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11 [00:08:20] <simbalion`> will buster be using php 7.2 or 7.3?
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14 [00:12:51] <ml|> judd: version php
15 [00:12:52] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49;
buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
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17 [00:13:01] <ml|> simbalion`:^
18 [00:13:11] <simbalion`> ty
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45 [00:43:24] <kreyren> can i get steam in snap on debian?
46 [00:43:39] <kreyren> (it has deps that i dont want to have in
a system)
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70 [01:06:56] <Guest57775> Anyone here ever do an iPXE boot
netinstall?
71 [01:08:36] <Guest57775> kreyren: what deps don't you
want?
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73 [01:08:48] <jmcnaught> kreyren: I don't know about snap,
but there's a flatpak for steam
74 [01:09:45] <kreyren> flatpak might work, ty
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100 [01:38:27] <UnRealLab> Is there a better channel than this to
ask about directory structure changes in the mirrors? I have a site
local mirror of debian that I use to netboot and netinstall systems,
and the kernels and initrds disappeared recently for stretch.
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117 [01:57:20] <EdePopede> UnRealLab: irc.oftc.net has them all
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163 [02:43:59] <|aaron> Can someone help me out with the correct
syntax to add check-vaid-until=false into an apt .list file?
I'm trying stuff like "deb check-valid-until=false
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166 [02:45:07] <|aaron> ok okay the brackets are actually
required lol, not just a syntax hint
167 [02:46:35] <|aaron> bah its just ignoring the option now,
still trying to check InRelease for the last update date
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171 [02:48:32] <|aaron> "deb [ check-valid-until=no ] ....
" sure seems like it should work based on the man page?
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175 [02:50:53] <|aaron> Oh I see, jessie's apt doesnt
support that option for individual entries
176 [02:50:59] <|aaron> I guess I have to set it globally then.
Lame.
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188 [03:06:46] <rwp> Is there an official notice about end of the
jessie-updates/main suite? I know it is time for it to be in LTS
mode. But I couldn't find any official notice of the EOF for
jessie-updates (aka the old volatile).
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191 [03:08:14] <KNERD> rwp: sort of
192 [03:08:47] <rwp> KNERD, Go on...
193 [03:08:51] <KNERD>
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194 [03:09:33] <rwp> So Jessie is already in archive.debian.org
now?
195 [03:09:53] <KNERD> The topic also says the same thing
196 [03:10:21] <KNERD> just type in /topic
197 [03:10:34] <rwp> I hadn't noticed it in the topic. But
with your prompting I do see it there now.
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200 [03:10:56] <rwp> I have been off on travel the last two weeks
and saw that it happened but didn't have time to research it.
201 [03:11:05] <rwp> Now that I am back I decided to look into it
a little more closely.
202 [03:11:31] <moth_> Semenium is supplied with no guarantees of
its usability for any purpose whatsoever, neither express nor
implied.
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208 [03:13:24] <rwp> It does seem that things have happened
without clear communication about it.
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213 [03:14:17] <KNERD> yes, I would agree
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216 [03:15:49] <rwp> Thank you KNERD for the information. I
appreciate it.
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219 [03:17:19] <KNERD> Sure, anytime
220 [03:17:45] <KNERD> I was caught off guard also. I was going a
fresh install a couple of days ago and all of a sudden I am settign
about repo not available
221 [03:18:24] <KNERD> Some developers stil not supporting Debain
9 yet
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228 [03:20:47] <rwp> KNERD, Oh! Looks like there is also
#debian-lts (on OFTC) that I should pay attention to for these
things.
229 [03:21:49] <rwp> I have a client that is still running a
Jessie web server in production. They aren't quite ready to
make the PHP change to 7 yet.
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231 [03:22:16] <KNERD> well, they got until June next year
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233 [03:22:40] <rwp> That is the way it looks on the schedule.
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236 [03:23:05] <KNERD> With all these peopl estill stuck on 8, I
wonder if they should offer Enterprise LTS until 20XX for a fee
237 [03:23:30] <rwp> My client folks are aware of the issue and
are planning on making the migration. It's just a matter of
time until it happens.
238 [03:23:52] <rwp> Well, for commercial support there is
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240 [03:24:03] <KNERD> i made two upgrades this week on servers.
Quite harmless
241 [03:24:28] <KNERD> oh nice. Did not know that excisted
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244 [03:25:12] <rwp> I have upgraded my own systems and things
have mostly gone pretty well. However phpmyadmin failed the upgrade
on the most recent one.
245 [03:25:38] <rwp> I didn't investigate root root cause. I
simply purged phpmyadmin and then continued the upgrade. Everything
else upgraded okay.
246 [03:25:42] <KNERD> Acutally I did have a latop I aldo
upgraded. It was a bit of a pain. I have to remove all of the i386
packages off of it
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248 [03:26:13] <rwp> However on the previous upgrade I ran into
local options turning on the mysql slow query log and the options
have changed. *THAT* caused that mysql upgrade to fail.
249 [03:26:36] <KNERD> ouch
250 [03:26:37] <rwp> So now it is on my list to remove all local
database config before the upgrade and restore it as appropriate
afterward.
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252 [03:27:02] <rwp> And doing that the next mysql upgrade to
mariadb went without a problem. Except that one had the phpmyadmin
failure for some reason.
253 [03:27:25] <KNERD> Yeah it seems the upgrades are getting
shorter. At least it is not Fedora with upgrades every 6 months
254 [03:27:50] <rwp> Regarding your comment... I have stayed away
from the multi-arch so do not know what issues lurk there.
255 [03:28:26] <rwp> Every two years is a good upgrade cycle.
Long enough that it isn't happening every other day. Short
enough that you remember how it is supposed to be done. Feels like a
good cycle to me.
256 [03:28:55] <KNERD> I think CentOS 5 was arounf for 10 years
257 [03:29:11] <|aaron> So wait jessie/main is getting moved to
archives too? Its still on ftp.us.debian.org atm?
258 [03:29:15] <rwp> Every six months is like moving from one
unfinished house every six months to another unfinished house.
259 [03:29:25] <KNERD> lol..yeha it is
260 [03:29:39] <moth_> yee-haw jiba jiba
261 [03:30:25] <rwp> The 10 year plan is interesting but you know
that anyone that is forced to upgrade at the end of 10 years is just
going to have to install a fresh system and then do a full new
development upon it. People on that decade long upgrade cycle have
no interest in upgrading.
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263 [03:31:12] <KNERD> yeah, that is why CentOS gave up on those
system updates. It was just breaking everything
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265 [03:31:26] <KNERD> I see CentOS 7 will be around for 10 years
also
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267 [03:32:30] <rwp> CentOS mirrors the RHEL release cycle. Red
Hat offers the 10 year cycle to their customers.
268 [03:32:53] <rwp> On Jessie LTS here is the list of official
suites. I should have looked there first.
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271 [03:34:27] <|aaron> rwp: Thank you for posting that, so
jessie main *is* going to remain in the primary repo. Channel title
is misleading...
272 [03:35:26] <rwp> Actually I think RHEL/CentOS is now just
starting to support upgrades. I saw that recently I am sure. But
previously they never did.
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274 [03:36:19] <rwp> |aaron, JFTR *I* haven't been paying
attention so *I* do not know. But typically it would remain in the
main repository for the duration of the LTS lifecycle. That is how
it has worked before.
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277 [03:36:51] <KNERD> I do wonder if I would get sued for this
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278 [03:37:50] <|aaron> rwp: Yeah thats what your link seems to
say, and what someone told me in this channel a day or two ago, and
its still there currently whereas updates and backports is gone, so
I think you're right
279 [03:38:14] <|aaron> I think the channel title is just wrong
280 [03:39:25] <|aaron> Or misleading I guess. Its now
"jessie-lts" but the sources.list name hasnt changed
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282 [03:39:37] <rwp> I think khaki hat linux would be dancing
with the devil on that one. (BTW... I saw a pub named Red Hat just
this week!)
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288 [03:40:49] <KNERD> I think that pub is okay, because there is
something called the "Red Hat Society"
289 [03:41:08] <rwp> The Ladies Red Hat Society. Yes. A fun
group!
290 [03:41:33] <rwp> One of the reasons I am here talking is that
I haven't been paying attention. I appreciate the community
helping to look out for each other here. :-)
291 [03:41:45] <KNERD> yes, mostly single Cougars
292 [03:42:00] <KNERD> any time
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295 [03:43:09] <rwp> Actually around here the ladies group I have
seen out have all been quite grey haired elderly women out for the
social chat.
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298 [03:44:07] <melissa666> is there any way to emulate a mouse
scroll wheel using keyboard? what if I wanted to map numpad +/- to
"scroll wheel up/down" respectively?
299 [03:44:07] <KNERD> yeah, they tend to be
300 [03:44:16] <KNERD> what was that Red Hat publication about?
301 [03:44:45] <melissa666> i have a javascript widget that
requires scroll wheel to zoom and need to simulate mouse scroll
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303 [03:45:07] <rwp> KNERD,
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305 [03:45:35] <KNERD> Oh, a publication from them?
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307 [03:45:43] <rwp> Publication?
308 [03:46:02] <|aaron> Anyone know if there is a standard
timeline for when LTS releases get archived from the main repo? Do I
need to subscribe to the mailing list or something?
309 [03:46:12] <rwp> Oh, "pub"! A public house. A bar.
A nightclub.
310 [03:46:35] <rwp>
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313 [03:48:06] <rwp> melissa666, What type of keyboard are you
using? Is there a trackpoint?
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314 [03:49:16] <rwp> melissa666, If a trackpoint is present then
the default driver scroll action is to press and hold the middle
button and then move the trackpoint up and down for scroll action.
315 [03:51:23] <rwp> melissa666, Also I always load VimFx and
Vimium plugins to Firefox and Chromium and they allow the h,j,k,l
(vi/less/rogue motion) keys to be used for scrolling.
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324 [03:55:22] <rwp> Re jessie-updates: I found this thread
informative:
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326 [03:56:34] <rwp> This says that removing it as opposed to
emptying it was a mistake and that it might come back to avoid the
need for everyone using Jessie LTS to modify their sources.list
file.
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327 [03:56:54] <|aaron> rwp: Thanks for that. The timing just
seems so random. I guesss Debian sysadmins need to be subscribed to
that mailing list?
328 [03:57:27] <rwp> Probably monitoring it would be a good idea.
I was subscribed but it wasn't one I have had time to read
lately.
329 [03:58:02] <|aaron> I know I for one definitely dont get
enough emails as it is :) lol
330 [03:58:42] <|aaron> I hope they do go with the plan in your
second link, although that wont help with backports
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332 [03:59:39] <rwp> Backports has always been a little special.
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339 [04:03:57] <rwp> Here is another thread discussing it.
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343 [04:05:28] <awal1> looks like , officially, 5gh band is not
supported at all, eh?
344 [04:05:38] <awal1> i mean by linux
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348 [04:07:25] <rwp> awal1, To what are you referring to? I am
using 5GHz WiFi from my laptop right now. Works fine.
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350 [04:09:39] <awal1> rwp, i have 2 usb wifi adapters , not
supported (mediatek and d-link)
351 [04:09:53] <rwp> Bummer!
352 [04:10:00] <awal1> heh?
353 [04:10:21] <rwp> That isn't a 5 GHz problem though.
Wouldn't that just be a non-supported hardware problem?
354 [04:11:24] <awal1> well, you right, not 5gh issue; i havent
found until now a hardware supported
355 [04:11:46] <awal1> what is your 5gh hardware?
356 [04:12:58] <rwp> My Thinkpad X220 comes with Intel WiFi
onboard supporting both 2.4 and 5 GHz.
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358 [04:13:45] <rwp> The iwlwifi driver supports it.
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361 [04:14:19] <awal1> me i need rtl8812AU but linux doesn't
support it
362 [04:14:29] <future28> Hi all, my system keeps crashing. It
freezes, and if I am playing a video/music at the time of crash, the
audio buffer is repeating a 1-second chunk. Syslog shows nul bytes
written but no relevant information
363 [04:14:43] <future28> Does anyone have ideas on what to do to
diagnose?
364 [04:14:44] <awal1> officially i mean, there is something
buggy pkged for ubuntu
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366 [04:15:52] <rwp> future28, Anything being logged to the
system log? /var/log/syslog
367 [04:16:03] <awal1> rwp, which chipset is exactly?
368 [04:16:13] <future28> rwp: No, just nul bytes where space was
allocated but nothing yet flushed
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370 [04:16:52] <future28> rwp: Previous entry is dhclient
complaining about no working leases in persitent db but I doubt this
is related
371 [04:18:10] <rwp> awal1, lspci says: Intel Corporation
Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34), Intel Corporation
Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN
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375 [04:19:13] <rwp> It used to be that mcelog would show machine
check exceptions. There now a new package for doing that. Anyone
remember the name to suggest to future28?
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377 [04:19:25] <awal1> rwp, thanks I will investigate it
378 [04:19:45] <awal1> it works fine? stable i mean?
379 [04:19:53] <rwp> awal1, Are you looking for a laptop with
working wifi? Or a USB WiFi dongle?
380 [04:20:20] <awal1> rwp, right now usb dongle
381 [04:20:35] <rwp> future28, Is this a laptop? I often find
that laptops get hot and then overheat. Is it getting too hot by any
chance?
382 [04:21:01] <future28> rwp: I have sensors on my i3bar - the
last freeze happened at around 47 degrees C, so no, I think
it's unlikely to be a thermal issue
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384 [04:21:14] <rwp> I always liked Jacob's parts for Linux
compatible WiFi dongles. But it looks like they only have the one
2.4GHz model at this moment.
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385 [04:21:50] <future28> rwp: It's a gen3 X1 carbon
thinkpad though, if that means anything. It could be hardware, but a
memtest came back with nothing. Some days it can run all day without
freezing, today it has gone 5 times...
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389 [04:22:04] <awal1> i have a 2.4 one and works fine via
non-free, but 5gh no
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391 [04:23:00] <rwp> A while back while setting up an access
point using hostapd I bought 4x different models of USB WiFi dongles
off of eBay. Of those four only two of them had a free software
driver available and I could use them. The other two I couldn't
use and had to throw them into the drawer for maybe later. It's
just take a chance some times.
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393 [04:23:51] <rwp> A friend has an X1 carbon and likes it and
hasn't mentioned any problems with freezing. However I think
his might be a gen2 model. Not sure.
394 [04:24:10] <awal1> i will check your chipset; i may just
replace my wifi card with one coming with that chipset
395 [04:24:11] <rwp> I am sorry but I don't really have
ideas. What suite are you running? Often it is good to test with
different kernels.
396 [04:24:25] <awal1> i run sid
397 [04:25:06] <future28> rwp: Thanks all the same. I have had it
for ~6 years running Debian and no real issues until now. I am using
4.19.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.28-2 (2019-03-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux
if anyone was curious
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399 [04:26:00] <rwp> future28, If it has been working well...
Could you try booting an older kernel and see if perhaps something
in the recent kernels has become unstable? That is what I would try.
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401 [04:26:29] <future28> rwp: Sorry, this has been happening for
3 months now unfortunately. I could try downgrading but
wouldn't know where to begin
402 [04:26:29] <rwp> You can get older packages from
snapshot.debian.org if you want to go fishing for older packaged
kernels. Might be worth a try.
403 [04:26:42] <awal1> looks like, for dongles, only rtl8812AU is
reasonably supported via 3d party drivers until 4.15 or so
404 [04:26:46] <rwp> I would pick a kernel from six months ago.
405 [04:26:52] <future28> Okay nice, thanks. That may be worth
trying. is there any other aggressive logging options I could try?
406 [04:26:59] <rwp> You can grep your /var/log/dpkg.log file for
a list of previously installed kernels and dates.
407 [04:27:23] <rwp> I would install the replacement package for
mcelog if I could remember the name of the replacement package. :-(
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409 [04:29:11] <future28> rwp: Is it rasdaemon?
410 [04:29:26] <rwp> rasdaemon! That is it.
411 [04:29:37] <future28> rwp: I will try that one first. thanks
again
412 [04:30:09] <rwp> Good luck! Hopefully you find it is a bad
ram dimm or something that is quite easy to replace and fix the
problem.
413 [04:30:27] <future28> Yes, let's hope so. Otherwise it
will be back to my X220 :D
414 [04:31:07] <rwp> Of course I am typing on my X220 right now.
:-) Best keyboard of the entire set. But I do look with envy on the
much thinner and lighter X1 carbons. :-)
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416 [04:34:32] <rwp> awal1, I may have to play wifi roulette
again and buy a selection of 5 GHz adapters and see which ones have
drivers and which do not.
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419 [04:36:14] <awal1> rwp, good luck
420 [04:36:37] <awal1> me i gogled several times and haven't
found any
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423 [04:39:02] <rwp> The Atheros chipset would be the best one to
get. So the trick is to figure out which ones have that chipset in
them.
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425 [04:40:44] <rwp> I am pretty sure that Alfa made a compatible
model at one time. That I passed on at that time because it was no
less than $50USD when I was shopping a couple of years ago.
426 [04:40:47] <awal1> ac1200
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429 [04:41:56] <lhx> Any reason why stable and sid have a pacakge
(ecryptfs-utils) but not testing?
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431 [04:42:36] <rwp> awal1, Good reference!
432 [04:43:10] <awal1> rwp, yep
433 [04:43:21] <rwp> lhx,
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436 [04:43:59] <rwp> lhx, Blames
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437 [04:44:00] <judd> Bug
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438 [04:44:47] <awal1> rwp, if you finally decide search about it
and if you find something let me know, at anytime; i'am
regularly in the channel. thanks
439 [04:45:17] <rwp> I will try to remember.
440 [04:45:36] <awal1> :)
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442 [04:47:00] <rwp> lhx, Reading that bug ticket log... Is it
really at root cause a systemd bug? Seems like it on first glance.
443 [04:49:49] <rwp> lhx,
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446 [04:52:24] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox] hi people
447 [04:52:32] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox] i am new in tox
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451 [04:52:49] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox] i am debian user
452 [04:53:54] <awal1> toxync12- any question?
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454 [04:54:02] <rwp> awal1, This is not an endorsement but
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456 [04:54:45] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox] yep,where i can read
group rules?
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458 [04:55:22] <awal1> rwp, ok, i will check it. thanks!
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460 [04:55:36] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox] rwp?
461 [04:56:19] <rwp> awal1, I am still shopping. I am sure there
are several available. For me I am looking for a high powered one
with two antennas for use as an access point.
462 [04:57:27] <rwp> toxync12-, The guideline rules are in the
topic. Which is mostly to be nice.
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465 [04:58:05] <rwp> toxync12-, if you have questions simply ask
them. This channel is primarily for Debian Stable Stretch support.
Offtopic discussion should be in #debian-offtopic channel.
466 [04:58:13] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox] rwp i am using qtox and
is my fisrt time,where i can find the rules?
467 [04:58:52] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox] rwp can you invite me to
debian offtopic tox group chat?
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469 [04:59:21] <awal1> rwp, in a store i bought a mediatek
dongle. it says supported by linux but when i got home it is false.
mediatekjust provide an old buggy linux driver
470 [04:59:23] <rwp> I haven't heard of qtox before. Looks
like one of the many chat clients. Which is fine. Many clients speak
IRC.
471 [04:59:47] <awal1> not easy to trust.
472 [04:59:49] <rwp> toxync12-, I am not interested in a direct
chat at this time. You can ask your questions in this channel and
the entire group can help if they can.
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475 [05:00:16] <patterson> xchat
476 [05:00:27] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox]
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477 [05:00:28] <patterson> IRCcloud
478 [05:00:31] <rwp> Agreed! Trust comes hard. Especially when
previously burned. "Once burned then twice shy."
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480 [05:01:49] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox] what happen with the
trust? 😮 i did some bad?
481 [05:01:50] <rwp> toxync12-, I see the marketing that TOX is
private and secure but just so you know this IRC channel you
connected to is a public channel. No security here. We are speaking
into the Internet here.
482 [05:02:17] <toxync12-> [noob101@tox] ok rwp
483 [05:02:19] <rwp> toxync12-, That comment about trust was with
regard to marketing saying there is a driver for a device for linux
when there was not a working one.
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485 [05:02:34] <patterson> Hexchat etc. I sort of like Textual
and Mirc which is so unhelpful
486 [05:02:45] <awal1> rwp, the great one I wanted because it
have injection support too is
replaced-url
487 [05:03:09] <awal1> but sadly no official linux support yet
488 [05:03:46] <patterson> How about just going by the chipset or
is that what you are basing the suggestions on
489 [05:04:05] <patterson> Broadcom and whoever
490 [05:04:07] <rwp> I like it! But the it doesn't say
Atheros chipset. So not sure what is in it.
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492 [05:05:21] <patterson> Colleen used to say that Fry's is
a hardware lending library
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495 [05:07:15] <rwp> The comments on that wifi adapter are saying
that a working driver exists but is not in the mainstream kernel. So
it needs hacking to make it work.
496 [05:07:33] <rwp> Maybe I should just hang out and save the
frustration for a bit.
497 [05:08:24] <awal1> driver available yes but official support
no
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500 [05:14:13] <awal1> patterson we was talking about wifi
dongles with 5gh support using chipsets officially supported by
mainstream linux kernel
501 [05:14:30] <awal1> using drivers ^
502 [05:15:46] <awal1> in the near future sure we will have
official support i guess since 5gh is almost a "new
technology"
503 [05:16:33] <awal1> well, not really new but... if i can say,
it is new for the free software world
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505 [05:17:41] <patterson> Too early for 5G if ever
506 [05:17:41] <patterson>
507 [05:17:41] <patterson>
508 [05:17:41] <patterson>
509 [05:17:41] <patterson>
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511 [05:17:41] <patterson>
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515 [05:18:33] <patterson> pardon me
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517 [05:19:49] <patterson> Everyone sort of glosses over the
ginormous deployment cost
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521 [05:20:56] <patterson> We all want 10x speeds and feeds
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574 [06:26:53] <moth> debiancant be used
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576 [06:27:27] <moth> cant hapen
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587 [06:30:28] <meglodon> morning
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601 [06:49:34] <KNERD> Evenin' Guvnor
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606 [06:54:26] <meglodon> hello
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609 [06:57:06] <KNERD> howdy
610 [06:57:33] <darxmurf> yay
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615 [07:01:38] <rnix> hi, how do i reliable perform an action on
boot when a usb storage becomes ready in /dev at boot time?
616 [07:01:59] <rnix> prefered way would be a systemd service
617 [07:02:05] <rnix> to trigger
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622 [07:03:45] <diogenes_> rnix, so make a systemd service.
623 [07:05:07] <rnix> maybe i need to explain a little bit more.
i already have a oneshot service. but it does not work.
624 [07:05:10] <rnix> system is headless
625 [07:05:30] <rnix> i want to automount all USB drives with
udisks 2
626 [07:06:40] <rnix> problem is that even if i define my service
to run after polkit and usdidks2 service available, /dev/sdX still
not ready
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628 [07:07:34] <rnix> other problem ist that sometimes /dev/sdX
is ready but polkit refuses authorization. i guess it's simply
not ready yet
629 [07:08:40] <rnix> if i put a sleep arounf 15! seconds in my
oneshot script, mounting works half-reliable
630 [07:08:50] <diogenes_> then maybe add e.g sleep 15;
<command>
631 [07:09:38] <rnix> id did. but i refuse to deploy such a hack
632 [07:09:39] <diogenes_> oh hehe we did it simultaneously
633 [07:11:31] <rnix> fun fact. 5 seconds is not enough, 10
sometimes. what the hack is the system doing all the time?
634 [07:11:45] <diogenes_> i don't know much about systemd
but if it's compatible with init.d, the you could try that
instead of systemd.service
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636 [07:12:53] <rnix> in systemd you have targets for your system
which correspond to differen run levels. i fear vinit won't
help here
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660 [07:29:57] <tarzeau> i'm not sure, is: time nice ls
right, or nice time ls ?
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706 [08:24:02] <rnix> diogenes_: my simply using udevil and
devmon all my problems are gone
707 [08:24:09] <rnix> s/my/by/
708 [08:24:21] <rnix> so much hassle for nothng
709 [08:24:39] <meglodon> :o
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840 [09:54:51] <mpodien> when I compile dash from source
it's 503K but /bin/dash is much smaller - just 115K. how do I
find out why this is the case?
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844 [09:58:57] <Iridos> your binary probably isn't stripped
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848 [10:00:50] <jelly> tarzeau: "nice time ls" will
force usage of /usr/bin/time over a shell builtin time
849 [10:01:17] <jelly> so time nice ls is probably nicer
850 [10:02:26] <Iridos> both are not correct sentences, though.
Not satisfied.
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857 [10:08:08] <mpodien> Iridos: Oh wow, that was it. How
interesting. Thank you!
858 [10:08:26] <Iridos> you meant jelly, but ok
859 [10:08:32] <Iridos> oh, you didn't
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864 [10:11:53] <warai_otoko> what can I do when I get "IPv6
wlan0 link not ready" at boot on an old i686 machine and
can't connect to Wifi? This happens to Ethernet too, btw...
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874 [10:19:24] <nikitasius> hello folks.
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879 [10:20:24] <nikitasius> i have strange issue on debian9:
before on debian8 my scripts are worked
880 [10:20:26] <nikitasius> #!/bin/bash
881 [10:20:28] <nikitasius> xfce4-terminal -e "ssh -i
/path/to/my/key root@myserver -p22"
882 [10:20:30] <nikitasius> exit 0
883 [10:20:53] <nikitasius> like i click on this and i connect to
my sserver. Now.. nothing happening. files are executable
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885 [10:21:22] <nikitasius> i can call `xfce4-terminal -e
"ssh -i /path/to/my/key root@myserver -p22"` or `ssh -i
/path/to/my/key root@myserver -p22` - this way it works
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887 [10:22:32] <nikitasius> i even can call in console scripts
via ./script
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889 [10:22:48] <nikitasius> but simple mouse click in folder
fails :|
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892 [10:23:43] <nikitasius> default to open: "opens with
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902 [10:32:52] <tarzeau> jelly: thanks
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941 [11:01:53] <krion> hi
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943 [11:02:20] <krion> i'm having hard trouble understanding
what's wrong when i try to install apache's php module.
944 [11:03:18] <krion>
replaced-url
945 [11:04:15] <mutante> krion: you might find more in
/var/log/dpkg.log
946 [11:04:21] <mutante> since it says that failed
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951 [11:07:02] <krion> dpkg.log doesn't help much more
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954 [11:07:29] <krion> 2019-03-29 11:06:27 configure
libapache2-mod-php7.0:amd64 7.0.33-0+deb9u2 <none>
955 [11:07:34] <krion> may be the none
956 [11:08:08] <mutante> krion: run 'dpkg-reconfigure
libapache2-mod-php7.0' to see what goes wrong ?
957 [11:08:16] <mutante> that should repeat the failed config
step
958 [11:09:04] <krion> apache2_switch_mpm prefork: No action
required
959 [11:09:10] <mutante> maybe conflict with existing php
packages installed from another source.. in that case i would first
try apt-get remove --purge php* and then reinstall the one package
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961 [11:09:43] <krion> already try, looks like it's related
to apache and prefork
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970 [11:14:08] <mutante> krion: apt-get -f install ?
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installed but my goal is to understand what's wrong
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1095 [13:00:45] <DimmuR> hello is there any way to obtain
linux-headers-4.17.0-3-amd64 ? It's no longer listed on
packages :/
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1115 [13:18:05] <EdePopede>
replaced-url
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1118 [13:20:12] <jelly> > Your keyword was too generic, for
optimizing reasons some results might have been suppressed.
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1127 [13:22:22] <EdePopede> so i'd also have to know the
version numner?
1128 [13:22:56] <jelly> you could also ask the bot
1129 [13:22:58] <jelly> ,kernels
1130 [13:22:59] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid:
4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2);
stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.19.16-1~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae
(4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
1131 [13:23:00] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
1132 [13:23:25] <EdePopede>
replaced-url
1133 [13:23:28] <EdePopede> same message
1134 [13:23:34] <EdePopede> and still no entries.
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1136 [13:23:42] <jelly> !snapshot
1137 [13:23:42] <dpkg>
replaced-url
1138 [13:23:53] <jelly> DimmuR: ^
1139 [13:25:03] <jelly> EdePopede: or
replaced-url
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1141 [13:25:38] <EdePopede> jelly: that's exactly the
problem. the site isn't usable for people not involved with
debian developing in some way. or does debian offer courses?
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1146 [13:27:19] <EdePopede> even *knowledge* of tracker has to be
acquired
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1148 [13:29:23] <jelly> EdePopede: I suspect bugs against relevant
packages ("replaced-url
1149 [13:29:31] <jelly> filed* already
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1152 [13:32:11] <EdePopede> and ignored, right?
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1155 [13:34:37] <jelly> EdePopede: I can suggest joining the web
team and offering a helping hand. #debian-replaced-url
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1158 [13:35:35] <EdePopede> jelly: before one can help one has to
understand the stuff. and after all those years it still looks
incomplete and contradictory to me. or simply: illogical
1159 [13:36:10] <afidegnum> hello. i installed linux and assigned
static IP but can't ping other linux pc in the LAN
1160 [13:36:43] <jelly> afidegnum: can you pastebin the output of
"ip r" and "ip a" and your ping command?
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1163 [13:37:01] <jelly> a screenshot is good enough if you
can't paste text
1164 [13:37:08] <jelly> !paste
1165 [13:37:08] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
1166 [13:37:25] <jelly> EdePopede: that's false. You can
learn stuff on the way.
1167 [13:38:15] <EdePopede> jelly: not by try&error. with this
method i spend most of my time running back while trying to forget
the false stuff i memorized.
1168 [13:39:03] <EdePopede> there's a reason why a structured
schooling system has made its way in most parts of the world
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1170 [13:41:45] <afidegnum> default via 192.168.10.1 dev
etho1.164.65.60/30 dev rmnet_data0 proto kernel scope link src
10.164.65.62
1171 [13:41:53] <afidegnum> wait
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1173 [13:42:18] <afidegnum> let me repost i m using irc from my
phone
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1176 [13:42:57] <jelly> afidegnum: it's probably more sane to
upload a picture to imgur.com than make typos typing it all in
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1181 [13:45:13] <afidegnum> default via 192.168. 10.1 dev eth0
proto static metric 100. 192.168 10/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope
link src 192.168.10.10 metric 10
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1187 [13:49:04] <jelly> afidegnum: can you put it all in a
pastebin site?
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1189 [13:49:44] <afidegnum> nob
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1194 [13:50:16] <afidegnum> my networked pc are not connected to
the network
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1198 [13:51:08] <EdePopede> afidegnum: does your phone have a
camera?
1199 [13:51:25] <afidegnum> yes
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1201 [13:51:31] <EdePopede> :)
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1213 [13:56:23] <afidegnum>
replaced-url
1214 [13:56:32] <afidegnum> jelly
1215 [13:57:02] <afidegnum> here is my screenshot
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1222 [14:00:05] <greycat> Can't help noticing the Kali.
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1224 [14:00:46] <afidegnum> its a debian derivative
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1228 [14:01:38] <tarzeau> afidegnum: so is ubuntu, so what?
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1236 [14:02:20] <afidegnum> it's debian based distro for
cybersecurity. i m in a class
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1239 [14:02:40] <tarzeau> we all know what it is. but it's
nothing lost in #debian
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1243 [14:03:22] <tarzeau> this is not #kali support, or
#any-other-derivative-of-debian-support, it's #debian ONLY
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1245 [14:03:47] <afidegnum> no help ?
1246 [14:04:01] <tarzeau> unless you replace your kali with
debian, no.
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1259 [14:12:23] <jelly> afidegnum: can't see what you're
pinging, but the configuration looks alright. Perhaps ask in
##linux. I'm banned in #kali-linux :-)
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1261 [14:12:33] <afidegnum> there is no help from kali
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1263 [14:13:01] <greycat> I can only see the last two octets of
the ping target: 10.3
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1265 [14:13:13] <greycat> there's a huge glare over the first
part
1266 [14:13:52] * jelly glares
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1270 [14:17:20] <afidegnum> destination unreachable
1271 [14:17:40] <ayekat> 192.168.10.3, it seems
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1275 [14:19:38] <ayekat> I'd probably check if 192.168.10.3
exists, and whether it responds to pings
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1279 [14:20:59] <ayekat> or if even just 192.168.10.1 (I assume
the gateway?) is reachable
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1281 [14:21:33] <afidegnum> the gateway can't ping too
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1283 [14:22:56] <ayekat> yeah, ping is not an indicator - `ip
neigh` can tell more
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1287 [14:23:35] <ayekat> then again, who knows if kali has some
weird firewall rules or what not...
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1289 [14:25:39] <afidegnum>
replaced-url
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1291 [14:27:08] <jelly> afidegnum: that looks like none of those
IP addresses are reachable. That in turn means you should not have
been able to ping any of them, and also it means your network config
is likely incorrect.
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1293 [14:29:04] <jelly> afidegnum: you can start a sniffer on eth0
and see what kind of traffic there is, and try to guess correct
network setup from there. If there were more that one etherinet
interface on the system, this might have pointed to you having
configured a wrong one.
1294 [14:29:04] <afidegnum> ifconfig right ?
1295 [14:29:33] <afidegnum> what nmap ?
1296 [14:29:43] <jelly> ifconfig, like ip, is a tool to query and
configure IP network settings.
1297 [14:29:59] <jelly> and eth. L2 settings.
1298 [14:30:17] <afidegnum> i mean what sniffing tool ?
1299 [14:30:18] <jelly> afidegnum: also, sorry, wrong channel.
1300 [14:30:28] <jelly> I won't help you in here further.
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1309 [14:34:51] <ayekat> I can reproduce the behaviour there by
assigning a nonsense IP address to one of my network interfaces and
then pinging an address in the same subnet
1310 [14:35:30] <ayekat> I'd say it's either you got the
subnet wrong (and it's not 192.168.10.0/24), or it's
something kali-specific, because the network config you've
shown us so far looks OK
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1323 [14:38:37] <greycat> I'm guessing that this *is* his
assignment -- he's supposed to figure out the correct network
settings somehow as part of his "how to be a fucking cyber
criminal" class.
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1329 [14:41:41] <ayekat> ah, right ^^
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1336 [14:44:47] <jelly> greycat: they call it
"pentester", not "fucking cyber criminal"
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1338 [14:46:04] <greycat> uh huh
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1341 [14:47:01] <jelly> why does one need ipv4 configured to test
some pens
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1344 [14:47:50] <Old_Dog> excuse me, do any of y'all know
anything about irc.spotchat.org being down?
1345 [14:47:53] <greycat> internet of things, rightr?
1346 [14:47:54] <ArlequInOut> cybercriminality is easy, real
mastering of computer security with kali linux and others tools is a
real challenge and a job.
1347 [14:49:05] <yvyz> Why do I need kali to master computer
security?
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1349 [14:49:22] <ArlequInOut> yvyz, kali is not needed, it's
just à tools compilation
1350 [14:49:35] <yvyz> ok cool
1351 [14:51:24] <ayekat> I see the usecase of kali, but that
usecase is definitely not "teaching about security"
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1354 [14:54:35] <ArlequInOut> ayekat, kali is for practicing
pentest. in fact, you need to learn everything to be a good
pentester (with a real mastering of details). from web technology to
ELF format with disassembly and debugger. Mastering of networks with
wireshark, nmap and other. etc.
1355 [14:55:08] <ayekat> ArlequInOut: yes, and that's a lot
of theory one has to dive through first
1356 [14:55:25] <yvyz> just master metasploit and pivoting.
1357 [14:55:54] <yvyz> jk
1358 [14:56:34] <ayekat> if you don't know how screws work,
you won't learn it with a toolbox full of fancy screwdrivers
either
1359 [14:56:34] <krion> mutante: looks like it was kind of puppet
fault, i updated my puppet-apache modules and no more complain
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1362 [14:58:19] <ArlequInOut> ayekat, it's the confrontation
of theory and practice. this is why it's exciting ^^
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1365 [14:59:34] <ArlequInOut> yvyz, metasploit is advanced
software for automatisation of some advanced pentest task (shellcode
writing, encoding payload etc.). It's a framework
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1368 [15:00:08] <yvyz> oh, i thought it was the hack switch
1369 [15:00:50] <ArlequInOut> yvyz, if you follow a tutorial step
by step with a famous vulnerability on a old system, it can :)
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1372 [15:00:57] <yvyz> how does one hack the gibsons?
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1374 [15:01:12] <yvyz> where does one find a gibson?
1375 [15:01:23] <greycat> in a guitar shop
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1377 [15:01:52] <ArlequInOut> you hack the sound with overdrive
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1381 [15:02:07] <yvyz> is that like metasploit?
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1383 [15:02:31] <ayekat> ArlequInOut: sure, but if the student
doesn't know the basics of networking and operating systems,
you're gonna have to skip a lot of the "theory" part,
because the student won't understand it anyway
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1385 [15:03:07] <ayekat> ArlequInOut: which appears to be the case
with the person who was asking for help earlier
1386 [15:03:11] <greycat> maybe this student is in the wrong
class, and/or the class's list of prerequisites should be
revised
1387 [15:03:25] <yvyz> i would venture out as far as suggesting
that one should not attempt the gibson if one does not understand
the gibson
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1390 [15:04:11] <yvyz> "Oh, youve never used a computer
before? Install arch on it and get back to me"
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1392 [15:05:58] <ArlequInOut> ayekat, some authors know how to
write books to be understandable. If the student (in the well class)
can't understand, the problem is the teacher
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1396 [15:07:19] <ArlequInOut> yvyz, and linux from scratch ? with
good explanation ?
1397 [15:07:55] <yvyz> im pretty sure one cannot hack without
dubstep playing in the background
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1400 [15:08:47] <alex15> Hi. I am trying to set up mpd correctly
and ran into a problem. I ran "sudo usermod -aG audio mpd"
to add mpd to the audio group, and now I simply want to undo it.
"sudo deluser mpd audio" does not work, as I may not
remove the user form his primary group. How can I undo the useradd
command?
1401 [15:08:53] <ArlequInOut> yvyz, mozart hack symphonic music
(with a strong mastering of theory and practice and some talents)
without dubstep :)
1402 [15:09:05] <yvyz> ;)
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1405 [15:11:07] <alex15> Can I just edit /etc/group with sudo vim
and remove mpd from there?
1406 [15:11:41] <alex15> As you probably can tell, I am not yet
familiar with user rights and groups...
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1414 [15:13:27] <greycat> alex15: mpd is a user? Yes, you may
remove users from groups by manually editing /etc/group. In fact
that's the easiest way.
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1416 [15:13:42] <alex15> greycat: OK, thank you!
1417 [15:13:52] <greycat> There's also the "vigr"
command, but most people probably just use vi /etc/group.
1418 [15:14:37] <mutante> krion: ah.. puppet ! glad you found it,
thx
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1420 [15:16:17] <alex15> greycat: Not sure if mpd is a user. I did
not add a new one and mpd certainely has no home directory, so I
don't think it is a user. I am just trying to troubleshoot why
my I can't get mpd up and running. Have the same config file as
on other system but somehow I can't build a library
1421 [15:16:36] <alex15> I am just trying out stuff to fix the
problem :)
1422 [15:17:03] <greycat> But you literally said "add mpd to
the audio group".
1423 [15:17:25] <greycat> If mpd isn't a user, then this
makes no sense at all. Groups are groups OF users.
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1425 [15:17:46] <alex15> Yes, because some people said that mpd
might not work because mpd perhaps should be part of group audio. So
I tried that, did not work
1426 [15:17:54] <greycat> In any case, you can use "id
mpd" to see whether the system thinks it's a user. Or
search for mpd in /etc/passwd, etc.
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1429 [15:18:33] <alex15> id mpd gives uid=122(mpd) gid=29(audio)
groups=29(audio), so It probably is a user
1430 [15:18:52] <alex15> I guess it is an automatically created
user
1431 [15:18:58] <greycat> Yes, a "system" user. I
don't think you should be messing with the group memberships of
system users.
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1433 [15:19:32] <alex15> Yes. That's why I wanted to undo the
changes I made.
1434 [15:19:44] <greycat> Though, from that "id mpd"
output, it looks like you simply duplicated the user's primary
group as a supplementary group, which should be harmless.
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1436 [15:20:18] <Iridos> but… mpd is in the audio group by
default
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1438 [15:20:38] <alex15> Iridos: Not on my fresh Debian Stretch
install.
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1440 [15:20:56] <alex15> Iridos: cat /etc/group | grep audio had
no mpd in it
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1445 [15:21:47] <alex15> It had only myusername, pulse in it
1446 [15:21:54] <Iridos> that's because it is its primary
group
1447 [15:22:23] <alex15> OK I am confused. I need to read up on
groups, and also the manpage of id to understand what I am doing.
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1451 [15:23:22] <greycat> Every user has a primary group, which is
defined in /etc/passwd, and a list of supplementary groups, defined
in /etc/group.
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1453 [15:24:17] <alex15> Wow I did not know that my system had
more than 1 user... :D
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1455 [15:24:35] <alex15> so many in /etc/passwd
1456 [15:25:16] <Iridos> and I know that… because I just
installed mpd… and the install script creates the user with
that group…
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1458 [15:25:33] <Iridos> and you can see with "groups
mpd" which groups it is in no matter what the group
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1460 [15:26:43] <alex15> Iridos: "groups mpd" indeed
shows "mpd: audio". Sorry if I said something wrong. I
meant that "cat /etc/group | grep audio" did not list mpd
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1462 [15:27:11] <greycat> I'm not fond of the
"groups" command since it doesn't clearly show the
difference between primary and supplementary groups.
1463 [15:27:32] <Iridos> the question is… why are you doing
all this?
1464 [15:28:08] <alex15> I am setting up my music player on a new
system. Installed mpd, mpc, ncmpcpp and copied my mpd.conf
1465 [15:28:14] <teclo-> alex15: that's "by design"
;)
1466 [15:28:49] <alex15> But somehow my library is not getting
recognized in ncmpcpp or mpc
1467 [15:28:51] <teclo-> some Unix books should be insightful on
why there is such and such group
1468 [15:29:19] <alex15> teclo-: Yes, I have to read up on groups
and users. I am not familiar yet with them.
1469 [15:29:41] <teclo-> alex15: ok :)
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1476 [15:32:21] <alex15> Anyway thank you greycat and Iridos for
helping me. I know now at least that my problem is not a group or
permission problem :)
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1478 [15:33:12] <netriber> Hello, I'm trying to install a
debian machine using netboot , but fails obtaining dhcp . I have set
the ip address manually but pinging a host on the same network
returns "Network is unreachable" . Any ideas?
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1482 [15:36:02] <netriber> how can I check in the installer if I
have the network interface up, "ip a s" shows the
interface is there
1483 [15:36:03] <greycat> Ethernet or wireless? Is the device
compatible with stretch? Does it require nonfree firmware? Nonfree
driver? Is the cable attached correctly? If the port has a
"link light", is that lit?
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1493 [15:38:23] <netriber> nevermind , just saw dmesg message
saying it didn't load the kernel module bnx2
1494 [15:38:29] <greycat> !bnx2
1495 [15:38:29] <dpkg> bnx2 is a Linux kernel driver supporting
Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) Ethernet
controllers. Firmware from userspace is required, ask me about
<non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to
provide. To provide firmware for device use at Debian installation
time, ask me about <installer firmware>. See also
<bnx2x>.
1496 [15:38:46] <Diego_> Hi, I'm trying to make script to
auto upgrade my raspbian from jessie to stretch, without prompting
and messages. It's almost working but it still get a message
box about restarting certain libraries. Whitch parameter should I
use to avoid this message box?
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1499 [15:39:05] <greycat> Ask #raspbian.
1500 [15:39:08] <netriber> !installer firmware
1501 [15:39:08] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
replaced-url
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1504 [15:39:26] <netriber> thank you
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1511 [15:45:12] <DammitJim> definitely not the right channel, but
I don't know where else to ask... do you guys know of the
proper technology/tool to continuously transfer files @ 5 files per
second over WAN? I think at this point, the files are about 56KB
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1521 [15:51:12] <ayekat> that's a shell 3-5 liner... but what
are you trying to do?
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1523 [15:52:57] <DammitJim> ensure we can receive all these files
1524 [15:53:23] <DammitJim> w/o blocking the delivery; yet, ensure
the delivery
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1527 [15:55:28] <ayekat> what do you mean with "blocking the
delivery"? TCP has rate and congenstion control, and it
shouldn't lose data halfway through
1528 [15:56:02] <ayekat> and any protocol running on top of TCP
should thus handle that fine, too (e.g. HTTP, SSH, ...)
1529 [15:56:36] <ayekat> but I still don't understand what
your problem (and goal) is
1530 [15:56:37] <DammitJim> By 'without blocking the
delivery' I mean, I don't want the client to keep waiting
for each file to be delivered because on my end I'm "too
slow"
1531 [15:56:55] <DammitJim> yes, I'm kind of assuming TCP
will take care of the file delivery
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1533 [15:57:39] <DammitJim> my fear is that I'll pick
something like sFTP and the client might decide to make a connection
each time it sends a file... that would not be a good approach,
right?
1534 [15:57:46] <DammitJim> I don't know if there are
"streaming" technologies
1535 [15:58:01] <DammitJim> I am calling it streaming, I
don't even know the right term to search online
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1547 [15:59:13] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: The only way to
"stream" content is to create a stream, a continuous
output like a single file.
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1551 [15:59:27] <ayekat> the sender will have to wait either way,
but here you're adding artificial waiting, it seems
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1553 [15:59:50] <jhutchins_wk> It sounds like what you need is a
process that transfers the file, then remotely verifies that the
file was received. What triggers each transfer is another question.
1554 [15:59:53] <ayekat> like, either it sends everything as fast
as possible, or it sends 5 files at a time, then waits, then the 5
next files... I don't see how that's better
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1556 [16:00:08] <DammitJim> I'm not worried about what
triggers it
1557 [16:00:18] <DammitJim> ok, gotta go to a meeting
1558 [16:00:24] <DammitJim> thanks for your good points
jhutchins_wk and ayekat
1559 [16:00:38] * ayekat is still confused
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1561 [16:00:50] <qman__> Yes, this makes no sense
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1584 [16:09:21] <nikitasius> folks, there is problems: on 8 debian
all was fine. On 9 debian i can't execute my scripts anymore.
They are executable.
1585 [16:09:23] <nikitasius> #!/bin/bash
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1587 [16:09:25] <nikitasius> xfce4-terminal -e "ssh -i
/path/to/key root@server -p22"
1588 [16:09:27] <nikitasius> exit 0
1589 [16:09:29] <nikitasius> that are like this.
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1592 [16:10:24] <nikitasius> damn bot kicked
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1594 [16:10:53] <greycat> what happens when you try to run it?
1595 [16:10:57] <nikitasius> so, my scripts (3 lines) `#!/bin/bash
xfce4-terminal -e "ssh -i /path/to/key root@server -p22"
exit 0` dont work anymore on click. but work via console
1596 [16:11:03] <ayekat> !paste
1597 [16:11:03] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
1598 [16:11:10] <nikitasius> greycat: i see "loading
icon" on mouse cursor
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1600 [16:11:31] <greycat> But it runs when executed in a terminal,
so it's not the script that's broken. It's whatever
desktop thing you are clicking.
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1602 [16:11:55] <nikitasius> greycat: i can execute then like
./runme
1603 [16:11:59] <nikitasius> it works
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1605 [16:12:12] <greycat> So it's the desktop thing that you
click. Which is... what? Which program?
1606 [16:12:16] <nikitasius> but via GUI in folder - can't
just "loading icon" and nothing else
1607 [16:12:22] <greycat> What GUI?
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1609 [16:12:29] <nikitasius> xfce as on debian8
1610 [16:12:49] <nikitasius> (but now im on clean debian9)
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1613 [16:13:13] <ayekat> nikitasius: so thunar?
1614 [16:13:38] <nikitasius> guess yes
1615 [16:13:41] <nikitasius> default file manager
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1618 [16:14:16] <wwilliam> Hello how do i know what is adding
those last lines to .profile?
1619 [16:14:17] <nikitasius> and they are
replaced-url
1620 [16:14:18] <wwilliam>
replaced-url
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1622 [16:14:46] <wwilliam> I delete them and they keep coming back
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1624 [16:15:08] <ayekat> nikitasius: that setting only tells
thunar how to open the file, but not how to execute it
1625 [16:15:33] <ayekat> (and as a tip, change that to a text
editor - because you can't really "open" a file with
a terminal)
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1627 [16:15:50] <nikitasius> ayekat:
replaced-url
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1630 [16:16:24] <nikitasius> they are 744
1631 [16:16:42] <alex15> OK I was able to solve my problem. But I
do not fully understand why a different solution did not work. There
seem to be three possible ways I can startup mpd on boot: as normal
user, as mpd or as root. By default, mpd was run by the user mpd
(which had no access to my usernames music files in the home
partition)
1632 [16:16:56] <greycat> wwilliam: first guess would be
"some broken python program"
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1634 [16:17:18] <greycat> try grepping for PYTHONSTARTUP in all of
your *.py things that you use
1635 [16:17:30] <ayekat> wwilliam: also "perlbrew" -
that might be another misbehaving part
1636 [16:17:35] <alex15> What I don't understand is why I was
not able to start mpd again from my username (when it already was
running under the user mpd). Can someone give me a hint?
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1639 [16:17:57] <wwilliam> I dont use py things that i know of
greycat
1640 [16:18:15] <wwilliam> yes the perlbrew i removed
1641 [16:18:17] <alex15> I would have guessed it is no problem
that multiple instances of the program "mpd" are run
simultaneously from different users
1642 [16:18:25] <ayekat> nikitasius: so first, if you fix the
"open with" setting and change it back to a text editor,
what happens when you double-click?
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1644 [16:18:33] <greycat> Well. Another tool you could use is
"chattr +i ~/.profile" -- and then see what breaks when it
can't write to your .profile.
1645 [16:18:42] <nikitasius> ayekat: opening editor i guess and as
i see
1646 [16:18:45] <nikitasius> but i need to execite them
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1648 [16:18:52] <greycat> Not as elegant as grepping for the
offending string in all your python programs.
1649 [16:19:06] <wwilliam> ok greycat thank you checking
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1651 [16:19:36] <wwilliam> chattr +i ~/.profile
1652 [16:19:38] <wwilliam> chattr: Operation not permitted while
setting flags on /home/afernandez/.profile
1653 [16:19:51] <nikitasius> ayekat: i posted an example (3 lines,
but posted in 1 line)
1654 [16:19:57] <ayekat> nikitasius: if double-clicking something
opens it, then you'll probably have to right-click and see if
the context menu shows an option to execute it instead
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1656 [16:20:22] <ayekat> nikitasius: yes, I know what the script
looks like - I'm asking what *actually* happens when you
double-click
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1658 [16:20:35] <nikitasius> ayekat: it;s not a program it;s a
script.
1659 [16:20:41] <nikitasius> so no execute option.
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1661 [16:21:05] <nikitasius> i just wanna bring back same
"feature" as i had in deb8: click on script and it runs
lol
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1665 [16:21:51] <wwilliam> when i open the terminal every time I
open the terminal a line like that is added to .profile
1666 [16:22:31] <greycat> Then check your .bashrc and so on.
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1670 [16:22:49] <wwilliam> ok Thank you greycat
1671 [16:22:49] <nikitasius> ayekat: no matter, fixed with
replaced-url
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1674 [16:23:30] <wwilliam> greycat: on my .bashrc echo
"export PYTHONSTARTUP=~/.pythonrc" >> ~/.profile
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1676 [16:23:37] <wwilliam> and why do i have that there?
1677 [16:23:49] <wwilliam> echo "export
PYTHONSTARTUP=~/.pythonrc" >> ~/.profile
1678 [16:23:50] <wwilliam> stty -ixon
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1685 [16:24:30] <ayekat_> ah wait - I get the same
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1703 [16:25:15] <wwilliam> I will commented out and see what
breaks.
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1706 [16:25:43] <wwilliam> because honestly i dont remember adding
that there.
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1713 [16:27:36] <dr4ken> folks, can i install a very VERY basic
system with the netinst images without downloading anything? or
internet is a must have for it?
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1716 [16:27:58] <dr4ken> by a very basic system i mean GNU tools +
linux kernel with a suable shell, that's it
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1718 [16:28:09] <dr4ken> (and obviously APT)
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1731 [16:32:21] <petn-randall> dr4ken: That's possible with
only the netinstaller, yes.
1732 [16:32:44] <petn-randall> dr4ken: It can install a minimal
system that can install further packages when the internet
connection is back.
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1734 [16:33:16] <ov3rmind> hello great guys! here is a good time
to say nice day too everybody :) thanks
1735 [16:33:19] <dr4ken> petn-randall, so i can, for example
install that system on an internetless machine and then plug it on
later to isntall the rest?
1736 [16:33:34] <dr4ken> petn-randall, excellent, that's
wexactly what i wanted
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1754 [16:43:21] <slurk> ahoy m8s, I saw lots of apt update
breaking on jessie with 404
1755 [16:43:21] <kaizoku> YAARRRR
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1758 [16:44:09] <dr4ken> slurk, it can only means something:
broken install :P
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1761 [16:47:05] <BCMM> slurk, dr4ken: the obsolete jessie-updates
repo was taken down recently
1762 [16:47:27] <BCMM> anybody still using Jessie should read
replaced-url
1763 [16:47:35] <stiet> hello
1764 [16:47:48] <BCMM> (and *most* people still using jessie
should just upgrade to stretch)
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1768 [16:49:08] <hodapp> BCMM: blaaaargh, my only reason for being
on Jessie is that I need binary OpenCV 3.x packages for one
deployment
1769 [16:49:37] <hodapp> and someone has a .deb up with that, but
it depends on some things that are only in jessie
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1771 [16:49:47] <slurk> BCMM: hehe yes, I very much noticed this.
I'm just here to bark before deploying a datacentre-wide fix
for it :p
1772 [16:50:06] * hodapp stabs OpenCV in the face
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1774 [16:50:15] <BCMM> slurk: sorry, i joined right before you
mentioned the 404 - haven't seen context
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1851 [17:24:26] <ov3rmind> any bitcoin wallet recomendation to
buster user? very thanks!
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1857 [17:26:14] <petn-randall> ov3rmind: I don't think
there's any bitcoin wallet packaged in Debian, as none suffice
the QA criteria to support over the complete release cycle.
1858 [17:26:48] <jelly> the official client is usually present in
sid, but will never be in stable
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1861 [17:27:25] <jelly> and also, it's built against a newer
BerkeleyDB than upstream uses which _supposedly_ introduces on-disk
format incompatibility
1862 [17:27:32] <Shahnaz-> oi
1863 [17:27:59] <Shahnaz-> why is debian stretch listening on 2
random tcp highports without a process
1864 [17:28:05] <Shahnaz-> dies not happen on jessie
1865 [17:28:07] <Shahnaz-> does*
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1867 [17:28:23] <greycat> use lsof or ss or netstat to see
what's listening on those ports
1868 [17:28:30] <jelly> Shahnaz-: which ports? what does "ss
-tulpn", run as root, say about those?
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1870 [17:28:59] <Shahnaz-> as said, random high port no process
associated
1871 [17:29:18] <greycat> I doubt this is a correct statement.
1872 [17:29:18] <Shahnaz-> dports dont show in lsof or fuser
either
1873 [17:29:25] <Shahnaz-> tcp6 0 0 :::43181 :::* LISTEN -
1874 [17:29:31] <jelly> Shahnaz-: and not in ss either?
1875 [17:29:31] <Shahnaz-> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:42011 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
-
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1877 [17:29:50] <jelly> and ss is running as root?
1878 [17:29:52] <greycat> lsof -i :42011 # as root
1879 [17:29:54] <Shahnaz-> LISTEN 0 100 127.0.0.1:25 *:*
users:(("master",pid=807,fd=13))
1880 [17:29:54] <Shahnaz-> LISTEN 0 64 *:42011 *:*
1881 [17:29:54] <Shahnaz-> LISTEN 0 64 :::43181 :::*
1882 [17:29:58] <Shahnaz-> yeah all running as root
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1884 [17:30:24] <jelly> ok, at least that postfix is showing
1885 [17:30:41] <Shahnaz-> yeah all other ports properly show
processes
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1887 [17:30:46] <Shahnaz-> only those two dont
1888 [17:30:57] <Shahnaz-> after reboot its again tehre, different
high ports
1889 [17:31:02] <jelly> Shahnaz-: is rpcbind or portmap installed?
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1891 [17:31:23] <Shahnaz-> yeah rpcbind is on there
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1893 [17:31:58] <Shahnaz-> when i stop it ports are still there,
tried with most services
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1895 [17:32:09] <Shahnaz-> nobody else has them ports showing up
in stretch? :)
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1901 [17:33:56] <jelly> Shahnaz-: okay then. run
"rpcinfo", is there anything related to "42011"
or "27.164" in the output?
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1903 [17:34:16] <jelly> (42011 = 164*256 + 27)
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1907 [17:36:07] <jelly> Shahnaz-: if you have nfs-kernel-server
running, that might be mountd / rpc.mountd
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1909 [17:36:38] <jelly> nfs is weird so you won't see it
directly in lsof/netstat/ss
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1911 [17:37:06] <Shahnaz-> ni have nfs mounts on the server
1912 [17:37:13] <Shahnaz-> no nfs-server running though
1913 [17:38:07] <Shahnaz-> jelly: (42011 = 164*256 + 27) that one
i found
1914 [17:38:10] <Shahnaz-> in prc info
1915 [17:38:17] <Shahnaz-> nlockmgr
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1917 [17:38:32] <jelly> that's also related to nfs, but nfs
_client_
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1919 [17:38:55] <jelly> so if you have remote nfs shares mounted,
that's okay
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1922 [17:39:10] <Shahnaz-> my hero
1923 [17:39:16] <Shahnaz-> when i umount the shares its gone
1924 [17:39:28] <jelly> !win Shahnaz-
1925 [17:39:28] <dpkg> Congratulations, Shahnaz-! You have won a
one way ticket to Nova Scotia!
1926 [17:39:47] <Shahnaz-> neat :)
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1928 [17:40:05] <Shahnaz-> any man page/readme where i can read
why nfs mount opens listening ports?
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1930 [17:41:01] <jelly> probably SunRPC and nlockmgr and nfs
specifications
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1932 [17:41:34] <Shahnaz-> kk, will check it out ... thx for your
help
1933 [17:41:37] <Shahnaz-> drove me crazy
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1943 [17:43:32] <jelly> I _think_ this is "NLM"
mentioned in "man 5 nfs"
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1947 [17:47:30] <Shahnaz-> your right .. when i mount with nolock
then no ports are opened
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1962 [17:58:49] <mikjaer> How do i upgrade from Debian 7 to Debian
8 now when all the Debian 7 repos are gone?
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1965 [17:59:20] <greycat> Well for starters, you need the Debian 8
repositories for that, not the wheezy ones.
1966 [17:59:20] <vlt> Are they?
1967 [17:59:49] <greycat> Also, as vlt said, they're not
actually gone. Just the auxility "jessie-updates" and
"jessie-backports".
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1969 [18:00:04] <mikjaer> greycat: so i can just go directly to
Debian 8 without getting the Debian 7 to the most current?
1970 [18:00:04] <greycat> auxiliary. which you don't need.
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1972 [18:00:35] <greycat> Even the wheezy sources are *not* gone.
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1974 [18:01:00] <mikjaer> Well great ... how to do it then? :)
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1983 [18:07:10] <greycat> I've updated the wiki page.
replaced-url
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1995 [18:13:45] <alex15> Hello again. Is it a problem when a
partition does not start on a physical sector boundary? I have that
warning when I run "sudo fdisk -l" because my harddrive
seems to have a physical sector size of 4096 bytes (logical 512
bytes). The output is colored red, therefore giving me a sense of
urgency
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2000 [18:15:53] <jhutchins_wk> alex15: I've had that on a lot
of systems and never noticed any problems.
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2003 [18:16:41] <alex15> jhutchins_wk: OK. The red color just made
it look a bit dangerous :)
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2005 [18:16:57] <jhutchins_wk> alex15: That's not to say that
there weren't problems, I just didn't see any.
2006 [18:17:32] <jhutchins_wk> alex15: There's probably
something on the web about it. You could just copy the error message
and paste it into a search.
2007 [18:18:05] <alex15> Yes, thank you.
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2018 [18:24:21] <petn-randall> alex15: Worst case random I/O would
halve the effective IOPS.
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2021 [18:25:48] <alex15> petn-randall: So worst case this is just
a speed issue, but not more, do I understand you right?
2022 [18:26:11] <alex15> If so, I can live with that for now
2023 [18:26:25] <petn-randall> yes
2024 [18:26:55] <petn-randall> You'd want to avoid that if
you're setting up a database server, but it probably
doesn't matter much for a home PC.
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2026 [18:27:17] <alex15> I am a bit surprised that it happened
because I just setup the system from scratch
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2028 [18:27:41] <jhutchins_wk> alex15: It's sometimes an
artifact of using different partition management tools on the same
disk.
2029 [18:27:45] <petn-randall> alex15: Which installer did you
use?
2030 [18:27:54] <jhutchins_wk> Some things don't care about
alignment, others do.
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2032 [18:28:18] <alex15> I installed the latest Debian Stretch
with non-free netinstaller, copied with dd to an USB stick
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2034 [18:28:56] <alex15> Have one hard drive, selected guided
partitioning (encrypted)
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2037 [18:29:51] <petn-randall> alex15: Was the disk blank before?
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2040 [18:30:34] <alex15> I had an old Debian running on it, but
the installer deleted the whole disk and overrode it with random
stuff I think
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2042 [18:31:31] <alex15> So in my opinion it was blank
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2045 [18:32:34] <rafuch0> hi there i am trying to compile openssl
1.0 it compiles ok... but i cant find the libs that i need like
libssl.so
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2047 [18:33:03] <rafuch0> dont understand why?? i am doing
./config make depend make all make install
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2049 [18:33:12] <rafuch0> all no erros
2050 [18:33:20] <rafuch0> but no libs :(
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2052 [18:33:42] <petn-randall> rafuch0: For what are you trying to
compile openssl 1.0?
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2056 [18:34:05] <greycat> Debian's already *got* openssl 1.0
that you can use.
2057 [18:34:40] <rafuch0> yeah .. but i want it to compile it
2058 [18:34:57] <rafuch0> and just cand find those .so files...
2059 [18:35:02] <greycat> apt-get source libssl1.0-dev etc.
2060 [18:35:03] <rafuch0> *cant
2061 [18:35:04] <alex15> petn-randall: if it helps, I plan on
installing Stretch again from scratch on this Laptop in some days
(sounds weird but I need a clean system then again). I will check
whether that happens again. Should I file a bug if I see
"Partition X does not start on physical sector boundary"
when running "sudo fdisk -l" again? Or is it not
important?
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2066 [18:37:08] <petn-randall> rafuch0: For what? Depending on the
answer we might provide you with sensible ways to do it.
2067 [18:37:25] <rafuch0> woow
2068 [18:37:38] <rafuch0> like that
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2080 [18:47:22] <fellipe> hi everyone. How to install a specific
version of php? Example, php 5.5.17. Is there a way to do it other
than compiling it? I tried the phpvenv, but it does not build the
libphp<version>.so to be loaded in apache. Is there any trick?
I'm having a lot of troubles when compiling in Dockerfile. I
get errors that I don't get when compiling on the host O.S
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2083 [18:48:20] <alex15> Thank you again everyone for the help, I
really appreciated it!
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2086 [18:48:34] <greycat> ,v php5-fpm
2087 [18:48:35] <judd> Package: php5-fpm on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u14; jessie:
5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1
2088 [18:48:45] <greycat> Jessie has 5.6.33. Will that work?
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2160 [19:21:51] <inoderrant> which one do you all like for erasing
drives? hdparm, dd, shred, or something else?
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2164 [19:24:00] <Sleaker> inoderrant: I think I've used the
bootable dban tool.
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replaced-url
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2194 [19:41:42] <r4co0n> Hi, am I correct in stating that every
trusted APT GPG key is able to provide a signature for any package
on my system? Let's suppose Random Additional Repo Provider
that I have trusted previously to be able to install package
proprietary-foo, decides to ship a newer kernel than the Debian
branches I am tracking. Can I circumvent this by using some kind of
pinning-like mechanism, or do I need to resign and republish
(myself) all packages I trust to
2195 [19:41:42] <r4co0n> circumvent this?
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2197 [19:42:24] <r4co0n> Apart from official packages, I mean.
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2202 [19:44:24] <nkuttler> don't install third party keys?
2203 [19:44:38] <jelly> r4co0n: no, apt does not track or verify
signatures on separate packages. It does whole repos.
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2207 [19:46:12] <jelly> r4co0n: AFAIK you can't tell it to
"only accept specific packages from specific repos /
origins", so yes, if you add keys for, say, apt.mysql.com, then
they might push a linux-image-amd64 package newer than what's
in Debian and make your machine automatically upgrade
2208 [19:46:47] <jelly> pinning can do some of those things but is
a PITA
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2210 [19:47:20] <r4co0n> So I should use some kind of
self-maintained repo management to provide packages requested by
customers but not available upstream? That way, I shift the trust to
my signing mechanism. I am currently looking into managing
repositories with aptly, it can filter on specific package names,
which ought to avoid this issue.
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2217 [19:51:36] <r4co0n> (Automating it (using Ansible) to install
itself from a self-published backports repository to get a
new-enough version on stable was a PITA, but it can be done. I wish
I could publish this code :/)
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2219 [19:53:04] <r4co0n> I surely will welcome buster :)
2220 [19:55:04] <Sleaker> r4co0n: once a package is downloaded
there's not a way to verify it other than checking it has the
same hash as another package on the remote repo
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2225 [19:55:59] <Sleaker> the actual Packages list on the remote
repository is what is signed via GPG
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2230 [19:57:03] <r4co0n> Sleaker, we're talking about
trusting certain repositories only to ship certain packages.
Verifying the integrity of shipped and signed packages (or package
lists, to be specific) is unproblematic.
2231 [19:57:14] <Sleaker> r4co0n: correct.
2232 [19:57:26] <Sleaker> I'm just outlining the limit of
what apt actualyl does
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2235 [19:58:25] <Sleaker> if you want to limit whic repo gives you
which packages you'd have to write your own updating service to
swap in different repos and to only check for certain packages from
them. or generate your own repository with only the packages you
want
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2237 [19:58:49] <Sleaker> I use the second method here at work.
2238 [19:58:50] <r4co0n> Sleaker, that's exactly what I am
trying to implement using aptly.
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2244 [20:00:08] <r4co0n> Helena, no?
2245 [20:00:16] <Helena> yes
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2249 [20:01:23] <Sleaker> yah I haven't used aptly. I just
download the packages into a directory structure and then run
apt-ftparchive/dpkg-scanpackages to generate a Packages file and
self-sign it with my own gpg key.
2250 [20:01:32] <r4co0n> Sleaker, I plan to do different
'snapshots' of the repo for development, integration and
production, across all the environments.
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2255 [20:03:08] <defaultuser> hello, my problem is: cannot login
on tty. tty does not wait fpr password. i only could enter username
but no dialogue for entering password appears. i did a filesystem
check. additional from changeroot to the affected target system i
get "command not found errors" simple commands like ls,
su, mkdir rm arnot available
2256 [20:03:58] <r4co0n> Sleaker, here there's reprepro doing
the lifting for our own packages, and a complex system in place
syncing repositories for multiple distributions. (Like loads of
scripts? But hey, it works.)
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2259 [20:05:05] <Sleaker> r4co0n: yah that seems pretty advanced.
I've managed to keep everything pretty simple. my build tooling
pulls down the current pacakges, symlinks into our custom ones, and
then geerates a packages file for the branch, signs it then rsyncs
it to a server.
2260 [20:05:31] <r4co0n> Sleaker, you call it advanced, I call it
'grown'. ;)
2261 [20:05:34] <Sleaker> also builds an ISO usable for installing
the base system.
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2263 [20:05:47] <Sleaker> hehe sure
2264 [20:06:00] <Sleaker> I just really don't like using
tools that do a bunch of stuff themselves.
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2266 [20:06:29] <Sleaker> aptly/reprepro, etc.
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2268 [20:07:24] <r4co0n> Well, it depends. If upstream is cool, I
like to shift responsibilities. I rather open a bug with aptly than
try to reinvent it.
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2272 [20:08:13] <Sleaker> sure? we don't ever do automatic
pulling of upstream though. that might be the difference.
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2274 [20:08:28] <Sleaker> we always hand-pick packages to upgrade.
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2277 [20:10:24] <r4co0n> I would always check the new version,
read the changelog and see what they have done to code, but I feel
it is generally kind of against the mechanics of open source to
distrust by default?
2278 [20:10:57] <r4co0n> I mean, it's a gift for all
real-world purposes.
2279 [20:11:14] <Sleaker> oh we handpick because we have to
maintain hardware/software compatibility with non-OS stuff.
2280 [20:11:30] <Sleaker> sometimes there can be a funky
interaction with hardware due to kernel update or something.
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2283 [20:12:27] <Sleaker> or like needing to pin versions of
certain libraries cause updating them breaks other non-OS stuff
that's installed.
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2285 [20:12:56] <r4co0n> Of course, this would fail at the
development stage in my case if everything goes well, if upstream
skips devel, which I thought about, it fails in integration, before
ever hitting the users.
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2287 [20:13:09] <Sleaker> mhm
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2289 [20:14:17] <r4co0n> Sleaker, you have debian-security which
you should be worried about tracking. And mind the point releases.
2290 [20:14:42] <Sleaker> r4co0n: I mean... our current stuff is
based on trusty 14.04 ubuntu.
2291 [20:14:56] <Sleaker> we haven't completed our rollout of
deb9 yet.
2292 [20:15:00] <Sleaker> still working on it.
2293 [20:15:15] <Sleaker> and trusty is EOL.. so I don't
really have to 'worry' about security updates.
2294 [20:15:25] <Sleaker> other than the fact that there
aren't any so it's unsafe :P
2295 [20:16:07] <Sleaker> but yes, I do track security.
2296 [20:16:10] <jelly> you can pay Canonical for further support
of trusty.
2297 [20:16:15] <Sleaker> jelly: accurate.
2298 [20:16:33] <Sleaker> but then we'd be supporting
canonical..
2299 [20:16:40] * Sleaker shrugs.
2300 [20:16:48] <jelly> and what's wrong with that?
2301 [20:17:49] <Sleaker> not a huge fan of the direction ubuntu
has gone over the last few iterations.
2302 [20:18:31] <Sleaker> snaps, attempt at mobile. super focus on
desktop.
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2308 [20:24:26] <r4co0n> I think Canonical is not a corporation
the Linux ecosphere and especially Debian and its derivates (hey,
Ubuntu again) should be fearing. Though I have reminisced about the
license issues incurred from re-releasing Ubuntu's continued
patches.
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2310 [20:25:52] <r4co0n> Snapcraft is currently broken on testing,
which is a shame, as I am trying to incorporate basic E-Mail
capabilities into Nextcloud's snap.
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2317 [20:29:15] <r4co0n> But snaps are a solution to a problem we
always wanted solved, not the only one around there, there's
AppImage and FlatPak.
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2320 [20:30:35] <r4co0n> It surely is the Redmond way of shipping
things, but who cares if it is well maintained. And I like the
default of auto-updating painlessly, think IOT.
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2330 [20:32:52] <majest1c> Ctrl+Alt + F7 etc doesn't work for
me, how can I fix this?
2331 [20:33:20] <majest1c> I want to be able to do "{"
etc
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2334 [20:34:25] <greycat> I think Debian only creates 6 console
virtual terminals by default.
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2337 [20:35:21] <r4co0n> greycat, my desktop lives on 7, I
didn't configure that.
2338 [20:35:22] <greycat> Hmm... in /etc/default/console-setup
there is ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]"
2339 [20:35:37] <greycat> You're in jessie, then, or doing
something different than I am.
2340 [20:35:47] <greycat> On stretch, using startx on tty1, the X
session is also on tty1.
2341 [20:36:03] <r4co0n> greycat, I'm on buster
2342 [20:36:28] <greycat> I could double-check the buster box at
home when I get home....
2343 [20:38:04] <greycat> Hmm, here's another place: in
/lib/systemd/system/getty-static.service it has
ExecStart=/bin/systemctl --no-block start getty@tty2.service
getty@tty3.service getty@tty4.service getty@tty5.service
getty@tty6.service
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2345 [20:38:13] <greycat> That looks more likely to be the place
to change than the other one.
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2347 [20:38:29] <greycat> I mean, of course, you'd make an
override in /etc/ not literally edit the file in /lib/.
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2351 [20:40:39] <r4co0n> I think this was a change introduced in
buster, that was now fixed to resemble stretch. But I don't
have a box to check this on, only the memory of having to relearn to
find my desktop on tty2(?) after switching to testing from stretch,
until they fixed it, and I got back to my old habits.
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2359 [20:44:06] <goose> Can I use a VM in Windows to install
Debian to a SSD, then once I have it all set up the way I want it,
shut the VM down and just drop the SSD into a headless computer and
boot it up/use it?
2360 [20:44:51] <BCMM> goose: yes
2361 [20:44:59] <goose> Awesome. Thanks!
2362 [20:45:16] <goose> Any particular VM you folks would
recommend?
2363 [20:45:26] <Sleaker> greycat: I'm on stretch and my
desktop auto-starts on 7.
2364 [20:45:57] <BCMM> goose: you *might* need to do something
with the bootloader, if it's a UEFI system. i think there need
to be appropriate variables in the mobo's NVRAM, in addition to
the bootloader on the disc/ssd
2365 [20:46:01] <greycat> There are a plethora of ways to start an
X session, so I believe you, given that you didn't say "I
run startx on tty1".
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2367 [20:46:26] <Sleaker> ah I see what you were saying.
2368 [20:46:51] <greycat> And I'm *almost* positive that the
switch from "I type startx on tty1 and X runs on tty7" to
"I type startx on tty1 and X runs on tty1" was
jessie->stretch.
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2370 [20:46:58] <goose> Got it. Thanks!
2371 [20:47:55] <BCMM> goose: virtualbox, i guess. (basically)
open-source, easy to use
2372 [20:48:15] <BCMM> goose: you might already have a licence for
that microsoft thing, i dunno
2373 [20:48:23] <majest1c> I will ask again if somebody knows, how
can I make "Ctrl + Alt + F*" work? I need it to function
since I don't have an AltGr key.
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2375 [20:49:32] <BCMM> majest1c: what exactly is it that you want
to happen when you press ctrl+alt+F*?
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2377 [20:49:49] <majest1c> BCMM: I want to make "{" etc,
those symbols
2378 [20:50:15] <BCMM> majest1c: ... is that a normal use of the F
keys on your keyboard layout?
2379 [20:50:24] <greycat> I'm not the only one who's
completely confused here, right?
2380 [20:50:24] <BCMM> or are you trying to bind them to custom
actions?
2381 [20:50:38] <majest1c> So for example: "Ctrl+Alt+F7"
should produce "{", and yes that is a normal use of the F
keys on my keyboard, works perfectly in windows.
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2383 [20:50:56] <BCMM> majest1c: like, it's actually printed
on the keyboard? what sort of KB is this?
2384 [20:51:18] <majest1c> Yes it is printed on the keyboard. It
is a Ducky One with swedish keyboard layout
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2386 [20:51:51] <greycat> What sadistic Swedish bastard decided
that (s)he hates programmers and wants them to suffer horribly?
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2388 [20:52:06] <majest1c> It works on windows, not on debian
2389 [20:52:07] <greycat> And can you buy a real keyboard
somewhere?
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2391 [20:52:35] <majest1c> So basically I want the same
functionality in Debian as in Windows
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2394 [20:53:01] <greycat> How are you planning to switch virtual
consoles if you disable the NORMAL FUNCTIONALITY of virtual console
switching which is what Ctrl-Alt-F7 (et al) does?
2395 [20:53:07] <majest1c> Yeah I will buy a smaller keyboard
later, but right now this will due. I just need to Ctrl+Alt+F* to
work.
2396 [20:53:14] <greycat> Even assuming you can somehow do that.
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2398 [20:53:26] <greycat> You keep saying "work".
2399 [20:53:31] <greycat> This is not your goal.
2400 [20:53:47] <majest1c> What do you mean by switching virtual
consoles?
2401 [20:53:54] <greycat> Your goal is to completely rewire all of
the stuff that Linux has done with the console keyboard for 3
decades and replace it.
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2403 [20:54:10] <greycat> Are you not aware of what Ctrl-Alt-F2
and friends actually does?
2404 [20:54:22] <majest1c> Dude, my Ctrl+Alt does not even work
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2406 [20:54:51] <majest1c> (For some weird reason) It works in
windows
2407 [20:55:03] <greycat> You keep saying "work" without
explaining what it means.
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2409 [20:55:47] <majest1c> Well Ctrl+Alt+F* does not do anything,
and you claim it should do something. For example in Windows
Ctrl+Alt+F7 Produce "{", but in Debian, for me, it does
*Nothing*
2410 [20:55:59] <BCMM> majest1c: just to be clear, it's the
actual F keys (the absolute top row of the keyboard) that should
type { and } in swedish? not the regular number keys (directly above
the alphabet)?
2411 [20:56:01] <greycat> Fuck c-a-f7. What does Ctrl-Alt-F2 do?
2412 [20:56:18] <majest1c> Ctrl+Alt+F2 does nothing
2413 [20:56:24] <majest1c> Nothing happens
2414 [20:56:29] <greycat> ... then I don't think we can do
anything here.
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2416 [20:56:46] <majest1c> BCMM: Yes if using Ctrl+Alt+F*
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2418 [20:56:48] <greycat> At least *I* can't. This sorcery is
beyond me.
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2421 [20:57:11] <majest1c> Is there not a setting in
gnome-tweak-tool that can fix this that you know of?
2422 [20:57:23] <greycat> You're in GNOME? Oh, you poor
fucker.
2423 [20:57:35] <majest1c> lol
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2427 [20:58:05] <BCMM> i mean i'm not swedish and i
haven't used a swedish keyboard, it's just that every
picture i can find of a swedish keyboard has { on 7, not F7
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2429 [20:58:38] <majest1c> BCMM: Shit, sorry, my bad, I meant
"7" all the time...
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2431 [20:58:54] <BCMM> majest1c: dude, i *specifically asked about
that* already!
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2433 [20:59:18] <greycat> The entire question just changed.
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2435 [20:59:30] <majest1c> Yeah, so maybe there is hope to fix
this now?
2436 [20:59:56] <BCMM> greycat: if i may interpret for a moment:
on a swedish keyboard, { is typed with AltGr+7. majest1c's
keyboard has no AltGr key, and he wants Ctrl+Alt to emulate AltGr
2437 [21:00:04] <BCMM>
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2438 [21:00:12] <n4dir> can't you just setxkbmap
<whatever> ?
2439 [21:00:24] <n4dir> en is probably fine.
2440 [21:00:29] <BCMM> majest1c: is this right? you just want
ctrl+alt to act like altgr?
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2442 [21:00:56] <majest1c> BCMM: I have an AltGr key but I does
not work, it is out of function, so I need Ctrl+Alt to emulate it
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2445 [21:01:31] <BCMM> well, i have to go now. but good luck with
it...
2446 [21:01:48] <r4co0n> So this is the Swedish layout:
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2447 [21:01:56] <majest1c> r4co0n: Yes
2448 [21:02:12] <majest1c> So in Windows "Ctrl+Alt+7"
produces "{", and I want the same result in Debian
2449 [21:02:17] <r4co0n> Look where you find "{"
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2454 [21:03:20] <EdePopede> Ctrl+Alt = AltGr also on windows, or
not?
2455 [21:03:31] <majest1c> Yes
2456 [21:03:46] <majest1c> Apparently, since Ctrl+Alt+7 produces
"{", just as AltGr+7 would
2457 [21:04:00] <majest1c> Now I just need the same functionality
in Debian
2458 [21:04:09] <majest1c> (since my AltGr key is broken)
2459 [21:04:39] <ayekat> Ctrl+Alt is gonna clash with a lot of
keybindings, though - not sure if that's a good idea
2460 [21:04:40] <EdePopede> and it is a question of using the
correct layout. had somehow a T2 on wheezy, then stretch came in
with T3 finally. using IBus. it crashed some weeks ago and until
restart i was at the old layout again
2461 [21:04:56] <jelly> or just map AltGr somewhere else?
2462 [21:05:04] <r4co0n> If you map your keyboard to German
[AltGr]+[7] will produce "{"
2463 [21:05:14] <EdePopede> hint: nobody needs capslock
2464 [21:05:19] <greycat> he says his AltGr key is physically
broken
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2466 [21:05:29] <greycat> I do like EdePopede's idea though
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2471 [21:06:12] <greycat> mapping CapsLock to AltGr might actually
be achievable without advanced sorcery
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2473 [21:07:01] <majest1c> I just need Ctrl+Alt to work as AltGr
or something, this is default behavior in Windows, so why would this
not be doable in Debian?
2474 [21:07:13] <greycat> *sigh*
2475 [21:07:19] <greycat> because this isn't Fucking
Windows?!
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2477 [21:07:36] <EdePopede> and evem more usable. just try to get
C-{ using AltGr without breaking your fingers.
2478 [21:07:39] <r4co0n> reconfiguring keymaps was not so much
sorcery last time i tried it. But that was 5 years ago.
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2480 [21:08:11] <r4co0n> But probably far beyond what EdePopede is
willing to do.
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2482 [21:08:22] <majest1c> The things we can do today but not even
make Ctrl+Alt work as AltGr in Debian
2483 [21:08:41] <greycat> because literally NOBODY IN THE WORLD
BUT YOU wants it!
2484 [21:08:45] <EdePopede> xmodmap
2485 [21:08:50] <greycat> it is not a thing anyone has ever asked
for befoer!
2486 [21:08:52] <greycat> JESUS
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2488 [21:09:10] <r4co0n> EdePopede, you solved your problem, go
and have fun.
2489 [21:09:14] <majest1c> Dude, what if a swedish dude's
AltGr key stops working, then he wants that functionalty
2490 [21:09:25] <greycat> why can't you just accept the
solution we GAVE
2491 [21:09:29] <majest1c> Or german for that matter, apparently
they have the same functionality
2492 [21:09:30] <ayekat> r4co0n: you are aware it's nod
EdePopede asking for help? :-)
2493 [21:09:40] <jelly> swedes probably can afford to fix their
keyboard
2494 [21:09:50] <r4co0n> ayekat, now i am, sorry for the spam
2495 [21:10:02] <majest1c> Because I dont want to get accustomed
to use Caps as AltGr
2496 [21:10:03] <EdePopede> jelly: using their IKEA tool? :D
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2498 [21:10:35] <EdePopede> majest1c: then use AltGr as AltGr.
2499 [21:10:38] <ayekat> majest1c: well, then write your own
layout that behaves the way you want - because it doesn't exist
yet
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2501 [21:10:46] <majest1c> It is physically broken EdePopede
2502 [21:11:01] <EdePopede> !xy-problem
2503 [21:11:03] <EdePopede> hm?
2504 [21:11:54] <majest1c> Can't I just make bindings, such
that Ctrl+Alt+7 produces what I want etc?
2505 [21:12:09] <ayekat> xmodmap²
2506 [21:12:10] <EdePopede> majest1c: Ctrl+Alt goes back to the
days where people didn't have MF-II keyboards yet.
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2508 [21:12:40] <greycat> The god damned fucking XCompose(5) man
page has NO EXAMPLES of modifier keys.
2509 [21:13:37] <greycat> Neither does
/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
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2511 [21:14:13] * EdePopede always got stuck when trying to understand
what was going on in /usr/share/X11/xkb
2512 [21:14:47] <greycat> HAH I MADE A THING HAPPEN BY BRUTE FORCE
TRIAL AND ERROR
2513 [21:14:50] <greycat> Ctrl <7> : "{"
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2515 [21:15:06] <greycat> APPARENTLY NONE OF THE PARENTHESES IN
THE MAN PAGE ARE LITERAL
2516 [21:15:16] <nkuttler> instructions unclear. my keyboard is
broken now
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2521 [21:15:35] <greycat> Now to see if we can extend this to TWO
modifiers, again by brute force trial and error....
2522 [21:15:49] <Stx> Gotta love them caps on a Friday night.
2523 [21:15:52] <r4co0n> See this for modifying Super_L to Ctrl
2524 [21:15:58] <r4co0n>
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2525 [21:16:13] <greycat> r4co0n: he REFUSED to accept a SIMPLE
solution of mapping CapsLock to AltGr
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2527 [21:16:29] <r4co0n> Then, what do we bother?
2528 [21:16:39] * Stx redirects greycat´s caps-lock to /dev/null
2529 [21:16:41] <nkuttler> i get so confused when my capslock key
locks caps..
2530 [21:16:54] <majest1c> Certainly there must be a way to map
"Ctrl+Alt+7" to {
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2532 [21:17:12] <greycat> THEN FUCKING FIGURE IT OUT
2533 [21:17:20] <greycat> I AM FUCKING TRYING BUT YOU ARE JUST
ENRAGING ME
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2537 [21:17:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe time for da chill pill?
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2539 [21:17:34] <majest1c> I'm not going back to windows
2540 [21:17:36] <greycat> You know what? This is not worth my time
and aggravation. *plonk*
2541 [21:17:44] <nkuttler> xmodmap is a thing
2542 [21:18:07] <ayekat> majest1c: there is a way, but since
nobody's done it yet (because who in their right mind would
want that?), you'll be the first one to do it
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2544 [21:19:15] <ayekat> majest1c: and you've been pointed at
xmodmap 3 times now - so there, people have even given you the tool
to do what you want
2545 [21:19:18] <r4co0n> majest1c, you have a broken keyboard. You
can fix this with software, but you will have to make compromises
while doing so.
2546 [21:19:42] * jelly does "xmodmap <(echo keycode 0x42 =
ISO_Level3_Shift)" and now has two AltGrs. Oh noes.
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2548 [21:20:14] <ayekat> oh, spare AltGrs - always handy when one
breaks :-P
2549 [21:20:17] * jelly quickly puts CapsLock back to noop
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2551 [21:20:39] <r4co0n> That's why you always have multiple
keyboards connected.
2552 [21:20:52] <majest1c> ayekat: Isnt xmodmap for single keys?
2553 [21:20:57] <jelly> that is true, but they're connected
to different computers
2554 [21:21:06] <jelly> majest1c: AltGr is a single key
2555 [21:21:18] <greycat> Again, we offered multiple times to have
him map ONE KEY (CapsLock) to ONE KEY (AltGr) but he refused.
2556 [21:21:50] <jelly> in interest of saving greycat's
sanity I propose moving on
2557 [21:22:22] <greycat> I also found a stackexchange link from
someone who claims to have got a two-modifier key sequence to work
in XCompose but it did not work for ME following the same format.
2558 [21:22:25] <EdePopede> majest1c: there's no difference
in using either capslock or ctrl+alt as replacement for a broken
altgr. in both cases you'd have the same problem when using
another computer. your solution won't work with it.
2559 [21:22:54] <EdePopede> and in the case of capslock it is
simply ONE command to change it, and ONE command to change it back.
2560 [21:22:55] <ayekat> majest1c: perhaps - I've never tried
mapping multiple keys to one - if it doesn't work, writing your
own layout surely will work
2561 [21:23:02] <jelly> greycat: XCompose has not had decent docs
for 20 years now and probably never will
2562 [21:23:04] <greycat> I did get a ONE modifier key sequence to
work by trial and error, and pasted it earlier.
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2565 [21:24:48] <ayekat> majest1c: ... or xcompose, as shown by
greycat
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2567 [21:25:17] <majest1c> I will be the first one making this
work, even before greycat
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2570 [21:26:02] <jelly> I'd probably abuse the Menu key
instead of Ctrl+Alt which has many preexisting key combos, some
enforced by kernel
2571 [21:26:07] <jhutchins_wk> Different keyboards have different
modifier keys.
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2573 [21:26:39] <jelly> Right now my Menu key is a Compose key.
♥
2574 [21:27:00] <greycat> I turn my Windows key into Compose.
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2576 [21:27:14] <jelly> Compose on left? Blasphemy.
2577 [21:27:25] <EdePopede> Win_R?
2578 [21:27:30] <jelly> it's like you've never used a
DEC terminal
2579 [21:27:31] <greycat> I know, right. But some keyboards have
one, and some have two.
2580 [21:27:44] <greycat> KB at home has two, so I made the
*right* Windows key into Compose.
2581 [21:27:51] <greycat> KB at work has one, on the left :(
2582 [21:28:01] <jelly> I guess I have a Sun Type 6 USB keyboard
with an actual Compose key... somewhere
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2584 [21:28:29] <jelly> it also has a Help key! No help there...
2585 [21:28:51] <EdePopede> are those ancient keyboards still
usable today? there were no PS/2 and USB ones back then..
2586 [21:29:03] <jelly> and proper Copy and Paste instead of silly
combos
2587 [21:29:30] <cheapie> My keyboard goes control, super, alt,
space, altgr, super, compose, control along the bottom.
2588 [21:29:39] <majest1c> greycat: I got it working now
2589 [21:29:42] <jhutchins_wk> For me it was the old IBM snorkel
terminals. Lots o' extra keys on them.
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2591 [21:30:05] <majest1c> I used xbindkeys and xvkbd
2592 [21:30:22] <greycat> My work KB's bottom row is Ctrl Win
Alt space Alt Fn Menu Ctrl
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2594 [21:30:23] * EdePopede wanted to have one of those they used at the
bank counter. 24 F keys.
2595 [21:30:25] <cheapie> Also it turns out "setxkbmap -rules
evdev -model evdev -layout us -variant altgr-intl" is the magic
line to make AltGr work *without* breaking everything else in the
process.
2596 [21:30:44] <cheapie> EdePopede:
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2597 [21:31:04] <majest1c> {}}][[[]][][}}]\\\
2598 [21:31:23] <EdePopede> cheapie: could be :)
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2610 [21:42:36] <greycat> OK, I don't know what's going
on here, but it seems like a bug. In .XCompose I'm doing Ctrl
Alt <7> : "{" and in xterm it generates û (c3
bb), and in urxvt it generates ESC { (1b 7b).
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2612 [21:44:12] <greycat> I get similar results from Ctrl Alt
<q> so it's not just a weird interaction with a numeric
key.
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2615 [21:46:05] <majest1c> You can use xbindkeys and xvkbd to make
it work apparently
2616 [21:46:13] <greycat> I just launched a Tk window with a text
widget, and inside that, I can use my Compose-based sequences like
α β but I get no visible result from either of the
two-modifier sequences I defined.
2617 [21:46:59] <majest1c>
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2618 [21:47:09] <greycat> Debian 9, fvwm session started by
startx. No wayland, etc.
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2632 [21:55:28] <greycat> Ctrl Shift <7> is "fun"
as well. In xterm I get & (26) and in urxvt I get ^G (07).
It's like xterm ignores the Ctrl and urxvt ignores the Shift
and both of them ignore the XCompose entry.
2633 [21:55:53] <greycat> Same result with or without the leading
! character in the .XCompose file.
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2641 [21:59:41] <bingbotboom> does irssi got text to speech
2642 [22:00:33] <greycat> irssi runs in a terminal; I would
imagine the question is whether you can get your terminal's
contents to be turned into speech (I don't know the answer)
2643 [22:00:53] <Unit193> Technically not that I know of, but once
for the heck of it I did some tail -f of the log piped through grep
-Po feeding into espeak.
2644 [22:01:07] <greycat> Ah, with a log. Yeah, that might work.
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2647 [22:01:19] <EdePopede> also tried C-S in xterm. usually the
same results as with Shift only, but some produce control sequences.
S-ß (?) and so with added Ctrl it deletes. same fore S-7 (/)
2648 [22:02:02] <greycat> EdePopede: sounds like nobody has tried
to actually use this XCompose modifier stuff in recent times
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2651 [22:05:09] <EdePopede> greycat: iirc the kernel supports up
to 8 modifier keys. that's a lot of combinations ;)
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2657 [22:07:13] <EdePopede> and i still haven't figured out
all of the columns in the files from the symbols subdirectory, and i
see no more than 8 right now
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2663 [22:12:36] <greycat> I just tried Ctrl <&> and Alt
<&> in an attempt to get Ctrl-Shift-7 and/or Alt-Shift-7
to work. Neither one worked.
2664 [22:12:52] <greycat> Near as I can tell, it's totally
broken.
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2671 [22:16:55] <EdePopede> what about letters? at least
that's a real lower/upper case
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2673 [22:17:54] <greycat> Feel free to try. I'm going home
now.
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2676 [22:18:54] <xVim> What are you trying to achieve?
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2678 [22:20:46] <EdePopede> xVim: majest1c wanted to map a broken
AltGr to Ctrl+Alt (hello windows). and then greycat started playing
around with XCompose. which didn't seem to work as expected.
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2680 [22:21:26] <xVim> I see :)
2681 [22:21:59] <EdePopede> compositing, multiple layers, dead
keys, different shift behaviour, and docs are old
2682 [22:22:18] <xVim> I have a lot of my modifiers and compose
stuff embedded in hardware, but it is not the best solution either
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2684 [22:22:53] <EdePopede> too many keys?
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2686 [22:23:07] <xVim> Keys I have more than enough
2687 [22:23:27] <xVim> But the problem is that hardware can only
transmit a limited amount of characters, no special ones
2688 [22:23:28] <majest1c> EdePopede: I have already fixed this,
binding Ctrl+Alt+7 -> 0 to whatever I want now
2689 [22:23:44] <EdePopede> mplayer is funny. both enter keys
usually have the same effect, only mplayer refuses to react on
"Send" :)
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2691 [22:24:03] <EdePopede> but you opened the abyss, majest1c!
2692 [22:24:23] <xVim> I have 32 layers on my hardware keyboard,
and tons of modifier keys. But you cannot transmit characters like
ü over a hardware keyboard
2693 [22:24:46] <xVim> So having so many modifier keys or layers
does not help.
2694 [22:24:48] <EdePopede> thir. ty. two. oh. wow. that's
quite a bit more than T3, isn't it?
2695 [22:25:12] <xVim> It is insane
2696 [22:25:42] <xVim> I own a Happy Hacking Keyboard and use
tmk_keyboard
2697 [22:25:46] <xVim> very cool concept
2698 [22:26:11] <xVim> I have some buttons that perform a hardware
macro, like write out my full name (in hardware)
2699 [22:26:17] <xVim> or address :)
2700 [22:26:23] <EdePopede> at least the printing doesn't
disappear after some time :)
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2704 [22:28:06] <xVim> I was very frustrated when I heard that it
is not possible to transmit special chars over the keyboard. So now
I transmit the Compose Key followed by normal keys, but I always
still have to set the compose key. There is AFAIK no way for a
keyboard to transmit special chars that work both in Windows and
Linux
2705 [22:28:37] <EdePopede> xVim: do you have a reading starting
point on /usr/share/X11/xkb by accident? last time i really cared
about it i still had to use `startx` ;)
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2708 [22:30:08] <xVim> EdePopede: Sorry I don't, I am not
familiar with it
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2715 [22:31:13] <xVim> As I said, I am just familiar with
C-programming my keyboard firmware with tmk_keyboard
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2732 [22:41:23] <debian111> Hi
2733 [22:41:51] <debian111> When I open a pdf magazine with the
document viewer I only get gibberish in the pdf. Why could this be?
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2737 [22:43:12] <debian111> Also letters overlap. Unreadable ...
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2749 [22:49:29] <mebus> Hi! Is it possible to turn on predictable
network interface names on a updated Debian stretch?
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2751 [22:51:00] <icarious> I have a question, an I don't want
to start a flamewar here, or to be driven to #devuan. Will it be
possible to run Buster clean off systemd with openrc+sysvinit
properly? I mostly do debootstrap installs.
2752 [22:51:53] <Sleaker> icarious: probably depends on what you
install and if the packages are available.
2753 [22:52:18] <Sleaker> devuan specifically had to recompile
some packages to get systemd-less i believe.
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2755 [22:52:54] <icarious> Yes they did. But I prefer stock
Debian, cause I don't know if they are tinkering with the
system BEYOND their actual focus of systemd-free.
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2758 [22:53:14] <Sleaker> icarious: if it requires recompiled
packages it wont work without recompiled packages...
2759 [22:53:14] <icarious> I mostly use a lightweight GTK+ only
system with i3 and pcmanfm
2760 [22:53:26] <Sleaker> hence forking debian.
2761 [22:53:30] <Unit193> icarious: There's some efforts
going in to being able to use elogind, but as far as I know
it's not there yet.
2762 [22:53:44] <icarious> Unit193: yes I use elogind too
2763 [22:53:51] <icarious> Ok. Will check these
2764 [22:53:57] <Sleaker> you'd probably have more luck
asking in devuan if it's possible as they are basically
maintaining the changes needed to get systemd-less
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2766 [22:54:13] <icarious> Sleaker: Ok. I will do that
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2768 [22:55:39] <bzed> mebus: I think removeing the generated udev
rules file (and maybe the generator) should be enough. look into
/etc/udev/rules.d or so
2769 [22:56:21] <icarious> So Buster has entered hard freeze now?
2770 [22:56:40] <Unit193> Yes.
2771 [22:57:58] <mebus> bzed: in /dev/udev/rules.d are only rules
for a cdrom drive
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2773 [22:59:35] <icarious> Unit193: Thanks
2774 [22:59:36] <xVim> debian111: Is the pdf corrupted? Have you
tried opening it with another pdf viewer? Default is I think evince,
may try okular or qpdfview
2775 [23:00:54] <mebus> any ideas?
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2784 [23:07:46] <mebus> I can find tutorials on how to disable
predictable interface names, but none on how to enable them.... :-P
2785 [23:07:48] <Unit193> mebus: Presuming you aren't booting
with net.ifnames set and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
doesn't exist, you can check if
75-persistent-net-generator.rules exists anywhere and if it does
perhaps symlink a file with the same name in /etc/udev/rules.d/ to
/dev/null?
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2789 [23:09:05] <mebus> locate persistent-net returns nothing
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2796 [23:11:42] <Unit193> And you checked /proc/cmdline? Well, you
could try net.ifnames=1 :P
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2863 [23:56:51] <tony`> hi
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