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• 69[00:28:39] <awal1> I don't remember how to make "apt-cache search foo" limit it's search to foo, only foo
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• 71[00:29:15] <juhop> apt-cache show foo?
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• 73[00:29:20] <awal1> no
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• 76[00:29:39] <awal1> someone told me the option time ago by I forgot it
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• 78[00:30:21] <maddawg2> maybe it's kungfoo
• 79[00:30:24] <maddawg2> jk
• 80[00:30:32] <awal1> :)
• 81[00:30:42] <n4dir> --names-only ?
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• 84[00:31:41] <awal1> n4dir: great! --names-only yeah. thanks :)
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• 86[00:31:58] <n4dir> i think you could also add a apt-cache search foo --names-only | grep -i '^foo" (which would/could boil it down further, assuming there are lots of results)
• 87[00:32:16] <n4dir> ^foo -> like in foo at the beginning of the line (^)
• 88[00:32:37] <awal1> nice way, yeah
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• 90[00:33:07] <n4dir> usually --names-only was enough for me.
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• 94[00:34:14] <awal1> hmmm, it's in the man page. now I see the option; I checked man a few times but I dont know how I haven't seen it :(
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• 96[00:34:21] <awal1> thanks n4dir
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• 99[00:35:42] <n4dir> no problem. a bit of luck was also involved . and i usually miss what i search for in manpages :-)
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• 103[00:36:25] <UUID00> replaced-url
• 104[00:36:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 111[00:42:03] <themill> UUID00: there's a move to get away from files in /etc/default and, once released, changing this behaviour wouldn't be popular with anyone who has updated their installations.
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• 117[00:46:36] <UUID00> yeah, I guess... but... lot's of ppl tried (including me) OPTIONS="-4 -u bind" in /etc/default/bind9 but with default setup that's just a dummy file...
• 118[00:46:38] <UUID00> and it's misleading
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• 122[00:48:08] <themill> yeah, other packages had machinery to bring those settings across in a nice way
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• 130[00:52:28] <hamsheet_> how do I tell if my system is using systemd?
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• 132[00:52:59] <hamsheet_> sorry i am just a dumbb guy who is trying to use linux in moms basement
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• 136[00:53:58] <bazhang> hamsheet_, what version of debian
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• 139[00:54:29] <hamsheet_> testing
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• 142[00:55:54] <themill> You can just look at what PID 1 is
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• 147[01:00:13] <robotustra> hi, how to mount android phone under debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.81-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 151[01:00:39] <awal1> hamsheet_: can you paste the output of ps --pid 1 -f or stat /sbin/init ? or both (paste.debian.net)
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• 153[01:01:03] <robotustra> can't find mtpfs package
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• 163[01:04:59] <robotustra> bittin: what language is it?
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• 171[01:07:57] <robotustra> hi
• 172[01:08:09] <sh00p> that would be swedish
• 173[01:08:13] <HeXiLeD> other than ~/.xinitrc where does debian store the mains conf where we can setup the default WM we want to use (fluxbox 'exec fluxbox')
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• 176[01:09:46] <robotustra> where I can ask silly questions about debian?
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• 179[01:10:05] <bazhang> robotustra, the debian offtopic channel
• 180[01:10:31] <robotustra> mounting android under debian is a silly question?
• 181[01:10:31] <themill> well... user support is not offtopic
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• 183[01:10:52] <bazhang> thought he said 'silly'
• 184[01:10:55] <awal1> HeXiled, use update-alternatives
• 185[01:10:56] <bazhang> my bad
• 186[01:11:44] <robotustra> I'm trying to mount my xiaomi in debian, read some web help but I can't find mtpfs packade
• 187[01:11:48] <robotustra> *ge
• 188[01:12:11] <bazhang> gmtp
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• 191[01:12:18] <bazhang> ,v gmtp
• 192[01:12:20] <judd> Package: gmtp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.3-1; jessie: 1.3.7-1; jessie-backports: 1.3.9-2~bpo8+1; sid: 1.3.10-1; stretch: 1.3.10-1
• 193[01:12:26] <bazhang> thats the one
• 194[01:12:29] <themill> or jmtpfs
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• 196[01:12:39] <robotustra> thanks, I'll tr
• 197[01:13:08] <themill> You may find you need to update to jessie though
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• 200[01:13:38] <bazhang> the descriptor for that seems to wildly off from what it actually does iirc
• 201[01:13:43] <robotustra> installed gmtp
• 202[01:13:51] <robotustra> and mtp-tools
• 203[01:14:33] <bazhang> replug the device is all it takes here
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• 209[01:16:25] <awal1> HeXiled: run update-alternatives --config x-window-manager then select fluxbox (/usr/bin/startfluxbox). I thinks the config is stored in /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager
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• 214[01:18:05] <HeXiLeD> thanks man :) done.
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• 216[01:18:12] <awal1> when you install fluxbox or any other WM, debian , via update-alternatives, selects it as the default, as I understand
• 217[01:18:45] <robotustra> does not mount it automatically, byt I see that the phone is detected in dmesg
• 218[01:18:48] <echosystm> how does sid compare to arch?
• 219[01:19:09] <echosystm> my understanding is that arch is "stable at any point in time" ie. if you installed arch today, it would be stable
• 220[01:19:10] <robotustra> how to mount it manually?
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• 222[01:19:46] <echosystm> sid seems more like... it could be totally broken at any point in time?
• 223[01:20:00] <echosystm> because it's bleeding edge developer packages
• 224[01:20:02] <dantheperson> Helllo
• 225[01:20:04] <awal1> but if you install openbox and fluxbox, I dont understand why update-alternatives choose openbox as default giving him a higher priority. maybe it's bcuz openbox provides x-session-manager too
• 226[01:20:21] <echosystm> ie. packages could be released broken with the intention of fixing in development etc.
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• 230[01:21:57] <awal1> maybe someone can clarify why :P
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• 235[01:23:35] <kevr> email systems are frustrating.
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• 237[01:24:10] <robotustra> thanks, problem solved
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• 240[01:24:46] <robotustra> I just changed the mode of connection to the phone as to the camera PTP
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• 242[01:25:17] <bazhang> great news
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• 283[01:45:40] <HeXiLeD> i am now looking into getting my usb radio to be able to use all 13 channels available . can someone confirm if this sintax is correct replaced-url
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• 358[02:28:59] <AlexPortable> how can i add crontab on reboot with bash?
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• 368[02:31:31] <zerick> AlexPortable: It's not clear what you want to achieve
• 369[02:31:47] <AlexPortable> zerick: adding cronjob from bash script
• 370[02:32:02] <odla> hi, i am using debian jessie and running xfce 4.10. i am using a macbook pro 9,2 and i want to change the command and the control key. i have looked online but i can't really find anything useful. any ideas?
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• 373[02:33:12] <zerick> AlexPortable: Googling outputs this: replaced-url
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• 376[02:33:47] <zerick> Anyway, Personally I would place cron files in /etc/cron.d/
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• 378[02:34:12] <zerick> it would be easy to put them using a Bash script or any other scripting language
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• 385[02:39:12] <AlexPortable> thx
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• 420[02:59:48] <AlexPortable> >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 34 <<< sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 34. sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting. sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin
• 421[03:00:01] <AlexPortable> how to fix?
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• 426[03:01:44] <AlexPortable> nvm got itd
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• 437[03:07:08] <pos> replaced-url
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• 439[03:08:28] <pos> great, since that vuln hasn't been around for a while and most certainly has not been exploited by anyone...
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• 450[03:11:54] <themill> pos: you'd have to work very very hard to exploit it -- this is not a simple buffer overflow.
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• 454[03:12:18] <themill> (all of these problems with InRelease could be solved by gpgv being less shit to work with)
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• 486[03:31:14] <unkmar> I'm unhappy.
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• 488[03:32:15] <unkmar> I'm reinstalling
• 489[03:32:31] <awal1> unkmar: what happens?
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• 538[04:03:28] <zhemor> hey guys, I've downloaded rtorrent to download some music and films, but i can't figure out how to start a download... look on internet but can't find jack..
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• 541[04:04:03] <zhemor> (start a download) or search for it..
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• 543[04:05:17] <DarkDepression> hello
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• 545[04:06:19] <awal1> ,v rtorrent
• 546[04:06:20] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2; sid: 0.9.6-2
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• 548[04:06:54] <zhemor> I'm running testing
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• 550[04:09:11] <dvs> !testing
• 551[04:09:11] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
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• 553[04:10:07] <squigz> so unstable is more unstable than testing?
• 554[04:10:30] <squigz> I thought testing was more unstabler
• 555[04:10:51] <zhemor> I think "stretch" is more stable than "sid"
• 556[04:11:26] <zhemor> I've only had debian for like two weeks now, so I don't know much about it...
• 557[04:11:35] <awal1> zhemor: testing branch is debian-next, but I guess your question is a general 1, not branch specific :P
• 558[04:12:16] <zhemor> I thought he asked what I was running... I didn't really understand -.-'
• 559[04:12:31] <zhemor> I'm not the quickest witted of man
• 560[04:12:52] <squigz> rtorrent is a torrent client. you need torrent files
• 561[04:12:57] <squigz> or you can add magnet links
• 562[04:13:11] <zhemor> I've installed "rtorrent"
• 563[04:13:18] <zhemor> ran it
• 564[04:13:34] <zhemor> But I can't figure out how to download something
• 565[04:13:37] <DarkDepression> calm urself lmao
• 566[04:13:41] <DarkDepression> do wget
• 567[04:13:45] <DarkDepression> then the link i think
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• 569[04:14:34] <zhemor> what link..
• 570[04:14:36] <squigz> Ah rtorrent is a CLI torrent
• 571[04:14:42] <squigz> you should probably read the documentation for it.
• 572[04:16:31] <DarkDepression> oh i wasnt reading u just said u cant download something
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• 575[04:17:50] <zhemor> I've done: "apt install rtorrent". It runs, but I don't know how to find torrents..
• 576[04:18:19] <squigz> have you already downloaded some torrents?
• 577[04:18:23] <zhemor> no
• 578[04:18:35] <squigz> Then maybe you should do that. And then read `man rtorrent`
• 579[04:18:41] <squigz> we won't be pointing you to any torrent sites...
• 580[04:19:21] <Richard_Cavell> Is there any information on what percentage of people run Debian inside a VM rather than on the metal?
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• 582[04:19:57] <DarkDepression> i just donwload them
• 583[04:20:02] <dvs> I will: replaced-url
• 584[04:20:19] <zhemor> ahh chears pall, I didn't know there was a manual for programms on the internet
• 585[04:20:39] <awal1> Richard_Cavell: what's your purpose with that info?
• 586[04:20:43] <zhemor> As I said <--- new guy
• 587[04:20:49] <awal1> just out of curiosity :P
• 588[04:21:16] <Richard_Cavell> awal1: I want to run Linux on a computer, and I'm going to buy the computer specifically for the purpose of running Linux. I can't decide whether to run in a VM.
• 589[04:21:31] <squigz> lol?
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• 591[04:21:56] <squigz> "What's that computer for" "It runs Linux. That's it"
• 592[04:22:11] <Richard_Cavell> I want to use Facebook, Twitter, gcc, clang, make, bash
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• 595[04:22:27] <CeBe> Richard_Cavell: why run it in a VM if it is the only system on that computer? that would not even work, you would need another system for the VM :)
• 596[04:22:46] <CeBe> *VM host I mean
• 597[04:22:47] <awal1> zhemor: try another torrent client with GUI frontend, something easy like deluge
• 598[04:23:09] <Richard_Cavell> Well, almost all computers come with Windows 10. I *know* Windows 10 is going to work. I just can't decide whether I want to run Linux in a VM.
• 599[04:23:17] <awal1> ,v deluge
• 600[04:23:18] <judd> Package: deluge on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; jessie: 1.3.10-3; stretch: 1.3.13-1; stretch: 1.3.13+git20161130.48cedf63-1; sid: 1.3.13+git20161130.48cedf63-1
• 601[04:23:20] <squigz> No, you don't.
• 602[04:23:27] <zhemor> awal1: I don't want to use any GUI
• 603[04:23:29] <squigz> Unless you want to use Windows as well, you don't want to run Linux in a VM
• 604[04:23:39] <awal1> zhemor: ok
• 605[04:23:41] <squigz> It would make absolutely no sense to do so anyway
• 606[04:24:04] <CeBe> Richard_Cavell: if you do not want to use that windows it ships with, you do not want a VM
• 607[04:24:11] <dvs> Richard_Cavell, you could repartition the computer to fit Linux on it's own partitions, but that's a bit tricky.
• 608[04:24:17] <awal1> zhemor: so start with man rtorrent
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• 610[04:24:48] <zhemor> awal1: I've got it open right now, it should point me in the right direction
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• 612[04:25:07] <awal1> zhemor: good luck
• 613[04:25:25] <zhemor> awal1: chears
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• 619[04:28:20] <zhemor> that moment when you read a manual... and you feel so dumb that you didn't know..
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• 621[04:29:34] <squigz> lol
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• 633[04:35:28] <lm_3> hi, I'm a communications student (non-techie) and I have a question on the GPL for an assignment, could some of you help me out?
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• 635[04:35:48] <lm_3> or direct me towards the appropriate ressources
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• 638[04:36:47] <squigz> lm_3: replaced-url
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• 641[04:36:59] <squigz> they are over on irc.gnu.org
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• 646[04:38:38] <lm_3> thanks
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• 653[04:40:52] <bash606> just curious apt said: 268 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 348 MB of archives. After this operation, 22.9 MB of additional disk space will be used. ... why does it need to download 1/3GB to upgrade 23MB?
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• 655[04:42:43] <squigz> bash606: Because it's upgrading packages. Some things will be removed, but 340MB of stuff will be changed
• 656[04:43:01] <dvs> bash606, because 23MB is the difference in size between the old and new packages.
• 657[04:44:27] <bash606> ah oke, the old packages already take up most of the space... makes sence, thanks..
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• 666[04:49:38] <bash606> distro update is running now... but keep getting the same error over and over again.... GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
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• 756[05:57:37] <Guest53325> what's the cause of bash no longer understanding arrow keys and tabs? this is happening on my VPS
• 757[05:58:07] <Guest53325> to shows `^[[A^[[A^[[D^[[D^[[C^[[C^[[B^[[B` and things when i use arrows
• 758[05:58:36] <Guest53325> tabs doesn't do auto complete, but a literal tab character
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• 762[05:59:42] <themill> wrong shell? dirty terminal? (try running `reset`)
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• 764[06:00:07] <Guest53325> no joy from reset
• 765[06:00:27] <Guest53325> ah, `bash` worked
• 766[06:00:31] <Guest53325> @themill thanks
• 767[06:00:45] <themill> sounds like you've got dash (sh) for your shell there
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• 879[07:28:45] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 929[07:59:41] <stripe> hi all, base install, no desktop jessie 8.6, trying to play audio via cmus, have installed pulseaudio backend, but still getting a "#failed to open mixer" error any ideas? thanks
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• 978[08:32:53] <trumprules> anyone here run a busy website on free software?
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• 995[08:37:20] <jelly> trumprules: lots of people in #web channel do
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• 999[08:38:03] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 1002[08:38:58] <trumprules> How can I get more hot women?
• 1003[08:39:04] <trumprules> thats my real question
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• 1066[09:09:45] <Zythyr> Need help. I am trying to compile the following code which is for Raspberry Pi. I don't physically have a Raspberry Pi, so I am trying to compile it in Debain vritual box. I get error that says bcm_host.h not found. How can I get this program to work on Debain? Note: I can't emulate RPi using QEMU because the program I am trying to compile doens't run properly in QEMU emulation. replaced-url
• 1067[09:09:46] <Zythyr> b.com/AndrewFromMelbourne/raspidmx
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• 1102[09:32:15] <Specialist> hi! any idea what may be causing loads of data to show up in /run/udev/data? (multiple GiB that eventually deplete the space on the underlying tmpfs) I have only a single system based on debian jessie on which that is happening. files are named +cgroup:anon_vma(*:*) or +cgroup:Acpi-Namespace(*:*)
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• 1152[09:56:16] <behemoth_> Gentoo is more secure Operating System than Debian.
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• 1222[10:26:11] <yellowfin> hi folks. if have a celeron mini pc is it going to struggle to drive a QHD monitor for web browsing and office tasks?
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• 1228[10:28:58] <bolt> probably not, if it's a modern one, the graphics card is supported, there's enough graphics memory and the display connector you're using supports qhd resolution
• 1229[10:29:11] <bolt> try.
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• 1232[10:30:19] <strk> why is /etc/environment not being read in my lightdm session ?
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• 1234[10:30:51] <strk> ssh localhost # results in a shell which does have the env defined in /etc/environment, but starting the xterm from the (mate) desktop does not
• 1235[10:31:03] <strk> the lightdm process itself does not have those variables set
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• 1237[10:31:44] <strk> the /etc/pam.d/lightdm* files have something like this:
• 1238[10:31:44] <strk> auth required pam_env.so envfile=/etc/default/locale
• 1239[10:31:48] <jelly> strk: that's the config file for pam_env PAM module. Does lightdm use PAM at all? Check under /etc/pam.d/
• 1240[10:31:50] <strk> with comment: # Load environment from /etc/environment and ~/.pam_environment
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• 1242[10:31:58] <strk> how do I check if lightdm uses PAM ?
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• 1248[10:32:28] <jelly> if the file exists by default that's a pretty sure sign it's at least _built_ to use it
• 1249[10:32:33] <strk> and, does the "envfile=/etc/default/local" parameter means it will *no* read /etc/environment as the comment states ?
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• 1251[10:33:52] <jelly> strk: correct. You ought to have a different line that loads pam_env with no envfile= parameter
• 1252[10:34:12] <strk> ok, confirmed
• 1253[10:34:22] <strk> thanks, so it looks like a bug in at least the comment
• 1254[10:34:27] <strk> should I report it ?
• 1255[10:34:39] <strk> I guess doing what the comment states would also be nice
• 1256[10:35:03] <jelly> [10:34] ~ => grep pam_env.so /etc/pam.d/sshd burek
• 1257[10:35:03] <jelly> session required pam_env.so # [1]
• 1258[10:35:03] <jelly> session required pam_env.so user_readenv=1 envfile=/etc/default/locale
• 1259[10:35:33] <jelly> strk: I guess it depends on whether the file was manually edited or not
• 1260[10:35:38] <strk> yep, ssh is good
• 1261[10:35:40] <strk> lightdm is not
• 1262[10:35:49] <strk> nor lightdm-autologin
• 1263[10:36:09] <strk> I believe I did not touch that file
• 1264[10:36:19] <strk> how do I apt-reconfigure to make sure ?
• 1265[10:36:37] * strk was not even aware of the existance of /etc/pam.d ...
• 1266[10:36:43] <jelly> so add the missing line, if that works, report the bug if it's not reported already. dpkg-reconfigure what?
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• 1274[10:38:47] <Pr0metheus> any idea if there is an alternative to strongswan for IKEv2 PEP cause strongswan requires the domain or IP of the vpn server to be in the root certificate, where in my case it is not included
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• 1277[10:39:59] <strk> confirmed, adding the line works jelly
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• 1313[11:02:30] <PaulePanter> Hi. There haven’t been any updates for my Debian Stretch/testing system in the last two days.
• 1314[11:02:50] <PaulePanter> Is there some kind of new phase in the Stretch release process?
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• 1318[11:04:53] <PaulePanter> replaced-url
• 1319[11:05:05] <PaulePanter> I guess it’s just a coincidence then.
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• 1372[11:19:39] <strk> /wc
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• 1412[11:37:04] <Aebian> is there a command available for getting the content a user see's from a webpage?
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• 1418[11:38:23] <nano_python> like downloading the .html/.php?
• 1419[11:38:36] <Pr0metheus> wget?
• 1420[11:39:27] <Aebian> wget does not work actually. I tried do download but its just downloads the websites index.html without the content just the website template
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• 1422[11:39:55] <nano_python> "content" would be the .html
• 1423[11:39:59] <bolt> Aebian: what do you expect?
• 1424[11:40:04] <nano_python> are you looking for the css also?
• 1425[11:40:04] <Aebian> a link example would be wget replaced-url
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• 1427[11:40:09] <FinalX> you could have to log in as that user to get what that user sees.
• 1428[11:40:12] <FinalX> would*
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• 1430[11:40:31] <Aebian> no I just want the content, like the gist raw thing for e.g.
• 1431[11:40:46] <bolt> Aebian: perhaps you want "lynx -dump"?
• 1432[11:40:51] <FinalX> if that uses http basic auth, you can supply username/password, but more often than not, it doesn't, plus you'd have to do a log in first and then continue to download the page you wanted to check. i use python scripts to scrape info behind such sites.
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• 1435[11:41:20] <FinalX> curl -o <file> <url>
• 1436[11:41:20] <bolt> Aebian: what is "the content"? images? text loaded via javascript and a websocket?
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• 1440[11:41:51] <jelly> Aebian: what you see in the browser as "content" may actually be generated from dozens of http queries and megabytes of javascript code running in the browser
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• 1442[11:42:13] <jelly> pretty much the opposite or raw source
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• 1444[11:43:09] <Aebian> well in my case I would like to get just the user pasted code from kopy.io that is behind the link
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• 1463[11:52:47] <jelly> you may have to use a javascript(DOM) capable tool
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• 1465[11:53:02] <jelly> there are scriptable "browsers" like that
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• 1468[11:55:21] <bolt> Aebian: if you analyze that page, you'll see there's a javascript that makes an additional call to get the content
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• 1470[11:55:48] <bolt> Aebian: for my test on kopy.io/Vtuwv it gets the content from kopy.io/documents/Vtuwv
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• 1474[11:58:03] <Aebian> bolt: thanks that works!
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• 1479[12:00:34] <echosystm> hi guys
• 1480[12:00:48] <echosystm> when tun0 comes up (openvpn), it becomes my default interface
• 1481[12:00:53] <echosystm> how can i stop that from happening?
• 1482[12:01:12] <echosystm> i want to route other traffic through it, but not the traffic of the box itself
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• 1489[12:03:14] <petn-randall> echosystm: It is because there will be a default route set that replaces your current one.
• 1490[12:03:24] <echosystm> how do i stop that?
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• 1494[12:03:42] <afx_> Hello ! Is there a way I can check why I get slow boots randomly ? I have used systemd-analyze blame and this gives 5-6 sec to NetworkManager-wait-online.service . I have masked it with but I am still getting same boot slow boot times
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• 1496[12:05:24] <petn-randall> echosystm: You can either configure the openvpn server to not push the default route, or tell your client to not set it.
• 1497[12:05:35] <echosystm> cool
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• 1499[12:05:43] <echosystm> so this would just be in the opencpn config?
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• 1501[12:06:16] <echosystm> would that stop traffic from being routed through it at all?
• 1502[12:06:26] <petn-randall> echosystm: Yes. Maybe your client config explicitely sets it, you should check.
• 1503[12:06:28] <echosystm> ie. the network will still be in my routing table right, just not the default route?
• 1504[12:06:34] <petn-randall> echosystm: right
• 1505[12:06:37] <echosystm> awesome
• 1506[12:06:38] <echosystm> thanks
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• 1556[12:34:13] <julius> hi
• 1557[12:34:26] <julius> is there a way to check which package needs package x as dependency?
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• 1570[12:40:11] <mrrhq> julius: apt-cache depends x and apt-cache rdepends x
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• 1594[12:49:54] <julius> mrrhq, ah nice
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• 1596[12:51:01] <julius> so wouldnt it make sense to test each of the packets that are kept back with this command, and if there are no other packets depending on it to install it and not hold it back=
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• 1607[12:55:43] <petn-randall> !tell julius -about crosspost
• 1608[12:56:14] <petn-randall> dpkg: ping
• 1609[12:56:14] <dpkg> Yes, petn-randall, you are online.
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• 1618[12:58:23] <julius> petn-randall, yes sorry...this was the wrong channel. to many open servers in hexchat, got confused
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• 1674[13:24:19] <TReK> can someone say me somthing about this syslog? the raspberry hangs at this time until i restart him new replaced-url
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• 1679[13:26:16] <wlan3> Hello, I need a lazy way to have some remote multiuser graphical desktop, any suggestions?
• 1680[13:26:23] <jelly> TReK: you have actual debian there or raspbian? If raspbian ask in #raspbian
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• 1682[13:26:48] <jelly> nothing obvious on the screenshots
• 1683[13:26:49] <TReK> raspian
• 1684[13:26:56] <TReK> okay
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• 1752[14:00:20] <smeert> hey guys
• 1753[14:00:25] <smeert> quick question
• 1754[14:00:35] <smeert> should i install debian on ssd or hdd on a server?
• 1755[14:00:46] <smeert> ssd is faster but limited in size. basically a fileserver
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• 1758[14:02:06] <Mathisen> smeert, i would also consider how important info you gonna store there.. SSD fails = HARD to recover info hdd fails = usaly early warning signs or easy to recover some info
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• 1760[14:02:13] <Mathisen> i would do raid for ssd if important info
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• 1762[14:02:57] <Hello71> god-awful advice
• 1763[14:03:01] <Hello71> RAID IS NOT A BACKUP
• 1764[14:03:04] <petn-randall> Mathisen: RAID is not a replacement for backups. It just ensures uptime in the event of some types of failures.
• 1765[14:03:14] <Mathisen> yes i know that
• 1766[14:03:15] <smeert> both are raid
• 1767[14:03:26] <smeert> but not sure which one to install the OS
• 1768[14:03:30] <flashdel> hi folks! I got a question regardin openssl version 1.0.1. The site openssl.org says, that security fixes only will be applied to 1.0.1 until 2016-12-31. How does debian handle this? Will security updates and fixes still be applied for this version in debian wheezy?
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• 1770[14:03:57] <petn-randall> flashdel: yes, it will still be supported for the lifecyle of wheezy.
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• 1772[14:04:09] <Hello71> furthermore, if you only use SSD for OS (and update on a reasonable schedule), the drive is unlikely to ever fail
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• 1775[14:04:23] <Hello71> OS updates just don't use enough writes
• 1776[14:04:48] <flashdel> petn-randall: cool, thats helpful! is that documented somewhere?
• 1777[14:04:50] <smeert> SSD is for files which need omre speed
• 1778[14:05:10] <smeert> spinning drives are basically for storage of bigger files
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• 1780[14:05:31] <petn-randall> SSDs are great for random I/O like typical database loads.
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• 1782[14:05:40] <smeert> Just not sure should i install the OS on the SSD or HDD
• 1783[14:05:52] <smeert> not sure how much OS will initally take space
• 1784[14:05:57] <smeert> and i could move /var/log to HDD
• 1785[14:06:20] <petn-randall> flashdel: replaced-url
• 1786[14:06:36] <smeert> any ideas?
• 1787[14:06:39] <smeert> or thoughts
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• 1790[14:07:37] <petn-randall> smeert: Server install is typically < 1 GB. So unless they're tiny SSDs, put it on there.
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• 1793[14:08:11] <petn-randall> smeert: I'd have something like 15-20GB for the rootfs, unless you're tight on space.
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• 1796[14:08:38] <menatu> heya
• 1797[14:09:07] <smeert> it will basically only have samba
• 1798[14:09:34] <menatu> I recently purchased a new laptop, an asus rog, and was wondering if anyone had similar touchpad issues? Currently atempting to resolve said issues
• 1799[14:10:07] <menatu> (issues: touchpad isn't working whatsoever), attempted to get the synaptics drivers as that solved it on my previous laptops
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• 1805[14:11:53] <menatu> oh and fyi, my usb mouse works perfectly so that's my current "workaround".
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• 1807[14:13:36] <ByteStorm> menatu, check the touchpad hardware supplied on the laptop and compare it with the list of supported hardwares in debian.org
• 1808[14:13:57] <menatu> sounds good, thank you for your quick reply
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• 1810[14:15:01] <ByteStorm> you probably hav to install some non-free drivers from the non-free/contrib sections of your release...aka jessie or such
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• 1813[14:16:53] <menatu> that seems likely, I already had to get the non-free stuff for my wireless for example so I can imagine needing additional software
• 1814[14:17:09] <menatu> I'm heading out but I'll be back shortly, I'll keep you posted, thanks again
• 1815[14:17:11] <ByteStorm> replaced-url
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• 1818[14:18:12] <menatu> Oh yeah I was checking that url earlier but it lists "touchpad not working" for the one I picked
• 1819[14:18:30] <ByteStorm> yes,you have to search debian.org
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• 1821[14:18:41] <menatu> I'm guessing the "ROG G752VM-GC006T" was the closest to my current one
• 1822[14:18:46] <menatu> yup, will do
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• 1824[14:19:35] <ByteStorm> also if you know your laptop model then search for your models support in ubuntu(any latest one) and find the kernel drivers for it if presented
• 1825[14:19:58] <ByteStorm> and check which version of the kernel supports those drivers
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• 1828[14:20:21] <ByteStorm> depending on tht,you may have to think something up
• 1829[14:20:25] <menatu> thank you, I'll brb but I'll keep you posted
• 1830[14:20:31] <menatu> o/
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• 1832[14:20:48] <ByteStorm> i may not be present,you will find others here too
• 1833[14:21:16] <menatu> sounds good, thanks again though
• 1834[14:21:26] <ByteStorm> ok
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• 1863[14:36:51] <smeert> any reasons why i cant change my partition as bootable?
• 1864[14:36:55] <smeert> partition /
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• 1867[14:37:32] <jelly> smeert: what difference would it make?
• 1868[14:37:39] <smeert> to get it boot from it?
• 1869[14:37:54] <roelj> Is there a mentor available to help me with creating a Debian package?
• 1870[14:37:55] <jelly> doesn't work that way
• 1871[14:37:59] <smeert> oh
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• 1875[14:38:25] <jelly> that bootable flag thing hasn't been really useful since DOS days
• 1876[14:38:29] <petn-randall> smeert: That's not needed. Either you have UEFI partition with grub in it, or you have grub written in your boot sector. Either way, that flag is irrelevant for the boot process.
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• 1878[14:38:42] <jelly> (except with some REALLY weird BIOSes)
• 1879[14:38:49] <smeert> its a software raid which im instlaling into
• 1880[14:39:13] <LostSoul> Hi
• 1881[14:39:24] <LostSoul> I've migrated xen to kvm
• 1882[14:39:37] <bolt> good job
• 1883[14:39:37] <LostSoul> After that I have problem with my network connection from time to time
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• 1886[14:40:10] <smeert> how does it know where to boot from then?
• 1887[14:40:29] <smeert> i actually did try to install it once already and it did not boot from anything
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• 1890[14:41:54] <LostSoul> replaced-url
• 1891[14:42:01] <LostSoul> a) it has strange bond0?
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• 1893[14:42:14] <LostSoul> b) eth0 is in UNKNOWN state (when network is for like 99% of time)
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• 1896[14:43:25] <LostSoul> In interfaces I only have eth0 configured
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• 1903[14:46:54] <smeert> yeahm its not booting
• 1904[14:47:12] <petn-randall> smeert: If you have UEFI, it loads from the ESP (EFI system partition), if you use legacy BIOS it'll execute code from your boot sector.
• 1905[14:47:21] <petn-randall> smeert: How did you install the system that it doesn't boot?
• 1906[14:47:29] <smeert> from usb
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• 1908[14:48:04] <petn-randall> smeert: Did you install grub in the last step?
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• 1911[14:50:42] <smeert> just normal install
• 1912[14:51:45] <petn-randall> smeert: Ok, so the installer does all kind of things in steps. One of the last steps was installing grub. Did that happen or not?
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• 1916[14:56:16] <smeert> it did not ask even where to install it
• 1917[14:56:22] <smeert> i mean grub
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• 1921[14:59:37] <smeert> it did not let me make a bootable partition at all
• 1922[14:59:39] <smeert> which was weid
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• 1939[15:11:10] <petn-randall> smeert: What did tools you use to create the usb installer?
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• 1941[15:11:42] <petn-randall> smeert: Again, no bootable partition involved anywhere
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• 2005[15:41:39] <jhutchins> !fixgrub
• 2006[15:41:39] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 2224[16:54:48] <random_numbers> Hey there, is there something like freeBSD's 'pkg audit -F' for debian?
• 2225[16:55:17] <rudi_s> random_numbers: What does pkg audit -F do?
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• 2227[16:55:52] <jhutchins> random_numbers: What does freeBSD's 'pkg audit F' do?
• 2228[16:55:56] <random_numbers> It shows a list of vulnerabilities related to installed programs or a specific package, and can do so recursively (depends on a vulnerable library, for example)
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• 2232[16:56:21] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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• 2235[16:56:32] <rudi_s> random_numbers: There's debsecan.
• 2236[16:56:36] <random_numbers> replaced-url
• 2237[16:56:39] <abrotman> dpkg: tell random_numbers about tracker of doom
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• 2240[16:57:10] <abrotman> dpkg: tell random_numbers about debsecan
• 2241[16:57:14] <jhutchins> random_numbers: The only thing I've seen for regular Linux are the audits run by big security firms. I believe there are audits you can run, but they're often useless (too many false positives).
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• 2246[16:58:11] <jhutchins> random_numbers: Better practice is to subcribe to the mailing list and keep up with replaced-url
• 2247[16:58:16] <random_numbers> Hm. Possible. It's not that exhaustive on freeBSD either. But it's good to know when something depends on a library that has unpatched vulns.
• 2248[16:58:36] <random_numbers> jhutchins: I'm subscribed, but I don't necessarily know if I missed anything in the past.
• 2249[16:58:41] <jhutchins> random_numbers: I think freeBSD tends to move more slowly and take longer to address issues.
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• 2251[16:58:53] <jhutchins> random_numbers: Hence the web page.
• 2252[16:59:11] <random_numbers> jhutchins: Possible, they have less manpower.
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• 2260[17:00:57] <random_numbers> Well, thanks for the information.
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• 2347[17:30:08] <random_numbers> I'm getting output from 2012, despite the fact that I am up to date on upgrades/updates. Am I misusing debsecan?
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• 2378[17:40:51] <dfz> anyone here used Areca Raid controllers with Debian 6/7? i am looking to expand my storage on one of my servers and was thinking about ditching the 3ware/lsi and going with Areca for the next storage pool
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• 2381[17:42:44] <jhutchins> dfz: Most raid controllers are supported by linux. You might check their website to see if they supply drivers or anything.
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• 2385[17:44:09] <dfz> jhutchins: yeah, areca is fully supported for many distros i was just curious if anyone had good / bad experience with them
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• 2423[17:58:14] <random_numbers> so, 'debsecan --suite jessie' gives me ~1500 lines, and it lists stuff that I definitely have upgraded a while ago. Is it having problem getting my dpkg status automatically?
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• 2486[18:24:44] <choice> Hello! What is a good way to test if a harddisk is broken or still good?
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• 2496[18:28:01] <jhutchins> choice: smartmontools; also look in dmesg and syslog, see if there are errors reported. Also fsck and badblocks.
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• 2498[18:28:47] <choice> Well, I can only boot into a bootable usb drive. So I guess dmesg and syslog will not have anything.
• 2499[18:29:02] <choice> I want to know if the disk is broken or if it is good enough to install linux in it.
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• 2501[18:29:19] <choice> Any way to say "check the whole disk please and tell me if its ok"?
• 2502[18:29:30] <choice> Any command line tools that do that?
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• 2504[18:30:07] <petn-randall> choice: check the man page to smartctl. There should be an option for a long selftest.
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• 2506[18:30:46] <petn-randall> choice: That is a non-destructive read test via SMART. You can use badblock to write certain patterns on the drive to check if it still reads out as the same.
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• 2527[18:40:55] <choice> petn-randall: I tried fsck /dev/sda
• 2528[18:41:00] <choice> Third line of the output says "ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block"
• 2529[18:41:03] <choice> I don't need any data from the HD. I just want to wipe it and install linux.
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• 2531[18:41:44] <petn-randall> choice: READ what I said. I never mentioned fsck. It doesn't even make sense when there's no filesystem on it.
• 2532[18:42:09] <petn-randall> choice: 'man smartctl', 'man badblocks'.
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• 2537[18:43:42] <jhutchins> choice: You asked a very general question without giving any details; I gave you a pretty broad answer that covers a lot of cases. smart is probably the best first step.
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• 2539[18:44:17] <jhutchins> choice: Another good way to test the drive would be to run the debian installer and then verify the installation.
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• 2545[18:45:40] <choice> jhutchins: I tried. I was hanging at one of the first steps.
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• 2547[18:45:52] <choice> Even before it started to install anything.
• 2548[18:46:21] <jhutchins> choice: You could try creating a filesystem on it, that does some basic checks.
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• 2551[18:47:13] <choice> jhutchins: I am trying to fill it with zeros atm.
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• 2554[18:47:36] <choice> Progress is super slow. 1.4GB since 5 minutes ago.
• 2555[18:47:47] <choice> 6.0 MB/s
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• 2558[18:49:52] <choice> jhutchins: Which one should I create? ext4?
• 2559[18:50:28] <Bonn333> choice: hi
• 2560[18:50:38] <choice> Bonn333: hello
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• 2610[19:13:45] <jhutchins> choice: DOesn't really matter. Any of the ext systems will do a minor check.
• 2611[19:14:08] <jhutchins> choice: If the installer failed it could just be a bad image of the installer.
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• 2615[19:15:41] <choice> jhutchins: Well the computer started to fail under windows too. And dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda makes strange noises and progresses with 2MB/s after a while.
• 2616[19:15:45] <choice> So I think the Disk is bad.
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• 2619[19:16:44] <choice> I think I will try this: fsck.ext4 -ccDfty -C 0 /dev/sda
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• 2623[19:18:57] <petn-randall> jhutchins: Why make a filesystem? A successful filesystem check proves nothing.
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• 2626[19:19:24] <choice> petn-randall: With -c it will I think.
• 2627[19:19:24] <petn-randall> choice: PLEASE use smartctl to check the state of your drive. This is THE tool to check the health of HDDs.
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• 2630[19:19:39] <choice> petn-randall: What would be the command?
• 2631[19:19:55] <random_numbers> smartctl -t short /dev/id
• 2632[19:20:05] <choice> ok, lets see...
• 2633[19:20:24] <random_numbers> Then if nothing's wrong, you should do a 'long' test for better reliability of the information.
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• 2635[19:20:43] <abrotman> strange noises? like PING/PONG?
• 2636[19:21:03] <random_numbers> Ah... you might want to read up on how to read SMART values or use gsmartcontrol (which has built-in explanations).
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• 2638[19:21:27] <random_numbers> smartctl has the advantage of not requiring X.
• 2639[19:21:28] <petn-randall> choice: I already told you what to look up, you ignored that.
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• 2645[19:22:39] <choice> abrotman: like "krrrk krrrk krrrk"
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• 2647[19:22:53] <abrotman> like a drive head being dragged across your data ...
• 2648[19:23:14] <abrotman> oh, maybe it's a 5.25" floppy drive, and that's normal?!
• 2649[19:23:17] <random_numbers> Not necessarily. Some harddrives have noisy motors too.
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• 2653[19:23:29] <choice> petn-randall: Hmm.. the command immediately exited and said it will complete in a minute...
• 2654[19:23:35] <random_numbers> I have a bunch of cheap ones that did a ridiculous amount of noise from the get go (new).
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• 2656[19:24:00] <random_numbers> Yeah, in a minute you run 'smartctl /dev/id -a | less' (or whatever pager you prefer)
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• 2658[19:24:14] <choice> I think I should have added a -C
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• 2672[19:30:01] <random_numbers> choice: Ah, yeah, that's an option to. I don't because I just end up backgrounding the task anyway.
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• 2675[19:30:56] <choice> petn-randall, random_numbers: so here is the result: "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED".
• 2676[19:31:39] <choice> Should I run the long version?
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• 2678[19:31:47] <random_numbers> That's already a good start. Read up the values and check how many are approaching the threshold value.
• 2679[19:32:07] <choice> random_numbers: What do you mean?
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• 2681[19:32:48] <random_numbers> The way it works is that the 'worst' value is the worst that specific value ever got as far as getting close to the threshold goes. The value is the normalized value.
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• 2683[19:32:57] <random_numbers> The threshold is what tells you that that specific test is failing.
• 2684[19:33:02] <choice> I see.
• 2685[19:33:10] <choice> The worst are all way worse then THRESH
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• 2688[19:33:17] <random_numbers> Nah, higher is good.
• 2689[19:33:27] <random_numbers> Lower or equal means migrate the data and change disk asap.
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• 2691[19:34:17] <random_numbers> Here's a nice-enough guide: replaced-url
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• 2693[19:35:21] <choice> Here are the values: replaced-url
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• 2696[19:35:59] <choice> So long run or this? fsck.ext4 -ccDfty -C 0 /dev/sda
• 2697[19:36:17] <greycat> how is /dev/sda a valid partition...
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• 2699[19:36:34] <choice> oh yeah i guess i have to partition it first.
• 2700[19:36:36] <random_numbers> greycat: Actually, you'd be testing the whole drive.
• 2701[19:36:37] <choice> gparted?
• 2702[19:36:40] <greycat> or does one of those alphabet soup options mean "do every partition"?
• 2703[19:36:54] <choice> nope
• 2704[19:37:00] <random_numbers> SMART values are not partition-aware as far as I know.
• 2705[19:37:11] <greycat> But fsck.ext4 is.
• 2706[19:37:14] <petn-randall> Why check an empty ext4 partition? It will only check maybe 1% of the disk. I've already said this is a waste of time.
• 2707[19:37:36] <choice> petn-randall: Well, whats the next step now?
• 2708[19:37:40] <choice> gparted hangs...
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• 2712[19:38:39] <random_numbers> choice: Your harddrive currently doesn't seem to be failing, I'd run the longer test.
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• 2714[19:39:04] <choice> random_numbers: Isnt a hanging gparted an indicator that its failing?
• 2715[19:39:46] <random_numbers> choice: Not sure, I don't know gparted enough, I do most of my stuff via 'parted'.
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• 2717[19:40:04] <choice> Now it says something. "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes but linux says it is 512 bytes".
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• 2722[19:41:28] <random_numbers> That does have to do with how the data will get fragmented, but as far as I can remember, filesystem block sizes doesn't have to be the same as the drive's.
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• 2725[19:42:42] <choice> Ok, I think I will run the long test first.
• 2726[19:42:54] <choice> Like this? smartctl -t long -C /dev/sda
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• 2728[19:43:28] <random_numbers> Yeah, though that'll keep that terminal busy for something like an hour or two. (Probably a lot less for SSDs)
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• 2730[19:43:55] <choice> Ok. It's a HD.
• 2731[19:44:15] <choice> Hope it will show some progress bar or something.
• 2732[19:44:28] <random_numbers> choice: Having never used '-C', I don't really know.
• 2733[19:45:48] <random_numbers> Ah, okay yeah.
• 2734[19:46:08] <random_numbers> Read the smartctl manual for the '-C' option before doing a long test in captive. It can be problematic.
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• 2736[19:47:13] <choice> Why?
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• 2739[19:47:52] <choice> Funky, it exited despite the -C option
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• 2742[19:48:30] <random_numbers> Something about certain types of drives filling up their I/O during captive testing and thus it being recommended to only be done on drives with no mounted partitions.
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• 2746[19:49:12] <choice> Yeah, there is no partition mounted. There isn't even a partition in the first place.
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• 2749[19:49:32] <choice> I'm not sure what captive mode is now. I thought it would show progress and tell me when it's finished.
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• 2756[19:51:04] <choice> Now I am completely lost where to look for the progress and the result.
• 2757[19:52:01] <random_numbers> The '-a' command for the results.
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• 2759[19:52:21] <random_numbers> gsmartcontrol does show progress, but it's requires xorg (and gtk, I think)
• 2760[19:52:27] <choice> random_numbers: It shows me the results of the short tast as far as I can tell.
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• 2779[19:58:42] <choice> As far as I can tell, the long test exited with "Interrupted (host reset)". But it's hard to tell from all the mumbo jumbo.
• 2780[19:58:52] <petn-randall> choice: You can run the long selftest and show us the output of 'smartctl -a /dev/<device>' after that. And you can also use badblocks afterwards to verify the disk with destructive write tests.
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• 2782[19:59:43] <choice> Ok. I installed gsmartcontrol. It keeps saying the test completion is at 10%. Im a bit sceptical that that is true.
• 2783[19:59:51] <choice> Oh, it exited.
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• 2785[20:00:07] <choice> "Completed with read failure"
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• 2787[20:00:26] <random_numbers> Okay... check your attributes.
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• 2792[20:01:18] <random_numbers> Also, given choice already has an ext4 partition on it, wouldn't it make sense to use e2fsck with the '-c' flag?
• 2793[20:01:24] <petn-randall> choice: you can show us the output of 'smartctl -a /dev/<device>' now. → replaced-url
• 2794[20:01:30] <random_numbers> s/partition/filesystem/
• 2795[20:01:45] <petn-randall> random_numbers: WHAT SENSE does it make to fsck an empty partition??
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• 2797[20:01:50] <choice> petn-randall: I am a bit worried there might be sensitive data in there.
• 2798[20:01:59] <random_numbers> petn-randall: Not having to manually deal with blocksizes?
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• 2800[20:02:38] <petn-randall> random_numbers: For what? choice doesn't want to know if the empty filesystem is correct, they want to know if the HDD is ok.
• 2801[20:02:51] <petn-randall> random_numbers: What does block sizes have to do with anything?
• 2802[20:03:15] <random_numbers> petn-randall: Having never used badblock by itself, I presumed the flag was required for execution.
• 2803[20:03:22] <petn-randall> choice: The only thing unique might be the serial number. Feel free to censor that.
• 2804[20:03:36] <choice> petn-randall: Well, it's a gazillion lines.
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• 2806[20:03:49] <choice> It also has all the shit from the short test.
• 2807[20:03:55] <petn-randall> choice: copy/paste should work?
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• 2810[20:04:20] <random_numbers> or just 'smartctl /dev/sda -a | xclip -selection clipboard' if you have xclip installed.
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• 2813[20:04:54] <choice> ok...
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• 2815[20:05:29] <random_numbers> Assuming you're running xorg. Otherwise the selection is 'primary', most likely.
• 2816[20:05:42] <random_numbers> I... don't actually know what happens if you're running wayland.
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• 2821[20:07:09] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
• 2822[20:07:10] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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• 2824[20:07:27] <petn-randall> choice: You can also use it like this ^^^.
• 2825[20:07:43] <random_numbers> That's certainly an option, and more straight-forward.
• 2826[20:07:43] <petn-randall> choice: 'smartctl /dev/sda -a | pastebinit'
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• 2831[20:08:18] <choice> Here we go: replaced-url
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• 2836[20:10:56] <random_numbers> Btw, you value 1 dropped four points from last time you tested. I'd say check for bad blocks, but that device seems to be failing.
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• 2840[20:11:56] <choice> random_numbers: Just type "badblocks"?
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• 2843[20:12:33] <random_numbers> choice: I guess. Though one's a description of a problem while the other's a utility to keep said problem in check...
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• 2846[20:13:21] <choice> SSomehow I think that "mkfs.ext4 -c /dev/sda" will do the badblocks thing and creat a filesystem in one go.
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• 2848[20:13:39] <random_numbers> Yeah don't use it, you don't have data on that drive so it's unnecessary.
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• 2850[20:13:49] <choice> But afterwards I could use it.
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• 2855[20:14:16] <choice> Wikipedia says: "A more common use case is the invocation of badblocks as part of e2fsck when passing the option "-c" to scan for bad blocks and prevent data from being stored on these blocks."
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• 2857[20:14:59] <choice> Is ext4 the right choice for a small laptop? Or will ext2 be faster?
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• 2860[20:15:58] <random_numbers> choice: ext2 is non-journaling, so it will probably be somewhat faster. However, that has downsides.
• 2861[20:16:08] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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• 2863[20:16:19] <choice> I guess I have to make a partition first.
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• 2866[20:17:00] <random_numbers> It seems to be good practice to do so. I've never actually looked up why.
• 2867[20:17:10] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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• 2869[20:17:25] <choice> random_numbers: What is good practice?
• 2870[20:17:37] <random_numbers> choice: Making partitions.
• 2871[20:17:58] <choice> Is that sarcasm? (I'm in Germany. We do not have humor here)
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• 2875[20:18:26] <random_numbers> Nah, it wasn't. The part about not knowing why exactly, that's true as well.
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• 2880[20:19:55] <choice> What type of partition table should I create?
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• 2883[20:20:06] <choice> msdos?
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• 2885[20:20:20] <greycat> GPT unless you are planning to use the disk in some obsolete computer
• 2886[20:20:26] <random_numbers> That's the master-boot-record. If you plan on using it on legacy windows systems, yeah, otherwise gpt.
• 2887[20:20:52] <choice> Ok, I will try gpt.
• 2888[20:20:58] <choice> greycat: its a toshiba nb510.
• 2889[20:21:24] <choice> "input/output error during write on /dev/sda"
• 2890[20:21:33] <choice> Well, if I cannot create a partition table...
• 2891[20:21:38] <random_numbers> replaced-url
• 2892[20:23:18] <choice> So I think I will give up on this drive.
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• 2896[20:23:48] <random_numbers> choice: Yeah. I'd run badblocks and further SMART read up as a matter of curiosity more than anything at this point.
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• 2903[20:25:10] <choice> Nah, I'm done :)
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• 2906[20:25:23] <choice> If I cannot create a partition table, I see no way forward.
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• 2908[20:25:35] <choice> Thanks for all your help guys!!
• 2909[20:25:45] <jhutchins> choice: I think it's time to cut your losses and just get another drive.
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• 2913[20:25:58] <random_numbers> At least you tested before trying to get data on it.
• 2914[20:25:59] <ws2k3> is there a tool i could use on linux to to a wget/curl every second and monitor howmany timeout's i get ? maby in procentage?
• 2915[20:26:00] <jhutchins> choice: You could get an ssd - you'll enjoy the performance.
• 2916[20:26:12] <choice> This is the laptop of a friend of mine. I think I will give her one of my old 2.5inch hard drives. I have some laying around.
• 2917[20:26:29] <jhutchins> choice: Yeah, that beats spending any more time with it.
• 2918[20:26:45] <random_numbers> choice: Check it beforehand just to see if lying around idle for however many years didn't hurt it too much.
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• 2921[20:26:55] <random_numbers> SMART testing should be a good start.
• 2922[20:26:56] <choice> Is it safe to give away a HD after doing "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda"? Will that wipe each and every bit on the physical disk?
• 2923[20:27:17] <random_numbers> choice: Sure. If you're paranoid you could also source from /dev/urandom
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• 2926[20:27:50] <choice> random_numbers: Yeah.. I'm not that paranoid. I never heard of a real world case where data was recovered after zeroing it.
• 2927[20:28:29] <random_numbers> Lab trials are few for such a thing and real-world applications are likely classified.
• 2928[20:28:31] <random_numbers> replaced-url
• 2929[20:29:19] <choice> Wouldnt data stay in bad blocks? If a block is marked bad, will it still be reached by dd?
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• 2931[20:30:02] <random_numbers> Huh. archlinux says that destructive badblock checking can be used for wiping. I don't see a reason that wouldn't work. It would also allow you to be sure the drive is good before giving it away.
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• 2933[20:30:28] <choice> Oh fuck, that archlinux page says that bad blocks really keep data that is impossible to wipe.
• 2934[20:30:48] <random_numbers> If a few KBs leaked is a problem, you might have wanted to use FDE.
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• 2936[20:31:21] <random_numbers> Especially since info stuck in bad blocks is hardly recoverable without specialized equipment.
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• 2938[20:31:46] <choice> random_numbers: FDE is fine for the moment, but not for eternity. Attacks on encryption methods are developed all the time.
• 2939[20:32:05] <random_numbers> choice: Yeah, but that's why you try to do a final wipe before throwing any drive away.
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• 2941[20:32:17] <choice> random_numbers: But you *cannot* wipe all data.
• 2942[20:32:25] <marus> why dd if=input.iso of=output.iso dosn't work every time also i changed the bs value also
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• 2944[20:32:30] <choice> random_numbers: The stuff in bad blocks is not reachable.
• 2945[20:33:00] <random_numbers> Recovering actual files from a few kilobytes, encrypted ones, would be pretty hard. You wouldn't have context to even know what kind of file it used to be, since everything around was wiped.
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• 2947[20:33:52] <random_numbers> Also, legal proceedings have timeouts. That's what one with less-than-legal intents would use encryption for. Delay for long enough and it doesn't matter anymore.
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• 2950[20:34:08] <choice> random_numbers: But what if those few kbs have ascii text in them like "...replaced-url
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• 2953[20:35:02] <random_numbers> You're meant to change your passwords from time to time. And if you have reason to believe they've been leaked, software like keepassx makes changing them a minor pain.
• 2954[20:35:12] <dnssoul> is it possible to install kernel 4.9.0.0 in debian jessie and still receive all updates ?
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• 2957[20:35:38] <greycat> ,kernels
• 2958[20:35:39] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.7-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
• 2959[20:35:40] <choice> Ok, enought nerdery for today. Thanks again everybody! Have a great day!
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• 2961[20:35:45] <greycat> Nope. Not yet.
• 2962[20:35:58] <random_numbers> The main point of encryption not based on one-time-pads is that data will be obsolete before it's decrypted...
• 2963[20:36:00] <random_numbers> and he left.
• 2964[20:36:21] <dnssoul> they have a device called yuba key that uses a fingerprint to store all your posswords on the usb device its compatible with many different operating systems and password managers not to mention universal access
• 2965[20:36:27] <dnssoul> $40 USD
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• 2969[20:37:24] <random_numbers> I'm not sure I'd trust some proprietary usb donglet.
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• 2972[20:37:33] <dnssoul> for those experimental kernels can i install the highest amd64 compatible and still receive security and system updates ?
• 2973[20:37:45] <random_numbers> Especially one meant to store sensitive information, cheaply.
• 2974[20:38:02] <dnssoul> its endorsed as a All Rights Reserved Trademark and fully functional in linux and windows more than mac os x.
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• 2977[20:38:46] <greycat> You can install any kernel you think you can make work, but you will not receive updates for it.
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• 2979[20:38:51] <dnssoul> for last query referencing experimental kernels can i meant it to apply to debian jessie
• 2980[20:39:00] <dnssoul> thanks :D
• 2981[20:39:03] <somiaj> dnssoul: what version of debian are you running?
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• 2983[20:39:38] <dnssoul> i' m going to be installing debian jessie 8 non-free iso because non-free is paid for and legal in USA with the Desktop Environment of Cinnamon.
• 2984[20:39:40] <somiaj> dnssoul: if you want security updates, you want to stick to the offical jessie kernel. Backport kernels don't recive timely security updates, and experiemtnail kernels are not deisgned to be installed in jessie (though many cases they might)
• 2985[20:39:57] <somiaj> dnssoul: non-free has nothing to do with 'for pay', it is all about the DSFG
• 2986[20:40:14] <dnssoul> if i get a experimental kernel in debian jessie and i still get jessie 8 security updates does it break anything typicaly ?
• 2987[20:40:29] <somiaj> anything in debian non-free is leagal for debian to distribute and for a user to install. It is just the code doens't satisfy the DSFG
• 2988[20:40:35] <greycat> The kernel is pretty much standalone. You'll continue to get updates for everything else.
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• 2991[20:40:48] <greycat> Your custom-installed kernel will not be supported, so you'll have to manage that on your own.
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• 2994[20:40:55] <somiaj> dnssoul: I would use a jessie-backports kernel over an experimential one, but that is just me.
• 2995[20:40:57] <random_numbers> You can get proprietary firmware in non-free, iirc, but a lot is due to DSFG.
• 2996[20:41:30] <ompaul> !experimental
• 2997[20:41:31] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
• 2998[20:41:42] <somiaj> random_numbers: anything in non-free is there because it fails to meet the DSFG. If it met the DSFG it would be in main or contrib.
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• 3001[20:42:14] <dnssoul> those non-free firmwares in debian are legal for one reason alone. people pay money to get firmware in real time situations voluntarily in united states and other countries its used and further its payment in the united states for multmedia codecs despite both stolen and reverse engineered code has been paid in full by many people all around the world and the law in USA Supreme Court is if you can get it, use it, unless your required to use
• 3002[20:42:14] <dnssoul> a bank routing/account number or credit card. Supreme Court ruling 45321080760540302-0-1-9 final. non contestable
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• 3004[20:42:49] <ompaul> actually no
• 3005[20:42:55] <ompaul> but hey
• 3006[20:43:06] <dnssoul> as of 7-20, 2017 actually yes.
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• 3008[20:43:23] <ompaul> The licencing may be not match the free software but redistributable.
• 3009[20:43:26] <dnssoul> 2016 rather
• 3010[20:43:31] <random_numbers> Also, that yubikey seems to be specifically for lastpass and nothing else. I dislike the idea of nonlocal storage for my passwords.
• 3011[20:43:44] <dnssoul> they mark it as 2017 because of time servers being run on radiation instead of lithium
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• 3015[20:44:01] <somiaj> dnssoul: I think you need to read replaced-url
• 3016[20:44:03] <ompaul> that looks like a rabbit warren
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• 3020[20:44:31] <deepy> random_numbers: is it a specific yubikey device? Becuase I got a yubikey and it works fine for a lot of things that aren't lastpass
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• 3022[20:44:51] <random_numbers> deepy: replaced-url
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• 3026[20:45:05] <random_numbers> Perhaps two different products use the same name? *shrug*
• 3027[20:45:08] <dnssoul> i have information on it deepy and i believe it supports many different password managers not to mention the ability to use it without one. one second, i have the link in gmail.
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• 3029[20:45:22] <deepy> dnssoul: I have an actual yubikey
• 3030[20:45:47] <deepy> the u2f stuff works fine everywhere except on github on Linux
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• 3032[20:46:43] <deepy> random_numbers: I think they're just pushing the yubikey because it's super-convenient compared to the alternatives
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• 3035[20:47:09] <dnssoul> someone has been deleting info from my google gmail account.
• 3036[20:47:12] <deepy> random_numbers: and works with NFC on android if you got one of those
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• 3038[20:47:23] <dnssoul> sorry -- lost that priceless article
• 3039[20:47:26] <dnssoul> will check bookmarks
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• 3041[20:47:50] <pfsmorigo> hi, do I need to install a package in order to make post-up works inside /etc/network/interfaces?
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• 3043[20:48:10] <somiaj> pfsmorigo: you shouldn't, that should be part of ifupdown (do you have that package installed)?
• 3044[20:48:11] <random_numbers> deepy: Possible, I found a wikipedia article. I was wrong. It implements a protocol that lastpass is compatible with, but it's otherwise not related to it.
• 3045[20:48:13] <greycat> you... have to bring up an interface.
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• 3047[20:48:24] <dondelelcaro> I thought the yubikey also supported gpg keys and other things
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• 3050[20:48:40] <deepy> dondelelcaro: it does and I use about 3/4 of the features :>
• 3051[20:48:51] <dondelelcaro> ah, cool
• 3052[20:49:01] * dondelelcaro was planning on getting one, but hasn't yet
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• 3054[20:49:13] <deepy> I have my deploy key on my yubikey, so I can push new releases on the go
• 3055[20:49:37] <pfsmorigo> somiaj, yes, I have but post-up isn't trigged when I plug in the ethernet cable...
• 3056[20:49:44] <dnssoul> all i remember from the article is its $40 from amazon for the good one and further the only name i remember is Yubi and its $40.00 exactly new, at least at the time i checked it. Amazon usa
• 3057[20:50:06] <somiaj> pfsmorigo: care to share your /etc/apt/interfaces file?
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• 3065[20:51:19] <pfsmorigo> somiaj, replaced-url
• 3066[20:51:19] <Brigo> somiaj, is there such file? :-/
• 3067[20:51:40] <somiaj> Brigo: your right. I'm half asleep it seems
• 3068[20:51:46] <somiaj> I meant /etc/network/interfaces
• 3069[20:51:50] <pfsmorigo> somiaj, you mean /etc/network/interfaces
• 3070[20:51:52] <pfsmorigo> ok
• 3071[20:51:53] <dnssoul> i use mac os x and love it but for important work that is hobby and voluntary its very distressful to technical enhancement engineering production security
• 3072[20:52:02] <Brigo> somiaj, i was just wondering :)
• 3073[20:52:07] <pfsmorigo> hehe
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• 3075[20:52:33] <dnssoul> it looks too darn good for those types of things. its also awesome if i may say so.
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• 3077[20:52:44] <somiaj> pfsmorigo: I think that extra space may be causing you trouble. the post-up needs to be part of the iface eth0 block. I think the space between line 11 and 13 is your problem.
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• 3079[20:54:31] <pfsmorigo> somiaj, ok, let me try but I not sure about it. Before using post-up inside interfaces I had a script inside /etc/network/if-up.d/ that doesn't work neither...
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• 3082[20:54:59] <random_numbers> At the moment, given that I store no external information of value unencrypted (OwnCloud third-party encrypt and Tahoe-Lafs :3), I see no real point to buying a OTP token rather than changing my passwords periodically.
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• 3084[20:55:25] <somiaj> pfsmorigo: I would personally put some spaces to indent the post-up line, it should be part of the iface eth0 stanza, not its own seperate line.
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• 3086[20:55:46] <somiaj> I think the interface file uses a blank new line to seperate standzas, but not positive. I just know the way I lke to write them
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• 3100[20:57:43] <greycat> I... can't easily find a definition of "stanza" in interfaces(5). They seem to assume you know already. :(
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• 3105[20:58:19] <greycat> At least it has examples now. It's way better than it was.
• 3106[20:58:33] <somiaj> yea, I've recentally seen a few issues with peoples interfaces file and how things are grouped. is it part of the 'iface eth0'..options or is it another stand alone option.
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• 3121[21:01:24] <Brigo> pfsmorigo, maybe there is some clues here: replaced-url
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• 3142[21:06:30] <greycat> somiaj: I don't see anything that says whether lines can/must/should be indented, or that there should be a blank line or EOF to terminate it.
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• 3144[21:07:20] <sappel> Good evening. I'm currently running debian on a small gateway server to establish 2 strongswan VPN connections using virtual tunnel interfaces (VTI). I get both vpns up and running, but only though one I'm able to send data.
• 3145[21:07:28] <`Kevin> pfsmorigo: as others pointed out... the newline might be preventing post-up from being associated with eth, and/or lack of indentation ... you should try both to see if that resolves anything
• 3146[21:07:51] <pfsmorigo> somiaj, Brigo: I believe that my understanding is wrong. I was thinking that up and down were related to the link, like if I disconnect the cable or plug it back in.
• 3147[21:08:16] <pfsmorigo> But if seems only when you turn the interface up or down, right?
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• 3149[21:08:37] <sappel> the debian gateway runs behind a pfsense firewall. I tried to capture the traffic with tcpdump to be able to compare, but everything looks fine there. I tried running it directly connected to WAN and suddenly it works...any idea how I can find out if it is the server or the firewall?
• 3150[21:08:43] <greycat> A cable disconnection generally does not bring the interface down. It's just a transient error condition.
• 3151[21:09:04] <greycat> The interface should resume sending & receiving when the cable problem is repaired.
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• 3163[21:14:26] <pfsmorigo> greycat, is there a way to trigger a script when the link went down?
• 3164[21:14:42] <pfsmorigo> greycat, even if was just for a second
• 3165[21:15:01] <`Kevin> pfsmorigo: perhaps up/down instead of pre/post
• 3166[21:15:09] <greycat> I have no idea.
• 3167[21:15:25] <`Kevin> eg
• 3168[21:15:39] <`Kevin> iface ethX inet static
• 3169[21:15:43] <greycat> None of the if-*.d will do it, that much I'm fairly sure about.
• 3170[21:15:44] <`Kevin> down route del ..
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• 3172[21:15:51] <`Kevin> or exec a script
• 3173[21:16:05] <greycat> if-down.d is for when you bring the INTERFACE down, i.e. ifdown eth0
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• 3175[21:16:28] <greycat> Not for "there was a 10 ms hiccup" which is what pfsmorigo is asking.
• 3176[21:16:38] <pfsmorigo> greycat, yes agree
• 3177[21:17:30] <`Kevin> ah sorry
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• 3182[21:19:02] <`Kevin> pfsmorigo: inotify against /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier perhaps could lead you in a feasible direction
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• 3184[21:19:50] <pfsmorigo> `Kevin, good idea
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• 3188[21:20:11] <pfsmorigo> I was also looking if ifupdown-extra could be useful
• 3189[21:22:07] <`Kevin> pfsmorigo: are you trying to fixup routes or something similar?
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• 3191[21:22:56] <`Kevin> just curious as regarding that case bird or something similar may make sense
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• 3193[21:23:41] <jhutchins> hotplug should detect a disconnected cable and take the interface down, bring it back up when it reconnects.
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• 3199[21:28:12] <pfsmorigo> `Kevin, no, I want to use up and down to refresh some informations. it's a very peculiar
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• 3212[21:34:17] <RikuKawai> any ideas as to why this monitor is flickering while hooked up to my laptop?
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• 3214[21:34:39] <RikuKawai> what are general thing that could cause flickering? it's connected with VGA
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• 3216[21:34:49] <RikuKawai> *things
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• 3218[21:35:01] <dondelelcaro> pfsmorigo: this is really the sort of thing that networkmanager and similar are much better about dealing with
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• 3221[21:36:13] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: Mis-match between native resolution and configured resolution.
• 3222[21:36:29] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: Card not capable of configured resolution.
• 3223[21:36:32] <RikuKawai> the resolution is correct, so I doubt think it's that
• 3224[21:36:41] <RikuKawai> *don't
• 3225[21:36:51] <RikuKawai> changed wording midsentence
• 3226[21:36:55] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: Refresh rate not compatible with resolution on either card or monitor.
• 3227[21:37:09] <RikuKawai> hmm tried 60Hz and 75Hz, both flicker
• 3228[21:37:24] <RikuKawai> and I'm sure it can do 1280x1024 because it does 1600x1200 fine
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• 3230[21:37:33] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: Bad connection, possibly inside the laptop.
• 3231[21:37:40] <KaffeeJunky123> does anyone know a working workaround to get the latest pepperflash for chromium in debian stable?
• 3232[21:37:42] <RikuKawai> works fine with any other monitor
• 3233[21:38:01] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: Use any other monitor, it doesn't likt that one.
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• 3235[21:38:49] <RikuKawai> it's the one at the workstation I "borrowed" the peripherals from
• 3236[21:38:57] <RikuKawai> I can just ignore it then I guess
• 3237[21:39:06] <rattking> RikuKawai: sometimes I see some flickering and glitchy graphics followed by these in messages 'dmesg' "[drm] GPU HANG: ecode 7:0:0x85dffff8, in plasmashell [2492], reason: Ring hung, action: reset" "drm/i915: Resetting chip after gpu hang" something must be buggy,, I am thinking either plasma or the i915 driver
• 3238[21:39:40] <RikuKawai> nah no glitching, I think the refresh rate might be ever so slightly off from the correct setting
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• 3240[21:39:54] <RikuKawai> I had the same issue with my old laptop
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• 3243[21:42:54] <RikuKawai> rattking: it's not crashing the GPU or anything
• 3244[21:43:33] <rattking> thats good :) I just thought I would mention one thing to look for
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• 3269[21:54:59] <l4m8d4> Does it make any difference whether I do "apt install linux-image-amd64" or "apt install linux-image-amd64:amd64"?
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• 3294[22:09:53] <sebboh> What is the maximum opengl version supported in sid?
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• 3297[22:10:13] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3298[22:10:14] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3299[22:10:58] <sebboh> oh, right
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• 3311[22:17:03] <n4dir> sebboh: you could always check available versions at packages.debian.org (you will have to scroll down a bit, to the searchbox)
• 3312[22:18:05] <jhutchins> ,v opengl
• 3313[22:18:06] <judd> No package named 'opengl' was found in amd64.
• 3314[22:18:13] <l4m8d4> Is the package firmware-linux for all architectures? I am in the process of migrating to 64bit and I want to know if I need to replace firmware-linux with firmware-linux:amd64
• 3315[22:18:42] <l4m8d4> Because firmware-linux:amd64 doesn't seem to exist
• 3316[22:19:02] <greycat> Architecture: all
• 3317[22:19:28] <l4m8d4> Yeah, I've seen that, and what does it mean? Same package for all architectures?
• 3318[22:19:36] <greycat> yes
• 3319[22:19:39] <l4m8d4> ok
• 3320[22:19:41] <l4m8d4> thank you
• 3321[22:20:06] <jhutchins> l4m8d4: What's your process? Are you following a guide?
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• 3323[22:20:34] <l4m8d4> In the beginning I thought maybe it would mean that the package is available for all architectures or something like that
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• 3326[22:20:45] <greycat> The only *supported* way to change from i386 to amd64 is to reinstall. Everything else is "you get to keep all the pieces when it breaks".
• 3327[22:20:51] <l4m8d4> jhutchins: I want to follow replaced-url
• 3328[22:21:07] <l4m8d4> greycat: I have backup
• 3329[22:21:21] <greycat> Good. That's better than most.
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• 3332[22:22:38] <bolt> just reinstall
• 3333[22:22:40] <bolt> seriously
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• 3336[22:23:00] <greycat> Some people are bored and have nothing better to do.
• 3337[22:23:13] <bolt> speaking from experience. it's easier, cleaner, and although it might take some time, it's a good opportunity to document your snowflake server setup
• 3338[22:23:17] <l4m8d4> bolt: It seems like it's not to hard to do. Reinstalling would be a major pain
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• 3340[22:23:59] <bolt> l4m8d4: if you have that much custom stuff, you should consider employing some automation tools so it wouldn't be as much of a pain next time
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• 3343[22:24:29] <l4m8d4> bolt: I have only one server, so I don't think it's worth automating that
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• 3345[22:25:26] <l4m8d4> I mean, except from the weird crossgrading of apt, dpkg and tar it seems to be not so dramatic of a procedure. What would you guys expec to go wrong?
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• 3371[22:35:33] <_sam-lap> hi guys, im having an similar error to this one
• 3372[22:35:35] <_sam-lap> replaced-url
• 3373[22:35:37] <_sam-lap> any help ?
• 3374[22:37:57] <magyar> hi, how can I configure flash plugin for chromium in jessie?
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• 3377[22:40:09] <baraba> magyar, install pepperflash
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• 3380[22:40:29] <rainfyre> hey folks. how do I make sure a service starts every time I boot? it's cups in this case.
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• 3382[22:40:38] <magyar> baraba: it's broken, no more "/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so"
• 3383[22:41:11] <greycat> If you install the standard Debian cups packages, they will start at boot time. Unless you told them not to.
• 3384[22:41:17] <rainfyre> thank you greycat
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• 3392[22:44:51] <chachasmooth> replaced-url
• 3393[22:44:51] <chachasmooth> oops..
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• 3410[22:54:18] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 3413[22:55:04] <tobiasBora> I don't know why, but my server was unreachable using ssh today, so I decided to reboot it. Now I can ssh it again, but I would like to know why I wasn't able to reach it...
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• 3415[22:55:32] <tobiasBora> Does anyone knows how I could know that ?
• 3416[22:55:45] <tobiasBora> I tried to look at /var/log/syslog, but I don't see anything relevant...
• 3417[22:56:08] <greycat> What was the symptom? Connection refused, or time out?
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• 3419[22:56:55] <tobiasBora> greycat: It's like if it wasn't connected to the internet. A nmap scan didn't even see it...
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• 3421[22:57:11] <greycat> So *what happened* when you tried to ssh?
• 3422[22:57:26] <unborn> time out.. it must be
• 3423[22:57:34] <greycat> Best not to guess.
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• 3425[22:58:34] <tobiasBora> Well I don't remember the exact error (and it's not anymore in the log). But when I tried to ssh using the local hostname orangepizero.lan, I got a message like "unknow hostname"
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• 3427[22:58:44] <greycat> Then DNS was fucked.
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• 3430[22:59:00] <greycat> If your ssh server is also the DNS server for this domain, then maybe your DNS nameserver crashed or something.
• 3431[22:59:02] <tobiasBora> and when I tried to ssh the global name server...
• 3432[22:59:29] * greycat stops listening to the random word generator
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• 3434[23:00:44] <franglais125> Does policykit check for arguments? It seems setting "org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.argv1" has no effect
• 3435[23:01:34] <tobiasBora> greycat: I don't think so, firstly the orangepizero.lan hostname is a zeroconf hostname (not my personal DNS), and the second hostname I used is hosted by gandhi, so it's more probable that the problem comes from me, not gandi. And moreover, the nmap scan didn't even detect the orange pi, so even a DNS problem couldn't break that...
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• 3437[23:02:44] <machinegon> may be you left a VPN process running, is that possible?
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• 3439[23:03:04] <tobiasBora> machinegon: me ? I don't have any VPN on my network
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• 3441[23:03:32] <notadrop> does the debian live installer have gparted included yet?
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• 3444[23:04:00] <greycat> For all intents and purposes there is no such thing as a "live installer".
• 3445[23:04:03] <machinegon> meh, wild guess. It happens to me sometimes that I leave a VPN running and can't connect from external source afterwards.
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• 3447[23:04:21] <notadrop> I think that you probably know what I mean, greycat
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• 3449[23:04:33] <greycat> For authoritative answers try #debian-live on OFTC.
• 3450[23:04:44] <notadrop> um.
• 3451[23:04:54] <notadrop> oh, I see, sorry to have bothered you greycat
• 3452[23:04:59] <notadrop> please ignore what I say
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• 3459[23:09:17] <tobiasBora> Hum
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• 3465[23:09:44] <tobiasBora> it's strange it looks like the server tries to do a kind of reboot yesterday
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• 3470[23:11:09] <tobiasBora> but after everything loaded fine I think...
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• 3473[23:12:03] <DammitJim> if a user puts a file in a folder and now the file has 664 permissions for user1:user1
• 3474[23:12:11] <DammitJim> can I as user2 come in and delete that file?
• 3475[23:12:15] <DammitJim> probably not, right?
• 3476[23:12:34] <greycat> To delete a file, you need write perms on the DIRECTORY that it is in. The perms of the file make no difference whatsoever.
• 3477[23:12:36] <DammitJim> how do I set the system so that if user1 puts a file in a folder, that user2 can delete it?
• 3478[23:12:47] <DammitJim> that's what I thought... this guy is giving me crap about it
• 3479[23:12:51] <greycat> Give user2 write perms on the dir.
• 3480[23:13:00] <greycat> Make sure the dir is not sticky.
• 3481[23:13:01] <DammitJim> the folder has permissions as user1:group1 and 775 perms
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• 3483[23:13:06] <DammitJim> user1 and user2 are in group1
• 3484[23:13:22] <DammitJim> does that make sense?
• 3485[23:13:23] <greycat> Ask him what error he gets when he runs "rm -f /thedir/thefile"
• 3486[23:13:36] <DammitJim> he's got some java program doing the work
• 3487[23:13:53] <DammitJim> but the java program runs under a wrapper as user1
• 3488[23:13:56] <DammitJim> I mean, user2
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• 3490[23:14:04] <greycat> So ask him to do the rm by hand.
• 3491[23:14:15] <DammitJim> I'm about ready to do it
• 3492[23:14:16] <greycat> If that works, then you can tell him it's not a permissions problem, but a java problem.
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• 3494[23:14:53] <greycat> Meanwhile try to figure out what UID, GID and supplementary GIDs the java process runs with.
• 3495[23:14:53] <DammitJim> he just changed the permissions to 666 on the file and he claims that he no longer has the problem
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• 3498[23:15:10] <DammitJim> oh, how do I know that?
• 3499[23:15:14] <DammitJim> UID and GID?
• 3500[23:15:17] <DammitJim> ps -aux ?
• 3501[23:15:18] <greycat> By figuring out how the fuck it runs.
• 3502[23:15:21] <greycat> No.
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• 3504[23:15:41] <greycat> By figuring out what launches it, and what launches THAT, and what launces THAT.
• 3505[23:15:54] <rhizome> #debian-testing requires invite? nvidia/xorg pooch-screwing occurring over here
• 3506[23:16:02] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3507[23:16:03] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3508[23:16:06] <DammitJim> yikes
• 3509[23:16:10] <rhizome> er, -next. right
• 3510[23:16:30] <rhizome> Cannot join to channel #debian-next (You must be invited)
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• 3513[23:17:00] <greycat> Read the entire factoid.
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• 3515[23:17:25] <rhizome> ah ha. thanks and sorry
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• 3518[23:19:12] <DammitJim> after I add a user to a group, when does it become effective if the user has been running the service
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• 3520[23:19:18] <DammitJim> do I need to stop the service and start it again?
• 3521[23:19:28] <greycat> Almost definitely.
• 3522[23:19:49] <greycat> Can't be 100% sure without knowing how your service thingy works.
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• 3527[23:20:24] <greycat> There is also much question about whether your service thingy picks up the user's supplementary GIDs at all.
• 3528[23:20:40] <DammitJim> oh ok, so I need to do some reading, then
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• 3530[23:20:50] <DammitJim> All I know is that I'm using the tanuki java service wrapper
• 3531[23:20:56] <DammitJim> and in there I specified what user to run the service as
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• 3536[23:21:56] <DammitJim> now on to see why the heck this tomcat7 service is so slow rending on the webpage
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• 3543[23:24:36] <franglais125> I'm trying to write a polkit policy for apt, so that I can check for updates without entering the password. However it seems that the policy is *too* permissive. I want to restrict to "apt update" only, so that the password is stil required for things like "install, upgrade, purge" etc. Now, in my policy file, this line: ``<annotate key="org.freedesktop.policykit.exec.argv1">update</annotate>`` has no effect, and all apt commands
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• 3550[23:28:20] <chachasmooth> are the official debian repos also available via https? e..g the https version of replaced-url
• 3551[23:29:34] <tobiasBora> franglais125: I'm not an export with policykit, but I think you should target the good action of apt like this
• 3552[23:29:41] <tobiasBora> Action=org.debian.apt.install-file;org.debian.apt.update-cache;org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages;org.debian.apt.upgrade-packages
• 3553[23:29:57] <tobiasBora> (choose the ones you want to keep)
• 3554[23:30:28] <tobiasBora> franglais125: Here is an example : replaced-url
• 3555[23:30:38] <tobiasBora> (second answer)
• 3556[23:31:49] <franglais125> I'm trying it out now
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• 3561[23:32:24] <magyar> is there a info page for debian chromium plugin installation?
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• 3566[23:32:55] <tobiasBora> franglais125: You can list all possible actions using the pkaction command
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• 3584[23:36:56] <DammitJim> if I have a locked down folder at the root to be 755 and owned by root
• 3585[23:37:16] <DammitJim> then a subfolder1 with the same permissions
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• 3587[23:37:42] <DammitJim> but then subfolder2 with permissions 775 for user1:group1
• 3588[23:38:00] <DammitJim> if user2 is part of group1, could I delete a file from subfolder2?
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• 3591[23:38:32] <tobiasBora> franglais125: This question may help you replaced-url
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• 3595[23:39:35] <franglais125> tobiasBora: I've been through all of that already, and tried to add all sorts of policies/rules
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• 3597[23:40:03] <franglais125> I can get apt to either accept all commands, or none, but not a specific selection
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• 3599[23:41:49] <tobiasBora> franglais125: even if you write only:
• 3600[23:41:50] <tobiasBora> Action=org.debian.apt.update-cache;org.debian.apt.upgrade-packages
• 3601[23:42:04] <tobiasBora> (this should allow only update & upgrade)
• 3602[23:42:52] <tobiasBora> Can you send us (using the debian paste) your file please ?
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• 3607[23:45:03] <franglais125> Here you go: replaced-url
• 3608[23:45:22] <franglais125> As you can see, it's a custom policy, with a specific path and argv1 defined
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• 3627[23:56:57] <tobiasBora> Did you try to set <allow_active>auth_admin</allow_active> to <allow_active>yes</allow_active> ? (not sure it's the good thing to do, but you can try)
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• 3633[23:59:15] <franglais125> yes, indeed, that's when the problem starts... if I set it to "yes", then all apt commands are allowed, even if I set "argv1=update"
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