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• 12[00:11:20] <Timvde> To be sure, also purged anything sendmail-* and did apt install --reinstall postfix, followed by a restart of the postfix service. Nothing changed :(
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• 20[00:15:07] <Timvde> Aha, looks like postfix is correctly running now, but I messed up something else in the process. I see messages in mail.log now. I should be able to handle it for now. Thanks for rubber ducking!
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• 26[00:17:17] <Timvde> Status update: fixed :)
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• 69[00:42:56] <agio> hi does anyone know why my network manager would throw a "Read Only filesystem error " when trying to edit a connection?
• 70[00:43:17] <agio> specifically the nmtui?
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• 84[00:50:54] <petn-randall> agio: Well, is your filesystem read-only?
• 85[00:51:26] <agio> no
• 86[00:51:38] <agio> rw - normal file system
• 87[00:51:49] <agio> ext4
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• 89[00:52:37] <agio> im guessing its some kind of debian or systemd security mechanism?
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• 94[00:55:36] <awal1> pts should show pkgs available in old/ololdstable
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• 97[00:55:42] <awal1> "should"
• 98[00:56:51] <aloo_shu> could always use lsof | grep <process name> to find out what exactly nm is trying to access, and where, agio
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• 101[01:00:20] <agio> aloo_shu: good idea :) so would I use `lsof | grep "NetworkManager"' for the process im trying to inspect?
• 102[01:00:48] <agio> also, I think the process is really short lived
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• 109[01:03:47] <aloo_shu> agio probably, I don't know if the edit connection dialog has a separate command, that you could doublecheck with top in forest view mode, but while the failing write may be short, the offending file is probably open for read as long as the edit window is
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• 113[01:04:21] <agio> aloo_shu: ah gotcha :)
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• 115[01:05:01] <agio> so I think the command should be then:?
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• 121[01:06:27] <agio> lsof /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/MyAP ?
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• 123[01:06:45] <aloo_shu> sometimes, agio, you can also get read only filesystem symptoms if the mountpoint is ro for that user
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• 125[01:07:05] <buu> So, I have one of those toys that shows me the load average every 3seconds or whatever, and it's nice, but every once in a while I look at it and it's at say, 1.6 on a box doing nothing but like irc
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• 127[01:07:16] <buu> When I load htop nothing is using cpu beyond like, 2%
• 128[01:07:33] <buu> Does this actually matter? No. Is it driving me nuts? Yes.
• 129[01:07:38] <aloo_shu> agio: oh, do you already *know* where the file is?
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• 131[01:07:45] <petn-randall> lsof will only show the snapshot of what files are opened at that point in time, it's not good to check for access errors.
• 132[01:07:46] <buu> I need ideas on how to track this down
• 133[01:07:54] <petn-randall> I'd use strace for that, instead.
• 134[01:08:17] <aloo_shu> I hand you over :)
• 135[01:08:18] <agio> aloo_shu: oh, would the "mount" command -run as my regular user - reveal if it was read-only to me?
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• 139[01:09:30] <petn-randall> agio: yes
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• 142[01:09:52] <petn-randall> agio: Well, if the filesystem is mounted r/o, that is. Other premission errors it won't show.
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• 145[01:10:47] <agio> but we are talking about the / filesystem here - I must have rw - agaisnt the entire FS, right?
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• 147[01:11:25] <agio> its just the /etc/network-manager/system-connections/* - where I have no access
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• 167[01:32:44] <petn-randall> agio: That's expected. What release is this?
• 168[01:34:01] <agio> which debian you mean? stretch (9.5)
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• 171[01:34:34] <petn-randall> I see. Unfortunately I have to go to sleep, but maybe someone else here can continue helping.
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• 173[01:34:53] <petn-randall> If not; ask again tomorrow during office hours in EU/US, that's when this channel is the busiest.
• 174[01:35:04] * petn-randall waves.
• 175[01:35:14] <annadane> or debian-user@lists.debian.org
• 176[01:35:32] <agio> petn-randall: thanks o/
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• 179[01:37:08] <annadane> (i didn't see the question. but if randall doesn't know i probably don't either)
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• 181[01:39:04] <agio> annadane: question was: why network manager (nmtui specifically) would throw a "Read Only filesystem error " when trying to edit a connection?
• 182[01:39:23] <annadane> yeah, no clue
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• 184[01:41:05] <zuwuko2> I deleted contents of /usr/src
• 185[01:41:21] <zuwuko2> and now I get: You do not appear to have the sources for the 4.9.0-8-amd64 kernel installed.
• 186[01:41:35] <zuwuko2> when trying to "make" to compile asterisk
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• 188[01:41:52] <zuwuko2> what must I do to resolve this?
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• 196[01:53:45] <annadane> er... apt-get source linux-image-amd64 maybe?
• 197[01:55:23] <awal1> why not able to disable access control via urxvt?
• 198[01:55:37] <awal1> (xhost + / -)
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• 201[01:58:48] <zuwuko2> I tried that. didnt work, I just reinstalled..
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• 261[02:35:50] <sleepingforest> i am very confused about systemd units. Say I want to change the "-H" parameter for dockerd. When i control docker via systemctl / service, it does not read /etc/default/docker. But there is a file /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/docker.service with ExecStart=/usr/bin/dockerd -H fd://. How would i override this? I dont understand systemd
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• 279[02:52:37] <karlpinc> sleepingforest: /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/docker.s\
• 280[02:52:37] <karlpinc> ervice is not a debian-supplied file. It is a user-level configuration file so you're free to change it.
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• 301[03:07:31] <agio> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/docker.service is not a file - its a symlink which indicates that docker.service should be considered "want'ed" be multi-user target
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• 325[03:31:32] <karlpinc> agio: *sigh* All right then, he'd need a "drop-in" file in /etc/systemd/system/docker.service.d/ called docker.service (I think). Anything in there takes precidence. See man 5 systemd.unit and look for "drop-in".
• 326[03:34:34] <agio> I believe the arrangement they had would have worked. I just wanted to point out the conceptual purpose of the symlink - its existence merely determines whether or no the service is started at boot (or multi-user run target)
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• 358[04:09:30] <ryouma> earlier, apt-get wanted to make huge numbers of changes to jessie. i declined. i ran again a while later, and it wanted to make zero.
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• 361[04:09:52] <ryouma> apt-get update was normal in both cases
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• 363[04:10:09] <ryouma> did i hit some kind of race condition?
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• 375[04:36:38] <tmg1|wicksell> According to #718404 lintian is not supposed to generate statically-linked-binary for golang packages...yet it does for my go package. Is that a bug in lintian or am I doing something wrong?
• 376[04:36:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 377[04:36:55] <Guest61122> Hi. I've both python2 and python3 installed on my debian stretch vps. I wanna set up letsencrypt, which needs python-certbot package. Now, given I have both Python2 and Python3 installed, and python3 is the main one, should I go with python3-certbot instead?
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• 381[04:42:31] <pity> Hi, guys, is there a channel which is related Debian packaging? Or should I ask here?
• 382[04:45:49] <tmg1|wicksell> pity: might as well ask here, if there is someone will tell you where to go
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• 386[04:53:44] <sleepingforest> agio, do you know of a good read on systemd? i've never properly covered it and i think its time i fill in my gaps
• 387[04:54:33] <agio> sleepingforest: have you considered the man pages?
• 388[04:55:13] <pity> I'm wondering how to add bash-completion support to a package, I followed the doc here replaced-url
• 389[04:55:29] <pity> tmg1|wicksell: thanks
• 390[04:56:11] <sleepingforest> agio, i assumed systemd was too big of a concept for a man page, but sure ill read it
• 391[04:56:50] <agio> oh, you think systemd has _a_ man page?
• 392[04:56:59] <sleepingforest> many probably
• 393[04:57:33] <sleepingforest> also i think of man pages as how to use that program and not a higher level overview of how it works.
• 394[04:57:40] <sleepingforest> maybe im wrong here
• 395[04:58:16] <sleepingforest> man systemd... Display all 143 possibilities?
• 396[04:58:18] <sleepingforest> lol
• 397[04:58:19] <agio> usually the intro does give a brief high level overview
• 398[04:58:51] <agio> prob is finding the right man page
• 399[04:59:58] <sleepingforest> ill just google for an article
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• 401[05:03:22] <pity> I have add Build-Depends:bash-completion to debian/control, and I have the completion scripts installed, but without debian/package.bash-completion file. Now after I installed the pacakge, the completion did not work, but it would work if I manually execute `source /etc/bash_completion`. So I wonder if the reason is the missing of debian/package.bash-completion file.
• 402[05:04:05] <agio> sleepingforest: good luck. L poettering did some youtube presentations too
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• 416[05:12:35] <sleepingforest> thanks, i know going down that rabbit hole will inevitably have me trying to find a side in the init wars
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• 426[05:23:50] <karlpinc> sleepingforest: You could just read the above referenced relevant section of the man page I pointed you to.
• 427[05:24:25] <karlpinc> sleepingforest: They are reference material. You're only supposed to have to read pieces. (Although yes, systemd. *sigh*)
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• 429[05:25:02] <sleepingforest> karlpinc, true, i dont have to torture myself
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• 433[05:28:08] <agio> the other recommendation is to read all the man pages, beginning to end, multiple times, then once backwards, then open the table of contents and jump to selected sections - like karlpinc said
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• 454[05:54:14] <ryouma> i contend that the bash man page, at least not the info version, is almost not useful for reference either
• 455[05:54:31] <ryouma> oops, i mean at least the man version. the info version might be better.
• 456[05:54:41] <ryouma> (even if only because hypertext)
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• 521[06:59:48] <trysten> where do i find the canonical packages to make a system bootable without using the installer?
• 522[07:00:01] <trysten> i'm wanting to install debian to disk with deboostrap
• 523[07:01:17] <PaddyF> !grub-pc
• 524[07:01:17] <dpkg> GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. replaced-url
• 525[07:01:44] <PaddyF> !grub-config
• 526[07:01:48] <trysten> So, just do it. Gotcha. I know how to use grub
• 527[07:02:04] <trysten> Just wondering if there was.. i dunno.. other stuff to "set up"
• 528[07:02:04] <PaddyF> good luck then
• 529[07:02:26] <PaddyF> yeah, when you bootstrap dont forget to install the kernel package
• 530[07:02:36] <trysten> Sure, sure. that's really it though
• 531[07:02:45] <trysten> Huh. Thanks :)
• 532[07:02:53] <PaddyF> :)
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• 568[07:43:15] <trysten> Ok.. I'm having trouble with grub
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• 570[07:43:43] <PaddyF> can you describe the trouble?
• 571[07:43:50] <trysten> I've bind mounted /dev /proc and /sys and i'm chrooted into my system. grub-probe says: grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `udev'.
• 572[07:44:25] <trysten> Well I didn't have a device map at first. That wasn't the issue I guess
• 573[07:44:49] <PaddyF> how did you mount proc, dev and sys?
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• 575[07:45:18] <trysten> mount -o /sys /mnt/system/sys
• 576[07:45:27] <trysten> sorry, forgot bind
• 577[07:45:31] <PaddyF> yes
• 578[07:45:49] <trysten> Well I just forgot it here. They are bound correctly
• 579[07:46:36] <trysten> Ooooo
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• 581[07:46:58] <trysten> inside the chroot it knows /dev/md1 is the root and grub... no that's not it. grub-probe should still work
• 582[07:47:46] <trysten> I'll post the output of mount from the chroot in #flood
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• 584[07:48:31] <PaddyF> okay
• 585[07:49:08] <trysten> I wondered where it was even getting the idea of "/dev/md1" unless it was deriving it from looking at the disk
• 586[07:49:18] <PaddyF> but md1 means you work with arrays, right?
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• 588[07:49:56] <trysten> Yes. the chroot is mounted on an array
• 589[07:50:12] <PaddyF> thats unknown ground for me
• 590[07:50:29] <trysten> Thanks for checking :)
• 591[07:50:33] <PaddyF> maybe the chroot requires something to be able to handle the array
• 592[07:51:06] * trysten wonders how the heck he did this before
• 593[07:51:30] <trysten> i've got two slightly different disks and I did this last year on the wrong disk
• 594[07:51:38] <PaddyF> just an idea: see what package holds the md* tools and install that in the chroot
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• 596[07:51:45] <trysten> Genius!
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• 598[07:53:29] <trysten> New errors!
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• 602[07:54:46] <PaddyF> :D
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• 676[08:39:06] <zenix_2k2> guys does Debian provide disk encryption feature in the installation ?
• 677[08:39:14] <zenix_2k2> i am quite sure i didn't see it
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• 679[08:40:17] <Haohmaru> i think that depends on the choice of filesystem
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• 682[08:42:31] <zenix_2k2> so how about ext4 ?
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• 685[08:46:14] <likcoras> zenix_2k2: yes, it offers installing with LUKS encryption.
• 686[08:47:08] <likcoras> During the partitioning step, either choose an option that says "encryption" or set it up manually (make sure to have a separate /boot, etc. as needed.)
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• 689[08:50:08] <zenix_2k2> likcoras: wait and about the encrypting part, will the OS offer me a chance to input my own password and setup my own key or it will automatically do it for me
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• 691[08:51:38] <likcoras> If you choose to set up encryption automatically, it will prompt you for an encryption password for the LUKS partition. You can also choose to set up a random key (for swap or /tmp, for instance).
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• 694[08:52:25] <likcoras> Obviously it also prompts you for a password if you choose to do it manually, btw. Wrote it kind of weird...
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• 697[08:53:32] <zenix_2k2> ok but usually what will they choose ?
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• 699[08:54:08] <likcoras> The user will have to choose their own password. Not sure if I understood your question...
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• 701[08:54:36] <zenix_2k2> i mean you said i could either choose my own password or it will randomly generate one
• 702[08:54:46] <zenix_2k2> so i was wondering which people usually go for
• 703[08:55:24] <likcoras> Oh, the random one is for stuff that is not persistent. It means that the encryption key will be chosen randomly on boot, making the contents of the partition irrecoverable on reboot.
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• 705[08:55:44] <likcoras> Which may be useful for stuff like swap or /tmp, depending on your use case.
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• 707[08:56:54] <likcoras> Not sure if there was an option for choosing a keyfile instead of a passphrase, I can't recall. I'm sure you'll find it somewhere in the Debian user manuals, though.
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• 791[09:50:25] <n4dir> what is the new way to do "dhclient eth0" and "dhclient -r eth0" ? I looked at several pages, but no luck.
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• 794[09:51:23] <PaddyF> click on the right buttons in network manager
• 795[09:51:37] <tarzeau> n4dir: i'd also like to know
• 796[09:51:46] <tarzeau> PaddyF: without gui, but command line, and with network-manager removed?
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• 798[09:51:58] <PaddyF> then i pass
• 799[09:52:36] <n4dir> problem probably is that if you got dhclient in your searchterm, then sure you will find dhclient info ... tons of :-)
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• 801[09:53:02] <n4dir> and "ip" isn't a perfect searchterm either, it seems. :-)
• 802[09:53:17] <PaddyF> yeah
• 803[09:53:24] <Haohmaru> ah, short abbreviations
• 804[09:53:30] <Haohmaru> gotta love em! >:(
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• 807[09:55:54] <SpeedyG> why not dhclient? :)
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• 809[09:56:25] <n4dir> SpeedyG: as far i can tell yet: on the systems which now come with "ip", dhclient isn't intalled at all.
• 810[09:56:28] <Haohmaru> n4cht try searching for "debian9 <what you're trying to do>"
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• 812[09:56:38] <Haohmaru> or "debian stretch <...>"
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• 815[09:57:13] <n4dir> Haohmaru: sure, but the abbrevations really don't make that approach as useful anymore (sometimes it works though)
• 816[09:57:33] <n4dir> So: keyboard strikes you save here, you have to use elsewhere. Oh, the irony ...
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• 819[09:58:53] <SpeedyG> n4dir: what I see on my deb stretch clean install is that, as root, I can run dhclient...
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• 824[09:59:43] <SpeedyG> n4dir: its just that, as with ifconfig, dhclient is also located in /sbin, which is why a normal user doesnt have it in its path :)
• 825[10:00:36] <n4dir> SpeedyG: if it is still used, i am happy to install and keep using it. I though something like: better start getting used to the shiny new way to do things (don't do much more than what i said anyway, if at all)
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• 828[10:01:07] <n4dir> thanks for the info (ups: forgot to say that)
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• 863[10:30:01] <Yubo2008> Hello?
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• 866[10:30:22] <Haohmaru> <silence.flac>
• 867[10:30:32] <Yubo2008> ?
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• 869[10:30:59] <n4dir> silence - a fable ; E.A Poe (seriously: read it ! great stuff). Also "in a silent way" M. Davis comes to mind.
• 870[10:31:36] <Haohmaru> hm, this flac doesn't sound HIFI enough
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• 875[10:33:06] <zenix_2k2> also can someone please suggest me the lightest Debian distro version ? i think i heard about a distro which only took up 295 MB but i forgot the version
• 876[10:33:30] <Haohmaru> debian-based?
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• 880[10:34:41] <zenix_2k2> i think it is not "debian-based", it is completely debian but if you know any distro which is as light as it, well yea i can use it as well
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• 882[10:35:20] <n4dir> zenix_2k2: just use debian itself and when it comes to selecting the tasksel stuff (like ssh, printer, GUI, etc), untick everyting, but you might want to keep [*] standard
• 883[10:35:33] <n4dir> if that ain't small enough, do a debootstrap installation.
• 884[10:35:34] <kts> Am using stable. Cinnamon resets screen brightness after involuntary screen saving. To which component should I file a report? Should the bug be fixed when confirmed?
• 885[10:35:58] <zenix_2k2> no no i mean i am trying to look for a light live system
• 886[10:36:09] <zenix_2k2> i think Debian has that right ?
• 887[10:36:46] <n4dir> zenix_2k2: i think they all are big, as they include also office-suites and such. Else xfce is small (as long you don't install it via tasksel)
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• 891[10:37:34] <n4dir> short: i don't think there are small debian-live-isos
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• 894[10:38:16] <zenix_2k2> oh :(
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• 902[10:39:52] <Haohmaru> i'd guess the live LXDE/xfce4 isos will be small, not 300-ish MB "small" tho
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• 906[10:41:20] <n4dir> Haohmaru: i have to guess too, but live CD's often contain all kind of software you won't ever need (for a pure live). So using a smaller gui doesn't gain that much
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• 909[10:41:48] <n4dir> debian based there is antix, refracta and grml, which all might be small (not that sure about grml)
• 910[10:43:16] <n4dir> zenix_2k2: and there was/is also live-build (?).
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• 916[10:46:03] <zenix_2k2> ok let's me see
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• 918[10:46:56] <n4dir> i am not that up-to-date with such questions. I only said what i know, but there might be (way) more.
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• 921[10:47:34] <rendar> i get this from apt-get upgrade
• 922[10:47:34] <rendar> replaced-url
• 923[10:47:39] <rendar> it seems i can't go on, why?
• 924[10:48:00] <rendar> can't i just tell apt-get to skip wine and continue update other packets?! is that possible that an error of wine package blocks everything else?
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• 927[10:48:49] <n4dir> !hold
• 928[10:48:49] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
• 929[10:49:15] <n4dir> you can skip packages with !hold. I can't say if that helps with your problem, as "javascript is required"
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• 983[11:18:31] <rendar> javascript is required?!
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• 989[11:21:00] <n4dir> for the pastesite you used.
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• 993[11:23:02] <n4dir> !bat
• 994[11:23:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 995[11:23:22] <n4dir> rendar: if you got problems with the package manager, that info is usually needed.
• 996[11:23:40] <rendar> i see
• 997[11:24:14] <rendar> -bash: aptitude: command not found
• 998[11:24:18] <n4dir> if you need a quick fix (or want), hold should work. imho.
• 999[11:24:18] <rendar> is this normal, on debian?
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• 1003[11:24:58] <n4dir> i did some rather minimal installations, and aptitude doesn't seem to ship per default anymore. Just install it with apt-get (or apt)
• 1004[11:25:14] <n4dir> short: as far i can tell, it is normal
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• 1010[11:30:35] <wondiws> how do I enable a serial terminal in Debian? When I google I get to settings in GRUB, but that doesn't seem right, I don't need a console at a early stage, I just want to be able to login
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• 1013[11:32:38] <tarzeau> with inittab it was easily one line: T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 19200 vt100 -- no idea with systemd
• 1014[11:33:14] <wondiws> tarzeau, yes, I remember inittab, but I'm in systemd now ;)
• 1015[11:34:25] <tarzeau> wondiws: replaced-url
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• 1017[11:34:46] <rendar> n4dir: so how can i install aptitude?
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• 1019[11:35:04] <tarzeau> rendar: apt-get install aptitude
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• 1021[11:35:07] <rendar> ok
• 1022[11:35:11] <n4dir> rendar: apt-get install aptitude
• 1023[11:35:17] <PaddyF> yeah :D that brings me back on track of a problem. inittab is gone. how do i disable the control+alt+f5 key binding in mate
• 1024[11:35:30] <n4dir> wondiws: no clue about the subject, look if this helps: replaced-url
• 1025[11:35:31] <rendar> it seems the old on wine works
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• 1028[11:36:08] <rendar> aptitude unhold <package> to leave the hold?
• 1029[11:36:15] <n4dir> !unhold
• 1030[11:36:16] <dpkg> Removing a <hold> status flag can be achieved through «echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections», or «aptitude unhold packagename» if the package is held in aptitude.
• 1031[11:36:24] <rendar> good, thanks
• 1032[11:36:34] <tarzeau> PaddyF: you want to turn of vt switching?
• 1033[11:37:06] <PaddyF> the keybinding for switching to a tty
• 1034[11:37:07] <tarzeau> PaddyF: seems xorg has an option for it: replaced-url
• 1035[11:37:27] <PaddyF> i think i tried this already, let me look
• 1036[11:37:44] <tarzeau> PaddyF: and you'd probably want to get rid of /bin/chvt (which would still allow chvt 5 as root)
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• 1039[11:38:17] <tarzeau> PaddyF: they binding has nothing to do with mate, but the x server
• 1040[11:38:30] <PaddyF> oh i see
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• 1042[11:38:58] <rendar> Errors were encountered while processing:
• 1043[11:38:58] <rendar> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
• 1044[11:39:02] <rendar> /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-7UIE59/093-firmware-linux-free_3.4_all.deb
• 1045[11:39:09] <rendar> what's going on? :(
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• 1048[11:41:06] <tarzeau> rendar: have enough space in /tmp? df -h /tmp tells you
• 1049[11:41:20] <rendar> uhm, wait one sec
• 1050[11:41:34] <rendar> i've done apt-get install -f
• 1051[11:41:39] <rendar> to carry on the install
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• 1126[12:27:44] <Kemopan> Hello! Could anybody help me with bridge? x_x it doesnt forward to vxlan interface, I'm trying to google it but cannot fail so far
• 1127[12:27:49] <Kemopan> replaced-url
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• 1129[12:28:54] <Kemopan> all ports of bridge are in forwarding state, it actually can even forward that traffic, eventually, like I have HUGE RANDOM delay
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• 1132[12:30:17] <Kemopan> but traffic from router .2 and .3 always get forwarded immediately
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• 1160[12:55:47] <jolt> 8
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• 1171[13:10:53] <Aireagail> Hello
• 1172[13:10:58] <Aireagail> Hello, I'm looking to remove GNOME and install LXDE
• 1173[13:11:19] <Aireagail> I have the LXDE package installed but I can't figure out how to switch DEs
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• 1175[13:12:12] <Haohmaru> from the login manager thing
• 1176[13:12:26] <Aireagail> More specific?
• 1177[13:12:37] <Haohmaru> i guess you have "gdm" - the gnome one
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• 1179[13:13:11] <Haohmaru> after textmode, you get to a graphical screen where you have to log in before your desktop is shown
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• 1181[13:13:17] <Haohmaru> right?
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• 1187[13:16:15] <Aireagail> Haohmaru: Yeah, I think so.
• 1188[13:16:29] <Aireagail> I meant to check LXDE instead of GNOME during the installation but I'm a bit dense.
• 1189[13:16:45] <Haohmaru> well, it should have a selector for which DE to launch
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• 1191[13:17:22] <Haohmaru> if it's this one: replaced-url
• 1192[13:17:43] <Haohmaru> then it's probably that icon at the top which looks like a human
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• 1195[13:19:22] <Aireagail> Haohmaru: I clicked on that but I didn't see the option.
• 1196[13:19:54] <Haohmaru> LXDE might be called "lxsession" there
• 1197[13:20:05] <Haohmaru> what options did you see?
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• 1203[13:22:24] <Aireagail> Hang on a sec while I log out and look.
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• 1205[13:24:11] <PaddyF> doh. i see the message and remember to try the provided solution
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• 1210[13:25:15] <Aireagail_> Haohmaru: Okay, I just got accessibility settings but no DE settings
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• 1212[13:27:01] <Haohmaru> huh, then it's either on another icon there, or somehow unobvious, or maybe gdm didn't notice that you got a new DE installed and doesn't even try to list it
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• 1214[13:27:15] <Haohmaru> perhaps, install another login manager and it should work
• 1215[13:27:26] <Haohmaru> like, lxde usually comes with lightdm
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• 1217[13:28:00] <selckin> Aireagail_: google images w/ 'gdm select session'
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• 1219[13:28:18] <Haohmaru> or that ^
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• 1222[13:29:05] <Aireagail_> I tried that button too but it just gives me "default X11 session" and GNOME Classic
• 1223[13:29:11] <Krenair> Hi, please can someone point me in the direction of a Debian FreeNode Group Contact?
• 1224[13:29:34] <Haohmaru> ah, so it smells like gdm isn't aware about the existance of your LXDE
• 1225[13:30:25] <PaddyF> is gdm3 involved or is lightdm what you run?
• 1226[13:30:41] <Haohmaru> he's running gdm (no idea which version)
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• 1228[13:31:40] <Aireagail_> PaddyF: I think I have both.
• 1229[13:31:44] <Haohmaru> i'm 99% certain that you will solve this issue if you install lightdm, or slim, or lxdm, or maybe one of the others
• 1230[13:31:52] <Aireagail_> I hit lightdm in the LXDE installer.
• 1231[13:32:14] <Haohmaru> it asked you to select between lightdm and gdm?
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• 1233[13:33:57] <Haohmaru> lightdm should look like this: replaced-url
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• 1235[13:34:16] <Haohmaru> the DE selection button is on the top-right, the left-most icon
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• 1237[13:35:12] <Aireagail_> Haohmaru: That's what I have on my main rig
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• 1239[13:35:21] <Aireagail_> I definitely have dm3
• 1240[13:35:24] <Aireagail_> gdm3*
• 1241[13:36:00] <Haohmaru> did the lxde installation complete successifully? did you reboot after that?
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• 1253[13:48:23] <Aireagail_> I'll reboot in a second
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• 1370[15:07:26] <wabbits> Hi #debian
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• 1380[15:12:47] <tmg1|wicksell> hi wabbits
• 1381[15:13:31] <wabbits> Hi, I was trying to help a user on #pulseaudio and things are not working out.
• 1382[15:14:05] <wabbits> She made a clean install and pactl cant connect to her pulseaudio daemon
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• 1385[15:14:37] <spacedust> how can i find out what needs openjdk ? i dont know what i installed a while ago, but now i see it i have openjdk but not sure i even need it :)
• 1386[15:14:47] <spacedust> so i want to remove it but first see what needs it
• 1387[15:15:04] <greycat> aptitude why openjdk-8-jre
• 1388[15:15:39] <greycat> Or, you could do apt-get remove openjdk-8-jre and then say "no" after it tells you what it would have to remove.
• 1389[15:16:11] <yann-kaelig> hello. I have a fresh debian from netinstall installation inside a VM (virtualbox) ip addr are well configured, nameserver too, but I can't ping or even download a software. Tested on another distro in VM, works
• 1390[15:16:16] <spacedust> oh now i see what needs its, thanks alot
• 1391[15:16:23] <yann-kaelig> any idea what the problem ?
• 1392[15:16:54] <wabbits> the daemon is running
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• 1394[15:17:08] <wabbits> this should "just work"tm
• 1395[15:17:24] <wabbits> back in 15
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• 1420[15:36:24] <yann-kaelig> very low OS for server purpose. Will try to find something else for this purpose, thx
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• 1447[15:49:16] <guest-12345678> i have added "[[ -f ~/.Xresources ]] && xrdb -merge -I$HOME ~/.Xresources" to my .xinitrc but when i boot up xterm / xresources are not loaded?
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• 1470[16:03:17] <juhop> not sure if this helps, but IMO xinitrc is a bin/sh script, i.e. [[ is not valid syntax
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• 1472[16:04:40] <juhop> :/
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• 1532[16:59:35] <ocx32> hi, to backup my VM , all i have to do is copy the vmx and vmdk files to remote location while vn is running? i dont care if i lose the state of the machine
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• 1536[17:01:06] <Andrew_0010bit> ocx32, I shut mine down to do it.
• 1537[17:01:09] <Andrew_0010bit> Just a preference.
• 1538[17:01:20] <ocx32> cant shutdown
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• 1540[17:03:30] <Andrew_0010bit> I'm pretty sure you can't copy it without shutting it down.
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• 1542[17:03:49] <Andrew_0010bit> Unless you use something like VMware Essentials Plus.
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• 1544[17:04:05] <Andrew_0010bit> Veeam is an option, but requires a paid VMware subscription.
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• 1551[17:09:14] <petn-randall> ocx32: You won't have a persistent copy of the VM if you don't work on snapshots.
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• 1568[17:16:58] <SerajewelKS> ocx32: you can copy it while it is running but it's the same thing as imaging a disk partition while the filesystem is in use. the copy will likely have filesystem damage due to different sections having been copied at different points in time.
• 1569[17:17:18] <ocx32> so i have to shutdown Se
• 1570[17:17:20] <ocx32> SerajewelKS,
• 1571[17:17:25] <ocx32> and take a snapshot
• 1572[17:17:42] <SerajewelKS> ocx32: if the filesystem that the virtual disk files are on is inside of something like LVM or btrfs, you can make an LVM/btrfs snapshot of that volume, which is guaranteed to be point-in-time
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• 1574[17:18:02] <SerajewelKS> so it would be like the power plug got pulled while the VM was running, from the perspective of the copy
• 1575[17:18:29] <ocx32> hi, Dual Xeon E5506 Quad Core (Gainstown) VS Intel® Core ™ i7-8700 Hexa-Core Coffee Lake incl. Hyper-Threading Technology WHICH ONE is better when it comes to performance??
• 1576[17:18:38] <SerajewelKS> this assumes that the hypervisor doesn't cache writes to the virtual disk
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• 1578[17:19:04] <SerajewelKS> look at benchmarks
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• 1582[17:22:41] <jelly> ocx32: depends on actual workload, but I suspect a 3+ generations difference will weigh heavily in i7-8700 6core favor for most CPU and RAM loads.
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• 1584[17:22:58] <ocx32> but the other is a dual XEON jelly
• 1585[17:23:01] <ocx32> DUAL
• 1586[17:23:26] <jelly> yes, I read that.
• 1587[17:23:51] <petn-randall> Say DUAL one more time.
• 1588[17:23:59] <jelly> that's 8 old cores and NUMA vs 6 fresh cores and probably lots more L3 and L2 cache
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• 1590[17:24:33] <FinalX> i* usually have a lot higher latency than xeons though
• 1591[17:24:33] <Andrew_0010bit> DUAL
• 1592[17:25:15] <FinalX> i have ancient xeons that outperform a i7-3770 in some things, even though their clock speed is almost twice as high per core
• 1593[17:25:31] <jelly> FinalX: ivy bridge is kind of ancient by now as well.
• 1594[17:25:35] <FinalX> there's always replaced-url
• 1595[17:25:43] <FinalX> yeah but those xeons are even older :p
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• 1597[17:26:27] <jelly> there were significant improvements since, esp. with haswell and broadwell
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• 1599[17:27:15] <jelly> and DDR2 (or at best DDR3) on the 8 years old system vs DDR4 RAM on coffee lake
• 1600[17:27:38] <jelly> !tias
• 1601[17:27:38] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 1602[17:28:20] <FinalX> Intel Xeon E5506 @ 2.13GHz: CPU mark 2977. Intel Core i7-8700 @ 3.20GHz: CPU mark 15142.
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• 1604[17:28:48] <FinalX> So that i7-8700 of yours would outperform more than 5 E5506's by itself, according to the benchmark.
• 1605[17:29:52] <FinalX> Of course that's just a very banal number, and doesn't say that much, but I think it's clear to say the i7-8700 would get you better performance than the dual E5506s .. :)
• 1606[17:31:09] <petn-randall> Well, the advantage of a Dual Xeon E5506 Quad Core (Gainstown) is that you don't have to wait that long until you can bring it to your local vintage computer festival.
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• 1609[17:31:27] <FinalX> petn-randall :)
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• 1666[18:11:26] <Vall> Hello everyone, specially petn-randall, n4dir, jelly, greycat and bites: thank you all for your help in getting me through the jpeg2ps package building. I just finished cleaning it all up and published the source and binary packages here: replaced-url
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• 1670[18:11:54] <Vall> I tried to use the same "format" I saw on archive.debian.org, hope that's appropriate.
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• 1672[18:12:10] <greycat> ... wwhhhyyy does it say ubuntu ...
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• 1674[18:12:46] <Vall> and n4dir, thanks again for the tip re: looking up stevepusser to have it published on the MX repos, will do that later
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• 1676[18:13:18] <Vall> greycat: due to the fact it's the only distro fully supporting my notebook's hardware (a HP Zbook 17 G4)
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• 1679[18:13:50] <Vall> Sorry about that :-/
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• 1703[18:29:05] <azamet> hi all
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• 1705[18:29:53] <azamet> i need a linux based application which i can set username and password for selected forum to post to it per second topics do you know any app like that?
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• 1709[18:31:00] <SerajewelKS> to do what now?
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• 1711[18:31:47] <at0m> like, a web browser?
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• 1729[18:41:00] <Azlux_> is someone want to give me feedback about this project : replaced-url
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• 1738[18:44:17] <petn-randall> Azlux_: How is that related to Debian?
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• 1745[18:50:03] <Azlux_> petn-randall, you make a point
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• 1763[18:56:19] <petn-randall> Azlux_: Ah, in that case you might want to ask for feedback in #python or #linux. I skimmed over it, and only thing that stuck out were the very long lines. I'd stick to max 100 chars per line for readability.
• 1764[18:56:32] <jelly> ##linux has two hashes
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• 1776[18:59:47] <Novem> Hi, is it normal that there is a 64MB of swap appeared suddenly on a system with no swap space, no swap files and vm.swappiness=0 ?
• 1777[19:00:00] <Novem> swapon -s says '/swapfile file 65532 50932 -2'
• 1778[19:00:05] <Novem> but //swapfile does not exist
• 1779[19:01:20] <greycat> Novem: does "cat /proc/swaps" also show this?
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• 1781[19:01:57] <Novem> yea
• 1782[19:03:45] <ola> 'swapon -s' is equivelant to 'cat /proc/swaps'
• 1783[19:04:14] <greycat> That's what the man page said, but I was just trying to make sure, because that's *weird*.
• 1784[19:05:36] <ola> does "free" report swap available?
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• 1789[19:08:46] <Novem> yea that's weird because there is no file, `free -h` says Swap: 63M 58M 5.2M
• 1790[19:09:51] <noln> maybe it was rm'ed? rm unlink's a file from the path but does not delete it, deletion occurs (and space is freed) only when the file is closed/not used anymore
• 1791[19:09:52] <greycat> Perhaps the file was created, swapped-on, then unlinked.
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• 1793[19:10:10] <greycat> I've never seen anyone do this with a swapfile, though, so I don't know whether it's even possible.
• 1794[19:11:30] <Novem> well only me has access to the box and i did not remove it, will search for possible software that could do that
• 1795[19:12:33] <Novem> the box itself is a Debian 9 running proxmox kernel, maybe it's proxmox software
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• 1798[19:13:59] <bites> Azlux_: note that the ssh config can include other files. Mine has the line Include config.d/*
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• 1801[19:14:35] <greycat> lsof +L1 should show unlinked files (probably need to stop chrome first because apparently it uses a shitload of them)
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• 1805[19:16:43] <ola> Novem: if you don't want to have swap on the device (maybe it's an ssd?) you can turn it off ("swapoff -v /swapfile") and then comment it out in your fstab
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• 1809[19:17:39] <Azlux_> bites: only on the last version, the packages on freebsd is OpenSSH_7.2p2
• 1810[19:18:10] <Azlux_> petn-randall, thank, I will do that
• 1811[19:18:14] <Novem> ola, the disk is ssd
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• 1814[19:18:57] <Novem> when i do "swapoff -v /swapfile" it reports swapoff: /swapfile: swapoff failed: No such file or directory
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• 1816[19:19:27] <Novem> and that 64MB swap continue existing
• 1817[19:19:34] <bites> well, you are asking in #debian not #freebsd.
• 1818[19:19:43] <Novem> ok
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• 1820[19:20:09] <bites> Novem: heh, sorry, didn't mean you.
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• 1823[19:20:42] <Novem> ahh sorry then
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• 1828[19:26:02] <FurqanN> hi
• 1829[19:26:09] <FurqanN> SA türk varmı
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• 1832[19:26:49] <FurqanN> hi
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• 1834[19:27:38] <SerajewelKS> !tr
• 1835[19:27:38] <dpkg> methinks tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
• 1836[19:27:54] <FurqanN> adansın reyiz
• 1837[19:27:56] <FurqanN> adamsın
• 1838[19:28:01] <FurqanN> türk varya kodumun
• 1839[19:28:04] <FurqanN> konuşsana
• 1840[19:28:06] <FurqanN> xD
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• 1843[19:28:40] <petn-randall> FurqanN: You need to speak english in here to get a response.
• 1844[19:28:51] <SerajewelKS> FurqanN: please join the channel in the message above. we do not understand turkish.
• 1845[19:28:52] <FurqanN> OK BRO
• 1846[19:29:01] <FurqanN> ok bro
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• 1886[19:50:16] <pikolowali> Hi all
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• 1895[19:55:19] <pikolowali> Can't find a channel about infosec so dropping it here: I'm looking for a practical exploit of MITM attack. I mean, I'm teaching a lesson to a few students about security basis, I'm looking for an example of a post-exploit using MITM, but not just sniffing traffic in order to read sensitive information. What I'm looking for is an active exploit -whatever the protocol, http, netcat, etc.- to actually get a shell on the target.
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• 1897[19:55:46] <greycat> You didn't try ##security?
• 1898[19:55:52] <pikolowali> Damn
• 1899[19:56:02] <annadane> the channel name is "debian"...
• 1900[19:56:03] <pikolowali> Try infosec and gave up
• 1901[19:56:09] <pikolowali> So sorry
• 1902[19:56:19] <pikolowali> For my lazyness
• 1903[19:56:26] <pikolowali> Thank you
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• 1911[19:58:52] <mason> pikolowali: ISC Stormcast includes things like that in the show notes.
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• 1913[19:59:29] <pikolowali> I'll check right now, ty
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• 1983[20:48:21] <Novem> greycat, ola, just in case you are interested guys i found the problem of inexistent /swapfile. When someone makes a swapfile within the LXC container it appears in the hypervisor host in a such form.
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• 1985[20:48:45] <greycat> ah.
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• 1987[20:50:24] <ola> Novem: glad you figured it out
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• 1994[20:53:50] <p3rror> Hello
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• 1998[20:56:27] <rant> p3rror: this isn't a conversational kind of channel, if you need help with something just ask
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• 2002[21:00:55] <p3rror> I want only to say hello
• 2003[21:01:21] <p3rror> I was a Debian and Ubuntu maintenair and I lost my packages due to a health problems
• 2004[21:01:37] <rant> well you said it.. perhaps you should try a social channel like #debian-offtopic
• 2005[21:01:39] <p3rror> and now I'm back to IRC and my hobbies
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• 2008[21:02:16] <p3rror> =)
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• 2013[21:03:59] <bites> welcome back :)
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• 2016[21:04:53] <p3rror> Thank you bites
• 2017[21:05:04] <annadane> i've left all the "hi" people alone, some just want to be friendy
• 2018[21:05:07] <annadane> friendly
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• 2021[21:09:01] <veridiam> deb-multimedia still down?
• 2022[21:09:34] <annadane> !why not dmm
• 2023[21:09:34] <dpkg> The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
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• 2025[21:10:17] <bites> ya, it's down.
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• 2041[21:25:57] <Neoon> DOWN DOWN DOWn
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• 2056[21:39:47] <SerajewelKS> people still use dmm?
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• 2070[21:47:13] <fr33domlover> Hello!
• 2071[21:47:51] <annadane> !olleH
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• 2073[21:48:07] <fr33domlover> Is it possible to set file capabilities over ssh? ssh to my server and use setcap? I tried sshing to my server but it doesn't recognize setcap
• 2074[21:48:14] <fr33domlover> (On my laptop it does work)
• 2075[21:48:28] <fr33domlover> Hi annadane
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• 2077[21:49:00] <fr33domlover> (Btw Debian 9, file sustem is ext4)
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• 2085[21:53:09] <bites> fr33domlover: the binary is in the libcap2-bin package. check if it's installed.
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• 2089[21:54:16] <fr33domlover> bites, thanks :) Indeed it wasn't installed
• 2090[21:54:31] <SerajewelKS> when in doubt, search p.d.o
• 2091[21:54:38] <fr33domlover> I read it can't be used in a script, so I thought it's some shell builtin or something
• 2092[21:54:48] <greycat> I'm really not fond of packages beginning with "lib" that have executable programs in them. :-/
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• 2094[21:54:55] <SerajewelKS> why couldn't it be used in a script?
• 2095[21:55:05] <fr33domlover> Idk that's what web search said
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• 2099[21:55:47] <fr33domlover> SerajewelKS, ah maybe it meant it can't be used on scripts and I misread :P
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• 2111[22:07:07] <SerajewelKS> fr33domlover: that is correct because the script itself is not executed, it's the interpreter binary
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• 2113[22:07:34] <SerajewelKS> e.g. if the script has #!/bin/bash then it's the capabilities of /bin/bash that come into play
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• 2117[22:12:53] <trysten> greycat: +1
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• 2128[22:22:44] <fr33domlover> SerajewelKS, thanks, it makes sense now :)
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• 2164[22:46:26] <andril> hello all
• 2165[22:46:57] <wabbits> andril if you have a question it best to just ask.
• 2166[22:47:04] <wabbits> hello though
• 2167[22:47:52] <andril> hey wabbits
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• 2169[22:48:27] <andril> does unstable and testing have the latest kt3
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• 2171[22:48:47] <andril> *gtk3
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• 2182[22:54:40] <LucaVanzin> Hello to all.. Soory for ask.. I can't accomplish to properly make work my audio card (MCP79) on a dell xps13 a bit old.. could you kindly give a hand?
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• 2191[22:57:35] <wabbits> LucaVanzin I will help
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• 2194[22:58:06] <wabbits> you probably want to come over to #alsa though cause its an interactive process that will clog up this busy channel
• 2195[22:58:10] <wabbits> ok?
• 2196[22:58:23] <LucaVanzin> thanks wabbits
• 2197[22:58:27] <wabbits> np
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• 2222[23:20:46] <SerajewelKS> i laughed a bit at "this busy channel"
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• 2224[23:24:25] <wabbits> I was mistaken
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