
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3177[21:33:46] <annadane> i'm more surprised polybar
isn't packaged yet
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3182[21:34:09] <tarzeau> jelly: driftnet?
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3183[21:34:17] <user___> okay a little bit better
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3184[21:34:28] <user___> but still, why are people so sensitive
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3185[21:35:02] <tarzeau> annadane:
replaced-url
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3186[21:35:13] <renner> is there a magical fix for "Could
not perform immediate configuration on
'libdevmapper1.02.1'" when upgrading to jessie?
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3187[21:35:22] <azeem> to jessie?
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3188[21:35:27] <renner> yup
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3189[21:35:29] <annadane> i know polybar relies on a metric...
lot, of dependencies
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3190[21:35:46] <jelly> user___, why are people so insensitive?
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3192[21:36:21] <user___> idk im in balkans and our way of
socilising is through nsults
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3193[21:36:28] <user___> insults
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3194[21:36:35] <tarzeau> user___: not the whole world is balkans
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3195[21:36:43] <tarzeau> user___: other places, different
cultures
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3197[21:36:52] <jelly> user___, I'm from the same country,
and that's not a fucking excuse.
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3198[21:36:57] <azeem> annadane: you could package it yourself
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3199[21:37:03] <renner> azeem: started at squeeze, marching
towards buster
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3200[21:37:04] <cbthree> jelly,
replaced-url
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3201[21:37:17] <user___> why isn't whole world balkans
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3202[21:37:19] <tarzeau> besides there's 25% liking your
jokes, 50% who don't care, 25% how just dislike you
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3203[21:37:22] <annadane> yeah i could. i personally have no need
for it, i'm just surprised it isn't in debian
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3204[21:37:23] <humbot> maybe try the magic channel
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3205[21:37:24] <user___> poor and immature
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3206[21:37:28] <humbot> oops
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3207[21:37:51] <tarzeau> user___: because stalin failed?
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3210[21:38:03] <afidegnum> how do i find if i have a CUDA capable
system ? using debian 9
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3211[21:38:04] <user___> it was actually Tito
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3212[21:38:24] <tarzeau> afidegnum: lspci |grep VGA if you see
something with nvidia
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3213[21:39:06] <jelly> user___, that particular dictator actually
had class and would not use slurs, homophobic or otherwise, in
public
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3214[21:40:07] <jelly> cbthree, you could ask #alsa, but if
it's already known there are fixes in 5.2 kernel, your best bet
is to build a 5.2 kernel
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3218[21:41:24] <cbthree> jelly, i've been told the problem
might have been fixed in 5.2. Might is not certainty
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3219[21:41:32] <jelly> !tias
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3220[21:41:32] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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3221[21:41:33] <user___> hmm
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3222[21:41:38] <jelly> !immediate configuration
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3223[21:41:38] <dpkg> When upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, apt
may stop with "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on
'$package'." First, try running apt-get upgrade; . If
that fails, try running apt-get dist-upgrade -o
APT::Immediate-Configure=0; instead. Finally, if that doesn't
work, if $package isn't an Essential package, then "dpkg
-r $package; apt-get -f install. You should also read <release
notes>.
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3224[21:41:42] <jelly> renner, ^ ?
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3226[21:41:48] <afidegnum> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller:
Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3 Processor Integrated Graphics
Controller (rev 06)
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3227[21:41:48] <afidegnum> tarzeau: no luck, right ?
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3228[21:41:57] <cbthree> gotta go.
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3230[21:42:06] <jelly> renner, you wouldn't be skipping
releases and going from squeeze to jessie?
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3231[21:42:08] <tarzeau> afidegnum: no i don't think so.
what is it you want to do with CUDA?
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3233[21:42:15] <renner> no, doing them one by one
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3234[21:42:50] <jelly> I guess you can try that anyway
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3235[21:42:52] <renner> but on the way from wheezy to jessie,
libdevmapper is somehow unhappy and causing dpkg to fail without
telling me what it needs
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3236[21:43:07] <afidegnum> tarzeau: some machine learning stuff
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3237[21:43:30] <jelly> cuda is nvidia-specific to the best of my
knowledge
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3238[21:43:31] <tarzeau> afidegnum: using tensorflow or pytorch?
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3240[21:43:45] <azeem> renner: do you have some more output? Or
maybe just the wohle output of apt-get upgrade?
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3241[21:43:48] <renner> jelly: what I'm hoping is the case
is that I can configure apt to skip this issue... not sure what the
consequences are
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3242[21:43:50] <afidegnum> pytorch
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3243[21:43:52] <tarzeau> afidegnum: i know tensorflow can work
slowly with cpu only just fine (just slower)
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3244[21:44:15] <jelly> renner, read what dpkg said above.
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3245[21:44:31] <afidegnum> :)
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3246[21:44:34] <afidegnum> ok let me give it a try
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3248[21:45:02] <renner> azeem: "E: Could not perform
immediate configuration on 'libdevmapper1.02.1'. Please
see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details.
(2)"
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3250[21:45:17] <tarzeau> afidegnum: just use pip3, and not pip2
please
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3251[21:45:33] <tarzeau> neither of them is packaged for debian
(tensorflow is in experimental, but not built with bazel)
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3253[21:45:57] <afidegnum> yes, using pip3
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3254[21:45:58] <tarzeau> afidegnum: just being curious "some
machine learning", any more details? for image data?
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3255[21:46:13] <afidegnum> openAI
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3260[21:48:12] <renner> thanks jelly
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3263[21:49:54] <afidegnum> tarzeau: what about with AMD, will it
work?
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3266[21:50:44] <tarzeau> afidegnum: i think there's
something called opencl, that is not nvidia specific, but it
didn't work for a friends amd hw (the memtestcl thing)
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3267[21:51:04] <tarzeau> afidegnum: i've only worked with
nvidia cuda cards 1080+ti/2080+ti (8/11 gb)
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3269[21:51:12] <tarzeau> afidegnum: that works, fast. no idea
about non-nvidia
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3271[21:51:28] <tarzeau> i'm also very glad about nvtop, for
whoever packaged it. thanks!
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3273[21:51:57] <afidegnum> ok
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3275[21:52:14] <renner> and what's this about startpar
damaging installed software?
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3277[21:52:54] <tarzeau> i know some people use nvcc directly,
some do cuda via pytorch(fb)/tensorflow(google). and that just works
best with nvidia, since 5+ years
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3279[21:53:20] <tarzeau> it'll take years for non-nvidia to
catch up, well maybe apple is the exception with their own ml kit
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3281[21:55:01] <tarzeau> intel has some "retarded"
deals with microsoft (only ms can think of stuff like , i don't
remember the name, but some printer producers created printing
hardware that'd only work with windows)
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3282[21:55:20] <renner>
replaced-url
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3283[21:55:28] <afidegnum> ok, i tested it's ok, let's
hope it doesn't slow down along the way
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3284[21:55:35] <renner> should I be worried about this, or is it
just a procedural warning?
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3285[21:55:36] <tarzeau> i've had to throw away some SSD
storage that only supported windows
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3286[21:55:39] <tarzeau> (intel SSD)
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3296[22:01:07] <trek00> renner: on buster?
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3307[22:05:44] <renner> trek00: no, I'm still going from
wheezy to jessie
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3309[22:05:56] <trek00> renner: if you are upgrading, try to
upgrade sysvint at first, then startpar
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3310[22:06:09] <trek00> renner: they have conflicting versions
may be
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3314[22:06:43] <renner> trek00: doing that pulls in startpar as a
dependency
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3316[22:06:59] <renner> same error code
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3319[22:09:14] <Bushmills> "apt depends startpar" says
"replaces sysvinit-utils", so the error is justified
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3320[22:09:26] <Psyndrome> Hi
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3321[22:09:48] <Bushmills> apt show startpar explains "Used
by the sysv-rc boot system executor to run init.d scripts in
parallel"
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3323[22:10:39] <Psyndrome> I managed to fix the drive after re
reading the rant chats
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3324[22:10:45] <Psyndrome> Thanks a lot
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3326[22:11:17] <trek00> renner: probably Bushmills is right, it
seems startpart was introduced with jessie, to replace standard
sysvinit scripts execution with its own
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3328[22:11:52] <renner> Bushmills: yes, that is my understanding,
but I don't know why it can't get past that point. replace
one with the other, done. instead, it stops the process with no
obvious option of how to proceed
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3331[22:12:48] <rain2> does anyone have an fstab file that mounts
stuff like /proc and /sysfs for a chroot?
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3332[22:13:46] <Bushmills> because init now depends on
systemd-sysv
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3333[22:14:01] <Bushmills> rain, you can use mount --bind
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3334[22:14:10] <trek00> renner: it seems the upgrade path was not
so well tested
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3335[22:14:16] <greycat> ,v startpar
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3337[22:14:17] <judd> Package: startpar on amd64 -- jessie:
0.59-3; stretch: 0.59-3.1; buster: 0.61-1; bullseye: 0.63-1; sid:
0.63-1
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3338[22:14:37] <greycat> That's one of those things that
people bolted onto sysvinit to try to make it less bad, yeah?
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3339[22:14:51] <Bushmills> I'm still not quite comfortable
with systemd
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3340[22:14:55] <tarzeau> yeah. and there openrc was there
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3341[22:15:11] <tarzeau> Bushmills: neither am i, and i keep
hating it
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3342[22:15:44] <trek00> greycat: yes and it is very fine, this is
only a problem with debian control file
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3343[22:15:54] <tarzeau> Bushmills:
replaced-url
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3345[22:16:01] <tarzeau> (secretly hoping debian will do it too)
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3346[22:16:33] <renner> so consensus is that my current
installation is screwed?
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3347[22:16:54] <trek00> renner: if you try to force installation
like dpkg --force-something starpar.deb?
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3348[22:17:26] <tarzeau> the only installation screwed i ever
saw, was the one where i run mkfs.ext2 on the root file system (15
years ago), still got the disk, and still no idea how to recover it
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3350[22:17:58] <greycat> that "Adoption" section looks
rather political... why even include Devuan there at all, since
clearly it will never adopt?
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3351[22:18:17] <trek00> rain2: on fstab you should have something
like: proc /chroot/proc proc defaults 0 0
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3353[22:19:00] <rain2> thanks
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3354[22:19:21] <trek00> greycat: adoption means how much was
included at overall, so it's good to list who changed and who
not
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3355[22:19:21] <Bushmills> rain2, you may also want to mount
--bind /dev to chroot
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3358[22:19:52] <greycat> well, it's a battle I am not going
to join today
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3359[22:19:52] <renner> tarzeau: well, this is remote, so if it
doesn't start up again, there are no escapes
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3360[22:20:02] <trek00> rain2: yes /dev /proc and /sys are often
required
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3361[22:20:56] <tds> rain2: on the subject of systemd, you can
also use something like systemd-nspawn -D /chroot rather than chroot
/chroot to do all the bind mounting etc for you, more or less :)
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3362[22:21:03] <tarzeau> renner: just never reboot? :)
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3363[22:21:06] <trek00> renner: if you already upgraded some
packages and still in the middle of upgrade process without
finishing it, yes
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3364[22:21:17] <rain2> woah cool
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3365[22:21:52] <tarzeau> renner: i've got a savegame of
nethack on nethack.alt.org (on the final altar before the planes,
saved 10 years ago). if you don't move you can't die.
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3366[22:21:56] <renner> tarzeau: it's managed, they will
reboot it for me periodically, nothing I can do
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3367[22:21:58] <rain2> nspawn program does not seem to be on my
system
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3368[22:22:06] <greycat> systemd-nspawn is optional, I think
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3369[22:22:21] <tarzeau> renner: remove all reboot binaries
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3370[22:22:36] <tds> yeah, it's in the systemd-container
package iirc
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3371[22:22:46] <greycat> which is ... Priority: optional
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3372[22:22:52] <trek00> renner: there are some packages that got
upgraded?
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3373[22:23:17] <renner> tarzeau: pretty sure I can't prevent
it with software means
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3374[22:23:23] <renner> trek00: yes, there are
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3375[22:23:40] <trek00> renner: well try to force startpar
installation to continue
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3378[22:24:33] <trek00> renner: dpkg --force-all startpar.deb
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3381[22:25:04] <renner> trek00 it seems to be completed the
installation that way
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3382[22:25:14] <renner> *completing
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3383[22:25:36] <trek00> renner: well now install the new sysvinit
packages and then resume the upgrade process
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3387[22:27:11] <renner> yeah, I meant, I am at that point... but
the real magic will be in the reboot, I guess - question is whether
to continue upgrading towards stretch and buster and find out later
if the reboot fails, hoping for special healing powers of anything
that might have been broken, or find out the truth immediately
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3388[22:27:53] <trek00> renner: you made a backup of the disk
before?
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3390[22:28:18] <litb> hello folks
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3391[22:28:36] <litb> where can I get the date that I last
upgraded my system?
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3392[22:28:54] <greycat> /var/log/dpkg.log ?
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3394[22:29:18] <greycat> or one of its backups, if it got rotated
since then
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3395[22:29:25] <greycat> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Aug 1 00:00
/var/log/dpkg.log
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3397[22:29:41] <Ede|Popede> does curl have a safety belt? half of
the time i write some binary crap to the terminal.
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3399[22:29:59] <renner> trek00: yeah, I have all the bits I
should need to reconstitute if a fresh install is the only option;
going back to squeeze and trying again might be adventurous, though
because that disk image is probably not available anymore, nor the
one for wheezy, I bet
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3400[22:30:12] <litb> any idea?
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3401[22:30:26] <renner> oh, and I think I have an auto backup
facility that I've never used
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3403[22:30:29] <trek00> litb: read greycat answer
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3405[22:30:48] <renner> so there's probably an automatic
image hanging in that for the next five days or so, come to think of
it
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3406[22:30:59] <greycat> apparently they disconnected and
re-joined in the middle of receiving answers
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3408[22:31:19] <trek00> renner: normally i would do: create a new
instance of the system starting from backups, try to upgrade, if
it's all ok, try on the production machine
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3409[22:31:36] <trek00> greycat: oops
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3410[22:31:39] <litb> trek00, sorry, I disconnected and missed
his answer :/
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3411[22:32:01] <trek00> litb: check /var/log/dpkg.log or its
backups /var/log/dpkg.log.[0-9]*
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3412[22:32:09] <litb> it appears that the last update was on Sat,
Jun 15 2019 17:45:53 +0200
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3413[22:32:13] <litb> thanks trek00
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3414[22:32:17] <litb> from aptitude log
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3417[22:32:38] <greycat> you really shouldn't be going that
long between updates
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3418[22:32:47] <litb> wonder whether I should upgrade my unstable
system now
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3421[22:33:13] <trek00> :)
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3423[22:34:38] <trek00> litb: who knows, it's unstable :)