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4 [00:00:25] <blackflow> password saturation! :)
5 [00:00:31] <Sokomine> :-)
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7 [00:01:10] <blackflow> I don't even know mine, it's
now pure motoric memory.
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10 [00:01:28] <Sokomine> but it boots :-) just have to enter
twice because i always forget which keyboard driver is loaded at
what stage - and then again two times because i mistyped
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12 [00:01:44] <Sokomine> mostly, yes. motoric memory gets
confused if your keyboard's not english
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15 [00:02:12] <blackflow> Sokomine: when you said you mistyped,
I was gonna ask if you used a QWERTZ kbd, as sometimes locales can
make a mess if your passphrase uses Z or Y
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18 [00:03:57] <Sokomine> blackflow: gets even worse if the pw
contains other things than letters. really confusing for the motoric
memory (which i use most of the time as well)
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21 [00:04:28] <blackflow> yup
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24 [00:05:35] <Sokomine> now...only issue currently remaining is
my fight with firefox. current solution is to send it to sleep when
not used (kill -SIGSTOP). seems to be the only way to get them to
stop wasting cpu ressources when there's nothing to do
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28 [00:06:39] <mnuhmnuh> Sokomine: i prefer to kill -9 it. when
you fire up again, it recovers where it was.
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30 [00:07:25] <mnuhmnuh> direct exit from fluxbox does it just
right.
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32 [00:08:34] <Sokomine> mnuhmnuh: that'd be rather
inconvenient and take time to get started again. after a SIGCONT, it
really just starts nicely again. only annoying thing is that the
screen gets garbled as an inactive firefox can't update its
screen when asked to
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34 [00:09:48] <Sokomine> i've no idea what it wastes so
many ressources for. granted, there are some exceptions where i do
need to allow js, but those are few. and even those ought to do
nothing when not the active tab
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37 [00:10:50] <blackflow> quantum is much better in that regard.
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40 [00:11:36] <brontosaurusrex> a cli tool to apply
.config/gtk-3.0/setting.ini stuff?
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43 [00:12:27] <mnuhmnuh> Sokomine: well, at least you can do
"alias stop='kill -SIGSTOP `pgrep firefox`'" and
"... start= ..."
44 [00:12:58] <mnuhmnuh> maybe pkill lets you pass SIG*?
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46 [00:13:58] <mnuhmnuh> pkill -signal ...
47 [00:14:06] <Sokomine> mnuhmnuh: it works quite well for now.
i start the instances from a shell in the background and thus can
issue the kill commands at least manually (and also resume)
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51 [00:14:31] <Sokomine> i still wonder what the program does in
its "spare time". perhaps it's developing an ai...
52 [00:14:51] <blackflow> lol
53 [00:14:52] <mnuhmnuh> half the stuff i talk about in here
i'm trying to teach myself. :-)
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57 [00:16:30] <Sokomine> mnuhmnuh: ah. i usually use killall or
kill directly. in this case...the first process started in the
background can be sent to..er..sleep...by kill -SIGSTOP %1 then i
can enter a bg already and just have to hit enter in the terminal
the next time i want to use that particular firefox
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59 [00:17:35] <Sokomine> still manual work, might be forgotten,
dirty due to x no longer beeing able to update the screen
properly...but better than wasting ressources for nothing
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68 [00:20:02] <blackflow> Sokomine: TIL sigstop and sigcont to
FF master proces. neat! You know what you can do? bind that to some
keys!
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78 [00:25:06] * mnuhmnuh my ff's almost always doing something;
inet radio station. :-)
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82 [00:26:30] <algun> hey can you pleas help me regain acccess
to m pc im stuck in an automatic, failing fsck loop being unable to
access root shell - see
replaced-url
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84 [00:27:22] <asdsadsad> are you able to press alt + f2 to open
terminal?
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87 [00:27:53] <algun> no theres only a blinking caret no login
prompt
88 [00:28:19] <asdsadsad> sorry I don't know
89 [00:28:20] <mnuhmnuh> hit enter?
90 [00:28:33] <algun> though i am in rescue mode now i could tr
normal if you think itd help
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93 [00:29:04] <algun> m no i cant even write there
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95 [00:29:25] <mnuhmnuh> how do you try normal mode when ptns
won't pass fsck?
96 [00:29:35] <Sokomine> blackflow: hm. that might be intresting
:-)
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98 [00:29:43] <uxfi> g
99 [00:29:49] <algun> i pick it kn grub lik i picked rescue
100 [00:30:17] <algun> sry for typos im using a tablet to
communicate
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102 [00:30:42] <mnuhmnuh> meh. spelling's a lost art.
103 [00:31:55] <mnuhmnuh> rescue mode is exactly that. system
detects fs wasn't marked clean on shutdown, so now needs to
sanity check.
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105 [00:32:11] <algun> could i mak use of a bootable
system's cd if i foun one?
106 [00:32:16] <blackflow> that error looks like something more
severe
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108 [00:32:51] <algun> mnm maybe explicitly picking rescue
constrain nr of ttys or smth
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110 [00:33:04] <algun> blackflow :(
111 [00:33:04] <mnuhmnuh> if you know what needs checking,
it's easy, and i've never seen it fail, though it can.
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115 [00:34:33] * mnuhmnuh haven't looked at the imgur.
116 [00:34:36] <blackflow> algun: the screenshot mentions failure
to mount /home. so, that's a separate partition? or whole disk?
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118 [00:34:51] <algun> blackflow partition
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121 [00:35:09] <blackflow> algun: can you mount it from the
rescue mode?
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124 [00:35:30] <algun> i cant access the shell see at the bottom
where it says roots locked
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131 [00:36:55] <blackflow> y u lock root! false sense of
security. anyway, do you have the ability to boot into something
from usb stick for example? debian installer?
132 [00:37:33] * mnuhmnuh how _do_ you lock root?
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134 [00:37:51] <algun> when i press enter to continue it starts
fscking automatically again and soon its back to emergency mode with
locked root
135 [00:38:12] <blackflow> mnuhmnuh: see -l in manpage for passwd
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137 [00:38:15] <algun> blackflow will a netinsrt c suffice?
138 [00:38:45] <algun> netinst cd
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140 [00:39:16] <blackflow> algun: I don't know off the top
of my head. what I was aiming at is to boot in some live env where
you can try to mount and fsck the systems, and add
"nofail" to /home options in fstab, so failure of it
won't bork the whole boot (but then you'd have to log in
as root, so unlock root!)
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143 [00:41:38] <algun> blackflow idk if i have a live one
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145 [00:43:06] <blackflow> algun: there's rescue mode in the
netinst iso yes
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147 [00:43:42] <blackflow> algun: under Advanced options
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153 [00:48:01] * algun find and boots a lenny cd
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156 [00:49:33] <algun> blackflow so whag happens if i add nofail
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158 [00:50:37] <blackflow> algun: systemd won't find it a
critical issue if it's not mountable and will continue.
159 [00:51:00] <blackflow> algun: which then means you'll
boot with no home, so you can't log in as your regular user (if
its home is in /home)
160 [00:51:56] <algun> but why would i wan that?
161 [00:51:57] <blackflow> but at least you should be able to
login as root (probably through another, non-gui, TTY) and figure
out what's up
162 [00:52:18] <algun> how do you rwckon that?
163 [00:52:20] <blackflow> algun: so you get a working system
nonetheless. you don't have to really, that was just a
suggestion in this case
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165 [00:53:24] <mnuhmnuh> algun: i'm with you. rescue mode
already figured out what's up. dirty fs, fix it.
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168 [00:53:41] <algun> whats the diff why would that allow root
login?
169 [00:54:04] <mnuhmnuh> root's home isn't in /home
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171 [00:54:31] <blackflow> and the display manager doesn't
yet need /home until you try to log in
172 [00:54:35] <HighMemoryDaemon> Howdy folks. To be clear with
SID, you don't need to add a security repo?
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174 [00:55:21] <algun> mn i know that but blackflow whay would
root not be locked in non rescue mode?
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176 [00:55:42] <blackflow> algun: it would be. first thing I
mentioned above was unlock root.
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178 [00:55:57] <algun> how do i unlocm it with noshell?
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181 [00:56:35] <annadane> HighMemoryDaemon, no
182 [00:56:43] <blackflow> algun: you boot into a live env
(netinst has rescue mode which is a live env), mount your root,
chroot into it and do some passwd and passwd -u magick
183 [00:56:48] <annadane> just deb <mirror> sid main
[contrib non-free if you want]
184 [00:57:02] <annadane> no security or debian-updates
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186 [00:57:40] <annadane> or debian/updates or whatever the
non-security one is
187 [00:57:49] <algun> bin sh fsck not found
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189 [00:57:50] <annadane> i think it's debian/updates for
security and debian-updates for the other one
190 [00:58:29] <blackflow> algun: in fact, I think you don't
even have to chroot, you can reuse your regular user's password
field in /etc/shadow, copy it and replace root's ! (exclamation
mark) with it. it's the second field (fields separated by : )
in /etc/shadow
191 [00:58:59] <algun> cool
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196 [00:59:59] <algun> says mount cant find dev sda1 in etc fstab
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201 [01:00:13] <blackflow> algun: use full mount line
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203 [01:00:31] <blackflow> algun: and of course you're not
mounting to /, you're mounting to something like /mnt
204 [01:00:40] <algun> idk will google unless you tell me :)
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208 [01:01:26] <blackflow> algun: assuming sda1 is your root
(though it sounds like it isn't, maybe sda2 or sda3 is), then
`mount /dev/sda1 /mnt` for _example_
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211 [01:02:20] <algun> invalid argument
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213 [01:02:30] <algun> could be i made sda1 swap
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216 [01:02:37] <blackflow> algun: run blkid
217 [01:02:50] <mnuhmnuh> swapon -a
218 [01:02:54] <algun> aint got it in thi stinkin shell
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220 [01:03:15] <blackflow> algun: which shell is that?
netinst's rescue mod is busybx and it has blkid
221 [01:03:20] <algun> m wha does that do
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223 [01:03:45] <algun> sorry for being tiresome probably
224 [01:03:45] <blackflow> lists block devices, their uuids and
filesystems. you can see what sda1 is or what, maybe, root would be
225 [01:04:02] <algun> swapon a returne nothing
226 [01:04:12] <mnuhmnuh> busybox is tiny shell & utils
environment.
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228 [01:04:21] <algun> blki wa not found a i said
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230 [01:04:25] <mnuhmnuh> rescue mode.
231 [01:04:33] <blackflow> algun: are you in netinst rescue mode?
232 [01:04:46] <algun> eh ill have to find a more recent cd
233 [01:04:58] <blackflow> algun: are you in netinst rescue mode?
234 [01:05:14] <algun> no this is old lenn dont think its netinsr
an i failed to find rescue this is just some shell
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236 [01:05:25] <blackflow> lenny! yeah that won't work.
237 [01:05:39] <algun> thx sorry and stand by
238 [01:06:00] * algun throws it in the trash
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242 [01:07:31] <blackflow> that's a piece of history there.
treat with respect pls :)
243 [01:08:04] <blackflow> that CD could've gone for
millions on some auction in late 21st century.
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247 [01:08:38] <mnuhmnuh> there are biafrans out there still
running xp, you know?
248 [01:08:55] <mnuhmnuh> eat your carrots.
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253 [01:10:02] <blackflow> now Google Loon will Make Africa
Connected Again. Debians shall be installed.
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267 [01:14:22] <mnuhmnuh> i was hoping to get back to africa, and
do a johnny appleseed thing with linux bouncing from country to
country. reality intervened.
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272 [01:14:58] <blackflow> with a truckful of OLPCs?
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274 [01:15:45] <mnuhmnuh> sat phone & usbkey? sokris box
& solar power?
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276 [01:16:25] <algun> blackflow i think it wa faulty anyway. it
lacked some kernel things but vouldnt download due to missing
networking drivers
277 [01:16:38] <algun> for an ethernet card
278 [01:17:01] <algun> the cd art on it wa nice but it wasrted
enough of my time alreasy
279 [01:17:31] <mnuhmnuh> one of those nokia n-800's would
have been ideal.
280 [01:17:45] <algun> foun a livw cd. ugh its 2010
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282 [01:18:08] <blackflow> mnuhmnuh: solar powered soekris. now
that's something!
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284 [01:18:23] <blackflow> but you'll need lotsa wifi, with
Loons hovering 20km above ya
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286 [01:18:58] <blackflow> algun: you mentioned you had netinst
earlier, what was it?
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294 [01:20:52] <algun> blackflow i think the most current one is
2013
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296 [01:21:45] <algun> ill try mounting from here
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298 [01:22:23] <algun> no blkid here either
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300 [01:22:48] <blackflow> algun: blkid doesn't matter, you
can look up via /dev/disk/by-uuid/
301 [01:23:36] <algun> how?
302 [01:23:44] <blackflow> algun: with ls :)
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304 [01:24:16] <algun> it just lists the uid named disk file
305 [01:24:38] <algun> oh isee
306 [01:25:07] <algun> i mean i can now map uuid to dev but don
kno hp that helps
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308 [01:26:30] * algun runs the partition editor (gui)
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310 [01:26:36] <blackflow> algun: you can run file -s /dev/sda2
and similar and see which filesystems are there, perhaps detect root
like that
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312 [01:27:23] <blackflow> algun: teh disk/by-uuid is just a
reference to relevant uuid, so you can have that as there's no
blkid
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317 [01:29:02] <algun> thx for the tip. found root its ext 4
though. partition editor lists it as ext3 with a warning icon.
concerned
318 [01:29:21] <mnuhmnuh> algun: so, your prob. was you
couldn't get past fsck looping?
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320 [01:30:06] <algun> m it would throw me to emergency mode an i
couldnt log in. each iteration fscked
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323 [01:30:50] <algun> fsck; cant log in; repeat
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325 [01:31:15] <blackflow> algun: you could run fsck now on those
filesystems
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327 [01:31:27] <mnuhmnuh> always the same ptn that needed to be
fsck'd?
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329 [01:31:46] <algun> ill pop in the newest netinst so that
theres less chanc to mess up ext4
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332 [01:33:02] <mnuhmnuh> ext3 + journaling == ext4, i thought.
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335 [01:33:28] <blackflow> algun: what's UUID 6ac62..... ?
is that /home ?
336 [01:33:32] <algun> mnuhmnuh i remember nr 1 bu thats it. i
wouldnt watch the water boil and when i would vome back the cant
login prompt would overwrite the fsck message and ask for any key to
continue (fsck again)
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338 [01:34:01] <algun> yes bčackflow
339 [01:34:33] <algun> sed/č/l/
340 [01:34:52] <blackflow> oh you must be around these parts with
that kbd
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342 [01:35:33] <algun> you are balkanese too?
343 [01:35:41] <blackflow> somewhat
344 [01:36:05] <algun> slovenia then
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346 [01:36:17] <blackflow> few km south :)
347 [01:36:42] <algun> istria?
348 [01:36:44] <blackflow> yup
349 [01:36:47] <algun> nice
350 [01:37:31] * algun fscks sda3 (home)
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359 [01:43:18] <mnuhmnuh> what is it, 4 am there?
360 [01:43:23] <algun> man it sounds like someone is scratching
their nails on a chalkboard in there
361 [01:43:49] <algun> one fourty three
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370 [01:46:15] <mnuhmnuh> how? it's 2345 utc. balkans
aren't just south east of paris.
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372 [01:47:04] <algun> yep gmt plus two
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378 [01:49:40] <mframe> has there been a regression in 9.5 w/
automounting nfs entries in fstab?
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380 [01:50:07] <blackflow> algun: mnuhmnuh actually gmt + 1, and
utc+2 because we're in DST now
381 [01:50:13] <blackflow> now gmt is utc+1
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383 [01:50:44] <algun> mnuhnuh summer time i guess cet is usually
plus 1
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385 [01:51:15] <annadane> is bspwm meant to be a blank screen
(with default debian wallpaper) which doesn't accept any mouse
clicks?
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387 [01:51:51] <algun> oh sl gmt is summer adjusted and were plus
1?
388 [01:51:53] <blackflow> algun: hdd is making funny sounds with
fsck?
389 [01:52:10] <blackflow> gmt is adjusted for dst yes. UTC is
static, universal
390 [01:52:22] <annadane> "bspwm doesn't handle any
keyboard or pointer inputs: a third party program (e.g. sxhkd) is
needed in order to translate keyboard and pointer events to bspc
invocations." ok, never mind then
391 [01:52:30] <algun> it alway did blackflow though its plder
than these cds
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393 [01:53:01] <blackflow> algun: I suspect that could be the
cause of this mess. ran any smartctl on that? see the normalized
values, are they awfully close to 0 or below "threshold"
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395 [01:54:09] <algun> will do. fsck done lets see if thats all
it will take
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399 [01:56:47] <algun> y34h 1m 1n
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412 [02:04:50] <algun> got any options for me blackflow?
413 [02:05:02] <algun> flags if you will
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415 [02:05:53] <algun> to pass to smartctl i mean
416 [02:06:16] <blackflow> algun: smartctl -a
417 [02:06:35] <algun> ok what am i searching for?
418 [02:06:54] <algun> nothings printed in red
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421 [02:07:30] <algun> no errors logged however i just installe
smatmontools to run this
422 [02:07:46] <blackflow> can you pastebin that?
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424 [02:08:13] <blackflow> smartctl -a | nc termbin.com 9999
might require you to install netcat first
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426 [02:08:44] <algun> none of it is sensitive right
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428 [02:09:39] <blackflow> maybe disk serial number
429 [02:10:02] <blackflow> algun: in fact you can pastebin just
smartctl -A not sure the rest is needed
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432 [02:12:22] <algun> paste.debian.net/1034926
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436 [02:13:38] <blackflow> algun: that's one old, but
apparently healthy drive alright.
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438 [02:13:55] <algun> but i just installed smartmontools
439 [02:14:04] <blackflow> algun: ?
440 [02:14:20] <algun> an running it took no time to exec
441 [02:14:35] <algun> so maybe a detailed test would have to be
run first
442 [02:14:47] <blackflow> anyway, the usual suspects in that
list aren't there. doesn't mean the drive _isn't_ in
defect somehow. smart data tends to be ..... false negative
443 [02:14:52] <algun> to be able to conclud errythin is ok
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445 [02:15:34] <algun> ok well thanks for your help
446 [02:15:42] <blackflow> algun: you could run a long test if
you like but that could take hours.
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449 [02:16:45] <blackflow> but the bits I wanted to see are
attributes 196 nd 197, which are updated "always", so no
need to run tests for those. you could run one for attrib 198
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455 [02:18:26] <blackflow> algun: so next thing to check is the
sata cable. sometimes oxidation on connectors accumulates over time
and it starts erroring out. you could also, if you reboot fine,
inspect the journal if it's persistent, or syslog, to see if
there were any errors reported by the kernel like drive timeouts,
retries and similar
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526 [03:05:11] <Bacteria> umm
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528 [03:05:22] <Bacteria> wtf
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530 [03:05:44] <Bacteria> finaly i recoverd my os in grub
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532 [03:06:33] <mnuhmnuh> yay.
533 [03:06:39] <Bacteria> does teh wheezy grub not compatible
with stretch?
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536 [03:07:25] <mnuhmnuh> installing stretch should give you an
updated grub.
537 [03:07:52] <Bacteria> no i wanted wheezy just to discover and
add stretch
538 [03:08:12] <Bacteria> i copied it over manually from a diff
HD
539 [03:08:22] <mnuhmnuh> what's wheezy, oldoldstable?
540 [03:08:29] <Bacteria> omg
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542 [03:09:32] <mnuhmnuh> !wheezy
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544 [03:09:37] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable>
release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04:
replaced-url
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546 [03:10:01] <Bacteria> shit hahaha
547 [03:10:07] <Bacteria> 5 yrs strong!
548 [03:10:13] <Bacteria> i <3 debian
549 [03:10:39] <Bacteria> plus teh fact that debian already comes
with older software on top of that
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552 [03:11:58] <annadane> even lts has ended for wheezy,
that's outdated
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554 [03:12:09] <annadane> dpkg: wheezy-lts
555 [03:12:13] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7
"Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive
additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until
2018-05-31. See
replaced-url
556 [03:12:16] <mnuhmnuh> BaW: i'm running 4.16 kernel on
stretch/stable.
557 [03:12:33] <mnuhmnuh> that was for bacteria
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573 [03:23:33] <rpifan> my debian system is super slow running
htop it shows irq/109-ELAN130
574 [03:23:36] <rpifan> as a top memory consumer
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578 [03:28:36] <Len> rpifan: sounds like a problem with touchpad
579 [03:28:53] <rpifan> hmm
580 [03:29:03] <rpifan> supports DRM functions and may not be
fully accessible
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582 [03:29:24] <rpifan> also failed to read thermal zone
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584 [03:30:19] <Len> rpifan:
replaced-url
585 [03:30:25] <Len> could be related
586 [03:31:30] <rpifan> this is an asus machine
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588 [03:32:01] <rpifan> so i need a new kernel
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590 [03:32:56] <mnuhmnuh> rpifan: 4.16 is on backports.
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593 [03:34:01] <rpifan> backports?
594 [03:34:06] <rpifan> dont i need new ones
595 [03:34:07] <rpifan> not old one
596 [03:34:09] <rpifan> im on sid atm
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600 [03:35:47] <rpifan> i mean buster
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603 [03:36:42] <annadane> well i guess use the one from sid,
which is 4.17
604 [03:36:54] <annadane> also for future reference
605 [03:36:58] <annadane> dselect, debian-next
606 [03:36:58] <dselect> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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609 [03:37:16] <rpifan> why arent they on freenode
610 [03:37:21] <rpifan> i already have 5 servesr open
611 [03:37:25] <annadane> idk
612 [03:37:29] <annadane> historical reasons i guess
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614 [03:37:56] <rpifan> hmm
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620 [03:39:42] <rpifan> debian next is super quiet tho
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623 [03:41:24] <annadane> yes as tends to be the case with
support channels when no one is talking
624 [03:41:32] <mnuhmnuh> comes and goes, as do they all.
625 [03:41:35] <annadane> if anything debian next is slightly
more receptive than #debian on oftc
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646 [03:55:50] <zethnest_> Hello. I am currently running Debian
Stretch. I have a problem where my laptop froze randomly when there
are inputs from keyboard inputs
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654 [04:00:57] <mnuhmnuh> zethnest_: you can jounalctl -b 0 to
see what messages may have been stored.
655 [04:01:35] <mnuhmnuh> journalctl
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657 [04:03:16] <mnuhmnuh> zethnest_: if you find anything
related, send it to paste.debian.net
658 [04:04:52] <zethnest_> I got lost on where it happened.
I'll post when it happens again
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683 [04:21:43] <Barones> Hi, How can I cp and rename multiples
files at once in shell?
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693 [04:28:21] <mnuhmnuh> BaW: you could just move the files to
another (new, empty) directory.
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695 [04:29:49] <mnuhmnuh> that was meant for barones. demmit.
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714 [04:49:04] <rant> yeah they left..heh.. and it was unclear
what they wanted but sounds like they wanted to both rename and copy
at same time
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720 [04:51:03] <zethnest_> I looked into kern.log and looked at
where the froze did
721 [04:51:08] <zethnest_>
replaced-url
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724 [04:52:45] <rant> that snipped is taken VERY EARLY in the
boot process
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727 [04:53:35] <rant> ah no, thats two different boots
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729 [04:54:23] <zethnest_> My laptop froze. I cannot even go into
tty
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733 [04:56:40] <rant> yes well thats related to intel HD graphics
and the problem is something, more than likely the kernel DRM is
trying to read data from it faster than data is being written to the
buffer seemingly due to interrupts occuring
734 [04:57:00] <rant> which without more context, thats about all
I can say
735 [04:57:51] <zethnest_> On my previous install, I accidentally
added sid repo in my apt list. It fixed this
736 [04:58:13] <rant> since this is a gpu issue aside from more
context around the issue in the kernel, tthe xorg long would also be
relevant
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738 [04:58:39] <zethnest_> Where can I find the solution?
739 [04:58:42] <octet> I have a userscript that justonstantly
refreshing my webpage (not working). I tried clearing all browsing
history, disabling all addons, etc. I then tried a different browser
in virtualbox, and it still doesnt work right. I then rebooted into
my windows 10 dual boot and the userscript works fine there. I think
it has something to do with flushing the dns, but I tried this in
debian already "systemd-resolve --flush-caches" and
rebooted
740 [04:58:42] <octet> pc, but still it does not work :(
741 [04:58:46] <rant> zethnest_: so you're saying you know
that this issue didnt occur in sid but it is occuring in stretch?
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743 [04:59:05] <zethnest_> Maybe
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745 [04:59:53] <rant> zethnest_: its more than likely a graphics
driver issue but that doesnt narrow it down enough as the graphics
drivers are two parts, kernel and userland (X), though i would
venture to guess the problem is in the kernel
746 [05:00:22] <rant> zethnest_: anything in particular
you're doing when these issues arise? do you have more loggage
to go on?
747 [05:00:51] <zethnest_> I think it froze when inputs from
keyboard is being sent. It happens randomly
748 [05:01:38] <rant> octet: I ran into a parse error or two
trying to read that.. "justonstantly" is not a word in any
language I know of, even various regional slangs.
749 [05:01:51] <octet> sorry, "just constantly"
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751 [05:02:30] <rant> octet: ok, well what the heck do you mean
by all this.. what is a userscript that apparently applies to both
debian and windows 10 and refreshing webpages?
752 [05:02:52] <rant> and what do you mean by refreshing webpage
exactly
753 [05:03:01] <zethnest_> rant: The log doesn't seem to
show any more error apart from acpi, gpt, and ext4-fs, in the
previous boot
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758 [05:04:17] <octet> I have a userscript which augments my
webpage by adding some css stuff. The issue is that when I visit a
page where the userscript should activate, it causes my webpage to
be in endless refresh. Though, I can use the same thing in windows.
So, the problem has to do with something in debian but I am not sure
what it is
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760 [05:04:46] <rant> zethnest_: yes well as I said the small
part of a log you showed only indicates a fifo (buffer) being read
faster than its being written among interrupts (which could be
caused by the keyboard or anything else) and its coming from the DRM
which is the graphics.. and anything graphics related has two
parts.. kernel and X.. so you need to look at the xorg log as well
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762 [05:05:08] <octet> in windows, it functions correction, but
in debian, and debian+virtualbox, it does not work with any browser
763 [05:05:20] <octet> functions correctly*
764 [05:05:22] <rant> zethnest_: if nothing I've said is
helpful, then you need to provide more information because thats all
can be gathered from what you've shared
765 [05:06:22] <rant> octet: userscript is not something I'm
familiar with.. and I dont know of many scripts that work on both
windows and debian.. so you need to start making sense.. is this a
browser plugin, or what?
766 [05:06:38] <rant> are we talking javascript?
767 [05:06:46] <octet> yes, a userscript is a piece of javascript
that activates on specific webpages
768 [05:07:00] <rant> and it does this via a browser plugin?
769 [05:07:11] <octet> yeah
770 [05:07:18] <rant> which browser and plugin?
771 [05:07:33] <mnuhmnuh> octet: maybe linux is doing it right,
and win* is wrong for letting you get away with something you
shouldn't be getting.
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773 [05:07:40] <rant> heh
774 [05:08:04] *** Quits: swickrotation (~swickrota@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
775 [05:08:14] <rant> mnuhmnuh: my father always told me every
man likes a piece of ass, no man likes a smartass :P though that
never stopped me..
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777 [05:08:46] <mnuhmnuh> see no evil, hear no evil, ...
778 [05:08:58] <octet> Firefox or Chrome or Opera, and
Grease/Tamper/Violentmonkey. What seems odd is that I have tried
other combinations in my windows 7 virtualbox, but it does not
function right. only windows is letting it work. the endless refresh
makes me think it is a dns problem
779 [05:09:01] <rant> bottom line is you're asking a very
verbose question without getting to the meat o the issue
780 [05:09:05] <mnuhmnuh> it's just a valid q.
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782 [05:10:05] <rant> we can't get at what the problem is
cause we have no idea what the source of this script is, what
browsers or plygins are running it, what the expected behavior and
actual behavior is..
783 [05:10:15] <rant> you're being horribly and ambiguously
vague
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785 [05:10:31] <rant> debian doesnt have firefox, chrome, or
opera
786 [05:10:42] <rant> it has firefox-esr and chromium
787 [05:11:06] <octet> The point I am trying to make is that
neither the browsers or the plugins are at fault. the only
difference I am changing is booting in windows or booting in debian.
788 [05:11:06] <rant> and you're introducing too many
variables to get any sort of question answeered
789 [05:11:46] <rant> if you already know this, then you gotta
solve the problem.. I can't make aa determination what is the
issue if I dont even understand the circumstances under which its
occuring
790 [05:12:11] <zethnest_> rant: So I've looked into
Xorg.0.log.old, which is from the previous boot I believe.
Doesn't seem to show any error on it's last seconds
791 [05:12:21] <rant> we're just debian users volunteering
support, we're not wizards or gypsy mind readers
792 [05:13:19] <rant> zethnest_: is this happening seemingly
randomly while the machine is running, while logging in/booting,
while runing huge-foo-bar-baz-3d-application?
793 [05:13:43] <octet> I understand, I am just at a loss for why
it it works in one OS and not the other, when userscripts are never
OS or browser-specific. I guess I will try a debian live cd and see
if it works in that, or another computer altogether
794 [05:13:51] <zethnest_> Seemingly randomly whice the machine
is running.
795 [05:14:06] <rant> zethnest_: my best guess right now is to
try treat this as a bug in the kernel drm modules for your GPU
796 [05:14:06] <zethnest_> But running it idle without doing
anything doesn't freeze the machine
797 [05:14:35] <rant> zethnest_: right cause the issue is related
to interrupts causing a buffer underrun and interrupts only occur
when something is happening
798 [05:15:04] <rant> like disk i/o, keyboard input, network i/o
.. etc
799 [05:15:12] <zethnest_> Ahh I see
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801 [05:15:49] <zethnest_> Where should I start looking for
solutions?
802 [05:16:06] <rant> when a piece of hw throws an interrupt,
such as any time you move the mouse or press a key, or a disk
read/write completes.. it tells the CPU to stop what it's doing
and handle the inturrupt
803 [05:16:21] <rant> what is causing the lockup however is
likely the DRM's fifo underruning
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805 [05:16:36] <rant> and the DRM's fifo is underruning due
to interrupts
806 [05:17:36] <rant> a fifo is a buffer, think of it like a
pipe.. or a straw.. the underrun is like when you're drinking a
milkshake and get to the end and it makes that slurping sound cause
you're drinking faster than the milkshake is being filled up :P
807 [05:17:50] <rant> now who likes when their milkshake is
empty?
808 [05:17:58] <rant> linux doesn't like that either :P
809 [05:18:24] <rant> it still has a craving and there is nothing
coming down the straw
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811 [05:19:17] <rant> probably cause the interrupts caused
whatever was providing the milkshake (the gpu in this case) to not
be able to fill up the straw as fast as whatever was drinking it
(xorg probably) was sucking it out
812 [05:19:18] <zethnest_> But shouldn't that resulting the
machine just delaying while processing everything?
813 [05:19:25] <mnuhmnuh> zethnest_: any chance you could change
your display to another resolution? don't know how that's
done these days?
814 [05:19:27] <rant> yeah normally, sure
815 [05:19:39] <rant> but when there is a bug in the hw or
driver.. no.. heh
816 [05:19:41] <mnuhmnuh> perhaps it'd better handle others.
817 [05:19:53] <zethnest_> mnuhmnuh: Maybe, I'll try it
later.
818 [05:20:07] <rant> zethnest_: what does uname -r say?
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821 [05:20:36] <zethnest_> Forgot to mention the screen goes
black and sometimes there is like a one line of pixels on the screen
displaying jibberish colors
822 [05:20:41] <rant> zethnest_: my best guess at a
troubleshooting option is to try another kernel as this is probably
a kernel bug
823 [05:20:48] <zethnest_> rant: 4.9.0.7-amd64
824 [05:20:57] <rant> zethnest_: yeah the driver is choaking up
pixels.. its common in intel gpus :P
825 [05:21:07] <zethnest_> Damn it intel
826 [05:21:21] <rant> zethnest_: ok thats the stretch kernel..
maybe try the one from backports
827 [05:21:27] <rant> ,kernels
828 [05:21:28] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid:
4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1); buster: 4.17.0-1-686-pae (4.17.8-1);
stretch-backports: 4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.16-2~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-7-686-pae (4.9.110-1); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.7-686-pae (4.9.110-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
829 [05:21:29] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
830 [05:21:47] <rant> zethnest_: stretch-backports has a 4.16
kernel
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832 [05:22:01] <rant> might either solve this or at least shed
some more light on it
833 [05:22:32] <rant> I'm not really sure how new an intel
gpu the ironlake is
834 [05:23:05] <zethnest_> Ahh that so. I'll try that then.
835 [05:23:21] <zethnest_> Looks like my old install of Debian
had 4.17
836 [05:23:35] <rant> zethnest_: yes that would be a
testing/unstable system
837 [05:23:59] <zethnest_> More stable than the official stable
838 [05:24:06] <zethnest_> Thanks
839 [05:24:18] <rant> now the problem with a gpu could be in
either the kernel or xorg driver.. but being that you see no errors
in xorg and this is talking about drm and irqs, and fifo underruns,
it sounds more like its in the kernel
840 [05:24:22] <rant> which is MUCH easier to solve
841 [05:24:34] <rant> cause the kernel can be swapped out
relatively easily
842 [05:24:45] <zethnest_> Ahh nice
843 [05:24:58] <rant> you could even if need be run the
buster/sid kernel I believe
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845 [05:25:14] <zethnest_> Roger that
846 [05:25:14] <rant> afaik the buster/sid kernel has no deps not
satisfied in stretch
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848 [05:25:35] <rant> though I'd either install it manually
or pin the shit out of it
849 [05:25:57] <rant> cause you dont want to accidentally wind up
with frankendebian just trying to get a newer kernel to debug a gpu
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852 [05:26:15] <rant> the stretch-backport kernel is the safest
thing to try first
853 [05:26:28] <zethnest_> Gotcha
854 [05:26:32] <mnuhmnuh> ah, where's your sense of
adventure?
855 [05:26:38] <zethnest_> Thanks for helping me with the
troubleshooting! I'll be off now. Got stuff
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858 [05:27:08] <rant> mnuhmnuh: I sat on a toilet at a small gas
station bathroom in Yonkers, NY the other day..
859 [05:27:53] <rant> thats like maniac level adventurous there..
:P
860 [05:27:59] <mnuhmnuh> was there a gun at your head?
861 [05:28:13] <rant> heh.. no I didn't stay that long
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864 [05:29:21] <rant> though I also didn't know it was a
latino neighborhood at first, I said hello/goodmoring to someone on
the street when I guess I should've said Hola, buenas dias
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868 [05:30:18] <TC`> I did swapoff on my debian machine. There is
half the ram free. Swap no shows 14MB in use and doesn't exit.
What could be the problem?
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870 [05:30:51] <TC`> swap shows now only 14MB, after it was 4GB.
And does not exit.
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873 [05:31:34] <rant> so you have no swap enabled, and
you're wondering why it still shows 14MB in use?
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877 [05:33:08] <mnuhmnuh> TC`: type free
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880 [05:34:38] <TC`> total used free shared buff/cache available
881 [05:34:38] <TC`> Mem: 49191916 26809280 627604 590204
21755032 21178540
882 [05:34:39] <TC`> Swap: 14916 14916 0
883 [05:35:08] <TC`> Yes. I did swapoff -a
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885 [05:35:28] <mnuhmnuh> TC`: type "sudo swapon -a"
886 [05:35:42] <mnuhmnuh> multiple swap ptns?
887 [05:35:45] <TC`> But swapoff -a command did not finish
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889 [05:36:00] <TC`> just one
890 [05:36:29] <TC`> currently swapoff command is taking 90% of
one cpu core time.
891 [05:37:07] <TC`> total used free shared buff/cache available
892 [05:37:07] <TC`> Mem: 49191916 26809280 627604 590204
21755032 21178540
893 [05:37:11] <TC`> root 11827 96.0 0.0 25708 1236 pts/0 R+
05:54 40:37 swapoff -a
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895 [05:37:16] <mnuhmnuh> btw, you got in just under the wire.
use paste.debian.net or they kick you at five lines.
896 [05:37:25] <TC`> sorry
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898 [05:37:50] <mnuhmnuh> i'd kill that command
899 [05:39:41] <mnuhmnuh> pkill swapoff
900 [05:40:12] <mnuhmnuh> then i think i'd reboot.
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903 [05:41:17] <TC`> I just did Ctrl+c
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905 [05:41:27] <TC`> Swap: 14M 14M 0B
906 [05:41:43] <TC`> Swap: 14M 14M 0B
907 [05:41:51] <TC`> Swap: 6.0G 14M 6.0G
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909 [05:42:19] <mnuhmnuh> wut?
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911 [05:42:54] <TC`> I did CTRL+c on swapoff -a
912 [05:43:41] <mnuhmnuh> "Swap: 6.0G 14M 6.0G"?!?
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920 [05:45:15] <TC`> Because it di dnot finish, I guess it did
not shut down the swap, just cleared it.
921 [05:46:20] <mnuhmnuh> does swapoff clear swap? why? i thought
it just turned it off.
922 [05:46:41] <TC`> The machine has 24GB of Ram, half used and
half cached as disk. But somehow swap grew to 4GB in last two days.
923 [05:47:01] <TC`> mnuhmnuh: it does move swap back to ram.
924 [05:47:52] <TC`> if you have 100% used ram, you will end up
with out of memory applications and maybe a crashed system.
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926 [05:48:38] <TC`> Doing swapoff. But It will first tell you
that there's no memory to allocate for swap data.
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935 [05:57:46] <rant> you should flush all the caches first
936 [05:59:00] <rant>
replaced-url
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941 [06:02:21] <rant> to avoid oom or at least help mitigate it
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943 [06:03:16] <rant> if you sync changes back to disk, flush
cache, then clear swap, you're less likely to run into issues
944 [06:03:31] <squigz> My system log is being flooded with
replaced-url
945 [06:03:37] <squigz> s/pretty/printed/
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951 [06:06:56] <squigz> I'm running kernel 4.9.0-7-amd64,
not sure what other information to provide
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953 [06:08:27] <rant> well did you confirm what device is causing
the issue?
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955 [06:08:49] <rant> and is there actually a problem aside from
tthe log flooding?
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957 [06:09:13] <rant> i.e. would just stopping the flood be
considered a fix to you?
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960 [06:10:43] <rant> cause this is a bug.. something is using
the wrong identifier.. but the kernel seems to be working around it
just is apparently doing it so frequently and verbosely its filling
your logs
961 [06:11:15] <rant> squigz: don't smoke your gears on this
its a simple yes or no.. I can ttell you what other info to provide
and figure it out
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965 [06:11:48] <squigz> No, fixing the flooding itself is not a
fix. The headset is not working at all, either
966 [06:11:56] <squigz> It has before, but been problematic.
However, usually replugging fixes it
967 [06:12:27] <squigz> I'm 90% sure it's the headset
causing the issue, since as I said, it seems to only come up when I
play audio through it
968 [06:12:42] <squigz> try to play audio*
969 [06:12:47] <rant> ok then you have no idea, and the answer is
no :P
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972 [06:12:56] <squigz> sounds about right
973 [06:13:07] <rant> you need to provide the output of lsusb and
lsmod
974 [06:13:11] <squigz> Sure
975 [06:13:37] <rant> a slightly larger snipped of tthose errors
wouldnt hurt either to see which parts change
976 [06:13:56] <rant> unless its exactly tthe same
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979 [06:14:41] <squigz> lsusb
replaced-url
980 [06:14:59] <squigz> they are definitely not the same
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983 [06:16:09] <rant> yes the frame ID should be changing
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991 [06:21:45] <mns> How do I find out why packages have been
kept back from being upgraded ?
992 [06:22:20] <mns> I've got about 388 pacages not being
upgraded.
993 [06:23:00] <detly> hello, I have a debian-buster-based linaro
system that I want to connect to the internet. i can connect to
local wifi, but the problem is it's one of those gateways that
requires a login via pin entered onto a webpage served by the
gateway itself. I have only the command line ie. nmcli, nmtui. how
do I deal with the gateway's stupid page? I don't appear
to have links/lynx/w3m/any
replaced-url
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995 [06:23:31] <rant> squigz: well near as I can tell, contrary
to your belif, you have two different issues
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997 [06:24:01] <squigz> rant: I imagine *I* have more issues than
that, but glad to know my system only has two. What can you tell
998 [06:24:06] <rant> squigz: cause the errors are usb3 errors on
bus4 and that audio device you speak of is on a usb2 bus5
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1000 [06:24:57] <squigz> rant: By "that audio device", I
hope you're not referring to what is listed in lsusb as
'Texas Instruments ...'
1001 [06:24:59] <squigz> as that is different
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1003 [06:25:44] <rant> ah.. well I just assumed that is what you
were speaking of since it was the only audio device I saw on usb tha
could possible be related to this as you suspected
1004 [06:27:01] <squigz> It's the Kingston USB device, it
seems
1005 [06:27:05] <squigz> Had to verify which one it was
1006 [06:27:17] <squigz> That's the headset, to be clear,
which I know to be causing issues
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1008 [06:29:06] <squigz> The TI device is the USB connection for a
mixer that appears to be working fine, not giving me any errors when
I use it
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1012 [06:31:19] <rant> squigz: I'd try unloading the usb3
(xhci) driver and plugging this back in to see if the errors are
still generated and I'd venture to even unload the ehci (2.0)
driver if so, and see if the messages still occur with only usb
1.0/1.1
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1016 [06:33:05] <rant> both those audio devices are reported to
have worked for folk several years ago.. so I suspect its somehing
recent causing the issue you're seeing
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1019 [06:35:45] <squigz> well I just moved the headset to a
different USB port and it's working, so it's gotta be
something along those lines. I can't see behind or move my
tower right now to see what type of USB port I plugged it into :P
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1021 [06:36:26] <squigz> [ 2364.300606] usb 5-3: new full-speed
USB device number 7 using xhci_hcd
1022 [06:36:31] <squigz> That's USB3 then, isn't it?
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1039 [06:40:41] <rant> well yeah those errors suggested to me
anything from a buggy driver/device to a bad cable/port
1040 [06:41:06] <rant> I was justt trying to rule things out.. I
was also cooking but I was gonna suggest trying diff ports and
removing other usb devices as well
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1045 [06:42:23] <ElDiabolo> Hi. How do I find out the line number
of a postinstall script failure?
1046 [06:42:39] <rant> the errors are related to routing of data
on the bus so it could've been virtually anytthing :P
1047 [06:43:13] <rant> ElDiabolo: it usually tells you that sort
of thing..
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1051 [06:45:50] <ElDiabolo> rant, It just says exit code 1, and
there are several exit $? in the script.
1052 [06:45:57] <rant> ElDiabolo: tthe install scripts are
normally just bash scripts.. is this an issue with a debian package
we can maybe help you figure out or just a general question /
debugging of your own or a 3rd party package?
1053 [06:46:28] <ElDiabolo> rant, It is mariadb-server-10.1.
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1056 [06:47:23] <rant> bash script typically exit with some kinda
traceback indication unless they're exiting by an actual
"exit" command :P
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1060 [06:48:09] <ElDiabolo> rant, Unfortunately it is exiting with
exit.
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1070 [06:50:38] <rant> aside from showing the full output and
treating this like a debian packaging issue, my best advice to
answer your specific question would be to ask #bash about ways to
more accurately debug/traceback scripts.. which I dont know offhand
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1075 [06:53:12] <mnuhmnuh> ElDiabolo: you can "set -x"
to make it show its work.
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1080 [06:56:50] <mnuhmnuh> you can wrap any block of script w set
-x/set +x to turn on and off.
1081 [06:57:47] <ElDiabolo> Thx, I just removed the old mysql
stuff, /etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql. That did it.
1082 [06:59:24] <mnuhmnuh> or, use a sledgehammer.
1083 [07:02:32] <ElDiabolo> mnuhmnuh, I am actually considering
that. The install went through, but I can't connect.
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1095 [07:13:42] <detly> squigz: sorry, I missed the start of your
issue, but I have had *numerous* issues with USB3 buses not liking
multiple devices running at different speeds. I'd check if it
still works in the same port as you saw problems with, but with
every other device removed.
1096 [07:13:52] <detly> (apologies if that's already been
covered)
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1098 [07:15:31] <rant> yeah I never heard anymore about it but
that was my line of thinking
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1225 [09:08:34] <xormor> should I wait for a few days so the
dependencies are met for some i386 arch packages? some of the
dependencies are unavailable.
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1229 [09:12:18] <xormor>
replaced-url
1230 [09:13:17] <cluelessperson> question, I installed nfs-common
through apt on debian
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1232 [09:13:23] <cluelessperson> it works on one machine
1233 [09:13:29] <cluelessperson> but can't mount nfs on
another machine
1234 [09:13:39] <cluelessperson> mount.nfs: requested NFS version
or transport protocol is not supported
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1240 [09:15:27] <xormor>
replaced-url
1241 [09:15:29] <blackflow> xormor: use full-upgrade
1242 [09:15:43] <xormor> blackflow, ok. thanks. I will try.
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1244 [09:16:24] <blackflow> cluelessperson: which debian versions
are involved?
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1246 [09:17:07] <blackflow> cluelessperson: or try mount.nfs4
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1248 [09:17:53] <xormor> blackflow,
replaced-url
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1250 [09:19:18] <cluelessperson> blackflow: debian 9
1251 [09:19:23] <blackflow> xormor: first why are you prefixing
that with LC_ALL=C? Do you have wrong locales set up there? Then,
are you using or combining different debian repositories, and/or
backports?
1252 [09:19:43] <`whoami`> apt allows "upgrade",
"dist-upgrade" and "full-upgrade" ? that is
confusing. Need to read the manual
1253 [09:19:43] <apt> I think you lost me on that one, `whoami`
1254 [09:20:16] <cluelessperson> Linux cups 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1256 [09:20:49] <blackflow> `whoami`: no, full-upgrade is
apt-get's dist-upgrade
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1258 [09:21:51] <`whoami`> ah, ok. thanks
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1270 [09:35:16] <xrogaan> Asking about backports, should I got to
debian-next over at oftc?
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1273 [09:36:40] <cluelessperson> I don't understand
1274 [09:36:48] <cluelessperson> nfs-common is all I had to
install for mounting nfs to work
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1278 [09:38:37] <blackflow> cluelessperson: did you try with
mount.nfs4?
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1280 [09:38:50] <blackflow> cluelessperson: not package but
command.
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1283 [09:40:12] <cluelessperson> blackflow: mount.nfs4: requested
NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
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1290 [09:43:08] <blackflow> cluelessperson: sorry, not sure what
it could be then
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1298 [09:49:29] <xormor> blackflow, I am using backports, and my
locale is Finnish that I change to LC_ALL=C for pastebin to show the
English language error messages to this channel.
1299 [09:51:38] <xormor> blackflow, fi_FI.UTF-8 is the locale I
have set up on my system, but that is not the problem, the problem
is the backports. The packages the system wanted to upgrade are from
backports, and apparently Debian stable 9 "stretch" does
not have the versions of the packages it needs for dependencies to
upgrade the backports packages.
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1308 [09:55:45] <xormor> blackflow,
replaced-url
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1310 [09:57:15] <xormor> I do not want to remove wine32:i386, and
aptitude wants to remove it. I have a bad memory of once letting
some package manager remove wine32 and I could not reinstall it, so
I reinstalled the whole Debian system.
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1327 [10:03:44] <xormor> is there a sound explanation for why
wine32:i386 must be removed to meet the dependencies?
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1335 [10:07:37] <Foloex> hello world
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1338 [10:08:11] <Foloex> I was issue with my desktop computer that
hands randomly, it just freezes
1339 [10:08:25] <Foloex> even the num lock freezes
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1341 [10:08:49] <fpat> Foloex: what is it doing before the crash?
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1343 [10:09:12] <Foloex> nothing, it's like instant freeze
1344 [10:09:16] <Foloex> while I'm using it
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1346 [10:09:41] <Foloex> It usually happens once a day, mostly in
the middle of the afternoon
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1348 [10:10:24] <xormor> Foloex, is it heating up?
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1351 [10:10:57] <Foloex> I don't think it does
1352 [10:11:11] <Foloex> it's not a shutdown or a reboot
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1355 [10:11:39] <Foloex> I wonder if it happens during a disk
write though
1356 [10:11:47] <Foloex> but I can't be sure
1357 [10:12:05] <Foloex> I don't really know how to diagnose
this
1358 [10:12:08] <petn-randall> Foloex: I'm assuming it's
a hardware issue. I'd try running memtest86 on it over night.
1359 [10:12:34] <Foloex> petn-randall: ok, I'll try that
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1363 [10:14:08] <Foloex> is there a tool that can log temperature
throughout the day ?
1364 [10:14:48] <Foloex> after a reboot the CPU has time to
cooldown before I can get to a temperature display
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1366 [10:15:30] <petn-randall> Foloex: You can read it out with
lmsensors. You could also try to put load on it with cpuburn.
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1368 [10:16:18] <Foloex> thanks for cpuburn, I didn't know
about this tool
1369 [10:16:22] <Foloex> I like the name
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1371 [10:16:46] <petn-randall> hehe :)
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1375 [10:22:48] <cluelessperson> well I'm stuck
1376 [10:22:55] <cluelessperson> I installed nfs-common but the
nfs client doesn't work
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1403 [10:36:24] <blackflow> xormor: sorry, phone, clients, all
that.... what's installed from backports?
1404 [10:37:01] <xormor> blackflow, hmm... how do I check it out?
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1407 [10:38:29] <blackflow> xormor: otoh, you could grep the
output of dpkg -l for ~bpo, I'm also not sure if all of them
have the ~ prefix
1408 [10:38:59] <blackflow> xormor: lines in that output starting
with ii are installed
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1414 [10:43:09] <xormor> blackflow, it seems the system just wants
to upgrade to backports, that they are not installed yet, except
perhaps for the following ones:
replaced-url
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1416 [10:44:38] <xormor> blackflow, I used to do "sudo apt -t
stretch-backports update && sudo apt -t stretch-backports
upgrade" earlier, or was it "apt-get"? but it was not
on this installation. AFAIK I have not installed anything from
backports yet manually, but some automatic installation may have
been done, or perhaps it just wants to upgrade to those from
"non-backports".
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1420 [10:46:33] <blackflow> xormor: I could be wrong but I think
if you do blanket -t stretch-backports for upgrade, you give it
permission to upgrade ALL packages to available newer versions from
backports.
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1422 [10:47:12] <xormor> blackflow, I think you are right.
1423 [10:47:16] <xormor> blackflow,
replaced-url
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1432 [10:50:05] <blackflow> xormor: what if you use full-upgrade
with -t stretch-backports? although personally I don't use
backports, I would limit those only to a few absolutely needed ones
from bpo
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1446 [10:57:46] <xormor> blackflow, it wants to remove wine32:i386
1447 [10:58:09] <MrScoumoune_> Hey
1448 [10:58:09] <xormor> blackflow, I want to keep it for the day
I want to play a Win32 game.
1449 [10:58:25] <MrScoumoune_> recently i try to install privoxy,
i have install past 2 years
1450 [10:58:42] <MrScoumoune_> but actualy that didnt work with
debian probably update
1451 [10:59:12] <MrScoumoune_> any have idea why actualy that
didn't work ?
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1457 [11:01:00] <xormor> blackflow,
replaced-url
1458 [11:01:03] <`whoami`> MrScoumoune_: hi, did you check the
logs for errors ?
1459 [11:01:10] <MrScoumoune_> yes
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1461 [11:01:29] <MrScoumoune_> that failure when systemctl to
start service
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1463 [11:01:55] <MrScoumoune_> Habitualy that work, so is it on
all new update debian or is it just me lol
1464 [11:02:23] <`whoami`> what's the error message ? Did you
google it ?
1465 [11:02:27] <MrScoumoune_> yes
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1467 [11:02:37] <MrScoumoune_> i have read most post and other
1468 [11:02:47] <MrScoumoune_> wait i past you the lines
1469 [11:03:05] <`whoami`> please use a pastebin if you plan to
paste multiple lines
1470 [11:03:11] <MrScoumoune_> is it when apt install privoxy that
failure i have remove
1471 [11:03:11] <blackflow> xormor: can you please use a saner
pastebin, like dpaste.de? I have hard time reading pastebin.com
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1473 [11:03:29] <MrScoumoune_> yes no problem
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1475 [11:03:46] <`whoami`> just guessing, don't you have
another software listening on the port privoxy wants to listen to ?
1476 [11:04:36] <MrScoumoune_> i have no software who listen port
privoxy but that a great question
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1478 [11:04:52] <xormor> blackflow, OK. for now I have decided to
remove stretch-backports from sources.list because it causes too
much of a hassle and I do not really need the backports. I was using
them just for fun, as a hobby, to keep myself busy and entertained.
I am now tired of the backports hassle, and will look for a time I
REALLY need it.
1479 [11:05:12] <MrScoumoune_> the only change is it p6 i have
disable it
1480 [11:05:29] <GreatL> this problem i have right now is driving
me mad i had it twice.. had to reinstall the OS yesterday to fix it,
but still it broke. what packages i have installed?: nvidia 390,77
from official site, steam, redeclipse game, other software but was
through apt (same with steam). MY PROBLEM IS: that i can't boot
my beautiful debian 9 system, it a 'grub rescue mode'
problem :S
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1482 [11:05:40] <cluelessperson> nfs-utils.service is a disabled
or a static unit, not starting it
1483 [11:05:44] <MrScoumoune_>
replaced-url
1484 [11:05:49] <cluelessperson> when I install nfs-common, that
message is given
1485 [11:05:49] <MrScoumoune_> after an apt install privoxy
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1487 [11:06:30] <GreatL> please highlight me when talking to me,
im having a grub rescue mode problem, which is driving me mad
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1491 [11:07:12] <MrScoumoune_> journalctl say that : Creating
config file /etc/privoxy/config with new version
1492 [11:07:12] <GreatL> i also have a luks encrypted harddrive
1493 [11:07:15] <MrScoumoune_> Created symlink
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/privoxy.service →
/lib/systemd/system/privoxy.service.
1494 [11:07:17] <MrScoumoune_> Job for privoxy.service failed
because the control process exited with error code.
1495 [11:07:19] <MrScoumoune_> oups osrry
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1498 [11:08:28] <blackflow> xormor: I'd also recommend using
wine from winehq directly. PLENTY of new features and bugfixes, wine
in debian repos is a abit too stale for that.
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1500 [11:09:00] <blackflow> xormor: winehq has a repo you can set
up in sources.list for that
1501 [11:09:02] <`whoami`> MrScoumoune_: could you please make
sure nothing is already listening to the port, using " ss |
grep 8118 " (which is the default port privoxy uses, iirc).
1502 [11:09:09] <`whoami`> MrScoumoune_: you might need to run
this as root
1503 [11:09:10] <xormor> blackflow, yes. thanks.
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1505 [11:09:20] <MrScoumoune_> yes ok whoami
1506 [11:09:30] <cluelessperson> GreatL: what's the problem?
1507 [11:09:34] <cluelessperson> reading
1508 [11:09:39] <subb1> Hi, all.
1509 [11:09:49] <subb1> I have Debian 9, with 4.9.0-4-amd64
kernel. I want to upgrade the kernel, for specific reasons. I run
`apt-cache search linux-image` and I get a list of available
kernels. My question - say I select `linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64`
kernel, do I have to also install the header package
linux-headers-4.9.0-7-amd64`?`
1510 [11:09:58] <MrScoumoune_> nothing listen on port 8118 ihave
test ss | grep 8118
1511 [11:09:58] <`whoami`> MrScoumoune_: that's my only
guess. If nothing is listening, i'll leave that for someone
else, sorry.
1512 [11:09:59] <cluelessperson> GreatL: reinstall grub
1513 [11:10:10] <`whoami`> okay then. Sorry :\
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1515 [11:10:20] <MrScoumoune_> ok whoami is it possible because i
have disable ipv6 ?
1516 [11:10:38] <MrScoumoune_> i think no but not sure i have read
a post with disable ipv6 and error privoxy
1517 [11:10:48] <`whoami`> it might be
1518 [11:10:49] <Dagger> protip: don't disable v6
1519 [11:11:03] <Dagger> we're long past the point where
that's an appropriate response to anything
1520 [11:11:10] <MrScoumoune_> lol
1521 [11:11:15] <GreatL> cluelessperson: how :)
1522 [11:11:22] <MrScoumoune_> is very fast i reactive ipv6 for
testing
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1524 [11:12:26] <cluelessperson> GreatL: boot a live usb, mount
the luks disk, use grub2 to install over the old one
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1527 [11:13:02] <blackflow> subb1: ideally you should only use the
latest kernel in the major version branch, here 4.9 is considered
major version. kernel headers have to be in sync with the kernel,
yes, for situations where the headers are needed (like DKMS)
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1534 [11:16:15] <subb1> blackflow, I need not build any modules
for the kernel, I can just go `apt-get install
linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64`? (yes, 4.9.0-7-amd64 is the top in the
list, so latest I guess)
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1536 [11:17:27] <petn-randall> subb1: Just install
linux-image-amd64, it will always point to the latest kernel in that
release.
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1538 [11:18:06] <petn-randall> subb1: Also, it should be
automatically upgraded when running `apt-get upgrade`, just like any
other package on your system.
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1543 [11:20:07] <blackflow> subb1: what petn-randall said.
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1547 [11:21:15] <MrScoumoune_> so
1548 [11:21:25] <MrScoumoune_> dont disable ipv6 with privoxy
1549 [11:21:27] <MrScoumoune_> when you disble that failure i dont
why
1550 [11:21:34] <MrScoumoune_> maybe for lo
1551 [11:21:38] <petn-randall> !enter
1552 [11:21:38] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
1553 [11:21:50] <MrScoumoune_> i tink because ipv6 disable in
"lo" and privoxy use it
1554 [11:21:54] <subb1> blackflow, petn-randall, noted.. :)
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1558 [11:24:59] <subb1> ok, thanks guys!
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1566 [11:29:57] <GreatL> cluelessperson: i can't mount luks,
will try in terminal
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1570 [11:32:10] <GreatL> where should i manually mount the luks
device to cluelessperson
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1586 [11:41:29] <cluelessperson> GreatL: /join #android
1587 [11:41:32] <cluelessperson> ... ignore
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1634 [11:54:22] <COOurb> accidentally deleted some packages in
synaptic
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1636 [11:54:41] <COOurb> And now I can't install them
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1690 [12:24:19] <COOurb> fixed
1691 [12:24:30] <iflema> COOurb: nice work
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1717 [12:40:49] <sagat> Need an urgent help please. My pam.d
config is messed up after removing fprintd. Login does not accept my
password, added a new user with a new password from maintanence,
still does not accept. What can I do to login debian?
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1731 [12:49:05] <petn-randall> !frp
1732 [12:49:05] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
1733 [12:49:21] <petn-randall> sagat: Use the steps above, and at
step 4 you fix your system instead.
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1750 [13:02:26] <sagat> petn-randall: okay i did the first step,
but it says /bin/sh: 0 : cant access tty job control turned off
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1752 [13:02:44] <sagat> after that i did fsck and it said all
clean
1753 [13:03:32] <sagat> then followed till step four, password
updated succesfully
1754 [13:03:41] <sagat> but still when i reboot the same
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1771 [13:15:13] <petn-randall> sagat: You ignored my new step 4.
1772 [13:15:38] <sagat> petn-randall
1773 [13:15:49] <sagat> sorry a bit in panic, what to do at step 4
then?
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1776 [13:15:54] <sagat> how to fix it?
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1778 [13:16:41] <sagat> petn-randall: I mean, how to fix it at
step four?
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1830 [13:53:00] <Stutters> Hi there, I'm somewhat lost as to
what way to make my script be run at startup. The thing is that the
script is a daemon which listens in the background. How would you
automatically start it on a debian 8?
1831 [13:53:36] <daemon> stick it in /etc/rc.local :)
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1856 [14:09:05] <Stutters> daemon: That works fine for daemons?
1857 [14:09:34] <daemon> Stutters, if present rc.local is just a
script that runs as root at system boot time
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1859 [14:09:46] <daemon> its deprecated I expected people
screaming
1860 [14:09:59] <daemon> but I use it regularly got when im to
lazy to write a proper rc for something
1861 [14:10:08] <daemon> or for when I want something executed
'really last'
1862 [14:10:19] <daemon> rc.local is executed after all other
startup scripts have completed
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1864 [14:10:39] <daemon>
replaced-url
1865 [14:10:42] <daemon> may be of interest
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1869 [14:12:37] <Stutters> daemon: So in theory systemd service
would be better, but this is a faster, lazier solution? Do I get
that correct?
1870 [14:12:48] <daemon> yep pretty much
1871 [14:12:50] <Stutters> And thanks, I appreciate your answer,
never knew what's what :P
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1873 [14:13:03] <daemon> :)
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1895 [14:21:11] <blackflow> Stutters: I disagree. The amount of
keypresses needed to get a proper systemd unit/service going is not
significantly greater, and you get to do it TheRightWay(tm).
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1897 [14:22:51] <annadane> wonder what'll be changed with
systemd in buster, they're already up to 7 versions (232 in
stretch, 239 in sid)
1898 [14:23:09] <Stutters> blackflow: I see. Can you tell me if
I'm on the right track with TheRightWay? I found this:
replaced-url
1899 [14:23:19] <Stutters> What caught my attention is that answer
with 18 upvotes..
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1902 [14:24:03] <Stutters> Pretty simple and straight forward. Is
that what you meant? (I need it for debian 8 though, assuming
systemd works the very same way as in CentOS 7 though :O)
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1906 [14:25:19] <blackflow> Stutters: the one below, by
"decimal" is even better.
1907 [14:26:17] <blackflow> Stutters: few things tho: 1) define
proper dependency, if there is one and 2) make sure Type=simple is
really what you want. to replace shell scripts thats it. If you had
something that daemonized, then Type=forking.
1908 [14:26:35] <Stutters> blackflow: Okay, but the basic idea of
Alexander (18 upvotes) still applies? So I'd use script by
decimal, edit it and go on with Alexander then? :)
1909 [14:27:13] <Stutters> blackflow: Well my script is basically
a daemon. Listening to a port and processing requests. I assume
forking then?
1910 [14:27:22] <blackflow> Stutters: both are fine actually,
decimal's is a bit more precise with After=network.target,
Type=simple and given timeout.
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1914 [14:27:44] <blackflow> Stutters: yes, if your script starts a
process that detaches from it, then Type=forking
1915 [14:28:10] <Stutters> blackflow: Yeah, I think decimal's
pretty fine, also with the network target since it's listening
to the outside world.
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1917 [14:28:18] <daemon> blackflow, 0_o
1918 [14:28:26] <daemon> this is where you vanished too
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1920 [14:28:45] <Stutters> blackflow: Oh oh... is this wife?^^
1921 [14:28:48] <blackflow> Stutters: infact... what exactly is
it? It's actually better to start teh daemon in foreground (no
forking) for Type=simple. and btw, I typo'd above, I meant
Type=oneshot for simple exec'd scripts.
1922 [14:29:02] <blackflow> Oh, shi-!
1923 [14:29:11] <daemon> :)
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1925 [14:29:35] <daemon> blackflow, nearly convinced dstolfa to
join me on a live chat on air if you interested in an invite and why
did you vanish from the pub
1926 [14:29:41] <daemon> beer needs drinking!
1927 [14:29:46] <blackflow> daemon: nah, thanks.
1928 [14:30:25] <Stutters> blackflow: Well my script.sh executes
this basically: java -jar example.jar
1929 [14:30:43] <Stutters> And the example.jar is the daemon
itself listening to a specific port then.
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1932 [14:31:14] <daemon> Stutters, you could probably wrap that
nicely in the 'daemon' binary if systemd does not do that
already somehow
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1935 [14:32:39] <Stutters> daemon: To be honest I wouldn't
know how to do that.
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1937 [14:33:01] <daemon> Stutters, apt-get install daemon
&& man daemon
1938 [14:33:07] <Stutters> I wish I did, because I'm really
attracted to words like "nicely", "the right
way" and "chocolate"..
1939 [14:33:20] <daemon> it may be installed 'by
default' I only really use debian to host docker stuff with so
not quite my os :P
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1944 [14:35:03] <Stutters> daemon: Oh, this is really sexy too
*reads*
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1946 [14:35:45] <daemon> no problem, just remember this aint my os
so if someone else says its wrong they are probably right :)
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1948 [14:36:38] <Stutters> daemon: I see! Thank you :) I will
probably go with the systemd way for now, but this thing is
definitely nice to have at disposal as well! :)
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1950 [14:36:48] <bond_james> hey guys
1951 [14:36:56] <daemon> Stutters, indeed an never have enough
toys
1952 [14:37:33] <Stutters> daemon: :)
1953 [14:37:43] <Stutters> blackflow: Thank you too, that was
awesome! :)
1954 [14:37:56] <bond_james> I'm stuck on grub terminal after
I goofed the grub conf which now points to the wrong partition. is
there any simpler way of booting up from grub?
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1956 [14:39:24] <blackflow> Stutters: you got it sorted, cool.
sorry, I was derailed by a phone call.
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1958 [14:40:52] <Stutters> blackflow: Yeah no worries, I figured
daemon would decide to call you directly :P
1959 [14:41:33] <blackflow> =)
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1968 [14:44:24] <Stutters> blackflow: Oh well, maybe one question.
I need to create this file: /usr/lib/systemd/system/my.service . The
only thing is that folder "system" doesn't exist on
this debian. I just create it?
1969 [14:44:56] <blackflow> Stutters: no, that dir is for system
defaults and packages. You add your service files to
/etc/systemd/system/
1970 [14:45:05] <blackflow> that's also where you override
existing ones
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1972 [14:46:26] <blackflow> Stutters: btw, reading up backlog, no
using the daemon binary is not the solution. Systemd has all the
facilities.
1973 [14:47:11] <blackflow> that's the Type=simple service
type. Systemd takes over daemonization and process control
_directly_
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1989 [14:56:42] <Stutters> blackflow: I see :)
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1991 [15:00:00] <Dazax> Hello, anybody can help me with debian
(stretch) preseed ? I can't have an install process with an
azerty layout keyboard (qwerty with anything)
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2011 [15:08:18] <daemon> hey all how would I bring up a
docker-compose with the system its self
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2014 [15:09:11] <daemon> ah got it
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2022 [15:13:45] <daemon> Stutters,
2023 [15:13:45] <daemon>
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2024 [15:13:48] <daemon> works a treat
2025 [15:13:54] <daemon> should work for your java thing too
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2058 [15:27:47] <Stutters> daemon: Thanks! :)
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2062 [15:29:53] <Stutters> blackflow: I assume if the service
definition is somehow wrong, my system will still be able to boot,
right?
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2070 [15:33:42] <blackflow> Stutters: yes, unless that service is
in a critical dependency chain. You can always `systemctl start
that.service` and verify that the service definition is correct and
everything works as expected.
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2075 [15:36:25] <Stutters> blackflow: Perfect, thanks! :)
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2151 [16:24:47] <Zesk> Hello, I'm using vconfig to use vlan
with debian 9, but at each reboot, files under /proc/net/vlan
disappear therefore my vlan interface don't go up. I remember
on debian 8, i had to "vconfig int XX" only once
2152 [16:24:59] <Zesk> What am I missing?
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2180 [16:39:25] <wrq7253> Zesk: configuring vlan with vconfig (as
well as with ip link ...) does not survive a reboot
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2182 [16:39:44] <wrq7253> Zesk: also in debian 8
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2187 [16:40:46] <wrq7253> Zesk: and /proc is not a real file
system, it just reflect internal states of the kernel
2188 [16:42:14] <hsn> i need stable location for source code tars.
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2195 [16:45:49] <Zesk> wrq7253: oh, is there any way to keep
vconfig configuration through reboot or should I create a service to
start before network?
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2203 [16:48:48] <wrq7253> Zesk: i guess permanent vlan config must
go into /etc/network/interfaces
2204 [16:48:55] <wrq7253> Zesk: see man 5 interfaces
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2295 [17:28:03] <JordiGH> Is it possible to get a Linux that
doesn't have meltdown/spectre mitigations?
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2298 [17:29:20] <blackflow> JordiGH: you can disable the
mitigations with kernel options.
2299 [17:29:21] <annadane> try ##linux
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2302 [17:29:45] <JordiGH> blackflow: In grub?
2303 [17:29:57] <JordiGH> You don't mean compile options
right?
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2307 [17:30:20] <blackflow> JordiGH: yes, kernel command line
options or whatsitcalled. Quick googling returns this for
explanation:
replaced-url
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2310 [17:30:46] <JordiGH> Like, what's my threat model here?
2311 [17:31:05] <JordiGH> Can you exploit with js? That's
about the only untrusted code I run.
2312 [17:31:06] <blackflow> JordiGH: that's something _you_
should define?
2313 [17:31:26] <blackflow> JordiGH: yes, but browsers mitigate
that now with less precise js timers
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2315 [17:31:38] <JordiGH> I mean, I assume none of the binaries I
download from Debian will attack me. The only attack is from
browsers.
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2319 [17:32:05] <blackflow> JordiGH: at any rate, any vector that
can result with RCE can xploit meltre. question is, what's the
value of it.
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2329 [17:34:50] <mnuhmnuh> have good backups, and know where your
reinstall iso is.
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2332 [17:35:15] <blackflow> mnuhmnuh: meltre exploits are
infoleak, not something that can, per se, modify your system.
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2334 [17:36:35] <mnuhmnuh> glad i don't have anything anyone
wants. :-)
2335 [17:36:40] <JordiGH> mnuhmnuh: I shall also lawyer up, hit
the gym, and delete facebook.
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2338 [17:37:26] <blackflow> what's facebook?
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2340 [17:37:53] <JordiGH> Web IRC service.
2341 [17:38:05] <mnuhmnuh> the new and better email.
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2343 [17:38:27] <annadane> the other thing apart from climate
change which will doom all of humanity
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2346 [17:38:44] <mnuhmnuh> broadcast only, never need receive
again.
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2351 [17:39:07] <mnuhmnuh> Iot will get us first.
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2353 [17:39:26] <blackflow> nah, we're covered. S in IoT
stands for Security.
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2356 [17:39:57] <mnuhmnuh> that was funny the first time you said
it.
2357 [17:40:47] <blackflow> that's funny every time. that
kind of funny that makes you laugh and slowly transition to crying.
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2375 [17:52:19] <annadane> can someone elucidate the
differences/efficacy of redshift as compared to xbacklight?
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2379 [17:54:05] <mnuhmnuh> color temp. vs. baclight level; sounds
a little like apples & oranges.
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2382 [17:54:54] <annadane> i guess i'm wondering if
xbacklight can do what redshift can vis. provide location and have
the screen brightness change gradually
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2394 [18:02:40] <mnuhmnuh> blackflow: "Insecurely-Designed
Internet of Things" -- "Peter G. Neumann"
<neumann@csl.sri.com>, risk digest moderator.
2395 [18:02:53] <mnuhmnuh> idiot
2396 [18:03:13] <mnuhmnuh> not you.
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2452 [18:21:37] <annadane> i look forward to the impending
password ...
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2468 [18:27:21] <blackflow> mnuhmnuh: now S in IDIOT does stand
for security :)
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2519 [19:03:14] <lungaro_> can pbuilder be told to not build a
source package?
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2521 [19:05:16] <mnuhmnuh> pbuilder update?
2522 [19:05:31] <ChmEarl> dpkg-buildpackage -B ? or -b
2523 [19:05:45] <ChmEarl> binary only
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2525 [19:06:07] <lungaro_> oh interesting
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2527 [19:06:14] <lungaro_> that should speed things up! thanks,
i'll give that a shot
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2529 [19:06:23] <lungaro_> how to pass taht to pbuilder though?
2530 [19:06:50] <ChmEarl> env var
2531 [19:07:25] <lungaro_> --debbuildopts looks like it
2532 [19:07:36] <lungaro_> more preferred to use DEBBUILDOPTS ?
2533 [19:08:28] <ChmEarl> yes
2534 [19:09:22] <lungaro_> cheers
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2560 [19:24:50] <mnuhmnuh> talley ho. pip pip.
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2590 [19:44:27] <fpat> i installed kde-spectacle on debian 9 and
wonder now how i enable it when they print key is pressed. sadly,
there is no man page and the doc directory is empty too
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2604 [19:50:08] * mnuhmnuh oftc's getting it again. :-(
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2607 [19:51:29] <fpat> :(
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2611 [19:53:00] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: "replaces KSnapshot",
so ...
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2617 [19:55:02] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: in a terminal, try
"kde-spectacle -help" or "kde-spectacle &"
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2651 [20:12:03] <fpat> what the heck. executable gone now?
2652 [20:12:19] <fpat> i was upstairs for a smoke :(
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2659 [20:16:10] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: which kde-spectacle
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2661 [20:16:28] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: locate kde-spectacle
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2666 [20:17:05] <mnuhmnuh> fpat: find /usr -type f -name
kde\-spectacle
2667 [20:17:45] <fpat> yes, yes, YES. i am unhealthy but not
stupid
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2671 [20:18:56] <mnuhmnuh> hey, i know how tough it is to type
with those doggy paws; take your time, just tryin' to help.
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2676 [20:20:55] <fpat> mnuhmnuh: sorry
2677 [20:21:02] <mnuhmnuh> np. :-)
2678 [20:21:07] <fpat> thanks :)
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2696 [20:28:53] <zentris> So has anyone heard anything about them
fixing debian wiki registration? Still unable to register and no one
has responded via wiki@debian.org
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2706 [20:32:03] <mnuhmnuh> i wonder if asking in #debian-mentors
might help?
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2714 [20:35:07] <RoyK> mnuhmnuh: #debian-dementors? ;)
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2744 [20:49:54] <mnuhmnuh> RoyK: i'll parse that as
"gnome".
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2754 [20:56:43] <terrible> im planning a new flesh install of
debian stretch but my questions is how many disk space i should give
to swap if i have 6gb of ram
2755 [20:56:43] <terrible> ?
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2760 [20:59:18] <RoyK> terrible: flesh or fresh? ;) How much swap
you need, depends on your workload etc, but normally a few gigs will
do well. Setup the machine on LVM and don't allocate it all -
that way you can expand the swapspace (and filesystems) later
according to needs
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2763 [21:00:20] <mnuhmnuh> terrible: i have 8gb swap, 4 gb ram,
but i can afford the space. depends how much you don't want
your machine to ever crash from oom.
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2766 [21:00:42] <terrible> RoyK, hahaha i mean fresh
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2769 [21:01:53] <terrible> i want the system can run smooth cause
i have 6gb installed
2770 [21:02:07] <RoyK> terrible: you don't need a lot of swap
- better start with a little if you don't have too much disk
space - monitor it with munin or zabbix or something - and add more
swap as needed
2771 [21:02:22] <RoyK> if the system uses a lot of swap, you have
too little RAM
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2773 [21:02:43] <terrible> i have plenty of disk space
2774 [21:02:47] <terrible> 1tb
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2778 [21:04:28] <RoyK> terrible: well, just give it 2xRAM, then
2779 [21:04:30] <RoyK> should do
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2781 [21:05:10] <RoyK> terrible: but please monitor it - munin is
very simple to setup and will tell you with nice graphs how much
swap is in use and a ton of other stuff
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2784 [21:06:16] <terrible> i heard that with 2gb of swap is enough
if i have 4gb of ram or more already installed on my system
2785 [21:06:20] <terrible> that is true
2786 [21:06:20] <terrible> ?
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2789 [21:06:54] <mnuhmnuh> terrible: i run fluxbox. never touch
swap. ymmv.
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2798 [21:14:05] <mnuhmnuh> swap only comes into it when processes
in ram need to be swapped out to make room for other/new processes.
2799 [21:15:21] <jhutchin1_wk> terrible: If you have a laptop, and
want to use suspend-to-disk, you need your swap to equal your RAM
(That's where suspend writes the memory image).
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2801 [21:15:53] <mnuhmnuh> swap speed is horribly low compared to
ram, so you don't want to use it. it's intended as a
safety feature agains crashing from oom.
2802 [21:16:52] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchin1_wk: or that too. :-)
2803 [21:17:19] <jhutchin1_wk> If your swap space is much more
than 4G and you actually start to use it, it can be slower the
bigger it is. One recomendation I've seen is 2x RAM up to 4G,
then just cap it at 4G unless you deal with REALLY BIG datasets.
2804 [21:17:53] <jhutchin1_wk> I haven't seen
"suspend" on a desktop PC in a long time.
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2808 [21:18:59] <terrible> i decide to give 8gb to swap
2809 [21:19:03] <terrible> is that ok
2810 [21:19:13] <terrible> i have 6gb of ram installed
2811 [21:19:26] <mnuhmnuh> w a TB drive? you tell us.
2812 [21:20:00] <mnuhmnuh> jh just said cap it at 4
2813 [21:20:08] <jhutchin1_wk> Interesting. In irssi, if I /clear
the tab for a channel, switch away, and switch back the text is
restored.
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2821 [21:24:37] <terrible> mnuhmnuh, yes 1tb of hard disk
2822 [21:24:41] <terrible> why?
2823 [21:26:16] <mnuhmnuh> that's a lot of space! 8 gb out of
a TB drive ain't much of a hit.
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2833 [21:29:22] <hxmuller> I came in the middle of the discussion,
but
replaced-url
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2837 [21:30:08] <mnuhmnuh> go ahead, confuse us w facts.
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2842 [21:32:02] <RoyK> terrible: you can adjust the amount of swap
linux uses with sysctl vm.swappiness - it usually isn't a lot -
if it's over a gigabyte, you probably have too little RAM
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2853 [21:34:45] <mspe> waw, I thought you had no choice but to
dedicate partition(s) for swapping
2854 [21:34:58] <mspe> didn't even occur to me to try to do
it with a file
2855 [21:35:21] <RoyK> mspe: use partitions or even better - LVs -
files are slower - much slower
2856 [21:35:29] <drablyechos> you can swap to anything
2857 [21:35:41] <mspe> I know but just the technical possibility
^^
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2859 [21:35:48] <drablyechos> yeah
2860 [21:36:08] <drablyechos> I have been in situations where I
needed to free up some RAM to get something done temporarily and
just swapped to a file
2861 [21:36:22] <drablyechos> it is slow but it got the job done
without the need to go and set up a partition
2862 [21:36:35] <drablyechos> it is good to know about that
technical possibility
2863 [21:36:38] <hxmuller> enable zswap?
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2865 [21:36:49] <hxmuller> echo 1 >
/sys/module/zswap/parameters/enabled
2866 [21:37:01] <RoyK> the secret is to use LVM all the way and
not allocate it all and just add a new swap LV when needed
2867 [21:37:02] <mspe> zswap?
2868 [21:37:16] <RoyK> mspe: compressed swap
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2871 [21:37:28] <mspe> to be even slower? :D
2872 [21:37:48] <RoyK> depends on your storage, if you're on
spinning rust, it'll probably be faster
2873 [21:37:49] <hxmuller> should be faster than swapping to a
spinner
2874 [21:38:52] <drablyechos> if you really need that much RAM and
you're using swap a lot, I'd recommend just getting
yourself a VPS with all the RAM you're gonna need
2875 [21:39:34] <jhutchin1_wk> RoyK: LVM does have some overhead,
but it's only noticible in extreme conditions. It's
slightly slower than direct access.
2876 [21:39:38] <drablyechos> swapping is not ideal and it can
really thrash your disk by taking up a lot of iops
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2878 [21:40:05] <RoyK> jhutchin1_wk: everything has an overhead,
but the gain with lvm is worth it
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2881 [21:42:02] <hxmuller> i like lvm with encryption on laptops
with a single drive, I haven't quite figured it out yet on
desktops with /home and /var on a different drive than /
2882 [21:42:39] <hxmuller> but that's a different topic
2883 [21:42:54] <mspe> nowadays I only have data partitions (and
swap ones, but only for rare emergencies)
2884 [21:43:04] <drablyechos> curious question on the topic of
swap - if you are using swap space for storing stuff in memory, does
it leave stuff on the disk that could be later recovered by
forensics tools?
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2886 [21:43:43] <hxmuller> I believe that's why full disk
encryption also encrypts swap
2887 [21:43:51] <hxmuller> to prevent that
2888 [21:43:54] <drablyechos> since physical RAM is volatile,
unless you like freeze the memory sticks immediately after removing
from the machine, it is hard to recover anything off of it
2889 [21:43:57] <drablyechos> hm
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2893 [21:44:50] <drablyechos> does encrypted swap add extra
overhead?
2894 [21:45:03] <hxmuller> all encryption does
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2896 [21:45:25] <RoyK> drablyechos: if course it leaves stuff
there - encrypted swap adds a wee overhead, but not a lot, at least
if you have a modern CPU with AES instructions
2897 [21:45:34] <hxmuller> but I can't really feel the impact
2898 [21:45:59] <drablyechos> RoyK: that makes sense, thanks
2899 [21:46:02] <RoyK> for a laptop, no - for a large-scale
server, probably
2900 [21:46:03] <drablyechos> it would be interesting to benchmark
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2902 [21:46:35] <drablyechos> I haven't thought much about
the inner workings of swap in years
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2905 [21:47:58] <mnuhmnuh> drablyechos: i learned yesterday that
swapoff forces stuff in swap back into ram. i thought it just
disabled swapping.
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2907 [21:48:50] <mspe> depends if your allocated swap space was
actually being used
2908 [21:48:59] <mnuhmnuh> makes sense, but unexpected.
2909 [21:49:01] <mspe> depending on your swappiness sysctl setting
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2942 [22:15:45] <Guest28441> /msg NickServ REGISTER dido
marc_andre_lasalle@hotmail.com
2943 [22:16:14] <apollo13> Guest28441: that ended up for everyone
to see
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3054 [23:11:01] <garotosopa> Hi. How can I upgrade a single
package that's marked as automatically installed? If I do
apt-get install foopackage, it gets marked as installed manually.
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3060 [23:13:30] <annadane> garotosopa, that ought to work. either
the package in question has no updates, or you could try apt update
first
3061 [23:13:43] <annadane> which package?
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3067 [23:15:10] <garotosopa> annadane, I had libavcodec58 marked
as automatically installed (checked it on aptitude). The I did
apt-get install libavcodec58 to get it upgraded (I'm running
Sid). So now libavcodec58 is not marked as automatically installed
anymore.
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3069 [23:16:12] <annadane> well, you can apt-mark auto
libavcodec58 to set it to auto
3070 [23:16:24] <annadane> but did it successfully update or not?
3071 [23:16:31] <garotosopa> It did, yes.
3072 [23:16:44] <garotosopa> I'll mark it again then.
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3076 [23:17:17] <mnuhmnuh> what's the difference?
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3078 [23:18:05] <annadane> i'm not sure there's a way
other than marking it automatic to keep it automatic if you're
upgrading individual packages
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3080 [23:18:15] <garotosopa> The thing is I use a script with
this: apt-get update && apt-get install $(debsecan --format
packages --suite sid --only-fixed); and I like to keep my manually
installed package list as curated as I can.
3081 [23:18:33] <annadane> maybe someone else has a better idea
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3085 [23:19:10] <garotosopa> I guess I'll change that oneline
script to account the automatically installed packages before
upgrading. Then I'll mark then back after the upgrade.
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3125 [23:41:11] <hankpete> has anyone ever had troubles when using
an external monitor? i am using a very fancy new Dell monitor but it
has made everything very laggy
3126 [23:42:42] <hxmuller> hankpete: laptop with a discrete and
integrated gpu?
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3130 [23:43:22] <hankpete> hxmuller, Intel HD 520. How can i tell?
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3132 [23:43:29] <Rajjix> hi
3133 [23:43:41] <Rajjix> i like this channel
3134 [23:43:51] <hxmuller> hankpete: so no additional nvidia or
amd graphics?
3135 [23:43:52] <hankpete> Rajjix, me too
3136 [23:44:21] <Rajjix> been a while since i've been on irc
3137 [23:44:25] <Rajjix> maybe 6 years or so
3138 [23:44:31] <Rajjix> didn't think people still use it xD
3139 [23:44:33] <hankpete> hxmuller, i dont think so. want to see
lspci?
3140 [23:45:10] <hxmuller> no, you would know if there were
additional chips on board I guess
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3143 [23:45:51] <hankpete> yeah i didn't do any tampering
3144 [23:46:17] <hankpete> hxmuller, its just the original lenovo
flex 3 with a debian stretch partition
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3151 [23:48:33] <jhutchins> This is odd. If I do vi
/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* it gives me 2 copies of the first file,
and none of the other 7. It says "8 files to edit".
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3155 [23:49:38] <hxmuller> hankpete: confirm nvidia not onboard.
run lsmod and check for nvidia
3156 [23:49:59] <hankpete> jhutchins, isn't that normal when
u try to open many files with vi? each time u quit it opens the next
one
3157 [23:51:06] <hankpete> hxmuller, `lsmod | grep nvidia` gives
nothing
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3159 [23:51:53] <Rajjix> what's the problem here maybe i can
help with something
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3161 [23:52:18] <mnuhmnuh> hankpete: grep -i ?
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3163 [23:52:55] <hankpete> Rajjix, i am connected to a big new
dell monitor and now everything is very laggy (unless i reduce the
resolution)
3164 [23:53:10] <jhutchins> hankpete: Yeah, but instead of the 8
files, I get two or three versions of the first file only.
3165 [23:53:20] <hankpete> mnuhmnuh, good point, still nothing
3166 [23:53:23] <hxmuller> hankpete: my guess is the chip is
struggling with both the external and laptop display running. does
it have a functin switch to switch between laptop and external
monitor?
3167 [23:53:38] <jhutchins> hankpete: What I ended up doing was
just pointing to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and it gave me a menu.
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3171 [23:55:11] <hankpete> hxmuller, that was my guess. i dont get
it though, my laptop is fairly new. never heard of "function
switch". will look that up. thanks for the help so far
everyone!
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3173 [23:56:41] <Rajjix> can u send your graphic card details
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3175 [23:56:50] <Rajjix> use hardinfo or lspci
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3178 [23:57:27] <Rajjix> but i think you should probably
disconnect your computer screen and should work fine
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3180 [23:57:44] <hankpete> Rajjix, I think this is the relevant
line in lspci `VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD
Graphics 5500 (rev 09)`
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