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• 15[00:05:11] <permalink> hello . i'm new to irc and i installed hexchat
• 16[00:05:21] <permalink> is this the best irc client ?
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• 18[00:06:12] <annadane> if you're on debian, sure, hexchat is fine
• 19[00:06:24] <annadane> if you want something more command line oriented there's irssi
• 20[00:06:57] <permalink> thanks annadane . yes i'm on debbie
• 21[00:07:20] <permalink> but i noticed an issue with this client or maybe it is something on my side
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• 25[00:08:01] <permalink> i joined few channels and now i can't joint other cahnnels
• 26[00:08:15] <permalink> i'm on 5 channels and i can;t add another
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• 28[00:08:59] <annadane> does it give error messages?
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• 38[00:12:34] <hypn0> pidgin is good too :-)
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• 53[00:15:12] <annadane> pidgin is more of an all in one thing as opposed to just irc, yeah
• 54[00:15:23] <annadane> depends on your needs and what you're more comfortable with
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• 58[00:16:54] <n4dir> just on a side note: i use pidgin for irc too. I am used to it.
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• 61[00:17:11] <Barones> Hi, is there any nvidia indicator app to debian?
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• 63[00:18:15] <annadane> indicator?
• 64[00:18:19] <annadane> hmm
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• 66[00:19:52] <Barones> like bumblebee annadane
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• 69[00:20:32] <Barones> but bumblebee isn't supported anymore
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• 85[00:30:18] <terminalator> May I recommend an IRC client called Weechat
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• 96[00:34:08] <db`> anyone with fail2ban expertise pleasE?
• 97[00:34:21] <db`> the regex wqont match with my deb's auth.log rules.
• 98[00:34:35] <db`> need help on adding a custom rule to the fail2ban regex.
• 99[00:34:45] <db`> replaced-url
• 100[00:35:45] <db`> the default regex replaced-url
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• 106[00:39:11] <bolt> db`: you can use fail2ban-regex to test your regex
• 107[00:39:46] <bolt> db`: start with a basic one and build on it, and you'll see what you're doing wrong
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• 204[01:16:14] <Guest4086> how to kill all ssh connections
• 205[01:16:24] <Guest4086> i had a good comand now i cant find it
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• 209[01:17:51] <Guest4086> wait its sshfs
• 210[01:18:29] <Guest4086> oh here it is
• 211[01:18:31] <Guest4086> pkill -kill -f "sshfs"
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• 214[01:20:31] <annadane> are backports downgradable at all, or are you stuck with a backport if you decide you want to use the stable versions
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• 219[01:22:25] <Guest4086> annadane: u can switch over from backports
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• 242[01:33:33] <annadane> i guess it's all the same dependencies as stable so yeah
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• 244[01:33:45] <annadane> or rather not the same deps but ones that exist in stable
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• 453[03:51:53] <mbnt> How to rectify: replaced-url
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• 456[03:52:36] <mbnt> I want to install eq10q?
• 457[03:52:42] <annadane> ,v eq10q
• 458[03:52:43] <judd> Package: eq10q on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2-2; jessie: 2.0~beta5.1~repack0-2; jessie-backports: 2.0~beta7.1~repack0-1~bpo8+1; buster: 2.2~repack0-2; sid: 2.2~repack0-2; stretch: 2.2~repack0-2
• 459[03:52:55] <annadane> are you on stretch?
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• 461[03:53:16] <annadane> install aptitude and try it with aptitude, see what it says
• 462[03:53:52] <mbnt> debian 9.4
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• 464[03:55:15] <inthl> I am unable to create more than about 9100 users on a host, useradd quits with the error useradd: Can't get unique subordinate GID range, useradd: can't create subordinate group IDs. Now I do need to create more - setting SUB_UID_MAX in /etc/login.defs at a higher limit does not change the behaviour. any ideas?
• 465[03:55:18] <mbnt> I install aptitude, but same issue
• 466[03:55:52] <annadane> it should give you more detailed dependency info
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• 468[03:56:22] <annadane> don't blindly accept solutions but it gives more info
• 469[03:57:35] <annadane> ,v libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a
• 470[03:57:36] <judd> Package: libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.24.2-1; jessie: 1:2.24.4-1.1
• 471[03:57:51] <annadane> mbnt, could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net?
• 472[03:58:27] <mbnt> replaced-url
• 473[03:58:59] <annadane> that isn't a sources list
• 474[03:59:05] <mbnt> annadane, You mean enable some new repository? Go for testing, perhaps?
• 475[03:59:26] <annadane> mbnt, no. paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
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• 481[04:03:53] <mbnt> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9.4.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 NETINST 20180310-11:21]/ stretch main
• 482[04:04:05] <annadane> to paste.debian.net, please
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• 491[04:18:23] <dirac1> Why i can't get a wireless interface inside a bridge?
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• 493[04:19:53] <dp> what type of error do you get?
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• 496[04:22:02] <dirac1> it literally says: can't add wlan0 to bridge br0: Operation not supported
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• 498[04:23:02] <bryceml> I think it's something about wireless drivers not supporting it. I can't remember exactly though.
• 499[04:23:20] <dirac1> I tried it with two usb dongles
• 500[04:23:56] <dirac1> And both gave the same error
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• 503[04:25:01] <awal1> dirac1, just curious; which kind of dongles there?
• 504[04:25:09] <awal1> model/chipset I meant
• 505[04:26:06] <dirac1> One of One is an.. Edimax, with this chipset: Realtek RTL8188
• 506[04:26:18] <dirac1> One of them*
• 507[04:27:03] <dirac1> The otherone is a Belkin 802.11n, not sure which chipset i have to connect it
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• 510[04:28:00] <awal1> they connect fine in non bridge mode?
• 511[04:29:17] <dirac1> Yup
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• 514[04:30:49] <dirac1> Oh man..
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• 526[04:35:11] <bcx> why can't I bridge the loopback interface ?
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• 546[04:54:07] <jelly> bcx: lo is quite a special case and not an actual interface
• 547[04:54:43] <jelly> it also skips half of netfilter/iptables
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• 549[04:54:51] <bcx> any idea to create a loopback-only network namespace ?
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• 551[04:55:23] <bcx> I could down lo, then
• 552[04:55:23] <jelly> do you really need loopback, or do you merely need an isolated network
• 553[04:55:25] <bcx> veth1:127.0.0.1 in root netns <--> veth2:127.0.0.2 in jailed netns
• 554[04:55:56] <bcx> I need the root loopback, ideally without interrupting services already running on
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• 556[04:56:30] <bcx> I may also loose some perf (loopback fast implementation & huge mtu)
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• 558[04:58:29] <jelly> that would break lo semantics within a namespace
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• 563[05:00:15] <bcx> jelly: semantics ?
• 564[05:00:49] <jelly> bcx: Yes. 127.0.0.2 inside netns would not behave like lo any more. But I'm clueless about netns, won't comment more. If noone else responds try #Netfilter maybe (it's not only about netfilter)
• 565[05:01:37] <bcx> thanks jelly
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• 609[05:27:17] <r_rios> So, I have a usb wifi adapter that uses a chip from Ralink which is only half-supported by the builtin Linux driver. In order to make it work, I have to, first, boot into Windows, apparently to load the correct firmware into it, _then_ reboot into Debian -- otherwise, this happens: replaced-url
• 610[05:28:08] <r_rios> Someone in the channel suggested trying a newer kernel and, after running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, with Linux 4.15.11, the exact same thing happens
• 611[05:28:40] <r_rios> Here's the device identification: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless Adapter
• 612[05:28:43] <r_rios> Any ideas?
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• 614[05:29:13] <r_rios> (Aside from buying a new usb wifi)
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• 687[06:22:42] <jimm> hi.... I'm at a hackerspace and they're letting us all play with arduino uno boards,,,, I installed the arduino stuff from the debian archives, and the ide runs... but the selection for serial port under the tools menu is grayed out... any help here?
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• 724[07:03:02] <Guest70> Hi, I'm using init.d to start a python script (which uses paho mqtt module). The python script outputs everything to a log file. Apparently, the script is attempted upon startup but fails. Log file shows that it wasnt able to import paho client. How do I tell init.d to start it after python modules are loaded? Or is it something else?
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• 739[07:18:09] <Guest70> someone, please help?
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• 741[07:18:31] <alkisg> Guest70: systemd is used nowadays instead of init.d
• 742[07:18:56] <alkisg> The systemd's init.d support layer is somewhat thin...
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• 744[07:19:07] <alkisg> Try creating a systemd unit instead of an init.d service
• 745[07:19:11] <Guest70> alkisg: you are right. I learnt that but I'm still trying to work with init.d.
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• 748[07:19:32] <Guest70> Ok, I will do that hopefully it'll solve it.
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• 763[07:32:00] <Guest70> alkisg: With systemd, the same error shows up (module import failed). However this time the error did not even print in my desired log file. I saw it via systemctl status myscript.service
• 764[07:32:45] <Guest70> Would it help if I locate the module file and provide the full path in my original python script?
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• 766[07:33:24] <alkisg> Guest70: if you run it normally from a terminal, it works?
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• 768[07:33:35] <Guest70> Yes been working.
• 769[07:33:54] <Guest70> Even with init.d, I could start it with /etc/init.d/myservice start
• 770[07:34:00] <Guest70> and it would work. Only issue is at boot time
• 771[07:34:10] <alkisg> Does the module need access to something that is available after boot, like e.g. xorg?
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• 773[07:34:38] <Guest70> alkisg: I don't know for sure.
• 774[07:35:07] <Guest70> It does connect to Mosquitto (mqtt broker) but by itself the module is just a client
• 775[07:35:09] <alkisg> Type alt+ctrl+f1 to switch to vt1, login, and try to run the module from there
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• 779[07:36:35] <Guest70> Sorry didn't get it. Can a (python) module run that way, to what end?
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• 781[07:36:56] <alkisg> Python is just a language, it can run whenever you need it
• 782[07:37:09] <alkisg> Running it from vt1 would ensure it doesn't need access to some user resource like xorg
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• 784[07:37:42] <ShapeShifter499> hi
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• 787[07:37:51] <Guest70> I'm on the gui, would I get vt1 here or opening a separate terminal would do the same?
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• 791[07:38:49] <alkisg> Have you used Alt+Ctrl+F1 in the past? It gets you to a "real" terminal without logout, and then you switch back to the GUI with Alt+Ctrl+F7
• 792[07:38:53] <ShapeShifter499> I'm using debian on a arm device. I'm trying to set up a bridge and no devices on the bridge are getting a IP from the main router via DHCP. does anyone have any ideas?
• 793[07:39:03] <ShapeShifter499> I was using brctl
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• 796[07:39:34] <Guest70> alkisg: No never. Actually it did do that, my teamviewer session got frozen. But yes, I'm in a new terminal now
• 797[07:39:53] <alkisg> GUI terminals have xorg access so that doesn't help anywhere
• 798[07:40:01] <ShapeShifter499> I'm trying to bridge a ethernet interface and a usb ethernet gadget interface (usb0 to eth0) the usb device doesn't get a ip address
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• 801[07:41:31] <ShapeShifter499> this is how I was setting up the bridge replaced-url
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• 811[07:43:51] <hiexpo> Hello all I have an issue I installed lighttpd and now removed it but when I log into my localhost the stupid page pops up and I can not get the login page needed to login to wifi at the motel how do i fix this issue thnks
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• 816[07:45:34] <Guest70> alkisg: I'm trying to use runpy.runmodule(paho.mqtt) but running into a syntax error. Did you mean 'run the module' this way?
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• 820[07:46:26] <alkisg> Guest70: I meant, run the exact same command that the service runs
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• 825[07:47:18] <Guest70> alkisg: Ok, trying
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• 829[07:50:15] <Guest70> alkisg: yes it runs on the new terminal
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• 831[07:50:37] <alkisg> Guest70: on that new terminal, if you type this, what's the output? echo $DISPLAY
• 832[07:51:10] <Guest70> Blank
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• 835[07:51:16] <Guest70> No output
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• 838[07:52:22] <alkisg> OK, now run this: `su -` with a dash there to become root with a clean path, then run the module again as root
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• 843[07:55:16] <Guest70> alkisg: Import error when running with root
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• 845[07:55:23] <Guest70> What does this mean now?
• 846[07:55:31] <alkisg> Guest70: ok, that means that you installed the python modules only for your user account
• 847[07:55:37] <alkisg> You need to install them system-wide
• 848[07:56:15] <Guest70> Nice troubleshooting. This makes sense. I didn't know it would only work with my user account.
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• 850[07:56:56] <Guest70> So now whats easier, to allow python modules to run with all users, or changing systemd (or init.d) to run my script with my user instead of root?
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• 853[07:57:48] <alkisg> Normally python modules are installed for all users, but if you're not using normal debian packages for them... you might want to do the second
• 854[07:58:35] <alkisg> You can specify the directives User= and Group= in the [Service] section of the unit file.
• 855[07:59:25] <Guest70> I see. I did come across a stacoverflow question that mentioned the same (module not accessible to root). But let me go with your solution first.
• 856[07:59:49] <briner> Hello, I've upgraded some Jessie to Stretch. And the upgrading process showed a "dialog" about postgres. Are the dialog stored somewhere, because I need to read them again.
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• 861[08:04:02] <Guest70> alkisg: Ok I've set the user/group in [Service]. Reboot to see if it works
• 862[08:04:30] <Wizard> Hi. Quick question. Are there any packages with „desktop” udev policies?
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• 864[08:05:03] <Guest70> alkisg: Thank you, its working fine now. :)
• 865[08:05:06] <Wizard> I was browsing through /sys in my Stretch/amd64 and some stuff, for example backlight control, can be only done by root.
• 866[08:05:10] <alkisg> Guest70: np
• 867[08:05:11] <Wizard> Which is weird.
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• 873[08:12:09] <briner> So.. there is not a way to re-read a message shown in a dialog ?
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• 1106[10:17:19] <AkQ> how can i check or verify which port is MariaDB listening to?
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• 1116[10:20:37] <bezaban> AkQ: netstat / ss from the host perspective, db client or similar if you want to verify firewalls / packet filtering etc
• 1117[10:21:51] <AkQ> hmmh thanks a lot bezaban but i'm fairly noob in linux world and i didn't quite understand your answer T_T
• 1118[10:22:00] <bezaban> lsof might be better suited
• 1119[10:23:04] <bezaban> AkQ: try sudo lsof -i | grep LISTEN
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• 1124[10:23:47] <AkQ> mysqld 3521 mysql 17u IPv4 20078 0t0 TCP localhost:mysql (LISTEN)
• 1125[10:24:07] <AkQ> hmmmmh so i guess i didn't edit the port correctly
• 1126[10:24:09] <bezaban> AkQ: that's only listening on localhost, it's translating the port number to the 'string' mysql
• 1127[10:24:12] <AkQ> i want it to use custom port
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• 1129[10:24:32] <bezaban> ah :)
• 1130[10:25:08] <bezaban> er. string 'mysql' :>
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• 1136[10:27:46] <jelly> "getent services mysql"
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• 1156[10:33:05] <xdruppi> is using GNOME bad? i cant decide between XFCE or GNOME, i dont want to use KDE cus it feels bad to me, but GNOME feels really nice, however i feel like im doing it wrong?
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• 1158[10:34:04] <PinkLiquid> xdruppi, it's personal choice
• 1159[10:34:24] <PinkLiquid> install both and change at will
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• 1164[10:35:27] <PinkLiquid> xdruppi, I am on sid at home, today I'm on xfce cos cinnamon broke, and yesterday was KDE
• 1165[10:36:07] <PinkLiquid> stable is more static with personal choice
• 1166[10:36:23] <xdruppi> im having a hard time deciding this lol
• 1167[10:36:51] <PinkLiquid> have u tried both?
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• 1169[10:37:40] <xdruppi> yes i have
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• 1173[10:39:34] <xdruppi> what confuses me is that, GNOME is the default DE of many distros, and the fact that it's very popular makes me think it's more significant that XFCE, maybe im wrong though
• 1174[10:39:39] <xdruppi> i've messed around XFCE too, changing it to my own preferences
• 1175[10:39:48] <xdruppi> but for some reason GNOME feels more "responsive"
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• 1177[10:39:55] <xdruppi> smoother if you will
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• 1189[10:46:06] <PinkLiquid> xdruppi, gnome I feel is better with graphics, I would suggest you try cinnamon, a cross between both
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• 1191[10:46:39] <PinkLiquid> but yes xfce has its benifits
• 1192[10:46:43] <xdruppi> PinkLiquid: while i was trying out distros, i used it with Linux Mint, not a really good impresion though...
• 1193[10:47:00] <xdruppi> felt very "old"
• 1194[10:47:01] <PinkLiquid> ok
• 1195[10:47:10] <PinkLiquid> I have not tried it on mint
• 1196[10:47:14] <PinkLiquid> but well I am old
• 1197[10:47:48] <xdruppi> what i like about XFCE is how customizable it is, way too much for my taste, but GNOME works smoother and no customization is needed/wanted at all for me
• 1198[10:48:23] <PinkLiquid> I understand, I like a taskbar
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• 1200[10:48:54] <PinkLiquid> fluxbox is fun if you want a mix of apps
• 1201[10:49:10] <xdruppi> PinkLiquid: is there a chance that Xfce will be discontinued in the near future?
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• 1203[10:50:02] <PinkLiquid> xdruppi, I am mere user, who knows, people come and go, new computers and code, any direction is possible,
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• 1205[10:50:41] <PinkLiquid> xdruppi, i presume you mean no longer developed, I doubt it in the next 2 years
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• 1215[10:53:30] <xdruppi> why does Xfce use GTK+2?
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• 1220[10:56:19] <Wulf> Good Morning. Package A depends on B. How can I ensure that when I install A, first A's postinst runs and only then B's postinst?
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• 1223[10:57:46] <jelly> xdruppi: because it's hard to rewrite things to 3, which is _very_ gnome oriented
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• 1238[11:06:15] <jelly> Wulf: you can't do that, B postinst will always run first since it's a dependency
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• 1241[11:06:30] <deadrom> hi
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• 1245[11:07:34] <Wulf> jelly: what if I create C and have A depend on C, B?
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• 1247[11:08:37] <jelly> Wulf: what are you really trying to do
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• 1250[11:10:00] <Wulf> jelly: I get package B from elsewhere and I don't want to modify it. I want to use apparmor to set some constraints on what B can do. Therefore I think I first need to reconfigure apparmor and only then run B's postinst.
• 1251[11:10:07] <nick_l> How can I setup DNS such that it works like on MacOSX where lookups are done possibly in parallel even and the first server to respond is used?
• 1252[11:10:15] <nick_l> (I am in a hostile network environment where basic things like DNS do not properly work. )
• 1253[11:10:20] <nick_l> Two servers are in my resolv.conf, but only one of them actually works.
• 1254[11:10:21] <Wulf> nick_l: dnsmasq does that
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• 1257[11:11:24] <Wulf> nick_l: I'm also in such kind of network. dnsmasq sends all queries to specific domains to two "hostile" dns servers. All other queries currently go to evil (8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4) dns servers.
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• 1263[11:12:52] <jelly> so you have two hostile, but not evil, and two evil, but not hostile nameservers? :-)
• 1264[11:13:09] <Wulf> they're all evil.
• 1265[11:13:20] <Wulf> but some are evil *and* hostile.
• 1266[11:13:23] <jelly> run your own recursor.
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• 1269[11:15:43] <jelly> Wulf: you could restart B services after messing with its config?
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• 1271[11:16:21] <Wulf> jelly: by then its code would have run already without apparmor
• 1272[11:16:22] <jelly> I guess you'd prefer to avoid the race condition where it's installed but able to do more than it should be able to?
• 1273[11:17:13] <jelly> I don't think this can be solved without scripting, outside of apt/dpkg.
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• 1277[11:19:07] <jelly> I have no idea how apparmor is configured, but maybe you can first install apparmor profile for B, then install B, then install A
• 1278[11:19:09] <Wulf> ok.. then I'll install the packages in sequence, without "Depends"
• 1279[11:19:17] <Wulf> exactly
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• 1330[11:55:26] <dka> I get lost with pop/pops(starttls)/pops(ssl) and imap/imaps(starttls)/imaps(ssl), Which port should be configured for each ? Should I use all of them or can I switch off pop and imap ?
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• 1353[12:09:45] <ov3rmind> her is a nice time to say god morning great guys!
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• 1364[12:19:58] <Wulf> dka: you can disable pop entirely. use imap.
• 1365[12:20:18] <Wulf> dka: and use imap+starttls (port 143) or imaps (993)
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• 1374[12:26:35] <dka> Wulf, yes so both work fine
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• 1376[12:26:38] <dka> the problem is more for pop
• 1377[12:26:45] <dka> I want to configure Gmail to retrieve my email from that mail server
• 1378[12:26:51] <dka> and apparently my pop configuration isnt done well
• 1379[12:27:22] <dka> I have port 993 enabled , but apparently pops is 995 is that correct Wulf ?
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• 1381[12:27:53] <dka> Gmail doesn't allow starttls, neither imap. So I have to get pop or pop3s, both doesn't work because I think I enforced SSL on port 993
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• 1384[12:28:25] <dka> now I am wondering if 993 is default fort ssl, because thunderbird tell me default for ssl is 995
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• 1388[12:30:32] <Wulf> dka: getent services pop3s
• 1389[12:31:12] <dka> ?
• 1390[12:31:24] <Wulf> dka: execute it in your terminal
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• 1399[12:37:11] <Hackebeil> :)
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• 1414[12:44:56] <kale> for some reason my lsb_release -a says "Codename: sid". my apt sources has always been stretch. how can i go back to stretch?
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• 1418[12:47:58] <themill> kale: what's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 base-files apt; apt-cache policy"
• 1419[12:48:01] <Wulf> kale: what version of base-files is installed?
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• 1421[12:48:32] <kale> i just did an update followed by dist-upgrade lets see what i end up with when its done.
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• 1439[13:02:15] <deadrom> debian on USB thumb drive for file server (storage on disks) - ok or no-no? tune for low writes? how?
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• 1441[13:03:27] <shtrb|laptop> Depending on the use case, you might get lockups if it is where the kernel is running from
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• 1443[13:03:57] <ewew> Hi. Is there support for ATI HD 3000 graphic card on debian ?
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• 1445[13:05:10] <shtrb|laptop> deadrom, I'm using a thumbdrive (true debian not live) for that. also do not expect that FS to live for a very long time
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• 1447[13:05:27] <shtrb|laptop> dpkg down - dpkg is down what the hell ?
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• 1463[13:13:40] <kale> themill: replaced-url
• 1464[13:13:45] <kale> Wulf: 10.1
• 1465[13:13:59] <deadrom> ewew: free radeon driver that comes with the kernel should handle it. won't work miracles but I guess you don't expect any on this relict :)
• 1466[13:14:12] <kale> i can see in the paste that testing is in there. but i do not remember enabling it.
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• 1472[13:15:38] <kale> ok found it, how would i go back to stretch from testing?
• 1473[13:15:43] <deadrom> shtrb|laptop: thought so. small SSD then.
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• 1480[13:18:06] <ewew> deadrom will it work with newer kernels ?
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• 1483[13:18:58] <kai_w> NFS seems to be ignoring my secondary group permissions, any ideas what might be causing this?
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• 1485[13:19:23] <kai_w> I have --manage-gids set, and groups match on the client and server (via LDAP). sec=krb5i
• 1486[13:19:30] <deadrom> ewew: support for older cars usually gets ported along with new kernels, there won't be any new features or much done to improve power consumption or any of these things, but on open drivers you can expect it to stay operational.
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• 1488[13:20:02] <ewew> yes i am aware of that. i just wanted to be sure.
• 1489[13:20:07] <deadrom> ewew: now, it won't run the latest Steam-3D-craze linux port, but like I said, you prolly not looking for that in that museum piece
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• 1493[13:21:19] <deadrom> desktop, GL compositor effects, google earth - yeah. Return to Castle Wolfenstein - unlikely
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• 1495[13:22:32] <ewew> i don`t intend to play games on it. just one monitor with resolution 1920x1080
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• 1497[13:23:17] <ewew> other option is to go on AM4 platform. but im afraid that support will not be good.
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• 1500[13:25:25] <deadrom> well. my mileage with later AMDs varied. cards - yes. on-chip GPUs, especially rare budget chips... not so hot. I recently had an FM2 A4-5300 with HD7480D graphics that would boot loop on latest ubuntu, opensuse. something with the kernel mode switching I think
• 1501[13:25:51] <deadrom> in the small embedded range I'd look into NUC
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• 1503[13:26:46] <deadrom> intel works good, nvidia works really good with binary drivers, nouveau varies. if you are not hell bent on free drivers uber alles, nvidia-binary
• 1504[13:26:49] <ewew> what about integrated radeon R5/R7
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• 1506[13:27:27] <deadrom> ewew: no clue, didn't know there was integrated 5/7 yet
• 1507[13:27:55] <deadrom> over at #radeon the might tell you more
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• 1509[13:29:05] <ewew> wait it looks like it depends on cpu.
• 1510[13:29:56] <ewew> well. this insane thing to put gpu in cpu. maybe its not good writen on the webpage.
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• 1512[13:31:02] <jelly> deadrom: experience suggests intel works good until 2 generations later, when they stop caring and introduce more and more regressions
• 1513[13:31:25] <jelly> nouveau is usually shit
• 1514[13:31:38] <jelly> amd is... surprisingly stable with free drivers
• 1515[13:31:50] <ewew> I think its a maze to find out what exactly is supported.
• 1516[13:32:05] <jelly> I'd say better than intel, on the small number of amd gpus that I've seen
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• 1518[13:33:08] <ewew> the last mb had hd4250 integrated graphic.
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• 1520[13:33:48] <jelly> hd5450 (passive cooling, but discrete) worked just fine on stretch and I think even jessie + bpo
• 1521[13:33:51] <ewew> The mb which i have now is no longer available.
• 1522[13:36:53] <ewew> the replacement mb is with the hd3000 or without integrated graphic. The main issue is that should i go to am4 or am3+
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• 1528[13:41:21] <deadrom> jelly: so far intel has been the least troublesome chip I had in any linux device. laptops, compact computers, the NUCs, small appliances like the compute stick, even my media center at home (8 years old by now, sandy bridge, works a charm)
• 1529[13:41:35] <shtrb|laptop> deadrom, the only lockups I know when there are kernel upgrades or call to sync (if you can afford that that could be "okish")
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• 1549[13:51:23] <beli3ver> hi
• 1550[13:51:24] <beli3ver> :D
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• 1552[13:52:09] <tw> the open source amdgpu is the same driver, minus certain features only in the closed source version.
• 1553[13:52:21] <tw> So it should be really good, sans things like compat profiles.
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• 1556[13:52:51] <tw> I was under the impression that amdgpu-pro used amdgpu.
• 1557[13:52:56] <Wizard> beli3ver: hi.
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• 1577[14:01:16] <beli3ver> is someone here use mcabber
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• 1582[14:03:36] <extrubi> hi
• 1583[14:03:50] <extrubi> where are tmp files stored?
• 1584[14:04:01] <extrubi> on the disk or in RAM?
• 1585[14:04:14] <extrubi> do I have any chance to recover some files from there?
• 1586[14:04:44] <extrubi> I am talking about /tmp folder
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• 1589[14:05:47] <BCMM> extrubi: check your mounts
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• 1594[14:08:18] <BCMM> extrubi: /tmp/ is supposed to be for files that do not need to persist on reboot. either you can mount a tmpfs there, or you can just let it be part of your root filesystem, and a script will clear it on boot
• 1595[14:08:40] <extrubi> I runned df -h
• 1596[14:08:51] <extrubi> I did not found /tmp folder there
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• 1601[14:11:22] <RoyK> extrubi: then tmp isn't on a separate ilesystem
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• 1603[14:12:17] <extrubi> is there any way to recover those files?
• 1604[14:12:33] <extrubi> I knew there was one called recuva
• 1605[14:12:37] <extrubi> but it was for windows
• 1606[14:13:07] <RoyK> iirc there are jobs removing tmp on reboots - varying between distros, of course, not sure for debian
• 1607[14:13:14] <BCMM> extrubi: is the file actually gone yet? did you reboot since creating this file, for example?
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• 1609[14:14:03] <BCMM> extrubi: if your tmpfs is part of your rootfs, and the file has actually been rm'ed, you could try using photorec
• 1610[14:14:13] <BCMM> (despite the name, it's not just for JPEGs)
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• 1612[14:14:49] <BCMM> there's also extundelete. not really sure how that one works, but worth a look.
• 1613[14:15:53] <deadrom> extrubi: mount | grep tmp <- whazzat say?
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• 1615[14:16:41] <extrubi> mount | grep tmp
• 1616[14:16:41] <extrubi> udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,nosuid,relatime,size=8164348k,nr_inodes=2041087,mode=755)
• 1617[14:16:41] <extrubi> tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,size=1635124k,mode=755)
• 1618[14:16:41] <extrubi> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
• 1619[14:16:41] <extrubi> tmpfs on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=5120k)
• 1620[14:16:41] <extrubi> tmpfs on /sys/fs/cgroup type tmpfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,noexec,mode=755)
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• 1623[14:17:58] <extrubi> replaced-url
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• 1625[14:19:43] <extrubi> @deadrom it is the same as df -h.. almost
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• 1628[14:21:49] <deadrom> shtrb|laptop: the thought crossed me to raid1 *two* thumb drives...
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• 1631[14:22:07] <BCMM> extrubi: photorec or extundelete
• 1632[14:22:15] <BCMM> extrubi: (i'm assuming your / is ext4)
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• 1634[14:22:34] <BCMM> if the deleted file is valuable to you, stop what you're doing and recover it *now*
• 1635[14:22:47] <BCMM> deleted files can be overwritten by new files at any time
• 1636[14:23:10] <BCMM> (because, y'know, they're deleted)
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• 1638[14:23:49] <shtrb|laptop> deadrom, having raid 10 might be better :)
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• 1641[14:26:10] <deadrom> extrubi: you might condsider remounting read-only. but - where was the file originally? how did it wind up in tmp? did you put it there deliberately?
• 1642[14:26:28] <shtrb|laptop> deadrom, There was a funny feature with running over usb for some time , when dpkg unpacks it would disable your keyboard and mice (the computer one not the hairy one)
• 1643[14:26:30] <deadrom> /tmp is not in mount/df anymore..?
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• 1645[14:27:18] <shtrb|laptop> it is reported by mount if that is your question
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• 1647[14:28:09] <shtrb|laptop> (If mounted and not used over by tmpfs to /run/user/uid)
• 1648[14:28:16] <BCMM> deadrom: as mentioned above, that depends on whether /tmp is actually a mount
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• 1650[14:29:01] <BCMM> deadrom: it's entirely possible for /tmp/ to just be a directory on the root filesystem. in fact, I *think* that's currently the default in Debian
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• 1652[14:29:56] <Rooot> hello
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• 1654[14:30:46] <AkQ> for mysql connection coming from outside, is it adviced to change the mysql default port from 3306 to custom number? i'm thinking it's not necessary because the outside connection is possible only from one IP address, or am i missing something here?
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• 1656[14:31:33] <Rooot> I'd like to install current firefox on stretch. On this page on the right there are tarballs. can I just download them or should I also add the sid repo alongside?
• 1657[14:31:39] <Rooot> replaced-url
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• 1659[14:32:04] <Rooot> the latter is not recommended, as far as I know
• 1660[14:32:07] <shtrb|laptop> AkQ, it would let some feel of security , but that you should only allow few connection to connect to the service (whitelist and not black list)
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• 1664[14:33:18] <AkQ> hmmh well any connection coming from any other IP would fail anyway, because only one IP is allowed to log into mysql from outside of the server
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• 1667[14:34:00] <shtrb|laptop> Are you willing to allow any person on the street try opening your door ?
• 1668[14:34:16] <AkQ> valid point
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• 1671[14:34:54] <AkQ> well even if the analogy doesnt exactly work.. oh well
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• 1673[14:35:30] <AkQ> how do i change the default port for 10.2.13-MariaDB
• 1674[14:36:13] <BCMM> i mean, you pretty much *do* allow random people in the street to try your door
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• 1677[14:36:34] <BCMM> your front door is, ordinarily, the thing that keeps people out of your house
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• 1680[14:36:57] <AkQ> that would imply that anyone can try to log in, but they don't have the right user/password combination
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• 1682[14:37:07] <AkQ> in this case, the login is allowed only from one IP
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• 1686[14:37:52] <AkQ> you could say that everyone knows the stairways of the building where i live and people could try the front door of the building, but not directly my apartment
• 1687[14:38:13] <jelly> AkQ: just don't allow access to mysql from public internet at all. Use local firewall rules to block any traffic to relevant inbound port and protocol, allowing only the trusted client IP addresses.
• 1688[14:38:17] <BCMM> so basically you live on a NAT
• 1689[14:38:44] <briner> When I plug an external screen through my dock, the screen freezes !
• 1690[14:38:47] <jelly> AkQ: it takes a couple hours to knock on every door on every building on ipv4.
• 1691[14:38:56] <briner> which file should I look to to investigate ?
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• 1693[14:39:37] <jelly> AkQ: and that's what botnets do on a daily basis. Next time there's a remote unauthed exploit in mysql/mariadb, you don't want yours to be exposed.
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• 1696[14:39:57] <AkQ> i have" ufw default deny incoming" and "ufw allow 3306"
• 1697[14:40:17] <AkQ> buuut i guess i could change the port
• 1698[14:40:21] <jelly> AkQ: only allow 3306/tcp from specific fixed ip trusted sources.
• 1699[14:40:27] <jelly> not from everywhere.
• 1700[14:40:40] <AkQ> yea okay that works - i dont know how to change mysql port
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• 1702[14:41:15] <jelly> and then, just the fact that traffic can be intercepted easily remains
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• 1706[14:42:00] <jelly> for interactive casual use, ssh tunneling is a relatively simple way to do safe mysql connectivity similar to vpn
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• 1708[14:43:07] <AkQ> yea this is first time i have to use mysql from outside
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• 1710[14:43:24] <BCMM> ssh tunnelling is great when you need access to a single port somewhere. it's like a VPN except that you've already set it up
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• 1712[14:44:01] <bezaban> or socks proxy and it's practically the same
• 1713[14:44:30] <bezaban> .. for stuff that supports that
• 1714[14:44:31] <shtrb|laptop> AkQ, better ssh / vpn then opening a port
• 1715[14:44:40] <shtrb|laptop> and you firewall should also run inside your network
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• 1718[14:47:37] <AkQ> i got two VPS, both has ufw, and the other one has to connect the other ones mysql
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• 1721[14:48:15] <AkQ> i ran "ufw allow from <ip-of-the-other-vps>"
• 1722[14:48:28] <shtrb|laptop> That is not what I'm talking about, assume that any member of your internal network is an attacker
• 1723[14:48:28] <AkQ> would that suffice as decent security?
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• 1727[14:49:23] <AkQ> shtrb|laptop: i'm not sure what are you trying to say :o
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• 1732[14:50:01] <shtrb|laptop> AkQ - do not listen on public (and have firewall on the public side) and secure your internal network
• 1733[14:50:36] <AkQ> idk how to do that, both VPS are in Hetzner datacenter
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• 1735[14:51:04] <shtrb|laptop> your A/C and lightbulb have enough juice to part of a DDOS attack
• 1736[14:51:39] <AkQ> what are you talking about? :o
• 1737[14:51:43] <AkQ> i'm very confused
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• 1739[14:52:38] <kale> AkQ: its just that many attacks comes from the inside. so it is a good idea to secure your systems on your local network as well.
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• 1741[14:53:08] <AkQ> but my servers are not in my home, they are in different country, in Hetzner datacenter :o
• 1742[14:53:16] <Rooot> I'd like to install current firefox on stretch. On this page on the right there are tarballs. can I just download one of them or is there a more advisable alternative?
• 1743[14:53:21] <Rooot> replaced-url
• 1744[14:53:26] <AkQ> i dont know what else i can do to secure them, they do have ufw already
• 1745[14:53:47] <Rooot> to download newer/newest firefox, I mean
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• 1749[14:55:40] <kale> AkQ: i mean the network local to the server.
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• 1758[14:58:27] <abrotman> Rooot: if you don't want to use packages, read the installation docs from the Firefox page .. We won't be much help
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• 1769[15:03:28] <Rooot> abrotman, i just wanted to know if it were ok to download-install the firefox tarball from the linked debian page above
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• 1771[15:03:46] <Rooot> ok in the sense of dontbreakdebian
• 1772[15:04:03] <AkQ> kale i've never heard about such thing
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• 1777[15:06:05] <BCMM> Rooot: replaced-url
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• 1780[15:06:24] <BCMM> Rooot: basically, use /opt/ or your home directory
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• 1785[15:07:57] <AkQ> in the subnet of my VPS ther is no other machines
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• 1787[15:08:07] <AkQ> mask is 255.255.255.255
• 1788[15:08:52] <BCMM> Rooot: sorry, i thought you were talking about Firefox's official tarballs
• 1789[15:09:06] <BCMM> Rooot: you know the tarballs on packages.debian.org are source, not binaries, right?
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• 1799[15:17:10] <Ool> AkQ: strange netmask
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• 1802[15:18:40] <BCMM> that's just the subnet mask for a network with... 0 accessible IP addresses?
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• 1804[15:20:03] <Ool> and when network address and broadcast address are the same …
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• 1808[15:21:39] <jelly> Rooot: any tarballs on debian site will be source tarballs. You'd have to build the software to use it.
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• 1823[15:29:30] <airking> Hello, my VPS seems to be rejecting my ssh keys now that I've rebooted. Can someone help me find the cause?
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• 1826[15:29:51] <airking> I've logged into the server and the key appears to still be there.
• 1827[15:29:57] <shtrb|laptop> reboot or reinstall ?
• 1828[15:30:03] <airking> shtrb|laptop: reboot
• 1829[15:30:48] <airking> shtrb|laptop: there is still an authorized_keys file in ~/.ssh that contains what I assume to be the valid key (the hostname at the end is still correct)
• 1830[15:31:33] <shtrb|laptop> is the key ok ?
• 1831[15:31:46] <airking> I think so, I still have the pub/priv key locally and it appears to match
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• 1833[15:32:04] <airking> unfortunately the stupid web console that my hosting provider gives me doesn't allow copy+paste
• 1834[15:32:20] <airking> but I read 15-20 characters from the back and front and they match
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• 1837[15:33:31] <airking> wait
• 1838[15:33:32] <airking> wtf
• 1839[15:33:34] <airking> it worked
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• 1841[15:33:53] * LeoNerd ponders a little X11 program that can "paste" by injecting keyboard typing events
• 1842[15:33:55] <airking> Now that I've password authed with the web console, my key auth works via ssh
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• 1846[15:34:27] <airking> LeoNerd: I tried writing a powershell script to inject the key by typing it. However it gets rate limited
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• 1848[15:34:51] <airking> also the powershell.sendkeys method forces all characters to lowercase...
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• 1851[15:35:09] <LeoNerd> Presumably you need to shift
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• 1857[15:37:37] <tw> yeah, you'd have to send the shift keydown to get it to uppercase.
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• 1860[15:39:08] <LeoNerd> I don't know how it works on Windows(?)+Powershell, but I know on X11, every key event has a modifier mask with it. So you don't actually need to send shift key events, you just have to set the right modifier bits on the keys you do send
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• 1867[15:41:50] <maunix> Hi all. I have a simple dumb question but i cannot find a solution. I upgraded my debian, and it updated the kernel too. The thing is that after the update i can not disable the sleep feature. I have gnome as desktop and it is disabled there but it continues to go to sleep.
• 1868[15:41:52] <airking> tw: it seems weird that that behaviour couldn't just be built in. If I type "A" just send "shift+a"
• 1869[15:42:30] <pragomer> hi. I am running debian9. my bluetooth mouse is totally lagging (the movings...). sometimes less, sometimes more. do you have any idea at what I could have a look?
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• 1875[15:44:16] <tw> airking: going super off-topic, it matters. The app can trigger events on shift key down/up. Toggling it fast can be not-good. Being smart about joining commands together is kind of hard too. Even xdotool makes you send keydown shift explicitly.
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• 1877[15:44:46] <airking> tw: I guess that makes sense, and I agree, fairly off topic
• 1878[15:45:02] <tw> The joy of automated application testing.
• 1879[15:45:22] <pragomer> ah: I am running gnome I forgot
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• 1914[16:03:52] <Guest59857> hey i have a question about suid. my /bin/mount permission are -rwsr-xr-x. that means the suid is set. so a normal users starts mount and shoud have root permissions. why cant I mount a usb device for example as normal user?
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• 1917[16:04:55] <themill> mount has those permissions so that it can be configured for users to do things, not so that users can always do things
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• 1925[16:08:38] <jelly> ,v sssd-tools
• 1926[16:08:39] <judd> Package: sssd-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.4-2; jessie: 1.11.7-3; wheezy-backports: 1.11.7.3-3~bpo70+1; stretch: 1.15.0-3; buster: 1.16.1-1; sid: 1.16.1-1
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• 1928[16:09:30] <Guest59857> but why do you need then the suid on mount. have you an example?
• 1929[16:10:09] <themill> Guest59857: so that you can configure it in fstab to permit users to mount things
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• 1935[16:12:17] <n4dir> Guest59857: doesn't answer your question, but pmount is handy when it comes to mounting usb devices.
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• 1937[16:12:23] <n4dir> as user. duh.
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• 1939[16:13:29] <Guest59857> themill: ok thanks that makes it more clear ^^
• 1940[16:14:10] <themill> see the "user" (and "nouser") options in fstab(5)
• 1941[16:14:16] <helmut> hi. I'm confused as to how the power button is supposed to work on stretch. my goal: when I press the power button, the system shuts down. observations: acpi-support-base does nothing, because systemd and logind are running. acpi_listen sees the power button. HandlePowerKey=poweroff in logind.conf. the system doesn't shut down.
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• 1944[16:15:08] <helmut> on jessie, acpi-support-base was working with systemd. since upgrading, the power button doesn't work anymore.
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• 1946[16:16:47] <alkisg> Guest59857: udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb1 => calls mount => mounts as the user
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• 1948[16:17:40] <alkisg> The mount calls are filtered by policykit too, so you can't call it directly yourself
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• 1954[16:21:33] <helmut> looks like this problem is not new #783466
• 1955[16:21:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1983[16:33:47] <rtp2342> i re-tested my qemu-kvm issue on 32 bit. on vmlinuz-4.9.0-5-686 host kernel it works fine, but with vmlinuz-4.9.0-6-686 qemu-kvm hangs. so somewhere between upstream kernel 4.9.65 and 4.9.82 kvm support for 32 bit broke.
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• 1985[16:34:55] <jelly> welcome to the wonderful world of barely tested Meltdown and Spectre-1 backport patches
• 1986[16:34:58] <jelly> I suspect
• 1987[16:35:13] <rtp2342> jelly: yeah, i guess it has something to do with it
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• 1989[16:35:35] <jelly> ,kernels
• 1990[16:35:36] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); buster: 4.15.0-1-686 (4.15.4-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 1991[16:35:37] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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• 1994[16:36:00] <Rooot> BCMM, jelly, so sorry for late response..yes, firefox packages are tarballs, I can install them like usual tar.gz2, bz2 etc., rightß
• 1995[16:36:01] <Rooot> ?
• 1996[16:36:22] <rtp2342> i could try 4.14.0 from stretch-backports
• 1997[16:36:23] <BCMM> Rooot: which firefox packages?
• 1998[16:36:39] <Rooot> BCMM, the ones on the debian link that I posted before
• 1999[16:36:50] <Rooot> replaced-url
• 2000[16:36:51] <BCMM> Rooot: those are not "packages"
• 2001[16:37:05] <BCMM> Rooot: you mean in the sidebar on the right?
• 2002[16:37:13] <BCMM> Rooot: those are source archives
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• 2004[16:37:29] <Rooot> yes, I mean them..ok, maybe I express it wrong, but I need to install them with usual tar process, right?
• 2005[16:37:48] <Rooot> I mean, I dont need to do anything else?
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• 2007[16:37:56] <BCMM> Rooot: is your goal just to get a newer version of firefox? or do you specifically want to compile your own firefox? (e.g. you have a patch you want to add or something)
• 2008[16:38:12] <Rooot> BCMM, just to get the new version
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• 2011[16:38:49] <BCMM> Rooot: mozilla releases their own pre-compiled firefox binaries, and the debian wiki has advice on how to use them without breaking debian: replaced-url
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• 2017[16:41:12] <Rooot> BCMM, I was wary of directly downloading from mozilla site, since it is one of the highlighted points of dontbreakdebian not to install directly from replaced-url
• 2018[16:41:39] <BCMM> Rooot: that's more or less what you're proposing doing anyway (by downloading firefox sources and doing make/make install)
• 2019[16:42:00] <Rooot> sure, but at least it is debian site
• 2020[16:42:03] <n4dir> !simple sid backport
• 2021[16:42:03] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 2022[16:42:03] <BCMM> the wiki advises you not to put your manually-installed firefox in /usr/
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• 2025[16:42:53] <BCMM> Rooot: well, you can download and compile firefox if you want, but its still worth looking at the wiki's advice regarding where you install it
• 2026[16:42:57] <n4dir> i think that is what you want to do instead of doing the usual *tar.gz installation. In general. Regarding firefox BCMM has pointed to a good solution (probably the best).
• 2027[16:43:11] <BCMM> i.e. don't put files in /usr/ that dpkg isn't aware of
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• 2029[16:43:32] <BCMM> it's also worth bearing in mind that firefox is not the easiest thing to build
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• 2031[16:43:49] <BCMM> has a lotta depedancies, takes a very long time, and is kinda fragile
• 2032[16:43:55] <Haohmaru> it's a webbrowser.. so it's a whole universe of pain
• 2033[16:44:03] <Rooot> right..I'd first thought about backports. as for sid, I'd also read that one should either have everything sid or testing, and not mix sid with stable..but maybe I am generalizing it
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• 2041[16:45:33] <Rooot> in the case of backports, is this source correct: 'deb replaced-url
• 2042[16:45:36] <Rooot> repo, i mean
• 2043[16:46:17] <BCMM> Rooot: no.
• 2044[16:46:27] <BCMM> there is no firefox backport for stretch atm
• 2045[16:46:31] <Rooot> this was what I had in my earlier debian
• 2046[16:46:34] <BCMM> it's esr52 only
• 2047[16:46:57] <Rooot> ah, probably it was jessie, and when I renamed the sources list it was overwritten
• 2048[16:46:59] <BCMM> Rooot: yes, there was a backport available then
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• 2052[16:47:18] <BCMM> i hear that it's something to do with Rust dependancies in recent firefox builds
• 2053[16:47:25] <Rooot> yes, I read that
• 2054[16:47:35] <BCMM> incidentally, i still have *no idea* what debian plans to do when esr52 goes EOL
• 2055[16:47:46] <BCMM> (which is scheduled to happen while stretch is still supported)
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• 2058[16:48:03] <BCMM> because the next firefox esr contains rust components
• 2059[16:48:39] <Rooot> so the backports option is gone, then
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• 2061[16:49:10] <Rooot> is it ok to add a sid line to a regular debian?
• 2062[16:49:12] <BCMM> Rooot: yes. the options that are available are listed on the wiki. which i linked.
• 2063[16:49:18] <Rooot> regular meaning stable
• 2064[16:49:21] <BCMM> !frankendebian
• 2065[16:49:21] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 2069[16:49:51] <Rooot> BCMM, do you see me when I'm typing? you reply instantly :)
• 2070[16:50:16] <BCMM> i was *not* answering yes to the "sid line" question
• 2071[16:50:20] <Rooot> ah
• 2072[16:50:22] <BCMM> i was answering yes to "the backports option is gone"
• 2073[16:50:35] <Rooot> sorry
• 2074[16:50:35] <BCMM> !frankendebian is my answer to the sid option
• 2075[16:50:36] <dpkg> ...but frankendebian is already something else...
• 2076[16:50:51] <BCMM> sorry about that, dpkg
• 2077[16:51:06] <Delta706> heh
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• 2097[16:58:21] <Rooot> thank you BCMM, thank you all for your insights.
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• 2100[17:00:07] <alioui_> hi
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• 2102[17:00:11] <alioui_> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
• 2103[17:00:11] <alioui_> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
• 2104[17:00:12] <alioui_> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
• 2105[17:00:12] <alioui_> or been moved out of Incoming.
• 2106[17:00:12] <alioui_> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
• 2107[17:00:12] <alioui_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
• 2108[17:00:12] <alioui_> hunspell-de-at-frami : Conflicts: hunspell-de-at but 20131206-5 is to be installed
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• 2111[17:01:33] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 2112[17:01:33] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2113[17:01:49] <jelly> oh.
• 2114[17:01:59] <jelly> dpkg, tell alioui_ -about bat
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• 2132[17:12:12] <litb> hello all
• 2133[17:12:25] <litb> I'm trying to install cmake:amd64 on jessie from jessie-bacports
• 2134[17:12:41] <litb> but it complains cmake:amd64 : Depends: cmake-data:amd64 (= 3.6.2-2~bpo8+1) but it is not installable
• 2135[17:12:54] <litb> why is cmake-data:amd64 not installable?
• 2136[17:13:07] <jelly> !bat
• 2137[17:13:07] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2138[17:13:11] <jelly> litb: ^^
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• 2141[17:15:04] <jelly> ,v cmake-data --arch amd64
• 2142[17:15:05] <judd> Package: cmake-data on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.9-1; wheezy-backports: 2.8.11.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.0.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3.6.2-2~bpo8+1; sid: 3.6.2-2; stretch: 3.7.2-1; stretch-backports: 3.9.5-1~bpo9+1; sid: 3.9.5-1; buster: 3.10.2-1; sid: 3.10.2-1
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• 2145[17:16:11] <litb> jelly, replaced-url
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• 2147[17:17:51] <jelly> litb: okay, what happens if you explicitely add cmake-data:amd64 to that command line?
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• 2150[17:18:19] <litb> E: Package 'cmake-data:amd64' has no installation candidate
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• 2153[17:18:31] <jelly> oh, no version at all
• 2154[17:18:40] <jelly> litb: run apt-get update (again)
• 2155[17:18:54] <jelly> and retry
• 2156[17:19:01] <litb> same error
• 2157[17:19:36] <litb> here it says there is only a cmake-data for ":all": replaced-url
• 2158[17:20:00] <litb> it's a little confusing
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• 2161[17:20:23] <pragomer> any ideas about bluetooh mouse lagging in debian gnome ?
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• 2163[17:20:36] <jelly> ,i cmake-data --release jessie-backports
• 2164[17:20:37] <judd> Package cmake-data (devel, optional) in jessie-backports/amd64: CMake data files (modules, templates and documentation). Version: 3.6.2-2~bpo8+1; Size: 1134.6k; Installed: 4371k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2171[17:21:55] <jelly> ,depends cmake --arch amd64 --release jessie-backports
• 2172[17:21:56] <judd> Package cmake in jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: cmake-data (= 3.6.2-2~bpo8+1), procps, libarchive13, libc6 (>= 2.15), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libjsoncpp0, libstdc++6 (>= 4.9), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.3),dpkg (>= 1.17.5~).
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• 2174[17:22:04] <jelly> that looks sane
• 2175[17:22:34] <jelly> litb: what's your native arch? dpkg --print-architecture
• 2176[17:22:43] <litb> native is i386
• 2177[17:23:00] <jelly> litb: version of apt and dpkg installed?
• 2178[17:23:17] <jelly> apt from jessie ought to be able to do that
• 2179[17:23:20] <nix64bit> any good tutorials on setting up openldap?
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• 2182[17:23:56] <litb> it went well for llvm and clang and lots of other things, but strikes on this cmake-data thing
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• 2185[17:24:46] <litb> i would install cmake:i386, but some dependency conflicts with clang:amd64
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• 2187[17:25:02] <jim> anyone from debian multimedia here? are you guys playing with supercollider any past 3.8.0?
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• 2189[17:25:35] <annadane> jim you're more likely to find the maintainers by contacting them directly
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• 2191[17:25:47] <litb> maybe I should really switch the native architecture to amd64 instead, i expect less problems then
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• 2195[17:26:23] <jim> annadane, the listed maints are the debian multimedia team
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• 2198[17:26:59] <jim> annadane, but yea, beginning to see that
• 2199[17:27:12] <tw> nix64bit: you could write several books on ldap tree planning and implementation. Openldap has a quickstart document for getting the basic server running with a single administrator.
• 2200[17:27:21] <tw> replaced-url
• 2201[17:27:43] <tw> if you want to do unix auth, make sure you add the posix overlay.
• 2202[17:28:04] <nix64bit> tw: thanks I dont need the book just want to setup my new voip phone
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• 2204[17:28:19] <jim> I wonder if there's a channel for them on oftc
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• 2207[17:29:27] <nix64bit> tw: will that work for debian as well?
• 2208[17:29:40] <tw> it should, it's what I used.
• 2209[17:30:03] <tw> that and a lot of trial and error getting sasl working <.<
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• 2212[17:30:48] <tw> you can skip most of it, I think down to step 10.
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• 2216[17:31:12] <nix64bit> thanks
• 2217[17:31:52] <tw> Err, step 8 is adding an administrator. You may need to do that one as well.
• 2218[17:32:12] <litb> jelly, is it that it can't resolve the dependency when it's an architecture-agnostic package?
• 2219[17:33:02] <nix64bit> so its best to build from source? not use a packaged version
• 2220[17:33:18] <litb> when i try to separately install cmake-data:amd64, it says "However the following packages replace it: .. cmake-doc" . not sure I understand that
• 2221[17:33:19] <tw> I used the packaged version, then modified the configuration database.
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• 2223[17:34:12] <tw> openldap stores its configuration in itself, like mysql's mysql database.
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• 2230[17:37:22] <nix64bit> BDB/HDB: BerkeleyDB not available
• 2231[17:37:28] <nix64bit> building from source
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• 2237[17:38:46] <jelly> litb: it's probably more like "multiarch doesn't work as well as you'd want it to, in jessie" and "use a separate amd64 chroot instead"
• 2238[17:38:50] <tw> That's weird. The slapd package depends on libdb5.3, which is BerkleyDB 5.3
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• 2240[17:39:29] <nix64bit> error in ./config
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• 2242[17:40:42] <nix64bit> I am going to try this rather apt install slapd ldap-utils ldapscripts
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• 2244[17:41:34] <nix64bit> that worked
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• 2248[17:43:09] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: DMM is pretty much a one man project. The main Debian maintainer team is rather hostile to the project.
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• 2262[17:46:30] <litb> i already have such a chroot.. i will pursue it further then
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• 2265[17:46:42] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: That said, marillat is pretty responsive to user emails.
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• 2267[17:47:03] <jhutchins_wk> jim: DMM is pretty much a one man project. The main Debian maintainer team is rather hostile to the project.
• 2268[17:47:12] <jhutchins_wk> jim: That said, marillat is pretty responsive to user emails.
• 2269[17:47:17] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: Oops. Sorry.
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• 2282[17:51:25] <Rooot> hello again, since the last time we talked, the terminal keeps blinking and has not been prompted back to ~$, after having downloaded firefox via wget.
• 2283[17:52:12] <Rooot> the terminal somehow doesnt close the process.
• 2284[17:53:02] <jhutchins_wk> Rooot: You can try cancelling it.
• 2285[17:53:17] <jhutchins_wk> Rooot: How long has it been hanging?
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• 2301[18:00:27] <rulezzz> Hi I have a debian box that won't boot, first time see this message replaced-url
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• 2304[18:01:23] <petn-randall> rulezzz: Try booting without the 'quiet' kernel parameter.
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• 2307[18:04:17] <rulezzz> petn-randall thanks how can I remove that parameter, boot on live cd or booting into the recovery option
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• 2329[18:10:30] <Rooot> jhutchins_wk, about an hour..I'd cancelled it before, but the same happened.
• 2330[18:10:47] <Rooot> looks like repetitive
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• 2333[18:11:21] <Rooot> download 100% is shown, and the package is in the folder.
• 2334[18:11:38] <Rooot> just the terminal operation doesnt get terminated.
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• 2348[18:19:34] <Sark> So, I've got a hard disk with an install I moved over from another box... It works fine, but for some reason it won't bring up the Ethernet interface automatically.
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• 2351[18:19:56] <Sark> When it comes up, I can then manually bring the Ethernet interface up, and run dhclient, and it works.
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• 2353[18:20:10] <Sark> I'm wondering if it's something to do with the modules that were in the initrd or something?
• 2354[18:20:19] <Sark> Is there a quick way to have it regenerate that?
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• 2367[18:25:49] <jim> jhutchins_wk, ok, thanks for the info... I'll try to contact him/her.
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• 2369[18:26:40] <annadane> i'm actually surprised "quiet" would fix it as opposed to just hiding messages and not booting anyway
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• 2376[18:29:17] <imp> Is there any way to retrieve USB productId without superuser permission? (as in : sudo lsusb -v | grep -e "^Bus" -e "iProduct" | sed 's/^ \+iProduct \+[[:digit:]] //;' | sed 'N;s/\n/ /' )
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• 2380[18:29:58] <jhutchins_wk> Rooot: You should check the md5sum of what was saved.
• 2381[18:30:21] <jhutchins_wk> imp: What happens when you run that?
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• 2383[18:30:48] <clinth> hi all! is there an easy way to see more info on how a virtual package is resolved to a concrete one? I'm looking at the `java8-sdk` virtual package, and I'm a little confused at how I can know ahead of running `apt-get install` which concrete package that provides it will be chosen.
• 2384[18:31:03] <imp> jhutchins_wk: That works normally lsusb gives me: Bus 001 Device 009: ID 1532:0032 Razer USA, Ltd <--- this is the vendor name.
• 2385[18:31:14] <clinth> in this case, since there's openjdk-11-jdk, openjdk-10-jdk, etc. will it simply pick the greatest version?
• 2386[18:31:42] <jhutchins_wk> clinth: aptitude install will give you a list of packages it proposes; you can tell it not to continue.
• 2387[18:31:42] <imp> With that I get the Bus and the produtid and merge in a single line, the output looks like: Bus 001 Device 009: ID 1532:0032 Razer USA, Ltd Razer Ouroboros <--- now the product name is here too ;-)
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• 2393[18:33:51] <clinth> jhutchins_wk: ahh, I see. if I install a package that depends on this virtual package, though, it seems to just pick one.
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• 2397[18:35:51] <Rooot> jhutchins_wk, sure, I'll do
• 2398[18:35:55] <Rooot> thank oyu
• 2399[18:35:57] <Rooot> you*
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• 2402[18:37:14] <petn-randall> rulezzz: If you have grub, press 'e' to edit the boot option. The kernel line should have a 'quiet' parameter listed. Remove that and boot with F10.
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• 2412[18:40:30] <rulezzz> pent-radall let me try that
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• 2414[18:41:40] <Sir_Designer> so my $20,113 + 6-year warranty offer for a $21,130 + 3-year warranty new car effectively shut up that sales staff. glory be to me.
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• 2447[19:00:31] <annadane> oh. *without* the quiet parameter
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• 2453[19:05:12] <martin-_-_> hi
• 2454[19:05:36] <annadane> hi, martin
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• 2457[19:06:08] <martin-_-_> I'm compiling gcc from source which takes a lot of time
• 2458[19:06:17] <petn-randall> Sir_Designer: You might want to move that discussion to #debian-offtopic, this channel is dedicated to support questions around Debian only.
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• 2460[19:06:29] <martin-_-_> when I go to sleep I need to power off my computer so I press CTRL + C while executing make
• 2461[19:06:41] <martin-_-_> I can continue building the next day by executing make again
• 2462[19:07:04] <martin-_-_> the build program should be broken right petn-randall?
• 2463[19:07:44] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: It should be fine, any missing files get compiled when running it a 2nd time the next day.
• 2464[19:07:57] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: Why are you compiling gcc by hand, though?
• 2465[19:08:04] <martin-_-_> great petn-randall I wasn't quite sure
• 2466[19:08:15] <martin-_-_> Its a custom version
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• 2474[19:11:16] <martin-_-_> petn-randall do you know if I can export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/gcc-4/lib:/usr/local/lib/ system wide? not only per user?
• 2475[19:12:23] <martin-_-_> I recognized, that debian is complaining it can't load lib x because "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/gcc-4/lib:/usr/local/lib/" wasn't executed at this time
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• 2484[19:18:16] <noodlepie> Hiya guys. Debian rules!
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• 2486[19:19:12] <bites> debian/rules ?
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• 2488[19:19:19] <noodlepie> I'm well chuffed with it, fast packages installs, centralized mirrored point of distribution for single update procedure, stable packages and full kernel support.
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• 2490[19:19:46] <noodlepie> I also run Gentoo which I love to, for different reasons. Alas the package install time is much longer for source packages but I can live with it thanks to the benefits of Gentoo.
• 2491[19:19:53] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: Sure you can, but changing the library path systemwide has a good chance to make your system unbootable.
• 2492[19:20:01] <noodlepie> I use Debian for older machines where package compilation isn't an option.
• 2493[19:20:04] <petn-randall> s/to make/of making/
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• 2495[19:20:22] <noodlepie> My friends love it but I think they just think its a windows theme with Google Chrome support.
• 2496[19:20:33] <noodlepie> Still if it keeps them free, I'm all for it. (:
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• 2501[19:23:12] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: Why do you need a custom gcc, though?
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• 2513[19:28:35] <petn-randall> gcc4 is ancient!
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• 2536[19:40:41] <rabbel> Hi all, I'm currently creating a systemd init script. My script is located in /etc/systemd/system/ as the documentation suggests. Now I want to enable this service so it starts when the machine boots. However, when executing the command `systemctl enable autossh.service` I run into the following error: Failed to enable unit: File /etc/systemd/system/autossh.service already exists. Any thoughts?
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• 2539[19:42:41] <rabbel> (my OS is Stretch)
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• 2542[19:43:49] <BanHammor> rabbel: could you pastebin the unit?
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• 2549[19:46:27] <rabbel> BanHammor: here you go: replaced-url
• 2550[19:46:53] <ksk> rabbel: you did issue a deamon reload? to make sytemd aware of the new unit
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• 2556[19:47:35] <ksk> also, what does systemctl status $unit say?
• 2557[19:48:01] <rabbel> ksk: systemctl daemon-reload does not help
• 2558[19:48:55] <BanHammor> i'm guessing the problem is in the Alias directive
• 2559[19:49:13] <rabbel> ksk: status sais running, 0 queued, 0 units failed. My custom service itself is running because I started it myself.
• 2560[19:49:41] <BanHammor> can you remove the directive, daemon-reload, any try again?
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• 2562[19:50:55] <rabbel> BanHammor: that works, systemctl is-enabled says enabled.
• 2563[19:51:02] <rabbel> But I'm not sure I understand why it works?
• 2564[19:51:11] <BanHammor> how's your unit called?
• 2565[19:51:18] <rabbel> autossh.service
• 2566[19:51:40] <BanHammor> so you are trying to create an alias to autossh.service with the name autossh.service
• 2567[19:51:45] <rabbel> Right ...
• 2568[19:52:13] <rabbel> That's interesting. What's the best practice? How should I call my unit?
• 2569[19:52:21] <BanHammor> just...don't alias it?
• 2570[19:52:29] <rabbel> Sure thing. :)
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• 2572[19:52:47] <BanHammor> aliases are needed when one unit has more than one name
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• 2575[19:53:18] <BanHammor> and they are created by ln -s
• 2576[19:53:36] <rabbel> Cool. I copied it over from the sshd.service, which does have the Alias entry with the same name as the unit.
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• 2578[19:54:21] <BanHammor> no it isn't
• 2579[19:54:33] <BanHammor> it's ssh.service, aliased to sshd.service.
• 2580[19:54:44] <rabbel> Oh! Right!
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• 2582[19:54:59] <rabbel> Didn't see that. Makes sense!
• 2583[19:55:14] <petn-randall> Was about to say that. ^^^
• 2584[19:55:22] <rabbel> The file already exists also makes sense now :)
• 2585[19:55:43] <petn-randall> 'systemctl status ssh(d)' both show the same output, as they reference the same service.
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• 2587[19:56:56] <rabbel> Awesome. Thanks BanHammor ksk and petn-randall!
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• 2589[19:58:23] <martin-_-_> petn-randall its an old slow sparc machine. how can I change or add to the library path /usr/local/lib systemwide?
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• 2615[20:10:08] <BanHammor> martin-_-_, you should definitely not do that, instead you should link your executables/libraries to an appropriate location via rpath. What are you trying to accomplish?
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• 2620[20:12:05] <martin-_-_> BanHammor where /how do I set --rpath? in configure?
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• 2631[20:15:20] <BanHammor> it's set via the LDFLAGS or LD_FLAGS variable
• 2632[20:15:36] <BanHammor> but i don't really have experience with automake, so i can't help you there.
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• 2634[20:16:35] <martin-_-_> BanHammor thanks anyway. Good hint!
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• 2639[20:19:23] <Ascavasaion> I have a RAID5 setup with 8x4Tb SAS disks. When I try a mount command with UUID code I get a "mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member' Please can someone help me?
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• 2662[20:27:14] <vlt> Ascavasaion: "A mount command"?
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• 2668[20:30:19] <Ascavasaion> vlt: Sorry, on another computer... I added a line much like this to FSTAB file. "UUID=hereIputtheUUIDIgotfrom_blkid /home/mint/nas ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1"
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• 2672[20:31:00] <vlt> Ascavasaion: Can you paste `blkid`, please?
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• 2675[20:32:39] <Ascavasaion> vlt: LEt me hop onto chat on that computer.
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• 2687[20:34:36] <petn-randall> !goal
• 2688[20:34:36] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
• 2689[20:34:40] <petn-randall> martin-_-_: ^^^
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• 2691[20:35:32] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: replaced-url
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• 2699[20:36:49] <Rooot> hello, how can I get rid of the boot dropping into initramfs?
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• 2703[20:36:59] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: and I added this to my fstab file before doing a sudo mount -a
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• 2705[20:37:00] <petn-randall> Ascavasaion_: And which block id did you use in your /etc/fstab?
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• 2707[20:37:06] <Rooot> some online posts advise fsck..does it solve this?
• 2708[20:37:08] <Ascavasaion_> UUID=fffb9e91-f4b2-5850-7f8f-7becf2346417 /home/mint/nas ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
• 2709[20:37:42] <johnfg> How do I force a pkg, viz. openafs-modules-dkms to reinstall/rebuild?
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• 2714[20:38:17] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: That UUID belongs to a member of your RAID.
• 2715[20:38:29] <petn-randall> Ascavasaion_: /dev/sda5 is only a raid member, not the block device that creates the raid.
• 2716[20:38:32] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: `cat /proc/mdstat`, please.
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• 2718[20:38:40] <Ascavasaion_> Oh
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• 2720[20:38:44] <johnfg> Nevermind, I got it: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg>
• 2721[20:38:46] <Rooot> I tried with three different drives, the same.
• 2722[20:39:12] <Ascavasaion_> mint@mint ~ $ cat /proc/mdstat
• 2723[20:39:12] <Ascavasaion_> Personalities :
• 2724[20:39:12] <Ascavasaion_> unused devices: <none>
• 2725[20:39:33] <Rooot> no, fsck didnt solve it
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• 2727[20:40:02] <Ascavasaion_> Oh, it is Hardware RAID
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• 2730[20:40:33] <petn-randall> Rooot: What OS are you running, and what release?
• 2731[20:41:21] <Rooot> petn-randall, ubuntu studio
• 2732[20:41:34] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: Did you use that hardware raid before?
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• 2738[20:42:58] <BanHammor> !ubuntu
• 2739[20:42:58] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 2740[20:43:01] <Rooot> but i know the problem from earlier OSes, too
• 2741[20:43:18] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: Yes, had it running in Debian on an extra 1TB SATA hard disk I added just for the OS, but then Debian HDD died. And I cannot remember what entry I used in Debian fstab
• 2742[20:43:26] <Rooot> I know it is not debian. but I think it is a general problem with linux distros
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• 2744[20:43:42] <Rooot> that may occur with linux distros*
• 2745[20:44:18] <Rooot> I can ask it on linux channel if this is an issue
• 2746[20:44:36] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: What does that mean, “an extra 1TB SATA hard disk”?
• 2747[20:44:40] <BanHammor> dropping into initramfs usually happens when rootfs cannot be mounted
• 2748[20:45:06] <Rooot> and how can it be fixed?
• 2749[20:45:15] <BanHammor> you might want to look at what caused the error
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• 2751[20:45:21] <Rooot> I tried rootdelay but didnt seem to bring much
• 2752[20:45:26] <abrotman> There's a whole channel called ##linux for general support
• 2753[20:45:35] <petn-randall> Rooot: It's irrelevant if it _can_ happen to Debian, it's a symptom, and we can't help you with the source since you're running a different distro.
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• 2755[20:46:07] <petn-randall> *finding
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• 2758[20:46:21] <Rooot> I dont see the point other than not wanting to help with it, but I will not insist. by the way, I am debian user, too
• 2759[20:46:22] <petn-randall> Rooot: Try #ubuntu, or if they're unwilling to help, try ##linux.
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• 2763[20:47:24] <Ascavasaion_> vlt... the 8 x 4TB hard disks are SAS and on a controller. I then added a 1TB SATA HDD to the motherboard SATA controller to run OS there.
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• 2766[20:49:47] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: Did you use that controller before? and where did the OS run before if you added the SATA drive just now?
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• 2769[20:50:59] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: the OS ran on URB stick... but it was too slow... so I addded SATA with Debian. IT worked. then the SATA crashed and now I cannot get it to work again.
• 2770[20:51:08] <Ascavasaion_> URB=USB
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• 2772[20:51:51] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: Yes, controller worked.
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• 2777[20:52:43] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: Can you boot from USB again to see how that controller appears?
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• 2781[20:53:32] <Emil> Hey
• 2782[20:53:33] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: Unfortunately not. Once I got the OS on SATA working I formatted the USB :-(
• 2783[20:53:57] <Emil> So I'm trying to compile htop and it asks me to do configure: error: You may want to use --disable-unicode or install libncursesw.
• 2784[20:54:08] <Emil> Now I've installed all libncursesw5* packages
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• 2786[20:54:16] <Emil> Is there something else I should install also?
• 2787[20:55:07] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: What version ran on the USB, which one on the SATA install?
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• 2789[20:55:32] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: It was Synology
• 2790[20:55:39] <greycat> judd build-dep htop
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• 2792[20:55:40] <judd> Package htop in stretch -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), dh-autoreconf, dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.1.1), libhwloc-dev [!linux-any], libkvm-dev [kfreebsd-any], libncurses5-dev, libncursesw5-dev, python-minimal.
• 2793[20:55:42] <Ascavasaion_> SATA was Debian
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• 2796[20:56:43] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: Synology is not a version of Debian I know.
• 2797[20:56:54] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: And what version on SATA?
• 2798[20:57:31] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: USB = Synology... SATA = Debian
• 2799[20:57:55] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: lsblk gives... replaced-url
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• 2804[21:00:16] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: What. Version.
• 2805[21:00:29] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: Stretch
• 2806[21:00:52] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: cat /etc/issue
• 2807[21:00:57] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: Not sure of exact version... was downloaded off Debian site in the past month or so.
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• 2809[21:01:41] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: That hard disk died. I am on Mint Live on USB device now.
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• 2811[21:02:20] <Emil> What package does ldd come from?
• 2812[21:02:39] <greycat> probably libc6 -- check with dpkg -S to be sure
• 2813[21:02:42] <vlt> !mint | Ascavasaion_
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• 2815[21:03:37] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: fstab entry varies from Mint to debian?
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• 2817[21:04:07] <greycat> I would certainly assume so.
• 2818[21:04:43] <vlt> Ascavasaion_: the fstab entry is your smallest problem. You need a device to mount a file system from.
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• 2821[21:05:49] <Ascavasaion_> vlt: I agree... it was something like /dev/something/something If that makes sense
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• 2825[21:07:03] <Emil> greycat: thanks
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• 2829[21:12:16] <Emil> okay so whatthefuck
• 2830[21:12:26] <Emil> htop thinks ncurses libs are missing :D
• 2831[21:12:41] <greycat> ,v htop
• 2832[21:12:42] <judd> Package: htop on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1-1; jessie: 1.0.3-1; jessie-backports: 2.0.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.0.2-1; buster: 2.1.0-3; sid: 2.1.0-3
• 2833[21:13:05] <greycat> judd build-dep htop --release sid
• 2834[21:13:06] <judd> Package htop in sid -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 11), dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.1.1), libhwloc-dev [!linux-any], libkvm-dev [kfreebsd-any], libncurses5-dev, libncursesw5-dev, pkg-config, python-minimal:native.
• 2835[21:13:23] <greycat> what version are you building?
• 2836[21:13:24] <Emil> greycat: I got the latest source from the actual source page
• 2837[21:13:26] <Emil> 2.1
• 2838[21:13:28] <Emil> 2.1.0
• 2839[21:13:49] <greycat> then I'd expect sid's package list to work, if those packages all exist on stable
• 2840[21:14:08] <Wizard> Could someone hilight me?
• 2841[21:14:13] <Emil> Wizard: yes?
• 2842[21:14:23] <Wizard> Emil: Thanks!
• 2843[21:14:39] <Wizard> I was testing my lemonbar setup :)
• 2844[21:14:57] <Emil> greycat: it's specifically complaining about not having ncurses :D
• 2845[21:15:08] <Emil> do I need to log in and out again
• 2846[21:15:22] <Emil> wouldn't believe I would have to do something as such archaic
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• 2848[21:15:25] <greycat> so read the config.log and find out what happened
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• 2850[21:15:43] <greycat> I'm assuming this error of yours happens during a GNU autoconf ./configure run
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• 2856[21:17:38] <Emil> Gah
• 2857[21:17:43] <Emil> doesn't like -static
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• 2859[21:17:46] <Emil> gnghnghgng
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• 2884[21:28:49] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 2889[21:29:34] <tobiasBora> I've a question: which program do you recommand to receive emails using the realtime IDLE protocol? I can't find any good tool that deal with IDLE?
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• 2896[21:30:58] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: Do you mean IMAP IDLE? Thunderbird can do that fine.
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• 2898[21:31:43] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: yes. I meant a command line tool, I'd like to plug it with mbsync for example
• 2899[21:32:17] <greycat> for that, I'd start with fetchmail
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• 2904[21:34:52] <tobiasBora> greycat: ok thank you, I'll give it a try. I was a bit afraid because it has not been updated for 4 years and seems to have quite a lot of security issues
• 2905[21:35:09] <tobiasBora> but if it's the only usable one, I'll definitely give it a try, thanks
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• 2914[21:44:17] <noodlepie> Building mesa just broke on my Gentoo box. Pasting the output online.
• 2915[21:44:29] <noodlepie> sorry, I meant that for #gentoo!
• 2916[21:45:17] <annadane> show us too, so we can laugh at you
• 2917[21:45:25] <annadane> (kidding)
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• 2919[21:46:58] <noodlepie> hehe
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• 2922[21:47:42] <SpeedyG> using gentoo broke my sanity... never found it again :D
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• 2928[21:48:47] <SpeedyG> but then again, there's only myself to blame... didnt know any better than to try gentoo on a 333mhz box ... those memories...
• 2929[21:49:03] <sine0> SpeedyG: I started to use linux with gentoo, because of the GentooX edition for the first xbox. it was only years later that I realised there were other types like debian.
• 2930[21:49:18] <annadane> gentoo's interesting, may try it someday
• 2931[21:49:30] <sine0> annadane: um na
• 2932[21:49:39] <sine0> why would you want to compile everything for fun
• 2933[21:49:55] <SpeedyG> sine0: I started with redhat because my teacher told me I had to... made me curious about linux in general and tried many different flavors... but somehow returned to debian over and over again, thats now my main distro :)
• 2934[21:50:01] <sine0> I would like to go through the LFS one time to get a deeper insight
• 2935[21:50:13] <sine0> yea me too
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• 2942[21:58:09] <ov3rmind> someone can try ping or traceroutr an ip address form me i can't stablish a connection form here
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• 2944[21:58:39] <ov3rmind> ... or open http 8080 at same address
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• 2946[21:59:22] <petn-randall> ov3rmind: There's plenty of ping services on the web, just FYI.
• 2947[21:59:26] <ov3rmind> is a connection offerred by hughesnet for a friend at the same city but here with my connection i can't connect
• 2948[21:59:44] <petn-randall> ov3rmind: which IP?
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• 2950[22:00:01] <ov3rmind> 100.69.252.10:8080
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• 2953[22:00:18] <ov3rmind> i have redirected a router 8080 port to one debian box
• 2954[22:00:22] <ov3rmind> with apache2
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• 2956[22:00:30] <ov3rmind> localy is running ok
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• 2958[22:00:47] <ov3rmind> but here i use teclaminas.com.br connection
• 2959[22:00:58] <ov3rmind> and i suspect of this provider
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• 2970[22:04:19] <petn-randall> ov3rmind: That is a IANA shared address space.
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• 2973[22:05:08] <petn-randall> ov3rmind: The 10.64.0.0/10 subnet is not routable over the internet.
• 2974[22:05:33] <petn-randall> ov3rmind: Which means, you've got carrier-grade NAT.
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• 2976[22:05:38] <ov3rmind> ok petn-randall
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• 2982[22:06:46] <ov3rmind> petn-randall i have got a look on router on the point of hughesnet connection external ip appearly 100.69.252.10
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• 2989[22:08:26] <petn-randall> ov3rmind: replaced-url
• 2990[22:08:56] <ov3rmind> very thanks for the greta guide
• 2991[22:09:06] <petn-randall> ov3rmind: If you have that, you can't run a server over your internet connection that is reachable from the internet. :(
• 2992[22:09:08] <ov3rmind> i take a look now
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• 3006[22:16:31] <Rooot> hello, I'm glad to be back here with a 100% debian-related question :)
• 3007[22:16:33] <ov3rmind> petn-randall, is a new client qith uses this connection i had put a debian system to provide a localy webserver for intranet
• 3008[22:16:51] <ov3rmind> and try ssh to it but no way to do that i undertood
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• 3010[22:16:56] <ov3rmind> very thanks
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• 3012[22:18:21] <Rooot> I have some deb packages to install from the web, because they are only available there. as regards dontbreakdebian and frankendebian concerns, what could be the best practice here?
• 3013[22:18:37] <Rooot> if there is any
• 3014[22:18:47] <annadane> Rooot, replaced-url
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• 3016[22:19:12] <Rooot> hi annadane, thank you
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• 3022[22:21:24] <Rooot> hmm, backports dont seem very promising
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• 3024[22:21:52] <annadane> not every package (and most aren't) is available via backports, it's a volunteer effort
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• 3027[22:22:11] <Rooot> sure
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• 3032[22:24:38] <petn-randall> Rooot: Where is the deb package from?
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• 3034[22:25:15] <petn-randall> Rooot: The postinstall script in a .deb are run as root, so you should ultimately trust the source. And also verify that the package hasn't been tampered with during installation.
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• 3036[22:25:24] <petn-randall> *during transfer.
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• 3040[22:25:46] <Rooot> petn-randall, installing and running in VM comes to my mind as an alternative
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• 3044[22:26:20] <Rooot> petn-randall, from foss developers, orgs etc..
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• 3049[22:27:58] <Rooot> I suppose VM can be one step better than the system itself
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• 3054[22:29:06] <petn-randall> Rooot: And they provide blank .deb files without a surrounding repo?
• 3055[22:29:31] <segfalt> I have a Debian package for our company that has Depends: foo(=1.2.3), while the repo has a newer version. I'm surprised to learn that while a newer version exists, the package with the dependency reports it cannot be installed because a newer version of it's dependency is "to be installed". Is there a way to control this behavior?
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• 3057[22:30:01] <Rooot> petn-randall, exactly that
• 3058[22:30:08] <petn-randall> segfalt: Fix the company package.
• 3059[22:30:10] <segfalt> My desired outcome is that the package with the dependency controls the explicit version of the dependency that is installed, always, and automatically.
• 3060[22:30:39] <segfalt> I'm creating the package, so I have total control here. What I'm hoping to not have to do is explicitly install anything but the one package.
• 3061[22:30:44] <petn-randall> segfalt: That won't work, since the version it's depending on might not be available in the official repos anymore.
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• 3063[22:31:04] <segfalt> In this case it's all bespoke packages, and I can be sure it will be available.
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• 3065[22:31:17] <petn-randall> segfalt: so if you now have foo 1.2.3.1, there might be a security update in a week and only 1.2.3.2 will be available.
• 3066[22:31:48] <petn-randall> segfalt: It's more sensible to depend on >= 1.2.3.1, << 1.3 instead.
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• 3068[22:32:06] <petn-randall> segfalt: Of course this all depends on the details what "foo" exactly is in this case.
• 3069[22:32:11] <segfalt> I see, so if I have the << depend, and 2.0 is available, will apt-get do what I expect?
• 3070[22:33:26] <segfalt> I actually like that a lot more, because of exactly the scenario you mention.
• 3071[22:33:44] <segfalt> Thank you petn-randall, I'll head down that path for a bit.
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• 3079[22:37:05] <petn-randall> segfalt: Well, but if you have the systems properly set up, you'll never have version numbers jump, anyway. All stable packages stay the same, they only get release-critical bugfixes and security updates.
• 3080[22:37:18] <MichaelOF> hi all. trying to ask again: I have a Clonzeilla Live image installed to an usb hdd. base system is debian. seems to boot using uefi, works fine on a newer uefi-enabled box. trying on an older laptop, not able to boot uefi, this hdd is not even recoginzed as bootable. although partition has boot flag. any hint? how do I (if possible) "downgrade" and uefi based debian to legacy boot?
• 3081[22:37:54] <Wizard> Can someone hilight me?
• 3082[22:38:20] <Sir_Designer> Wizard
• 3083[22:38:29] <ardualabs> I don't have a specific fix for you MichaelOF, but based on my personal experience with an Acer with a janky UEFI bios, I would recommend you do some research on the BIOS that comes with the failing system
• 3084[22:39:01] <segfalt> petn-randall: Yeah, fair point, and something we've been moving toward anyway, so this will force the issue.
• 3085[22:39:04] <ardualabs> If possible (and if you haven't) see about upgrading that bios to see if it helps.
• 3086[22:39:35] <petn-randall> segfalt: FYI, there's also #packaging on irc.oftc.net, where you can ask packaging support questions.
• 3087[22:40:08] <petn-randall> Specifically for Debian packages that are not meant to be included in the official repos.
• 3088[22:40:14] <petn-randall> Wizard: ping
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• 3091[22:40:36] <segfalt> Awesome, thanks.
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• 3099[22:41:41] <petn-randall> MichaelOF: It's not possible. If it's a GPT, there is a protected MSDOS partition table that just marks everything as used so legacy tools don't touch it.
• 3100[22:41:50] <petn-randall> MichaelOF: I recommend reinstalling.
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• 3102[22:42:45] <MichaelOF> GPT I check with fdisk, right?
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• 3105[22:43:05] <Wizard> petn-randall: pong, thanks!
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• 3109[22:45:27] <petn-randall> MichaelOF: gdisk is for GPT, fdisk is for MSDOS partition tables.
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• 3113[22:46:10] <Kelsar> fdisk in current versions is fine for gpt
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• 3124[22:51:10] <petn-randall> Ah, true. I forgot that it supports it now.
• 3125[22:51:30] <Kelsar> "now" ;)
• 3126[22:51:35] <petn-randall> (it used to be as described above in the past)
• 3127[22:51:42] <Kelsar> couple of years, atleast upstream
• 3128[22:51:47] <petn-randall> Hehe.
• 3129[22:51:57] <petn-randall> So one Debian release? ;)
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• 3139[22:55:50] <MichaelOF> petn-randall: the (f)disk shows me this: replaced-url
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• 3144[22:58:08] <segfalt> petn-randall: Interestingly, that didn't seem to work. I'm now seeing "bar : Depends: foo (< 1.2) but 2.3.0 is to be installed" (names changed to protect the guilty). I can definitely pop over to that other chat if you prefer as well.
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• 3146[22:58:30] <segfalt> dpkg --info shows: "Depends: foo(<<1.2), foo(>=1.1.1.1)"
• 3147[22:58:30] <dpkg> segfalt: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
• 3148[22:58:38] <taylan> the graphical wifi network selection / settings screen don't show any networks, even though "iwlist scan" shows our access point. what may be wrong?
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• 3151[23:01:49] <taylan> I made sure that wlan0 isn't in /etc/network/interfaces (in fact only 'lo' is there)
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• 3164[23:06:38] <petn-randall> segfalt: Do you really need to protect the package name you depend on? Especially if it's a Debian package?
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• 3167[23:07:51] <segfalt> It's not a debian package, it's a $company package. *shrug*
• 3168[23:07:52] <taylan_> I just installed wicd and it works lol
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• 3173[23:09:47] <taylan_> does anyone know if wicd can be configured not to show this bottom left system tray icon but rather one in the top right settings thing in gnome?
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• 3184[23:13:51] <petn-randall> segfalt: Oh, a company package is depending on another company package?
• 3185[23:14:37] <petn-randall> segfalt: Then at least give the proper package numbers, so I can tell you if the versioned depends is correct.
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• 3189[23:15:32] <taylan_> installing wicd seems to have solved an unrelated issue as well: Facebook's rightmost "messenger" panel would claim that the PC is offline when it wasn't. funny that.
• 3190[23:15:49] <taylan_> (this PC is for my dad; I don't actively use Bookface myself :P)
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• 3202[23:20:16] <segfalt> petn-randall: Those package numbers are correct (sorry, got pulled away). We really did go from 1.1.1.1 to 2.3.0.
• 3203[23:20:24] <segfalt> I'm told there were interim versions, but they didn't land in my package mirror. :)
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• 3208[23:23:42] <annadane> can anyone with experience in virt-manager tell me if choosing the maximum RAM will slow down the host, not sure how it's shared from host to guest
• 3209[23:24:03] <annadane> assuming the guest is allocated x amount of ram but doesn't actually end up using all of it
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• 3213[23:24:49] <annadane> it doesn't _really_ matter, feel free to ignore that
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• 3217[23:27:14] <petn-randall> annadane: All RAM gets allocated to the guest, it will end up using it as (file) cache.
• 3218[23:27:32] <petn-randall> annadane: So you can't really overcommit without grinding the swap to death.
• 3219[23:27:49] <annadane> i guess about half the host's ram is a good guess
• 3220[23:27:53] <petn-randall> (which is why I turn off memory overcommit on my vm hosts)
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• 3228[23:33:18] <annadane> i need a gigantic battlestation of a computer purely to run VMs on :D
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• 3257[23:44:36] <raf> /join #offsec
• 3258[23:44:44] <aokfire> Hi, how do I format these commands for /etc/fstab?
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• 3260[23:45:13] <aokfire> sudo mount --bind /mnt/backups /home/readonlyuser/backups
• 3261[23:45:23] <aokfire> sudo mount -o remount,bind,ro /home/readonlyuser/backups
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• 3263[23:46:07] <aokfire> or if not possible, what's the best way to invoke them during the mount process, before regular programs are run
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• 3272[23:51:54] <zodd> aokfire, why mount and not symlink?
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• 3274[23:52:21] <aokfire> can I make symlink readonly?
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• 3276[23:52:34] <aokfire> this is the only way I found to make a readonly folder of an already mounted folder
• 3277[23:52:43] <aokfire> so it can be rw in another place to other users, but ro to one specific user
• 3278[23:52:48] <aokfire> using --bind
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• 3281[23:53:41] <Goej> Hello, I am wondering when Firefox quantum is coming to Debian stable?
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• 3283[23:54:49] <zodd> aokfire, ah. No idea why you would want that, but no, symlink does nothing with rights regarding rw
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• 3285[23:55:14] <aokfire> I want it as described, so whole fs is still rw for other users, specific folder is ro for another user
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