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• 2[00:00:29] <annadane> is there a way to list packages you have installed from a certain release, specifically i want to see what i have installed from backports
• 3[00:00:43] <SlidingHorn> A|an, I'm not sure there should be one by default, but you can make it on your own: replaced-url
• 4[00:01:13] <A|an> odd...thanks
• 5[00:02:28] <SlidingHorn> annadane, apt list --installed | grep -i backports ?
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• 7[00:03:02] <annadane> oh. duh.
• 8[00:03:13] <annadane> ty
• 9[00:03:29] <SlidingHorn> any time :)
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• 24[00:16:07] <TvL2386> hey guys. I have a bash script that receives an argument which can be anything. In this case I'm getting: "Super Mario World (U) [!].smc" as first argument in $1
• 25[00:16:15] <TvL2386> without double quotes
• 26[00:16:27] <TvL2386> at some point in my script I want to give it to another process
• 27[00:16:53] <TvL2386> but how can I give it as an argument... can't put in '$1'
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• 32[00:18:28] <TvL2386> I'm thinking way too difficult
• 33[00:18:31] <TvL2386> double quotes work
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• 50[00:31:23] <SporkWitch> TvL2386: that's basic shell scripting :) double quotes allow variable expansion, while single quotes do not
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• 73[00:43:27] <aokfire> Any email client recommendation that separates local stored emails in separate folders and separate files? Sylpheed I can't figure out, seems to lump it all into one folder
• 74[00:43:35] <aokfire> Thunderbird seems to use mbox and not mdir
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• 236[02:58:28] <awal1> are pakagekit and packagekit-tools installed by default?
• 237[02:59:49] <KimJongChill> slidinghorn or other debian mod: I was told no one was maintaining libblkmaker, but it looks like at least someone is trying on github. last commit was in Feb replaced-url
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• 239[03:00:05] <KimJongChill> did he just quit recently?
• 240[03:00:42] <KimJongChill> stretch came out a while back, no? I'm just trying to help out. maybe there's someone legitimate doing it
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• 244[03:01:49] <SlidingHorn> KimJongChill, that's upstream - I just meant no one from the debian team is keeping up with the debian package for the official repos
• 245[03:02:41] <KimJongChill> oh okay. i see.
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• 247[03:05:34] <awal1> aptitude why packagekit --» i packagekit-tools Depends packagekit (= 1.1.9-1) /// aptitude why packagekit-tools ---» i packagekit Recomienda packagekit-tools /// apt show both pkgs ---» APT-Manual-Installed: yes.
• 248[03:05:51] <awal1> I never installed those pkgs manually . so what is the point here?
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• 251[03:08:17] <awal1> aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant doesn't list them
• 252[03:12:19] <awal1> more confusion when one runs apt-mark showmanual :D
• 253[03:13:56] <awal1> when you run, say, apt install pkgA the deps of pkgA are considered as manually installed?
• 254[03:15:09] <awal1> my undestanding is that only A should be manually installed, B, C, D (the deps of A) should be listed as automatically installed
• 255[03:15:21] <awal1> or I am wrong
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• 258[03:17:25] <awal1> apt-mark showmanual and I see python3-pil listed but no clue what is it. but aptitude why python3-pil ---» i python3-scipy Recomienda python3-pil
• 259[03:17:51] <awal1> total confusion :P
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• 262[03:20:01] <awal1> if python3-pil is installed automatically by python3-scipy as recommend why apt show list -pil as APT-Manual-Installed: yes?
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• 302[03:48:30] <ian_____> dpkg tell me about kde install
• 303[03:48:38] <ian_____> dpkg tell me about install kde
• 304[03:48:48] <hyperlumic> PMs to dpkg also work.
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• 306[03:48:58] <hyperlumic> K.
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• 318[03:54:43] <ShadeS> hey
• 319[03:54:56] <ShadeS> apt-get upgrade is hosed
• 320[03:55:15] <annadane> post your output, paste.debian.net
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• 326[03:57:48] <ShadeS> i've been bsing around the bush for an hour with this: replaced-url
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• 349[04:04:51] <SlidingHorn> ShadeS, It looks like you're calling updates for Squeeze which is EOL (End of Life)
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• 351[04:05:05] <ShadeS> What does this mean for me?
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• 354[04:05:25] <ShadeS> I have to migrate or what?
• 355[04:05:31] <ShadeS> I can't even install screen because of this at the moment
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• 361[04:07:05] <SlidingHorn> ShadeS, what does this return in terminal: cat /etc/debian_version
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• 363[04:07:50] <ShadeS> 6.0.8
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• 367[04:12:27] <SlidingHorn> ShadeS, You'll have to upgrade to a supported version. However, I'm not sure the best process considering you're a few releases behind...These instructions will take you up to "Wheezy" which is still supported until next month. I think you'll have to incrementally go from there, but I'm not positive: replaced-url
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• 369[04:12:51] <zunaa> will there be firefox esr60 in stable?
• 370[04:12:53] <SlidingHorn> ShadeS, I recommend reading all the way through and backing up any important data before starting
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• 372[04:14:26] <SlidingHorn> ,v firefox-esr
• 373[04:14:27] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.7.3esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.7.3esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.7.3esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.7.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.7.3esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.7.3esr-1; sid:
• 374[04:14:28] <judd> 52.7.3esr-1
• 375[04:15:44] <ShadeS> thanks
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• 377[04:16:06] <RoyK> why 60? is anything there necessary for use?
• 378[04:17:05] <zunaa> like the layout more but am fine with the current
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• 383[04:18:24] <awal1> for upstream, ESR 60.0 should come out on may 9; not sure how debian stable branch follows
• 384[04:18:26] * RoyK just tried to install ubuntu server 18.04 and was reminded of how much better debian is
• 385[04:18:31] <awal1> zunaa
• 386[04:18:33] <Resilience> jello to everyone according to the Spanish wikipedia, there is a command "shadow" to make shadow passwords, is it right? or is it wrong) I have never heard/read anything about this
• 387[04:18:54] <zunaa> awal1, thanks. I figured that but just wanted to check
• 388[04:19:25] <awal1> check if there is #debian-firefox
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• 392[04:19:58] <zunaa> no there is not
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• 394[04:20:28] <RoyK> Resilience: mkpasswd
• 395[04:21:04] <Resilience> RoyK, but that utility "shadow" existis? or does no?
• 396[04:21:46] <SlidingHorn> zunaa, sid (unstable) is only on 52.7.3, so I don't see that happening, however, I'm not sure how it's determined what versions sid gets
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• 398[04:21:57] <RoyK> Resilience: mkpasswd will give you the hash - just edit shadow later
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• 401[04:22:28] <Resilience> RoyK, thanks, I knew i, but I was asking about the existance of the "shadow" command
• 402[04:22:56] <RoyK> Resilience: what's that supposed to do?
• 403[04:23:13] <zunaa> SlidingHorn, sid can also install firefox anyways. esr60 isn't out yet but I just wanted to know if it will come to us because there used to be a way to get normal firefox thru the debian mozilla repo but that isn't the case now. Think it has something to do with rust.
• 404[04:23:49] <zunaa> Although by august, esr52 will be unsupported so I assume we will get esr60 at some point.
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• 407[04:25:44] <Resilience> RoyK, It is supossed to yurn the normal /etc/passwd into /etc/shadow... I think that the Spanish wikipedia confuse the process of making shadow with a command
• 408[04:26:34] <RoyK> yurn?
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• 410[04:28:22] <RoyK> Resilience: there are no passwords or hashes in /etc/passwd in modern distros (as of 20 years or so)
• 411[04:28:55] <Resilience> RoyK, yurn, also know as turn (typo, sorry)
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• 414[04:29:15] <Resilience> RoyK, I know that, that is why I find that wikipedia page... disturbing
• 415[04:29:40] <RoyK> Resilience: what sort of distro is this? something archaic?
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• 419[04:30:58] * RoyK remembers AT&T Unix with des56 encrypted passwords in /etc/passwd ;)
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• 421[04:31:49] <Resilience> Royk: replaced-url
• 422[04:31:49] <Resilience> never heard of that
• 423[04:33:37] <RoyK> Resilience: the use of /etc/shadow has been the standard for 25 years or so
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• 425[04:34:01] <rabbitear_sdf> RoyK: why?
• 426[04:34:17] <rabbitear_sdf> RoyK: you like new and shiney?
• 427[04:34:33] <rabbitear_sdf> RoyK: got any money, I'll sell some stuff to you
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• 429[04:34:50] <RoyK> heh - any spammmer online? ;)
• 430[04:35:01] <rabbitear_sdf> just you
• 431[04:35:08] <RoyK> nah
• 432[04:35:48] <RoyK> !op
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• 435[04:36:16] <rabbitear_sdf> I'm not gonna talk to you if you have that kind of way of thinking
• 436[04:36:30] <rabbitear_sdf> its too fat for me
• 437[04:36:43] <SlidingHorn> Can we keep this to support requests please? Off-topic banter can take place in #debian-offtopic
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• 439[04:37:05] <rabbitear_sdf> okay..
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• 448[04:43:47] <Resilience> SlidingHorn, do you say that because of me?
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• 450[04:45:05] <SlidingHorn> Resilience, I was just talking about all the side chatter - not toward anyone in particular
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• 453[04:46:19] <Resilience> SlidingHorn, I suppose then that my question about the shadow command it is ot off-topic (I hope so)
• 454[04:47:21] <Resilience> RoyK, the wikipedia page says "shadow is a computer *program*", since when is it a program/command?I have never head about that
• 455[04:47:30] <SlidingHorn> Resilience, in regard to the shadow thing, that's implemented in Debian. Check your system: ls /etc/
• 456[04:48:46] <Resilience> SlidingHorn, I understand what are shadow password, my question is not that, can you rad what I am really asking please? I am not asking "aht are shadow apsswordd" I am asking about this thing of "does it exist a program called shadow?"
• 457[04:49:39] <littlebear> Resilience, shadow - shadowed password file
• 458[04:49:48] <littlebear> Resilience, in commandline type in man shadow
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• 461[04:51:30] <SlidingHorn> Resilience, there's no program called shadow. passwd is the command that manages it I believe
• 462[04:51:53] <Resilience> littlebear, have you read the wikipedia page I have post? thanks for your answer, but it is an answer for other question DIFFERENT of what I was asking
• 463[04:52:31] <SlidingHorn> (by it, I mean the /etc/shadow file)
• 464[04:52:50] <Resilience> SlidingHorn, that is my bleieve too, that's why I was asking about that wikipedia page (and as t is in Spanish, I have put the google translation)
• 465[04:52:53] <littlebear> Resilience, ah i see, it's misunderstanding, shadow isn't a program per say, it's just a file
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• 467[04:53:25] <Resilience> littlebear, that is what I thought, but I wnated to e sure at all :)
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• 469[04:54:10] <SlidingHorn> Resilience, here's the english wikipedia - "Shadow file" is just part of the article about passwd replaced-url
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• 471[04:55:18] <Resilience> SlidingHorn, thanks agin, I have read the English wikipedia
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• 480[04:59:25] <Fare> Hi! I'm having a trouble configuring tex-common on testing: its says fmtutil [ERROR]: running `luatex -ini -jobname=luatex -progname=luatex luatex.ini </dev/null' return status 1 fmtutil [ERROR]: return error due to options --strict
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• 485[05:00:13] <Fare> that's in a chroot, and I'm wondering if some missing device or such might be the cause
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• 488[05:01:41] <Fare> or whether it's a bug that everyone is seeing even regular users
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• 490[05:02:19] <Nautilus_> to install chromium browser, is it just an apt-get install or is there more to it?
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• 496[05:05:53] <littlebear> Nautilus_, sudo apt-get install chromium should work, do you want stable or do you want canary?
• 497[05:05:56] <SlidingHorn> Nautilus_, you should just be able to apt install chromium (sudo, if you use that instead of root)
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• 500[05:06:36] <Nautilus_> ah, I just found out I can just update iceweasel
• 501[05:06:43] <stopc> Hey all, anyone know a channel where i can get help on a CTF challenge that i am doing ?
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• 504[05:08:18] <SlidingHorn> stopc, you can /msg alis list ctf to search for channels
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• 506[05:09:20] <stopc> SlidingHorn: thx
• 507[05:09:28] <Fare> desktop-file-utils also failed to properly configure because of my $XDG_DATA_DIRS --- the configure script should probably blank this and other XDG variables.
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• 515[05:18:50] <annadane> Fare, you're probably better off going to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, that's the place for testing/unstable
• 516[05:19:07] <annadane> did you check the bug tracking system, may be something in there
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• 527[05:27:01] <OtakuSenpai> ,v qbittorrent
• 528[05:27:02] <judd> Package: qbittorrent on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.8-1; wheezy-security: 2.9.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 3.1.10-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.1.10-1; stretch: 3.3.7-3; buster: 4.0.3-1; sid: 4.0.3-1
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• 533[05:29:35] <Wegg> I have had to install nvidia's drivers with the .run file from their website. Is there a way to tell apt not to over-write any of those drivers? CUDA, GLS, etc? I'd love to just be able to: apt update && apt upgrade without fear.
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• 540[05:38:18] <SlidingHorn> !Don't Break Debian
• 541[05:38:19] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 543[05:38:38] <SlidingHorn> Wegg, I'd suggest looking at the part about GPU manufacturer installers
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• 547[05:39:26] <Wegg> SlidingHorn: When I try and use Debian's drivers I have a super hard time getting CUDA to work in blender.
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• 549[05:39:41] <annadane> i actually wonder now whether testing's reportbug gets reports from unstable
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• 552[05:42:38] <awal1> !frankendebian
• 553[05:42:39] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 562[05:50:32] <doslas> hi
• 563[05:50:40] <dvs> zzzzzzzzz
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• 567[05:52:51] <doslas> i want to upgrade from stable to sid.How?
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• 570[05:54:04] <dvs> !iyhtays doslas
• 571[05:54:05] <dpkg> doslas: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't.
• 572[05:54:38] <annadane> !don't use unstable
• 573[05:54:38] <dpkg> While you *can* probably use unstable as a desktop (don't even think of trying it without a backup computer), it's really meant for people who know what they're doing. See replaced-url
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• 578[05:57:32] <doslas> I want to use the latest versions of the software
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• 580[05:58:08] <dvs> why? is something not working?
• 581[05:58:28] <doslas> Especially video and image editing software
• 582[05:58:42] <Wegg> I have used SID for years with little issue.
• 583[05:58:48] <electromagnetism> enable the testing reops then
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• 585[05:59:43] <SlidingHorn> Wegg, maybe, but if someone isn't aware of how to upgrade to Sid, chances are they're not inherently capable of fixing it when something breaks catastrophically
• 586[06:00:00] <doslas> Some features do not exist in older versions
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• 588[06:00:30] <Wegg> Still far more stable than Windows.
• 589[06:00:50] <SlidingHorn> Wegg, that doesn't change anything I just said.
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• 600[06:13:20] <awal1> doslas, check backports first
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• 602[06:13:44] <awal1> unstable may be risky; you never know
• 603[06:13:58] <Wegg> he's gone.
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• 605[06:14:15] <annadane> i really shouldn't spam that and should probably delete that
• 606[06:14:21] <annadane> it's not really helpful
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• 608[06:14:55] <Wegg> nope
• 609[06:15:08] <awal1> Wegg, I also personally use unstable since like 4 years and never had important troubles but I am careful and I take care
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• 611[06:16:30] <awal1> just a bse system and a WM + just pkgs I need but I dont recommend it almost
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• 613[06:17:11] <dvs> Luckly you didn't have to deal with libc6 and dpkg not working.
• 614[06:17:14] <awal1> unstable branch needs a dedication, you spend time on it if you want it "safe"
• 615[06:17:35] <Wegg> I used testing for years but then when stretch became the new stable and I tried it. . . it was more than enough.
• 616[06:17:47] <Wegg> unstable is a wild ride. :-)
• 617[06:18:15] <Wegg> dvs yea libc6 kept me from using jessie.
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• 619[06:18:59] <awal1> ideal, if one wants unstable, is have another alternate machine
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• 621[06:19:44] <awal1> a machine with stable branch system or at least something dualbooted
• 622[06:20:13] <awal1> alternative
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• 627[06:22:25] <skizzy> hi i just installed debian 9.4. I installed sudo and added user to sudo with usermod -aG but when I try to run sudo it says i'm not in the sudoers file? I remember having this problem before but can't remember the fix
• 628[06:22:53] <skizzy> and when i try to add again it says the user exists so it can't
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• 630[06:23:33] <dvs> skizzy, log out and back in again?
• 631[06:23:45] <skizzy> I haven't tried that yet
• 632[06:23:51] <skizzy> i will be back if it doesn't work
• 633[06:23:56] <awal1> skizzy adduser yourusername sudo
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• 635[06:24:18] <awal1> that is all you need for be in sudo group
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• 637[06:24:50] <skizzy> ok that was it :) had to log out all the way
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• 762[08:24:25] <porton> Which SQL should I use for an ordinary server installation: MySQL, Maria or Percona?
• 763[08:25:03] <tech10171968> Production machine, or personal use?
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• 765[08:25:13] <porton> tech10171968: production
• 766[08:25:21] <porton> 2 GB
• 767[08:25:26] <tech10171968> Maria
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• 770[08:26:22] <porton> tech10171968: why have you asked whether it is production?
• 771[08:26:27] <tech10171968> TBF I've also seen MySQL in a production environment
• 772[08:27:00] <tech10171968> you probably want something a little more robust than what you'd use in a home server
• 773[08:27:06] <tech10171968> Just my guess
• 774[08:28:01] <tech10171968> besides, I know that's what we use at work, and it passes with flying colors
• 775[08:28:37] <tech10171968> that might also be because our DBA is a badass
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• 802[08:43:42] <jair> hello all, I am trying to install this software in my debian testing buster > replaced-url
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• 804[08:45:05] <jair> when I run dplg -i debian try to install the software and I get an error. I then try to apt-get -f install to see if the dependencies are resolved, but the system just removes the software...
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• 807[08:45:53] <jair> am I missing somethings obvious here, it's the package not installable?
• 808[08:47:03] <SlidingHorn> jair, you need to dpkg -r shutter and then install the dependencies beforehand. That being said, is there any reason one of the screenshot tools available in the repository won't work for you?
• 809[08:47:46] <jair> SlidingHorn: hmm well the first question will be why is shutter not available in the repository though?
• 810[08:48:05] <jair> SlidingHorn: it was before in other versions of debian
• 811[08:48:06] <SlidingHorn> because it's not supported by debian's maintainers
• 812[08:48:43] <jair> SlidingHorn: hmm I am running testing and to be honest I am looking for an alternative but nothing as good as this one so far
• 813[08:49:04] <SlidingHorn> jair, have you checked out deepin? (deepin-screenshot is the package name)
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• 815[08:49:28] <SlidingHorn> jair, regardless though, you'll need to dpkg -r shutter before anything will work again
• 816[08:50:02] <jair> SlidingHorn: I will definitely check that tool you mentioned
• 817[08:50:19] <jair> SlidingHorn: but if I do dpkg -r isn't that the remove option though?
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• 820[08:51:57] <jair> SlidingHorn: getting this now > replaced-url
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• 822[08:52:48] <jair> SlidingHorn: if you see the error message I sent you in the first place it shows that after dpkg -i and apt-get -f install the shutter application gets removed
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• 824[08:53:04] <jair> SlidingHorn: I am not sure whay to run this again > dpkg -r
• 825[08:53:41] <SlidingHorn> jair, yes it is...that's what's causing the breakage. It partially installed in your first command
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• 827[08:54:09] <SlidingHorn> you'll want to do the purge too
• 828[08:54:15] <jair> alright
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• 830[08:54:29] <jair> SlidingHorn: and then after that is done? how can I install it?
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• 833[08:55:06] <SlidingHorn> you'd have to install all the missing dependencies the first error showed beforehand. That's why it's recommended to use something in the repositories
• 834[08:56:08] <jair> SlidingHorn: done > replaced-url
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• 836[08:56:51] <jair> SlidingHorn: but I thought that apt ot apt-get would take care of the dependencies automatically
• 837[08:57:13] <SlidingHorn> jair, you should be all set...if you *must* have shutter (again, not recommended, as it's not supported), you'd have to go through that long list of libs, etc that it required that weren't installed
• 838[08:57:38] <SlidingHorn> jair, apt does, if the package is in the repositories. You're using dpkg for something that isn't.
• 839[08:58:20] * SlidingHorn is running buster, as well
• 840[08:58:34] <jair> SlidingHorn: understood
• 841[08:59:04] <jair> SlidingHorn: so is there a plan for them to add the shutter app again in the repositories?
• 842[08:59:44] <SlidingHorn> jair, not sure - You could always search the package database to see what happened and why the decision was made to drop it
• 843[08:59:59] <jair> SlidingHorn: interesting
• 844[09:00:14] <jair> SlidingHorn: alright I will check that deepin option
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• 846[09:00:46] <jair> SlidingHorn: I don't feel that confortable with adding all those dependencies for one software
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• 850[09:04:07] <SlidingHorn> jair, here's the info for the application - looks like it's in unstable and is bouncing in and out of testing - not sure why... replaced-url
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• 853[09:06:11] <jair> SlidingHorn: understand thank you very much, I installed deepin screenshot works ;-)
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• 858[09:07:52] <SlidingHorn> jair, cool...also, here's why it's not back in testing: replaced-url
• 859[09:08:22] <jair> SlidingHorn: checking
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• 863[09:09:16] <jair> SlidingHorn: I see not really updates from the maintainers at the moment
• 864[09:09:25] <jair> SlidingHorn: introducing issues when upgrading
• 865[09:10:15] <jair> SlidingHorn: well, I am not going to install all those dependencies i will use deepin for now, it works just for what I need
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• 869[09:12:29] <SlidingHorn> jair, glad we could find a solution that works :)
• 870[09:13:50] <jair> SlidingHorn: really appreciate it
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• 904[09:38:00] <Spico> When I use apt-get install nasm it installs version 2.12, but this page: replaced-url
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• 906[09:38:54] <Spico> Why am I getting an older version? I am trying to compile a program which requires nasm version 2.13+
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• 908[09:39:42] <Spico> How do I get my Debian 9 system to install nasm version 2.13 ?
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• 911[09:40:15] <Spico> (I am new to Unix/Linux, so forgive me if this is a dumb question)
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• 913[09:41:21] <Spico> apt-get install nasm/testing and apt-get install nasm/unstable also do not work.
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• 916[09:42:29] <Spico> dpkg --help says -i|--install <.deb file name> ... | -R|--recursive <directory> ...
• 917[09:42:29] <dpkg> Spico: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
• 918[09:43:04] <Spico> .... dpkg --help says: -i|--install <.deb file name> ... | -R|--recursive <directory> ...
• 919[09:43:50] <Spico> but when I do dpkg -i nasm_2.13.02-0.1_amd64.deb I get: dpkg: error: cannot access archive 'nasm_2.13.02-0.1_amd64.deb': No such file or directory
• 920[09:44:29] <Spico> What am I doing wrong?
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• 923[09:45:16] <SlidingHorn> Spico, try #debian-next - it's specifically for folks using testing or sid
• 924[09:45:32] <Spico> sid?
• 925[09:45:40] <Spico> sid = debian9?
• 926[09:45:55] <SlidingHorn> Spico, your link was for the package in the unstable branch
• 927[09:46:00] <Spico> i thought i read i was using stretch...
• 928[09:46:03] <SlidingHorn> ,v nasm
• 929[09:46:04] <judd> Package: nasm on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.10.01-1; wheezy-security: 2.10.01-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.11.05-1; stretch: 2.12.01-1+b1; stretch-multimedia: 2.13.01-1.1; buster: 2.13.02-0.1; sid: 2.13.02-0.1
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• 932[09:46:26] <SlidingHorn> what does the file /etc/version say?
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• 934[09:46:47] <Spico> ah that's the one i was getting: stretch: 2.12.01-1+b1
• 935[09:46:49] <SlidingHorn> oops /etc/debian_version*
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• 937[09:47:02] <Spico> that's my problem.. I'm using stretch
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• 939[09:47:45] <infornography> Paste on center click is a flaw
• 940[09:48:03] <SlidingHorn> infornography, what do you mean?
• 941[09:48:15] <Spico> well, not really a problem, per-say, I'd gotten nasm 2.13 installed on Debian9 before, but that was a long time ago. And my virtual machine crashed recently, now I'm having to re-setup everything.
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• 944[09:48:47] <infornography> it's a terrible feature
• 945[09:48:57] <Spico> SlidingHorn: How do I install from the unstable branch?
• 946[09:49:06] <SlidingHorn> !frankendebian
• 947[09:49:07] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 949[09:49:49] <SlidingHorn> Spico, it's definitely not recommended. What is in the newer version that's a "must have"?
• 950[09:50:52] <Spico> SlidingHorn: The answer to that question is beyond my level of understanding sadly... I'm trying to compile the open-source video player MPV, after having made some C code alterations. It requires however, both nasm and yasm
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• 952[09:51:40] <Spico> (I asked on #mpv why does it require _both_ nasm and yasm, if yasm is, "a full rewrite of Netwide Assembler (NASM)." --Wikipedia
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• 956[09:53:15] <Spico> ... still haven't gotten a response. Whatever the case, someone on here had helped me get nasm 2.13 on my Debian9 before in the past with a few commands. Sadly I didn't write down what they were. And if I did, I must have stupidly left it on the virtual machine
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• 958[09:53:53] <Spico> ...which irrecoverably crashed, and had to be deleted and reinstalled :\
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• 961[09:56:17] <SlidingHorn> Spico, I mean...the version in unstable is the same (currently) as the one in testing...
• 962[09:56:28] <Spico> judd: Just wondering, but where did you get that information?
• 963[09:56:55] <SlidingHorn> judd is a bot...I triggered it. replaced-url
• 964[09:57:08] <Spico> ahh.. oops.
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• 970[09:58:30] <SlidingHorn> Buster is still "testing" and by definition not as stable as Stretch, and you'd really want to be sure before upgrading if you *absolutely* need this version
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• 973[10:00:27] <Spico> I'm absolutely sure. As I said, I'd installed v2.13 before, and it worked just fine.
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• 975[10:00:54] <Spico> I don't plan on using this Debian9 virtual machine to compile anything else
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• 977[10:01:18] <SlidingHorn> Spico, oh, it's a VM?
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• 981[10:01:37] <Spico> Yes. Is that bad?
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• 983[10:01:54] <SlidingHorn> Spico, so you wouldn't particularly care if something got screwed up? (it shouldn't but there's always the possibility)
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• 986[10:02:56] <Spico> I know, I know, I should buy a proper linux computer. I'm just using the Windows8 laptop I got from Costco, and using a Debian9 virtual machine on it to use it as a cross-compiler to compile for Windows. I know. I'm a horrible human-being.
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• 988[10:04:05] <SlidingHorn> not at all...it's probably better this way, as if it's a VM it's less likely that a problem would be catastrophic news
• 989[10:04:10] <Spico> SlidingHorn: Correct. If worst-case scenario happens (which I guess did happen recently when it stopped booting up properly) I will just delete the VM and reinstall it.
• 990[10:04:20] <SlidingHorn> ok...
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• 992[10:05:01] <Spico> Is there a simple way to install from testing?
• 993[10:05:15] <Spico> I'm looking at Method#2 of: replaced-url
• 994[10:05:25] <Spico> and at: replaced-url
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• 999[10:07:00] <SlidingHorn> if you want to upgrade to Buster (which has the nasm you need): 1) Open a terminal & su 2) apt update 3) apt upgrade 4) apt full-upgrade 5) sed -i 's/stretch/buster/g' /etc/apt/sources.list 6) apt update 7) apt upgrade 8) apt full-upgrade
• 1000[10:07:42] <SlidingHorn> mind any warnings, errors along the way though, and back up anything important beforehand
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• 1002[10:08:09] <Spico> warnings and errors.. ech..
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• 1004[10:08:40] <Spico> well, i guess it wouldn't cause too much trouble
• 1005[10:08:55] <Spico> would that mean that all packages from now on will come from Testing?
• 1006[10:09:01] <SlidingHorn> correct
• 1007[10:09:21] <Spico> Is what Debian considers testing, normal to other linux distros?
• 1008[10:09:48] <survey0r> noooo
• 1009[10:09:51] <Spico> So if I try to compile something else, will it complain that my version of xxxx is too new?
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• 1013[10:11:26] <SlidingHorn> Spico, basically, if something makes it past a waiting period (something like 5 days) without any critical errors, etc, it moves into testing...if something breaks, it goes back to unstable. In regard to whether something will complain about xxxx being too new, I have no idea.
• 1014[10:11:26] <Spico> (I remember reading someone saying that Debian uses older versions of software packages because they are more stable, and that if you don't want to have issues use Ubuntu instead or RedHat).
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• 1016[10:12:08] <Spico> ""Testing is fairly stable??", you ask. Yes. In order for a package to migrate from unstable to testing, it has to have zero open bugs for 10 consecutive days." that 2nd webpage i posted
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• 1018[10:14:14] <babilen> Spico: IMHO you have two options: 1. You run stable + stable-backports and backport packages that have no official backport yourself 2. You track testing or unstable by default and ensure that unstable is in your sources.list to cope with security problems/package removals/transitions/... (cf. "/msg dpkg tum")
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• 1021[10:14:50] <babilen> If you opt for 2, ensure to read replaced-url
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• 1025[10:15:53] <Spico> backport?
• 1026[10:15:56] <babilen> Please keep in mind that "testing" is a tool/workflow to create the next stable release and isn't meant to be used by users. Most of its problems are mitigated by "tum" (testing/unstable mix) and active administration though
• 1027[10:15:59] <Spico> that sounds familiar
• 1028[10:16:19] <Spico> i think that's what the person I spoke with on here ages ago had me do...
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• 1031[10:17:36] <babilen> Well, read the wiki article I linked and «tum» and I'm sure things are clearer
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• 1041[10:24:54] <DEac-> i want to install a deb on an image, which has an other architecture. dpkg --root=/mnt --force-architecture -i DEB. but it will execute preinst/... . how i can install this deb without executing preinst/..., or how i can anyway? i only find howto cross-compiling, if i searching for cross install.
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• 1044[10:26:19] <themill> DEac-: 'installing' means running the maintainer scripts. What are you really trying to achieve here?
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• 1051[10:28:27] <DEac-> themill: it should be upgraded on apt upgrade, if i would boot this image on the right arch and run it.
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• 1067[10:36:14] <DEac-> running «ar p DEB data.tar.xz | tar -JxC /mnt» is not an sollution, because «apt upgrade» will not upgrade it.
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• 1070[10:36:57] <AikiLinux> Hello, is it possible to build deb packages while compiling the source code with sbt and not make ?
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• 1186[12:24:15] <LucN31> Hi, I am Luc from Toulouse (France)
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• 1189[12:25:17] <LucN31> Not sure I am on appropriate channel, but #udev forward to distribution channels
• 1190[12:25:56] <LucN31> I have some trouble to use heimdall-flash cli
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• 1192[12:26:53] <LucN31> packaged version contain some udev rules, but doesn't work with my devices
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• 1201[12:29:58] <LucN31> with Heimdall v1.4.2 locally compiled, only first command works, others fails.
• 1202[12:34:18] <LucN31> a lot of udev rules are defined in /lib/udev..., none defines uacces tag and some samsung devices have "TAGS=:uaccess:seat:"
• 1203[12:34:49] <LucN31> is there some way to now which rule set a tag in database ?
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• 1240[13:04:53] <mpLsJoker> hello
• 1241[13:04:59] <mpLsJoker> anytime there
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• 1243[13:05:04] <bazhang> yes
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• 1247[13:05:25] <mpLsJoker> so i have a quick question hopefully you can help
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• 1250[13:06:17] <mpLsJoker> for some reason i am unable to send messages to Linux channel
• 1251[13:07:01] <BCMM> mpLsJoker: do you mean ##linux?
• 1252[13:08:17] <mpLsJoker> yes
• 1253[13:08:31] <NetTerminalGene> mpLsJoker, you have better chance in #freenode
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• 1255[13:09:20] <mpLsJoker> freenode is the server ##linux is the channel.
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• 1257[13:09:48] <NetTerminalGene> there is #freenode channel
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• 1259[13:10:16] <mpLsJoker> you mean the freenode channel?
• 1260[13:10:25] <BCMM> mpLsJoker: this is more of a #freenode question, but i think you might need to be identified to services to talk in ##linux
• 1261[13:10:45] <BCMM> mpLsJoker: yes. irc channel names start with a #. #freenode is not a hashtag, it's the freenode channel.
• 1262[13:11:13] <mpLsJoker> lol hashtag? what the F is a hashtag?
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• 1265[13:11:34] <mpLsJoker> you mean like Twitter? lol i don't social media bro
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• 1270[13:13:21] <mpLsJoker> BCMN identified to services to talk in there... meaning what exactly
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• 1272[13:13:23] <BCMM> mpLsJoker: eh, just read replaced-url
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• 1275[13:13:57] <BCMM> mpLsJoker: if you have further questions, ask them in ##freenode - you're talking in #debian right now, which isn't really a "how to use irc" channel
• 1276[13:14:08] <BCMM> sorry
• 1277[13:14:09] <BCMM> #freenode
• 1278[13:14:13] <BCMM> not ##freenode (typo)
• 1279[13:14:15] <mpLsJoker> sry
• 1280[13:14:20] <toshiba> hello
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• 1282[13:14:32] <mpLsJoker> l8r
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• 1284[13:15:08] <toshiba> do you use metasploit
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• 1287[13:15:43] <BCMM> toshiba: no
• 1288[13:15:54] <toshiba> ok
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• 1402[14:30:27] <dirac1> Any alternative of plod?
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• 1412[14:34:08] <SlidingHorn> dirac1, what's that?
• 1413[14:34:21] <dirac1> ftp://multitel.co.uk/hpux/Users/plod-1.8b5/plod-1.8b5.man.html
• 1414[14:34:28] <dirac1> A really old command..
• 1415[14:35:02] <SlidingHorn> not clicking an ftp link
• 1416[14:35:10] <SlidingHorn> what does/did it do?
• 1417[14:35:16] <dirac1> Yup.. let me get the version from manned.
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• 1419[14:35:35] <dirac1> replaced-url
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• 1425[14:41:53] <SlidingHorn> dirac1, maybe taskwarrior?
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• 1428[14:42:53] <dirac1> SlidingHorn, oh I use TaskWarrior. No I think I'll simply use systemd-cat to log it into journalctl log.
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• 1430[14:43:09] <SlidingHorn> watson looks pretty cool too
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• 1451[14:51:28] <dirac1> SlidingHorn, I'll check it.
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• 1498[15:19:38] <debius> hi
• 1499[15:19:47] <debius> what is the service urandom?
• 1500[15:19:51] <debius> its running by default
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• 1505[15:21:47] <debius> urandom is not a service is it?
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• 1509[15:22:19] <SlidingHorn> debius, see man urandom
• 1510[15:22:31] <debius> but why a running service?
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• 1514[15:23:29] <fSharp> hello, after already having created a number of GPT partitions on disk, the terminal tells me that a block device is required to create the next partition. what does this mean?
• 1515[15:23:42] <fSharp> 'command failed with code 15: Block device required'
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• 1517[15:23:49] <hyperlumic> debius: Look more closely at systemctl status urandom.
• 1518[15:23:52] <fSharp> luks partitions, they are
• 1519[15:23:58] <debius> ok thanks
• 1520[15:24:22] <hyperlumic> debius: It's not a persistent process. The status should read "active (exited)". All it does is seed the RNG when the system starts.
• 1521[15:24:40] <hyperlumic> debius: man systemd-random-seed.service
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• 1535[15:28:53] <vlt> fSharp: Which command?
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• 1537[15:29:29] <fSharp> vlt, 'sudo cryptsetup --verbose --verify-passphrase luksFormat /dev/sdbX' (replacing X with device number)
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• 1539[15:30:53] <vlt> fSharp: Is dev/sdbX a block device?
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• 1541[15:31:11] <fSharp> vlt, I dont know. how can I see that?
• 1542[15:31:27] <vlt> fSharp: `lsblk` might tell you
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• 1544[15:32:10] <fSharp> vlt, no, it is not listed
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• 1546[15:33:23] <vlt> fSharp: So, what did you expeect the command to do then?
• 1547[15:33:27] <vlt> -e
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• 1552[15:36:28] <fSharp> vlt, I dont know. I found it online
• 1553[15:36:47] <vlt> fSharp: What is you end goal here?
• 1554[15:36:56] <vlt> *your
• 1555[15:36:57] <vlt> damn
• 1556[15:37:09] <fSharp> vlt, creating luks partitions, which worked with all other partitions using above command
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• 1563[15:42:52] <fSharp> so I should kneel down and weep?
• 1564[15:42:59] <fSharp> :)
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• 1572[15:45:37] <fSharp> is this some kind of limit to create any more partitions?
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• 1602[15:59:15] <AikiLinux> Has anyone build a deb package for a scala based project ?
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• 1608[16:01:14] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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• 1611[16:02:33] <ychaouche> I am trying to setup shorewall to use the geoip kernel module. The kernel module seems loaded but shorewall seem to not see it : replaced-url
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• 1622[16:07:24] <fSharp> hello, after already having created a number of GPT partitions on disk, the terminal tells me that a block device is required to create the next partition. what does this mean?
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• 1626[16:08:08] <me7zg3r> greetings
• 1627[16:08:14] <me7zg3r> please help me with a problem
• 1628[16:08:52] <Brigo> me7zg3r, ask first, we can't read your mind yet.
• 1629[16:09:03] <me7zg3r> yep, sorry about that, just feelin tired
• 1630[16:09:15] <me7zg3r> i've installed debian successfully previously via netinst
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• 1632[16:09:22] <Brigo> fSharp, what number?
• 1633[16:09:35] <me7zg3r> and now somehow the same netinst AND DVD-installer doesn't wind up
• 1634[16:09:48] <me7zg3r> I'm being given only bash-like commands via both CSM or EFI
• 1635[16:10:23] <me7zg3r> grub tells me I should load the kernels first and I idk what's that about 'cause i've installed successfully previously, many times
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• 1638[16:11:40] <me7zg3r> Brigo: any thoughts?
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• 1640[16:11:56] <fSharp> Brigo, 16
• 1641[16:12:19] <fSharp> I mean, 16th failed
• 1642[16:12:31] <Brigo> fSharp, maybe there is some kind of limit.
• 1643[16:12:46] <Brigo> me7zg3r, always the same error?
• 1644[16:13:03] <me7zg3r> yeah, well technically it's not even an error, I don
• 1645[16:13:16] <me7zg3r> don't get to the menu itself, only grub minimal bash-like
• 1646[16:13:46] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, do you get a login prompt?
• 1647[16:14:09] <me7zg3r> I'm trying to reinstall, there is no login
• 1648[16:14:14] <fSharp> Brigo, online posts say there is a high limit like 128 or 255..but I also found one post that said something about 15 partitions.
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• 1650[16:14:54] <me7zg3r> auto completion for grub prompt brings up authenticate, boot, break, clear, configfile, etc.
• 1651[16:15:21] <me7zg3r> I've found grub instructions for a failed login, however no instructions for an installer refusing to wind-up
• 1652[16:15:34] <dutchfish> ychaouche, have you setup your iptables rule correctly? something like iptables -A INPUT -m geoip ! --src-cc CO,UN,TR,YC,OD,ES -i <outside | interface> -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j DROP ?
• 1653[16:15:44] <Brigo> fSharp, i actually don't know what the limit is, just guessing here.
• 1654[16:15:50] <ychaouche> dutchfish: I'm using shorewall actually.
• 1655[16:15:55] <me7zg3r> how do I indicate the right kernels via grub prompt?
• 1656[16:16:04] <fSharp> Brigo, I see, thank you for your help
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• 1658[16:16:13] <fSharp> I think I will leave it as is for now
• 1659[16:16:14] <Brigo> fSharp, np
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• 1661[16:16:37] <dutchfish> ychaouche, then use shorewall to setup iptables correctly.
• 1662[16:16:48] <ychaouche> dutchfish: shorewall doesn't use iptables
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• 1664[16:17:01] <ychaouche> it's another interface to netfilter
• 1665[16:17:09] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, this might help: replaced-url
• 1666[16:17:25] <ychaouche> me7zg3r: do you at least get a grub menu at boot time ?
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• 1668[16:17:38] <porton> I see my recently deployed Python/Django+MariaDB VPS using only 20% of its 2GB memory. Does this imply that I can decrease memory to 1GB? Or when the site will receive some load the memory req may increase?
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• 1670[16:18:11] <dutchfish> ychaouche, replaced-url
• 1671[16:18:15] <ychaouche> porton: you can switch to elastic cloud hosting.
• 1672[16:18:25] <porton> ychaouche: I use DigitalOcean
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• 1675[16:19:28] <me7zg3r> im checking that link rn, thank you, SlidingHorn
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• 1677[16:19:52] <me7zg3r> ychaouche: no menu, just the grub prompt, I guess I can somehow indicate the right kernels on the usb, however i do not have that knowledge
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• 1679[16:20:04] <me7zg3r> after that the gui should be runable from this same prompt
• 1680[16:20:18] <dutchfish> ychaouche, on that page countrycode-list
• 1681[16:20:19] <ychaouche> me7zg3r: why on the USB ? didn't you install debian before on that same box ?
• 1682[16:20:20] <porton> is it safe enough to decrease memory two times?
• 1683[16:20:34] <ychaouche> thanks dutchfish, that's exactly how I done it.
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• 1685[16:20:47] <ychaouche> and still, I get the error about the geoip support in the kernel
• 1686[16:20:49] <me7zg3r> yeah, however I heavily corrupted it with incorrect "dd" usage, I'm trying to fresh-install
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• 1689[16:21:59] <dutchfish> ychaouche, one more thought, did you setup locales and tzdata correctly? (the default kernels locality wont work with this)
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• 1692[16:22:26] <porton> how much the memory reqs of Python and MariaDB increase under some load?
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• 1694[16:22:55] <me7zg3r> Could I have damaged essential files on the HDD via "dd bs=4m if=(...)" and no output file? I've seen dd just post symbols to the terminal screen
• 1695[16:23:04] <me7zg3r> system is unbootable since then and I cannot install :(
• 1696[16:23:23] <Brigo> me7zg3r, with no of you did nothing.
• 1697[16:23:30] <ychaouche> me7zg3r: if you can, boot up a live system then run grub-install and update-initramfs
• 1698[16:23:43] <me7zg3r> thank you, I shall try that now
• 1699[16:24:01] <epiflux> me7zg3r, you might have to repartition and reformat of you damaged the mbr with dd.
• 1700[16:24:05] <Brigo> ychaouche, it is not enought you need to mount the root filesystem, chroot into it and install grub from that.
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• 1702[16:24:14] <epiflux> of=if
• 1703[16:24:57] <me7zg3r> if was a just an iso, I foolishly pressed enter without specifying of, should I believe it really did nothing?
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• 1706[16:25:18] <Brigo> me7zg3r, if thing is are you tell, i think so.
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• 1708[16:25:33] <ychaouche> porton: in cloud based hosting you only pay what you actually consume (CPU, disk, memory, bandwidth etc.)
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• 1710[16:25:38] <Brigo> me7zg3r, of is where dd will write, without of it should don't write.
• 1711[16:25:52] <ychaouche> porton: and you can set limits of course so that you won't pay more than what you want.
• 1712[16:26:10] <ychaouche> porton: in which case it will cap.
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• 1718[16:27:40] <porton> ychaouche: I found that resizing can't decrease disk size, only increase :-(
• 1719[16:28:25] <ZeroNinex> who here has problems with making a bootable USB ?
• 1720[16:28:43] <porton> ZeroNinex: write it in ISO format (as if it was a CD)
• 1721[16:28:44] <ZeroNinex> in terminal ?
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• 1723[16:28:57] <dutchfish> ychaouche, see my last q. Also, this smells like incorrect config. See: replaced-url
• 1724[16:29:03] <ZeroNinex> step 1 : sudo fdisk -l
• 1725[16:29:18] <ychaouche> porton: maybe to prevent having to deal with users that erase data by shrinking disk size
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• 1727[16:29:34] <ychaouche> dutchfish: sorry got disconnected for 5 mintues, what was your question ?
• 1728[16:29:45] <dutchfish> ychaouche, one more thought, did you setup locales and tzdata correctly? (the default kernels locality wont work with this)
• 1729[16:29:49] <dutchfish> ychaouche, see my last q. Also, this smells like incorrect config. See: replaced-url
• 1730[16:29:53] <ZeroNinex> step 2 : dd if=yourlinuxdistrofilehere.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=512k
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• 1732[16:30:03] <ychaouche> well what was your last q :) ?
• 1733[16:30:32] <dutchfish> ychaouche, localilty setup and correct setup of tzdata.
• 1734[16:30:50] <dutchfish> (the debian way)
• 1735[16:31:18] <dutchfish> ychaouche, if not, dpkg-reconfigure locales | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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• 1737[16:31:48] <dutchfish> ychaouche, shorewall needs this
• 1738[16:32:15] <ZeroNinex> replaced-url
• 1739[16:32:42] <ychaouche> dutchfish: here's my rules file if you can spot anything incorrect : replaced-url
• 1740[16:33:19] <dutchfish> ychaouche, incorrect! rtfm
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• 1744[16:33:47] <ychaouche> I've read the manual and had the same setup on another machine just fine
• 1745[16:33:50] <epiflux> ZeroNinex, assuming the "b" in /dev/sdb is the correct device, yes.
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• 1749[16:34:37] <dutchfish> ychaouche, replaced-url
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• 1751[16:35:23] <ZeroNinex> epiflux : i found that USB made info @ the Kali Linux website : replaced-url
• 1752[16:35:36] <ZeroNinex> i think in every Linux distro it goes the same way.
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• 1757[16:36:48] <epiflux> ZeroNinex, and assuming the iso is hybrid, ie, it will boot from usb as well as cd/dvd.
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• 1759[16:37:09] <ZeroNinex> mostly i use cd's epiflux
• 1760[16:37:18] <ZeroNinex> sometimes USB'S ,
• 1761[16:37:26] <ZeroNinex> i have a external cd-rom :)
• 1762[16:37:34] <ZeroNinex> and cd's are very cheap :)
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• 1765[16:38:14] <ZeroNinex> dpkg-reconfigure tzdata = the command for edit your timezone and time
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• 1767[16:39:26] <OS-36810__> hello admins, is something wrong with 10.11.1.133, reverted twice, pings are unstable?
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• 1796[16:59:41] <me7zg3r> I'm trying to install debian on a formatted GPT SSD, I
• 1797[16:59:59] <me7zg3r> and I'm not getting a menu to choose from, same, only grub :(
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• 1799[17:00:54] <me7zg3r> okay let me try to phrase it right
• 1800[17:01:08] <me7zg3r> might it be that my iso burning tool is faulty?
• 1801[17:01:09] <Emil> me7zg3r: insert install media and boot it. At the end of the installation install grub to the ssd
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• 1806[17:03:23] <ZeroNinex> me7zg3r :
• 1807[17:03:30] <ZeroNinex> what burning tool do you use ?
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• 1810[17:05:32] <me7zg3r> I'm using another person's notebook, thus legacy OS
• 1811[17:05:42] <me7zg3r> was tryin to use software, it seems broken, will try again from cmd
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• 1817[17:08:11] <ZeroNinex> you use windows to make a bootable USB me7zg3r ??
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• 1821[17:10:30] <me7zg3r> I have no other option here
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• 1824[17:12:33] <ZeroNinex> me7zg3r :
• 1825[17:12:44] <ZeroNinex> replaced-url
• 1826[17:12:46] <ZeroNinex> :)
• 1827[17:12:53] <ZeroNinex> problem SOLVED :)
• 1828[17:13:26] <ZeroNinex> that program always works for me in Windows to make a bootable USB with a Linux distribution on it.
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• 1830[17:14:26] <dvs> !rufus
• 1831[17:14:26] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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• 1833[17:14:53] <hyperlumic> Rufus works fine in DD mode for Debian ISOs.
• 1834[17:14:59] <ZeroNinex> replaced-url
• 1835[17:15:09] <ZeroNinex> yep indeed hyperlumic
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• 1837[17:15:18] <hyperlumic> DD mode writes it to USB unmodified, like dd/cp would.
• 1838[17:15:46] <themill> except when it doesn't
• 1839[17:16:28] <hyperlumic> mkay.
• 1840[17:16:51] <ZeroNinex> me7zg3r :
• 1841[17:17:10] <ZeroNinex> after you have made the bootable USB with Rufus in Windows ,
• 1842[17:17:11] <me7zg3r> thanks guys
• 1843[17:17:24] <ZeroNinex> make sure you have secure boot disabled in your BIOS.
• 1844[17:17:41] <me7zg3r> yes, it is
• 1845[17:17:47] <ZeroNinex> ok.
• 1846[17:18:25] <me7zg3r> I really hate both uefi and compatibility underlay OSes, do they provide any benefit except hardware restrictions and theft protection?
• 1847[17:18:50] <ZeroNinex> yeah ,
• 1848[17:18:50] <me7zg3r> also, any thoughts on Intel's AMT/ISCT being trustful?
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• 1850[17:19:04] <ZeroNinex> i think it's gonna be a big problem in the future ,
• 1851[17:19:34] <ZeroNinex> microsoft and laptop factory's DON'T WANT you install an Linux distro as main OS ,
• 1852[17:19:39] <me7zg3r> I sincerely believe AMD will make an effort to provide an alternative
• 1853[17:19:57] <ZeroNinex> they wan't you install a Linux distro from the windows app store hahahah
• 1854[17:20:08] <ZeroNinex> to be honest ,
• 1855[17:20:12] <ZeroNinex> i hate microsoft.
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• 1857[17:20:29] <me7zg3r> "Please buy the root access feature to remove the ads"
• 1858[17:20:34] <wilkc> on my windows 10 laptop, I was getting ready to install stretch as the main OS and then realized what really is the difference if I just run as a VM?
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• 1860[17:20:52] <me7zg3r> well, big money, dirty games, I'm highly opposed to the whole nvidia-intel-microsoft conglomerate
• 1861[17:21:01] <Emil> wilkc: everything
• 1862[17:21:40] <wilkc> i felt like wasting an afternoon fixing horrific driver issues wasn't worth the time
• 1863[17:21:49] <ZeroNinex> i always thought microsoft hates linux ?
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• 1865[17:22:00] <ZeroNinex> but check this : replaced-url
• 1866[17:22:14] <ZeroNinex> they even put Kali Linux into the Windows 10 app store.
• 1867[17:22:17] * themill searches for something related to Debian user support
• 1868[17:22:19] <ZeroNinex> hahaahhahaahha!!!
• 1869[17:22:34] <ZeroNinex> i think ,
• 1870[17:22:42] <ZeroNinex> microsoft want's to take over linux.
• 1871[17:22:48] <RedSoxFan07> ZeroNinex: Microsoft actually changed its opinion of Linux after the CEO switch. Azure servers run Linux and Skype is available for Linux.
• 1872[17:22:53] <SlidingHorn> Good point...can we keep this just to debian support questions? Other topics can be discussed in #debian-offtopic
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• 1874[17:23:01] <me7zg3r> wilkc: you fix drivers once, you fight with legacy OSes forever
• 1875[17:23:49] <ZeroNinex> RedSoxFan07 : microsoft only thinks about money , not the windows / linux users.
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• 1878[17:24:03] <me7zg3r> RedSoxFan07: ZeroNinex I actually believe that's a falsepositive, they just don't care as long as Linux doesn't take their "yummy" part of consumers: housekeepers, kids and the old
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• 1880[17:24:09] <me7zg3r> you get the idea
• 1881[17:24:18] <ZeroNinex> mostly i have Kali Linux as main OS ,
• 1882[17:24:25] <ZeroNinex> and check this :
• 1883[17:24:38] <SlidingHorn> !offtopic
• 1884[17:24:38] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 1885[17:24:40] <RedSoxFan07> ZeroNinex: Yeah, I know. But now they're not as opposed to LInux as they were before. Is linux profitable for Microsoft?
• 1886[17:24:51] <me7zg3r> btw does debian fresh-installed have any security concerns? say via targeted attacks
• 1887[17:25:31] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, you can always check replaced-url
• 1888[17:25:34] <RedSoxFan07> me7zg3r: Which release did you install?
• 1889[17:25:46] <me7zg3r> I'm installing stretch stable
• 1890[17:26:23] <ZeroNinex> RedSoxFan07 : that is the big question
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• 1892[17:26:50] <me7zg3r> debian- and linux- based distributions are only profitable to the legacy OS via bad examples, cuz consumers make up their mind on the linux reputation pretty fast in the wrong direction
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• 1895[17:27:11] * jkemppainen wonders what the hell this has to do with Debian and Debian support.
• 1896[17:27:19] <ZeroNinex> Windows 10 users who download Kali from the Windows 10 app store get a BARE BONE installation hahaahha
• 1897[17:27:26] <jkemppainen> ...
• 1898[17:27:34] <ZeroNinex> Windows 10 users only know graphical things :p
• 1899[17:27:40] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, ZeroNinex Please take this to #debian-offtopic.
• 1900[17:27:44] <RedSoxFan07> At this point, I'm just glad that a recent version of Skype is available on Linux. I know it's not "free software" and Microsoft can use it to spy on you, but at least I can have it on my Debian PC and thus maintain compatibility wiht the rest of the world.
• 1901[17:27:49] <jkemppainen> You've made your point. Let's keep it on-topic here.
• 1902[17:27:55] <ZeroNinex> ok SlidingHorn
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• 1904[17:28:51] <me7zg3r> Agree
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• 1906[17:29:09] <me7zg3r> Question: Can (and should I) write the driver for a mouse if I cannot find it for Debian?
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• 1908[17:29:23] <me7zg3r> Mouse is PMSG1, it's a pretty loved one for me x)
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• 1915[17:35:09] <ZeroNinex> me7zg3r :
• 1916[17:35:26] <ZeroNinex> let me know if Rufus has done the job good for you!
• 1917[17:35:40] <ZeroNinex> i have Kali Linux at the moment on my laptop ,
• 1918[17:35:40] <me7zg3r> 95% burning rn
• 1919[17:35:49] <ZeroNinex> sometimes i have Debian , sometimes Kali
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• 1921[17:36:03] <ZeroNinex> distro hopping lol
• 1922[17:36:04] <me7zg3r> can u have 2 roots dualbooting on a machine?
• 1923[17:36:13] <ZeroNinex> no idea.
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• 1925[17:36:31] <ZeroNinex> be right back.
• 1926[17:36:37] <BCMM> me7zg3r: what doesn't work out-of-the-box?
• 1927[17:36:47] <ZeroNinex> was doing something with a penetration testing tool in my Kali.
• 1928[17:36:52] <me7zg3r> dpi config, surface testing and macros
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• 1930[17:37:53] <BCMM> me7zg3r: oh, is there a windows utility for that? i can't seem to find on on the Prestigio site
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• 1932[17:38:28] <me7zg3r> yeah the driver is extremely rare, but I have it for that os
• 1933[17:38:42] <me7zg3r> ZeroNinex: rufus did great, ty
• 1934[17:38:58] <ZeroNinex> ha.
• 1935[17:39:10] <ZeroNinex> and now , a fresh Debian install :)
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• 1937[17:39:50] <ZeroNinex> every 2 weeks i install a new debian or kali ,
• 1938[17:40:02] <ZeroNinex> 2 weeks debian for watching movies.
• 1939[17:40:18] <ZeroNinex> and 2 weeks kali for experimenting with the penetration testing tools.
• 1940[17:40:27] <ZeroNinex> i do alot installations.
• 1941[17:40:31] <ZeroNinex> every month.
• 1942[17:40:33] <me7zg3r> why cant kali run a video player and/or debian run vm-kali?
• 1943[17:40:58] <SlidingHorn> ... #debian-offtopic please. This is not a chat channel.
• 1944[17:41:09] <ZeroNinex> yep.
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• 1946[17:41:46] <ZeroNinex> me7zg3r join #debian-offtopic after you have installed a fresh Debian :)
• 1947[17:42:14] <me7zg3r> I'm interested in the drivers problem though, aight
• 1948[17:42:49] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, to respond to that question about the drivers, if it's within your capability and will to do so, by all means, write that driver! :)
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• 1950[17:43:22] <me7zg3r> we can always learn or hire the guy to do it :)
• 1951[17:44:04] <me7zg3r> Might it be that the drivers for said microschemes were already written?
• 1952[17:44:11] <me7zg3r> I know this mouse has 2-4 rebrans
• 1953[17:44:13] <me7zg3r> rebrands*
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• 1958[17:47:34] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, here's the package that provides mouse drivers: replaced-url
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• 1961[17:48:53] <me7zg3r> Can it be customized in order to swap macro profiles, etc?
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• 1966[17:51:11] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, no idea, you'd have to look into it
• 1967[17:51:39] <me7zg3r> aight, i'll try to have a closer look at xorg input config, thanks
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• 1971[17:53:28] <me7zg3r> Might I clonezilla-backup (or otherwise, please advise a better solution if you know any) a LVM-wholedisk system?
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• 1974[17:55:09] <shtrb|laptop> What is the proper name for replaced-url
• 1975[17:55:19] <RoyK> me7zg3r: replaced-url
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• 1977[17:56:39] <me7zg3r> exactly, I'm thinking the whole xorg/xserver thing is a mess, yet whoami to tell
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• 1984[17:58:51] <me7zg3r> from what I know, Xorg is a desktop environment manager, are there any others?
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• 1994[18:02:08] <blaztek> me7zg3r: wayland maybe
• 1995[18:02:29] <hyperlumic> You'd be wrong. Xorg is a display server.
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• 2000[18:04:22] <me7zg3r> oh thank you
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• 2003[18:04:53] <me7zg3r> hyperlumic: you are correct... anyway, I'm exploring the whole linux ecosystem, thus asking dumb questions
• 2004[18:05:06] <me7zg3r> can you have a GUI-view of the config files somehow?
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• 2006[18:05:30] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, you mean, not in a text editor?
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• 2013[18:08:52] <Fare> I solved my debian issues, but oh my, the pain! Some packages wouldn't configure because of a missing /dev/pts, a missing /tmp/root/, missing directories from a wrongfully inherited XDG_DATA_DIRS variable, or a missing en_US.UTF-8 locale from a missing dpkg-reconfigure locales. So much trivia required to make it work!
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• 2021[18:11:40] <me7zg3r> yeah, SlidingHorn
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• 2023[18:12:18] <me7zg3r> I've just fresh-installed debian via LVM, now I can't boot, loading routine skips both disk and grub
• 2024[18:12:27] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, there used to be a package called xorg-conf, but it's no longer active.
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• 2031[18:16:05] <SlidingHorn> me7zg3r, isn't that the same issue you had earlier?
• 2032[18:16:06] <Fare> me7zg3r, you may have to setup some /etc/disktab or something for the LVM to be found.
• 2033[18:16:30] <me7zg3r> meh it was that it installed freaking csm
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• 2035[18:17:13] <me7zg3r> what i'm trying to say is that its a csm installation somehow instead of the gpt i opted for
• 2036[18:17:28] <me7zg3r> maybe i've installed it wrong
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• 2039[18:18:04] <me7zg3r> at least I logged in
• 2040[18:18:19] <me7zg3r> could anyone advise a nice way to backup a wholedisk-LVM system?
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• 2042[18:18:34] <me7zg3r> I wish to backup only the required files, would that mean only root?
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• 2049[18:21:20] <funyun> SlidingHorn: hey
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• 2053[18:22:13] <SlidingHorn> funyun, howdy - so....first place we'll look is ~/.xinitrc
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• 2055[18:23:04] <UukGoblin> when I type 'su', start typing a password, realize half-way through that it's wrong, and press ctrl-c, WHY DO I GET A DELAY?
• 2056[18:23:10] <funyun> SlidingHorn: file doesn't exist
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• 2058[18:23:38] <SlidingHorn> UukGoblin, you can just hit backspace a bunch of times and start over :)
• 2059[18:23:47] <SlidingHorn> funyun, okay...just a sec
• 2060[18:23:50] <UukGoblin> I understand PAM likes to force a delay between password attempts, so it IS reasonable to have a delay if I type in a wrong password and press ENTER, but not when I abort the whole process
• 2061[18:24:15] <UukGoblin> SlidingHorn, yeah but I never know how many backspaces that is, also ctrl-c + uparrow + enter is normally way faster
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• 2087[18:37:53] <linuxnewb> Hi, guys, I have a question - What's a good file manager to use in Debian, that would show me "correct" filesizes (1GB = 1024MB)? or is that a setting I can change somehow, Nautilus shows sizes in 1,000 scale
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• 2092[18:40:43] <me7zg3r> you can look up editing of your current file manager, I believe
• 2093[18:40:50] <me7zg3r> the config files*
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• 2149[19:03:28] <linuxnewb> I found Krusader file manager, that works correctly...filesizes show up correctly now :)
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• 2224[19:39:03] <bolovanos> hypotetical question - one device, two disks (A,B) with debian on it. Only remote acces through :22. System is booted from A, how can i "shutdown -r now" to start from B. And than after job done (dd of disk A copy) restart and boot from B?
• 2225[19:39:44] <bolovanos> Would love to have some KVM switch - but it is low budget project...
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• 2230[19:41:53] <petemc> replaced-url
• 2231[19:43:22] <bolovanos> petemc, thanks was reading abot GRfew sec ago replaced-url
• 2232[19:43:26] <bolovanos> :)
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• 2253[19:59:53] <Dodd> Hallo spricht jemand deutsch ?
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• 2258[20:02:02] <SlidingHorn> !de
• 2259[20:02:02] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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• 2321[20:42:10] <me7zg3r> !ru
• 2322[20:42:10] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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• 2335[20:50:00] <ryouma> it seems USER is set by i don't know what, but logging in sets it. but cron does not set it. idk about ssh. what's its function in debian?
• 2336[20:50:21] <ryouma> (of course not talking about kbsd)
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• 2362[21:00:50] <jhutchins> ryouma: The differences are due to whether the system considers the shell interactive.
• 2363[21:01:22] <jhutchins> THat determines which profile files are read, and whether bash reads the bash profile files.
• 2364[21:02:22] <jhutchins> ryouma: replaced-url
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• 2416[21:31:23] <me7zg3r> Dear Dears
• 2417[21:31:37] <me7zg3r> The manual is teaching specifically about LVM management for system administrators
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• 2419[21:31:54] <me7zg3r> Can somebody teach me briefly on maintaining/backuping a LVM machine?
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• 2450[21:52:18] <Elvira38> hello
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• 2458[21:58:41] <vfw> me7zg3r: This looks pretty good: replaced-url
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• 2464[21:59:48] <me7zg3r> thank you!
• 2465[22:00:03] <me7zg3r> how do I actually handle the "snapshots" technique?
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• 2467[22:00:24] <me7zg3r> where the snapshot is only updated when a file is changing by mirroring
• 2468[22:00:47] <me7zg3r> in other words: it backs up sensitive files only when those are about to be replaced with new versions
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• 2475[22:04:16] <me7zg3r> unfortunately I'm too sleepy to understand that now, but huge thanks to you, vfw !
• 2476[22:04:25] <me7zg3r> i
• 2477[22:04:31] <me7zg3r> i'll read on that in the morning
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• 2492[22:13:37] <me7zg3r> vfw: thanks!!
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• 2501[22:16:55] <dirac1> What's the difference between iptables and ebtables?
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• 2503[22:18:10] <hyperlumic> dirac1: iptables operates at layer 3 - IP traffic. ebtables operates at layer 2, Ethernet. Basically, ebtables allows you to set up firewall-like functionality on an Ethernet bridge interface.
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• 2505[22:18:44] <dirac1> hyperlumic, so this means i can't use.. bridges on iptables..
• 2506[22:19:08] <dirac1> But what if I create a rule for an interface inside a bridge?
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• 2529[22:30:12] <quarterback> Hello, I have "dummy output" for sound in debian. Can anybody know a solution to fix this? I've tried some tutorials on the web on fixing the issue by configurig alsa mixer but to no avail. I'm on debian 9.4 with the audio chip alc662 realtek.
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• 2543[22:37:24] <quarterback> I am on debian stretch 9.4. I have "dummy sound" for output and I've tried alsa utils, alsa mixer and configured alsa. Nothing works. Is there a way to fix sound on debain or just give up?
• 2544[22:38:21] <quarterback> When I plugin headphones into audio jack, I hear nothing but noise.
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• 2546[22:38:52] <quarterback> I've install firmware-realtek if that helps.
• 2547[22:38:56] <keith20> make sure something isn't muted - replaced-url
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• 2549[22:39:23] <keith20> ^ pacmd list-sinks|grep muted
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• 2554[22:41:53] <quarterback> keith20, Here is the output replaced-url
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• 2557[22:44:07] <quarterback> keith20, replaced-url
• 2558[22:44:57] <quarterback> I got muted: no for that running as a user who is not root.
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• 2560[22:47:07] <keith20> hmm, it should give output w/o being root
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• 2562[22:47:42] <awal1> quarterback, install pulseaudio and manage sound stuff via pavucontrol?
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• 2566[22:48:30] <quarterback> awal1, I see "dummy output" after running pavucontrol.
• 2567[22:48:59] <quarterback> awal1, On headphones, I hear noise
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• 2569[22:49:57] <quarterback> awal1, It seems the sound card alc662 is detected by the OS, but I see "dummy output" in all GUI sound applications
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• 2575[22:54:04] <awal1> quarterback, anything if you kill pulseaudio and you start it again (pulseaudio --kill/pulseaudio --start)?
• 2576[22:54:35] <quarterback> awal1, Should I do that as root?
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• 2579[22:54:58] <awal1> quarterback, no, just as regulr user
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• 2581[22:55:25] <awal1> kill it and wait a few seconds and start it again
• 2582[22:56:32] <quarterback> awal1, I still see "dummy output" after that.
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• 2588[22:57:52] <quarterback> awal1, What to do now?
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• 2593[22:59:36] <awal1> not sure what causes your issue since I found dozens of reports with same problem googling but each one have it's own context; also not a new issue
• 2594[22:59:40] <quarterback> keith20, any ideas on how to detect the sound card?
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• 2596[23:00:23] <quarterback> awal1, Seems like some people fixed the issue with editing conf files in /etc/modprobe.d/ directory. I tried that but dont know what to put in there.
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• 2600[23:04:35] <awal1> quarterback, you can use "lspci -v | grep snd" for check kernel driver in use and "aplay --list-devices" for list cards and devices
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• 2605[23:05:31] <quarterback> awal1, Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel, Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
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• 2664[23:39:27] <pabgan> hello there. Does anybody know how to swap right ctrl and alt keys for Virtual Consoles? I have Debian installed without X
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