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64[00:26:50] <nullbyte_> how to install nvidia driver
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67[00:27:14] <nullbyte_> i cant install NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-384.98.run i got an errors
68[00:27:32] <nullbyte_> i have only backports or how to install this one from geforce.com/drivers
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75[00:34:39] <SporkWitch> !ask
76[00:34:39] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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210[02:25:18] <ryouma> i'm watching a video on the web, and it is much too soft, even with computer volume at max and video volume at max. what can i do to increase volume?
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214[02:27:28] <awal1> ryouma, use pavucontrol for check volume level set for your browser
215[02:28:10] <awal1> I personally use pasystray for control almost all pulseaudio stuff, rarelly i must use pavuctrl
216[02:28:22] <ryouma> pulse is purged
217[02:28:46] <ryouma> installing pavucontrol but i always have everything at max
218[02:28:48] <awal1> with pulse you can go above 100%
219[02:29:03] <ryouma> ugh, pavucontrol depends on pulse
220[02:29:08] <ryouma> oh really?
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222[02:29:11] <awal1> when sound is low i go above 100
223[02:29:15] <ryouma> but pulse always broke
224[02:29:21] <awal1> you can go til 500 or more
225[02:29:26] <awal1> not sure about limit
226[02:29:35] <awal1> not for me :P
227[02:29:41] <ryouma> it is also calling rtkit
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231[02:30:14] <awal1> pavucotrol of course needs pulseaudio
232[02:30:23] <ryouma> and pavucontrol is the only control for this >100 feature?
233[02:30:23] <awal1> pulseaudiovolumecontrol
234[02:30:35] <ryouma> ah
235[02:31:06] <awal1> sound above 100 = you must use pilse
236[02:31:08] <ryouma> where is that u from? i just assumed it was some guy named pavu or smoething
237[02:31:14] <ryouma> ok that's a clear statement
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239[02:32:20] <awal1> maybe you can go at more 100 with just alsa but no clue if possible
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242[02:33:04] <awal1> well, even before pulseaudio you can go above 100 with vlc. so possible without pulseaudio
243[02:33:26] <awal1> ot sure how vol. above 100 is achieved
244[02:33:40] <ryouma> the only reason i am consenting to run pulseaudio is that stretch will require it. srsly it broke so frequently i had to create scripts just to fix it each time.
245[02:33:43] <epiflux> amplification
246[02:33:59] <somiaj> stretch does not require pulseaudio.
247[02:34:00] <awal1> amplifivation yeah, but how
248[02:34:07] <ryouma> awal1: yeah true vlc goes above 100. but this is on teh web.
249[02:34:09] <somiaj> most desktops depend on it, but you could disable it.
250[02:34:21] <ryouma> somiaj: oh, good news
251[02:34:23] <epiflux> probly via compression
252[02:34:39] <somiaj> I like the switching sound cards on the fly feature, but you can still use only alsa and uninstall/disable pulse if you have no use for it.
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254[02:34:57] <awal1> ryouma, i had same issue with ff/chromium, via pavucontrol I found that pulseaudio have saved a given level for them, i just increased it
255[02:35:01] <awal1> via pavu
256[02:35:11] <somiaj> I have recentally started using it here now, needed to install it to test something and haven't removed it. I like the sound card switching in the fly.
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259[02:37:19] <ryouma> pavucontrol not working. the video is silent now.
260[02:37:27] <awal1> epiflux, so how vlc and pulse amplifies?
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262[02:38:05] <awal1> something may be silenced
263[02:38:56] <epiflux> awal1, beats me, i'm just guessing, but two possibilities are overdriving the audio hardware or compressing the audio signal.
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265[02:39:58] <awal1> pasystray is a nice small utility for control almost all pulseauido stuff
266[02:40:03] <epiflux> if you compress all of the audio dynamics to the same level, you can set them all to max without clipping.
267[02:40:11] <awal1> it is just an icon in systemtray
268[02:40:17] <ryouma> i use fluxbox so dunno if a systray works
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271[02:40:37] <awal1> fluxbox have systray yes
272[02:40:51] <ryouma> why can't you just raise the signal? why isn't there an amplify command?
273[02:41:25] <ryouma> well cclive and youtube-dl failed too. i think i have to give up on this video.
274[02:41:46] <awal1> which video is?
275[02:41:50] <ryouma> i can't read the pavucontrol display well either, as my gtk black theme or something is making it kinda inscrutable
276[02:42:01] <awal1> i may check it for you if sound is fine here
277[02:42:03] <epiflux> because overdriving the audio hardware introduces clipping/distortion?
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279[02:43:03] <ryouma> why would it distort if the volume was just lo9w in the video, and youa re only making it normal?
280[02:43:50] <epiflux> it wouldn't in that case, but you can just normakize the audio in that case.
281[02:44:02] <epiflux> normalize*
282[02:44:04] <ryouma> dunno what to do to do that
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287[02:45:09] <epiflux> some players have a normalize option. or you can just permanently normalize it with audacity or something.
288[02:45:17] <ryouma> it's a website
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298[02:46:22] <awal1> ryouma, video sound volume is low yeah. but thanks to pulseaudio i can hear just fine increasing video volume say at 130
299[02:46:32] <awal1> via pasystray
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301[02:46:51] <awal1> so video is low, not your debian issue
302[02:47:17] <ryouma> yeah i knew it was the video, but thanks for confirming youc an increase it
303[02:48:40] <awal1> increasing with pulseaudio sound still very clear vs vlc too noisy
304[02:49:17] <ryouma> you're able to play it with vlc?
305[02:49:46] <awal1> i havent tried; lets check
306[02:49:54] <ryouma> what do you do to do that?
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308[02:51:48] <epiflux> audio has dynamics, ie, soft parts and loud parts. if you amplify everything, the loud parts oveedrive the hardware and distort. if you only amplify the softer parts with compression, the whole thing sounds louder but without distortion.
309[02:51:56] <ryouma> 17:33 <somiaj> stretch does not require pulseaudio. -- i heard that firefox on stretch does
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311[02:53:31] <awal1> ryouma, vlc/mpv won't play that video; format issue
312[02:53:51] <somiaj> ryouma: I'm unsure on that, but the depends say libasound, so it looks like it can use regular alsa as well as pulse. I have had firefox installed without pulse, though I rarlye use firefox, so unsure on any issues with sound.
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316[02:55:57] <somiaj> ryouma: replaced-url
317[02:56:17] <somiaj> Some programs may require it, I don't think firefox is one of them. But as I said, most desktop enviroments will pull it in.
318[02:56:32] <awal1> ryouma, for play urls via vlc just open vlc and in check 'device' button in menu bar, there you have a line for play urls if compatible
319[02:56:51] <awal1> mpv, via teerminal so. mpv yoururl
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321[02:57:08] <awal1> vlc also have it's ncurses frontend
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323[02:57:42] <awal1> recently i just use mpv almost
324[02:57:59] <awal1> it is very good
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329[03:03:14] <awal1> not sure if i English it is called 'device' that first entry in menu bar
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335[03:07:58] <ryouma> file maybe
336[03:08:41] <SporkWitch> far left is usually file
337[03:08:57] <SporkWitch> oh, vlc? media i think
338[03:09:12] <SporkWitch> yup, media
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382[03:34:57] <Sveta> I've run out of space at a 10GB / partition, what is a good text interface tool for removing packages that are taking most space?
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387[03:37:57] <dirac1> Sveta, you should check what is consuming most of your space. You could use ncdu for that.
388[03:38:08] <dirac1> Then.. start removing stuffs.
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403[03:47:08] <epiflux> Sveta, have you done sudo apt clean?
404[03:47:28] <Sveta> /dev/sda1 9,1G 7,9G 704M 92% /
405[03:47:41] <Sveta> I did, it brought the number some 50M up.
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407[03:48:58] <epiflux> if you have huge logs, mail, etc, bleachbit can help. otherwise remove big packages.
408[03:49:57] <Sveta> replaced-url
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413[03:53:25] <epiflux> you could get rid of chromium and locale files you don't use for a start
414[03:54:42] <epiflux> docs and that's a huge amount of skype data.
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416[03:56:17] <epiflux> bleachbit might help clean up a lot of your app data.
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426[04:07:49] <Sveta> epiflux, thanks for your advice. I would not like to use bleachbit, unless it prompts before each deletion. I will consider removing chromium though.
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446[04:21:29] <dodobrain> hi all, is this the channel for packaging or is there a different channel?
447[04:22:56] <dodobrain> can someone tell me who the libavl1 and libavl-dev packages are generated?
448[04:23:20] <dodobrain> theres a GNU libavl which is distinctly different from the libavl that is packaged in debian
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518[05:26:39] <slidinghorn> X-Post in case anyone here's a JACK guru: Regardless of the interface I choose, I get this error when starting JACK form qjackctl: replaced-url
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749[09:11:00] <OS-36089> Hi guys, I want to do Pivoting but through a Windows machine
750[09:11:06] <OS-36089> ======================================================
751[09:11:12] <OS-36089> Hi guys, I want to do Pivoting but through a Windows machine
752[09:11:33] <OS-36089> anyone knows some App similar to SSH -D dynamic pivoting
753[09:11:50] <OS-36089> I found some applications for windows, but you have to add 1 port by 1 port
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755[09:11:55] <OS-36089> which is not feasible
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757[09:12:03] <OS-36089> Can someone help please
758[09:12:27] <OS-36089> I want some Windows App to Pivot All traffic, for All ports (like in ssh -D)
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769[09:17:23] <mohsen_1> Hello. Does debian 9 come with gdm3 ?
770[09:18:45] <slax0r> mohsen_1: replaced-url
771[09:18:59] <slax0r> if it's installed out-of-the-box, I don't know, but there is a package for it
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774[09:21:54] <mohsen_1> slax0r: A friend of mine has trouble booting into GUI, he says the system automatically boots into console, however he can log into the console session, how can I help him?
775[09:22:15] <mohsen_1> He does not know English, that's why I'm asking questions on behalf of him
776[09:22:26] <slax0r> mohsen_1: I'd start by inspecting logs
777[09:22:44] <slax0r> X is probably crashing on startup, probably due to a gfx driver, maybe?
778[09:23:08] <mohsen_1> slax0r: He says that it used to be okay, and this problem is risen all of a sudden
779[09:23:27] <mohsen_1> slax0r: What about checking if any display manager is installed?
780[09:23:57] <slax0r> it didn't break on its own, he's had to done something, maybe an update?
781[09:24:04] <slax0r> logs will be your friend
782[09:24:19] <mohsen_1> Hmmm, okay
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788[09:27:44] <P_B> Hi there. I'm trying to get stretch to see a fakeraid array (because I dual boot) initialised with my ASUS b350 motherboard. Nearly all of what I'm reading pertains to booting from such an array, which isn't my concern here. Can anyone tell me what package or module I need to insert to get debian to see the array?
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797[09:30:46] <P_B> atm blkid doesn't see any of the drives in the array, which is better than seeing them as independent disks I guess
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799[09:31:58] <OS-36089> @ P_B not sure if your questions are relevant in #offsec gorup
800[09:32:20] <OS-36089> I mean, this is #offsec group, I would advice some linux hardware groups..
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802[09:32:55] <OS-36089> oh my bad, I though this is offsec
803[09:32:58] <OS-36089> sorry, this is debian
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825[09:49:52] <mohsen_1> Is this the right command to start gdm on debian 9: systemctl start gdm3 service ?
826[09:50:10] <mohsen_1> On Arch we put a dot between gdm3 and service
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829[09:52:17] <blaztek> mohsen_1: that looks right
830[09:52:21] <babilen> mohsen_1: Same on Debian
831[09:52:25] <rant> the service isnt even required
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833[09:52:47] <mohsen_1> Seems like systemctl is flexible enough in syntax
834[09:52:53] <babilen> You can either use "systemctl start gdm3" or "systemctl start gdm3.service" -- bot refer to the same
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836[09:53:27] <mohsen_1> 🤙
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839[09:54:19] <blaztek> Pressing TAB gives the whole service text
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850[09:58:04] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
851[09:58:41] <ychaouche> Is there some sort of system-wide proxy that would take all outbound packets through the proxy ?
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853[09:58:59] <ychaouche> I want to use a proxy to test firewall rules from the command line using nmap or hping3
854[09:59:24] <ychaouche> I want the outgoing packets going through the proxy to appear to my firewall as coming from outside
855[10:00:32] <rant> ychaouche: sounds like you should just setup some virtual machines
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857[10:00:50] <blaztek> I agree with rant
858[10:00:54] <ychaouche> rant: how would that give me a WAN address ?
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863[10:03:01] <blaztek> ychaouche: you get a virtual adapter that can be used as the WAN address
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865[10:03:32] <ychaouche> blaztek: you mean I set a static, random, WAN address ?
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873[10:08:41] <blaztek> ychaouche: it can be static...but the whole virtual machine would act as a network proxy for outside packets to your firewall
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875[10:09:20] <blaztek> ychaouche: OpenVPN might be a better solution for you though
876[10:10:09] <blaztek> You’d have to set it up to go through your firewall
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907[10:23:37] <snikker> hello, i'm compiling kernel usung "make deb-pkg", there is a way to use custom "changelog" and "control" files instead of auto generated?
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928[10:31:16] <jomofcw> Hello !
929[10:32:37] <jubo2> Hello jomofcw
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931[10:33:14] <jomofcw> I've got some problem seting the default language to french. I change the LANG env settings, but it doesn't do anything. I execute dpkg-reconfigure locales and it give me those lines at the end of the process : "replaced-url
932[10:33:26] <jomofcw> :) jubo2
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934[10:34:44] <jomofcw> some seems to work because I get the date in french, but when I ask for a git status for example, it answer me in english.
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936[10:35:05] <alkisg> LANGUAGE=en and LANG=fr, decide what you want :)
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941[10:35:46] <jomofcw> alkisg I've tried to set the LANGUAGE ENV but it seems to not record it :/.
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948[10:37:43] <jomofcw> root@web-dev:/home/preprod/JAM_Difus-moteur_sites-git# env | grep LANG
949[10:37:43] <jomofcw> LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
950[10:37:43] <jomofcw> LANGUAGE=fr
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952[10:39:38] <jomofcw> it seems to be OK now ! Thanks to point it to me :).
953[10:39:41] <jubo2> jomofcw: iirc there was some command the generate the locales so setting only the environment variable alone does not do it
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956[10:40:16] <jubo2> ok. you got it fixed. Good coz I don't remember exactly
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961[10:45:45] <ychaouche> blaztek: do you know any free VPN service ?
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963[10:46:06] <ychaouche> it seems that VPN is a universal proxy (proxy for all ports).
964[10:47:12] <ychaouche> in the system, the proxy manager only shows options for HTTP, FTP and SOCKS
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966[10:47:58] <blaztek> ychaouche: OpenVPN is free and super good
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968[10:48:44] <apollo13> well most vpn programs are free; you usually pay for the server :D
969[10:49:25] <blaztek> Yes apollo13
970[10:49:49] <blaztek> OpenVPN is free for the server part too
971[10:50:12] <apollo13> right but he either has to pay a vpn provider or for a vserver
972[10:50:20] <blaztek> The hardware not so much
973[10:50:34] <blaztek> Exactly
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976[10:51:13] <furrymcgee> why do you need a vpn?
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981[10:52:36] <blaztek> I think he’s testing his firewall from the outside using a proxy
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986[10:54:25] <furrymcgee> i think a vpn circumvents a firewall
987[10:54:36] <ychaouche> oh, protonmail have their own (free) VPN service too : protovpn. I'll try and see.
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989[10:54:56] <ychaouche> I already have a pm.me account so I might just stick w/ them.
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992[10:55:29] <ychaouche> furrymcgee: I want to test some firewall rules.
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994[10:55:58] <ychaouche> the rules are set to block connexions from outside and allow only to some selected ports.
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997[10:56:22] <ychaouche> since I am in the same LAN I can not test the rules, I need to appear as an outsider.
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999[10:57:08] <ychaouche> I tried to spoof my IP with nmap and hping3, but since my pacckets are coming from the LAN interface of the firewall, it will drop them
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1002[10:58:06] <furrymcgee> you can configure eth0.0 or eth0:0 in differnt subnets
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1009[11:02:14] <ychaouche> I don't understand that part. Where ? why ? what would that change ?
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1018[11:09:25] <Emil> Hey
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1021[11:10:08] <Emil> I have a passwordo on my ssh key. I'd like to enter this key only once per terminal session
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1023[11:10:59] <Emil> using ssh-agent with the traditional script added to .bashrc or similar the key will be asked even if I don't intend to use it
1024[11:11:19] <Emil> while echo "AddKeysToAgent yes" >> ~/.ssh/config results in the key being asked only once per login
1025[11:11:57] <Emil> I'd like the password for the key to be asked per terminal only once and only if I use anything that requires ssh key
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1028[11:14:48] <furrymcgee> ychaouche: sorry i dont know iptables maybe try #Netfilter
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1084[11:55:53] <armin> "we have a minimal way of bringup that is a lot more auditable than the thousands of lines of spaghetti shell scripts Debian is able to produce."
1085[11:56:01] <armin> errm, what
1086[11:56:03] <armin> replaced-url
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1088[11:58:33] <babilen> armin: sysvinit scripts aren't exactly well known for being minimal and easy to maintain
1089[11:58:47] <babilen> Not really a major point with systemd
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1096[12:02:18] <ychaouche> did blazetek changed his nick or did he just leave ?
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1098[12:02:59] <slax0r> blazetek There was no such nickname
1099[12:03:21] <ychaouche> blaztek
1100[12:03:46] <ychaouche> I need some help w/ VPN I thought he might like to help
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1102[12:04:31] <rant> Emil: I can't think of any way to tie it to a terminal, but ssh-agent is the way to unlock a key.. ssh-add lets you unlock and lock the key as well as lock/unlock the agent itself
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1105[12:07:10] <raro42> Hi.
1106[12:07:51] <rant> Emil: if you're not concerned with the fact that once the key is unlocked, ANY terminal in use will have access, then just use ssh-add and ssh-add -d to lock it back up
1107[12:07:54] <ychaouche> halo raro42
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1109[12:09:20] <raro42> trying to install ImageMagick on debian docker. I miss /usr/bin/magick ... replaced-url
1110[12:09:29] <raro42> Any idea why this is so?
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1112[12:10:37] <slax0r> isn't it imagik?
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1115[12:12:11] <raro42> root@4509ebcf60e2:/opt/code# ls -al /usr/bin/ima*
1116[12:12:11] <raro42> ls: cannot access /usr/bin/ima*: No such file or directory
1117[12:12:25] <raro42> Pweeh. I am stuck.
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1128[12:17:59] <babilen> raro42: That file isn't in Debian at all, what are you looking for exactly?
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1132[12:20:35] <ychaouche> raro42: find what you're looking for in : dpkg -L imagemagick
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1134[12:21:56] <ychaouche> also instead of cating /etc/issue you can also use lsb_release -a
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1140[12:23:29] <ychaouche> but it won't work on all distros (eg. [open]Suse)
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1146[12:26:36] <rant> raro42: imagemagick is a suite of utilities.. the one I use most often is called mogrify
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1151[12:29:37] <rant> ychaouche: and imagemagick is a virtual package
1152[12:29:48] <ychaouche> that doesn't matter
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1154[12:30:37] <rant> it does if you want any meaninful output from dpkg -L
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1156[12:30:57] <rant> you'd have to do dpkg -L imagemagick-6.q16
1157[12:32:08] <ychaouche> replaced-url
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1161[12:35:03] <ggww> hi
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1171[12:41:32] <armin> babilen: i can't fully agree with you here as a simple shellscript is *much* more debuggable than an in-depth dive into systemd. however, i find the spaghetti code statement harsh.
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1174[12:43:53] <babilen> armin: Different unit files are easy to compare and settings in there immediately obvious. It's quite tricky to establish the same for different shell scripts that all use different approaches. Obviously debugging systemd itself is a different matter, but the same holds true for debugging bash or dash fwiw
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1182[12:46:23] <Emil> rant: no it seem ssh-agent -k targets the correct pid always
1183[12:46:26] <armin> babilen: you won't understand targets, sockets or cgroups like that. you won't even have a list of all possible keywords (camel-cased, even) you can use in a unit file. and looking for the correct man-page doing "man systemd<TAB>" in a terminal you get "Display all 158 possibilities? (y or n)". i think you can easily compare this to the ease of opening a simple shellscript in your editor of choice,
1184[12:46:28] <armin> immediately being able to put a set -x there and debug away.
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1186[12:46:35] <armin> babilen: sorry, i really fail to see how that's easier for you.
1187[12:46:53] <Emil> rant: I know I could have it system wide but I specifically want it to be only per terminal
1188[12:47:25] <Emil> ah this was not openssh
1189[12:47:30] <armin> i mean wow, don't even get me started on "A start job is running ..." things.
1190[12:47:31] <Emil> I solved the issue
1191[12:47:41] <Emil> echo "AddKeysToAgent yes" >> ~/.ssh/config && echo -e "agentclean() {\n\tssh-agent -k > /dev/null\n}\neval \"$(ssh-agent -s)\" > /dev/null\ntrap agentclean EXIT\n" >> ~/.bashrc
1192[12:47:59] <babilen> armin: There are wildy different init scripts on our systems and some of them are quite tricky to understand and, in many cases, hard to debug. I prefer a single system that behaves identical for all services.
1193[12:48:36] <armin> babilen: did you ever compare a systemd unit file to a 3 line runit script?
1194[12:48:36] <babilen> Obviously any system that supports many options and approaches is complex to a certain degree
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1197[12:49:14] <armin> babilen: that's why you usually separate your problem into smaller parts. the systemd feature creep is the monolithic opposite.
1198[12:49:36] <raro42> ychaouche: got it. dpkg -L imagemagick did the trick.
1199[12:49:44] <raro42> I was looking for /usr/bin/compare-im6
1200[12:49:59] <raro42> Thanks! Guys! That made my day!
1201[12:50:03] <ychaouche> usually, you can just skip the -im6 part
1202[12:50:29] <raro42> ychaouche: thanks for that hint. Helpfull!
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1205[12:51:28] <ychaouche> apparently other packages may also provide the /usr/bin/compare file, that's why it is an alternative
1206[12:52:33] <ychaouche> could be comparepdf or rivet
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1243[13:16:10] <jaami_________> i dont know why wifi is disconnected in the main taskbar at the top of screen but when i try to connect it shows me wifi is already connected. how to get rid of half connected half disconnected state of wifi?
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1248[13:18:17] <rant> jaami_________: you can try systemctl network-manager restart
1249[13:18:32] <rant> or reloading your wifi driver
1250[13:19:25] <jaami_________> that is right but my question is about why wifi status is not same at all places ?
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1252[13:20:45] <jaami_________> should i start wifi connection from terminal? because i know terminal do things right
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1254[13:21:35] <jaami_________> sometimes wifi keep switching between connected and disconnected state
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1257[13:22:11] <jaami_________> i was suggested to run empathy at all times so connection wont be disconnected but it does not work all the time
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1262[13:24:02] <jaami_________> what command i should run to to have definite results when dealing with wifi?
1263[13:24:28] <jaami_________> i mean connecting and disconnecting
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1267[13:25:24] <rant> heh
1268[13:25:40] <jaami_________> is there anyway i can check either ISP playing stupid with my wifi or smething is wrong with debian or hardware?
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1270[13:26:22] <rant> jaami_________: there is no command for definite results.. wifi has any number of issues. you can check your logs and see whats happening.. dmesg should show something as well as the daemon.log (if you are using network-manager or such)
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1274[13:27:47] <jaami_________> what command i can use for wifi connection?
1275[13:28:07] <jaami_________> network service is not my question
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1277[13:28:52] <rant> if you want to do wifi manually the commands are iwlist, iwconfig, wpa_supplicant though there are others but those are the main ones
1278[13:29:33] <jaami_________> please let me know how to star and stop wifi with command.
1279[13:29:52] <rant> either you are having trouble understanding me or you're trolling
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1282[13:30:08] <BanHammor> man nmcli
1283[13:30:12] <jaami_________> trouble understanding you
1284[13:30:19] <jaami_________> never mind
1285[13:30:35] <jaami_________> will check documentation. Thanks
1286[13:31:01] <BanHammor> if you want to know what went wrong with your current connection, use dmesg and journalctl
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1289[13:31:20] <jkemppainen> Can you please change your nickname? It's rather disconcerting to see such a long trail of underscores.
1290[13:31:30] <rant> that only applies IF you are using network-manager which the very first thing I said was how to restart network-manager
1291[13:31:54] <rant> the only commands that can start/stop wifi specifically are rfkill or rmmod/modprobe of the driver
1292[13:31:56] <jaami_________> i am sorry for many issues with my system :)
1293[13:32:20] <BanHammor> from what i'm guessing about "wifi in taskbar", it probably IS networkmanager
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1295[13:33:09] <rant> yes and from what I'm guessing the user is insistent on answers to the wrong question.. restarting is only a possible work-around.. you'd have to read the logs to figure out what the problem is before it could be addressed
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1298[13:34:52] <p0g0> jaami_________: see if you can find 'ceni', you might like that.
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1301[13:35:27] <p0g0> An ncurses interface manager, deprecated or such, but mine still works...
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1304[13:36:05] <Vonor> trying my good luck. is anyone using a surface pro 4 with a surface dock and external monitor? I am running debian on the surface pro4 and used to have an around 8 year old benq on the dock. it worked perfect. now i have a new asus monitor and on linux it is like russian roulette whether it is recocknized or not. sometimes power off/on works, sometimes a reboot fixes it, but often enough i can't get it to work at all (no hdmi input). on windows it works
1305[13:36:05] <Vonor> fine. with the dock.
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1307[13:36:38] <jaami_________> p0g0: really appreciated that , i believe i need something like ceni
1308[13:36:46] <jkemppainen> Can you please change your nickname.
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1311[13:37:13] <jaami_________> yes sir, i do it
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1313[13:37:44] <jelly> next, jaami__________ joins in
1314[13:37:56] <Vonor> someone needs to learn some irc commands :)
1315[13:38:03] <LeoNerd> s/ some irc commands//
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1319[13:38:20] <Vonor> how mean :P
1320[13:38:28] <jkemppainen> I didn't know /nick was tied to /part on some clients. :)
1321[13:38:33] <jelly> jkemppainen: you didn't tell them to change to a SHORTER nick
1322[13:38:38] <jkemppainen> jelly: lol
1323[13:39:11] <LeoNerd> I thought freenode had a thing to stop too many underscores? Or am I just thinking of bots some folks have in channels, to kick such..
1324[13:39:31] <jkemppainen> Some channels do indeed quiet or ban such nicknames.
1325[13:39:38] <jkemppainen> But it's not a general freenode network thing.
1326[13:40:06] <jelly> in any case, please let ops enforce policy. If you don't like their nick, use /ignore
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1329[13:40:27] <Vonor> anyway. any idea about the monitor issue?
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1332[13:41:52] <BanHammor> i don't really have a clue about your specific hardware, you could try to find out what driver handles the output to the monitor, and then ask the developers in its mailing list
1333[13:42:17] <jelly> Vonor: docks and hotplug are often problematic. Avoiding hotplug, ie. powering off and powering on while on dock might yield more consistent results
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1335[13:43:04] <jelly> and I mean power cycle, not suspend and resume which just adds its own problems
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1337[13:43:43] <Vonor> I hardly ever take it from the dock. so yah, power cycle it usually is.
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1339[13:44:13] <BanHammor> also, yeah, it's probably something related to power management
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1341[13:46:17] <Vonor> this entire piece of ... has troubled me so much. both at work where i have to fix the issues of all the colleagues that have it (running windows) as well as at home. I might as well hand it to my wife with windows and buy another toy for myself :P
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1344[13:48:02] <holyhit> hi, I have a blackscreen during play zak mckracken. Someone can help me?
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1346[13:48:41] <jelly> holyhit: which scummvm interpreter are you using
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1348[13:49:39] <holyhit> Oh I dont know. I play it on debian. At first it works all well, but after a video-sequence, comes the blackscreen
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1350[13:50:47] <s10gopal> even after doing patch -p1 -R , the problem still exist , i need to do git bisect again ? replaced-url
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1358[13:53:51] <holyhit> jelly, synaptic say I can install scummvm interpreter 1.7.0. Thanks for the tip, I will try it
1359[13:54:38] <jelly> there's more than one and I don't know which works the best
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1361[13:55:31] <jelly> huh.
1362[13:55:34] <jelly> ,i beneath-a-steel-sky
1363[13:55:36] <judd> Package beneath-a-steel-sky (games, optional) in stretch/amd64: classic 2D point and click science fiction adventure game. Version: 0.0372-6; Size: 64482.1k; Installed: 71227k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1365[13:55:44] <holyhit> Dont works. I hear the voices in the background but the screen is black
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1367[13:56:10] <jelly> try running it from a terminal and see if there are any options
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1369[13:56:29] <holyhit> i run it from terminal, there are no errors
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1371[13:57:38] <jelly> if that fails I guess you can run an Amiga or C64 emulator for your alien fighting fix
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1375[13:58:15] <holyhit> ok thanks for the tip jelly
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1434[14:34:30] <droid2bsd88> her is my Virtualization Stack host OS Debian Strtecth Dell Technologies VM Ware Workstation Pro ad quite a few vm one of which is Debian 10 (Buster).
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1479[15:02:34] <Sepultura> for a in $(find . -name '*.sln16'); do <-- does anyone see an error here?
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1481[15:03:01] <PerfDave> Sepultura: Not least that it'll break horribly on filenames which contain newlines
1482[15:03:02] <petn-randall> Sepultura: Yes, you didn't provide an error message.
1483[15:03:26] <Sepultura> convert.bash: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `$'do\r''
1484[15:03:26] <Sepultura> 'onvert.bash: line 2: `for a in $(find . -name '*.sln16'); do
1485[15:03:31] <blaztek> Sepultura: use -exec
1486[15:03:44] <Sepultura> where to add -exec?
1487[15:03:57] <petn-randall> Sepultura: And you also didn't provide the complete command you're trying to run.
1488[15:04:00] <PerfDave> Sepultura: you proably need a space before the ; but you should probably use find -exec instead of a for loop as blaztek suggests :)
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1490[15:04:21] <babilen> Sepultura: What are you actually trying to do?
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1495[15:05:33] <blaztek> Sepultura: find . -name '*.sln16' -exec my script {} \;
1496[15:05:46] <blaztek> my_script
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1498[15:06:36] <Sepultura> replaced-url
1499[15:06:40] <Sepultura> this is the script
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1505[15:08:37] <Sepultura> replaced-url
1506[15:10:03] <PerfDave> Sepultura: Yeah, I'd have a bash script which takes a list of filenames as arguments, and runs those sox calls. Then I'd call it from find -exec
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1508[15:12:41] <Sr_X> Sepultura: i think you were looking for >for a in $(find . -name '*.sln16') ; do echo $a ; done
1509[15:12:56] <Sr_X> But -exec seems a better choice
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1568[15:44:46] <noodlepie> I tried to install a Ubuntu dpkg on Debian and it fragged. What should I do to remove the offending package?
1569[15:44:50] <noodlepie> E: The package dynuiuc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
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1571[15:45:39] <petn-randall> noodlepie: 'apt purge <offending package name>'
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1573[15:46:21] <noodlepie> ok trying that...
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1575[15:46:54] <noodlepie> apt purge dynuiuc
1576[15:46:54] <noodlepie> Reading package lists... Done
1577[15:46:54] <noodlepie> Building dependency tree
1578[15:46:54] <noodlepie> Reading state information... Done
1579[15:46:54] <noodlepie> E: The package dynuiuc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
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1596[15:51:30] <quarterback> I have been struggling to setup my soundcard on debian stretch which is 9.4. I only see "dummy output". Is there a way to fix this? It seems the audio chip is detected correctly but the audio system is showing dummy output. I'm perplexed.
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1599[15:51:58] <quarterback> The audio chip I see is realtek alc662
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1601[15:52:37] <at0m> quarterback: does "aplay -l" show only dummy?
1602[15:52:38] <quarterback> I have a G31 motherboard which is a intel clone I believe.
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1604[15:54:00] <quarterback> at0m, No, it shows ALC662 rev 3 on card:0 . It is ALC662 rev3 Analog
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1612[15:55:10] <at0m> quarterback: ok then your card should be working for alsa, and i think the problem lies with your pulseaudio setup
1613[15:55:16] <Guest182> hello. there's no chromium 65 or 66 in stretch. will it come?
1614[15:55:24] <at0m> ,v chromium
1615[15:55:25] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster: 62.0.3202.89-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 64.0.3282.119-1~deb9u1; sid: 66.0.3359.26-2
1616[15:56:11] <quarterback> at0m, How to fix this with pulse audio setup?
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1620[15:56:39] <at0m> quarterback: not sure, and time's up here at work :s
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1622[15:57:02] <quarterback> at0m, Just make a note of this to talk about when you come back again :-)
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1625[15:58:13] <Guest182> at0m, will chromum be updated?
1626[15:58:48] <quarterback> at0m, Also, the sound card is playing everything as mono :/ . I want to enable stereo.
1627[15:59:17] <armin> is there a way to display all contained files of a .deb i have *not* installed, yet, but which is available in some of the repositories i configure?
1628[15:59:19] <armin> +d
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1630[15:59:42] <Guest182> armin, unpack it like a zipped package.
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1632[16:00:07] <Guest182> armin, dpkg -x package.deb /tmp/out
1633[16:00:10] <Guest182> is a way
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1635[16:00:27] <armin> Guest182: that's not convenient, at all.
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1637[16:00:58] <armin> what i basically need is something like dpkg -L but for uninstalled packages i have access to via a repository.
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1640[16:01:52] <Guest182> removing remaining files?
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1644[16:02:22] <Guest182> apt-get --purge autoremove would so it, but remind that config files you have manually created won't be removed, because those weren't known before by the package.
1645[16:04:21] <armin> Guest182: i appreciate your will to help, but that's far from what i was asking...
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1648[16:04:34] <Guest182> sorry :/
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1660[16:10:33] <armin> systemd[1]: apt-daily-upgrade.timer: Adding 26min 28.304103s random time.
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1663[16:10:54] <armin> i get a lot of messages like these on my t tty. i understand what it is doing, but what's the point of spamming tty's with this?
1664[16:11:25] <noodlepie> Anyone help with my dpkg issue - how do I force the removal of a package that's fused
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1669[16:13:54] <alkisg> !bat
1670[16:13:55] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1672[16:14:38] <alkisg> noodlepie: ^
1673[16:15:05] <jelly> fused?
1674[16:16:13] <noodlepie> apt-get purge, apt purge and dpkg -P all fail
1675[16:16:28] <alkisg> I think he means it has a running process
1676[16:16:33] <jelly> armin: [display all contained files of a .deb i have *not* installed] apt-file
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1678[16:16:39] <alkisg> noodlepie: we need exact commands and messages
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1681[16:17:18] <jelly> armin: apt-file isn't too smart, if you have multiple versions available from configured repos, you're going to see all the files from all the versions
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1699[16:28:18] <daniel__> I'm getting a boot error saying: Device on /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt has size of XXXXX sectors which is less smaller than corresponding PV size of YYYYYYY sectors. Was device resized? How can I check where the problem lies and solve it?
1700[16:28:30] <armin> jelly: fair enough, thanks a lot for your kind help!
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1719[16:37:29] <Lope> I found this cool song about open source/linux that I'm inspired to share replaced-url
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1801[17:15:15] <foo> Strange, I'm getting this error when attempting to login to my system: shell request failed on channel 0 - it would seem, per a google, it happens when "an application that is leaking pseudo terminals."
1802[17:15:30] <foo> What kind of application would do this, though? Seems so strange.
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1808[17:18:28] <foo> Sweet, I was able to login as root user
1809[17:19:00] <foo> Ah, # sudo su - dev
1810[17:19:00] <foo> Cannot execute /bin/bash: Cannot allocate memory
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1815[17:22:00] <hyperlumic> That is such a bizarre sudo invocation. sudo -u dev -i
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1819[17:23:01] <foo> Actually, since I was already root, I could have just do su - dev
1820[17:23:16] <hyperlumic> There's that, too. I just don't get 'sudo su.'
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1826[17:24:47] <foo> hyperlumic: I always did that to switch user with root perms. I didn't realize I could do sudo -u dev. Cool
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1829[17:25:25] <Guest88805> Is there an SSH option to have several seperated authorized_keys file in a folder ? i tried AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys.d/* but it does not work. Any idea ?
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1831[17:25:59] <hyperlumic> foo: -i also makes it a login shell, like 'su -' does.
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1834[17:26:27] <foo> "login shell" I believe means it sets environment correctly
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1836[17:27:02] <hyperlumic> foo: Plus, sudoers can be configured to allow a user to change to another user without granting them root privileges at all.
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1839[17:27:34] <greycat> sshd_config(5) says "After expansion, AuthorizedKeysFile is taken to be an absolute path or one relative to the user's home directory. Multiple files may be listed, separated by whitespace."
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1842[17:28:28] <petn-randall> Guest88805: What is your ultimate goal? i.e. what are you trying to achieve with splitting the autorized_keys over several folders?
1843[17:28:54] <greycat> I don't see any provision for "include /foo/*" type syntax.
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1847[17:30:42] <foo> hyperlumic: Heh, did not know that. Thank you!
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1855[17:33:50] <Guest88805> greycat, it seems not apreciate the "*" in -----> "AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys.d/*"
1856[17:34:02] <greycat> 11:28 greycat> I don't see any provision for "include /foo/*" type syntax.
1857[17:34:08] <greycat> The * is a literal asterisk.
1858[17:34:12] <greycat> In yours.
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1887[17:50:21] <bolovanos_> hithere
1888[17:50:50] <bolovanos_> anyone running Wifi and BT concurrently replaced-url
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1890[17:51:23] <bolovanos_> replaced-url
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1892[17:51:44] <PerfDave> I can't say I've ever noticed a problem doing that, but might not be using the same chipset
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1894[17:53:39] <petn-randall> bolovanos_: Probably many people. What problem are you seeing? Are you even using iwldvm?
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1899[17:55:33] <bolovanos_> I am in planning phase - searching which device is compatible with debian right now I am looking at 7265 (dno if D - shop does not state that) or 3168
1900[17:55:57] <jelly> what's iwldvm anyway? I see it loaded but not in use on this Advanced-N 6205 machine
1901[17:56:35] <bolovanos_> device (low powered srv) will be connected through wifi and will be accessing data from field BT-LE devices
1902[17:56:42] <petn-randall> bolovanos_: I'd assume that most Intel things work fine out of the box, you *might* just need a backports kernel + firmware.
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1914[17:59:23] <fly> hello. I heard debian cares a lot about correct licensing. I know of some licensing issue that might affect Debian. Who to contact?
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1917[17:59:47] <cosimone> hi everyone, i'm having a weird issue during installation:
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1919[18:00:13] <r3> fly: maybe start here? replaced-url
1920[18:00:20] <fly> Thx
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1922[18:00:23] <bolovanos_> petn-randall, ok - was just curious because of that sentence on kernel wiki
1923[18:00:28] <cosimone> i'm trying to install on a thinkpad t43p, which requires nonfree firmware to operate the wifi interface. after supplying it during installation via an usb stick, it starts detecting ssids properly
1924[18:00:52] <cosimone> however, after entering the passphrase, it just goes back to the previous screen
1925[18:00:55] <cosimone> no error message, nothing
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1928[18:01:27] <cosimone> i'm pretty sure the interface itself DOES work after supplying it the necessary firmware, as it detects SSIDs, but it just doesn't seem to connect
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1930[18:01:49] <jhutchins_wk> cosimone: Which installer image are you using (for which release)?
1931[18:01:59] <P_B> fly, was going to suggest the legal mailing list
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1933[18:02:33] <cosimone> the 32-bit netinstall image
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1935[18:02:53] <fly> Interesting that website lists the moria license, I thought that it says it is not redistributable
1936[18:02:55] <cosimone> strangely enough, it complains about firmware wether i use that one or the nonfree iso
1937[18:03:03] <fly> (I de-listed it in a nother package manager)
1938[18:03:12] <cosimone> i still have to supply it externally regardless, so i used the standard one at this point
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1943[18:05:03] <jhutchins_wk> cosimone: Even the netinstall installer is supposed to be able to give you a base system which you can then troubleshoot and update and expand.
1944[18:05:10] <jhutchins_wk> cosimone: Why 32b, and which release?
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1947[18:05:38] <cosimone> jhutchins_wk: useless if the base system doesn't install wpa_supplicant
1948[18:05:49] <jelly> fly, replaced-url
1949[18:05:59] <cosimone> jhutchins_wk: why 32b? well, what are you supposed to use on a 32b machine? :^)
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1951[18:06:43] <cosimone> i tried looking for a similar issue on the web, but i couldn't find anything similar
1952[18:06:47] <fly> oh oops.
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1954[18:06:52] <bolovanos_> petn-randall, PerfDave anyway thank you
1955[18:07:02] <fly> jelly: I got it confused with another game. Sorry.
1956[18:07:44] <jelly> fly, Debian mirrors do not operate for profit, so while the license has usage restrictions it can be put on mirrors that choose to distribute the non-free section
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1958[18:08:55] <fly> (Now I am remembering moria as the game that persistently crashed with -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE and I didn't find out what is wrong with it.)
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1960[18:09:20] <cosimone> jhutchins_wk: anyway, release is 9.4.0
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1966[18:10:47] <jhutchins_wk> cosimone: Most of us don't have a lot of experience with the installer, we tend to run it once and then move on.
1967[18:11:05] <jhutchins_wk> cosimone: If you just want it to work, install from a full install image.
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1972[18:11:51] <jelly> cosimone, did you try the unofficial images that already include firmware?
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1974[18:11:58] <jelly> !firmware images
1975[18:11:58] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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1978[18:12:46] <jelly> cosimone, theoretically those should not behave any different than normal installer with firmware provided on the side, but...
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1983[18:13:53] <cosimone> jelly: yes i did try the unofficial images with firmware, as i already said, but the bizarre thing is that it STILL asks for external firmware!
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1989[18:14:37] <jelly> right, I thought I misunderstood
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1991[18:14:44] <cosimone> but the issue here is not "not detecting firmware"
1992[18:15:02] <cosimone> the issue is that it doesn't seem to connect after providing the firmware
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1995[18:15:33] <cosimone> specifically, after choosing my home SSID, i am asked to enter the wpa2 passphrase. after entering it, however, it just goes back to the previous screen
1996[18:15:40] <cosimone> no error messages, no confirmations, nothing
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1999[18:15:47] <cosimone> i can't troubleshoot anything like this
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2001[18:16:22] <cosimone> is there some option to use the command line directly during installation a la gentoo/arch?
2002[18:16:45] <jelly> cosimone, nothing in logs (on Alt-F3 or Alt-F2)?
2003[18:16:47] <greycat> Ctrl-Alt-F2 gives you a console with a shell.
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2006[18:17:33] <cosimone> i can't provide it right now as i'm in the office and that one is an old laptop i have home, but i will try once i get there, thanks
2007[18:18:16] <cosimone> in any case, i've installed multiple distributions countless times via the command line, so if i can do that too on debian it should be better
2008[18:18:35] <cosimone> (yes, i ironically find installation via cli more comfortable than via an interface)
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2010[18:19:03] <cosimone> i'll update you after i try again, thanks for now guys
2011[18:19:22] <jelly> cosimone, using a wired connection during installation will save you some trouble next time
2012[18:19:43] <jelly> firmware and wpasupplicant can be installed and configured later
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2030[18:27:32] <johnfg> hi folks
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2038[18:28:33] <johnfg> got a strange thing with sudo. I have the exact same file on 2 machines running stretch for sudoers, which should make it where neither asks for a passwd.
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2043[18:29:37] <johnfg> However, one does, regardless of the file that has NOPASSWD. It still asks for one.
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2045[18:30:09] <petn-randall> johnfg: which file?
2046[18:30:18] <johnfg> Is there another file somewhere that's making sudo su - ask for a passwd?
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2049[18:30:39] <johnfg> petn-randall: Whatever it is that is brought up when root runs visudo.
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2054[18:31:32] <FinalX> johnfg: btw, "sudo -i" spawns a login shell just like "su -" does
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2061[18:33:09] <hyperlumic> johnfg: Check in /etc/sudoers.d/ to see if something else is overriding /etc/sudoers.
2062[18:33:23] <johnfg> hyperlumic: will do
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2064[18:33:43] <hyperlumic> johnfg: And 'sudo su' is very redundant. Just use 'sudo -i'.
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2067[18:34:24] <furrymcgee> but sudo su is easy to type
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2069[18:34:43] <greycat> not as easy as sudo
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2073[18:36:08] <FinalX> it's just what people type that are used to typing "su -" since before they started using "sudo" :)
2074[18:36:15] <johnfg> hyperlumic: Nothing but the README in /etc/sudoers.d/, and yes, I see after trying it, that sudo -i is better; but it still required a passwd.
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2079[18:37:07] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: What's the actual line you're using to permit this?
2080[18:37:21] <johnfg> the /etc/sudoers is exactly the same on both machines, so not sure why one requires a passwd and one doesn't.
2081[18:37:53] <johnfg> jhutchins_wk: I'll show you: johnfg ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
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2084[18:38:38] <jhutchins_wk> johnfg: It shouldn't matter, but does "johnfg" have the same UID on both boxes?
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2088[18:38:53] <johnfg> jhutchins_wk: I'll check, but I think so.
2089[18:39:09] <jhutchins_wk> Time to start digging into the logs, see what they think is happening.
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2094[18:39:59] <hyperlumic> johnfg: Pastebin two things for me.
2095[18:40:17] <hyperlumic> johnfg: 1) /etc/sudoers in its entirety. 2) The output if 'id' as your user.
2096[18:40:27] <johnfg> jhutchins_wk: Yes, the same uid on both.
2097[18:40:41] <johnfg> hyperlumic: Ok
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2099[18:41:44] <johnfg> replaced-url
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2102[18:42:26] <johnfg> replaced-url
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2107[18:44:11] <hyperlumic> johnfg: And the 'id' output?
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2109[18:44:15] <kinstalinist> I've been trying to figure this out on my own but I'm kinda stumped now, how could I make ifuse run automatically when my iPhone is connected? apparently udev rules aren't allowed to execute commands that mount filesystems?
2110[18:45:17] <kinstalinist> but udev rule also seems to be the standard answer for "make do thing when device attached"
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2115[18:46:19] <johnfg> hyperlumic: Here's the id info: replaced-url
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2122[18:48:47] <hyperlumic> johnfg: Yup, that's your problem.
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2124[18:49:10] <hyperlumic> johnfg: /etc/sudoers is processed sequentially, and the LAST match wins. The system asking for a password, your user is in the sudo group, which is the last matching line in sudoers.
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2126[18:49:33] <hyperlumic> johnfg: On the other system, you're NOT in the sudo group. The only matching line is the NOPASSWD line.
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2128[18:50:24] <hyperlumic> johnfg: Move the user line to after the sudo group line, and that should fix it.
2129[18:50:27] <tw> kinstalinist: use TAG+="systemd", then create a service unit that waits for dev-whatever.device
2130[18:50:57] <kinstalinist> tw: okay, I'll try that, thanks :)
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2134[18:53:46] <johnfg> hyperlumic: Thanks for looking at this. Is there really a need for a user to be in the sudo group, if they're in sudoers anyway?
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2136[18:54:18] <hyperlumic> johnfg: Some programs assume the executing user is in that group as an administrative check, but... eh.
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2138[18:54:30] <hyperlumic> johnfg: If you run into that problem, you can fix it then. Removing yourself from the sudo group will also fix the issue.
2139[18:54:58] <johnfg> hyperlumic: Never had an issue, on the server that I just upgraded to stretch, and has been running as such forever.
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2147[18:56:51] <johnfg> hyperlumic: Thanks again!
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2168[19:15:19] <johnfg> hyperlumic: what is the service that needs to be restarted for id to be reread?
2169[19:15:25] <johnfg> via systemctl
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2172[19:16:12] <greycat> "id" retrieves the privilegs of the current shell process from which you ran it.
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2174[19:16:32] <greycat> the way you "reread" it is to login again, or to mimic a login with su, etc.
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2176[19:17:10] <jelly> hyperlumic, johnfg
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2179[19:17:47] <jelly> hyperlumic, johnfg: or better yet, move any and all customization of sudoers into a separate file inside /etc/sudoers.d/
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2181[19:18:15] <jelly> so sudo package doesn't nag on next release upgrade
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2188[19:19:36] <jelly> (those are included at the end of default /etc/sudoers, so they override stuff in the main config file)
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2190[19:20:41] <zodd> I rebooted my VPS and got into busybox as the root partition cannot be found. Much to my surprise blkid gave no output. Debian Jessie with backport 4.9.0-0.dpo.4-amd64 which cannot be found
2191[19:20:47] <zodd> any suggestions?
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2195[19:20:59] <zodd> *bpo
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2197[19:22:33] <jelly> zodd, what does "cat /proc/cmdline" say
2198[19:22:47] <jelly> what should the root= device be?
2199[19:23:30] <zodd> jelly, /dev/disk/by-label/DOROOT
2200[19:23:32] <johnfg> jelly: I think nscd was what I was thinking of that would have to reread /etc/groups when I issue id=<user>
2201[19:24:12] <zodd> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz.old root=LABEL=DOROOT ro earlyprintk
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2203[19:25:12] <jelly> zodd, okay, is there a "blkid" command inside initramfs shell?
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2207[19:27:25] <zodd> jelly /sbin/blkid does exist
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2211[19:28:39] <jelly> run it and, hope some blockdevs are found, see if there's something familiar even if it does not have the right label
2212[19:29:28] <jelly> oh, you did that already
2213[19:29:33] <zodd> yep
2214[19:29:36] <zodd> no output
2215[19:30:11] <jelly> zodd, are there any disk devices in /dev/? sd*, xvd* whatever your virtualization solution uses?
2216[19:30:52] <zodd> qemu, let me check
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2218[19:31:40] <zodd> no and no
2219[19:31:49] <jelly> (also, why did you pick /vmlinuz.old to boot instead of whatever the current kernel might be)
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2221[19:32:15] <zodd> actually, I did not. No idea why this got selected
2222[19:32:28] <jelly> can you reboot and pick a different one?
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2226[19:33:28] <zodd> maybe. I think so. I need to get some food first. Thanks for the support. Empty stomach fixing is troublesome ;-)
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2254[19:51:56] <password4> :/
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2256[19:52:06] <password4> may pixels are more than my screen
2257[19:52:09] <password4> my*
2258[19:53:35] <password4> half my taskbar gets chopped off
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2262[19:54:27] <password4> how do i fix it?
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2266[19:57:03] <jelly> password4, see if you can use "xrandr" command to reset to native resolution
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2268[19:57:32] <password4> its set to 1920x1080
2269[19:57:52] <jelly> password4, and which resolution does your current monitor have?
2270[19:58:17] <password4> previously i used NVidia X Server settings program to try and fix it , but after I play minecraft my deskpt scrolls
2271[19:58:24] <password4> supposedly 1920
2272[19:58:38] <jelly> are you able to pastebin the output of xrandr?
2273[19:58:48] <jelly> if this a monitor or a TV?
2274[19:58:52] <password4> it displayed fine on vga , but ever since i switched to hdmi and got a new gfx card its not perfect anymore
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2278[20:01:31] <password4> if i set underscan to like 21 its fixed
2279[20:01:37] <password4> until i play a game
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2282[20:03:34] <jhutchins_wk> password4: Games are notorious about not obeying system settings, and messing up video in particular.
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2284[20:04:06] <password4> jhutchins_wk, well i don't see why my desktop starts scrolling
2285[20:04:07] <Luxury> ,
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2288[20:04:39] <password4> ie the displayed area is too big and if i move mouse to an edge the whole screen moves a bit in the opposite direction
2289[20:04:46] <password4> very odd
2290[20:05:09] <password4> also , after i boot i have to put my system to sleep , else it lags extremely
2291[20:05:27] <password4> like X or something keeps crashing and restarting
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2296[20:08:18] <Brigo> password4, you have to change the display resolution with some tool
2297[20:08:58] <jhutchins_wk> !dpi
2298[20:08:58] <password4> i use the nvidia panel usually
2299[20:08:58] <dpkg> Your Dots Per Inch (DPI) setting affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_millimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, ask me about <xorg config>. replaced-url
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2304[20:09:23] <Guest34080> alright i fixed that issue i had last week
2305[20:09:31] <Guest34080> if u guys run into this too
2306[20:09:36] * jelly waits for answers
2307[20:09:48] <Guest34080> where in docker it was repeating the same line
2308[20:10:02] <hyperlumic> Pretend we have no idea who you are or what issue you were having.
2309[20:10:15] <Guest34080> so i guess term is gone
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2311[20:10:43] <Guest34080> i looked on my desktop and term is now term_color256
2312[20:10:45] <Brigo> jelly, is a very patient person :)
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2314[20:10:53] <Guest34080> dood shutup
2315[20:10:56] <Guest34080> already
2316[20:11:11] <Guest34080> i get it
2317[20:11:50] <Guest34080> so anyhow
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2320[20:12:19] <Guest34080> i change my term and now everything works
2321[20:12:21] <Guest34080> export TERM=xterm-256color
2322[20:12:33] <Guest34080> now my text falls to the next line
2323[20:12:35] <jelly> !win Guest34080
2324[20:12:36] <dpkg> Congratulations, Guest34080! You have won the US presidency!
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2326[20:12:59] <Guest34080> jelly: dont be pissed
2327[20:13:06] <Guest34080> im ur friend
2328[20:13:10] <hyperlumic> Guest34080: We have no idea what you are talking about or who you are.
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2331[20:13:34] <Guest34080> hyperlumic: im sure some ppl here know exactly what im talking about
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2333[20:13:43] <Guest34080> if they use docker
2334[20:13:47] <hyperlumic> Guest34080: You'd be surprised just how short our short-term memory is here.
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2337[20:14:17] <jelly> I literally fail to remember who I helped yesterday and what about. Let alone last Thursday.
2338[20:14:21] <hyperlumic> ^
2339[20:14:22] <password4> a very prominent problem for one person can be non existent for another
2340[20:14:47] <Guest34080> thats fine
2341[20:14:49] <hyperlumic> Guest34080: You are a forgotten, unmemorable snowflake, just like the rest of us.
2342[20:14:54] <jelly> Especially if they have a random Guest* username, sorry Guest34080
2343[20:15:15] <jelly> dpkg bot is just happy you solved your issue
2344[20:15:17] <Guest34080> i think ur jus jellius
2345[20:15:17] <dpkg> ...but bot is already something else...
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2348[20:15:57] <hyperlumic> Guest34080: If I remember to figure out what jellius is, I'm sure I'll either forget to remember or remember to forget, and then we're right back where we started. I forget where that was...
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2361[20:19:29] <Guest34080> jelly: ur not a very good debian representative
2362[20:19:48] <Tenkawa> we arent representatives
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2366[20:20:41] <Guest34080> u seem more of a redhat person
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2374[20:23:06] <jelly> Guest34080, if you want to comment on the way people behave in here, you can try that in #debian-offtopic not here. Keep your lines in #debian focused on tech support if possible, please.
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2429[20:49:28] <Guest34080> any1 know when debian will come with php7.2
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2433[20:50:15] <Exterminador> is there any good tutorial for how to create a deb package from a git repo?
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2435[20:51:20] <annadane> php _may_ be backported at some stage. i don't know how easy or hard it is
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2438[20:51:50] <annadane> i think there's a package for the git repo thing but don't recall what it is
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2440[20:53:19] <jelly> Guest34080, with Debian 10 probably
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2445[20:53:33] <Exterminador> it'd be great if I can build it from some other distro than Debian itself.
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2454[20:55:28] <ingiraxo> hi
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2460[20:56:20] <Tenkawa> greetings
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2463[20:58:21] <jelly> Guest34080, but if you need to work with it right away, see /msg dpkg deb.sury.org
2464[20:58:21] <ingiraxo> have someone a little bit time, i need explain one thing
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2467[20:58:54] <annadane> sure, go ahead and ask
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2469[21:00:07] <ingiraxo> my server running on debian and i user iptables for port and ip forwarding.. but i dont know if is possible keep original client IP after forward to destination IP
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2474[21:00:16] <ingiraxo> *use
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2478[21:01:36] <ingiraxo> on my second PC running http server and always get IP or server instead real client :/
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2495[21:09:49] <tw> ingiraxo: is it a router that forwarded PCs use as a gateway?
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2501[21:11:33] <tw> ingiraxo: try changing your MASQUERADE or SNAT rule to ignore connections going to the forwarding target.
2502[21:11:43] <ingiraxo> so, i have one PC (like server) which have internal IP and contain virtual linux (via vmware - Bridged) with public IP
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2506[21:13:02] <ingiraxo> currently without MASQUERADE cannot ping http server :|
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2509[21:14:29] <Tenkawa> dont trust ping(icmp)
2510[21:14:37] <Tenkawa> use real tcp/udp packets
2511[21:14:56] <ingiraxo> ok, i try it on mobile and cannot get response from the server :)
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2513[21:15:29] <Tenkawa> do you have a logging rule in ?
2514[21:15:40] <Tenkawa> so you can see why its being blocked?
2515[21:15:43] <Guest34080> how come debian doesnt add it now?
2516[21:15:49] <ingiraxo> anyway.. if try tcpdump, i get record about incoming connection mobile device and try forward to destination IP
2517[21:15:53] <Tenkawa> or what its doing with the packet?
2518[21:16:00] <Guest34080> seems like a long wait for 7.2
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2521[21:17:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1583
2522[21:17:59] <hyperlumic> !give Guest34080 sns
2523[21:18:00] * dpkg gives Guest34080 sns
2524[21:18:06] <hyperlumic> That didn't work.
2525[21:18:11] <hyperlumic> !sns
2526[21:18:11] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
2527[21:18:14] <hyperlumic> Guest34080: ^
2528[21:18:37] <hyperlumic> Oh, right, it's !tell I think.
2529[21:18:40] <Guest34080> ya i dont suffer from that
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2531[21:18:48] <hyperlumic> Guest34080: Yeah, you do.
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2533[21:18:52] <Guest34080> no
2534[21:19:00] <hyperlumic> Yes.
2535[21:19:02] <Guest34080> its some1 else
2536[21:19:07] <Guest34080> i got it from him
2537[21:19:15] <Guest34080> he diseased me
2538[21:19:32] <hyperlumic> The first step is knowing you have a problem.
2539[21:19:50] <ingiraxo> Tenkawa, no, i doesnt any logs :/
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2541[21:20:09] <Guest34080> its not my problem
2542[21:20:22] <Guest34080> i like stable which is why i like debian
2543[21:20:43] <Tenkawa> ingiraxo: you might want to turn on the iptables logging rule for the rules you are trying to track
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2545[21:20:55] <Tenkawa> (cant remember off the top of my head how)
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2547[21:21:29] <Tenkawa> someone correct me if I am way off here
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2549[21:22:51] <ingiraxo> i try google it, and is realy posible keep source (client) IP after forward? i read few articles about it and im confused :/
2550[21:23:12] <Tenkawa> I used it.. but it was a long long time ago
2551[21:23:18] <ejr> i am on debian 9 and cannot get wireless to work, neither the internal card nor external usb wifi cards that worked on e.g. debian jessie. When I try to connect with wicd-client, it says "Connection failed: Unable to get IP Address"
2552[21:23:43] <jhutchins_wk> ingiraxo: What you want is "port forwarding" without NAT.
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2554[21:23:53] <ejr> and the wicd.log says "DHCP connection failed"
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2556[21:24:20] <Tenkawa> ejr: did you set your country and make sure your system clock was correct?
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2560[21:24:48] <ejr> TEnkawa: both are correct, yes. THis is also not a newly installed system, have been using it for months (but with ethernet so far)
2561[21:25:19] <ingiraxo> jhutchins_wk, so thats mean dont use masquerade or snat right? but any solutions without masquerade doesnt work for me :D
2562[21:25:27] <Tenkawa> still are always things to check
2563[21:25:45] <Tenkawa> I check them everytime
2564[21:25:56] <jhutchins_wk> ejr: Network Manager has become more reliable than WICD. You need to see if the drivers are loading and if it needs firmware.
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2566[21:26:24] <ejr> jhutchins_wk: you mean network-manager-gnome from the repos?
2567[21:26:45] <jhutchins_wk> ejr: That's what I would expect, but it's been quite a while since I worked with IPTables, and I'm not sure of the details. Unfortunately, articles on the web don't make the distinction very well.
2568[21:27:07] <jhutchins_wk> ejr: You don't need the gnome part, there's a cli and applets for other desktops.
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2572[21:27:29] <jhutchins_wk> ingiraxo: That's what I would expect, but it's been quite a while since I worked with IPTables, and I'm not sure of the details. Unfortunately, articles on the web don't make the distinction very well.
2573[21:27:37] <jhutchins_wk> ejr: Sorry if that was confusing, wrong nic.
2574[21:28:59] <ejr> jhutchins_wk: almost thought so, np
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2576[21:29:06] <ejr> thx so far, will check out network-manager
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2579[21:29:34] * Tenkawa likes good ole vi /etc/network/interfaces
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2581[21:30:19] <ejr> Tenkawa: me too, but i often need to connect to a university network in the future, which uses WPA2-PEAP authentication. Not sure if that can be managed with interfaces
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2587[21:31:32] <Tenkawa> yeeh
2588[21:31:35] <Tenkawa> er yeah
2589[21:31:45] <Tenkawa> it still can call wpasupplicant
2590[21:31:53] <Tenkawa> just like anything else
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2597[21:33:14] <Tenkawa> I have one entry able in interfaces setup to connect me up to like 12 networks I use'
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2599[21:35:33] <michael2> hi all, I've just downloaded the netinstaller with non-free firmware from here:
2600[21:35:36] <michael2> replaced-url
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2603[21:37:22] <michael2> I only have wifi available for the netinstaller. my question is, will the netinstaller be able to get the wifi working in order to be able to download the rest of the packages?
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2605[21:38:23] <rabbitear_sdf> michael2: yes
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2607[21:39:20] <ingiraxo> jhutchins_wk, Tenkawa, i make scheme my home.. replaced-url
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2611[21:40:26] <ingiraxo> tcp dump on 192.168.1.20 get real IP of client, so configuration vmware works fine
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2618[21:41:13] <michael2> rabbitear_sdf: cool, thanks. is there anyway to be able to tell in advance whether a systems wifi adapter will require proprietary firmware?
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2623[21:42:10] <Tenkawa> ingiraxo: i walked away.. what was your last question?
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2645[21:44:22] <ingiraxo> Tenkawa, look at my scheme a tell me, where i must search a problem ;)
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2649[21:44:53] <Tenkawa> do you have it on pastebin?
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2659[21:45:23] <ingiraxo> Tenkawa, here: replaced-url
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2674[21:47:26] <Tenkawa> yes all packets are going to look like .20 unless you forward however with that ping will not work unless you also create an ICMP rule
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2681[21:48:25] <Tenkawa> I may have the first part backwards
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2684[21:49:11] <Tenkawa> (quite drained at this point in the day)
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2695[21:51:32] <ingiraxo> Tenkawa, ping does not have to work, it is important to operate a specific port :) anyway so it is imposible for my current home scheme?
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2697[21:52:04] <ingiraxo> and always get .20 IP? :(
2698[21:52:46] <Tenkawa> ingiraxo: a simple port forward out to in should work fine then... if its not then something else is blocking it.. could very easily be isp blocking it
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2700[21:53:58] <Tenkawa> if you are testing from outside
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2703[21:54:42] <ingiraxo> Tenkawa, i have all port opened, problem is hiding real IP behind server IP.. thats way my http server see always server ip :/
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2706[21:55:19] <ingiraxo> sry for my EN, i hope make a sense :))
2707[21:55:28] <Tenkawa> what do you mean "thats way my http server see always server
2708[21:55:29] <Tenkawa> ip"
2709[21:55:54] <Tenkawa> I think thats where we are getting confused
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2714[21:57:05] <ingiraxo> Tenkawa, that mean... http server have on another PC at 192.168.1.10 logging always incoming connections from 192.168.1.20 (map to public IP on my router) instean IP from (for example mobile ISP)
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2721[21:58:16] <ingiraxo> Tenkawa, just iptables via forward hide source IP of client and use server IP.. send packet to .10 and on http server log from .20
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2723[21:59:27] <Tenkawa> afk for a bit... need to test a piece of code
2724[21:59:48] <ingiraxo> Tenkawa, (client IP 1.1.1.1 go to web XYZ -> IP 2.2.2.2, then forward to http server IP 3.3.3.3 and he log incoming connection like 2.2.2.2 instead 1.1.1.1 ... it is clear now? :)
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2763[22:27:44] <JordiGH> If I'm moving an encrypted Debian installation from one disk's partition to another, can I just use, for example, `dd if=/dev/sdb5 of=/dev/sdb5` ?
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2765[22:28:13] <JordiGH> Assuming I've already formatted /dev/sdb with a boot partition and an encrypted partition.
2766[22:28:29] <JordiGH> /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are of different sizes.
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2777[22:32:13] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: If you use DD, you can copy the partition itself. There's also partclone.
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2779[22:32:32] <JordiGH> But the partition itself isn't what I want, since they're of different sizes.
2780[22:32:49] <JordiGH> Right?
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2791[22:39:15] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: assuming you mean sda5 and sdb5 and sda5 <= sdb5
2792[22:39:31] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: it should work
2793[22:39:34] <BlueMatt> weird question, on ppc64le on testing, xts doesnt show up in /proc/crypt (and thus the installer will fail any time you try to make an encrypted volume
2794[22:39:37] <BlueMatt> but the xts module is loaded
2795[22:39:53] <JordiGH> dondelelcaro: yes, I'd better not make that typo when it's time to do it for real.
2796[22:40:10] <Tenkawa> well darn
2797[22:40:10] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: though you might want to use ddrescue or dcfldd instead of dd
2798[22:40:18] <petn-randall> BlueMatt: You might have better changes asking in:
2799[22:40:20] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2800[22:40:21] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2801[22:40:30] <petn-randall> BlueMatt: ^^^ All the other testing users hang out there, too.
2802[22:40:32] <Tenkawa> that test failed
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2804[22:40:43] <SerajewelKS> what would cause a USB disconnect on a USB drive read error? i'm assuming the USB controller in the drive is garbage. trying to ddrescue a failing USB drive for a friend, and every read error there is a USB disconnect/reconnect in the kernel log.
2805[22:40:45] <JordiGH> I don't have any important data on this drive that I don't have anywhere else, but lots of comfortable configs that I don't feel like rebuilding.
2806[22:40:57] <SerajewelKS> i'm having to run ddrescue in a loop
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2808[22:40:59] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: yeah, makes sense.
2809[22:41:10] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: my only other suggestion is to make sure that sda5 is unmounted
2810[22:41:25] <JordiGH> dondelelcaro: What about the LUKS header? Shouldn't I dd through the /dev/mapper unencrypted thingies instead?
2811[22:41:41] <JordiGH> Yeah, I'm doing the whole operation from a bootable live usb.
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2813[22:41:53] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: are you going to remove sda5 and never use it again?
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2817[22:42:15] <JordiGH> Plugging in the usb, plugging in the source hard disk (/dev/sdb), then copying into /dev/sda (which is larger)
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2819[22:42:31] <JordiGH> I think I first need to setup the encrypted partition on /dev/sda, though
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2826[22:43:58] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: you just have to partition it; when you do the dd, the luks stuff will get copied
2827[22:44:13] <JordiGH> But does that transfer correctly? The LUKS header has a UUID.
2828[22:44:25] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: yeah, but the UUID is in the luks header on sdb5
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2830[22:44:37] <JordiGH> And that's also valid for the /dev/sda5 partition?
2831[22:44:47] <JordiGH> It's not going to resize the partition to be smaller or something?
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2833[22:44:56] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: hrm; I assumed it used the filesystem UUID, not the PARTUUID
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2836[22:45:19] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: at least my crypttab uses the luks filesystem UUID, not the PARTUUID
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2839[22:46:01] <JordiGH> Well, if I do this carefully, at worst I'll lose a little time, and at the very worst I'll lose a lot of time as I rebuild my Debian system and re-download all of my work.
2840[22:46:18] <JordiGH> What does ddrescue or ddfldd do?
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2843[22:46:34] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: they just set the blocksize and other settings intelligently, and give you nice progress bars
2844[22:46:56] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: ddrescue can also retry through bad sectors, and other things (but that shouldn't matter here)
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2848[22:48:51] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: after doing the dd, you'll want to resize the luks filesystem, and then whatever you have inside of luks
2849[22:48:58] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: but that's generally pretty straihgt forward
2850[22:49:09] <JordiGH> Okay, I hope this all works out...
2851[22:49:12] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: heh
2852[22:49:23] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: it should; I've done this dance a few times
2853[22:49:35] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: though in my case, I do luks+lvm
2854[22:49:37] <JordiGH> Migrated laptops like I am?
2855[22:50:00] <JordiGH> I'm currently doing enough of d-i on the new laptop to get to the partitioning.
2856[22:50:02] <dondelelcaro> JordiGH: yep; recently switched to a SSD from the drive that was in this laptop
2857[22:50:35] <JordiGH> I had to do an insecure boot to get the thing to boot Debian from a usb to begin with
2858[22:50:44] <JordiGH> Can't wait to wipe Windows 10.
2859[22:50:45] <dondelelcaro> though in this case, I just did the partitioning, dd'ed appropriately, and set up a new luks and did pvmove
2860[22:51:16] <dondelelcaro> (since LVM on top of luks lets you do crazy things like live migrate filesystems)
2861[22:51:50] <JordiGH> Wait, isn't it the other way around?
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2865[22:51:53] <JordiGH> LUKS inside LVM?
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2870[22:53:17] <JordiGH> Dammit, d-i, why do you want to setup the network before we partition?
2871[22:53:52] <hyperlumic> JordiGH: Why would you run LUKS inside LVM?
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2873[22:54:23] <JordiGH> Isn't LVM what normally does /dev/sda1 /dev/sda5 and inside /dev/sda5 it setups LUKS?
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2876[22:55:15] <hyperlumic> JordiGH: That sounds like you don't really understand what LVM is/does.
2877[22:55:23] <JordiGH> That's great.
2878[22:55:27] <JordiGH> So anyways...
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2880[22:55:58] <JordiGH> Do you think I can get stable to run on a stinkpad X1 Carbon gen5?
2881[22:56:05] <hyperlumic> JordiGH: That said, I think I might be reading what you said in reverse.
2882[22:56:17] <JordiGH> I could find no evidence online of anyone who had attempted it.
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2884[22:56:33] <hyperlumic> JordiGH: Use LVM to aggregate storage, then LUKS on top so that you're only unlocking one volume, not every physical disk.
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2886[22:57:27] <JordiGH> Yikes, off to a bad start, not sure that d-i can even find the new disk!
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2888[22:58:26] <hyperlumic> JordiGH: I don't know if Lenovo does what Dell does, but if the system includes Intel Rapid Storage, the disk might be presented as a fakeraid controller.
2889[22:58:59] <hyperlumic> JordiGH: You might try going into the UEFI config and changing storage from RAID to AHCI, if such an option is presented.
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2901[23:03:24] <JordiGH> hyperlumic: Saw no such option.
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2903[23:05:03] <JordiGH> Hm, weird.
2904[23:05:10] <JordiGH> The live system sees it fine, though.
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2906[23:05:25] <JordiGH> Now, can I easily do the default partitioning from the live system that d-i does?
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2908[23:06:37] <hyperlumic> No idea. Haven't done a live install in ages.
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2911[23:07:36] <JordiGH> The Ubuntu live install had a cute little button on the desktop you could press to install. I guess the Debian live install is just for actually running Debian.
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2925[23:13:06] <lihizu> Hi. Y debian.org.ua is dead?
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2927[23:14:26] <JordiGH> Huh, d-i calls it /dev/nvme0n1
2928[23:14:29] <JordiGH> What is this?
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2933[23:15:48] <JordiGH> Whatever, d-i is now writing 1 TB of junk for the encryption
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2938[23:17:31] <hyperlumic> JordiGH: It's addressing NVMe storage directly without using SCSI/SATA emulation, I believe.
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2948[23:21:40] <epiflux> sudo debian-installer-launcher
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2953[23:23:46] <zodd> I just ran an upgrade from Jessie to Stretch. Although I defined RESUME=auto in both conf.d/resume as well as in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf I still get after issuing: dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools ---> W: initramfs-tools failed to select a resume device
2954[23:24:11] <zodd> is it mandatory to make it explicit? (it is on a SSD VPS)
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2959[23:26:11] <SerajewelKS> zodd: do you have a swap volume in /etc/fstab?
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2963[23:27:05] <zodd> SerajewelKS, yep: /swapfile none swap sw 0 0
2964[23:27:42] <SerajewelKS> zodd: can hibernation actually use a swap file? i thought it had to be a device.
2965[23:28:49] <SerajewelKS> keep in mind the early kernel is in the initramfs without access to /
2966[23:29:12] <zodd> afaik it can. It seemed to help when RAM was limited on my VPS
2967[23:29:16] <SerajewelKS> i don't think you want to mount a filesystem to read the resume image, when the resume image itself has that filesystem mounted
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2969[23:29:43] <SerajewelKS> you can use a file as a swap area, yes. but i don't think you can resume a hibernated system from a swap file.
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2971[23:29:56] <zodd> the problem is: there is only one volume without the ability to create another
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2973[23:30:28] <SerajewelKS> hmm according to these docs, hibernation to a file *can* work
2974[23:30:51] <SerajewelKS> but it requires a custom config
2975[23:31:18] <SerajewelKS> zodd: have a look at replaced-url
2976[23:31:30] <zodd> ty. Checking it
2977[23:31:32] <SerajewelKS> my guess is that the system is refusing to automatically use a swap area that isn't a device
2978[23:31:42] <SerajewelKS> because if that swap area is fragmented, then it can't reliably work
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2980[23:32:16] <SerajewelKS> at that stage, / isn't mounted. so it needs to know the offset of the file in the volume.
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2982[23:32:26] <SerajewelKS> and if it's fragmented, it can't possibly work
2983[23:32:38] <SerajewelKS> so automatically configuring for resuming from a swap file might be dangerous
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2985[23:33:36] <zodd> iirc I used (a long time ago): replaced-url
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2987[23:34:15] <SerajewelKS> sure. but note that using the swap area for swap and using the swap area for the resume image is quite different, because of the stage the kernel is in when the resume image needs to be read.
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2991[23:34:53] <SerajewelKS> so yeah i would have expected it to work for a swap area for a long time
2992[23:35:03] <SerajewelKS> but without explicit config, i can't see how it would have ever worked to hold the resume image
2993[23:35:17] <SerajewelKS> zodd: do you even need to support hibernation on this VM?
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2995[23:35:36] <zodd> nope, I do not, it is a server, not a laptop
2996[23:35:43] <SerajewelKS> okay. then ignore the warning. :)
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2998[23:35:55] <SerajewelKS> all it's telling you is that hibernation isn't going to work
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3000[23:36:31] <zodd> SerajewelKS, not entirely true afaik. That used to be the case, but at some point the RESUME config became mandatory
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3006[23:37:54] <zodd> SerajewelKS, replaced-url
3007[23:38:10] <zodd> all I want is to keep it in a bootable state
3008[23:38:21] <SerajewelKS> it was never mandatory if you didn't need hibernate support
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3013[23:39:33] <zodd> regardless, I think the error I get is weird as RESUME is defined. No idea why it does not see that
3014[23:40:02] <zodd> you can argue if it is properly defined and useful in a certain case
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3016[23:40:46] <zodd> oeps. I stand corrected. It no longer claims it is not defined
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3018[23:42:13] <zodd> I guess I just have to reboot and see what happens :P
3019[23:43:19] <Tenkawa> zodd: whats up? I missed it
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3022[23:44:37] <SerajewelKS> zodd: it is defined, the problem is that you're asking for it to automatically select a device and it can't find an appropriate device to use
3023[23:44:38] <zodd> Tenkawa, hopefully my server in a few secs
3024[23:45:13] <SerajewelKS> zodd: RESUME=none is probably what you want
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3026[23:45:39] <zodd> SerajewelKS, yes. That is what I ended up with
3027[23:45:49] <zodd> auto just gives errors
3028[23:46:09] <SerajewelKS> and it's not what you want anyway since you aren't using hibernate
3029[23:46:29] <zodd> grub just throws busybox at me atm :-(
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3031[23:46:38] <SerajewelKS> :/
3032[23:47:44] <SerajewelKS> that's probably related to something else, not the resume device config
3033[23:47:51] <zodd> true
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3036[23:48:11] <zodd> ancient hw emu (qemu) as the droplet is quite old
3037[23:48:26] <zodd> guess I have to battle that out with tech support
3038[23:49:00] <zodd> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz.old root=LABEL=DOROOT ro earlyprintk
3039[23:49:17] <zodd> I do not want that
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