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0[00:00:15] <jhutchins> Things to try: swap mice instead of adding new. Boot with new mouse. Any other suggestions?
1[00:00:38] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: anything interesting in dmesg? are you using a USB hub?
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9[00:04:33] <jhutchins> No and no.
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12[00:04:41] <jhutchins> lsusb still sees it.
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20[00:05:22] <jhutchins> Guess I'll head back over there and try to think of something.
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23[00:05:35] <jhutchins> The printer has been dropping off-line for a while, that gets logged.
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102[00:43:35] <alreece45> I'm trying to set PYTHONPATH, but it seems like Debian's /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages always gets added before the paths listed in PYTHONPATH. Is there a debian-way to add my own (user specific) sys.path before the system's dist-packages?
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112[00:46:39] <boulet101010> Hi, I have a wireless mouse that works on one computer with debian 8 and not on the other, that's what the non-working dmesg says about it : replaced-url
113[00:47:03] <boulet101010> the only difference between the working and non-working pc logs is the line [ 8918.701000] hid-generic 0003:248A:8566.0005: usage index exceeded
114[00:47:19] <boulet101010> when it works, it says that it's ignoring usage limit.
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121[00:48:47] <jmcnaught> alreece45: if the user specific python modules are only used sometimes, have you tried python-virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper?
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124[00:50:43] <gordon24186> I'm on a laptop, having to use an external display (the laptop screen is broken), can anyone tell me why when I put a disc in to reinstall my system (cause I scewed it up), I get nothing but very fine lines. I tried a windoze disc to see wth, and it loaded fine. Any suggestions?
125[00:50:46] <jmcnaught> alreece45: also where did you try setting PYTHONPATH? In ~/.bashrc ?
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132[00:53:46] <Billsey> gordon, does your BIOS allow ofrcing the default display to the external monitor? I'm guessing it's only using the builtin one until an OS loads.
133[00:53:52] <BinBasher> any idea how I can change the default name given to a screenshot in gnome?
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152[01:00:51] <gordon24186> Billsey, when I push the power button to the laptop, I close the lid quickly and it loads up on the display. When I tried using the Gparted on a disc, it did the same thing.
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155[01:01:54] <alreece45> jmcnaught: Had not, checking now
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160[01:02:43] <alreece45> Billsey: I was just doing an export PYTHON_PATH=... -- It shows up in sys.path, but always after the system dist-packages
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183[01:08:59] <augustomorais> Is there some repository to keep my jre always updated on stretch ? last version is 1.8u77 but on stretch is 1.8u72
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193[01:12:31] <bazhang> ,v openjdk-7-jre
194[01:12:33] <judd> Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 7u91-2.6.3-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u91-2.6.3-1~deb8u1; stretch: 7u91-2.6.3-1; wheezy-security: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb8u1; sid: 7u95-2.6.4-1; experimental: 7u95-2.6.4-3
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198[01:13:23] <Nik05> augustomorais ^
199[01:13:54] <Nik05> ,v openjdk-8-jre
200[01:13:55] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u72-b15-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u72-b15-4; sid: 8u77-b03-1
201[01:14:09] <Nik05> sid had 8u77
202[01:15:04] <Nik05> augustomorais just wait a few days
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205[01:15:58] <Nik05> augustomorais it needs to be at least 5 days in sid, before it can be installed into stretch
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207[01:16:17] <Nik05> replaced-url
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211[01:18:06] <Nik05> Which is the problem with testing, you will not get security updates straight away, unless very close to being stable
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220[01:24:39] <augustomorais> Nik05, Humm... really? I didnt know it.
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346[02:21:38] <ltl> /
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370[02:38:07] <[BNC]dimitry7> hey guys
371[02:38:11] <[BNC]dimitry7> what does this error mean? via eth0: network 192.168.1.0/24: no free leases
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373[02:38:45] <npo> [BNC]dimitry7: did you try refreshing your dhcp?
374[02:39:25] <[BNC]dimitry7> npo, nop, do I ?
375[02:39:56] <npo> [BNC]dimitry7: that sounds like a dhcp lease was expired
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377[02:40:11] <[BNC]dimitry7> npo, I restarted dhcp now but didn't work
378[02:40:16] <[BNC]dimitry7> yeah, what can I do?
379[02:40:30] <npo> oh hmm
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381[02:41:20] <npo> its giving you the same error?
382[02:42:07] <markybob> you could restart your router and try again
383[02:42:19] <npo> ^
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385[02:42:32] <npo> the problem definitely seems to be related to dhcp in some way
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387[02:43:52] <[BNC]dimitry7> marko, i restarted the service
388[02:43:57] <[BNC]dimitry7> npo, yeah
389[02:44:07] <[BNC]dimitry7> guys
390[02:44:09] <[BNC]dimitry7> i gotta go
391[02:44:19] <[BNC]dimitry7> let's check it tomorrow, thank you and good night!
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393[02:46:36] <npo> good night
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396[02:47:27] <trickshotjohnny> so, partman question. I have a partman config that does ext3 until I upgrade my netboot kernel to 3.16 instead of 3.2
397[02:47:30] <trickshotjohnny> this is on wheezy
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400[02:47:46] <trickshotjohnny> but when I upgrade the kernel, it only formats ext4 and will not honor the config.
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448[03:18:12] <mykhailyk> is Debian Linux an Operating System? Or it's just a 'build' of Linux kernel ?
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453[03:19:59] <nevyn> mykhailyk: Debian GNU/Linux is an Operating system
454[03:20:07] <markybob> mykhailyk: debian's website says it pretty well. it runs not only linux, but kFreeBSD and Hurd
455[03:20:43] <RoyK> iirc kfreebsd and hurd are out in the cold after jessie
456[03:20:43] <markybob> mykhailyk: thus the universal operating system title
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458[03:21:01] <markybob> they've kinda always been behind
459[03:21:29] <RoyK> anyway - debian is an OS - not k kernel
460[03:21:36] <RoyK> not *a* kernel
461[03:21:53] <RoyK> nevyn: just try it in a vm or something
462[03:23:00] <henryk> hurd's wiki page says a lot about how popular Debian GNU/Hurd is ;D replaced-url
463[03:23:17] <nevyn> RoyK: ?
464[03:23:29] <markybob> henryk: that wasn't the question
465[03:23:42] <RoyK> nevyn: just try it - you'll learn a bit
466[03:24:02] <RoyK> sorry ;)
467[03:24:08] <npo> p9
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469[03:24:25] <RoyK> mykhailyk: just try debian on an old machine or in a vm - you may learn a bit
470[03:24:31] <nevyn> ah.
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473[03:25:49] <RoyK> mykhailyk: I'd say, try the x64 (or x86) version first to get used to it - then - if you like it, perhaps try some other variants
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477[03:28:12] <RoyK> mykhailyk: debian is just a distro like every other linux distros - they all have their focuses, targets etc. some are quite cutting edge, as with ubuntu. some are more conservative, like rhel/centos and debian. the choice beetween them is usually about taste
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481[03:31:26] <RoyK> mykhailyk: I prefer debian on my servers, it's stable and sufficiently modern, and ubuntu on desktop, since it has more new stuff, although not the part all are tested that well, but then again, that doesn't matter that much on a desktop
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483[03:32:23] <RoyK> if we start a distro war here, it'll run until some midnight, somewhere on the globe, and forward until someone start banning people
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485[03:34:08] <mykhailyk> idk, i just wanted to understand whether i can call debian an OS or not
486[03:34:41] <markybob> mykhailyk: yes it's an OS. just not "only" linux
487[03:34:42] <mykhailyk> because some guys have told me that OS is a Linux kernel only
488[03:35:12] <RoyK> mykhailyk: linux is a kernel
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490[03:35:21] <Alexandrov> yes, Linux is a kernel.
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492[03:35:30] <Alexandrov> a UNIX-like kernel.
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494[03:35:33] <RoyK> mykhailyk: debian, redhat, slackware, ubuntu, whatever, uses linux
495[03:35:38] <RoyK> mykhailyk: android uses linux
496[03:35:45] <RoyK> mykhailyk: most tv sets uses linux
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498[03:36:02] <Alexandrov> my car radio is using Linux too
499[03:36:14] <Alexandrov> Idk what it is called, radio or something but with LCD
500[03:36:20] <RoyK> probably a bunch of cars run on linux
501[03:36:22] <Alexandrov> it uses Linux
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504[03:37:34] <RoyK> mykhailyk: in the land of linux, there's a distinct difference between userspace and kernel space, as opposed to most other operating systems, so even though your phone runs android, it's still linux based
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507[03:38:33] <RoyK> mykhailyk: actually, most little gadgets around with sufficient cpu/memory run linux these days
508[03:39:26] <RoyK> mykhailyk: since there's no point of reinventing the wheel, or pay someone for some OS
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510[03:40:00] * zykotick9 sees the above converstion, from his FSF-friendly viewpoint, and smiles :)
511[03:40:36] <Alexandrov> RoyK, why there are so many distros?
512[03:40:44] <RoyK> some stuff uses BSD things, though
513[03:40:57] <markybob> Alexandrov: why are there so many candy types?
514[03:41:08] <Alexandrov> Many flavours of course.
515[03:41:14] <RoyK> nothing wrong with that - for some uses it can be better - freebsd firewalling can be better for some - the license is more open etc
516[03:41:19] <markybob> Alexandrov: yeah. there you go.
517[03:41:19] <Alexandrov> Okay now I get it.
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522[03:42:12] <Alexandrov> but most of the distros are built based on Ubuntu, why not we´re just using Ubuntu or Debian?
523[03:42:22] <Alexandrov> *were built based
524[03:42:30] <markybob> Alexandrov: no, most are based on debian, not ubuntu.
525[03:42:30] <RoyK> Alexandrov: replaced-url
526[03:42:59] <markybob> Alexandrov: and then you have things like arch, redhat, gentoo, etc, which are completely different
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528[03:43:12] <Alexandrov> hahaha ¨standard¨ matters
529[03:43:15] <henryk> mykhailyk, the OS is made up of many parts. one of which is the kernel, which is linux. the kernel is mostly there to manage resources. on its own the kernel is not very useful. GNU provides a collection of software that make linux somewhat of an operating system. Debian GNU/Lunux builds on top of GNU and Linux to create a feature rich and flexible OS with easy tools to install and manage software.
530[03:43:30] <Alexandrov> I see.
531[03:43:59] <Alexandrov> I see.
532[03:44:10] <RoyK> linux distros differ mostly in where htey stor configuration files, and the version of software they includ
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534[03:44:15] <RoyK> that's it, really
535[03:44:42] <RoyK> (sorry for the spelling, it's late)
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538[03:44:47] <markybob> not even close. managing debian vs gentoo vs arch is very different
539[03:45:11] <RoyK> not really
540[03:45:13] <zykotick9> RoyK: i'd say that's a gross misinterpretations of the differences between distros...
541[03:45:19] <markybob> throw redhat in there and you're fucked
542[03:45:37] <RoyK> I'm managing several distros concurrently at work
543[03:45:42] <RoyK> I know the diffs
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545[03:45:49] <markybob> RoyK: you're misrepresenting
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547[03:46:49] <RoyK> I made my own distro at a point to make it small enought to fit inside a small initramrd, back in 2000 or so
548[03:47:02] <RoyK> linux isn't too hard once you understand it
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550[03:47:11] <markybob> RoyK: good for you. that's irrelevant
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552[03:47:28] <henryk> something something not the question :P
553[03:47:34] <nevyn> the management practices of different distro's are quite different. while at a high level they're similar.
554[03:47:41] <nevyn> the devil is in the details
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557[03:48:17] <RoyK> nevyn: yeah, and those take some time getting to, obviously
558[03:48:52] <nevyn> chkconfig vs update-rc.d
559[03:48:55] <RoyK> (hence my dislike of rhel and their friends)
560[03:48:57] * jmcnaught wonders if #debian-offtopic would be a better place for this discussion.
561[03:48:58] <nevyn> for a simple example
562[03:49:00] <RoyK> or systemd
563[03:49:02] <nevyn> yes yes
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566[03:49:04] <nevyn> mybad
567[03:49:07] <Alexandrov> hey guys, I´m trying to benchmarking my old laptop by using UBCD, I use the CPU stress tester and it keeps shutting down each time the benchmarking was done. What
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570[03:49:19] <Alexandrov> *what is wrong with my old laptop?
571[03:49:20] <nevyn> Alexandrov: themal overload
572[03:49:30] <Alexandrov> Okay thank you.
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574[03:49:45] <nevyn> Alexandrov: clean it.
575[03:49:46] <RoyK> nevyn: but then, update-rc.d and chkconfig are just symlinks, so it's not really a problem - it's still sysv
576[03:50:10] <nevyn> RoyK: let's move to -offtopic
577[03:50:16] <RoyK> hehe
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579[03:50:33] <RoyK> too tired - let's speak tomorrow
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581[03:50:35] <RoyK> nite
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583[03:50:57] <nevyn> so I disagree for the record ;)
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585[03:51:17] <RoyK> go on
586[03:51:31] <markybob> no let's not
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614[04:05:11] <acu_> Hello guys- I have a virtual machine with debian Jessie with two NICS - one goes to internet through brWAN the otherone goes to LAN through brLAN - however, I can't seem to make them both working - if I have them both only LAN works the other one is shutoff - is there a trick in /etc/network/interfaces that will somehow allow this to work ? is there in host I need to do ? - The host is debian jessie - but I have other virtual machine
615[04:05:11] <acu_> CENTOS7 with two NICS - one goes to lan one to wan -that works, debian ones do not - any hint is appreciated
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617[04:06:03] <nevyn> acu_: check the gateway information
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619[04:06:32] <nevyn> acu_: if you bring up the external nic last does it work then?
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625[04:10:17] <acu_> nevyn - no, I will try again - I made similar things work before - I had issues with physical machine with two NICs - I have to see again - I remember I gave some priority to one over other - soemthng like this - some wholoowhoolo it worked but now I need to do it for a virtual machine
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1077[06:28:23] <sewerinspector> let me know if this is better suited for #linux or something... question about kernel config: I want to use my old config for this kernel i'm about to compile except i only want to change one config parameter
1078[06:28:50] <sewerinspector> there's gotta be a way to do this. anyone know of some relevant docs and/or tips?
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1081[06:32:44] <sewerinspector> nevermind i got it. thanks all.
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1083[06:34:30] <nevyn> sewerinspector: vi ;)
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1086[06:34:56] <nevyn> sewerinspector: but you probably also want to run mkae oldconfig to check for any new/changed parameters
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1091[06:35:37] <sewerinspector> nevyn: lol i wish i were that good. but yeah i just moved my .config from /usr/src/<old kernel stuff> to where i'm building my new kernel and ran make oldconfig
1092[06:35:45] <sewerinspector> now i'm just editing stuff with make menuconfig
1093[06:36:05] <nevyn> sewerinspector: the .config isn't that complicated
1094[06:36:53] <sewerinspector> nevyn: word. I'm very inexperienced with kernel hacking etc
1095[06:37:29] <sewerinspector> actually maybe this would be a better question to ask: the whole reason i'm doing this is because i installed debian from a live cd which does not have UEFI support
1096[06:37:36] <nevyn> sewerinspector: vi .config search for the parameter chto change swap a m out with a y or n...
1097[06:37:57] <sewerinspector> ohhh i see what you're saying. that makes a lot of sense
1098[06:38:01] <sewerinspector> i probably could just do that
1099[06:38:20] <sewerinspector> anyway i'm trying to migrate from legacy bios to UEFI without having to reinstall
1100[06:38:25] <sewerinspector> lol
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1102[06:40:14] <sewerinspector> nevyn: would this be a heavy undertaking or is it feasible?
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1122[06:50:02] <de-facto> sewerinspector not sure but wouldnt UEFI need GPT with that specal efi partition?
1123[06:50:22] <sewerinspector> de-facto: oddly enough i do have a /boot/efi partition
1124[06:50:56] <sewerinspector> de-facto: this is an lsblk: replaced-url
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1126[06:52:04] <nevyn> sewerinspector: so... uefi won't boot dos partition tables afaik
1127[06:52:59] <sewerinspector> dos partition tables?
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1130[06:53:20] <sewerinspector> should /boot/efi be included with my lvm stuff?
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1132[06:55:07] <sewerinspector> nevyn: i actually managed to install grub to that partition for whatever that's worth
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1134[06:55:13] <de-facto> sewerinspector you can see which partition type you have with something like "sudo parted /dev/sda print"
1135[06:55:56] <sewerinspector> de-facto: seen here: replaced-url
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1138[06:56:28] <sewerinspector> that /boot/efi dir has to be formatted as FAT as far as I've read
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1140[06:57:09] <de-facto> ah great that should work i guess
1141[06:57:21] <de-facto> yep looks good
1142[06:57:27] <sewerinspector> cool :D
1143[06:58:17] <de-facto> its gpt with fat32 for /boot/efi with "boot, esp" flags set, so i guess you are good to go from that standpoint
1144[06:58:41] <sewerinspector> as far as i can see all i need to boot into a kernel that is configured with CONFIG_EFI_VARS=y and i'm good to go
1145[06:58:48] <sewerinspector> all i need to do*
1146[06:58:57] <sewerinspector> well
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1150[06:59:18] <de-facto> have you looked in that /boot/efi dir if there is already a bootloader inside that?
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1154[07:00:06] <sewerinspector> well there is now because i've already tried simply installing the efi grub and rebooting
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1156[07:00:15] <sewerinspector> but there wasn't anything in there before
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1158[07:01:04] <de-facto> you might want to read about replaced-url
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1161[07:02:30] <de-facto> its for manipulating the EFI firmware boot entries (unlike bios you can set variables and entries in efi apart from the hdd)
1162[07:02:41] <sewerinspector> de-facto: damn that's pretty specific
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1164[07:03:02] <sewerinspector> also of interest: Note: efibootmgr requires that the kernel support access to EFI non-volatile variables (through /proc/efi/vars on 2.4 kernels, /sys/firmware/efi/vars on 2.6 kernels). modprobe efivars should do the trick.
1165[07:03:12] <sewerinspector> the above is why i'm recompiling the kernel
1166[07:03:36] <darxmurf> hi all
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1172[07:06:04] <sewerinspector> de-facto: the question becomes, even if I manage to get this all working and I can boot with EFI, will I continue to get kernels from the repos that don't have that EFI_VARS flag set properly?
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1174[07:06:35] <grawity> "properly"?
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1176[07:07:02] <grawity> the proper setting is =n, your efibootmgr is just way out of date
1177[07:07:18] <grawity> recent releases have been using CONFIG_EFIVAR_FS (/sys/firmware/efi/efivars) for a while now
1178[07:07:31] <grawity> or, has Debian not picked it up yet
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1180[07:07:41] <sewerinspector> grawity: is it really? huh
1181[07:08:01] <sewerinspector> uhhh.... i was reading this. replaced-url
1182[07:08:03] <sewerinspector> :/
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1184[07:08:43] <grawity> the raw-sysfs interface had several problems, so recent kernels use a separate virtual filesystem (efivarfs) to provide EFI variable access
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1189[07:09:39] <sewerinspector> gotcha. so is would compiling the kernel with CONFIG_EFI_VARS=y a mistake then?
1190[07:09:45] <sewerinspector> be a*
1191[07:09:48] <themill> ,kconfig EFIVAR_FS
1192[07:09:49] <judd> Searching for 'EFIVAR_FS' in jessie kernel config gives EFIVAR_FS=m.
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1194[07:10:12] <sewerinspector> i'm running testing, for whatever that's worth
1195[07:10:19] <de-facto> sewerinspector i dont know exactly as im still on bios here, but i remember using efibootmgr on some ubuntu systems in the past, there it worked just fine
1196[07:10:22] <themill> (same)
1197[07:10:23] <nevyn> the efivars stuff is hillarious and has resulted in bricking of systems
1198[07:10:39] <grawity> e.g. Arch switched from building Dell's unmaintained efibootmgr to vathpela's fork in 2013, mainly for this change
1199[07:10:55] <de-facto> yep on samsung notebooks one could brick the mainboard by setting efi vars
1200[07:11:05] <sewerinspector> jesus
1201[07:11:13] <grawity> so since jessie has 0.11, I'm pretty sure it uses EFIVAR_FS, not the old interface
1202[07:11:14] <nevyn> rm -rf / was the culprit in some cases
1203[07:11:18] <nevyn> Don't do that.
1204[07:11:27] <sewerinspector> now i'm kinda hesitant to even try to do this lol
1205[07:11:33] <sewerinspector> nevyn: i heard about that, had a laugh
1206[07:11:38] <nevyn> because it traversed all the way into efivars and removed all the initialised settings
1207[07:11:44] <sewerinspector> that command is never a good idea
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1210[07:12:33] <sewerinspector> am i risking bricking my machine by doing this stuff? I just got this laptop :<
1211[07:12:49] <grawity> depends on the vendor
1212[07:12:54] <sewerinspector> it's a thinkpad T450
1213[07:12:58] <de-facto> i guess if you dont do anything you dont understand you should be fine though
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1215[07:13:08] <grawity> but generally the Boot* variables aren't very risky
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1217[07:13:25] <grawity> I mean, they're supposed to be changeable
1218[07:13:36] <sewerinspector> de-facto: i'm uh, learning as i go. so i can't say that I have an absolute understanding of this
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1220[07:13:46] <grawity> as long as you go through efibootmgr and not hand-crafting stuff in there >_>
1221[07:13:56] <grawity> the kernel itself validates their contents, too.
1222[07:14:00] <de-facto> on the samsung it was a bug in their firmware and the thinkpads are pretty good supported by linux users i guess
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1224[07:14:19] <sewerinspector> grawity: yeah i'm not doing anything manually with efibootmgr
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1228[07:14:54] <sewerinspector> literally all i'm doing is setting that CONFIG_EFI_VARS flag in the .config, unpacking the module, and installing grub for efi
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1230[07:15:08] <sewerinspector> and then hopefully i'll have a uefi boot. that's the plan.
1231[07:15:11] <grawity> oh you're back to that flag
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1233[07:15:27] <grawity> are you sure you *need* it
1234[07:15:36] <grawity> I mean, you're not doing this on wheezy, are you
1235[07:15:45] <sewerinspector> no i'm on testing
1236[07:15:49] <grawity> so you don't need it
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1238[07:15:53] <sewerinspector> ok.
1239[07:16:08] <grawity> your efibootmgr will use /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/ instead
1240[07:16:10] <sewerinspector> it was set to =m before so i guess i'll just reset it
1241[07:16:23] <grawity> try using `efibootmgr -v` to take a look at the current boot table
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1243[07:17:31] <sewerinspector> linux-4.4.6 $ sudo efibootmgr -v
1244[07:17:32] <sewerinspector> efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system.
1245[07:17:39] <sewerinspector> sigh
1246[07:17:57] <grawity> hmm
1247[07:18:03] <de-facto> but you did not boot in efi mode yet did you?
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1249[07:18:11] <grawity> yeah that's the most likely problem
1250[07:18:18] <sewerinspector> de-facto: no. No UEFI boots thus far.
1251[07:18:26] <grawity> (you can do `sudo strace -e open efibootmgr -v` to 100% confirm what it's trying to access, though)
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1255[07:20:21] <sewerinspector> hang on let me paste the output of that
1256[07:20:23] <de-facto> btw you can boot into a livecd for testing this i guess... do the debain iso's support efi boots?
1257[07:20:37] <sewerinspector> replaced-url
1258[07:20:37] <de-facto> *debian
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1260[07:20:51] <sewerinspector> de-facto: no the live-cd's do not support UEFI
1261[07:20:59] <sewerinspector> that's a HUGE reason why this is such an ordeal
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1263[07:21:04] <jmcnaught> the installers do
1264[07:21:09] <dixiannyshoepp> hi, click on them install them. but it didnt worked completely web-less for me.
1265[07:21:17] <dixiannyshoepp> sorry
1266[07:21:26] <dixiannyshoepp> anyone knows how to update the system using a folder? have a folder with updated packages. and actualize the system with that folder.
1267[07:21:28] <de-facto> there "/sys/firmware/efi/vars/" (No such file or directory)
1268[07:21:42] <sewerinspector> jmcnaught: is there a way to boot up an installer and just install grub from there?
1269[07:21:46] <grawity> oh well; efivars aren't absolutely required to make it boot – EFI has a fallback method, the \EFI\boot\bootx64.efi
1270[07:22:08] <grawity> sewerinspector: hmm actually
1271[07:22:13] <grawity> sewerinspector: strace -e file efibootmgr -v
1272[07:22:22] <grawity> sewerinspector: I forgot it checks before trying to open >_>
1273[07:22:32] <sewerinspector> lol
1274[07:22:33] <jmcnaught> sewerinspector: the installer has a rescue mode that can be used for installing grub
1275[07:22:39] <sewerinspector> yeah let e get that paste for you
1276[07:22:51] <sewerinspector> replaced-url
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1279[07:23:37] <de-facto> jmcnaught is that already chroot to the current system or would he need to mount rebind, chroot, grubinstall?
1280[07:24:10] <sewerinspector> i'm thinking i'd have to chroot into my laptop
1281[07:24:13] <sewerinspector> and install grub from there
1282[07:24:18] <sewerinspector> but idk for sure
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1284[07:25:02] <sewerinspector> actually i might be able to specify the disk to which grub installs in the grub-install command itself
1285[07:25:05] <sewerinspector> so maybe not
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1287[07:26:03] <jmcnaught> !reinstall grub
1288[07:26:03] <dpkg> See replaced-url
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1291[07:26:55] <sewerinspector> that looks like legacy grub though
1292[07:27:02] <jmcnaught> you'd also want to make sure that the grub-efi-amd64 package is installed
1293[07:27:08] <sewerinspector> I did see this replaced-url
1294[07:27:18] <de-facto> on an ms-dos partition i did reinstall grub one like this from an rescue cd mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev ; sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys ; sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc ; sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash ; grub-install --force /dev/sda ; exit ; reboot
1295[07:27:59] <sewerinspector> that's a hell of a one-liner
1296[07:28:10] <sewerinspector> >new bootloader, GO
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1299[07:29:11] <de-facto> its not really a one liner i just concaternated those, but basically you just need to boot in efi mode and install grub for efi from it after chrooting to the installed sys i guess
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1301[07:29:30] <de-facto> but im not entirely sure on this since i never did it on efi
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1303[07:30:05] <jmcnaught> yeah me neither, i just installed with UEFI in the first place
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1306[07:30:29] <sewerinspector> maybe if the grub-install command was like: grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=$esp --bootloader-id=grub /dev/sda
1307[07:30:30] <sewerinspector> or something
1308[07:30:46] <sewerinspector> where $esp would be /boot/efi in my case
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1310[07:30:54] <grawity> just `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=$esp` should be enough
1311[07:31:00] <sewerinspector> yeah i tried that
1312[07:31:05] <grawity> if you chroot, don't forget to rbind /sys (not just bind)
1313[07:31:06] <sewerinspector> that was my thought exactly
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1315[07:31:17] <grawity> because you need to bind the efivarfs as well >_>
1316[07:31:24] <sewerinspector> what does bind and rbind to exactly?
1317[07:31:41] <grawity> 'bind' basically mounts the same thing on two places
1318[07:31:57] <grawity> 'rbind' does the same but also includes filesystems below it
1319[07:32:06] <sewerinspector> hmm ok
1320[07:32:09] <grawity> so if you bind /sys to /mnt/sys, you now have the same sysfs mounted there
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1322[07:32:25] <sewerinspector> you know what
1323[07:32:28] <grawity> and if you rbind /sys to /mnt/sys, you now have /mnt/sys/firmware/efi/efivars too
1324[07:32:37] <grawity> (that's "mount --rbind" or "-o rbind")
1325[07:32:43] <sewerinspector> i wonder if arch-chroot from an arch live usb would work just as well
1326[07:32:48] <grawity> yeah, it should
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1328[07:33:01] <sewerinspector> there's an idea
1329[07:33:09] <grawity> it mostly just does the same bind-bind-chroot-cleanup thing
1330[07:33:21] <sewerinspector> yeah that's what i was thinking
1331[07:33:47] <sewerinspector> lol if i did that i wonder if my debian splashback for GRUB would still be there
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1333[07:34:10] <grawity> anyway – if you can't get efivars working, cp -a $esp/EFI/grub/grubx64.efi $esp/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi >_>
1334[07:34:31] <sewerinspector> oh what
1335[07:34:34] <sewerinspector> lol
1336[07:34:41] <sewerinspector> wait a sec that looks familiar
1337[07:35:02] <sewerinspector> replaced-url
1338[07:35:07] <sewerinspector> i was reading this earlier too
1339[07:35:11] <grawity> yeah it should be; many docs mention it as a 'fallback' method
1340[07:35:19] <sewerinspector> gotcha
1341[07:35:41] <sewerinspector> so if i ran that cp command and rebooted
1342[07:35:46] <sewerinspector> it might actually work?
1343[07:35:51] <grawity> it might
1344[07:35:58] <sewerinspector> would I lose legacy bios boot capability?
1345[07:36:01] <grawity> no
1346[07:36:02] <sewerinspector> ok
1347[07:36:08] <sewerinspector> well then it's definitely worth a shot
1348[07:36:09] <grawity> (it might work, provided that the firmware isn't doing backasswards things – I know nothing about the quality of Thinkpads' EFI, but some firmwares are good and some are bad)
1349[07:36:19] <sewerinspector> word
1350[07:36:21] <grawity> and if *that* doesn't work, you can check if your boot menu has an "EFI shell"
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1352[07:36:30] <grawity> and manually run grubx64.efi via the EFI shell
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1354[07:36:44] <grawity> there's a lot of ways to get this stuff working
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1357[07:36:58] <sewerinspector> gotcha. i half-assed a try at that a few weeks ago
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1360[07:37:43] <sewerinspector> cp: cannot create regular file '/boot/efi/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi': No such file or directory
1361[07:37:52] <grawity> mkdir >_>
1362[07:37:53] <sewerinspector> can i just make that file or should it alrady be there?
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1364[07:37:55] <sewerinspector> lol
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1367[07:38:39] <sewerinspector> alright rebooting. i'll let you know how it goes
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1370[07:40:13] <slax0r> hi, I'm having trouble installing skype on debian 8, when I try to install the x86 packages as per replaced-url
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1375[07:43:19] <sewerinspector> grawity: it worked
1376[07:43:21] <sewerinspector> ~ $ [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy boot on HDD"
1377[07:43:22] <sewerinspector> EFI boot on HDD
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1379[07:44:02] <sewerinspector> :D thanks everyone!! Super excited about this. one of my better experiences in a distro support channel
1380[07:44:09] <grawity> now do a grub-install again, to actually set up that efivar
1381[07:44:16] <sewerinspector> oh word, ok
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1385[07:45:25] <sewerinspector> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
1386[07:45:27] <sewerinspector> Installation finished. No error reported.
1387[07:45:29] <sewerinspector> Cool, looks good.
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1397[07:54:58] <Robotnik> If I change the console font with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' is there a way to revert it?
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1524[09:02:30] <__marco> Hello
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1532[09:04:11] <__marco> now that Debian has systemd, how is the network configured at start up? I.e. what is the substitute of /etc/init.d/networking?
1533[09:04:28] <cafuego> /etc/init/networking ?
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1540[09:06:21] <__marco> ?
1541[09:06:42] <Ghostbird> Why does debian install a debian-spamd user for spamassassin, but still run the daemon as root? When I try to fix it in /etc/default/spamassassin, it seems to ignore that file.
1542[09:06:48] <__marco> I wasn't aware of the existance of /etc/init
1543[09:07:06] <__marco> what is it?
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1545[09:07:29] <jmcnaught> __marco: /etc/init.d/networking still gets uses, but systemd shows it as a service unit. "systemctl status networking". You still configure networks in /etc/network/interfaces
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1547[09:08:42] <jmcnaught> __marco: even before systemd restarting networking with "service networking restart" (or calling the script directly) was not the right way, using ifup and ifdown were/are what should be used
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1549[09:10:56] <__marco> jmcnaught: sure. I am reading /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/README.Debian.gz and I wanted to be sure that everything inside is still valid
1550[09:11:00] <__marco> jmcnaught: thanks
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1552[09:11:49] <jmcnaught> also i think /etc/init is for upstart
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1561[09:15:08] <Vladimirski> When adding a new user in debian where kerberos is used, what do I have to type in as password?
1562[09:15:14] <Vladimirski> using adduser*
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1567[09:19:19] <jelly> __marco: /etc/init/ is just for installations which use upstart as /sbin/init
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1597[09:39:42] <__marco> This explains why I never heard about it
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1634[09:54:37] <onlnr> I'm looking for sha256 or some hash of amd64 version of the live image replaced-url
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1640[09:56:06] <onlnr> oh, google helped me! got it
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1684[10:17:16] <amitprakash> Hi, for /etc/default/someservice, how do I pass evaluated commands as values to variables?
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1689[10:18:06] <ansyeblya> hi, how to reply to a user in this irc ?
1690[10:18:11] <ansyeblya> like @username
1691[10:18:28] <amitprakash> for example I want to pass hostname as node_name for elasticsearch, I'd have passed it to ExecStart but it calls /usr/bin/elasticsearch directly, thus disallowing any evaulation as var=$(hostname -s)
1692[10:18:34] <ansyeblya> even google doesnt' know anything about it
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1694[10:18:44] <amitprakash> ansyeblya, just type in their name, tab completion should allow you to complete the full name
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1697[10:19:31] <ansyeblya> amitprakash, thanks
1698[10:19:39] <ansyeblya> did you see it highlited like that ?
1699[10:19:42] <amitprakash> yes
1700[10:19:43] <ansyeblya> ok ty
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1704[10:22:42] <cauliflower> Hi! How does a filter expression that only views a traffic from one website look like in Wireshark?
1705[10:23:08] <cauliflower> What is the expression?
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1716[10:29:16] <onlnr> Is the live cd some kind of UEFI boot version? I created the usb stick with 2 different software on windows, but with neither it ignores it. On BIOS it as the first option, and it is named as UEFI: kingston data traveller, while my system is not uefi but mbr
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1722[10:30:26] <onlnr> i wont boot to this usb stick but goes to boot option #2
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1730[10:33:24] <onlnr> lubuntu 15.10 live cd freezes on lxde when I test it. Ubuntu 15.10 live cd works fine. Now I would want to test debian with lxde, whether I have this problem aswell, but now I have this problem I can't even test it. Not sure I want to blindly install debian and see if there is the problem. Though I guess the problem is fixable
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1740[10:40:44] <jelly> onlnr: two things 1) the installer is different from live image; it's possible live cd has some issues with some bios/uefi firmwares 2) use a tool that overwrites the whole usb stick including the partition, like win32diskimager; avoid smarter tools like unetbootin
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1745[10:43:20] <unborn> onlnr: lubuntu is not same as pure debian..
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1747[10:44:51] <onlnr> ok. The other tool I use is win32diskimager, the other one is universal usb installer. I am creating these usb sticks on uefi bootable windows 8.1, so not sure if for that reason it creates some uefi bootable version of the debian live cd if that is even possible
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1750[10:45:44] <jelly> well clearly your firmware recognizes an uefi image, so maybe you could enable uefi temporarily just to test debian live
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1752[10:47:23] <onlnr> oh. I didn't know I could do that (if I understood what you meant) I already downloaded the installer image though, and maybe I just install it blindly
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1754[10:47:56] <onlnr> or see if it can recognize that on boot
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1756[10:49:04] <jelly> onlnr: I'm assuming your machine has both bios and uefi support, and that uefi is disabled somewhere in firmware
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1768[10:55:49] <onlnr> I booted to bios, and there is in advanced - usb configuration - legacy support 'enabled', I could try choose auto or disabled here
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1772[11:00:23] <onlnr> I changed to disabled, but it booted to windoze :/
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1798[11:10:36] <onlnr> okay. The normal iso file (not live cd) boots regardless of that USB legacy support being enabled/disabled. Once it boots it says 'Debian gnu/linux UEFI installer menu'. I'm scared of that word UEFI. This is not uefi style pc afaik. Has windows 7 32-bit, although it has celeron N2815 processor, so I am installing amd64 version now
1799[11:11:42] <onlnr> but all win7 32-bit is supposed to old mbr style
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1803[11:12:49] <onlnr> Am I good to go, and just ignore that UEFI word in that title? This uefi/mbr/legacy/bios got me confused, eventhough I have tried to read about it
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1832[11:22:53] <jelly> onlnr: honestly no idea, but if the installer booted, that means you do have support?
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1839[11:24:38] <abd5932> Hi, I would like to limit the time my kids spend with computer - how can I auto-logout them after certain period of time (with a warning several minutes before, so that they can save their stuff)? I'm on Debian Jessie with Gnome 3.14? Thank you!
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1845[11:27:26] <onlnr> jelly: yeah good point
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1853[11:29:49] <spaxx> hey, what is the correct mirror for squeeze backports? i'm using replaced-url
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1858[11:31:58] <m14ed> Is it possible to set up a Local Linux server to which everyone can connect as Client and use the Software without actually installing software themselves
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1877[11:37:37] <ongolaBoy> spaxx: hi. I guess you know squeeze is no longer maintained. If you want to continue to use these packets you have to create a file such as /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50tmp-squeeze.conf and this replaced-url
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1880[11:38:24] <ongolaBoy> spaxx: and if you migrate to wheezy you'll have to remove that file after the migration
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1893[11:48:29] <onlnr> Which image file has rtl_nic/rtl.... wireless drivers? I need to load it from another media during installation
1894[11:48:40] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
1895[11:48:41] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
1896[11:49:17] <babilen> onlnr: You can use ^^ for installation or grab replaced-url
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1905[11:52:26] <spaxx> ongolaBoy: thank you!
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1916[11:59:27] <onlnr> thanks. I loaded those files to an usb stick and inserted it but it wont recognize it in the installer. I think I try rerun installer while having that usb stick plugged in from the begin
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1918[12:00:11] <hanshenrik_> some easy way to mount a sftp server?
1919[12:00:14] <hanshenrik_> sshfs?
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1921[12:01:48] <zamuro> openssh-server
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1924[12:01:57] <zamuro> That would do with sftp.
1925[12:02:14] <zamuro> If you wanna use port 21, you just change it in sshd_config
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1930[12:04:25] <babilen> onlnr: What did you do exactly? From what kind of medium are you installing?
1931[12:04:50] <babilen> (and do you require wireless for the installation?)
1932[12:04:56] <onlnr> fat32 partitioned usb stick, it wont recognize it
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1934[12:05:20] <babilen> What medium are you installing from?
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1936[12:05:23] <onlnr> well I don't have a wired connection, so the next thing would be to set that up anyway
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1938[12:05:29] <onlnr> usb stick
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1941[12:05:46] <ex-parrot> today I decomissioned a Debian machine which was purchased in 1999, ran Debian Potato on a 2.2.19 kernel, and has been progressively upgraded all the way to wheezy
1942[12:05:54] <ex-parrot> and run 24/7 for that whole time
1943[12:06:08] <babilen> onlnr: Ah, that doesn't work (two usbs) IIRC. In that case download the firmware image and install from that.
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1947[12:07:20] <onlnr> that would be on usb stick aswell?
1948[12:07:40] <onlnr> So instead, I would put this on the 2nd usb stick replaced-url
1949[12:08:26] <babilen> exactly
1950[12:08:30] <babilen> That contains the firmware already
1951[12:08:37] <rozie> ex-parrot: sad day. any photos?
1952[12:08:53] <babilen> onlnr: It might still ask you to insert it (not sure if they fixed that) at which point you just continue.
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1957[12:09:18] <onlnr> ok
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1960[12:09:45] <onlnr> do I install that iso image with win32disk imager, like when I did with the bootable image
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1962[12:09:48] <ex-parrot> rozie: I'll take one tomorrow :)
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2006[12:22:54] <onlnr> anyone know why input from my keyboard is really laggy and it wont take my keypresses often, or take them in multiples. Having hard time writing wifi pw
2007[12:22:58] <onlnr> on the debian installation
2008[12:23:07] <onlnr> mouse also so. is my usb ports poor
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2011[12:24:03] <onlnr> okay. it seemed to freeze on the password input. Wont take any keys anymore
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2022[12:27:59] <hanshenrik_> why doesn't apache or nginx use /srv/ ?
2023[12:28:04] <hanshenrik_> use /var/replaced-url
2024[12:28:05] <onlnr> earlier it froze on keyboard select. Also same lag on lubuntu and ubuntu installation process. Otherwise the usb ports seem to work fine
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2027[12:29:01] <hary_poter> tired of jews, lies, poverty and bad sound? add me to qox. my id is EEEDE72B6187425700FCA07D1B3FC2D49C6C5B6BDAEFA819D35976E8860B2E7DFDF6FC49EAF5
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2279[13:34:38] <darsie> My automount rarely works. I usually have to import photos by manually mounting my USB card reader as root, move photos to /tmp and import them from there. How can I make automount work?
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2289[13:39:08] <darsie> Ok, I'll do it as root again ...
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2297[13:43:00] <prillian5> in debian... if i type locale, I got POSIX. Even if I do dpkg-reconfiguer locales, and set to utf8.
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2299[13:43:09] <prillian5> Any Idea why reconfigure doesn't take effect (its an openvz container)
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2316[13:56:46] <onlnr> okay. So this time with debian installation the screen didnt froze until I got to the point 'select and install software' it says 'running dpkg' on screen, but this on graphical interface the mouse is not moving and nor is that screen changing. So I havent installed Grub or such yet, but the base is installed. Can I continue this installation somehow, or what should I do?
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2318[13:57:46] <babilen> You could switch to another tty and see what happen(ed/s)
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2323[13:58:23] <ts1k> hi all!
2324[13:58:24] <babilen> ctrl-alt-f2 for example .. I haven't used the graphical install at all and always use the text expert one.
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2328[13:59:26] <jelly> prillian5: if you changed the default system locale you have to log off and back on to see changes
2329[13:59:28] <ts1k> I need to connect from linux to a MS SQL Server 2008, which package should I have to install?
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2331[13:59:57] <jelly> ts1k: connect using which language?
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2333[14:00:10] <jelly> ts1k: sqsh for command line
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2337[14:01:18] <ts1k> jelly: I think SQL, I need to do some querys
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2340[14:01:43] <onlnr> cant switch tty. It seems this is another problem/bug, and people have reported it here replaced-url
2341[14:01:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2343[14:02:18] <ts1k> jelly: can I use another language other than SQL???
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2347[14:04:31] <babilen> onlnr: I would recommend to simply not use the graphical installer
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2350[14:05:22] <onlnr> I had more luck with the graphical installer so far
2351[14:05:37] <onlnr> the non-graphical installer is more laggy, and it freezes the insteller earlier
2352[14:05:39] <jelly> ts1k: not that I know of
2353[14:06:15] <jelly> ts1k: I mean, lots of programming languages have bindings so you can call sql from inside your apps
2354[14:06:30] <onlnr> there is an option acpi=off that someone has managed to fix his hang on this part of the installer, so I might try that. Just getting a bit tired.. like 10th time next
2355[14:06:34] <prillian5> jelly: I had log off and log in
2356[14:06:46] <prillian5> I also restart the vm
2357[14:06:48] <jelly> ts1k: the relevant library is called "freetds"
2358[14:07:31] <ts1k> jelly: ahh! I think I'm fine with sqsh :)
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2401[14:27:27] <jbenhaim> hello any user of arm and cubietruck have make work dual screen with the mainline uboot and kernel on jessie ?
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2404[14:32:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys whats that command to fill up memory?
2405[14:32:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need to test my script :)
2406[14:32:29] <petemc> iceweasel
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2408[14:33:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> ....
2409[14:33:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> no iceweasel on my server try again
2410[14:34:14] <korhojoa> well, installing it should fill some memory
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2423[14:39:53] <Eryn_1983_FL> stress --vm-bytes $(awk '/MemFree/{printf "%d\n", $2 * 0.9;}' < /proc/meminfo)k --vm-keep -m 1
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2430[14:41:18] <darsie> Eryn_1983_FL: fork bomb
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2436[14:43:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> found it
2437[14:43:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> thanks anyways,
2438[14:43:38] <cygnusx1> replaced-url
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2440[14:44:18] <cygnusx1> fork bomb doesnt eat up ram so much as cause conflict
2441[14:44:42] <cygnusx1> and you cant see the output
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2449[14:47:34] <WangDang> What do I need to install to be able to lock my screen with a keyboard shortcut or a mouse click? Xscreensaver and light-locker only seem to lock based on inactivity timeouts. Vlock is only for the console. xtrlock doesn't obscure the screen. i3lock works, but it doesn't have a nice screen saver option. Any suggestion?
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2457[14:49:39] <bollo> WangDang, slock
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2461[14:51:47] <jelly> WangDang: which WM or DE are you using?
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2463[14:52:35] <jelly> most have some sort of global shortcuts and it shouldn't be too hard to bind "xscreensaver-command -lock" to one
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2465[14:53:18] <WangDang> jelly: I'm using xfce and whatever wm is default for xfce
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2467[14:54:53] <jelly> WangDang: open xfce4-settings-manager and hunt for shortcuts, somewhere. I don't have it running right now, just remember they were not in the obvious place
2468[14:55:19] <r6ku> WangDang: Settings -> Keyboard -> Application Shortcuts
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2471[14:56:14] <WangDang> jelly: I don't see a "--lock" option to xscreensaver in the man page
2472[14:56:29] <WangDang> r6ku: thanks
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2474[14:57:32] <jelly> WangDang: you're not looking at the right man page, the command is literally called "xscreensaver-command"
2475[14:58:08] <jelly> WangDang: I see xfce has its own xflock4 command, too, don't remember what THAT does
2476[14:58:35] <WangDang> Wow, that is rather literal as a name. Found the option, thanks!
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2478[14:59:13] <WangDang> Thanks, I'll look up xflock4 to see it it's useful
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2480[15:00:05] <WangDang> bollo: thanks for the lead
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2493[15:04:58] <fred1807> is there a command line I can enter to delet/reset any type of cache/memory related to mounted external volumes?
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2516[15:14:50] <jelly> fred1807: replaced-url
2517[15:15:09] <jelly> not "external" but everything
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2519[15:16:06] <unwanted> easy to configure webmail server for debian 7 any one can suggest ?
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2521[15:18:09] <amcorreia> zimbra ?
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2527[15:19:38] <balance> hi
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2550[15:31:26] <jeremie__> Hi, i'm currently trying to install a debian server, within a windows controlled domain, and i'm trying to automatically create home directory for users from ldap accessing the server,...
2551[15:31:38] <jeremie__> Which is working almost fine !
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2563[15:34:29] <jeremie__> But, and i dont understand why, i don't see how i could give to new users connecting via ssh the primary group that i want
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2581[15:40:11] <ths> I got the debian-multimedia repo added. When I try to install kde-plasma-desktop (or any package that installs kde like task-kde-desktop) I get the following message (aptitude install kde-plasma-desktop)
2582[15:40:15] <ths> libchromaprint0 : Depends: libavcodec56 (>= 10:2.4) but 6:11.6-1~deb8u1 is installed.
2583[15:40:18] <ths> Depends: libavutil54 (>= 10:2.4) but 6:11.6-1~deb8u1 is installed.
2584[15:40:26] <ths> If I remove the debian-multimedia repo it just works
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2586[15:40:47] <ths> How should I go about installing kde without removing the multimedia repo?
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2592[15:42:30] <jelly> ths: remove dmm, install kde, add it back if you really need it?
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2594[15:42:54] <jeremie__> Hi people o/
2595[15:43:14] <ths> jelly: not a possibility since I use an automated setup routine
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2597[15:43:55] <ths> I manage 50+ debian desktops and there should be a possibility to cleanly install kde even with the multimedia repo shouldn't there?
2598[15:44:17] <jelly> ths: what do you need from dmm anyway?
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2600[15:44:32] <jeremie__> I'm still trying to set groups and primary group to users "coming" from ldap, does anyone know how to do so please ?
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2602[15:45:05] <jelly> ths: this is a dmm problem really, not debian's, so maybe you can avoid it completely?
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2613[15:49:02] <ths> jelly: so aptitude is not able to work around a "defective" repository? oh and to the question which package I need: I'm actually not quite sure since the package list "naturally grew" and there were more people than myself involved
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2617[15:49:29] <ths> I could and shoule check thought
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2625[15:51:05] <ths> *more people involved than just me
2626[15:52:31] <ths> jelly: if you get any ideas how to solve the problem without removing the repo that would be great and it would be nice if you could hilight me. If you don't have any that's not bad either, thank you anyway for your help. I think I will check which packages really require the repo and maybe remove it
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2632[15:55:04] <WangDang> I've got screenlocking figured out, but I have a question about xfce shortcuts now. The shortcut in Settings->Keyboard->Shortcuts for locking screen is "<Primary><Alt>Delete". By guessing I discovered that <Primary> means the control key. I couldn't find this documented anywhere I looked. Anyone know where it's documented? 'cause there is another shortcut listed as "<Super>p". I like to find out what the <super> key is configured to. Thanks
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2642[15:56:51] <ths> oh and jelly packages using dmm are for instance acroread and yes our users still depend on it from time to time
2643[15:57:06] <slax0r> hello, I am running into an issue where a font is rendered with excesive spacing between letter in xterm, anyone had that before?
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2671[16:05:20] <karlpinc> WangDang: Have you tried the "MS Windows Key"?
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2683[16:10:13] <WangDang> karlpinc: bull's eye! thanks
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2691[16:12:18] <jonathan_xx> In a regular old fashion network with a NAS (linux) as central server, what would be the best way to create a form of DNS particularly for the Linux hosts? I mean without manually having to put hosts in /etc/hosts everywhere.
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2696[16:14:01] <jonathan_zz> I mean the moment I put something in e.g. ~/.ssh/config, ssh-ing to some place becomes easy, but I mean without going through all of that by default.
2697[16:14:47] <RoyK> jonathan_zz: ansible, perhaps?
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2703[16:19:04] <jonathan_zz> RoyK: seems way too complex, and I cannot really understand it from the wikipedia article. It would probably be much easier to have DNS on the NAS even. But isn't WINS supposed to do something like this? I've never used it I think.
2704[16:19:28] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: dnsmasq
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2709[16:21:08] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: WINS is specifically for netbios names, not internet names.
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2711[16:21:54] <jonathan_zz> DNSmasq seems perfect, I wonder if the NAS is already using it.
2712[16:22:09] <jonathan_zz> well it's there.
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2717[16:24:10] <RoyK> jonathan_zz: complex?!? it's raelly easy
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2720[16:24:27] <RoyK> jonathan_zz: but if you just need dns, setup dns
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2722[16:25:12] <jonathan_zz> easy is not the same as simple. But DNSmasq seems perfect. I only have to figure out how to use it instead of the router.
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2725[16:26:14] <jelly> ideally you'd put it _on_ the router
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2727[16:26:40] <jonathan_zz> yeah but that's currently a commercial appliance, not running any wrt or anything.
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2735[16:29:12] <jelly> oh, then you just have to configure the dhcp server to give your new dns server to the clients
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2737[16:29:50] <jonathan_zz> yeah but I think I just have to turn DHCP on the router off, let the NAS handle it, and just make sure it gives out the correct router address.
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2739[16:30:51] <jonathan_zz> it does mean all DNS queries might go in 3 steps
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2741[16:31:25] <jonathan_zz> or it could be configured to skip the router as a DNS proxy.
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2743[16:31:30] <jonathan_zz> thanks.
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2747[16:31:55] <familybuilding> I've got two languages installed, en and de, and I'm always using the mouse and pull down menu to change between languages, (ALT 129 etc does not work), looking for a shortcut key to change layout and switch from en to de and de to en without always having to use the mouse. Any suggestion, many thanks.
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2749[16:32:27] <teraflops> jonathan_zz: dhcp + bind9 setting up ddns.
2750[16:32:38] <jhutchins> familybuilding: What desktop environment?
2751[16:32:43] <familybuilding> gnome
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2754[16:32:47] <teraflops> Dhcp server*
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2757[16:33:02] <jhutchins> teraflops: dnsmasq is really much more suited to a small scale environment.
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2759[16:33:37] <teraflops> jhutchins: ah sure. Im just fine with isc dhcp and bind
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2766[16:35:05] <familybuilding> a ubuntu manual mentions 'keyboard layout options', can't find that in 'Keyboard' Setups. Getting to 'Shortcuts' there, 'Typing' and then struggling to proceed.
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2769[16:35:53] <andril> hello
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2792[16:43:48] <jhutchins> teraflops: I run bind at home just because it was all that was available when I set up the network. It's not hard to get working, it is hard to get right. dnsmasq can handle dynamic DHCP assignments better, and is easier to set up.
2793[16:43:52] <karlpinc> familybuilding: It's going to depend on the desktop you use.
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2797[16:45:05] <karlpinc> jhutchins: Something about dnsmasq rubs me the wrong way. YMMV obviously.
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2799[16:45:10] <familybuilding> I work on gnome. Most likely there is a hotkey or shortcut, but I don't know.
2800[16:45:30] <karlpinc> familybuilding: You could ask #gnome if nobody here knows. Or ask again later.
2801[16:45:37] <familybuilding> Thank you.
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2803[16:45:49] <karlpinc> familybuilding: Gnome seems to be all about limiting your options....
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2810[16:48:08] <jhutchins> karlpinc: I didn't like it when dnsmasq was installed and enabled by default, but I think it's a good solution. Especially if you have no need to learn how to maintain bind.
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2812[16:48:39] <karlpinc> jhutchins: There's also nsd/unbound to consider.
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2819[16:50:35] <nilekada> Hello. Got this error while trying to install Amarok: replaced-url
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2824[16:51:49] <nilekada> Apt-updated, upgraded and dist-upgraded and still the same error
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2829[16:52:24] <markybob> nilekada: pastebin your sources.list
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2832[16:52:35] <nobody44> hello. I just installed slapd and have some issues with it: apparently it is not able to start, because it tries to bind to port 389, which the user "openldap" is not allowed to do. How do I fix this?
2833[16:52:40] <some_noooob> I had my laptop set up with another monitor, and now it's unplugged but the top bar is still messed up. Any commands to reset that? Messed up meaning it's not showing the time all the way to the right like it usually does.
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2835[16:52:58] <markybob> nilekada: i'm guessing it's stretch. it's not in stretch at the moment. and you're in the wrong place if it is
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2840[16:53:46] <ths> jelly: and everyone who cares simple app pinning seems to solve the problem. curious is that it seems to work regardsless of pin priority :/
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2844[16:54:25] <some_noooob> Nevermind, I figured it out.
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2847[16:54:30] <nilekada> markybob, replaced-url
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2850[16:54:51] <nilekada> markybob, yes I'm using testing
2851[16:55:09] <markybob> nilekada: testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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2856[16:56:02] <nilekada> markybob, I half-feared that would be the result. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't a testing issue.
2857[16:56:09] <nilekada> Thanks
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2875[17:01:32] <ShalokShalom> iceweasel 38 have all the security issues solved from the further versions?
2876[17:01:35] <ShalokShalom> all backported?
2877[17:01:45] <ShalokShalom> or is that a 45 with another version numbering
2878[17:01:46] <ShalokShalom> wheezy
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2883[17:03:56] <jelly> ShalokShalom: 38esr series has all the security issues fixed, yes
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2886[17:05:21] <jelly> ,v iceweasel
2887[17:05:22] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.2.1esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 38.5.0esr-1~deb8u2; wheezy-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 44.0.2-1; experimental: 45.0~b5-1;
2888[17:05:23] <judd> stretch: 45.0.1esr-1; sid: 45.0.1esr-1
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2890[17:05:55] <jelly> ShalokShalom: however it looks wheezy doesn't even have the latest 38.7.1esr
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2892[17:06:02] <ShalokShalom> -.-
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2894[17:06:05] <ShalokShalom> wow, really?
2895[17:06:13] <ShalokShalom> that is a huge security issue?
2896[17:06:20] <ShalokShalom> its the default browser
2897[17:06:33] <ShalokShalom> ah, ok
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2900[17:06:34] <jelly> oh, it does, I'm just not reading the right thing. wheezy-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb7u1
2901[17:06:45] <ShalokShalom> see your comment about the backports right know
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2905[17:06:59] <ShalokShalom> so, just the features are not available in wheezy
2906[17:07:05] <ShalokShalom> from 39 and greater
2907[17:07:07] <ShalokShalom> fine, thanks
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2910[17:07:13] <jelly> correct
2911[17:07:26] <jelly> ESR is going to switch to 45esr soonish
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2915[17:08:06] <jelly> !iceweasel esr
2916[17:08:07] <dpkg> Iceweasel Extended Support Release, see replaced-url
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2918[17:08:29] <thms> My sources.list is fine (default, just changed all from squeeze to wheeze before upgrade). Yet, with aptitude (and not with apt-get), I get errors like " WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" and I have to type "yes" and it is *annoying*
2919[17:08:36] <thms> can anyone help me debug this ?
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2925[17:09:44] <jelly> thms: if you're doing a release upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, read the wheezy release notes
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2927[17:09:57] <thms> erm, seems to go and come back. It's gone after an aptitude update..
2928[17:10:09] <thms> jelly, that update has been done for long.
2929[17:10:13] <thms> Well for a few days
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2934[17:11:08] <jelly> thms: hm. Perhaps install debian-archive-keyring, first
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2938[17:11:34] <thms> jelly, will look into that if the problems comes back
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2941[17:11:38] <thms> thanks :)
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2943[17:11:44] <jelly> thms: I bet that step is in the release notes, too!
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2946[17:12:04] <jelly> !wheezy release notes
2947[17:12:05] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 7 "Wheezy" are at replaced-url
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2950[17:12:35] <thms> Thanks. Will take a look at it. I didn't do this one upgrade but I'll make sure to follow this guide when I do the next ones
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2952[17:12:48] <thms> !squeeze->wheezy
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2954[17:13:01] <jelly> dpkg, tell thms about squeeze->wheezy
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2990[17:25:48] <awal1> _crazy_girl, please no PM's. If you need some help ask in room
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2995[17:27:19] <CapsAdmin> _crazy_girl, is a bot
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2998[17:27:44] <patterson> Some of my best friends are bots
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3000[17:28:01] <awal1> channel bot or a troll?
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3002[17:28:03] <awal1> :D
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3004[17:28:25] <CapsAdmin> just keeps repeating the same lines over and over
3005[17:28:35] <patterson> Me too!
3006[17:28:48] <patterson> Are we there yet? Is this the year of desktop Linux?
3007[17:29:15] <CapsAdmin> patterson, "Some of my best friends are bots" that's from an actual bot, right?
3008[17:29:16] <CapsAdmin> which one?
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3012[17:30:32] <patterson> Writing a bot is harder than it looks
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3091[17:51:55] <alive> T3ZlckNvZGVy: nice password.
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3096[17:53:45] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> alive, nah
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3098[17:53:55] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> alive, try and decode that
3099[17:54:02] <VeggieMeat> hunter2
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3102[17:54:18] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> It won't be hard, some well-known/used algorithm
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3107[17:55:56] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> (btw it's base64 :P)
3108[17:56:30] <alive> Nice one
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3111[17:57:57] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> Thanks :*
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3113[17:57:59] <T3ZlckNvZGVy> ＼(*¯∇¯)ノ ☆ ＦＡＢＵＬＯＵＳ～
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3118[17:58:57] <jonathan_xx> jhutchins: it works :) well mostly.
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3123[17:59:59] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: it resolves addresses across the network even without /etc/hosts entries, simply based on the DHCP hostname a host gives.
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3125[18:00:44] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: it automatically resolves "host" as well as "host.localnet"
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3136[18:03:10] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: only my router started bugging and lost its internet connection, probably due to the DHCP on the local network, but not sure.
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