• 0[00:00:39] <Della> ty
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• 2[00:01:25] <exa_ways> What kind of commands are accepted creating a custom shortcut in settings>keyboard>shortcut?
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• 14[00:04:56] <awal1> exa_yways: which DE/WM follows that format? gnome?
• 15[00:05:19] <exa_ways> yes in gnome
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• 23[00:08:02] <jhutchins_wk> Betting it's not stable.
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• 25[00:08:15] <jhutchins_wk> Oops. NM.
• 26[00:08:49] <exa_ways> I realize I can create shortcuts to start an application for example but I need to create shortcuts to empty trash or delete files and such
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• 38[00:20:27] <disi> i just uninstalled python-pip and python3-pip, yet both utilities are still available in my path? is this from doing `sudo pip install --upgrade pip`?
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• 43[00:24:05] <codfection> why debian dont have pentesting repo to add the tools from?
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• 46[00:24:09] <codfection> ????
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• 48[00:26:04] <abrotman> codfection: which tools? There are distros that specialize in that
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• 50[00:26:16] <awal1> exa_ways: debian-gnome may be more suitable for you
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• 54[00:27:19] <codfection> abrotman, but not stable
• 55[00:27:28] <abrotman> codfection: sounds like a trade off
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• 58[00:27:51] <abrotman> exa_ways: turn off/on the bits that tell nautilus to manage the desktop perhaps
• 59[00:27:52] <awal1> btw, why using gnome, kde or any other DE and do such stuff via keyboard shortcuts looks like weird :P
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• 62[00:28:04] <awal1> - why
• 63[00:28:07] <abrotman> why not?
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• 65[00:28:12] <abrotman> doesn't help answer the question
• 66[00:29:22] <codfection> abrotman, like in arch you can use other repos without breaking the system (black arch f.e.)
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• 70[00:30:23] <abrotman> codfection: Those may exist outside of Debian, you still haven't mentioned which tools you're actually looking for
• 71[00:30:37] <codfection> kali tools. abrotman
• 72[00:30:47] <Della> guys
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• 74[00:30:56] <abrotman> Kali tools? No, that's not what I'm asking
• 75[00:31:04] <abrotman> There are actual tools, not "kali tools"
• 76[00:31:10] <Della> which tool in swftools is recommended for reading action script out of a swf file
• 77[00:31:21] <codfection> abrotman, I mean the tools available in kali
• 78[00:31:30] <abrotman> codfection: ...
• 79[00:31:45] <codfection> I cant get them in debian, can I?
• 80[00:31:56] <codfection> kali is unstable af to use as main OS
• 81[00:32:10] <abrotman> Let's see .. I've said three times that I don't know which tools you're talking about, and you acn't give me a straight answer .. good luck
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• 83[00:32:36] <codfection> abrotman, metasploit
• 84[00:32:46] <codfection> abrotman, wireshark, nmap, sqlmap
• 85[00:33:25] <abrotman> Some of those are in Debian, you apparently didn't look very hard
• 86[00:33:42] <codfection> abrotman, yes I know but not all of them. those were just example
• 87[00:34:03] <abrotman> codfection: Did oyu check the RFP page? the ITP page?
• 88[00:34:17] <Della> soo
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• 90[00:34:26] <Della> did any1 take into consideration my question?
• 91[00:34:28] <exa_ways> awal1: I am using Debian/gnome
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• 93[00:35:17] <codfection> abrotman, sorry which page?
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• 95[00:35:28] <awal1> exa_ways: I can tell you how to empty trash content but I dont know gnome syntax. the command you need is "rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/*". I have created a keyboard shortcut for that under my openbox, but no clue for gnome. but there you have a piste. also you can just install "trash-cli" and call one of it's option "trash-empty" via a keyboard shortcut
• 96[00:35:52] <abrotman> codfection: more or less, the packages need a maintainer. Is the license DFSG-Free, is there a willing maintainer, etc .. Tons of reasons they might not be in Debian
• 97[00:36:04] <codfection> I see
• 98[00:36:35] <abrotman> codfection: but some of those tools are already in Debian
• 99[00:36:42] <exa_ways> awal1: yes that is what i tried as well. Did not work. I created a script now and run that script via shortcut. that way it works. =)
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• 103[00:37:08] <awal1> exa_ways: what doesn't work?
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• 105[00:38:38] <abrotman> dpkg: tell codfection about wnpp
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• 107[00:38:59] <exa_ways> awal1: create a shortcut that runs this or similar commands
• 108[00:39:13] <abrotman> codfection: FWIW: replaced-url
• 109[00:39:16] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 110[00:39:53] <awal1> exa_ways: may be your shortcut syntax not correct
• 111[00:40:11] <SpaceAce> any good guides for setting up SFTP jail?
• 112[00:40:58] <exa_ways> awal1: no I tried 3 different that all worked fine in the terminal
• 113[00:42:16] <BenNZ> SpaceAce: replaced-url
• 114[00:42:31] <SpaceAce> thanks BenNZ
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• 118[00:46:12] <noahmg123> OK. I've colossally screwed up
• 119[00:46:13] <noahmg123> I lost GNOME and now it won't reinstall
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• 121[00:47:07] <awal1> !bat
• 122[00:47:08] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 123[00:47:22] <awal1> noahmg123: ^
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• 127[00:49:58] <noahmg123> awal1: getting that for you
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• 129[00:50:26] <awal1> !ask
• 130[00:50:26] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 131[00:50:29] <awal1> noahmg123: ^
• 132[00:51:33] <noahmg123> awal1: I am getting dependency errors left and right and it won't install anything. I'm relegated to which I cannot copy from.
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• 134[00:51:39] <abrotman> dpkg: tell awal1 about bottell
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• 136[00:51:57] <abrotman> noahmg123: let's start with your sources.list
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• 138[00:53:10] <noahmg123> Sorry, just pasted my apt output. Command: apt-get install gnome-shell replaced-url
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• 141[00:54:15] <noahmg123> My sources.list replaced-url
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• 148[00:56:05] <abrotman> dpkg: tell noahmg123 about wheezy sources.list
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• 150[00:57:15] <noahmg123> abrotman: I use apt not aptitude
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• 152[00:58:19] <noahmg123> Wait, I may have got it working
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• 154[01:00:16] <abrotman> noahmg123: irrelevant, your sources are wrong
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• 156[01:00:23] <abrotman> noahmg123: see what the bot told you, fix them up
• 157[01:00:33] <noahmg123> I will work on it
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• 180[01:09:50] <bit1> Hello, Anyone with Nouveau drivers and Wayland?
• 181[01:09:58] <awal1> How to seek to a specific part of an audio file on moc?
• 182[01:11:03] <awal1> I meant: file is 1 hour, and I want to go to minute say 90
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• 196[01:19:55] <bit1> awal1, I'm sorry I used audacity.
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• 200[01:20:22] <awal1> bit1: heh?
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• 205[01:21:02] <bit1> awal1, Audacity is " fast, cross-platform audio editor"
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• 209[01:21:38] <awal1> bit1: you are confusing my nickname
• 210[01:21:51] <apeplanet> you crooked nigger dick suckin thieving girl murdering Nazi/Jew trash need to hand over the trillions of dollars you owe us and face justice for the murders.
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• 223[01:22:51] <bit1> awal1, I see, you're using an audio player, aren't you?
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• 228[01:23:57] <awal1> bit1: oh, I see. I dont use audacity for play , just edit. but ok, thanks for your attention :P
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• 230[01:24:52] <bit1> awal1, mocp -k [+|-]N, --seek [+|-]N Seek forward (positive) or backward (negative) by N seconds in the file currently being played. from the command line.
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• 234[01:26:25] <awal1> bit1: I have seen that in help and manual but I don't got it; so while mocp is running I use those options in another terminal or what?
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• 243[01:28:13] <cyberbrain> exit
• 244[01:28:31] <cyberbrain> lol :)
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• 256[01:35:23] <awal1> bit1: ok, works fine "mocp --seek number-of-seconds" in another terminal while moc is playing x audio file. perfect so; thanks
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• 258[01:35:57] <bit1> awal1, cool!
• 259[01:35:59] <awal1> would be greater in able to do that in mocp itself
• 260[01:36:13] <awal1> if able ^
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• 265[01:39:40] <bit1> sure! but I use GUI-only music players :)
• 266[01:39:45] <bit1> Gnome-like
• 267[01:40:15] <bazhang> ,v audacious
• 268[01:40:16] <judd> Package: audacious on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.4-1; jessie: 3.5-2; jessie-backports: 3.7.2-1~bpo8+1; sid: 3.7.2-1; stretch: 3.7.2-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:3.6.1-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:3.8.1-dmo1
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• 271[01:40:35] <awal1> looks like via "ExecCommand" feature something may be done about that; I'll check it quietly later :)
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• 274[01:41:43] <awal1> I like moc bcuz is ncurses based and it also plays non local stuff like online radio
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• 318[01:53:10] <dixie7z> hello there... i'm trying to install multimedia codecs in debian testing release. google just gives me commands that don't work. packages can't be found
• 319[01:53:19] <dixie7z> what are new packages for multimedia?
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• 328[01:57:49] <somiaj> dixie7z: what codecs are you looking for?
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• 332[01:58:57] <dixie7z> i don't know. i used xubuntu before this and it was automatically installed... i configured everything. only leaves codecs.
• 333[01:58:59] <TomTomTosch> (that don't already come with the media player of your choice)
• 334[02:00:13] <abrotman> dixie7z: what kind of media are you trying to play that isn't working?
• 335[02:00:18] <awal1> dixie7z: if you run /msg dpkg codec you will get a lot of dpkg info in a private message; following and following "Ask me about ..."
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• 339[02:01:43] <TomTomTosch> there are very few instances where you have to bother with codecs nowadays.
• 340[02:01:59] <dixie7z> okej... i tried to run .jar program and it doesn't open. then i remembered that codecs are not installed by default on debian. i really don't need codecs... i have VLC and everything works... maybe just what package is for .jar programs?
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• 342[02:02:16] <bazhang> java
• 343[02:02:25] <abrotman> java .. codecs ?
• 344[02:02:31] <bazhang> no
• 345[02:02:44] <abrotman> dixie7z: sounds more like you need a JRE
• 346[02:02:54] <bazhang> what jar did dixie want
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• 348[02:03:50] <dixie7z> i have MyPasswords.jar thats a program that stores passwords... i need to execute it somehow... dont know what poackage is for java
• 349[02:04:03] <awal1> replaced-url
• 350[02:04:10] <apeplanet> hey why does everybody say that linux is just like anal sex!!!
• 351[02:04:47] <dixie7z> Reading state information... Done
• 352[02:04:47] <dixie7z> E: Unable to locate package java
• 353[02:05:15] <TomTomTosch> dixie7z: you need to install a jre first. usually openjdk-7-jre on jessie.
• 354[02:05:17] <bazhang> dixie7z, a jre
• 355[02:05:41] <apeplanet> where do all those Harvard faggots get off making statements like that.....just because they say its painful to get started , but fun when you get into it....is elton john in this group or george michael?
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• 363[02:06:07] <dixie7z> Package openjdk-7-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package.
• 364[02:06:07] <dixie7z> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
• 365[02:06:07] <dixie7z> is only available from another source
• 366[02:06:14] <dixie7z> i'm on debian testing
• 367[02:06:47] <somiaj> ,v openjdk-7-jre
• 368[02:06:48] <judd> Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u95-2.6.4-1~deb7u1; jessie: 7u111-2.6.7-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 7u111-2.6.7-2~deb7u1; jessie-security: 7u111-2.6.7-2~deb8u1; experimental: 7u121-2.6.8-1
• 369[02:06:59] <somiaj> dixie7z: looks like that package was removed from debian, one second.
• 370[02:07:10] <TomTomTosch> oh, testing. it's openjdk-8-jre, then ^^
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• 373[02:08:38] <dixie7z> hm.. that package is already installed but i can only open .jre with xarchiver
• 374[02:09:02] <dixie7z> i will try terminal
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• 379[02:09:21] <TomTomTosch> and it still can't find the java binary?
• 380[02:09:33] <dixie7z> okej. now everything works. thanks
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• 383[02:10:29] <kfrz> Hey all. I'm actually on Debian stretch 4.7.0-1-amd64. I just got a SHINY new 4k monitor (Dell P2415Q) to complement my ( Dell u2312hm). I'm struggling to get everything set up as I intended, and I'm wondering if anyone here could help coach me through it. I'm using Xorg and Xrandr, but am open to switching to wayland if I can use i3wm. I'm trying to take an HDMI output, upconvert through a gofanco active HDMI to Displayport converter,
• 384[02:10:42] <kfrz> I want to daisy chain from DP out to DP in on my 23 in dell. it works as a mirror if I bring the 4k resolution down, but I can't figure out how to check if DP 1.2 is disabled on the U2312HM and nothing is coming up for Google. So here I am, any guru multi-monitor, laptop wielding genii here/
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• 394[02:16:48] <kfrz> TO be clear I don't need 60hz on the 4k at least for now, I realize my capbilities with MST are limited
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• 396[02:17:21] <kfrz> But any help getting this together with xorg and i3wm would be fantastic. I don't know where else to go for this sort of help! I had a fever dream I installed Windows just for the 4k support
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• 398[02:18:26] <Vizva> kfrz did you try such a graphical tool like kscreen?
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• 402[02:19:22] <Vizva> because i think it should be more than a mirror
• 403[02:19:33] <kfrz> Vizva: no, I'd prefer to stay with i3wm, wouldn't that need KDE?
• 404[02:19:58] <Vizva> such a tool have 2 screens
• 405[02:20:10] <Vizva> and you can move it around
• 406[02:20:15] <Vizva> the screen
• 407[02:20:28] <Vizva> if they sit on the same place you have a mirror
• 408[02:20:52] <Vizva> but if i go to the right side i have 2 different screens
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• 410[02:21:45] <TomTomTosch> arandr is a similar, DE agnostic tool. it's very basic, though.
• 411[02:21:46] <kfrz> I'm confused, Vizva, I installed kscreen now do I need to reboot ?
• 412[02:22:06] <Vizva> or you can try arandr
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• 414[02:22:18] <Vizva> but you can try both
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• 418[02:23:24] <Vizva> i dont know the terminal command now for kscreen
• 419[02:23:57] <kfrz> TomTomTosch arandr helps a bit but I have to be in 1080p to get even a mirror on the display link
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• 421[02:25:28] <Vizva> i cannot add that kscreen icon to my desktop now
• 422[02:25:42] <Vizva> i was looking for the command to start it
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• 427[02:26:58] <pressword> hi
• 428[02:27:10] <pressword> Is there a way for finding out how much the disk is under load? :) htop doesn't seem to show it
• 429[02:27:27] <abrotman> iotop?
• 430[02:27:28] <pressword> I want to find out what the bottleneck is. CPU and memory is very low, but the wordpress app runs very slowly
• 431[02:27:31] <pressword> ah iotop, ok
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• 433[02:28:33] <cast> run vmstat 1, notice the us sy id wa values
• 434[02:28:44] <pressword> oh nice
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• 436[02:28:51] <pressword> cast: vmstat, is the 'vm' something about virtual machine? :)
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• 438[02:29:04] <cast> man vmstat, it is not
• 439[02:29:06] <abrotman> about memeory
• 440[02:29:23] <pressword> ah, ok - well, apparently there is nearly zero load for both
• 441[02:29:30] <pressword> so it is probably the network connection I guess
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• 443[02:30:08] <abrotman> what is the actual problem you're having
• 444[02:30:10] <abrotman> ?
• 445[02:30:26] <pressword> abrotman: I run wordpress in a docker container and it is very slow although there is no cpu, memory load
• 446[02:30:38] <abrotman> pressword: what does 'top
• 447[02:30:49] <abrotman> 'top' show for various load parts?
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• 449[02:31:41] <pressword> hm, apache got 40% approx, but 100% is for one core, so it is still not the explanation. I mean, it should be 100% or even 800% for 8 cores
• 450[02:31:46] <Vizva> wow this arandr troubles me a lot its different
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• 453[02:33:05] <abrotman> pressword: I meant the other bits .. the % Cpus ststs
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• 458[02:34:28] <pressword> abrotman: when browser waits for page, two apache processes with approx. 30% for some time, then finally the reponse comes
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• 461[02:35:40] <abrotman> pressword: again,no .. the Cpu % line
• 462[02:36:15] <abrotman> %Cpu(s): 12.9 us, 2.9 sy, 0.0 ni, 83.2 id, 1.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
• 463[02:36:20] <abrotman> for example
• 464[02:37:36] <cast> heh, was trying to tab complete prstat and discovered prtstat [psmisc]
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• 466[02:39:28] <pressword> abrotman: during request: %Cpu(s): 0.0 us, 0.1 sy, 0.0 ni, 99.9 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
• 467[02:39:44] <pressword> hm, I see a wordpress warning, probably a timeout of something
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• 469[02:40:14] <abrotman> that's a lot of nothing
• 470[02:40:21] <abrotman> reverse dns warning?
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• 472[02:41:09] <pressword> "Warning: An unexpected error occurred. Something may be wrong with WordPress.org or this server"
• 473[02:41:16] <pressword> basically nothing helpful :/
• 474[02:41:31] <pressword> well, I read that someone increased the memory and it worked better? I will try that (it runs in a vm)
• 475[02:41:41] <pressword> 4G memory currently
• 476[02:41:58] <abrotman> wtf kind of website on WP needs 4GB?
• 477[02:42:08] <abrotman> get off my lawn!
• 478[02:42:10] <pressword> so it is probably not the memory then
• 479[02:42:11] <pressword> lol
• 480[02:42:16] <pressword> but it is PHP and WP :D
• 481[02:42:22] <pressword> ok, that was ranty
• 482[02:42:58] <pressword> I installed the "Query Monitor" plugin now in the hope that it tells me a bit more about the bottleneck
• 483[02:43:19] <pressword> 32.94s 3,851kb 0,0673s 34Q
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• 485[02:43:28] <pressword> great, more than a half minute for one page request
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• 487[02:43:52] <abrotman> sounds like a DNS timeout, but I don't use WP
• 488[02:44:00] <pressword> oh right, DNS could it be, too
• 489[02:44:06] <pressword> oh damn
• 490[02:44:08] <pressword> you are right
• 491[02:44:19] * abrotman mentioned DNS five minutes ago
• 492[02:44:21] <pressword> dig wordpress.com
• 493[02:44:22] <pressword> Got bad packet: FORMERR
• 494[02:44:31] <pressword> hm, the router seems to be acting strange
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• 496[02:45:28] <pressword> I am in the right channel :D
• 497[02:45:35] <pressword> how to change the DNS server permanently?
• 498[02:45:45] <pressword> from <router that is strange> to 8.8.8.8 (google public dns)?
• 499[02:45:52] <pressword> I mean, I can change it in /etc/resolv.conf - but a restart will undo it
• 500[02:46:00] <abrotman> why would it undo it?
• 501[02:46:09] <abrotman> are you using DHCP?
• 502[02:46:12] <pressword> yes
• 503[02:46:17] <pressword> vm is bridged, uses DHCP of router
• 504[02:46:48] <abrotman> you can tell dhclient not to request DNS
• 505[02:47:02] <abrotman> you can make the file immutable
• 506[02:47:30] <pressword> abrotman: so there is no elegant solution for setting a different dns server?
• 507[02:47:36] <abrotman> dpkg: tell pressword about fixresolvconf
• 508[02:47:37] <pressword> permanently? so that it doesn't use the one from dhcp/router?
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• 512[02:48:37] <pressword> dpkg is mute today
• 513[02:48:38] <dpkg> pressword: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 514[02:48:39] <pressword> :)
• 515[02:48:44] <pressword> lol
• 516[02:48:50] <pressword> ah, pm in tab
• 517[02:48:54] <abrotman> pressword: yes, pm
• 518[02:49:18] <pressword> I found it
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• 523[02:52:12] <pressword> abrotman: ok, this reason has been eliminated now, there is still slowness, probably the disk i/o because of docker
• 524[02:52:21] <pressword> which is not nice :/ there are open issues for it
• 525[02:54:39] <abrotman> pressword: do you see the processes in iowait?
• 526[02:54:50] <abrotman> also, define "slow"
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• 530[02:56:02] <pressword> abrotman: when I request an admin page or normal blog page in wordpress, I have to wait approx 30 seconds and more
• 531[02:56:06] <pressword> abrotman: I check iowait
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• 535[02:56:53] <abrotman> still sounds like DNS
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• 537[02:58:17] <pressword> abrotman: maybe the container uses its own dns/dhcp client settings - that could indeed be
• 538[02:58:45] <abrotman> pressword: from the browser, does it seem to hang, then fully complete in a split second?
• 539[02:59:16] <pressword> abrotman: yes, it waits for answer from wordpress, and then after a long time it suddenly shows the result
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• 541[02:59:45] <abrotman> Right, I'm still going with DNS problem :)
• 542[03:00:11] <pressword> ok, I check dig in container, too :P
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• 544[03:00:39] <abrotman> pressword: your apapche logs may show the time to serve the request
• 545[03:01:32] <pressword> yes, good idea
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• 559[03:07:03] <likcoras_> Hello, how can I set up monitors when I plug them in? Running 'xrandr --output DP1 --auto --left-of eDP1' (DP1 being the monitor I'm plugging in) works, how can I make it run when I plug in the monitor?
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• 564[03:09:46] <likcoras_> I tried adding a configuration file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d like so: replaced-url
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• 567[03:15:05] <pressword> abrotman: web_1 | 192.168.8.101 - - [28/Dec/2016:02:08:50 +0000] "GET /web/wp/wp-admin/ HTTP/1.1" 200 16331 "replaced-url
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• 572[03:16:54] <abrotman> I don't see a time .. might be an option to create that
• 573[03:17:00] <pressword> oh right :)
• 574[03:17:10] <abrotman> that's the size and HTTP code
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• 578[03:17:15] <abrotman> well, reverse that
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• 584[03:20:22] <greiogio> Latest kernel update done by me gives all my North American updates to Kernel.org that is hardware as long as they honor me for their biggest shapers 20 years. Thats kernel.org TOS. Kernel support is excellent. I gave Debian everything they wanted.
• 585[03:21:16] <greiogio> Grub2 is also fixed in Europe upon their acceptance. All kernels rerolled by law for that 0500 booger. Most evil virus ever.
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• 587[03:22:01] <petn-randall> greiogio: Are you sure you're on the right channel?
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• 592[03:23:12] <greiogio> yes. I am Debian supporter :D. And sponsored of their next priority international kernel.
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• 696[04:22:32] <linuxuser> hello, has anybody here heard of MX Linux or used it?
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• 702[04:23:53] <petn-randall> linuxuser: Your best bet is probably to ask in ##linux. This is a Debian support channel.
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• 705[04:24:11] <linuxuser> it is based on debian stable.
• 706[04:24:18] <petn-randall> !based on
• 707[04:24:18] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 708[04:24:50] <linuxuser> and when I clicked on the link for IRC channel for that, it brought me here.
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• 711[04:25:11] <petn-randall> linuxuser: You should probably file a bug report so they fix that.
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• 713[04:25:19] <petn-randall> !mx linux
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• 715[04:25:31] <linuxuser> ok.
• 716[04:26:07] <linuxuser> I chose it only because it is based on debian and particularly on debian stable.
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• 718[04:27:26] <petn-randall> linuxuser: Feel free to install Debian proper, and we can help you here. The channel probably has a strong bias towards Debian when comparing to derivatives.
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• 720[04:27:47] <linuxuser> ok.
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• 722[04:27:53] <petn-randall> mx linux seems to be so esoteric that it doesn't even have a factoid yet.
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• 724[04:28:19] <linuxuser> what does that mean? I am new to Linux.
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• 726[04:28:33] <tharkun> I've began to look into my web server's log, I get this weird GET for file clientaccesspolicy.xml is that microsoft only file?
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• 728[04:28:51] <tharkun> If that is OT here redirect me to the proper channel. please.
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• 735[04:30:15] <linuxuser> I have a very old laptop. 11 year old. Does Debian suit such laptops?
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• 737[04:30:33] <luis_> hmmmm, question, I'm testing Stretch in a VM and it says xfce depends on systemd (via dbus-something). Is this a hard depend or only a packaging requirement? Since XFCE forums mention xfce doesn't depend on systemd
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• 739[04:30:52] <linuxuser> It runs on Intel Celeron M single core 1.6 Ghz cpu, 2 gb ram.
• 740[04:31:03] <tharkun> linuxuser: yes, beware that you need to use a light dm and also a light wm if you want to have a graphics environment
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• 742[04:31:17] <luis_> linuxuser: I have had Celeron M laptops be-oh yeah, tharkun beat me to the punch
• 743[04:31:40] <linuxuser> ok. which distro would you suggest?
• 744[04:31:51] <tharkun> I've had debian on them before.
• 745[04:32:09] <luis_> Stock Debian with something like the LXDE desktop environment should run well
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• 747[04:32:15] <tharkun> luis_: take a look at how xfce is packaged and what dependencies it pulls.
• 748[04:32:15] <linuxuser> ok. Which DE or WM?
• 749[04:32:28] <tharkun> linuxuser: what luis_ told you.
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• 751[04:32:53] <linuxuser> ok. Debian with lxde. Will try that.
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• 753[04:33:26] <slayercoffee> replaced-url
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• 756[04:33:38] <linuxuser> is there any disadvantage of using debian based distros lik MX Linux rather than Debian proper?
• 757[04:33:39] <luis_> tharkun: from what I have seen, the only chain I was able to detect was xfconf <-- dbus-user-session <-- systemd
• 758[04:33:57] <slayercoffee> Breitbart has an account of demands from SJWs (aka “marginalized students”) at the University of Arizona. Again, it’s important to understand the “victimization stance” being employed. Almost all criminals tend to start with the “Poor Me, I’m a Victim” meme as an excuse for their evil. Ownership of victimhood is a powerful franchise to be used to attack and suppress targeted groups.
• 759[04:34:19] <tharkun> linuxuser: We are most handsome here and most helpfull beyond that pick your own poison and enjoy.
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• 761[04:34:41] <slayercoffee> Look at this though: replaced-url
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• 763[04:34:53] <tharkun> luis_: a bit above my hacking interest. but if you need a vm why shove a wm on it?
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• 766[04:35:21] <luis_> tharkun: I plan to eventually switch from Jessie to Stretch, was using the VM to test how Stretch is going development-wise
• 767[04:35:31] <tharkun> slayercoffee: What does it have to do with debian? Although your ideas might be of interest to others it is beyond the scope of this channel.
• 768[04:36:07] <luis_> linuxuser: I don't have much experience but I'd say any derivative's largest disadvantage is, simply put, that they are literally not Debian
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• 770[04:36:12] <linuxuser> ok. Will I as a beginner and someone switching over to Debian from Windows, get all the features and ease of use as some of the respins based on Debian claim to provide?
• 771[04:36:20] <tharkun> luis_: testing is for that. Testing the ride can get rough from one week to the other. For production use I prefer stable with a salt of sid but then that is my personal taste.
• 772[04:36:21] <luis_> meaning they miss on important bits of the support and community
• 773[04:36:33] <preaction> slayercoffee: oh, and your post is also anti-semitic. good job.
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• 775[04:36:48] <tharkun> For Desktop testing is a nice ride you get to break the systems every so often so it gets interesting.
• 776[04:36:59] <luis_> I can agree :p
• 777[04:37:21] <slayercoffee> preaction, what's antisemitic?
• 778[04:37:32] <luis_> However one of the main selling points for me for using Debian as my main OS is, or at this point was, the no need to use either systemd or pulseaudio
• 779[04:37:40] <slayercoffee> "Race or Ethnicity: White"
• 780[04:37:50] <slayercoffee> he's not White, he's a Jew. It says so in Wikipedia.
• 781[04:37:53] <preaction> slayercoffee: it means "biased against Semitic people", which generally means "Jewish people"
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• 785[04:38:07] <slayercoffee> preaction, I said they got his race wrong.
• 786[04:38:10] <petn-randall> !ot
• 787[04:38:10] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 788[04:38:55] <slayercoffee> preaction, I'm Italian. We've been trying for 300 years to keep the Jews out of here. We don't want them here, but they keep trying to push their way in and take over.
• 789[04:39:19] <tharkun> luis_: well systemd has been creeping on all graphic environment and unless you have a really huge number of users login in and out you should be fine.
• 790[04:39:21] <slayercoffee> They do the same thing all over the world, trying to blend in with the local people.
• 791[04:39:40] <dvs> !ops slayercoffee mumbo jumbo
• 792[04:39:41] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dvs complains about: slayercoffee mumbo jumbo
• 793[04:39:42] <petn-randall> slayercoffee: This is a Debian support channel, please take this discussion elsewhere.
• 794[04:39:45] <tharkun> slayercoffee: What does that have to do with debian?
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• 796[04:40:25] <linuxuser> guys, needed your inputs on my query, above..
• 797[04:40:25] <slayercoffee> tharkun, Off topic discourse by a developer. Let's change the subject.
• 798[04:40:47] <luis_> tharkun, Nah, it's only a family machine :p For the servers I manage at work I take more care to avoid unwanted stuff, but here in this case I'm mostly doing experimentation
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• 800[04:41:10] <tharkun> !sid
• 801[04:41:10] <dpkg> rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
• 802[04:41:16] <tharkun> !break
• 803[04:41:16] <dpkg> "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page replaced-url
• 804[04:41:34] <linuxuser> debian proper or debian derivative for a linux beginner?
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• 806[04:41:57] <tharkun> linuxuser: I began using Debian long ago,
• 807[04:42:00] <tharkun> !ubuntu
• 808[04:42:00] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 809[04:42:04] <petn-randall> linuxuser: this channel will tell you to use Debian.
• 810[04:42:18] <petn-randall> Except for tharkun, they're being weird ;)
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• 812[04:42:25] <luis_> linuxuser: my personal experience is, for a linux beginner, go from a well-known derivative like say Ubuntu for a year or two, then switch to Debian.
• 813[04:43:06] <slayercoffee> luis_, what do you think he'll get from switching to debian?
• 814[04:43:15] <slayercoffee> usually people get comfy on ubuntu and stay there.
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• 816[04:43:22] <linuxuser> what is the most preferred option after Debian, Ubuntu or Mint?
• 817[04:43:31] <tharkun> Well I love the high adrenaline way, go for Debian Testing with a lot of sith and upstream daemons. Your learning curve will be a nightmare but you will hack linux perfectly before next Christmas ;P
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• 820[04:43:37] <luis_> Actually I don't know of anyone who has stayed "comfy" at Ubuntu, but eh
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• 830[04:48:35] <DeaDSouL> Hi, Which is the most recommended at least 12U rack ?
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• 832[04:49:29] <linuxuser> guys, Mint or Ubuntu?
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• 834[04:50:31] <dvs> linuxuser, debian
• 835[04:50:53] <linuxuser> ok
• 836[04:52:51] <awal1> linuxuser: do you run any GNU/Linux OS yet?
• 837[04:53:22] <linuxuser> I am running MX Linux.
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• 840[04:53:49] <linuxuser> trying Live usb.
• 841[04:53:51] <Sabotender> linuxuser: I had problems with Mint so I moved to debian. I have NO issues since I have upgraded my kernel. It is difficult to upgrade things in Mint, so if you have an issue you might be SOL.
• 842[04:54:34] <linuxuser> ok. Mint is not advised, then?
• 843[04:54:49] <Sabotender> The only reason I liked mint was that it came stock with Cinnamon, but since Debian also has a flavour that has Cinnamon as default, I noticed nothing except better compatibility (and a few unimportant missing features in the DE itself)
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• 845[04:55:23] <Sabotender> linuxuser: I recommend you run the liveCD of mint, and test it on your system THOROUGHLY before committing.
• 846[04:55:31] <mrrhq> Mint and Ubuntu have their quirks. Personally, if you going to use Ubuntu, their community and support is pretty good, but I really prefer Ubuntu Mate for some reason, over regular Ubuntu.
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• 848[04:56:12] <mrrhq> I don't really use it though. I'd use it as an "appliance" OS.
• 849[04:56:16] <Sabotender> Test everything, all your hardware, especially USBx access with your devices, I had issues with videos freezing my entire system and making my mouse hang (As I said before, that got old fast)
• 850[04:56:42] <linuxuser> I need a lightweight distro. Ubuntu regular and Mint Cinnamon won't suit my needs, I think.
• 851[04:56:56] <mrrhq> Debian can be made lightweight.
• 852[04:57:05] <Sabotender> and the super old Mint kernel didn't play well with the NVIDIA drivers.
• 853[04:57:07] <mrrhq> Try Debian's minimal install.
• 854[04:57:24] <awal1> linuxuser: it looks like every night you have a topic A vs B :P
• 855[04:57:39] <linuxuser> ok. what about debian with xfce?
• 856[04:58:02] <Sabotender> I can only speak about the issues I have had with Mint. YMMV on your particular system/hardware.
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• 858[04:58:36] <Sabotender> also, Cinnamon may not even be your thing. :-P
• 859[04:58:48] <linuxuser> ok.
• 860[04:59:05] <linuxuser> which DE is more customizable?
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• 862[04:59:59] <luis_> Debian with XFCE is awesome for the most part.
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• 864[05:00:31] <linuxuser> ok. I'll try Debian with Xfce>
• 865[05:00:53] <awal1> linuxuser: you can install debian Jessie default (gnome) and, since all dependencies are satisfied, install all the desktop environments (kde, mate, cinnamon, lxde, xfce) and all window managers (openbox, fluxbox, fvwm...- like 20) try them all then chose the one you like!
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• 867[05:01:04] <mrrhq> I like Xfce, MATE, and just using a plain WM. just depends what I
• 868[05:01:10] <mrrhq> ..What I'm doing.
• 869[05:01:20] <mrrhq> Lol at accidential enter press.
• 870[05:01:27] <awal1> I have done that time ago and I was surprised about how all runs smoothly; all DE/WM in same machine
• 871[05:01:52] * luis_ switched to XFCE from Gnome in 2007, to Debian from Suse in 2009. Never had to look back up until late 2015-ish
• 872[05:02:18] <linuxuser> awall, you use Xfce?
• 873[05:02:34] <awal1> usually, yeah
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• 875[05:03:00] <linuxuser> ok. Will try that.
• 876[05:03:02] <Sabotender> and I like my DEs to be very visually appealing, and sticking with interfaces which I am familiar with. Unity is annoying, for example, because it tries to do its own thing a bit too much, and its memory intensive, AND it is too tied up with the internet. I think it is kind of sellout
• 877[05:03:09] <awal1> but right now I'm stick with minimal WM's
• 878[05:04:41] <awal1> linuxuser: what are your "needs"?
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• 880[05:05:00] <Sabotender> yeah I don't care for super minimal DEs unless I must use them, on a minimalist system. But this laptop is high end highly customised and I want to take advantage of the advanced hardware
• 881[05:05:06] <Sabotender> no need to go minimalist
• 882[05:05:11] <linuxuser> Need a distro for my old laptop.
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• 884[05:05:38] <awal1> so go for a debian minimal + fluxbox or jwm
• 885[05:05:55] <awal1> fluxbox & jwm are very easy window managers
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• 887[05:06:05] <linuxuser> ok. I'll try that.
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• 889[05:06:27] <awal1> i0ll try that i'll try that ta ta ta
• 890[05:06:29] <awal1> :D
• 891[05:06:47] <awal1> looks like you'll try all :P :D
• 892[05:07:04] <luis_> Depending on how old your hardware is, be careful with power management. I had issues with old Lenovo and Olidata laptops where the fan and screen brightness would just refuse to operate correctly until heavy hacking. :c
• 893[05:08:15] <mrrhq> The thermal paste and fans on old laptops needs to be replaced usually anyway, otherwise you get like idle temps of about 70C.
• 894[05:08:19] <Sabotender> Intel Core i7 -6700HQ CPU @ 2.7GHz x 4, 8GB RAM, ...linux is not giving me the friendly name of my discreet GPU and I cannot recall the name myself :-P
• 895[05:08:26] <mrrhq> Luckily you can do that on an IBM/Lenovo laptop.
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• 897[05:08:34] <linuxuser> I am a newbie to Linux. The number of options available is so confusing.
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• 900[05:09:09] <awal1> linuxuser: my last suggestion is debian minimal (no desktop environment) + xorg + icewm; icewm is light and user friendly, almost no need of editing files
• 901[05:09:44] <linuxuser> awal1, I'll go for this>
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• 903[05:10:03] <awal1> if you want something eye candy try debian minimal + fvwm-crystal
• 904[05:10:09] <mrrhq> Sabotender: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -E "^model name" | uniq
• 905[05:10:23] <linuxuser> guys, thanks a lot. for your help and inputs.
• 906[05:10:24] <mrrhq> I guess that's one way to figure it out.
• 907[05:11:43] <luis_> hmmmm now that I mention this
• 908[05:12:29] <luis_> is it just me or there were more governors in wheezy than what we have in jessie? I can only find powersave and conservative in my system, but I could swear I have some scripts from my time using wheezy that called one named ondemand or something
• 909[05:12:41] <luis_> powersave and performance*
• 910[05:13:23] * luis_ mostly recalls it because it idled really nice, though nowadays uses powersave because of work
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• 917[05:15:29] <mrrhq> What about powertop?
• 918[05:15:48] <Sabotender> mrrhq: that gives me my cpu name, not the GPU :-P
• 919[05:16:07] <arteenlace> Hi everyone. Can anybody tell me how to disable X-server logging? I google it, but found there only 1 solution -- link log files to /dev/null
• 920[05:16:13] <mrrhq> I think you want to do glxinfo | pager
• 921[05:16:18] <mrrhq> That might return your GPU model.
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• 923[05:16:57] <mrrhq> Or: glxinfo | grep "Device"
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• 925[05:17:26] <Sabotender> there it is: GeForce GTX 970M
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• 928[05:17:31] <luis_> Nice
• 929[05:17:36] <mrrhq> Oh cool, a Maxwell GPU.
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• 931[05:18:14] <Sabotender> sysinfo should really post THAT instead of something silly like : NVIDIA Corporation Device 13d8
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• 933[05:19:12] <mrrhq> Also, by running glxinfo, that also means 3D acelleration and OpenGL are working.
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• 1068[07:25:29] <Opsydev> Hi
• 1069[07:25:55] <Opsydev> Can I install devicemapper on Debian Jessie?
• 1070[07:26:13] <Opsydev> Or is this a pure RH thing?
• 1071[07:29:58] <grawity> isn't it even installed by default
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• 1089[07:48:40] <vjacob> Hi Debian users :) Any idea what to do about 'dist-upgrade' stopping at 'dev' ? I am on powerpc
• 1090[07:49:18] <vjacob> so far I am doing a hold on that package, but I am guessing that may not be a good idea, since the system may not boot correctly without the proper package installed
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• 1092[07:49:24] <vjacob> -dev +udev
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• 1094[07:50:32] <somiaj> vjacob: dist-upgrade from what version of debian to what version of debian?
• 1095[07:51:20] <vjacob> 8.6 to latest stable
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• 1100[07:54:48] <argolly> Wow... this many people still admit to using Debian? LOL!
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• 1103[07:56:02] <n4dir> vjacob: just to get the idea: what exactly means "stop" ? any specific error messages?
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• 1107[07:56:36] <n4dir> as soon i boot the powerpc i might check if i can reproduce the error. if you really want me to, i can do it now.
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• 1111[07:57:44] <vjacob> n4dir, no rush. I've got an idea which I will investigate before asking fur further assistance. thank you though, and hope that I might ask again, if I don't make progress
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• 1113[07:58:08] <n4dir> well: now you made me interested, let me boot it and do an upgrade
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• 1116[07:58:49] <argolly> Lol... a powerpc? Does this channel automatically time warp us back to the 20th century?
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• 1119[08:00:13] <vjacob> n4dir, I think it is because of my kernel version.
• 1120[08:00:27] <vjacob> n4dir, I didn't see the error at first, but I am told it's not up to scratch
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• 1122[08:02:07] <somiaj> up to scratch?
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• 1125[08:02:52] <n4dir> vjacob: no problems with apt-get upgrade here (and udev wasn't upgraded at all). apt-dist-upgrade upgraded nothing. let me check my kernel version
• 1126[08:03:12] <vjacob> well I am running a custom build of 2.6.32.65
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• 1128[08:03:17] <n4dir> 3.16.0.4
• 1129[08:03:53] <vjacob> would like to upgrade to that but I am not sure if it will work with this hardware
• 1130[08:04:03] * vjacob needs to google that
• 1131[08:04:34] <n4dir> i can't say that much about powerpc. sure your worries are valid, you never know what may work, and what not
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• 1133[08:05:42] <n4dir> if you are good with yaboot (is that the bootloader?) you might just install the default kernel, if it fails, use your self-compiled again (that would be easy on a PC, on a powerpc? no idea=
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• 1135[08:06:34] <vjacob> well the hardware in question is a NAS product by WD called "MyBook Live" and it may be hard to "unbrick it"
• 1136[08:06:48] <vjacob> my biggest question right now is, will I be fine without the upgraded 'dev'
• 1137[08:07:05] <vjacob> -dev +udev (d... spell control in irc client)
• 1138[08:07:10] <n4dir> i see. don't take anything i say too serious. ppc is weird, and for me it is very weird
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• 1142[08:10:22] <vjacob> thank you still
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• 1144[08:11:48] <vjacob> what would be a command to install a typical default install "set of packages" in debian?
• 1145[08:12:47] <vjacob> tasksel --task-packages standard ?
• 1146[08:14:27] <n4dir> would be my guess too.
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• 1149[08:18:21] <vjacob> thanks
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• 1157[08:24:13] <n4dir> vjacob: (not so sure anymore, i think there is a difference between the "base" and standard). Look here: replaced-url
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• 1163[08:26:59] <vjacob> was just reading that :)
• 1164[08:27:08] <vjacob> anyway it is along those lines
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• 1166[08:27:48] <n4dir> so "standard" is something you choose during tasksel, it adds stuff you pretty sure want (ain't much fun without them). While the nameless "base or "minimum" gets installed, no matter what. Without them you get nothing at all
• 1167[08:28:01] <n4dir> yeah, for me "along those lines" was always good enough.
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• 1171[08:28:41] <n4dir> trying to figure it out: i came to the idea you could do a debootstrap and force the upgrade of udev there, to see how it goes.
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• 1173[08:29:09] <vjacob> I could but I have a feeling doing a proper qualifying kernel upgrade is the way to go
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• 1175[08:29:33] <vjacob> rebooted and system still works for now without the udev upgrade, so no rush prior to doing a linux kernel upgrade also
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• 1177[08:32:21] <n4dir> yeah, i guess so. Good luck, whichever path you choose.
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• 1179[08:36:10] <vjacob> there is something very satisfying about installing a clean debian distro on hardware which was abandoned
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• 1181[08:36:24] <vjacob> I admit it.
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• 1187[08:39:10] <n4dir> i tried very hard to make use of the pre-installed OSX tiger, but it was all pointless. Finally installed Debian, and now it rocks (at least compared to the tiger)
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• 1189[08:39:25] <n4dir> up-to-date software, etc.
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• 1200[08:44:13] <n4dir> the bad news: debian gave up the ppc port (port being the right term?). Still a bit of time to go though (old-stable, la-la)
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• 1204[08:45:14] <vjacob> yes, it booted with a new kernel! (4.1)
• 1205[08:46:41] <vjacob> that is very sad.
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• 1207[08:47:14] <n4dir> it is. All options i know are FreeBSD or Gentoo (like said: i am not that much in the subject)
• 1208[08:47:33] <n4dir> glad your kernel upgrade worked. whew ....
• 1209[08:48:10] <jelly> n4dir: do those machines not run (also unreleased) ppc64el ?
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• 1211[08:48:51] <n4dir> never heard of that. i think, tired.
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• 1213[08:50:22] <jelly> they probably could, but, > The ppc64el port is not aimed for old Powerpc Macintosh machines, and, at the moment, there is no way to install it on this class of machines.
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• 1216[08:51:16] <vjacob> IMHO, there are many interesting products using powerpc these days in the kind of 'headless' space which might benefit from a debian port (and vice versa)
• 1217[08:51:24] <vjacob> like NAS boxes
• 1218[08:52:12] <n4dir> didn't know that.
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• 1220[08:52:17] <vjacob> that said, I am guessing ARM is where the boogie woogie is at these days
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• 1241[09:12:46] <vjacob> this is pretty neat replaced-url
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• 1243[09:15:20] <jelly> vjacob: it's not necessarily exhaustive, because the checksums debsums uses aren't a mandatory part of packages in debian
• 1244[09:15:53] <Iota> Good morning, world!
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• 1282[09:47:13] <vjacob> sorry about that. turned it off.
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• 1294[09:51:55] <Sabotender> hey what is that GUI application that allows you to see the SMART status of a device and also the estimated life left?
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• 1297[09:52:31] <Sabotender> Linux Mint had it, but I am sure it is NOT a Mint-specific application
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• 1306[09:56:49] <vjacob> Sabotender, smartctl or smartmontools
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• 1308[09:57:25] <vjacob> ah you wrote GUI :) assuming you do not mean command line
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• 1310[10:00:27] <Sabotender> vjacob: mmm danke
• 1311[10:00:48] <Sabotender> vjacob: yes, I avoid using the cli unless I absolutely have to
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• 1316[10:06:06] <vjacob> how does one readd a partition to a raid1 configuration using mdadm if the partition I want to add is currently active (I am getting "device or resource busy" when I try --add)
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• 1332[10:14:17] <hargut> Hello.
• 1333[10:14:51] <hargut> Can anyone of you provide a short information/link for the difference between bridge-ifaces and bridge-ports in /etc/network/interfaces?
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• 1337[10:15:21] <NoxiousPluK> hargut: maybe ask in ##networking :) or #networking... I keep forgetting
• 1338[10:15:36] <hargut> Tried to figure it out, with the docs, but wasn't successful so far. Could only find information on bridge-ports.
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• 1341[10:17:16] <hargut> man bridge-utils-interfaces could be another try.
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• 1348[10:19:42] <hargut> hmm.. no hints for bridge-ifaces. I'll try #networking.
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• 1351[10:20:31] <jelly> hargut: no idea, but did you read man bidge-utils-interfaces
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• 1353[10:21:27] <jelly> hargut: man bridge-utils-interfaces
• 1354[10:21:28] <hargut> jelly: Yes, had a look at that, but could't find any hint on bridge-ifaces.
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• 1356[10:21:42] <jelly> hargut: what makes you think it does anything, then
• 1357[10:22:27] <hargut> jelly: The documentation on here: replaced-url
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• 1361[10:24:57] <hargut> jelly: Further I think it might make sense to assign the bridge to a phys. port. E.g having bridge-ports eth0 and eth1, wanting the host to get an ip from the network on eth0, and passing the network onto eth1 for another client.
• 1362[10:25:23] <hargut> jelly: Could be a control for which port to use for network traffic on the host.
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• 1367[10:26:46] <jelly> hargut: the domain name suggests it might be something ubuntu-specific
• 1368[10:27:49] <jelly> if you have a bridge, underlying interfaces are not supposed to be configured, I don't think that is sane
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• 1385[10:34:48] <hargut> jelly: Just got some information on #networking. Seems that this option was documented a while ago, but removed/replaced by bridge-ports replaced-url
• 1386[10:34:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1388[10:36:03] <hargut> jelly: Question cleared, bridge-ifaces was at some point a valid syntax seemingly performing the same as bridge-ports, but is not used any more. Thank you.
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• 1420[10:48:34] <buu> If I have /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 and I'd really like to treat them both as a single device (for maximum performance) how do I pool them together?
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• 1422[10:49:51] <grawity> buu: some form of RAID, exactly which depends on what you value more (performance or your data)
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• 1424[10:50:34] <grawity> RAID 0 would be fast, but... keep backups
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• 1426[10:52:29] <buu> pssh backups
• 1427[10:52:43] <buu> grawity: So what's the difference between an lvm volume and raid0 here?
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• 1431[10:54:21] <NoxiousPluK> "Both RAID-0 and LVM achieve improved performance because of data striping across multiple storage devices. So in that respect they are the same." -- replaced-url
• 1432[10:54:33] <NoxiousPluK> there are no benchmarks tho so I have no idea how much the performance difference is
• 1433[10:54:43] <NoxiousPluK> and RAID0 is only really interesting if both disks are the same size
• 1434[10:55:23] <grawity> buu: LVM is a generic tool for volume management; it supports some RAID forms
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• 1436[10:55:44] <grawity> compared to dedicated RAID tools like mdadm and dm-raid
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• 1443[10:59:14] <buu> NoxiousPluK: replaced-url
• 1444[10:59:24] <buu> oh wait
• 1445[10:59:26] <buu> wtf
• 1446[10:59:37] <buu> That's a repost of an article from like 2007
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• 1448[10:59:43] <NoxiousPluK> lol
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• 1450[10:59:50] <NoxiousPluK> you might want to do your own tests then
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• 1452[10:59:57] <NoxiousPluK> based on controller, software versions, etc
• 1453[11:00:13] <NoxiousPluK> oh and your BIOS most likely supports HW RAID0
• 1454[11:00:23] <NoxiousPluK> might be even faster
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• 1456[11:00:56] <buu> um
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• 1458[11:01:03] <buu> I doubt it
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• 1461[11:01:36] <buu> they're nvme disks on pcie expansion cards
• 1462[11:01:41] <buu> I suspect my bios will just cry
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• 1472[11:04:50] <NoxiousPluK> buu: ah yea... that prolly wont work then :P
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• 1474[11:05:54] <buu> As you point out I might as well run my own benchmarks
• 1475[11:06:03] <buu> I just need to move some data around
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• 1547[11:49:54] <xantam> hi can someone help me with an upgrade of debian 8?
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• 1549[11:50:37] <SynrG> xantam: what's your issue?
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• 1552[11:51:24] <xantam> SynrG replaced-url
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• 1554[11:53:39] <SynrG> so this seems to say whatever command you typed, it's not upgrading the kernel
• 1555[11:53:53] <SynrG> and what command would that be?
• 1556[11:54:21] <xantam> apt-get update
• 1557[11:54:23] <xantam> :/
• 1558[11:54:27] <xantam> *upgrade
• 1559[11:54:44] <xantam> should i install the new kernel before?
• 1560[11:54:58] <SynrG> are you using this to upgrade from one release to another?
• 1561[11:55:06] <xantam> yeah
• 1562[11:55:15] <SynrG> normally you dist-upgrade
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• 1565[11:55:26] <xantam> i did
• 1566[11:55:31] <SynrG> do you have a stock debian kernel?
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• 1568[11:55:48] <xantam> uname -a says:
• 1569[11:55:49] <xantam> Linux ks311079.kimsufi.com 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #2 SMP Fri May 17 05:55:51 CEST 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1570[11:56:02] <SynrG> so, no
• 1571[11:56:14] <SynrG> are you on a virtual server then?
• 1572[11:56:17] <xantam> no
• 1573[11:56:36] <grawity> that looks like OVH
• 1574[11:56:47] <grawity> bare metal, but custom netbooted kernel
• 1575[11:56:49] <NoxiousPluK> kimsufi is OVH yes
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• 1578[11:57:09] <grawity> somewhere in the control panel, you can switch back from netboot to local
• 1579[11:57:13] <grawity> (you'll need grub and all that stuff)
• 1580[11:57:29] <grawity> I don't remember where; they've changed the control panel twice since then
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• 1582[11:57:54] <NoxiousPluK> they have a mix of 3 control panels now and they're all terrible and half-finished.. at least thats my experience ;-)
• 1583[11:58:12] <xantam> lemme check
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• 1587[11:59:04] <xantam> grawity replaced-url
• 1588[11:59:19] <grawity> that's the one, yeah
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• 1590[12:00:01] <xantam> so i got it in hd boot
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• 1599[12:03:15] <xantam> SynrG grawity any ideas?
• 1600[12:03:25] <grawity> is the hd actually bootable
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• 1604[12:04:19] <xantam> yeah
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• 1607[12:06:11] <NoxiousPluK> then it might work now
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• 1619[12:10:55] <xantam> can i run into problems cause i got a raid setup with mdadm?
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• 1621[12:11:31] <NoxiousPluK> one way to find out ;-) make sure you have backups / snapshots
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• 1633[12:15:14] <Guest12345> hello
• 1634[12:15:37] <Guest12345> what daemon I can use to handle keypress events?
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• 1637[12:16:09] <Guest12345> acpid does not see half of the 'multimedia' keys
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• 1639[12:16:56] <NoxiousPluK> use the keyboard in raw mode
• 1640[12:16:58] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
• 1641[12:17:20] <NoxiousPluK> you do have to do your own conversion from scan codes to characters tho
• 1642[12:17:34] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
• 1643[12:17:48] <NoxiousPluK> also see replaced-url
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• 1647[12:21:14] <xantam> uname -r
• 1648[12:21:14] <xantam> 3.16.0-4-amd64
• 1649[12:21:16] <xantam> :D
• 1650[12:21:46] <NoxiousPluK> woot :-)
• 1651[12:22:51] <Sabotender> this is the one I found so far replaced-url
• 1652[12:22:54] <Sabotender> oops
• 1653[12:23:07] <Sabotender> wrong channel
• 1654[12:23:19] <xantam> now the update of udev also worked
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• 1656[12:24:23] <NoxiousPluK> well gz xantam :-)
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• 1658[12:24:35] <NoxiousPluK> and now its a two-month process to figure out what doesnt work :-P
• 1659[12:24:48] <NoxiousPluK> hopefully nothing ^_^
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• 1679[12:39:15] <stoned> Hello
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• 1681[12:39:40] <stoned> What are some nice cursive fonts in debian one could use for PDF generation for blockquotes?
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• 1754[13:12:40] <EmleyMoor> Any good way to run Android apps on Debian?
• 1755[13:13:10] <NoxiousPluK> emulator?
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• 1758[13:13:46] <EmleyMoor> NoxiousPluK: Every one I've tried so far has not been actually any good
• 1759[13:13:47] <FinalX> emulators are really the only way - try android-x86 perhaps
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• 1761[13:14:05] <FinalX> there's Nox, for Windows, and they're saying they're going to make a Linux version, but not out yet iirc.
• 1762[13:14:12] <NoxiousPluK> I'm thinking Genymotion or Andy but most of that stuff is shit anyways
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• 1764[13:14:55] <EmleyMoor> Andy is not available for Linux and Genymotion fails to do anything with one particular app I wanted it for
• 1765[13:15:16] <NoxiousPluK> thats a shame
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• 1781[13:26:20] <Sabotender> you see this is stupid. I need to resize my encrypted partition with free space at the END (to the right) of the encrypted partition.
• 1782[13:26:52] <Sabotender> ALL the guides I see online refer to resizing with LVM which I am NOT using. It is just an encrypted partition. that is it
• 1783[13:27:31] <Sabotender> can anyone please give me a guide which shows step by step to resize a non LVM encrypted partition with free space to the right?
• 1784[13:27:36] <Sabotender> highlight me for attention
• 1785[13:27:51] <EmleyMoor> Sabotender: How did you set it up? I don't know of a way to do encrypted non-LVM
• 1786[13:28:29] <Sabotender> EmleyMoor: I followed this guide: replaced-url
• 1787[13:28:33] <FinalX> You can do whatever with encrypted partitions. You can just unlock it and make a full ext4 filesystem or any other on top of it. It's just an unlocked partition.
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• 1789[13:28:49] <FinalX> You can, as far as I know, however, NOT reduce the LUKS-partition in size.
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• 1791[13:29:20] <FinalX> That's why they suggest LVM, because LVM will do partitioning on top of the unlocked LUKS-partition, and allow you to reuse the rest of the space more freely again.
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• 1794[13:30:36] <Sabotender> is there any GUI partition app which will do this for me? I really dont want to do it in cli
• 1795[13:30:52] <Sabotender> gparted is clueless with encrypted paritions
• 1796[13:31:00] <jelly> Sabotender: resize as in grow or shrink?
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• 1798[13:31:05] <Sabotender> grow.
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• 1801[13:31:52] <jelly> read the cryptsetup docs, and do it in two steps. First grow the underlying partition, then grow the LUKS container
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• 1804[13:32:45] <FinalX> the whole point about encrypted partitions is that it looks like random data to anything until you unlock it
• 1805[13:33:00] <FinalX> so you most likely can't resize them if there's no LUKS tool that can do it
• 1806[13:33:19] <FinalX> first hit on google: replaced-url
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• 1808[13:34:07] <FinalX> oh that's also lvm, even though i searched for without :p
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• 1810[13:34:38] <Sabotender> yeah, I was just about to mention that I have already performed a google search and I saw that
• 1811[13:35:03] <FinalX> ah
• 1812[13:35:11] <FinalX> LUKS-tooling *CAN* resize your partition
• 1813[13:35:18] <FinalX> man cryptsetup => resize
• 1814[13:35:27] <FinalX> see also replaced-url
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• 1817[13:35:38] <grawity> you don't actually need to resize it
• 1818[13:35:44] <FinalX> ?
• 1819[13:35:51] <FinalX> that was his sole question..
• 1820[13:35:52] <grawity> `cryptsetup resize` is only for doing so without re-unlocking
• 1821[13:35:59] <Sabotender> saw that too
• 1822[13:36:08] <jelly> FinalX: > Note that this does not change the raw device geometry,
• 1823[13:36:11] <Sabotender> that redirects to LVM
• 1824[13:36:16] <jelly> FinalX: from the man page in jessie
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• 1826[13:36:35] <jelly> so you need to take care of the partition separately
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• 1829[13:36:56] <FinalX> ah
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• 1831[13:37:17] <FinalX> I see it now; well, that brings me back to my original answer then, "you probably can't"
• 1832[13:37:35] <jelly> so... when telling someone to RTFM, it's nice if you've done it yourself first
• 1833[13:38:04] <NoxiousPluK> lol
• 1834[13:38:05] <FinalX> Sure. Already said you couldn't, though.
• 1835[13:38:13] <FinalX> And I didn't see anybody else in here chip in, at all.
• 1836[13:38:19] <FinalX> You included.
• 1837[13:38:35] <jelly> [13:31] <jelly> read the cryptsetup docs, and do it in two steps. First grow the underlying partition, then grow the LUKS container
• 1838[13:39:19] <jelly> "cryptsetup resize" is the latter step.
• 1839[13:39:33] <Sabotender> is there any gui partitioning application that will do this for me?
• 1840[13:39:52] <Sabotender> like gparted but smarter
• 1841[13:40:18] <jelly> assume there isn't and do it yourself, carefully
• 1842[13:40:36] <Sabotender> that doesn't answer my question, but thanks
• 1843[13:41:32] <Sabotender> I know that kde partitionmanager can do it, guess I will burn a livecd which has it by default and use that. i don't want to install anything kde related on my cinnamon build
• 1844[13:41:38] <jelly> it's an educated guess aimed at saving your time
• 1845[13:41:54] <NoxiousPluK> Sabotender: learn to program and write a nice GUI :-)
• 1846[13:41:57] <Sabotender> but that doesn't really save my time
• 1847[13:42:08] <Sabotender> NoxiousPluK: I already know how to program ;-)
• 1848[13:42:16] <NoxiousPluK> see, you're halfway there
• 1849[13:42:18] <NoxiousPluK> ^_^
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• 1853[13:43:13] <Sabotender> I really hate doing cli crap, especially without any step-by-step hold-my-hand guides. The only reason I was able to create that new encrypted partion was because the steps were basically cut and paste
• 1854[13:44:05] <Sabotender> I am not going to sit here and scratch my head trying to figure out which switches and options are appropriate for my needs, especially when can accident can be disastrous. Anyway, thanks for the convo
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• 1858[13:44:43] <jelly> perhaps you can pay someone to do it in you're not confident enough or willing to invest time learning the underlying tools
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• 1863[13:45:06] <NoxiousPluK> Sabotender: backups :-)
• 1864[13:45:39] <Sabotender> perhaps its time to put someone on ignore for the time being.
• 1865[13:45:53] <Sabotender> NoxiousPluK: true, very true. I am working on it ;-)
• 1866[13:46:02] <NoxiousPluK> well good luck :-)
• 1867[13:46:09] <Sabotender> thanks :-D
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• 1870[13:48:06] <Sabotender> this is why I hate Linux. Everyone expects you to be an expert and just LOVE using the cli. Heck, it's a wonder why desktop enviorments/window managers exist at all, if all the tools are stuck in CLI form. ;-) moving to a different channel
• 1871[13:48:46] <NoxiousPluK> its mainly because when X people use some feature and they don't have issues with the CLI, there won't be a GUI way of doing it any time soon :)
• 1872[13:48:50] <n4dir> "everyone loves using the cli". lol. Not sure in which universe you are living
• 1873[13:48:55] <NoxiousPluK> because its either noones or everyones responsibility
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• 1875[13:49:25] <NoxiousPluK> the day you use Linux is the day that you're on your own, unless you use some commercial variant where people will do stuff for you when you pay 'em
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• 1879[13:50:04] <teclo-> looks like Sabotender is so dumb he can't use the command line... Indeed, go back to W*ndows
• 1880[13:51:24] <jelly> Sabotender: if there actually is no GUI that I know of to do what you want, but there is a way to achieve it with CLI, then you get that answer. Hate it or not, it's just facts
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• 1883[13:52:19] <jelly> teclo-: managing different expectations can be done better than telling someone they're dumb. You get one warning, don't do it again
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• 1885[13:53:41] <teclo-> jelly: I apologize for using that word, but he kinda started it with "I hate Linux it's all CLI"... I personnaly never go to #windows to tell "I hate W*ndows it's all GUI"...
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• 1895[13:59:23] <jelly> teclo-: started what? Sabotender expressed a frustration not being able to do what seems like a common task using what seems, to them, like common tools (that actually do not exist).
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• 1897[14:00:12] <jelly> they don't hate anyone personally, and hating Linux is not a personal offense
• 1898[14:00:21] <n4dir> "expressed a frustration" seems like a friendly version of it.
• 1899[14:00:32] <jelly> it is what it is
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• 1901[14:01:05] <n4dir> if using cryptsetup one should know what one runs into (say you sometimes have to repair grub, have to restore a backup, etc).
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• 1904[14:01:14] <jelly> if you can't see it's frustration, you haven't worked tech support a whole lot
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• 1907[14:01:56] <NoxiousPluK> or you're so much of a linux apostle that every piece of frustration is a personal attack :) .. let that go people <3
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• 1909[14:02:00] <NoxiousPluK> /s
• 1910[14:02:16] <n4dir> as far it's me: not at all (and pretty happy i haven't got to do it ... not that i was able at all).
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• 1930[14:15:37] <ScriptAce> Hi there, I have two wlans (wlan0, wlan1) and want to put wlan1 into monitor with airmon-ng but also want to keep wlan0 connected. Is this possible and if so how? (testing home network stuff of pi)
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• 1932[14:16:26] <jelly> ScriptAce: if you're on raspbian, ask in #raspbian channel
• 1933[14:17:15] <jelly> they'll know the details on disabling network-manager on their OS better
• 1934[14:17:48] <ScriptAce> any idea if I installed debian (arm) on a raspberry pi if it would work or should I just try it?
• 1935[14:18:04] <grawity> it shouldn't require disabling NM
• 1936[14:18:29] <grawity> does raspbian have NM ≥1.4 though?
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• 1938[14:18:50] <ScriptAce> grawity: it wants you too kill any task to do with network and I think raspbian uses wpa_suplicant
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• 1941[14:19:11] <grawity> it says that, but it's not really required most of the time
• 1942[14:19:21] <grawity> or, well, I'm not 100% sure on raspberry's wifi drivers
• 1943[14:19:43] <ScriptAce> let me reboot it then show you what it says
• 1944[14:19:49] <grawity> but if it uses the new mac80211-based method, then you don't need that
• 1945[14:19:53] <ScriptAce> I'm use to working with kali tbh
• 1946[14:19:55] <grawity> since it creates a *new* monitor interface
• 1947[14:20:15] <grawity> and AFAIK wpa_supplicant recognizes those monitor interfaces and won't bother them
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• 1949[14:20:29] <ScriptAce> My knowledge is only recently going to debian as I was a scriptkiddy before
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• 1953[14:22:01] <ScriptAce> replaced-url
• 1954[14:22:02] <n4dir> i am not sure, but don't think it is (rather was) possible to install debian-arm on the raspberry pi.
• 1955[14:22:20] <ScriptAce> I can always try flashing my other one
• 1956[14:22:30] <TomTomTo1> with stretch and rpi3.
• 1957[14:22:44] <n4dir> TomTomTo1: that would work?
• 1958[14:23:01] <n4dir> well, i got no version 3 anyway ...
• 1959[14:23:09] <ScriptAce> I have pi 3 b
• 1960[14:23:14] <ScriptAce> 2 of them
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• 1962[14:23:28] <ScriptAce> also did you see the screenshot?
• 1963[14:23:55] <TomTomTo1> at least you don't need a custom kernel with those. there is an effort to get better support on the rpi3. replaced-url
• 1964[14:24:23] <n4dir> thanks for the info TomTomTo1
• 1965[14:24:43] <TomTomTo1> np :)
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• 1970[14:27:02] <ScriptAce> I know get a no such device
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• 1975[14:28:49] <NoxiousPluK> ScriptAce: replaced-url
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• 1977[14:29:01] <ScriptAce> so some bugs then I guess
• 1978[14:29:03] <NoxiousPluK> oh TomTomTo1 already linked it
• 1979[14:29:20] <ScriptAce> and I kinda messed up the pi now -_-
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• 1990[14:31:47] <ScriptAce> Well I broke it :)
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• 1995[14:33:35] <ScriptAce> I have to go thanks for the support and have a nice rest of the day
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• 1998[14:34:10] <NoxiousPluK> :D
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• 2000[14:34:12] <NoxiousPluK> you too
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• 2005[14:35:38] <Ooze> What's the best way to transfer large amounts of data between disks on the same Debian system?
• 2006[14:35:50] <Ooze> just dd?
• 2007[14:36:04] <Ooze> Actually, I want to copy
• 2008[14:36:20] <grawity> I'd say rsync
• 2009[14:36:23] <jelly> rsync
• 2010[14:36:31] <grawity> unless you want the disks to be bit-by-bit identical
• 2011[14:36:39] <babilen> But then you could use cp
• 2012[14:36:39] <jelly> with a careful choice of options
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• 2014[14:37:01] <Scuttle> rsync -avL /source /destination
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• 2016[14:37:13] <d33tah> hi!
• 2017[14:37:16] <NoxiousPluK> ohai
• 2018[14:37:21] <babilen> Ooze: Do you want to copy file(s) (how many?) or disks?
• 2019[14:37:21] <d33tah> i'd like to port a package from Kali Linux to Debian
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• 2021[14:37:43] <d33tah> i added deb-src for kali to /etc/apt/sources.list
• 2022[14:37:45] <d33tah> apt-get source wifiphisher --download-only
• 2023[14:37:53] <d33tah> "NOTICE: 'wifiphisher' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system"
• 2024[14:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1664
• 2025[14:38:17] <d33tah> i'd like to get a source package i could push to a PPA. could anybody help me figure out how to do that?
• 2026[14:38:36] <jelly> d33tah: that's not an error, just a notice that you may not be getting the latest maintainer's code
• 2027[14:38:44] <d33tah> okay
• 2028[14:38:53] <d33tah> so i got two .tar.gz files and one .dsc
• 2029[14:38:55] <NoxiousPluK> d33tah: replaced-url
• 2030[14:38:56] <jelly> probably best to ask the kali maintainer
• 2031[14:39:08] <babilen> d33tah: You could grab the code in the git repo with "debcheckout wifiphisher"
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• 2034[14:39:47] <babilen> (assuming the kali maintainer set the headers needed for that functionality)
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• 2037[14:41:52] <d33tah> dput documentation refers to ".changes" file. how do i get this one?
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• 2042[14:43:15] <EmleyMoor> Still no luck re this Android thing...
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• 2046[14:43:55] <Ooze> babilen: files, because I need to conjoin two different disks onto one
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• 2049[14:44:16] <babilen> Ooze: rsync is probably the best choice then
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• 2054[14:45:33] <Ooze> Any good documentation to look at? Most of what I'm finding is automated backup purposes
• 2055[14:45:44] <Ooze> I'm just trying to copy 4TB from one disk to another today
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• 2057[14:46:45] <n4dir> one thing what always confuses me is there is a difference between: rsync /source ... and rsync /source/
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• 2061[14:47:37] <NoxiousPluK> once you get the hang of it, it makes sense
• 2062[14:47:41] <NoxiousPluK> its the same with cp
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• 2064[14:47:43] <NoxiousPluK> and rm
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• 2067[14:48:08] <grawity> n4dir: I expect it to be similar to `ls -l symlink` vs `ls -l symlink/`
• 2068[14:48:18] <grawity> one refers to the object itself, other to its contents only
• 2069[14:48:25] <n4dir> yeah, just saying it is a good idea to keep that in mind (mainly when using tab-completion, which will add the trailing /, which is not always what you want)
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• 2071[14:48:56] <Ooze> I'm looking over this, but all I really need to do is copy /media/X/ to /media/Y/
• 2072[14:48:59] <Ooze> replaced-url
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• 2077[14:49:44] <Ooze> Seems like this is primarily used for remote server transfers
• 2078[14:49:56] <grawity> it doesn't care
• 2079[14:50:06] <grawity> works just as well locally
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• 2081[14:50:24] <Ooze> Okay, just trying to find the fastest way that still depicts current status
• 2082[14:50:26] <grawity> and still has the same advantages over `cp -a`, such as being resumable
• 2083[14:50:36] <grawity> "fastest" mostly depends on how fast your disks can spin...
• 2084[14:50:37] <n4dir> first shot: rsync -auv /media/X/* /media/Y
• 2085[14:50:39] <Ooze> Why not just use cp -a?
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• 2087[14:50:58] <grawity> cp -av is fine if you don't expect any sort of interruption
• 2088[14:51:02] <n4dir> above the option -L was mentioned. i don't know it
• 2089[14:51:11] <Ooze> I don't anticipate any, but I'd not mind being safe
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• 2092[14:51:28] <Ooze> n4dir: Why /media/Y and not Y/?
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• 2094[14:51:48] <grawity> well, either way, rsync can resume after a cp -av
• 2095[14:51:49] <n4dir> Ooze: that is the path you gave, thats why
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• 2097[14:52:15] <n4dir> yeah, if something goes south, and you use -u during the next run, not everything will be synced again .
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• 2100[14:52:33] <n4dir> which will save a lot of time when dealing with much data
• 2101[14:53:00] <Ooze> Yes, I would think so
• 2102[14:53:20] <grawity> you don't need -u for that
• 2103[14:53:29] <grawity> incremental is already the default in rsync
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• 2105[14:53:39] <Ooze> Okay, I'm going w/ 'rsync -auv /media/huron/* /media/transfer/'
• 2106[14:53:50] <n4dir> Ooze: i think i would really recommend creating a test directory and do a few tests
• 2107[14:53:54] <Ooze> Should I not have a trailing/?
• 2108[14:54:01] <Ooze> Yeah I wouldn't mind that
• 2109[14:54:04] <grawity> that's fine; OTOH you should not have a trailing *
• 2110[14:54:09] <grawity> there's always --dry-run
• 2111[14:54:09] <Ooze> Just do a smaller dir contained within?
• 2112[14:54:10] <n4dir> you can also add --dry-run, which will show what it will do without doing anything
• 2113[14:54:17] <Ooze> nice
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• 2115[14:54:32] <Ooze> 'rsync -auv --dry-run /media/huron/* /media/transfer/' ??
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• 2117[14:54:43] <NoxiousPluK> sounds like magic in the making
• 2118[14:54:51] <n4dir> like said, above the -L option was mentioned
• 2119[14:55:07] <grawity> the -L option doesn't seem particularly useful though?
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• 2121[14:55:13] <n4dir> i am fine with -auv, but i got only little needs
• 2122[14:55:29] <Ooze> Oh, yes I have links I'd need to copy as well
• 2123[14:55:37] <grawity> rsync already copies links by default
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• 2125[14:55:41] <grawity> -L makes it *expand* the links
• 2126[14:55:44] <Ooze> hmmmm
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• 2129[14:55:47] <Ooze> I don't think I want that..
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• 2133[14:56:02] <grawity> the -a already includes the "copy symlinks" option
• 2134[14:56:12] <Ooze> I have a folder in that disk using another mountpoint
• 2135[14:56:17] <Ooze> dunno if that'd be an issue
• 2136[14:56:23] <grawity> do you want to include or skip it?
• 2137[14:56:34] <Ooze> include it
• 2138[14:56:38] <n4dir> there is --exclude="another mountpoint" here
• 2139[14:56:56] <grawity> it'll be included by default (rsync will just copy it like a directory with files)
• 2140[14:57:01] <n4dir> ah, include it.
• 2141[14:57:02] <Ooze> Okay, nice
• 2142[14:57:04] <Ooze> That's what i wanted
• 2143[14:57:09] <grawity> so will cp -a, I think
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• 2145[14:57:14] <grawity> both have -x to skip mountpoints
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• 2147[14:58:14] <Ooze> Okay, looks like that dry-run is what I want
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• 2149[14:58:28] <Ooze> seems to go in the correct directories, tons of text flying by though
• 2150[14:58:42] <n4dir> or a test directory, too fool a bit
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• 2152[14:59:05] <NoxiousPluK> can always |more it :p
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• 2155[14:59:30] <n4dir> perhaps grawity can put some light on rsync /source and rsync /source/
• 2156[14:59:56] <Ooze> Giving me a permssions denied on mkdir
• 2157[15:00:05] <grawity> I think /source would result in /mnt/dest/source
• 2158[15:00:08] <Ooze> Should I be running this as sudo or will that destroy my exisitng merissions?
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• 2160[15:00:12] <Ooze> permissions*
• 2161[15:00:41] <grawity> (though /source/* is more like /source than /source/)
• 2162[15:00:49] <NoxiousPluK> -p, --perms preserve permissions
• 2163[15:00:50] <n4dir> well, grawity i am never sure, hence i usually use /* (cause there i *do know what the result will be)
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• 2165[15:01:01] <NoxiousPluK> or:
• 2166[15:01:03] <NoxiousPluK> -a, --archive archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X)
• 2167[15:01:09] <Ooze> nvm, there it goes
• 2168[15:01:10] <Ooze> wooo
• 2169[15:01:11] <NoxiousPluK> also see replaced-url
• 2170[15:01:20] <n4dir> Ooze: Boom !
• 2171[15:01:33] <grawity> n4dir: well /* is basically /foo /bar /baz
• 2172[15:01:34] <Ooze> So, if I Ctrl+c this, just re-run the command and it will pick up where it left off?
• 2173[15:01:38] <grawity> n4dir: so like the version without /
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• 2175[15:01:40] <grawity> Ooze: yes
• 2176[15:01:47] <Ooze> Excellent
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• 2180[15:02:07] <NoxiousPluK> yay software
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• 2184[15:02:25] <n4dir> ah, grawity i guess so (as i get what i don't want when using tab-completion, which adds the trailing /. Then i wonder how come the rsync takes so long ... then clean up the mess)
• 2185[15:02:30] <Ooze> Now that the disk already contains one of these directories, if I try to copy the parent will it be overwritten? Will I be prompted?
• 2186[15:02:41] <grawity> rsync always overwrites
• 2187[15:02:48] <grawity> (or ignores, depending on settings)
• 2188[15:03:01] <MrKeuner> hi, anybody able to get Filmstruck movies work on Debian stable? FF/Chrome?
• 2189[15:03:14] <Ooze> That's spooky
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• 2192[15:03:29] <Ooze> but I guess you'd need a duplicate file to override, so you can't lose data really
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• 2194[15:03:32] <Ooze> I hope
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• 2197[15:05:21] <n4dir> it won't delete, if you don't add --delete (--delete-before, etc)
• 2198[15:05:32] <n4dir> not sure bout directories, but sure no files
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• 2201[15:06:08] <Ooze> Okay
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• 2204[15:06:41] <n4dir> well: don't take my word for it. just a guy from the internet ...
• 2205[15:07:03] <Ooze> eep
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• 2207[15:07:55] <Ooze> Well, that command seemed to work. Can play MP3 in both locations still
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• 2209[15:08:08] <Ooze> Figure I can use it for the rest of the disk
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• 2233[15:17:46] <Ooze> Is there a way to see remaining time?
• 2234[15:17:58] <Ooze> Current progress in a bar or something, more than just a listing of files
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• 2236[15:18:29] <NoxiousPluK> --progress
• 2237[15:19:05] <NoxiousPluK> or use pv
• 2238[15:19:09] <Ooze> woo
• 2239[15:19:10] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
• 2240[15:19:15] <Ooze> That's p nice
• 2241[15:19:16] <Ooze> I like that
• 2242[15:19:32] <NoxiousPluK> replaced-url
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• 2245[15:20:17] <NoxiousPluK> I'd prever --progress, less complex :p
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• 2247[15:21:18] <jelly> rsync's -P (or --progress) doesn't exactly give an ETA
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• 2249[15:21:53] <jelly> but output of "df" and "df -i" can be clue enough
• 2250[15:22:09] <SaganMan> hello, can someone help me regarding an issue ?
• 2251[15:22:20] <jelly> !ask
• 2252[15:22:20] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2254[15:23:39] <abrotman> Ooze: you can rsync a kill -1 (I think, read the man page), and it will show you the progress
• 2255[15:23:53] <SaganMan> I'm running debian 8 jessie with xfce on a laptop. I want to know whether there's any advanced power management tool which which I need for laptop to shutdown when I have power down and lapop uses battery power.
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• 2258[15:25:49] <n4dir> not sure if the xfce4-panel plugin has the option to exectute actions in case of ... . You said avanced, so you probably looked already
• 2259[15:25:56] <NoxiousPluK> I did a quick google and found replaced-url
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• 2266[15:27:57] <SaganMan> I did find that but I'm using xfce and I don't know much about shell scripting
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• 2316[15:48:53] <doublehp> I have set sshfs; how to stop using encryption to use less CPU ?
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• 2326[15:53:33] <n4dir> wether this is a good idea or not is beyond me: replaced-url
• 2327[15:53:40] <abrotman> doublehp: uhm, sshfs .. encryptoin .. do you understnd what youre assking?
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• 2330[15:54:25] <abrotman> doublehp: if you don't want encryption, use something else?
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• 2335[15:56:33] <doublehp> abrotman: read back the chat history, a few weeks ago about spending 5 days on bugged NFS and 3 days on bugged Samba; and fact FTP does not support a tenth of what I need; just never told I am mounting a Virtualbox server from it's client; so, the "unsecure network link" is about ... a few nano meters long across the CP itself ...
• 2336[15:56:55] <abrotman> I'm not going bakc two weeks to read your history :)
• 2337[15:57:04] <teraflops> hehe
• 2338[15:57:30] * abrotman suspects PEBKAC if NFS and Samba are both too "bugged"
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• 2340[15:57:42] <doublehp> plus the network link is a peer to peer, with no chance to ever be spied ... so, yes I feel 100% confident in understanding what I am asking. I dare stating that eating my CPU in encrupting a virtual link between inside the same host is throuwing money out of the window
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• 2344[15:58:25] <NoxiousPluK> nfs works very fine for me
• 2345[15:58:39] <abrotman> doublehp: there are dozens of network filesystems. You're not limited to those three choices
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• 2348[15:59:45] <dionysus69> gnome notification beep crashes anything running on wine
• 2349[15:59:53] <NoxiousPluK> I use soft and async tho as mount options @ nfs
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• 2352[16:00:14] <dionysus69> how do I disable this ?? I disabled gnome notifcation banners from settings but this is not enough
• 2353[16:00:15] <NoxiousPluK> makes it much smoother
• 2354[16:00:21] <abrotman> I mean, there's always NetWare
• 2355[16:01:46] <dvs> O_O
• 2356[16:02:12] <abrotman> yeah, I said it
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• 2359[16:02:56] <doublehp> n4dir: good idea
• 2360[16:03:25] <NoxiousPluK> :D
• 2361[16:03:34] <n4dir> not really mine. was wondering if it is possible, searched the web, found a thread, most said what abrotman said, and one gave the link.
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• 2363[16:04:34] <Ooze> I just lost my session, but I don't think the transfer has been continuing
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• 2365[16:04:37] <doublehp> abrotman: i want the filesystem to behave like a local disk: mounted at boot by root, handle all user permissions (be able to bear a /home ) , support locks. Lost too much time in NFS and Samba; sshfs works fine since 1 month; now I want to save my CPU.
• 2366[16:04:40] <Ooze> Is there a way to run this in the background?
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• 2368[16:04:47] <Ooze> Maybe I should just run it in a screen session...
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• 2370[16:05:21] <Ooze> Yeah, I think that'll work well
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• 2372[16:05:44] <da3m0n22> /win c
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• 2377[16:07:00] <NoxiousPluK> screen -dmS rsync
• 2378[16:07:02] <NoxiousPluK> :p
• 2379[16:07:02] <n4dir> i guess you could also run it from a tty, Ooze (my first thought was screen too, though=
• 2380[16:07:16] <da3m0n22> hi, stretch/sid is reporting one repository as "not signed", however latest 8.6 does not, could anybody check for me, if the problem is on repository or in sid ?
• 2381[16:07:33] <da3m0n22> apt conf "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
• 2382[16:08:24] <jrtc27> da3m0n22: I would guess that's because there's a Release.gpg, but stretch/sid use the newer InRelease (which is Release+Release.gpg combined)
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• 2387[16:08:58] <da3m0n22> so the repository has to support sid, or is it possible to set per-repository compatibility level?
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• 2391[16:10:21] <da3m0n22> however I don't suspect this, because earlier error shows "The following signatures were invalid"
• 2392[16:10:36] <da3m0n22> but when I download manually Release and Release.gpg, i can successfully verify the signature
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• 2410[16:18:04] <doublehp> abrotman: which other FS can stand my requirements ?
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• 2419[16:20:12] <NoxiousPluK> that totally depends on your requirements
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• 2423[16:21:08] <NoxiousPluK> and otherwise there's always this: replaced-url
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• 2428[16:22:51] <da3m0n22> jrtc27: but yes, apt is looking for InRelease, is it possible to configure source to use Release+Release.gpg instead of InRelease ? I think this should work automatically
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• 2434[16:25:34] <jrtc27> da3m0n22: not sure; I would have thought it would fall back on Release.gpg
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• 2436[16:26:02] <jrtc27> you're sure you've added the gpg key to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg(.d/)?
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• 2439[16:27:01] <da3m0n22> yes, I can "gpg --verify Release.gpg Release" without specifying anything, and missing key, I'd expect NO_PUBKEY
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• 2443[16:27:48] <da3m0n22> jrtc27: also "apt-key list" shows the appropriate key
• 2444[16:28:08] <jrtc27> ... I was about to say gpg --verify doesn't mean it's in apt's keyring, but ok
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• 2459[16:33:00] <dionysus69> wine program crashes randomly on gnome events like connecting usb has sound/notification
• 2460[16:33:04] <dionysus69> chat notification
• 2461[16:33:06] <dionysus69> and other
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• 2463[16:33:26] <dionysus69> how can i deduce what is causing the problem? it could be audio problem too
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• 2465[16:34:24] <dionysus69> does wine log anything anywhere? program just freezes ... sometimes it can work for an hour straight but sometimes I can forcefully recreate freeze in just 20 seconds by plugging in usb out repeatedly
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• 2467[16:34:32] <jrtc27> da3m0n22: running sid, apt tries InRelease then falls back on Release.gpg
• 2468[16:34:51] <jrtc27> I haven't added the public key though so it complains
• 2469[16:35:01] <jrtc27> what's the full output of apt(-get) update?
• 2470[16:35:05] <Delf> Is there a way to send email to a bug on debian without giving away ones identity or email address and such?
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• 2476[16:36:50] <pressword> Delf: "bug on debian" <- mail about some technical issue with it?
• 2477[16:36:53] <da3m0n22> jrtc27: replaced-url
• 2478[16:37:09] <da3m0n22> jrtc27: it falls back, but fails to verify Release with Release.gpg, haven't straced it yet
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• 2481[16:37:35] <abrotman> doublehp: you can do your own research, start at wikipedia
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• 2484[16:38:45] <jrtc27> da3m0n22: run apt verbosely? -vvvvvvv should be enough -v's to show everything :)
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• 2494[16:40:07] <da3m0n22> jrtc27: -v does not work -V is show full versions
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• 2496[16:40:54] <jrtc27> da3m0n22: oh, right, sorry, that's aptitude only
• 2497[16:41:03] <radishingrick> hello - can i install debian (dual boot windows) and encrypt the home folder during installation without formatting ssd?
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• 2501[16:42:12] <abrotman> radishingrick: should be able to
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• 2503[16:42:46] <abrotman> radishingrick: I assume Windows is already installed? May need to use gparted to resize it, and then use the rest for Linux
• 2504[16:42:47] <radishingrick> ok great. is there an option to just encrypt the home folder during the installation phase?
• 2505[16:42:56] <jrtc27> da3m0n22: how about -o Debug::Acquire::gpgv="true"
• 2506[16:43:01] <abrotman> yes, I believe so .. you can try this in a VM first if you're curious
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• 2508[16:43:18] <radishingrick> yes windows is already installed and have free allocated space
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• 2512[16:43:54] <radishingrick> abrotman, i recall ubuntu used to have this option in the installation phase but took it away
• 2513[16:44:06] <radishingrick> just wanting to see if debian still has it
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• 2517[16:48:14] <da3m0n22> jrtc27: now we're getting somewhere, replaced-url
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• 2521[16:49:12] <Delf> pressword: Yes
• 2522[16:49:33] <Delf> There's a way to get around the issues Chromium has with pulseaudio for usb audio devices
• 2523[16:49:53] <Delf> Found it mostly by accident when I was trying to get the audio to work for a game
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• 2536[16:53:53] <da3m0n22> jrtc27: signature is considered worthless, untrusted validsig, however the key is in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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• 2541[16:56:10] <pressword> Delf: It is definitly good to share it! Why not just create an account that is not directly related to your personal info? Keeping your very personal, development and job/business stuff separated?
• 2542[16:56:13] <Btbfa> Hello. Could someone tell me how to launch a script on a remote server after logging via ssh ?
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• 2544[16:56:53] <pressword> Btbfa: automatically? always when you connect to it? only when you connect with your workstation? uploading some stuff and then running the script before/after?
• 2545[16:56:57] <jrtc27> da3m0n22: replaced-url
• 2546[16:57:04] <jrtc27> digest algo 2 means SHA1, which is no longer truste
• 2547[16:57:07] <jrtc27> *trusted
• 2548[16:57:45] <petn-randall> Btbfa: Just how you would launch a script on a local machine. At what step are you stuck?
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• 2550[16:58:00] <da3m0n22> oh, fuck yeah, i've told them this like year ago, when I noticed, and they didn't bother to fix that
• 2551[16:59:01] <pressword> when he wants to launch a script when he starts a shell - so like profile.d/bashrc and similar?
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• 2556[16:59:37] <da3m0n22> jrtc27: thank you very much, i can work it out from here :)
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• 2558[16:59:44] <jrtc27> yw :)
• 2559[16:59:49] <Btbfa> pressword, petn-randall: not at startup, I am trying to create a one liner command that logs in and launch the script
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• 2563[17:01:28] <petn-randall> Btbfa: Ah, check the syntax in the man page then. It's essentially 'ssh user@host /your/command'
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• 2565[17:02:04] <Btbfa> petn-randall: ok I'll try this on thank you.
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• 2572[17:04:35] <pressword> and also, you for a more automation/scm approach you may want to take a look into tools like ansible which can do this, too (including raw ssh commands), plus some extra features
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• 2579[17:06:26] <dionysus69> hey I am planning to install windows and it will rewrite grub
• 2580[17:06:35] <dionysus69> whats the easiest way to rewrite grub
• 2581[17:06:39] <dionysus69> I am on uefi system
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• 2584[17:07:09] <grawity> then it won't rewrite grub
• 2585[17:07:09] <ScriptAce> I'm back
• 2586[17:07:27] <dionysus69> grawity: I think it will though :\ it always has in the past
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• 2592[17:10:27] <saysp_> <dionysus69> whats the easiest way to rewrite grub
• 2593[17:10:28] <saysp_> honestly
• 2594[17:10:43] <dionysus69> ?
• 2595[17:10:52] <saysp_> just boot up a live cd of debian or ubuntu and mount the linux system
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• 2597[17:10:59] <saysp_> then run grub-install
• 2598[17:11:05] <greycat> !reinstall grub
• 2599[17:11:06] <dpkg> See replaced-url
• 2600[17:11:51] <dionysus69> ugh I wanted to avoid live cd
• 2601[17:12:08] <greycat> Should be able to do it from the Debian installer too.
• 2602[17:12:34] <jelly> dionysus69: IME installing windows (10) does not wipe foreign UEFI entries, but it does change the default
• 2603[17:12:35] <dionysus69> making live cd is time confuming :s but I guess I ll do it anyway
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• 2605[17:12:48] <dionysus69> oh really
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• 2607[17:13:00] <dionysus69> I ll try then because I am installing win 10 enterprise
• 2608[17:13:27] <dionysus69> but then if its overwritten, ill just make live cd
• 2609[17:13:30] <jelly> making live usb is not that hard
• 2610[17:13:49] <dionysus69> download, copy to formated drive
• 2611[17:13:52] <dionysus69> just takes time
• 2612[17:14:38] <jelly> not copy to formated anything, copy _over_ (formated or unformated, doesn't matter) whole usb stick
• 2613[17:14:39] <dionysus69> it was real hell before efi bootloaders, you had to use special "wizardry" programs for writing bootloader to mbr
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• 2615[17:14:56] <jelly> that's grub-install.
• 2616[17:14:57] <dionysus69> you mean dd?
• 2617[17:15:08] <jelly> cp, dd, win32diskimager
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• 2619[17:15:20] <dionysus69> I only have used dd
• 2620[17:15:28] <dionysus69> cp is same as copy lol isnt it?
• 2621[17:15:33] <greycat> so is dd
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• 2623[17:16:03] <greycat> dd has *options* to mangle the data it's copying, but by default it just copies
• 2624[17:16:05] <dionysus69> dd is copying 0s too right? its like a lower level copy?
• 2625[17:16:15] <jelly> as does cp
• 2626[17:16:22] <greycat> You get the 1s and the 0s.
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• 2628[17:16:26] <babilen> dionysus69: There is no difference in the quality of the copy between dd and cp
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• 2630[17:16:54] <dionysus69> hmm haha good to know
• 2631[17:17:08] <dionysus69> unix world is confusing
• 2632[17:17:17] <dionysus69> in my world there would be one copy tool :(
• 2633[17:17:22] <babilen> There really is no need for dd if you want to copy a complete file/disk/..
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• 2635[17:17:57] <dionysus69> I used to dd iso to /dev/sdaX
• 2636[17:18:36] <OS-23606> tet
• 2637[17:18:39] <jelly> I vaguely (falsely?) remember very very old cp would not write onto the special device, but nuke the directory entry and copy the file
• 2638[17:18:43] <greycat> If you're writing an image to a USB device it should be /dev/sdX not /dev/sdaX
• 2639[17:18:59] <jelly> possibly not on Linux
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• 2642[17:20:05] <OS-23606> Hi guys.. Is there a way to embed a reverse shell into HTML? If so, is there a format for the payload I need to choose when using MSFvenom?
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• 2645[17:20:39] <jelly> OS-23606: wrong channel?
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• 2649[17:20:49] <greycat> wrong network, most likely
• 2650[17:20:58] <jelly> this is #debian, not #ethical_hacking_for_dummies
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• 2652[17:21:02] <Delf> pressword: I don't have any such.
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• 2659[17:22:04] * jelly wonders where these OffSec students come from
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• 2661[17:22:42] <abrotman> and who thinks this is a good place to ask?
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• 2666[17:23:23] <RickBR> Hello everyone
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• 2669[17:23:28] <RickBR> it works perfectly, but now I need to do a USB flashdrive, does anyone know how to do it?,
• 2670[17:23:37] <RickBR> Create a Debian netboot installation CD with preseed, and it works perfectly, but now I need to do a USB flashdrive, does anyone know how to do it?
• 2671[17:23:50] <jelly> OS-23606: can you tell us how are you connecting to this irc network (irc.freenode.net) and channel (#debian)?
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• 2673[17:24:11] <jelly> OS-23606: are you using a weg page interface maybe, and if so can you tell us the URL?
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• 2675[17:24:25] <jelly> weg!
• 2676[17:24:33] <abrotman> maybe we sohuld just ask Cox? :)
• 2677[17:25:04] <jelly> <-- OS-26377 (~OS-26377@replaced-ip) has left #debian ("Leaving") # not all cox
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• 2681[17:25:32] <RickBR> I create a Debian netboot installation CD with preseed, and it works perfectly, but now I need to do a USB flashdrive, does anyone know how?
• 2682[17:26:01] <Delf> All one needs to do for the chromium pulseaudio bug is to add "default-fragments = 2" and "default-fragment-size-msec = 3" to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
• 2683[17:26:14] <jelly> RickBR: if you used the same options as debian does, your image is already usb-hdd bootable
• 2684[17:26:51] <jelly> RickBR: just overwrite the whole usb stick (/dev/sdf for example, NOT /dev/sdf1)
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• 2686[17:27:42] <RickBR> jelly: I tried this but it did not work
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• 2702[17:34:17] <winsen> Hi all
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• 2707[17:36:01] <jhutchins_wk> RickBR: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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• 2725[17:44:05] <winsen> does anyone know how can I know if I am runing icedove underr firefox or Thunderbird?
• 2726[17:44:26] <greycat> you.... don't know what you did?
• 2727[17:44:44] <winsen> greycat: I don't remember
• 2728[17:44:51] <vjacob> "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: licensecheck"
• 2729[17:44:54] <vjacob> fun.
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• 2731[17:45:10] <jelly> winsen: icedove and thunderbird are (roughly) mail clients, and firefox is a web browser
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• 2733[17:45:25] <winsen> jelly: I know that
• 2734[17:45:28] <saysp_> im glad im not the only one that got confused about that question
• 2735[17:45:34] <jelly> winsen: what do you not know?
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• 2737[17:46:01] <l0llip0p> winsen: they use same library but otherwise they should be runing on each other?
• 2738[17:46:09] <saysp_> side question, completely irrelevant to debian: does anyone else think javascript development has become a real shit show
• 2739[17:46:18] <saysp_> i cant wait until this js fad blows over.
• 2740[17:46:30] <winsen> jelly: what I'd like to know is wat I am runing icedove or Thb. bevcause I can't make shortcut on desktop
• 2741[17:46:33] <saysp_> but i cant tell if im just turning into an out of date old fogey
• 2742[17:46:35] <jelly> saysp_: too incendiary, try ##chat
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• 2744[17:46:49] <jelly> keep this channel for tech support
• 2745[17:46:53] <saysp_> ah ok
• 2746[17:47:09] <jelly> (or #debian-offtopic if ##chat is too much for you, the old guy)
• 2747[17:47:09] <jhutchins_wk> winsen: dpkg -l icedove; dpkg -l thunderbird
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• 2749[17:47:28] <saysp_> im a chick
• 2750[17:47:30] <jhutchins_wk> winsen: which icedove, which thunderbird.
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• 2752[17:47:38] <jelly> old chick then.
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• 2756[17:48:44] <winsen> l0llip0p: are there any way to know if I am runing Thb or icedove? I tried many time to find the icone and make shortcut unfortunately It doesn't work.
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• 2758[17:49:32] <l0llip0p> winsen: well u can look from the menu version of the program
• 2759[17:49:34] <saysp_> ps | grep icedove
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• 2763[17:50:13] <jhutchins_wk> winsen: Or any of the commands I suggested.
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• 2765[17:50:27] <winsen> jhutchins_wk: replaced-url
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• 2770[17:52:26] <l0llip0p> winsen: dpkg says that you haven't installed thunderbird or icedove on your system
• 2771[17:53:00] <winsen> jhutchins_wk: it shows nothing even though I know that I have one. funny
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• 2775[17:54:16] <winsen> l0llip0p:so I think better I can do to reeinstall Thb.
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• 2777[17:54:36] <greycat> If you're in a GUI program, see if it has a "Help" menu under which it may have some way to identify what GUI program it is.
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• 2780[17:55:10] <winsen> l0llip0p:wht is the easy methode to install thb?
• 2781[17:55:23] <greycat> ,v thunderbird
• 2782[17:55:24] <judd> No package named 'thunderbird' was found in amd64.
• 2783[17:55:36] <greycat> *shrug* upstream, or maybe the package name is weird
• 2784[17:56:09] <winsen> greycat: sorry?
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• 2787[17:56:37] <l0llip0p> winsen: there is no thunderbird in debian repositories due to licesen propblem. But you can install Icedove(old version of thunderbird) by this command: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install icedove -y
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• 2790[17:56:56] <greycat> I would not use -y
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• 2794[17:57:56] <Logg> Anyone know why virtualbox isn't in Stretch repositories?
• 2795[17:58:34] <winsen> l0llip0p:I already installed thunderbird few yeard ago and it worked perfectly. Ok I'll try. thanks all
• 2796[17:59:06] <l0llip0p> greycat: Well I trust his computer to be bug free :D
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• 2806[18:01:42] <jelly> l0llip0p: the licensing problems have been solved
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• 2811[18:03:41] <jelly> judd: bug 816679
• 2812[18:03:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2813[18:03:45] <l0llip0p> jelly: yeah they are but still in jessie program is named icedove. I use the program. Don't know why its still the old name
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• 2827[18:10:23] <n4dir> Logg: i don't know, but this might be: replaced-url
• 2828[18:10:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2842[18:17:21] <reactormonk> I'm running 8.6 (jessie), do I need to enable backports for the letsencrypt package? I'm not really sure why I would need to enable backports for a newer distribution.
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• 2846[18:18:40] <babilen> judd: v letsencrypt
• 2847[18:18:41] <judd> Package: letsencrypt on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.9.3-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.9.3-1; stretch: 0.9.3-1
• 2848[18:18:52] <babilen> reactormonk: ^^^ because the package is not in jessie
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• 2850[18:19:22] <reactormonk> So it's something like a frontport?
• 2851[18:19:37] <babilen> What is a "frontport" ?
• 2852[18:19:57] <reactormonk> I'd expect a backport be something from a newer debian into an older debian. This is the other way round.
• 2853[18:20:05] <babilen> No, it's not
• 2854[18:20:15] <jhutchins_wk> ,v icedove
• 2855[18:20:16] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.4.0-1; wheezy-security: 1:45.5.1-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.5.1-1~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.5.1-1
• 2856[18:20:17] <babilen> It has been backported from stretch (current testing, unreleased) to jessie
• 2857[18:20:48] <babilen> reactormonk: ^
• 2858[18:20:53] <reactormonk> What's sid?
• 2859[18:21:07] <reactormonk> looking at replaced-url
• 2860[18:21:12] <reactormonk> ... and replaced-url
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• 2862[18:21:34] <babilen> reactormonk: sid is "unstable" and the suite into which new packages are uploaded. They will migrate from there to testing (currenty 'stretch') under certain conditions
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• 2864[18:21:56] <babilen> reactormonk: replaced-url
• 2865[18:22:16] <babilen> Packages are backported from testing to stable
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• 2868[18:22:36] <jim> reactormonk, named after the toy story char that swapped doll parts
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• 2872[18:23:40] <stoned> jim: hello
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• 2874[18:23:50] <jim> hi stoned
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• 2877[18:24:36] <bobolo> hi, i want to redirect all traffic from eth0 to my squid proxy via iptables. eth0 --> iptables -->proxy. Any Hints? merry xmas :D
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• 2886[18:29:10] <jelly> bobolo: hint: google for squid transparent proxy iptables
• 2887[18:30:09] <jhutchins_wk> Wouldn't you just make the squid proxy the default gateway?
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• 2891[18:30:59] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: squid does not do that on its own
• 2892[18:31:03] <bobolo> gotcha i m reading it ... i think u get the point tnx dude
• 2893[18:31:17] <jelly> it's just a userspace http proxy service
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• 2896[18:31:59] <bobolo> i think i redirect the proxy in a loop ... so i m reading the wiki abouot trasparent proxy tnx
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• 2899[18:33:03] <KaffeeJunky123> What's easier to manage, grsecurity or SELinux?
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• 2914[18:36:32] <petn-randall> KaffeeJunky123: Those toolsets have different scopes. Depends on what you ultimately want to achieve.
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• 2921[18:39:18] <KaffeeJunky123> petn-randall: I was under the impression they do similar things in the area of application policies
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• 2939[18:55:34] <jelly> KaffeeJunky123: grsec does have a RBAC module, but it also has many other completely different features
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• 2952[19:00:09] <l0llip0p> winsen: You have installed thunderbird not from repositories?
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• 2963[19:02:16] <l0llip0p> winsen: you shouldn't do that. It only breaks your system :(
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• 2972[19:06:11] <winsen> l0llip0p: do you mean because it's not stable? or not reliable?
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• 2980[19:08:05] <jhutchins_wk> winsen: Mostly because the apt/dpkg system can't keep it up to date. Mozilla's installers are notoriously messy and inconsistent too.
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• 2986[19:11:29] <winsen> l0llip0p: how can I know if i installed Thunderbird from repositories or not?
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• 2992[19:13:42] <chinonfa_nonfall> buonasera
• 2993[19:15:43] <l0llip0p> winsen: by doing the dpkg -l |grep pkg-name-you-want-to-know
• 2994[19:16:01] <babilen> winsen: You run "dpkg -l thunderbird" or "apt-cache policy thunderbird" -- But haven't we been through this already?
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• 2997[19:16:19] <jhutchins_wk> babilen: More than once.
• 2998[19:16:58] <l0llip0p> winsen: also maybe if would learn to use synaptic (graphical userinterface for apt) would be good for you and your system :)
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• 3001[19:18:14] <dionysus69> I think there is a kernel problem. systems chokes itself to death if i assign it heavy disk IO operations
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• 3003[19:18:50] <dionysus69> it shouldn't "hang" rather it should maybe write and read slower, instead of making system unresponsive
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• 3006[19:19:25] <jelly> dionysus69: which debian release? which kernel? what kind of IO? what kind of storage backend hardware?
• 3007[19:19:32] <rawf> I've got a problem with a secondary interface in /etc/network/interfaces overwriting the file /etc/resolve.conf. Is there some way I can stop this?
• 3008[19:19:42] <jelly> dionysus69: and last but not the least, which io scheduler is active?
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• 3010[19:20:17] <bobolo> jelly i got it i solved my proxy'issues getting a faq ( tnx dude )
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• 3012[19:20:31] <jelly> dionysus69: grep . /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler
• 3013[19:20:33] <dionysus69> jelly: debian stretch kernel 4.8, I know #debian-next, I remember same happening to stable so its not unique stretch , I have ssd
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• 3015[19:21:04] <dionysus69> I dont know whats io scheduler , i guess its default but i ll check
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• 3019[19:21:45] <dionysus69> "/sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler:noop deadline [cfq]"
• 3020[19:21:45] <chinonfa_nonfall> did you check systemd ;)
• 3021[19:21:52] <jelly> !slap chinonfa_nonfall
• 3022[19:21:52] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across chinonfa_nonfall's face
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• 3027[19:22:20] <dionysus69> whats up with systemd? was that directed to me?
• 3028[19:22:35] <jelly> dionysus69: okay and what kind of io do you apply?
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• 3030[19:22:38] <chinonfa_nonfall> check it
• 3031[19:22:42] <chinonfa_nonfall> bye bye
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• 3033[19:23:05] <dionysus69> jelly: I was copying large file from one partition to another + same large files from one partition to usb 3.0
• 3034[19:23:19] <dionysus69> system monitor was reading 50mB/s read and write
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• 3036[19:23:26] <dionysus69> at that time mouse was even barely moving
• 3037[19:23:35] <dionysus69> audio was screeky
• 3038[19:23:44] <dionysus69> nearly froze
• 3039[19:23:44] <jelly> dionysus69: does the same thing happen without usb?
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• 3041[19:24:03] <dionysus69> probably not, I would blame usb
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• 3043[19:24:14] <dionysus69> but isn't that a kernel problem too ? :D
• 3044[19:24:24] <jelly> your output only shows one block device, where's the usb one
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• 3048[19:25:07] <dionysus69> I didnt know system monitor showed only ssd writes, I thought it was adding up usb too
• 3049[19:26:16] <jelly> I mean the output of that grep
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• 3055[19:27:09] <jelly> in any case, if you can reproduce the behaviour reliably, try switching the io scheduler to deadline for a test
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• 3059[19:27:52] <dionysus69> it was same line
• 3060[19:27:55] <dionysus69> sdb instead of sta
• 3061[19:27:58] <jelly> echo deadline | [sudo, unless already running as root] tee -a /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler
• 3062[19:28:00] <dionysus69> sda*
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• 3068[19:29:34] <dionysus69> that command just output deadline
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• 3070[19:30:13] <greycat> good
• 3071[19:30:27] <n4dir> tee will output to standard output, but also to the file.
• 3072[19:31:03] <jelly> dionysus69: yes, that is fine. You can confirm the value in /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler was changed.
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• 3078[19:33:30] <winsen> <l0llip0p> winsen: by doing the dpkg -l |grep pkg-name-you-want-to-know, so if no error that means it was installed from repositories right?
• 3079[19:34:06] <greycat> ... how... how can people not understand the simplest commands...
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• 3081[19:34:52] <jelly> they don't understanding the building blocks
• 3082[19:34:53] <greycat> Try some learning experiments, like "dpkg -l | grep bash" and "dpkg -l | grep xzq" and compare.
• 3083[19:35:02] <winsen> babilen: I think you're confused with someone else. no we didn't.
• 3084[19:35:05] <jelly> I suspect Legos were scarce
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• 3090[19:38:11] <winsen> l0llip0p:tell me?
• 3091[19:38:11] <winsen> have to go. I'll be back. anyway thanks
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• 3149[20:04:13] <techno2900> Hello, I have a lenovo 510S and I would like to know if it's possible to install debian (or any linux distribution) on it. I'm not sure. Can you help me please ? Thank you in advance :)
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• 3155[20:06:53] <abrotman> techno2900: I would imagine so .. what have you tried, what didn't work?
• 3156[20:06:59] <abrotman> the 510S is a year old or so?
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• 3159[20:07:53] <abrotman> two years old?
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• 3161[20:08:02] <techno2900> abrotman : I don't try it because I'm scare I have a problem with my computer after.
• 3162[20:08:08] <techno2900> I don't know
• 3163[20:08:12] <abrotman> are you going to dual boot?
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• 3165[20:08:23] <abrotman> I mean, I have a 460p, I installed Stretch, all is fine
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• 3167[20:08:56] <jelly> abrotman: except battery life?
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• 3170[20:09:51] <techno2900> abrotman : will see because, I'm not really sure if my computer is compatible with linux
• 3171[20:10:07] <abrotman> jelly: I haven't noticed, but I can usually go a few days without charging
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• 3174[20:10:31] <abrotman> techno2900: Won't know til you try, right?
• 3175[20:10:46] <techno2900> yes
• 3176[20:10:57] <abrotman> jelly: I should note, I typically run with the screen brightness very low
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• 3183[20:12:39] <techno2900> abrotman : I don't know what I should make
• 3184[20:12:44] <techno2900> seriously
• 3185[20:13:14] <sim590> I am trying to install debian using a particular scheme (LVM on LUKS). I have three partitions: sda1 (efi partition), sda2 (LVM partition for /boot), sda3 (encrypted LVM partition for /). I'm now faced to the GRUB installation step and I fail to find what input to give to the form. It's asking "where" to install GRUB. In my comprehension, it should be on the /boot LVM partition. So I provide
• 3186[20:13:16] <sim590> /dev/MyVolume/boot as argument, but it fails.
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• 3188[20:13:53] <techno2900> I have to go, thank you for your help. I will see what I will make.
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• 3191[20:14:22] <dvs> sim590, It think it should be /dev/sda2
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• 3201[20:16:47] <sim590> dvs: In the choices I have "enter device manually", "/dev/sda", "/dev/sdb". I can't just provide /dev/sda, since it doesn't make sense. My boot partition is not there. Now if I go into manual device and provide /dev/sda2, will grub understand it's lvm ?
• 3202[20:17:01] <sim590> it still fails.
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• 3204[20:17:27] <sim590> it's trying to execute the command grub-install /dev/sda2.
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• 3209[20:18:27] <dvs> sim590, Why doesn't /dev/sda make sense?
• 3210[20:18:30] <sim590> On archlinux, I would simply do: `grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader-id=grub --recheck` assuming I'm chrooted into my system.
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• 3213[20:19:20] <sim590> I'm trying to rely on what I know fom arch and normally, I would provide the directory to use, not simply a device.
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• 3216[20:19:44] <teraflops> sim590: then ignore the grub step, boot in rescue mode and install it by hand
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• 3218[20:20:11] <grawity> I sure hope you're not trying to put /boot/efi on LVM though
• 3219[20:20:14] <teraflops> also you pass arguments there that are useless
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• 3221[20:20:25] <likcoras_> Hello, I'm trying to pull in a single package from testing (I'm running stable), so I added testing to sources.list, but I'm not sure what I need to do to avoid having apt try to upgrade to testing.
• 3222[20:20:26] <sim590> teraflops: just to be sure: what's the rescue mode? Where am I going to be able to tell I want to boot in rescue mode?
• 3223[20:20:43] <teraflops> sim590: use the installer iso
• 3224[20:20:48] <likcoras_> So I want to get testing to behave pretty much like backports, how would I do that?
• 3225[20:20:56] <sim590> grawity: no. /boot/efi is on /dev/sda1 parititon.
• 3226[20:20:58] <teraflops> it has a rescue mode in the menu
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• 3228[20:21:35] <grawity> likcoras_: I'd say apt-pinning, but I don't think you'll have much luck with this for long
• 3229[20:21:46] <sim590> teraflops: the "execute a shell" during installation? It launches a simple "sh". Is that what you mean?
• 3230[20:21:58] <likcoras_> grawity: how come?
• 3231[20:22:39] <teraflops> sim590: nope. while booing the installer.
• 3232[20:22:44] <teraflops> booting
• 3233[20:22:54] <likcoras_> Also, looking over apt_preferences(5), I would set the pin to priority 100?
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• 3236[20:23:46] <sim590> teraflops: Okay. But during the installation step, I have all my devices mounted under /target with boot mounted on /target/boot. May be I can do it there? I'm presently chrooted.
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• 3238[20:24:28] <teraflops> sim590: no idea
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• 3254[20:32:30] <teraflops> sim590: btw if you are used to arch installation method, give a try to deboostrap next time
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• 3275[20:40:48] <sim590> Oh yeah. I would have liked that. Anyway. ;)
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• 3289[20:45:56] <sim590> when trying to execute grub-install in the shell, I get: grub install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesnt exist. Please specify --target or --directory. Which I did. I did use --target=x86_64-efi
• 3290[20:46:00] <sim590> :/
• 3291[20:46:50] <greycat> I would have thought target would be something like /dev/sda
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• 3296[20:47:19] <greycat> Hmm, OK, guess I was wrong.
• 3297[20:47:24] <sim590> help says: --target : install grub for target platform.
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• 3300[20:48:22] <dvs> is grub-efi installed?
• 3301[20:48:51] <sim590> dvs: I'm in the debian installation USB ISO shell.
• 3302[20:48:58] <sim590> I selected "start a shell"
• 3303[20:49:20] <sim590> I don't have access to apt.
• 3304[20:49:31] <greycat> So first thing you want to do is mount your partition(s).
• 3305[20:49:35] <dvs> sim590, there is an option called "Recover grub install" from the rescue menu.
• 3306[20:49:39] <sim590> greycat: done.
• 3307[20:49:45] <sim590> greycat: I'm chrooted now.
• 3308[20:50:01] <greycat> If you're chrooted into the Debian installation then yes, you do have access to apt, though you may not have functional networking.
• 3309[20:50:15] <sim590> greycat: oh yes !
• 3310[20:50:32] <sim590> I'm installing grub-efi right now :D
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• 3313[20:52:17] <pressword> hi
• 3314[20:52:20] <pressword> what is 'file_env'?
• 3315[20:52:54] <greycat> Sounds like a string you'd see in a configuration file or an exotic programming language.
• 3316[20:52:58] <greycat> Where did you see it?
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• 3320[20:54:35] <manwithbugs> hi
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• 3322[20:55:09] <manwithbugs> when i am on the log screen and after typin my passowrd i enter ok and then i can show my password. can i disable it?
• 3323[20:56:33] <abrotman> what login screen?
• 3324[20:56:51] <manwithbugs> where you type password
• 3325[20:56:59] <manwithbugs> lock screen i mean to say
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• 3327[20:57:45] <pressword> greycat: I saw it in a Dockerfile
• 3328[20:57:53] <pressword> greycat: I thought it may be a normal system command used there
• 3329[20:58:00] <pressword> but thinking about it, it may be a feature I don't know yet :(
• 3330[20:58:24] <greycat> pressword: no, it's not a command. Sounds like something you should ask the Docker folks about.
• 3331[20:58:29] <boubou> anyone know a good sock5 proxy ?
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• 3333[20:58:35] <greycat> boubou: ssh -D
• 3334[20:59:26] <manwithbugs> greycat: I don't think that's what he meant.
• 3335[20:59:49] <pressword> there are lots of curated list of socks5 proxies :)
• 3336[20:59:56] <pressword> you can even use them quickly with foxyproxy
• 3337[21:00:11] <greycat> You mean "a public proxy that someone else made for me and will let me use"?
• 3338[21:00:14] <manwithbugs> does anyone face the same problem?
• 3339[21:00:15] <greycat> I have no idea.
• 3340[21:00:25] <sim590> I have to enable crypto in grub, so I do GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="cryptdevice=/dev/sda2" in /etc/default/grub. I think I also have to setup mkinitcpio, but there are no /etc/mkinitcpio.conf in my installation. On arch, I would already have that present. I think this is because I have to setup initramfs.conf instead? I want to enable the HOOK="... encrypt lvm2 ...". Is there such thing?
• 3341[21:00:29] <manwithbugs> greycat: what you said is what he meant
• 3342[21:00:36] <boubou> does it uses auth greycat ?
• 3343[21:00:58] <sim590> however I use cryptdevice=UUID= instead for consistent naming.
• 3344[21:01:10] <greycat> boubou: ssh -D lets you tunnel your web activity (but not DNS lookups) through ssh to an outside machine that presumably is not constrained by the same firewall that your desktop machine is constrained by.
• 3345[21:01:19] <greycat> You just need a host on the "outside".
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• 3347[21:02:37] <greycat> !ask
• 3348[21:02:37] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 3349[21:02:49] <sim590> what's the equivalent of this: replaced-url
• 3350[21:02:52] <greycat> Don't pick a random person and /msg them with a question. Jeez.
• 3351[21:02:59] <manwithbugs> sorry
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• 3357[21:04:11] <teraflops> sim590: debian has an option on the installer, if youre doing custom stuff maybe you prefer deboostrap
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• 3360[21:04:38] <manwithbugs> ok
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• 3364[21:05:21] <manwithbugs> can i make feature 'show password' only available before user submit the password and not after it? On lock screen you can right click and click show password
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• 3366[21:05:40] <greycat> *what* lock screen? what desktop environment/screen saver are you using?
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• 3368[21:05:50] <manwithbugs> wait let me check
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• 3370[21:06:05] <boubou> greycat the syntax should be linke ssh -D ip...:port ?
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• 3372[21:06:36] <greycat> I use: ssh -p port -N -D otherport username@hostname and then in the browser, the proxy is localhost:otherport
• 3373[21:06:36] <boubou> [-D [bind_address:]port]
• 3374[21:07:11] <boubou> its not exactly what I want...
• 3375[21:07:16] <boubou> do u know mocks ?
• 3376[21:07:16] <greycat> (I use 9999 for otherport, but it's completely arbitrary as long as it's over 1023 and not in use)
• 3377[21:07:33] <manwithbugs> greycat: I am with gnome
• 3378[21:07:40] <boubou> I would like something like mocks but more secure
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• 3383[21:07:52] <sim590> teraflops: In clear, can I do /boot (clear) / (encrypted) using LVM on LUKS scheme an successfuly install grub using the installation menu or I strickly need to use debootstrap?
• 3384[21:07:54] <greycat> dpkg: mocks?
• 3385[21:07:55] <dpkg> greycat: have you tried replaced-url
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• 3388[21:08:19] <boubou> replaced-url
• 3389[21:08:19] <greycat> boubou: what are you trying to accomplish?
• 3390[21:08:50] <teraflops> sim590: if the option is on the installer sure, if not youll have funny times, that's why I prefer doing deboostrap for custom stuff
• 3391[21:09:12] <manwithbugs> can i make feature 'show password' only available before user submit the password and not after it? On lock screen you can right click and click show password
• 3392[21:09:18] <boubou> I would like to connect to a socks5 proxy and... I can connect to a FTP or a host
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• 3394[21:09:20] <greycat> Yay, another web page that Debian's elinks can't open.
• 3395[21:09:31] <teraflops> sim590: I just use an archiso for doing deboostrap xD
• 3396[21:09:36] <manwithbugs> greycat: which website?
• 3397[21:09:43] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3398[21:09:49] <manwithbugs> i dont have elink :P
• 3399[21:09:54] <greycat> Although it looks like it actually opened the page AS WELL AS popping up the SSL error window.
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• 3401[21:10:13] <roby63> ciao a tutti
• 3402[21:10:15] <manwithbugs> whats point opening it on elinks? it's 21 centruy
• 3403[21:10:18] <roby63> !list
• 3404[21:10:18] <dpkg> roby63: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
• 3405[21:10:19] <manwithbugs> century*
• 3406[21:10:26] <greycat> "MOCKS is a small, easy configurable, RFC1928 compliant SOCKS 5 server for Linux and Linux-like systems. MOCKS supports upstream proxy and IP-based client filtering rules."
• 3407[21:10:27] <sim590> teraflops: Alright. I'll try that again tomorrow.
• 3408[21:10:33] <greycat> So... are you trying to set up a SOCKS proxy for *other people* to use?
• 3409[21:10:43] <jhutchins_wk> !it
• 3410[21:10:43] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
• 3411[21:10:45] <boubou> yes
• 3412[21:10:51] <boubou> something like
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• 3415[21:10:58] <greycat> Why couldn't you just say that?
• 3416[21:11:15] <boubou> I didnt know how to say that
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• 3421[21:11:17] <boubou> sorry
• 3422[21:11:17] <l0llip0p> greycat: lynx?
• 3423[21:11:18] <manwithbugs> he don't know how to talk
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• 3426[21:11:26] <boubou> i speak fr
• 3427[21:11:27] <boubou> :S
• 3428[21:11:28] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Aw, come on, where's the fun in that? It wouldn't be #debian!
• 3429[21:11:31] <manwithbugs> !fr
• 3430[21:11:32] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
• 3431[21:11:47] <greycat> l0llip0p: that's what I used to use, but wheezy's lynx stopped working, so I was told to try elinks, and that works on some pages that lynx broke on, but now it's worse again, even after upgrading the box to jessie.
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• 3433[21:11:55] <manwithbugs> can i make feature 'show password' only available before user submit the password and not after it? On lock screen you can right click and click show password. I am using gnome :))
• 3434[21:12:13] <greycat> SSL is a fucking pyramid scheme or something. It's gotta be. How can shit be this broken this long this consistently....
• 3435[21:12:14] <boubou> greycat do u have an idea ?
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• 3437[21:12:25] <greycat> boubou: No, I've never set up a SOCKS proxy for other people to use. I have no fucking idea.
• 3438[21:12:31] <greycat> If I did I would SAY SOMETHING.
• 3439[21:12:32] <boubou> ok
• 3440[21:12:41] <manwithbugs> greycat: me?
• 3441[21:12:48] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3442[21:12:50] <manwithbugs> now me
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• 3444[21:13:28] <manwithbugs> no?
• 3445[21:13:39] <greycat> See, nobody who KNOWS THINGS uses GNOME. Or KDE. Or any other crap desktop environments.
• 3446[21:14:07] <greycat> So we don't know the answers to any of these questions, and the best we can hope for is to pull teeth until you provide enough details that someone can direct you to a place where people might know something about it.
• 3447[21:14:09] <jhutchins_wk> manwithbugs: Yes, I'm pretty sure you can. You might have to learn to program in c++.
• 3448[21:14:10] <manwithbugs> why are yo mad? I am just asking a question ..
• 3449[21:14:30] <manwithbugs> jhutchins_wk: i can not 100%
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• 3451[21:14:58] <manwithbugs> does it mean i *have* to modify the code?
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• 3453[21:15:14] <sim590> teraflops: Is there any debootstrap installation guide? I mean, after the simple step of installing a new system: configuring encrypted mounting partitions and LVm using grub and initramfs/mkinitcpio ?
• 3454[21:15:18] <jhutchins_wk> manwithbugs: The problem is that gnome isn't all that configurable. There might be a gdmrc somewhere (locate gdmrc) that you might be able to configure that with.
• 3455[21:15:35] <manwithbugs> jhutchins_wk: so i dont have to know c++
• 3456[21:15:41] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: oh, you're talking gdm now? Did he change from "log screen" to "lock screen" back to "login screen"?
• 3457[21:15:41] <jhutchins_wk> manwithbugs: I would start by tracking down the project website for gdm.
• 3458[21:15:53] <manwithbugs> will google..
• 3459[21:15:54] <Plushwolf> Hey landaal
• 3460[21:15:56] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Ah, no.
• 3461[21:16:21] <manwithbugs> greycat: it's lock screen (windows key+l)
• 3462[21:16:26] <jhutchins_wk> manwithbugs: Sorry, I was thinking initial login which is gdm. I'm not sure what handles screen locking in gnome (I don't use it).
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• 3464[21:16:33] <manwithbugs> :((
• 3465[21:16:37] <greycat> ^^ nobody uses it!
• 3466[21:16:41] <manwithbugs> greycat: why are you mad on me!
• 3467[21:16:48] <manwithbugs> I use it!
• 3468[21:16:55] <manwithbugs> I choose it over ubuntu & unity!
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• 3470[21:16:58] <jhutchins_wk> manwithbugs: THat's a function, not a program. Need to figure out what the program is, or if it's part of the desktop or the screensaver.
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• 3472[21:17:35] <manwithbugs> jhutchins_wk: lets say i modify the part but when there will be updates it will changed
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• 3474[21:18:23] <jhutchins_wk> manwithbugs: So you lock that package so it doesn't automatically upgrade, and you keep your development environment ready to rebuild it when necessary.
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• 3476[21:18:40] <manwithbugs> that's not easy
• 3477[21:18:55] <manwithbugs> never done that
• 3478[21:18:59] <jhutchins_wk> manwithbugs: I would expect the "show password" functionality to be buried pretty deep in the code, possibly in a library.
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• 3482[21:19:14] <roby63> ciao a tutti
• 3483[21:19:18] <roby63> !list
• 3484[21:19:18] <dpkg> roby63: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
• 3485[21:19:29] <manwithbugs> jhutchins_wk: have you done something like that?
• 3486[21:20:05] <jhutchins_wk> manwithbugs: "Something like that" yes, I've maintained a few code patches, but for very different purposes.
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• 3489[21:20:28] <jhutchins_wk> manwithbugs: These days I try to live within the defaults, it saves a lot of work.
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• 3493[21:20:46] <roby63> ciao a tutti
• 3494[21:20:58] <roby63> !list
• 3495[21:20:58] <dpkg> roby63: vedi replaced-url
• 3496[21:21:05] <greycat> Fucking kidding me
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• 3502[21:22:00] <gry> the dpkg is smart there.. giving different answers each time
• 3503[21:22:27] <greycat> It's just a randomizing feature, plus someone who chose to use it in that factoid.
• 3504[21:22:32] <greycat> dpkg: literal list
• 3505[21:22:32] <dpkg> "list" is "<reply> $nick: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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• 3512[21:24:16] <nikitasius> good evening folks
• 3513[21:25:13] <manwithbugs> evening sir
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• 3515[21:25:28] <nikitasius> does someone have a good manual about DNS records, except rc 1034/1035 and NSD sources?
• 3516[21:25:35] <l0llip0p> nikitasius: hi!
• 3517[21:25:35] <nikitasius> manwithbugs: good evening
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• 3519[21:25:57] <greycat> nikitasius: /topic #dns maybe?
• 3520[21:26:10] <greycat> guess they don't have a very large topic
• 3521[21:26:12] <nikitasius> dns channel half dead..
• 3522[21:26:20] <nikitasius> yes :(
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• 3528[21:27:01] <jhutchins_wk> nikitasius: Actually, the Microsoft dns documentation has been pretty good at times (Microsoft docs come and go).
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• 3531[21:27:09] <nikitasius> hopefully 31/dec 1/jan i'll pass far from debian. In 2013 i got hdd dead in raid on 29dec..
• 3532[21:27:25] <nikitasius> jhutchins_wk: thank you, i'll google it!
• 3533[21:27:54] <pi____> what do you suppose the person on StackOverflow means when he says (regarding Haskell development on debian): u22
• 3534[21:27:56] <jhutchins_wk> nikitasius: I've found a few articles, mostly bits and pieces here and there. Do chech replaced-url
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• 3536[21:28:00] <pi____> I keep my user-local $HOME/.cabal/bin in the front of the PATH
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• 3538[21:28:16] <manwithbugs> pi____: ???
• 3539[21:28:19] <manwithbugs> which
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• 3541[21:28:25] <pi____> he says this: "I keep my user-local $HOME/.cabal/bin in the front of the PATH"
• 3542[21:28:30] <greycat> So what's your question?
• 3543[21:28:53] <pi____> what do you suppose he means when he says that ^
• 3544[21:29:01] <greycat> He means he has that directory as the first thing in his PATH.
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• 3546[21:29:40] <pi____> greycat: any idea why he'd do that? replaced-url
• 3547[21:29:53] <greycat> So that the commands in that directory take precedence over regular commands with the same names.
• 3548[21:30:00] <greycat> Just like normal people use $HOME/bin first.
• 3549[21:30:02] <jhutchins_wk> pi____: That means that software in that path will have priority over other programs.
• 3550[21:30:47] <nikitasius> jhutchins_wk: awesome website. I'm looking for qtype specifications on single page (it's a dream, i know), but they have nice RFC list: replaced-url
• 3551[21:30:47] <greycat> The shell (and a few other programs) searches PATH in order to find commands.
• 3552[21:30:49] <pi____> he says it in the context of having two versions of cabal, I'm not sure which one he'd want first
• 3553[21:31:24] <jhutchins_wk> pi____: The one that comes first in the $PATH
• 3554[21:31:38] <greycat> Let's say cabal has a command named "cabal". And that you have ~/.cabal/bin/cabal and /usr/bin/cabal. If ~/.cabal/bin is first in PATH then when you type "cabal" you will get the one from ~/.cabal/bin instead of /usr/bin.
• 3555[21:31:39] <jhutchins_wk> pi____: So the one in that directory he specified.
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• 3561[21:32:33] <pi____> I understand that, but I don't know which one he wanted first.
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• 3565[21:32:53] <greycat> Clearly he wanted ~/.cabal/bin to be first BECAUSE HE SAID HE PUT THAT ONE FIRST.
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• 3567[21:33:14] <greycat> Christ, this is not rocket science.
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• 3569[21:33:24] <pi____> he uses one cabal to bootstrap the other, I don't know if he wants the bootstrapped version first or the other
• 3570[21:33:30] <greycat> Go ask HIM.
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• 3574[21:35:31] <pi____> ok, I kept asking because people were answering. but now I'll ask him if i can find him
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• 3578[21:36:35] <jhutchins_wk> pi____: Maybe there's a #haskel channel? If not, mailing lists.
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• 3580[21:37:07] <longwuyuan> openldap documentation is broken
• 3581[21:37:10] <pi____> it was a debian specific question (which the link showed) that's why I asked here. sorry to bother you
• 3582[21:37:12] <greycat> #haskell
• 3583[21:37:15] <teraflops> pi____: because he uses cabal stuff not from debian repos
• 3584[21:37:29] <greycat> There is nothing debian specific about setting PATH to some weird nonstandard thing.
• 3585[21:38:06] <longwuyuan> replaced-url
• 3586[21:38:07] <teraflops> well ~/.cabal/bin is not a weird nonstandar thingy
• 3587[21:38:11] <longwuyuan> any alternative ?
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• 3590[21:38:26] <greycat> It's weird and nonstandard if you've never even *heard* of a software package called cabal.
• 3591[21:38:27] <teraflops> it's just he prefer cabal stuff not from debian repos
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• 3594[21:39:33] <teraflops> well ~/.cabal/bin is not a weird nonstandar thingy if youre used to install cabal things with cabal-install
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• 3596[21:39:59] <greycat> So it's not-weird in #haskell or #cabal or whatever this thing is, but it's weird in #debian.
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• 3598[21:40:07] <teraflops> s/cabal/haskell
• 3599[21:40:25] <teraflops> not really but ok
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• 3602[21:41:07] <jhutchins_wk> Haskel is not like perl or ruby, something everybody has to dabble in.
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• 3605[21:41:34] * abrotman wonders who has to dabble in ruby ...
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• 3608[21:41:47] <teraflops> greycat: i mean many people uses cabal-install, not debian related, it's like doing pip install --user
• 3609[21:42:00] <teraflops> just saying
• 3610[21:42:24] <longwuyuan> replaced-url
• 3611[21:42:47] <nikitasius> btw, sorry for my flood, it's alcool a little bit, but is there are paranoid who uses protonmail.com?
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• 3620[21:46:16] <nikitasius> so the simple thing.. when you thinking about super-secure mails: proton mail in swiss, but they are on .COM, what controlled by verizon since 1984, US company, what gives to US "super power" to seize any domain when they want to just change NS servers and DNS after. Even TLSA and SSHFP not will help..
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• 3624[21:47:28] <nikitasius> im gonna buy a new laptop for 200 bucks with SSD just for encrypted debian. But SSD.. better than HDD in case of "impossible to restore deleted data"?
• 3625[21:47:35] <Hello71> > verizon
• 3626[21:47:38] <Hello71> rofl
• 3627[21:48:07] <nikitasius> or verysign
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• 3631[21:48:43] <nikitasius> Hello71: i've told about but of alcool in blood. thanks for ssh keys what helps now.
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• 3634[21:49:52] <jhutchins_wk> !fr
• 3635[21:49:53] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
• 3636[21:50:02] <nikitasius> Hello71: verisign, yes. SO than makes a problem
• 3637[21:50:07] <nikitasius> jhutchins_wk: salut!
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• 3642[21:51:01] <nikitasius> *that makes a problem. Verisign, people cant trust to US company and her domains.
• 3643[21:51:34] <pogs> that last sentence i understood. but where is your debian related problem?
• 3644[21:51:35] <greycat> nikitasius: please take it to #debian-offtopic
• 3645[21:51:43] <pogs> sorry
• 3646[21:51:44] <jhutchins_wk> nikitasius: Then find another company you do trust.
• 3647[21:52:06] <nikitasius> jhutchins_wk: thats impossible in case of .COM domains.
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• 3649[21:52:30] <JordiGH> "The kernel log is no longer readable by unprivileged users. To allow this, set the sysctl: kernel.dmesg_restrict=0"
• 3650[21:52:33] <JordiGH> Are we talking about dmesg here?
• 3651[21:52:38] <JordiGH> (Upgrading Linux)
• 3652[21:52:41] <nikitasius> jhutchins_wk: even when you register .com from internet.bs, its belong to verisign.
• 3653[21:52:49] <greycat> It says dmesg in the command, so... yeah? Probably?
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• 3655[21:53:02] <JordiGH> That's gonna be weird.
• 3656[21:53:04] <greycat> Try it and see?
• 3657[21:53:06] <nikitasius> greycat: yes, sorry.
• 3658[21:53:06] <JordiGH> dmesg no longer works without root?
• 3659[21:53:22] <JordiGH> greycat: Well, I'm just reading aptitude's changelog.
• 3660[21:53:32] <JordiGH> Er, the changelog that aptitude brought up.
• 3661[21:53:33] <greycat> Reboot and try it and see?
• 3662[21:53:38] <JordiGH> In a moment.
• 3663[21:54:10] <JordiGH> First gotta let dpkg finish unpacking stuff.
• 3664[21:54:18] <longwuyuan> replaced-url
• 3665[21:54:37] <jhutchins_wk> dmesg is accessible by non-privileged user in stable.
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• 3667[21:55:04] <greycat> He's apparently not using a stable kernel (or won't be, in a moment).
• 3668[21:55:06] <JordiGH> jhutchins_wk: I confused you with Ben Hutchings, who wrote that changelog message above.
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• 3670[21:55:25] <JordiGH> Yeah, backported Linux.
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• 3673[21:55:36] <greycat> ,kernels
• 3674[21:55:37] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.11-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
• 3675[21:55:43] <greycat> Ahhh, finally.
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• 3677[21:56:33] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: 4.8?
• 3678[21:56:44] <greycat> Yeah. Took forever to hit bpo.
• 3679[21:57:00] <JordiGH> Is 4.8 cool or something?
• 3680[21:57:06] <teraflops> xD
• 3681[21:57:29] <greycat> A lot of people had issues with 4.7 and 4.7 was the ONLY kernel in bpo for a very long time, because someone removed 4.6 and older. I have no idea why.
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• 3683[21:57:57] <JordiGH> I had graphical glitches for a while, but libdrm finally caught up and my glitches went away.
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• 3685[21:58:24] <JordiGH> Oh, my touchpad has been dying when coming back from suspend for a while. Let's see what new and exciting bugset I get with 4.8
• 3686[21:58:35] <dvs> 4.8 chews up too much of my laptop's battery life
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• 3688[21:58:54] <JordiGH> My laptop has about 5 minutes of battery life, so I'm not really concerned with that.
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• 3690[22:00:37] <dvs> O_O
• 3691[22:00:49] <JordiGH> It's 10 years old.
• 3692[22:01:14] <JordiGH> I should be grateful it has any battery life at all.
• 3693[22:01:28] <JordiGH> Alright, time to reboot. Let's hope I can come back to report.
• 3694[22:01:38] <gry> ok
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• 3696[22:01:52] <gry> 5 mins is just enough to plug a power cord back in if it fell out accidentally
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• 3700[22:02:02] * greycat tries to remember which Unix had the root-only dmesg...
• 3701[22:02:09] <Hello71> PaX
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• 3703[22:02:22] <greycat> I wanna say OSF1, but that might be wrong. Man, it's been decades.
• 3704[22:02:32] <Hello71> actually I think mainline Linux kernel has configurable kmsg policy
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• 3710[22:03:55] <ytrezq> Hello, how to build source .deb packages with the Intel compiler (icc instead of gcc) ?
• 3711[22:04:11] <watmm> Hey, im wondering how best to install Debian with encrypted LVM if my SSD doesn't like the seemingly required secure erase step
• 3712[22:04:25] <jhutchins_wk> I have 4.7 installed, but I've never booted it. Need to figure out the strategy to update the nvidia drivers when I do. Might as well go to 4.8.
• 3713[22:04:39] <nikitasius> kernel 4.8.. is it version what can kill itself in case of error?
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• 3720[22:05:47] <nikitasius> i read some articles what they are commited a debug code , bug_on or something like this?
• 3721[22:06:05] <babilen> watmm: It's not required -- And what do you mean by "doesn't like" ?
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• 3723[22:06:47] <nikitasius> so im on 4.5 on my laptop currently
• 3724[22:07:03] <watmm> It appears to be required during the installation anyway. I got a stack trace and it just stopped performing anything
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• 3728[22:07:49] <babilen> watmm: It's not required, you can cancel it (if you manage to cancel it before it runs into problems)
• 3729[22:07:57] <babilen> Is it nvme?
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• 3731[22:08:09] <watmm> Great, and yes
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• 3733[22:08:21] <JordiGH> Well, that seems to have taken a long time to reboot.
• 3734[22:08:28] <JordiGH> I think the first try froze.
• 3735[22:08:40] <JordiGH> $ dmesg
• 3736[22:08:40] <JordiGH> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
• 3737[22:08:51] <JordiGH> Oh, brave new world.
• 3738[22:09:03] <babilen> watmm: You probably need a newer kernel than the one in jessie
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• 3742[22:10:03] <watmm> I tried a testin installer after jessie failed
• 3743[22:10:21] <watmm> Will secure erase from the bios and cancel that step
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• 3748[22:11:32] <pi____> I added this to my $HOME/.profile but it doesn't show when I put $PATH in shell: `export PATH=$PATH:/home/pi/.cabal/bin`
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• 3750[22:11:42] <greycat> pi____: you probably login with a GUI.
• 3751[22:11:46] <pi____> can anyone explain ^
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• 3754[22:12:11] <pi____> can you elaborate greycat
• 3755[22:12:35] <greycat> Can you just confirm "yes I login with lightdm/gdm3/..."
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• 3759[22:13:13] <pi____> greycat I don't have a login screen. when I boot my pi, I just click on the terminal and here I am
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• 3761[22:13:30] <greycat> ... it's not even fucking DEBIAN?!
• 3762[22:13:41] <greycat> You're on RASPBIAN?
• 3763[22:13:45] <pi____> raspbian is debian isn't it?
• 3764[22:13:50] <greycat> *PLONK*
• 3765[22:13:55] <greycat> NO!
• 3766[22:13:58] <teraflops> pi____: no, it's not
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• 3768[22:14:06] <pi____> why so aggressive? do we all have to be experts?
• 3769[22:14:07] * greycat closes the two wiki tabs he had opened, prepared for this...
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• 3771[22:15:09] <pi____> A new version of Raspbian is available. It's based on the new stable version of Debian, which is called Jessie
• 3772[22:15:26] <pi____> so based on debian, isn't the same as Debian,
• 3773[22:15:34] <teraflops> pi____: indeed
• 3774[22:15:48] <pi____> ok, thank you
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• 3776[22:16:00] <mns> pi____: raspbian is not debian. it is debian based, but that doesn't make it the same. they modify it, hence its not debian.
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• 3778[22:16:30] <greycat> Also hence "the wiki pages that I wrote for Debian will not work for Raspbian".
• 3779[22:16:36] <babilen> pi____: They have a helpful channel at #raspbian
• 3780[22:16:36] <pi____> ok, thank you
• 3781[22:16:38] <dStruct> how can I apt-cache search for which packages provides a binary?
• 3782[22:16:52] <dStruct> I'm looking for configure, apparently I don't have it installed
• 3783[22:16:54] <greycat> dStruct: You can't unless it's already installed. Then it would be dpkg -S /file/name
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• 3785[22:17:10] <babilen> dStruct: Use apt-file
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• 3787[22:17:16] <greycat> ./configure is not a "program" that you install. It's a script that is shipped with software that uses GNU autoconf.
• 3788[22:17:34] <dStruct> greycat: yeah that's what I thought, but this git clone apparently doesn't include it
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• 3790[22:17:56] <greycat> Talk to the people who maintain this piece of software. You may have to run something else first, like ./autogen.sh
• 3791[22:18:10] <dStruct> replaced-url
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• 3796[22:18:50] <rly> greycat: Fun fact: there are some people who misunderstood this and actually wrote a program called configure.
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• 3801[22:20:17] <dStruct> greycat: can you tell what format that code is setup for to install?
• 3802[22:20:32] <greycat> I am not even going to fucking attempt to OPEN that unsolicited URL.
• 3803[22:20:35] <dStruct> looks like automake to me
• 3804[22:20:49] <greycat> Is there an autogen.sh file?
• 3805[22:20:49] <dStruct> greycat: it's github? it's not like it's mywebsite.com
• 3806[22:21:13] <greycat> Is there a README? An INSTALL? Oh wait, it's shithub. Why would a shithub project have documentation.
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• 3809[22:21:33] <dStruct> greycat: yeah and it says to ./configure and make/make install but configure doesn't exist
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• 3811[22:21:42] <greycat> 16:20 greycat> Is there an autogen.sh file?
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• 3813[22:21:46] <rly> dStruct: there is a really simple answer to this.
• 3814[22:21:47] <dStruct> greycat: there's an .ac file
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• 3816[22:22:01] <rly> dStruct: the answer is: complain to the people who created that.
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• 3819[22:22:18] <rly> dStruct: don't waste the time of people who have better things to do like greycat.
• 3820[22:22:32] <dStruct> rly: well obviously yes, they suck at distributing code, I was just hoping I could compile it real quick with some help from some more knowledgeable people
• 3821[22:23:04] <dStruct> and there is not an autogen.sh
• 3822[22:23:06] <rly> dStruct: sure, but such quick fixes are uneconomical on a large scale.
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• 3825[22:23:14] <rly> dStruct: you could also read a couple of books.
• 3826[22:23:15] <greycat> Then they need to provide instructions telling you how to build it.
• 3827[22:23:21] <l0llip0p> dStruct: there seems to be install.sh ?
• 3828[22:23:28] <dStruct> rly: I'm not a noob, thanks
• 3829[22:23:30] <rachelfish> How do I cancel a broken apt-get upgrade?
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• 3831[22:23:38] <rly> dStruct: I think you are, if you don't know this.
• 3832[22:23:47] <dStruct> l0llip0p: yes which is expecting some kind of file input
• 3833[22:24:01] <rly> dStruct: you just don't know how unimaginably highly skilled the people are you are talking to.
• 3834[22:24:10] <rachelfish> If I try to run apt-get upgrade it says that I have uninstallable packages and I should try apt-get -f install. When I run apt-get -f install it returns an error code
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• 3836[22:24:20] <rachelfish> How do I undo the installation I was trying to do?
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• 3838[22:24:40] <dStruct> rly: actually I do, which is why I came here to ask for a little assistance, I'm not asking for someone to do it for me, just point me in the right direction here because my bag of tricks is not working in this particular situation
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• 3841[22:25:49] <rly> dStruct: you are just bad at reading instructions.
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• 3844[22:26:06] <rly> dStruct: the instructions are incorrect, but you also didn't read the conditional.
• 3845[22:26:25] <dStruct> rly: well I've read all the instruction provided, even ran a autoconf which fails to meet deps
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• 3848[22:26:43] <rly> dStruct: it's also 5 years old.
• 3849[22:26:57] <rly> dStruct: so, it looks a bit unmaintained.
• 3850[22:27:16] <dStruct> rly: true, but afaik people have been using it still, it's a basic python script for a gnuradio trunking plugin
• 3851[22:27:17] <rly> dStruct: and if you don't know these basics, you aren't going to be the person to revive it.
• 3852[22:27:50] <greycat> If it uses autoconf, I don't know how "basic" it could possibly be.
• 3853[22:27:59] <rly> dStruct: you need to run ./bootstrap
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• 3856[22:28:12] <dStruct> rly: ok I'll give that a twirl, thanks for the input and help
• 3857[22:28:17] <rly> dStruct: that will generate ./configure
• 3858[22:28:27] <rly> dStruct: finally make and make check
• 3859[22:28:29] <dStruct> rly: yeah the autoconf gave me a badly broken configure
• 3860[22:28:38] <greycat> is ./bootstrap a python convention, or just unique to this shithub page?
• 3861[22:28:53] <rly> greycat: no, it's just idiots.
• 3862[22:29:04] <dStruct> it may just be that this package is like rly said too old and unmaintained, according to what I've been reading it still works but that may be subjective
• 3863[22:29:12] <rly> greycat: lots of people use ./bootstrap.sh, but you never need those.
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• 3869[22:29:26] <rly> It's just incompetence.
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• 3872[22:30:39] <rly> dStruct: there aren't many people who can write correct autoconf scripts and it's even more difficult to write one that works after 5 years.
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• 3878[22:31:30] <dStruct> rly: the newer automake crap is foreign to me, give me early FreeBSD cc/make stuff or really old mainframe stuff and I can run circles :D
• 3879[22:32:14] <rly> dStruct: I agree it's crap, but it can be made to work.
• 3880[22:32:25] <dStruct> rly: I still don't like any of it :D
• 3881[22:32:43] <rly> dStruct: the approach where feature testing is used is pretty nice engineering, though.
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• 3883[22:32:54] <rly> dStruct: it's better than using versions, imho.
• 3884[22:33:17] <rly> dStruct: there are more advanced approaches, but those don't even exist in research papers.
• 3885[22:33:34] <dStruct> rly: with added features come added complexity, I do like what it does though
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• 3887[22:33:55] <dStruct> rly: and it beats the old FreeBSD ports crap any day
• 3888[22:34:15] <rly> dStruct: ports are just a package system.
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• 3890[22:34:25] <rly> dStruct: it has little to do with being a build system.
• 3891[22:34:26] <greycat> FreeBSD ports is like apt. It's not intended to make portable code. It's intended to TAKE "portable" code (that really is not) as input and produce FreeBSD packages.
• 3892[22:34:36] <dStruct> rly: I run an old MPX-32 UNIX system that doesn't even know what a packager is, that and another system running System V R3
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• 3895[22:34:59] <rly> I think apt is also ridiculously outdated.
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• 3897[22:35:06] <dStruct> rly: hell it barely knows what a serial port is, used to use punch cards :D
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• 3899[22:35:24] <rly> dStruct: that sounds like a waste of money.
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• 3903[22:35:33] <greycat> Anything written by a Linux user on github is not likely to be portable to your old SysV systems.
• 3904[22:35:35] <rly> dStruct: there is no economic reason to run stuff like that.
• 3905[22:35:48] <dStruct> rly: it is and it isn't, it literally can't be upgraded to stay within compliance for what I do
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• 3909[22:36:30] <dStruct> well I shouldn't say can't, it would cost more to upgrade then what it costs to operate in the time frame it's going to continue running, lets put it that way
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• 3912[22:36:40] <ytrezq> Hello, how to build a .deb source package with the Intel compiler (icc instead of gcc) ?
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• 3915[22:36:59] <dStruct> greycat: thanks for the help :D
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• 3918[22:37:13] <greycat> Unicode Character 'NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE' (U+202F) ... nah, not worth it.
• 3919[22:37:19] <altker128> Quick question: On Debian Jessie: I'd like to install MATE but not automatically load desktop on start-up, how do I change that behavior?
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• 3922[22:37:25] <dStruct> greycat: oh and I'm not trying to build this on System V lol, on a modern Debian build
• 3923[22:37:41] <rly> dStruct: nuclear missiles could be a reason.
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• 3925[22:37:48] <dStruct> rly: could be..
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• 3927[22:37:56] <dStruct> rly: I really can't say now can I
• 3928[22:37:57] <rly> dStruct: but even that shouldn't run on old tech.
• 3929[22:38:06] <rly> dStruct: it just shouldn't run on consumer crap.
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• 3931[22:38:08] <greycat> altker128: remove gdm3 or whatever DM is installs
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• 3933[22:38:31] <rly> dStruct: or anything involving any dependency on highly complex manufacturing processes.
• 3934[22:38:32] <dStruct> rly: yeah this beast isn't consumer grade by any means
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• 3936[22:38:42] <rachelfish> How can I mark a package to not be installed?
• 3937[22:38:52] <greycat> rachelfish: apt-get remove
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• 3940[22:39:34] <rachelfish> greycat: What if it's already installed and I don't want to remove it, I want to not upgrade it?
• 3941[22:39:42] <greycat> !hold
• 3942[22:39:42] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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• 3944[22:39:53] <rachelfish> Cool
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• 3948[22:40:06] <awal1> altker128: what you mean by "not load desktop"? which display manager (login screen) you run?
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• 3950[22:40:11] <rachelfish> Thanks greycat
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• 3953[22:40:49] <altker128> awal1: I am about to do a fresh Debian Jessie install ; not load desktop == not to automatically startx, lightdm, etc
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• 3955[22:41:05] <greycat> just remove gdm3 or lightdm or whatever, after the install
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• 3958[22:41:28] <altker128> greycat: OK, will try that
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• 3961[22:42:09] <awal1> altker128: do a minimal debian install, without a display manager (lightdm, gdm3...) then instal mate
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• 3963[22:43:14] <awal1> without a desktop environment (gnome, kde...) ^
• 3964[22:43:18] <altker128> awal1: OK, that sounds reasonable
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• 3970[22:45:16] <awal1> btw, no DM starts automatically X if not configured for do that; nodm is another story, altker128
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• 3972[22:46:05] <altker128> awal1: I'm a bit fuzzy on details, but I recently did a Debian Jessie setup and installed MATE during the install process and it auto-loads the desktop (which WAS the desired result in that setup)
• 3973[22:46:32] <altker128> awal1: But that I mean, when booted, it has a graphical login (probably gdm or something)
• 3974[22:46:55] <awal1> it autoloads the display manager, not mate desktop environment you wanted to say :P
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• 3976[22:47:38] <awal1> mate uses lightdm I think
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• 3979[22:48:04] <altker128> awal1: Yes, sorry, you're right
• 3980[22:48:08] <altker128> awal1: In the old days it was xdm :)
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• 3983[22:50:39] <awal1> altker128: anyway, you have two choices basically: reinstall (minimal install then install mate stuff) or remove lightdm if you can (if not a dependency for mate; if you cant remove lightdm, you'll have to install another display manager and disable your both display managers (lightdm + your new one - systemctl disable lightdm/your new DM))
• 3984[22:51:08] <greycat> He already said he's doing an install from scratch.
• 3985[22:51:25] <awal1> If you only have 1 DM, something is configured in debian and it forces the load of the only DM installed
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• 3989[22:51:38] <awal1> even if disabled
• 3990[22:51:39] <greycat> Just do base system (uncheck all DEs), reboot into it, install mate, Ctrl-Alt-F2 back to a console, remove lightdm or whatever.
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• 3996[22:52:51] <awal1> ah, right, he's doing a new install from scratch; I'm distracted watching a movie :P
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• 3998[22:53:28] <altker128> awal1: New install on another computer. The machine that autoloads lightdm is working as expected
• 3999[22:53:59] <awal1> I still haven't found why debian forces the load of the only DM installed
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• 4013[22:56:55] <greycat> It's debian policy. When a daemon-type program is installed, it should run by default. The user is expected to take action to disable it if she doesn't want it to run.
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• 4015[22:57:27] <brizz> im trying to find package in debian that has command jar
• 4016[22:57:42] <brizz> openjdk-7.0/8.0 doesnt seem to have (google...says it should?)
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• 4019[22:58:20] <greycat> ,file bin/jar
• 4020[22:58:24] <judd> Search for bin/jar in jessie/amd64: gcj-4.8-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.8-amd64/bin/jar; openjdk-7-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/bin/jar; gcj-4.9-jdk: usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.9-amd64/bin/jar; openjdk-7-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/bin/jar
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• 4022[22:59:24] <awal1> if one does a base system the installs x DE and x DM, impossible to disable the DM (systemctl disable/mask abcd is ignored) if it's only the one installed. solution: install a second DM and disable them both (if a removal is not desired), greycat
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• 4025[22:59:35] <awal1> then installs ^
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• 4030[23:00:59] <jhutchins_wk> awal1: A de will pull a dm as a dependency if one doesn't already exist, but you could specify which one at install time.
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• 4032[23:01:06] <awal1> I mean : if there is only 1 DM installed, systemctl disables/masks it if asked to do that, but "something" in debian is configured for start the DM anyway
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• 4035[23:01:16] <brizz> yea wasnt in usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/bin/jar
• 4036[23:01:35] <greycat> dunno what to tell you
• 4037[23:01:37] <jhutchins_wk> awal1: You can also just change the system.unit to multi-user.target
• 4038[23:01:40] <greycat> ,file usr/bin/jar
• 4039[23:01:43] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
• 4040[23:01:52] <greycat> *shrug* Java. *spit*
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• 4042[23:02:38] <brizz> how do you search for files in the packagess?
• 4043[23:02:50] <greycat> I just did.
• 4044[23:02:55] <jhutchins_wk> brizz: apt-file is one way.
• 4045[23:02:59] <awal1> jhutchins_wk: I have played with all that yet yeah; I'm just talking in the air bcuz I still haven't found what force the load of the only DM installed even if disabled/masked via systemctl
• 4046[23:03:00] <greycat> packages.debian.org is another
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• 4048[23:03:20] <jhutchins_wk> brizz: The problem is that's both a command and an extension.
• 4049[23:03:54] <jhutchins_wk> awal1: Possibly still enabled in a legacy init file.
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• 4051[23:04:34] <jhutchins_wk> awal1: CHanging the target is more correct than masking/disabling.
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• 4055[23:05:39] <awal1> jhutchis_wk: probably
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• 4057[23:06:17] <brizz> openjdk-8-jdk-headless: /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/bin/jar
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• 4059[23:06:56] <awal1> well, if there are 2 DM installed, systemctl disable is effective, but not if there is only one. that's the question :P
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• 4061[23:07:14] <awal1> but ok; not really relevant right now :P
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• 4083[23:15:09] <buu> WHAT IS THIS DISCARDING BLOCKS THING
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• 4093[23:17:54] <bolt> buu: context.
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• 4100[23:19:48] <bolt> xrandr, when initiating a new output on a plugged in usb hdmi card, adds the screen to the side of an existing display. how can I initiate a new display instead, getting a different $DISPLAY variable and such for it?
• 4101[23:20:21] <bolt> basically trying to add a new monitor, screen, card, whatnot, runtime
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• 4105[23:23:25] <altker128> bolt: I think you need to look into xinerama? You basically want it to do be a different display rather than extended
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• 4122[23:30:49] <ytrezq> Hello, how to build a .deb source package with the Intel compiler (icc instead of gcc) ?
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• 4135[23:38:35] <awal1> bolt: play with xrandr in terminal or install arandr/lxrandr for easy/quick setup
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• 4139[23:41:15] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: If you want a different $DISPLAY you need to start a new X session. I don't think you can trigger that on hotplug.
• 4140[23:41:48] <jhutchins_wk> bolt: You'd have to dig around in the udev process I think.
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