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0 [00:00:15] <jhutchins> Things to try: swap mice instead of
adding new. Boot with new mouse. Any other suggestions?
1 [00:00:38] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: anything interesting in
dmesg? are you using a USB hub?
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9 [00:04:33] <jhutchins> No and no.
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12 [00:04:41] <jhutchins> lsusb still sees it.
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20 [00:05:22] <jhutchins> Guess I'll head back over there
and try to think of something.
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23 [00:05:35] <jhutchins> The printer has been dropping off-line
for a while, that gets logged.
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102 [00:43:35] <alreece45> I'm trying to set PYTHONPATH, but
it seems like Debian's /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages always
gets added before the paths listed in PYTHONPATH. Is there a
debian-way to add my own (user specific) sys.path before the
system's dist-packages?
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112 [00:46:39] <boulet101010> Hi, I have a wireless mouse that
works on one computer with debian 8 and not on the other,
that's what the non-working dmesg says about it :
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113 [00:47:03] <boulet101010> the only difference between the
working and non-working pc logs is the line [ 8918.701000]
hid-generic 0003:248A:8566.0005: usage index exceeded
114 [00:47:19] <boulet101010> when it works, it says that
it's ignoring usage limit.
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121 [00:48:47] <jmcnaught> alreece45: if the user specific python
modules are only used sometimes, have you tried python-virtualenv
and virtualenvwrapper?
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124 [00:50:43] <gordon24186> I'm on a laptop, having to use
an external display (the laptop screen is broken), can anyone tell
me why when I put a disc in to reinstall my system (cause I scewed
it up), I get nothing but very fine lines. I tried a windoze disc to
see wth, and it loaded fine. Any suggestions?
125 [00:50:46] <jmcnaught> alreece45: also where did you try
setting PYTHONPATH? In ~/.bashrc ?
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132 [00:53:46] <Billsey> gordon, does your BIOS allow ofrcing the
default display to the external monitor? I'm guessing it's
only using the builtin one until an OS loads.
133 [00:53:52] <BinBasher> any idea how I can change the default
name given to a screenshot in gnome?
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152 [01:00:51] <gordon24186> Billsey, when I push the power
button to the laptop, I close the lid quickly and it loads up on the
display. When I tried using the Gparted on a disc, it did the same
thing.
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155 [01:01:54] <alreece45> jmcnaught: Had not, checking now
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160 [01:02:43] <alreece45> Billsey: I was just doing an export
PYTHON_PATH=... -- It shows up in sys.path, but always after the
system dist-packages
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183 [01:08:59] <augustomorais> Is there some repository to keep
my jre always updated on stretch ? last version is 1.8u77 but on
stretch is 1.8u72
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193 [01:12:31] <bazhang> ,v openjdk-7-jre
194 [01:12:33] <judd> Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy:
7u3-2.1.7-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 7u91-2.6.3-1~deb7u1; jessie:
7u91-2.6.3-1~deb8u1; stretch: 7u91-2.6.3-1; wheezy-security:
7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb8u1; sid:
7u95-2.6.4-1; experimental: 7u95-2.6.4-3
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198 [01:13:23] <Nik05> augustomorais ^
199 [01:13:54] <Nik05> ,v openjdk-8-jre
200 [01:13:55] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 8u72-b15-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u72-b15-4; sid:
8u77-b03-1
201 [01:14:09] <Nik05> sid had 8u77
202 [01:15:04] <Nik05> augustomorais just wait a few days
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205 [01:15:58] <Nik05> augustomorais it needs to be at least 5
days in sid, before it can be installed into stretch
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207 [01:16:17] <Nik05>
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211 [01:18:06] <Nik05> Which is the problem with testing, you
will not get security updates straight away, unless very close to
being stable
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220 [01:24:39] <augustomorais> Nik05, Humm... really? I didnt
know it.
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370 [02:38:07] <[BNC]dimitry7> hey guys
371 [02:38:11] <[BNC]dimitry7> what does this error mean? via
eth0: network 192.168.1.0/24: no free leases
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373 [02:38:45] <npo> [BNC]dimitry7: did you try refreshing your
dhcp?
374 [02:39:25] <[BNC]dimitry7> npo, nop, do I ?
375 [02:39:56] <npo> [BNC]dimitry7: that sounds like a dhcp lease
was expired
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377 [02:40:11] <[BNC]dimitry7> npo, I restarted dhcp now but
didn't work
378 [02:40:16] <[BNC]dimitry7> yeah, what can I do?
379 [02:40:30] <npo> oh hmm
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381 [02:41:20] <npo> its giving you the same error?
382 [02:42:07] <markybob> you could restart your router and try
again
383 [02:42:19] <npo> ^
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385 [02:42:32] <npo> the problem definitely seems to be related
to dhcp in some way
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387 [02:43:52] <[BNC]dimitry7> marko, i restarted the service
388 [02:43:57] <[BNC]dimitry7> npo, yeah
389 [02:44:07] <[BNC]dimitry7> guys
390 [02:44:09] <[BNC]dimitry7> i gotta go
391 [02:44:19] <[BNC]dimitry7> let's check it tomorrow,
thank you and good night!
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393 [02:46:36] <npo> good night
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396 [02:47:27] <trickshotjohnny> so, partman question. I have a
partman config that does ext3 until I upgrade my netboot kernel to
3.16 instead of 3.2
397 [02:47:30] <trickshotjohnny> this is on wheezy
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400 [02:47:46] <trickshotjohnny> but when I upgrade the kernel,
it only formats ext4 and will not honor the config.
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448 [03:18:12] <mykhailyk> is Debian Linux an Operating System?
Or it's just a 'build' of Linux kernel ?
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453 [03:19:59] <nevyn> mykhailyk: Debian GNU/Linux is an
Operating system
454 [03:20:07] <markybob> mykhailyk: debian's website says
it pretty well. it runs not only linux, but kFreeBSD and Hurd
455 [03:20:43] <RoyK> iirc kfreebsd and hurd are out in the cold
after jessie
456 [03:20:43] <markybob> mykhailyk: thus the universal operating
system title
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458 [03:21:01] <markybob> they've kinda always been behind
459 [03:21:29] <RoyK> anyway - debian is an OS - not k kernel
460 [03:21:36] <RoyK> not *a* kernel
461 [03:21:53] <RoyK> nevyn: just try it in a vm or something
462 [03:23:00] <henryk> hurd's wiki page says a lot about
how popular Debian GNU/Hurd is ;D
replaced-url
463 [03:23:17] <nevyn> RoyK: ?
464 [03:23:29] <markybob> henryk: that wasn't the question
465 [03:23:42] <RoyK> nevyn: just try it - you'll learn a
bit
466 [03:24:02] <RoyK> sorry ;)
467 [03:24:08] <npo> p9
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469 [03:24:25] <RoyK> mykhailyk: just try debian on an old
machine or in a vm - you may learn a bit
470 [03:24:31] <nevyn> ah.
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473 [03:25:49] <RoyK> mykhailyk: I'd say, try the x64 (or
x86) version first to get used to it - then - if you like it,
perhaps try some other variants
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477 [03:28:12] <RoyK> mykhailyk: debian is just a distro like
every other linux distros - they all have their focuses, targets
etc. some are quite cutting edge, as with ubuntu. some are more
conservative, like rhel/centos and debian. the choice beetween them
is usually about taste
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481 [03:31:26] <RoyK> mykhailyk: I prefer debian on my servers,
it's stable and sufficiently modern, and ubuntu on desktop,
since it has more new stuff, although not the part all are tested
that well, but then again, that doesn't matter that much on a
desktop
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483 [03:32:23] <RoyK> if we start a distro war here, it'll
run until some midnight, somewhere on the globe, and forward until
someone start banning people
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485 [03:34:08] <mykhailyk> idk, i just wanted to understand
whether i can call debian an OS or not
486 [03:34:41] <markybob> mykhailyk: yes it's an OS. just
not "only" linux
487 [03:34:42] <mykhailyk> because some guys have told me that OS
is a Linux kernel only
488 [03:35:12] <RoyK> mykhailyk: linux is a kernel
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490 [03:35:21] <Alexandrov> yes, Linux is a kernel.
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492 [03:35:30] <Alexandrov> a UNIX-like kernel.
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494 [03:35:33] <RoyK> mykhailyk: debian, redhat, slackware,
ubuntu, whatever, uses linux
495 [03:35:38] <RoyK> mykhailyk: android uses linux
496 [03:35:45] <RoyK> mykhailyk: most tv sets uses linux
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498 [03:36:02] <Alexandrov> my car radio is using Linux too
499 [03:36:14] <Alexandrov> Idk what it is called, radio or
something but with LCD
500 [03:36:20] <RoyK> probably a bunch of cars run on linux
501 [03:36:22] <Alexandrov> it uses Linux
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504 [03:37:34] <RoyK> mykhailyk: in the land of linux,
there's a distinct difference between userspace and kernel
space, as opposed to most other operating systems, so even though
your phone runs android, it's still linux based
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507 [03:38:33] <RoyK> mykhailyk: actually, most little gadgets
around with sufficient cpu/memory run linux these days
508 [03:39:26] <RoyK> mykhailyk: since there's no point of
reinventing the wheel, or pay someone for some OS
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510 [03:40:00] * zykotick9 sees the above converstion, from his
FSF-friendly viewpoint, and smiles :)
511 [03:40:36] <Alexandrov> RoyK, why there are so many distros?
512 [03:40:44] <RoyK> some stuff uses BSD things, though
513 [03:40:57] <markybob> Alexandrov: why are there so many candy
types?
514 [03:41:08] <Alexandrov> Many flavours of course.
515 [03:41:14] <RoyK> nothing wrong with that - for some uses it
can be better - freebsd firewalling can be better for some - the
license is more open etc
516 [03:41:19] <markybob> Alexandrov: yeah. there you go.
517 [03:41:19] <Alexandrov> Okay now I get it.
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522 [03:42:12] <Alexandrov> but most of the distros are built
based on Ubuntu, why not we´re just using Ubuntu or Debian?
523 [03:42:22] <Alexandrov> *were built based
524 [03:42:30] <markybob> Alexandrov: no, most are based on
debian, not ubuntu.
525 [03:42:30] <RoyK> Alexandrov:
replaced-url
526 [03:42:59] <markybob> Alexandrov: and then you have things
like arch, redhat, gentoo, etc, which are completely different
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528 [03:43:12] <Alexandrov> hahaha ¨standard¨ matters
529 [03:43:15] <henryk> mykhailyk, the OS is made up of many
parts. one of which is the kernel, which is linux. the kernel is
mostly there to manage resources. on its own the kernel is not very
useful. GNU provides a collection of software that make linux
somewhat of an operating system. Debian GNU/Lunux builds on top of
GNU and Linux to create a feature rich and flexible OS with easy
tools to install and manage software.
530 [03:43:30] <Alexandrov> I see.
531 [03:43:59] <Alexandrov> I see.
532 [03:44:10] <RoyK> linux distros differ mostly in where htey
stor configuration files, and the version of software they includ
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534 [03:44:15] <RoyK> that's it, really
535 [03:44:42] <RoyK> (sorry for the spelling, it's late)
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538 [03:44:47] <markybob> not even close. managing debian vs
gentoo vs arch is very different
539 [03:45:11] <RoyK> not really
540 [03:45:13] <zykotick9> RoyK: i'd say that's a gross
misinterpretations of the differences between distros...
541 [03:45:19] <markybob> throw redhat in there and you're
fucked
542 [03:45:37] <RoyK> I'm managing several distros
concurrently at work
543 [03:45:42] <RoyK> I know the diffs
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545 [03:45:49] <markybob> RoyK: you're misrepresenting
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547 [03:46:49] <RoyK> I made my own distro at a point to make it
small enought to fit inside a small initramrd, back in 2000 or so
548 [03:47:02] <RoyK> linux isn't too hard once you
understand it
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550 [03:47:11] <markybob> RoyK: good for you. that's
irrelevant
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552 [03:47:28] <henryk> something something not the question :P
553 [03:47:34] <nevyn> the management practices of different
distro's are quite different. while at a high level
they're similar.
554 [03:47:41] <nevyn> the devil is in the details
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557 [03:48:17] <RoyK> nevyn: yeah, and those take some time
getting to, obviously
558 [03:48:52] <nevyn> chkconfig vs update-rc.d
559 [03:48:55] <RoyK> (hence my dislike of rhel and their
friends)
560 [03:48:57] * jmcnaught wonders if #debian-offtopic would be a
better place for this discussion.
561 [03:48:58] <nevyn> for a simple example
562 [03:49:00] <RoyK> or systemd
563 [03:49:02] <nevyn> yes yes
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566 [03:49:04] <nevyn> mybad
567 [03:49:07] <Alexandrov> hey guys, I´m trying to
benchmarking my old laptop by using UBCD, I use the CPU stress
tester and it keeps shutting down each time the benchmarking was
done. What
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570 [03:49:19] <Alexandrov> *what is wrong with my old laptop?
571 [03:49:20] <nevyn> Alexandrov: themal overload
572 [03:49:30] <Alexandrov> Okay thank you.
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574 [03:49:45] <nevyn> Alexandrov: clean it.
575 [03:49:46] <RoyK> nevyn: but then, update-rc.d and chkconfig
are just symlinks, so it's not really a problem - it's
still sysv
576 [03:50:10] <nevyn> RoyK: let's move to -offtopic
577 [03:50:16] <RoyK> hehe
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579 [03:50:33] <RoyK> too tired - let's speak tomorrow
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581 [03:50:35] <RoyK> nite
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583 [03:50:57] <nevyn> so I disagree for the record ;)
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585 [03:51:17] <RoyK> go on
586 [03:51:31] <markybob> no let's not
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614 [04:05:11] <acu_> Hello guys- I have a virtual machine with
debian Jessie with two NICS - one goes to internet through brWAN the
otherone goes to LAN through brLAN - however, I can't seem to
make them both working - if I have them both only LAN works the
other one is shutoff - is there a trick in /etc/network/interfaces
that will somehow allow this to work ? is there in host I need to do
? - The host is debian jessie - but I have other virtual machine
615 [04:05:11] <acu_> CENTOS7 with two NICS - one goes to lan one
to wan -that works, debian ones do not - any hint is appreciated
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617 [04:06:03] <nevyn> acu_: check the gateway information
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619 [04:06:32] <nevyn> acu_: if you bring up the external nic
last does it work then?
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625 [04:10:17] <acu_> nevyn - no, I will try again - I made
similar things work before - I had issues with physical machine with
two NICs - I have to see again - I remember I gave some priority to
one over other - soemthng like this - some wholoowhoolo it worked
but now I need to do it for a virtual machine
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1077 [06:28:23] <sewerinspector> let me know if this is better
suited for #linux or something... question about kernel config: I
want to use my old config for this kernel i'm about to compile
except i only want to change one config parameter
1078 [06:28:50] <sewerinspector> there's gotta be a way to do
this. anyone know of some relevant docs and/or tips?
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1081 [06:32:44] <sewerinspector> nevermind i got it. thanks all.
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1083 [06:34:30] <nevyn> sewerinspector: vi ;)
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1086 [06:34:56] <nevyn> sewerinspector: but you probably also want
to run mkae oldconfig to check for any new/changed parameters
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1091 [06:35:37] <sewerinspector> nevyn: lol i wish i were that
good. but yeah i just moved my .config from /usr/src/<old kernel
stuff> to where i'm building my new kernel and ran make
oldconfig
1092 [06:35:45] <sewerinspector> now i'm just editing stuff
with make menuconfig
1093 [06:36:05] <nevyn> sewerinspector: the .config isn't
that complicated
1094 [06:36:53] <sewerinspector> nevyn: word. I'm very
inexperienced with kernel hacking etc
1095 [06:37:29] <sewerinspector> actually maybe this would be a
better question to ask: the whole reason i'm doing this is
because i installed debian from a live cd which does not have UEFI
support
1096 [06:37:36] <nevyn> sewerinspector: vi .config search for the
parameter chto change swap a m out with a y or n...
1097 [06:37:57] <sewerinspector> ohhh i see what you're
saying. that makes a lot of sense
1098 [06:38:01] <sewerinspector> i probably could just do that
1099 [06:38:20] <sewerinspector> anyway i'm trying to migrate
from legacy bios to UEFI without having to reinstall
1100 [06:38:25] <sewerinspector> lol
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1102 [06:40:14] <sewerinspector> nevyn: would this be a heavy
undertaking or is it feasible?
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1122 [06:50:02] <de-facto> sewerinspector not sure but wouldnt
UEFI need GPT with that specal efi partition?
1123 [06:50:22] <sewerinspector> de-facto: oddly enough i do have
a /boot/efi partition
1124 [06:50:56] <sewerinspector> de-facto: this is an lsblk:
replaced-url
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1126 [06:52:04] <nevyn> sewerinspector: so... uefi won't boot
dos partition tables afaik
1127 [06:52:59] <sewerinspector> dos partition tables?
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1130 [06:53:20] <sewerinspector> should /boot/efi be included with
my lvm stuff?
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1132 [06:55:07] <sewerinspector> nevyn: i actually managed to
install grub to that partition for whatever that's worth
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1134 [06:55:13] <de-facto> sewerinspector you can see which
partition type you have with something like "sudo parted
/dev/sda print"
1135 [06:55:56] <sewerinspector> de-facto: seen here:
replaced-url
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1138 [06:56:28] <sewerinspector> that /boot/efi dir has to be
formatted as FAT as far as I've read
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1140 [06:57:09] <de-facto> ah great that should work i guess
1141 [06:57:21] <de-facto> yep looks good
1142 [06:57:27] <sewerinspector> cool :D
1143 [06:58:17] <de-facto> its gpt with fat32 for /boot/efi with
"boot, esp" flags set, so i guess you are good to go from
that standpoint
1144 [06:58:41] <sewerinspector> as far as i can see all i need to
boot into a kernel that is configured with CONFIG_EFI_VARS=y and
i'm good to go
1145 [06:58:48] <sewerinspector> all i need to do*
1146 [06:58:57] <sewerinspector> well
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1150 [06:59:18] <de-facto> have you looked in that /boot/efi dir
if there is already a bootloader inside that?
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1154 [07:00:06] <sewerinspector> well there is now because
i've already tried simply installing the efi grub and rebooting
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1156 [07:00:15] <sewerinspector> but there wasn't anything in
there before
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1158 [07:01:04] <de-facto> you might want to read about
replaced-url
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1161 [07:02:30] <de-facto> its for manipulating the EFI firmware
boot entries (unlike bios you can set variables and entries in efi
apart from the hdd)
1162 [07:02:41] <sewerinspector> de-facto: damn that's pretty
specific
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1164 [07:03:02] <sewerinspector> also of interest: Note:
efibootmgr requires that the kernel support access to EFI
non-volatile variables (through /proc/efi/vars on 2.4 kernels,
/sys/firmware/efi/vars on 2.6 kernels). modprobe efivars should do
the trick.
1165 [07:03:12] <sewerinspector> the above is why i'm
recompiling the kernel
1166 [07:03:36] <darxmurf> hi all
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1172 [07:06:04] <sewerinspector> de-facto: the question becomes,
even if I manage to get this all working and I can boot with EFI,
will I continue to get kernels from the repos that don't have
that EFI_VARS flag set properly?
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1174 [07:06:35] <grawity> "properly"?
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1176 [07:07:02] <grawity> the proper setting is =n, your
efibootmgr is just way out of date
1177 [07:07:18] <grawity> recent releases have been using
CONFIG_EFIVAR_FS (/sys/firmware/efi/efivars) for a while now
1178 [07:07:31] <grawity> or, has Debian not picked it up yet
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1180 [07:07:41] <sewerinspector> grawity: is it really? huh
1181 [07:08:01] <sewerinspector> uhhh.... i was reading this.
replaced-url
1182 [07:08:03] <sewerinspector> :/
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1184 [07:08:43] <grawity> the raw-sysfs interface had several
problems, so recent kernels use a separate virtual filesystem
(efivarfs) to provide EFI variable access
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1189 [07:09:39] <sewerinspector> gotcha. so is would compiling the
kernel with CONFIG_EFI_VARS=y a mistake then?
1190 [07:09:45] <sewerinspector> be a*
1191 [07:09:48] <themill> ,kconfig EFIVAR_FS
1192 [07:09:49] <judd> Searching for 'EFIVAR_FS' in
jessie kernel config gives EFIVAR_FS=m.
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1194 [07:10:12] <sewerinspector> i'm running testing, for
whatever that's worth
1195 [07:10:19] <de-facto> sewerinspector i dont know exactly as
im still on bios here, but i remember using efibootmgr on some
ubuntu systems in the past, there it worked just fine
1196 [07:10:22] <themill> (same)
1197 [07:10:23] <nevyn> the efivars stuff is hillarious and has
resulted in bricking of systems
1198 [07:10:39] <grawity> e.g. Arch switched from building
Dell's unmaintained efibootmgr to vathpela's fork in 2013,
mainly for this change
1199 [07:10:55] <de-facto> yep on samsung notebooks one could
brick the mainboard by setting efi vars
1200 [07:11:05] <sewerinspector> jesus
1201 [07:11:13] <grawity> so since jessie has 0.11, I'm
pretty sure it uses EFIVAR_FS, not the old interface
1202 [07:11:14] <nevyn> rm -rf / was the culprit in some cases
1203 [07:11:18] <nevyn> Don't do that.
1204 [07:11:27] <sewerinspector> now i'm kinda hesitant to
even try to do this lol
1205 [07:11:33] <sewerinspector> nevyn: i heard about that, had a
laugh
1206 [07:11:38] <nevyn> because it traversed all the way into
efivars and removed all the initialised settings
1207 [07:11:44] <sewerinspector> that command is never a good idea
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1210 [07:12:33] <sewerinspector> am i risking bricking my machine
by doing this stuff? I just got this laptop :<
1211 [07:12:49] <grawity> depends on the vendor
1212 [07:12:54] <sewerinspector> it's a thinkpad T450
1213 [07:12:58] <de-facto> i guess if you dont do anything you
dont understand you should be fine though
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1215 [07:13:08] <grawity> but generally the Boot* variables
aren't very risky
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1217 [07:13:25] <grawity> I mean, they're supposed to be
changeable
1218 [07:13:36] <sewerinspector> de-facto: i'm uh, learning
as i go. so i can't say that I have an absolute understanding
of this
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1220 [07:13:46] <grawity> as long as you go through efibootmgr and
not hand-crafting stuff in there >_>
1221 [07:13:56] <grawity> the kernel itself validates their
contents, too.
1222 [07:14:00] <de-facto> on the samsung it was a bug in their
firmware and the thinkpads are pretty good supported by linux users
i guess
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1224 [07:14:19] <sewerinspector> grawity: yeah i'm not doing
anything manually with efibootmgr
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1228 [07:14:54] <sewerinspector> literally all i'm doing is
setting that CONFIG_EFI_VARS flag in the .config, unpacking the
module, and installing grub for efi
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1230 [07:15:08] <sewerinspector> and then hopefully i'll have
a uefi boot. that's the plan.
1231 [07:15:11] <grawity> oh you're back to that flag
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1233 [07:15:27] <grawity> are you sure you *need* it
1234 [07:15:36] <grawity> I mean, you're not doing this on
wheezy, are you
1235 [07:15:45] <sewerinspector> no i'm on testing
1236 [07:15:49] <grawity> so you don't need it
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1238 [07:15:53] <sewerinspector> ok.
1239 [07:16:08] <grawity> your efibootmgr will use
/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/ instead
1240 [07:16:10] <sewerinspector> it was set to =m before so i
guess i'll just reset it
1241 [07:16:23] <grawity> try using `efibootmgr -v` to take a look
at the current boot table
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1243 [07:17:31] <sewerinspector> linux-4.4.6 $ sudo efibootmgr -v
1244 [07:17:32] <sewerinspector> efibootmgr: EFI variables are not
supported on this system.
1245 [07:17:39] <sewerinspector> sigh
1246 [07:17:57] <grawity> hmm
1247 [07:18:03] <de-facto> but you did not boot in efi mode yet
did you?
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1249 [07:18:11] <grawity> yeah that's the most likely problem
1250 [07:18:18] <sewerinspector> de-facto: no. No UEFI boots thus
far.
1251 [07:18:26] <grawity> (you can do `sudo strace -e open
efibootmgr -v` to 100% confirm what it's trying to access,
though)
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1255 [07:20:21] <sewerinspector> hang on let me paste the output
of that
1256 [07:20:23] <de-facto> btw you can boot into a livecd for
testing this i guess... do the debain iso's support efi boots?
1257 [07:20:37] <sewerinspector>
replaced-url
1258 [07:20:37] <de-facto> *debian
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1260 [07:20:51] <sewerinspector> de-facto: no the live-cd's
do not support UEFI
1261 [07:20:59] <sewerinspector> that's a HUGE reason why
this is such an ordeal
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1263 [07:21:04] <jmcnaught> the installers do
1264 [07:21:09] <dixiannyshoepp> hi, click on them install them.
but it didnt worked completely web-less for me.
1265 [07:21:17] <dixiannyshoepp> sorry
1266 [07:21:26] <dixiannyshoepp> anyone knows how to update the
system using a folder? have a folder with updated packages. and
actualize the system with that folder.
1267 [07:21:28] <de-facto> there
"/sys/firmware/efi/vars/" (No such file or directory)
1268 [07:21:42] <sewerinspector> jmcnaught: is there a way to boot
up an installer and just install grub from there?
1269 [07:21:46] <grawity> oh well; efivars aren't absolutely
required to make it boot – EFI has a fallback method, the
\EFI\boot\bootx64.efi
1270 [07:22:08] <grawity> sewerinspector: hmm actually
1271 [07:22:13] <grawity> sewerinspector: strace -e file
efibootmgr -v
1272 [07:22:22] <grawity> sewerinspector: I forgot it checks
before trying to open >_>
1273 [07:22:32] <sewerinspector> lol
1274 [07:22:33] <jmcnaught> sewerinspector: the installer has a
rescue mode that can be used for installing grub
1275 [07:22:39] <sewerinspector> yeah let e get that paste for you
1276 [07:22:51] <sewerinspector>
replaced-url
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1279 [07:23:37] <de-facto> jmcnaught is that already chroot to the
current system or would he need to mount rebind, chroot,
grubinstall?
1280 [07:24:10] <sewerinspector> i'm thinking i'd have
to chroot into my laptop
1281 [07:24:13] <sewerinspector> and install grub from there
1282 [07:24:18] <sewerinspector> but idk for sure
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1284 [07:25:02] <sewerinspector> actually i might be able to
specify the disk to which grub installs in the grub-install command
itself
1285 [07:25:05] <sewerinspector> so maybe not
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1287 [07:26:03] <jmcnaught> !reinstall grub
1288 [07:26:03] <dpkg> See
replaced-url
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1291 [07:26:55] <sewerinspector> that looks like legacy grub
though
1292 [07:27:02] <jmcnaught> you'd also want to make sure that
the grub-efi-amd64 package is installed
1293 [07:27:08] <sewerinspector> I did see this
replaced-url
1294 [07:27:18] <de-facto> on an ms-dos partition i did reinstall
grub one like this from an rescue cd mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; sudo
mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev ; sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys ;
sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc ; sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash ;
grub-install --force /dev/sda ; exit ; reboot
1295 [07:27:59] <sewerinspector> that's a hell of a one-liner
1296 [07:28:10] <sewerinspector> >new bootloader, GO
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1299 [07:29:11] <de-facto> its not really a one liner i just
concaternated those, but basically you just need to boot in efi mode
and install grub for efi from it after chrooting to the installed
sys i guess
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1301 [07:29:30] <de-facto> but im not entirely sure on this since
i never did it on efi
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1303 [07:30:05] <jmcnaught> yeah me neither, i just installed with
UEFI in the first place
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1306 [07:30:29] <sewerinspector> maybe if the grub-install command
was like: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=$esp
--bootloader-id=grub /dev/sda
1307 [07:30:30] <sewerinspector> or something
1308 [07:30:46] <sewerinspector> where $esp would be /boot/efi in
my case
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1310 [07:30:54] <grawity> just `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi
--efi-directory=$esp` should be enough
1311 [07:31:00] <sewerinspector> yeah i tried that
1312 [07:31:05] <grawity> if you chroot, don't forget to
rbind /sys (not just bind)
1313 [07:31:06] <sewerinspector> that was my thought exactly
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1315 [07:31:17] <grawity> because you need to bind the efivarfs as
well >_>
1316 [07:31:24] <sewerinspector> what does bind and rbind to
exactly?
1317 [07:31:41] <grawity> 'bind' basically mounts the
same thing on two places
1318 [07:31:57] <grawity> 'rbind' does the same but also
includes filesystems below it
1319 [07:32:06] <sewerinspector> hmm ok
1320 [07:32:09] <grawity> so if you bind /sys to /mnt/sys, you now
have the same sysfs mounted there
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1322 [07:32:25] <sewerinspector> you know what
1323 [07:32:28] <grawity> and if you rbind /sys to /mnt/sys, you
now have /mnt/sys/firmware/efi/efivars too
1324 [07:32:37] <grawity> (that's "mount --rbind"
or "-o rbind")
1325 [07:32:43] <sewerinspector> i wonder if arch-chroot from an
arch live usb would work just as well
1326 [07:32:48] <grawity> yeah, it should
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1328 [07:33:01] <sewerinspector> there's an idea
1329 [07:33:09] <grawity> it mostly just does the same
bind-bind-chroot-cleanup thing
1330 [07:33:21] <sewerinspector> yeah that's what i was
thinking
1331 [07:33:47] <sewerinspector> lol if i did that i wonder if my
debian splashback for GRUB would still be there
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1333 [07:34:10] <grawity> anyway – if you can't get
efivars working, cp -a $esp/EFI/grub/grubx64.efi
$esp/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi >_>
1334 [07:34:31] <sewerinspector> oh what
1335 [07:34:34] <sewerinspector> lol
1336 [07:34:41] <sewerinspector> wait a sec that looks familiar
1337 [07:35:02] <sewerinspector>
replaced-url
1338 [07:35:07] <sewerinspector> i was reading this earlier too
1339 [07:35:11] <grawity> yeah it should be; many docs mention it
as a 'fallback' method
1340 [07:35:19] <sewerinspector> gotcha
1341 [07:35:41] <sewerinspector> so if i ran that cp command and
rebooted
1342 [07:35:46] <sewerinspector> it might actually work?
1343 [07:35:51] <grawity> it might
1344 [07:35:58] <sewerinspector> would I lose legacy bios boot
capability?
1345 [07:36:01] <grawity> no
1346 [07:36:02] <sewerinspector> ok
1347 [07:36:08] <sewerinspector> well then it's definitely
worth a shot
1348 [07:36:09] <grawity> (it might work, provided that the
firmware isn't doing backasswards things – I know nothing
about the quality of Thinkpads' EFI, but some firmwares are
good and some are bad)
1349 [07:36:19] <sewerinspector> word
1350 [07:36:21] <grawity> and if *that* doesn't work, you can
check if your boot menu has an "EFI shell"
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1352 [07:36:30] <grawity> and manually run grubx64.efi via the EFI
shell
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1354 [07:36:44] <grawity> there's a lot of ways to get this
stuff working
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1357 [07:36:58] <sewerinspector> gotcha. i half-assed a try at
that a few weeks ago
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1360 [07:37:43] <sewerinspector> cp: cannot create regular file
'/boot/efi/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi': No such file or
directory
1361 [07:37:52] <grawity> mkdir >_>
1362 [07:37:53] <sewerinspector> can i just make that file or
should it alrady be there?
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1364 [07:37:55] <sewerinspector> lol
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1367 [07:38:39] <sewerinspector> alright rebooting. i'll let
you know how it goes
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1370 [07:40:13] <slax0r> hi, I'm having trouble installing
skype on debian 8, when I try to install the x86 packages as per
replaced-url
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1375 [07:43:19] <sewerinspector> grawity: it worked
1376 [07:43:21] <sewerinspector> ~ $ [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ]
&& echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy
boot on HDD"
1377 [07:43:22] <sewerinspector> EFI boot on HDD
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1379 [07:44:02] <sewerinspector> :D thanks everyone!! Super
excited about this. one of my better experiences in a distro support
channel
1380 [07:44:09] <grawity> now do a grub-install again, to actually
set up that efivar
1381 [07:44:16] <sewerinspector> oh word, ok
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1385 [07:45:25] <sewerinspector> Installing for x86_64-efi
platform.
1386 [07:45:27] <sewerinspector> Installation finished. No error
reported.
1387 [07:45:29] <sewerinspector> Cool, looks good.
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'sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' is there a way to
revert it?
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revert it?
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1524 [09:02:30] <__marco> Hello
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1532 [09:04:11] <__marco> now that Debian has systemd, how is the
network configured at start up? I.e. what is the substitute of
/etc/init.d/networking?
1533 [09:04:28] <cafuego> /etc/init/networking ?
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1540 [09:06:21] <__marco> ?
1541 [09:06:42] <Ghostbird> Why does debian install a debian-spamd
user for spamassassin, but still run the daemon as root? When I try
to fix it in /etc/default/spamassassin, it seems to ignore that
file.
1542 [09:06:48] <__marco> I wasn't aware of the existance of
/etc/init
1543 [09:07:06] <__marco> what is it?
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1545 [09:07:29] <jmcnaught> __marco: /etc/init.d/networking still
gets uses, but systemd shows it as a service unit. "systemctl
status networking". You still configure networks in
/etc/network/interfaces
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1547 [09:08:42] <jmcnaught> __marco: even before systemd
restarting networking with "service networking restart"
(or calling the script directly) was not the right way, using ifup
and ifdown were/are what should be used
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1549 [09:10:56] <__marco> jmcnaught: sure. I am reading
/usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/README.Debian.gz and I wanted to be
sure that everything inside is still valid
1550 [09:11:00] <__marco> jmcnaught: thanks
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1552 [09:11:49] <jmcnaught> also i think /etc/init is for upstart
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1561 [09:15:08] <Vladimirski> When adding a new user in debian
where kerberos is used, what do I have to type in as password?
1562 [09:15:14] <Vladimirski> using adduser*
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1567 [09:19:19] <jelly> __marco: /etc/init/ is just for
installations which use upstart as /sbin/init
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1597 [09:39:42] <__marco> This explains why I never heard about it
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1634 [09:54:37] <onlnr> I'm looking for sha256 or some hash
of amd64 version of the live image
replaced-url
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1640 [09:56:06] <onlnr> oh, google helped me! got it
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1684 [10:17:16] <amitprakash> Hi, for /etc/default/someservice,
how do I pass evaluated commands as values to variables?
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1689 [10:18:06] <ansyeblya> hi, how to reply to a user in this irc
?
1690 [10:18:11] <ansyeblya> like @username
1691 [10:18:28] <amitprakash> for example I want to pass hostname
as node_name for elasticsearch, I'd have passed it to ExecStart
but it calls /usr/bin/elasticsearch directly, thus disallowing any
evaulation as var=$(hostname -s)
1692 [10:18:34] <ansyeblya> even google doesnt' know anything
about it
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1694 [10:18:44] <amitprakash> ansyeblya, just type in their name,
tab completion should allow you to complete the full name
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1697 [10:19:31] <ansyeblya> amitprakash, thanks
1698 [10:19:39] <ansyeblya> did you see it highlited like that ?
1699 [10:19:42] <amitprakash> yes
1700 [10:19:43] <ansyeblya> ok ty
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1704 [10:22:42] <cauliflower> Hi! How does a filter expression
that only views a traffic from one website look like in Wireshark?
1705 [10:23:08] <cauliflower> What is the expression?
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1716 [10:29:16] <onlnr> Is the live cd some kind of UEFI boot
version? I created the usb stick with 2 different software on
windows, but with neither it ignores it. On BIOS it as the first
option, and it is named as UEFI: kingston data traveller, while my
system is not uefi but mbr
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1722 [10:30:26] <onlnr> i wont boot to this usb stick but goes to
boot option #2
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1730 [10:33:24] <onlnr> lubuntu 15.10 live cd freezes on lxde when
I test it. Ubuntu 15.10 live cd works fine. Now I would want to test
debian with lxde, whether I have this problem aswell, but now I have
this problem I can't even test it. Not sure I want to blindly
install debian and see if there is the problem. Though I guess the
problem is fixable
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1740 [10:40:44] <jelly> onlnr: two things 1) the installer is
different from live image; it's possible live cd has some
issues with some bios/uefi firmwares 2) use a tool that overwrites
the whole usb stick including the partition, like win32diskimager;
avoid smarter tools like unetbootin
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1745 [10:43:20] <unborn> onlnr: lubuntu is not same as pure
debian..
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1747 [10:44:51] <onlnr> ok. The other tool I use is
win32diskimager, the other one is universal usb installer. I am
creating these usb sticks on uefi bootable windows 8.1, so not sure
if for that reason it creates some uefi bootable version of the
debian live cd if that is even possible
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1750 [10:45:44] <jelly> well clearly your firmware recognizes an
uefi image, so maybe you could enable uefi temporarily just to test
debian live
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1752 [10:47:23] <onlnr> oh. I didn't know I could do that (if
I understood what you meant) I already downloaded the installer
image though, and maybe I just install it blindly
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1754 [10:47:56] <onlnr> or see if it can recognize that on boot
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1756 [10:49:04] <jelly> onlnr: I'm assuming your machine has
both bios and uefi support, and that uefi is disabled somewhere in
firmware
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1768 [10:55:49] <onlnr> I booted to bios, and there is in advanced
- usb configuration - legacy support 'enabled', I could
try choose auto or disabled here
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1772 [11:00:23] <onlnr> I changed to disabled, but it booted to
windoze :/
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1798 [11:10:36] <onlnr> okay. The normal iso file (not live cd)
boots regardless of that USB legacy support being enabled/disabled.
Once it boots it says 'Debian gnu/linux UEFI installer
menu'. I'm scared of that word UEFI. This is not uefi
style pc afaik. Has windows 7 32-bit, although it has celeron N2815
processor, so I am installing amd64 version now
1799 [11:11:42] <onlnr> but all win7 32-bit is supposed to old mbr
style
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1803 [11:12:49] <onlnr> Am I good to go, and just ignore that UEFI
word in that title? This uefi/mbr/legacy/bios got me confused,
eventhough I have tried to read about it
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1832 [11:22:53] <jelly> onlnr: honestly no idea, but if the
installer booted, that means you do have support?
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1839 [11:24:38] <abd5932> Hi, I would like to limit the time my
kids spend with computer - how can I auto-logout them after certain
period of time (with a warning several minutes before, so that they
can save their stuff)? I'm on Debian Jessie with Gnome 3.14?
Thank you!
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1845 [11:27:26] <onlnr> jelly: yeah good point
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1853 [11:29:49] <spaxx> hey, what is the correct mirror for
squeeze backports? i'm using
replaced-url
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1858 [11:31:58] <m14ed> Is it possible to set up a Local Linux
server to which everyone can connect as Client and use the Software
without actually installing software themselves
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1877 [11:37:37] <ongolaBoy> spaxx: hi. I guess you know squeeze is
no longer maintained. If you want to continue to use these packets
you have to create a file such as
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50tmp-squeeze.conf and this
replaced-url
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1880 [11:38:24] <ongolaBoy> spaxx: and if you migrate to wheezy
you'll have to remove that file after the migration
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1893 [11:48:29] <onlnr> Which image file has rtl_nic/rtl....
wireless drivers? I need to load it from another media during
installation
1894 [11:48:40] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
1895 [11:48:41] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
1896 [11:49:17] <babilen> onlnr: You can use ^^ for installation
or grab
replaced-url
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1905 [11:52:26] <spaxx> ongolaBoy: thank you!
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1916 [11:59:27] <onlnr> thanks. I loaded those files to an usb
stick and inserted it but it wont recognize it in the installer. I
think I try rerun installer while having that usb stick plugged in
from the begin
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1918 [12:00:11] <hanshenrik_> some easy way to mount a sftp
server?
1919 [12:00:14] <hanshenrik_> sshfs?
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1921 [12:01:48] <zamuro> openssh-server
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1924 [12:01:57] <zamuro> That would do with sftp.
1925 [12:02:14] <zamuro> If you wanna use port 21, you just change
it in sshd_config
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1930 [12:04:25] <babilen> onlnr: What did you do exactly? From
what kind of medium are you installing?
1931 [12:04:50] <babilen> (and do you require wireless for the
installation?)
1932 [12:04:56] <onlnr> fat32 partitioned usb stick, it wont
recognize it
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1934 [12:05:20] <babilen> What medium are you installing from?
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1936 [12:05:23] <onlnr> well I don't have a wired connection,
so the next thing would be to set that up anyway
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1938 [12:05:29] <onlnr> usb stick
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1941 [12:05:46] <ex-parrot> today I decomissioned a Debian machine
which was purchased in 1999, ran Debian Potato on a 2.2.19 kernel,
and has been progressively upgraded all the way to wheezy
1942 [12:05:54] <ex-parrot> and run 24/7 for that whole time
1943 [12:06:08] <babilen> onlnr: Ah, that doesn't work (two
usbs) IIRC. In that case download the firmware image and install
from that.
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1947 [12:07:20] <onlnr> that would be on usb stick aswell?
1948 [12:07:40] <onlnr> So instead, I would put this on the 2nd
usb stick
replaced-url
1949 [12:08:26] <babilen> exactly
1950 [12:08:30] <babilen> That contains the firmware already
1951 [12:08:37] <rozie> ex-parrot: sad day. any photos?
1952 [12:08:53] <babilen> onlnr: It might still ask you to insert
it (not sure if they fixed that) at which point you just continue.
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1957 [12:09:18] <onlnr> ok
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1960 [12:09:45] <onlnr> do I install that iso image with win32disk
imager, like when I did with the bootable image
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1962 [12:09:48] <ex-parrot> rozie: I'll take one tomorrow :)
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2006 [12:22:54] <onlnr> anyone know why input from my keyboard is
really laggy and it wont take my keypresses often, or take them in
multiples. Having hard time writing wifi pw
2007 [12:22:58] <onlnr> on the debian installation
2008 [12:23:07] <onlnr> mouse also so. is my usb ports poor
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2011 [12:24:03] <onlnr> okay. it seemed to freeze on the password
input. Wont take any keys anymore
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2022 [12:27:59] <hanshenrik_> why doesn't apache or nginx use
/srv/ ?
2023 [12:28:04] <hanshenrik_> use /var/replaced-url
2024 [12:28:05] <onlnr> earlier it froze on keyboard select. Also
same lag on lubuntu and ubuntu installation process. Otherwise the
usb ports seem to work fine
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2027 [12:29:01] <hary_poter> tired of jews, lies, poverty and bad
sound? add me to qox. my id is
EEEDE72B6187425700FCA07D1B3FC2D49C6C5B6BDAEFA819D35976E8860B2E7DFDF6FC49EAF5
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2279 [13:34:38] <darsie> My automount rarely works. I usually have
to import photos by manually mounting my USB card reader as root,
move photos to /tmp and import them from there. How can I make
automount work?
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2289 [13:39:08] <darsie> Ok, I'll do it as root again ...
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2297 [13:43:00] <prillian5> in debian... if i type locale, I got
POSIX. Even if I do dpkg-reconfiguer locales, and set to utf8.
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2299 [13:43:09] <prillian5> Any Idea why reconfigure doesn't
take effect (its an openvz container)
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2316 [13:56:46] <onlnr> okay. So this time with debian
installation the screen didnt froze until I got to the point
'select and install software' it says 'running
dpkg' on screen, but this on graphical interface the mouse is
not moving and nor is that screen changing. So I havent installed
Grub or such yet, but the base is installed. Can I continue this
installation somehow, or what should I do?
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2318 [13:57:46] <babilen> You could switch to another tty and see
what happen(ed/s)
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2323 [13:58:23] <ts1k> hi all!
2324 [13:58:24] <babilen> ctrl-alt-f2 for example .. I
haven't used the graphical install at all and always use the
text expert one.
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2328 [13:59:26] <jelly> prillian5: if you changed the default
system locale you have to log off and back on to see changes
2329 [13:59:28] <ts1k> I need to connect from linux to a MS SQL
Server 2008, which package should I have to install?
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2331 [13:59:57] <jelly> ts1k: connect using which language?
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2333 [14:00:10] <jelly> ts1k: sqsh for command line
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2337 [14:01:18] <ts1k> jelly: I think SQL, I need to do some
querys
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2340 [14:01:43] <onlnr> cant switch tty. It seems this is another
problem/bug, and people have reported it here
replaced-url
2341 [14:01:44] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2343 [14:02:18] <ts1k> jelly: can I use another language other
than SQL???
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2347 [14:04:31] <babilen> onlnr: I would recommend to simply not
use the graphical installer
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2350 [14:05:22] <onlnr> I had more luck with the graphical
installer so far
2351 [14:05:37] <onlnr> the non-graphical installer is more laggy,
and it freezes the insteller earlier
2352 [14:05:39] <jelly> ts1k: not that I know of
2353 [14:06:15] <jelly> ts1k: I mean, lots of programming
languages have bindings so you can call sql from inside your apps
2354 [14:06:30] <onlnr> there is an option acpi=off that someone
has managed to fix his hang on this part of the installer, so I
might try that. Just getting a bit tired.. like 10th time next
2355 [14:06:34] <prillian5> jelly: I had log off and log in
2356 [14:06:46] <prillian5> I also restart the vm
2357 [14:06:48] <jelly> ts1k: the relevant library is called
"freetds"
2358 [14:07:31] <ts1k> jelly: ahh! I think I'm fine with sqsh
:)
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2401 [14:27:27] <jbenhaim> hello any user of arm and cubietruck
have make work dual screen with the mainline uboot and kernel on
jessie ?
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2404 [14:32:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys whats that command to fill
up memory?
2405 [14:32:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need to test my script :)
2406 [14:32:29] <petemc> iceweasel
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2408 [14:33:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> ....
2409 [14:33:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> no iceweasel on my server try again
2410 [14:34:14] <korhojoa> well, installing it should fill some
memory
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2423 [14:39:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> stress --vm-bytes $(awk
'/MemFree/{printf "%d\n", $2 * 0.9;}' <
/proc/meminfo)k --vm-keep -m 1
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2430 [14:41:18] <darsie> Eryn_1983_FL: fork bomb
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2436 [14:43:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> found it
2437 [14:43:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> thanks anyways,
2438 [14:43:38] <cygnusx1>
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2440 [14:44:18] <cygnusx1> fork bomb doesnt eat up ram so much as
cause conflict
2441 [14:44:42] <cygnusx1> and you cant see the output
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2449 [14:47:34] <WangDang> What do I need to install to be able to
lock my screen with a keyboard shortcut or a mouse click?
Xscreensaver and light-locker only seem to lock based on inactivity
timeouts. Vlock is only for the console. xtrlock doesn't
obscure the screen. i3lock works, but it doesn't have a nice
screen saver option. Any suggestion?
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2457 [14:49:39] <bollo> WangDang, slock
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2461 [14:51:47] <jelly> WangDang: which WM or DE are you using?
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2463 [14:52:35] <jelly> most have some sort of global shortcuts
and it shouldn't be too hard to bind "xscreensaver-command
-lock" to one
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2465 [14:53:18] <WangDang> jelly: I'm using xfce and whatever
wm is default for xfce
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2467 [14:54:53] <jelly> WangDang: open xfce4-settings-manager and
hunt for shortcuts, somewhere. I don't have it running right
now, just remember they were not in the obvious place
2468 [14:55:19] <r6ku> WangDang: Settings -> Keyboard ->
Application Shortcuts
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2471 [14:56:14] <WangDang> jelly: I don't see a
"--lock" option to xscreensaver in the man page
2472 [14:56:29] <WangDang> r6ku: thanks
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2474 [14:57:32] <jelly> WangDang: you're not looking at the
right man page, the command is literally called
"xscreensaver-command"
2475 [14:58:08] <jelly> WangDang: I see xfce has its own xflock4
command, too, don't remember what THAT does
2476 [14:58:35] <WangDang> Wow, that is rather literal as a name.
Found the option, thanks!
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2478 [14:59:13] <WangDang> Thanks, I'll look up xflock4 to
see it it's useful
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2480 [15:00:05] <WangDang> bollo: thanks for the lead
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2493 [15:04:58] <fred1807> is there a command line I can enter to
delet/reset any type of cache/memory related to mounted external
volumes?
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2516 [15:14:50] <jelly> fred1807:
replaced-url
2517 [15:15:09] <jelly> not "external" but everything
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2519 [15:16:06] <unwanted> easy to configure webmail server for
debian 7 any one can suggest ?
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2521 [15:18:09] <amcorreia> zimbra ?
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2527 [15:19:38] <balance> hi
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2550 [15:31:26] <jeremie__> Hi, i'm currently trying to
install a debian server, within a windows controlled domain, and
i'm trying to automatically create home directory for users
from ldap accessing the server,...
2551 [15:31:38] <jeremie__> Which is working almost fine !
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2563 [15:34:29] <jeremie__> But, and i dont understand why, i
don't see how i could give to new users connecting via ssh the
primary group that i want
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2581 [15:40:11] <ths> I got the debian-multimedia repo added. When
I try to install kde-plasma-desktop (or any package that installs
kde like task-kde-desktop) I get the following message (aptitude
install kde-plasma-desktop)
2582 [15:40:15] <ths> libchromaprint0 : Depends: libavcodec56
(>= 10:2.4) but 6:11.6-1~deb8u1 is installed.
2583 [15:40:18] <ths> Depends: libavutil54 (>= 10:2.4) but
6:11.6-1~deb8u1 is installed.
2584 [15:40:26] <ths> If I remove the debian-multimedia repo it
just works
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2586 [15:40:47] <ths> How should I go about installing kde without
removing the multimedia repo?
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2592 [15:42:30] <jelly> ths: remove dmm, install kde, add it back
if you really need it?
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2594 [15:42:54] <jeremie__> Hi people o/
2595 [15:43:14] <ths> jelly: not a possibility since I use an
automated setup routine
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2597 [15:43:55] <ths> I manage 50+ debian desktops and there
should be a possibility to cleanly install kde even with the
multimedia repo shouldn't there?
2598 [15:44:17] <jelly> ths: what do you need from dmm anyway?
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2600 [15:44:32] <jeremie__> I'm still trying to set groups
and primary group to users "coming" from ldap, does anyone
know how to do so please ?
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2602 [15:45:05] <jelly> ths: this is a dmm problem really, not
debian's, so maybe you can avoid it completely?
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2613 [15:49:02] <ths> jelly: so aptitude is not able to work
around a "defective" repository? oh and to the question
which package I need: I'm actually not quite sure since the
package list "naturally grew" and there were more people
than myself involved
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2617 [15:49:29] <ths> I could and shoule check thought
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2625 [15:51:05] <ths> *more people involved than just me
2626 [15:52:31] <ths> jelly: if you get any ideas how to solve the
problem without removing the repo that would be great and it would
be nice if you could hilight me. If you don't have any
that's not bad either, thank you anyway for your help. I think
I will check which packages really require the repo and maybe remove
it
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2632 [15:55:04] <WangDang> I've got screenlocking figured
out, but I have a question about xfce shortcuts now. The shortcut in
Settings->Keyboard->Shortcuts for locking screen is
"<Primary><Alt>Delete". By guessing I
discovered that <Primary> means the control key. I
couldn't find this documented anywhere I looked. Anyone know
where it's documented? 'cause there is another shortcut
listed as "<Super>p". I like to find out what the
<super> key is configured to. Thanks
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2642 [15:56:51] <ths> oh and jelly packages using dmm are for
instance acroread and yes our users still depend on it from time to
time
2643 [15:57:06] <slax0r> hello, I am running into an issue where a
font is rendered with excesive spacing between letter in xterm,
anyone had that before?
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2671 [16:05:20] <karlpinc> WangDang: Have you tried the "MS
Windows Key"?
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2683 [16:10:13] <WangDang> karlpinc: bull's eye! thanks
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2691 [16:12:18] <jonathan_xx> In a regular old fashion network
with a NAS (linux) as central server, what would be the best way to
create a form of DNS particularly for the Linux hosts? I mean
without manually having to put hosts in /etc/hosts everywhere.
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2696 [16:14:01] <jonathan_zz> I mean the moment I put something in
e.g. ~/.ssh/config, ssh-ing to some place becomes easy, but I mean
without going through all of that by default.
2697 [16:14:47] <RoyK> jonathan_zz: ansible, perhaps?
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2703 [16:19:04] <jonathan_zz> RoyK: seems way too complex, and I
cannot really understand it from the wikipedia article. It would
probably be much easier to have DNS on the NAS even. But isn't
WINS supposed to do something like this? I've never used it I
think.
2704 [16:19:28] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: dnsmasq
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2709 [16:21:08] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: WINS is specifically for
netbios names, not internet names.
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2711 [16:21:54] <jonathan_zz> DNSmasq seems perfect, I wonder if
the NAS is already using it.
2712 [16:22:09] <jonathan_zz> well it's there.
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2717 [16:24:10] <RoyK> jonathan_zz: complex?!? it's raelly
easy
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2720 [16:24:27] <RoyK> jonathan_zz: but if you just need dns,
setup dns
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2722 [16:25:12] <jonathan_zz> easy is not the same as simple. But
DNSmasq seems perfect. I only have to figure out how to use it
instead of the router.
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2725 [16:26:14] <jelly> ideally you'd put it _on_ the router
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2727 [16:26:40] <jonathan_zz> yeah but that's currently a
commercial appliance, not running any wrt or anything.
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2735 [16:29:12] <jelly> oh, then you just have to configure the
dhcp server to give your new dns server to the clients
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2737 [16:29:50] <jonathan_zz> yeah but I think I just have to turn
DHCP on the router off, let the NAS handle it, and just make sure it
gives out the correct router address.
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2739 [16:30:51] <jonathan_zz> it does mean all DNS queries might
go in 3 steps
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2741 [16:31:25] <jonathan_zz> or it could be configured to skip
the router as a DNS proxy.
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2743 [16:31:30] <jonathan_zz> thanks.
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2747 [16:31:55] <familybuilding> I've got two languages
installed, en and de, and I'm always using the mouse and pull
down menu to change between languages, (ALT 129 etc does not work),
looking for a shortcut key to change layout and switch from en to de
and de to en without always having to use the mouse. Any suggestion,
many thanks.
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2749 [16:32:27] <teraflops> jonathan_zz: dhcp + bind9 setting up
ddns.
2750 [16:32:38] <jhutchins> familybuilding: What desktop
environment?
2751 [16:32:43] <familybuilding> gnome
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2754 [16:32:47] <teraflops> Dhcp server*
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2757 [16:33:02] <jhutchins> teraflops: dnsmasq is really much more
suited to a small scale environment.
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2759 [16:33:37] <teraflops> jhutchins: ah sure. Im just fine with
isc dhcp and bind
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2766 [16:35:05] <familybuilding> a ubuntu manual mentions
'keyboard layout options', can't find that in
'Keyboard' Setups. Getting to 'Shortcuts' there,
'Typing' and then struggling to proceed.
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2769 [16:35:53] <andril> hello
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2792 [16:43:48] <jhutchins> teraflops: I run bind at home just
because it was all that was available when I set up the network.
It's not hard to get working, it is hard to get right. dnsmasq
can handle dynamic DHCP assignments better, and is easier to set up.
2793 [16:43:52] <karlpinc> familybuilding: It's going to
depend on the desktop you use.
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2797 [16:45:05] <karlpinc> jhutchins: Something about dnsmasq rubs
me the wrong way. YMMV obviously.
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2799 [16:45:10] <familybuilding> I work on gnome. Most likely
there is a hotkey or shortcut, but I don't know.
2800 [16:45:30] <karlpinc> familybuilding: You could ask #gnome if
nobody here knows. Or ask again later.
2801 [16:45:37] <familybuilding> Thank you.
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2803 [16:45:49] <karlpinc> familybuilding: Gnome seems to be all
about limiting your options....
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2810 [16:48:08] <jhutchins> karlpinc: I didn't like it when
dnsmasq was installed and enabled by default, but I think it's
a good solution. Especially if you have no need to learn how to
maintain bind.
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2812 [16:48:39] <karlpinc> jhutchins: There's also
nsd/unbound to consider.
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2819 [16:50:35] <nilekada> Hello. Got this error while trying to
install Amarok:
replaced-url
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2824 [16:51:49] <nilekada> Apt-updated, upgraded and dist-upgraded
and still the same error
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2829 [16:52:24] <markybob> nilekada: pastebin your sources.list
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2832 [16:52:35] <nobody44> hello. I just installed slapd and have
some issues with it: apparently it is not able to start, because it
tries to bind to port 389, which the user "openldap" is
not allowed to do. How do I fix this?
2833 [16:52:40] <some_noooob> I had my laptop set up with another
monitor, and now it's unplugged but the top bar is still messed
up. Any commands to reset that? Messed up meaning it's not
showing the time all the way to the right like it usually does.
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2835 [16:52:58] <markybob> nilekada: i'm guessing it's
stretch. it's not in stretch at the moment. and you're in
the wrong place if it is
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2840 [16:53:46] <ths> jelly: and everyone who cares simple app
pinning seems to solve the problem. curious is that it seems to work
regardsless of pin priority :/
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2844 [16:54:25] <some_noooob> Nevermind, I figured it out.
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2847 [16:54:30] <nilekada> markybob,
replaced-url
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2850 [16:54:51] <nilekada> markybob, yes I'm using testing
2851 [16:55:09] <markybob> nilekada: testing support is in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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2856 [16:56:02] <nilekada> markybob, I half-feared that would be
the result. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't a testing issue.
2857 [16:56:09] <nilekada> Thanks
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2875 [17:01:32] <ShalokShalom> iceweasel 38 have all the security
issues solved from the further versions?
2876 [17:01:35] <ShalokShalom> all backported?
2877 [17:01:45] <ShalokShalom> or is that a 45 with another
version numbering
2878 [17:01:46] <ShalokShalom> wheezy
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2883 [17:03:56] <jelly> ShalokShalom: 38esr series has all the
security issues fixed, yes
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2886 [17:05:21] <jelly> ,v iceweasel
2887 [17:05:22] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze:
3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports:
10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1;
wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie:
38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2; wheezy-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb7u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 44.0.2-1; experimental: 45.0~b5-1;
2888 [17:05:23] <judd> stretch: 45.0.1esr-1; sid: 45.0.1esr-1
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2890 [17:05:55] <jelly> ShalokShalom: however it looks wheezy
doesn't even have the latest 38.7.1esr
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2892 [17:06:02] <ShalokShalom> -.-
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2894 [17:06:05] <ShalokShalom> wow, really?
2895 [17:06:13] <ShalokShalom> that is a huge security issue?
2896 [17:06:20] <ShalokShalom> its the default browser
2897 [17:06:33] <ShalokShalom> ah, ok
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2900 [17:06:34] <jelly> oh, it does, I'm just not reading the
right thing. wheezy-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb7u1
2901 [17:06:45] <ShalokShalom> see your comment about the
backports right know
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2905 [17:06:59] <ShalokShalom> so, just the features are not
available in wheezy
2906 [17:07:05] <ShalokShalom> from 39 and greater
2907 [17:07:07] <ShalokShalom> fine, thanks
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2910 [17:07:13] <jelly> correct
2911 [17:07:26] <jelly> ESR is going to switch to 45esr soonish
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2915 [17:08:06] <jelly> !iceweasel esr
2916 [17:08:07] <dpkg> Iceweasel Extended Support Release, see
replaced-url
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2918 [17:08:29] <thms> My sources.list is fine (default, just
changed all from squeeze to wheeze before upgrade). Yet, with
aptitude (and not with apt-get), I get errors like " WARNING:
untrusted versions of the following packages will be
installed!" and I have to type "yes" and it is
*annoying*
2919 [17:08:36] <thms> can anyone help me debug this ?
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2925 [17:09:44] <jelly> thms: if you're doing a release
upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, read the wheezy release notes
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2927 [17:09:57] <thms> erm, seems to go and come back. It's
gone after an aptitude update..
2928 [17:10:09] <thms> jelly, that update has been done for long.
2929 [17:10:13] <thms> Well for a few days
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2934 [17:11:08] <jelly> thms: hm. Perhaps install
debian-archive-keyring, first
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2938 [17:11:34] <thms> jelly, will look into that if the problems
comes back
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2941 [17:11:38] <thms> thanks :)
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2943 [17:11:44] <jelly> thms: I bet that step is in the release
notes, too!
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2946 [17:12:04] <jelly> !wheezy release notes
2947 [17:12:05] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 7
"Wheezy" are at
replaced-url
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2950 [17:12:35] <thms> Thanks. Will take a look at it. I
didn't do this one upgrade but I'll make sure to follow
this guide when I do the next ones
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2952 [17:12:48] <thms> !squeeze->wheezy
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2954 [17:13:01] <jelly> dpkg, tell thms about squeeze->wheezy
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2990 [17:25:48] <awal1> _crazy_girl, please no PM's. If you
need some help ask in room
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2995 [17:27:19] <CapsAdmin> _crazy_girl, is a bot
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2998 [17:27:44] <patterson> Some of my best friends are bots
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3000 [17:28:01] <awal1> channel bot or a troll?
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3002 [17:28:03] <awal1> :D
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3004 [17:28:25] <CapsAdmin> just keeps repeating the same lines
over and over
3005 [17:28:35] <patterson> Me too!
3006 [17:28:48] <patterson> Are we there yet? Is this the year of
desktop Linux?
3007 [17:29:15] <CapsAdmin> patterson, "Some of my best
friends are bots" that's from an actual bot, right?
3008 [17:29:16] <CapsAdmin> which one?
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3012 [17:30:32] <patterson> Writing a bot is harder than it looks
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3091 [17:51:55] <alive> T3ZlckNvZGVy: nice password.
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3096 [17:53:45] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> alive, nah
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3098 [17:53:55] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> alive, try and decode that
3099 [17:54:02] <VeggieMeat> hunter2
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3102 [17:54:18] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> It won't be hard, some
well-known/used algorithm
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3107 [17:55:56] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> (btw it's base64 :P)
3108 [17:56:30] <alive> Nice one
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3111 [17:57:57] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> Thanks :*
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3113 [17:57:59] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> ＼(*¯∇¯)ノ ☆
ＦＡＢＵＬＯＵＳ～
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3118 [17:58:57] <jonathan_xx> jhutchins: it works :) well mostly.
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3123 [17:59:59] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: it resolves addresses
across the network even without /etc/hosts entries, simply based on
the DHCP hostname a host gives.
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3125 [18:00:44] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: it automatically resolves
"host" as well as "host.localnet"
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3136 [18:03:10] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: only my router started
bugging and lost its internet connection, probably due to the DHCP
on the local network, but not sure.
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3292 [18:59:04] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: If dnsmasq is now acting
as DHCP, make sure it's configured with the correct address for
the router, make sure the router's address is configured as
static and not overwritten by dnsmasq.
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3295 [18:59:23] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: Make sure there's
only one DHCP server.
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3297 [18:59:37] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: all taken care of
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3300 [19:00:11] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: Good, good.
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3303 [19:01:11] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: at first I had not
realized it would use resolve.conf for itself to know what DNS to
use, so I had to configure the router address int the config file
because the host itself also needs to use dnsmasq.
3304 [19:01:40] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: otherwise everything had
access to it except the host :p.
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3307 [19:02:09] <zykotick9> s/resolve.conf/resolv.conf/ the e is
M.I.A. ;)
3308 [19:02:32] <jonathan_zz> lol I was doubting myself when I
wrote resolv :p
3309 [19:02:37] * medfly gets ticked off about not escaping . for some
reason
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3311 [19:02:45] <jonathan_zz> what is MIA?
3312 [19:02:55] <zykotick9> jonathan_zz: Missing In Action...
3313 [19:03:16] <zykotick9> johnny__: it is/was an army thing?!?!
3314 [19:03:17] <medfly> I am having trouble installing Debian 8.3
on my machine. I think it may be because of some raid thing in my
hardware. it hangs when making a new filesystem
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3316 [19:03:29] <jonathan_zz> lol I don't "type"
resolv.conf, I type res<TAB>!!!!!
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3324 [19:05:08] <medfly> I've simply put in an empty-ish SATA
disk and connected it instead of my previous one . any way to make
it not-fail? I don't know mcuh about RAID
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3328 [19:05:46] <jonathan_zz> anyway it took me 90 minutes to get
everything perfect mostly because I was trying to change my local
hostname and not realizing I needed to restart NM
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3332 [19:06:18] <jonathan_zz> and when I first attempted it
suddenly my DNS stopped working not because of the dnsmasq, but
because the router internet had died :P.
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3334 [19:06:45] <jonathan_zz> complete boggle at that point.
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3336 [19:07:01] <jonathan_zz> although I did cheat a bit by
downloading the NAS package for it :p.
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3345 [19:08:06] <jonathan_zz> and of course NM completely disrupts
manual attempts at using ifup/ifdown.
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3351 [19:08:44] <jonathan_zz> "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.5;
ifup eth0; ssh ....." ---> 20 seconds later, connection
gone, IP address gone, interface unconfigured.
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3361 [19:09:54] <jonathan_zz> I must have spent 20 minutes
fighting NM.
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3367 [19:10:29] <zykotick9> jonathan_zz: <note> if you setup
/etc/networks/interfaces for the device, it will disable N-M for
that device...
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3369 [19:11:07] <jonathan_zz> not for OpenSUSE :P.
3370 [19:11:09] <jonathan_zz> just kidding lol.
3371 [19:11:41] * zykotick9 checks channel... yup still #debian
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3375 [19:12:08] <jonathan_zz> I guess I like the system tray icon.
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3383 [19:13:56] <jonathan_zz> and GUI notifications. I just wish
NM was designed to honour user choices, instead of messing with it.
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3389 [19:15:25] <jonathan_zz> and its command line interface is a
pain. Plasma had crashed so the icon was gone. It took me at least
2-3 minutes to get a clue on how to down/up the interface, or to
figure out its syntax (once more) but by that time plasmashell had
recovered.
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3431 [19:30:28] <rpgdude> hey everyone, I am using the Debian OS
as a platform for my research project. What is the correct way to
cite the project in my research paper?
3432 [19:31:20] <medfly> rpgdude: I recall this reddit post
replaced-url
3433 [19:31:21] <nkuttler> rpgdude: depends on what you are
citing, and on the rules that exist wherever you do your research..
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3435 [19:32:05] <medfly> I bet random usenix papers have examples
you can use
3436 [19:32:08] <medfly> if in doubt
3437 [19:32:15] <RoyK> rpgdude: out of interest, what's your
research about?
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3440 [19:32:56] <rpgdude> neural networks
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3442 [19:33:20] <bin_bash> liks tar trek
3443 [19:33:22] <bin_bash> star
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3456 [19:37:23] <jim> tar trek...
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3459 [19:38:28] <jim> I'm trying to get my lmsensors
working... do I need kernel modules for that?
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3465 [19:39:40] <rpgdude> the research is basically to perform
neural network model selection for predicting stock market prices
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3468 [19:40:11] <Scuttle> anyone familiar wish SSH CA certs and
lokking in?
3469 [19:40:39] <Scuttle> I have the ca cert created, but what do
I use on the client when connecting? I have signed the users public
key with the CA
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3492 [19:44:59] <rpgdude> maybe I should cite this:
replaced-url
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3494 [19:45:14] <rpgdude> since it's written in book form
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3536 [19:57:02] <jthomas> Hello, we have a W3C Validator set up
locally on a Deb8 machine. We can't seem to upload files, we
get 'IO Error - Missing scheme' — can anyone help me
to figure out why?
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3538 [19:58:24] <jhutchins> rpgdude: It depends on the citation
standards for your project. I would probably reference The Debian
Project at
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3554 [20:02:59] <c0fe_machine> would installing SELinux on Debian
8 Jessie be something not recommended/experimental?
3555 [20:03:16] <c0fe_machine> Should rephrease that
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3557 [20:03:26] <c0fe_machine> Is SELinux on Debian 8 stable?
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3592 [20:14:15] <jthomas> Deb8 is stable, SE should be also, but
it's a headache if you don't know it well. I don't
know it well and can't say much more than that!
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3600 [20:17:30] <micw> hi
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3605 [20:18:22] <micw> if i do unatteneded installs, how can I
pass the mysql administrative password to apt (it's asked in
interactive mode e.g. when installing roundcube). i think it's
part of dbconfig-common
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3636 [20:31:36] <hexnewbie> How do you search packages.debian.org
by tag? Clicking on a tag on a package page takes me to a listing of
tags (WTF?)
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3649 [20:34:47] <distortedvoice> I switched from my discrete
NVS5400 to integrated(intel) on my laptop docky does this odd thing
on autohide where it creates a black bar(that covers everything)
until it is unhidden. I have tried xfm conpositing and xcompmgr. No
effect.)
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3654 [20:35:36] <jmcnaught> hexnewbie: i don't know, but i
use "aptitude search ~G" to search with tags. put the tag
name after the ~G.
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3658 [20:37:07] <hexnewbie> jmcnaught: Thank you. :)
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3691 [20:46:02] <CosmicRay> Is there a replacement for the taskbar
update-notifier in jessie? Rather missing it.
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3708 [20:54:08] <markybob> CosmicRay: think you mean
gnome-packagekit
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3714 [21:02:12] <littlebear> Scuttle, send the root CA certificate
to the client, usually don't need to do this
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3729 [21:06:27] <riku1> not sure if this is a debian problem or a
problem with my disk, but I cannot shrink my NTFS partition in
gparted
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3732 [21:06:43] <riku1> it says unable to read contents of file
system
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3736 [21:07:36] <riku1> I have absolutely no problems mounting it
and reading/writing as well as booting the Windows on it, but as
soon as I unmount it I suddenly can't read the filesystem info
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3738 [21:07:49] <riku1> the same thing happens with a gparted live
image
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3740 [21:08:24] <joobus> Is iceweasel being deprecated? I did an
apt-get dist-upgrade on testing last night and it wanted to install
firefox-esr.
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3742 [21:08:35] <markybob> joobus: yes
3743 [21:08:48] <riku1> isn't iceweasel just rebranded
firefox anyway?
3744 [21:08:55] <markybob> yes
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3746 [21:09:23] <joobus> ok then.
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3748 [21:09:45] <FoxMulder> Hey guys
3749 [21:09:47] <riku1> hmm also I can't shrink my partition
under Windows because all the software I tried says it's too
fragmented
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3753 [21:10:14] <riku1> but it's a SSD so I should be able to
shrink it anyway
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3760 [21:10:54] <riku1> the only place I was able to properly
shrink the volume was the debian installer
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3762 [21:11:04] <riku1> should I make an install disk and try
that?
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3769 [21:13:44] <henryk> if even windows can't handle it
maybe it's a good idea to copy the data over and repartition
the whole drive.
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3789 [21:18:45] <riku1> henryk: this is the same disk I have
Debian on
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3791 [21:19:22] <henryk> *deleting the ntfs partition and creating
a new one
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3793 [21:20:06] <DonAlex> Uggg.. Started getting The repository is
insufficiently signed by key .. (weak digest)
3794 [21:20:12] <RoyK> henryk: another ntfs partition?!?
3795 [21:20:14] <DonAlex> how do I fix this?
3796 [21:20:40] <DonAlex> seems from opensuse build service..
3797 [21:21:18] <henryk> RoyK, u wot m8?
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3799 [21:21:31] <riku1> my disk is MBR, partitions are Windows
Bootloader | Windows 10 | Debian | Swap
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3802 [21:22:16] <RoyK> henryk: noone sane would use ntfs on linux
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3804 [21:22:38] <riku1> RoyK: sadly you cannot install Windows 10
to Ext4
3805 [21:22:38] <jhutchins> RoyK: There are LOTS of reasons to use
it.
3806 [21:22:44] <henryk> RoyK great contribution.
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3808 [21:22:58] <riku1> you clearly missed the part where the NTFS
partition has Windows 10 on it
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3810 [21:23:13] <jhutchins> RoyK: Even more reasons in real world
enterprise environments.
3811 [21:23:47] <jhutchins> Doesn't Windows 10 have a new,
incompatible version of NTFS?
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3813 [21:23:53] <riku1> no
3814 [21:24:11] <riku1> besides I have 0 issues mounting it
3815 [21:24:14] <jhutchins> I believe you have to resize the disk
from Windows 'cause the linux tools can't.
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3818 [21:24:35] <jhutchins> That might only apply to new installs,
not upgrades.
3819 [21:24:37] <riku1> how come the debian installer could resize
it?
3820 [21:24:37] <RoyK> well, don't use NTFS on Linux, use
some linux FS. then create a separate system of sorts to store your
data, using SMB or NFS or something
3821 [21:24:55] <RoyK> don't mix OS specific filesystems
across OSes
3822 [21:25:01] <henryk> RoyK, read again.
3823 [21:25:04] <riku1> I am not installing Windows 10 on Ext4
3824 [21:25:08] <tulphoon> Where are the informations about
partitions and their specification saved? I mean in which file.
3825 [21:25:08] <riku1> BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
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3828 [21:25:38] <RoyK> riku1: just use another machine for the
data, ok?
3829 [21:25:47] <markybob> RoyK: stop
3830 [21:26:00] <riku1> I am talking about the BOOT SSD in my
LAPTOP
3831 [21:26:09] <riku1> I have WINDOWS 10 AND DEBIAN installed
3832 [21:26:18] <RoyK> then perhaps FAT?
3833 [21:26:31] <markybob> riku1: just set him on /ignore
3834 [21:26:37] <markybob> RoyK: seriously, stop
3835 [21:26:38] <riku1> you can boot Windows 10 from ONE filesytem
and IT IS NTFS
3836 [21:27:17] <henryk> riku1, maybe the windows guys can help
you more. ntfs support on linux is not the best thing ever and if
even windows has problems resizing it then maybe there is some
bigger problem.
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3840 [21:27:53] <henryk> riku1, i'm sure windows has tools to
check.
3841 [21:27:54] <jhutchins> riku1: Ok, new info. Thanks.
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3845 [21:28:23] <jmcnaught> riku1: and of course, make sure you
have backed everything up before trying to resize :)
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3851 [21:29:00] <riku1> I ran chkdsk on windows and it found no
problems
3852 [21:29:04] <riku1> hmm
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3857 [21:30:49] <jhutchins> riku1: I'm still seeing lots of
stuff that says you have to use the Windows disk manager to resize a
Windows 10 partition.
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3864 [21:32:09] <riku1> I'm going to make a debian install
disk and try to shrink it with that since it worked last time
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3867 [21:33:37] <TomTomTosch> or, ask people who know what they
are talking about, like ##windows :P
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3872 [21:36:44] <jhutchins> riku1: Or you could just boot to W10
and use the disk manager.
3873 [21:36:53] <jhutchins> riku1: Probably save a lot of time.
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3875 [21:37:05] <TomTomTosch> jhutchins, he said he did and it
didn't work...
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3877 [21:37:48] <jhutchins> It may be that the partition is
fragmented and doesn't have any free space at the end.
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3886 [21:42:49] <riku1> jhutchins: the Windows disk manager
doesn't let you shrink the system partition
3887 [21:43:00] <riku1> also it's a SSD so fragmentation is
irrelevant
3888 [21:43:29] <tharkun> riku1: no, fragmentation is never
irrelevant when dealing with Windows.
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3891 [21:44:12] <riku1> I've been told to never defragment a
SSD
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3895 [21:44:47] <riku1> the data isn't arranged in a linear
fashion like a hard disk
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3897 [21:44:58] <tharkun> The isue with defragmenting an ssd is
that you get to write a lot of times on it reducing the expected
lifespan of the device.
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3916 [21:48:59] <jhutchins> riku1: Please see the link I posted
above.
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3920 [21:49:35] <orangey> Hello all!
3921 [21:49:49] <orangey> I am trying to migrate from i386 to
amd64
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3924 [21:50:03] <orangey> and one of the steps to replace
dpkg:i386 to dpkg:amd64 failed, leaving me without dpkg
3925 [21:50:08] <orangey> how can I install it manually?
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3930 [21:50:58] <orangey> is a .deb file a tgz?
3931 [21:51:09] <tjcarter> orangey: no
3932 [21:51:29] <orangey> tjcarter: thoughts? I gather all I need
is the dpkg bin right now? The deb is installed already
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3935 [21:52:20] <jmcnaught> orangey: hello :) so you do have a
/usr/bin/dpkg right now but it's the wrong arch?
3936 [21:52:29] <orangey> jmcnaught!!!
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3939 [21:52:53] <tjcarter> orangey: ar t <file.deb>
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3945 [21:53:20] <orangey> jmcnaught: no. I guess it uninstalled
the old package rather than try to overwrite with the new.
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3948 [21:53:57] <tjcarter> orangey: but dpkg-deb is the accepted
way to unpack it.
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3953 [21:55:13] <DammitJim> I have samba mounts specified in my
fstab
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3956 [21:55:34] <DammitJim> is there a way to get the to
automatically get remounted if they didn't come on upon boot?
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3958 [21:55:36] <orangey> tjcarter: OK, looks like I should make
some headway with this.
3959 [21:55:56] <DammitJim> I have a cron job that copies some
stuff and it was failing because the mount wasn't there
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3965 [21:59:16] <orangey> hmm. now searching for
'start-stop-daemon'.
3966 [22:00:15] <jmcnaught> orangey: that's part of the dpkg
package, it lives in /sbin
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3968 [22:00:59] <orangey> jmcnaught: aha! found it.
3969 [22:01:00] <orangey> Thank you.
3970 [22:01:02] <orangey> aaand back on track.
3971 [22:01:03] <orangey> : )
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3976 [22:02:38] <jhutchins> I thought the recommended method was a
clean install.
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3980 [22:03:07] <Ergo> !backports
3981 [22:03:07] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
replaced-url
3982 [22:03:14] <Ergo> simple sid backport
3983 [22:03:17] <Ergo> !simple sid backport
3984 [22:03:18] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
3985 [22:03:39] <jmcnaught> Ergo: you can "/msg dpkg" to
talk to the bot privately :)
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3987 [22:03:49] <Ergo> right, i always forget that :P
3988 [22:03:50] <Ergo> sorry
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3991 [22:04:14] <BinBasher> since ##networking isn't
answering any questions and chatting about beer, does anyone know
where I can get an A1, O1 or EU proxy or set one up? Is there one
publicly available?
3992 [22:04:46] <alive> Sounds like i need to be in ##networking
3993 [22:05:23] <alive> BinBasher: Any specific reason you want a
proxy and not just use a VPN tunnel service?
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3996 [22:06:00] <BinBasher> alive no, VPN would be fine too.
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3998 [22:06:24] <BinBasher> alive: just trying to find one with
those country codes
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4000 [22:07:09] <alive> I don't know what A1 or O1 are, but
in Sweden there's iPredator.
4001 [22:07:29] <alive> It's run by the TPB guys
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4004 [22:08:36] <alive> I've also seen ads for TunnelBear on
youtube videos. Supposedly they have a lot of locations
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4006 [22:09:53] <BinBasher> alive: those are country codes for the
server to see where it's from
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4008 [22:10:18] <BinBasher> A1 is anonymous proxy, O1 is other
country, EU is European Union
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4010 [22:10:56] <BinBasher> it's about making my connection
appear as one of those 3
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4028 [22:16:36] <Pr0metheus> i'd like to keep a full backup
of my system, i installed deja-dup, if i backup / will i be able to
restore this backup in case of failure and have a system up and
running?
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4032 [22:18:09] <BinBasher> if you chroot into it in another
system yes
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4035 [22:19:00] <jmcnaught> Pr0metheus: there are some things like
/sys, /dev, and /proc that you'll want to exclude for sure.
Also if you're backing up a database you should probably do a
dump of the database to a text file first (for example mysqldump)
because the database's state files might be inconsistent.
4036 [22:19:02] <jonathan_zz> *linux bootloader installation
pains*.
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4040 [22:19:52] <markybob> Pr0metheus: you should really only
rsync what you need. /etc /home and databases/web. that's it.
leave the rest.
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4045 [22:20:51] <jmcnaught> Pr0metheus: knowing what to backup is
discussed here:
replaced-url
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4096 [22:38:05] <alesan> hello
4097 [22:38:22] <alesan> is there a script that is executed when
ethernet link has been detected?
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4109 [22:42:13] <Slimmy> Hey guys. So I'm trying to install
the NVIDIA drivers for my gpu.I terminated x session and ran the
.run file. During the procedure (which failed) my resolution fell a
lot. How can I increase it? 1920 x 1080 isn't even an option
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4114 [22:44:44] <zykotick9> ^ just my opinion, but after
you've used the foo.run file from nivida.com = reinstall to get
rid of it
4115 [22:45:09] <Slimmy> zykotick9: I think it's the smartest
idea but there are some issues.
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4117 [22:45:34] <Slimmy> Let me come online through my android so
i wont disconnect while killing x session
4118 [22:45:39] <Slimmy> be right back
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4122 [22:46:15] <zykotick9> Slimmy: seriously, i don't mean
to be rude, but _in my opinion_ your install is hopelessly broken
now. and i wouldn't touch it with a 30 foot pole. best of luck
though.
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4125 [22:47:05] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: they're gone, but from
what i recall the Debian nvidia packages have an nvidia cleanup
script that tries to undo the damage done by that installer script
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4127 [22:47:16] <markybob> !remove nvidia
4128 [22:47:16] <dpkg> [remove nvidia-installer] as root type
"/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall". Debian's
nvidia-installer-cleanup package can also assist, ask me about
<contrib>.
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4131 [22:47:52] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: that might be correct! i
really wouldn't know. but anyone doing this "sort" of
thing, should consult <dontbreakdebian> IMO...
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4133 [22:48:06] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: indeed
4134 [22:48:15] <markybob> it was a dumb move, to be sure
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4138 [22:49:19] <jmcnaught> Slimmy: welcome back. the nvidia
installer scripts are not recommended on Debian. Debian provides
nvidia packages that are better integrated and won't break
things. Please refer to
replaced-url
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4140 [22:49:43] <Slimmy> While installing the gpu drivers i get
"The compiler used to compilr the kernel (gcc 4.8) does not
exactly match the curreny compiler (gcc 4.9)
4141 [22:49:45] <Slimmy> "
4142 [22:49:53] <markybob> !tell Slimmy about remove nvidia
4143 [22:49:57] <DammitJim> _netdev on fstab will only reconnect
if the server where fstab is has a network issue
4144 [22:50:07] <Slimmy> jmcnaught: oh! Thanks so match
4145 [22:50:10] <Slimmy> Much*
4146 [22:50:22] <markybob> Slimmy: remove your nvidia install
first
4147 [22:50:59] <Slimmy> Alright
4148 [22:51:23] <mdim> hi folks
4149 [22:51:54] <mdim> can someone give me a pointer on how to set
up a local Debian archive of e.g. Debian Stretch? I need to do some
package processing so it'd be handy to have a local copy'
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4154 [22:53:02] <markybob> mdim:
replaced-url
4155 [22:53:07] <Slimmy> markybob: theres no such thing under
/usr/bin. I got no such file or dir error
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4158 [22:53:37] <markybob> Slimmy: well then god bless. stuff like
this is why their script isn't supported :/
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4161 [22:54:37] <Slimmy> markybob: oh... Cant I try the non-script
way? The one jmcnaught suggested
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4165 [22:55:51] <markybob> Slimmy: got nothing to lose
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4168 [22:56:27] <Slimmy> markybob: good point
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4191 [23:02:02] <Slimmy> Would nvidia-kernel-dkms be good?
4192 [23:02:04] <asarch> How do you fix "VFS: busy inodes on
changed media or resized disk sr0" on x86?
4193 [23:02:30] <asarch> I already comment out the /dev/sr0 line
in /etc/fstab, rebooted and the problem persists
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4195 [23:02:36] <BinBasher> Slimmy: do you have optimus
technology?
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4197 [23:02:55] <asarch> Is this a VFS or a HAL or a kernel
problem?
4198 [23:03:43] <Slimmy> I have a geforce gt 630 and was having
trouble installing using the .run file. I installed this package.
Was it a good idea?
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4201 [23:04:09] <Slimmy> Plus, it said during installation i have
to manually configure it. How can I do that?
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4204 [23:04:27] <BinBasher> Slimmy: but do you have 2 graphics
cards? like intel and nvidia? Do you have optimus?
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4206 [23:04:53] <jmcnaught> Slimmy:
replaced-url
4207 [23:05:31] <Slimmy> jmcnaught: how can I know whether or not
I have optimus technology
4208 [23:05:33] <BinBasher> I have optimus, I have nvidia running
without a problem
4209 [23:05:34] <markybob> !tell Slimmy about bumblebee
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4225 [23:10:32] <Slimmy> I got two lines of output with the
command dpkg told me. But my resolution is kinda messed up. Is there
any other hint that would tell me whether or not i have optimus
technology
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4229 [23:11:22] <jmcnaught> Slimmy: if you put your commands and
output on
replaced-url
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4248 [23:16:18] <Slimmy>
replaced-url
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4257 [23:18:15] <RoyK> Slimmy: better use
replaced-url
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4262 [23:20:04] <Slimmy> Its longer than 80 characters
4263 [23:20:28] <jmcnaught> Slimmy: if there wasn't also
another line about an Intel VGA, then you don't have Optimus
4264 [23:20:57] <Slimmy> jmcnaught: alright! Thanks
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4271 [23:24:11] <BinBasher> Slimmy: you can use | pastebinit after
a command to automatically upload it to paste.debian.net as output
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4273 [23:24:27] <BinBasher> you can install it with aptitude
install pastebinit
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4275 [23:25:37] <Slimmy> Oh thanks binbasher!
4276 [23:25:47] <BinBasher> np, the more you know
4277 [23:25:51] <Slimmy> As for my problem thank you all! I'm
grateful
4278 [23:26:06] <Slimmy> My PC is okay now!
4279 [23:26:15] <BinBasher> Slimmy: are you running nvidia?
4280 [23:26:36] <Slimmy> Yes
4281 [23:26:50] <BinBasher> great! have fun with the improvement
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4287 [23:28:22] <Slimmy> Thanks so much! Even though you know,
when I got to the drivers and couldlnt update i felt offended i
didnt know how to fix it. I eventually solved it thanks to the help
i got
4288 [23:29:14] <BinBasher> Slimmy: we've all been there
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4291 [23:29:57] <Slimmy> Binbasher: aint that the truth
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