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17 [00:09:06] <KNERD> wow.channel been dead all day
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24 [00:11:22] <n4dir> hasn't been dead when i was here
earlier.
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29 [00:12:15] <KNERD> newet message was 20 minutes ago. Before
that over 12 hours
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31 [00:12:37] <KNERD> like 14 hours
32 [00:13:03] <n4dir> then i must have dreamt it. Don't
make me go through the trouble and check if irssi has logs
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34 [00:13:38] <KNERD> i have logs via my bouncer
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37 [00:14:42] <KNERD> RIght now if it 5:14 PM my time. Here is
last message I see
38 [00:14:53] <KNERD> <Unit193> [22:11:42] And you checked
/proc/cmdline? Well, you could try net.ifnames=1 :P
39 [00:15:08] <KNERD> more like 18 hours
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41 [00:15:51] <n4dir> then something is wrong with your logs.
There was a long lasting discussion about keyboard settings ca 4
hours ago
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56 [00:27:19] <KNERD> maybe ran out. I have it set to 50k lines
of buffer
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67 [00:38:31] <mikeliss> Fun and naive question. I have git
code. Where *ideally* would it go on a server?
68 [00:39:02] <KNERD> WHile trying to compile an application, I
am getting this error -> can not be used when making a shared
object; recompile with -fPIC . What is the correct methos? I have
tried ".configure cxxflags="-fPIC"
69 [00:39:27] <KNERD> mikeliss: Whever your ideal place you want
it to go
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71 [00:39:45] <mikeliss> Super helpful KNERD, thanks. :)
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74 [00:42:12] <EdePopede> KNERD: could it be your client runs on
localtime and your bnc on utc?
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78 [00:45:02] <KNERD> Then how many hours ago did you type this?
<EdePopede> [21:28:37] xVim: do you have a reading starting
point on /usr/share/X11/xkb by accident? last time i really cared
about it i still had to use `startx` ;)
79 [00:45:33] <KNERD> Nearly 6 PM here now,
80 [00:45:39] <EdePopede> KNERD: something more than 2hrs ago
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82 [00:46:07] <KNERD> that could also mean a week ago :-)
83 [00:46:35] <KNERD> but yes, I guess I need to check the time
out
84 [00:46:48] <ChmEarl> KNERD, re: -fPIC `dpkg-buildflags
--list`
85 [00:46:51] <EdePopede> i know that 1 dog year makes 7 human
years, but where are 2 hours one week? ;)
86 [00:47:14] <EdePopede> unless you're stuck in a timeloop
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89 [00:47:59] <ChmEarl> KNERD, -fPIC is part of hardening
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93 [00:48:58] <KNERD> ChmEarl: CFLAGS CPPFLAGS CXXFLAGS FCFLAGS
FFLAGS GCJFLAGS LDFLAGS OBJCFLAGS OBJCXXFLAGS
94 [00:49:19] <ChmEarl> KNERD sorry -fPIE is part of hardening,
not PIC
95 [00:49:27] <KNERD> EdePopede: You wrote "something more
than 2hrs ago"
96 [00:50:50] <EdePopede> "more than $X" usually means
]$X; ${X+1}[
97 [00:50:53] <KNERD> ChmEarl: then is ./configure
cxxflags="-fPIC" correct? I still get the same compiel
error
98 [00:51:59] <ChmEarl> KNERD, check your config.log... that
flag should be appended
99 [00:52:40] <ChmEarl> KNERD, man dpkg-buildflags good
discussion
100 [00:52:54] <KNERD> okay thanks
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137 [01:21:18] <SDr> hi guys, using Jessie in a docker build,
I'm getting: W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
138 [01:21:53] <SDr> and that file indeed does not exists. This
broke all our docker builds today.
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140 [01:23:24] <KNERD> Di dyou read the Topic?
141 [01:24:05] <SDr> okay, erm, why did it needed to be removed?
142 [01:24:11] <SDr> and what's the upgrade path?
143 [01:24:24] <Arrowmaster> upgrade to stretch
144 [01:25:18] <Arrowmaster> then buster later this year
145 [01:25:32] <KNERD> Not sure. I heard mention a discussion on
bringing them bacl
146 [01:25:36] <KNERD> *back
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148 [01:28:04] <aloo_shu> ah, on a side note: how will wheezy
& wheezy-backports repo lines be affected?
149 [01:28:44] <aloo_shu> smthg archive smthg?
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155 [01:30:58] <KNERD> yes..
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157 [01:31:32] <KNERD>
replaced-url
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166 [01:40:05] <aloo_shu> KNERD: so in this line deb
replaced-url
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170 [01:40:34] <KNERD> I would not know
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174 [01:41:29] <aloo_shu> I'll try
175 [01:41:41] <guiverc> SDr,
replaced-url
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185 [01:52:42] <aloo_shu> KNERD: worked totally fine, the one err
I get, is
replaced-url
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188 [01:54:20] <aloo_shu> ahh, ok: 22/03/2019 :
189 [01:54:21] <aloo_shu> Wheezy has been moved to
replaced-url
190 [01:54:31] <aloo_shu> :)
191 [01:54:55] <aloo_shu> <3
192 [01:55:27] <johnjay> hi
193 [01:55:30] <johnjay> i'm having a problem with dhclient
194 [01:55:45] <johnjay> specifically it refuses to get me an IP
when my router resets
195 [01:55:57] <johnjay> and i have to type "sudo
dhclient" at the command line manually. is there a way to
overcome this?
196 [01:56:26] <johnjay> i guess i have 2 dhclient processes
running atm
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199 [02:00:45] <aloo_shu> ok, my old wheezy's aptitude
doesn't know a method for https, using http, it complains about
a missing signature, list could not get verified. I take it
that's a warning rather than an error?
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205 [02:01:35] <aloo_shu> missing key
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208 [02:02:26] <CarlFK> should I post this somewhere:
replaced-url
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234 [02:13:24] <whipplek> how can I disable the
"Terminated" messages I get when a background process is
killed?
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236 [02:13:57] <whipplek> I've got a cron job whose process
is killed by an external script and it's sending mails
containing nothing but "Terminated" which eats up my 300
email a day limit
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243 [02:27:43] <aloo_shu> whipplek: try appending > /dev/null
2>&1
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246 [02:31:27] <aloo_shu> probably to the crontab entry, OR to
the kill command, whatever it is that gives the
'Terminated' msg, prolly it's the trrminated
process' last word
247 [02:35:27] <aloo_shu> whipplek: that's supposed to
redirect msgs to the void (/dev/null) instead of stdout / stderr,
from where something else that you could also try to disable must be
picking messages to mail
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251 [02:38:54] <whipplek> I added a second line to the kill
command using wait ${pid} 2> /dev/null
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254 [02:43:24] <aloo_shu> I'd lie if I'd say I was on
top of bash syntax :), just wanted to give the idea
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256 [02:44:52] <aloo_shu> you still want to figure/test if
'Terminated' belongs to the killing or the killed process
as output
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270 [03:03:03] <CarlFK> trap might work
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281 [03:13:34] <ferd> Hello everyone
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283 [03:13:55] <wintermute2> Hi, is there an estimation when
Gnome 3.32 will make it into unstable or testing?
284 [03:14:18] <awal1> ,v gnome
285 [03:14:19] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; sid: 1:3.22+13;
buster: 1:3.30+1
286 [03:14:57] <awal1> buster newer than sid ?
287 [03:15:00] <awal1> hm
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289 [03:16:56] * awal1 Have never seen such a shit, Windows 10...
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291 [03:17:37] <Bjornn> buster will be the next release awal1
292 [03:17:54] <Bjornn> sid is for testing
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295 [03:18:07] <awal1> Bjornn, i know; i was reffering to gnome
versions
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298 [03:18:18] <awal1> testing vs unstable
299 [03:18:22] <awal1> ,v gnome
300 [03:18:25] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; sid: 1:3.22+13;
buster: 1:3.30+1
301 [03:18:35] <awal1> i see testing having newer version
302 [03:18:58] <Bjornn> sid as I understanding is just for
testing and development
303 [03:19:14] <Bjornn> buster will eventually be debian 10
304 [03:19:55] <awal1> i use sid, not sure about stable versions
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306 [03:20:03] <awal1> 10 seems yeah
307 [03:20:17] <awal1> dpkg: stable version
308 [03:20:17] <dpkg> awal1: I give up, what is it?
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310 [03:20:30] <Bjornn> !sid
311 [03:20:31] <dpkg> somebody said sid was the codename for
<unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys.
The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to
keep ALL the pieces!!
312 [03:20:40] <awal1> dpkg: stable
313 [03:20:40] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release
when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will
only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed
in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is
Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are
fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me
about <security backports>).
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314 [03:20:58] <awal1> stretch 9.x so buster 10.x
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317 [03:21:12] <Bjornn> ye, that's right
318 [03:22:13] <Bjornn> guessing release somewhere in the mid
summer
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320 [03:22:32] <Bjornn> I'm still on 9.8 I think.
321 [03:22:52] <awal1> april/may i guess. like 5 years running
sid and all fine, never broken
322 [03:23:08] <awal1> 9.9 now i guess stretch is
323 [03:23:31] <awal1> no, 9.8 i see in debian site
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325 [03:23:44] <Bjornn> I thought about running sid but the docs
scared me off
326 [03:24:13] <awal1> not suitable if for work/business purposes
327 [03:24:39] <awal1> daily home use, if you have a bit of time
to manage bugs sometimes, suitable yes
328 [03:28:02] <Bjornn> I was looking at qute browser which I
guess is only under sid, so I was not able to get on stretch
329 [03:28:25] <johnjay> qute as in Qt?
330 [03:28:31] <johnjay> that's a new browser to me
331 [03:28:50] <Bjornn> that's how they spell it qutebrowser
332 [03:29:21] <Bjornn> mostly keyboard control I guess is the
idea
333 [03:29:37] <Bjornn> lunuxy, like emacs controls I would say
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336 [03:30:04] <johnjay> well, emacs already has some kind of
browser in it
337 [03:30:08] <Bjornn> some of the libs are not available in
stretch no matter how hard you work at it
338 [03:30:13] <johnjay> i guess vim might as well if you're
into that
339 [03:30:31] <Bjornn> I just thought the browser would be cool
to try
340 [03:30:39] <johnjay> fun fact about text mode browsing, even
though w3m can load images, elinks actually loads some basic
javascript
341 [03:30:43] <Bjornn> without a spying and crap from the big
names
342 [03:31:18] <Bjornn> I guess all the browsers eventually start
collecting data and selling it.
343 [03:31:40] <johnjay> there are some privacy ones
344 [03:31:52] <johnjay> duckduckgo browser, brave, probably
others i can't think of
345 [03:32:04] <johnjay> i assume they would have to limit
javascript somehow
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348 [03:35:33] <Bjornn> opera is nice with some built in ad
blocking and mini vpn
349 [03:35:39] <awal1> firefox with vampiror extension
350 [03:35:42] <Bjornn> but that is not safe, from my experience
351 [03:35:52] <awal1> not sure if called vampiror or vampire
352 [03:36:07] <awal1> maybe it is no longer out there
353 [03:36:17] <johnjay> did noscript ever go away?
354 [03:36:22] <johnjay> or is that still a thing
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356 [03:36:28] <awal1> it still i guess
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358 [03:36:40] <awal1> ,v xul-ext-noscript
359 [03:36:41] <judd> Package: xul-ext-noscript on amd64 --
wheezy: 2.6.8.19-1~deb7u2; jessie: 2.9.0.11-1~deb8u1; buster:
10.1.9.6-2; sid: 10.1.9.6-2
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364 [03:37:41] <awal1> probably obsolete since ff doesn't
support xul stuff anymore i think
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367 [03:38:18] <Bjornn> firefox has a beta out that supposed to
be improving security and such.
368 [03:38:32] <Bjornn> I had heard firefox was not safe due to
sandbox issues
369 [03:38:41] <awal1> ff is everyday more heavy and slower vs
chromium/chrome
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372 [03:38:48] <johnjay> There is no quantum, only xul.
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376 [03:39:04] <Bjornn> I don't like google but they make a
great browser
377 [03:39:10] <awal1> yep
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379 [03:39:15] <Bjornn> I hate to use it, for the privacy thing
but I do anyway
380 [03:39:24] <awal1> same here:D
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383 [03:44:06] <Mathisen> chromium is better then chrome privacy
vice
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385 [03:45:25] <daniel-s> Hi. have backports for Jessie been
discontinued. I get this for jessie-backports, but not for other
repos that are also at ftp.debian.org
386 [03:45:25] <johnjay> i think chromium is the FOSS version
right? so it won't do flash?
387 [03:45:26] <daniel-s> W: Failed to fetch
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388 [03:45:50] <johnjay> daniel-s: did you apt-get update first?
389 [03:46:06] <daniel-s> Yeah
390 [03:46:18] <Mathisen> johnjay, well there is pepper-flash for
that
391 [03:46:23] <daniel-s> apt-get update && apt-get
dist-upgrade
392 [03:46:50] <daniel-s> That's the line, so I don't
know if it's the update or the upgrade command during which
that error comes.
393 [03:47:11] <daniel-s> I'm assuming the former since
it's probably returning with an error.
394 [03:47:35] <awal1> something have changed recently for some
repos, moving
395 [03:48:01] <awal1> not sure if lts, oldstable or what
396 [03:48:18] <awal1> check news/userlists
397 [03:48:23] <daniel-s> OK
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399 [03:49:50] <Mathisen> daniel-s, can confirm that
jessie-backports are removed from the swedish mirrors also i use
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401 [03:50:26] <daniel-s> OK, thanks. I was planning on upgrading
to the new stable now. This is a laptop that has had everything
important backed up.
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405 [03:51:03] <daniel-s> So I was just going to change jessie to
stretch and upgrade. I guess I will no longer need backports.
406 [03:52:08] <awal1> google "Removal of Wheezy and Jessie
(except LTS) from mirrors"
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408 [03:52:32] <awal1> maybe that is what you want
409 [03:53:30] <awal1>
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411 [03:58:02] <awal1> looks like no:P
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414 [04:04:05] <daniel-s> awal1: Mathisen: Thanks :-)
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421 [04:09:57] <kreyren> debian doesn't work without
SELinux?
422 [04:10:16] <kreyren> removed it from kernel and nothing works
(chromium, firefox, sudo)
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425 [04:13:15] <KNERD> you could of just disabled it
426 [04:13:30] <kreyren> how do i use it without it?
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428 [04:14:10] <KNERD> compile your own kernel?
429 [04:14:34] <kreyren> yep with MuQSS + CPU arch patches
(planning PaX)
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440 [04:24:55] <CarlFK> kreyren: why did you disable it?
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446 [04:26:52] <KNERD> he wrote, removed, not disabled
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449 [04:29:43] <CarlFK> ah. yeah. that. why?
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453 [04:34:40] <kreyren> CarlFK: i dont like security holes in my
system
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476 [04:59:56] <awal1> kreyren how can you afirm it is a security
hole?
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481 [05:06:11] <kreyren> awal1: afirm it meaning
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485 [05:08:20] <awal1> kreyren, how you deduced it is a security
hole
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487 [05:08:46] <awal1> or just a web paranoia ?
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495 [05:20:24] <bkm> so, I downloaded, burned the Beowulf
mini.iso from
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496 [05:20:37] <awal1> kreyren, i am not a computing security
expert but I don't think that gnu/linux devs / experts are
dumbs ;)
497 [05:21:22] <kreyren> awal1: it's made by untrusted
developer (NSA)..
498 [05:21:44] <awal1> well, ...
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501 [05:22:11] <awal1> the code is free
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503 [05:22:46] <awal1> dpkg:SELinux
504 [05:22:46] <dpkg> Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is
NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it
can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ:
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508 [05:23:22] <kreyren> Company which business plan is to
exploit security holes in OS to the extent which cause WannaCry
random worldwide makes a security tool for linux -> if they
wanted they could abuse SELinux probably..
509 [05:24:14] <awal1> i trust debian
510 [05:24:59] <kreyren> u dont trust NSA :D
511 [05:25:01] <kreyren> *i
512 [05:25:15] <awal1> :D
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518 [05:28:20] <batmore> Anyone with info on Devuan Beowulf
mini.iso install use?
519 [05:28:41] <batmore> I downloaded, burned the Beowulf
mini.iso from
replaced-url
520 [05:29:11] <awal1> !devuan
521 [05:29:11] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
522 [05:29:35] <batmore> k, out of here...!
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527 [05:32:03] <KNERD> It is open source so you can look at the
code to see what it does
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532 [05:37:08] <KNERD> There was an excutive order for the NSA to
develop protections for information systems in the US.
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536 [05:43:25] <aloo_shu> kreyren: on my debian here,
there's only one selinux pkg installed: libselinux1 , but that
has appx. 100 dependants, and it looks like pam and dbus are among
them
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541 [05:45:15] <aloo_shu> basically I can see your point: you can
view any security layer as something that controls (protection) or
grants (risk) access
542 [05:45:18] <kreyren> aloo_shu: noted, but i need it to be NSA
independant..
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548 [05:46:35] <aloo_shu> kreyren: try TempleOS :) . Or write to
the NSA
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556 [05:54:04] <kreyren> lol
557 [05:54:28] <kreyren> probably have to make custom .deb then
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566 [06:07:05] <aloo_shu> kreyren: this is moving towards the
off-topic, but an irc accquaintance is making his own hardened
gentoo, and would share the philosophy of rather removing than
adding layers and services. not sure how he thinks about selinux. so
far he's never published it, not sure if he would hand out
copies
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568 [06:07:45] <kreyren> interesting, any source?
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575 [06:15:20] <OS-44308> !support
576 [06:15:20] <dpkg> "No one can write decently who is
distrustful of the reader's intelligence, or whose attitude is
patronizing" - E.B. White. The same is true for giving support.
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582 [06:24:51] <kreyren> eh?
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591 [06:34:18] <aloo_shu> kreyren: I've given him your nick
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600 [06:41:49] <kreyren> ty
601 [06:42:03] <kreyren> any idea how is he hardening it?
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682 [08:23:03] <milkt> does anyone know which package do i need
to use j / k / ^D / ^U shortcuts in man pages?
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712 [09:07:51] <binaryhermit> is there a way to send content via
rsync without encryption
713 [09:08:10] <binaryhermit> I mean, it's over a wifi link
protected via wpa2, no internet
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715 [09:08:26] <binaryhermit> if I could avoid the overhead,
maybe it's faster
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735 [09:22:53] <rant> binaryhermit: I seriously doubt unless you
are using a CPU on one end or the other that is more than 10 years
old, that this is even remotely the bottleneck
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740 [09:24:05] <rant> you want faster transfers locally, stop
using f'n wifi.. plug the drive in directly or use wired
networking
741 [09:25:02] <binaryhermit> it's a n3350 running debian in
a container on a vm without ethernet (long story) sending and a
raspberry pi3b+ running raspbian
742 [09:25:11] <binaryhermit> gets about 6MB/s
743 [09:25:30] <binaryhermit> so it's not *too* bad
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745 [09:27:10] <rant> yes the lag is probably due to network or
disk IO. how much data could you possibly need to transfer to a Pi
anyhow? its not like they have very extensive storage options
746 [09:27:46] <rant> one thing those crappy lil pi boards CAN do
well, is stuff like encryption
747 [09:28:09] <binaryhermit> it's a usb hd
748 [09:28:31] <rant> enough said.. rotating disk, usb 2.0 at
best..
749 [09:28:38] <binaryhermit> anyway, it's not that big of a
deal
750 [09:28:40] <rant> over wifi on an arm SBC
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755 [09:30:04] <rant> if its a USB3 disk, plugging the disk into
a USB3 port on the source would get you like 10x or more that speed
instantly
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769 [09:47:26] <aje> Moo
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771 [09:48:24] <KOLANICH> Hello everybody.
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773 [09:49:58] <KOLANICH> Is there any GOOD and RIGNT way to call
update-alternatives when installing a deb package without parsing
its output with a shell script
774 [09:50:01] <KOLANICH> ?
775 [09:50:16] <KOLANICH> *RIGHT
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813 [10:17:22] <veek> i'm backing up apt/archives into a tar
file and restoring it later but after apt-get update and apt-get
install the same files are being re-downloaded.. what am I doing
wrong?
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827 [10:21:32] <Sellerie> Good morning, I just installed Debian
testing on my new Thinkpad. In the installer I created an ESP and a
luks volume, created an lvm2 container inside of that and installed
the OS with LVM, sadly, GRUB is not configured to decrypt the luks
volume, as cryptomount does nothing. Can anyone help me?
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830 [10:22:21] <Sellerie> also grub names the luks volume as
`unknown filesystem`
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832 [10:23:28] <neglesaks> güt mööning
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836 [10:25:05] <Sellerie> Wë üsïng röck
döts nöw?
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838 [10:27:43] <rant> pull your pants up, there will be no
mooning anyone in #debian :P
839 [10:28:13] <ArlequInOut> Sellerie, without elegant solution,
maybe a trick with a custom initrd to boot your OS
840 [10:29:26] <Sellerie> Well I'd like to have a permanent
solution :D
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842 [10:29:53] <rant> all temporary solutions are permanent if
repeated :D
843 [10:29:54] <Sellerie> Well the problem is that the grub
already cant open up the luks volume, so atm I'm stranded
844 [10:30:09] <bingbotboom> Debian only exposes interfaces
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846 [10:30:28] <neglesaks> i am not mööning anyöne
in zis channele, I speak Le French!
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848 [10:30:53] <rant> yes well between talk of mooning and
exposing interfaces, I'm a lil concerned
849 [10:31:01] <Sellerie> oof
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851 [10:31:27] <Sellerie> I already insmod-ed the modules
required to open up the luks volume, but the cryptomount command
doesnt do what it's supposed to do so I cannot boot debian from
that grub atm :/
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853 [10:31:44] <neglesaks> We will abstract our way out of it
854 [10:31:56] <bingbotboom> single user mode?
855 [10:32:20] <rant> this is #debian not Les Bains Douches
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858 [10:33:29] <neglesaks> Oh, wrong channnel, my apologies.
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862 [10:33:57] <bingbotboom> oh my
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871 [10:35:53] <bingbotboom> sometimes look for an older kernel
you can revert to is in /root or /boot
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877 [10:39:04] <bingbotboom> the in grub pointing to the new
dodgy kernel,
878 [10:39:17] <Sellerie> bingbotboom are you talking to me?
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903 [10:52:36] <Blondie> sauvin is a handicapped retarded person
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905 [10:53:53] <Sellerie> That's really not nice of you to
say that
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913 [10:59:14] <mackerel449> trying to upgrade to buster, is it
normal for half of the packages to be kept back on `upgrade`?
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917 [10:59:45] <Unit193> 'apt upgrade' disallows
package removal, so I'd think so.
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925 [11:01:29] <mackerel449> so packages like gnome-session
gnome-shell are upgraded with dist-upgrade? those are also kept back
926 [11:01:53] <Unit193> I can't speak to those
specifically.
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982 [11:32:39] <bedah> hi. just for fun reasons, is it possible
to change the behaviour of linux to display the ddate instead of
date on everything? like output of `ls -a` ?
983 [11:34:07] <bedah> hmm i know whom to ask :D
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988 [11:37:13] <Rond> hi, quick question: at some point I started
getting unattended-upgrade mails even when no packages are upgraded.
is this behavior configurable?
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993 [11:40:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> bedah, by setting LC_TIME. You
may need to write a locale file for that, though.
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locale for LC_TIME for discordian calendar
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1050 [12:13:05] <AiA> Hello, I'm having this problem when
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1052 [12:14:14] <AiA> \msg dpkg guidelines
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1056 [12:16:20] <rant> AiA: you're in #debian, we support
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1057 [12:16:26] <rant> dpkg, what is antix?
1058 [12:16:27] <dpkg> rant: I think you lost me on that one
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1212 [12:18:29] <SpeedyG> !antix
1213 [12:18:29] <dpkg> antiX is a live CD distribution based on
<MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian.
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1217 [12:18:32] <SpeedyG> that :)
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1238 [12:19:54] <rant> thats incorrect
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1253 [12:22:20] <SpeedyG> its based on debian now, at least thats
what the antix site says... so the last element is still relevant..
1254 [12:22:23] <SpeedyG> !based on debian
1255 [12:22:23] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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1265 [12:24:20] <SpeedyG> so probably someone who can, should
update the dpkg entry to have a link to antixlinux instead
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1271 [12:27:09] <rant> dpkg, no, antix is <reply>antiX is a
fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free linux live CD
distribution based on Debian Stable for Intel-AMD x86 compatible
systems (
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1272 [12:27:09] <dpkg> okay, rant
1273 [12:27:15] <rant> distro like Debian. antiX and MX are NOT
supported here.
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1276 [12:27:48] <rant> dpkg antix =~ s/supported/supported distro
like Debian. antiX and MX are NOT supported here./
1277 [12:27:48] <dpkg> OK, rant
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1280 [12:28:21] <JyZyXEL> every time i start fancontrol either via
/etc/init.d/fancontrol or systemctl start fancontrol, it overwrites
my /etc/fancontrol with old settings
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1282 [12:28:37] <JyZyXEL> i can't figure out where it's
storing the old values
1283 [12:28:44] <rant> JyZyXEL: did you stop the daemon before
changing the file?
1284 [12:28:48] <JyZyXEL> rant: yes
1285 [12:29:20] <JyZyXEL> if i run it "sudo fancontrol"
it works with the new config without overwriting it
1286 [12:29:22] <rant> thats usually the cause of such problems..
the config file is loaded into memory and written back when the
daemon exits
1287 [12:29:41] <rant> JyZyXEL: is there an
/etc/default/fancontrol ?
1288 [12:29:51] <JyZyXEL> nope
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1294 [12:31:35] <JyZyXEL> the file does begin with "#
Configuration file generated by pwmconfig, changes will be
lost"
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1300 [12:33:25] <JyZyXEL> i tried making /etc/fancontrol not
writable but it still gets replaced with the old config, as soon as
i start fancontrol via systemd or the init script
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1307 [12:34:36] <JyZyXEL> this is one of the most peculiar problem
i've come across
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1312 [12:36:03] <boycottg00gle>
replaced-url
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1314 [12:37:56] <JyZyXEL> rant: ohhhhh, looks like i've set
myself up for this! looks like i've at some point made my own
wrapper for fancontrol.service under
"/etc/systemd/system/fancontrol.service" and had totally
forgotten about it :D
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1320 [12:45:30] <boycottg00gle> please help - and spread the word:
replaced-url
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1326 [12:49:10] <rant> JyZyXEL: yeah just looked like two shell
scripts to me, and totally useless ones at that
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1328 [12:50:11] <cadburn2> I've a PCI ethernet NIC and added
a PCIe SSD and now network bridge doens't work anymore but
lspci still shows both devices, could reconfiguring the network
bridge fix it? lspci -vv showed the NIC as 01:05.0 without the SSD
and as 02:05.0 with the ssd
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1331 [12:51:11] <Namarrgon> look at your network configs, the name
of the interfaces has probably changed
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1335 [12:52:16] <cadburn2> I will look at it, but will take quite
some time as i have to reboot everything and this PC goes offline,
thanks
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1364 [13:09:02] <boycottg00gle> please help - and spread the word:
replaced-url
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1366 [13:10:32] <kreyren> what service needs to be started for
snap to work?
replaced-url
1367 [13:10:44] <kreyren> (using OpenRC)
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1370 [13:11:53] <kreyren> (ubunters starts screaming and running
away when i say OpenRC please help)
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1380 [13:18:21] <Tayo> i got trouble with kernel upgrade and dkms.
Is it safe to purge dkms so the new kernel will be installed?
1381 [13:18:46] <ayekat> kreyren: ubuntu with openrc...? O_o
1382 [13:18:51] * ayekat screams and runs away
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1384 [13:19:19] <kreyren> ayekat: bedrock linux with ubuntu strata
since debian depends on SELinux
1385 [13:19:29] <kreyren> using gentoo as master strata that uses
OpenRC
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1387 [13:19:42] <rant> @.@
1388 [13:20:19] <ayekat> and where does... #debian come into play
there?
1389 [13:20:23] <rant> Tayo: depends on your definition of
"safe" and your question is probably offtopic here because
I highly doubt this issue is related to debian stable
1390 [13:20:29] <ayekat> also what's a strata *searches web*
1391 [13:20:44] <rant> ayekat: its the distro he's avoiding
using in every way possible, but wants support from
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1394 [13:21:50] <ayekat> ah, strata is something related to
bedrock, it seems
1395 [13:22:24] <ayekat> rant: so bedrock+gentoo+ubuntu -> ask
on #debian... makes sense ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
1396 [13:22:54] <Tayo> oh is this not the debian stable channel?
1397 [13:23:07] <kreyren> ayekat: method that bedrock uses to
proide compatibility of distro specific packages
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1399 [13:23:13] * kreyren installs debian strata then
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1402 [13:23:53] <rant> ayekat: yes, I'll notify Aaron James
to update his theory on assholes.. the "helpless asshole"
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1404 [13:24:08] <rant> forget f'n starata, and all this crap,
and just install debian
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1409 [13:25:33] <rant> if you wanna fool with building
frankenstien monsters from various FOSS projects you're free to
do so, but don't go nagging volunteers about supporting the
shit
1410 [13:26:42] <rant> doesn't matter if you use a debian
strata or a debian galaxy, or cosmos or any of that shit.. if
you're not using DEBIAN installed from the install media at
debian.org, using the stable branch, and packages from
deb.debian.org stable then you're just being an asshole asking
questions here
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1414 [13:27:52] <rant> I've been using Debian for nearly two
decades and I have nfc what bedrock is, what gentoo does, or any
damn thing else that is unrelated to a stable debian system, and I
couldn't possibly care any less if I tried
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1417 [13:28:43] <phogg> bedrock does frankenDebian on a scale that
will make you feint with horror
1418 [13:29:44] <kreyren> **BEDROCK IS NOT FRANKEN**
1419 [13:29:56] <phogg> Bedrock is madness in a box.
1420 [13:30:04] <kreyren> *boxes
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1422 [13:30:21] <phogg> It's what you get if you go crazy and
don't notice and then tell everyone about how nice crazy is.
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1424 [13:30:44] <kreyren> so what service do i need for snaps to
work o.o
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1426 [13:31:08] <phogg> couldn't tell you
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1428 [13:31:15] <kreyren> why not
1429 [13:31:33] <phogg> I don't know what you mean by
"service" and "work" and I don't care about
snaps.
1430 [13:32:33] <kreyren> i woudn't care either if some
packages didn't have so many deps that i dont want in my system
1431 [13:32:37] <phogg> the whole snap thing is, IMO, just another
bad idea that won't last. Not interested.
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1433 [13:32:55] <phogg> You *still need the deps* for the snap
version! It's just handled in a less-good way.
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1435 [13:33:19] <boycottg00gle> what does 2+2=5 mean?
1436 [13:33:35] <phogg> boycottg00gle: something illogical is
going on
1437 [13:33:39] <kreyren> probably, but i still want that
functionality
1438 [13:33:43] <kreyren> bcs powa
1439 [13:33:44] <MisterrT> "it's more than the sum of
its parts"
1440 [13:33:44] <boycottg00gle> phogg: pah
1441 [13:33:57] <boycottg00gle> pah
1442 [13:34:02] <phogg> kreyren: I suggest that you do not want
that functionality, you just don't know it.
1443 [13:34:31] <phogg> Seems great on paper, not going to be
awesome later on.
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1445 [13:34:59] <kreyren> phogg: i know that it's terrible
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1447 [13:35:09] <kreyren> i still want to fix it in bedrock to be
used on demand if needed
1448 [13:35:21] <phogg> kreyren: find a bedrock channel
1449 [13:35:57] <kreyren> not bedrock issue
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1451 [13:36:31] <phogg> kreyren: Doesn't matter whether you
think it is, it's not supported here. Try a bedrock channel or
a general Linux channel.
1452 [13:36:49] <kreyren> or stop beeing a dick and give me the
info i need?
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1454 [13:37:06] <phogg> kreyren: In the first place I can't,
in the second place this isn't the forum for it anyway.
1455 [13:37:24] * kreyren shrugs
1456 [13:37:36] <phogg> kreyren: Hi, this is me being *helpful*:
You won't get help on this here. That's the most helpful I
can be on this topic in this channel.
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1459 [13:38:31] <kreyren> me fair enough, but this is not helping
1460 [13:38:55] <ayekat> kreyren: because you are in the wrong
place to ask
1461 [13:39:14] <kreyren> where else do you expect me to ask this
is debian issue
1462 [13:39:27] <kreyren> just debian running on custom kernel
1463 [13:39:40] <phogg> kreyren: ask in ##linux
1464 [13:39:51] <kreyren> meh too general
1465 [13:39:53] <phogg> the other part of your problem is you
didn't provide nearly enough information
1466 [13:40:04] <phogg> but I don't want more, not here
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1480 [13:45:05] <kreyren> is there a gui client for snaps?
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1491 [13:48:27] <phogg> kreyren:
replaced-url
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1495 [13:49:46] <kreyren> wow thanks didn't think of that
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1497 [13:50:29] <phogg> kreyren: "Not in Debian" is the
answer.
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1499 [13:50:58] <kreyren> still not beeing helpful since snapcraft
gui seems to be not usable
1500 [13:51:03] <kreyren> Debian doesn't support snaps?
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1502 [13:51:56] <phogg> I believe snapd is packaged, but not much
more. I don't really know.
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1505 [13:53:04] <kreyren> ty that was actually helpful
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1511 [13:59:06] <Anu91> Hi
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1514 [14:00:00] <avengerist> Hi
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1517 [14:01:48] <kreyren> nuqneH
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1525 [14:07:34] <phogg> kreyren: is that Klingon?
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1527 [14:08:23] <kreyren> phogg: Hlja'
1528 [14:09:54] <phogg> thought do; looked very Klingon
1529 [14:10:03] <phogg> s/do/so/
1530 [14:10:51] <kreyren> hmm o.o
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1598 [15:02:16] <cacasotto> ciao
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1606 [15:07:52] <FightingFalcon> can i see console commands i used
like 6 months ago?
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1608 [15:08:09] <vlt> FightingFalcon: ~/.bash_history
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1611 [15:08:46] <FightingFalcon> is that in root folder?
1612 [15:09:03] <vlt> FightingFalcon: "~" stand for the
user's home directory.
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1634 [15:25:27] <LikWidChz> anyone available to help out with a
weird wireless problem, for whatever reason I can't my card
into monitor mode... which is weird because it works in kali just
not in the fresh install of debian
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1642 [15:30:35] <FightingFalcon> thanks vlt
1643 [15:30:39] <FightingFalcon> you saved my day
1644 [15:31:05] <johnjay> does anybody know how i can get dhclient
to reacquire ip addresses more aggressively?
1645 [15:31:16] <johnjay> it fails to do so when i reset my LAN
router
1646 [15:32:00] <LikWidChz> wouldn't you still have an ip
before you reset your router? just because your router resets
doesn't mean that every device that has had an IP lease from
that dhcp server doesn't just go away.
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1651 [15:33:20] <Greyztar> hello,im not too familiar with the
possibilities of chroot,is it possibel to duplicate my existing
debian install while running and then chroot into it?My goal is to
replicate my system and try out updating my applications?
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1662 [15:38:00] <toruvinn> Greyztar, i dont think that would be
easy with just chroot. the reason for that is that you'll need
/proc, /dev and /sys (the latter probably being fine, but /proc is
definitely a problem here). you may wanna try some containers
instead... or, the easiest thing that comes to mind, just copy it
inside a VM.
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1664 [15:39:01] <Greyztar> toruvinn: ok thanks for the heads up
(,")
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1673 [15:49:06] <ksk> Hey. I have a systemd service running as a
user (not a user service) - If I open a shell for that user, and
exit it, "/usr/bin/clear_console" invoked via .bash_logout
kills (sigterm) that systemd service..
1674 [15:49:24] <ksk> How would I investigate on why its doing
that? manpage seems rather minimal
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1679 [15:54:24] <rant> johnjay: set the lease time lower
1680 [15:54:58] <johnjay> is that a command line paramter or in a
config file?
1681 [15:55:08] <rant> johnjay: it'd be in the dhcp server on
your router
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1683 [15:55:10] <johnjay> I looked in the man page and only saw
-timeout as maybe useful
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1685 [15:55:24] <rant> johnjay: a client will not renew a dhcp
lease unless the interface is just brought up or the lease expires
1686 [15:55:32] <johnjay> well i'm resetting the router
1687 [15:55:37] <johnjay> would that not make the lease expire?
1688 [15:55:58] <rant> no, dhcp is not like a keepalive tcp
connection its a one shot thing
1689 [15:56:25] <johnjay> eh. well why is my debian box not
reconnecting but every other device and pc is
1690 [15:56:35] <rant> dhcp client says to the network hello, any
dhcp servers out there, I want to be on this network? and the dhcp
server responds, ok, cool, here's your config info and its
expire time
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1694 [15:57:20] <rant> johnjay: how is the interface in question
configured? /etc/network/interfaces, network-manager, .. ?
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1696 [15:58:06] <johnjay> i don't see anything in
/etc/network/interfaces, and the directory for it is empty
1697 [15:58:08] <rant> is it a wired or wireless interface?
1698 [15:58:10] <johnjay> but network-manager isn't running
either
1699 [15:58:13] <johnjay> wired. eth0
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1701 [15:58:33] <johnjay> i have to type sudo dhclient manually to
get the interface to come up again after resetting the router
1702 [15:58:40] <rant> what OS are you running on this machine?
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1704 [15:59:02] <johnjay> huh
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1706 [15:59:11] <johnjay> debian
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1708 [15:59:25] <johnjay> i have a debian box that is not
reconnecting to my LAN when i manually reset the router
1709 [15:59:58] <johnjay> i'm not sure exactly how the
network is configured
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1711 [16:00:48] <rant> johnjay: (cat /etc/debian_version;uname
-a;apt policy;cat /etc/network/interfaces;systemctl status)|nc
termbin.com 9999
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1714 [16:03:02] <johnjay> journalctl shows some lines about
dhclient actually
1715 [16:03:06] <johnjay> something about renewal in 38111 seconds
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1717 [16:03:30] <johnjay> sec
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1721 [16:04:29] <rant> thats over 10 hours
1722 [16:05:03] <johnjay> oh
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1724 [16:05:27] <johnjay> so i should figure out how to set it
lower as you suggested?
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1727 [16:06:30] <rant> idk depends on the router firmware or dhcp
server in question
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1732 [16:07:32] <rant> 1800sec would be 30 minutes or 120sec would
be ever 2 minutes.. seems like you may have it set to 12-48hrs or so
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1737 [16:08:49] <johnjay> ah ok
1738 [16:08:51] <johnjay> /sbin/dhclient -v -cf
/var/lib/wicd/dhclient.conf eth0
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1740 [16:09:10] <johnjay> that showed up in the status command you
said too
1741 [16:09:20] <rant> ew
1742 [16:09:39] <rant> thats probably the source of your issues
there.. using f'n wicd.. are you using LXDE by chance?
1743 [16:10:15] <johnjay> yes
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1745 [16:10:34] <johnjay> is tehre something wrong with lxde?
1746 [16:10:37] <rant> setting lease times lower is usually only
the proper solution if your network is saturated.. i.e. you have
many different clients leasing IPs and its likely that your IP pool
will be exceeded and stale IPs for devices not currently online
would need to be recycled
1747 [16:10:46] <bipul> Does anyone know here Creating/adding
storage controller like sata in virtualbox using pyVBox API ?
1748 [16:11:00] <rant> just that it uses wicd by default for its
network management and that wicd while being nice idea.. is a pile
of crap
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1750 [16:11:20] <rant> I like that its python, has curses
interfaces, etc.. but its buggy as can be
1751 [16:11:37] <DrBunsen> Hey all, I reinstalled debian a few
days back, and picked the wrong mapping for the numerical keypad. I
tried changing the keyboard mapping, but the numerical keypad seems
to be seperate from that mapping. Does anyone know what to do next?
1752 [16:12:20] <rant> johnjay: and for what its worth I am
assuming you don't run debian, if you haven't already
picked up on that
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1756 [16:13:45] <rant> DrBunsen: you are not being clear.. do you
have a seperate keyboard that is just a numeric keypad?
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1760 [16:14:31] <DrBunsen> rant: it is the keypad on my keyboard.
It is just that it is mapped like a ATM, and not like the numbers on
it. During install I could select which mapping mode, and I picked
the wrong one.
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1762 [16:15:09] <johnjay> rant: technically i guess so, it's
a derivative, but 90% of problems i have can be answered from the
debian wiki
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1765 [16:15:34] <johnjay> anyway i'll take your advice and
try to get rid of wicd somehow.
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1777 [16:25:49] <KOLANICH> hi everyone
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1781 [16:27:28] <avengerist> hi
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1785 [16:28:48] <KOLANICH> what is the best way to
update-alternatives in a postinst hook in a deb package without
parsing its output
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1789 [16:29:28] <KOLANICH> *without parsing update-alternatives
non-machine-readable output
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1791 [16:30:21] <rant> uh, WHAT?!
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1797 [16:33:01] <rant> KOLANICH: perhaps if you can't specify
a command, what you expect to happen, and what actually happens, you
can look at a script I wrote I call dufus.sh when some dufus was in
here asking about installing FF nightly on Debian..
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1798 [16:33:34] <rant> I never did get around to testing that..
heh.. but I'm pretty sure it works
1799 [16:34:20] <rant> its relevant here cause you're bein a
dufus for not being specific about what command you run and what its
saying, and also cause this shows how to use update-alternatives
from a script
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1816 [16:45:25] <TingelTangelBob> Good afternoon. I'm having
a hard time finding drivers for network interface cards. The
adapters in question are Sun builds, in particular the models
511-1422 and 501-7606. Do you have an opinion on these cards, or Sun
NICs in general?
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1820 [16:48:25] <ksk> apart from a cynic comment related to the
century these were built, Im afraid no ;)
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1822 [16:48:48] <ksk> In debian network drivers tend to end up in
the nonfree repositories, (for realtek etc for example), so you
might check that out
1823 [16:48:58] <ksk> !tell TingelTangelBob about nonfree
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1826 [16:49:41] <queip> The owner of security.debian.org has
configured their website improperly. Error code:
SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER
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1828 [16:50:09] <queip>
sha256=DF:68:20:DA:43:5A:7C:1A:9C:43:8B:56:56:24:92:A5:E6:EC:F6:B1:92:8F:D1:4C:9F:5D:93:C7:7D:13:26:1B
1829 [16:50:40] <cryptodan_mobile> queip: works fine here
1830 [16:50:42] <KOLANICH> rant: I just want tomsay that the tools
requiring the stuff like
replaced-url
1831 [16:50:52] <KOLANICH> *to say
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1833 [16:51:19] <queip> issued by Debian SMTP CA
1834 [16:51:27] <queip> cryptodan_mobile: what is your sha256 of
the key?
1835 [16:51:40] <queip> CA key identifier is: 00 f6 08 13 4a 49 f7
da d3
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1837 [16:51:47] <cryptodan_mobile> queip:
replaced-url
1838 [16:51:55] <KOLANICH> and
replaced-url
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1841 [16:52:41] <queip> cryptodan_mobile: well mine is issued by
different CA
1842 [16:52:50] <KOLANICH> So I wonder if there are better ways to
manage that stuff, or the mentioned shit is still considered the
right way
1843 [16:52:52] <queip> cryptodan_mobile: but I mean on
otherdomain
1844 [16:53:02] <queip> cryptodan_mobile:
replaced-url
1845 [16:53:05] <cryptodan_mobile> Then its your issue not denian
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1847 [16:53:25] <queip> cryptodan_mobile: debian's website is
the one sending invalid SSL cert
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1849 [16:54:41] <queip> cryptodan_mobile: what cert do you get on
security.debian.org ? your screenshot was from
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1852 [16:55:42] <cryptodan_mobile> queip:
replaced-url
1853 [16:55:55] <Sensiva> queip it uses the same certificate
1854 [16:56:39] <rant> KOLANICH: idk doesn't seem like thats
a job of the package manager, it allows hooking of scripts, how the
script does it is entirely up to the package maintainer
1855 [16:56:59] <queip> Sensiva: for both me and cryptodan_mobile
it uses different. and we both see "security." one as
invalid
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1857 [16:57:26] <Mathisen> queip, this is reported
replaced-url
1858 [16:57:27] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1859 [16:57:49] <queip> thanks
1860 [16:58:17] <queip> 3 days and security can't configure
security of own website? if there lack of manpower?
1861 [16:58:27] <Sensiva> My mistake, I just opened
security.debian.org
1862 [16:58:38] <Mathisen> make that 4 years or so now. reported
2015
1863 [16:58:41] <Mathisen> hehe :)
1864 [16:58:45] <queip> wut
1865 [16:58:53] <queip> Mathisen: but it never before shown as
invalid cert
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1870 [17:00:23] <queip> Mathisen: why would you think this is same
bug?
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1873 [17:02:03] <Mathisen> google stoped trusting lets encrypt
cert last year in july
1874 [17:02:07] <KOLANICH> …ackage maintainer is to create
right package metadata (not code!) and setup scripts building the
package.
1875 [17:02:18] <queip> Mathisen: Im opening in firefox
1876 [17:02:21] <cryptodan_mobile> queip: why does it matter it
seems with every refresh of site it gets you a different server
1877 [17:02:21] <KOLANICH> *its
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1879 [17:03:06] <queip> cryptodan_mobile: refreshed security.
dozen o times, each time it's invalid
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1881 [17:03:48] <Mathisen> i cant speak for the maintainers of the
domain anyway. maybe someone in here is involved and can say more
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1887 [17:06:41] <cryptodan_mobile> queip: not here
1888 [17:06:56] <rant> KOLANICH: its doing that, via postinst
scripts provided by the maintainer
1889 [17:07:10] <Mathisen> cryptodan_mobile, is correct. when
doing some google-fu it seem this is the answer "
security.debian.org is a round-robin mirror which does not serve
traffic
1890 [17:07:10] <Mathisen> using https. " so it does not
mather
1891 [17:07:26] <queip> Mathisen: the website, not the apt repo
1892 [17:07:46] <queip> and
replaced-url
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1895 [17:08:11] <queip> maybe it's a coverup to not warn
people about the bug in thunderbird, in case if some
security.debian.org guys computers were already compromised through
that bug
1896 [17:08:12] <Sensiva> there is no website at
security.debian.org, if you open it in a web browser it forwards to
replaced-url
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1900 [17:08:36] <rant> KOLANICH: nobody is saying you have to use
that method that person used. if you wanted to you could create
elaborate reinventions of the wheel that update-alternatives and
grep does in python, lua, C, perl, whatever.. or you could just use
the tools that already exist
1901 [17:08:37] <queip> Sensiva: there always was a site when you
entered throught
replaced-url
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1904 [17:09:45] <queip> Sensiva: and the redirected-to site lacks
information about most recent exploit in Thunderbird
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1906 [17:10:22] <Sensiva> I don't know
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1908 [17:10:45] <cryptodan_mobile> Because maybe its listed at
mozilla.org
1909 [17:10:55] <cryptodan_mobile> And debian related
1910 [17:11:00] <cryptodan_mobile> Not*
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1912 [17:11:49] <queip> fyi thunderbird has critical remote
artibtrary code executions bugs, upgrade instantly if you use
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1914 [17:12:46] <Sensiva> are you sure that the version in debian
repos is affected?
1915 [17:13:54] <queip> Sensiva: that's what the email from
debian security mailing list says. sub to it
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1920 [17:14:57] <queip>
replaced-url
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1926 [17:17:44] <queip> that bug is described in:
replaced-url
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1932 [17:21:25] <KOLANICH> rant: yes I can. I have already
replaced debhelper with own wheel because it turned out debhelper
was incompatible with the way I "build" packages. So I
wonder if it makes sense to fix/reimplement update-alternatives the
right way. Or maybe to bring it right into apt. Or maybe reimplement
apt itself and then deprecate it. Anyway, currently used tools are
pain to deal with.
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1937 [17:24:46] <rant> KOLANICH: well from what you say, its clear
to me that you don't understand how much less why things work,
and you're stubborn enough to continue to do things your way
rather than attempt to learn and accept things.. because apt has
absolutely nothing to do with this
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1942 [17:26:15] <KOLANICH> rant: yes, sometimes it easier to
create own wheel than reverse engineer open-source projects from
their source code.
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1944 [17:26:28] <KOLANICH> *it is
1945 [17:26:40] <rant> the package manager is called dpkg. apt,
apt-get, apt-cache, aptitude, dselect, synaptic, etc are all just
frontends to dpkg.. its dpkg that actually unpacks the software,
manages the package databases, hooks the pre/post inst scripts, etc
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1992 [17:58:28] <DrBunsen> Hi, I reinstalled debian, and during
the install it asked me what mapping I would like on my numpad. I
seem to have select the wrong mapping, and I do not know where to
change it. I tried remapping the keyboard, but that didn't
affect the numpad. Does anyone know how I can remap my numpad?
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2009 [18:09:46] <n4dir> i don't remember ever having been
asked about the numpad
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2012 [18:15:04] <pi3e> any suggetions for essay writing?
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2018 [18:17:57] <annadane> libreoffice?
2019 [18:18:22] <n4dir> zim?
2020 [18:18:30] <n4dir> vim? :-)
2021 [18:19:04] <nkuttler> pi3e: are you asking for an editor? or
something to do layout?
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2036 [18:28:30] <EdePopede> does a tool exist which shows the last
pressed key?
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2039 [18:29:41] <indomitable> yes, it's called a keylogger
2040 [18:29:42] <indomitable> :)
2041 [18:29:46] <indomitable> I have some you can install if
you'd like
2042 [18:29:47] <indomitable> ;)
2043 [18:30:05] <EdePopede> loggers log, they don't show
2044 [18:30:53] <jhutchins> One would think it would display on
the screen in most cases.
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2046 [18:31:23] <indomitable> EdePopede, if you install my
keylogger I can get you a front-end to display the last pressed
button
2047 [18:31:36] <indomitable> providing you allow it to go through
your firewall
2048 [18:31:36] <indomitable> :P
2049 [18:31:52] <annadane> "shows the last pressed key"
in its most ambiguous form is indded a keylogger, but there's
also xev which shows information on keypresses
2050 [18:31:58] <annadane> indeed*
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2052 [18:32:55] <EdePopede> i don't want to hack something i
just need to see keys i press just like they appear in a text editor
2053 [18:33:40] <EdePopede> and xev reads only its own input
anyway
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2055 [18:33:49] <jhutchins> EdePopede: What are you running when
you press the keys?
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2059 [18:34:46] <EdePopede> linux. gnu. x. xfce. whatever program.
vi doesn't show keys in command sequences, dialogs don't
show you what you press.
2060 [18:35:12] <EdePopede> i don't want to be forced to look
every few seconds to the keyboard and back
2061 [18:35:15] <indomitable> EdePopede, why can't you just
... press the buttons
2062 [18:35:23] <EdePopede> got no interest in being blind in a
few years
2063 [18:35:24] <indomitable> why would you need to look at the
keyboard?
2064 [18:35:36] <indomitable> You know where all the keys are
2065 [18:35:38] <EdePopede> coz me is no secretary?
2066 [18:35:38] <indomitable> you hit them
2067 [18:35:39] <EdePopede> do i?
2068 [18:35:43] <indomitable> you should?
2069 [18:35:44] <indomitable> if you're on IRC
2070 [18:35:45] <indomitable> you definitely should
2071 [18:35:46] <EdePopede> lol
2072 [18:35:55] <indomitable> I can write things like this
blindfolded.
2073 [18:36:03] <EdePopede> irc has an input line here which is
ended by enter
2074 [18:36:04] <indomitable> (and I literally wrote this, and
that, blindfolded)
2075 [18:36:17] <EdePopede> "i can" really is the top
argument
2076 [18:36:18] <Sensiva> queip the CVE has been patched in
stretch and uploaded to the mirrors
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2078 [18:36:39] <krion> one vs one typespeed, right now
2079 [18:36:44] <annadane> so your question is "is there a
free software keyboard display tool with buttons pressed"
2080 [18:36:46] <jhutchins> EdePopede: There is no universal input
handler. Different programs use different methods.
2081 [18:36:48] <krion> english word, unix commands
2082 [18:36:52] <annadane> which is clearer than your initial
question
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2086 [18:37:42] <EdePopede> the tool doesn't need buttons
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2089 [18:38:36] <EdePopede> IBus seems to interfere with
everything keyboard here, so it must have some kind of low level
access
2090 [18:38:45] <Sensiva> DrBunsen how did you do "keyboard
remapping" ?
2091 [18:39:09] <EdePopede> gives me a different layout variant
than i had without (after it crashed)
2092 [18:39:21] <jhutchins> EdePopede: Oooh, oooh, I know!
2093 [18:39:31] <jhutchins> EdePopede: What you need is called a
"monitor".
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2096 [18:39:59] <EdePopede> i have one or i'd send just
gibberish or what it's called ;)
2097 [18:40:07] <EdePopede> but yes, sounds good
2098 [18:41:17] <EdePopede> had borland's ide at some point
in the 90s, one alternative was wordpress usage. like block marking
with ^K-B ^K K, the 1st keypress was displayed in the corner until
you finished the sequence. nice idea.
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2102 [18:42:24] <EdePopede> usually i end up using tab and cursor
keys in dialogs since i have no idea what i just did press
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2106 [18:44:13] <jhutchins> I'm pretty sure there's at
least one type training program in most distributions.
2107 [18:44:27] <jhutchins> I look at the keyboard a lot.
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2111 [18:45:40] <jhutchins> I guess one method is to hit enter and
see what happens.
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2114 [18:46:44] <EdePopede> i tried some of them in the past, but
they don't help me with daily typing. i couldn't do
anything useful on the computer if i'd try to do it correct. 10
fingers, baseline, all of this
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2116 [18:47:12] <EdePopede> my error rate then is even bigger than
with my four and a half finger method
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2118 [18:48:46] <EdePopede> maybe looking down would work with a
non-active monitor (e-paper!) and lighting following some creepy DIN
standard for offices
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2121 [18:49:35] <n4dir> you need to learn it for 2 weeks, then
don't go back, even if you are slower than before for 2 months,
then you are settled.
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2123 [18:50:35] <EdePopede> but looking to the keyboard means
halfing the distance and looking into the dark at the same time. and
back just seconds later. and that's not really healthy on the
long run.
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2125 [18:51:23] <n4dir> after those two months you won't have
to look at the keyboard anymore. That is the whole point of *really*
learning it
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2127 [18:51:46] <EdePopede> n4dir: i did. more than once. and i
don't get faster or produce less errors.
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2130 [18:54:10] <n4dir> your choice. i think it is worth the
"trouble".
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2132 [18:55:06] <rsully> Where does "ip link" store its
configuration? I have a bridge defined in /etc/network/interfaces
but it isn't loaded on boot.
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2140 [19:00:19] <fastbyte22> /msg Pachinko REGISTER @Pachinko269
prajyotchemburkar@gmail.com
2141 [19:00:33] <fastbyte22> great
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2144 [19:01:35] <EdePopede> huh? nickserv in secret mission?
2145 [19:02:02] <fastbyte22> idk what im doing.... new to linux
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2148 [19:02:40] <n4dir> i think the space in front of /msg is the
problem.
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2151 [19:03:32] <annadane> use /msg nickserv, and, yeah, no space
before /
2152 [19:03:41] <annadane> and, change your password, but you knew
that
2153 [19:03:50] <rsully> all I see is *******
2154 [19:04:03] <fastbyte22> ya aldredy did change it
2155 [19:04:42] <fastbyte22> first day on hexchat and i giveaway
my password nice
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2157 [19:05:30] <rsully> it wasn't a strong password
2158 [19:05:51] <rsully> take this as an opportunity to do better
:)
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2160 [19:05:59] <fastbyte22> i know.... its my secondary mail
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2162 [19:06:16] <rsully> I hope you're not implying you use
the same password for IRC and email :p
2163 [19:06:22] <fastbyte22> nope
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2167 [19:10:52] <fastbyte22> please dont f*** my mails please....
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2169 [19:11:09] <EdePopede> fastbyte22: better never type such
things into the channel window
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2171 [19:11:33] <EdePopede> and use /ns, then you don't risk
to send your password to niclserv
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2173 [19:12:13] <fastbyte22> okay my bad sorry
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2175 [19:12:18] <EdePopede> happens :)
2176 [19:12:24] <fastbyte22> :)
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2194 [19:32:12] <Truxx> This is strange... recently my speakers
stoped working after some 2-3 minutes after reboot. After
investigating I put "options snd-hda-intel power_save=1"
in alsa-base.conf. Now it stops after an hour.
2195 [19:32:27] <Truxx> Didn't have any sound issues on the
old thinkpad for years
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2241 [20:06:07] <kingsley> How do you tell which merged bug report
to report news to?
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2246 [20:07:46] <pi3e> are there any email service which offers
anonymous sign up?
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2249 [20:08:50] <kingsley> For example: bugs #914844 and #911868
were merged. Which should I send news to?
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2251 [20:09:36] <kingsley> pi3e: Yes. Humble suggestion. If you
haven't done so already, research it with a search engine. (And
be nice.)
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2264 [20:16:03] <broseph> So I'm trying to get php files to
load in apache, but they come up as plaintext. I tried a2enmod
php7.3 but it says the module is already loaded. I'm not sure
what to do next.
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2273 [20:18:58] <bla> Have you restarted the apache after
installing modphp?
2274 [20:19:05] <broseph> yep
2275 [20:19:21] <bla> In general you need module, and a binding,
that *.php files should be interpreted by it.
2276 [20:19:36] <bla> And this is either done by the module config
files by default or you vhost needs some additional entry
2277 [20:19:40] <broseph> I have the module, it's installed.
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2279 [20:20:09] <broseph> Module php7.3 already enabled
2280 [20:20:22] <broseph> That's the output for a2enmod
php7.3
2281 [20:20:36] <bla> I'm checking something in my setup...
2282 [20:21:03] <bla> php7.3.conf in mods-enabled should enable
the binding.
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2289 [20:22:19] <bla> Well. No direct idea. Check the logs and
recheck the configs - what does the apache log when the .php file is
opened.
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2291 [20:22:56] <bla> And what entries are placed in
/etc/apache2/mods-enabled. This files should be loaded by
apache2.conf
2292 [20:23:05] <bla> If you've messed something up, they
might not be.
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2295 [20:23:26] <bla> Make sure there's no additional weird
stuff in .htaccess or vhost definition which can disable the PHP
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2297 [20:24:10] <bla> Also... I dislike modphp and use it only in
containerized environments - one apache, one site. I usually used
fastcgi recently
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2304 [20:25:15] <phogg> fastcgi is a better option if you possibly
can use it
2305 [20:25:29] <broseph> for php?
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2309 [20:27:10] <broseph> I think I found the problem.
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2311 [20:27:20] <broseph> Running PHP scripts in user directories
is disabled by default.
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2314 [20:28:24] <broseph> yep.
2315 [20:28:35] <broseph> Thanks for your help :D
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2319 [20:29:53] <demo_> hey everyone
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2322 [20:31:40] <demo__> #manor
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2335 [20:37:57] <kingsley> aptitude 1.) complained that a
pre-removal script for version 2.1-5 of the python-happydoc package
fails, and 2.) refused to upgrade apt-listchanges.
2336 [20:38:15] <kingsley> Should I check if a python package
needs to be upgraded?
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2345 [20:47:25] <BCMM> do you not regularly check for outdated
packages in general?
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2353 [21:00:02] <rsully> Where does "ip link" store its
configuration? I have a bridge defined in /etc/network/interfaces
but it isn't loaded on boot.
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2356 [21:01:42] <rant> rsully: do you have auto br0 in there?
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2358 [21:02:02] <rsully> rant I do
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2360 [21:02:21] <rant> did you install bridge-utils?
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2363 [21:02:55] <rsully> No I didn't thats where my confusion
is I think. I thought `ip` was part of iproute2 which can handle
bridges, I thought bridge-utils was unnecessary (or perhaps even
outdated)
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2367 [21:03:24] <rant> ,i bridge-utils
2368 [21:03:26] <judd> Package bridge-utils (net, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Utilities for configuring the Linux Ethernet bridge.
Version: 1.5-13+deb9u1; Size: 33.4k; Installed: 99k
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2370 [21:04:04] <rsully> Yeah but without bridge-utils it looks
like you can configure bridges still e.g. `ip link add name
bridge_name type bridge`
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2372 [21:04:52] <rant> I have no idea I haven't made a bridge
in ages and not a fan of the ip tool, haven't really learned it
2373 [21:06:02] <rsully> ok np maybe someone else can chime in at
some point
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2379 [21:16:10] <intx> has anyone here used shorewall with ifb(s)?
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2390 [21:22:00] <bla> Can someone share experiences on using a
non-default Debian Linux kernel? I'm mostly on default amd64
(buster+stretch). I was searching for some hardened image for
KVM-only server but instead found RT and trunk.
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2446 [22:17:05] <flobi> hi 2 all, i have problems with updating a
jessie installation. Is there a needed change in the source.list?
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2449 [22:19:50] <flobi> it seems to be the line: deb
replaced-url
2450 [22:20:13] <bla> it might've been moved to archive
servers maybe...
2451 [22:20:52] <bla> nah; it's there
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2453 [22:21:36] <flobi> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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2455 [22:22:58] <flobi> the jessie-updates does no longer exist as
it seems
2456 [22:23:25] <bla> you probably have to just use the basic one.
2457 [22:23:38] <bla> And probably migrate to stretch if you care.
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2459 [22:25:25] <flobi> the dist upgrade make sense
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2461 [22:26:15] <flobi> i hope i do not get into trouble with the
docker.
2462 [22:26:25] <aloo_shu> !jessie
2463 [22:26:26] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current
<oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25.
Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around
2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in
Toy Story 2. See
replaced-url
2464 [22:27:32] <flobi> aloo_shu, thx
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2466 [22:27:58] <flobi> !jessie->stretch
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2468 [22:29:08] <aloo_shu> flobi: find out what repo lines you
need to use now for jessie if you first want to upgrade pkgs in
jessie
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2471 [22:30:25] <flobi> aloo_shu, the only headeach i think gives
me: deb
replaced-url
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2474 [22:31:42] <aloo_shu> here is where they are apparantly
replaced-url
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2477 [22:33:19] <aloo_shu> never used docker, got to check *their*
notes on how they're following debian's changes (or not),
flobi
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2480 [22:35:33] <flobi> aloo_shu, ok well im not sure if i have to
change the entry at the same time from jessie to stretch or not
2481 [22:35:48] <aloo_shu> so altered repo lines ought to look
like deb
replaced-url
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2485 [22:37:10] <autistic> ALL SODOMITES GO TO HELL
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2493 [22:42:07] <aloo_shu> flobi: the way I'm reading this
replaced-url
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2499 [22:44:53] <flobi> aloo_shu, ok thx i will follow a guide on
the net. i have to first backup all the dbs
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2535 [23:05:09] <GoldmanSachsJews> we want money
2536 [23:05:14] <GoldmanSachsJews> give us the money
2537 [23:05:25] <bla> Lots of redhat fans recently.
2538 [23:05:42] <GoldmanSachsJews> we are the goldman sachs
2539 [23:05:52] <GoldmanSachsJews> all the money belongs to us
2540 [23:06:09] <GoldmanSachsJews> i represent ben bernanke of the
goldman sachs
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2542 [23:06:19] <GoldmanSachsJews> we own the federal reserve and
will print a ton of money
2543 [23:06:26] <GoldmanSachsJews> to give to the goldman sachs
2544 [23:06:32] <GoldmanSachsJews> does this make sense?
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2551 [23:09:18] <OerHeks> no, who is 'we'??
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2557 [23:10:58] <EdePopede> there's only one "Whe"
and that's H.R.M. the Queen of England etc. etc.
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2585 [23:27:20] <wald0> im testing buster and im wondering, why my
network is called now "enp0s8" (or other names, it changes
per boot too?), instead of the common ETH0 that i always used?
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2590 [23:29:11] <indomitable> wald0, lol.
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2597 [23:30:35] <indomitable> wald0, presumably you did something
;)
2598 [23:30:40] <indomitable> like change it to promiscuous mode
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2600 [23:31:57] <bla> nah
2601 [23:32:10] <bla> it's probably connected to udev/new
kernel and is a move in more/less good direction.
2602 [23:32:29] <indomitable> why?
2603 [23:32:29] <bla> Interfaces are not numbered by a sheer
random chance (of devices detected, connected to the system)
2604 [23:32:36] <jmcnaught> wald0: it's a change that was new
in stretch for fresh installs:
replaced-url
2605 [23:32:39] <bla> but get a more persistent name depending on
their type
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2607 [23:32:57] <indomitable> this is like arch's interface
setup
2608 [23:33:00] <indomitable> isn't it
2609 [23:33:01] <indomitable> I hated it
2610 [23:33:14] <bla> You can still rename the interface however
you like that.
2611 [23:33:17] <bla> I got used to it.
2612 [23:33:26] <indomitable> you can get used to a lot of things,
even losing a limb or two
2613 [23:33:29] <indomitable> doesn't mean you have to like
it
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2615 [23:33:59] <bla> You don't have to. But you can
objectively understand it's cons and pros.
2616 [23:34:36] <indomitable> cons: this is confusing nonsense,
pros: none :P
2617 [23:35:08] <indomitable> "eth0" takes a lot less
precision to type than whatever the new scheme is
2618 [23:35:14] <indomitable> I remember because I've had to
type it a lot in arch
2619 [23:35:22] <indomitable> the horror
2620 [23:35:26] <annadane> FWIW the channel for testing/unstable
is #debian-next on the OFTC network
2621 [23:35:29] <bla> in my systems there's eno1, eno2 for
built-in interfaces on the network card, and
ensCARDNUMBERfPORTNUMBER for 16 other ports
2622 [23:35:33] <bla> having eth20 would be horrible.
2623 [23:35:55] <indomitable> why
2624 [23:35:57] <indomitable> it would be easy to write
2625 [23:36:18] <bla> I got zsh with "tab" key which
completes those.
2626 [23:36:30] <bla> annadane: this is also present in stretch
trully
2627 [23:37:03] <indomitable> does that work without plugins and
config
2628 [23:37:16] <indomitable> bla -- not in stretch on rpi
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2630 [23:37:49] <bla> Either - get used to it - or add udev rule
to rename the interface to eth0.
2631 [23:38:12] <bla> Or, if you're typing the interface name
a lot - maybe you're doing something weird and unusual. ;-)
2632 [23:38:20] <indomitable> interesting... I just found two
"veth"s I didn't know I had
2633 [23:38:22] <indomitable> the hell?
2634 [23:38:25] <indomitable> Where did they even come from?
2635 [23:38:35] <indomitable> and they do seem to use some new
naming scheme
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2638 [23:38:54] <indomitable> bla, I was pentesting my local
network
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2640 [23:39:02] <wald0> well, i should get used of it... i assume
lol, but it was like "wtf why?"
2641 [23:39:16] <indomitable> also wtf are up with my veths...
what.
2642 [23:39:23] <indomitable> Why are they there? o_o
2643 [23:39:46] <indomitable> inet 169 ... wtf?
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2647 [23:40:21] <wald0> just like getting used of systemd...
(reading how it works / to use it atm)
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2653 [23:41:20] <indomitable> maybe it's docker
2654 [23:41:26] <indomitable> peculiar stuff
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2666 [23:46:14] <bla> Heh. If you use docker then certainly those
are used by docker.
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2671 [23:48:52] <wald0> "systemd uses .mount units to manage
mountpoints..."
2672 [23:49:12] <wald0> this means that fstab is obsolete?
compatible? should I move my entries to systemd?
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2674 [23:50:32] <jmcnaught> wald0: systemd.mount(5) says that
/etc/fstab is still the preferred approach
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2676 [23:51:06] <indomitable> wald0, wat?
2677 [23:51:08] <indomitable> fstab is fstab
2678 [23:51:12] <indomitable> no one messes with fstab
2679 [23:51:21] <wald0> preferred? mmh, sounds good
2680 [23:51:36] <wald0> indomitable: well, seems like systemd
wants to be the replacement of everything o_o
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2683 [23:51:47] <wald0> i wonder if i will need to use sdsh
instead of zsh in the future
2684 [23:52:04] <wald0> (systemdsh, joking)
2685 [23:52:17] <EdePopede> pssht!
2686 [23:52:26] <wald0> ok dont give ideas...
2687 [23:52:57] <indomitable> wald0, you idiot. now we'll all
have to sdsh.
2688 [23:52:58] <indomitable> :
2689 [23:52:58] <indomitable> |
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2691 [23:53:07] * wald0 hides
2692 [23:53:13] <indomitable> I'm sure the syntax will be PHP
or something
2693 [23:53:15] <indomitable> just to fuck with us
2694 [23:53:46] <wald0> lol
2695 [23:53:53] <bingbotboom> there's wald0
2696 [23:53:55] <wald0> yeah.. what an invention php
2697 [23:54:04] <EdePopede> or to rename a file you'd have to
do $filename.rename('new name')
2698 [23:54:16] <flobi> no syntax will be xml
2699 [23:54:35] <flobi> XD
2700 [23:54:37] <bingbotboom> php bot..
2701 [23:54:46] <wald0> xml++, compilable and executable xml
language
2702 [23:54:53] <JPT> <?php print(grep("\.txt$",
ls("/opt/stuff", "alt")));
2703 [23:55:08] <EdePopede> and non-ascii will have to be escaped
like vlc does it in its config (no, don't look, it is horrible)
2704 [23:55:19] <JPT> A php-based shell sounds like fun :D
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2706 [23:55:57] <wald0> JPT: looking at your script php example..
i will surely quit the digital world lol
2707 [23:56:02] <indomitable> JPT, don't do it
2708 [23:56:03] <indomitable> lol
2709 [23:56:08] <indomitable> don't make phsh
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2711 [23:56:17] <indomitable> it would be pronounced
"pshhhhhhhh"
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2713 [23:56:43] <JPT> Don't worry, nobody would go for php.
They would use javascript. Wasn't that obvious already? :)
2714 [23:56:47] <EdePopede> yash (yet another shell)
2715 [23:56:51] <bingbotboom> wald0 pay
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2719 [23:57:13] <bionade24> JPT: A shell for systemd based on
node,js
2720 [23:57:34] <bingbotboom> js is bloated
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2722 [23:58:05] <bionade24> bingbotboom: Of course, systemd is
bloat, too
2723 [23:58:08] <EdePopede> "ShellJS is a portable
(Windows/Linux/OS X) implementation of Unix shell commands on top of
the Node.js API."
2724 [23:58:20] <bionade24> :D
2725 [23:58:36] <flobi> well someone wanted to sell me java (not
script) as a good language for a new program :s
2726 [23:58:43] <JPT> shell.ls("/opt/stuff",
"alt").onReturn(function(exit_code, stdout, stderr){ /*
ummm... now what? */});
2727 [23:59:01] <EdePopede> and forget HURD, we finally need a
node.js based kernel
2728 [23:59:26] <bla> in HURD you at least could do driver
programming in JS
2729 [23:59:27] <bingbotboom> why
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