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9 [00:11:53] <emax44> hey, anyone knows why these pipe
characters appear in front of the window names?
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15 [00:15:06] <emax44> ok i figured it out hah, seems that the
pipe characters appear when windows are in a "snapped"
position
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21 [00:18:21] <awal1> emax44, win7 panel?
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24 [00:20:57] <user090909> Hello. Can You help me with this?:
25 [00:20:59] <user090909> root@Dell:/etc/default# locale-gen
"en_US.UTF-8" Generating locales (this might take a
while)... pl_PL.UTF-8... done Generation complete.
26 [00:21:00] <awal1> just bcoz of right corner vertical
"bar" for show desktop; I may be wrong :P
27 [00:22:40] <slidinghorn> user090909 - It says complete...what
is the problem?
28 [00:23:27] <user090909> slidinghorn: wanna change language to
english from polish and can't or I do something wrong
29 [00:25:09] <awal1> follow carefully this
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30 [00:25:41] <slidinghorn> awal1 beat me to it...typing on this
tiny bluetooth keyboard is slow going hahaha
31 [00:26:03] <awal1> slidinghorn, :P
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33 [00:26:28] <awal1> user090909,
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35 [00:28:17] <user090909> awal1: ok, cheking it
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53 [00:40:20] <user090909> awal1: slidinghorn
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56 [00:43:26] <slidinghorn> user090909 did you dpkg-reconfigure
locales as root (step 2)?
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61 [00:47:30] <bear_> hi
62 [00:47:38] <user090909> slidinghorn:
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67 [00:48:14] <user090909> bear_: hey
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71 [00:50:05] <slidinghorn> user090909 it looks like you
didn't export (step 1)...did you even read the instructions you
were shown? :/
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78 [00:53:54] <user090909> slidinghorn:
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79 [00:55:26] <slidinghorn> user090909 you exported
"spanish" - you want export LANG=en_us.UTF-8
80 [00:55:41] <slidinghorn> en_US.UTF-8
81 [00:55:43] <slidinghorn> sorr
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85 [00:57:24] <jamesc> i have a few different devices running
different OSes so forgive me if i am not in the right place. I have
raspbian running on a pi zero. i am trying to piggyback on the wifi
connection on my mac over USB, I have ssh'd into the pi zero
and have turned on internet sharing on my mac, there is a bridge
interface that I can ping from the pi zero, and i can ping the pi
zero from my mac
86 [00:57:46] <jamesc> but I am unable to ping google for
example from the pi zero
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88 [00:58:07] <rabbitear_sdf> forward never straight
89 [00:58:31] <user090909> slidinghorn: en_US... and the same!?
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104 [01:14:12] <jamesc> anyone got that tasty knowledge
105 [01:14:46] <abrotman> No part of that is Debian
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108 [01:15:32] <jamesc> raspian on pi zero
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111 [01:17:20] <hyperlumic> !raspbian
112 [01:17:21] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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115 [01:20:33] <jamesc> !fart
116 [01:20:34] * dpkg farts, releasing large quantities of methane and
sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE
YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!"
117 [01:21:05] <jamesc> that one was for you hyperlumic
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119 [01:21:30] <slidinghorn> dpkg is officially way cooler than
ubottu
120 [01:21:30] <dpkg> slidinghorn: I'm not sure, is it
larger than a breadbox?
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125 [01:25:43] <user090909> anyway... thank You and bye
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152 [01:42:43] <daniel__> Hi,
153 [01:42:53] <daniel__> I'm getting an error saying:
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157 [01:45:02] <daniel__> I'm getting a boot error saying:
Device on /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt has size of 431873381 sectors which
is less smaller than corresponding PV size of 450256486 sectors. Was
device resized? How can I check where the problem lies and solve it?
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165 [01:50:19] <wewlad> hello
166 [01:50:28] <wewlad> I have a node with LVM
167 [01:50:38] <wewlad> I am not really much familiar with that
technology
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169 [01:51:30] <wewlad> how do I figure out if there's more
free space to increase the current partition?
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172 [01:53:25] <awal1> since almost no activity on it, I guess
'menu' is just being abandoned progressively (?) #815184
173 [01:53:26] <judd> Bug
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182 [01:58:27] <bites> wewlad: with lvdisplay you check in which
vg the lv is you want to grow, then with vgs you check how much
space the vg has left.
183 [01:58:30] <Meteor0ID> i am trying to set up a webserver, and
unlike the tutorial i am following, i dont want to place anything in
/home/, i want to place it in /srv/ . The tutorial tells me to: echo
"export WORKON_HOME=~/Env" >> ~/.bashrc . Clearly I
need to change ~/Env to /srv/webroot/ . but what about that
~/.bashrc ?
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186 [01:58:47] <Meteor0ID> I am not entirely sure if I need to
change ~/.bashrc here
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188 [01:59:54] <wewlad> bites, vg name: 'vg01kvm',
VFree: '642,00g'
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190 [02:00:10] <Meteor0ID> this is the tutorial btw:
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192 [02:00:51] <wewlad> bites: I tried `lvextend +L 200g
/dev/vg01kvm/sklad` (LV Path) and got `Please specify a logical
volume path`.
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195 [02:02:05] <bites> wewlad: did you mean -L+200G ?
196 [02:02:17] <Meteor0ID> is bashrc always in the home folder?
197 [02:02:52] <Meteor0ID> directory! lets not call it a folder
ofc
198 [02:03:07] <wewlad> bites: no, why would I?
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200 [02:03:20] <bites> because that would be the correct way
201 [02:03:53] <wewlad> bites:
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205 [02:04:36] <bites> and what am i supposed to do with that
link?
206 [02:04:55] <wewlad> bites: ctrl+f for `lvextend -L +200G
vg2/lv_backup`
207 [02:05:12] <bites> yes, just like i said.
208 [02:05:13] <wewlad> `man lvextend` says `| -L|--size
[+]LogicalVolumeSize[bBsSkKmMgGtTpPeE]}`
209 [02:05:20] <wewlad> which I don't really understand
210 [02:05:38] <bites> you had a typo in the command you gave me
earlier.
211 [02:05:43] <LeoNerd> -L+200G -- adds 200G onto whatever it
currently is
212 [02:05:51] <LeoNerd> -L 200G -- set the size to be 200G
213 [02:06:07] <wewlad> omg
214 [02:06:09] <wewlad> I am blind
215 [02:06:10] <wewlad> lol
216 [02:06:28] <wewlad> g vs G
217 [02:06:37] <wewlad> not sure what's what
218 [02:06:53] <bites> and the plus is not supposed to go in
front of the L
219 [02:07:01] <wewlad> yeah, I noticed that part
220 [02:07:07] <wewlad> but now I also thought of g vs G
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222 [02:07:16] <wewlad> VFree gives 'g' units
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228 [02:09:04] <wewlad> okay, so seems liek it worked
229 [02:09:53] <wewlad> but `df` still says `used 97%` for that
/mnt/sklad (aka /dev/mapper/vg01kvm-sklad)
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231 [02:10:49] <bites> did you grow the filesystem or just the
partition?
232 [02:11:00] <bites> there is a filesystem in your lv.
233 [02:11:01] <Lyberta> hi, I'm trying to run live USB and
get "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0)",
help?
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235 [02:11:29] <wewlad> bites: resize2fs?
236 [02:11:45] <bites> depends on what filesystem it is.
resize2fs for ext
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238 [02:12:14] <wewlad> ext4
239 [02:12:29] <bites> then yes. you can even grow it while
mounted.
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241 [02:13:06] <somiaj> though usually it is suggested you backup
before doing anythign with your filesystem.
242 [02:13:15] <wewlad> too late
243 [02:13:20] <wewlad> thank you pals
244 [02:13:27] <bites> withoout a size parameter if you want it
to use all available space.
245 [02:13:37] <wewlad> I don't like partitions and
filesystems and all that :(
246 [02:13:39] <somiaj> Lyberta: What live usb are you trying to
run? State the image you are using and how you tried to run this
image (so any tools used to copy it to a usb drive)
247 [02:14:22] <memo1> friends, i have a question. Is a file hava
a integrity check (eg, sha512sum) and i want to compare with the one
i calcule in my console, how i do it programmatically?, compare both
248 [02:14:45] <Lyberta> somiaj, debian-live-9.4.0-amd64-mate.iso
via UEFI, written via dd
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250 [02:15:57] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: Looking at that guide, there
are some things I'm unsure why it is doing it. First I assume
you want to run this as some user? What user is going to be running
the process?
251 [02:16:53] <somiaj> Lyberta: I'm unsure if the live
images support UEFI or not, they didn't use to, but this may
have changed. Maybe just use legacy boot (can you use legacy boot on
your system)?
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253 [02:17:08] <somiaj> but everything sounds fine, might give
more details about the actual boot process.
254 [02:17:22] <Meteor0ID> it will become a production webserver,
so the privilleges must be sufficient
255 [02:17:55] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: okay, but that was not the
question, which user will be running the server? Are you going to
make an unprivlaged user just to run the server? Going to run it as
root (usually not suggested)
256 [02:18:11] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: also why not just use this?
257 [02:18:13] <somiaj> ,v django
258 [02:18:14] <judd> No package named 'django' was
found in amd64.
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260 [02:19:12] <somiaj> ,v python3-django
261 [02:19:14] <judd> Package: python3-django on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 1.7.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.11-1+deb8u2;
jessie-proposed-updates: 1.7.11-1+deb8u3; jessie-security:
1.7.11-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.8.18-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
1:1.10.7-2; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:1.10.7-2+deb9u1;
stretch-security: 1:1.10.7-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports:
1:1.11.10-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:1.11.11-1; sid:
262 [02:19:15] <judd> 1:1.11.12-1; experimental: 2:2.0.4-1
263 [02:19:52] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: jessie backports has
python3-django version 1.8.18 which might be sufficent for your
needs and usually cleaner to install than that guide you shared is
suggesting.
264 [02:19:52] <Meteor0ID> what benifit would that have?
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266 [02:20:12] <Meteor0ID> ah
267 [02:20:17] <bites> you want to use django's development
server in production?
268 [02:20:19] <somiaj> you will get security updates from debian
(though in this case, if building a production server, running
stretch might be better for a longer life)
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271 [02:20:35] <somiaj> and in stretch you can get up to 1.11.10
from stretch-backports, though the stretch version will have the
best security support.
272 [02:21:01] <somiaj> also I don't like how that guide has
you install virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper using pip. I would just
use the debian packages for that too.
273 [02:21:27] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: advantage, you get to use
debian's packaging tools to manage the software. The software
has been packaged and configured to run and work on the debian
system. You get seucirty updates.
274 [02:22:19] <bites> oh, the tutorial is for running django
with nginx. nvm, carry on. ^^
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277 [02:23:01] <somiaj> I don't see why that would matter,
nginx is in debian, you should be able to configure that to work
with the python3-django packages
278 [02:23:19] <somiaj> debian also has tons of django
addons/plugins(whatevers) available in the package repos too.
279 [02:24:03] <bites> nothing wrong with that
280 [02:24:22] <Meteor0ID> you might wonder why i am not
responding, i am contemplating whether i have learned enough in one
day and should go to bed to sort this out tomorrow. I have installed
a webserver 3 times today, in 3 different ways, and coming here with
one more question i get even better advise to do it completly
different again :p being the newbie always gets you tossed around
doesnt it
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283 [02:24:53] <somiaj> anyways, my suggestion is use the debian
packages if possible. And if you can't identify something that
running this in a python3 virtual enviorment gives you, stick to
debian packages.
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286 [02:25:30] <somiaj> If you do choose to use the python
virtual enviorment route, install python3-virtualenv to set up the
enviroment.
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289 [02:26:00] <daniel__> I'm getting a boot error saying:
Device on /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt has size of XXXXX sectors which is
less smaller than corresponding PV size of YYYYYYY sectors. Was
device resized? How can I check where the problem lies and solve it?
290 [02:26:07] <Meteor0ID> nah, i will explore the debian
packages
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292 [02:26:16] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: sorry to overwhelm, might be
worth resting on it and comming back with a fresh approach.
293 [02:26:28] <Meteor0ID> i know, the thing is i just did
294 [02:26:44] <Meteor0ID> and you have nothing to say sorry for
I am gald you are giving advise
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296 [02:27:07] <bites> you might need a virtualenv anyway
depending on what dependencies your django project has.
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299 [02:27:50] <bites> because you can update pip inside a
virtualenv and some pypi packages need a newer pip.
300 [02:28:33] <Meteor0ID> i will have to read way more about
what virtualenv actually does exactly, and what the debian /stretch
packages do
301 [02:28:48] <somiaj> yea good point, be sure to look at the
other python3-django-foo packages, debian probably only packages eom
of the additional features.
302 [02:29:01] <Meteor0ID> it did allow me to set up multiple
projects side by side which is nice
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305 [02:29:50] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: python3-virtualenv sets up a
location seperatlly form the main system, and then installs all the
python 'scripts' inside this isolated place, and then all
of the python tools and dependences are all run from inside this
isolated location.
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307 [02:31:06] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: this allows you to only use
.deb packages on your main system (suggested), and will make it so
things like pip3 install foo, or pip3 upgrade, will do this inside
the virtual enviorment, and leave the system alone (so that way the
system python is the pure debian one, and your virtual envoirment is
an isolated section that can have its own versions/software
independent of yoru main system)
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309 [02:32:25] <somiaj> I think you can do the multiple projects
side by side without a virtual enviroment. Though All the projects
will need to same versions of the python software. The virtual
enviorment allows you to have seperate versions of software
independent of the system or another enviorment.
310 [02:33:37] <somiaj> so overall that guide is fair, it nicely
isolates your django install. The only thing I would change is I
would isntall python3-virtualenv and not use pip3 for that.
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313 [02:33:57] <somiaj> I was just also pointing out that this
has been packaged in debian, and maybe you can take advantage of
that and quickly get to using django.
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315 [02:34:04] <Mattx> Hey all. is there a channel for networks
and http and tcp and etc?
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317 [02:34:32] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: there is ##networking for
actual networking. There is #httpd if you are intersted in the
apache webserer for http
318 [02:34:39] <somiaj> Mattx: ^^
319 [02:34:48] <Mattx> yeah i asked in networking already
320 [02:34:49] <Mattx> thanks
321 [02:34:50] <somiaj> Unsure if you were wanting newtorking, or
info on the actual http protocol.
322 [02:34:59] <Mattx> actually I'm trying to fix a problem
323 [02:36:34] <Mattx> Let me ask here just in case: these are
the latencies from 1000 calls to the same rest endpoint
replaced-url
324 [02:36:43] <Meteor0ID> I see
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326 [02:37:22] <Mattx> I tried distributing the requests among
multiple servers, I tried establishing many connections, I tried
many things and it's always the same
327 [02:37:38] <Meteor0ID> but if i want to run multiple sites
from one server, than i might need virtualenv to keep them
seperated?
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331 [02:38:25] <Meteor0ID> otherwise a security issue might
escalate to the other sites right?
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334 [02:39:12] <bites> are they different django app in the same
project?
335 [02:39:23] <bites> because those would usually run in the
same virtualenv.
336 [02:40:01] <bites> it's not really a security issue,
more like housekeeping.
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343 [02:42:39] <somiaj> Meteor0ID: virtual enviorments are not
jails, so if someone escalates a security issue and gains access to
the server, having projects in different virutal enviorments
won't protect them.
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432 [03:50:41] <awal1> packagekit(-tools) are installed by
default?
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434 [03:52:27] <awal1> packagekit ---»
APT-Manual-Installed: yes / packagekit-tools ---»
APT-Manual-Installed: yes
435 [03:52:43] <awal1> never installed them manually. so?
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438 [03:54:50] <awal1> aptitude why packagekit i packagekit-tools
Depende packagekit (= 1.1.9-1) / aptitude why packagekit-tools i
packagekit Recomienda packagekit-tools
439 [03:54:59] <awal1> a bit confused here
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442 [03:57:15] <awal1> (depende= depend / recomienda= recommends
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454 [04:06:15] <iateadonut> i think gnucash is a gtk program.
when i hover over an icon, the tooltips are empty. i think maybe it
has something to do with the theme - i'm wondering ho can i
tell which theme in /usr/share/themes/ might this program be using?
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470 [04:16:47] <awal1> iateadonut, you can start by finding out
which gtk version your program uses (2 or 3) maybe ?
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472 [04:17:32] <awal1> that will maybe help you to at least know
if you will check for a gtk2 based theme or a gtk3 based one
473 [04:17:40] <thingfish> anything I try to download from
debian.org ends up failing with a network error.
474 [04:17:47] <awal1> not sure if all that is helpful :D
475 [04:18:17] <thingfish> I can download fine from other sites.
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638 [06:43:51] <steinwayer> hello guys.
639 [06:43:54] <steinwayer> I have a little question..
640 [06:44:04] <steinwayer> i am afraid Debian is damaging my
macbook pro battery
641 [06:44:17] <steinwayer> when i started using it about a month
ago
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646 [06:45:10] <steinwayer> it would show 99% when fully charged,
but i thought, it's just 1 %. it could just be a little bug. no
big deal. But then, i noticed that everytime i would charge my
battery, from time to time, that maximum number would drop.
647 [06:45:24] <steinwayer> today, that number is 92%, at battery
fully charged... and i am starting to get very worrie
648 [06:45:29] <steinwayer> what do you guys think about it?
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650 [06:47:11] <steinwayer> anybody??
651 [06:47:35] <fredl> how would Debian do that?
652 [06:47:54] <fredl> actually what is your question?
653 [06:48:12] <Devastator> your battery might be dying..
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655 [06:48:54] <steinwayer> well
656 [06:49:04] <steinwayer> that is my question actually :D how
would debian do it
657 [06:49:17] <steinwayer> you know, power managing and battery
life has never been a real shining aspect sadly on linux
658 [06:49:31] <steinwayer> And that's of course because of
hardware manufacturers supporting in a very shitty way their
hardware on linux
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660 [06:49:51] <steinwayer> forcing the community to come up with
their own hardware, that of course sometimes, just cannot match
proprietary ones
661 [06:50:06] <steinwayer> well the battery is very new
662 [06:50:11] <steinwayer> just 80 cycles on it
663 [06:50:26] <steinwayer> i noticed this drop down in maximum
charge after this month of utilizing debian
664 [06:51:00] <steinwayer> i initially installed just regular
stuff on my Debian to keep the battery life at acceptable levels
(even tho they are not even close to the levels of OSX because of
the points explained before)
665 [06:51:06] <steinwayer> so i installed TLP, thermald
666 [06:51:09] <steinwayer> and mbpfan
667 [06:53:17] <fredl> good luck steinwayer
668 [06:53:29] <steinwayer> ?? what you mean fred?
669 [06:53:57] <fredl> well with all the precautions you're
taking
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671 [06:54:20] <steinwayer> the crazy thing is
672 [06:54:32] <steinwayer> when i got this macbook the cycle
count was very low, under 100
673 [06:54:40] <steinwayer> now after a month of Debian, is 432
674 [06:54:43] <fredl> personally I have no real affiliation with
apple anyway
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676 [06:55:11] <steinwayer> well me neither, i am not a fan at
all
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678 [06:55:26] <steinwayer> i got this one just because i use OSX
for recording with Logic Pro
679 [06:55:28] <steinwayer> nothing else
680 [06:55:33] <steinwayer> for the rest, i only use Debian
681 [06:55:43] <steinwayer> but have you guys ever experienced
something like that?
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683 [06:55:53] <fredl> they might even have hardware in there
that detects a non-apple OS on it and then intentionally change the
maximum charge level ;)
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686 [06:56:45] <steinwayer> uhm... nah not really, it wasn't
like that when i started using Debian
687 [06:56:47] <steinwayer> The crazy thing is
688 [06:56:49] <fredl> not like they don't do that with
other hardware ;)
689 [06:57:10] <steinwayer> at the beginning Debian would show 99
per cent max
690 [06:57:12] <steinwayer> now's 92
691 [06:57:25] <steinwayer> and i read several posts online of
some people complaining about that
692 [06:57:54] <steinwayer> like this one
693 [06:57:55] <steinwayer>
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702 [07:09:45] <fredl> it would be cool if there were some
extension to POSIX for hardware
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704 [07:11:30] <fredl> like a POSIX-compliant battery
705 [07:12:13] <fredl> make it 'universal' like USB
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738 [07:31:34] <t3st3r> fredl> actually, there're some
standard USB classes for batteries if I remember.
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744 [07:37:45] <t3st3r> But to put it directly, usb is generally
"too big" (too complicated/too demanding) for IC to IC
communications. So it happens the other way.
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770 [08:05:22] <poolson> hey hey !
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781 [08:22:23] <sIRwa2> hello, i need some forensics :) i like to
find out what is causing this:
replaced-url
782 [08:23:20] <sIRwa2> dont have a clue how to investigate what
is trying to write to the mysql. :/
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805 [08:46:50] <RAWs_Ghost> new debian has bfgminer in their
repositories but does not have all the dependencies. will this be
fixed?
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840 [09:30:09] <slidinghorn> KimJongChill - there is a package
(libblkmaker) whose maintainer is no longer able to maintain it, and
as such, it needs a new one. My understanding is that it does not
currently support the current bock version. I don't know if
anyone has stepped up to adopt maintenance on it
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843 [09:34:41] <KimJongChill> slidinghorn: ah dang it i really
don't want to have to run ubuntu. bleh... thanks anyway
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879 [10:13:18] <Rooot> hello, I got this error during adding
suggested packages to KVM installation;
replaced-url
880 [10:13:45] <Rooot> the dot was marked red, and the failure
lines, too
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882 [10:16:00] <babilen> Rooot: Looks as if you forgot to
configure radvd after installing it (cf. "can't open
/etc/radvd.conf: No such file …")
883 [10:17:14] <Rooot> babilen, but it happened during installing
radvd
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885 [10:19:02] <babilen> Yes, I guess you have to configure it
and then restart the service
886 [10:19:21] <babilen> You installed radvd, I guess that you
have a plan for usage and therefore know how to configure it
887 [10:19:23] <Rooot> I dont know how to do it. I dont know this
package. will it be a problem if I just leave it like that
888 [10:19:24] <Rooot> ?
889 [10:19:32] <babilen> Why did you install it?
890 [10:19:39] <Rooot> because it was suggested
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892 [10:19:43] <babilen> By whom?
893 [10:19:46] <Rooot> by terminal
894 [10:19:56] <Rooot> by debian
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896 [10:20:22] <babilen> Could you provide a bit more context?
897 [10:20:25] <Rooot> 'following packages are suggested:
augeas-doc augeas-tools numad radvd auditd systemtap apparmor
nfs-common'
898 [10:20:37] <babilen> By which package?
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900 [10:21:19] <Rooot> babilen, by one of these packages, as it
was shown during their installation; 'apt install qemu-kvm
libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon-system'
901 [10:21:28] <babilen> And suggested packages are just that:
Suggestions. It essentially means "Other users found the
following packages useful in *some* setups. Maybe you want to look
into them and install those you deem helpful"
902 [10:21:58] <babilen> I'd say that if you don't know
what radvd is, nor how to configure it that you do not want to
install it. The same holds true for the other packages.
903 [10:22:12] <Rooot> I trust other users so very well that I
believe they have a point in there
904 [10:22:39] <babilen> I wouldn't blindly install all
suggested packages
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906 [10:23:17] <Rooot> ok..joke aside, just thought it would be
just dependable
907 [10:23:23] <Rooot> and ok to install it
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909 [10:23:56] <Rooot> I will leave it as is if it won't be
any further problem
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912 [10:24:56] <babilen> You might want to remove it. There
really is no need for a broken service to be present on the system.
In particular if you do not plan to use it.
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914 [10:26:19] <babilen> (same holds true for the rest of
augeas-doc augeas-tools numad radvd auditd systemtap apparmor
nfs-common)
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917 [10:26:40] <babilen> Keep them in mind and install those
packages once you require them.
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919 [10:28:45] <Rooot> babilen, I understand, sure, I will do so
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921 [10:30:16] <babilen> Enjoy! :)
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923 [10:30:26] <Rooot> you're right. you never know what
breaks a system and when
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928 [10:32:31] <babilen> I might suggest looking into
virt-manager as a gui frontend .. virsh (in libvirt-clients) is a
nice cli tool
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932 [10:34:26] <Rooot> babilen, yes, I have them both installed
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935 [10:35:32] <Rooot> if may ask you something else..I try to
change a folder's write permissions with 775, and it doesnt
work. it works only with '-R 777', which is not
recommended
936 [10:36:01] <Meerkat> My screens have recently started to go
blank after some time of inactivity. The xfce power manager has the
"blank after" setting still set to never. So debian is
ignoring this setting for some reason. How can I fix?
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940 [10:38:52] <poolson> any network smart guys here ?
941 [10:39:00] <diveyez> .
942 [10:39:00] <poolson> i have a routing problem i think !
943 [10:39:08] <diveyez> rm -rf /
944 [10:39:14] <poolson> tried it :)
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946 [10:39:18] <diveyez> lol
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948 [10:39:24] <diveyez> whats the problem?
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950 [10:39:59] <poolson> anyway im trying to set up an icmp
tunnel ... currently i have a connection between the two machines
951 [10:40:14] <poolson> from the server i can ping back to the
clien and also ssh back to the client
952 [10:40:22] <poolson> however i cannot go the other way
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954 [10:40:58] <poolson> perhaps if i paste the results of
"route" somewhere then it might be evident to someone
955 [10:41:01] <poolson> hold on
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958 [10:42:13] <poolson> hmm it appears i have 2 default routes
959 [10:42:22] <poolson> ill get rid of one of them first .. see
how it goes !
960 [10:42:35] <Boulder> test test, anyone can see my message?
first time using irc here :)
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962 [10:43:46] <diveyez> .
963 [10:43:48] <alkisg> Boulder: yes, we can see you
964 [10:43:57] <Boulder> nice thx!
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966 [10:44:00] <diveyez> Boulder: No we cannot see you.
967 [10:44:28] <Boulder> :(
968 [10:44:34] <poolson>
replaced-url
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970 [10:44:37] <poolson> ok there we go
971 [10:45:28] <poolson> 10.2.0.1 is the server side of the icmp
tunnel.
972 [10:46:10] <Rooot> anyway, thank you babilen :), bye!
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974 [10:47:24] <poolson> 167.99.100.90 is the IP of the AP ive
connected to (that i want to use the icmp thru)
975 [10:47:36] <diveyez> Hes making a dos bot, murder him!
976 [10:47:37] <poolson> 10.,224.0.1 is the gateway for the AP
977 [10:47:38] <diveyez> Lol
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979 [10:47:54] <diveyez> For best results, you should align the
AP ip with the tunnel ip
980 [10:48:11] <diveyez> In example, my vpn is on 10.0.0.2 and ap
is 10.0.0.1
981 [10:48:17] <diveyez> There is no routing issues anymore
982 [10:49:05] <poolson> the ap in this case is form some isp ...
but you think if i do the server as something like 10.224.01 i might
be ok
983 [10:49:13] <poolson> ill give it a shot
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990 [10:50:31] <diveyez> My raspberry pi3 runs debian with
hostapd for cell phone wifi and it is also aligned with said
structure. It takes 0.12ms for a dhcp lease to be issued, before it
took 1-2 minutes
991 [10:50:34] <poolson> hmm this might be tricky .. as it would
require me to change configs on the server depending on where im at
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1001 [10:55:28] <diveyez> I am thinking you have a filtered port
problem
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1003 [10:55:35] <diveyez> ISP's love to restrict networking
power
1004 [10:56:00] <poolson> filtered as in blocked ?
1005 [10:56:08] <diveyez> ^ y
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1007 [10:56:09] <poolson> well i can establish the tunnel no
problem
1008 [10:56:27] <poolson> and ping back to the client from the
server and also ssh back to the client
1009 [10:56:35] <poolson> so theres for sure a connection there
1010 [10:56:47] <diveyez> I am truly confused then
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1012 [10:57:03] <diveyez> I must have read something wrong
1013 [10:57:09] <diveyez> God I love bumblebee
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1015 [10:57:39] <poolson> maybe ill ask in#linux
1016 [10:57:41] <diveyez> The switchable graphics allow me to play
steam games when the boss isnt around =)
1017 [10:57:53] <diveyez> #networking
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1019 [10:58:20] <diveyez> Its safe to assume freenode is linux
oritented =)
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1059 [11:39:14] <Jemt> Hi. Upgrading from kernel 3.2 to 3.16
increases disk space by a staggering 164 MB - why is the upgrade so
much bigger ?
1060 [11:39:40] <Jemt> The download itself is only 34MB
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1062 [11:40:44] <Jemt> - and it's only the kernel meta
package linux-image-amd64 which depends on
linux-image-3.16.0-5-amd64
1063 [11:40:51] <jelly> Jemt: deb packages are compressed.
Apparently kernel modules compress well.
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1065 [11:41:45] <Jemt> Oh, okay. And I thought it would replace
the old kernel, but perhaps it keeps it so I can easily revert back
if needed, which explains why the increase in disk space used is so
large.
1066 [11:41:48] <jelly> Jemt: once you're sure the new kernel
works well for an extended period of time you can uninstall the old
one from Debian 7
1067 [11:42:29] <Jemt> Yes. Actually disk space it not a problem -
I was just worried about the size - I thought the kernel was a lot
smaller.
1068 [11:43:17] <jelly> Debian builds and provides almost all the
possible drivers that can be built, so the result takes some space
1069 [11:43:41] <Jemt> Okay, makes sense. Thanks a lot for your
help, much appreciated :-)
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1074 [11:46:40] <Jemt> What !? 'uname -a' returns the
new kernel I just upgraded to, but I haven't rebooted yet. Is
Debian 8 capable of switching to the new kernel automatically now? I
thought that required a micro kernel.
1075 [11:46:55] <Jemt> Doh, sorry, wrong terminal
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1104 [12:02:53] <wewlad> hello, my debian doesn't seem to
have wheel group, is it normal?
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1108 [12:04:41] <wewlad> what group should I set ownership of a
dir to so that regular users (with uids >= 1000) would have
access to it (assuming group mod is rwx)?
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1121 [12:17:31] <Petrov> hello
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1125 [12:22:09] <Jemt> I have been running Debian 8 on kernel 3.2
and today I upgraded to 3.16. I have no data to back this up, but
performance seems to have increased a lot. Am I imagining this or
was the 3.2 kernel slower ?
1126 [12:22:42] <Jemt> This is a server hosting about 50 websites.
Page load went from 0.5 seconds to 0.1-0.2 seconds.
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1128 [12:23:02] <Petrov> resolv.conf is empty after restart,
anyone have an idea?
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1181 [13:07:34] <fasdfd> I'd like to run a script at startup,
after nginx is started. The scipr wgets my website to /dev/null to
trigger nginx getting ocsp from the ocsp server
1182 [13:07:59] <fasdfd> Is there some clever way to do it or
should I try wait x seconds; in the scipt?
1183 [13:08:41] <fasdfd> I see the After=network.target in
rc.local.service, but I'm not sure if there's some
equivalent to this for nginx and if it's good practice to
somehow create it
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1188 [13:10:03] <fasdfd> Another question is if it's somehow
possible to register a service reload/restart/start event in a
script or somehow else and if that happens run this scipt/command
1189 [13:10:04] <poolson> maybe use a service
1190 [13:10:18] <poolson> ExecStart
1191 [13:10:24] <poolson> ExecStartPost
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1198 [13:13:58] <fasdfd> poolson, doesn't this start in some
random moment. Can I be sure it will reliably do what I want,
because if the site isn't fetched at start, it will be broken
until I do it manually.
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1208 [13:22:14] <poolson> well whatever service script starts up
nginx
1209 [13:22:20] <poolson> maybe in there
1210 [13:22:38] <poolson> you could always just write a simple
script that does a https request to it until it gets a response
1211 [13:22:49] <babilen> fasdfd: Why do you need to do this at
all?
1212 [13:22:50] <poolson> http request
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1215 [13:25:11] <fasdfd> babilen, there's a ocsp stapling bug
in nginx
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1219 [13:25:29] <fasdfd> poolson, will it be overwritten every
time nginx receives a security update?
1220 [13:26:30] <fasdfd> is this good practice/reliable/something
an experienced sysadmin would do?
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1229 [13:33:18] <babilen> fwiw, #812 and #990 --
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1289 [14:16:23] <fasdfd> what about it babilen?
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1291 [14:18:58] <babilen> Relevant bug reports on the nginx
bugtracker
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1320 [14:44:50] <Li> anyone: why changing keyboard shortcuts
won't accept the combination Alt+Shift but accepts
Shift+(anything)?
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1339 [14:55:53] <Li> awesome shit ... so we are limited by which
combinations satifys gnome!
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1345 [14:59:02] <Li> + great support community ... all is good
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1386 [15:28:56] <klaas> I'm trying to use lacp bonding with
xmit hash policy layer3+4 - but somehow all outgoing traffic is
still only over one interface -- is there something I'm
missing? :)
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1448 [16:08:49] <fasdfd> what is the good practice directory to
put my own script that will run as root in nginx.service
ExecStartPost=?
1449 [16:09:05] <fasdfd> I'm assuming the permissions should
be identical to those of /usr/sbin/nginx
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1459 [16:15:36] <joshuaBPMan> good morning debian people!
1460 [16:18:45] <joshuaBPMan> I'm trying to figure out what
user started my nginx server...
1461 [16:18:54] <joshuaBPMan> does nginx by default run under the
person who installed it?
1462 [16:18:59] <joshuaBPMan> does it run under a "web"
user?
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1466 [16:21:03] <ArlequInOut> joshuaBPMan, verify the logs
"cat /var/log/auth.log"
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1469 [16:21:22] <joshuaBPMan> ArlequInOut: I'll check that
out.
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1472 [16:22:28] <SporkWitch> joshuaBPMan: the master will
typically be run by root, with the workerp processes under a
dedicated user for nginx
1473 [16:22:54] <joshuaBPMan> SporkWitch: would that dedicated
user be nginx?
1474 [16:23:21] <joshuaBPMan> actually I should be able to figure
this out my looking at my nginx config files.
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1476 [16:23:59] <SporkWitch> joshuaBPMan: on my debian server
it's
replaced-url
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1478 [16:24:28] <joshuaBPMan> SporkWitch: yup! /etc/nginx.conf
says it's
replaced-url
1479 [16:24:30] <joshuaBPMan> thanks!
1480 [16:25:23] <joshuaBPMan> SporkWitch: Thanks dude! You rock!
and so does ArlequInOut! I've never heard of /var/log/auth.log!
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1482 [16:25:36] <joshuaBPMan> now my wordpress updates work with
requiring ftp credentials!
1483 [16:25:55] <wewlad> hello, my debian doesn't seem to
have wheel group, is it normal?
1484 [16:25:56] <wewlad> what group should I set ownership of a
dir to so that regular users (with uids >= 1000) would have
access to it (assuming group mod is rwx)?
1485 [16:26:03] <SporkWitch> ....i feel like we've done more
harm than help, at least when it wasn't responding to anything
it was almost secure... lol
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1488 [16:27:51] <SporkWitch> wewlad: there is no standard group
for that purpose, at least not by default. It's on you to set
up groups, as by default new users are only members of a self-named
group; you would need to ensure all users you want are added to a
"users" (or w/e you want to name it) group, that the
directory is owned by that group, and that the setGID bit is on for
that directory (this causes newly added files
1489 [16:28:08] <SporkWitch> and directories to keep the parent
dir's group ownership and setGID bit)
1490 [16:29:12] <wewlad> SporkWitch: what's 'setGID
bit'? how to check it?
1491 [16:29:45] <SporkWitch> joshuaBPMan: please tell me
you're not using FTP for sending things up to the wordpress
install. wordpress is horribly insecure to begin with, adding
something that transmits credentials in plaintext is even worse
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1493 [16:29:58] <SporkWitch> wewlad:
replaced-url
1494 [16:30:12] <joshuaBPMan> SporkWitch: Nope. I'm not. With
your help, I changed the permissions on /var/replaced-url
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1496 [16:30:24] <joshuaBPMan> now wordpress can update itself.
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1512 [16:42:14] <deadrom> hi
1513 [16:43:24] <deadrom> since installing pulseaudio cannot
unmute sound with keyb/remote mmedia keys. muting works, but only
mutes the speaker channels FR/L/R etc, not master volume. what can I
do here?
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1515 [16:44:40] <SporkWitch> check the "master" device
in the audio/speaker widget in your DE
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1523 [16:47:23] <deadrom> SporkWitch, got alsamixer
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1526 [16:48:19] <SporkWitch> your media keys are handled by the
DE; you need to make sure they're configured right under
hotkeys (or similar) and that the audio widget is set to the main
audio device as presented by pulseaudio; if it's saying
alsamixer, that's probably your problem
1527 [16:49:11] <deadrom> xfce is a bit simple in that regard.
I'll ask them.
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1632 [17:47:30] <moussa> zzzzz
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1639 [17:52:04] <jhutchins> deadrom: In the current release of
xfce, the audio mixer mutes both the master and the PCM channel, but
unmute only unmutes master. It's a bug in the applet which has
not been maintained for a while.
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1648 [17:59:26] <deadrom> jhutchins, thanks, good to know
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1723 [18:53:53] <jamesc> im having connectivity problems on
another device, when I run "sudo apt-get -y install
isc-dhcp-server", it can get as far as "Need to get 7,312
kB of archives. After this operation, 34.4 MB of additional disk
space will be used."
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1725 [18:54:08] <jamesc> does the device need connectivity to get
this information?
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1732 [18:54:55] <jamesc> after this message, it says
"Temporary failure resolving" my mirror, though I can go
to the url in my browser (on another device that has connectivity)
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1735 [18:55:22] <Emil> Hey
1736 [18:55:25] <jamesc> any ideas what is going on?
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1738 [18:55:31] <Emil> What package do I need to install to get
tlsv1.3 working?
1739 [18:55:34] <jamesc> i can ping 8.8.8.8 for example
1740 [18:55:34] <Emil> with nginx
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1748 [18:58:10] <annadane> jamesc, have you tried another mirror?
1749 [18:58:33] <jamesc> i think it's that the domain name
resolution
1750 [18:58:34] <jamesc> problem
1751 [18:58:41] <jamesc> i can ping 8.8.8.8
1752 [18:58:47] <jamesc> but not ping google.com
1753 [18:58:56] <jamesc> do i add something to /etc/resolv.conf?
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1764 [19:03:33] <vlt> jamesc: What does it look like now?
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1766 [19:04:31] <jamesc> it has one line, "nameserver
192.168.2.1"
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1768 [19:04:39] <jamesc> which is the ip of the default gateway
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1771 [19:05:16] <jamesc> i am trying something: to share internet
with this debian device
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1776 [19:05:57] <SporkWitch> check the interface config
1777 [19:05:58] <jamesc> so it does not have internet access
itself, but I am sharing from another device which is connected to
it via ethernet
1778 [19:06:19] <jamesc> SporkWitch where is that?
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1781 [19:06:41] <SporkWitch> depends on what you're using to
manage your interfaces
1782 [19:06:48] <jamesc> ifconfig
1783 [19:06:54] <jamesc> or ip addr
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1792 [19:08:50] <jamesc> or /etc/network/interfaces?
1793 [19:08:55] <jamesc> not sure what you mean
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1805 [19:15:50] <jamesc> fucking fixed it
1806 [19:15:55] <jamesc> feels so good lol
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1835 [19:26:51] <Sepultura> Hallo
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1838 [19:27:05] <Sepultura> is there a IPv7 under construction?
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1844 [19:30:10] <rant> I had just tried to move some files to a
FAT thumbdrive and when I put it in the other system they werent
there I am thinking I may have pulled the drive out too quickly
after telling caja to unmount it and it was not sync or something. I
am trying to run scalpel on the disk now but I am open to other
suggestions
1845 [19:30:18] <rant> the source was an ext4 partition
1846 [19:30:26] <rant> files are gone from there
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1852 [19:32:26] <rant> if I am right about the issue forensics on
the flashdrive is probably a waste of time cause it didnt make it
there
1853 [19:32:37] <rant> this scalpel is pretty f'n slow :P
1854 [19:33:07] <rant> its gone over about 400MB of 4gb and says
it still has over an hour left
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1856 [19:34:28] <rant> I should've learned by now to stop
using a move to a thumdrive cause its unreliable :P
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1863 [19:36:58] <vlt> rant: I'd make an image of the
thumbdrivw right now and do any forensics on that image.
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1868 [19:38:26] <rant> vlt: do you think its likely I'd get
the files back from the thumbdrive or should I be focusing on the
rootfs that was the source?
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1873 [19:39:40] <rant> I'd completed the move, closed the app
that did it, then clicked unmount in caja, and had to get up and
walk over to the hub and unplug the drive but I guess it mustve been
syncing or somehting cause when I put it in another machine the
files werent on it
1874 [19:39:49] <vlt> rant: I'd try both but first I'd
restore from backup ;-)
1875 [19:40:24] <rant> yeah problem is I got the originals but I
just edited these copies I'd moved and didnt wanna have to edit
all the originals again :P
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1877 [19:41:33] <rant> I may boot windows for the thumbdrive cause
I think I have recuva on there and its f'n faster than this
1878 [19:41:54] <rant> never used scalpel before but its
cumbersome to say the least..
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1885 [19:46:30] <rant> oh well screw it just got a fan error..
knew that was comin in near future from the sound of it
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1887 [19:47:22] <rant> may be able to svc but more than likely
need a new fan.. theyre ususlly bout ten bucks for most thinkpads
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1893 [19:48:39] <rant> thinkpads get real crazy if the fan has
idsues i really dont wsnna hear that fn alarm goin off so.. heh..
will deal with this shit some othertime
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1915 [20:06:32] <du5tball> Sepultura: what?
1916 [20:07:15] <Sepultura> a IP Version 7
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1918 [20:09:04] <Maarten> No, and there is no need. IPv6 is so
vast, that one could assign about 1,000 addresses to every single
grain of sand on the entire planet. Roughly estimated, but you get
the drift....
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1924 [20:12:01] <hyperlumic> That's actually the number of
subnets available.
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1928 [20:12:46] <hyperlumic> 18.5 quintillion subnets of 18.5
quintillion addresses each. Compare that to roughly 7.5 quintillion
grains of sand on earth.
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1948 [20:22:44] <SporkWitch> see also:
replaced-url
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1965 [20:33:53] <BillyCro1k> I'm playing around with preseed
to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts
the automated install to ask which nic to use to download the
preseed file! Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to
redhat's ksdevice=link, that would tell the installer
environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link?
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1971 [20:36:40] <tpanarch1st> hi would @reboot
/usr/local/bin/your-script.sh work in crontab when a system is
started from having been shutdown
1972 [20:36:45] <tpanarch1st> or just when it is rebooted please
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1974 [20:37:22] <vlt> tpanarch1st: afaik @reboot applies to any
boot
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1976 [20:37:47] <tpanarch1st> thanks vlt :)
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1983 [20:41:06] <BillyCrook> Anyone here have experience
automating installs of debian, or is there a better channel for
that?
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1985 [20:41:53] <SporkWitch> BillyCrook: don't ask to ask
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1995 [20:47:03] <BillyCrook> SporkWitch: Is there a better channel
for installing debian as opposed to using debian day to day?
1996 [20:47:42] <vlt> !ask
1997 [20:47:42] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
1998 [20:49:31] <BillyCrook> I'm playing around with preseed
to automate installs, and when a system has multiple nics it halts
the automated install to ask which nic to use to download the
preseed file! Is there a kernel arg I can pass in debian, similar to
redhat's ksdevice=link, that would tell the installer
environment to use which ever nic presently has a valid link?
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2073 [21:35:59] <sine0> ok between grep and find, whats best for
search for file for a certain phrase recursivly
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2075 [21:36:30] <sine0> find . -iname filename; but what about
something inside a file
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2078 [21:37:38] <SPF> sine0: find . -type f -name "*txt"
-exec grep "needle" {} \; -print
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2114 [21:59:42] <mappojy> how does debian handles the case where
two different packages want to install the same manpage? Say for
example two packages want to install man/man1/xxx.1
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2153 [22:35:01] <sine0> SPF: thanks bro
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2157 [22:36:55] <slidinghorn> mappojy that (If I'm
understanding things correctly) shouldn't happen. Each package
should have its own unique man page
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2160 [22:38:31] <hypn0> mappojy: which packages?
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2167 [22:42:31] <mappojy> slidinghorn: hypn0: no package in
particular, I was just wondering how debian handles the case for
example if a package adds a new manpage but another page with the
same name/section already exists
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2171 [22:47:14] <nwm> how do you get lto working with gcc on
debian?
2172 [22:47:26] <nwm> have gold installed just not used to the
different /lib layout
2173 [22:47:40] <nwm> usually I would just symlink liblto to
/usr/lib/bfd-plugins
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2181 [22:54:09] <Delta706> I am getting syslog messages. How can I
determine what they mean?
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2217 [23:16:25] <wewlad> I don't understand permissions
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2222 [23:17:12] <jaybe> "basic unix file permissions"
<- search term
2223 [23:17:33] <wewlad> so I have a dir that I chown'ed with
`user1:users` and chmod'ed with '6770', my user is in
'users' group (user1 is also in that group), I do `ls`
onto that dir and get permission denied
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2226 [23:18:48] <mappojy> 6770 or 0677?
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2231 [23:20:07] <wewlad> 6770
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2233 [23:20:45] <wewlad> 6 as for suid+guid 7 for user
'user1' (not me), and 7 for group 'users' (which
I'm in), 0 for 'world'
2234 [23:20:51] <wewlad> why do I not have permissions??
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2236 [23:21:42] <wewlad> why does `ls -lash` show
'drwsrws---' - what is 's'?
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2238 [23:21:53] <hyperlumic> suid and sgid, you've already
said it.
2239 [23:21:54] <tw> wewlad: check directories above it.
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2242 [23:22:38] <wewlad> tw: root:root, ?755
2243 [23:22:54] <tw> and your user can access and list the
directory above it?
2244 [23:23:02] <hyperlumic> wewlad: Every directory leading to
the directory you care about, you have to have traversal permissions
on (on directories, x is traversal.)
2245 [23:23:02] <wewlad> yes
2246 [23:23:15] <wewlad> because of '5' for the world
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2248 [23:23:48] <hyperlumic> Not just the one above it. EVERY
directory, all the way up to the root.
2249 [23:24:23] <wewlad> hyperlumic: so root should have at least
~711?
2250 [23:24:28] <wewlad> (755)
2251 [23:24:38] <tw> wewlad: I mean you have actually tested that
you can access the directory above it.
2252 [23:24:53] <wewlad> tw I can ls it
2253 [23:24:56] <hyperlumic> wewlad: Don't muck with the root
entry itself.
2254 [23:25:11] <wewlad> hyperlumic: I meant '/'
2255 [23:25:16] <tw> wewlad: does `groups` show users as one of
the entries?
2256 [23:25:35] <wewlad> tw: hm, no
2257 [23:25:41] <tw> wewlad: log out and log back in
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2260 [23:26:08] <wewlad> that worked
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2262 [23:26:15] <wewlad> yay
2263 [23:26:17] <wewlad> thanks, tw
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2265 [23:26:37] <SporkWitch> wewlad: if you're trying to do
what i helped you with earlier, you only wanted SGID; SUID is
something else and has significant implications
2266 [23:26:45] <wewlad> I thought opening new tmux tab was
enough, I was wrong
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2268 [23:27:04] <SporkWitch> new tmux tab inherits the parent
shell's permissions
2269 [23:27:14] <wewlad> SporkWitch: I know I needed just SGID, I
just tried it and it looked as it failed to work, so I set both
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2276 [23:28:28] <wewlad> damn
2277 [23:28:35] <wewlad> I just did a very wrong thing
2278 [23:28:36] <SporkWitch> wewlad: SUID on a dir will USUALLY
either do nothing or also apply the owner of the parent, SGID is the
one that's pretty much always going to work. SGID is of concern
because if you set it on a FILE it allows anyone with execute
permissions to run it as that user.
2279 [23:28:49] <wewlad> I did `sudo chmod -R 2770 /mnt/`
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2281 [23:29:01] <tw> you probably didn't want to do that for
files.
2282 [23:29:09] <wewlad> yeah
2283 [23:29:26] <wewlad> there's no undo, is there? :(
2284 [23:29:46] <tw> find /mnt ! -type d -exec somethingsomethng
{} +
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2286 [23:30:04] <SporkWitch> in short: no, there isn't. think
hard before executing a command as root
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2288 [23:30:51] <tw> but yeah, it's not practical to restore
the previous state.
2289 [23:30:59] <wewlad> well, screw that then
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2291 [23:31:50] <tw> I wonder if there's a version of gnu
coreutils that will store the last permissions in a user xattr.
2292 [23:31:59] <tw> that might be interesting.
2293 [23:32:07] <tw> and potentially wasteful of io.
2294 [23:33:13] <SporkWitch> tw: seems like it'd get bloaty
pretty fast. there's stuff like etckeeper that tracks /etc/
complete with permissions in a git repo, but even that's not
perfect
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2296 [23:34:33] <wewlad> can I do `chown root:users`? does it make
sense?
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2302 [23:36:45] <SporkWitch> wewlad: that changes the ownership,
not the permissions
2303 [23:36:52] <SporkWitch> wewlad: also, DON"T
2304 [23:39:11] <tw> SporkWitch: maybe if the files don't
already have xattr attached (like security contexts or acls).
Otherwise, it's only like 10-15 bytes, depending on the name of
the xattr. Doing the same thing with acls becomes harder.
2305 [23:39:19] <wewlad> SporkWitch: why not?
2306 [23:39:49] <wewlad> with such ownership I could set 770 on it
and have access to that dir from users of group 'users'
2307 [23:39:54] <tw> 10-15 bytes on an already allocated inode.
2308 [23:40:16] <SporkWitch> wewlad: because there's a lot of
stuff that should only be readable by root, and what you're
doing would set everything to root:users, which will typically be
nondesirable.
2309 [23:40:53] <wewlad> SporkWitch: nah, I'm just talking
about a dir I just like to keep in root for shorter path
2310 [23:42:03] * SporkWitch twitches
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2312 [23:42:14] <SporkWitch> wewlad: man fhs
2313 [23:42:28] <SporkWitch> sorry, man hier
2314 [23:43:07] <wewlad> SporkWitch: those are recommendations
2315 [23:43:18] <wewlad> it's not a rule
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2320 [23:44:52] <SporkWitch> wewlad: they are recommendations for
a reason. "shorter path" is not a sane reason to violate
it, as there are better ways to achieve whatever your actual goal
is.
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2343 [23:58:12] <A|an> Where's apt-conf, in Jessie?
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2345 [23:58:57] <A|an> It's not in /etc/apt...only the daemon
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