71[01:05:04] *** TheUltimateBen is now known as Prints
72[01:05:29] <neubraunschweig2> Hey everyone! I'm having
some trouble with my Debian install. I have tried to skip the
following step in the past (the installer provides the option to do
so) but in the end, it doesn't work, so I assume it is
necessary
76[01:06:12] <brontosaurusrex> neubraunschweig2: what step?
77[01:06:14] <neubraunschweig2> It concerns non-free firmware
files. pparently I can load it onto removable media?
iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode, iwlwifi-5000-4.ucode, and so on to *1.ucode
78[01:06:24] <neubraunschweig2> but I don't know where to
get these files
79[01:07:05] <petn-randall> neubraunschweig2: You can install
fine without them, assuming your network connection doesn't
need them.
80[01:07:13] <brontosaurusrex> There is a non-free iso also
replaced-url
81[01:07:22] <neubraunschweig2> Interesting
82[01:08:52] <petn-randall> neubraunschweig2: Also, where does
the installation fail?
83[01:08:59] <neubraunschweig2> The next error is "network
autoconfiguration failed", it says my network is probs not
using the DHCP protocol, alternatively the DHCP server may be slow
84[01:09:10] <neubraunschweig2> I forget, I haven't done
this in a little over a week
85[01:09:15] <neubraunschweig2> I will try to reproduce the
error
86[01:10:16] <petn-randall> neubraunschweig2: If you're
using wifi, that's likely the issue. Practically all wifi
adapters require non-free firmware to work nowadays.
87[01:10:41] <neubraunschweig2> would it better to try with
ethernet then?
90[01:12:06] <petn-randall> neubraunschweig2: Either you use
the firmware images, or you use Ethernet, yes. You can always
install firmware at a later date.
95[01:14:44] *** neubraunschweig2 is now known as neubraunschweig_
96[01:15:08] *** neubraunschweig_ is now known as neubraunsch2_afk
97[01:15:15] <petn-randall> yw
98[01:16:58] <altker128> Hey guys. Is there a "clean"
way to install an older package in a new Debian? I'm using
Debian Buster because I need a package there but I need to use
PostGres 9.6 which is available in Stretch. Alternatively, is there
a way to use a package from Buster in Stretch?
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100[01:17:45] <petn-randall> altker128: Mixing Debian releases
is not supported.
101[01:17:47] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
102[01:17:48] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
103[01:17:53] <rant> anyone know which of our DM might work
better with fingerprint auth? With lightdm I have to type username,
scan finger, then click login.. I'd like to just scan finger
and it logs in without typing or clicking.
104[01:18:08] <petn-randall> altker128: If you need newer
packages than stable, there's always stable-backports, or
backporting it yourself.
105[01:18:16] <altker128> petn-randall: That's what I was
afraid of. What about using the src methodology ?
107[01:18:33] <petn-randall> altker128: That would be
backporting yourself.
108[01:18:53] <rant> altker128: I have forward ported things
before
109[01:19:12] <rant> depends on what it is and what you actually
need.. sometimes I just build from upstream
110[01:19:41] <altker128> I'd like to use php-horde-webmail
from Buster
111[01:19:54] <rant> altker128: it'd be best though usually
if you just use Stretch and backport things
112[01:19:56] <altker128> I did find it here :
replaced-url
113[01:20:01] <altker128> But I'm not sure how to proceed
114[01:20:09] <rant> !ssb
115[01:20:09] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
116[01:20:21] <rant> that process works for most things and is
rather simple and straightforward
121[01:25:58] <ryouma> petn-randall: i want to run a program.
for regression testing, i don't want the fact that it is a
later time now than before to change anything. so i want to specify
a time when i run the program, so that it thinks that the time is
that time.
122[01:26:23] <ryouma> or for purposes of trying the output at
different times
123[01:26:36] <rant> ryouma: yes I recall doing this before
132[01:29:02] <rant> there are definately plenty of options out
there for faking date.. I personally used it to get around expired
trial apps before :P
144[01:33:14] <altker128> petn-randall: In my case I am on
Stretch (9) and want to build something from Buster (10). I assume I
add deb-src
replaced-url
145[01:33:58] <petn-randall> altker128: yes
146[01:33:59] <rant> ryouma: depends on what you consider
better, datefudge is pure c with no deps, smaller, but less
featureful it just fakes the date calls, where faketime depends on
libfaketime which can do absolute or relative date shifts, can fake
filesystem timestamps, work on child processes, etc
147[01:34:40] <ryouma> interesting. the man page for faketime,
otoh, does not mention a static vs. non-static distinction
148[01:34:55] <rant> ryouma: if you merely need to test
something like see how a browser reacts to an expired cert,
datefudge will be fine, but getting around an expired software lisc
you may want something more robust and featured like faketime
149[01:34:58] <ryouma> i think i want static, so maybe datefudge
is better
150[01:35:42] <rant> because things that are actually validating
the date as opposed to just reading it will probably notice that the
filesystem timestamps are not right
151[01:37:16] <altker128> hrm. It's in the testing branch
of Buster but doing deb-src
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153[01:37:43] <rant> datetime is the shared preload lib and
command all in one, so yeah if that is important to you, then it may
be better, but faketime and libfaketime are far more complete and
featured
154[01:37:51] <rant> erm datefudge rather :P
155[01:38:08] <ryouma> rant: not sure what you mean. faketime
will change the program's idea of timestamps by an offset or
something? programs check if a file time is in the future?
158[01:39:16] <rant> ryouma: if a program like a web browser
goes to make an SSL/TLS connection under datefudge, it'll get
the cert, see its issued Sat Aug 25, 2018, expires Mon Aug 27, 2018
for example and it
159[01:39:42] <rant> it'd make a systemcal to check the
wall clock and it may see from datefudge that its Tue Aug 28 and the
cert would be seen as invalid
160[01:40:07] <rant> but if it were a program checking the
timestamp on the filesystem with a fs stat call, it'd still see
the real date of the file
161[01:40:26] <rant> libfaketime can fake more than just the
clock calls, it can fake other things too
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163[01:41:00] <rant> if you tell it shift date back 10 days, or
forward 30 days, it'll change what the program sees on
everything even filesystem timestamps
164[01:41:54] <rant> datefudge is more like just changing the
RTC, where faketime can change the whole user environment, including
the filesystem
165[01:42:16] <altker128> OK. Sorry for being really dense here.
The desired package I want seems to be in Buster testing . What
deb-src line would I add to my source.list so I can backport this to
Stretch (9)?
167[01:42:38] <alad> no need, just use dget -X on the .dsc link
168[01:42:53] <altker128> alad: Is that to me?
169[01:42:55] <alad> yep
170[01:43:05] <rant> altker128: just use a buster deb-src line
and ignore alad
171[01:43:08] <ryouma> rant: so the fs time feature is for
relative then it seems
172[01:43:12] <alad> rant: lol
173[01:43:35] <rant> alad: he's trying to use a simple
backport proceedure that apt builds a package for him against
stretch deps
174[01:43:49] <rant> you can't just go doing things
manually or you will have to do the whole process manually
175[01:44:29] <rant> ryouma: I'm not certain but I just
know libfaketime is a more complete library that is capable of doing
a whole lot more than just lying about the clock
176[01:44:42] <ryouma> rant: thanks
177[01:45:09] <ryouma> personally as a newcomer to it i have
found backporting to be sometimes quite complex, and sometimes
broken
178[01:45:11] <altker128> rant: The desired package is in Buster
testing , does that change your comment on what goes into a deb-src
line? When I added Buster main that didn't seem to work
179[01:45:22] <alad> rant: if he wants to backport 1 package, I
don't see what's wrong against dget and something like
cowbuilder/pbuilder that's ran on the .dsc
180[01:46:19] <rant> alad: the process I suggested is automated
using apt.. it automatically gets all the build deps, souces, and
builds the package without needing to lay a finger on a build tool
or manually resolving deps
190[01:48:03] <rant> altker128: a deb/deb-src line has first the
type (deb or deb-src) the URL, the section (stretch, buster, sid or
stable, testing, unstable which mean the same things) then the
section which is main, contrib and non-free only
191[01:48:54] <rant> alad: if you wanna walk this user through a
completely different process when we have !ssb, be my guest, but the
ssb proceedure has been around a long time and is really simple and
well supported
192[01:49:44] <alad> yeah, I'm not going to argue when
people appeal to convention
193[01:49:47] <altker128> rant: OK, I reverted it back to the
following : deb-src [arch=amd64]
replaced-url
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213[01:57:08] <rant> well seems that will work as far as the
dependency on php-horde anyhow which it says >= 5.2.17 which is
the stretch version I guess
215[01:57:59] <rant> but even if the build deps are satisfied in
stretch are you sure the fixes you're looking for are in that
php-horde-groupware and not one of the other php-horde* deps?
217[01:58:46] <altker128> rant: I assume, perhaps badly, that
since php-horde-groupware is the "metapackage" it would
pull in those versions from Buster as well. Is that a flawed
assumption?
237[02:06:16] <altker128> rant: What is your suggestion to
proceed if I wanted php-horde-groupware_5.2.22-3 and all of
it's updated dependencies from Buster?
244[02:12:17] <dreamer> finally found out what was wrong with my
networking: the dhcp leases files where corrupted somehow. and thus
dhclient couldn't write anything to it
245[02:12:28] <dreamer> "Corrupt lease file - possible data
loss!"
246[02:12:39] <dreamer> in the wicd logs. so. crisis averted :)
247[02:12:48] <jimm> jasabella, I think the headless one
doesn't include the gui stuff, but that's a -guess-... try
installing the other one
250[02:16:14] *** neubraunsch2_afk is now known as neubraunschweig2
251[02:16:16] <rant> altker128: what that ssb does is finds the
source package of what you tell it, gets that source then builds it
against the deps satisfied by the binary packages of your branch
252[02:16:59] <rant> altker128: if it will build all those
individually I dont know I never used it on something this large
253[02:17:08] <rant> I usually build one standalone package with
it
254[02:17:44] <rant> but I'd image they all belong to the
same source package and building each of those binary packages is
part of its build system.. idk
338[03:53:32] <pav5088> ifup/ifdown give me unpredictable
results, and usually don't work. I reported this on the Debian
user mailing list, and it's not one architecture either...
someone else had a similar problem. Any ideas what's going on?
339[03:54:12] <pav5088> I'm trying to change an interface
from DHCP to static.
341[03:55:12] <pav5088> This is in a script I've used with
no problems on previous versions, so I know I'm consistently
using the tools. Also, I went to the Debian documentation, and no
changes have been documented.
342[03:57:05] <petn-randall> pav5088: For me ifupdown runs
predictable as ever. You might want to add some context. Like you
config, what you expect, and what you get instead.
349[04:01:25] <pav5088> The config is a newly installed machine
with a LXDE environment and otherwise default. I'm changing
from a DHCP address to a static, and need to do so without
rebooting. I tried ifdown both before and after editiing
/etc/network/interfaces just in case that made a difference, and
also tried various combinations killing dhclient and "service
networking stop/start/restart". I always started from a fresh
virtual machine in my test environment just to
350[04:01:25] <pav5088> make sure there wasn't any
persistent configuration issues etc...
357[04:08:46] <themill> I still don't have any idea what
you actually did or what didn't work
358[04:09:57] <petn-randall> pav5088: Show us your config.
→
replaced-url
359[04:10:16] <petn-randall> pav5088: and also the output of
'ip addr'.
360[04:10:50] <petn-randall> pav5088: And you still need to
explain what you expect, and what you got instead.
361[04:12:04] <pav5088> themill, I used ifdown... then I typed
ipconfig... and the interface was still there, and could be
pinged(!?). That's the basic problem. My main purpose was to
edit /etc/network/interfaces so that my nic would have a static
config (instead of DHCP), so I tried doing that. No combination of
commands I could use would make that happen, and even a reboot
sometimes failed(!!!)
362[04:12:40] <petn-randall> pav5088: We can't help you if
don't show us actual data.
363[04:12:41] <pav5088> At least one other person seemed to have
this problem on the mailing list, and on a different architecture to
me (ie. non-AMD64)
364[04:13:56] <petn-randall> pav5088: And you can likely still
pings things when you do random things. This isn't helping.
368[04:16:13] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
onwards, the use of the networking init script to reload networking
configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is
discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply
changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove
all iptables rules: iptables -F. See also <mdblows>.
373[04:18:50] <pav5088> I should also mention that if I edit
nothing, and simply to ifdown <interface>, then ifconfig will
still see the interface and I can ping. (BTW, just pastebinning the
other stuff)
374[04:21:00] <altker128> pav5088: If your configuration is
still set to DHCP the DHCP daemon might try to run when you do an
ifup
393[04:28:39] <pav5088> This is weird. Getting inconsistent
results. Yesterday, from a clean VM ifdown wasn't dropping the
interface, or releasing the IP. Today it just released the IP but
left the interface up. (Just waited for some time to be sure it
wasn't half doing something). I re-upped the interface, then
downed it again, and the interface went down fully. That's
three separate results from an ifdown/ipconfig/ifup
394[04:29:19] <petn-randall> Maybe because `ipconfig` is a
windows tool.
395[04:29:52] <pav5088> I haven't made ANY changes to the
configuration in /etc/network/interfaces
396[04:30:23] <pav5088> heheh... sometimes the wrong commands
fly out my fingers... Work in both Linux and Windows environments.
397[04:30:24] <petn-randall> ... and I have yet to see any logs
of what you've been claiming for the last 40 minutes.
398[04:30:54] <petn-randall> pav5088: Is this Virtualbox or
docker?
399[04:31:24] <petn-randall> (I'm guessing from the IP
range)
409[04:35:49] <pav5088> Yesterday it didn't even drop the
IP address after an ifdown. I could ping the machine even.
410[04:35:58] <pav5088> (so it wasn't just a tool lying to
me)
411[04:37:25] <petn-randall> pav5088: That's also why
I've been asking you what kind of VM it is, twice now. It could
simply have been because the interface name changed.
418[05:00:50] <altker128> Anyone reccomend a light-weight SMTP
server for local users / non-internet facing
419[05:01:19] <altker128> Would Dovecot be the
"easiest" ?
420[05:02:06] <neubraunschweig2> is there any kind of quick
guide to useful commands? i have just downloaded Debian and i need
to install a desktop environment... unless there already is one, in
which case i just don't know how to activate it from terminal,
haha
450[05:12:19] <altker128> neubraunschweig2: np. I really like
MATE. I've tried XFCE and a bunch of others and find MATE for
the most part "just works".
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492[05:46:06] <OxFEEDBACC> high! is it "normal" on
debian systems (MX linux 17.1 here, apparently based on Stretch) to
not show in `mount`, `cat /proc/mounts`, `cat
/proc/$$/mount{info,s,stats}`, when an entry is a bind mount?
493[05:46:23] <OxFEEDBACC> or is that configurable somehow? or
is it a glitch in my system?
494[05:47:08] *** alad is now known as Rentaro
495[05:47:39] <OxFEEDBACC> when i have, for instance, /dev/sdb5
on /usr, and do a bind-mount of /usr/bin to /mnt/tmp/1, then
`findmnt` shows it as /dev/sdb5[/bin], but that's the only hint
i gut...
528[06:53:00] <TwistedFate> hello all, i remember one
debian's official website for kernel releases but i forgot
which one it is.. anyone knows of such a website?
560[07:35:24] <contrapunctus> I'm trying to find out if one
can run Debian without non-free drivers/firmware on the upcoming
Dragonboard Pyra. The SoC is TI OMAP 5, but there's not really
much information on the Debian wiki and doesn't seem to be on
the internet in general either. Any ideas? 🤔
561[07:36:39] *** Quits: OxFEEDBACC (~what@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
566[07:39:36] <contrapunctus> yeah, but doesn't say
anything about non-free drivers/firmware (we can assume GPU and
WiFi/BT are non-free, but what else?)
584[07:42:57] <rant> like a developer I like a lot, who hosts
one of our bots and made one of our foss games, has been working on
a developer phone with this company for years now its been
announcing releases that never came
585[07:43:10] <rant> so I dont really hold my breath on that
stuff anymore
594[07:49:13] <rant> contrapunctus: there are ones out there
with more usable qwerty keyboards like the gemini pda and such..
595[07:49:58] <rant> this one seems more geared toward gaming..
596[07:50:09] <rant> the keyboard looks rather aweful
597[07:51:34] <rant> trying to cram a qwerty keyboard onto
something with the form factor of an Nintendo DS and still have
gaming controls too.. is bound to be rather painful
598[07:51:50] <rant> and the layout and small keys look
atrocious
603[07:55:22] <rant> contrapunctus: the including cellular tech
for one thing especially makes things complicated on projects like
this.. getting approval from govts and such
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634[08:52:04] <Bushmaster> hello I am seeking some help, I am
trying to install QGIS in my Debian, following the QGIS website but
I am having issue, can anyone help please
635[08:53:13] <at0m|c> Bushmaster: why following their website?
there's packages in the debian repositories
639[08:54:15] <Bushmaster> hi at0m|c yes, I realized that but
unfortunately it is not the version that support OpenMapService
plugin for QGIS
640[08:55:04] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, here is the QGIS link where
it is clearly presented how to install QGIS in debian but I am
having issue
replaced-url
650[09:00:03] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, brilliant, i just installed
apt-transport
651[09:00:21] <at0m|c> apt-transport-https i assume?
652[09:00:47] <at0m|c> since their repo is
replaced-url
653[09:02:34] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, now another issue I will
pastebin you but i think this problem is also delineated and
explained in QGIS website but I just need to double confirm with you
folks okay, here is the problem
replaced-url
654[09:03:44] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, and here is the QGIS website
that provided answer to the problem, if you scroll down, just below
the Note, it mention how to add key
replaced-url
655[09:04:05] <Bushmaster> shall I follow their procedures
at0m|c
657[09:04:15] *** Quits: magyar (~magyar@replaced-ip) (Quit: Riding the split)
658[09:05:27] <Bushmaster> at0m|c, i done it, it processed
following this command apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com
--recv-key CAEB3DC3BDF7FB45
659[09:06:10] <at0m|c> Bushmaster: that worked? otherwise,
there's a wget -O -
replaced-url
660[09:06:11] <themill> what are you actually trying to achieve
here?
666[09:08:02] <Bushmaster> themill, yes QucikMapServices, can
you kindly help me to set it up when installation is finished, I
trust you are fluent in QGIS?
683[09:14:07] <at0m|c> if you say so. there's also a #qgis
on this irc network, they'll know about all the specifics for
installing plugins and what not.
684[09:14:56] <Bushmaster> yes at0m|c the qgis channel is very
slow, people often sleep all the time
685[09:15:51] <at0m|c> don't rush irc :p
686[09:15:55] <contrapunctus> Bushmaster: hello from an OSM
contributor ;)
726[10:09:27] <sweb> debian installer stuck on looking on
another operating system on grub installation... simple virtual
machine on Ubuntu 16.04 box debian jessie 8.10 and 8.11 tested with
mini iso files
727[10:10:06] <sweb> one Vda on /boot(ext4) swap and / partition
(ext4)
737[10:24:07] <linux8659> hi ,does intel n3050 1.6Ghz-2.16Ghz is
enough to run debian 64 gnome ??thanks
738[10:24:35] <dreamer> depends what you're going to run
739[10:26:15] <linux8659> openvpn ,tor-browser ,but mostly watch
videos and use firefox ,I know I can t expect to do much
virtualistion on this
740[10:27:13] *** Bushmaster is now known as Cat-Away
741[10:27:23] *** Parts: Cat-Away (~bushcat@replaced-ip) ("Ecosocialism is way forward. Capitalism is not the
answer.")
742[10:28:00] <linux8659> but will debian run without problem ,I
never had such a low cpu before ,Im travelling and syst76 doesn t
deliver where I am ..so want to buy this cheap one for a few months
765[10:42:30] *** Quits: electro33 (uid613@replaced-ip) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
766[10:44:08] <jasabella> kirk781… i saw, that's
insane, although they did do dos a while ago - you seen the wasm vim
port?
767[10:45:35] <jasabella> isn't this more ram than most
machines of that era had? > Once it’s running it
surprisingly only takes up around 200MB of RAM, even when running
all of the old Windows 95 system utilities, apps, and games.
768[10:45:47] <kirk781> jasabella, I didn't see that port.
But I want to try this out.
769[10:46:09] <kirk781> As soon as I restart my PC and boot back
in Debian, I had try it. Too bad Solus doesn
770[10:46:19] <kirk781> doesn't support either .deb or .rpm
771[10:46:39] <kirk781> jasabella, It's an electron app.
Electron is a RAM hogger
772[10:46:52] <kirk781> Freakin Slack takes more RAM than whole
OS back in the day
803[11:14:11] <sweb> jasabella: debian installer stuck on
looking on another operating system on grub installation... simple
virtual machine on Ubuntu 16.04 box debian jessie 8.10 and 8.11
tested with mini iso files ... one Vda on /boot(ext4) swap and /
partition (ext4)
804[11:14:23] <sweb> jasabella: repost
805[11:14:58] <sweb> jasabella: ye it's vm ... uskin kvm
qemu
806[11:15:27] <sweb> jasabella: i think i installing over 10K
this operation but never this issue before
807[11:17:33] <sweb> jasabella: i replace harddisk raw image and
reinstall whole operation, changing iso from net to CD ... nothing
different
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852[11:57:26] <TheWizard> please help, I did a fresh install of
debian 9.5 on a PC, hplip is missing pagewide ppds, is anyone using
a pagewide 377? Thanks!!
853[11:58:05] <TheWizard> I have several debian 9 installation
which has got hplip working with the same printer
924[12:34:47] <TheWizard> now cannot make it works! I deleted
/etc/hp/hlip.conf and reinstalled, apt cannot recreate issing
configurations! I used: apt-get -o
Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install
--reinstallapt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss"
install hplip
925[12:35:01] <TheWizard> now cannot make it works! I deleted
/etc/hp/hlip.conf and reinstalled, apt cannot recreate issing
configurations! I used: apt-get -o
Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install hplip
933[12:43:43] <TheWizard> 9.5 has got broken hplip
934[12:44:04] <no_gravity> Can you tell the wifi card of a
laptop to power save less aggressively? It seems my card goes into
sleep after a few milliseconds or so.
935[12:44:33] <no_gravity> I tell it to stop power saving with
'iwconfig <interface> power off'.
936[12:44:41] <no_gravity> But that might be too radical of a
solution?
937[12:44:45] <mdonkers> @TheWizard - I dare not try to touch
hplip now...
938[12:44:55] <no_gravity> Can I tell it to sleep only after 10s
of inactivity or so?
979[13:11:12] <no_gravity> unmy: Well, I need fast response time
from my laptop when I'm coding on it via ssh from another
machine.
980[13:11:17] <no_gravity> So then I turn power off.
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982[13:13:03] <unmy> no_gravity, if you feeling some delays then
ye
983[13:13:25] <no_gravity> unmy: I feel BIG delays with POWER ON
984[13:15:25] <unmy> no_gravity, other way could just set dtim
interval to 1 and lower beacons to 50 what should lower the delays
and tell the card to not sleep longer than 50ms
985[13:16:09] <no_gravity> unmy: But where do I set that?
986[13:16:23] <unmy> every normal AP got those settings but many
of those routers with modem/ap from operators have lock it
987[13:16:38] <no_gravity> My AP has no such settings.
988[13:17:11] <unmy> no_gravity, put your AP model in google and
check if can set own values
989[13:19:53] <no_gravity> unmy: No luck.
990[13:20:05] <no_gravity> unmy: Isn't it a setting of the
wifi card how fast it goes to sleep?
991[13:20:34] <unmy> what is your ap model name?
992[13:21:34] <no_gravity> unmy: I can msg it to you.
993[13:21:45] <unmy> no_gravity, no, because AP is sending dtim
packets to tell about when card can go sleep to save some power so
just can only disable it in card to ignore it
994[13:21:51] <unmy> no_gravity, ok
995[13:21:55] <no_gravity> I see
996[13:23:10] <ralpheeee> with backports on stable some packages
(eg ranger file manager v 1.7.1) have not been backported
yet...buster has v 1.8.1 and their github has v 1.9.1....is it best
then just to build from source (provided their are no major
complications with dependencies)...
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1021[14:05:11] <fGqR44rYAivTa> help, I have an external encrypted
disk that I unmounted...now during boot, I see the error timed out
waiting for device
1092[15:06:24] <Jenny_Tells> Hi, I have a problem with my hosters
debian Image (I guess - got no problems on every other Debian
installation). I installed UFW and reloaded everytime I applied a
rule. Tough I loose all my UFW rules if I restart my server. Any
ideas?
1093[15:17:31] <blackflow> Jenny_Tells: any
cloud-init-something-blah-service installed by the provider that
(re)sets config on boot?
1094[15:20:17] <RoyK> Jenny_Tells: anything in the logs? any
error messages if you try to "ufw enable" manually?
1096[15:21:13] <RoyK> Jenny_Tells: I had a similar issue with
crowncloud openvx - they just moved me to a kvm-based machine
instead of fixing it, saying openvx was something they wanted to get
rid of anyway
1100[15:28:29] <blackflow> "lose all UFW rules" vs
"UFW rules are there but not applied / erroring out for some
reason". Jenny_Tells should clarify, I was assuming the former.
1122[15:46:53] <introom> ok. i go with this: sudo apt install
(apt-cache depends plantuml | awk
'/(Depends|Recommends):/{print$2}')
1123[15:49:20] <The0x539> I'm trying to route all traffic
from a certain user through tun0, roughly following
replaced-url
1124[15:49:49] <n4dir> me thinks a $ is required before the ( ...
)
1125[15:50:14] <The0x539> ping -v from the vpn account complains
"ping: socket: Permission denied, attempting raw
socket..." twice before just sitting there.
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1143[16:18:19] <tw> The0x539: check whether you're running
debian's ping or some other ping. As far as I know
debian's ping automatically has the right capabilities for raw
sockets.
1159[16:23:59] <Jenny_Tells> blackflow: the UFW rules are there
but not applied and go lost after reboot. The (lucky) exeptions is
my ssh port which is somehow applied permanantly
1160[16:24:04] <blackflow> Jenny_Tells: same question applies :)
nowadays baremetal clouds are a thing.
1161[16:24:05] <tw> The0x539: maybe check if you have all the
routes you need on table 2?
1162[16:24:27] <The0x539> default dev tun0 scope link
1163[16:24:33] <The0x539> I have no idea if that looks right
1164[16:24:49] <blackflow> Jenny_Tells: ahh, see, that's
different then, and not what you originally asked. see if the ufw
service is started and enabled, if it's erroring out or
something.
1165[16:24:53] <tw> it doesn't. Usually you have a gateway
for openvpn.
1166[16:25:07] <tw> The0x539: copy the routes you need from the
default table onto table 2
1189[16:39:56] <The0x539> tw: "10.54.0.0/16 dev tun0 proto
kernel scope link src 10.54.88.201" is now the only line in
table 2, and now the vpn user seems to be not going through the vpn
1190[16:40:55] <The0x539> I'm under the impression that the
packet marking and filtering is working because connectivity gets
borked for the specific user again if I add back that line that used
to be there (in addition to this one)
1191[16:43:25] <tw> The0x539: Well, either your vpn server
isn't set up for def1-style route-everything w/ nat, or
route-nopull is eliminating a number of the routes you need to be
adding.
1192[16:43:54] <tw> you should have a default route on table 2,
or two /1 routes.
1193[16:44:03] <The0x539> what would a default route look like
1194[16:44:55] <tw> default via 10.54.0.1 dev tun0 would be my
guess.
1200[16:47:36] <tw> The0x539: I'm just guessing at your vpn
config. You should remove the route-nopull line from the config and
reconnect to see what routes it gives you.
1201[16:48:03] <The0x539> :q
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1203[16:48:33] <tw> If it's not giving you default routes,
it's very like the vpn server isn't set up for NAT routing
of clients.
1204[16:48:35] <The0x539> I mean it's there, in fact I
labeled last night that I added it
1262[17:14:04] <hazzy-lab> Hello, I am running debian 9.5 with
4.16.12-rt5 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT kernel, GeForce GTX 550 Ti graphics
and XFCE desktop. X seems to crash very frequently and I am forced
to restart.
1263[17:14:04] <hazzy-lab> How can I go about verifying that it
is X that is crashing, and what the cause is?
1265[17:14:57] <rant> hazzy-lab: it keeps logs, as does the
Display Manager, check the x log, display manager log, and the
kernel dmesg log for clues, and if you need help paste all three to
a pastebin
1266[17:15:11] <tw> awal1: are you using systemd session
management? Can you use `loginctl lock-sessions --wait` to lock
everything?
1299[17:55:26] <kek_> so I have a cheap vps which i use to play
around - wanted to install openvpn, for that I needed the tun
module. modprobe tun returns nothing, lsmod | grep tun also
doesn't show anything. So how can I make sure the module is
loaded? Why does modprobe tun not return some information?
1302[17:57:53] <DLange> probably because your cheap VPS does not
allow you to run a specific kernel or load modules to that kernel
1303[17:58:01] <GNU\colossus> kek_, there are VPS providers that
won't let you load kernel modules, due to the
"hypervisor" technology they use. if you have a shared
kernel, and aren't fully virtualized (think Xen, QEMU, or
VMware and friends), chances are you cannot have tun support.
1411[19:40:47] <TheAvatar> Hey. I managed to trigger an update of
perl, causing some problems. How to I "revert" (stay on
5.20 and skip the 5.24 update) the perl update?
replaced-url
1424[19:47:19] <TheAvatar> I want to stay on the currently
installed version, and not upgrade (atleast not yet), but I
triggered an update, that I didn't complete
1434[19:50:58] <annadane> jessie is only receiving LTS support
now, so i guess at this point assuming the FrankenDebian isn't
reversible, consider updating to stretch
1435[19:51:27] <annadane> someone more knowledgeable may be able
to help more
1436[19:51:50] <peedabee> You could of course always run a
container / docker keeping multiple versions on the same system
1437[19:52:09] <TheAvatar> annadane, I am on stretch
1438[19:52:25] <annadane> then that's really weird
1439[19:52:31] <TheAvatar> peedabee, in a way, yes. Except I
didn't upgrade anything yet that I regret. But apt thinks I
want to upgrade, and I dont
1440[19:52:41] <TheAvatar> so, apt has a pending update of perl,
and I want to cancel that
1441[19:53:04] <annadane> i think maybe pasting
(paste.debian.net) what you're trying to do may help
1462[19:57:01] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1463[19:57:02] <bites> libdbd-mysql-perl : Depends: perl (>=
5.24.1-1) but 5.20.2-3+deb8u9 is installed
1464[19:57:04] <annadane> rander2, ^
1465[19:57:20] <TheAvatar> bites, yes - while I have things that
depend on a lower perl version (current perl 5.20)
1466[19:57:22] <annadane> that said i guess it's probably
the same as in debian, apt install xfce4
1468[19:57:36] <peedabee> rander2, using a container and
bindmounting the videocard etc OR using a virtual machine depends on
what you want
1469[19:57:40] <TheAvatar> bites, but I have nothing installed
yet, that requires perl 5.24 - so I just need to tell apt, that I
dont want that update now anyways
1470[19:59:21] <rander2> peedabee, it isnn't a virtual
machine, it's a real machine
1471[20:00:02] <rander2> I think ssh X
1472[20:00:27] <peedabee> rander2, so you want to run a debian
desktop on an ubuntu machine?
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1474[20:00:50] <rander2> peedabee, yes
1475[20:01:33] <rander2> 'because debian pc is more
powerfull to compiling , etc...
1476[20:01:48] <rander2> peedabee, something like vnc
1477[20:01:55] <peedabee> aaaah look into x2go
1478[20:02:04] <bites> TheAvatar: then revert all those packages
to the version in jessie, put them on hold and try the update again.
but mixed systems are not fun to administrate.
1479[20:02:20] <peedabee> it's fast, ssh-based and has a ppa
repo.
1496[20:07:37] <ralpheeee> have installed pulseaudio running
4.17.0-3-amd64 and cant get my bluetooth speakers to connect
"Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed"
1519[20:25:03] <n9nes> peedabee yeah thinking so too, the
credentials (a domain user) are in a separate file and this user is
able to write if I touch test.cfg with sudo, but not without
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1544[20:46:36] <n9nes> peedabee: holy! shouldnt "mount
-o" remount the share with the present content of fstab? it
worked after reboot the box, but not with mount -o
1603[21:56:26] <jolt> choice: I use Docker more and more for
that, then I don't have to fiddle with dependencies as well
1604[21:57:04] <choice> jolt: How do you install something in
Docker?
1605[21:57:18] <jolt> choice: but one doesn't eliminate the
other
1606[21:57:48] <choice> jolt: What do you mean?
1607[21:57:50] <jolt> choice: well, most of the time somebody
have already created everything you need and put it on
hub.docker.com, or you can create your own dockerfile
1608[21:58:13] <jolt> choice: That some things might fit better
for docker, but if it's graphic stuff, then a VM might be
better
1609[21:58:34] <jolt> choice: there is also chroot, lvm and
whatnot
1610[21:58:43] <choice> Hmm...
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1612[21:58:48] <jolt> eh s/lvm/lxc/
1613[21:58:51] <choice> I was thinking about installing Android
Studio.
1614[21:58:56] <choice> It's an insane 900MB.
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1616[21:59:07] <choice> And I don't want to pollute my
Debian installation with that.
1617[21:59:13] <choice> So I thought to try it in Docker.
1618[22:00:49] <jolt> choice: There is also snap-applications,
where everything is already packaged
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1648[22:22:26] <annadane> can someone give me a kernel refresher
- if i want to simply generically use the kernel from backports
i'd just need linux-image-amd64, correct?
1649[22:22:37] <annadane> headers is for building your own
modules IIRC
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1677[22:56:55] <WallacePip> hello, I am about to install python
3.6. and added testing repository as advised on the web. but when I
typed "sudo apt-get -t testing install python3.6", it
shows a whole lot of desktop packages to upgrade..all I need is
python 3.6., how can I install it without a blunder=
1686[23:02:23] <WallacePip> I removed back the testing repo from
sources, but I'd run this command after having added that,
though; "echo 'APT::Default-Release
"stable";' | sudo tee -a
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00local" do I need to do anything more to
revert to the original state before adding the repo?