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2[00:00:55] <vlad__> welp no sound for me I guess
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9[00:04:13] <petn-randall> meoblast001: Then make a backup and purge the package instead of responding to my info requests. If I'm wrong, I'd be glad to find out.
10[00:04:36] <petn-randall> s/responding/ignoring/
11[00:04:56] <meoblast001> hm yup. put a backup in my AWS and tried it and you seem to be right
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13[00:05:57] <petn-randall> meoblast001: It's not the only thing that Ubuntu has changed, we lost track of it a long time ago. So what is the output of 'pg_lsclusters'?
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17[00:07:28] <meoblast001> petn-randall: well after reinstalling 9.4 i get 8.4, 9.1, and 9.4
18[00:07:56] <meoblast001> wait.. this is strange...
19[00:08:00] <petn-randall> meoblast001: Can you show me the output please?
20[00:08:44] <meoblast001> one moment. i have to figure out why that directory supposedly containing the databases was gone but my databases are still there
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23[00:09:34] <meoblast001> petn-randall: replaced-url
24[00:10:18] <sm00th> vlad__, you sure its in the right speaker hole man?
25[00:10:24] <sm00th> your speakers work? makes no sense.
26[00:10:35] <sm00th> reboot?
27[00:10:53] <sm00th> do headphoens work?
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29[00:11:19] <petn-randall> meoblast001: Ok, so all 3 clusters are online. What issue are you seeing?
30[00:11:24] <sm00th> vlad__, try asking for help in #alsa
31[00:11:51] <meoblast001> the issue i'm seeing is that after purging, the directory which i thought had the databases was gone..... i reinstalled though and all of my applications connect to the databases and all of the data is still there
32[00:13:09] <petn-randall> meoblast001: Which cluster did you purge?
33[00:13:18] <meoblast001> 9.4
34[00:13:37] <petn-randall> meoblast001: When you purge, is /var/lib/postgresql/9.4/main empty?
35[00:14:01] <meoblast001> so i'm back to point A.. so my databases are still there which is good... the socket being created is totally wrong though, which forces me to manually restart postgresql or all of my applications are dead
36[00:14:25] <meoblast001> petn-randall: after purge, /var/lib/postgresql/9.4/ did not exist
37[00:14:43] <petn-randall> meoblast001: Are you sure your applications are connecting to the right cluster then?
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40[00:15:19] <meoblast001> fairly certain.. all it takes is a manual call to `sudo systemctl restart postgresql` and then everything works
41[00:15:37] <petn-randall> meoblast001: Note that by default all your applications are connecting to the 8.4/main cluster, unless you specify a different port/socket.
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45[00:16:26] <petn-randall> meoblast001: Do you have a database mirror set up maybe?
46[00:17:08] <meoblast001> a database mirror? not sure.. i assume the answer is therefore no
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51[00:18:45] <meoblast001> a rails application is giving me the following: PG::ConnectionBad (could not connect to server: No such file or directory Is the server running locally and accepting connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"?)
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54[00:19:22] <meoblast001> the error message is true, in that directory there only exists 9.4-main.pid and 9.4-main.pg_stat_tmp/
55[00:19:30] <petn-randall> meoblast001: That is your 8.4 cluster. Notice the socket name ending in 5432, which is the port for your 8.4/main cluster.
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58[00:20:06] <meoblast001> and how do i tell every application to use the other cluster?
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61[00:20:42] <meoblast001> and how do you know it's 8.4 simply because it ends in 5432? does 9.4 no longer use this port by default?
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64[00:21:07] <petn-randall> You have to check your application config. But usually you pass a DSN string somewhere, and then just make sure to set the port to the right one.
65[00:21:15] <d4rklit3> if im using a docker container thats on debian, the container doesn't come with any ssh identity (afaik) so i add it directly to /root/.ssh/id_rsa .. is there some special way to configure this? Currently when i try to scp with this config it asks for a passphrase which it shouldn't since i didn't set one
66[00:21:30] <petn-randall> meoblast001: How are they supposed to run in parallel if they both bind to the same port?
67[00:21:37] <d4rklit3> this is for bitbucket-pipelines.. this is the config: replaced-url
68[00:21:58] <d4rklit3> this works fine from my mac terminal using the -i flag on ssh/scp
69[00:22:07] <meoblast001> petn-randall: oh okay. i just didn't know how 5432 says anything about 8.4.. couldn't it be possible that 9.4 is running on that port?
70[00:22:39] <petn-randall> meoblast001: Look at your output of 'pg_lsclusters'.
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74[00:23:52] <Oldcpv3> hey yo
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76[00:24:15] <Oldcpv3> replaced-url
77[00:24:47] <Oldcpv3> oops, sorry there...
78[00:24:49] <Oldcpv3> wrong channel
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84[00:28:00] <d4rklit3> hello?
85[00:28:18] <Oldcpv3> d4rklit3: hi, replaced-url
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87[00:28:18] <d4rklit3> anyone know why debian is forcing passphrase for scp, ssh, ssh-add etc...
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89[00:28:22] <Oldcpv3> no?
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94[00:31:26] <meoblast001> petn-randall: okay it seems the 8.4 one is the working one
95[00:31:37] <meoblast001> by that i mean the one where all of my databases are
96[00:31:52] <meoblast001> which means the solution will be to get rid of all the other clusters which i'm not using at all
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100[00:34:38] <vook> d4rklit3: it'll force passphrase when you have an identityfile defined in ~/.ssh/config
101[00:34:56] <d4rklit3> config doesn't define an identity file though
102[00:35:04] <vook> does it define anything?
103[00:35:08] <d4rklit3> yeah
104[00:35:17] <d4rklit3> some settings
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107[00:35:46] <vook> it's the way the key was made
108[00:35:58] <d4rklit3> i use the same key on my mac and it doesn't ask
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110[00:36:12] <vook> do you have a line that says ENCRYPTED near the top of id_rsa?
111[00:36:19] <d4rklit3> nope
112[00:36:27] <d4rklit3> ----BEGIN PRIVATE KEY----
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114[00:36:39] <d4rklit3> rather RSA PRIVATE KEY
115[00:36:52] <d4rklit3> i generated it same way as i do my git ssh keys
116[00:37:09] <L1nuxg33k> Hello everyone
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119[00:37:34] <L1nuxg33k> I am having printing issues with cups, or perhaps cups its self
120[00:37:51] <Oldcpv3> i got your solution
121[00:37:52] <vook> well, I'm guessing that if you temporarily cleared out ~/.ssh, you'd no longer see ssh asking for a pass-phrase
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123[00:37:54] <Oldcpv3> go to starbucks
124[00:37:57] <Oldcpv3> and get a cup
125[00:37:59] <Oldcpv3> done.
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127[00:38:16] <d4rklit3> vook, so this is a docker image... as soon as it starts /root/.ssh doesn't even exist
128[00:38:37] <d4rklit3> and it runs as root...
129[00:39:32] <L1nuxg33k> ok i will try that
130[00:40:09] <d4rklit3> vook this is the last thing i tried in the yml config replaced-url
131[00:40:47] <d4rklit3> i even make sure to start the ssh-agent, thing is.. i think i need to do ssh-add but it wont let me do it non-interactively and asks for a passphrase
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133[00:41:43] <vook> where is ~ ? It may not be /root.
134[00:41:48] <d4rklit3> it is
135[00:42:14] <d4rklit3> + ssh-add ~/.ssh/deploy_rsa
136[00:42:14] <d4rklit3> Enter passphrase for /root/.ssh/deploy_rsa:
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139[00:42:39] <vook> so `
140[00:42:40] <d4rklit3> it has no password :(
141[00:42:46] <vook> so /root/.ssh doesn't exist?
142[00:42:56] <d4rklit3> not at startup, i have to create it
143[00:43:13] <d4rklit3> i can only assume thats where it belongs on debian
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146[00:43:27] <d4rklit3> what is the default ssh config
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148[00:43:37] <meoblast001> petn-randall: so purge removes databases it appears.. does remove do this?
149[00:43:39] <vook> default for a user is blank
150[00:44:03] <d4rklit3> like i think i may be missing some steps
151[00:44:10] <vook> could be something in /etc/ssh
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153[00:44:49] <vook> no, ssh-add must be requiring the passphrase to add that file...
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156[00:45:08] <d4rklit3> what passphrase though? the key itself has no passphrase
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160[00:46:23] <L1nuxg33k> ok Oldcpv3 I got the cup from starbucks. now what?
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163[00:49:23] <d4rklit3> ok there just isn't a way to do this :(
164[00:49:27] <d4rklit3> not with this image
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166[00:50:17] <dgriffi> Does anyone here run Daphne with Singe on Debian?
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172[00:51:44] <AciD`> hey, is there a way to retrieve the list of package that I manually installed only?
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174[00:52:00] <Wulf> AciD`: yes
175[00:52:02] <AciD`> dpkg get-selections returns everything
176[00:52:02] <dpkg> wish i knew, AciD`
177[00:52:49] <AciD`> my use case : I want to reinstall a clean system, but need to find out which app I installed in order to install them back
178[00:52:50] <vook> aptitude search "?narrow(?installed,?not(?archive(stable)))"
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180[00:53:04] <vook> ^maybe what you are looking for
181[00:53:14] <AciD`> oh cool
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187[00:54:20] <AciD`> vook -> anyway for aptitude to output a list of package so that I could use that back when reinstalling. This cmd output quite a lot, including the package descriptions
188[00:54:48] <Wulf> AciD`: try apt-mark
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190[00:55:14] <AciD`> and not only the thing I installed manually (for instance I see zynaddsubfx and weel as zynaddsubfx-data (and zynaddsubfx-data should not be in that list)
191[00:55:50] <AciD`> funny, I still discover apt-* command after that many years :x
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198[00:58:44] <AciD`> vook -> for info, aptitude search '~i !~M' only returns the manually installed packages. Now I need to output only their name :x
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206[01:04:07] <petn-randall> ,v postgresql
207[01:04:08] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 8.4.20-0squeeze1; squeeze: 8.4.21-0squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 8.4.22lts6-0+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+134wheezy4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u1; sid: 9.5+174; stretch: 9.5+174
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222[01:10:53] <d4rklit3> sorry i never use debian, what is the default package manager on jessie? is apt-get or yum.. something else?
223[01:11:17] <LtL> d4rklit3: apt
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229[01:13:42] <d4rklit3> ty
230[01:13:52] <LtL> d4rklit3: np
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233[01:14:25] <LtL> d4rklit3: see man apt-get (8)
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250[01:18:29] <nokT> is it possible to display "ls | less" output on various columns? I'm getting only one
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253[01:19:53] <LtL> nokT: try ls -C
254[01:20:40] <LtL> nokT: piped it will probably only show one column, no sense in that cmd anyway
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257[01:21:19] <nokT> LtL: which makes no sense? "ls -C | less" ?
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259[01:21:42] <nokT> how come I didn't see that parameter on man's, I'm must be burned out
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262[01:22:23] <kejsi564> what is the right name of this command dmseg ?
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264[01:22:33] <LtL> nokT: yes, piping it isn't needed
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267[01:23:09] <nokT> LtL: I can't scroll if I don't pipe it :P
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269[01:23:22] <LtL> nokT: unless you can't scroll maybe. oh nevermind then
270[01:23:28] <petn-randall> kejsi564: dmesg?
271[01:23:35] <nokT> yeah, I'm trying to learn using the terminal only
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273[01:24:10] <LtL> nokT: time well spent :)
274[01:24:38] <Codfection> hello
275[01:24:52] <Codfection> I am coming from ubuntu background
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277[01:25:04] <Codfection> is debian user friendly?
278[01:25:12] <LtL> Codfection: yes
279[01:25:14] <Codfection> I have heard lots of good things about debian
280[01:25:18] <Codfection> so wanna switch
281[01:25:20] <kejsi564> petn-randall you got it !
282[01:25:21] <kejsi564> thanks
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284[01:26:14] <Codfection> so do I need to download installation or live one
285[01:26:38] <kejsi564> i dont have any sound but it plays the movie
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287[01:26:51] <kejsi564> i found this error, thats the only one i have : firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.f
288[01:26:54] <Codfection> replaced-url
289[01:26:58] <kejsi564> could this be the sound problem
290[01:27:04] <LtL> Codfection: either one, i recommend a pure install image
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292[01:27:06] <Codfection> which flavor would you recommend
293[01:27:08] <rgwu> replaced-url
294[01:27:25] <rgwu> Red is the best flavor.
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296[01:27:43] <Codfection> cant find red
297[01:28:09] <LtL> Codfection: he's kidding
298[01:28:26] <petn-randall> kejsi564: No, that's missing firmware for your wifi device. Which release are you running?
299[01:28:35] <Codfection> LtL, what flavor do u recommend
300[01:29:21] <kejsi564> petn-randall hmm thats weird because the wifi work
301[01:29:21] <LtL> Codfection: flavor as in what? type of image or desktop environment? i like gnome
302[01:29:29] <jcplouf> hey anyone know if there's a jessie package for libx265 with 10bit depth support or do I have to recompile the lib myself?
303[01:29:39] <Codfection> desktop environment
304[01:29:46] <Codfection> is gnome better than mate?
305[01:29:52] <petn-randall> !better
306[01:29:52] <dpkg> hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
307[01:30:00] <petn-randall> !best
308[01:30:00] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
309[01:30:02] <rgwu> I prefer i3wm, but Gnome or xfce4 are safer choices.
310[01:30:21] <LtL> Codfection: gnome, kde, xfce and more to choose from in the install dvd
311[01:30:21] <Codfection> how about mate?
312[01:30:37] <LtL> Codfection: never tried it
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314[01:30:46] <petn-randall> Codfection: Your questions are getting fuzzier by the minute.
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318[01:31:05] <Codfection> petn-randall, perhaps the excitement of using debian :D
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327[01:32:30] <Zliba> hey has anyone played 0AD? Does it support LAN games?
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342[01:35:04] <kejsi564> i got dc
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345[01:36:05] <kejsi564> i dont know what time it disconnected but this is the hardware that im using for sound HD-Audio Generic HDMI/DP,pcm=3 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.1/sound/card0/input16
346[01:36:24] <kejsi564> there is no errors on the dmesg list
347[01:36:33] <kejsi564> im not sure how to fix this problem
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362[01:48:24] <petn-randall> kejsi564: which release of the your distro do you have installed?
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365[01:49:37] <kejsi564> petn-randall debian 8 jessie
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369[01:53:02] <vlad__> anyone have ideas why update-grub isn't seeing windows?
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373[01:54:30] <dvs> vlad__, apt-get install os-prober ?
374[01:54:51] <vlad__> dvs: yeah os-prober also doesn't see it
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376[01:56:13] <vlad__> I can still boot into windows, but I have to do it in the bios
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378[01:56:47] <kejsi564> petn-randall any idea what should i do ?
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385[02:00:03] <petn-randall> kejsi564: If you open 'pavucontrol', is sound getting routed to the right device? Is the volume far enough up?
386[02:00:15] <kejsi564> let me check
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395[02:01:47] <kejsi564> petn-randall where can i find pavucontrol ?
396[02:01:59] <kejsi564> im looking for it cant see it
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399[02:02:45] <LtL> kejsi564: you probably need to install it
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404[02:05:07] <kejsi564> LtL installing it now
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409[02:08:39] <kejsi564> They playback sound is set at 100%
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412[02:09:20] <kejsi564> when i go to output devices
413[02:09:40] <kejsi564> it says hdmi display port / unplugged
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416[02:10:23] <kejsi564> what should i do ?
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459[02:26:38] <loaden> hi, there. does someone know if GRUB's timeout change to 0, then how to show the grub menu again (or reset timeout again)? thx
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467[02:29:51] <kejsi564> i have to go now
468[02:29:52] <kejsi564> bye
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479[02:36:13] <ghort> Grub failed on an install, but the rest of the install succeeded. Motherboard uses UEFI. Installing root to LVM on top of RAID6 (4x 3TB drives). Will this help? replaced-url
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484[02:38:56] <sceadwian> Can anyone recommend a Debian package for network bandwidth/connection testing?
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490[02:41:23] <Foxhoundz> sceadwian: iperf
491[02:41:29] <Foxhoundz> sceadwian: mtr
492[02:41:32] <Foxhoundz> sceadwian: traceroute
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498[02:43:39] <sceadwian> Foxhoundz: MTR and iperf look perfect, thanks.
499[02:43:45] <Foxhoundz> lol
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501[02:43:49] <Foxhoundz> and ping :)
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503[02:45:31] <markybob> there's always replaced-url
504[02:45:55] <Foxhoundz> that's for WAN links though
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506[02:46:06] <markybob> yes
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508[02:46:39] <sceadwian> I think MTR might work better, I think I'm having packet drop issues.
509[02:46:46] <sceadwian> I think the router I'm using might be losing it's mind.
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514[02:49:44] <zinx> 'app'?
515[02:50:03] <texla> distro sorry
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518[02:50:34] <sceadwian> How about.. debian? :)
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520[02:51:16] <sceadwian> I'm using Jesse on a slower machine than that. Very happy with it.
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526[02:52:31] <texla> sceadwian..I have 32 bit or 64 bit which should I use
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528[02:53:08] <Foxhoundz> texla: it's an i7
529[02:53:19] <Foxhoundz> texla: pretty much any decently stable distro will run fine
530[02:53:19] <zinx> texla: you can use either.
531[02:53:35] <sceadwian> I used 64, it doesn't matter much I don't think.
532[02:53:49] <Foxhoundz> sceadwian: traceroute would suffice. MTR is just a glorified traceroute
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542[02:54:34] <Foxhoundz> texla: how much RAM do you have...you should be using x64 these days
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546[02:54:55] <sceadwian> Foxhoundz: seems to run more statistics though, like repeating the same traceroute repeatedly with network statistics inbetween.
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550[02:55:06] <Foxhoundz> r
551[02:55:09] <sceadwian> Foxhoundz: I'm having intermittent connectivity issues.
552[02:55:13] <Foxhoundz> right, I suppose
553[02:55:24] <sceadwian> a simple tracert isn't gonna tell me jack.
554[02:55:27] <Foxhoundz> sceadwian: do you see any latency spikes?
555[02:55:36] <Foxhoundz> or dropped packets?
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559[02:55:46] <sceadwian> Foxhoundz: that's why I was asking for net bandwidth test packsages so I could find out :
560[02:55:57] <Foxhoundz> well, traceroute could show you both
561[02:56:11] <texla> foxhound..7.8gib memory
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565[02:57:23] <Foxhoundz> texla: then don't use 32bit
566[02:57:37] <texla> foxhoundz..7.8 gib memory
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573[02:59:25] <Foxhoundz> texla: right, the max addressable in a 32bit OS is 4GB (provided OS isn't using PAE)
574[02:59:44] <Foxhoundz> so in your case ,as it is with most modern computers, a 64bit system would suffice
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577[03:00:02] <zinx> Foxhoundz: even then, individual applications can only access 4GB at a time, at absolute most.
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609[03:06:27] <texla> foxhoundz..In summary jessie,amd64,64bit,download to dvd and install from disc...thanks for the info
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612[03:07:41] <sceadwian> I had no problems using a USB key stick to install the network version of Jesse
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616[03:08:15] <sceadwian> Just use a thumb drive linux installer to make a bootable USB drive with the network install version of the debian installer. worked like a charm
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637[03:16:54] <sceadwian> Foxhoundz: MTR works nice.
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649[03:26:09] <Onionman> Hello everyone
650[03:26:22] <Onionman> does anybody have some time for some questions about bind?
651[03:27:07] <LtL> Onionman: try #bind
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654[03:28:33] <Onionman> ok
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668[03:39:32] <veXx> since --no-upgrade only works for 'apt-get install', is there a way to remove a package without upgrading other packages?
669[03:40:16] <veXx> ive looked through dpkg but i nothing stood out
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672[03:40:58] <petn-randall> veXx: Which release are you running?
673[03:41:31] <markybob> dpkg --purge --force-all will really do anything. you probably shouldn't though it, but it's there
674[03:41:32] * dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up --force-all will really do anything. you probably shouldn't though it, but it's there all over markybob and papitfx...
675[03:42:08] <markybob> hey, i said don't do it :P
676[03:42:38] <petn-randall> veXx: No need to PM me, keep it in the channel please.
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678[03:44:05] <veXx> yea i tend to shy away from using the force options
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680[03:44:35] <petn-randall> !kali
681[03:44:35] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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684[03:44:48] <petn-randall> veXx: Please ask for support in the appropriate channel. ^^^
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703[03:55:09] <hanshenrik__> how can i check if "debian desktop" was chosen during installation?
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705[03:55:17] <hanshenrik__> or maybe it was just called Desktop
706[03:55:41] <shadow> hanshenrik__: task-desktop?
707[03:55:55] <hanshenrik__> -bash: task-desktop: command not found
708[03:56:11] <hanshenrik__> yes i guess its called task-desktop
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710[03:56:42] <hanshenrik__> i want to know if i accidentally selected it during setup
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712[03:56:58] <shadow> hanshenrik__: dpkg can list packages, you can filter with a pipe to grep
713[03:57:03] <LtL> hanshenrik__: dpkg -l task-desktop
714[03:57:05] <shadow> dpkg -l | grep task-desktop
715[03:57:05] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep task-desktop
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717[03:57:11] <shadow> dpkg -l | grep task
718[03:57:11] <dpkg> ii | grep task 1.6-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
719[03:57:13] <shadow> like that
720[03:57:35] <themill> yeah, or better, dpkg -l task\*
721[03:57:37] <LtL> hanshenrik__: what i said, run it
722[03:57:40] <hanshenrik__> replaced-url
723[03:58:03] * themill thinks we should have a uuog award
724[03:58:04] <hanshenrik__> does that mean installed?
725[03:58:09] <LtL> hanshenrik__: its installed
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727[03:58:16] <hanshenrik__> thanks
728[03:58:25] <LtL> welcome
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731[03:58:54] <supernuno> "/msg dpkg guidelines"
732[03:59:13] <awwal> hanshenrik, when the installer prompts you to select a desktop you should have seen "debian desktop" selected but you should have to select which desktop: gnome, kde, xfce, mate,cinnamon or lxde. if you havent selected one so no desktop installed :P
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738[04:00:28] <shovel_boss> duck
739[04:00:30] <shovel_boss> duck
740[04:00:32] <shovel_boss> duck
741[04:00:34] <shovel_boss> duck
742[04:00:36] <shovel_boss> duck
743[04:00:38] <shovel_boss> duck
744[04:00:39] <shovel_boss> duck
745[04:00:42] <shovel_boss> duck
746[04:00:45] <shovel_boss> duck
747[04:00:46] <petn-randall> !ops shovel_boss
748[04:00:47] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: shovel_boss
749[04:00:50] <shovel_boss> goose
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754[04:01:44] <supernuno> buenas noches mi pregunta es cuales son los requerimientos para instalar DEBIAN?
755[04:01:52] <petn-randall> !es
756[04:01:53] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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759[04:02:01] *** shovel_boss was kicked by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.)
760[04:02:01] <awwal> Ltl, if I'm not wrong he only have the task-desktop stuff installed not X DE,
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764[04:02:16] <LtL> awwal: youre right
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766[04:03:13] <LtL> themill's command would show if he did i believe, or he can apt-cache search for what he'd like
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778[04:08:15] <LtL> apt-cache search task-gnome ; works with kde and others
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782[04:09:28] <LtL> # apt-get install task-gnome-desktop ; would fetch gnome etc.
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818[04:38:45] <FuriousGeorge> i need to include a shell script in initrd to be called with the module load (e.g. "install modname /sbin/script.sh" in modprobe.d)
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821[04:39:37] <FuriousGeorge> and i'd like to be able to have that be automatically be put into the initrd rather than manually uncompressing and recreating the file each time
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825[04:40:46] <FuriousGeorge> is there really no simple way to do this? like i just stick a file somewhere and have initramfs-tools just pull it in?
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829[04:41:57] <somiaj> FuriousGeorge: have you looked at various hooks/scripts you can put in /etc/initramfs-tools/ (I don't know the details but I think that is where you woudl put this script)
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833[04:43:13] <FuriousGeorge> yeah, but it's not clear to me where they live in the initramfs and how i could call them.... im gonna do a dry run and see what happens
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836[04:44:46] <somiaj> have you looked at the manpage? 'man initramfs-tools'
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838[04:46:33] <FuriousGeorge> somiaj: yeah: hooks are " They are executed
839[04:46:34] <FuriousGeorge> during generation of the initramfs-image and are responsible for including all the necessary components in the image
840[04:46:36] <FuriousGeorge> itself."
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842[04:48:01] <FuriousGeorge> Similarly to hook scripts, boot scripts can be found in two places /usr/shar/initramfs-tools/scripts/ and /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/. There are a number of subdirectories to these two directories which control the boot stage at which the scripts are executed.
843[04:48:35] <FuriousGeorge> so it is not as if either of these things just place a file in the initrd to be executed when the module is loaded
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845[04:49:31] <somiaj> FuriousGeorge: replaced-url
846[04:49:52] <somiaj> that page as an example of writing a simple hook to put a file in the initramfs automatically (in this case it was curl, but you can adjust it to the file you want to copy)
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852[04:54:02] <FuriousGeorge> somiaj: but that won't do what i want either, since i need the script to be called from the modprobe.d file like "install modname /sbin/myscript"
853[04:54:37] <FuriousGeorge> i guess i can use the script modprobe the file
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855[04:54:42] <FuriousGeorge> s/file/module
856[04:54:45] <somiaj> FuriousGeorge: I thought you said you were currently able to put the script inside the initrd image, you just had to do it manually
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858[04:55:16] <FuriousGeorge> right, i want this to happen automatically when, for instance, i upgrade the kernel in 6 months
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860[04:55:57] <somiaj> correct, so just make that hook script do what you would ahve done manually
861[04:56:28] <FuriousGeorge> i see what you mean
862[04:56:31] <FuriousGeorge> thanks
863[04:56:43] <FuriousGeorge> i was looking at boot scripts
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928[05:43:29] <xxooxx> /help
929[05:43:37] <somiaj> xxooxx: just ask your question
930[05:43:47] <jaggz> anyone know why knockd is inconsistent in its recognition of my knocks?
931[05:44:10] <jaggz> it sometimes doesn't show it received knocks after 1. maybe 1 and 2.
932[05:44:22] <xxooxx> I installed Sri
933[05:44:26] <jaggz> once I got stage 1, stage 2, stage 1. I have no clue how that could happen.
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935[05:46:14] <xxooxx> I installed ATI display device driver to my Debian 8.The desktop of gnome has gone wrong.
936[05:46:17] <terrible> hello i got this error when i run apt-get update
937[05:46:20] <terrible> Reading package lists... Done
938[05:46:20] <terrible> W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
939[05:46:20] <terrible> 1397BC53640DB551
940[05:46:25] <terrible> any help
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942[05:46:51] <somiaj> terrible: that is just a warning, what repo is giving you that?
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945[05:47:20] <somiaj> xxooxx: how did you install the ati driver? Did you install it from amd's website or use the fgrlx packages in debian non-free
946[05:47:27] <terrible> somiaj, to tell the true i dont know which repos have problem
947[05:47:34] <xxooxx> yes
948[05:47:57] <somiaj> xxooxx: debian doesn't work well using the drivers from amd's site, dpkg can and will overwrite files it uses and it is hard to manage.
949[05:48:07] <xxooxx> I run AMDxxxx.run file
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951[05:48:25] <somiaj> xxooxx: replaced-url
952[05:48:45] <xxooxx> thanks
953[05:48:48] <somiaj> xxooxx: that can cause problems because it will overwrite files put on your computer by dpkg, and dpkg might overwrite files it put there making unforseen things happen
954[05:48:56] <somiaj> I'm unsure the bestway to clean up the mess running that script would have done
955[05:49:05] <somiaj> terrible: care to share your sources.list file at paste.debian.net
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957[05:49:16] <somiaj> terrible: and/or the output of 'apt-cache policy'
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959[05:49:48] <kingsley> Looking for safe hardware? A secure workstation is being developed at Raptor Engineering. It's called a "Talos Secure Workstation". The best explanation of secure hardware I've ever seen is in the video at replaced-url
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961[05:50:42] <terrible> somiaj, here replaced-url
962[05:51:36] <somiaj> It might be the deb-multimedia that is causing your problems or you don't have the debian keyring installed
963[05:51:39] <somiaj> !dmo
964[05:51:40] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
965[05:53:02] <somiaj> terrible: but you just have a warning, 'W', as for the debian repos, if you have debian-archive-keyring installed you shoudln't be getting that warning for debian archives.
966[05:53:05] <terrible> somiaj, so how can i get the right key for that repos?
967[05:53:39] <somiaj> (oh wait, it might be an issue with a key in your keyring and not the actual repo, I don't know gnupg well enough for that)
968[05:53:50] <somiaj> terrible: I would advise against useing deb-multimedia
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971[05:56:41] <terrible> somiaj, so you suggest that i better change deb-multimedia.org jessie main non-free for that repos??
972[05:57:09] <terrible> somiaj, sorry i new in linux
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974[05:57:36] <somiaj> terrible: as the dpkg bot said, I suggest you don't use that thrid part repo.
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976[05:58:12] <somiaj> but I think that warning is more about a key in your local keyring vs an issue wiht your sources
977[05:58:25] <terrible> somiaj, ok just erase for my repos list
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979[05:58:41] <terrible> somiaj, where i can find that key
980[05:58:49] <terrible> can solve my problem
981[05:59:32] <somiaj> terrible: gpg --list-keys (then look for the one with the id in the warning)
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984[06:03:01] <terrible> somiaj, i run that command and it just create some file in my home directory
985[06:03:04] <ioanm> 1 question, I noticed nginx provides both /etc/rc*.d/, /etc/init.d/nginx but also nginx.service, why is that?
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987[06:04:09] <somiaj> ioanm: debian supports both sysvinit and systemd, so many packages provide both a systemd unit file and an init.d init script
988[06:04:14] <buu> So uh
989[06:04:40] <buu> I do 'touch foo', get a 'no space on filesystem' error, then run df -h and see "/dev/disk/by-uuid/78bf18b7-ed62-406b-a975-137cd2c74b12 3886718976 2179053532 1706588172"
990[06:04:52] <buu> sorry: 3.7T 2.1T 1.6T 57% /
991[06:04:58] <ioanm> somiaj, oh, thanks for the explaination
992[06:05:00] <somiaj> buu: You may be out of inodes
993[06:05:05] <buu> !
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995[06:05:12] <ioanm> *explanation
996[06:05:18] <buu> somiaj: How can I check please?
997[06:05:40] <somiaj> buu: unsure, just had someone in here a week or so ago with the same issue and they returned to say it was an inode issue, check google would be my first step
998[06:05:48] <buu> mm
999[06:05:55] <somiaj> terrible: that command should just print the list of keys in your keyring to the screen
1000[06:05:55] <buu> I'm unconvinced my disk is actually 4tb
1001[06:06:12] <somiaj> buu: are you using LVM over multiple disks or a raid?
1002[06:06:19] <somiaj> buu: what is the output of df -h
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1004[06:06:41] <buu> somiaj: I didn't think so
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1006[06:07:09] <buu> somiaj: replaced-url
1007[06:07:18] <somiaj> buu: what makes you think you don't have a 4TB disk?
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1011[06:07:56] <buu> Just a guess
1012[06:07:56] <terrible> somiaj, but is not it doesnt show anything
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1016[06:08:07] <buu> 4tb disks are slighly unusual
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1019[06:08:55] <somiaj> terrible: do you have the package 'debian-archive-keyring' installed?
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1021[06:09:24] <somiaj> buu: that is why I asked above LVM, it can put two 2TB disks together and treat it as one 4TB disk, though I'm unsure the best way to check this out.
1022[06:09:24] <buu> somiaj: A better question is how do I check for disk info without parted or hdparm installed!
1023[06:09:35] <buu> somiaj: I rather thought lvm would show up differently
1024[06:09:43] <terrible> somiaj, i guess not
1025[06:09:44] <buu> /dev/disk/by-uuid/78bf18b7-ed62-406b-a975-137cd2c74b12 on / type btrfs (rw,relatime,space_cache)
1026[06:09:47] <buu> Pretty sure that's not lvm
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1028[06:10:03] <somiaj> buu: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
1029[06:10:20] <somiaj> buu: a uuid is just attached tot he filesystem/partition, that link could point to an lvm device
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1031[06:11:47] <somiaj> buu: what is the output of df -i
1032[06:12:52] <terrible> somiaj, yes i notice it is already installed on my system
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1034[06:14:01] <somiaj> terrible: I don't htink I know enough about how the keys work to be of much more help. I'm surprise gpg --list-keys didn't list the keys, one second
1035[06:14:03] <buu> somiaj: it points to /dev/sda2
1036[06:14:23] <somiaj> buu: you may just have a 4TB disk, they do exist.
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1038[06:14:28] <somiaj> buu: what is the output of df -i
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1043[06:16:53] <somiaj> terrible: seems apt uses gpgv (not gpg) and the keys are in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
1044[06:17:25] <somiaj> terrible: but I'm unsure how to track down the ID if the key you have that is giving you a warning about no public key
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1046[06:17:26] <k-man> is there a scanner frontend I can use that will scan and email a document with minimal interraction?
1047[06:17:28] <terrible> somiaj, so what doesnt that mean?
1048[06:17:29] <buu> devid 1 size 3.62TB used 3.62TB path /dev/sda2
1049[06:17:35] <buu> That's uh, odd
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1051[06:17:47] <k-man> like if i want to jus scan a bunch of documents and email them directly to evernote
1052[06:17:49] <somiaj> buu: was the the output of df -i?
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1054[06:17:56] <buu> somiaj: Doesn't work for btrfs
1055[06:18:19] <somiaj> buu: oh you are using btrfs, it may have issues I'm not aware of (I still don't think it is stable enough to be using on debian stable)
1056[06:18:27] <buu> I have no idea why btrfs is used
1057[06:18:27] <buu> =[
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1059[06:19:23] <somiaj> buu: could you still paste the full output of df -i at paste.debian.net
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1064[06:20:39] <somiaj> buu: replaced-url
1065[06:20:55] <somiaj> buu: btrfs filesystem df
1066[06:21:09] <buu> somiaj: replaced-url
1067[06:21:42] <somiaj> buu: yea I was just following a forum I didn't read though enough, that is what finally got me that wiki on how to get acurate reporting on a btrfs filesystem
1068[06:22:11] <buu> Yeah
1069[06:22:15] <buu> I got there also =]
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1071[06:22:56] <buu> somiaj: devid 1 size 3.62TB used 3.62TB path /dev/sda2
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1073[06:23:06] <somiaj> buu: from my understanding btrfs is not yet stable and the tools in a jessie userland may be a bit outdated to use that file system effectivally. But it does look like your drive is full
1074[06:23:10] <buu> Yep
1075[06:23:14] <Rusty1> the question is: can the btrfs lv be fsck'd
1076[06:23:18] <buu> It's much happier after I deleted some stuff
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1079[06:25:27] <mimtf> find /data -name "*.odf" -exec cp {} /backup/ \; <—— why there is a ‘\’?
1080[06:25:52] <hanshenrik_> in /etc/default/grub it says # If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
1081[06:26:16] <hanshenrik_> and i did some updates to it. when i run update-grub (as root), i get the message: root@newratma1:~# update-grub
1082[06:26:21] <mimtf> hanshenrik_: me?
1083[06:26:32] <hanshenrik_> /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 35: /etc/default/grub: B: not found
1084[06:26:41] <somiaj> mimtf: I think it is escaping the ; which is required for the command for find and not being inteuprite by the shell
1085[06:26:48] <hanshenrik_> mimtf, no wasn't talking specifically to you
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1089[06:27:04] <hanshenrik_> any idea what this "B: not found" means?
1090[06:27:06] <somiaj> hanshenrik_: how did you modify that file, care to share it at paste.debian.net
1091[06:27:34] <hanshenrik_> i changed GRUB_CMDLINE_DEFAULT="quiet" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=ttyS1,9600 nokaslr"
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1095[06:28:03] <hanshenrik_> that's all
1096[06:28:12] <somiaj> hanshenrik_: you may have another issue in the file, you'll have to paste the whole file
1097[06:28:31] <mimtf> find /data -name "*.odf" -exec cp {} /backup/ \; <——> find /data -name "*.odf" -exec cp {} /backup/ <— then what is difference betweeon both?
1098[06:28:39] <mimtf> between
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1100[06:29:03] <somiaj> mimtf: read the man page on find, the point is -exec command ; (the ; ends the -exec option)
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1103[06:29:27] <hanshenrik_> replaced-url
1104[06:29:33] <FuriousGeorge> once kde is installed, what loads nouveau?
1105[06:29:37] <somiaj> mimtf: probabaly no difference in that last one you wrote because the -exec was the last option, but lets say you wanted to add another option, find blah -exec cp {} /backup/ -type f
1106[06:29:39] <FuriousGeorge> s/kde/X\
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1108[06:29:42] <mimtf> thanks somiaj
1109[06:29:54] <hanshenrik_> (was the output of `cat /etc/default/grub | pastebinit` )
1110[06:29:58] <somiaj> mimtf: that -type f would be considered part of the -exec command and the ; is the sysmbol used to end the command and needs to be escaped
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1112[06:30:44] <somiaj> hanshenrik_: look at the bottom of the file, notice you have some extra characters that start with B, this is part of a script and grub is erroring out trying to run the command 'B' on line 35 (line 36 is also nuneeded)
1113[06:30:54] <hanshenrik_> huh
1114[06:30:58] <hanshenrik_> weird indeed,
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1116[06:31:13] <hanshenrik_> what does the default/template grub file look like?
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1118[06:31:43] <hanshenrik_> does it usually end with GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND="serial --unit=1 --speed=9600 --stop=1"
1119[06:31:44] <hanshenrik_> ?
1120[06:31:46] <somiaj> hexagoxel: just delete those extra lines
1121[06:32:25] <somiaj> not in mine, but you may need it
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1123[06:33:23] <hanshenrik_> well removing those 2 weird lines at the end, "update-grub" ran without errors
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1126[06:33:28] <hanshenrik_> thanks ^^
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1139[06:39:05] <terrible> somiaj, i finally solve the problem
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1141[06:39:27] <somiaj> terrible: oh good to ehar
1142[06:39:28] <somiaj> hear
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1144[06:39:49] <mimtf> find /data -name "*.odf" -exec cp {} /backup/ \; <— it works
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1146[06:39:59] <mimtf> find /data -name "*.odf" -exec cp {} /backup/ <— it don’t works
1147[06:40:06] <mimtf> somiaj:
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1149[06:40:30] <somiaj> mimtf: the man page seems to suggest it is required then, I wasn't sure if it was optional or not, now you know
1150[06:40:50] <mimtf> thanks somiaj
1151[06:40:53] <mimtf> :)
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1172[06:55:20] <rlange_> anyone know how ssh-agent is started in Jessie? I have found a reference to it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ and removed that file and rebooted, but it still loads on each login.
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1178[06:56:21] <rlange_> Furthermore, ssh-agent loads on plain tty logins as well, so it's not X that's starting it.
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1180[06:57:32] <rlange_> I can't find any more non-comment references to "ssh-agent" in my home directory, or /etc/, or /usr, so I'm a bit baffled by what is invoking it.
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1198[07:11:25] <hanshenrik_> TIL: never run apt-get update; on an overloaded btrfs drive
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1261[08:00:27] <mimtf> 2>&1 2> means stderr, then what is &1?
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1266[08:02:23] <mimtf> somiaj:
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1268[08:02:51] <somiaj> mimtf: stdout
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1273[08:03:59] <mimtf> > or 1> means stdout? somiaj ?
1274[08:04:07] <somiaj> mimtf: > means redirect
1275[08:04:08] <mimtf> how &1 is stdout?
1276[08:04:17] <somiaj> mimtf: 2> means redirect stderr
1277[08:04:37] <somiaj> mimtf: &1 is where you are redirecting it to, in this case stdout
1278[08:05:13] <somiaj> mimtf: 2>/dev/null redirects stderr to /dev/null
1279[08:05:26] <somiaj> mimtf: 1> redirects stdout, but that is the same as >
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1281[08:06:05] <mimtf> 2 means stderr? 1 means stdout?
1282[08:06:12] <somiaj> in this context yes
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1284[08:07:17] <mimtf> then & means address?
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1286[08:07:34] <somiaj> Could be, not sure on the details to that level
1287[08:08:27] <mimtf> oh good
1288[08:08:29] <mimtf> thanks somiaj
1289[08:08:55] <mimtf> :)
1290[08:08:56] <hexnewbie> mimtf: I don't know what it means either, but '&' makes sure the number that comes after it isn't a file name (to be opened), but a file descriptor (i.e. file already opened, referred to as a number). The first three -- 0,1,2 -- are most often stdin, stdout and stderr
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1294[08:09:51] <hexnewbie> mimtf: so "> this_is_a_text" assumes the thing is a filename, opens it, and redirects to it. "> &2" assumes 2 is a file descriptor that is alredy oen and redirects to it
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1298[08:10:54] <hexnewbie> mimtf: Are you by any chance familiar with C? :)
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1301[08:11:12] <mimtf> i study bash now
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1303[08:11:16] <mimtf> hexnewbie:
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1305[08:11:42] <hexnewbie> mimtf: That I can tell
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1308[08:12:10] <hexnewbie> mimtf: I assumed since you referred to addresses, you might be familiar with other languages.
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1310[08:12:22] <mimtf> lol
1311[08:12:23] <mimtf> stop
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1313[08:12:39] <mimtf> i m studying bash, i have no time to waste
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1317[08:13:16] <n_blownapart> hi is it ok to install the Atom word processor using the add-apt-repository command ? I have a 32bit jessie 8 system. thanks
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1319[08:15:21] <somiaj> n_blownapart: I would say no with the info you gave. Is this repository made for debian jessie or is it made for ubuntu?
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1321[08:15:53] <hexnewbie> n_blownapart: If you trust the maintainer of the repository, and you've made sure it doesn't add a ton of unnecessary packages like dmo does. I have recently gone back to manually installing packages (or even sources in /opt), even though that makes it necessary to upgrade manually.
1322[08:16:30] <somiaj> n_blownapart: I notice atom.iso has a direct link to download the deb, provided it can be installed in jessie, dpkg -i that deb, and if you are missing depends run apt-get -f install (or use gdebi)
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1327[08:19:17] <n_blownapart> thanks somiaj hexnewbie ... if I am missing depends I should run apt-get -f install with the atom_package_name.deb ? sorry don't quite follow.
1328[08:19:49] <hexnewbie> n_blownapart: That's the way to go with package files, yeah.
1329[08:19:55] <somiaj> n_blownapart: apt-get -f install (just that)
1330[08:20:29] <somiaj> n_blownapart: it will try to fix the issue by either installing the missing depends or removing the package that failed to isntall. If that is the case the package may not be designed to be installed in jessie. You will have to research that or just trust atom
1331[08:20:58] <n_blownapart> somiaj, just that, after I use dpkg -i <packagename.deb> ?
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1333[08:21:40] <somiaj> n_blownapart: if it complains about depends, yes
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1336[08:22:23] <n_blownapart> thanks kindly somiaj hexnewbie
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1344[08:25:43] <n_blownapart> somiaj, hey, the name of the package is atom-amd64.deb. this is a 32bit laptop. maybe I should abort or, what do you think?
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1352[08:26:44] <somiaj> n_blownapart: it will just error out, but yea you'll need a 32bit lib
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1354[08:27:32] <n_blownapart> somiaj, thanks its too much editor for a tiny screen anyway I reckon.
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1363[08:29:59] <somiaj> n_blownapart: debian does support multiarch (but you would have to install a 64bit kernel and ahve a cpu that supports it (which would be rare if you didn't)
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1371[08:33:49] <n_blownapart> thanks somiaj I have drracket which is a cool scheme ide ; so for now it can suit my purposes. pax
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1461[09:14:11] <drmagoo> Hi, I've f-ed up my nvidia drivers and could really use some help to clean up this mess... Can anyone advise me on how to? Some info: replaced-url
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1493[09:30:47] <lucido> hello, where do I find info of server hardware compatibility. It's for serving Atlassian applications, Perforce, git... for a small team of max 50 people
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1498[09:33:41] <bezaban> lucido: consider running some sort of virtualization and check compatability with that. If you want to run virtualization under debian or insist on bare metal there is replaced-url
1499[09:34:22] <lucido> bezaban, why do you think virtualization is a good idea?
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1501[09:34:49] <lucido> and if I go with witualization, then which solution is recommended?
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1507[09:38:17] <bezaban> lucido: virtualization is good because you can segment the logical servers, snapshot them and expand/move as you grow. I also think backups are easier to handle. Imo it greatly improved the management when we moved from bare metal. Recommended is hard to say, a few years ago I would have said esxi, but hyper-v is sailing up as a good alternative (if you are so inclined). Also XEN/KVM under linux. What is right for you is hard to say, but it does re
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1510[09:39:21] <bezaban> add/remove resources to each server on demand, cleanly set up test enviroments etc
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1512[09:39:51] <bezaban> and you can of course mix different OS as they best fit the task, but drifting OT :)
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1561[10:06:40] <lucido> bezaban, Thanks, will get a proliant and use KVM
1562[10:07:10] <bezaban> lucido: quick decision making! Good luck :)
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1633[10:37:11] <Walex> bezaban: I think that "segment the logical servers, snapshot them and expand/move as you grow
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1639[10:38:46] <Walex> bezaban: I think that "segment the logical servers, snapshot them and expand/move as you grow" etc. are worthless and can be achieved better in other ways. The only advantage of virtualization, which for some people matters a lot, is independent system administration, that is being able to give 'root' to clients while at the same time having a few large servers instead of many tiny ones.
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1659[10:43:20] <holando> Hi
1660[10:43:55] <holando> on doing apt-get update
1661[10:44:02] <holando> I get 404 NOT FOUND for some fetches
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1666[10:45:13] <napnap> Hi all, I want to disable screenssaver and blanking under X. I've read to add xset command on ~/.xinitrc file. Apparently it doesn't work. This file is readed on Jessie ?
1667[10:45:15] <babilen> holando: Sounds as if your mirror setup is, well, suboptimal. Which release are you using?
1668[10:45:56] <holando> babilen: it's wizzy
1669[10:46:02] <babilen> wheezy?
1670[10:46:08] <holando> Yeah
1671[10:46:13] <babilen> dpkg: wheezy sources.list
1672[10:46:13] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1673[10:46:31] <babilen> holando: Try ^ (or paste what you have right now to replaced-url
1674[10:46:45] <babilen> You might want "main contrib non-free" right away
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1677[10:47:31] <holando> replaced-url
1678[10:47:34] <holando> babilen: ^
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1682[10:49:06] <holando> babilen: what am I doing wrong?
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1685[10:49:47] <holando> these are errors, babilen replaced-url
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1687[10:50:37] <babilen> holando: Haha, well .. Take a look at the errors and ask yourself how they relate to the official Debian repositories you showed earlier.
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1689[10:51:10] <babilen> fwiw, I would *strongly* advise against mixing in PPAs or other Ubuntu repositories
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1693[10:51:26] <holando> babilen: oh you mean ubuntu
1694[10:51:32] <holando> babilen: okay how I clean it
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1696[10:51:47] <bezaban> Walex: aye, as follows by segmentation
1697[10:51:49] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
1698[10:51:49] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
1699[10:51:52] <babilen> holando: ^
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1704[10:53:12] <holando> babilen: replaced-url
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1707[10:54:46] <babilen> holando: Yeah, see. Somebody (you presumably?) configured replaced-url
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1709[10:55:14] <holando> babilen: okay fixed it
1710[10:55:23] <holando> now my question is how do I install couch 1.6.0 exactly
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1715[10:57:45] <babilen> holando: That version has not been packaged for wheezy (nor the current stable release jessie or any other Debian version)
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1717[10:58:27] <holando> babilen: okay so how do I do it?
1718[10:59:24] <babilen> So, I guess, you'll either have to use their packages, build it yourself or use different software
1719[10:59:39] <dAnjou> hi, i have a jessie here with added backports sources. but somehow apt-get install ffmpeg just works even though it shouldn't. according to replaced-url
1720[10:59:44] <dAnjou> what's wrong there?
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1732[11:05:39] <holando> Hi again babilen
1733[11:05:42] <holando> sorry got dc
1734[11:05:49] <holando> okay, so how to install 1.6.0
1735[11:05:59] <babilen> Ask couchdb?
1736[11:06:05] <babilen> They seem to provide packages
1737[11:06:18] <holando> hm
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1739[11:06:50] <babilen> But please note that Debian cannot support third-party packages and random PPAs that are out in the wild
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1746[11:08:16] <holando> babilen: I am following this replaced-url
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1751[11:08:53] <brimonk> !help
1752[11:08:53] <holando> babilen: but errors :(
1753[11:09:13] <holando> babilen: replaced-url
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1756[11:10:17] <babilen> holando: We *do not* support those packages. They have *nothing* to do with Debian
1757[11:10:39] <babilen> I also said that I wouldn't recommend using random third-party PPAs
1758[11:10:39] <holando> :(
1759[11:10:52] <holando> hmmm
1760[11:11:09] <brimonk> Would you support isc-dhcp-server by helping me troubleshoot my attempt at making a dhcp server?
1761[11:11:12] <babilen> Ask in #couchdb if you insist on using it or use a distribution that they actually support
1762[11:11:33] <babilen> (or provide working packages for)
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1764[11:11:53] <babilen> Wheezy might not be the best choice if there is no way to get CouchDB installed on it easily
1765[11:12:10] <holando> Hm
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1767[11:12:30] <babilen> judd: v couchdb
1768[11:12:31] <judd> Package: couchdb on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.0-5; sid: 1.4.0-3+b1
1769[11:12:46] <babilen> You can install 1.2.0 easily, but I guess that you don't want that version
1770[11:13:00] <drmagoo> brimonk: what do you want help with ?
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1780[11:14:37] <brimonk> So, basically I'm attempting to configure my NAS into a server. I have a gigabit ethernet card with 4 eth interfaces, eth{1,2,3,4}. I've been through replaced-url
1781[11:14:40] <holando> babilen: yeah
1782[11:14:50] <brimonk> It'll take me a second to get the error messages to a pastebin though.
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1793[11:19:19] <brimonk> /etc/network/interfaces has gone through quite a few iterations, and restarting networking is taking a bit.
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1796[11:20:28] <dAnjou> hi, i have a jessie here with added backports sources. but somehow apt-get install ffmpeg just works even though it shouldn't. according to replaced-url
1797[11:20:28] <dAnjou> replaced-url
1798[11:20:31] <drmagoo> brimonk: please provide the error-message, ifconfig and dhcpd.conf
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1801[11:21:14] <brimonk> I'm on it. Should I give them as 3 separate pastebins, or is a large one fine?
1802[11:21:28] <drmagoo> brimonk: one large will be fine
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1805[11:22:52] <brimonk> how do I redirect stderr to a file again?
1806[11:23:56] <dAnjou> 2>
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1816[11:26:23] <brimonk> !paste
1817[11:26:23] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1820[11:27:34] <brimonk> replaced-url
1821[11:27:40] <brimonk> There you go drmagoo
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1823[11:28:06] <drmagoo> brimonk: thx =)
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1825[11:28:33] <brimonk> You'll probably need the output of journalctl or something. I was looking at it, but I still couldn't get my head around it.
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1828[11:29:36] <drmagoo> brimonk: you need to have an interface with the coresponding ip of the defined lease-network in dhcpd.conf. isc doesnt know which interface to bind to and therefore it cannot start
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1830[11:30:29] <brimonk> So, do I need to set a static address in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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1834[11:31:31] <drmagoo> brimonk: yes, you need and interface with an ip on the 192.168.2-network, and that interface needs to be up and running
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1837[11:32:25] <brimonk> drmagoo: Let's say that I wanted all 4 of my ethernet card's interfaces to be connectable by dhcp. Do I set up a static address for each one of them?
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1841[11:34:27] <drmagoo> brimonk: For the dhcp-server do be able to serve clients with ip's, it needs to have an static-ip on that network.
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1843[11:35:00] <fredl> Hmm, after an upgrade from wheezy to jessie I get the following:
1844[11:35:09] <fredl> root@omega:~# dpkg -S /etc/init.d/logd
1845[11:35:09] <fredl> cluster-glue: /etc/init.d/logd
1846[11:35:17] <fredl> root@omega:~# apt-get remove cluster-glue
1847[11:35:23] <fredl> Package 'cluster-glue' is not installed, so not removed
1848[11:35:47] <brimonk> drmagoo: Now I'm confused. Do I just need to have one interface defined inside of /etc/network/interfaces, or do I need to have all of them?
1849[11:36:17] <fredl> brimonk - if you have an interface in /etc/network/interfaces, Network manager won't touch it
1850[11:36:32] <fredl> if it is NOT in there, Networkmanager will manage it
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1852[11:36:59] <brimonk> fredl: Do NetworkManager & isc-dhcp-server talk to each other?
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1854[11:37:36] <fredl> That depends on whether you tell Networkmanager that a managed interface should use DHCP
1855[11:37:41] <fredl> but no direct connection
1856[11:38:06] <drmagoo> brimonk: if eth1 is connected to a network where you want the dhcp to give out ip's on the 192.168.2-network to clients, eth1 will then need a static ip on that network. if you want eth2 to serve another network it will need its own static ip on that network
1857[11:38:41] <drmagoo> brimonk: you can you dhcp to give ip's to the same machine as is running the dhcp-daemon.
1858[11:38:53] <drmagoo> brimonk: that machine will need static-ips
1859[11:39:15] <brimonk> Aw sheesh...
1860[11:39:24] <fredl> that's simply not true drmagoo
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1862[11:39:38] <fredl> it depends on the moment the interface is brought up
1863[11:40:19] <fredl> Plus it also depends on how the interfaces are wired and if VLAN's are being used for example
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1865[11:41:08] <brimonk> Does everyone know what I want to do? I'd like to basically make a server into a router. I figured that I could use dhcp to bridge the gap between eth1-4 and eth0. eth0 or wlan0 is what I will actually use to connect to the net. I figured that I could plug into ethernet, and I can take advantage of gigabit speeds between my machines and the server, while still connecting wirelessly to something else.
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1867[11:41:43] <drmagoo> brimonk: give me a sec and I'll show you my setup.
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1869[11:41:54] <fredl> brimonk - you want to use wlan0 for access point purposes?
1870[11:42:31] <drmagoo> fredl: the daemon needs to know which interface to bind to... easiest way is for that interface to have an ip on that network...
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1873[11:43:29] <brimonk> I think this will explain perfectly: replaced-url
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1875[11:43:52] <brimonk> I believe that's in essence, what I want to have.
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1878[11:44:32] <steri> buy gigabit switch and only use eth1?
1879[11:44:33] <drmagoo> brimonk: replaced-url
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1882[11:45:11] <choro> i've tried installing debian two times, and it worked both times. however, after a solid month or two, the hard drives failed. i use windows as my main OS, and when booting into debian after being on windows, it would sometimes go into some sort of recovery mode where it guided me to use the "fsck" command to repair something. i just kept pressing "y" and let it do its thing. then, windows warned me that that hard drive had a SMART
1883[11:45:11] <choro> error and was failing. it failed not too long after that. my second hard drive failed with no warning, but i had the same "fsck" thing happen. the common event between these two occurrences was that windows tried to show the contents of the hard drive as NTFS drives (it even showed the pre-formatted contents of that first drive). i didn't do it, but windows would have let me transfer files to the drive like it was NTFS. so, this is my
1884[11:45:12] <choro> question: am i just incredibly unlucky, or am i doing something wrong here? also, would it be unsafe to install debian to a partition on my windows drive after clean installs of both OSes?
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1886[11:46:07] <fredl> dhcpd does not require an interface to be configured with an IP address
1887[11:46:53] <drmagoo> fredl: ip or interface specified.. Or the daemon will fail to start
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1889[11:47:25] <brimonk> choro: You should see what the output of a smartctl test on both drives are.
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1891[11:47:53] <fredl> yes, should you *want to* you can specify an unconfigured interface in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server
1892[11:47:55] <brimonk> If they support SMART, and they both don't eat the dust while the test is being performed, you can show us the output of the tests.
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1896[11:48:31] <fredl> dhcp is a layer 2 protocol
1897[11:48:49] <fredl> so doesn't require IP, ironically :)
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1900[11:49:26] <brimonk> choro: I've recovered a dead hdd with debian + smartmontools before, but I did it with ddrescue. Depending on if you have the disk space, you may not be able to go through with that, also assuming that you have data you'd like to get back.
1901[11:49:26] <fredl> but anyway that's a theoretical discussion that doesn't help brimonk so let's not dig into that.
1902[11:49:35] <drmagoo> fredl: =)
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1904[11:49:47] <brimonk> # i love the internet
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1906[11:49:53] <drmagoo> brimonk: did you understand my pastebin?
1907[11:49:57] <fredl> brimonk - Do you want to use wlan0 as an access point?
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1910[11:50:04] <brimonk> For the most part.
1911[11:50:13] <brimonk> I hadn't tried it yet.
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1913[11:50:29] <brimonk> I was waiting for the convo to die down.
1914[11:50:37] <wingman2> fredl: thats not ironic :p
1915[11:50:45] <choro> brimonk: there's no data i'd like back, however, i'd like to use debian ;p
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1917[11:50:50] <drmagoo> brimonk: brimonk dont forget "echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
1918[11:50:53] <fredl> wingman2, agreed, somewhat :)
1919[11:50:58] <choro> these drives have been dead for months
1920[11:51:05] <choro> i just wanna know how i can avoid these issues
1921[11:51:09] <brimonk> drmagoo: I've done that waaaaayyyy before this.
1922[11:51:09] <drmagoo> brimonk: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
1923[11:51:17] <drmagoo> brimonk: =)
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1925[11:51:29] <brimonk> choro: Well, there's no way around dead hardware.
1926[11:51:42] <brimonk> choro: You'll need to buy a new drive, ultimately.
1927[11:51:47] <brimonk> *can't spell
1928[11:52:03] <choro> brimonk: well, yeah, but it doesn't seem this was a hardware issue, unless the problems were some sick coincidence
1929[11:52:08] <choro> they were on two different HDDs
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1931[11:52:10] <fredl> brimonk - Do you want to use wlan0 as an access point?
1932[11:52:22] <fredl> I'm not going to ask again :)
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1937[11:53:30] <brimonk> fredl: Sorry. I move between a few different places every 3 months or so. One place has wifi and in the other I can use ethernet. I'd like to be able to easily switch between the two.
1938[11:53:57] <fredl> that's not an answer to my question though.
1939[11:54:11] <brimonk> fredl: fredl OH
1940[11:54:16] <brimonk> djksfjdsalkfdsafdsa
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1942[11:54:20] <brimonk> fredl: I can't read.
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1945[11:54:38] <brimonk> fredl: No, not as an access point. Just as a connection to another access point.
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1948[11:54:56] <teraflops> brimonk: use NM then
1949[11:54:56] <fredl> ok
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1956[11:55:32] <brimonk> choro: I'd still check on the disk health with smartctl, just to be safe.
1957[11:55:41] <fredl> when you said eth0, eth1-4, wlan0 I thought you intended to use a router that doesn't move
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1960[11:56:20] <choro_> brimonk: okay, will do. i'm planning to install to a new HDD, do you think windows recognizing the drives as NTFS was the problem?
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1962[11:57:43] <brimonk> choro_: Recognising the entire drive as NTFS with debian on it?
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1965[11:58:24] <choro_> brimonk: yup.
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1967[11:58:35] <choro_> didn't show any files, though
1968[11:58:44] <choro_> it just looked like a newly formatted drive
1969[11:59:06] <brimonk> choro_: It could be. Did you make the debian partition with ext4?
1970[11:59:29] <brimonk> fredl: I do. I'll set it up for 3 months, then move it in another 3 months.
1971[11:59:50] <choro_> brimonk: i did it with the debian installer, so yes. windows wasnt aware of the format, maybe i should have formatted from windows (if thats possible?)
1972[11:59:51] <brimonk> I basically want wlan0 and eth0 to be swappable in terms of gateways to the internet.
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1975[12:00:50] <brimonk> choro_: generally, because windows has a hissy fit, You should install windows first. Only partition half of the disk or whatever. Then, come along with the debian installer and let it do the smart stuff. Windows will freak out if it isn't the first thing on the disk.
1976[12:01:48] <choro_> brimonk: gosh, what a little princess! would you recommend i use something like gparted, or something i can boot into, to partition before installing windows?
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1978[12:02:13] <fredl> brimonk - in that case you may still want to look into bridge interfaces
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1980[12:03:34] <brimonk> choro_: No, I don't think you need to. just install windows on half of the disk, and then install debian on the other half.
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1984[12:05:19] <choro_> brimonk: awesome, alright! thanks for the help :0
1985[12:05:30] <brimonk> choro_: Let me know if you need anything else.
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1987[12:05:43] <choro_> brimonk: definitely, thanks!
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1990[12:06:45] <brimonk> fredl: Would I simply give a static address to each eth1-4, and then add them all to a bridge to eth0 or wlan0?
1991[12:06:59] <brimonk> fredl: Is that basically how it works?
1992[12:08:48] <teraflops> you cannot bridge most wireless nics and it's ridiculous doing hat you say bacause network managers exist for that reason
1993[12:08:54] <teraflops> that*
1994[12:09:36] <brimonk> Can I interface with network manager through the cli? Because I'd prefer not to stumble to get graphics each time I move.
1995[12:09:40] <teraflops> what you say*,
1996[12:09:48] <teraflops> brimonk: yeah use nmtui
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1998[12:10:39] <brimonk> teraflops: Is it inside of the repos?
1999[12:10:45] <teraflops> yes it is
2000[12:10:59] <teraflops> it's included in NM
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2003[12:11:59] <brimonk> teraflops: Oh shit. I already had it.
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2007[12:14:10] <brimonk> teraflops: and you said that nm will manage all devices that doesn't have an /etc/network/interfaces entry?
2008[12:14:24] <teraflops> yes
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2012[12:15:17] <teraflops> brimonk: just switch to NM if you want, so comment out all interfaces in /e/n/i
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2014[12:15:46] <teraflops> brimonk: then enable/start NM systemd unit
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2017[12:16:03] <brimonk> teraflops: Is there a way that I can get a default nm config or whatever?
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2019[12:16:15] <brimonk> Like, an entry for each device?
2020[12:16:24] <teraflops> brimonk: idk what you mean
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2022[12:16:49] <teraflops> brimonk: just launch nmtui
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2024[12:17:06] <teraflops> all your nics are there
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2027[12:17:50] <brimonk> teraflops: What's the command to start the nm systemd unit?
2028[12:18:18] <teraflops> sudo systemctl start unit.name?
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2031[12:18:47] <brimonk> teraflops: I got it.
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2034[12:19:05] <brimonk> I got rid of an interface accientally, and I couldn't figure out how to get it back.
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2036[12:19:16] <doublehp> is there a line I can add to /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to download packages from an archive repo for squeeze ?
2037[12:19:18] <brimonk> It seemed like I had an old config or something, but I have it reset now.
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2041[12:21:19] <teraflops> brimonk: to create a new one nmtui → edit a connection → add
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2102[12:49:10] <slink> i am having a really weird thing happen. /dev/null keeps changing permissions to 0600 randomly, but only when i am using a shell. (.bash_history is not linked to /dev/null), and auditd is not helping much
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2108[12:51:18] <Brimonk> teraflops: I've been fiddling with network manager, and it seems to not be doing what it should.
2109[12:51:30] <Brimonk> teraflops: I set eth1-4 to be shared
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2111[12:51:37] <teraflops> Brimonk: shared why?
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2115[12:52:08] <Brimonk> well, I want to have eth1-4 shared to other machines. That's how I bridge my laptop's ethernet with my wlan0.
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2117[12:52:21] <Brimonk> I just share the ethernet to other computers.
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2119[12:52:28] <Brimonk> And it just works.
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2121[12:52:48] <prem_> hi all
2122[12:52:58] <teraflops> Brimonk: ah, never dealt with NM builtin shared connection
2123[12:53:03] <teraflops> I*
2124[12:53:07] <prem_> how can i mark a service to be started as the last of the init process in debian?
2125[12:53:11] <Brimonk> teraflops: well, how were you suggesting I do everything.
2126[12:53:14] <Brimonk> teraflops: manually?
2127[12:53:22] <teraflops> Brimonk: sorry?
2128[12:53:25] <prem_> "update-rc.d service-name defaults" calls the service before gdm3
2129[12:53:43] <prem_> i want the service t be called only after gdm3 as the very last service
2130[12:53:46] <prem_> how to do that
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2132[12:54:09] <teraflops> Brimonk: I'm not suggesting anything, you said you dont want to share connection or that I inferred
2133[12:54:28] <kerimg_work> Anybody here with some hylafax experience? I just want to know if it's possible to see the destination phone number used by the sender
2134[12:54:48] <Brimonk> teraflops: I thought that's what I would do. It seems to not actually be dishing out addresses, which makes me think I need another package or something.
2135[12:55:19] <Brimonk> teraflops: I think my laptop already has a dhcp server set up, because that's how my nas currently connects to it
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2138[12:56:45] <teraflops> Brimonk: so you want to share wireless to 4 nics with built-in dhcp?
2139[12:57:13] <Iridos> slink, supposing the same program opens /dev/null, you could use opensnoop from perf-tools-unstable ... or you could have a look at the opensnoop script and maybe change it to watch for *fchmod* instead
2140[12:57:35] <dagerik> why is the root mailfile called /var/mail/mail and not /var/mail/root
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2143[12:58:17] <teraflops> Brimonk: if yes, I know NM has a thing for doing it, never tested it though, and sorry for misreading your issue
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2146[12:59:28] <teraflops> Brimonk: also _by hand_ in linux is not accurate since you can automate things with scripts
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2148[12:59:32] <Brimonk> teraflops: sorry for sounding snippy. I've been trying this on and off for a few months, and I can taste it. So, do I have to manually activate the interfaces within nmtui before they are in use?
2149[12:59:48] <slink> Iridos: this is weird. it was 0666 all day, i get on the machine, use it for a bit (i have a screen split), and it happens always after i finish a command. almost like bash is doing it. but auditd is not recording any changes that would change permissions that i can tell
2150[12:59:59] <slink> Iridos: i'm going to try rebooting into single user mode and check and make sure i'm not compromised or something
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2157[13:01:11] <slink> bbl
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2161[13:01:32] <teraflops> Brimonk: hmm, based in my end user experience, if an ethernet interface has a carrier it gets up automatically, and if a wireless interface is up it connects to any known ap it remembers
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2163[13:01:55] <Brimonk> That's what I remember.
2164[13:02:03] <Brimonk> (that's what happens on my laptop)
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2167[13:02:48] <Brimonk> It also created a second eth0 interface.
2168[13:03:02] <Brimonk> Or, profile, or whatever inside of network-manager
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2172[13:03:38] <teraflops> I know NM has a share connection thing, never tried though
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2174[13:04:23] <Brimonk> Are there any files that could be defining my network interfaces other than /etc/network/interfaces ?
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2179[13:05:59] <teraflops> Brimonk: for sharing wired via wireless you can use hostapd+dnsmaq. for sharing wireless via wired just use iptables and bridge all your ethernet nics.
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2189[13:07:23] <teraflops> for the latter youll need something for offering addresses via dhcp
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2193[13:10:22] <jelly> dagerik: which MTA are you using? postfix maps root's mail to user nobody and delivers to /var/mail/nobody. This reduces the attack surface for the mail delivery agent (MDA), it does not have to run as root any more
2194[13:11:21] <dagerik> jelly: exim
2195[13:11:37] <dagerik> calendar -f calendar is not reading my entries in ~/calendar
2196[13:11:46] <dagerik> example entry: 6/24 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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2207[13:21:25] <jelly> I guess exim may be doing something similar.
2208[13:22:20] <gryffus> hello, i was doing dist-upgrade via SSH on my server and the connection was interrupted. After login i can see whiptail in ps waiting for some confirmation. Is there a way i can continue the dist-upgrade or tell whiptail to continue please?
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2213[13:26:15] <pfote> ups sorry, wrong window
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2220[13:29:35] <jelly> gryffus: only if you remembered to run it inside screen or tmux (but then you wouldn't be asking this question)
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2222[13:30:27] <Draggin> Good afternoon! I've been really struggling with my Wi-Fi connection on Debian 8.3 for a while now and I've been unable to find anything to assist. Most of the articles I found talk about removing networkmanager and using only WICD. I've never used networkmanager on this machine - always only wicd, but the machine just suddenly stopped connecting to any wi-fi networks. It keeps claiming the password is wrong (I have double-checked this multiple times and
2223[13:30:27] <Draggin> re-entered as well - it's definitely not wrong). It's also not the wi-fi card, because if I boot into a live CD, I can access my network via Wi-fi without any hassle. Does anyone have any ideas? I've got it hooked up via LAN cable at the moment, but I'm travelling in less than a month and I really need the wi-fi to be up and running by then.
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2225[13:31:08] <jelly> gryffus: kill whiptail, let dpkg and apt die on its own, then clean up dpkg and apt state with "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" and redo the command. Preferably inside screen this time.
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2234[13:34:07] <gryffus> jelly: thank you
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2245[13:39:11] <no_gravity> Will "apt-get clean" remove the files in /var/cache/apt?
2246[13:39:21] <no_gravity> And if so, is it a good idea to do that?
2247[13:39:35] <bibble> Yep, it's good.
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2249[13:39:53] <eikasem> how can i automatically on install, or retroactively via cronjob install -doc packages for all installed packages? i have noticed that appending -doc doesn't always work
2250[13:39:55] <Brimonk> no_gravity: pro tip, you can read the man page for that.
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2252[13:40:03] <bibble> Just freeing space. Don't really need to keep them.
2253[13:40:11] <no_gravity> bibble: Ok. Why is that stuff there in the first place?
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2255[13:40:38] <teraflops> It's called cache
2256[13:40:43] <bibble> Just bandwidth saving for if you uninstalled and then reinstalled again.
2257[13:40:55] <no_gravity> Why cache it after it is installed?
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2261[13:42:10] <teraflops> If cache exists before you download packages , it's not linux it's just magic
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2263[13:42:54] <no_gravity> I sense that you are being funny. But I am from Germany. We do not have humor here.
2264[13:43:08] <jelly> no_gravity: a copy of package that has been installed can be useful if things go wrong, eg: fs corruption or human error necessitating reinstalltion (of the exact same version)
2265[13:43:16] <teraflops> no_gravity: you also dont make any sense
2266[13:44:15] <no_gravity> jelly: I see. So yeah... well, it's easy to find in case disk space is needed (like in my case right now) so I guess it's an ok system.
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2268[13:46:54] <teraflops> All package managers do that way. Hmm i found some cento systems where i had to enable it though
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2270[13:47:43] <Abbott> I would like to natively install debian on my old android phone with an unlocked bootloader. How realistic is that? Would it just be a matter of installing the .booting and .img to the phone with some pre-installed options to let the phone display correctly and connect to wifi and stuff?
2271[13:48:03] <Abbott> .bootimg*
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2295[13:57:29] <asperon> hi, i am trying a multiarch upgrade from i386 to amd64 and it went well until i tried to covert my i386 packages to amd64 via get/set selection. Now apt tells me that E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
2296[13:57:29] <asperon> and there are a bunch of libs etc that aren't set as installed? is there a way i can cancel this whole operation and get back to the point before i did the -set-selection?
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2298[13:59:58] <asperon> perhaps i just found the answer: replaced-url
2299[14:01:30] <iKarith> That is something I would never attempt in-place. Hat's off to you.
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2312[14:05:24] <f-a> I am doing the usual apt-get update/upgrade of the week and I get
2313[14:05:28] <f-a> The following packages have been kept back: iceweasel
2314[14:05:42] <f-a> (debian jessie)
2315[14:05:49] <f-a> should I worry?
2316[14:06:50] <iKarith> f-a: iceweasel is getting renamed firefox-esr, see if that's available to be installed
2317[14:06:57] <iKarith> if so, you want it.
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2319[14:07:51] <asperon> iKarith: well, in hindsight perhaps i shouldn't have, but now there is no backing out :)
2320[14:07:52] <iKarith> f-a: that'll upgrade your iceweasel too, since that's a transition package now.
2321[14:08:18] <iKarith> asperon: what's the worst that could happen? ;)
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2323[14:08:36] <asperon> iKarith: something like this ;)
2324[14:08:42] <themill> f-a: you need to dist-upgrade not just upgrade (or use aptitude or apt)
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2326[14:09:12] <iKarith> themill: aptitude will hold by default too
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2329[14:10:41] <f-a> thanks iKarith themill , I thought dist upgrade was only to upgrade from a stable to a stable (say wheezy->jessie)
2330[14:11:21] <themill> aptitude will install new packages
2331[14:11:50] <themill> f-a: no, dist-upgrade just permits the installation of new packages and removal of existing package as part of the upgrade
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2333[14:12:13] <iKarith> themill: aptitude seems to have ONE solution by default to any upgrade that isn't simple: REMOVE LIBC!
2334[14:12:20] <iKarith> or base-files
2335[14:12:28] <iKarith> or something equally WTF.
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2338[14:12:50] <iKarith> Option #2 is to install the obvious thing that fixes the problem.
2339[14:12:56] <asperon> this is just like installing rpm of old :)
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2342[14:13:05] <iKarith> but option #1 is remove crap that ought not be removed.
2343[14:13:29] <iKarith> It's like, "That's Essential: Yes FOR A REASON!"
2344[14:13:44] <themill> pastebin or it didn't happen.
2345[14:13:53] <themill> (and we're talking about stable here)
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2347[14:15:00] <iKarith> ...did the libgnutls3.0 upgrade ever get pushed into stable?
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2350[14:15:19] <iKarith> Because if you didn't dist-upgrade, that broke a LOT of stuff.
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2352[14:15:30] <f-a> thanks themill , now it is clear
2353[14:15:48] <iKarith> Memory says it did a point release or two ago.
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2355[14:16:17] <themill> a new soname like that doesn't appear in stable
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2361[14:18:41] <iKarith> nonetheless, aptitude does not by default install new or upgrade old packages to resolve conflicts. The default choice is always offer to remove the package you asked it to upgrade, with option #2 being to install/upgrade other things to make it work.
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2365[14:20:09] <iKarith> installing new? That's fine, it'll pull in dependencies just fine. Upgrading when there is no conflict? Does that too.
2366[14:20:48] <iKarith> If there's a dependency on a package that isn't yet selected to also be upgraded, nope, the first resolution is always to start removing packages.
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2442[14:46:12] <xhoy> hi there!
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2444[14:47:54] <xhoy> i just intsalled debian 8.5 in a vmware player 12.1.1 as a guest on windows 7. When i go back to my windows desktop after (5?) minutes it goes to screen saver and automagical logs me out of my desktop and kills all apps
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2449[14:50:34] <Iridos> screen savers don't log you out
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2459[14:54:45] <spleen> Hello all
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2461[14:54:57] <spleen> I have a question concerning proftpd
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2464[14:55:16] <spleen> i need to have a different chroot for one specific user
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2466[14:55:44] <spleen> actually, i have DefaultRoot ~
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2469[14:56:20] <spleen> but for user test i would need to chroot something like that : '../../'
2470[14:56:34] <spleen> to allow to up 2 folders
2471[14:56:44] <spleen> any idea ?
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2473[14:58:58] <xhoy> Iridos: i would think that my screen is blinking at the same time :P
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2482[15:04:13] <Guest68935> !help
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2484[15:04:57] <Guest68935> !nick brimonk
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2496[15:07:15] <dankeast> I'm occasionally getting corrupt characters with Jessie. I'm running Gnome, 64bit. I'm on 8.5. I've definitely noticed it most in Firefox, but I think I've seen it elsewhere too. As soon as a scroll the text off the screen and back on the character is fine again.
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2498[15:07:39] <dankeast> I don't even know where to start looking...
2499[15:07:51] <jelly> dankeast: which gpu, intel?
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2501[15:08:00] <dankeast> yeah, it's a thinkpad t400
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2506[15:08:37] <jelly> what's that, core2 generation?
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2508[15:09:03] <dankeast> yep
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2510[15:09:30] <dankeast> $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model\ name | uniq
2511[15:09:30] <dankeast> model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz
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2513[15:10:35] <jelly> don't expect too much from video-intel drivers with that old a gpu
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2515[15:11:10] <asperon> trying to manually install cyrus on my box after messing up apt, it depends on Package default-mta and Package mail-transport-agent, neither of which are installed and they aren't available on packages.debian.org, how get a recreate them?
2516[15:11:53] <dankeast> ah, shame. i think it was fine until 8.5, i guess there was a kernel bump?
2517[15:12:44] <jelly> oh, that's weird, you didn't have the same issue since jessie released?
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2520[15:13:27] <dankeast> well... i could be wrong. but i certainly didn't notice it before the 8.5 update, and i'm seeing it quite a lot. several times a day
2521[15:13:44] <somiaj> only firefox?
2522[15:13:45] <jelly> asperon: you need one package from debian that Provides: mail-transport-agent ... why manual?
2523[15:13:56] <asperon> right, postifx i gues
2524[15:14:03] <jelly> yes, among others
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2526[15:14:08] <dankeast> this machine started with jessie, but it was 8.1 i think
2527[15:14:16] <asperon> @jelly: tried to do a multiarch move from 32bit to 64 bit and got apt all messed up
2528[15:14:29] <somiaj> dankeast: is this only in firefox, or other apps as well?
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2533[15:15:28] <dankeast> somiaj, i think i might have seen it in the terminal
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2535[15:15:51] <dankeast> but if i have it was once, and i'm not sure. firefox it's happening fairly regularly
2536[15:15:53] <jelly> somiaj: not all apps trigger corruption in ttf rendered fonts, it's more often notices with apps that use lots of different sizes and faces
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2538[15:16:12] <jelly> noticeable*
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2540[15:17:23] <somiaj> jelly, dankeast: I was just wondering if it could be with the upgrade to firefox-esr and how it interacts with his hardware vs a kernel change (both of which happened in 8.5, but the kernel chanage should have been very minor in comparision).
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2542[15:17:57] <somiaj> dankeast: I guess if you think it is a kernel regression you can get the old kernel package from snapshot.debian.org and see if it makes a difference. I woudln't run the old kernel but it is worth a test.
2543[15:18:20] <dankeast> thanks, i'll have a play
2544[15:18:23] <jelly> if one compares firefox 38esr with 45esr then yes quite a bit has changed
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2547[15:19:30] <dankeast> i'm happy to have more information as much as anything, it's not exactly a major problem
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2550[15:19:56] <dankeast> but having a play around to investigate what's happening sounds fun
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2557[15:23:19] <dankeast> thanks for you help
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2561[15:26:22] <nachtvos> hello, I've been trying to open an image using "eog" via SSH, but I get the following error. Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
2562[15:26:22] <nachtvos> (eog:2390): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
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2565[15:27:00] <nachtvos> when on remote desktop it does open, with the same command. So I assume it has something to do that I am trying to open it on a network. any help would be useful
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2570[15:28:11] <somiaj> nachtvos: what do you mean by using ssh, if you ssh into the remote system, the $DISPLAY for the xserver won't be set up. Or are you talking about ssh -X?
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2572[15:28:55] <nachtvos> normal ssh, could you elaborate on $DISPLAY or link me where I could read more on this subject?
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2574[15:29:16] <xhoy> replaced-url
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2577[15:29:39] <xhoy> it seems that it logs in (to a clean session? since my programs are closed) and then it goes back to the login screen
2578[15:29:40] <somiaj> nachtvos: when you ssh to a remote server, you only have shell/console access. And if you tried to run a command it would run it (and display it) on the monintor on the remote server (is this what you are wanting)?
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2582[15:30:02] <nachtvos> somiaj: yes sir, that is exactly what I want
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2585[15:30:16] <asperon> this is what apt tells me now, any way around this without installing all the missing dependencies by hand? replaced-url
2586[15:30:21] <nachtvos> somiaj: I am running a raspberry pi and want to open an image on it. (has HDMI connected)
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2588[15:30:30] <somiaj> nachtvos: $DISPLAY=":0" command (that should work provided it is run as the user who owns/controls the dispaly on the remote server)
2589[15:30:53] <greycat> somiaj: no $
2590[15:31:05] <greycat> and you may need to export, depending on the context
2591[15:31:10] <somiaj> greycat: thanks (note I had a syntax error nachtvos)
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2593[15:31:41] <nachtvos> yes guys, thanks. I just tried it out after using DISPLAY=":0"
2594[15:31:49] <nachtvos> still getting the same error.
2595[15:31:57] <greycat> try 'export DISPLAY=:0' instead
2596[15:32:41] <alechk0> hello, I'm having trouble with pulseaudio on jessie, I have headphones attached to front jack, and I can see from pavucontrol/Output devices the audio playing with Port:Headphones(plugged in), but there's no sound coming out from the headphones.
2597[15:32:42] <somiaj> and :0 is only the default display, that may not be correct in some situations, you may have to figure out the correct display if that isn't working, and xorg has to be running as well for that to work.
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2599[15:33:16] <alechk0> using VLC player, I can choose manual ALSA front output, and the audio is playing normally, but via pulse not working
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2602[15:33:39] <nachtvos> I now recieve the following error: No protocol specified
2603[15:33:39] <nachtvos> ** (eog:2430): WARNING **: Could not open X display
2604[15:33:39] <nachtvos> No protocol specified
2605[15:33:39] <nachtvos> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
2606[15:33:39] <nachtvos> (eog:2430): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
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2610[15:33:55] <nachtvos> oops! sorry.
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2612[15:34:30] <greycat> nachtvos: are you running whatever-command-this-is as a different user from the one who started the current X session?
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2614[15:35:24] <nachtvos> I am not running an X session but a normal SSH session. I have a python function which only runs the OS command. aka os.system("sudo eog --fullscreen logo_museumboerhaave.png")
2615[15:35:41] <nachtvos> running and executing as root
2616[15:36:17] <greycat> You have to *have* an X server running in order to run an X client. exporting DISPLAY just tells the client where to connect.
2617[15:36:20] <alechk0> could anyone help me setup pulseaudio to proper output? I've tried to reinstall/reconfigure, removed ~/.config/pulse/* several times and restarted pulseaudio, but it's not working
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2620[15:36:54] <nachtvos> alright, I am gonna read up some more on X server and how to use it. Thanks for the help. Will comeback if I don't get anywhere.
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2629[15:38:27] <nachtvos> I don't want to open the image through my raspberry pi on my Windows box btw. I only want to open the image through SSH on my raspberry pi which has an HDMI cable connected to it.
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2642[15:47:05] <eurodont125ml> hi there
2643[15:47:32] <eurodont125ml> how do i find out on a debian based distribution like antiX if it does support my ssd well
2644[15:47:45] <greycat> By asking the antiX channel.
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2646[15:47:59] <eurodont125ml> no one is there small channel
2647[15:48:14] <eurodont125ml> i thought maybe you guys have a hint
2648[15:48:17] <towo^work> no
2649[15:48:22] <towo^work> because antix is not debian
2650[15:48:27] <towo^work> so not supported here
2651[15:48:40] <eurodont125ml> maybe not by you
2652[15:48:46] <eurodont125ml> maybe others like to be helpful
2653[15:48:49] <greycat> No, it's not supported here by anyone/
2654[15:48:50] <towo^work> no, by the channel
2655[15:49:01] <towo^work> the channel is #debian, not antix
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2657[15:49:15] <eurodont125ml> so you two guys are the admins in here?
2658[15:49:41] <eurodont125ml> or how can you speak for the whole channel?
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2661[15:49:59] <themill> eurodont125ml: you've got your answer, please stop taking advantage of volunteer's time.
2662[15:50:00] <towo^work> because we follow the channel rules
2663[15:50:27] <eurodont125ml> obviously you are pretty closed minded here
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2666[15:50:56] <themill> eurodont125ml: this channel is where people who know about debian can help people who use debian
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2676[15:56:36] <Lowl3v3l_> themill, mind me quoting you in #manjaro?
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2685[15:57:38] <asperon> guess since nobody replied that the only way to get out of this is to install the missing dependencies manually? replaced-url
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2688[15:58:22] <greycat> Since you didn't bother to say what the issue is, what version of Debian you're running, or what you were trying to install, I just figured you have a frankendebian and didn't click.
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2690[15:58:48] <greycat> Odds are greatly in my favor, based on past experience.
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2695[15:59:10] <Iridos> it's not as if there were any warnings when you create one
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2737[16:16:44] <somiaj> nachtvos: if you want to use an xorg app, you have to have an xorg session running on the raspberry pi to do this.
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2741[16:17:05] <brimonk> somiaj: I believe so.
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2744[16:17:55] <ploynog> I have a Debian Jessie box with systemd here that is supposed to mount some NFS filesystems, those are defined in /etc/fstab. All those mounts fail at boot because (according to the log) rpcbind and all the NFS common things are started after the mount attempts. I can mount those directories by hand afterwards but I wonder why the order is wrong.
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2748[16:19:25] <windows10-user> pencilandpaper:
2749[16:19:26] <windows10-user> hey
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2756[16:21:32] <mimtf> find / > allfiles.txt 2> /dev/null <——— why null file don’t have anything?
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2761[16:22:12] <greycat> /dev/null is a black hole where you write things that you never want to see
2762[16:22:22] <greycat> 2>/dev/null means "don't show me any errors"
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2765[16:22:44] <mimtf> oh great greycat
2766[16:23:00] <mimtf> you give me good explanation.
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2769[16:23:18] <asperon> greycat: sorry, i am trying to do a multiarch upgrade from 32 to 64 bits, and apt kinda broken down in the middle
2770[16:23:32] <greycat> "cross grading" is not supported.
2771[16:23:38] <mimtf> find / > allfiles_and_errors.txt 2>&1 <——— what & means exactly?
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2773[16:23:50] <greycat> If you make it work, update the wiki page saying what you did to make it work. Otherwise, oh well, reinstall.
2774[16:23:51] <mimtf> greycat:
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2777[16:24:28] <greycat> mimtf: you can't take one character out of the middle of a command and ask about that one character. It doesn't mean anything by itself. It only has its meaning as part of the entire word 2>&1
2778[16:24:38] <greycat> mimtf: replaced-url
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2781[16:24:47] <PHPanos> hello
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2784[16:25:28] <PHPanos> If I run some websites on a debian machine. How risky is it to apt-get upgrade the machine?
2785[16:25:32] <mimtf> & means address?
2786[16:25:35] <mimtf> greycat:
2787[16:25:56] <greycat> mimtf: No. 2>&1 means "duplicate stdout and make stderr be the duplicate"
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2792[16:26:41] <somiaj> PHPanos: provided you only use debian stable (jessie) sources, it is not risky. Debian stable is frozen and debian trys really hard to ensure there is no api/abi changes in a stable release.
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2795[16:26:56] <somiaj> PHPanos: just make sure you have 'jessie' in your sources.list and not 'stable'
2796[16:27:07] <somiaj> PHPanos: the same would be true if you had 'wheezy' instaed of jessie
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2798[16:27:36] <greycat> Every once in a while, an upgrade will bring an incompatible change within a stable release, but this has not happened for PHP in jessie.
2799[16:27:37] <PHPanos> somiaj: I seem to have "jessie main"
2800[16:27:50] <greycat> It did happen for Samba in jessie.
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2802[16:28:09] <greycat> It has happened for bind9 in the past, but I forget which release exactly.
2803[16:28:15] <somiaj> yea, debian tries to make it so such changes don't happen, there are unforntually examples where that is not the case.
2804[16:28:17] <mimtf> :| somiaj >> greycat :|
2805[16:28:41] <somiaj> PHPanos: if you have apt-listchanges installed you will get emailed and see a list of any change that is important, so you will be warned.
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2807[16:28:43] <greycat> mimtf: fuck you. I explained numberous times and linked you to the wiki page I wrote that explains even more.
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2810[16:28:51] <PHPanos> But generally, should I be nervous running upgrade on a "default" debian installation?
2811[16:29:05] <brimonk> s
2812[16:29:05] <greycat> No.
2813[16:29:11] <brimonk> Wrong window
2814[16:29:15] <somiaj> PHPanos: no, you should want to do it to ensure you have all the security fixes and are not prone to known vulnarbilities.
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2816[16:29:24] <mimtf> yeah your skill is lower thans somiaj :( i think so
2817[16:29:36] <greycat> *plonk*
2818[16:29:43] <PHPanos> somiaj: Thank you so much.
2819[16:29:53] <somiaj> PHPanos: again this is provided you only have debian jessie sources, you start mixing other sources (or use testing/unstable) it is a different world all together.
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2821[16:30:09] <PHPanos> somiaj: I only have the default ones
2822[16:30:24] <somiaj> PHPanos: also make sure you have security.debian.org sources
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2824[16:31:00] <PHPanos> somiaj: I do, thanks :)
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2827[16:32:26] <somiaj> mimtf: I'd listen to greycat, my impression is he manages debian boxes for $DAYJOB. I'm just a hobbiest who plays with debian in my spare time.
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2829[16:32:43] <mimtf> >1 and >2 is more likely closed to redirection definition.
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2831[16:32:52] <mimtf> somiaj: then you IQ is high
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2833[16:33:26] <somiaj> mimtf: >1 and >2 will rediect to files '1' and '2' in the curret directory, if you want to redirect to stdout or stderr that will not work as expected.
2834[16:33:28] <zinx> intuitive quality?
2835[16:33:41] <greycat> His question wasn't even about Debian. It was about Bourne/POSIX/Bash shell syntax, and I answered it thoroughly. And then he insulted me out of the blue.
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2839[16:35:01] <mimtf> somiaj: oh your explanation is correct thannks :)
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2846[16:38:11] <brimonk> Does anyone know how long the /var/log/wtmp file lasts? I just kind of want to know how reliable the 'last' command is.
2847[16:38:32] <greycat> you can see how often it rotates by checking ls -l /var/log/wtmp*
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2852[16:39:44] <greycat> ... and apparently it's actually configured in /etc/logrotate.conf ("monthly" is what it says)
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2854[16:40:14] <brimonk> But,I can make it longer than monthly, I assume.
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2859[16:40:53] <greycat> Editing logrotate.conf should work, but at some point you're going to have to use last -f /var/log/wtmp.1 or similar.
2860[16:41:09] <brimonk> I figured that.
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2862[16:41:12] <mimtf> echo file42 &> out_and_err == echo file42 > out_and_err 2>&1 somiaj ?
2863[16:41:18] <brimonk> I set it to 100 weeks of logs.
2864[16:41:20] <brimonk> Should be good.
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2871[16:45:26] <mimtf> anyway bash is not linux?
2872[16:45:46] <brimonk> mimtf: bash is simply an application.
2873[16:45:50] <uniTosch> Bash is a Shell that runs on multiple os.
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2876[16:46:27] <brimonk> greycat: I need your opinion. Why would I not want to use logrotate to manage regular backups?
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2879[16:47:05] <mimtf> ok thanks brimonk and Uninstall_
2880[16:47:08] <mimtf> uniTosch:
2881[16:47:30] <brimonk> mimtf: yw
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2883[16:48:19] <mimtf> regex is linux? then? brimonk ?
2884[16:48:26] <modwizcode> I have an issue with booting the debian installer on my desktop, if I use the hybrid image copied onto a USB flash drive the computer gets stuck in the POST test. For some reason Kali Linux's installer doesn't have the same issue.
2885[16:48:29] <PHPanos> When I try to install ntp, debian also tries to upgrade a package which causes a lot of errors. Any idea? replaced-url
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2887[16:49:35] <brimonk> mimtf: No. regex is simply a way to enumerate and check varied text. There's probably a better way to explain regex, but that's all I've gotten for that.
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2889[16:49:43] <brimonk> mimtf: Besides, you can use regex on windows.
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2891[16:50:24] <mimtf> oh thanks
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2896[16:52:19] <brimonk> mimtf: Be careful. I assume that people around here don't enjoy phony questions just for luls.
2897[16:52:57] <mimtf> :|
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2902[16:55:17] <doublehp> brimonk: i'd say that regexp is a familly of languages for filtering, atching and substitution of text
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2907[16:56:36] <PHPanos> Anyone?
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2909[16:56:55] <doublehp> nope
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2912[16:57:36] <uniTosch> !tell PHPanos about bat
2913[16:57:47] <brimonk> PHPanos: Let me get my cereal first, then I'll checkout your pastebin.
2914[16:58:10] <PHPanos> brimonk: Much appreciated. Thanks!
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2918[16:59:02] <PHPanos> uniTosch: I'll try to retrieve the info you want. Thanks!
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2930[17:03:09] <uniTosch> PHPanos, nvm, i missed your pastebin. It's not an apt Problem.
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2936[17:05:14] <brimonk> PHPanos: Just got back and popped up the pastebin.
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2939[17:05:34] <brimonk> PHPanos: I thought you said you were trying to install ntp...
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2942[17:06:04] <PHPanos> brimonk: I did at first, but it doesn't really matter which package I try to install/upgrade... Something is really broken :s
2943[17:06:31] <brimonk> PHPanos: I see...
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2947[17:08:21] <HaMsTeRs> ey, anyone alive?
2948[17:08:40] <HaMsTeRs> I'm using debian linux in an arm device :)
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2950[17:08:56] <HaMsTeRs> but I'm pretty new to this
2951[17:09:01] <HaMsTeRs> i need some help
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2954[17:09:22] <brimonk> PHPanos: That happens to every single package, correct?
2955[17:09:42] <brimonk> HaMsTeRs: Welcome!
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2958[17:10:06] <brimonk> HaMsTeRs: Let us know, and if someone knows how to answer (or has time to), they'll let you know.
2959[17:10:11] <HaMsTeRs> correct.
2960[17:10:14] <HaMsTeRs> I'm new to linux
2961[17:10:24] <HaMsTeRs> And here, I ould like to change some cool theme
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2963[17:10:33] <HaMsTeRs> I'm currently running XFCE4
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2965[17:10:46] <HaMsTeRs> I installed conky-manager. But still, the theme looks ugly
2966[17:11:01] <brimonk> HaMsTeRs: have you been to replaced-url
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2968[17:12:08] <PHPanos> brimonk: Yes!
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2970[17:12:21] <ChrisH> PHPanos: is it allways mysql to fail on stop? Like in line 34?
2971[17:13:05] <ChrisH> PHPanos: does systemctl and/or systemctl --failed show something?
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2975[17:13:56] <PHPanos> ChrisH: systemctl returns "Failed to list units: Connection timed out"
2976[17:14:01] <brimonk> PHPanos: I wonder if anything interesting were to show up in lsof. Like, run an 'lsof | grep myslq\
2977[17:14:21] <brimonk> PHPanos: or ... | grep apt
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2979[17:15:07] <ChrisH> PHPanos: looks like systemd is not running or no longer willing to interact... check ps -efl | grep systemd
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2982[17:15:46] <PHPanos> ChrisH: grep systemd returns multiple lines
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2986[17:16:23] <mimtf> grep is used at regex?
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2989[17:16:52] <ChrisH> PHPanos: What kind of system is it? Anyhing producitve or more a crash and burn box? Given the later _I_ would try to reboot.... for a production box I would start to check dmesg/logfiles and truss/strace on the systemd processes
2990[17:17:20] <ChrisH> mimtf: grep is able to use regular expressions
2991[17:17:35] <mimtf> oh good ChrisH :)
2992[17:17:37] <brimonk> mimtf: you can grep for regex patterns yes. I think you'd enjoy looking at the ed editor, which is where regex first showed up.
2993[17:17:58] <mimtf> ok thanks
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2995[17:18:24] <PHPanos> ChrisH: It's actually a production box. So I'm trying to be really careful :p
2996[17:18:43] <PHPanos> ChrisH: Somehow I think a reboot would solve the issue...
2997[17:19:10] <brimonk> PHPanos: Can you do anything with dpkg? I guess I'm not extremely familiar with the packaging system...
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2999[17:19:34] <brimonk> PHPanos: I'm just more curious if anything, but if it's a production machine, nevermind.
3000[17:20:02] <nikoma> any idea what could be causing why I suddenly can't press any key combinations with alt?
3001[17:20:11] <PHPanos> brimonk: Running just dpkg doesn't return any error at least...
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3003[17:20:20] <nikoma> for example ctrl+alt+F1
3004[17:20:22] <nikoma> etc...
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3007[17:20:39] <brimonk> PHPanos: Wait, you get NOTHING?
3008[17:20:51] <brimonk> PHPanos: I got a message sayingn that it needed an action to do anything.
3009[17:21:01] <PHPanos> brimonk: Exactly, I get the same
3010[17:21:06] <brimonk> PHPanos: Gotcha.
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3013[17:21:58] <somiaj> PHPanos: note, you can edit the postinstall script and comment out the invoke-rc.d lines so the script dosen't try to start/stop the service. And thus get the packge installed then dug the issues afterwards. The script is located in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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3015[17:22:24] <ChrisH> PHPanos: My personal suggestion would be: 1. reboot (most probably reset the box) 2. run apt-get install -f 3. run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade 4. install what ever you wanted 5. reboot again BTW, you DID check dmesg for opbvious things?
3016[17:22:29] <somiaj> PHPanos: dpkg --configure -a (that would probabaly give the error again)
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3024[17:23:58] <mimtf> grep '\bover\b' text <——> The winter is over. why both is mathed? i think that both don’t match
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3030[17:24:30] <PHPanos> somiaj: ChrisH: My initial issue was when trying to install ntp. Then I thought an sudo apt-get update + upgrade would solve it but it didn't. So I don't even want to upgrade all the packages (right now)... :P
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3032[17:24:54] <stan_man_can> Anyone have any tips on how to set a static ip on jessie? (Raspbian, but it should be similar no?)
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3036[17:25:57] <greycat> edit /etc/network/interfaces
3037[17:25:59] <brimonk> stan_man_can: You should be able to define all of the information you need within /etc/network/interfaces
3038[17:26:01] <PHPanos> ChrisH: Can I see dates in dmsg?
3039[17:26:03] <ChrisH> mimtf: man grep will anser it.
3040[17:26:08] <ChrisH> PHPanos: dmesg -T
3041[17:26:13] <brimonk> stan_man_can: or use network manager if you're masochistic.
3042[17:26:20] <stan_man_can> brimonk: CLI
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3044[17:26:30] <brimonk> stan_man_can: nmtui
3045[17:26:36] <brimonk> stan_man_can: comes with network-manager
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3047[17:26:42] <PHPanos> ChrisH: Now this may be something...
3048[17:26:47] <mimtf> grep '\bover\b' text <——> The winter is over. because ‘.’ is behind over.
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3051[17:27:33] <nikoma> I am back
3052[17:27:40] <ChrisH> PHPanos: you might want to paste more (or less) from dmesg to paste.debian.net
3053[17:27:51] <PHPanos> ChrisH: replaced-url
3054[17:28:19] <PHPanos> ChrisH: No space left on device...?
3055[17:28:25] <ChrisH> PHPanos: there you are: Disk full... or at least /run is filled up
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3058[17:29:04] <PHPanos> ChrisH: ah, that's why it cannot install/start services?
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3062[17:29:16] <mimtf> grep '\bover\b' text <——> The winter is over. because ‘.’ is behind over. somiaj
3063[17:29:21] <ChrisH> PHPanos: systemd is unhappy
3064[17:29:27] <mimtf> grep '\bover\b' text <——> The winter is over. why both is mathed? i think that both don’t match
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3066[17:29:32] <stan_man_can> brimonk: nevermind got it done by manually adding a few lines to the dhcpcd.conf
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3068[17:29:47] <ChrisH> mimtf: stopp pasting such uinrelated lines here. setup a usefull case and show in paste.debian.net
3069[17:29:51] <greycat> If /run is full, bad shit happens. Had that happen to me. There is a way to make journal do its thing in files instead of in /run....
3070[17:30:05] <mimtf> :|
3071[17:30:21] <greycat> This command: systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal
3072[17:30:49] <greycat> You'll probably have to reboot anyway though.
3073[17:30:50] <PHPanos> ChrisH: so can I clean it somehow? Or do I need to increase the space?
3074[17:30:52] <mimtf> greycat: you can help me?
3075[17:31:05] <ChrisH> mimtf: after you did that, we might be able to understand what you are doing.
3076[17:31:30] <PHPanos> greycat: Talking to me?
3077[17:31:37] <greycat> To whoever has a full /run
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3079[17:31:49] <mimtf> somiaj: > greycat instead of greycat >> somiaj help me greycat
3080[17:31:52] <PHPanos> greycat: Yepp :p
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3082[17:32:12] <brimonk> stan_man_can: Stay here for a bit. I'll need you
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3084[17:32:31] <PHPanos> greycat: Is that the best solution?
3085[17:32:33] <mimtf> somiaj: > greycat instead of somiaj >> greycat help me greycat
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3088[17:32:39] <ChrisH> dpkg: tell mimtf about ask
3089[17:32:48] <greycat> I don't know. It's what I did on my one system that does not have enough memory for this crap.
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3093[17:34:44] <PHPanos> greycat: I'll need to talk to my boss. He's usually the ones fixing stuff on the server... Anyhow... There are like 2-3 packages I don't want to upgrade when sudo apt-get upgrade failed. Is there a way to undo the upgrade?
3094[17:36:16] <PHPanos> Or should I just "hold" the packages I don't want to upgrade?
3095[17:36:50] <markybob> if he's the real admin do nothing.
3096[17:36:55] <nik0chan> Hi! I'm having a problem to configure my debian 8 apache 2.4 server to make SSO with a Windows 2003 R2 Active Directory using kerberos. The error log tell me: Client didn't delegate us their credential
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3102[17:37:58] <doublehp> update-grub does not see all my kernels; who can help ? replaced-url
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3105[17:38:30] <PHPanos> markybob: You're probably right
3106[17:39:30] <nik0chan> PHPanos, you can hold a package with: echo "package hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections
3107[17:39:40] <brimonk> PHPanos: Why would you NOT want to update 2-3 packages? I don't use linux for any production work, but why would you not want to update all of the things?
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3109[17:40:19] <PHPanos> brimonk: I think in total there's like 40 packages to be updated... And 3 of them are what makes our clients websites running, nginx, php and mysql.
3110[17:40:31] <brimonk> PHPanos: Gotcha.
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3112[17:40:52] <PHPanos> brimonk: It just seems like there are too many things that could go wrong. I could be wrong though... :p
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3114[17:41:19] <PHPanos> nik0chan: Thanks
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3116[17:41:21] <brimonk> PHPanos: It seems like you'll need to talk to business about getting more memory.
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3118[17:41:27] <brimonk> PHPanos: :D
3119[17:41:35] <PHPanos> brimonk: you mean space? =P
3120[17:41:53] <brimonk> PHPanos: That made me laugh more than it should have.
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3123[17:42:04] <PHPanos> brimonk: XD
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3125[17:42:45] <PHPanos> brimonk: So I have like 40 packages ready to be installed once I fix the "No space left on device" issue. Question is, can I revert the upgrade that hasn't even been made(what I know of)?
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3127[17:43:23] <PHPanos> brimonk: Or maybe I just need to upgrade them all after talking to my boss
3128[17:43:24] <greycat> PHPanos: you're trying to go backwards. That doesn't happen. Think about how to go forward instead.
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3130[17:43:47] <brimonk> PHPanos: What do you mean revert the upgrade that hasn't been made?
3131[17:44:14] <brimonk> PHPanos: If it hasn't been made, why does it need to be reverted?
3132[17:44:26] <PHPanos> brimonk: I think upgrading packages failed because of no space left on device, but it will try to force updates whenever I try to install other packages...
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3137[17:45:34] <PHPanos> greycat: You're probably right. upgrading all of the packages won't probably cause any problems at all, I'm just being paranoid =P
3138[17:46:34] <brimonk> PHPanos: Well, since you're feeling this paranoia, what you could do is go ask your customers (a good sample size or whatever) if they would have any problems with the upgrade.
3139[17:46:46] <markybob> it's still a production server with clients websites and you're not the real admin...call him
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3141[17:47:09] <brimonk> PHPanos: I'm not sure if that's how your business works, but I would basically go around and ask the people who would know for certain about upgrades breaking production.
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3143[17:47:15] <brimonk> PHPanos: and what markybob said.
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3145[17:47:53] <socomm> "Upgrading all the packages probably won't break nothing."
3146[17:47:57] <socomm> >_>
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3148[17:48:06] <PHPanos> socomm: Last famous words...
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3150[17:48:10] <greycat> The only noncompatible upgrade I am aware of in jessie is samba.
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3152[17:48:29] <greycat> Doesn't mean there aren't others, but that's the only one I know about.
3153[17:48:32] <markybob> apache really fucking sucked
3154[17:48:34] <ChrisH> PHPanos: thats what you have your test systems for.
3155[17:48:54] <greycat> I mean *within* jessie, 8.x to 8.y
3156[17:48:56] <markybob> "replace user modified config"...uh...who knows
3157[17:48:56] <socomm> PHPanos: You don't have a stating area?
3158[17:49:06] <socomm> PHPanos: You don't have a staging area ...........
3159[17:49:19] <PHPanos> socomm: We do, but it's not a complete clone of the production environment
3160[17:49:19] <greycat> Obviously an upgrade from wheezy *to* jessie is going to break a lot of shit, mostly apache.
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3162[17:49:42] <brimonk> PHPanos: Pro tip, you should get a full clone of production.
3163[17:49:52] <nikoma> now I found that even pressing combination alt+2 doesn't work
3164[17:49:57] <socomm> PHPanos: Why don't you hire/contract a system person to help?
3165[17:49:57] <nikoma> any idea what could be causing this?
3166[17:50:06] <nikoma> is this a broken keyboard?
3167[17:50:14] <brimonk> nikoma: Can you press Ctrl + Alt + PrtScrn + b ?
3168[17:50:35] * greycat wonders what Alt-2 is supposed to do, in what context.
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3170[17:50:39] <nikoma> what is it supposed to do?
3171[17:50:58] <socomm> nikoma: Flush your toilet.
3172[17:50:59] <nikoma> well I use alt to switch between windows in some programs
3173[17:51:04] <nikoma> but I tried it in xev
3174[17:51:07] <nikoma> when I hold alt
3175[17:51:08] <brimonk> nikoma: There are magic sysrq keys that can make your machine do things even when it's all locked up and whatnot (if they're enabled)
3176[17:51:09] <PHPanos> socomm: With this issue? My colleague can help, I just wanted to try fix this own my own. But since this is above my knowledge I will talk to him
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3178[17:51:11] <nikoma> and keep pressing 2
3179[17:51:14] <nikoma> then nothing happens
3180[17:51:24] <stan_man_can> i can’t tell you how many servers i’ve broke via “upgrading all packages shouldn’t hurt”
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3182[17:51:47] <greycat> nikoma: if this is a laptop, perhaps alt-2 does some laptop hardware thing like turning the speakers on/off
3183[17:51:49] <nikoma> interestingly alt+1 works
3184[17:52:08] <brimonk> Try Ctrl + Alt + F2. That'll get you to your TTY that I think you're going for. Press C + A + f7 to get back to graphics.
3185[17:52:11] <nikoma> it's a laptop, but laptop keyboard works fine, it's the external keyboard that's misbehaving
3186[17:52:12] <brimonk> (normally
3187[17:52:14] <nikoma> and it started just today
3188[17:52:22] <socomm> Alt+N usually used as keybinding to switch between tabs on a tabbed window.
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3192[17:52:34] <nikoma> ctrl+alt+f2 doesn't work
3193[17:52:38] <nikoma> that's what made me notice it
3194[17:52:42] <brimonk> nikoma: gotcha.
3195[17:52:44] <nikoma> and it used to work
3196[17:52:51] <socomm> nikoma: Can yous till do CTL+PG-UP/PG-DOWN?
3197[17:52:54] <brimonk> nikoma: Can you plug it into anything else?
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3199[17:53:14] <redguy> hey guys, where I can find debdiffs or a git tree for wheezy-lts maintained packages ?
3200[17:53:35] <redguy> glibc to be precise
3201[17:53:36] <somiaj> redguy: I think to get the diffs you will have to download the actual source package
3202[17:53:36] <nikoma> I can try it on my raspberry pi that I haven't used in some time
3203[17:53:44] <somiaj> redguy: the changelog should be included in the binary package.
3204[17:53:52] <brimonk> nikoma: Try it.
3205[17:54:01] <somiaj> redguy: you can also use packages.debian.org as well to get the debian patches
3206[17:54:02] <nikoma> ok, it will take a while
3207[17:54:04] <PHPanos> Can you guys check my pastebin when doing upgrade? replaced-url
3208[17:54:26] <PHPanos> What does it mean with "41 not fully installed or removed?"
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3211[17:55:07] <somiaj> redguy: replaced-url
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3213[17:55:51] <brimonk> PHPanos: greycat will probably be able to tell you.
3214[17:56:18] <brimonk> dsfaasfdsafafafdsafdsaf
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3216[17:56:28] <brimonk> Excuse me. Was testing network things.
3217[17:56:29] <somiaj> PHPanos: sounds like you have some packages not fully configured or in a strange state. What does 'apt-get -f install' want to do?
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3219[17:57:01] <redguy> somiaj: I am trying to track a regression bug which probably got there in deb7u11. Is there an easy way to get a diff from deb7u10?
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3221[17:57:35] <socomm> somiaj: Break his/her system.
3222[17:57:42] <markybob> it's hard to install packages when you have 0 free disk space
3223[17:57:42] <nikoma> ok, the keyboard behaves exactly the same on the rpi
3224[17:57:45] <PHPanos> somiaj: will that command try to force install stuff?
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3226[17:58:00] <nikoma> so it's either broken keyboard or ps/2 usb reduction I guess
3227[17:58:04] <somiaj> PHPanos: that command will try to fix any issues you have with packages not fully configured/installed on your system.
3228[17:58:07] <socomm> PHPanos: 'man apt-get'
3229[17:58:10] <brimonk> nikoma: So, It's probably the hardware.
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3231[17:58:29] <PHPanos> socomm: I know what apt-get is, just wanted to know what the -f would do
3232[17:58:34] <brimonk> nikoma: You could 100% figure it out if there were a windows machine or something around.
3233[17:58:51] <socomm> PHPanos: Do you know what 'man' is and what 'man apt-get' will display?
3234[17:58:52] <brimonk> PHPanos: That's for 'fix broken'
3235[17:59:15] <nikoma> there is, but it's too old and I am worried it will explode if I turn it on xD
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3237[17:59:34] <somiaj> redguy: check the changelog to see the actual changes, that will give you bugreports and various things that caused the changes. But I think there isn't just a patch provided that tells the differences, you may have to look at multiple debian patches for that.
3238[17:59:41] <brimonk> PHPanos: He's saying that you should have opened the man page, searched for '-f' (Pro tip, you can use '/' just like in vi for searching) then read it.
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3240[18:00:17] <ChrisH> PHPanos: you should allwys show the command and the full output on a paste... say n and renrun with -s like simulate to see what would happen
3241[18:00:21] <brimonk> Maybe not in vi. You can do it in vim though.
3242[18:00:30] <greycat> yes, in vi
3243[18:00:45] <brimonk> greycat: Is spellchecking also a thing in vi?
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3246[18:00:52] <PHPanos> brimonk: I understand that. And I am familiar with "man page" but I usually just google the command to get the accepted arguments. I guess I ask too much now because I'm not in my comfort zone :p
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3249[18:01:17] <redguy> will do that. Thanks somiaj
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3251[18:01:26] <brimonk> PHPanos: It's all good. You have to become the neckbeard and embrace the built in documentation.
3252[18:01:53] <somiaj> redguy: hmm the changelog I'm seeing seems to be behind, it only lists the 2.13-38+deb7u10 as the last change, check the one in /usr/share/doc/libc6 on a wheezy system if you have one
3253[18:02:06] <greycat> The problem with googling man pages is you don't necessary get the RIGHT man page that matches your version of the command.
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3255[18:02:23] <PHPanos> brimonk: You're right. I will just ask my colleague/boss if he thinks I just upgrade or not first.
3256[18:02:35] <PHPanos> greycat: Never thought of that. Thanks!
3257[18:02:47] <socomm> PHPanos: You're welcome.
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3259[18:02:54] <PHPanos> socomm: Thanks you too.
3260[18:03:06] <brimonk> PHPanos: The next step is to get more space for your server. ;)
3261[18:03:08] <somiaj> brimonk: not included in vi, but you can easily use vi to send the text file to aspell or ispell to be checked (And vi may have a shortcut to do this if one of those is installed)
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3264[18:03:44] <PHPanos> brimonk: Yes :)
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3266[18:03:48] <somiaj> brimonk: well vim, I don't use vi (which on debian is vim-tiny compiled with options for more traditional vi like control)
3267[18:04:07] <PHPanos> Thank you guys for helping me finding the cause of my issue. I really appreciate it.
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3270[18:04:40] <ChrisH> PHPanos: you should also check dpkg -l and I assume you will have several lines with uppercase or mixex upper/lower case charaters at the very beginning
3271[18:05:14] <PHPanos> ChrisH: yes I do
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3274[18:06:14] <ChrisH> PHPanos: Therefore to me there is real alternative then upgrading to get that clean and fixed... despite the fact internetfacing webservers must have the lateste OS versions installed
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3277[18:07:23] <PHPanos> ChrisH: There is or there is not?
3278[18:07:55] <ChrisH> PHPanos: there is no real alternative
3279[18:08:09] <PHPanos> ChrisH: I see!
3280[18:08:28] <mimtf> scripting is important?
3281[18:08:46] <PHPanos> ChrisH: you meant character like this: ii or iU?
3282[18:09:10] <PHPanos> for example: iU libgtk2.0-bin 2.24.25-3+deb8u1 amd64 programs for the GTK+ graphical user interface library
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3284[18:09:31] <greycat> gotta wonder why a web server would even have that
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3286[18:09:38] <ChrisH> PHPanos: yes. ii is fine. iU is not so bad, as only the configure is missing. run dpgk -l | head and read the lines at the beginning
3287[18:09:45] <brimonk> greycat: It's probably not running all of the time... Right?
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3289[18:10:11] <greycat> my wheezy web server has no packages with 'gtk' in their names, period
3290[18:10:42] <brimonk> greycat: What irc client are you using?
3291[18:10:56] <greycat> irssi, but I am not running it on the web server
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3294[18:11:03] <PHPanos> @ChrisH: replaced-url
3295[18:11:10] <greycat> I'm running it on a desktop computer that isn't even Debian (or even Linux)
3296[18:11:46] <brimonk> greycat: Do you know of any way that I could pop up vim while editing text in irssi? Kinda like how you can do Ctrl + x + e in bash and your $(EDITOR) will pop up?
3297[18:11:47] * sm00th gasps
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3299[18:11:57] <greycat> No, I don't. Ask #irssi.
3300[18:12:05] <brimonk> greycat: I'm on it!
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3304[18:12:51] <ChrisH> PHPanos: more interesting would be: dpkg -l | egrep -v -e "^ii"
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3307[18:13:15] <somiaj> brimonk: in a console? Use screen/tmux and just open another screen/window/whatever they are called
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3309[18:13:44] <PHPanos> ChrisH: replaced-url
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3313[18:14:52] <brimonk> somiaj: But, when I save the file in the editor, it should pop up here and send it, just like it 'subs' it off to bash in the bash shell.
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3316[18:15:24] <markybob> it means your clients sites are probably down now. your mysql-server is fucked
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3320[18:15:48] <ChrisH> PHPanos: you tried to replace chrony with ntp and removed ntp afterwards. Second you have currently a half broken mysql server.
3321[18:15:53] <PHPanos> markybob: They are not down...
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3323[18:16:17] <markybob> well then you have an angel looking out for you. seriously, call the fucking real admin
3324[18:16:45] <cableninja> mornin guys, I'm trying to install php5.5 (via dotdeb) on a jessie system, is there any way around this? "dpkg : Breaks: php5-fpm (< 5.6.4+dfsg-3~) but 5.5.36-1~dotdeb+7.1 is to be installed"
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3326[18:17:00] <ChrisH> cableninja: yes. do not use stuff from dotdeb
3327[18:17:01] <somiaj> !dotdeb
3328[18:17:01] <dpkg> replaced-url
3329[18:17:11] <PHPanos> markybob: I will do it right now
3330[18:17:17] <somiaj> cableninja: we don't really support dotdeb packages, you will have to contact them about their packges.
3331[18:17:22] <cableninja> ok
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3335[18:17:48] <somiaj> cableninja: in general we think they are poor quality and shouldn't be used. In this case you have a conflict between the version in jessie and the version in dotdeb you have to sort out.
3336[18:18:31] <greycat> why are you trying to use a 3rd party side to installer OLDER versions of php than what debian has in stable?
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3338[18:18:34] <somiaj> cableninja: i.e. you will have to get the php5-fpm package from dotdeb to be compadabile with the php from them.
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3341[18:19:14] <greycat> I could understand if you were trying to get newer version, but older is weird.
3342[18:19:17] <cableninja> greycat deployment requirements for old systems
3343[18:19:24] <cableninja> or old code rather
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3345[18:19:56] <greycat> Man, I am making so many typos lately :(
3346[18:20:44] <brimonk> greycat: That's what you get for not being on Debian rn.
3347[18:20:48] <somiaj> php upgrades seem to break many webpages and thus there is always someone needing a version not provided by debian....the real solution would be fix the actual php code, but many go down the route of using the version of php (even if insecure) that supports their code. :/
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3349[18:21:15] <cableninja> somiaj, unfortunately in this case, fixing the code would mean spending years of dev time
3350[18:21:21] <somiaj> cableninja: does the version of php in wheezy support the code?
3351[18:21:30] <brimonk> Is there a limit to how much text you can put put in irc in one go?
3352[18:21:43] <greycat> Yeah, it's ~250 bytes.
3353[18:21:53] <somiaj> brimonk: each line has a character limit. Though there are scripts to split long lines up to avoid this
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3355[18:21:57] <cableninja> yes, in wheezy it works (using dotdeb)
3356[18:22:14] <cableninja> I'd prefer jessie though
3357[18:22:14] <somiaj> cableninja: I wasn't suggeting dotdeb I was suggesting the actual version in wheezy
3358[18:22:18] <somiaj> ,v php5
3359[18:22:19] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze29; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u3; jessie: 5.6.20+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.22+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.22+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.22+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.22+dfsg-2;
3360[18:22:20] <judd> stretch: 5.6.22+dfsg-2
3361[18:22:27] <greycat> cableninja: well in any case, purging the jessie php package and then installing the 3rd-party ones should resolve the conflicts
3362[18:22:29] <cableninja> oh
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3364[18:22:33] <cableninja> I'd have to pull it from snapshots
3365[18:22:35] <somiaj> cableninja: i.e. would version 5.4.45 work, or are you tied to 5.5?
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3367[18:22:44] <cableninja> must be 5.5
3368[18:22:50] <cableninja> and even worse, I have to find a 5.2 later
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3374[18:23:25] <somiaj> cableninja: okay, my suggestion was if wheezy 5.4 supported it use that, as the wheezy-lts team will provide security support for wheezy for a few more years.
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3377[18:23:51] <somiaj> cableninja: needing a version outside of debian, you won't get much help here in #debian exepct comments about you should use a version in debian.
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3379[18:24:47] <somiaj> cableninja: and also if wheezy is working fine, wheezy will be supported and have seucrity fixes for server packages so you don't have to feel the presure to upgrade to jessie.
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3381[18:25:28] <cableninja> fair enough, was just trying to install this on the latest without having to do a reinstall
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3388[18:26:33] <brimonk> I'm back.
3389[18:26:38] <brimonk> 1/
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3395[18:28:10] <mimtf> `echo -n hello` <—— why ‘ is used?
3396[18:28:16] <mimtf> i don’t know :(
3397[18:28:42] <brimonk> mimtf: `` is an old form of like, bash expansion. It's the same as doing $() around whatever.
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3401[18:28:59] <brimonk> mimtf: I say 'the same'. It's similar, but the ` is outdated.
3402[18:29:34] <mimtf> ‘ is outdate?
3403[18:29:59] <ChrisH> mimtf: stuff between ` ` is executed and evaluated. works in most shells I know. unsure about csh and co
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3406[18:31:01] <PHPanos> I just want to thank you all again for your support. I just called my colleague and it sounded like he would solve it. He has fixed that kind of issue before.
3407[18:31:04] <PHPanos> :)
3408[18:31:39] <mimtf> echo `echo hello` <——> echo hello what difference between them?
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3414[18:32:27] <ChrisH> first one forks at least one shell more and creates the same output... at least I expect it to happen.
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3418[18:33:22] <ChrisH> mimtf: you sometimes need to evaluate like ls $(echo $SOMEVAR | grep -v $NOUSESDIR)
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3420[18:33:35] <ChrisH> mimtf: but this is not on-topic here.
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3422[18:33:48] <mimtf> oh yeah thanks
3423[18:33:52] <mimtf> ChrisH: :)
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3430[18:36:14] <brimonk> Well, I'm going to catch some zzzz's. I'll be back in a bit.
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3435[18:38:26] <neilthereildeil> hi
3436[18:38:36] <neilthereildeil> how can i find which driver my webcam is using?
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3438[18:39:53] <somiaj> dmesg is a good place to look for info about what the kernel is doing/using
3439[18:40:03] <somiaj> (though it can be very long list, you have ot parse)
3440[18:40:45] <ChrisH> neilthereildeil: just found lsusb -t might help
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3455[18:43:28] <neilthereildeil> ChrisH: i dont see anything
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3458[18:43:51] <neilthereildeil> however, /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:00:1a.0-usb-0:1.5:1.0-video-index0 gives clues
3459[18:43:58] <neilthereildeil> this is integrated into my laptop screen
3460[18:44:15] <ChrisH> neilthereildeil: Class=Video, Driver=uvcvideo, 480M is what my webcams show
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3471[18:48:01] <mimtf> ChrisH: echo $(var1=5;echo $var1) you means that this var1 value isn’t saved to current command line, but it saved sub command line?
3472[18:48:17] <mimtf> right?
3473[18:48:19] <neilthereildeil> the reason i am trying to find my camera driver is so i can build a kernel with the required driver
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3476[18:48:37] <neilthereildeil> is there any other way i can find the driver?
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3478[18:48:44] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: oh you aren't using the default debian kernel, then it may not detect/load it automatically.
3479[18:48:55] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: I too am using uvcvideo for my webcam
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3481[18:49:02] <neilthereildeil> right now im booted to stock kernel
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3487[18:49:15] <neilthereildeil> but when i boot my custom kernel, it doesnt see it
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3489[18:49:17] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: and lsusb -t didn't list the webcam?
3490[18:49:21] <mimtf> echo $(var1=5;echo $var1) you means that this var1 value isn’t saved to current command line, but it saved sub command line? <—— somiaj this is right?
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3492[18:49:27] <neilthereildeil> i think its running an infinite loop
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3494[18:49:35] <neilthereildeil> its been running a couple minutes at 100% CPU
3495[18:49:47] <neilthereildeil> maybe following symlinks around /dev?
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3497[18:49:56] <somiaj> mimtf: there is #bash which may give better help. I don't know the details in this case, but what you say seems reasonable, I cannot verify it
3498[18:50:10] <somiaj> mimtf: you can though, echo $(var1=5; echo $var1) && echo $var1
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3501[18:50:54] <neilthereildeil> what module should i enable in kernel to support this hardware?
3502[18:51:25] <ChrisH> mimtf: replaced-url
3503[18:51:49] <mimtf> thanks somiaj and ChrisH
3504[18:51:50] <mimtf> :)
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3529[19:00:10] <jhutchins> Is it possible to turn off checking the permissions on ssh config files?
3530[19:00:59] <Iridos> it's a security feature
3531[19:01:20] <Iridos> but it's open source... so, obviously you can change it and compile your own
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3535[19:02:05] <Guest32364> Hello, question about syslog. I'm using systemd-journal with the ForwardToSyslog option enabled. I get double entries when logging something once, i do this to facility local6.
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3542[19:02:52] <Guest32364> in journalctl doesn't suffer from this odd behavior
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3556[19:09:31] <jhutchins> Iridos: I was hoping for a config/cli option; because there are filesystems where the "correct" permissions can't be set.
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3562[19:10:50] <kewiha> I have a Debian box with Dual Intel NICs and WITHOUT VT-D or whatever the fancy virt extensions are. I want to install PFSense (a firewall OS) in a VM on my Debian box, and pass it those NICs
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3564[19:11:01] <somiaj> jhutchins: you are using non nix filesystems for $HOME, or is this an issue with sshing from a windows box? (I think it would deal with its keys in a way that was compadiable)
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3566[19:11:03] <kewiha> Is this something I should be doing?
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3568[19:12:11] <somiaj> kewiha: sure, you can give the whole nic to the virt just fine. Only issue I could see without the virt extensions is it will be all software driven which may put some load on the host depending on how much work the firewall needs to do.
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3570[19:12:36] <kewiha> It's a core i3-4150 that doesn't do much otherwise
3571[19:13:03] <somiaj> are you sure you don't have the virt extensions. I guess intel chips are a bit more common to not include them (I'm more use to amd)
3572[19:13:07] <kewiha> I'll be connecting one end to my modem, "plug directly into the internet" so to speak
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3574[19:13:26] <kewiha> No, need Xeon, or some i5/i7
3575[19:13:37] <Iridos> jhutchins, LD_PRELOAD ?
3576[19:13:44] <kewiha> I have the VT-X ones, not VT-D, or whichever is the worse of the two
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3580[19:15:09] <kewiha> I could scrounge up another box for this, but I'd need dual nics. How does KVM or other virt software handle drivers? The firewall OS is horrible with Realtek NICs for example, would the firewall OS be interacting with the Realtek NIC, or just passing along packets to a virtual interface?
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3582[19:17:07] <somiaj> kewiha: sems VT-X and VT-D do different things, so my initial though was incorrect, you'll get the cpu support. vt-d seems to support more i/o and unsure how much of that helps with nics (or it is more disks)
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3586[19:18:24] <somiaj> kewiha: just make sure you enable the vt-x in your bios for the extra support. Since I think most will be cpu driven and the nic can be given the the vm, I don't think you'll have to many issues (disclaimer: I have no expreience doing this, so unsure if there is anything i'm overlooking)
3587[19:18:25] <kewiha> vt-d does hardware passthrough for feeding PCIE GPUs to a VM afaik, I think that's what I'd be doing here
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3589[19:19:16] <kewiha> ok, how do I do the nic passthrough with KVM in such a way that it won't compromise the debian host (so debian can't connect to the internet directly)
3590[19:19:35] <Iridos> jhutchins, colleagues recently made a LD_PRELOAD hack, because lustre returns random error-codes when you do mkdir on a directory that already exists (including permission denied) ... I just looked, that's a 60 line C thingy
3591[19:19:44] <somiaj> kewiha: I think passing the network card via a bridge or is fairly common and I don't think it will cause to much of a slow down to not have vt-d
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3597[19:20:59] <somiaj> kewiha: I do it via a bridge, but look at libvirt it seems to have lots of nice tools for this
3598[19:21:15] <kewiha> somiaj: so bridge is the keyword I'm looking for? How do I stop the host from using the NICs I pass through?
3599[19:21:24] <somiaj> kewiha: you can either bridge the device or use a virtual network, and I think you want a bridge
3600[19:21:48] <somiaj> kewiha: a bridge dosen't have to have an ip asssociated with it, so the host will just bridge the device (Afiak)
3601[19:22:04] <Iridos> jhutchins, or maybe you could abuse fakeroot to do it
3602[19:22:19] <kewiha> so from the Debian side then, how do I stop Debian from using the nic?
3603[19:22:44] <greycat> Edit /etc/network/interfaces
3604[19:22:48] <somiaj> kewiha: replaced-url
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3606[19:23:36] <kewiha> how do I not configure it on the host?
3607[19:23:59] <greycat> Remove the auto line for it in /etc/network/interfaces
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3610[19:24:32] <kewiha> So without the auto line, Debian can't possibly use that NIC, but a bridged VM can use it fairly natively?
3611[19:24:34] <greycat> or the allow-hotplug line, if you have that
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3616[19:25:24] <somiaj> kewiha: I don't know enough to have a good answer. I share my bridge with my guests, but I assume you could just just not give the bridge on the host an ip address
3617[19:25:34] <teraflops> kewiha: sometimes you need to blacklist the driver too (as in vga passthrough)
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3620[19:26:09] <kewiha> teraflops: won't blacklisting a driver cause identical nics to not work too?
3621[19:26:28] <cdb23ax> hello i have succesfully installed debian jessie on a igel ud3 thinclient. now i have the problem that the screensaver is active after 10 minutes.
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3625[19:27:34] <somiaj> kewiha: replaced-url
3626[19:27:48] <somiaj> kewiha: seems to suggest just give the bridge on the host the ip 0.0.0.0 and it is effecitvally disabled
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3628[19:27:59] <teraflops> kewiha: right but you can bypass using pcistub
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3630[19:28:18] <cdb23ax> i have the default gui installed i think its gnome and i cant find the option to disable the screensaver. i have succesfully disabled the lockscreen but the screensaver remains
3631[19:29:05] <kewiha> I think this might be too ambitious for a first step into VMs. Where is a good place to get an intel PCIE dual nic? Which models tend to work nicely?
3632[19:29:57] <cdb23ax> in the gnome control panel under power i only have options from 10minutes to 1hour but theres a option missing disable or never use screensaver
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3635[19:31:04] <teraflops> kewiha: hmm, if you plan pci passthrough what you want to know is if _guest_ supports the device not the host
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3637[19:32:27] <kewiha> teraflops: Can't PCIE passthrough on an i3-4150, I think
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3639[19:32:41] <kewiha> It's a supermicro server board so I'm good there, but I don't think the CPU will do it
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3643[19:35:28] <teraflops> kewiha: not sure about what you need, iirc you need vt-d, you better check it yourself
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3645[19:35:58] <jhutchins> Sorry, RL.
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3649[19:36:37] <jhutchins> somiaj: Yes, not a unix filesystem for home. Very Nearly Unix - and two out of three environments are fine, so potential to fix it.
3650[19:36:58] <jhutchins> somiaj: I was hoping that there was a config file or CLI switch that would skip strict permissions checking.
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3661[19:41:18] <kewiha> teraflops: definitely need VT-D
3662[19:41:25] <teraflops> yup
3663[19:41:42] <kewiha> I'm looking for a dual port PCIE intel NIC, any suggestions?
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3673[19:46:04] <sharkman> how do i add write permission to a file... chmod u+w foo.txt
3674[19:46:05] <sharkman> ?
3675[19:46:19] <greycat> that adds the write permission to the "u" set
3676[19:46:37] <greycat> which I think is owner? I always get mixed up on those damned letters. I use the octal numbers.
3677[19:46:59] <sharkman> im not sure, i see it on stackoverflow, but this is my server, so i want to make sure before i change it
3678[19:47:22] <teraflops> u user a all o others
3679[19:47:26] <greycat> What do you want the permissions on the file to be?
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3681[19:47:50] <koollman> u=user, g=group, o=other. not too hard
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3683[19:48:02] <teraflops> yeah koollman
3684[19:48:07] <teraflops> ^
3685[19:48:08] <greycat> The hard one is o=ownernowaitshitit'snot
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3688[19:48:36] <sharkman> oh i see
3689[19:49:21] <teraflops> yeah theres a o too
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3691[19:49:41] <greycat> anyway, most files should be rw-r--r-- = 644
3692[19:49:59] <greycat> there are exceptions of course
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3699[19:51:06] <sharkman> okay thanks
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3703[19:53:04] <gollak> Hi, All time when i start my computer i have to lauch this command to save in memory my private key :
3704[19:53:40] <gollak> ssh-agent && ssh-add /home/hugo/Documents/Keys/key.file
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3707[19:53:49] <greycat> Usually you add this stuff to your login.
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3709[19:54:03] <gollak> is there a way to lauch that at my computer start ?
3710[19:54:04] <greycat> And then you say "how" and we have to ask "Well, how do you login"?
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3715[19:54:43] <greycat> And then there's some long back and forth before we finally figure out that you're using gdm3, or lightdm, or whatever you are using....
3716[19:55:24] <greycat> And then we hope someone who knows a few things actually uses whichever *dm you're using so they can answer you.
3717[19:55:45] <teraflops> gollak: I do replaced-url
3718[19:55:58] <teraflops> meh that comma sorry
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3721[19:57:01] <greycat> So, gollak, how do you login?
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3728[20:02:26] <gollak> greycat, i have ubuntu : /etc/init.d/lightdm
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3732[20:03:46] <greycat> Then ask #ubuntu how to set up ssh-agent for your lightdm login.
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3739[20:06:52] <gollak> greycat, thanks !
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3742[20:07:35] <awwal> How to find out which pkg have created X file not hidden in my /home ? I have a non hidden plain text file in my /home named 2 and inside I see 9080
3743[20:08:11] <greycat> Most likely you did it yourself by typing something at a shell prompt.
3744[20:08:32] <greycat> Packages generally do not place files in random users' home directories.
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3746[20:09:18] <doublehp> awwal: in short, impossible with distro tools; but with experience, WE, here, may have an idea
3747[20:09:30] <aria> is there a 'trick' to understanding dmesg logs?
3748[20:09:42] <aria> or do you just have to understand linux and system hardware in general
3749[20:09:44] <doublehp> aria: experience
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3751[20:09:49] <aria> shucks
3752[20:09:54] <greycat> The [numbers] are a timestamp in seconds since kernel booted. They are in chronological order. Beyond that, they can say anything at all.
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3754[20:10:40] <doublehp> aria: first field is some kind of date (usually, micro second since system startup , or CPU) ticks. The rest is a random output from random code
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3757[20:10:50] <awwal> right, but no clue how it can be created if one doesn't do that explicitly , greycat
3758[20:10:57] <awwal> doublehp, WE?
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3761[20:11:07] <doublehp> awwal: we, us, here
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3763[20:11:14] <awwal> oh, ok
3764[20:11:17] <doublehp> awwal: usually, this kind of files are typo we do in shell
3765[20:11:24] <greycat> awwal: you mistyped a shell command. Don't worry so much about it. Use the datestamp to see when you did it. Then remove the file.
3766[20:11:41] <doublehp> awwal: it's possible to backtrack if you have activated bash-logging (into syslog)
3767[20:11:44] <greycat> You probably typed >2 when you meant 2>
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3769[20:12:33] <doublehp> awwal: date of file gives you a clue; syslog will tell you what you typed exactly. bash-logging does not record scripts (says which script you ran manually; not commands run in bash scripts)
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3773[20:13:20] <greycat> syslog will not tell you
3774[20:13:49] <doublehp> greycat: don't tell it does not: I do it several times a week !!!
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3777[20:14:27] <greycat> IN A DEFAULT DEBIAN INSTALLATION, syslog does not spy on users' shell commands and record them in files.
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3780[20:14:49] <doublehp> greycat: default settings are unsecure and useless.
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3783[20:15:32] <doublehp> greycat: "if you have activated bash-logging "
3784[20:16:10] <greycat> Bash logs your commands in your own ~/.bash_history (with a size limit) so you can check there.
3785[20:16:26] <streulma> How can I upgrade qemu to latest version on Debian 8 Jessie ?
3786[20:16:53] <streulma> it don't accept -cpu Nehalem
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3788[20:17:03] <teraflops> streulma: you already have the latest version if you do apt-get upgrade
3789[20:17:07] <doublehp> greycat: i had to start using the bash-logging because the max limit for history was not even 2 weeks !!!
3790[20:17:18] <greycat> It's not time. It's number of commands.
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3793[20:17:34] <teraflops> streulma: latest _debian_ version
3794[20:17:34] <streulma> it's not the last build of Qemu, I have latest because fresh installed
3795[20:17:47] <doublehp> greycat: the max possible number of lines is about 9k; which I reach easily in 2 weeks
3796[20:17:52] <doublehp> sometimes in days
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3798[20:18:05] <teraflops> I said latest debian version not latest qemu version
3799[20:18:15] <doublehp> greycat: when I need to track commands sometimes 3y later
3800[20:18:20] <greycat> I'm not saying what you did is wrong, just that it's not the default behavior and so you can't tell users to look in syslog for things they won't have.
3801[20:18:24] <centrx> streulma: 2.5 is in backports
3802[20:18:40] <centrx> streulma: 2.6 is in testing/unstable, which you could try to backport yourself (/msg dpkg ssb)
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3818[20:28:19] <Killaklown> I need snmp-mibs-downloader
3819[20:28:22] <Killaklown> where can I find that?
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3822[20:30:11] <Killaklown> nvm
3823[20:30:13] <Killaklown> i'm outa here
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3851[20:44:13] <streulma> problem solved with installing from unstable
3852[20:44:27] <streulma> on a Raspberry Pi :-D
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3856[20:45:20] <sm00th> streulma, there is a debian arm distro? you don't run raspbian?
3857[20:45:43] <streulma> sm00th I run raspbian, but added unstable as a deb line
3858[20:45:50] <sm00th> ohh
3859[20:46:04] <sm00th> i'm upset there is no chromium arm version
3860[20:46:09] <sm00th> thinking of using this guys repo
3861[20:46:10] <streulma> there is too !
3862[20:46:16] <sm00th> streulma, really?
3863[20:46:19] <sm00th> how do I install it?
3864[20:46:19] <streulma> yes :-)
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3867[20:47:09] <sm00th> streulma, i was gonna use this guys repo replaced-url
3868[20:47:15] <sm00th> maybe we should talka bout this in offtopic
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3874[20:47:56] <streulma> sm00th I can even run Wine...
3875[20:48:23] <sm00th> streulma, how do you install chromium?
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3879[20:49:43] <dankeast> jelly somiaj it seems like switching the Intel graphics to uxa might have fixed the corrupt characters i was experiencing in jessie. There was a 20-intel.conf file in xorg.conf.d already though I have no recollection of creating it at all... am I going mad? I thought the files don't get generated anymore
3880[20:49:59] <streulma> sm00th I lost the link :-(
3881[20:50:10] <sm00th> streulma, replaced-url
3882[20:50:29] <sm00th> woop, replaced-url
3883[20:50:35] <jelly> dankeast: we're all mad
3884[20:50:52] <dankeast> haha. good to know
3885[20:51:00] <sm00th> streulma, we have to talk in offtopic or i will get banned.
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3892[20:52:24] <dankeast> just the questions about my gpu was enough for me to poke around a bit... i had no idea where to start. thanks again
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3911[20:57:20] <somiaj> dankeast: did removing that file help and just letting xorg autodetect everything? (did you try that). Glad you got it to work
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3917[21:00:42] <dankeast> ah, somiaj i haven't tried that, no. it had a line specifying sna, and the arch wiki has a section called "SNA issues" that mentions corrupt text. i'll give it a go
3918[21:00:58] <somiaj> jhutchins: I found a 'StrictModes no' option for sshd_config, and seems you can also change AuthorizedKeysFile if you can put the files in an alternative location that has correct permisions
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3921[21:01:54] <somiaj> dankeast: I don't think debian generates those files, so maybe you put it there to fix some problem and the file needs to be updated. But I would see what xorg autodetects first.
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3924[21:02:52] <somiaj> dankeast: the /var/log/Xorg.0.log is useful when figureing out what xorg autodetects and sets.
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3927[21:04:02] <dankeast> somiaj: i should have checked the modified date before changing it *slaps head*. i must have created it if debian doesn't. never trust the user, especially when it's me. haha.
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3929[21:05:52] <raspbianuser> hi
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3931[21:06:01] <greycat> Um.
3932[21:06:02] <raspbianuser> what is wget -nv -O-
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3934[21:06:12] <greycat> It's a command.
3935[21:06:19] <raspbianuser> and this
3936[21:06:22] <raspbianuser> sudo -v && wget -nv -O- replaced-url
3937[21:06:23] <greycat> "man wget" will tell you what the options mean
3938[21:06:41] <raspbianuser> how to make color like arch linux?
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3940[21:08:05] <greycat> Off hand, I would say that looks like something that tried to download a python script and execute it as root, without any kind of cautions or oversight.
3941[21:08:09] <greycat> tries*
3942[21:08:30] <raspbianuser> but what is the "import sys; main=lambda:sys.stderr.write('Download failed\n'); exec(sys.stdin.read()); main()""
3943[21:08:36] <greycat> It is python code.
3944[21:08:44] <raspbianuser> how is it going to run there is no check
3945[21:09:08] <greycat> See the "exec"?
3946[21:09:18] <raspbianuser> yea
3947[21:09:21] <raspbianuser> what about it?
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3949[21:09:31] <greycat> I'm no pythoner but I'd imagine that executes something.
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3951[21:09:45] <greycat> sys.stdin.read() is pretty clear
3952[21:09:46] <croddy> whatever is coming in from stdin, in fact
3953[21:09:47] <raspbianuser> damn man
3954[21:10:02] <croddy> like i know people are down on pip and easy_install but this just cannot be the way
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3956[21:10:31] <greycat> It's the python equivalent of curl someurl | sh
3957[21:10:45] <raspbianuser> what is it?
3958[21:10:48] <greycat> Which is also a thing you really should not do.
3959[21:10:54] <croddy> piping the internet into a root shell considered harmful
3960[21:10:56] <raspbianuser> why he made it so complicated?
3961[21:11:34] <raspbianuser> smmmmh
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3963[21:11:53] <TomTomTosch> why they did the check in python? that's a good question.
3964[21:12:17] <raspbianuser> haha yea
3965[21:12:25] <raspbianuser> ... well he made calibre
3966[21:12:30] <raspbianuser> maybe open issue in github?
3967[21:12:33] <dankeast> somiaj: i've moved the file out of the way and restarted... no mention or uxa or sna in Xorg.0.log (there was for the previous boot) will see what happens
3968[21:12:58] <croddy> i see calibre in apt. but maybe you are picky about getting the latest version
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3970[21:13:07] <raspbianuser> luckily there is calibre channel
3971[21:13:14] <Guest66177> raspbianuser Why not just install calibre from the repo?
3972[21:13:20] <raspbianuser> hooow
3973[21:13:28] <raspbianuser> is it going to install the newest?
3974[21:13:55] <TomTomTosch> if the newest is 2.55 then yes.
3975[21:14:17] <raspbianuser> how did you check
3976[21:14:24] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
3977[21:14:27] <raspbianuser> The latest release of calibre is 2.59.
3978[21:14:28] <greycat> When you apt-get install calibre on your DEBIAN (not raspbian) system it will install whichever version is in the DEBIAN repository, which should (in theory) be a version that has been tested and is thought to be stable. That's why Debian stable is called stable.
3979[21:14:47] <raspbianuser> but raspbian based on debian
3980[21:14:47] <raspbianuser> smh
3981[21:14:51] <greycat> !raspbian
3982[21:14:51] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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3984[21:14:57] <croddy> yeah and mandriva is based on redhat
3985[21:14:57] <raspbianuser> BASED
3986[21:15:00] <raspbianuser> so?
3987[21:15:06] <raspbianuser> fk it
3988[21:15:07] <greycat> And Spanish is BASED on Latin.
3989[21:15:10] <raspbianuser> yo kick me
3990[21:15:13] <raspbianuser> hahaha
3991[21:15:23] <sm00th> raspbianuser, its for arm diff processor same packages don't work
3992[21:15:32] <sm00th> for example i have to use a special repo for chromium arm version
3993[21:15:34] <raspbianuser> well can you explain me ?
3994[21:15:47] <raspbianuser> i just want to make my raspberry pi an reader
3995[21:15:51] <greycat> Go to #raspbian for questions about your OS.
3996[21:15:56] <raspbianuser> no one is answering
3997[21:16:07] <sm00th> raspbianuser, because they don't know how
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4000[21:16:27] <raspbianuser> ya right
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4002[21:16:29] <TomTomTosch> or because this is irc and people like to sleep sometimes. ask again later.
4003[21:16:34] <raspbianuser> i installed evince and it doesnt even open
4004[21:16:35] <raspbianuser> FK
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4006[21:17:13] <sm00th> raspbianuser, you can't install it from debian repo cause it won't work. it has to be compiled for arm. you have to ask the raspbian people.
4007[21:17:30] <raspbianuser> k man
4008[21:17:31] <Guest66177> raspbianuser try sudo apt install zathura. It's a great little minimal ebook reader.
4009[21:17:31] <raspbianuser> ty
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4012[21:18:26] <raspbianuser> i pirated pdf but its little slow
4013[21:18:29] <raspbianuser> *ops*
4014[21:18:32] <raspbianuser> I mean i bought it
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4016[21:18:45] <Guest66177> Banned :P
4017[21:18:49] <raspbianuser> U WONT SENT MT TO JAIL
4018[21:18:54] <raspbianuser> IM TO YOUNG
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4038[21:25:58] <raspbianuser> kkkk
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4053[21:29:51] <d3c0> !hi
4054[21:29:51] <dpkg> hello, d3c0
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4059[21:30:35] <d3c0> do you know some app to share between linux without using for example dropbox?
4060[21:30:47] <somiaj> d3c0: share between linux and what?
4061[21:30:51] <greycat> On the same network?
4062[21:31:09] <d3c0> files , documents, etc...
4063[21:31:19] <maurer> d3c0: Is the other machine linux, win, or mac?
4064[21:31:24] <somiaj> or a dual boot situation? What do you want to share this info with (not the type of info)
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4066[21:31:28] <d3c0> yes
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4068[21:31:39] <d3c0> other machine
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4070[21:31:42] <KoAntin> hi all
4071[21:32:05] <somiaj> d3c0: yes? Which one? What os is on that other machine?
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4073[21:32:06] <d3c0> maurer: other machine in other city xD
4074[21:32:07] <greycat> If it's two Linux machines on the same network, you can use NFS.
4075[21:32:23] <greycat> Oh, NOT the same network. I figured "yes" was going in order but it seems not.
4076[21:32:32] <greycat> If it's remote, you can use sshfs or something.
4077[21:32:49] <somiaj> d3c0: for long distance remote sharing I would use ssh and then use an sftp client
4078[21:33:02] <greycat> Note that sshfs is an sftp client.
4079[21:33:17] <somiaj> d3c0: is this other machine windows? Linux? An apple 2e? Care to give us a bit more info?
4080[21:33:19] <d3c0> somiaj: yes I know ssh, but I need some aplication cross platform
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4082[21:33:22] <greycat> But sure, there's merit in the more traditional ones too.
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4084[21:33:28] <greycat> *sigh*
4085[21:33:41] <somiaj> d3c0: what do you mean by application cross platform? This sounds different than your original question of sharing data.
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4087[21:34:11] <greycat> He keeps giving misleading one-word answers instead of saying what the actual details are.
4088[21:34:14] <d3c0> somiaj: I mean , I dont want to use dropbox
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4090[21:34:48] <somiaj> d3c0: you are just being vague and not clearly describing exactly what you want to do and when we ask you questions you give contradictory responses.
4091[21:35:00] <somiaj> d3c0: so this remote machine what os is on it? And all you want to do is share files?
4092[21:35:29] <raspbianuser> kkkkkk
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4096[21:36:14] <d3c0> somiaj: I have a smartphone with Andriod, my remote machine using Debian, I want to send a file to Debian..
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4101[21:37:07] <somiaj> d3c0: I would use sshd (apt-get install ssh on the debian server) then get a scp or sftp app for the smartphone. [thanks for clearing it up]
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4103[21:37:26] <somiaj> d3c0: once you have an sftp app you can just copy files back and foth using that and your standard user login.
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4107[21:38:16] <d3c0> somiaj: let me try x-D
4108[21:38:19] <greycat> The Debian machine would have to be non-firewalled, or the firewall would have to forward the ssh port to the Debian system.
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4110[21:38:48] <jhutchins> d3c0: There are also file manager apps for Android that will allow file transfer over local wifi shares (cifs).
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4114[21:39:08] <jhutchins> greycat: Or the smart phone on the same wifi network.
4115[21:39:42] <greycat> 15:32 d3c0> maurer: other machine in other city xD
4116[21:39:42] <towo`> there is droid over wifi
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4118[21:40:01] <d3c0> greycat: what?
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4120[21:40:42] <greycat> You said "in other city", so jhutchins's comment about "local wifi" does not apply. Unless your comment about "other city" was another lie that you are going to retract now.
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4123[21:41:29] <d3c0> is no a lie
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4149[21:50:16] <NuggetMcGee> Hey guys I've been using ubuntu for a while but there is just something that bugs me about it. I'm moving to debian soon. Very tempted to update to testing. Would using testing open up security issues?
4150[21:50:25] <greycat> Yes.
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4152[21:51:09] <greycat> Packages trickle into testing by an automated process, and security fixes can't do much to speed it along.
4153[21:51:27] <greycat> So you get all the security issues of unstable plus an additional unstable-to-testing migration delay on top of that.
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4156[21:52:51] <jhutchins> We could assume or propose a VPN as a basis for remote filesharing.
4157[21:53:08] <jhutchins> Probably the easiest is micro-sd by snail mail.
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4161[21:53:17] <zykotick9> NuggetMcGee: personally, i'd strongly suggesting trying to run stable for a while. Then try "downgrading" to testing. /me just ended his 1-2 week experiment with running testing, but to good ol' stable again :)
4162[21:53:25] <greycat> I would assume sftp client on the phone is the easiest.
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4164[21:53:44] <zykotick9> s/but to/back to/
4165[21:53:57] <jhutchins> Next would probably be some cloud storage like dropbox or goodle.
4166[21:54:07] <jhutchins> s/d/g
4167[21:54:21] <greycat> (Contra-indicated by the initial question.)
4168[21:54:54] <jhutchins> greycat: Ah, yes, specific exception.
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4170[21:55:25] <NuggetMcGee> I see. That's concerning to be honest. I was having issues with flash not wanting to work because it was outdated and vulnerable and some other things.
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4173[21:56:37] <zykotick9> NuggetMcGee: ahhh, flash isn't really updated by adobe (for gnu/linux) anymore... you're not going to find a newer version in debian or anything. pepperflash might be something to look into?
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4181[21:58:33] <NuggetMcGee> zykotick I know but I really like firefox :P Flash works fine on ubuntu at the moment. Firefox isn't blocking it like it was on debian. Gonna check what version ubuntu uses compared.
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4206[22:05:18] <NuggetMcGee> Think you guys have convinced me to use stable lol. I have found a few work arounds for the flash issue. :D
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4228[22:14:51] <nebg> hello everyone i have a problem, i have gnome 3 and when i power on the system and log on i see many istances of various processes in memory ? why this happens ? i see for example 5 gnome-shell or tracker-store, or even when i open wine i see for example 8 or 9 different processes i use htop what could cause this ? on other mahcines i have never experienced anything like this..
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4232[22:15:37] <bezaban> nebg: how do you see?
4233[22:16:22] <nebg> bezaban, htop
4234[22:16:29] <nebg> they have different PID
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4238[22:17:59] <bezaban> I think htop shows threads
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4242[22:18:27] <bezaban> try 'H'
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4247[22:19:38] <bezaban> it's not a problem
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4260[22:22:45] <bezaban> nebg: even though you may be using htop for fancy colours, the output is not the same as top
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4263[22:23:17] <nebg> bezaban, do threads have their own PID ?
4264[22:23:51] <bezaban> there's TID and PID and userpace and kernel pids
4265[22:24:07] <bezaban> but I am quickly on deep water here :)
4266[22:24:21] <bezaban> but I would say it is not a problem
4267[22:24:35] <bezaban> especially not if 'H' shows what you expect
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4271[22:25:51] <bezaban> I don't know htop, I just had to install it
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4712[22:35:45] <Ebola-Cola> Question about the GPL if anyone has some insight and availability, if I want to use a library that's protected under GPLv3 in a project, and decide to later release that project, does my whole project have to comply with GPLv3, or just the library I used initially?
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4741[22:40:57] <somiaj> Ebola-Cola: provided you keep the libary seperate, I belive only the libary and any modifications you do to the libary.
4742[22:41:31] <greycat> #gnu /topic says it is the right place to ask GPL questions
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4744[22:41:42] <somiaj> Ebola-Cola: don't belive me, replaced-url
4745[22:41:53] <Ebola-Cola> greycat, I searched /list for #gnu and it didn't show up
4746[22:41:53] <gnat_x> Ebola-Cola: replaced-url
4747[22:41:58] <somiaj> Ebola-Cola: seems linking is considered 'derived code', hence why some don't like the gpl
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4750[22:42:11] <greycat> I'm pretty sure the answer was "Whole thing has to be GPL" under GPLv2 but I'm not as familiar with GPLv3.
4751[22:42:51] <somiaj> greycat: I think the difference is GPL vs LGPL from what I'm seeing
4752[22:43:05] <somiaj> LGPL you can link and only have to release any modifications to the libary, GPL is different.
4753[22:43:08] <greycat> Right, LGPL would definitely allow distribution without GPLing the main program.
4754[22:43:14] <greycat> But he didn't ask about LGPL.
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4757[22:43:34] <somiaj> yea that stackexchange seems to say even linking against a gpl libary requires you release the whole project.
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4759[22:43:49] <greycat> Ask #gnu or a lawyer to be sure.
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4764[22:44:20] <Ebola-Cola> why the eff would a license be written like that?
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4766[22:44:40] <greycat> To make the entire world free (or at least GPL).
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4769[22:45:46] <Ebola-Cola> Anyway thanks.
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4771[22:46:00] <gnat_x> as i understand it, it is a hedge against code beind enclosed by private parties. not only can you not enclose it, you can't build an enclosure next to it.
4772[22:46:09] <gnat_x> but they're gone.
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4775[22:46:47] <greycat> Libraries were always a tricky point, because it's not immediately clear which libraries are considered "part of the OS".
4776[22:46:54] <somiaj> gnat_x: I like greycat description, it is a way to force things to be open.
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4778[22:47:42] <somiaj> which is probably why it is there, 'you can use my work only if you agree to my standards of software otherwise I don't want to allow you to use my work.'
4779[22:47:43] <gnat_x> somiaj: yeah, i guess that frames it positivel (free/open) not negatively (enclosed)
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4782[22:49:26] <bezaban> nebg: this should answer your question (I was curious too) replaced-url
4783[22:49:48] <bezaban> it is htop display
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4806[23:00:39] <miesco> Hi. During the install it says it needs non-free firmware files to operate (network firmware).
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4808[23:01:23] <unborn> somiaj: I do release my code for clients as agpl to force them to keep my name in source code as original creator with special clause that the code cannot be sold but must be released under same licence with all credits kept in tact
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4810[23:01:43] <babilen> dpkg: tell miesco -about installer firmware
4811[23:01:49] <babilen> dpkg: tell miesco -about firmware image
4812[23:01:55] <miesco> I put the two files it asked for on my FAT32 filesystem USB stick and it doesn't work
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4814[23:02:13] <somiaj> miesco: this is not uncommon. Most wifi cards (and some wired) require non-free firmware. And debian has clearly policy about this and puts the non-free firmware in another location (just to make it clear)
4815[23:02:21] <babilen> miesco: It might just be for one of your network devices and you might be able to continue the installation without it. That would allow you to install it later.
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4818[23:02:55] <somiaj> miesco: even if you have the netinstall, there is enough info on that disk to complete the install. So you can with the netinstall, install a base system (very minimial). Copy over the firmware to the installed system, get the network up, then complete the instalation from the internet
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4820[23:03:07] <miesco> babilen: I need network for installation
4821[23:03:14] <somiaj> miesco: also using a wired connection is less likey to run into these issues (unless you just want to use the non-free installer)
4822[23:03:23] <unborn> miesco: what I do is install standard netinstall (free one) and have dvd with all non-free deb packages on hand.. once system installed I just install what i need and you done.
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4824[23:03:41] <somiaj> miesco: you don't really need it. You can install the system enough without it that you can debug this issue on the installed system instead of in the installer
4825[23:03:51] <unborn> miesco: however during install you may need to be still connected at least via eth
4826[23:03:58] <miesco> Well I got it all set up, I just need to put the files on a usb stick. They are in packages firmware-ralink and firmware-realtek
4827[23:04:26] <miesco> It says: missing firmware files are: rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw rt2860.bin
4828[23:04:28] <somiaj> miesco: the installer requires you have the firmware (not the packages) so you would have to extract the firmware from the package for the installer to see it
4829[23:04:51] <rlange> unborn: neither GPL nor AGPL allow you to add restrictions to use/distribution of code (e.g., prohibiting sale) except for those restrictions that are already in the license. you can write your own license, but it won't be GPL/AGPL anymore. Both licenses do however prohibit removing your copyright notices from your code.
4830[23:04:56] <somiaj> miesco: but as I mentioned it might be easier at this point to install without it, and then install the packages after you have the minimial system installed.
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4832[23:05:02] <babilen> miesco: So download the .deb packages and install them from a USB stick with "dpkg -i /path/to/the.deb"
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4834[23:05:20] <babilen> (assuming you can't get online at all)
4835[23:05:45] <miesco> somiaj: I have on my usb stick firmware/rtl_nicrtl8168e02.fw firmware/rt2860.bin
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4838[23:06:09] <miesco> babilen: I can't run dpkg when in the installer...
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4841[23:06:46] <unborn> rlange: im going to check that
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4843[23:07:14] <somiaj> miesco: well as I said, just skip the network, complete the install, then copy the firmware over (That is what I do)
4844[23:07:34] <miesco> somiaj: I was doing that then I decided to restart the install with network from beginning
4845[23:07:41] <miesco> somiaj: So I am already commited
4846[23:07:53] <unborn> rlange: In compliance with section 7 of the GNU AGPLv3 the following additional terms apply: my additional terms....
4847[23:07:54] <babilen> miesco: You can provide it on a USB stick if you like (only if you are not installing from USB though)
4848[23:07:57] <babilen> There's also:
4849[23:08:00] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
4850[23:08:00] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
4851[23:08:13] <babilen> Many options, up to you to pick the best
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4855[23:09:02] <miesco> babilen: Thats what I am trying to do. I have both .deb packages in the root of usb stick, and I have a firmware/ directory with the specific files it asks for. When I hit "yes" to "load missing firmware from removable media?" it just repeats the menu.
4856[23:09:07] <somiaj> babilen: oh that is the issue, if installing from usb the installer won't find the firmware on the next usb?
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4858[23:09:24] <somiaj> miesco: again just complete the install, it will probabaly be faster at this point then trying to mess with firmware in the installer.
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4861[23:09:54] <miesco> somiaj: Then I have to manually set up the network and everything
4862[23:10:16] <somiaj> miesco: it isn't hard to do, takes two lines in /etc/network/interfaces (if using dhcp) a few more if using static
4863[23:10:31] <rlange> unborn: AGPL3 section 7 only allows you to add certain specific terms (generally granting additional rights, not taking them away). prohibitiion of sale is not permitted; otherwise the licesne is no longer AGPL compatible.
4864[23:10:49] <miesco> somiaj: I want to install the firmware so I know how
4865[23:11:13] <somiaj> miesco: seems you were given the reason, the installer doesn't seem to correctly deal with two usb drives when searching for firmware.
4866[23:11:26] <somiaj> miesco: use the non-free firmware installer in the future would be my suggestion.
4867[23:11:29] <babilen> somiaj: Yeah, you can't use two usb sticks
4868[23:11:41] <miesco> somiaj: I am installing from a dvd
4869[23:11:49] <somiaj> babilen: okay, I see people run into this issue and never had a good reason.
4870[23:11:51] <rlange> Section 7b and 7c speak to prohibiting changing copyright notices and misrepresenting authorship, and you can in general grant users additional rights, but you can't take rights away (e.g., sale) except for those 6 enumerated points
4871[23:12:08] <babilen> somiaj: Well, I don't know exactly *why*, but that's how it is.
4872[23:12:34] <unborn> rlange: I thought if I put it there int additional terms like additional file specified here: replaced-url
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4874[23:13:33] <miesco> somiaj: Do I need to untar all the .deb files in firmware.tar.gz even if it only needs the two .debs?
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4876[23:14:05] <babilen> You typically just have to provide the .deb's
4877[23:14:06] <unborn> rlange: that would be enough to stop crooks sailing and claiming that they did wrote the code
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4879[23:14:19] <somiaj> miesco: the install guide says you can have either the firmware or the .deb
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4881[23:14:43] <somiaj> miesco: I personally haven't done this and see people have troubles with it (hence my suggestion to just complete the install as it may be faster than figuring it out)
4882[23:15:13] <somiaj> miesco: replaced-url
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4886[23:15:47] <miesco> somiaj: untar all the .debs or just the two it needs?
4887[23:15:57] <somiaj> miesco: no, untar the tarball you get fromt he link I pasted
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4889[23:16:16] <rlange> unborn: ianal but i don't think those extra terms are compatible with AGPL3. Of course, the original author may write whatever license he chooses, but he can then no longer merge his code with other vanilla AGPL3 code.
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4892[23:16:32] <somiaj> miesco: following the install guide, I got that link with the instruction "Just download the tarball or zip file for the correct release and unpack it to the file system on the medium."
4893[23:16:33] <unborn> rlange: perhaps I am wrong.. but to my understanding it was enough..
4894[23:16:51] <miesco> somiaj: Will it put it all in a separate directory? Also my usb stick is almost full...
4895[23:16:53] <somiaj> miesco: that will give you all the firmware, but it might be fomratted in such a way the installer can find it.
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4897[23:17:02] <rlange> complexities like these are why lots of people today choose MIT or modern BSD license
4898[23:17:09] <somiaj> miesco: I'm unsure there. as I said I just don't much with firmware in the installer.
4899[23:17:21] <babilen> miesco, somiaj: You don't unpack the .debs (they aren't tar packages, but using ar btw), but simply unpack the firmware.tar.gz
4900[23:17:31] <babilen> I found it much easier to just use the installer firmare
4901[23:17:33] <unborn> rlange: so which license would be good to share code but stop crooks sailing it and claim it that they did the code to other people?
4902[23:17:58] <unborn> and keep original author credits in tact? at least in source code?
4903[23:18:05] <babilen> miesco, somiaj: The firmware image actually complained about missing firmware in the past. Not sure about the current status though.
4904[23:18:10] <miesco> babilen: I did: tar -zxvf firmware.tar.gz -C /media/usb1 ./firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb ./firmware-ralink_0.43_all.deb
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4906[23:18:44] <somiaj> miesco: and the firmware is nicely locaked in a directory /firmware (in the root of the usb filesystem), single partition usb?
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4912[23:20:04] <babilen> miesco: You want a couple of .debs in the root of the USB stick
4913[23:20:14] <rlange> unborn: no license in the spirit of the GPL/free software will stop a 3rd party from selling (that's part of the 4 freedoms), and it's not fair to call a 3rd party selling Free Software a "crook". however misrepresenting themselves as original authors is prohibited by both GPL3 and AGPL3
4914[23:20:16] <babilen> (or proper /firmware )
4915[23:20:20] <somiaj> babilen, miesco: can't you hit ctl-alt-f6 (maybe some other tty) on the installer and get a log of what the installer is donig/why it failed?
4916[23:20:32] <err403> Would someone mind walking me through a recovery process? What I have is a system with a new SSD drive, where the SSD wouldn’t boot, and I have no idea why. The SSD showed while in the old failing drive, and supposedly would have been the primary boot drive after running grug-reconfig, but it wouldn’t boot. I then fiddled with the bios, and lost the boot on the failing drive as well. Since this time I removed the failing drive, and
4917[23:20:33] <err403> created a boot disk. I am now at [root@localhost /]#
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4922[23:21:06] <rlange> unborn: but we're probably getting way off topic w/ this, perhaps #gnu would be a better forum to talk about free software licenses
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4924[23:21:30] <somiaj> err403: is this booting into some livecd/rescuecd, or is this booting into your system?
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4927[23:22:23] <err403> I am currently booted on a live cd, and now at the root@localhost. I did not select the rescue option when the menu came up. The live cd is for Debian 8.4
4928[23:22:24] <unborn> rlange: if someone modify my code by just removing link and email and name of the creator (me in this case) and replace with his own and then charge 10x more and claims that he did created.. that is crook.. all he was changed was author credits.. nothing else.. no contribution nothing..
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4931[23:23:06] <somiaj> err403: do you know what drive/paratition your root file system is located on?
4932[23:23:07] <miesco> somiaj, babilen: replaced-url
4933[23:23:25] <mutante> unborn: yes, and that is covered by GPL like he said. but selling is ok
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4935[23:23:35] <mutante> unborn: without changing the author names of course
4936[23:23:46] <miesco> babilen: I also tried having the .deb in the root of the usb drive
4937[23:23:48] <somiaj> miesco: putting the debs in / instead of /firmware didn't have any effect?
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4943[23:25:08] <miesco> somiaj: no
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4946[23:26:34] <miesco> somiaj: Perhaps it can't find my usb drive?
4947[23:26:48] <unborn> rlange: mutante tank you. I am bit shocked that it is okay to do that.. well perhaps I will keep source code off from public and github more often..
4948[23:26:55] <unborn> *thank
4949[23:27:45] <babilen> miesco: You don't want them in /firmware, but in / on the USB
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4951[23:27:57] <mutante> unborn: what problem do you see with that?
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4956[23:28:05] <babilen> Haven't used this in years though as I just default to the firmware instaler
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4958[23:28:34] <babilen> Ah, you tried that already
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4960[23:29:49] <err403> somiaj> The boot sequence is for the first two CD/DVDs to boot first, and then the boot hard disk is next. Does this answer your question? The phone rang a couple of minutes ago. Sorry I didn’t get back with you sooner.
4961[23:29:56] <mutante> unborn: same with for example the content of Wikipedia. anyone can print it and sell a book if they want to. it's more free than telling people what they cant do. and they still provide a service that people can decide to use or not
4962[23:30:11] <somiaj> err403: no I need to know exactly which device, like /dev/sda4 for instance.
4963[23:30:18] <somiaj> err403: what we want to do is mount your install so we can get to it
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4965[23:30:26] <unborn> mutante: no problem at all.. I think author should be always mentioned thats all.
4966[23:30:28] <err403> somiaj> that I am not sure of.
4967[23:30:36] <mutante> unborn: well yea, everybody agrees with that
4968[23:30:43] <err403> somiaj> However the SSD is a 2 TB drive.
4969[23:31:18] <miesco> biberu: I put all the contents of firmware.tar.gz into the root of my usb drive and it still doesn't work
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4971[23:32:13] <somiaj> err403: okay, lets first figure out where your actually root filesystem is located. maybe this will help, 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/' there is a list of links to all your disks and partitions, note the name of the link and the pointer ->, can you figure out from that which disk/partition has your root filesystem on it?
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4973[23:33:36] <miesco> babilen*
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4976[23:34:04] <babilen> miesco: It should, but that doesn't help you
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4981[23:35:42] <rlange> Anyone know what exactly happens in Jessie immediately after logging in (via either tty or gdm)? I know at some point "systemd --user" gets invoked and can trace execution after that.
4982[23:35:51] <err403> somiaj> There is a lot of stuff on the screen, so I added a pipe to the command: | less. It looks like the Samsung SSD is taking up both sdb and sdb and sdb1, but I don’t recall creating two separate partitions. There are two other drives on this computer, with multiple partitions, and I only copied the Debian drive to one of the partitions on the Samsung SSD
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4984[23:36:11] <somiaj> err403: sdb is the disk, and sdb1 is the partition
4985[23:36:13] <rlange> But something is invoking an ssh-agent process BEFORE "systemd --user" and it's screwing things up, but I can't figure out what is invoking it.
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4987[23:36:27] <err403> somiaj> Yes, that is what I thought.
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4989[23:36:47] <ziongate> hi all
4990[23:36:49] <somiaj> err403: lets see what is on that partition, 'mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt' and then 'ls /mnt' does that look like your root filesystem, you should have things like /bin, /sbin, /usr, etc in that list
4991[23:36:52] <err403> somaij> Hold on, the phone is ringing again.
4992[23:37:27] <rlange> This only happens with an older install of Jessie that was dist-upgraded from Wheezy (install is about 2 years old)
4993[23:37:35] <ziongate> i have installed debian stretch as per guided partitioning, with ancrypted disk and lvm support
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4995[23:38:02] <ziongate> but in a 128G i see a 14GB of lvm cache created. Do you think is safe t oremove it ?
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4997[23:38:54] <jhutchins> rlange: You might want to try disabling sshd in init, and making sure that the sshd target in systemd is enabled.
4998[23:38:55] <ziongate> i found commands to remove the cache partition and extend the root part, but not sure if this can create issues or not
4999[23:39:00] <jhutchins> rlange: Or vice-versa.
5000[23:39:11] <miesco> Hey
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5002[23:39:25] <miesco> ... you didn't tell me I can hit ctrl+alt+f2 to active a terminal...
5003[23:39:58] <rlange> hmm, i didn't even think about checking old init. But would that affect ssh-agent on user login? I would think it would only affect the ssh server daemon.
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5005[23:40:13] <jhutchins> ziongate: If it's a fresh install, I'd just re-do it from scratch and partition manually. For unencrypted systems I like 1 partiton + swap, you might want to have an unencrypted /boot depending on your setup.
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5012[23:41:06] <jhutchins> rlange: I just know that integration of old init scripts and systemd has had some serioud glitches. Given that it's an upgraded system, it's got both.
5013[23:41:11] <ziongate> yes sry, i have used wrong term, auto-partitioning created a 14G lvm_swap partition
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5015[23:41:34] <jhutchins> miesco: We can't tell you everything at once.
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5018[23:42:46] <babilen> miesco: Actually somiaj mentioned checking a tty about 45 minutes ago
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5026[23:46:33] <miesco> babilen: Okay I got it work...
5027[23:46:49] <miesco> babilen: I just created /lib/firmware and copied the 2 files over to there
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5032[23:48:13] <miesco> babilen: Ah. Works beautifully. Now we know. :)
5033[23:49:08] <somiaj> miesco: still didn't figure out why the installer was not able to do this automatically and locate the packages/files
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5035[23:49:25] <somiaj> miesco: note after you complete the install you might want to install the actuall firmware packages so you get updates (which sometimes happens)
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5039[23:49:40] <miesco> somiaj: okay
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5043[23:53:52] <miesco> somiaj: Also, you can just mount /dev/sdc1 /lib/firmware (after mkdir /lib/firmware)
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5048[23:55:56] * zykotick9 has never seen anyone get the firmware-during install to work... maybe someday ;)
5049[23:56:00] <somiaj> miesco: yea you just need to put the firmware in the correct spot, the installer is supose to do this automatically though, but I have seen multiple people have trouble with it (hence my default suggestion is just skip it, install and then worry about it)
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5051[23:56:37] <miesco> somiaj: Well this is an easy work around
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5055[23:57:03] <somiaj> miesco: for someone familar with *nix and the fhs filesystem. Might take a bit to explain to someone new to debian what to do.
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5058[23:57:31] <unborn> miesco: so all you need it was create on usb stick /lib/firmware with files in it? is that all?
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5060[23:57:47] <babilen> essentially, yeah
5061[23:57:51] <teraflops> hmm
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5063[23:57:58] <miesco> <ctrl+alt+f2><enter>mkdir /lib/firmware && mount /dev/sdc1 /lib/firmware<ctrl+alt+f1>
5064[23:58:23] <miesco> Thats all you need to do
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5067[23:58:47] <miesco> And on the usb drive, have JUST firmware files in the usb drive root
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5071[23:59:34] <miesco> As in, on other computer, `dpkg-deb --extract firmware-ralink_0.43_all.deb /media/usb/'
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