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1[00:00:32] <Piraty> i haven't found other debian-testing related info about this issue. it would be more of that if the problem would be upstream
2[00:00:51] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell Piraty about debian-next
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5[00:03:38] <Piraty> what do you mean?
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7[00:05:12] <Piraty> ah got it
8[00:05:20] <Piraty> thanks anywa
9[00:05:20] <Piraty> y
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110[00:53:20] <phale> how do I check if my RAM amount isn't faulty, because it's showing as 1.6GB ram and that seems like an odd amount of RAM
111[00:53:26] <phale> on Debian of course
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118[00:56:02] <n4dir> probably memtest
119[00:56:11] <n4dir> phale:
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122[00:56:36] <phale> n4dir, memtest86?
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126[00:57:33] <n4dir> yeah, probably.
127[00:57:40] <phale> ok ill try
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129[00:57:57] <n4dir> you did understand that you have to select it from boot-menu?
130[00:58:06] <phale> yeah i will in a few minutes
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134[00:58:32] <n4dir> bout an odd amount of RAM: in my case that is the internal graphic card.
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140[01:01:35] <fiveflowerzz> Hi! I'd like to get a cheap VPS (replaced-url
141[01:01:53] <fiveflowerzz> But they ask Hostname, NS1 prefix, etc. Do you know what is that?
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144[01:02:27] <fiveflowerzz> I don't want to associate a domain name... but just test a Debian...
145[01:02:34] <m8a7> hi all. my router/firewall is a jessie box and i've hit bump. i can't quite word it right to get googles help. i need to use 90-100 percent of my availiable bandwidth all the time. a machine in my network needs to take all the bandwidth all day unless ANY other pc needs some then it gets throttled. only using "un-used" bandwidth. wondershaper and the others don't cut it. i need something like nice. thanks in
146[01:02:40] <m8a7> advance if anyone can suggest something. sorry for wall-o-txt.
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183[01:19:05] <phale> Ok so I did memtest86
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185[01:19:35] <phale> Hold on, I'm on a different client, brb
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188[01:20:11] <phale> n4dir, No errors found, strange
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214[01:31:11] <\\Mr_C\\> anyone familier with the wyse vx0? or know if it will run debian?
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230[01:46:32] <nterprais> hi
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232[01:46:46] <nterprais> someone knows whats happens with crossbuild-essential-mips debian package ? mipsel its available but not big endian one
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288[02:17:43] <donofrio> anyone here use apt-clone? am I missing something? apaste.info/XumeC ?
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406[03:25:03] <dave0x6d> Is there a gcc 4 or newer package in Sarge (3.1r0a)?
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430[03:40:34] <missmbob> dave0x6d: no. 3.3
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443[03:49:08] <dave0x6d> missmbob: ah, looks like it might not be an issue after all, VMware seems to be okay with gcc 3.3 here.
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449[03:52:46] <dave0x6d> hmm, so is kernel-headers not the same at all as linux-headers?
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462[04:03:30] <dave0x6d> I've gotten this thing installed.
463[04:03:30] <dave0x6d> replaced-url
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520[04:50:06] <beastwick> I am installing via debbootstrap, if I booted into legacy on a GPT disk can I still perform a UEFI install?
521[04:50:17] <beastwick> i have an efi partition
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944[09:14:18] <Hijiri> I just "recovered" from a hard disk failure
945[09:14:24] <Hijiri> what's a reasonable backup routine?
946[09:14:55] <Hijiri> I didn't learn my lesson last time since I still had a working system after rescuing data
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948[09:15:16] <Hijiri> luckily my weechat configuration files were saved
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961[09:22:53] <mrrhq> Hijiri: A routine? Hmm... I have no credability running a server with HDD failures, nor have I had one fail on me yet funnily enough, but however long you want. Once a year? Twice a month? As long as you can set a cronjob for it, anything is possible.
962[09:23:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> Hijiri, what system is that
963[09:23:35] <mrrhq> I've heard one experianced server admin (Alan Jude) say, "Back it up twice, otherwise it doesn't exist."
964[09:23:45] <mrrhq> Because backups can fail, too.
965[09:23:50] <Hijiri> it's for some personal computers, I have a laptop and a desktop. I will probably use both daily
966[09:24:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> Hijiri, rsnapshot and an external disk?
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968[09:24:46] <Hijiri> sounds nice, didn't know about rsnapshot
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970[09:25:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> has the advantage of being pretty simple, giving you a 1:1 copy of the files in an incremental way… and being rather simple… did I mention simple
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972[09:25:56] <mrrhq> If, for some reason, you use btrfs, you can clone snapshots onto an external drive with "btrfs subvolume snapshot"
973[09:25:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's basically an rsync to another disk with some bells on… and can be triggered manually
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975[09:27:19] <mrrhq> Although I think that won't really save the data, it'll just save the state it was in.
976[09:27:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's also duplicity, which automatically saves encrypted chunks… so would be somewhat suitable for storing on some devices on the net
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978[09:28:16] <mrrhq> I must be the only one that still uses "disk destroyer".
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981[09:28:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> nomen est omen? in the age of ssd…
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990[09:35:36] <ranix> last time I did backups it was dump and restore to a tape drive
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999[09:40:55] <mrrhq> I backup my home directory on a flash drive or two. That's mostly all my personal data I care about. I wouldn't do a root backup, since I can just reinstall everything anyway, and the data isn't very personal or irreplacable.
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1012[09:47:59] <pingfloyd> a less than perfect backup system is better than none
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1015[09:48:22] <OpenTokix> pingfloyd: it depends :D
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1019[09:49:43] <pingfloyd> I use rsync with --link-dest myself
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1035[09:55:30] <mrrhq> There's Bacula if you have many computers to backup at once.
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1062[10:13:36] <Hijiri> also next time I'll remember not to run fsck (twice!!) after getting read errors
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1077[10:21:25] <rafalcpp> How to record all programs that were run on the system, including their command lines?
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1090[10:28:42] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: You probably want an audit trail done by selinux or apparmor. What are you trying to achieve with this information?
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1095[10:31:51] <Iridos> mrrhq, it's good to save at least /usr/bin/dpkg --get-selections there's also stuff like /var/replaced-url
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1101[10:33:49] <mrrhq> Yeah, I don't have /var/replaced-url
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1105[10:36:28] <Iridos> no, it's perfectly helpful, because you can use dpkg --set-selections to mark the packages for install and then install them all
1106[10:36:51] <Iridos> it's effectively one of two variants of
1107[10:37:14] <Iridos> bah. of <debian clone> (but dpkg isn't here)
1108[10:37:38] <jelly> dselect: debian clone
1109[10:37:39] <dselect> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
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1113[10:38:58] <Iridos> thanks
1114[10:39:10] <Iridos> the other one is <aptitude clone>
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1121[10:42:51] <mrrhq> jelly: Oh wow, that's really cool.
1122[10:43:02] <babilen> dselect: aptitude clone
1123[10:43:02] <dselect> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
1124[10:43:10] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: I have some automake/make file that is hard to understand, so I want to see how it invokes g++ b2 and other such programs. I guess other options would be make -V=1 or wrapping compiler so it would save log itself, but it could be harder in this particular case so I look for general solution
1125[10:43:24] <mrrhq> Another thing to brag to Arch users about why they should be using APT. ;^)
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1128[10:43:55] <mrrhq> Ayyy.
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1130[10:45:41] <jelly> please don't annoy Arch people.
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1132[10:46:24] <echosystm> how reliable are backported kernels usually?
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1134[10:46:55] <jelly> !tias
1135[10:47:07] <jelly> dselect: TIAS
1136[10:47:07] <dselect> TIAS is "Try It And See".
1137[10:47:22] <echosystm> i'm not going to buy hardware just to try it
1138[10:47:29] <OpenTokix> echosystm: It's a kernel, not an experiemental heartsurgery. The work just fine
1139[10:47:29] <echosystm> id like to know what im getting myself in for
1140[10:48:00] <echosystm> OpenTokix: backrpots would take me from 3.16 to 4.7
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1143[10:48:30] <echosystm> i would have thought a major version jump like that would have some problems?
1144[10:48:41] <OpenTokix> echosystm: That is a solid 67% increase on versionnumbers, and happiness is off the charts.
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1147[10:49:23] <jelly> echosystm: there's no major _functionality_ jump. 4.0 was just an arbitrarily renamed 3.20
1148[10:49:25] <OpenTokix> echosystm: The versions of the kernel does not work like that. Mostly you would get drivers for new hardware. If your hardware is supporded in your current kernel, there is no reason to use a backported kernel.
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1152[10:51:52] <echosystm> oh ok
1153[10:51:59] <jelly> just like 3.0 was "got bored of 2.6.40"
1154[10:52:07] <echosystm> i thought the kernel of all things would use semantic versioning
1155[10:52:12] <echosystm> i guess not hah
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1157[10:52:50] <themill> Over a decade ago
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1161[10:57:12] <mrrhq> I bother Arch people on a daily basis.
1162[10:57:17] <mrrhq> (Just kidding.)
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1175[11:06:07] <Iridos> jelly, I heard the next kernel version number will be "2017" :P
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1180[11:08:11] <jelly> wfm
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1183[11:09:54] <mrrhq> Version numbers usually just go major.minor.build.revision
1184[11:10:06] <mrrhq> So where would the 2017 be?
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1186[11:10:23] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: I'd just override the GCC variables, but my C skills are a little rusty.
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1199[11:19:01] <rafalcpp> ok though is there any other tool that tries to save some kind of log of what programs run, with what options?
1200[11:19:10] <rafalcpp> I know "atop" can show the command line of programs, for example.
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1202[11:19:45] <bazhang> a sort of bash history?
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1242[11:36:29] <umut1> According to the manual page, polkit should run as polkit but it is running as root. What is the rationale for this? replaced-url
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1269[11:41:26] <echosystm> thanks OpenTokix and jelly
1270[11:41:33] <echosystm> seems not too bad
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1272[11:41:39] <echosystm> i'll give it a try!
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1311[11:54:09] <Iridos> umut1, maybe read "man polkit" on your system instead of htmlized man pages about random versions?
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1320[11:58:27] <umut1> It is irrelevant. I am after why debian is running polkit as root instead of running it as its own user.
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1329[12:02:28] <themill> umut1: for what version of the software was that documentation written? What version do you have?
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1338[12:06:30] <umut1> the polkit document is official document. I have 0.105-17.
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1341[12:07:15] <themill> umut1: "official" means nothing. Every document is written for a specific version of a piece of software.
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1344[12:08:11] <umut1> So you are thinking that upstream has changed the user for polkit but haven't updated the document? That should be easy to figure out.
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1347[12:09:01] <themill> Other way around?
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1351[12:10:12] <themill> (your web document is for version 0.113)
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1390[12:24:10] <umut1> themill: that was that! From the release notes: policykit-1 (0.109-1)
1391[12:24:19] <umut1> The polkitd daemon now runs as unprivileged polkitd user instead of root.
1392[12:24:19] <umut1> Create this system user in postinst and change the directory permissions
1393[12:24:19] <umut1> accordingly so the daemon has access to the rules files.
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1395[12:25:40] <themill> Newer polkit is in experimental; I'm not sure what is convincing the maintainers to hold off uploading it to sid.
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1400[12:26:16] <umut1> yes. I installed it from the experimental
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1425[12:39:32] <tdn> Are there any alternatives to "rear" (Relax and Recover) that are included in Debian packages?
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1430[12:42:47] <themill> tdn: as I said yesterday, you might need to explain wtf that is first
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1444[12:47:44] <sweb> how can i rsync mylocaldir user@server:/path ... just upload new files ... no matter time modification just name of file
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1447[12:48:25] <humbag> --ignore-existing ?
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1450[12:48:59] <th0r> tdn, have you even looked at the project homepage?
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1489[13:15:56] <warzaprincess> The beautiful people of National Socialist Germany were destroyed by the combined forces of International Communism and International Capitalism, under the direction of International Jewry, but their spirit lives on!
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1530[13:29:40] <m1dnight_> Hey guys. I'm trying to wrap my head around how sendmail works in Debian. I can send mails using sendmail: `sendmail -s ".." m1dnight < text` but I can't do that to root
1531[13:29:44] <m1dnight_> Is that normal?
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1535[13:30:10] <iwkse> hi, do you know if there's some build which solve this severe issue with abiword? replaced-url
1536[13:30:11] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1539[13:31:08] <jelly> m1dnight_: which MTA do you have installed? exim and postfix send root's mail elsewhere
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1541[13:31:19] <jelly> m1dnight_: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
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1544[13:32:18] <m1dnight_> It seems to be postfix
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1546[13:32:24] <m1dnight_> Okay, so then I can check those settings.
1547[13:32:34] <m1dnight_> (I find this whole mail thing super confusing and I'm trying to get it straightened out)
1548[13:33:28] <g105b> Quick bash question: my script creates a reverse SSH tunnel, then continues to do other stuff, except the subsequent lines are being run on the remote connection.
1549[13:33:29] <g105b> How do I make my bash script wait until the ssh connection closes that it creates?
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1551[13:34:34] <themill> m1dnight_: check where /etc/aliases wants to deliver root's email to
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1555[13:35:21] <jelly> m1dnight_: by default, postfix maps root to user "nobody" and stores in /var/mail/nobody
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1557[13:36:08] <m1dnight_> I've put in a new line saying root: root
1558[13:36:10] <mycae> g105b, maybe look at expect?
1559[13:36:16] <jelly> m1dnight_: don't do that
1560[13:36:20] <m1dnight_> But otherwise there is no aliases where root is on the left hand side.
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1562[13:36:38] <mycae> g105b, replaced-url
1563[13:36:50] <jelly> m1dnight_: postfix' local(8) delivery agent is not meant to run as root
1564[13:36:57] <g105b> mycae: replaced-url
1565[13:37:02] <m1dnight_> So root does not have a mailbox then?
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1567[13:37:22] <jelly> this is why you set up an alias for delivery to a normal user
1568[13:37:26] <m1dnight_> Ah, okay
1569[13:37:36] <m1dnight_> Now it makes sense. I thought that was not the canonical configuration. I get t.
1570[13:37:39] <m1dnight_> Thanks! :)
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1574[13:39:08] <jelly> don't forget to run "newaliases" after a change
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1577[13:40:22] <m1dnight_> Yeah, did that already :D
1578[13:40:25] <m1dnight_> Thanks! :)
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1589[13:43:21] <pottsy> t
1590[13:43:23] <pottsy> exit
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1603[13:49:51] <g5pw> hello! I wanted to debug some fetch problems when doing apt-get update. The CLI says Failed to fetch, is there a debug flag to find out *why* it failed to fetch?
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1607[13:53:36] <tdn> themill, it is a backup and recovery tool that will allow you to do a bootable bare metal recovery
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1624[14:04:14] <OverCoder> okay um
1625[14:04:15] <OverCoder> oh nvm
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1630[14:05:34] <ChrisH> Is grsecurity something like AppArmor?
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1663[14:17:40] <themill> g5pw: it shows the HTTP error code
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1666[14:18:43] <g5pw> themill: I don't see any http error code :/
1667[14:18:52] <themill> can you pastebin the full output?
1668[14:19:00] <themill> (and the command)
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1672[14:20:59] <g5pw> themill: yes, replaced-url
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1675[14:21:34] <ksk> g5pw: eeh, there is *suse* in your paste? :D
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1678[14:22:26] <g5pw> ksk yes, repos for OwnCloud
1679[14:22:32] <ksk> I see. mhm seems to work for me.
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1681[14:22:50] <themill> !apt debug
1682[14:22:50] <dpkg> To debug what is going wrong with apt/apt-get/aptitude fetching from the mirrors, append «-o Debug::Acquire::http=true» to the command line. The output will be lengthy but informative.
1683[14:23:20] <g5pw> thanks themill
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1686[14:23:25] <themill> (I didn't realise you were talking about update -- it doesn't show that since it will have tried many different things trying to find the right file so there is no single error code)
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1702[14:30:41] <Achylles> I want to download all upgradable packages to a external HD, but when I do: apt-get upgrade --download-only debian wants do download them into /var/cache/apt/archives and I do not have enough space there...
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1709[14:31:55] <m1dnight_> Can I ask questions about postfix specific here?
1710[14:32:05] <Achylles> how do I download those packages to another folder?
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1717[14:34:11] <g5pw> for the record, I solved it. Somehow, ca-certificates didn't have the certificate root, so https connections were failing. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction themill :)
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1719[14:34:27] <themill> np
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1769[14:56:20] <JyZyXEL> if i do a 'simple sid backport', what would be a good way to make sure that im notified in case there is a security patch for the package?
1770[14:56:23] <placko> after power outage all my QT application are using very small font size so it is unreadable. Anyone have clue how to fix this?
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1842[15:32:50] <Iridos> JyZyXEL, it's a good question… now come up with a good answer
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1845[15:33:33] <JyZyXEL> Iridos: i was thinking about apticron, but i don't think it would work in this case
1846[15:33:37] <Iridos> (as far as I know, there is none and one should just try to use as few backported packages as possible)
1847[15:34:06] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: Other than closely monitoring the changelog or checking the tracker of doom if your application is affected by a CVE, there's no straight-forward way I can think of.
1848[15:34:36] <Iridos> I thought there was some (obscure?) way of tracking a source package
1849[15:35:02] <JyZyXEL> petn-randall: replaced-url
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1851[15:36:03] <bersace> Hi, does anyone have gpg --recv-keys hanging in testing or unstable with gpg 2.1.15-4 and above ?
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1854[15:36:43] <imMute> if I have a tiny patch (literally adds two lines) for the kernel to enable MTD functionality for a specific SPI flash device, what are the chances that it could get rolled into the Jessie kernel package? I've been having to rebuild the kernel every time Debian does an update, and it'd be awesome if I didn't have to. :)
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1856[15:37:44] <JyZyXEL> petn-randall: would be great if there was a tracker that allowed subscribing to individual packages security upgrades :p
1857[15:38:17] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
1858[15:38:17] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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1862[15:40:00] <JyZyXEL> it would be easy to make a little script to check packages status if the tracker had some kind of "Last activity: <date>"-field
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1864[15:41:10] <JyZyXEL> or maybe i could make a script that fetches the sid changelog of the package and compares it to a previously fetched changelog and compares them
1865[15:41:51] <Iridos> imMute, I think it would be pretty low, because debian doesn't add features to its stable kernel, only bugfixes… you could write a bug report on it… but also for bugs with bug reports, things primarily get fixed for unstable… (to clarify: this is not something I decide, it's only how I judge the chances of what will happen)
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1873[15:44:41] <imMute> Iridos: Well the patch doesn't apply on whatever is probably in unstable - a slightly newer version than 3.16 revamped how that device compatability is determined, explicitly added support for my chip, and even added a way to add support at runtime.
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1876[15:45:18] <gebruiker> Fontconfig quesiton: How can I make the ms fonts only available for libreoffice? How can I make the ms fonts only available for libreoffice?
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1891[15:52:20] <JyZyXEL> Iridos, petn-randall: ok, so you can simply subscribe to Package news RSS feed at: replaced-url
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1920[16:01:15] <Iridos> gebruiker, I don't think that's how fonts work… there's probably still some kind of a font server, and either a font is available through it or it's not
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1925[16:02:34] <Iridos> but admittedly I haven't looked at fonts in any detail for a long time
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1927[16:02:43] <gebruiker> Iridos: the culprit for me is, when mscore fonts are installed they mess up the browsing experience, Arial is known to render wrong on linux systems. I would like to stay away from the fonts but i als might need them in certain cases
1928[16:02:51] <Iridos> apparently fonts in ~/.fonts are only for one user
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1933[16:04:34] <Iridos> *shrug* don't browse websites that use arial
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1937[16:04:53] <Iridos> I still don't think there's any system in place to allow for per-application font selections
1938[16:05:01] <gebruiker> Iridos: arial is like used ... everywhere..
1939[16:05:04] <gebruiker> lol
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1943[16:05:24] <Iridos> *shrug*
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1947[16:05:50] <Iridos> keep the fonts somewhere in $HOME, only put them in ~/.fonts when you want to use them
1948[16:06:00] <Iridos> probably delete with fc-cache -r
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1950[16:07:11] <Iridos> read /usr/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html if you care so much, maybe it has something
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1953[16:07:55] <Iridos> gebruiker, or write a greasemonkey/user script that changes fonts in your browser to something other than arial
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1961[16:11:04] <woshty> why does my menu in lxde "application lauch bar" have other items than the "menu"? how to fix that?
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1983[16:19:05] <imMute> Iridos: whelp, wishlist bugreport sent. hopefully they'll bring it in
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1988[16:20:04] <bubblehead> Hello, I am trying to make a script in crontab that will delete files older than 1 day with the extension .tgz. I tried that: 0 */12 * * * /usr/bin/find /home/user/backup/vps/ -type f -mtime +1 -name '*.tgz' -execdir rm -- {} \; but it aint working even when I try the command by hand
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1991[16:20:32] <bubblehead> Anybody know of a command that is better to do that?
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2000[16:22:26] <keltim> bubblehead, what part of it is not working? have you tried replacing -execdir with ls or otherwise debug it?
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2002[16:23:18] <bubblehead> keltim: well when I run it, the files still are there
2003[16:23:35] <bubblehead> I did not, I am not that good with command line :#
2004[16:23:44] <Iridos> wait until they are two days old
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2006[16:23:58] <bubblehead> Iridos: some are 4 days old
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2012[16:24:45] <keltim> bubblehead, most likely the rm is not executing from the directory you want or '*.tgz' is not matching or mtime +1 is not matching
2013[16:24:56] <keltim> does it produce any errors?
2014[16:25:00] <bubblehead> probably the first one
2015[16:25:16] <petn-randall> bubblehead: Does "/usr/bin/find /home/user/backup/vps/ -type f -mtime +1 -name '*.tgz'" return any results?
2016[16:25:16] <bubblehead> not at all, I am running this command from the right directory:
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2021[16:25:39] <bubblehead> petn-randall: nope
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2023[16:25:43] <bubblehead> that is weird
2024[16:25:49] <bubblehead> the files are there
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2026[16:25:52] <bubblehead> and older than 1 day
2027[16:26:02] <bubblehead> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 119115205 Nov 6 12:01 naturalscents-20161106-060144.tgz
2028[16:26:11] <bubblehead> maybe filenames are too long or complicated or something?
2029[16:26:29] <bubblehead> command /usr/bin/find /home/user/backup/vps/ -type f -mtime +1 -name '*.tgz' did not return anything
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2031[16:26:51] <petn-randall> bubblehead: Does it return something if you remove '-mtime +1'?
2032[16:27:08] <bubblehead> petn-randall: yup
2033[16:27:10] <bubblehead> the whole list
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2035[16:27:20] <bubblehead> but i dont understand the date is from nov 6
2036[16:27:22] <bubblehead> we are the 8
2037[16:27:28] <bubblehead> it should display something
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2040[16:28:00] <Iridos> what does stat file |grep Mod say?
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2043[16:29:10] <bubblehead> Modify: 2016-11-06 12:00:25.002707947 -0500
2044[16:29:21] <bubblehead> which is even more strange lol
2045[16:29:27] <bubblehead> modify is okay
2046[16:29:50] <petn-randall> bubblehead: Every file has a creation time, a modify time and an access time. You might be looking at the wrong one.
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2050[16:30:25] <bubblehead> petn-randall: which command should we use to delete files created more than 1 day ago?
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2053[16:30:39] <bubblehead> is it ctime and not mtime? :P im guessing here lol
2054[16:30:42] <keltim> bubblehead, ls does not show the timestamp you need which is ctime. do ls -c
2055[16:30:47] <bubblehead> cool :P
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2058[16:31:17] <petn-randall> bubblehead: Pay close attention to the manual of find regarding time: File was last accessed n*24 hours ago. When find figures out how many 24-hour periods ago the file was last accessed, any fractional part is ignored, so to match -atime +1, a file has to have been accessed at least two days ago.
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2061[16:31:26] <petn-randall> bubblehead: (same for -mtime and -ctime)
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2064[16:31:45] <bubblehead> hmm
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2068[16:32:50] <bubblehead> i tried -atime -ctime and -mtime +1 and did not work. still that is strange
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2070[16:33:10] <bubblehead> ls -lc: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 50313237 Nov 6 12:00 mongia-20161106-060221.tgz
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2073[16:33:37] <petn-randall> bubblehead: Depending on your timezone, it's probably not 2 days ago.
2074[16:33:56] <bubblehead> oh that is right
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2076[16:34:02] <bubblehead> the vps is not the same timezone as me
2077[16:34:13] <Iridos> bubblehead, modification time isn't > days ago, depending on your timezone?
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2079[16:34:14] <bubblehead> you are right, lol
2080[16:34:19] <Iridos> heh
2081[16:34:32] <bubblehead> Thanks petn-randall and Iridos :) so then it works lol
2082[16:34:34] <Iridos> petn-randall, bah. I started typing long before you wrote that
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2084[16:34:37] <bubblehead> damn mornings
2085[16:34:43] <bubblehead> lol Iridos
2086[16:35:18] <petn-randall> Iridos: In your dreams ;P
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2088[16:35:30] <bubblehead> thanks again!
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2093[16:37:03] <Iridos> petn-randall, sure… I'm already sleepsupporting
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2105[16:42:45] <the_sniff> hey i have a script that works on debian 7, and not on debian 8. the error i get is ./chksysload.sh: line 35: [[: average:: syntax error in expression (error token is ":")
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2111[16:43:17] <greycat> Your script probably has a #!/bin/sh shebang but uses bash commands.
2112[16:43:35] <greycat> Your previous system probably had /bin/sh -> bash but the default in Debian (has been for a while now) is /bin/sh -> dash
2113[16:43:39] <the_sniff> no its "#!/bin/bash
2114[16:43:44] <greycat> Then how are you running it?
2115[16:43:51] <the_sniff> ./script
2116[16:43:54] <OpenTokix> is it "# or #?
2117[16:44:03] <the_sniff> without the quote
2118[16:44:13] <jelly> the_sniff: ls -ld ./chksysload.sh
2119[16:44:14] <greycat> We'd have to see line 35 (and possibly some context around it)
2120[16:44:21] <the_sniff> if [[ $F5M -gt $NOTIFY ]]; then
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2122[16:44:32] <the_sniff> gimme a minute ill juts paste the script
2123[16:44:41] <jelly> greycat: what does bash do if a user tries to ./foo a nonexecutable script?
2124[16:45:06] <greycat> bash invokes bash directly to execute the script
2125[16:45:17] <the_sniff> replaced-url
2126[16:45:18] <greycat> same as most other shells, which execute a child copy of themselves to execute the script
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2128[16:45:45] <jelly> hm
2129[16:45:50] <the_sniff> jelly root@littlered ~/monitor # ls -ld ./chksysload.sh
2130[16:45:50] <the_sniff> -rwx------ 1 root root 1804 Nov 8 17:38 ./chksysload.sh
2131[16:46:01] <the_sniff> sorry for the double line paste :p
2132[16:46:05] <jelly> np
2133[16:46:15] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ [[ average: -gt 5 ]]
2134[16:46:15] <greycat> bash: [[: average:: syntax error in expression (error token is ":")
2135[16:46:16] <jelly> so it's executable anyway
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2137[16:46:25] <the_sniff> yes it is
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2139[16:46:34] <the_sniff> greycat yeah, whats that about?
2140[16:46:43] <greycat> Sounds like one of your variables has a string "average:" in it instead of a number.
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2142[16:47:15] <greycat> Run the script with set -x, or dump the values of the variables right before that =check.
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2147[16:49:04] <the_sniff> thats weird, the $F5M has "average:" in it
2148[16:49:28] <the_sniff> why would it get the proper string in debian 7 and not 8? shouldnt the stdout of gnu tools stay the same?
2149[16:49:36] <greycat> How did you assign the variable?
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2151[16:49:55] <greycat> And no, you can't always rely on the stdout of commands to remain unchanged.
2152[16:50:09] <greycat> Compare the output of 'df' between wheezy and jessie for instance.
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2154[16:50:40] <the_sniff> dang
2155[16:50:45] <the_sniff> didnt know that
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2157[16:50:55] <the_sniff> echo "$(uptime | awk '{print $10}' | awk -F \. '{print $1}')"
2158[16:51:02] <the_sniff> it was supposed to show me the system load
2159[16:51:34] <greycat> What does 'uptime' say by itself on this system?
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2161[16:51:57] <the_sniff> the diff between the systems is the time. one has minutes, the other an hour format 22:11
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2163[16:52:12] <greycat> One of them probably doesn't have "days"
2164[16:52:20] <the_sniff> its the wrong number of token, ill fix the script
2165[16:52:48] <the_sniff> replaced-url
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2167[16:53:02] <the_sniff> i guess the ":" is treated as a token seperator
2168[16:53:02] <greycat> If you're parsing the first load average out of the output of uptime, I'd recommend: x=$(uptime) x=${x##*:} x=${x%%,*}
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2170[16:53:42] * jelly almost suggested cat /proc/loadavg instead... almost
2171[16:53:49] <the_sniff> thats nice, is that a substring from last ":" to next ","?
2172[16:53:50] <greycat> maybe add an extra space in the second part, x=${x##*: }
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2177[16:54:31] <greycat> ##*: means "delete everything from the start to the last :" and %%,* means "delete everything from the first , to the end"
2178[16:54:34] <the_sniff> jelly whats that lol
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2180[16:54:57] <the_sniff> cool, didnt know bash had that
2181[16:54:59] <the_sniff> thanks a lot!
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2183[16:55:09] <greycat> replaced-url
2184[16:55:37] <jelly> proc(5) man page sayeth: /proc/loadavg -- The first three fields in this file are load average figures giving the number of jobs in the run queue (state R) or waiting for disk I/O (state D) averaged over 1, 5, and 15 minutes. They are the same as the load average numbers given by uptime(1) and other programs.
2185[16:55:50] <sigdk> I've updated my iptables rules. Do I need to restart or save for the change to take place?
2186[16:55:50] <greycat> Yeah, that's better if you know you're running on Linux.
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2188[16:56:09] <jelly> which is why I didn't suggest it
2189[16:56:28] <jelly> kfreebsd! :-)
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2191[16:56:39] <the_sniff> well i am running on linux for sure lol
2192[16:56:45] <the_sniff> weird i never knew about that file
2193[16:56:50] <the_sniff> im so rusty haha
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2196[16:58:17] <the_sniff> thanks for the help guys
2197[16:58:23] <the_sniff> long time since i was last here :)
2198[16:59:00] <greycat> read F5M x < /proc/loadavg
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2200[16:59:34] <greycat> Or maybe you wanted: read x F5M x < /proc/loadavg # it's hard to tell
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2202[16:59:49] <the_sniff> its the first one
2203[16:59:56] <the_sniff> id rather use the string manipulation one though
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2205[17:00:07] <the_sniff> if its cross platform it could be useful in the future
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2210[17:00:38] <greycat> ok
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2224[17:03:22] <the_sniff> greycat, jelly thank you very much
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2273[17:22:22] <greycat> Usually I hand edit /etc/resolv.conf and then track down every stupid piece of software that wants to change it, and tell them NO!!
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2275[17:22:42] <greycat> Usually on my systems the only such piece of software is dhcp-client, so I edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf to achieve this.
2276[17:23:01] <jelly> rovar: do you have "resolvconf" installed?
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2279[17:23:08] <rovar> greycat, when I started the machine, nothing wanted to touch /etc/resolv.conf at all, so I enabled systemd-resolved
2280[17:23:12] <rovar> jelly, nope
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2282[17:23:17] <greycat> Some other people prefer the nuclear approach, chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
2283[17:23:20] <jelly> oh, no idea then
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2285[17:23:22] <rovar> I'm mostly sure that the only thing editingy the file is systemd-resolved
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2287[17:23:40] <greycat> You don't run a DHCP client on this machine?
2288[17:23:51] <rovar> but for some reason debian ships a systemd-resolved which doesn't allow the setting of anything other than DNS servers..
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2291[17:24:07] <rovar> it does run the init.d networking
2292[17:24:14] <jelly> resolvconf is (was?) debian's approach to unified, automated management of the file. Most dns-server and internet-config packages have hooks for it
2293[17:24:40] <jelly> rovar: how do you configure ip addresses?
2294[17:24:48] <rovar> init.d networking
2295[17:24:56] <greycat> Why would you be using init.d AND systemd-* on the same machine....
2296[17:25:01] <jelly> rovar: /etc/network/interfaces ?
2297[17:25:02] <greycat> You're not giving us a clear picture.
2298[17:25:06] <rovar> because that's what debian likes to do
2299[17:25:10] <rovar> jelly, yea.
2300[17:25:11] <greycat> No it's not.
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2302[17:25:40] <jelly> rovar: dhcp or static assignment?
2303[17:25:42] <rovar> greycat, jessie ships stock with both systemd and initd services enabled
2304[17:25:47] <rovar> jelly, dhcp
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2307[17:26:22] <greycat> If you're using a dhcp entry in /etc/network/interfaces then the FIRST and most IMPORTANT place you want to edit is /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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2310[17:27:04] <greycat> By default, dhclient uses the DNS nameservers and search domain that it gets from the DHCP server.
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2312[17:27:22] <greycat> I've never heard of ANYONE on debian using systemd-resolved until you.
2313[17:27:36] <jelly> rovar: then disable resolved and set up dhclient.conf to append or supersede domain-search parameters
2314[17:27:37] <rovar> greycat, yea.. I think I'll disable it and install resolvconf
2315[17:27:40] <jelly> !override dns
2316[17:27:41] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
2317[17:28:22] <ranix> I miss just modifying /etc/resolv.conf and chattr +i
2318[17:28:24] <jelly> so in addition to domain-name-servers you'd mess with domain-search as well. man dhclient.conf
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2328[17:31:44] <greycat> It's kinda hard to find in the man page :( There's no clear list of things-you-can-supersede and what the format is for the arguments of each one.
2329[17:31:47] <rovar> ok.. I've just disabled systemd-resolved
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2332[17:31:52] <rovar> and have enabled resolvconf
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2334[17:32:09] <rovar> I'm actually ok with using the search domains that were handed to me by dhcp
2335[17:32:12] <greycat> e.g. you have to use brute force to figure out that for IPs you use x, y but for domain names you use "x y"
2336[17:32:20] <rovar> my problem was that nothing was making it into /etc/resolv.conf
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2342[17:33:17] <greycat> You probably broke something with this systemd-resolved crap.
2343[17:34:58] <rovar> meh
2344[17:35:09] <rovar> it seems that systemd-resolved is pretty neutered on jessie
2345[17:35:12] <jelly> rovar: ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf, is it a symlink or a normal file?
2346[17:35:34] <jelly> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Oct 21 2015 /etc/resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf # when resolvconf works
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2348[17:36:15] <greycat> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 93 Sep 9 15:28 /etc/resolv.conf
2349[17:36:15] <greycat> un resolvconf <none> <none> (no description available)
2350[17:36:33] <greycat> When resolvconf is not installed, and dhclient.conf has been edited to NOT request name-servers from the DHCP server at all.
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2352[17:36:57] <jelly> ha
2353[17:37:01] <greycat> There are many possible ways to do it.
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2356[17:37:44] <jelly> I have a couple intermittent vpns and want to have dynamic resolv.conf
2357[17:38:06] <jelly> even if most apps only read it once at start, because glibc
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2371[17:42:49] <rovar> jelly, greycat - thanks for your help. I just apt-get installed resolvconf and then ln -s /run/resolvconf/resolve.conf /etc
2372[17:42:53] <rovar> and magic happens
2373[17:43:08] <greycat> hopefully without that second 'e'
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2382[17:44:48] <this-is-my-nick> thanks jelly
2383[17:45:16] <this-is-my-nick> is t
2384[17:45:20] <rovar> greycat, ya :)
2385[17:45:27] <this-is-my-nick> is there any good tftp server for debian?
2386[17:45:39] <this-is-my-nick> preferably without an overly complicated config file?
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2389[17:46:06] <jelly> judd: whatprovides tftp-server
2390[17:46:14] <judd> Package tftp-server in jessie/amd64 is provided by: tftpd-hpa.
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2392[17:46:26] <rovar> this-is-my-nick, I just used tftpd
2393[17:46:26] <jelly> tftp daemons are all old and crabby and have text config files
2394[17:46:39] <rovar> when making a pxe host
2395[17:46:42] <rovar> it was adequate
2396[17:46:52] <this-is-my-nick> jelly: all of them?
2397[17:47:04] <this-is-my-nick> nobody has a GUI config linux tftpd?
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2402[17:48:01] <jelly> not that I know of
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2406[17:48:27] <this-is-my-nick> Vote for Hillary to stop protecting Israel, and let the Jews die! Vote for Clinton to respect all cultures, including the radical Islamic nations which treat women as property! Vote for Clinton to leave ISIS alone! Vote for Hillary to let Iran build nukes while their people chant "death to america"! Vote for Clinton to make Russia great again!
2407[17:48:34] <this-is-my-nick> oh sorry
2408[17:48:35] <this-is-my-nick> wrong paste
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2414[17:49:09] <jelly> sadly my initial hunch was right
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2420[17:52:23] <gebruiker> * shivers *
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2429[17:55:52] <DustyDingus> Monica, are you there?
2430[17:55:57] <DustyDingus> Its Bill
2431[17:56:02] <DustyDingus> I need my dingus dusted again
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2435[17:56:45] <thurstylark> jelly: ^'
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2438[17:56:57] <DustyDingus> shit, man
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2441[17:57:11] <greycat> Might as well just stay +o
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2448[17:59:17] <jelly> Fuchs: I already +b it here, presumably they'll be back
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2450[17:59:25] <jelly> until they get bored
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2454[18:00:16] * gebruiker wonders if this is an actual strategy in politics
2455[18:00:32] <jelly> gebruiker: #debian-offtopic
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2563[18:45:10] <OverCoder-> Hi guys
2564[18:45:11] <OverCoder-> uhm
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2567[18:45:34] <OverCoder-> uh what's wrong with me, I keep clicking on #debian rather than #ubuntu, I did this 3 times in row
2568[18:45:36] * OverCoder- facepalms
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2570[18:45:46] <jelly> !comfort OverCoder-
2571[18:45:46] <dpkg> There, there, OverCoder-. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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2583[18:52:06] <kion> is there anything wrong with the packages of deb-multimedia.org? Should I be concearned about including it in my sources?
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2585[18:52:40] <mtn> kion: you got an answer on oftc.net
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2636[19:10:08] <Bliepo> Hello everyone, I want to replace a disk in my btrfs root filesystem which uses multiple devices. According to the btrfs wiki one can use btrfs replace for failed devices, but would this also work for devices that are still working? And would this be the best way to replace the disk, or would another method be preferabble instead?
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2638[19:10:30] <AlexLikeRock> hellow
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2643[19:11:54] <AlexLikeRock> Bliepo, backup in HOT
2644[19:12:40] <Bliepo> AlexLikeRock: Off course I have a backup ready, but I'd rather not use it ;-)
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2680[19:22:44] <Bliepo> AlexLikeRock: But that would not include changes made during the backup, so that wouldn't work for me
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2828[20:13:30] <Andocromn> I'm attempting to install a deb file and i'm getting an error "Depends: python:any (>= 2.6.6-7~) which is a virtual package." however i have python 2.7 installed. can anyone tell me why this shows as an unmet dependancy?
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2835[20:14:23] <greycat> ,v python
2836[20:14:24] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.11-2; sid: 2.7.11-2
2837[20:14:51] <greycat> Not sure about "python:any" since it's got an architecture.
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2842[20:16:00] <Andocromn> i don't understand why something being a virtual package would be seen as an unmet dependancy
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2846[20:17:17] <greycat> but... python is not a virtual package in Debian
2847[20:17:24] <greycat> You're not using Debian, are you.
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2856[20:19:19] <dimnikos72_> anybody knows a channel for network engineers?
2857[20:19:33] <greycat> ##networking
2858[20:19:38] <`Kevin> #cisco or ^
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2860[20:19:49] <dimnikos72_> thank you
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2863[20:20:40] <Iridos> there are a lot of packages that depend on python:any, though
2864[20:20:55] <`Kevin> dimnikos72_: also #bird and #CumulusNetworks (smaller but mostly linux specific) .. quagga
2865[20:21:25] <dimnikos72_> thank you kevin
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2868[20:22:20] <Iridos> like… 1300
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2885[20:26:53] <Andocromn> greycat, i am using debian
2886[20:27:03] <Andocromn> wheezy... for what its worth
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2894[20:29:51] <jhutchins> Andocromn: Is the package you're trying to install from Debian?
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2896[20:30:03] <greycat> Wheezy should have "python" version 2.7.3-4+deb7u1
2897[20:30:33] <Andocromn> it does have python 2.7, thats whats tripping me up
2898[20:30:33] <greycat> And it's a real package, not virtual.
2899[20:30:46] <greycat> Not "python2.7". That's a separate package. You should have that also.
2900[20:30:48] <azarus> Hey guys, got a problem with logging in. I somehow managed to mess up my shell, and now, when i log in to a tty, i see the motd for a split second before it sends me to a login again.
2901[20:31:06] <dimnikos72_> question : do i need to keep all packages of python or just the last and erase the before versions?
2902[20:31:06] <greycat> ii python 2.7.3-4+deb7u1 all interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)
2903[20:31:09] <greycat> ii python2.7 2.7.3-6+deb7u3 i386 Interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.7)
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2906[20:32:01] <greycat> dimnikos72_: depends on whether you have any locally installed python scripts that need the older verrions
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2908[20:32:23] <dimnikos72_> i see .thnx
2909[20:32:36] <Andocromn> ii python 2.7.3-4+deb7u1 all interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)
2910[20:32:57] <Andocromn> ii python2.7 2.7.3-6+deb7u3 amd64 Interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.7)
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2912[20:33:21] <Andocromn> so i have them both...
2913[20:33:22] <greycat> That looks correct for wheezy.
2914[20:33:27] <Andocromn> correct
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2924[20:37:13] <Andocromn> jhutchins, it looks like the deb files i've been given are from debian, but from the stretch distribution. the version required is not avalable in wheezy or jessie repos
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2929[20:39:08] <azarus> Shouldn't a system with a messed up bash switch to sh? Mine just kinda quits...
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2931[20:39:26] <nkuttler> azarus: the system should use sh by default
2932[20:39:39] <nkuttler> azarus: if you're talking about your user, no, that's up to you
2933[20:39:45] <somiaj> azarus: what do you mean by just switch? What isn't working? is it due to the login shell is set as /bin/bash in /etc/passwd?
2934[20:39:57] <azarus> Yeah, might be.
2935[20:40:02] <zeden> Hi. Qt apps are not inheriting the GTK style anymore. The last qtbase update removed the pkg libqt5libqgtk2 and replaced with qt5-gtk-plataformtheme but now it doesn't work anymore. Anyone had the same problem?
2936[20:40:02] <greycat> What exactly is "messed up", how do you know it, what symptom are you seeing?
2937[20:40:22] <somiaj> zeden: running testing/unstable?
2938[20:40:34] <zeden> somiaj: running sid
2939[20:40:37] <azarus> After i login, i see the motd for a split second, before it throws be back to the login, greycat
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2941[20:41:02] <somiaj> zeden: you should be asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and you should also check the BTS when new packages have bugs. If not track it down and submit one.
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2947[20:42:59] <zeden> somiaj: Will check there, thanks! Also I have searched for related bugs on debian bts and qtbug to no avail. The pkg libqt5libqgtk2 is present in some architectures, but not amd64/i386
2948[20:43:02] <greycat> azarus: as a temporary fix, change your account's login shell to one that works. Then find out what's wrong with your current shell and fix it.
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2950[20:43:25] <azarus> How can i do that, since i'm not able to login?
2951[20:43:39] <somiaj> zeden: sounds like a package migration. If it is the same source package you can track bugs that way
2952[20:43:43] <greycat> As root, try "chsh yourusername"
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2954[20:44:02] <azarus> Sure, tried that before, but, i'm not able to login as any user.
2955[20:44:05] <greycat> If you can't even login as root, then you may have to boot from rescue media.
2956[20:44:16] <azarus> Okay, debian live?
2957[20:44:29] <greycat> Anything that will boot and give you a working shell and let you mount the broken system.
2958[20:44:33] <azarus> Okay.
2959[20:45:05] <greycat> In theory, even booting with something like init=/bin/dash *might* work but I haven't tried this.
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2964[20:46:04] <azarus> I actually could try that, greycat
2965[20:46:13] <azarus> So, boot entry edit?
2966[20:46:32] <greycat> !ifrp
2967[20:46:32] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
2968[20:47:03] <azarus> Ooh, very nice. I'll try that first.
2969[20:47:06] <greycat> but use /bin/dash instead of /bin/sh, and use other commands instead of passwd root
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2977[20:50:39] <azarus> I tried booting with the grub command, but to no avail. Same symptoms as before.
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2987[20:57:32] <azarus> greycat, sorry, failed to mention you. Kernel option failed. Trying live usb now.
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3052[21:20:18] <jhutchins> SSL: .pem is the same format as .cer, right?
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3096[21:38:33] <kale> what heppened to mysql-workbench?
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3112[21:44:22] <TomTomTo1> why should anything have happened to it?
3113[21:44:49] <kale> i had in it stretch a couple of months ago, seems the package is not there anymore
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3115[21:45:09] <greycat> We don't know anything about stretch.
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3117[21:45:15] <greycat> ,v mysql-workbench
3118[21:45:16] <judd> Package: mysql-workbench on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.2.40+dfsg-2; jessie: 6.2.3+dfsg-7; sid: 6.3.4+dfsg-3+b5
3119[21:45:27] <greycat> Uh huh, go ask the stretch people.
3120[21:45:31] <kale> oh dear, sorry, where would i go for stretch ?
3121[21:45:35] <greycat> !debian-next
3122[21:45:36] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3129[21:46:56] <Arianna> Squirrel SQL Client might work in place of MySQL Workbench. There is no Debian package, but it's not that hard to download and install yourself.
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3151[21:56:21] <oaps> is there a way to install android in a chroot on debian with a standard debian kernel (on ia-32) ?
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3153[21:56:37] <jhutchins> I seem to recall mysql-workbench having problems before.
3154[21:57:09] <petn-randall> oaps: Probably, but you're better off using a VM and installing something like Remix OS.
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3157[21:57:52] <oaps> petn-randall: sadly, on my laptop i'm definitely not better off using a vm. hardware virtualisation is disabled in the bios, so everything is super slow.
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3160[21:58:37] <jhutchins> ,v squirrelmail
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3164[21:58:38] <judd> Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- sid: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; wheezy: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; experimental: 2:1.5.1-5
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3200[22:14:39] <HJfFun> Can someone explain to me the real impact of the installation of a package with the command dpkg - i on a stable system(build on scr-sid for example). Is it a broken dependence problem ?
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3202[22:15:05] <greycat> You mean building your own backports? It's a supported thing.
3203[22:15:23] <greycat> But I draw the line at any backport that wants me to upgrade dpkg or tar.
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3205[22:15:50] <greycat> I also want to draw a line around Debian devs who use bleeding edge tar --options in fuckin' build commands.
3206[22:15:56] <greycat> And then drop rocks on them.
3207[22:16:06] <HJfFun> greycat, nope a package of sid build by apt-get build-dep PACKAGE_NAME & apt-get -b source PACKAGE_NAME
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3209[22:16:42] <greycat> You built a backport of a sid *source* package, yes? Following the "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" procedure? That is precisely what I've been talking about.
3210[22:16:49] <missmbob> i never need understand why they fucked with tar options like that
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3212[22:17:31] <HJfFun> greycat, my bad ^^ I'm listening to you
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3216[22:19:06] <HJfFun> greycat, so when this package will be add to the current stable it will update naturaly after ?
3217[22:19:16] <missmbob> no
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3219[22:19:18] <greycat> It will never be added to jessie.
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3222[22:19:30] <unborn> :)
3223[22:19:58] <missmbob> you'll have to manually keep doing backports every time there's an update for that package and manually install it
3224[22:20:00] <zerothis1> I'm using a 64-bit installation. I installed 32-bit mesa and not opengl doesn't work at all
3225[22:20:00] <greycat> If in the future you upgrade to stretch, it may be updated at that time. Maybe.
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3228[22:20:31] <HJfFun> ? I mean a package that is already inside the jessy but version different
3229[22:20:39] <greycat> No, it will not be updated.
3230[22:20:58] <HJfFun> ok thx
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3232[22:21:03] <greycat> You've got locally backported version 7. Jessie has version 4. Jessie updates to version 4.0001. 7 is still higher.
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3235[22:21:26] <HJfFun> hoooo ok I understand now
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3237[22:22:34] <HJfFun> does it exist a best procedure for doing that ?
3238[22:22:47] <greycat> For building a backport? /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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3240[22:23:03] <greycat> or "ssb" for short
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3242[22:23:16] <HJfFun> /msg dpkg simple sid backport
3243[22:23:25] <greycat> no leading space
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3246[22:24:51] <HJfFun> yes for building a sid backport & use it inside a jessie & try to keep it update :p
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3248[22:25:08] <greycat> There's no magic to "keep it updated". You just have to do it.
3249[22:25:12] <greycat> Or don't.
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3253[22:25:53] <HJfFun> greycat, ok thx for your time, i really appreciate. see u soon :)
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3256[22:28:46] <unborn> zerothis1: 64 !=32bit....
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3260[22:30:47] <unborn> its like putting petrol in diesel car heh
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3268[22:33:10] <unborn> im off :)
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3274[22:34:07] <TomTomTo1> zerothis1: can you be more specific?
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