• 0[00:00:16] <how2down> Thx! :)
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• 2[00:00:41] <annadane> FWIW and it's entirely up to you (along with the usual caveats of testing maybe breaking, don't use it on mission critical stuff), i hear newer versions of KDE are just as buggy
• 3[00:01:14] <annadane> i know kde has a fast release cycle and i don't know what features you want, but yeah, newer isn't always better with regard to kde (or anything else; but kde specifically feels like something that gets left behind in debian unlike xfce or whatever)
• 4[00:01:18] <annadane> (which is why i say this)
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• 7[00:01:42] <annadane> also, keep in mind that when you use as a desktop with a lot of dependencies like kde does, it won't all get migrated to testing at once, there will probably be delays at some points
• 8[00:01:50] <sponix> Unit193: yeah.. I might do something like that... I want the whole qemu stack including libvirt, virt-manager and so forth to be current from Sid... Kinda afraid I might get in over my head, but at the same time almost wanna sake screw it and go for it :P
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• 10[00:02:00] <how2down> Ye, i distrohopped from Ubuntu to Mint to Manjaro and want the deb packages back
• 11[00:02:10] <how2down> And manjaro does kde reaaally well
• 12[00:02:19] <how2down> So i just want some too
• 13[00:02:42] <annadane> so you'll get some kde packages but then some might be delayed and you'll have half-a-newer-desktop with some older components
• 14[00:03:07] <Unit193> sponix: Honestly, doesn't sound fun at all.
• 15[00:03:14] <annadane> how2down, replaced-url
• 16[00:03:19] <how2down> Ye, i just want seminew kde and packages, thats why ill be testing
• 17[00:03:30] <sponix> Unit193: that entirely depends on your ideal of fun ;)
• 18[00:03:32] <how2down> I doubt ill notice the old/new mixup
• 19[00:03:35] <joepublic> I'm sure it's just me, my computer, or whatever, but I find the desktop environment formerly known as KDE to be quite the reliable crash factory.
• 20[00:03:49] <annadane> 3.1.7 was what i actually wanted to link, not that, but just scroll down
• 21[00:04:08] <sponix> how2down: Might as well just wipe and install Sid to begin with -- Know a guy running Sid for a couple months now and its done okay
• 22[00:04:11] <annadane> (3.1.6 is also related, though)
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• 24[00:04:21] <sponix> how2down: who needs stability anyway ?
• 25[00:04:51] <how2down> Eh, i might stick to manjaro if stability is an issue, for rolling i had it for half a year and no problems
• 26[00:04:58] <joepublic> one generally installs sid by upgrading stable.
• 27[00:05:13] <sponix> joepublic: I'm xfce Debian stable. Because for me I just want a light on resources DE to function, be stable, and stay out of my way
• 28[00:05:13] <how2down> Or maybe ill install debian as 2nd boot
• 29[00:05:31] <Unit193> sponix: Xfce 4.14 is so much more fun though!
• 30[00:05:35] <sponix> joepublic: Oh really.. I keep forgetting that
• 31[00:05:47] <Unit193> joepublic: One can use debootstrap/mmdebstrap to just install testing/unstable.
• 32[00:05:51] <annadane> the thing with testing/sid is it isn't a true rolling release; manjaro et al are meant to be *releases* and while you can use debian testing/sid (unstable), its main point is to become the eventual stable, so you won't always get the bleeding edge of what you might want bleeding edge (or just generally newer) versions of
• 33[00:05:56] <sponix> Unit193: because the version number is higher than 4.12 ?
• 34[00:06:15] <Unit193> sponix: If you do multimonitor stuff, the support in 4.14 is much better.
• 35[00:06:32] <joepublic> 4.14 does have scaling for hidpi
• 36[00:06:35] <sponix> Unit193: lol ... well lucky I am poor enough to only run one panel
• 37[00:06:55] <how2down> Ye, i dont need bleeding edge, i just dont want stable old packages
• 38[00:07:08] <how2down> Kinda like manjaro stable
• 39[00:07:23] <annadane> idk how pacman works but i imagine something like manjaro meant to be rolling might do transitions better
• 40[00:07:38] <annadane> whereas like i said in debian in testing and sid something transition wise is half-installable
• 41[00:07:51] <annadane> especially testing
• 42[00:07:52] <econeuler> how2down: Why do you want to run debian?
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• 45[00:08:13] <how2down> As said, i just seem to find soft i want/need more often in deb
• 46[00:08:16] <Unit193> annadane: KDE/etc transitions tend to get held up in unstable, so you get them basically all at the same time in testing.
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• 48[00:08:45] <annadane> yeah, that's also true, and mirrors my experience using kde in sid
• 49[00:09:08] <annadane> first you wait months for qt to be updated, then for them to decide which version of kde to include in sid, *then* you wait more, *then* you eventually get t
• 50[00:09:11] <annadane> get it*
• 51[00:09:33] <annadane> anyway, *hums along happily on xfce 4.12*
• 52[00:09:57] <sparky4> should i upgrade to debian 11 to fix my pointer trackpoint issue?
• 53[00:10:07] <sponix> annadane: yeah, I'm sure that .02 worth isn't that huge
• 54[00:10:07] <annadane> only if you know updating would fix it
• 55[00:10:17] <how2down> I just love kde connect and that i can turn off my laptop from another room from my phone when i get to stoned to leave the couch haha
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• 57[00:10:44] <annadane> i'm surprised they don't call it kde konnect
• 58[00:10:52] <sponix> how2down: I leave my rig and laptop running 24/7
• 59[00:10:58] <sponix> annadane: they probably do
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• 61[00:11:15] <how2down> Its probably in the works haha
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• 64[00:12:08] <how2down> well, the isos written, ill be off, will report back
• 65[00:12:24] <annadane> sparky4, i guess my first guess in situations like that would be "maybe it's fixed with the debian backported kernel", but i have no idea about your specific case
• 66[00:12:31] <Unit193> sparky4: I do not wish to be rude, though in general I'd say if one has to ask if one should upgrade to testing/unstable, the answer is likely 'no'.
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• 69[00:13:12] <Unit193> It *might* fix a problem, but it's also likely to come with headaches if one hasn't used it before.
• 70[00:13:54] <sponix> sure.. backport kernel is like 5.4.19 right now... Giving that a shot for a hardware possible fix.. why not :)
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• 72[00:14:21] <Unit193> That being said, wireguard is being inserted into the backports kernel, which is amazing.
• 73[00:14:24] <sponix> I'm running that kernel right now just because I like higher version numbers
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• 81[00:17:14] <sponix> Unit193: surely if they rebuild the whole libreoffice for shits and giggles, someone would like to do my virtualization setup, riiight ?
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• 116[00:25:00] <sponix> Unit193: well from a security standpoint I hear that is very good
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• 122[00:26:01] <sponix> Unit193: question is, is virtualization a big enough deal for enough people to warrant backports. Or am I just a niche
• 123[00:26:12] * sponix goes to google how to request a Backport
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• 132[00:27:10] <Unit193> sponix: It's linked off of backports.debian.org.
• 133[00:27:26] <sparky4> ok i will test the kernel and see if it works
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• 143[00:30:14] <sponix> Unit193: the mailing list -- Yeah, I'm going to sub to it now. Thanks
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• 146[00:30:23] <Unit193> Sure thing.
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• 156[00:34:08] <Unit193> sponix: Do you do a fair bit of personal backporting?
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• 167[00:36:34] <sponix> Unit193: the only thing I've needed to backport so far was rtorrent from 0.9.7 to 0.9.8 .. It only had like 2/3 deps
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• 169[00:37:05] <sponix> Unit193: so no, I haven't done a fair bit, just that one, the one time
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• 179[00:40:21] <sponix> Unit193: I already know what they are gonna come back and tell me when I put in the request... lol " sounds great, do it yourself " ;)
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• 192[00:44:14] <sponix> Unit193: know what.. Think I'll do a fresh VM for this one, do the building in there, that way if I break something my Host OS will be fine :)
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• 194[00:44:39] <Unit193> sponix: sbuild/pbuilder is a great option without the weight of a VM.
• 195[00:44:51] <Unit193> Also, look into mini-dinstall/aptly.
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• 198[00:46:06] <sponix> Unit193: I will look into that. But for right now I'm gonna try the vm + ssbp option from the bot :)
• 199[00:46:09] <sponix> !ssb
• 200[00:46:09] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 209[00:48:36] <how2down> Done installing, guess ill search how to switch to testing :)
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• 216[00:51:55] <annadane> how2down, if you have questions about it then #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 217[00:52:01] <how2down> My mouse pointer speed seems to be fixed in the touchpad settings, how do i fix it?
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• 221[00:52:45] <annadane> no clue, not a kde user
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• 223[00:55:27] <sponix> Unit193: I know a VM seems heavy for what I'm doing... But my rig is overkill so I am use to using them for a lot of things :)
• 224[00:55:31] <how2down> Where can i edit the sudoers file so i can sudo?
• 225[00:55:46] <joepublic> visudo
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• 227[00:56:31] <how2down> vi sudo?
• 228[00:56:32] <sparky4> nope dose not work
• 229[00:56:38] <sparky4> should i upgrade?
• 230[00:56:44] <joepublic> visudo
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• 232[00:57:15] <how2down> thats not a command for me if u meant me
• 233[00:57:30] <sponix> Unit193: replaced-url
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• 236[00:57:39] <joepublic> `/sbin/visudo`
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• 238[00:57:57] <sparky4> my pointer thing dose not work still
• 239[00:58:03] <how2down> Ok, thx
• 240[00:58:24] <trek00> how2down: you can also add your user to the sudo group
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• 242[00:58:51] <how2down> trek00 how?
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• 245[00:59:50] <trek00> how2down: usermod -a -G sudo yourusername
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• 247[01:00:33] <how2down> usermod isnt a command or do i not understand
• 248[01:00:35] <joepublic> dpkg, tell how2down about su
• 249[01:00:48] <trek00> how2down: you need to run it as root
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• 251[01:01:00] <how2down> oh, ofc lmao
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• 253[01:01:16] <themill> also just "adduser youruser sudo"
• 254[01:01:24] <sparky4> my pointer is so broken!!! ghaaah
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• 257[01:01:57] <trek00> sparky4: it's too fast?
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• 259[01:02:05] <sparky4> it dose not move
• 260[01:02:13] <how2down> Ok neither usermod nor adduser work with sudo
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• 262[01:02:15] <sparky4> i did a modprobe of psmouse and it is now detected
• 263[01:02:23] <how2down> and visudo is jibberish in kate
• 264[01:02:23] <sparky4> but fails to move
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• 266[01:02:33] <joepublic> how2down, didn't dpkg just tell you about su?
• 267[01:02:49] <how2down> Oh, i didnt notice the channel pop up
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• 270[01:03:48] <joepublic> these commands are in /sbin, so they won't be in your path with su unless you `su -` or `su -l`
• 271[01:03:53] <how2down> Ok, so basically sudo is su?
• 272[01:03:56] <sponix> how2down: umm, sure Sid is right for you? Seems you are struggling with the basics bro
• 273[01:04:02] <joepublic> no, sudo is not su.
• 274[01:04:16] <how2down> I dont want unstable
• 275[01:04:18] <sparky4> trek00: it is stuck
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• 278[01:04:38] <trek00> sparky4: do you reastarted X11?
• 279[01:04:43] <how2down> I just want a semi-up-to-date debian with kde, dont hate
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• 282[01:04:59] <sponix> annadane: well I put in my request for a virtualization backport to be done... I'll give it a few days, see what I get for a response. And if needed, just do it my damn self :)
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• 284[01:05:07] <sparky4> trek00: oh how?
• 285[01:05:31] <trek00> sparky4: well, may be try to logout and login again
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• 288[01:05:32] <sparky4> ./etc/init.d/lightdm restart?
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• 290[01:05:35] <sparky4> ok
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• 293[01:06:33] <how2down> Ok, i figured it out, this is comfortable, i just never used root as user outside of sudoing commands, thx
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• 299[01:08:26] <sponix> first thing is to install Debian though, I would guess -- doing that now
• 300[01:08:48] <sparky4> trek00: still stuck
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• 303[01:09:33] <sparky4> sigh
• 304[01:09:36] <trek00> sparky4: sorry i don't know how to debug a sticky pointer
• 305[01:09:48] <sparky4> i8t is a mouse pointer device
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• 310[01:10:48] <trek00> sparky4: may be unplug an plug again the mouse?
• 311[01:11:17] <afidegnum> anyone familiar with samba4 dns settings please? i have an existing remote dns server, how do i configure to match current configurations?
• 312[01:11:24] <sparky4> it is built into the laptop
• 313[01:11:29] <sparky4> i know it works
• 314[01:11:36] <sparky4> it worked in debian 9
• 315[01:11:48] <trek00> sparky4: sometimes unplug and replug causes events to be processed
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• 318[01:12:48] <sponix> how2down: replaced-url
• 319[01:12:49] <sponix> how2down: if you can't follow the usermod as root there -- you might as well call it a day
• 320[01:12:59] <trek00> sparky4: may be /etc/X11/xorg.conf points to the wrong device?
• 321[01:13:05] <sparky4> lets see
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• 325[01:14:44] <ThinkDao> Hi all, there is a way to protect packages from being removed from a system?
• 326[01:15:00] <annadane> ThinkDao, apt-mark manual <package>
• 327[01:15:03] <trek00> ThinkDao: you can mark them as manually installed
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• 330[01:17:27] <ThinkDao> annadane & trek00 even using that command they are in the list of "packages to be removed" .. no other way ? Or maybe I should just let Debian remove them and then reinstall them again?
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• 332[01:17:52] <annadane> not sure why, according to my current knowledge that shouldn't be happening
• 333[01:17:55] <annadane> maybe someone else knows more
• 334[01:17:58] <trek00> ThinkDao: may be you are installing a package conflicting with those removed?
• 335[01:18:15] <annadane> ^
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• 337[01:19:05] <how2down> sponix2ipfw I checked with id, have sudo, but cant sudo- wtf?
• 338[01:19:20] <ThinkDao> trek00: Not sure why.. pulseaudio can work without X and mplayer as well. Even ffmpeg can.. while is a pre-compiled packages.. maybe ffmpeg is a X dependecy?
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• 340[01:20:01] <trek00> what package are you installing an what package it removes?
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• 342[01:20:12] <abrotman> use paste.debian.net to show us
• 343[01:20:17] <sparky4> should i upgrade to debian testing to see if it works?
• 344[01:20:26] <sparky4> i think it is something wrong with the x11
• 345[01:20:31] <ThinkDao> trek00: I am truing to remove all X packages.
• 346[01:20:58] <trek00> sparky4: only if your hardware is really new (less than 1-2 years)
• 347[01:21:46] <trek00> ThinkDao: if you are using aptitude, launch it with -R to disable recommends, it will be simpler
• 348[01:21:59] <how2down> sponix I checked with id, have sudo, but cant sudo- wtf?
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• 350[01:22:25] <trek00> how2down: try sudo id
• 351[01:22:46] <trek00> how2down: what it prints?
• 352[01:22:54] <how2down> same output
• 353[01:23:07] <trek00> how2down: paste it
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• 355[01:23:26] <sponix2ipfw> how2down: login as root. Do the usermod command as /sbin/usermod blah blah blah
• 356[01:23:31] <how2down> root@mg:~# sudo id mguid=1000(mg) gid=1000(mg) groups=1000(mg),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),112(bluetooth),118(lpadmin)
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• 358[01:23:48] <how2down> Literally in sudo
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• 360[01:23:53] <how2down> group
• 361[01:24:05] <trek00> how2down: why do you want to run sudo when you alreay root?
• 362[01:24:13] <sponix2ipfw> sponix2ipfw: exit root. Login to your user. And then use sudo
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• 364[01:24:27] <how2down> Dont want to root every time i just want to sudo a command
• 365[01:24:35] <how2down> As said
• 366[01:24:40] <how2down> It doesnt sudo on user
• 367[01:24:47] <sponix2ipfw> trek00: because he is full of fail. lol
• 368[01:24:54] <trek00> :)
• 369[01:24:54] <sparky4> trek00: it is from 2014
• 370[01:25:05] <trek00> how2down: we can't help you without the error messages
• 371[01:25:14] <sparky4> debian 10 has been horrid on my older hardware
• 372[01:25:37] <how2down> mg@mg:~$ sudo apt update[sudo] password for mg: mg is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
• 373[01:25:50] <trek00> sparky4: it should run fine, but may be you can rename your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old and try again
• 374[01:25:55] <ThinkDao> what player is only for audio ? not for video ?
• 375[01:26:16] <sponix> how2down: no shit. because you didn't run the proper usermod command as root, then switch to the user
• 376[01:26:40] <sparky4> ok
• 377[01:26:53] <how2down> I ran usermod -aG mg from root alrdy
• 378[01:26:59] <trek00> ThinkDao: you can try cmus
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• 380[01:27:17] <sponix> how2down: umm that isn't the correct command bro
• 381[01:27:26] <hemimaniac> ThinkDao: rhythmbox,clementine
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• 384[01:27:47] <sponix> how2down: usermod -aG sudo mg
• 385[01:27:49] <how2down> usermod -aG sudo mg, yesyes
• 386[01:28:04] <sponix> how2down: did that run without issues ?
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• 389[01:28:14] <ThinkDao> hemimaniac: those use X .. why pulseaudio have X libraries as dependency ? :o
• 390[01:28:22] <joepublic> then ... this bit is important ... next time (not this time) you log in as your user, you have sudo access
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• 392[01:28:31] <how2down> Yes, and i checked with id that im in the sudo group
• 393[01:28:32] <trek00> ThinkDao: pulseaudio is evil :)
• 394[01:28:36] <how2down> And it wont sudo :)
• 395[01:28:46] <trek00> how2down: what error message?
• 396[01:29:01] <joepublic> how2down ... this bit is important ... next time (not this time) you log in as your user, you have sudo access
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• 398[01:29:07] <how2down> No error message, as posted, just not in the suoers file
• 399[01:29:18] <sponix> how2down: reboot the rig, then it will work :)
• 400[01:29:27] <how2down> Thank for not being condescending after i told u the same shit the 2nd time :)
• 401[01:29:43] <how2down> Ill go reboot :)
• 402[01:29:49] <sponix> joepublic: Yeah, he hasn't fully logged out and back in.. just telling him "reboot" is easier though
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• 404[01:30:00] <sponix> how2down: good, then I'll try to quit giving you shit
• 405[01:30:01] <oldborow> hi everyone
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• 407[01:30:15] <oldborow> F
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• 409[01:30:35] <joepublic> telling someone to "reboot" for something other than a new kernel is a little bit evil. But I see your point in this instance and did not even feel the least bit tempted to argue.
• 410[01:30:46] <oldborow> i just want to test this irc technology
• 411[01:31:06] <ThinkDao> WOW .. removing mplayer + ffmpeg made Debian remove dhcp ( Debian is EVIL )
• 412[01:31:31] <trek00> oldborow: you can write and we all read :)
• 413[01:31:36] <sponix> joepublic: I know its all kinds of wrong.. But at this point, did I really care ? lol
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• 417[01:32:06] <ThinkDao> then I need to set a static IP to connect againt and update this system or I should just don't use DEbian at all ?
• 418[01:32:09] <ThinkDao> :D
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• 420[01:32:30] <how2down> Now it works :)
• 421[01:32:31] <trek00> ThinkDao: it's really weird
• 422[01:32:37] <ThinkDao> true
• 423[01:32:45] <joepublic> you have the steps reversed, imo. first, stop using debian if it conflicts with your deeply held convictions, then do whatever else
• 424[01:32:47] <ThinkDao> but now I have no dhcp
• 425[01:32:50] <trek00> ThinkDao: i have many systems with dhcp and without mplayer or ffmpeg
• 426[01:33:10] <how2down> Thank you trek00 :)
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• 428[01:33:24] <abrotman> ThinkDao: have you put any of this in a pastebin for us to review?
• 429[01:33:26] <oldborow> Think Dao lol this is weird I've never encountered this
• 430[01:33:28] <trek00> how2down: me? :)
• 431[01:33:39] <sponix> how2down: your welcome
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• 433[01:33:48] <how2down> *youre
• 434[01:33:58] <ThinkDao> abrotman: not at all and now I can't.. I am disconnected from that machine to internet
• 435[01:34:06] <sponix> /kick how2down
• 436[01:34:18] <how2down> LMAO
• 437[01:34:20] <ThinkDao> in any case, Debian have wgetpaste package?
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• 439[01:34:40] <ThinkDao> or similar.. I don't know
• 440[01:35:00] <annadane> i see people mess up your and you're all the time and it's terrible, there isn't even 3 of them like there their and they're
• 441[01:35:23] <Unit193> ThinkDao: pastebinit, or termbin.
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• 443[01:35:45] <how2down> Illiteracy is a global problem
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• 451[01:38:04] <joepublic> GNU/Linux illiteracy is a global problem
• 452[01:38:14] <joepublic> ftfy
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• 456[01:38:39] <oldborow> guys do you know about kolibri os??
• 457[01:38:48] <abrotman> oldborow: hi, this is #debian
• 458[01:39:02] <oldborow> i know
• 459[01:39:39] <oldborow> but this is a live chat where I can ask questions
• 460[01:39:45] <oldborow> i think
• 461[01:39:47] <abrotman> so is #kolibri
• 462[01:39:51] <how2down> Sir, This Is an Arby's
• 463[01:39:53] <abrotman> and no, we only support Debian here
• 464[01:39:57] <oldborow> ok
• 465[01:40:14] <tsarompy> oldborow: theres #debian-offtopic too :P
• 466[01:40:29] <abrotman> no
• 467[01:40:33] <abrotman> that's not a support channel
• 468[01:40:38] <abrotman> wtf is wrong with you
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• 470[01:40:45] <tsarompy> no need to be rude
• 471[01:41:05] <tsarompy> i think they said that in reference to this -> [18:38] <joepublic> GNU/Linux illiteracy is a global problem
• 472[01:41:12] * tsarompy shrug
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• 474[01:41:13] <oldborow> where i can find popular offtop chates??
• 475[01:41:22] <abrotman> See the topic in #debian-offtopic .. it's clearly not a support channel
• 476[01:41:31] <tsarompy> did i say 'go there for support'
• 477[01:41:50] <abrotman> ...
• 478[01:42:22] <abrotman> oldborow: if you want random chat, you can try ##chat also
• 479[01:43:14] <oldborow> "Cannot send to nick/channel" what this error means??
• 480[01:43:23] <abrotman> it means you probably have to register
• 481[01:43:35] <abrotman> oldborow: /msg nickserv help (or see #freenode)
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• 484[01:43:50] <ThinkDao> I forget how to setup a static IP.. I did reboot and yes, dhcliet was removed and dhcpcd as well.. lets see if with a static IP I can solve this problem.
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• 487[01:45:02] <sponix> ThinkDao: it is possible with Debian itself, and that is covered in the wiki -- BUT, I just do a static lease at my router for my rigs. Lets them stay simple with dhcp, while still always getting the same address
• 488[01:45:08] <sponix> just a thought
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• 490[01:45:46] <ratrace> ThinkDao: first example in this chapter replaced-url
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• 492[01:47:04] <ThinkDao> sponix: a lot of things did change.. I see.. I need to edit a file to setup .. the old way doesn't work anymore?
• 493[01:47:30] <ratrace> "old way"?
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• 496[01:48:11] <ThinkDao> ifconfig ratrace: like > ifconfig 192.168.10.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 ( for example )
• 497[01:48:14] <sponix> ThinkDao: Yes, things have changed
• 498[01:48:37] <ThinkDao> doesn't work :(
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• 500[01:49:51] <ratrace> ThinkDao: you have to install ifconfig. it's superseded by iproute/ip
• 501[01:50:12] <ratrace> but really, don't use it any more. learn iproute, and use the interfaces(5) framework
• 502[01:50:23] <ThinkDao> ratrace: yeah, I have ifconfig but not ip (command )
• 503[01:50:41] <ThinkDao> checking
• 504[01:50:41] <ratrace> ThinkDao: which debian?
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• 506[01:51:29] <ThinkDao> ratrace: is pretty new.. kernel 4.19.98
• 507[01:51:42] <trek00> ThinkDao: you should write: ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.10 netmask 255.255.255.0
• 508[01:52:09] <ratrace> ThinkDao: if that's buster, then you must have ip, and not ifconfig
• 509[01:52:11] <ThinkDao> trek00: yeah, but it doesn't assume to ip for the lan
• 510[01:52:26] <ThinkDao> the ip*
• 511[01:52:35] <sponix> ThinkDao: run: uname -a
• 512[01:52:39] <sponix> Linux sponix 5.4.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.4.19-1~mx19+1 (2020-02-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 513[01:52:52] <sponix> hmm that isn't the one
• 514[01:52:59] <ratrace> mx? MX?! MX?!?!?! get out!
• 515[01:53:07] <trek00> :D
• 516[01:53:19] <sponix> ThinkDao: I meant run: inxi -S
• 517[01:53:31] <sponix> ThinkDao: that should tell you what Debian version you are on
• 518[01:53:49] <ThinkDao> sponix: inxi ( command not found )
• 519[01:54:02] <sponix> ThinkDao: well then "apt install inxi"
• 520[01:54:07] <ratrace> ThinkDao: cat /etc/debian_version
• 521[01:54:08] <ThinkDao> no ip ..
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• 523[01:54:10] <lwp> !mxlinux
• 524[01:54:10] <dpkg> MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
• 525[01:54:13] <ThinkDao> no connection
• 526[01:54:14] <sponix> if inxi isn't found, we know its pretty old
• 527[01:54:16] <ThinkDao> no updates
• 528[01:54:19] <ThinkDao> no installs
• 529[01:54:33] <ratrace> sponix: stop confusing them with non-debian stuff
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• 531[01:54:35] <sponix> lol forgot, you networking is broken. apt will not install anything
• 532[01:54:49] <annadane> ThinkDao, just give the output of cat /etc/debian_version
• 533[01:55:06] <ThinkDao> annadane: 10.3
• 534[01:55:11] <sparky4> ok the mouse buttons work no
• 535[01:55:15] <sparky4> ok the mouse buttons work now**
• 536[01:55:29] <sparky4> but the pointer still is stuck
• 537[01:55:59] <sponix> ThinkDao: is this a fresh install, or an upgrade from Jessie ?
• 538[01:56:40] <ratrace> ThinkDao: you can use commands, but if you want your config to persist on boot, use the interfaces(5) framework, namely the /etc/network/interaces file, see the link I gave you earlier
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• 540[01:57:28] <ThinkDao> sponix: a "fresh install" .. lets assume that.. is a slow machine I did install X and I remove all X stuff to clean it out, while cleaning remove some important packages I believe
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• 542[01:58:01] <sponix> !why debian
• 543[01:58:01] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
• 544[01:58:07] <ThinkDao> ratrace: I will check that
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• 547[01:59:02] <oldborow> by the way guys what GUI do you use in your debian systems
• 548[01:59:14] <sponix> oldborow: xfce
• 549[01:59:20] <ratrace> i3-wm
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• 551[01:59:31] <sponix> oldborow: with X from xorg pretty sure (not wayland)
• 552[01:59:56] <annadane> oldborow, xfce, but, try not to ask general questions when people are asking support questions
• 553[02:00:03] <annadane> that's a fantastic question for #debian-offtopic
• 554[02:00:11] <sponix> ratrace: have you tried "Awesome" window manager ? I keep hearing good things about it, but time never permits
• 555[02:00:11] <oldborow> hah
• 556[02:00:12] <oldborow> ok
• 557[02:00:33] <annadane> i guess the support questions kinda ended
• 558[02:00:38] <annadane> i'm only half paying attention to scrollback
• 559[02:00:46] <trek00> sparky4: may be you can try to switch to another console and then back to X11 (CTRL-ALT-F3 and then CTRL-ALT-F1)
• 560[02:00:51] <ratrace> sponix: haven't
• 561[02:00:54] <annadane> or never mind.
• 562[02:01:01] <sparky4> ok
• 563[02:01:05] <sparky4> nope
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• 567[02:03:14] <trek00> sparky4: i'm sad i can't help you, may be this can help in some way? replaced-url
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• 572[02:05:50] <ThinkDao> I need to reboot again to have connection?
• 573[02:06:12] <ratrace> ThinkDao: no
• 574[02:06:18] <ratrace> ThinkDao: restart the networking.service
• 575[02:06:49] <ratrace> ThinkDao: assuming you configured the /etc/network/interfaces file
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• 580[02:08:03] <ThinkDao> ratrace: /etc/init.d/netoworking restart .. ok, but ping google.pt ( failure in name resolution )
• 581[02:08:27] <ratrace> ThinkDao: learn to use systemd and the systemctl command. /etc/init.d/ is going out of fashion fast
• 582[02:08:28] <ThinkDao> mispell it /etc/init.d/networking
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• 586[02:09:09] <ThinkDao> I still us RC in other systems.. lets see
• 587[02:09:11] <ratrace> ThinkDao: well yes. when you set up static networking you need to do several things that otherwise DHCP would do for you. IP address, routes, and the resolver. You need to configure /etc/resolv.conf for a rsolver of choice
• 588[02:09:37] <ratrace> ThinkDao: but why are you insisting on static configuration if you're apparently not familiar with networking at all? why just not use your network's DHCP?
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• 590[02:10:18] <sparky4> ok
• 591[02:10:37] <joepublic> ratrace, ThinkDao story is that "debian is broken and removing unrelated packages also removed dhcp" - this is a rescue attempt
• 592[02:10:40] <ThinkDao> ratrace: please... this conversation is about that problem
• 593[02:10:49] <ThinkDao> dhcp was removed :D
• 594[02:10:59] <ratrace> I see.
• 595[02:11:22] <ThinkDao> it say's: systemd-networkd is not running
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• 597[02:11:47] <ratrace> ThinkDao: do you know the IP of your resolver in your network? it's probably the main router
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• 599[02:12:09] <ratrace> ThinkDao: systemd-networkd is an entirely different method to manage network. since you're in "rescue mode", please stay on track
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• 601[02:12:56] <ratrace> ThinkDao: so use your network's router/resolver's IP, or google's 8.8.8.8 by setting nameserver <ip address here> in /etc/resolv.conf
• 602[02:12:58] <ThinkDao> ratrace: I was pointing to a different dns, but I can setup the router up to
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• 604[02:13:25] <ThinkDao> ratrace: it was pointing to cloudflare ( 1.1.1.1 )
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• 606[02:13:49] <ratrace> thta's okay too if it works for your
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• 608[02:14:07] <ratrace> *you
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• 612[02:16:06] <ThinkDao> hmm. ok.. there is some Good news.. I can ping the router but the router don't let pings go outside from that machine.. saying "network is unreachable" if I ping google.com e.g
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• 619[02:17:36] <ThinkDao> so for this case I should setup the router for it right ?
• 620[02:18:04] <trek00> ThinkDao: try ping 4.4.4.4
• 621[02:18:12] <trek00> not
• 622[02:18:25] <trek00> ping 1.1.1.1
• 623[02:18:45] <ratrace> ThinkDao: did you set up routing/default gateway? What's your interfaces file like?
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• 625[02:18:49] <trek00> sparky4: what model is your laptop?
• 626[02:18:51] <ThinkDao> same.. even if I try to ping 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1, it tells me "network is unreacheble"
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• 628[02:19:02] <ThinkDao> trek00: yes
• 629[02:19:56] <trek00> ThinkDao: check if you setup default gateway: what it prints route | grep default?
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• 631[02:20:47] <ThinkDao> trek00: nothing
• 632[02:21:09] <trek00> ThinkDao: good, type route add default gw ip.address.of.your.router
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• 636[02:22:21] <ThinkDao> trek00: <3 ping is working .. glad .. :D thank you so much !
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• 638[02:22:36] <sparky4> trek00: thinkpad t1440p
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• 644[02:25:04] <trek00> sparky4: it never worked on this setup? or it just freeze after the first suspend?
• 645[02:25:05] <sparky4> trek00: ok i am using my desktop for this
• 646[02:25:21] <trek00> ThinkDao: nice :)
• 647[02:25:27] <sparky4> it never worked with debian buster
• 648[02:25:44] <sparky4> my desktop'sgfx card dose not woith with buster eiyhrer
• 649[02:25:48] <sparky4> it is an old pci one
• 650[02:25:59] <sparky4> buster is so frustrating
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• 653[02:26:43] <trek00> :/
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• 656[02:29:02] <trek00> sparky4: do you have installed server-xorg-input-synaptics ?
• 657[02:29:10] <trek00> sparky4: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
• 658[02:29:15] <sparky4> syna[ptics is for touchpads
• 659[02:29:35] <sparky4> let me see if there is a package for thinkpad trackpoints
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• 662[02:32:00] <trek00> sparky4: may be there are error messages in the logs? type dmesg | grep psmouse
• 663[02:32:01] <sparky4> it is installed
• 664[02:32:05] <sparky4> ok
• 665[02:32:31] <sparky4> !
• 666[02:32:38] <sparky4> i found something
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• 673[02:33:40] <ThinkDao> ok.. lets dive into the last problem.. pulseaudio try to install x11 libs that will not be used. alsa-utils is installed but cmus report: Error opening audio device: no such device.. there is no other way to have audio ?
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• 676[02:34:58] <sparky4_> ok
• 677[02:35:00] <ThinkDao> I didn't knew this player.. thanks for the tip.. seams pretty nice
• 678[02:35:03] <sparky4_> [ 711.793224] psmouse serio4: Failed to enable mouse on rmi4-02.fn03/serio0
• 679[02:35:15] <sparky4_> trek00:
• 680[02:35:26] <trek00> ThinkDao: check the card is recognized with aplay -l
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• 682[02:36:55] <trek00> sparky4_ may be you laptop gone in suspend mode, before you started X?
• 683[02:36:58] <ThinkDao> yes, "both" are. there generic one (hdmi) and the hda which should be the main one
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• 685[02:38:05] <trek00> ThinkDao: try with speaker-test -t wav -c2
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• 689[02:39:53] <ThinkDao> ah ok.. this get me an error: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1108(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
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• 692[02:40:43] <sparky4_> trek00: no?
• 693[02:40:58] <sparky4_> trek00: i restarted it multiple times and the pointer is stuck
• 694[02:41:07] <sparky4_> i cant usre the trackpoint still
• 695[02:43:18] <trek00> ThinkDao: may be it select the wrong device (hdmi is for digital output, the other for analog)
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• 697[02:43:30] <trek00> sparky4_: i have no more ideas
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• 700[02:44:34] <trek00> ThinkDao: you can try speaker-test -D "hw:CARD=Generic,DEV=0" -c2
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• 703[02:45:09] <trek00> ThinkDao: with aplay -L you should get all devices names to set with -D
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• 705[02:45:48] <sparky4_> [ 711.793224] psmouse serio4: Failed to enable mouse on rmi4-02.fn03/serio0 trek00 this is the only thing i got from dmesg
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• 707[02:45:51] <trek00> ThinkDao: this should print your model name lspci -nn | grep -i audio
• 708[02:46:43] <trek00> sparky4_: i don't have experience with trackballs, but i read sometimes trackball go in conflict with touchpad, bios settings and more
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• 711[02:47:36] <sparky4_> it has to be a conflict or something
• 712[02:47:45] <trek00> ThinkDao: this is more specific: aplay -L | grep ^hw:
• 713[02:47:50] <sparky4_> let me see if it works on hardware
• 714[02:47:54] <sparky4_> it should
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• 718[02:50:18] <ThinkDao> trek00: this is a AMD/ATI Azalia ( intel hda ) .. this is so weird.. amd + intel in the same machine haha
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• 720[02:51:29] <trek00> ThinkDao: i have an amd intel hda too and my board have two (virtual) cards: 0 and 1 and i must use card 1
• 721[02:52:28] <ThinkDao> so I need to setup the one I wish to use, which in this case is the second card ( hda intel ).. I don't use hdmi
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• 724[02:54:52] <trek00> ThinkDao: first you need to discover the one running fine
• 725[02:55:08] <sparky4> rebooting dose nothing
• 726[02:55:10] <trek00> ThinkDao: this will list devices: aplay -L | grep ^hw:
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• 728[02:55:16] <sparky4> imma try one more thing
• 729[02:55:20] <sparky4> bgefore upgrade
• 730[02:55:24] <trek00> ThinkDao: the you should try with speaker-test -D "devicename"
• 731[02:55:25] <ThinkDao> disconnect? this is a laptop
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• 735[02:55:58] <trek00> ThinkDao: discover, to find
• 736[02:56:39] <ThinkDao> sorry ..my bad, your spell it well
• 737[02:57:33] <ThinkDao> hw:CARD=Generic,DEV=3 || hw:CARD=SB,DEV=0
• 738[02:58:11] <trek00> ThinkDao: try both: speaker-test -D "hw:CARD=Generic,DEV=3" -c2
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• 741[02:59:34] <ThinkDao> trek00: cool. This last one is "doing something" but I cannot hear anything.. not sure if is supposed to hear
• 742[02:59:41] <OS-66968> /msg NickServ REGISTER
• 743[03:00:07] <trek00> ThinkDao: it's noise, if you want a voice try speaker-test -D "hw:CARD=Generic,DEV=3" -c2 -t wav
• 744[03:00:58] <trek00> ThinkDao: anyway may be your /etc/asound.conf have something wrong
• 745[03:01:05] <annadane> OS-66968, omit the space before /
• 746[03:01:05] <sparky4> yeah it is a buster problem
• 747[03:01:16] <sparky4> trek00: i am going to upgrade
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• 750[03:01:57] <trek00> sparky4: hope this will fix it, but if it is a really old hardware may be it runs better with older debian
• 751[03:02:03] <trek00> ThinkDao: good
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• 755[03:03:10] <trek00> ThinkDao: i'm searching for a configuration
• 756[03:03:50] <ThinkDao> still not listen anything at all, but the speaker-test is running
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• 758[03:04:15] <u53r_4n0n_101> my country is going to the hell with this cr|p of virus, i think because of what i see on tv
• 759[03:04:39] <trek00> ThinkDao: well, try with the other card: speaker-test -D "hw:CARD=SB,DEV=0" -c2 -twav
• 760[03:05:33] <ThinkDao> trek00: Playback open error: -2, no such file or diretory
• 761[03:05:34] <u53r_4n0n_101> i don't believe it so, but just in case of i can't contact with this (and no one else): how can i could i maintain this system by myself?
• 762[03:05:49] <annadane> u53r_4n0n_101, debian in general?
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• 765[03:06:17] <u53r_4n0n_101> i think. compile it and so?
• 766[03:06:24] <trek00> ThinkDao: well may be you need to unmute channels: try with alsamixer -D "hw:CARD=Generic,DEV=3" and then try again with speaker-test on that device
• 767[03:06:48] <annadane> it's not that hard to maintain, just keep on top of updates, like by having an update notifier (i use package-update-indicator), subscribe to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org, maybe read some basic documentation (especially wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian)
• 768[03:06:49] <annadane> !newcomer
• 769[03:06:50] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
• 770[03:07:16] <annadane> otherwise, your question is maybe a bit hard to answer, i'm not sure what you really mean
• 771[03:07:25] <annadane> when you say "maintain this system by myself"
• 772[03:07:36] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_101: we will be here to support anyway, virus or not :)
• 773[03:07:47] <ThinkDao> trek00: using "alsamixer -D ...." is not defined by alsamixer it self as a command .. tell me to use alsamixer --help
• 774[03:08:43] <u53r_4n0n_101> ...no. it helps if i have a net, but if i don't? i'll explain: develop the kernel (and everything i need) by my own
• 775[03:09:46] <trek00> ThinkDao: sorry this is taking too long for me
• 776[03:10:22] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_101: why you need to develp the kernel?
• 777[03:10:25] <ThinkDao> is ok trek00 I already have connection.. just tell me, I need to setup the /etc/asound.conf file ?
• 778[03:11:06] <trek00> ThinkDao: asound.conf is to setup the correct card, once you find it, but you need to ear something
• 779[03:11:54] <trek00> ThinkDao: may be you can read more on replaced-url
• 780[03:12:05] <annadane> u53r_4n0n_101, what do you mean by develop, exactly? it may be easier to ask in your native language
• 781[03:12:17] <Unit193> package-update-indicator \o/
• 782[03:12:35] <u53r_4n0n_101> nothing
• 783[03:12:39] <annadane> yeah i wish i could just dpkg -l package when i get those emails but it isn't practical
• 784[03:12:45] <ThinkDao> cool.. checking
• 785[03:12:47] <annadane> because it goes under different names
• 786[03:12:48] <Unit193> annadane: What do you set the update command to?
• 787[03:12:59] <annadane> you mean frequency of how often it checks?
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• 789[03:13:45] <u53r_4n0n_101> i'll try to have a connection, otherwise, just compile the kernel and all the files?
• 790[03:13:56] <Unit193> No. It has two configuration options, frequency and update command.
• 791[03:14:02] <u53r_4n0n_101> develop: make my software
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• 793[03:14:32] <annadane> Unit193, oh i just leave it blank and do my updates from the terminal
• 794[03:14:41] <Unit193> Ah.
• 795[03:15:25] <annadane> i don't like auto updates, i prefer seeing what it's doing
• 796[03:15:35] <trek00> ThinkDao: i think you need to write something like: pcm.!default { type hw; card Generic; device 3 } ctl.!default { type hw; card Generic; device 3 }
• 797[03:16:26] <Unit193> annadane: `synaptic-pkexec --dist-upgrade-mode` would do that: "Call DistUpgrade and display changes"
• 798[03:16:56] <annadane> meh
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• 801[03:19:51] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_101: probably we don't understood your question, may be you can be more specific about what you need
• 802[03:20:07] <u53r_4n0n_101> maintain
• 803[03:20:33] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_101: your debian system will run fine also without updates
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• 806[03:21:14] <u53r_4n0n_101> ok
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• 808[03:22:51] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_101: anyway, even if this virus is bad, it is expected that it will not kill more than 1/5 of the people in the worst case, so the network should continue to be operational
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• 810[03:24:29] <annadane> ...1/5 is a lot
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• 814[03:25:47] <trek00> yeah, but it should be the worst case (everyone got infected, no one get medical care)
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• 854[03:55:20] <ThinkDao> I have sound :D I can sleep trek00 .. super thanks for your time and tips! Take care!
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• 858[03:56:47] <trek00> ThinkDao: good :)
• 859[03:57:03] <dvs> No you can't. Not with all that noise!
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• 861[03:57:59] <ThinkDao> dvs noise? the good in the bad of this world wide warning virus is: there is no noise at cities :D
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• 865[03:58:42] <sahag> Hi all
• 866[03:58:45] <dvs> heh
• 867[03:59:01] <sahag> I have a little problem
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• 871[03:59:36] <sahag> Admin is installed node v.12 to server
• 872[03:59:49] <sahag> but I wanted node 8.13 LTS
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• 874[04:00:11] <sahag> so i've downloaded portable version of node813 and run it
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• 876[04:00:46] <sahag> now the problem is i cant set in path my node813 with priority
• 877[04:00:50] <sahag> how can i do that
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• 880[04:03:33] <trek00> sahag: export PATH=/your/node/path:$PATH
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• 884[04:04:42] <sahag> <trek00> I've already tested
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• 941[04:49:59] <dvs> no!
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• 943[04:50:22] <realRobbinWillia> Can anyone assist with 10.11.1.128 - I have a barely functioning initial shell and I am curious to see how others got their shell on this machine
• 944[04:50:54] <lwp> !kali
• 945[04:50:54] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 946[04:52:11] <nyov> 'man 1 date' says --date=STRING can be a relative time/time zone -- does anyone have an example of giving a relative time offset there?
• 947[04:53:17] <trek00> nyov: date -d "now + 1 week"
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• 950[04:53:42] <trek00> or simply "1 week"
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• 953[04:54:07] <nyov> trek00: okay, more specifically I wanted a timezone offset from UTC. so "+EST" or something
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• 956[04:54:54] <trek00> nyov: you can type date -d EST
• 957[04:55:11] <nyov> ah right. so confused
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• 959[04:55:31] <trek00> or date -d +3hours
• 960[04:56:25] <nyov> I actually need to use strftime, can't use date directly. and strftime has a "%+" format I was hoping to use... I guess I'll see if that works there, somehow
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• 963[04:56:56] <nyov> thanks, trek00
• 964[04:57:32] <trek00> nyov: youcan also use %z
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• 966[04:57:50] <nyov> yeah, for format output. but I need to set a time offset
• 967[04:58:29] <nyov> %z would simply show UTC
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• 969[04:59:35] <trek00> %Z? :)
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• 973[05:04:22] <nyov> well, I guess lua os.date doesn't support that format. dangit. I hate changing date format string on DST changes
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• 977[05:06:39] <Unit193> I tend to use the format of `TZ=Australia/Sydney date` for alternate locations. :3
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• 1025[05:50:20] <sponix2ipfw> Unit193: you ever sleep?
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• 1027[05:50:38] <Unit193> sponix2ipfw: Sure.
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• 1032[05:52:57] <sponix2ipfw> I'm making some progress. Managed to get my VM up
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• 1066[06:22:30] <pastiche> sponix2ipfw: VM ?
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• 1077[06:26:46] <sissylog> what's the lowest TDP socketed CPU I can get right now
• 1078[06:27:25] <sissylog> I see AMD 200GE is 35W
• 1079[06:27:32] <sissylog> anything below that
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• 1083[06:31:28] <sissylog> lol sorry i asked the question in the wrong channel
• 1084[06:33:14] <annadane> how DARE you
• 1085[06:33:16] <annadane> banned forever
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• 1139[07:09:46] <ryouma> there has been a moderator in this channel who was exactly like that. a mischan would be taken as a deliberate act of sabotage.
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• 1141[07:10:38] <ryouma> i use feh. most of my images are portrait. i want to rotate them. but feh doesn't do that any longer due to some library issue.
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• 1146[07:12:42] <ryouma> "feh WARNING: lossless rotate: Got exitcode 1 from jpegtran. Commandline was: jpegtran -copy all -rotate 270 -outfile image image"
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• 1152[07:15:01] <ryouma> ah i think i mysteriously need jpegtran where for some reason i had it before
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• 1157[07:18:45] <emss> ryouma any benefits using jpegtran instead of imagemagick?
• 1158[07:19:02] <ryouma> emss: it is hardcoded into feh acc manpage
• 1159[07:19:16] <ryouma> it works now
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• 1297[09:16:33] <Buffoni1990> Boe !
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• 1345[09:58:27] <jringoot> Hello do any of you use recent dell latitudes (5300, 5400 or 5500) laptops with debian 10 (or 11)? Any of you experience the random hang at boot just after "Loading intial ramdisk"? Any workaround? (Dell says they only give linux Support for Precision laptops)
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• 1405[10:31:45] <ChrisH> Debian stretch, following replaced-url
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• 1411[10:33:26] <ChrisH> I am unsure what updtaes were applied between first success tests (2 weeks ago) and reboot on sunday. I added IPv6 to my network on saturday but afterwards it still worked.
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• 1430[10:49:09] <emss> ChrisH does it go down the moment you ifup?
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• 1440[10:58:03] <ChrisH> yes
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• 1454[11:04:50] <fonky> hi all
• 1455[11:04:59] <Paul__> hi
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• 1457[11:05:32] <luna_> hi
• 1458[11:05:43] <fonky> i have a question, if anyone having a suggestion, is there a way to for example get a txt or whatever listing of every file on replaced-url
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• 1460[11:06:22] <fonky> something akin to a directory and file print >> whatever.whatever on local drive
• 1461[11:06:28] <fonky> y
• 1462[11:06:31] <fonky> structure and file name
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• 1479[11:15:53] <fonky> lynx -dump -listonly replaced-url
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• 1481[11:16:04] <fonky> can anyone help me a bit :)
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• 1483[11:16:27] <nevivurn> sponix: update re: RX 5500XT, everything works on Debian Testing + adding some new firmware bits from linux-firmware.git. Which means I can backport whatever I need to get it working on stable (probably)!
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• 1487[11:17:44] <fonky> without the second grep i get a directory listing
• 1488[11:18:04] <fonky> grep \.xpi$ <- does not really work
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• 1497[11:22:08] <jm_> try '.xpi$'
• 1498[11:22:11] <jringoot> thanks for the suggestion @jim_ With corona I am working from home, but I will definitely try this.
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• 1500[11:22:27] <jm_> make that '\.....'
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• 1504[11:23:42] <jringoot> rng is "random number generator" I suppose, I am looking trough the list of kernel options, it doesn't seem configurable there, correct?
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• 1508[11:24:43] <klys> google [random number generator kconfig]
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• 1519[11:29:07] <fonky> jm ty for reply but does not print anything
• 1520[11:29:34] <fonky> tried grep '\.xpi$' grep \\.xpi$ grep '.xpi$'
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• 1530[11:32:24] <jm_> fonky: the command does not list any xpi files
• 1531[11:32:40] <tucna> hi
• 1532[11:32:50] <klys> h~
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• 1551[11:41:00] <jamesc> I see debian useto have /etc/networking/interfaces all the guides put static routes in there. I would like to add a seperate routes file like previous versions
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• 1578[12:10:07] <fonky> odd stuff
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• 1580[12:10:14] <fonky> lynx -dump -listonly replaced-url
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• 1583[12:10:42] <fonky> lynx -dump -listonly replaced-url
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• 1586[12:11:06] <fonky> any ideas why?
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• 1590[12:11:58] <fonky> as there are xpi files on that server -> replaced-url
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• 1600[12:19:17] <fonky> um, last question
• 1601[12:19:29] <fonky> is there an -R for recursive option in lynx
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• 1603[12:19:51] <fonky> with -dump & -listonly
• 1604[12:20:04] <fonky> so it dump the whole of the structure
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• 1626[12:30:51] <duude__> Hello people. I'm trying to make prepackaged live OS for radio amateur ethusiasts. Not sure where to start, but I definetely don't want to reinvent the wheel and go with LFS. Can I just base it off Debian? If so, where do I start?
• 1627[12:31:32] <fonky> there are some packages that help you out how to build a distro based on debian
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• 1629[12:31:53] <Unit193> Specifically, live-build will help
• 1630[12:32:24] <duude__> Oh nice! Thank you.
• 1631[12:33:07] <fonky> let me check
• 1632[12:33:15] <fonky> i saw those a while ago while using apt
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• 1634[12:33:17] <fonky> not sure
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• 1636[12:34:38] <ChrisH> duude__: IIRC there are several ham radio based Live Distros. There should be one debian ham radio flavor. We talked about that a while ago in a linux and hand radio workshop.
• 1637[12:35:06] <fonky> remastersys respin
• 1638[12:37:24] <fonky> replaced-url
• 1639[12:37:38] <fonky> it should not be much different
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• 1641[12:37:47] <fonky> but then again you better ask the people writing the code
• 1642[12:37:47] <duude__> ChrisH: I saw some too. They're all kinda outdated though. I wanted to create something new, how I imagined them
• 1643[12:37:54] <duude__> Hopefully the community will like it heh
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• 1650[12:42:18] <fonky> duude__: replaced-url
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• 1660[12:49:41] <rs2009> Worked on the first release of Krob Linux
• 1661[12:49:47] <rs2009> blufire.xyz
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• 1671[12:56:21] <jamesc> I see debian useto have /etc/networking/interfaces all the guides put static routes in there. I would like to add a seperate routes file like previous versions
• 1672[12:58:15] <trek00> jamesc: you can create a file inside /etc/network/interfaces.d/
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• 1675[12:58:42] <nkuttler> rs2009: please don't spam here
• 1676[12:59:03] <rs2009> Not spamming :)
• 1677[12:59:10] <rs2009> Just wanted opinion of the idea
• 1678[12:59:20] <jamesc> @trek00 Thanks
• 1679[12:59:20] <nkuttler> my opinion is that you're off-topic and spamming
• 1680[12:59:31] <rs2009> Am not :)
• 1681[12:59:39] <nkuttler> !ops rs2009 spam
• 1682[12:59:39] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: nkuttler complains about a problem (see above)
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• 1684[13:00:04] <rs2009> !ops nkuttler spam
• 1685[13:00:04] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: rs2009 complains about a problem (see above)
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• 1687[13:00:45] <rs2009> Please do not create a fuss
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• 1689[13:01:21] <rs2009> I haven't caused a problem and am not a spambot, which I guess you believe
• 1690[13:01:44] <jelly-home> rs2009, we warned you about gratuitous ads for your own project before
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• 1694[13:02:15] <jelly> nkuttler, thanks
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• 1696[13:02:25] <nkuttler> jelly: you're welcome
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• 1699[13:03:11] <jelly> they seem to be just an enthusiastic kid but could learn to use offtopic channels for things like that
• 1700[13:04:11] <Haohmaru> or a spamthusiastic kid
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• 1704[13:05:23] <jelly> and they got conflicting advice
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• 1706[13:06:45] <jelly> Mar 16 12:20:11 <rs2009> petn-randall: Debian could have a special edition though. It could be mainly for users who aren't worried about system issues and do not like the old version set of Debian Stable. [...] <petn-randall> rs2009: Let us know how far you get with it!
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• 1708[13:07:16] <Haohmaru> i wonder why some packages that are in debian11 right now aren't available via backportz to debian10
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• 1710[13:07:40] <jelly> noone asked for them.
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• 1712[13:08:03] <Haohmaru> hm, i guess there has to be muchos demand?
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• 1714[13:08:18] <jelly> there has to be ANY demand
• 1715[13:08:27] <jelly> !backports
• 1716[13:08:27] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 1717[13:08:32] <trek00> Haohmaru: if they are small packages, it is simpler to build packages yourself
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• 1719[13:08:50] <Haohmaru> it's not too small, it's code::blocks
• 1720[13:08:54] <jelly> Haohmaru, read the instructions, join the mailing list, ask for stuff you need
• 1721[13:09:04] <Haohmaru> aww mailing list x_x
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• 1723[13:09:54] <jelly> too good for your refined social networking palate?
• 1724[13:10:58] <Haohmaru> i seriously don't understand mailing lists, there must be some logic in them since a ton of people prefer that, but to me it's all just confusing
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• 1726[13:11:25] <Haohmaru> i "grew up" with phpbb forums and IRC
• 1727[13:12:21] <jelly> they are excellent to track conversations IF you have a decent mail client
• 1728[13:12:37] <jelly> forums are a mess, and you don't keep a local copy
• 1729[13:12:50] <Haohmaru> i open my email.. from the web browz0r
• 1730[13:12:53] <jelly> no way to track who answered what
• 1731[13:13:08] <Haohmaru> forums are a mess?! wot?!
• 1732[13:13:35] <jelly> even sites like reddit have better threading
• 1733[13:13:38] <trek00> Haohmaru: mailing list are comfortable with a proper mail client
• 1734[13:14:11] <Haohmaru> so they aren't otherwise?
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• 1736[13:14:43] <Haohmaru> oh well
• 1737[13:14:47] <trek00> Haohmaru: it depends how much the webmail client is done well
• 1738[13:15:11] <jelly> Haohmaru, most webmail solutions don't present conversations in a decent manner
• 1739[13:15:17] <trek00> and how fast you can move between messages and search
• 1740[13:16:18] <Haohmaru> imma look for another way
• 1741[13:17:47] <Haohmaru> i remember like probably 15 years ago i had to use this "yahoo groups" thing to talk to certain peoplez, is that the same as mailing list?
• 1742[13:18:05] <Haohmaru> it was a highly unpleasent experience
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• 1745[13:21:19] <trek00> Haohmaru: it should be easy to rebuild codeblocks
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• 1791[13:46:20] <jelly> mailing lists are just mail.
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• 1794[13:48:48] <coet-i3> Hi! How can I find which package has installed a specific /usr/lib*.so file?
• 1795[13:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1560
• 1796[13:49:51] <trek00> coet-i3: dpkg -S /path/to/file
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• 1801[13:50:58] <coet-i3> trek00: doesn't work: `dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/libiconv.so.2`
• 1802[13:51:32] <trek00> coet-i3: this is a symlink, try with the full name
• 1803[13:52:35] <coet-i3> trek00: same error: replaced-url
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• 1806[13:53:57] <trek00> coet-i3: it should mean that files are not installed by a package
• 1807[13:54:19] <coet-i3> trek00: oh, that can make sense, because it was installed with `configure && make`
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• 1809[13:54:44] <trek00> coet-i3: you should install under /usr/local to not mess your system
• 1810[13:54:52] <trek00> coet-i3: configure --prefix=/usr/local
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• 1812[13:56:31] <coet-i3> thanks
• 1813[13:56:36] <trek00> :)
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• 1815[13:58:34] <ph8> Hi all, does anyone know when stretch is getting EOLed this year?
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• 1817[13:58:48] <ph8> I'm looking for a more specific date so i can plan when to upgrade to buster
• 1818[13:59:09] <dvs> !stretch
• 1819[13:59:10] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
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• 1821[13:59:56] <mutante> ph8: June 30, 2020
• 1822[14:00:09] <dvs> ph8, it's usually about a year after the next stable release.
• 1823[14:00:17] <ph8> thanks
• 1824[14:00:29] <trek00> ph8: the LTS support will end on 2022
• 1825[14:00:37] <ph8> awesome thanks
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• 1830[14:06:04] <ice9> i'm trying to install mysql on debian stretch but getting "mysql-server : Depends: default-mysql-server but it is not going to be installed"
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• 1834[14:10:22] <jelly> ,v default-mysql-server
• 1835[14:10:23] <judd> Package: default-mysql-server on amd64 -- stretch: 1.0.2; bullseye: 1.0.5; buster: 1.0.5; sid: 1.0.5
• 1836[14:10:54] <jelly> ice9, make sure your srtetch sources.list are complete and that you're actually running stretch
• 1837[14:11:01] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 1838[14:11:01] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1845[14:12:20] <jelly> ice9, you'll actually get to install mariadb-server-10.1 in the end but that's okay
• 1846[14:14:12] <ice9> jelly, mariadb-server : Depends: mariadb-server-10.3 (>= 1:10.3.22-1) but it is not going to be installed
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• 1848[14:14:47] <ice9> jelly, that's my sources.list replaced-url
• 1849[14:15:56] <dvs> !frankendebian
• 1850[14:15:56] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 1854[14:19:29] <mutante> ice9: you might be lucky if you remove line 11 and apt-get update and try again
• 1855[14:19:48] <mutante> otherwise.. yea..reinstall
• 1856[14:20:57] <ice9> reinstall system??
• 1857[14:21:30] <mutante> yea, because you mixed different versions
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• 1859[14:22:03] <ice9> what if I added mysql PPA?
• 1860[14:22:07] <ChrisH> yes
• 1861[14:22:12] <mutante> "testing" is very different from stretch
• 1862[14:22:32] <ChrisH> ups... I did not answer anything.
• 1863[14:22:37] <joepublic> adding various random repositories is not the answer, unfortunately, but rather the problem
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• 1865[14:23:47] <mutante> ice9: no, more like remove the 'testing' part from sources and only use stretch. and then do an upgrade to buster and then install mariadb package
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• 1871[14:25:01] <mutante> reinstall with stable is the cleanest and probably does not take any longer
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• 1876[14:26:15] <ice9> it's a VPS!
• 1877[14:26:42] <joepublic> it's a FrankenDebian VPS!
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• 1880[14:27:39] <mutante> ice9: rsync data to somewhere else, delete VPS, create new VPS with buster, rsync data back ?
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• 1882[14:28:05] * HoardingTP has 65 rolls!!!!!!!!!
• 1883[14:28:22] <mutante> or have 2 VPS for a few days until you got it all migrated
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• 1886[14:30:47] <Haohmaru> wew, such mafia
• 1887[14:31:14] <mutante> he got TPed by opers
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• 1890[14:31:35] <dvs> it worked!
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• 1893[14:32:38] <commandlinux> Hello! i Just installed debian on my pc and it doesnt load a gui session, altough i installed kde, just command line, help?
• 1894[14:32:56] <watom> how you installaed kde?
• 1895[14:33:14] <commandlinux> The options box during install
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• 1897[14:33:26] <Haohmaru> you probably don't have a login manager thing
• 1898[14:33:29] <dvs> apt install sddm
• 1899[14:33:51] <trek00> commandlinux: you can start it manually with startx
• 1900[14:34:13] <commandlinux> sddm installed, started it
• 1901[14:34:18] <commandlinux> with startx
• 1902[14:34:41] <commandlinux> I dont want to have to do this every time, possible fix?
• 1903[14:34:59] <Haohmaru> commandlinux you already have sddm and yet you end up in text mode?
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• 1905[14:35:19] <commandlinux> Yep, when i typed it in it said no packages to instal/update/upgrade
• 1906[14:35:35] <trek00> commandlinux: may be after a reboot, sddm wil started automatically?
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• 1909[14:35:49] <Haohmaru> i don't have experience with kde (i hate it) .. maybe try lightdm?
• 1910[14:35:49] <commandlinux> Maybe, ill reboot
• 1911[14:36:00] <commandlinux> I love kde since i tried it on manjaro
• 1912[14:36:11] <Haohmaru> my condolesence
• 1913[14:36:11] <commandlinux> And kde connect is bomb
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• 1915[14:36:22] <watom> commandlinux try dpkg-reconfigure sddm
• 1916[14:36:36] <commandlinux> Ok, ill reconfigure and reboot
• 1917[14:37:36] <commandlinux> Command line again
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• 1919[14:37:58] <abrotman> commandlinux: how did you install kde? and how did you install xorg?
• 1920[14:37:59] <Haohmaru> try installing lightdm
• 1921[14:38:11] <watom> abrotman commandlinux> The options box during install
• 1922[14:38:22] <Haohmaru> it smells wrong tho
• 1923[14:38:32] <commandlinux> Didnt install xorg manually, shouldnt it do so automatically?
• 1924[14:38:36] <abrotman> no
• 1925[14:38:43] <Haohmaru> if you're installing kde or anything from netinst, it should "just work"
• 1926[14:39:03] <commandlinux> Ok, how do i install xorg?
• 1927[14:39:10] <dvs> installed from a live CD?
• 1928[14:39:13] <Haohmaru> you must already have it
• 1929[14:39:17] <commandlinux> usb, yes
• 1930[14:39:19] <jm_> commandlinux: what does 'systemctl get-default' show?
• 1931[14:39:21] <abrotman> commandlinux: if you're not sure if everything is installed .. install xorg kde kdm
• 1932[14:39:27] <abrotman> try that , see how that goes
• 1933[14:39:44] <commandlinux> Ok, let me switch to pc so i can paste easily
• 1934[14:39:49] <Haohmaru> abrotman shouldn't it be like "task-kde" instead?
• 1935[14:40:00] <Haohmaru> or task-kde-desktop or however it was
• 1936[14:40:08] <watom> i'd not mess with apt or we will never understand what went wrong
• 1937[14:40:16] <abrotman> "options box" is a bit vague, let's make sure
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• 1939[14:41:06] <commandlinepc> Ok, tis me
• 1940[14:41:10] <commandlinepc> Hold on
• 1941[14:41:36] <Haohmaru> hurry up.. i can't hold it.. much.. longer..
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• 1943[14:41:54] <watom> you should really check ssdm status. "systemctl status ssdm"
• 1944[14:41:57] <commandlinepc> jm_ graphical.target
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• 1946[14:43:10] <commandlinepc> Is there some command so i can pastebin into chat
• 1947[14:43:19] <commandlinepc> Some troubles with xorg kde kdm
• 1948[14:43:29] <Haohmaru> commandlinepc did you see something fishy before you end up in text mode? like, maybe some errors/warnings about your video card?
• 1949[14:43:45] <Haohmaru> iirc kde might expect fancy video card
• 1950[14:43:46] <trek00> commandlinepc: replaced-url
• 1951[14:43:50] <jm_> commandlinepc: 'systemctl show graphical.target' will show units it depends on, there should be sddm.service among them, is it?
• 1952[14:44:00] <commandlinepc> Text too fast
• 1953[14:44:07] <commandlinepc> Hold on
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• 1955[14:44:24] <commandlinepc> replaced-url
• 1956[14:44:33] <commandlinepc> This is my output for install kde kdm xorg
• 1957[14:44:49] <commandlinepc> i have an rx460 as gpu
• 1958[14:44:52] <watom> journalct | grep ssdm would be great
• 1959[14:44:59] <commandlinepc> Hold ooon
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• 1961[14:45:09] <Haohmaru> i think you're not supposed to "install kde" but something else like task-kde-desktop or some such
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• 1963[14:46:04] <commandlinepc> This is sustemctl replaced-url
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• 1965[14:46:34] <commandlinepc> journalct isnt a command?
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• 1969[14:46:50] <watom> journalctl :D
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• 1971[14:47:08] <watom> watom> you should really check ssdm status. "systemctl status ssdm"
• 1972[14:47:13] <commandlinepc> Does nothing
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• 1975[14:47:25] <commandlinepc> aka no output
• 1976[14:47:29] <watom> it means ssdm doesn't even try to start
• 1977[14:47:38] <watom> did you dpkg-reconfigure it?
• 1978[14:47:53] <commandlinepc> Yes, and rebooted as said earlier
• 1979[14:48:10] <Haohmaru> i'd try installing lightdm ;P~
• 1980[14:48:17] <jm_> even 'systemctl status ssdm.service' does not work?
• 1981[14:48:43] <watom> it's really weird is not yet there after a dpkg-reconfigure
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• 1983[14:48:56] <commandlinepc> systemctl status ssdm.serviceUnit ssdm.service could not be found.
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• 1985[14:49:18] <watom> where did you grab that debian installer?
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• 1988[14:50:15] <commandlinepc> Firmware_netinst a friend gave me to try, installed it on my laptop yesterday, upgraded to testing, works fine
• 1989[14:50:18] <dvs> watom, will you stop misspelling "sddm"
• 1990[14:50:27] <jm_> bleh sorry
• 1991[14:50:37] <jm_> 'systemctl status sddm.service'
• 1992[14:50:38] <commandlinepc> Oh, let me try sddm
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• 1994[14:50:45] <jm_> I just spotted that too :)
• 1995[14:51:30] <Haohmaru> do you have "task-kde-desktop" installed?
• 1996[14:51:42] <commandlinepc> replaced-url
• 1997[14:51:44] <abrotman> TOO MANY COOKS
• 1998[14:51:45] <commandlinepc> Let me check
• 1999[14:51:49] <commandlinepc> YES
• 2000[14:51:52] <noln> Install task-kde-desktop for a full install, kde-plasma-desktop plasma-nm for minimal install (plasmashell + kwin)
• 2001[14:51:52] <commandlinepc> TOO MANY
• 2002[14:52:08] <commandlinepc> task-kde-desktop installed
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• 2006[14:52:24] <watom> dvs i didn't start that mispelling sir :x
• 2007[14:52:26] <Haohmaru> weird then
• 2008[14:52:27] <commandlinepc> So i shouldnt need to try minimal
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• 2011[14:52:52] <Haohmaru> well, something is very fishy
• 2012[14:52:52] <noln> cat /var/log/sddm.log
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• 2014[14:53:09] <commandlinepc> no output
• 2015[14:53:12] <dvs> <watom> it means ssdm doesn't even try to start
• 2016[14:53:24] <dvs> <watom> watom> you should really check ssdm status. "systemctl status ssdm"
• 2017[14:53:49] <commandlinepc> was the last one aimed at me?
• 2018[14:53:54] <dvs> no
• 2019[14:53:59] <commandlinepc> Kk
• 2020[14:54:00] <noln> wait, you're on testing not stable?
• 2021[14:54:18] <commandlinepc> Im on stable rn, my laptop is on testing perfectly fine with kde
• 2022[14:54:18] <Haohmaru> aww, call teh police
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• 2025[14:55:22] <watom> dvs oh. apparently i mispelled after a bit. could be related i'm buying an ssd
• 2026[14:56:03] <Haohmaru> it's a sign - don't buy the ssd ;P~
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• 2029[14:56:27] <watom> right i should slow down
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• 2031[14:57:53] <commandlinepc> Any further possible diagnostics/fixes?
• 2032[14:58:07] <commandlinepc> Should i mb just reinstall
• 2033[14:58:12] <upindaclub> can anyone please clarify how long oldstable is supported for? one official source says '1 year after stable release', another 'june 2022'
• 2034[14:58:14] <commandlinepc> Since its fresh anyway
• 2035[14:58:38] <joepublic> commandlinepc, sudo tasksel, select debian desktop environment and kde, see what you get?
• 2036[14:58:52] <abrotman> dpkg: tell upindaclub about lts
• 2037[14:58:55] <dvs> upindaclub, June 30, 2020
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• 2039[14:59:03] <dvs> someone already asked that today
• 2040[14:59:16] <mutante> upindaclub: i think the difference is who does the security updates and whether you want to rely on LTS or not replaced-url
• 2041[14:59:18] <jm_> commandlinepc: try running startx manually and see what happens
• 2042[14:59:47] <commandlinepc> I cant paste an imgur link?
• 2043[15:00:03] <upindaclub> yes, it is on the LTS page (replaced-url
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• 2046[15:00:42] <jm_> why do you want to paste imgur link?
• 2047[15:00:50] <commandlinepc> i.imgur.com/NShT8PB.png
• 2048[15:00:54] <commandlinepc> Kde installed
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• 2051[15:02:12] <abrotman> upindaclub: that's what it seems like from reading that page, there is a #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net if you want to follow up with them
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• 2054[15:03:15] <upindaclub> abrotman: thanks, i will do that to clear up my confusion
• 2055[15:03:42] <watom> commandlinepc update-alternatives --query x-session-manager output?
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• 2059[15:04:48] <commandlinepc> replaced-url
• 2060[15:04:52] <mutante> upindaclub: replaced-url
• 2061[15:05:35] <commandlinepc> As said, should i just try reinstalling if it should from out of the box from netinstall?
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• 2063[15:05:40] <mutante> i could imagine giving an exact date to be counter productive. everybody would delay until last 24hours and then ddos the servers :p
• 2064[15:05:42] <commandlinepc> *should work
• 2065[15:06:40] <watom> if you will not change the media installer i presume you will get the same outcome
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• 2067[15:07:17] <commandlinux> Ill download the netinstall from the website and try, mb this ones cursed by my friend
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• 2069[15:07:33] <commandlinux> Idk lol
• 2070[15:07:37] <watom> did you check every tty?
• 2071[15:07:45] <commandlinux> tty?
• 2072[15:07:48] <watom> maybe is actually started bit you are on the wrong tty
• 2073[15:08:01] <commandlinux> Ok, lemme type
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• 2076[15:08:16] <commandlinepc> tty/dev/pts/1
• 2077[15:08:29] <commandlinepc> tty /dev/pts/1
• 2078[15:08:35] <commandlinepc> more like this
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• 2082[15:09:25] <watom> run "ps ax | grep sddm"
• 2083[15:10:25] <commandlinepc> 615 ? Ssl 0:00 /usr/bin/sddm 2271 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep sddm
• 2084[15:11:47] <watom> you can change displayed tty with ctrl+alt+f1 and so on
• 2085[15:12:14] <Haohmaru> i find my desktop usually on ctrl+alt+F7 (but it's not kde)
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• 2087[15:12:15] <commandlinepc> Whats tty and how tight is her pussy
• 2088[15:12:22] <commandlinepc> (its jibberish to me, pls elaborate)
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• 2090[15:12:32] <Haohmaru> commandlinepc pls, there are kids here
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• 2094[15:13:12] <watom> at the login screen. use ctrl+alt+f1...f12 to move through other "screens"
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• 2097[15:13:21] <Haohmaru> commandlinepc in text mode you have a number of "screens" basically, you can log on to each of them and switch between them
• 2098[15:13:23] <watom> maybe on some of them there is your kde
• 2099[15:13:30] <commandlinepc> Ok, lemme reboot
• 2100[15:13:31] <jm_> i imagine if ctrl-alt-f7 works we'll see 'Quit: commandlinepc (broken pipe)'
• 2101[15:13:32] <Haohmaru> one of them usually goes for your desktop session
• 2102[15:13:41] <commandlinepc> Brb
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• 2182[15:16:06] <dvs> go away!
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• 2190[15:16:27] <commandlinepc> Saw some flickering, but same shit on all f-x
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• 2227[15:18:38] <commandlinepc> Ill just try the netinstall from the website and report back
• 2228[15:18:46] <commandlinepc> Its almost done writing
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• 2231[15:18:56] <dvs> do you have WiFi?
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• 2233[15:19:04] <commandlinepc> LAN
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• 2236[15:19:07] <dvs> ok
• 2237[15:19:22] <Haohmaru> you could've tried lightdm or another login manager
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• 2241[15:20:12] <commandlinepc> im not switching des, debian really should be able to do kde, one of the most popular ones, especially as im writing the iso on said debian kde from my laptop
• 2242[15:20:29] <Haohmaru> lightdm is only a login manager
• 2243[15:20:30] <commandlinepc> K, done writing, will report back, thx for the help so far
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• 2245[15:20:49] <commandlinepc> Oh, sry
• 2246[15:20:51] <Haohmaru> you can have 5 DEs and use lightdm to "log in" and "choose which DE"
• 2247[15:20:59] <commandlinepc> Ye, got it
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• 2249[15:21:07] <commandlinepc> Let me give it one last try
• 2250[15:21:15] <commandlinepc> How do i setup its start
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• 2252[15:21:15] <Haohmaru> since sddm isn't doing its job for some reason
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• 2254[15:21:45] <Haohmaru> just install lightdm and you should get that screen that asks you which one should be default (sddm or lightdm), choose lightdm
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• 2256[15:22:00] <commandlinepc> Yup, alrdy did it
• 2257[15:22:25] <commandlinepc> As one says in russian- hope dies last, imma reboot
• 2258[15:22:39] <Haohmaru> >:)
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• 2262[15:24:24] <commandlinepc> Lightdm works yeeee
• 2263[15:24:40] <Haohmaru> ;P~
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• 2265[15:24:54] <Haohmaru> well, you have your kde now x_x
• 2266[15:25:15] <commandlinepc> Thanks for all the help all :)
• 2267[15:25:30] <commandlinepc> Now ill go testing
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• 2269[15:26:05] <dvs> -_-
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• 2275[15:29:21] <commandlinepc> although first ill go to the market, its rona time in germany and i dont want it to be packed
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• 2277[15:29:58] <dvs> Rona? Why do you need lumber? ;-P
• 2278[15:30:10] <commandlinepc> Lel
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• 2281[15:30:33] <commandlinepc> Aight, im out, thx for the help and cya at next debian escapades of mine
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• 2310[15:43:51] <dff> hi all, looking for an email client with a decent gui and support for gpg.
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• 2312[15:44:54] <dff> thunderbird with engimail?
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• 2314[15:45:00] <dff> enigmail*
• 2315[15:45:01] <tapoxi> dff: yep
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• 2317[15:45:55] <tapoxi> probably your best option. geary has some preliminary support
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• 2322[15:46:32] <tomreyn> there is none, but thunderbird + enigmail is usable.
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• 2327[15:50:28] <xormor> this is my homepage: replaced-url
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• 2329[15:51:09] <xormor> I port scanned myself, and I saw the services it was running, but I do not know if the versions have security holes.
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• 2352[16:01:07] <BoBeR> Hello, how do I upgrade python2 to python3
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• 2361[16:04:31] <mutante> BoBeR: i heard there is a "2to3" script but it still needs manual checking :/
• 2362[16:04:41] <mutante> if that's what you mean
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• 2364[16:05:19] <mutante> BoBeR: do you mean upgrading python code or upgrading Debian packages?
• 2365[16:05:30] <BoBeR> upgrading the packages
• 2366[16:05:33] <BoBeR> I installed python3
• 2367[16:05:43] <BoBeR> I need to use pip to install "sopel" bot
• 2368[16:05:45] <mutante> ah, yea, that sounds right
• 2369[16:05:49] <BoBeR> but I get an error
• 2370[16:05:57] <BoBeR> ImportError: cannot import name 'main' from 'pip' (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pip/__init__.py)
• 2371[16:06:10] <mutante> did you make sure you actually have to use pip and can't avoid it by using a distro pacakge?
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• 2373[16:06:57] <noln> Install python3-pip and run pip3 install ...
• 2374[16:07:01] <noln> Mind the 3 in pip3
• 2375[16:07:10] <BoBeR> I did and I get that error
• 2376[16:07:21] <BoBeR> !dpkg sopel
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• 2381[16:08:02] <coey> Ayy, I'm new to Debian and Linux. Last night i installed the propriety nvidia graphic drivers. I did so before enabling multiarch, and I get a libgl error when launching Steam. I tried installing the 32-bit drivers and now apt says that I have broken package; fix install doesn't work. This is my terminal output, the solution to this is probably simple but I'd appreciate any help you can send my way. Thanks!
• 2382[16:08:05] <coey> replaced-url
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• 2385[16:08:47] <mutante> yet another case where they claim pip makes it soo easy but it actually does not. " Installing with pip will “just handle” dependencies for you, so you won’t need to do so manually "
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• 2387[16:09:06] <noln> it is, his install is borked presumably
• 2388[16:09:22] <mutante> "Sopel requires Python 2.7.x or Python 3.3+ to run. Under Python 2.7, Sopel requires backports.ssl_match_hostname to be installed. Use pip install backports.ssl_match_hostname"
• 2389[16:09:24] <noln> Anyway python3 is preinstalled, it coexists with python2
• 2390[16:09:45] <BoBeR> pip3 list crashes aswell
• 2391[16:09:49] <BoBeR> this is not a sopel bug
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• 2395[16:10:06] <trek00> coey: you already did dpkg --add-architecture i386?
• 2396[16:10:20] <coey> I did! I did it a few minutes ago.
• 2397[16:10:29] <mutante> is the bug mixing stuff from multiple package managers?
• 2398[16:10:50] <trek00> coey: do you know how to use aptitude?
• 2399[16:11:03] <coey> No, I don't.
• 2400[16:11:12] <BoBeR> mutante, is that to me?
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• 2402[16:11:17] <sponix> nevivurn: Glad you got it working
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• 2404[16:12:00] <BoBeR> replaced-url
• 2405[16:12:15] <mutante> BoBeR: yea, somewhat. proper sopel package and avoiding pip maybe. replaced-url
• 2406[16:12:40] <trek00> coey: it seems you have enabled backports and when you install nvidia drivers for i386 it search for version 440, but you have installed version 418
• 2407[16:12:48] <BoBeR> sopel in debian is 6.x I'm using 7.x in python2
• 2408[16:12:54] <BoBeR> I do not want to downgrade
• 2409[16:13:17] <coey> Hmm.. Yeah, I enabled backports last night. What should I do?
• 2410[16:13:32] <mutante> BoBeR: my experience is a lot of issues with mixing pip and distro packages and also pip does not clean up after itself when you remove stuff ..causing surprises
• 2411[16:13:57] <trek00> coey: you can try: 1) to disable backports and try to install again nvidia for i386 or 2) upgrade nvidia 64-bit to backports version (440) and then add nvidia for i386
• 2412[16:14:34] <ikus060> Hello, I'm trying to create a control file to genrate packages for debian buster and stretch. I see "python3-distutils" is a new package in buster that doesn't exists in stretch. What is the best way to manage this ?
• 2413[16:14:36] <trek00> coey: sorry my analysis is not true
• 2414[16:14:52] <coey> Oh, really? That's fine, no worries.
• 2415[16:15:00] <coey> I'm not in a hurry here or anything, hah
• 2416[16:15:03] <trek00> coey: you already have 440 version for 64 bit, but may be backports are not enabled for i386?
• 2417[16:15:15] <coey> Hmm...
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• 2419[16:16:21] <trek00> coey: you done apt update after dpkg --add-architecture?
• 2420[16:16:29] <coey> I did, yeah
• 2421[16:17:53] <trek00> coey: may be try to type apt-get install -t buster-backports nvidia-driver nvidia-driver-libs-i386 nvidia-vulkan-icd nvidia-vulkan-icd:i386
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• 2423[16:18:16] <karlpinc> BoBeR: If you want to use pip/pypi you should do so in virtual environments.
• 2424[16:18:42] <karlpinc> BoBeR: Using pip as root breaks apt.
• 2425[16:20:04] <coey> It works! Thanks!
• 2426[16:20:12] <trek00> coey: nice :)
• 2427[16:20:27] <BoBeR> karlpinc: venv is not found
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• 2450[16:30:19] <BoBeR> python3 -m pip install --force-reinstall pip worked for me
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• 2454[16:31:00] <noln> it's python3-venv
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• 2475[16:42:52] <u53r_4n0n_10> why i must kill once and again network-manager?
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• 2477[16:43:39] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: it is not responding?
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• 2480[16:44:29] <u53r_4n0n_10> ttg yes
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• 2482[16:44:50] <u53r_4n0n_10> if not, i won't be here
• 2483[16:45:04] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: it was just to understand
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• 2486[16:46:10] <ice9> erig, i did "firewall-cmd --permanent --zone=drop --add-rich-rule='rule family=ipv4 port protocol="tcp" port="80" accept'" but iptables-save | grep 80 doesn't show up the rule
• 2487[16:46:23] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: may be it is a bug of network-manager or the graphical applet you use, that depends by your desktop environment
• 2488[16:46:34] <u53r_4n0n_10> cinnamon
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• 2490[16:47:50] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: i can't find bug reports about this issue, may be you can search on the logs for some related error message?
• 2491[16:47:58] <u53r_4n0n_10> but i kill it with sudo htop, and it works
• 2492[16:48:49] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: it should not freeze, if it does, may be it prints an error message or it is a bug
• 2493[16:49:06] <ice9> i did "firewall-cmd --permanent --zone=drop --add-rich-rule='rule family=ipv4 port protocol="tcp" port="80" accept'" but iptables-save | grep 80 doesn't show up the rule, anyidea?
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• 2497[16:50:10] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: may be you can read the file .xsession-errors inside your home directory
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• 2500[16:53:06] <u53r_4n0n_10> what should i search in the output that you mentioned?
• 2501[16:53:17] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: something relatedo to network-manager
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• 2504[16:54:08] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: if you can't find a solution, may be you can uninstall network-manager and try with wicd package, that is similar
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• 2506[16:54:37] <jrg> Is there a reason why tmux for Debian doesn’t have the -s option to name the session?
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• 2509[16:56:23] <u53r_4n0n_10> no. i've tried the inverse (uninstall wicd and try w/ network-manager), and i cannot uninstall it, despite i ran it with sudo
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• 2513[16:57:06] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: sorry i don't know how to help, may be others here will reply
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• 2516[16:59:05] <noln> jrg, tmux new -s myname # works here
• 2517[16:59:29] <u53r_4n0n_10> well, you've don so far. thanks. i'll try to start a session with root, it could helps?
• 2518[16:59:41] <jrg> noln: weird. i'm getting -s has no option
• 2519[17:00:01] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: no, you should never run X as root
• 2520[17:00:02] <noln> paste.debian.net
• 2521[17:00:18] <u53r_4n0n_10> why?
• 2522[17:00:19] <jrg> tmux: unknown option -- s
• 2523[17:00:29] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: it could brings to you more issues
• 2524[17:00:53] <u53r_4n0n_10> oh, thanks. but what it's sudo then?
• 2525[17:00:57] <noln> mind the "new"
• 2526[17:01:04] <noln> tmux -s will error out
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• 2528[17:01:28] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: sudo is to launch only some commands as root, not the whole session
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• 2530[17:02:09] <InvisibleRasta> how can i make it so when i close my laptop lid it doesnt go in standby?
• 2531[17:02:27] <u53r_4n0n_10> where i can practice? i have been trying with a few know
• 2532[17:02:32] <u53r_4n0n_10> or lear
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• 2537[17:03:55] <mutante> InvisibleRasta: for me it's System -> Preferences -> Hardware -> Power Management -> "When laptop lid is closed.." (i use MATE (old Gnome))
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• 2539[17:04:15] <jrg> noln: ah ok. yeah missed that heh
• 2540[17:04:17] <jrg> my mistake
• 2541[17:04:22] <jrg> let me try it out
• 2542[17:04:23] <InvisibleRasta> mutante, i am running without X
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• 2544[17:04:58] <mutante> InvisibleRasta: replaced-url
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• 2547[17:05:26] <mutante> InvisibleRasta: see the different "targets" there? you may or may not want all of them
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• 2550[17:05:44] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: i don't know, may be reading some articles, forums and do many tests: i've broken may systems to get more experience
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• 2552[17:05:59] <mutante> InvisibleRasta: or what it says about "If you just want to prevent suspending when the lid is closed you can set the following options in /etc/systemd/logind.conf: "
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• 2555[17:06:19] <Akuw> how can i to restart nfs in debian 8 ?
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• 2560[17:06:53] <InvisibleRasta> mutante, grazie
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• 2563[17:07:06] <Akuw> service restart nfs ?
• 2564[17:07:09] <Akuw> right?
• 2565[17:07:11] <mutante> InvisibleRasta: prego
• 2566[17:07:21] <noln> Akuw, should be systemctl restart nfs-kernel-service.service
• 2567[17:07:27] <trek00> Akuw: it should be right
• 2568[17:07:29] <noln> sorry, nfs-kernel-server
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• 2570[17:07:46] <trek00> noln: systemd was default on debian 8?
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• 2572[17:07:59] <noln> ah, missed that, sorry
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• 2576[17:08:14] <u53r_4n0n_10> hum... should i stay with an OS?
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• 2583[17:08:48] <trek00> Akuw: as noln said, the service name is nfs-kernel-server, this you should type: service nfs-kernel-server restart
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• 2596[17:08:59] <ice9> i'm getting this error after upgrading and can't apply rules, any idea? replaced-url
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• 2609[17:09:39] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: it depends, i tried many OS but i only use linux as main computer
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• 2627[17:10:14] <u53r_4n0n_10> thanks
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• 2638[17:10:59] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: it could help to have an old computer to use for your tests
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• 2659[17:12:40] <trek00> noln: anyway the service command will run fine with or without systemd, it's a wrapper
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• 2666[17:12:50] <u53r_4n0n_10> i've read people furious with systemd
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• 2678[17:13:49] <trek00> u53r_4n0n_10: i don't like it, but it seems to run fine most of the time
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• 2793[17:42:00] <how2test> Hey, guys! Im in the sources list and im not quite sure on how much to edit- do i just need to replace the debian-security sources as noted here? replaced-url
• 2794[17:42:16] <how2test> Want to upgrade to testing
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• 2853[17:45:45] <bouba> how2test, replaced-url
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• 2871[17:47:18] <joepublic> * Don't include third party repos
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• 2875[17:47:40] <how2test> Thx!
• 2876[17:47:51] <how2test> Wont, just want the bare bones
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• 2894[17:51:55] <hattkunskapz> hi, i might have a too old kernel for my os upgrade
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• 2896[17:52:35] <hattkunskapz> can that be done separately?
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• 2906[17:54:55] <joepublic> can your kernel by itself be upgraded to a newer kernel? yes.
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• 2909[17:55:47] <hattkunskapz> ok, just curious why it hasn't been upgraded along with the os
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• 2914[17:57:58] <dvs> hattkunskapz, because that wouldn't be "stable"
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• 2923[18:02:47] <jhutchins> hattkunskapz: Possibly because you failed to read the release/upgrade notes and failed to do a dist-upgrade or full-upgrade.
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• 2930[18:06:55] <idhugo> Can anybody help me understand this log message: audit: type=1400 audit(1585576407.347:381): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/bin/evince" name="/boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-4-amd64" pid=336260 comm="pool-evince" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
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• 2940[18:13:25] <ice9> I restarted firewalld and now there is no rules in iptables-save, any idea?
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• 2944[18:14:20] <hattkunskapz> hmm, likely
• 2945[18:14:30] <hattkunskapz> i have a very old debian kernel
• 2946[18:14:38] <watom> how to list packages installed by default? without any task selected in the installer
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• 2949[18:16:05] <greycat> !standard
• 2950[18:16:05] <dpkg> standard task is, like, a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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• 2954[18:17:20] <watom> thanks
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• 2956[18:17:31] <greycat> so, something like: aptitude search \~prequired \~pimportant ... plus the essentials, which can't be shown so easily, apparently
• 2957[18:17:54] <watom> uhm isn't aptitude like legacy thing'
• 2958[18:18:01] <watom> i don't have that though
• 2959[18:18:22] <lupulo> idhugo, do you use ubuntu?
• 2960[18:18:43] <idhugo> Nope debian testing
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• 2962[18:19:14] <dvs> !debian-next
• 2963[18:19:14] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2968[18:20:50] <greycat> no, aptitude is definitely not "legacy"
• 2969[18:21:29] <watom> also "tasksel --task-packages standard" is showing only iptables here...
• 2970[18:22:03] <watom> it's like listing only what is missing on the system
• 2971[18:23:15] <ChrisH> Debian stretch, following replaced-url
• 2972[18:23:30] <ChrisH> I am unsure what updates were applied between first success tests (2 weeks ago) and reboot on sunday. I added IPv6 to my network on saturday but afterwards it still worked.
• 2973[18:23:31] <greycat> watom: so, that command is wrong. Use aptitude.
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• 2976[18:24:38] <idhugo> lupulo nope debian testing
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• 2980[18:26:46] <lupulo> idhugo, replaced-url
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• 2984[18:27:29] <lupulo> idhugo, perhaps that it used for server like selinux
• 2985[18:28:18] <idhugo> Thanks lupulo, but can you help me understand why the heck does evince wants to access the kernel image?
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• 2988[18:28:57] <idhugo> Or whatever the relation among those... I sincerely just need help undertanding the message... What does it mean
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• 2993[18:30:41] <lupulo> idhugo, you should read the manpages about errors
• 2994[18:30:52] <lupulo> they use uppercase
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• 2997[18:31:27] <idhugo> Thx. Now I see I can understand the error there. The link did not open, but I am running man on the terminal now. Thx lupulo. Thumbs up
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• 3002[18:33:33] <diverdude> Hi, i am trying to do: apt-get install libpq-dev but i get: Unable to locate package libpq-dev. Is it called something else?
• 3003[18:33:53] <greycat> apt-cache search --names-only -- libpq -dev
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• 3005[18:34:13] <greycat> looks like it's still called libpq-dev in buster, at least
• 3006[18:34:28] <greycat> which release are you running, and do you have a valid sources.list?
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• 3010[18:34:50] <diverdude> im on buster
• 3011[18:35:10] <greycat> !buster sources.list
• 3012[18:35:10] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 3017[18:36:13] <diverdude> greycat: ok so apt-get install libpq-dev should be correct right?
• 3018[18:36:46] <greycat> ,v libpq-dev
• 3019[18:36:47] <judd> Package: libpq-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4.18-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 9.4.26-0+deb8u1; stretch: 9.6.16-0+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 9.6.17-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 9.6.17-0+deb9u1; buster: 11.6-0+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 11.7-0+deb10u1; buster-security: 11.7-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 12.2-1+b1; sid: 12.2-4
• 3020[18:37:27] <greycat> make sure your sources.list is correct, and run apt-get update
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• 3022[18:38:21] <diverdude> greycat: its because i am trying to install it on the FROM python:3.8-slim-buster which is a debian buster docker image, so maybe there is some issue with the sources list?
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• 3029[18:41:06] <ChmEarl> diverdude, python in buster should be 3.7
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• 3032[18:42:16] <diverdude> Ah, this is what i need RUN DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get install --no-install-recommends -y build-essential libpq-dev
• 3033[18:42:29] <greycat> He's not using Debian. He's using some Debian derivative.
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• 3036[18:43:13] <BCMM> diverdude: is this a new install, by any chance? have you ever run apt-update?
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• 3038[18:43:19] <BCMM> sorry, apt update
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• 3041[18:43:30] <diverdude> BCMM: its a docker image actually with debian inside
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• 3047[18:43:53] <diverdude> BCMM: but the command i wrote above seems to do what i need
• 3048[18:43:57] <jrg> anybody know if there is a way to get alpine to open elinks to browse?
• 3049[18:44:07] <jrg> i figured it was URL-Viewers but i guess i'm wrong
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• 3052[18:44:53] <BCMM> with the recent mention of docker, it took me waaay too long to work out you were talking about the mailreader, not the distro
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• 3057[18:45:52] <BCMM> diverdude: debian won't be able to install any packages until after you do apt-get update (or an equivalent). that's probably the bit that fixed it, not changing the apt frontend.
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• 3060[18:46:24] <BCMM> (because that's the command that downloads the list of available packages)
• 3061[18:46:27] <diverdude> BCMM: ah yeah ok, that makes sense
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• 3064[18:46:43] <diverdude> BCMM: thanks for the insight
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• 3072[18:47:58] <biys> i have a tl-wn727n usb wireless adapter. i used it for the install of firmware-10.
• 3073[18:48:01] <biys> everything went swimmingly
• 3074[18:48:23] <biys> now that i'm booted into gnome after the install completed i can see the wireless networks i just can't connect to them
• 3075[18:48:26] <biys> any suggestions?
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• 3146[19:23:36] <antto> replaced-url
• 3147[19:23:58] <antto> (all the files came out of the selected .tar.gz file)
• 3148[19:24:35] <luna_> antto: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
• 3149[19:24:45] <antto> i've installed .deb packages before with gdebi, but i don't think it was a program made of so many packages
• 3150[19:25:30] <antto> also, i have codeblocks installed at the moment, the normal way (version 16.01 from synaptic)
• 3151[19:25:39] <antto> i guess i wanna uninstall it first?
• 3152[19:25:52] <sney> the newer version will upgrade over the old one
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• 3154[19:26:11] <luna_> hm no idea maybe sudo apt remove codeblocks
• 3155[19:26:15] <luna_> and sudo dpkg -i *.deb
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• 3166[19:28:17] <biys> why would a wireless adapter work for the install but not work once booted into the new install?
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• 3168[19:28:43] <antto> requires "non-free" driver?
• 3169[19:29:19] <sney> if the driver worked in the installer then it should work in the system as well
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• 3174[19:30:45] <biys> i used the non-free installer from the website
• 3175[19:30:48] <biys> everything went well
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• 3178[19:31:01] <biys> soon as i boot into the system, i can see the wireless networks avaialbe, they just don't connect
• 3179[19:31:28] <sney> what happens when you try?
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• 3181[19:31:53] <biys> i select the network from the list. i enter the appropriate password
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• 3185[19:32:36] <biys> it sits for a minute then gives me...
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• 3187[19:33:05] <biys> connection failed activation of network connection failed
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• 3195[19:36:21] <sney> this might be worth a shot: replaced-url
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• 3198[19:36:56] <sney> otherwise try the 'command line' instructions on the same page and see if you get a clearer error message
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• 3201[19:37:44] <disillusion> can someone provide a good link explaining what supercedes ufw settings? I'm asking this because I sometimes set rules with ufw and they're not adhered to.
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• 3203[19:38:10] <disillusion> It also makes me wonder if most Debian users edit iptables directly rather than using an "easy" tool such as ufw
• 3204[19:38:46] <howtorx> Hello! Can somebody tell me how id go about installing drivers for my rx460? I think i saw them missing during boot text and the only ones i find are for ubuntu
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• 3206[19:39:22] <sney> howtorx: enable non-free and install the firmware-amd-graphics package and reboot. the "driver" is already present in the linux kernel, you just need some extra components to enable all of the features
• 3207[19:39:49] <disillusion> for example, I get people connected on OpenVPN, using the 10.9.0.0/24 allocation, and I allow traffic to port 443. And yet, in the ufw logs, I see traffice from 10.9.0.0/24 addresses being blocked access to port 443. And yet, the clients are still able to access it, though sometimes there are failures.
• 3208[19:39:55] <Boohbah> sney: Do current debian kernels not support the free AMD drivers?
• 3209[19:40:17] <howtorx> Im on testing, if its relevant
• 3210[19:40:21] <antto> if i want to manually specify which packages i want.. would it be dpkg -i p1.deb p2.deb p3.deb ...?
• 3211[19:40:23] <Boohbah> sney: Or is it just the firmware that's nonfree?
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• 3216[19:40:40] <sney> disillusion: I haven't used ufw, but with firewalls the order of the rules is important. so if you have a rule that doesn't seem to be matching traffic, the traffic in question is probably matching an earlier rule
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• 3218[19:41:02] <sney> Boohbah: correct, the "free" amdgpu driver still requires non-free firmware in most cases
• 3219[19:41:19] <sney> antto: yep
• 3220[19:41:22] <disillusion> sney, is there a config file which shows the order of rules?
• 3221[19:41:32] <sney> see: "I haven't used ufw"
• 3222[19:41:36] <disillusion> I want to know what to look at
• 3223[19:41:47] <sney> there is probably a manual somewhere.
• 3224[19:42:47] <disillusion> what I can say is that ufw used to work great around 2016, with Debian 8 and Ubuntu 16.04. But something happened after then and things stopped being easy and straight forward.
• 3225[19:43:17] * disillusion misses the good old days when a simple setting in ufw told the system what to do
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• 3228[19:44:32] <howtorx> Just installed the graphics, thanks, ill reboot!
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• 3234[19:47:47] <JTechno> hello folks
• 3235[19:47:55] <luna_> hi
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• 3237[19:48:50] <disillusion> It was around 2016 when I thought Debian and derivatives worked so well for a server that I was bored with it. Now we're back to an era of adventure and I'm missing the days when I could set up a server in my sleep.
• 3238[19:48:56] <JTechno> I want to install debian to a software raid 0 with two identical hdds, should I add both drives to the raid and the partition or should I partition both disks and then add the partitions to the raid?
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• 3241[19:50:32] <JTechno> I'm totally new to raid, I tried to google the question but I didn't find a satisfactory answer
• 3242[19:50:54] <trek00> JTechno: it could be both, but i suggest you to add only partitions to raid, not disks
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• 3244[19:51:51] <JTechno> so let's say I need three partitions for EFI, swap and root, should I make the three partitions to both disks?
• 3245[19:51:57] <howtorx> Hey, how do i check if i run the correct drivers?
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• 3247[19:52:19] <trek00> JTechno: yes, but EFI can't be on raid
• 3248[19:52:36] <trek00> JTechno: and are you sure you want raid0 and not raid1?
• 3249[19:53:01] <JTechno> yes it is 0 what I want, for performance not fault tolerance
• 3250[19:53:09] <trek00> JTechno: also do not add swap to raid, only root
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• 3252[19:53:47] <JTechno> ok, thank you
• 3253[19:53:52] <trek00> JTechno: ok, then you need only one efi partition to boot, you can make two swap partition (but not in raid, they are managed like raid0 automatically)
• 3254[19:54:05] <trek00> and two root partitions to be in raid
• 3255[19:54:16] <JTechno> do they need to be of the same size?
• 3256[19:54:32] <trek00> JTechno: for optimal performance, yes
• 3257[19:54:39] <JTechno> ok
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• 3260[19:54:49] <JTechno> thank you very much
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• 3262[19:55:08] <trek00> JTechno: and if it is not an ssd, make them on the same part of the disk (different parts have different speed)
• 3263[19:55:26] <JTechno> I understand
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• 3267[19:58:23] <trek00> howtorx: if you have xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu and firmware-amd-graphics it's ok
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• 3269[19:59:09] <howtorx> K, thx :)
• 3270[19:59:39] <howtorx> Any guesses on when kde 5.18 will come to testing?
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• 3272[19:59:53] <trek00> howtorx: you can try to run glxgears or some opengl app
• 3273[20:00:31] <howtorx> Already tried dota client, seemed fine
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• 3275[20:01:26] <howtorx> Every linux i tried my favourite dota arcade keeps crashing, if it wont work on debian i doubt itll work anywhere else
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• 3277[20:01:47] <pasiz> raid 0 cannot be on different size partitions
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• 3290[20:06:47] <mason> trek00: EFI can be on MD-RAID1 if you use metadata 1.0 or earlier.
• 3291[20:07:29] <mutante> /win 4
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• 3296[20:08:12] <trek00> mason: it needs a raid0 root partition, so if one disk fails, no need to have a rescue efi partition
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• 3299[20:08:53] <trek00> he needs, not it
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• 3301[20:09:12] <mason> trek00: I'd missed the desire for RAID 0. Wouldn't recommend that for much of anything.
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• 3303[20:09:35] <pasiz> would be awesome, all of my data is lost, but my efi partition is intact ;)
• 3304[20:09:42] <trek00> :D
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• 3306[20:10:50] <dmt> Hiya, I've got a new install of Buster that keeps making ~/.themes and ~/.icons but I want those directories under ~/.local/share, or $XDG_DATA_HOME. Any ideas on what I should do/where I should look for info?
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• 3311[20:12:51] <trek00> dmt: may be some apps you use does not follow xdg specs
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• 3313[20:13:56] <pasiz> dmt: what dm you are running
• 3314[20:14:54] <dmt> I'm running lightdm and the mate DE
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• 3343[20:27:49] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> @dmt: just wondering if perhaps its worth trying moving ~/.icons etc to other locations and then recreating ~/.icons as a symbolic link pointing to the desired locations? - try in vm maybe, i'm no expert
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• 3345[20:28:59] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> so your ~/.icons symoblic link points to ~/local/share locations
• 3346[20:29:10] <u53r_4n0n_10> I'll SICK
• 3347[20:29:37] <u53r_4n0n_10> I'll do a wipe of ALL the programs that I've installed without necessity
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• 3352[20:30:34] <dmt> @FSF-GNU-Soldier, That's a good suggestion. Unfortunately that's not entirely suitable for me because I'm just trying to get rid of having a cluttered $HOME, so I'd still end up with 2 extra items in my `ls -la`.
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• 3355[20:31:55] <dmt> Whatever is making these directories doesn't seem to be populating them with anything, I just end up with 2 empty directories in my ~ which I'm trying to get rid of. I think @pasiz had a good point that it may be the DM, I'm trying to see if I can find some info on whether they support XDG spec.
• 3356[20:32:06] <trek00> dmt: try to delete these folders, then launch your apps one by one and check if folders are recreated and by which app
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• 3358[20:32:48] <greycat> another approach is to remove the directory, create a *file* with that name, and then see if one of your applications generates an error message. for even more fun, set the immutable bit on the file.
• 3359[20:33:14] <trek00> nice one :)
• 3360[20:33:21] <LowercaseSigma> ello
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• 3363[20:34:37] <trek00> greycat: i use this method to prevent unwanted star of firefox on some users
• 3364[20:35:00] <dmt> Found the culprit! Thanks @trek00. Appears to be `mate-appearance` that's causing this.
• 3365[20:35:29] <u53r_4n0n_10> Mate? mate-de?
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• 3367[20:35:42] <dmt> @u53r_4n0n_10, yep.
• 3368[20:35:58] <u53r_4n0n_10> I didn't installed it
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• 3370[20:36:38] <trek00> dmt: :)
• 3371[20:36:44] <u53r_4n0n_10> It was not made based on gnome2?
• 3372[20:36:59] <dmt> u53r_4n0n_10: Oh, I was referring to my own issue, sorry.
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• 3374[20:37:31] <nlpqda> why debian 10 (buster), keeps failing starting all applications with prefexed by sudo from terminal?
• 3375[20:37:40] <u53r_4n0n_10> oh, ait
• 3376[20:37:42] <nlpqda> e.g. sudo gedit | sudo gparted
• 3377[20:37:54] <nlpqda> Gtk-WARNING
• 3378[20:38:25] <u53r_4n0n_10> wait, i have deb 10 i386 and I've being having some problems...
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• 3387[20:42:39] <LowercaseSigma> hello
• 3388[20:42:51] <LowercaseSigma> Anyone have website ideas?
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• 3395[20:44:34] <trek00> nlpqda: because it is not recommended to launch graphical apps as root
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• 3399[20:45:57] <diverdude> i am getting: `WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.` is that because i do apt install instead of apt-get install ?
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• 3402[20:46:26] <trek00> diverdude: yes, if you need to put it in a script, just use apt-get
• 3403[20:46:38] <diverdude> aha ok
• 3404[20:46:48] <b1ack0p> diverdude: i read you as "driverdude" :p
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• 3406[20:46:57] <diverdude> hahaha
• 3407[20:47:03] <nlpqda> trek00: to be more accurate "it's prohibited" this way
• 3408[20:47:04] <greycat> and *that's* why I ignore users with Docker questions...
• 3409[20:47:07] <b1ack0p> lol
• 3410[20:47:25] <diverdude> greycat: why?
• 3411[20:47:25] <nlpqda> trek00: I still need to take my freedom/risks
• 3412[20:47:59] <u53r_4n0n_10> Ready!
• 3413[20:48:05] <u53r_4n0n_10> Bye
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• 3416[20:48:12] <trek00> nlpqda: try with pkexec instead of sudo, install policykit-1
• 3417[20:48:15] <greycat> "I'm starting with an image, and I plan to install it a billion trillion times, but my actual end goal is an installation with some changed stuff, so instead of changing the IMAGE, I plan to write the world's worst bash script, so that after installing the image, I can download and install new pacakges on it. a billion trillion times."
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• 3420[20:48:42] <greycat> "why don't you just change the image ONCE..." "Because DOCKER!!!"
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• 3422[20:49:01] <BCMM> LowercaseSigma: well, that's a rather broad question... can you narrow it down a bit? are you having trouble setting up a web server?
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• 3424[20:49:46] <trek00> greycat: for example i use scripts to do nearly the same tasks on different versions of debian
• 3425[20:49:49] <LowercaseSigma> no
• 3426[20:49:56] <LowercaseSigma> I just need ideasa
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• 3428[20:49:58] <LowercaseSigma> ideas
• 3429[20:50:08] <LowercaseSigma> I've made websites before
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• 3432[20:50:50] <diverdude> greycat: mmm ok
• 3433[20:50:57] <BCMM> LowercaseSigma: like, ideas for a topic to make a website about? might be the wrong channel.
• 3434[20:51:18] <LowercaseSigma> I don't know, can't find a good channel for this
• 3435[20:51:31] <LowercaseSigma> think of it like writers block
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• 3437[20:51:41] <LowercaseSigma> I just don't know what to make
• 3438[20:52:10] <BCMM> find an open-source project that's looking for an updated site maybe?
• 3439[20:52:24] <trek00> (the debian wiki) :)
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• 3441[20:52:28] <LowercaseSigma> :)
• 3442[20:52:30] <LowercaseSigma> okay
• 3443[20:52:44] <LowercaseSigma> I'm running debian on one of my partitions :)
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• 3476[21:13:01] <nlpqda> trek00: I've tried pkexec already and gave the same gtk-warning ... what is install policykit-1?
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• 3479[21:13:35] <nlpqda> seems like the package of pkexec
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• 3481[21:13:55] <greycat> stop trying to run GUI programs as root, and all of these problems go away
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• 3484[21:14:36] <nlpqda> some also suggested adding Defaults env_keep=DISPLAY to /etc/sudoers but it's not fixing it
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• 3486[21:15:04] <nlpqda> greycat: that's a false statement .. all problems will remain the same
• 3487[21:15:05] <giantmidget> Hey ;ads
• 3488[21:15:18] <giantmidget> when I run any apt command I'm getting dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/pure-ftpd-common_1.0.49-1_all.deb (--unpack):
• 3489[21:15:18] <giantmidget> unable to open '/usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd-common/README.Authentication-Modules.gz.dpkg-new': No such file or directory
• 3490[21:15:18] <giantmidget> Errors were encountered while processing:
• 3491[21:15:18] <giantmidget> /var/cache/apt/archives/pure-ftpd-common_1.0.49-1_all.deb
• 3492[21:15:18] <giantmidget> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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• 3494[21:15:29] <nlpqda> e.g. gparted is not able to mount a partition while not starting as root
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• 3496[21:15:42] <sney> !paste
• 3497[21:15:42] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 3498[21:15:54] <giantmidget> rip - sorry lads
• 3499[21:16:13] <giantmidget> I've tried all the common fixes, and they all keep throwing that error
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• 3503[21:17:34] <sney> does "all the common fixes" include running "apt -f install" ?
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• 3506[21:17:51] <greycat> ,v pure-ftpd-common
• 3507[21:17:52] <judd> Package: pure-ftpd-common on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.36-3.2; jessie-security: 1.0.36-3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.43-3; buster: 1.0.47-3; sid: 1.0.49-4
• 3508[21:17:55] <giantmidget> sney that, as well as several other commands
• 3509[21:18:05] <greycat> 1.0.49-1 is not one of the versions shown above.
• 3510[21:18:13] <greycat> therefore you did not get this package from any of the Debian releases
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• 3514[21:18:54] <giantmidget> Right - this is a machine I don't use often, so where it came from I can
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• 3516[21:18:58] <giantmidget> 't remember
• 3517[21:19:18] <sney> what debian version is this?
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• 3522[21:20:35] <giantmidget> It's a kali (5) box
• 3523[21:20:45] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 3525[21:20:51] <greycat> Next!
• 3526[21:21:11] <sney> ok, well 1) the error is this: replaced-url
• 3527[21:21:12] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3529[21:21:53] <giantmidget> fucking knew it........the rEaSOn I'm asking this here is because it's an issue with package management, which would be handled the same regardless
• 3530[21:22:16] <sney> cool, so your entitlement is more important than the channel rules. got it.
• 3531[21:22:47] <giantmidget> What does this have to do with entitlement?
• 3532[21:23:07] <joepublic> dpkg, tell giantmidget about based on debian
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• 3534[21:23:20] <joepublic> especially the part about respect
• 3535[21:24:22] <joepublic> everyone here has the option to also hang out in #whatever-other-distro-based-on-debian -- and please feel free to go ask the ones that do, and leave the rest of those here alone.
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• 3539[21:29:40] <sparky4> replaced-url
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• 3541[21:29:50] <sparky4> after upgrading to debian testing
• 3542[21:29:59] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3543[21:30:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3544[21:30:14] <sparky4> and now pulseaudio is fucked
• 3545[21:30:16] <sparky4> oh
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• 3549[21:30:30] <giantmidget> sney Thank you for the link, that fixed the problem
• 3550[21:30:35] <greycat> Is it the timidity thing? A la buster?
• 3551[21:32:22] <jim> is the amd64 install guide available as a pdf?
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• 3553[21:33:14] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3556[21:33:20] <giantmidget> I am now off to bang my head against the wall for daring to ask my question here (had I said debian 10 you wouldn't have lost your shit and the fix would've worked just the same)
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• 3560[21:34:08] <sney> (except that package was never in debian 10, it was in sid in October)
• 3561[21:34:41] <lwp> !kali-overnight
• 3562[21:34:41] <dpkg> Installing Parrot or Kali on your computer will not make you into a security expert overnight. If you really want to have those skills, install a general purpose linux distro like Debian (replaced-url
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• 3564[21:35:22] <bint> hi there
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• 3571[21:36:41] <sney> hi
• 3572[21:36:44] <bint> is there a difference between installing something with sudo vs. installing straight from root? - as i understand just for security reasons i should disable root login via ssh, and use sudo instead of root?
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• 3575[21:37:58] <EmleyMoor> bint: No difference, really. It's more sound, security wise, to gain root access using sudo, rather than other ways, as a rule.
• 3576[21:38:02] <sney> bint: no difference. and you can get a root shell from sudo, with 'sudo -i'
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• 3583[21:43:21] <lwp> bint, you are correct that direct root login via ssh is a bad idea
• 3584[21:43:32] <greycat> Lies.
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• 3588[21:44:58] <sney> it's ok if you're using ssh keys and password logins are disabled
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• 3596[21:47:48] <karlpinc> EmleyMoor: As a rule, it is less secure to gain root access using sudo because only a single authentication token is required (the user's password). It is more auditable to gain root access using sudo, but only in that you know who got root.
• 3597[21:48:31] <efrit> hello
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• 3600[21:49:05] <efrit> I wanted to ask if Debian have recommandations about the way system scripts are written
• 3601[21:49:34] <trek00> efrit: boot scripts?
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• 3603[21:49:35] <karlpinc> efrit: What sort of system scripts? You might check out the debian-policy manual. Found in the debian-policy package or at debian.org.
• 3604[21:50:29] <greycat> Last time I checked, the Debian policy forced Debian developers to use "set -e" in their shell scripts, and I strongly disagree with this.
• 3605[21:50:45] <trek00> greycat: me too
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• 3608[21:51:19] <greycat> It got so bad that they pushed out a template /etc/rc.local script with -e in the shebang, and exit 0 in the script... two ways for newbies to go wrong.
• 3609[21:51:38] <efrit> not necessarily boot scripts but scripts found for example in /usr/bin/lesspipe
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• 3611[21:52:18] <efrit> I know they encorage use of POSIX compatible scripts, therefore advising to avoid bashisms when possible
• 3612[21:52:26] <greycat> the question is whether that script is written by upstream, or by the Debian package maintainer
• 3613[21:53:00] <jim> greycat, thanks
• 3614[21:53:24] <efrit> I guess if it’s upstream, it depends on what the provider of the package?
• 3615[21:53:39] <efrit> but I guess both answers interest me
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• 3617[21:55:48] <trek00> efrit: i think you can write it as you want, keep out bashism
• 3618[21:55:55] <efrit> ok
• 3619[21:56:00] <efrit> I was wondering
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• 3621[21:56:27] <efrit> because I recently started to read the excellent guide on Bash Academy
• 3622[21:56:45] <efrit> and I noticed that a lot of scripts still use backticks
• 3623[21:57:05] <efrit> I thought maybe it was for compatibility reasons
• 3624[21:57:31] <trek00> efrit: i use this as reference guide: replaced-url
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• 3629[22:00:00] <efrit> thanks for the nice link trek00
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• 3634[22:04:21] <efrit> here I found some useful information: replaced-url
• 3635[22:04:50] <efrit> and the recommandation about the "set -e" command that greycat disagree with :x
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• 3639[22:06:11] <trek00> efrit: you can set -e for debug
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• 3646[22:11:41] <efrit> trek00: I am reading this replaced-url
• 3647[22:11:52] <efrit> and "set -e" seems indeed pretty complicated…
• 3648[22:12:14] <biys> hey sney
• 3649[22:12:16] <biys> thnx for your help btw
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• 3651[22:12:50] <efrit> currently I am using shellcheck to write better scripts
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• 3653[22:14:50] <trek00> efrit: those are good, but always try your shell script with dash to be sure you are not using bashism
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• 3656[22:15:49] <efrit> yes ofc, shellcheck helps with that too though
• 3657[22:16:01] <efrit> if the shebang is #!/bin/sh
• 3658[22:16:26] <Whyvn> I hear some people pulling their packages from sid and testing. I am not interseted in unstable, but some say testing is pretty much stable besides a few hickups. If I switch to testing from stable will there be a lot of issues? Is the only way to have cohesive system from doing testing from a fresh install?
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• 3661[22:17:28] <trek00> efrit: if you need tips, i'm well at shell programming
• 3662[22:18:22] <nkuttler> Whyvn: imo testing is worse than sid. it's not stable, it's stale, and bugfixes can take forever to get in
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• 3664[22:18:56] <trek00> Whyvn: only the stable distribution is officially supported, the testing repository can bring issues some times
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• 3666[22:19:06] <efrit> trek00: thx, I won’t hesitate to ask then :)
• 3667[22:19:22] <nkuttler> the only times i use testing is during a freeze
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• 3669[22:20:09] <trek00> efrit: i've done a reimplementation of compress in shell script, just for fun, it's not useful at all
• 3670[22:20:21] <Whyvn> nkuttler: oh... lame, yeah I am starting to feel the deb outdated package blues. I want to upgrade to xfce 14 because of a bug, pieces needed for a DE I dont want to have some parts on testing and some on stable.
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• 3675[22:22:49] <jhutchins> The thing about testing is that when something breaks it's allowed to stay broken until it's properly fixed.
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• 3677[22:23:09] <trek00> Whyvn: may be you can workaround that bug without a full upgrade? what bug is it?
• 3678[22:23:19] <jhutchins> Whyvn: Sometimes dependencies aren't in sync either, and sid is even worse about that.
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• 3680[22:23:57] <jhutchins> Whyvn: Bugfixes often get backported into the stable versions - which happens in other stable distros too.
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• 3685[22:25:32] <greycat> One of the semi-common issues with testing is when package set A gets pushed to testing, it needs package set B to work, but A doesn't have a dependency on B yet (which is a bug). Now testing is stuck in a broken state until package set B gets pushed down, which can take weeks or months.
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• 3687[22:26:57] <jhutchins> I remember when the intel driver was broken, and that took several months to fix, and you were stuck with an unbootable system if you upgraded to it without a backup.
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• 3706[22:34:36] <kevr> i'm trying to configure a uwsgi instance with rvm to run a rails app, but it keeps getting screwed up with "*** no app loaded. GAME OVER ***"... i can run it if i just install everything through bundle globally, but my rvm setup is screwed, does anybody know of a detailed guide on setting up everything needed for this?
• 3707[22:34:53] <kevr> uwsgi with rvm, and how to generate the proper uwsgi plugin for my rvm config
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• 3710[22:35:34] <kevr> i've also seen passenger used for rails applications through nginx... should i try going with that instead of uwsgi?
• 3711[22:36:05] <Whyvn> jhutchins: its a known bug, that deals with the date-time plugin for the panel. I have done the workound suggested from #xfce, but was wondering if I would be able to upgrade and thats what made me wonder about accessing sid/testing, but yeah I am probably going to just stick with the workaround and wait.
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• 3715[22:38:13] <Whyvn> what is Debians typical release cycle for major version changes?
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• 3717[22:38:44] <greycat> !release history
• 3718[22:38:45] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. replaced-url
• 3719[22:38:45] <no_gravity> Can you make pstree show process ids?
• 3720[22:38:58] <trek00> Whyvn: 2 years
• 3721[22:39:19] <trek00> no_gravity: pstree -p
• 3722[22:39:40] <no_gravity> trek00: Thanks!
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• 3725[22:40:36] <no_gravity> trek00: Is it also possible to just show part of the branch?
• 3726[22:41:06] <Whyvn> trek00: oof, another year and a half. I know this is a big sore spot with debian is the packages. What do you all do to remmendy? Do you not run into too many outdated packages that you need the more current version?
• 3727[22:41:38] <trek00> no_gravity: yes, pstree -p pid
• 3728[22:41:43] <no_gravity> trek00: Great, thanks!
• 3729[22:42:23] <no_gravity> Is a <defunct> process unkillable?
• 3730[22:42:53] <trek00> Whyvn: usually not, sometimes i need a backport, but it depends by your use cases
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• 3732[22:43:16] <trek00> no_gravity: yeah, you can't kill a zombie process, it's already half-dead
• 3733[22:43:41] <no_gravity> trek00: It disappeared when I killed another screen process.
• 3734[22:44:19] <greycat> zombies are all the way dead, not half dead
• 3735[22:44:27] <trek00> no_gravity: a zombie process is a process that still have some resource opened, but it is no more running
• 3736[22:44:45] <greycat> it doesn't have anything open. it's just waiting for its parent to reap its exit status.
• 3737[22:45:01] <no_gravity> greycat: "reap"?
• 3738[22:46:09] <kevr> Whyvn: which package are you having issues with
• 3739[22:46:18] <greycat> !zobie
• 3740[22:46:20] <greycat> !zombie
• 3741[22:46:25] <greycat> *sigh*
• 3742[22:46:27] <greycat> !zombie
• 3743[22:46:27] <dpkg> A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
• 3744[22:46:30] <kevr> with python, ruby, and npm, you can configure virtualenv, rvm, or nvm to manage dependencies as a user
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• 3746[22:46:53] <no_gravity> greycat: I see.
• 3747[22:46:57] <kevr> and completely decouples that environment from your core system packages for those languages
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• 3756[22:52:20] <bint> i remember when i was using debian i used prgramms like tmux and screen, and i preferred tmux over screen.. but that was years ago
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• 3758[22:52:31] <bint> is there a better programm that i should use by now?
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• 3760[22:53:07] <petn-randall> bint: I've heard byobu is nice, which builds on either of those. Otherwise both tools do their job, right?
• 3761[22:53:21] <greycat> tmux is considered the better of the two, although I personally don't know it
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• 3765[22:55:50] <kevr> bint: better in what way
• 3766[22:56:04] <kevr> i use tmux, not sure what more you need
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• 3771[23:01:14] <openbsdtai123> hello, what is the size of the MBR (non efi, MBR disk) of WINDOWS 8 (for dd)? Is it bs=1 count=512?
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• 3776[23:02:07] <EdePopede> openbsdtai123: yes, that's the standard on PC
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• 3779[23:02:45] <openbsdtai123> without table ?
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• 3782[23:03:08] <openbsdtai123> I would like to take the MBR from my old DD and put it without damaingh the table.
• 3783[23:03:22] <EdePopede> 2 magic bytes at the end, 4*16 byte for the partition table. rest is potentially boot code.
• 3784[23:04:01] <EdePopede> so the first (512-2-4*16) bytes
• 3785[23:04:21] <trek00> openbsdtai123: MBR contains the partition table
• 3786[23:04:50] <trek00> openbsdtai123: may be you want to copy the boot sector?
• 3787[23:04:50] <openbsdtai123> Soo I would put back the "bs=1 count=446", shall it be ok?
• 3788[23:05:23] <EdePopede> openbsdtai123: should. but don't forget to backup it first.
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• 3791[23:06:06] <EdePopede> and better have a live system available. the usual sane paranoia while doing such things ;)
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• 3793[23:07:26] <openbsdtai123> ahh so it should be : of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1
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• 3795[23:07:44] <openbsdtai123> (I have to use dd)
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• 3821[23:22:36] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys, i am ahving trouble starting vsftpd.. when i check the status i get this message: replaced-url
• 3822[23:22:42] <InvisibleRasta> i am not sure what is causing it
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• 3834[23:27:51] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: may be it is a configuration problem with vsftpd, probably some errors shows up with journalctl
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• 3841[23:29:41] <trek00> is there a gtk-3 theme that looks like default gtk-2 theme?
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• 3845[23:30:21] <kevr> i can't install passenger on stretch, i'm running `apt-get install -y libnginx-mod-http-passenger` but it's giving me `libnginx-mod-http-passenger : Depends: nginx-common (< 1.10.4) but 1.16.1-3 is to be installed`
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• 3847[23:30:40] <kevr> however, i was on testing, i'm trying to convert back to stretch but this issue is remaining.
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• 3849[23:31:02] <kevr> i've installed `passenger` fine, it's just the libnginx module that has this issue atm
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• 3851[23:31:22] <trek00> kevr: it can't install because it needs version 1.10 but your sources lists version 1.16
• 3852[23:31:35] <kevr> yeah, i understand
• 3853[23:31:40] <kevr> trying to figure out how to fix that.
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• 3858[23:32:07] <trek00> kevr: you need to install all packages from same repository or dependencies will broke
• 3859[23:32:22] <kevr> ...yeah, again, i'm trying to
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• 3861[23:32:59] <trek00> kevr: if you want only stretch, you need to remove testing from sources and then run apt update
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• 3863[23:33:27] <kevr> replaced-url
• 3864[23:33:28] <trek00> kevr: then inside aptitude you will se a group of packages marked as obsolete, those are the remains of your testing trip
• 3865[23:33:38] <kevr> i already did that
• 3866[23:33:39] <kevr> :/
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• 3868[23:33:47] <kevr> that's why i'm confused
• 3869[23:34:00] <trek00> kevr: may be it's simpler to reinstall
• 3870[23:34:13] <kevr> that seems.. silly
• 3871[23:34:23] <kevr> i'd rather downgrade
• 3872[23:34:30] <trek00> kevr: you can try to remove all packages around ngix and then reinstall those
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• 3874[23:34:33] <greycat> You CANNOT run current testing and then switch sources to point to oldstable (stretch) and expect anything to work.
• 3875[23:34:46] <kevr> i'm trying to downgrade the whole system if possible
• 3876[23:34:51] <kevr> is that just undoable?
• 3877[23:35:03] <greycat> Downgrading even ONE release is insane and dangerous, and you want to downgrade TWO?
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• 3879[23:35:08] <trek00> kevr: it could be almost a nightmare
• 3880[23:35:15] <kevr> hm.
• 3881[23:35:29] <kevr> alright, thanks
• 3882[23:36:41] <kevr> i really do not want to reinstall this whole system :/
• 3883[23:36:43] <kevr> bleh
• 3884[23:36:47] <OS-50219> /msg NickServ REGISTER bootoss10856 joey1337@protonmail.com
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• 3886[23:37:18] <trek00> kevr: well keep with testing and forgot stretch
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• 3888[23:37:19] <mason> OS-50219: maybe a different password now, though
• 3889[23:37:26] <kevr> trek00: i can't
• 3890[23:37:30] <greycat> dare we ask why you want to install *old*stable?
• 3891[23:37:32] <kevr> passenger doesn't have a testing repository
• 3892[23:37:39] <kevr> afaik
• 3893[23:37:44] <OS-50219> yeah, I literally copypasted the command from the guide.
• 3894[23:37:46] <OS-50219> Oh well.
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• 3896[23:37:57] <mason> Oh, hrm.
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• 3898[23:38:10] <kevr> greycat: i'm just trying to add passenger, and their website doesn't seem to have testing available, it just has stretch as it's most recent
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• 3901[23:38:45] <jetscreamer> aw dayum... all i need is mwilson now
• 3902[23:38:57] <jetscreamer> !love greycat
• 3903[23:38:57] * dpkg makes love to greycat, caressing greycat's hair, whispering sweet nothings in greycat's ear...
• 3904[23:39:12] <kevr> and it's all mismatched, passenger wants stretch's old nginx, so i'm trying to get back to that state without reinstalling the entire system
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• 3906[23:39:21] * r3 eyes dpkg
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• 3910[23:40:50] <trek00> kevr: is passenger package from debian broken in some way?
• 3911[23:40:55] <kevr> fuck it man, i'll just reinstall for stretch
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• 3915[23:43:00] <trek00> kevr: it seems available for any debian version replaced-url
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• 3918[23:43:17] <greycat> ,v passenger
• 3919[23:43:18] <judd> Package: passenger on amd64 -- stretch: 5.0.30-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 5.0.30-1+deb9u1; buster: 5.0.30-1.1; bullseye: 5.0.30-1.1+b1; sid: 5.0.30-1.1+b2
• 3920[23:43:28] <jetscreamer> " passenger wants stretch's old nginx,"
• 3921[23:43:31] <greycat> looks like 5.0.30 has been around a while
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• 3931[23:49:34] <Allain> Hi guys, i installed open-vm-tools(-desktop) Everything seems to work fine except copy/paste from the host to the Debian VM. It is Buster/64bits/Gnome installed from scratch. Any idea ? I have seen this but it don't help replaced-url
• 3932[23:49:43] <kevr> i'll just install as buster and use their buster sources
• 3933[23:49:50] <kevr> trying to hack all this shit in seems stupid
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