339[07:49:58] <rustyshackleford> nkuttler: so I've got a
messy drive
340[07:50:13] <rustyshackleford> I want to view everything
easily. delete what I don't want
341[07:50:35] <rustyshackleford> then back up to my other drive,
and do a sort of visual comparison between the two drives
342[07:51:24] <cws> rustyshackleford: check out 'mc'
343[07:51:27] <rustyshackleford> I'm pretty sure rsync is
going to be how I back things up. But I like to check that the
number of files/folders on each drive matches at the end
344[07:51:46] <rustyshackleford> oh I should add, headless
server. So cli only
345[07:52:23] <cws> rustyshackleford: Like I said,
'mc'.
348[08:05:14] <rustyshackleford> I need to get a good backup
system in place
349[08:05:27] <EdePopede> rustyshackleford: addon-tip: its worth
looking for its configs in /etc and the user menu system and even
more its vfs. treats archives and what not like normal directories
350[08:06:00] <rustyshackleford> can you expand on that?
352[08:06:54] <EdePopede> one thing: there are standard actions
per filetype. view, edit, execute (f3,f4,enter). everything defined
in a config file including commands which get executed for the
action
353[08:08:04] <EdePopede> then the vfs, not only like these
"zip folders" in windows, practically with everything that
could somehow be treated like a compressed folder. if you ever
played an id game, then you know WAD files. i had a handler for them
long ago :)
354[08:10:08] <EdePopede> that's also how it implemets ftp.
basically it needs a script with (again) some handlers (commands in
this case) for copy and list and what not. all it needs is a
`find`/`ls -lR` like output from the script which it eats
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375[08:16:14] <rustyshackleford> I got into linux around like
2006
376[08:16:16] <EdePopede> on dos/win i used some nc clone with
some extras (one was it was running in a compatible graphics mode,
so included a panel preview even for some image formats) and total
commander which has an even more sophisticated addon system.
377[08:16:23] <rustyshackleford> probably why I became a
software dev
378[08:16:38] <rustyshackleford> but I guess I'm still a
youngin'
379[08:16:57] <EdePopede> the earlier the better, it was easier
with a whole distro on 1 or 2 CDs ;)
380[08:17:21] <rustyshackleford> the internet must have been fun
in the 80s
381[08:17:28] <EdePopede> the age when you start is more
important i guess, before you get used to bad design ideas ;)
382[08:17:50] <EdePopede> don't ask me, i didn't use
it until i had my first pc with a modem
391[08:23:26] <rustyshackleford> ha I watched a video about that
392[08:23:29] <rustyshackleford> phone phreaking
393[08:23:40] <rustyshackleford> it makes me wonder what you can
do today
394[08:24:02] <EdePopede> but not in the beginning, arpanet and
then the first universities and that famous paper. later the first
wireless connection with that scandinavian U.
395[08:24:32] <rustyshackleford> the fact that you can spoof a
phone number so easily is idiotic
396[08:24:38] <EdePopede> just follow IT news, there's
something to report every day ;)
397[08:25:14] <EdePopede> ISDN. they borked the system by
design. it's just forbidden and telcos have to not accept fake
numbers or to route them, but well.
398[08:26:10] <EdePopede> and SMS for 1FA also doesn't seem
to be as secure as advertised
399[08:26:45] <rustyshackleford> the amount of spam phone calls
I receive every day is insane
400[08:27:05] <EdePopede> if you can afford failure, diy. or let
some hobbyists do it. if you want to risk in on an industrial level
just let industry build a WG and release some standard.
401[08:27:29] <EdePopede> you seem to live in the wrong country
then ;)
402[08:28:13] <EdePopede> cold calls are totally off-topic here
for many years already, companies you have a contract with would
rather write than phone. it's just cheaper.
404[08:29:38] <EdePopede> ah, the big advantage of terminal
tools btw, getting clearer every year and with every new incarnation
of Gtk (and sometimes Qt): you don't need a new machine every 2
years
405[08:30:29] <EdePopede> whenever i start firefox and press C-s
immediately it takes up to 5 or 10 seconds until the Save dialog
finally gets usable.
430[09:01:51] <EdePopede> rustyshackleford: it's Germany,
they moved to Luxembourg first, later to Austria. (that's where
i got my last ones from at least)
432[09:02:52] <EdePopede> then EU regulations may have entered
the playfield or w/e. and probably the fact that my phone number
hasn't been in the book for a long time now.
438[09:04:21] <EdePopede> during monopoly times it was standard
to be in it, but then it wasn't as annoying as it became later.
so people started to opt out. and now i'm not even sure if
it's not only Telekom's customers or everyone.
439[09:06:44] <rustyshackleford> we have a list called the Do
Not Call List
440[09:07:02] <rustyshackleford> illegal for legitimate
businesses to call you after you're on the list
441[09:07:08] <rustyshackleford> but, most of the calls are
scammers
445[09:12:07] <EdePopede> i had a call recently, some TV survey.
the numbers are random, they use some algorithm, so can't
controll it, though i'm sure there's also such a list. and
then they also must not supress their number. it just takes a note
to the agency and if it looks legitimate they're in trouble.
488[10:19:45] <ratrace> so, 2020, 2 years after spectre and
meltdown were published, AMD creates zen3 that's vulnerable,
anew, to a spectre variant. I'm crying so hard, it actually
sounds like laughing.
509[10:53:07] <EdePopede> gvfs rdepends on thunar, but when i -s
purge gvfs it only would remove gvfs* gvfs-daemons*. i expected a
really long list instead.
510[10:55:18] <EdePopede> or is the "no longer
required" list relevant? doing this whith task-xfce-desktop
shows THERE a lot of packages, in REMOVED it is only the task.
515[11:00:18] <EdePopede> oh, playing the game with some of
hexchat's dependencies shows results as expected. libfreetype6
is really needed by some packages.
544[11:35:46] <ratrace> EdePopede: why would that happen? either
there's a package installed, required, that conflicts with
libfreetype6, or there's a package installed, required, that
depends on libfreetype6 (< 2.3.5)
573[11:51:02] <shtrb> You should also take into to note that (as
far as I know) - luks does not store size, so it would be enough
close the luks parttion, increase the block device , open it ,
resize the internal fs using the FS specific tools
575[11:53:44] <ratrace> line17: didn't you ask that very
question, and didn't you get extensive help about it, few days
ago?
576[11:54:07] <ratrace> does this mean you did literally
_nothing_ in all this time?
577[11:55:20] <line17> ratrace, i had wrote to a notepad file
and electricty is gone here and lost all of them
578[11:55:33] <line17> by the way why you are asking these
questions??
579[11:56:16] <shtrb> ratrace, sorry to ask , but is there any
chance you would use salsa.debian.org to push your apparmor profiles
directly into the packages ?
580[11:56:17] <ratrace> wondering if you're just wasting
our time, trolling, or there's a legitimate reason why after
all that help you got, you're still asking the original
question.
581[11:56:40] <ratrace> shtrb: you mean mine like the ones
I've built?
582[11:56:47] <shtrb> line17 , you can use the backlog from
irclog to see what you had been told
583[11:56:51] <shtrb> ratrace, yes
584[11:57:03] <line17> no. not trolling, no wasting time. only
lost notepad file
585[11:57:29] <shtrb> ratrace, I'm using your pidgin
appramor changes, and lost your OO one :-( during an upgrade
586[11:57:34] <shtrb> !irclog
587[11:57:34] <dpkg> irclog is, like, #debian on
<freenode> is logged at
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588[11:57:36] <ratrace> shtrb: might, but it's not really
fit for general use. I already offered the changes, talking to the
AA upstream, but they'd prefer the profiles to be generic
589[11:57:38] <shtrb> line17, ^
590[11:57:52] <ratrace> shtrb: OO? openoffice?
591[11:58:01] <shtrb> sorry libreoffice, not openoffice
593[11:58:38] <ratrace> ah, but I don't have a libre/open
office one, aside from what's already packaged. my custom AA
profiles are for firefox, steam, irssi, nginx, and some adjustments
to existing profiles like postfix, dovecot
594[11:58:53] <ratrace> oh yes, php too
595[11:58:58] <line17> shtrb, wow that's amazing. i am
using IRC but i didn't know they are logged. Appreciated..
596[11:59:12] <line17> btw which one is better? openoffice or
libreoffice?
597[11:59:31] <shtrb> ratrace, you gave me lo modification for
the profile :)
598[12:00:20] <ratrace> line17: so in short: a) dd + randomized
UUIDs + grow_partitions + unlock + grow_filesystem b) partition new
+ luksFormat + mkfs + rsync filesystems
599[12:00:26] <ratrace> personally I'd do b)
600[12:00:44] <ratrace> shtrb: are you sure that was me? I never
tampered with the loffice profile(s)
601[12:00:58] <shtrb> I think it was you here
602[12:01:21] <line17> ratrace, thanks for the tip. i guess i
will do 2nd way because first one is bit complicated for me
603[12:01:23] <ratrace> maybe I helped you fix something, but I
don't have a customized profile for loffice
620[12:15:26] <EdePopede> ratrace: i was just thinking again of
removing gvfs if possible - i really don't use too much
GUI/Gnome stuff, and if then nothing that would require some weird
access pathes.
622[12:16:42] <EdePopede> so i did a few apt-get -s remove $pkg
after the lists for gvfs packages was so empty. it's only that
this sentence doesn't make any sense to me in context of
package removals.
631[12:23:03] <jelly> ratrace, what did you have to change for
dovecot and firefox, custom placement for cache/index files?
632[12:23:53] <ratrace> jelly: and for the main data store zfs
mountpoints, for dovecot; firefox? I have a completely custom
profile written from scratch because the packaged one is too
weak/open
634[12:25:04] <ratrace> jelly: AND in case of programs like
firefox and steam that are "desktopy", I actually run them
as separate users so the AA profile is written with that in mind;
most importantly, it gives full RW access to ~/ , which I
couldn't possibly allow if they ran as my main desktop login
user.
635[12:25:31] <ratrace> primarily for steam it was a PITA not to
give full rw to ~/ becasue game savefiles are all over the place
653[13:05:32] <Remy> i have debian 8 now, but i wanted to
upgrade to debian 10,, so i burned the cd but cannot boot from it..
is there a other way te get debian 10 on my system
682[13:11:13] <Remy> so from 8 to 9 and then from 9 to 10 ?
683[13:12:00] <Remy> thats a no go for me
684[13:12:11] <shtrb> then you can do debootstrap
685[13:12:24] <Remy> whats that ? debootstrap
686[13:12:35] <shtrb> but you still need to get the files
somehow on your debian machine
687[13:12:38] <shtrb> !debootstrap
688[13:12:39] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system.
replaced-url
689[13:14:27] <Remy> if i do debootstrap i`ll prob. fuckup the
whole machine
722[13:51:43] <BitchardGnollman> - There is nothing wrong with
the Red Star GNU/Linux being used in North Korea as the totalitarian
surveillance tool tracking any non approved communication. GNU GPL
completely approves such use, because it gives their government
users "freedom."
723[13:51:47] <BitchardGnollman> - "Facebook is
surveillance monster."
724[13:51:49] <BitchardGnollman> - American corporations are the
"enemy of your freedom", despite them creating jobs,
quality products and paying taxes.
725[13:51:52] <BitchardGnollman> - It is totally okay to work
for totalitarian regimes, speak propaganda on RussiaToday and
getting paid in bitcoins by Karpeles.
726[13:51:55] <BitchardGnollman> - Criticising Stallman and his
cult is a taboo, and will get you banned from all related IRC
channels and forums.
727[13:54:03] <BitchardGnollman> ir taxation." 7. American
"democracy is a sham." 8. "We must defeat [American]
plutocracy." 9 "War is not the way to deal with" the
totalitarian regimes. 10. Pre-teen children can "appear
entirely willing." 11. Writing software unpaid makes you
"free as in freedom." 12. There is nothing wrong with the
Red Star GNU/Linux being used in North Korea as the totalitarian
surveillance tool tracking any non approved communication. GNU GPL
completely ap
728[13:54:03] <BitchardGnollman> proves such use, because it
gives their government users "freedom." 13. "Facebook
is surveillance monster." 14. American corporations are the
"enemy of your freedom", despite them creating jobs,
quality products and paying taxes. 15. It is totally okay to work
for totalitarian regimes, speak propaganda on RussiaToday and
getting paid in bitcoins by Karpeles. 16. Criticizing Stallman and
his cult is a taboo, and will get you banned from all rela
773[14:43:06] <ramzy> Wally: also apt doesn't work i just
gixed the sources file yesterday idk whats wrong with it
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775[14:44:18] <jelly> !install kde
776[14:44:19] <dpkg> The 'kde-standard' package gets
you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and
'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with
respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything
KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1):
from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose
"KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then
"Continue".
800[14:53:38] <Dude-Meister> I am finding conflicting
information about using fdupes to actually *delete* (WAY TOO MANY)
duplicate files on a backup disk. Can someone shed some light on
this for me? Please? (And thank you!)
801[14:53:44] <jelly> ramzy, look at "df" output; do
an "apt autoclean"; look at "df" again
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803[14:54:18] <ramzy> but it isnt full its not even 50% full....
804[14:55:16] <jelly> ramzy, show the "df" output,
then. Which filesystem type is your /var or / if there's no
separate /var mountpoint?
805[14:55:25] <Dude-Meister> I don't seem to be getting the
result I expected using the -I switch. (-I = Delete all duplicates
immediately when found - assumes "No-Prompt")
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857[15:32:22] <ramzy> then what command ho i run
858[15:32:26] <ramzy> *do
859[15:33:21] <ratrace> ramzy: there is no command. you download
the ISO using your browser, then you configure virtualbox to use
that ISO through it's clickable UI
860[15:33:58] <ratrace> first google result for "virtualbox
cdrom iso", with pretty pictures:
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862[15:34:42] <ramzy> okay what about after installing it my
system is still broken
863[15:34:54] <jelly> ramzy, your 3GB / is full, that's way
too low to get a decent DE running
864[15:35:12] <jelly> how did you figure out it was 50% full?
865[15:35:29] <ratrace> 3GB root is TOO SMALL for kde.
866[15:35:46] <ratrace> 10-15GB should be minimum, without
including needed space for $HOME
867[15:35:55] <jelly> agreed
868[15:36:10] <ramzy> jelly: from its "hardisk file"
size
869[15:37:04] <ramzy> ratrace: okay...but what made it break in
that way (just the small size or something else?)
870[15:37:19] <ratrace> ramzy: your VM needs 15GB+ of disk space
and at least 4GB of RAM, 8GB recommended these days if you intend to
run browsers. can your system meet those requirements?
872[15:37:51] <ratrace> ramzy: I have no idea what the breakage
is, but guessing from the several continuous issues you seem to be
having for the past few days, I guess you're configuring the VM
for insufficient resources
873[15:37:56] <ramzy> >3GB root is TOO SMALL for kde.
874[15:37:56] <ramzy> the installer configured it that way
automaticly
875[15:38:01] <jelly> ramzy, do you have any important data on
this machine? If not, reinstall, provide a 24GB disk, use LVM, set
up at least 10GB for /, 1-2GB for swap, some space for /home and the
rest unallocated
876[15:38:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1000
877[15:38:28] <ratrace> OR, since this is a VM, do not partition
at all. use one giant /
878[15:38:46] <ratrace> swapfile instead of partition for swap.
879[15:38:47] <jelly> but still use LVM to be able to grow space
without reboot
880[15:38:59] <ratrace> jelly: can you grow ext4 online?
881[15:39:07] <jelly> no noeed for a swapfile, swap on lvm is
better
882[15:39:21] <jelly> ratrace, yes, ext3 too
883[15:39:24] <ratrace> I'd just recommend not including
the LVM complexity at all
884[15:39:44] <ratrace> growing it is then one e2tunefs away,
with simple ext4 / single partition
885[15:39:45] <jelly> it's way too useful
886[15:40:02] <ratrace> jelly: I agree, but the user is
apparently too novice for that complexity.
887[15:40:28] <jelly> avoiding reboots and partition mgt is more
than worth the trouble
888[15:40:37] <ratrace> alright.
889[15:40:56] <ramzy> so...new vm with more resources and one /
partition?
890[15:41:08] <jelly> ramzy, the installer is dumb that way. It
might have worked if you didn't have a separate /home
891[15:41:42] <jelly> but right now you have a 4GB /home mostly
unused, and a completely full 3GB /
892[15:42:24] <ramzy> jelly:> the installer is dumb that way.
It might have worked if you didn't have a separate /home
893[15:42:24] <ramzy> i kinda chose that... :)
894[15:43:18] <jelly> I _think_ it would have warned you there
was not enough space for kde if you chose to install kde at install
time
895[15:43:49] <jelly> but that might be wishful thinking and I
won't bother checking the code
896[15:44:14] <ramzy> even if it was 1 partition are 8gb enough
for a basic system anyway?
897[15:45:01] <jelly> basic system or a GUI syste, with a DE?
920[15:52:08] <oxek> the crypttab entry you posted looks fine
921[15:52:32] <oxek> ramzy: you're making the learning
experience way too hard for yourself
922[15:53:25] <oxek> ramzy: most people new to linux go like
this: 1) Insert CD 2) Next, next, next, next, next 3) Reboot 4) Have
a working linux system.
923[15:53:51] <omarek_> The whole device is luks encrypted,
while I try to use a LVM-on-LUKS partition in crypttab and (now
commented out) fstab. Could that be the reason?
925[15:54:30] <ramzy> oxek: i already did that i want to learn
more i even thought of installing gentoo
926[15:54:45] <oxek> don't install gentoo as your first
linux...
927[15:54:49] <jelly> ramzy, vbox seems to call those
"dynamically allocated" disks.
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928[15:55:24] <oxek> ramzy: want to learn more? Install linux
and do your actual work you need to not become homeless and starve
to death. Fix what you don't like as you go.
929[15:55:34] <oxek> Learning for the sake of learning is often
a pointless experience.
930[15:55:40] <omarek_> When I manually luksOpen and mount the
partition, I check what 'lsblk' outputs, and mount that.
931[15:55:49] <ramzy> oxek: its not my first linux
962[16:05:26] <omarek_> Note this is on my old system, not on my
new system (which currently doesn't boot)
963[16:05:36] <ramzy> cws: okay nevermind how do you veiw photos
, docs etc
964[16:05:56] <Peyam> Hi, By some reason the amount of used
memory goes up when I am away from the computer
965[16:05:57] <omarek_> jelly: I mean the crypttab entry is from
my new system that doesn't boot, the lsblk is from my old
system I'm running now.
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967[16:06:27] <ramzy> oxek: how could a de get in the way of
work?
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970[16:06:42] <Peyam> I didn't pou the computer into sleep
or anything and when I woke up this morning the memory was on 96%
and Swap was 100% . And the same thing happened again. For an hour
ago it was 13% and I left the computer and just came back n ot it is
on 20%
982[16:15:13] <oxek> ramzy: a DE can add many seconds of you
waiting for things to happen, because it loves to display animations
and other useless effects.
983[16:15:31] <jelly> omarek_, and blkid? I don't even see
that uuid anywhere
987[16:17:30] <jelly> omarek_, I use the device path of the
relevant partition, not UUID: pv0
/dev/disk/by-id/nvme-SAMSUNG_MZVLB256HBHQ-000L7_serialhere-part6
none luks,discard
988[16:18:01] <jelly> if you use the UUID you will need to find
the UUID for the backend.
990[16:18:30] <ValeraRozuvan> Hey guys! My goal is to maintain
my own Debian package (software that I myself wrote, MIT licensed).
What should be my first step? I understand that this is a long
process, and that it involves a lot of work and patience. But where
to start? I am determined to make it!
993[16:19:12] <jelly> UUID is typically a property of a
formatted filesystem, I didn't even know LUKS backing devices
had one
994[16:19:19] <omarek_> jelly: I can find it in the paste using
CTRL-F. It's the 4th UUID from the bottom, mounted at
/media/ultrasta(r_1tb), I think it got cut away from the viewport.
1010[16:23:03] <ratrace> Peyam: might wanna use
--no-install-recommends, as it pulls in matplotlib!
1011[16:23:07] <Peyam> ratrace, I see that jedi-language-server
is the leak
1012[16:23:17] <jelly> omarek_, okay. So 1954.. is the UUID of
the filesystem inside the LV inside the VG/PV inside the luks
1013[16:23:28] <jelly> omarek_, you need the UUID of the luks
itself.
1014[16:23:39] <jelly> └─nvme0n1p2 crypto_LU
77eabf62-7074-4a91-ab97-f139b947db67 <- _maybe_ this
1015[16:23:39] <ratrace> Peyam: no idea what that is, but if
it's a service, you can use cgroup limits to limit its mem use.
it'll crash, but won't take down your system with it
1016[16:24:04] <Peyam> ratrace, I will take a look. Thanks bud
1039[16:27:38] <oxek> ramzy: but what are you actually working
on? Meaning what work are you performing that brings you money? The
answer of what to do is - find a way to automate something you do
several times a day as part of your work.
1040[16:27:40] <jelly> omarek_, so yes, it matters. I
wouldn't ask otherwise!
1058[16:29:56] <oxek> I'm not used to two nicks chatting at
the same time that share the same first two letters
1059[16:29:57] <ratrace> oxek: I do thta too when I have to use
more than 2 chars for tab completion
1060[16:29:58] <Peyam> wow
1061[16:30:04] <Peyam> Firefox takes so much memory
1062[16:30:17] <jelly> Peyam, that's par the course
1063[16:30:19] <Peyam> and it doesn't kill all its thread
when closing the window
1064[16:30:21] <ratrace> wait 'till you see what chromium
does
1065[16:30:40] <jelly> this is why you have 16GB RAM, so that web
browsers work
1066[16:30:51] <oxek> one of these days a wild oxen will enter
this channel and I'll get highlighted for days...
1067[16:30:59] <Peyam> what do you guys recommend? what
lightweight webbrowser should I use?
1068[16:31:07] <ratrace> Peyam: firefox
1069[16:31:37] <Peyam> it there a way to kill all its thread and
processes after you click on close button?
1070[16:31:44] <jelly> Peyam, keep using this thing. Install
NoScript and VERY carefully allow things, that may reduce some
usage.
1071[16:31:47] <ramzy> oxek: well..yes they do the same things
but something like arch for example is really hard to install and
configure unlike for example linux mint which anyone who touched a
keyboard begore can install
1072[16:32:06] <jelly> Peyam, but in general, don't worry
about it, it can't really be helped
1073[16:32:08] <omarek_> Actually I have 32GB RAM.
1075[16:32:22] <oxek> Peyam: rather than trying to make a
ligthweight webbrowser work, try to rethink how you use the
internet. Try using fewer (maybe even just one) tabs, try using
altarnative websites that are not as heavy, or perhaps rethink
whether you really need the internet for what you're doing.
1076[16:32:28] <jelly> omarek_, you're ready for the web
browsers of 2022... maybe!
1077[16:32:34] <Peyam> what is the point of having a
lightweighted De if applications use so much resources
1079[16:32:44] <omarek_> Pro tip: you can enter firefox settings
and manually clear currently used firefox memory
1080[16:32:49] <Peyam> oxek, I had 3 tabs open
1081[16:32:55] <ratrace> Peyam: you've got 16GB of RAM. call
us when you actually get more than 8GB used ;)
1082[16:33:07] <oxek> ramzy: arch has an installation guide that
a trained monkey could complete - you just follow the commands.
1083[16:33:07] <omarek_> Up until recently, I had 4GB at home.
You can tell I was really sick of it.
1084[16:33:10] <Peyam> ratrace, -.-
1085[16:33:24] <ratrace> that said, I haven't noticed FF
utilize that much RAM, unless I had a lot of tabs open with a lot of
things going on in them, netflix, youtube (thus drm and other
plugins active) etc..
1086[16:33:25] <jelly> omarek_, I killed an SSD when I had just
4GB RAM.
1087[16:33:48] <ramzy> oxek: yes ...but do you UNDERSTAND them
tho?
1088[16:33:50] <jelly> then I realized it would be cheaper to
just buy enough RAM
1089[16:34:01] <omarek_> jelly: "everybody knows" you
can't kill an SSD, they're so sturdy, especially TLC and
QLC.
1090[16:34:34] <oxek> ramzy: they are well explained in the
installation guide
1091[16:34:42] <oxek> debian also has an installation guide
1093[16:34:58] <omarek_> jelly: This setup you're helping me
configure is 256GB nvme SSD for / and /home, and (eventually two)
ultrastar/HGST sata3 hard drives for games, .wine, .mozilla
1094[16:35:05] <oxek> ehm, is dpkg down?
1095[16:35:13] <jelly> omarek_, this was a second gen ssd in
2013, so, vendors did not even track abuse then, it got replaced
under warranty :-)
1096[16:35:14] <oxek> dpkg where are you?
1097[16:35:15] <omarek_> The 'browser_cache' is
literally a LVM partition for just the browsers.
1098[16:35:25] <Peyam> I think it is axfce problem. it doesnt
kill applications when they are closed
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1100[16:35:41] <ratrace> Peyam: I'm serious. Right now, I
have a steam game open (ETS2), FF with 4 tabs , one of which is
netflix paused. 7 terminals. under i3-wm. total memory used 9GB out
of 32. if I shut down the game, it goes down to 3.6GB
1101[16:35:42] <jelly> oxek, dselect bot keeps a copy
1102[16:35:49] <jelly> dselect, flw0
1103[16:35:49] <dselect> * westside has run sid since day one |
<westside> I run apt-get in cron nightly
1107[16:36:36] <jelly> I have both chrome and firefox with
hundreds of tabs.
1108[16:36:42] <Peyam> ratrace, You mean I complain for nothing
actually? that it is not so serious
1109[16:36:43] <omarek_> I'm using symlinks on the new
install to link data-heavy directories to old-fashioned HDD drives.
Only at the moment I have to luksOpen and mount manually.
1110[16:36:47] <oxek> I don't think dselect works well,
I'm asking it for 'install guide' and it says nothing
1111[16:36:53] <ratrace> Peyam: pretty much
1112[16:36:56] <jelly> 7GB available out of 15GB
1113[16:36:57] <omarek_> I'll be back in a couple of
minutes.
1114[16:37:09] <oxek> dselect, install
1115[16:37:13] <dselect> There are a myriad of different ways to
install Debian. See
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1116[16:37:18] <oxek> dselect, install guide
1117[16:37:18] <dselect> The Installation Guide for Debian 10
"Buster" can be found at
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1118[16:37:25] <Peyam> ratrace, I have OCD that's why
1119[16:37:27] <ratrace> Peyam: relatively speaking, it sucks.
I'm old schoold, back in the day we did ASM and programs had to
fit in 1024KB of RAM
1120[16:37:45] <oxek> ratrace: read that ^ debian installation
guide
1121[16:37:54] <ratrace> so it pains me to see how much memory is
wasted in "modern programs", but frankly I stopped caring.
I gave it gobs of RAM and told it to stfu about it.
1122[16:38:46] <omarek_> Peyam: Are you also a speedrunner?
1123[16:38:47] <ramzy> oxek: did u mean me or actually ratrace
1124[16:38:47] <jelly> Peyam, no need to optimize for minimal use
of a resource that isn't a bottleneck (yet)
1138[16:40:03] <Peyam> omarek_, I am a gym guy nowadays. For the
career you know.
1139[16:40:25] <ratrace> Peyam: important thing to keep in mind:
"lightweight" browser alternatives also mean "lack of
functionality, security, modern HTML/JS compatibility" and are
probably also going to perform poorly with most of modern, JS heavy,
sites.
1140[16:40:52] <Peyam> ratrace, that is completely tru. All I
need is adblock tbh
1165[16:48:21] <dselect> Now Debian "Bullseye" is the
current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released
"when it's ready."
1166[16:48:40] <jelly> fair
1167[16:48:49] <jelly> dselect, rc bugs
1168[16:48:49] <dselect> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs
with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next
release of Debian. See the graph at
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1169[16:49:16] <jelly> wow, that's really low
1170[16:49:53] <oxek> jelly: is that sarcasm?
1171[16:49:57] <oxek> (I can't tell)
1172[16:50:14] <jelly> no, 200 is really low this early in the
freeze
1176[16:51:12] <ratrace> what was that poll command. looks like
I'm winning
1177[16:51:16] <mdja123cs> hello. Is there a guide on how to
install on a usb?
1178[16:51:16] <omarek_> ratrace: I side with badgers myself.
1179[16:51:34] <oxek> btw is debian "giving up" on
removing python2 packages from bullseye? I remember reading that it
was postponed but can't find it anymore.
1180[16:51:52] <jelly> it wasn't a hard goal in the first
place
1181[16:51:55] <ratrace> oxek: it'll remain installable due
to a few important dependencies
1197[16:55:25] <ratrace> and to think, python2 is going to live
happily for years to come in debian LTS .... and RHELs.... and
centoses.... and ubuntus LTS....
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1199[16:56:01] <RoyK> ratrace: well, it's not getting
updated anymore, so better move to py3
1244[17:29:25] <oxek> Juerd: don't. I don't need extra
nightmares.
1245[17:31:10] <omarek_> When I issue 'cryptsetup
luksClose', it complains the device is busy. But I've
unmounted the device (umount) earlier. What's wrong?
1246[17:31:16] <Juerd> oxek: Just combine it with xkill
1288[18:01:13] <omarek_> Okay, I think I know what's the
problem. In my crypttab, I'm trying to luksOpen a device using
an UUID from inside the LUKS container. BUt it's not opened
(luksOpen) at that point so I can't use an UUID of a partition
from inside the LUKS container.
1289[18:01:19] <omarek_> jelly: Does that make sense?
1312[18:24:33] <rustyshackleford> well I'm using docker to
run Plex and transmission
1313[18:24:46] <rustyshackleford> and starting to wonder if using
docker is making this more complex than I need haha
1314[18:25:11] <rustyshackleford> I cannot remove torrents from
transmission now. I'm thinking I've got an issue with
permissions between the container and the host
1322[18:46:28] <omarek> Hi, on a new install, a crypttab entry
makes my computer stop at boot. It's a secondary drive, LVM on
LUKs
1323[18:47:17] <omarek> I can remove the entry from crypttab, and
manually cryptsetup luksOpen and then mount the drive. I just
can't make it available at boot.
1324[18:47:53] <oxek> omarek: it stops at boot because it waits
for password input. Try using keys instead and load them from the
unlocked partition.
1325[18:49:14] <omarek> oxek: But it only asks for a passphrase
for the first! I don't see a second prompt.
1326[18:49:56] <omarek> I think I can at least set up a
timeout...
1372[19:27:26] <nkuttler> i have some hosts with otp auth where
mosh doesn't work for whatever reason
1373[19:27:50] <jelly> dob1, autossh detects a broken links by
sending messages to itself over two tunnels it sets up. monitor port
is used as one local endpoint for one of the two forwards.
1374[19:28:02] <jelly> s/links/link/
1375[19:28:25] <dob1> jelly, and if you don't use it?
1376[19:28:45] <jelly> you always use it, by default it's
random.
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1397[19:33:00] <dob1> jelly, I didn't mean to be arrogant,
just asking because I read about this service and I never tried it
for this reason
1398[19:33:04] <jhutchins> jelly: To be fair, it's not easy
to tell who the actual experts are vs. the guy that just installed
linux last week but has opinions.
1399[19:33:10] <trysten> jelly: baremetal, laptop with intel
chips.
1400[19:33:20] <dob1> trysten, sorry didn't mean to be
arrogant
1401[19:33:26] <trysten> yeah i'm somewhere between the two.
I have been in this channel for a decade tho :D
1402[19:33:45] <jelly> trysten, might be hitting something
similar to this? Found via reddir
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1403[19:33:55] <jelly> reddit*
1404[19:33:57] <trysten> dob1: yes i'm sure, you can specify
a port. check the man page
1409[19:36:29] <trysten> I wanted to get my fingers into the
kernel a little and try to understand what's going on. I saw
someone else had written a hack to supress the messages so they
wouldn't spam and I was wondering what the "right"
thing to do was
1410[19:36:44] <jelly> [flisboac@sonic ~]$ sudo setpci -v -d
8086:a114 CAP_EXP+0x8.w=0x0e # hides just one sort of PCI error on
just that device, neat
1411[19:36:48] <trysten> so this is exactly where I wanted to go
:)
1412[19:37:09] <trysten> yeah it's a much nicer work-aroudn
than pci=noaer kernel option
1413[19:37:28] <jelly> it doesn't fix the actual error that
is still happening, but at least you don't get a 50GB log
1423[19:40:39] <oxek> (not that you should ever do that anyway)
1424[19:41:37] <oxek> it's a pity that mosh is not being
developed anymore, it would benefit from using a streaming cipher
and various other optimizations to lower latency
1456[20:08:51] <Caesar_NayKid> Gonna install from usb stick.
Netinst amd64?
1457[20:09:07] <Caesar_NayKid> Or "other images"
1458[20:09:07] <shtrb> !bullseye freeze
1459[20:09:08] <dpkg> the freeze for Debian 11
'bullseye' has begun on 2021-01-13.
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1460[20:09:14] <oxek> !debian-next
1461[20:09:14] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
replaced-url
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1468[20:18:50] <jhutchins> Caesar_NayKid: Installing stable and
upgrading is the recommended method of getting to testing. Be clear
that testing, especially during the freeze, is expected to break so
they can fix the serious problems.
1470[20:20:10] <jhutchins> Caesar_NayKid: One nice way to handle
that is to have a dual-boot stable-testing. That way when (not if)
testing breaks, you still have a working computer.
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1475[20:26:09] <jelly> Caesar_NayKid, don't bother with
alpha installer, those are very old. Get a daily or a weekly build
if you're going with bullseye, eg.
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1476[20:26:51] <jelly> I'm assuming you're going to
need at least some firmware
1477[20:27:15] <jelly> unless you select the hardware you 100%
know it works without any
1585[22:17:25] <Randolf> Is anyone here running Seafile? I'm
having trouble getting it to start, and it presents me with a
"Error:Seahub failed to start" message that isn't
helpful beyond indicating that it failed to start.
1586[22:17:40] <Peyam> Do you know how tro start it in incognito?
in the command line
1612[22:27:18] <FuzzyByte> Peyam: I'm digging Links.
It's mostly functional, very fast, and views lots of webpages
correctly. Also supports lots of image formats and is IMO a decent
image viewer.
1627[22:29:26] <Randolf> oxek: I'm on the autism spectrum in
a significant way, and I know there's a lot of truth to that.
1628[22:30:00] <Peyam> oxek, yeah awesome. It is not easy to work
with those guys but when you know how to work with them it becomes
easy. In my exprience planning releases and issues with people with
autism is very energy and time consuming
1630[22:30:16] <oxek> I know it might sound stupid, but I kinda
envy the ones I know, they can find a target and focus on it and
stop at nothing until they reach it
1631[22:30:18] <Peyam> That is true. I am too a little people say
1632[22:30:20] <oxek> I really admire that
1633[22:30:23] <Randolf> oxek: But creativity is something that
isn't actually uncommon -- many autistic people are creative,
but most of the world seems to think - wrongly - there's no
creativity at all.
1634[22:30:50] <Peyam> Tesla had some kind of autism didn't
he?
1635[22:31:16] <oxek> anyway, to get it back on track (sorry for
offtopic), there really isn't a good browser that would fit
what you're asking for
1636[22:31:35] <Peyam> I like midori except the ads thingi
1777[23:55:03] <oxek> I'd check for messages in dmesg and
journalctl about some errors, I'd check for missing firmware,
I'd check if I'm using proprietary drivers if necessary,
and then I'd go in the settings and look for something like
Monitor or Display
1779[23:55:41] <jelly> Caesar_NayKid, did you use the installer
images with firmware?
1780[23:55:46] <oxek> knowing my luck, I'd also check if the
cable is securely fastened, and if the monitor is not in some sort
of strange mode due to pressing some buttons on it