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• 101[00:53:49] <Richard_Cavell> -/=-
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• 125[01:05:53] <Resilience> hello to everyone, which packages should I install for getting eclipse environment?
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• 127[01:05:59] <mkisllfail> Hi
• 128[01:06:12] <mkisllfail> Help.. Im on installer and it says an installation step failed select and install software debian
• 129[01:06:26] <missmbob> ,i eclipse
• 130[01:06:27] <judd> Package eclipse (devel, optional) in jessie/amd64: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. Version: 3.8.1-7; Size: 53.3k; Installed: 138k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 131[01:06:44] <missmbob> mkisllfail: how did you copy the iso to the usb?
• 132[01:06:52] <mkisllfail> Rufus
• 133[01:06:59] <mkisllfail> On windows
• 134[01:06:59] <missmbob> mkisllfail: you cant do that with debian
• 135[01:07:01] <missmbob> !rufus
• 136[01:07:01] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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• 138[01:07:11] <mkisllfail> I see
• 139[01:07:18] <missmbob> mkisllfail: for debian iso on windows you *have* to use win32diskimager
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• 141[01:07:22] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
• 142[01:07:27] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
• 143[01:07:36] <mkisllfail> Can i pwer off my laptop?
• 144[01:07:44] <missmbob> mkisllfail: yes
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• 146[01:08:11] <Resilience> here replaced-url
• 147[01:08:15] <mkisllfail> What is the debian desktop envirnment?
• 148[01:08:37] <missmbob> mkisllfail: default is gnome. you can select anyone you want in the installer
• 149[01:08:43] <mkisllfail> And thx missmbob
• 150[01:09:56] <mkisllfail> Also what is the network hostname, how is it different from my username?
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• 152[01:10:31] <missmbob> hostname if the title of the device. "delllaptop" or "backup" or whatever
• 153[01:10:40] <missmbob> is*
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• 155[01:11:04] <mkisllfail> Ty
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• 159[01:13:00] <mkisllfail> im doing command pls
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• 161[01:13:06] <mkisllfail> !usb_install
• 162[01:13:37] <mkisllfail> Im looking for software not win32diskimager cause it fail
• 163[01:14:08] <mkisllfail> Nvm
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• 165[01:14:29] <mkisllfail> I select un block and disable read only
• 166[01:14:45] <mkisllfail> Hope it will work!!
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• 174[01:18:16] <mkisllfail> I think i failed again. My target file is iso and the software is looking for img file. So is that why i see 300kb on the disk on key or is it because of the partition? Whatever is it am i doing right?
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• 183[01:23:01] <mkisllfail> It works
• 184[01:23:54] <mkisllfail> On graphical touchpad not work but luckily i have usb mouse
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• 230[01:42:49] <kifkaz> Hi
• 231[01:43:04] <kifkaz> I have problem with partitions
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• 234[01:44:02] <gry> yes ?
• 235[01:44:23] <kifkaz> I selected guided and it selected all disk and then i cancelled and now it rename to ext4 from swap
• 236[01:44:33] <kifkaz> Im not sure how to sort it
• 237[01:45:01] <gry> is it running right now?
• 238[01:45:05] <kifkaz> Yes
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• 240[01:45:13] <gry> what is it doing?
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• 242[01:45:15] <kifkaz> Im from android irc client
• 243[01:45:27] <kifkaz> Im on partition disks window.
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• 245[01:45:53] <kifkaz> Oh
• 246[01:46:14] <kifkaz> I found guided up but it use windows partitions too and i dont want that
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• 250[01:47:57] <kifkaz> I want to keep windows partitions and do dual boot with debian
• 251[01:48:32] <kifkaz> When i select 'guided partitioning' it takes all the disk
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• 254[01:48:47] <kifkaz> And i dont want that
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• 259[01:50:56] <kifkaz> Gry can you help me please 😁
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• 265[01:53:59] <missmbob> kifkaz: in the installed it says "guided - use the largest continous free space"
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• 268[01:54:33] <kifkaz> So what to do?
• 269[01:54:37] <missmbob> kifkaz: if you have no free space (not taken up by existing partitions) you need to use something like gparted live iso to shrink windows frist
• 270[01:54:55] <kifkaz> I shrinked 300 gb!
• 271[01:55:17] <missmbob> so select what i said
• 272[01:55:17] <LtL> kifkaz: you want to prepare the disk from windows ising disk management, shrink the windows partition and save, leave the rest unallocated. When you install debian it shouls ask to install on remaining space... do so
• 273[01:55:39] <LtL> *using. gparted would be fine
• 274[01:55:44] <kifkaz> On windows i shrinked 300 gb.
• 275[01:55:59] <missmbob> windows cant shrink itself so that makes no sense
• 276[01:56:09] <kifkaz> On disk managemenf
• 277[01:56:14] <missmbob> no it cant
• 278[01:56:20] <missmbob> the partition cannot be active
• 279[01:56:21] <kifkaz> 😢
• 280[01:56:46] <LtL> missmbob: ive done it numerous times, go figure
• 281[01:57:28] <missmbob> windows has it's own lvm "clone". there you can do it. not normally
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• 283[01:57:44] <kifkaz> Guy
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• 285[01:57:48] <kifkaz> Guys*
• 286[01:57:53] <missmbob> miss
• 287[01:58:24] <kifkaz> What if i see what guided do and i will do the same settings on the last partitions?
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• 290[01:59:24] <kifkaz> Like i have 2 ntfs and im not going to touch it. And 2 are ext4
• 291[01:59:33] <kifkaz> Will it be ok?
• 292[01:59:57] <missmbob> that doesnt make sense to me so i dont know what you mean. and i have to go. good luck
• 293[02:00:12] <kifkaz> I will try
• 294[02:00:22] <kifkaz> What can go wrong?
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• 299[02:01:28] <kifkaz> Answer pls
• 300[02:01:42] <LtL> kifkaz: i've found NOT making any ext3/4 partitions best, leave the space empty and unformatted. the installer will use the unallocated and spare windows
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• 305[02:02:57] <kifkaz> You are not making any sense. Guided says it will use entire **disk**
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• 309[02:03:26] <missmbob> it says there when there is no free space. if there is free space it'll give you that option
• 310[02:03:27] <kifkaz> I guess i will have to do it manual
• 311[02:03:34] <kifkaz> Right?
• 312[02:03:54] <LtL> kifkaz: you dont want that and it will likely say that because it see's a full disk with no unallocated space to use exclusively
• 313[02:04:33] <kifkaz> So
• 314[02:04:53] <missmbob> so dont use windows to resize windows. use gparted live iso like i said a long time ago
• 315[02:05:05] <kifkaz> How..
• 316[02:05:21] <N9NU> which filesystem is best for sending files via SMB/CIFS & FTP between a win 8/10 box and a NAS box running Linux.....ext4 or ZFS
• 317[02:05:23] <missmbob> you google gparted live iso and click on the very first link. #1
• 318[02:05:48] <missmbob> N9NU: i'd use ext4
• 319[02:05:56] <N9NU> best = highest throughput obtainable via GB NIC's
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• 323[02:06:07] <N9NU> ok....sounds good to ,me
• 324[02:06:12] <LtL> kifkaz: missmbob is correct, but don't create any new partition, then the installer should give you the option when it see's winndows AND empty unformatted space.
• 325[02:06:25] <missmbob> N9NU: zfs uses fuse. extra overhead
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• 328[02:07:09] <N9NU> yeah...thats what i was thinking as well...more RAM would help...
• 329[02:07:16] <N9NU> ill go with ext4
• 330[02:07:23] <LtL> kifkaz: gparted live is a ~250 MB ISO
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• 336[02:08:21] <kifkaz> Im downloading gparted.. What to do there?
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• 339[02:09:12] <LtL> kifkaz: You need to burn the iso image of gparted live and boot it
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• 342[02:09:56] <missmbob> kifkaz: how do you manage to do so much without reading anything? replaced-url
• 343[02:10:08] <LtL> kifkaz: btw windows 7 has isoburn.exe which b7urns bootable images in no time at all from a dos box. google it.
• 344[02:10:09] <missmbob> kifkaz: that tells you how to get it to usb. that tells you how to do everything. please, at least attempt
• 345[02:10:17] <LtL> kifkaz: g'luck. night
• 346[02:10:30] <N9NU> wodim is your friend
• 347[02:10:48] <kifkaz> Ty
• 348[02:10:51] <ScottE> ZFS does not use fuse, it's a native filesystem these days
• 349[02:11:01] <wodim> yes I am
• 350[02:11:03] <kifkaz> I guess im just bastard 😯
• 351[02:11:07] <wodim> yes you are
• 352[02:11:26] <kifkaz> How to not be like that?
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• 354[02:11:48] <missmbob> kifkaz: pay attemption and stop bothering people when +1min of attention would give you the information you want
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• 357[02:13:22] <kifkaz> wodim ?
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• 360[02:13:49] <kifkaz> missmbob you are not clear
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• 363[02:14:21] <missmbob> it happens. english isnt my first language.
• 364[02:14:48] <kifkaz> Sry i think i understanding you
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• 368[02:17:20] <N9NU> bashburn is your friend too :)
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• 370[02:17:54] <kifkaz> Im not bastard. I mean lazy
• 371[02:18:09] <kifkaz> Wodim u are wild
• 372[02:18:09] <N9NU> oh my
• 373[02:18:24] <wodim> can confirm
• 374[02:18:57] <N9NU> i didnt realize someone had to nick wodim
• 375[02:19:01] <N9NU> lol
• 376[02:19:20] <kifkaz> 😅
• 377[02:19:57] <kifkaz> I try gparted
• 378[02:20:05] <gry> kifkaz, still there?
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• 380[02:20:25] <kifkaz> Yes
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• 382[02:20:34] <kifkaz> Im burning gparted
• 383[02:20:49] <gry> kifkaz, you can use the installer I think. you want dual boot, right?
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• 385[02:21:14] <kifkaz> To remove the partition i created before ?
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• 388[02:21:30] <kifkaz> Yes i want dual boot
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• 393[02:22:39] <gry> ok
• 394[02:22:52] <gry> use gparted, someone here will help you out with it
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• 399[02:24:23] <kifkaz> The download is corrupted..
• 400[02:24:40] <tuxmax> hi
• 401[02:24:53] <N9NU> heh
• 402[02:24:57] <kifkaz> Hi
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• 404[02:25:16] <kifkaz> I downlaoded and it missed 10 mb 😬
• 405[02:25:20] <tuxmax> everyone here have installed zentyal on debian 8.6?
• 406[02:25:45] <N9NU> i run ClearOS now
• 407[02:25:48] <kifkaz> !zentyal
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• 414[02:27:17] <tuxmax> kifkaz: yes its for do a small linux server
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• 416[02:27:40] <N9NU> firewall/gateway/router/etc
• 417[02:27:51] <jpinx> kifkaz: when you get a clean download of gparted, put it on a usb stick and boot from that -- then you can play withh all partitions on the hard drive at the same time, because none of them will be mounted
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• 423[02:28:50] <kifkaz> Play is not safe!!!
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• 426[02:29:19] <N9NU> with yourself it is
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• 428[02:29:49] <jpinx> kifkaz: woring with partitions is NOT SAFE
• 429[02:29:55] <jpinx> ....working
• 430[02:30:11] <kifkaz> No
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• 434[02:30:48] <N9NU> if you know what your doing, then it's a piece-o-cake
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• 436[02:31:11] <kifkaz> I don't know anything
• 437[02:31:18] <jpinx> N9NU: that appears to be a very big IF
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• 439[02:31:40] <N9NU> perhaps in his case lol
• 440[02:31:42] <N9NU> i dunno
• 441[02:31:47] <jpinx> kifkaz: can you still boot into windows?
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• 443[02:32:04] <kifkaz> Im on windows
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• 445[02:32:47] <LtL> kifkaz: replaced-url
• 446[02:33:10] <jpinx> I am not up-to-date with windows, but it used to be that you had to defrag the windows partitions several times each to free up the trailing empty space
• 447[02:33:53] <kifkaz> They said it wont work
• 448[02:34:07] <jpinx> kifkaz: who said?
• 449[02:34:07] <kifkaz> They said i have to use gparted
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• 451[02:34:19] <kifkaz> Ms something
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• 454[02:34:33] <tuxmax> N9NU: clearos you install packege on a debian or you install a system with clearos distribution?
• 455[02:34:35] <kifkaz> (LtL) kifkaz: you dont want that and it will likely say that because it see's a full disk with no unallocated space to use exclusively
• 456[02:34:41] <LtL> kifkaz: defragging is a good idea always before resizing with any method.
• 457[02:34:58] <kifkaz> (missmbob) windows cant shrink itself so that makes no sense
• 458[02:35:03] * jpinx bows out
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• 460[02:35:16] <N9NU> i installed via their ISO. I used Zentyal as well..however, not via Debian
• 461[02:35:18] <kifkaz> I defragged before
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• 463[02:35:36] <kifkaz> So people say what they want here..
• 464[02:35:42] <N9NU> Both are great
• 465[02:36:32] <kifkaz> Just trying to figure out partitions thing..
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• 468[02:36:51] <jpinx> kifkaz: I only tell you that I have Win and Deb on my hard-drive and both boot happily -- been like that for years
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• 472[02:37:53] <jpinx> kifkaz: windows does not shrink when it defrags, it only cleans up the filesystem so that the free space is all at the end, available to gparted
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• 474[02:37:59] <kifkaz> But guided partition used entire disk so i need to do something.. Or to do manual partition
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• 476[02:38:24] <jpinx> kifkaz: did you get a clean download of gparted yet?
• 477[02:38:40] <kifkaz> Yes
• 478[02:38:49] <jpinx> you can not install dual boot until you have sorted out the partitions with gparted
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• 480[02:39:05] <AlexLikeRock> hi all
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• 482[02:39:22] <kifkaz> But i dont know how to use gparted
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• 484[02:39:33] <jpinx> kifkaz: can you boot into gparted and still chat in here?
• 485[02:40:08] <kifkaz> Yes but on disk management i have 2 partitions not need to delete it?
• 486[02:40:15] <AlexLikeRock> kifkaz, search videos at youtube
• 487[02:40:42] <kifkaz> I searched on youtube jusf finished but it didnt help
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• 489[02:40:59] <jpinx> kifkaz: ok -- reboot into gparted and we will sort out the partitions
• 490[02:41:15] <LtL> kifkaz: IF the installer finds unallocated/unformatted space with windows on the same drive it will ask you if you want to keep windows and use empty space. your two partitions are windows and the recovery partition. this is a dark art but not hard.
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• 492[02:42:05] <kifkaz> No they are not recovery because i dont have one. Only two labels and two without
• 493[02:42:32] <jpinx> LtL: I get the impression that his windows is occupying the whole hard drive
• 494[02:42:45] <kifkaz> 1.System reserved 2. C: 3. 300gb no label 4. 13 gb no label
• 495[02:42:50] <jpinx> kifkaz: are you booted into gparted yet?
• 496[02:42:51] <LtL> jpinx: i believe it is, yes
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• 499[02:43:10] <kifkaz> Im booting to gparted now
• 500[02:43:52] <jpinx> ok kifkaz get into the GUI of the partition table, the pictogram that describes your set up
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• 504[02:44:27] <kifkaz> Yes now it's loading
• 505[02:44:37] <kifkaz> Itts searching
• 506[02:45:00] <kifkaz> Okay it searched and listed many partitions
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• 510[02:45:55] <jpinx> kifkaz: you might see ntfs partitions at sda1 sda2 and sda3 -- am I right?
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• 512[02:46:39] <kifkaz> Yss
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• 515[02:47:09] <jpinx> kifkaz: there might be some small "unallocated" space between partitions too -- just ignore them
• 516[02:47:55] <kifkaz> ... /dev/sda1 system reserved . /dev/sda2 ntfs . /dev/sda3 extended : (inside) /dev/sda5 ext4 , /dev/sda6 linux-swap
• 517[02:47:56] <jpinx> kifkaz: looking at the sda3 partition, the occupied space should be coloured in on the gui pictogram -- you see that?
• 518[02:48:24] <missmbob> !ifrp
• 519[02:48:24] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 520[02:48:29] <kifkaz> I see sda3
• 521[02:49:01] <jpinx> kifkaz: why is sda3 linux?
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• 523[02:49:25] <tonytraductor> but I'm told to select single user, THEN edit the line, but there is no single user line to edit.
• 524[02:49:27] <kifkaz> Jpinx: maybe because of debian or ubuntu i had before
• 525[02:49:41] <jpinx> kifkaz: before what?
• 526[02:49:42] <kifkaz> I mean debian installer
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• 528[02:50:02] <kifkaz> I installed before ubuntu gnome but i did not like it.
• 529[02:50:21] <kifkaz> Or its because antregos.. Im not remember
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• 531[02:50:53] <jpinx> kifkaz: ok -- ask gparted to delete the extended partition sda3 with all that crap in it
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• 536[02:51:23] <jpinx> kifkaz: you're sure you can boot windows with just sda1 and sda2 ?
• 537[02:51:25] <kifkaz> Ok
• 538[02:51:33] <kifkaz> 100%
• 539[02:52:16] <jpinx> kifkaz: ok -- once you have deleted sda3 and exited gparted, you can run the installer again and it will find the empty space and ask you waht you want to do with it
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• 541[02:52:27] <kifkaz> Ok
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• 543[02:52:40] <kifkaz> To keep it unallocated space as is?
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• 546[02:53:01] <jpinx> kifkaz: tell gparted to delete sda3 and exit gparted
• 547[02:53:13] <tonytraductor> and I'm told to add init =/bin/bash to a line that starts with "linux /boot/vmlinuz" but After selecting single user which doesn't appear as an option
• 548[02:53:22] <jpinx> you will see that the old sda3 will become "unallocated space"
• 549[02:53:31] <kifkaz> Jpinx 👌
• 550[02:53:48] <kifkaz> Yes!!
• 551[02:53:53] <LtL> kifkaz: tip - reboot into windows first, it may run chkdisk, let it. after it boots clean you are ready to power down and boot installer.
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• 554[02:54:06] <jpinx> kifkaz: LtL very good advice
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• 557[02:54:35] * jpinx forget about the auto chkdsk windows likes to do
• 558[02:54:41] <kifkaz> If windows complain about chkdsk i will go to sleep because it stuck before..
• 559[02:54:42] <tonytraductor> HOwcan I recover my root password without single yser mode
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• 562[02:55:04] <jpinx> kifkaz: that's cool -- sometimes chkdsk can take a while
• 563[02:55:24] <kifkaz> It stuck on 12% and then i power it off, twice..
• 564[02:55:30] <jpinx> kifkaz: it's not stuck - you're just impatient ;)
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• 566[02:55:42] <centrx> slow and steady wins the race
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• 569[02:57:02] <jpinx> centrx: so true !!
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• 571[02:57:31] <kifkaz> Corruption wins Ll
• 572[02:57:34] <kifkaz> All*
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• 575[02:57:54] <LtL> tomocha_______: you need to re-examine the factoid missmbob sent you.
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• 577[02:58:18] <LtL> wrong nick, he left.
• 578[02:58:30] <LtL> tomocha_______: sorry.
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• 582[03:00:26] <kifkaz> It said missing firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw .. Is it bad?
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• 585[03:01:32] <LtL> kifkaz: you should be able to install that firmware later
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• 594[03:05:21] <LtL> kifkaz: kifkaz you will need this .deb, its in non-free sources but you can put it on a stick. replaced-url
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• 602[03:08:35] <kifkaz> Nice
• 603[03:09:32] <kifkaz> Wowowo 4 am ✌✌
• 604[03:09:33] <OtakuSenpai> guys how do i upgrade my Jessie distro to Stretch?
• 605[03:10:07] <dvs> why?
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• 607[03:11:06] <centrx> !jessie->stretch
• 608[03:11:25] <centrx> !jessie->stretch
• 609[03:11:25] <OtakuSenpai> bcoz i want more new things...i am a C++ programmer and i want the latest C++14 standard to learn more stuff
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• 611[03:11:31] <centrx> wtd
• 612[03:11:34] <dvs> !sns
• 613[03:11:34] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 614[03:11:58] <OtakuSenpai> !backports
• 615[03:11:59] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 616[03:12:22] <OtakuSenpai> !simple sid backports
• 617[03:12:22] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 619[03:13:20] <OtakuSenpai> !deb-src sid
• 620[03:13:20] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
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• 628[03:17:58] <OtakuSenpai> !bdo
• 629[03:17:59] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 661[03:47:13] <kifkaz> Thx guys.. Ita still installing take a lot of time and ita getting hells late
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• 666[03:49:30] <LtL> kifkaz: make coffee
• 667[03:51:16] <LtL> kifkaz: on a decent speed chip, a full gnome jessie install takes less than two hours, easy. ymmv
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• 669[03:53:25] <LtL> he left..
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• 677[04:00:51] <centrx> Gnome is junk
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• 682[04:02:45] <LtL> could be, works for me. i've tried others, and liked them.
• 683[04:03:34] <LtL> 'different strokes for different folks' - jimi hendrix
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• 696[04:08:06] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai: please /msg the bot in the future when it's information for just yourself
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• 699[04:09:25] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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• 707[04:16:58] <Stiffler> hi
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• 709[04:17:26] <Stiffler> can someone recomend me good books on linux intermidiate level
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• 724[04:26:04] <pingfloyd> Stiffler: problem with printed books is they don't keep up very well
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• 727[04:27:47] <hantu> agree
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• 816[05:30:55] <Old_Dog> Stiffler: It isn't a book, and may be too elementary for you, but have you looked at replaced-url
• 817[05:31:15] <Stiffler> not yet
• 818[05:31:21] <Stiffler> ty for the link
• 819[05:31:33] <Stiffler> 0ld_Dog
• 820[05:31:41] <cast> keep up with...what? the linux environment doesn't change all that fast
• 821[05:31:43] <Old_Dog> :)
• 822[05:33:24] <cast> a decade ago we might have learned to use vi/emacs, we might have used bash as our shell. we might have used irssi as our IRC client. we setup our disks with cfdisk, and made our filesystems with mkfs.$something
• 823[05:33:41] <cast> we checked our documentation via browsing through man, info, or /usr/share/doc/
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• 826[05:34:43] <cast> the nice thing about this unix-like OS thing we have going on here, is that those familiar with the system a decade, have a pretty good grasp of the system today
• 827[05:34:59] <cast> decade ago*
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• 833[05:36:47] <cast> from the server side, setting up a mail server, ftp server, web server, sshd, is all about the same as its always been
• 834[05:37:19] <cast> in case its not clear, i like books. they contain a tonne of value :)
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• 839[05:39:57] <hantu> for example wifi library
• 840[05:40:15] <cast> wifi...library? what does that mean?
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• 842[05:40:35] <hantu> some drivers need special care
• 843[05:40:54] <hantu> the changes were so much sometimes its confusing
• 844[05:41:14] <hantu> and also kernel support
• 845[05:41:56] <cast> that they do. and much like a decade ago, we go through the same process back then as we do today, establish if a driver is in tree, or out of tree, or non-existant
• 846[05:42:16] <cast> such things in a book would indeed be....not very good
• 847[05:42:43] <hantu> rc.d to init.d to systemd
• 848[05:43:11] <hantu> i'm today still confused, must be the noob in me :)
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• 851[05:44:23] <cast> i have yet to use systemd on my own systems, though service $thing start/stop work much the same as they always have in debian :)
• 852[05:44:46] <cast> i think there's two kinds of knowledge we encounter, that of short term use, and that of long term use
• 853[05:44:56] <hantu> used to use a distro thats is purist in nature and not much change in years, however in debian its totally different
• 854[05:44:57] <cast> the web is great for that short term stuff
• 855[05:45:56] <hantu> for example, jessie doesnt play well with my mobo, but sid is ok
• 856[05:45:58] <cast> books or the web may be great for that long term stuff. i'd suggest to anyone that they focus on that long term stuff, i have a lot of knowledge that's just...useless now. once I had to learn VB6, and Delphi, I would have been far better off learning scheme
• 857[05:46:25] <hantu> granted my mobo is old :D
• 858[05:46:47] <hantu> hahaha delphi and object pascal
• 859[05:46:56] <hantu> what about corba
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• 861[05:50:18] <hantu> at least vb6 is still relevant to .net
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• 866[05:53:43] <cast> to some degree, i gather nothing runs VB6 code anymore, as VB.net broke compatability. that served as an early example to me in the importance of FLOSS!
• 867[05:54:13] <hantu> hahaha agree
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• 873[06:02:03] <locrian9> I'm doing a bit torrent download of the Debian iso for a 64-bit AMD Turion II Neo N54L 2.2Ghz. When I downloaded 'debian-8.6.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent', I got the download and started the installer, but I only see 'Install', 'Graphical Install', 'Advanced Options', 'Help', and 'Install with speech synthesis'. Isn't there supposed to be a '64 bit install' option?
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• 875[06:04:09] <cast> they all are 64 bit options
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• 879[06:07:22] <rjsalts> locrian9: there is a netinst image that has i386/amd64 but that's probably the only image that would offer a 64-bit option
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• 901[06:27:46] <dnssoul> here you go folks. i'm something like GNU's Stallman, but better. trust me, take it with a grain of salt, but it works. /join #ubuntu-kernel
• 902[06:29:02] <dnssoul> i don't have logs but i past the security but for untaring tar files that are small to ubuntu-security or ubuntu-kernel. its a kernel but. it has to do with G65 compiler and the tar file that makes a small file extract things in excess of 100GB. please fetch the cure from them as a courtesy i did not log my work.
• 903[06:29:05] <dnssoul> see ya
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• 918[06:37:26] <cast> markov chain perhaps?
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• 927[06:43:48] <dnssoul> in the kernel there is a .h header that is responsible for the execution of binary type files that are use for compression algorithms and things like filesystem writing structures. it is the one that when un-taring is done is marked with a 80945 code to kernel developers. in order to fix the bug that untars small files into files in excess or equal to 100GB it must be compiled with gcc for kernel rules for things that must be compiled using
• 928[06:43:48] <dnssoul> a G45 compiler. if it does not follow that rule at address 0x00 and sector 4 for a tar or tar.gz file it will expand and wreak havok. thats it. thats all it takes to fix it.
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• 932[06:50:22] <cast> !ops dnssoul == some sort of...script
• 933[06:50:23] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: cast complains about: dnssoul == some sort of...script
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• 936[06:52:04] <dnssoul> i'm not a script this is my photo replaced-url
• 937[06:53:13] <missmbob> dnssoul: do you have a debian question? are you uncertain of what this channel is for?
• 938[06:53:24] <dnssoul> i have a debian fix
• 939[06:53:27] <dnssoul> and that was it
• 940[06:53:31] <missmbob> dnssoul: it's not for rambling and covering people's screens with nonsense
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• 943[06:54:08] <dnssoul> should i ever desire to do that, i'll see a psychiatrist but in this case, it was literally factual information.
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• 1015[07:41:12] <micw> hi
• 1016[07:41:28] <micw> i tra to figure out how the "reboot rquired" notifications works
• 1017[07:41:50] <micw> i checked the script of "reboot notifier" package
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• 1019[07:42:09] <micw> seems that it simply touches /var/run/reboot-required if a new kernel is installed
• 1020[07:42:14] <micw> is that all?
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• 1022[07:43:20] <missmbob> sudo needrestart
• 1023[07:43:34] <missmbob> not just kernels. old liberies used, etc
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• 1030[07:46:30] * TriMoon wakes up to see somekind of discussion about ubuntu vs debian and smiles...
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• 1033[07:47:07] <contrapunctus> TriMoon: soon, there'll (hopefully) be touchpad troubleshooting :D
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• 1036[07:47:40] <micw> missmbob, which package is this?
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• 1038[07:48:05] <missmbob> micw: needrestart :P
• 1039[07:48:07] <micw> *gg* it's "needrestart"
• 1040[07:48:08] <micw> ;-)
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• 1042[07:49:03] <micw> can i use this non-interactive?
• 1043[07:49:52] <micw> ah, batch mode
• 1044[07:50:07] <TriMoon> i still need to adjust to eth0 becomming eno1
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• 1048[07:50:54] <TriMoon> still haven't been able to rename it to something custom though
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• 1052[07:51:58] <OtakuSenpai> guys can i hav gcc-4.9 compile libstdc++-6-dev headers?
• 1053[07:52:23] <missmbob> micw: about the same topic i wrote this which you might be interested in replaced-url
• 1054[07:53:20] <micw> missmbob, thanks
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• 1056[07:53:58] <OtakuSenpai> what is the command to find package names in dpkg ?
• 1057[07:54:04] <OtakuSenpai> the bot,i mean
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• 1060[07:55:23] <missmbob> package names based on what? a file it contains?
• 1061[07:55:34] <missmbob> ,file /bin/bash
• 1062[07:55:37] <judd> Search for /bin/bash in jessie/amd64: bash: bin/bash
• 1063[07:55:41] <missmbob> ^ for example
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• 1065[07:56:27] <TriMoon> dpkg-query ?
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• 1069[07:58:20] <OtakuSenpai> no, like the gcc package name for the libstdc++-6-dev package
• 1070[07:58:35] <OtakuSenpai> i hav currently gcc-4.9.2
• 1071[07:58:49] <OtakuSenpai> could be better if i didnt hav to use a browser
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• 1073[07:59:46] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai: apt show libstdc++-6-dev will tell you it Depends: gcc-6-base (= 6.2.1-5), libgcc-6-dev (= 6.2.1-5), libstdc++6 (>= 6.2.1-5), libc6-dev (>= 2.13-5)
• 1074[08:00:10] <OtakuSenpai> ok i didnt knew tht command
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• 1077[08:02:25] <micw> missmbob, the version from jessie-backports has "-p" option to act as nagios plugin ;-)
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• 1085[08:05:02] <TriMoon> anyone know how to bind a key (fe. ctrl-h) to "man %1" on commandline in a terminal?
• 1086[08:05:03] <OtakuSenpai> missmbob, it seems like gcc-6-base was installed when i installed libstdc++-6-dev
• 1087[08:05:32] <OtakuSenpai> could you know of a command with which i could search it up in my package list
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• 1089[08:06:02] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai: it's hard to know what you're talking about if you dont past the commands/problems you're having. i'm really not understanding
• 1090[08:06:05] <OtakuSenpai> something like dpkg --get-selections > grep foo.bar idk
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• 1092[08:06:14] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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• 1095[08:08:01] <TriMoon> OtakuSenpai, try 'dpkg-query --show <someglob>'
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• 1098[08:09:17] <TriMoon> man dpkg-query is handy also :)
• 1099[08:09:24] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
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• 1104[08:10:04] <OtakuSenpai> thts the response from aptitude build-dep gcc-6-base
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• 1106[08:10:41] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai: that binutils doesnt exist in debian
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• 1108[08:11:03] <OtakuSenpai> yes missmbob i hav deb-src of sid in my sources.list
• 1109[08:11:04] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai: did you forget to apt-get update?
• 1110[08:11:10] <OtakuSenpai> no
• 1111[08:11:16] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai: no, sid has 2.27.51.20161201-1
• 1112[08:11:19] <OtakuSenpai> just did it this morning
• 1113[08:11:38] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai: sid's version is a couple of weeks newer
• 1114[08:11:46] <OtakuSenpai> hmm
• 1115[08:11:51] <OtakuSenpai> so what should i do?
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• 1117[08:12:01] <missmbob> plus you're in the wrong plae
• 1118[08:12:05] <missmbob> place*
• 1119[08:12:07] <TriMoon> having deb-src files aint same as installing the deb version afaik
• 1120[08:12:08] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 1121[08:12:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1122[08:12:10] <OtakuSenpai> yes i know
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• 1124[08:12:17] <OtakuSenpai> :D
• 1125[08:12:22] <missmbob> so go to the place that would know...
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• 1127[08:12:50] <missmbob> it's really not funny
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• 1129[08:13:01] <GALACTICRIMINAL> is there any problem here? replaced-url
• 1130[08:13:29] <OtakuSenpai> why dont they hav debian-next on freenode...its tough to get on diff servers on an old behemoth
• 1131[08:13:33] <OtakuSenpai> ok missmbob
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• 1133[08:13:58] <Artemis3> or why not close #debian @ freenode :3
• 1134[08:14:03] <missmbob> OtakuSenpai because in 2006 debian moved from freenode to oftc as their official server
• 1135[08:14:07] <missmbob> !oftc move
• 1136[08:14:08] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
• 1137[08:14:21] <baphomet`> irc.debian.org is their official irc server.
• 1138[08:14:30] <missmbob> which is CNAME to oftc
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• 1142[08:15:46] <Artemis3> its been 10 years and this channel keeps being populated...
• 1143[08:16:03] <Artemis3> makes you wonder what the whole point was
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• 1147[08:17:19] <missmbob> freenode's philosophy was going to shit. debian thought it was best to move. old timers stand on both to help people who didnt know about the move. we're still in both
• 1148[08:17:35] <OtakuSenpai> oftc isnt as much popular as freenode is
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• 1151[08:18:13] <contrapunctus> I have a Dell Vostro 3558 and am livebooting Debian before installing (have tried the official ISO, and now the unofficial nonfree firmware ISO), but the touchpad just doesn't work =\ The notebook has Ubuntu 14.04 preinstalled, and it works in that. It does not appear in lspsci or lsusb, but shows up in /proc/bus/input/devices as (on Debian) replaced-url
• 1152[08:18:13] <contrapunctus> because the Ubuntu install has v3.13.0-61, and Debian has v3.16.0-4 . Here's the output of dmesg and lsmod on Debian - replaced-url
• 1153[08:18:24] <OtakuSenpai> also theres a hell lot of ppl in freenode like in linux,##c++,networking who are more experienced,but not on oftc
• 1154[08:19:14] <contrapunctus> whew.
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• 1170[08:25:12] <GALACTICRIMINAL> pls some help here
• 1171[08:25:20] <GALACTICRIMINAL> bluetooth seems "not connected"
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• 1179[08:29:04] <OtakuSenpai> GALACTICRIMINAL, try man systemctrl
• 1180[08:29:14] <pingfloyd> contrapunctus: what output do you get when you run synclient?
• 1181[08:29:32] <OtakuSenpai> you hav to read up the docs,maybe someone more experienced can help you with the commands
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• 1184[08:29:55] <GALACTICRIMINAL> systemctrl?
• 1185[08:30:06] <OtakuSenpai> yes
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• 1187[08:30:17] <OtakuSenpai> or systemd
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• 1190[08:30:26] <GALACTICRIMINAL> it must be systemctl
• 1191[08:30:28] <contrapunctus> wasn't that systemctl?
• 1192[08:30:40] <GALACTICRIMINAL> replaced-url
• 1193[08:30:42] <OtakuSenpai> yes my wrong
• 1194[08:30:47] <GALACTICRIMINAL> it is systemctl
• 1195[08:30:48] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: on Debian, or would you like the Ubuntu output too?
• 1196[08:31:42] <pingfloyd> on debian
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• 1199[08:32:07] <GALACTICRIMINAL> OtakuSenpai: seems okey replaced-url
• 1200[08:32:27] <GALACTICRIMINAL> bluetooth still seem "not connected"
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• 1202[08:32:56] <OtakuSenpai> look for access controls or something....but ask others too,im inexp for this
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• 1206[08:33:18] <gedas> Hello, who is working with ftp-proxy?
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• 1209[08:34:32] <contrapunctus> gedas: just ask your question :)
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• 1211[08:34:49] <gedas> I'm unable to start ftp-proxy service
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• 1213[08:35:04] <gedas> And there is no output to syslog or other log file
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• 1218[08:36:33] <pingfloyd> contrapunctus: I think your problem stems from the fact the i2c_hid modules isn't loaded.
• 1219[08:36:37] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: replaced-url
• 1220[08:36:46] <pingfloyd> contrapunctus: probably should check if it is blacklisted
• 1221[08:36:58] <pingfloyd> ubuntu has it enabled as well
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• 1227[08:40:01] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: how do I check if it's blacklisted? (searching just gives me information on how to blacklist a module)
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• 1233[08:41:50] <pingfloyd> ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/
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• 1237[08:43:14] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: no file by that name there, nor does grep -iR i2c_hid /etc/modprobe.d/ return anything...
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• 1239[08:45:52] <pingfloyd> what about under /lib/modprobe.d and /run/modprobe.d
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• 1246[08:48:27] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: nothing in the former, latter doesn't exist
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• 1249[08:49:36] <pingfloyd> can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log
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• 1260[08:57:28] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: replaced-url
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• 1272[09:00:59] <pingfloyd> contrapunctus: I wonder if this is your issue replaced-url
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• 1293[09:15:19] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: there was no /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, I created it
• 1294[09:15:29] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: how do I restart X?
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• 1296[09:16:46] <TriMoon> send a -HUP to the X process?
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• 1300[09:17:51] <contrapunctus> TriMoon: is the process name "Xorg"?
• 1301[09:18:09] <contrapunctus> so kill -s HUP `pgrep Xorg` ?
• 1302[09:18:18] <TriMoon> no idea find it with ps
• 1303[09:19:14] <TriMoon> on my machine 'ps|grep X' reveals it as '20986 823 tty7 root root 2-19:09:00 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg'
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• 1306[09:19:34] <TriMoon> so that would mean 'sudo kill -HUP 20986'
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• 1308[09:19:44] <TriMoon> in your case it might be different
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• 1313[09:21:00] <n4dir> contrapunctus: i didn't follow the discussion closely, as i got no clue of such. Did you run into editing 50-synaptics.conf yet?
• 1314[09:21:27] <contrapunctus> n4dir: 70-synaptics.conf, in this case
• 1315[09:21:28] <TriMoon> he was asking how to restart X
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• 1317[09:21:54] <n4dir> and you did edit it?
• 1318[09:21:56] <contrapunctus> n4dir: I just did replaced-url
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• 1320[09:23:59] <n4dir> shit knows if it matters to use 70- or 50-synaptics.
• 1321[09:24:45] <contrapunctus> oh, and... pingfloyd - restarted X, no change x-P
• 1322[09:26:32] <n4dir> in my example it says Identifier "toucpad" instead of Identifier "touchpad catchall" ; and, like said, my file starts with 50
• 1323[09:27:30] <pingfloyd> n4dir: the idea is to make sure only one instance of the module gets loaded
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• 1325[09:27:47] <pingfloyd> contrapunctus: now look against an Xorg.0.log
• 1326[09:28:20] <pingfloyd> contrapunctus: "logging out" of X should get it to restart btw
• 1327[09:28:39] <awal1> Any virtual keyboard with arabic language support?
• 1328[09:28:41] <pingfloyd> if in doubt check the timestamp on the log file
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• 1330[09:29:18] <awal1> Or, which packages I need to install for get onboard, florance, xvkbd display arabic keymap?
• 1331[09:29:28] <TriMoon> he might also try checking his '~/.xsession-errors' file
• 1332[09:29:38] <awal1> apt-cache/aptitude search doesn't return anything relevant
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• 1334[09:29:51] <awal1> apt-cache/aptitude search arbic doesn't return anything relevant
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• 1337[09:30:50] <TriMoon> try adding a keyboard layout using your menus?
• 1338[09:31:07] <awal1> I have to use google keyboard all the time and copy/paste if I want a few arabic words :( I would like avoid that, almost when ofline (no internet)
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• 1341[09:31:37] <awal1> TriMoon: talking with me?
• 1342[09:31:52] <TriMoon> yes
• 1343[09:32:02] <awal1> what you mean by menus?
• 1344[09:32:31] <awal1> keyboard/layout stuff in gnome system setting or so?
• 1345[09:32:37] <TriMoon> yes
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• 1347[09:33:00] <awal1> I don't use a DE; I only run openbox & fvwm WM
• 1348[09:33:08] <awal1> WM's *
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• 1351[09:33:17] <TriMoon> 1 sec
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• 1359[09:34:04] <sti2d> io
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• 1361[09:34:31] <TriMoon> This search: replaced-url
• 1362[09:34:35] <TriMoon> lead to: replaced-url
• 1363[09:34:46] <TriMoon> maybe that wll help
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• 1368[09:35:27] <TriMoon> unless you just want to be able to use special chars without changing your keyboard layout
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• 1370[09:35:44] <TriMoon> in that case i suggest using a "charmap" program
• 1371[09:36:07] <TriMoon> like fe. GNOME Characters
• 1372[09:36:19] <awal1> TriMoon, I already seen that, but thanks. And yeah, I only want use special chars sometimes, without changing my default keyboard layout
• 1373[09:36:23] <TriMoon> other WM's must have similar tools
• 1374[09:36:48] <awal1> ok, let me check out charmap stuff. thanks
• 1375[09:37:08] <TriMoon> another way is: using direct unicodes to compose the char
• 1376[09:37:28] <TriMoon> you can find how to insert unicodes on your keyboard by websites also
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• 1379[09:38:49] <awal1> ok, thanks for the tips. For now, i'll install 'gucharmap' and check what it can do
• 1380[09:39:18] <TriMoon> see: replaced-url
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• 1382[09:40:21] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: earlier, I saw three of those "Applying InputClass" lines - replaced-url
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• 1387[09:43:20] <awal1> TriMoon, ok. well, I know how to reproduce somet text symbols via unicode codes yeah. I'll investigate a bit more and find out if arabic chars are reproducible ;)
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• 1389[09:43:36] <awal1> I don't think so, but I'll try :P
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• 1392[09:44:37] <TriMoon> all chars are...
• 1393[09:44:58] <awal1> good
• 1394[09:45:03] <TriMoon> if they can be displayed on your computer they can be composed :)
• 1395[09:45:22] <TriMoon> you just need to find out the unicode :)
• 1396[09:45:31] <TriMoon> but anyway hf and gl
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• 1401[09:46:34] <TriMoon> contrapunctus, which WM you use and which config file(s) it uses? maybe your setting is added to what it is using by default
• 1402[09:46:57] <contrapunctus> TriMoon: ...oh
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• 1404[09:47:12] <contrapunctus> TriMoon: this is Cinnamon, don't know about the rest
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• 1406[09:47:48] <TriMoon> i mean your DM sorry
• 1407[09:47:56] <TriMoon> like lxdm?
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• 1409[09:48:21] <contrapunctus> lightdm
• 1410[09:48:27] <TriMoon> my fresh debian 8 also uses cinnamon
• 1411[09:48:41] <TriMoon> yea lightdm is it
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• 1451[09:59:49] <julius> hi
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• 1453[10:00:28] <julius> ive installed apt-cacher but im not really sure how to integrate /etc/apt-cacher/apache.conf with apache2.....where should i put the content of that file or the content?
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• 1456[10:01:00] <TriMoon> contrapunctus, did you read replaced-url
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• 1461[10:02:08] <TriMoon> julius, config files for apache are under the /etc/apache dir, you could make a symlink
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• 1463[10:03:08] <awal1> TriMoon: 'gucharmap' does what i need. Thanks for the trick :)
• 1464[10:03:13] <julius> yes they are, but since apache splits up the config into several files i dont know where to link to...i mean which dir
• 1465[10:03:23] <TriMoon> i dont have apache installed atm, but IIRC the configs are inside under conf-available and conf-enabled or similar
• 1466[10:03:52] <TriMoon> i sugges using 2 symlinks
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• 1468[10:04:05] <TriMoon> one inside the available dir
• 1469[10:04:27] <TriMoon> and then another inside the enabled dir that points to the one inside the available
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• 1471[10:04:41] <contrapunctus> TriMoon: I have
• 1472[10:04:44] <julius> tried the conf-enabled dir, no luck
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• 1474[10:05:14] <TriMoon> no luck? did you restart apache to load that config?
• 1475[10:05:32] <TriMoon> is it readable by the apache process
• 1476[10:05:40] <julius> yes
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• 1478[10:05:57] <julius> one second about the read
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• 1480[10:06:53] <contrapunctus> TriMoon: it's not a lot of help, I'm afraid :\
• 1481[10:07:14] <TriMoon> if you hit access problems might be better to cp the 'apache.conf' file inside the available dir
• 1482[10:07:36] <TriMoon> ofcourse RENAMED to apt-cacher.conf
• 1483[10:08:05] <contrapunctus> pingfloyd: any ideas?
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• 1485[10:08:57] <julius> ah...now apache offers me to open the adress .../apt-cacher/. it says: text/x-perl-Typ so i need some kind of perl apache package?
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• 1487[10:09:04] <TriMoon> contrapunctus, i found settings inside '/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf' that show what you complain about
• 1488[10:09:13] <contrapunctus> o.o
• 1489[10:09:39] <TriMoon> julius, wth....whats the content of that .conf file?
• 1490[10:09:51] <TriMoon> it should not be any language like perl
• 1491[10:10:05] <julius> a alias and a directorymatch
• 1492[10:10:08] <TriMoon> it should be directives understood by apache
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• 1494[10:10:17] <TriMoon> hmmm
• 1495[10:10:28] <julius> ah wait: Alias /apt-cacher /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-cgi.pl
• 1496[10:10:36] <julius> theres a .pl at the end
• 1497[10:10:37] <TriMoon> aha there ya go
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• 1499[10:11:01] <TriMoon> so it redirects to a CGI coded in perl :)
• 1500[10:11:13] <TriMoon> to run it you need perl ofcourse ;)
• 1501[10:11:51] <TriMoon> also beware that you need to enable CGI execution there
• 1502[10:12:03] <jelly> julius: this apt-cacher thing ought to have a README.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc/apt-cacher
• 1503[10:12:08] <contrapunctus> TriMoon: but I think I'm not using libinput? (because synclient functions as expected?)
• 1504[10:12:16] <TriMoon> else it will just hand the file to the browser instead of run it on your server
• 1505[10:12:33] <contrapunctus> although it *is* installed - libinput5:amd64 0.6.0+dfsg-2
• 1506[10:13:32] <TriMoon> contrapunctus, i mean i saw "libinput touchpad catchall" inside /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf
• 1507[10:14:14] <TriMoon> so imho those config directives are added to your config inside /etx/X11/.....
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• 1512[10:15:31] <julius> jelly, it does...no information about needed software in it or how to set it up
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• 1516[10:16:51] <contrapunctus> TriMoon: but I don't have a /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/40-libinput.conf ...unless I misunderstand you
• 1517[10:17:16] <TriMoon> that readme is for debian specifics.
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• 1519[10:17:28] <TriMoon> i suppose there are other readme's in that dir
• 1520[10:17:56] <contrapunctus> there's no other file there (I just created the directory myself)
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• 1522[10:18:15] <TriMoon> hmmm
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• 1525[10:19:33] <TriMoon> contrapunctus, did you read the last part of the page replaced-url
• 1526[10:19:53] <TriMoon> about To reenable a disabled touchpad in gnome on stretch:
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• 1529[10:20:40] <contrapunctus> "No such scheme 'org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad"
• 1530[10:20:43] <contrapunctus> * schema
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• 1532[10:21:02] <TriMoon> hmm ok then im blank
• 1533[10:21:06] <TriMoon> sorry
• 1534[10:21:07] <contrapunctus> Q_Q
• 1535[10:21:10] <contrapunctus> thanks
• 1536[10:21:27] <TriMoon> its hard to help with something if you dont use it yourself agree?
• 1537[10:21:35] <julius> jelly, TriMoon ok i got it. apt-cacher runs on its own port. to make it a little more experimental the authors thought that adding lines like: #allow-hosts = * into the config file is not the default behavior like in other sotware packages but must be explicitely uncommented
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• 1540[10:22:21] <julius> jelly, is there a possibility to output some install help when installing the package?
• 1541[10:22:31] <TriMoon> so your problem is solved now julius ?
• 1542[10:23:31] <TriMoon> julius, that kind of help is installed under the doc tree, because if it would popup on install automated installs would stall
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• 1545[10:24:57] <TriMoon> thats why i personally love that debian packages require to add man pages etc :)
• 1546[10:24:59] <julius> TriMoon, in this case i dont think it is
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• 1549[10:25:40] <julius> to complicate things more there are apt-cacher helps on the web that talk about about a version that does not use its own port but runs behind apache
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• 1552[10:26:12] <julius> and another newer one thats called -ng that does use this port. maybe they remove the -ng in debian
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• 1555[10:26:35] <jelly> no, apt-cacher-ng is a different piece of software
• 1556[10:26:42] <jelly> ,v apt-cacher-ng
• 1557[10:26:43] <judd> Package: apt-cacher-ng on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.11-2; wheezy-backports: 0.8.0-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.8.0-3; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 0.9.1-1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports: 0.9.1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2-1; sid: 2-1
• 1558[10:26:45] <jelly> ,v apt-cacher
• 1559[10:26:46] <judd> Package: apt-cacher on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7.6; jessie: 1.7.10; sid: 1.7.13; stretch: 1.7.13
• 1560[10:26:56] <TriMoon> well how-to's are responsibility of the package maintainers aint it?
• 1561[10:27:07] <julius> then the apt-cacher guys are using the same port as -ng
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• 1564[10:27:30] <jelly> that makes some sense
• 1565[10:27:53] <jelly> I haven't used any, keep my own full mirror instead
• 1566[10:28:14] <julius> jelly, i somehow knew that you would say that ;)
• 1567[10:29:32] <julius> would it be possible to send the root user a mail after a package installation?
• 1568[10:29:44] <julius> i mean, would that be debian conform
• 1569[10:30:25] <jasabella> just realised docker.io isn't in testing! hmmm
• 1570[10:31:12] <dokma> Seems like html2text is failing to read the encoding of html. Note the difference:
• 1571[10:31:14] <dokma> wget --quiet -O- replaced-url
• 1572[10:31:24] <dokma> wget --quiet -O- replaced-url
• 1573[10:31:24] <TriMoon> julius, IIRC there should be an APT:: option with that effect
• 1574[10:31:40] <dokma> In the second case I get the correctly encoded output.
• 1575[10:32:00] <dokma> But the HTML does specify UTF-8 as it's encoding so why do I need to manually specify it to html2text?
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• 1577[10:33:12] <julius> dokma, just to point it out: that does not look like a "good" domain for testing
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• 1581[10:34:09] <dokma> julius: how so?
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• 1583[10:34:22] <jelly> dokma: what's html2text anyway, how come you're not using lynx -dump?
• 1584[10:34:51] <jelly> (or elinks or links or w3m or some other terminal-based web browser)
• 1585[10:34:52] <dokma> jelly: apt-get install html2text
• 1586[10:35:21] <dokma> I'm not browsing this stuff. I'm downloading and extracting text from the entire web site.
• 1587[10:35:24] <jelly> html2text was written because the author wasn't happy with the output of "lynx -dump" and so he wrote something better.
• 1588[10:35:32] <TriMoon> dokma encoding directive inside the html is for rendering by a browser, file encoding is a different thing when accessing the file itself
• 1589[10:35:34] <n4dir> dokma: but that what lynx -dump does
• 1590[10:35:51] <jelly> or links2 or elinks or :-)
• 1591[10:35:59] <dokma> TriMoon: apparently html2text pays attention to the meta specification within the HTML
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• 1593[10:36:24] <dokma> jelly: let me try all those alternatives
• 1594[10:36:31] <TriMoon> but how can it apply encoding AFTER reading the content?
• 1595[10:36:37] <jelly> dokma: I mean, did you even try the usual suspects
• 1596[10:36:51] <dokma> jelly: can you elaborate on that
• 1597[10:37:03] <jelly> text-based browsers I mentions
• 1598[10:37:06] <dokma> TriMoon: don't know the details...
• 1599[10:37:06] <jasabella> will docker.io be in stretch in time for the freeze?
• 1600[10:37:09] <jelly> mentioned*
• 1601[10:37:21] <jelly> ,v docker.io
• 1602[10:37:22] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.11.2~ds1-6
• 1603[10:37:24] <dokma> jelly: how are text based browsers relevant to my question?
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• 1605[10:37:32] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 1606[10:37:42] <dokma> jelly: can they convert HTML to text on the fly?
• 1607[10:37:48] <jelly> dokma: they all have a -dump option inherited from the old lynx
• 1608[10:37:53] <dokma> jelly: through pipe input rather...
• 1609[10:38:18] <dokma> let me try that
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• 1612[10:39:15] <TriMoon> dokma, let me put it this way: If a program needs to parse the content of a file it first has to be able to decode the binary info correctly. (all files are binary numbers for a computer)
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• 1618[10:40:31] <jasabella> freeze is less than a month away right?
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• 1648[10:50:58] <dokma> jelly: any idea why w3m dumps text when 23m -dump file.html but dumps html when wget -O- url | w3m -dump
• 1649[10:51:09] <dokma> s/23m/w3m/
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• 1652[10:54:33] <Drzacek> Hi. How can I set MSGMNB value in debian?
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• 1657[10:56:41] <julius> where can i change when unattended-upgrades run?
• 1658[10:56:50] <jelly> dokma: why do you wget and pipe instead of doing the download with the browser?
• 1659[10:57:14] <julius> its not in : /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades and roots crontab contains also no lines
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• 1661[10:58:36] <jelly> dokma: w3m -dump replaced-url
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• 1663[10:59:44] <jelly> Drzacek: what's this "MSGMNB" translate to, a sysctl setting?
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• 1666[11:01:04] <Drzacek> jelly, maximum size of single message queue, shown for example in /proc/sys/kernel/msgmnb
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• 1668[11:01:39] <Drzacek> From what I read in google (not much clear info, at least not clear enough for newbie like me), it might require rebuilding kernel.
• 1669[11:02:08] <Drzacek> If so, then thats bummer. I was hoping someone fiddled with this already and know some magical way around this
• 1670[11:02:24] <jelly> Drzacek: everything in /proc/sys is tunable via sysctl tool and its config, so, you can create a custom file like /etc/sysctl.d/10-local.conf and put "kernel.msgmnb = 99999" in there
• 1671[11:03:06] <jelly> that will set it at next boot
• 1672[11:03:24] <Drzacek> great
• 1673[11:03:35] <dokma> jelly: I wget to get the whole site
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• 1675[11:04:00] <dokma> can w3m download the entire web site?
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• 1677[11:04:16] <jelly> probably not
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• 1679[11:04:32] <Drzacek> trying now
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• 1681[11:05:18] <jelly> output of wget -O- "entire web site" is not going to be a valid html anyway, so you may as well download each file, them dump and analyze it
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• 1683[11:05:56] <jelly> each file separately*, dump this temporary file and analyze it further
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• 1699[11:13:02] <Drzacek> jelly, thanks, that worked :)
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• 1712[11:19:18] <Drzacek> Is there a way to disable Ctrl+Alt+Fx hotkeys, at least for one window?
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• 1732[11:29:34] <sharry1> jh
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• 1739[11:36:47] <jelly> Dracunos: why would you do that
• 1740[11:36:54] <jelly> Drzacek: why would you do that
• 1741[11:37:12] <jelly> !goal
• 1742[11:37:13] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
• 1743[11:37:56] <Drzacek> jelly, I have a program that needs this key combinations
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• 1754[11:40:04] <angor> Drzacek: replaced-url
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• 1758[11:40:21] <angor> are you banned in google?
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• 1765[11:42:27] <Drzacek> thanks
• 1766[11:42:31] <Drzacek> no, why?
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• 1769[11:43:44] <angor> Drzacek: why you didn't type "linux disable ctrl-alt-f1" in google?
• 1770[11:44:00] <angor> only reason is that you're banned :D
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• 1775[11:45:32] <angor> Drzacek: never mind, this is russian joke :)
• 1776[11:47:06] <Drzacek> Well, seems obvious now, I was looking earlier for "disable hotkeys debian/kde", was able to disable all possible hotkeys for specific application, beside ctrl+alt+function_keys, so I assumed this would require something trickier, so I went here
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• 1778[11:47:28] <Drzacek> still not the perfect solution, because it is global change now
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• 1780[11:48:09] <Drzacek> but I can live with that, thanks
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• 1928[13:09:40] <amidjhg> kloeri aka Bryan Ostergaard is a known pedophile and child abuser. Please report any contact to ircgangste.rs #tclmafia
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• 1932[13:14:43] <LeandroLuiz> who is Bryan and why people hate him?
• 1933[13:14:58] <sonOfRa> not people, spambots.
• 1934[13:15:32] <sonOfRa> Probably because he annoyed the person that runs the spambots in some way, and this is their way of getting "revenge"
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• 1950[13:23:11] <Shadur> LeandroLuiz: The spambots are courtesy of Encyclopedia Dramatica. They're basically a bunch of assholes who believe in nothing so much as their right to be assholes and be disruptive wherever the signal to noise ratio is too high for their tastes. Bryan is one of the IRCops on freenode, and he banned a bunch of them for being disruptive little shitweasels with no redeeming value. They took it poorly.
• 1951[13:23:56] <LeandroLuiz> Shadur: I see..
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• 1953[13:24:10] <LeandroLuiz> Shadur: just another day in paradise..
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• 1955[13:24:51] <Shadur> You can look up their site if you want, but I recommend a browser with stringent noscript and blocking running, because deliberately infecting people with malware is another thing they think is funny.
• 1956[13:25:23] <LeandroLuiz> Shadur: ok.. thanks for the warning and clarification..
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• 1959[13:26:38] <TriMoon|afk> Browsing with Lynx still worthy today it seems? lols
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• 1965[13:30:11] <CryptoSiD> Hi guys, I'm having an issue with apt... i added openvpn-aptrepo.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d with deb replaced-url
• 1966[13:30:40] <CryptoSiD> how can i make sure it'll use the openvpn repo instead of my source in sources.list?
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• 1978[13:33:57] <jelly> CryptoSiD: run "apt-get update", then pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy packageyouwanttoinstall". In fact,
• 1979[13:33:59] <jelly> !bat
• 1980[13:34:00] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1982[13:35:58] <CryptoSiD> haaa i get the problem now thanks
• 1983[13:36:38] <CryptoSiD> not sure
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• 1985[13:37:12] <CryptoSiD> replaced-url
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• 1991[13:39:28] <CryptoSiD> it work fine on ubuntu
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• 1994[13:41:40] <CryptoSiD> even if i change the priority to 1, it keep using the sources.list repo
• 1995[13:42:26] <CryptoSiD> ok i get it
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• 1997[13:42:44] <CryptoSiD> priority need to be higher
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• 2010[13:48:40] <jelly> CryptoSiD: you seem to have stretch installed and pinned (or APT::Default-Release set)
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• 2012[13:49:06] <CryptoSiD> yes indeed, there is no release for strech on the openvpn repo
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• 2074[14:32:26] <dokma> jelly: even w3m destroys encoding when invoked via php
• 2075[14:32:38] <dokma> when I invoke the stuff manually from the command line all is swell
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• 2077[14:33:06] <dokma> so I suspect that some environment difference causes it
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• 2082[14:34:19] <rafalcpp> Apparently gcc is broken for years in Debian, when you try to build -static. replaced-url
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• 2084[14:36:11] <petn-randall> ... the bug report states that it's not a gcc bug and it was closed as invalid.
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• 2089[14:37:52] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: You did read the bug report you linked, right?
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• 2091[14:38:30] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: yeap, the bug is in the way distro's way of building thread library
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• 2095[14:39:32] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: as #gcc informed me, it works fine on e.g. Fedora, and the fault is in distribution according to them. I guess debian doesn't build a version of pthread lib that works as static
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• 2097[14:40:11] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: the last comment in the bug report explains why and offers a solution.
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• 2100[14:41:42] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: yeap. I'm asking why Debian can't be the "some distibutions" that work, as in "some Linux distributions libpthread.a has all the objects linked together with ld -r and therefore this will just work"
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• 2103[14:42:26] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Did you check if there is such bug report in Debian?
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• 2111[14:46:25] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: can't find any
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• 2116[14:48:07] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Then the answer to your initial question is "because no user ever reported this as a problem".
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• 2241[15:53:46] <kifkaz> hi.
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• 2243[15:54:01] <kifkaz> Can anyone tell me how to minimze all windows? I am new
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• 2245[15:54:07] <kifkaz> DE: GNOME
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• 2248[15:55:04] <jhutchins> kifkaz: Sometimes Ctrl-Alt-d works.
• 2249[15:55:27] <kifkaz> It's not work
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• 2252[15:56:08] <kifkaz> I am on firefox and I can't minimze it
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• 2257[15:59:06] <kifkaz> jhutchins: do you have an answer please?
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• 2266[16:01:44] <zykotick9> kifkaz: if firefox is in "full screen" F11 makes in regular again...
• 2267[16:01:47] <mingdao> kifkaz: can you right-click on the top of the window and select minimize from the window?
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• 2269[16:02:22] <mingdao> kifkaz: just guessing that your windows only have an X to close
• 2270[16:02:22] <kifkaz> mingdao: I don't have minimize button. zykotick9: firefox is not in a full screen.
• 2271[16:02:33] <mingdao> kifkaz: did you try what I suggested yet?
• 2272[16:03:02] <kifkaz> mingdao: I have only an X to close
• 2273[16:03:23] <mingdao> kifkaz: read my instructions again
• 2274[16:03:50] <mingdao> kifkaz: let me correct my Engrish
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• 2276[16:03:55] <mingdao> kifkaz: right-click on the top of the window and select minimize from the menu
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• 2278[16:04:13] <kifkaz> I don't have minimize.
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• 2280[16:04:44] <kifkaz> Firefox ESR when I click I only have option to Quit. On firefox window only X button
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• 2283[16:06:22] <mingdao> I have some Gnome3 systems where only the X, but the menu I mentioned has "Minimize, Unmaximize, Move, Always on Visible Workspace, Move to Workspace Down, and Close"
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• 2285[16:06:35] <kifkaz> I don't have it
• 2286[16:06:47] <mingdao> plus "Resize and Always on Top" are greyed out
• 2287[16:06:55] <kifkaz> uname -a what gives you?
• 2288[16:07:09] <kifkaz> what debian version is yours?
• 2289[16:07:22] <mingdao> Debian 8 jessie
• 2290[16:07:44] <mingdao> kifkaz: these Gnome3 systems are Debian 8, Funtoo, and CentOS 7
• 2291[16:07:44] <kifkaz> on the command what it give you
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• 2293[16:08:02] <jhutchins> kifkaz: In my experience, hotkeys are not consistent.
• 2294[16:08:06] <mingdao> kifkaz: Debian is installed on a laptop that is turned off atm
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• 2297[16:08:37] <kifkaz> I don't even have sudo
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• 2301[16:09:20] <mingdao> kifkaz: sudo is not a requirement
• 2302[16:09:26] <mingdao> su - works great
• 2303[16:09:56] <mingdao> at least it has worked great for 13 years for me
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• 2305[16:10:01] <mingdao> caveat emptor
• 2306[16:10:44] <kifkaz> i dont have minimize button :(
• 2307[16:11:04] <mingdao> me neither
• 2308[16:11:30] <mingdao> let me boot Debian and see if I do there
• 2309[16:12:41] <mingdao> yes, now in Debian and no - or square
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• 2311[16:12:55] <mingdao> but I have the menu options mentioned when I right-click on the top bar
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• 2313[16:13:10] <kifkaz> mingdao: what did you say?
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• 2318[16:15:52] <jhutchins> kifkaz: You're right, you don't have a minimize button. Hot keys are not implemented in any standard way. You can look in the Gnome settings for keyboard shortcuts and see if anything is configured or enabled for minimize.
• 2319[16:16:21] <jhutchins> kifkaz: THIS IS NOT WINDOWS.
• 2320[16:16:25] <n4dir> gnome-tweak-tool probably isn't possible anymore?
• 2321[16:16:48] <kifkaz> jhutchins: thanks
• 2322[16:16:56] <kifkaz> i;ll check it out
• 2323[16:16:58] <mingdao> jhutchins: I don't think he wants a hotkey. I think he wants the hash and square as well as x in his window decorations.
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• 2327[16:18:46] <mingdao> jhutchins: so that you simply click with the mouse on the one you desire...let me show you a screenshot
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• 2330[16:19:48] <mingdao> replaced-url
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• 2333[16:20:24] <mingdao> notice the window decoration at the top has a hash (minimize function), a square (maximize), and a x (close)
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• 2336[16:20:34] <mingdao> kifkaz: is this what you are wanting?
• 2337[16:21:08] <kifkaz> Yes please
• 2338[16:21:30] <jhutchins> kifkaz: Is it only firefox that's missing those?
• 2339[16:21:38] <kifkaz> No
• 2340[16:21:47] <kifkaz> It's firefox and terminal
• 2341[16:22:07] <jhutchins> kifkaz: Anything else? Try some things randomly.
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• 2343[16:22:59] <mingdao> Notice when I right-click the decoration and have this menu replaced-url
• 2344[16:23:05] <kifkaz> Also klonkide. I believe it's all windows
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• 2347[16:23:51] <mingdao> jhutchins: for me it's every app I open in Gnome
• 2348[16:23:54] <kifkaz> mingdao: @headache haha
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• 2350[16:24:26] <mingdao> if you have to get this laptop working with a Linux distro you'd understand the hostname
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• 2353[16:25:09] <mingdao> jhutchins: a couple of weeks ago after searching for some time I edited, I believe, some file of CSS
• 2354[16:25:15] <mingdao> which changed nothing
• 2355[16:25:35] <mingdao> it doesn't stop me from getting work done, though it is annoying
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• 2361[16:26:05] <kifkaz> but the specs are new
• 2362[16:26:51] <mingdao> which specs?
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• 2364[16:27:15] <kifkaz> yours.. The cpu is new
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• 2366[16:27:46] <mingdao> not really
• 2367[16:27:57] <mingdao> it's a Haswell i7
• 2368[16:27:57] <kifkaz> maybe 2 years ago
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• 2370[16:28:04] <kifkaz> but its still do the job
• 2371[16:28:11] <kifkaz> i have oldest 4710hq
• 2372[16:28:12] <mingdao> does a good job in fact
• 2373[16:28:21] <jhutchins> Hardare really shouldn't have anything to do with it. It sounds like an issue with gnome, possibly an option/setting.
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• 2375[16:28:46] <jhutchins> I've never really run gnome. I haven't even installed it in over ten years.
• 2376[16:28:49] <mingdao> jhutchins: I think so. And after looking, I was testing something that came in a Funtoo bug report, which was scrollbar placement.
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• 2378[16:29:04] <mingdao> jhutchins: So it wasn't for this; and the file was .config/gtk-2.0/gtk.css
• 2379[16:29:22] <mingdao> I'm not a web dev so didn't particularly care for editing CSS to do with a DE. :D
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• 2381[16:30:34] <kifkaz> I am not web developer either
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• 2383[16:31:16] <c-c> you can make desktop apps using html and css, too
• 2384[16:31:35] <fred1807> how to I set a static config for eth0 in dhpcd.conf but still be able to connect to autometic dhcp router, in case I plug it to some other router, where this static config is not availabe?
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• 2388[16:33:13] <fred1807> or better yet, try dhcp and fallback to static
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• 2390[16:33:52] <kifkaz> nice
• 2391[16:34:27] <jhutchins> My, google's handy. gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout ":minimize,maximize,close"
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• 2394[16:35:22] <kifkaz> mingdao: can i pm you
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• 2396[16:35:57] <jhutchins> Also gnome-tweak-tool
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• 2399[16:36:19] <kifkaz> I solved it
• 2400[16:36:29] <kifkaz> jhutchins: that's what i did..
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• 2414[16:41:29] <jelly> fred1807: don't. Instead, set up your dhcp server to always give you the same ip.
• 2415[16:42:06] <jelly> s/you/your machine, with well defined MAC address/
• 2416[16:42:16] <fred1807> problem is this did not worked, the server is pfsense and the computer dont request the dhcpoffer
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• 2418[16:42:47] <BananaJoe> Hi. I have a freshly installed Debian Jessie with Xfce and run into two issues:
• 2419[16:42:51] <jelly> fred1807: stop any dhcp clients, find their cache and clean it?
• 2420[16:43:20] <BananaJoe> 1. I don't have sound. I've installed pulseaudio and its plugins, but HDMI sound doesn't work. My audio jack works well.
• 2421[16:43:22] <petn-randall> fred1807: If you don't get the static IP address when unplugging and plugging back in, you have to check the config in pfsense.
• 2422[16:43:51] <BananaJoe> 2. I have some white boxes with a red X inside them on some start menu items. The Tango icon pack is installed, but misses icons I think.
• 2423[16:44:09] <mingdao> kifkaz: yes, sorry, was off at b'fast
• 2424[16:44:10] <fred1807> the subnet mask is 255.255.0.0 do I need to set this on dhcpcd.conf if I am going static?
• 2425[16:44:24] <kifkaz> mingdao: i solved it!
• 2426[16:44:41] <mingdao> c-c: just meant I have no experience with those languages
• 2427[16:44:51] <jelly> fred1807: you should get all the relevant settings from the dhcp server
• 2428[16:44:52] <petn-randall> BananaJoe: Does switching the audio sink to HDMI work?
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• 2430[16:45:03] <mingdao> kifkaz: how?
• 2431[16:45:05] <jelly> that includes netmask for that segment
• 2432[16:45:13] <BananaJoe> petn-randall: no
• 2433[16:45:36] <kifkaz> mingdao: gnome-tweak-tool
• 2434[16:45:48] <petn-randall> fred1807: Stop trying to hammer a screw into the wall. Either use static config, or set the DHCP server to offer static leases. But configuring dhclient statically doesn't make sense.
• 2435[16:46:04] <BananaJoe> I've selected "Playback: Internal Audio Digital Stero (HDMI) (PulseAudio Mixer)"
• 2436[16:46:08] <BananaJoe> Doesn't work
• 2437[16:46:17] <fred1807> petn-randall: where do I config static, other than dhcpcd.conf?
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• 2439[16:46:37] <petn-randall> fred1807: network-manager and ifupdown can both be used to configure static interfaces.
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• 2442[16:47:13] <fred1807> ok, so in Debian Jessy, (command line only, headless machine) do I need to start network-manager?
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• 2444[16:47:28] <BananaJoe> None of the entries works, and everything is unmuted and at 100%
• 2445[16:47:29] <petn-randall> fred1807: I offered an alternative.
• 2446[16:47:49] <petn-randall> BananaJoe: But the same setup works in a different OS?
• 2447[16:48:01] <fred1807> "# For static IP, consult /etc/dhcpcd.conf and 'man dhcpcd.conf'."
• 2448[16:48:19] <BananaJoe> petn-randall: I haven't tested other OSes, I only use Debian, but it works in other DEs
• 2449[16:48:20] <zykotick9> fred1807: replaced-url
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• 2455[16:49:15] <kifkaz> BananaJoe: please give the output of amixer on pastebin
• 2456[16:49:32] <mingdao> kifkaz: Tweaks > Windows > Titlebar Buttons to add Maximize and Minimize buttons
• 2457[16:49:34] <BananaJoe> amixer? Command not found
• 2458[16:49:45] <mingdao> for posterity sake, as well as grep, awk, etc :D
• 2459[16:49:54] <jhutchins> fred1807: I know dhclient.conf allows a static fallback, not sure about dhcpcd.
• 2460[16:50:00] <kifkaz> BananaJoe: install i
• 2461[16:50:05] <kifkaz> install it*
• 2462[16:50:15] <jhutchins> fred1807: Another alternative would be to set a static adddress for eth0:1.
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• 2465[16:50:30] <BananaJoe> kifkaz: Can you provide me the package name? There's no package called amixer in the repos :)
• 2466[16:50:51] <BananaJoe> Or did you mean alsamixer
• 2467[16:50:52] <kifkaz> i installed debian and i have it
• 2468[16:51:00] <kifkaz> the program amixer..
• 2469[16:51:14] <BananaJoe> E: Paket amixer kann nicht gefunden werden.
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• 2471[16:51:23] <BananaJoe> There's no amixer here
• 2472[16:51:33] <jhutchins> BananaJoe: amixer is part of alsa-utils.
• 2473[16:51:41] <kifkaz> jhutchins: how do you know
• 2474[16:51:44] <BananaJoe> Oh ... next time please tell me that :D
• 2475[16:52:32] <kifkaz> you got amixer now?
• 2476[16:52:43] <BananaJoe> Yup
• 2477[16:52:47] <BananaJoe> Here's the output: replaced-url
• 2478[16:53:25] <jhutchins> kifkaz: I has mad skillz.
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• 2480[16:53:41] <jhutchins> kifkaz: Plus I can do dpkg -S `which amixer`
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• 2485[16:54:55] <kifkaz> you want audio to hdmi output?
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• 2487[16:55:00] <BananaJoe> Yes
• 2488[16:55:07] <kifkaz> try amixer cset numid=3 2
• 2489[16:55:25] <jhutchins> kifkaz: If you didn't have it installed, you could find it with apt-file (which you have to install).
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• 2492[16:55:53] <BananaJoe> kifkaz: still no sound
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• 2494[16:56:19] <kifkaz> jhutchins: i don't have apt-file and dpkg -S 'which amixer' don't give alsa-utils
• 2495[16:56:39] <kifkaz> try reboot?
• 2496[16:56:50] <BananaJoe> Oh, true. brb
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• 2505[16:59:00] <BananaJoe> kifkaz: no sound
• 2506[16:59:07] <kifkaz> hmm
• 2507[17:00:02] <zykotick9> kifkaz: <sidenote> ' and ` are different
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• 2509[17:00:22] <kifkaz> BananaJoe: do you hear something? aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
• 2510[17:00:36] <kifkaz> also make sure there is volume on the screen..
• 2511[17:00:52] <BananaJoe> There is volume, and no sound here
• 2512[17:00:59] <BananaJoe> I hear nothing
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• 2515[17:01:39] <kifkaz> hmm
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• 2518[17:02:30] <kifkaz> Can you read replaced-url
• 2519[17:02:46] <BananaJoe> I can
• 2520[17:02:51] <kifkaz> dooooooooooo it
• 2521[17:03:10] <BananaJoe> :P
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• 2524[17:03:46] <kifkaz> also
• 2525[17:03:48] <kifkaz> before that
• 2526[17:03:50] <BananaJoe> I will, thanks. Any solution for my second issue?
• 2527[17:03:51] <kifkaz> BananaJoe: before that
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• 2529[17:04:01] <kifkaz> does you get output from aplay -l ?
• 2530[17:04:05] <jhutchins> kifkaz: You can also run which amxer separately then do dpkg -S /usr/bin/amixer
• 2531[17:04:21] <kifkaz> jhutchins: thanks
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• 2533[17:04:24] <mtn> BananaJoe: do you have pulseaudio installed?
• 2534[17:04:38] <yokisuci> does someone know if it's posible to disable keycap picture insert mode and that ISO *** mode what you turn on with CTRL + SHIFT in URXVT? :/
• 2535[17:04:43] <BananaJoe> replaced-url
• 2536[17:04:49] <mtn> BananaJoe: if so, Use pavucontrol. Check sound levels and devices/profiles in Output and Configuration tabs.
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• 2539[17:05:32] <Ooze> I recently rebooted and noticed a lot of newly freed space on one of my drives -- I'm trying to think what may have caused this...
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• 2541[17:05:57] <BananaJoe> Ooze: /tmp cleaned up? :)
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• 2544[17:06:00] <Ooze> I recently ran some de-duplication Windows software on my SMB network drives, hadn't rebooted the host until now.
• 2545[17:06:05] <jelly> Ooze: is it a mount point where logs are stored?
• 2546[17:06:11] <Ooze> No it was a /media/external
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• 2549[17:06:23] <kifkaz> maybe this can also help: replaced-url
• 2550[17:06:36] <kifkaz> BananaJoe: if the former link not work take a look at that: replaced-url
• 2551[17:06:52] <Ooze> I was also recently re-orgazing so I'm hoping I didn't delete something I shouldn't have
• 2552[17:06:57] <Ooze> but I think it might be from those earlier deletions
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• 2554[17:07:02] <Ooze> Didn't take place until I did a reboot?
• 2555[17:07:11] <BananaJoe> kifkaz: Now I have sound, the HDMI port wasn't selected, pavucontrol helped
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• 2558[17:07:29] <BananaJoe> But the Xfce control panel showed it as selected
• 2559[17:07:30] <BananaJoe> weord
• 2560[17:07:34] <BananaJoe> *weird
• 2561[17:07:44] <kifkaz> [17:43] <BananaJoe> 2. I have some white boxes with a red X inside them on some start menu items. The Tango icon pack is installed, but misses icons I think. can you elaborate?
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• 2565[17:08:19] <mtn> BananaJoe: you are welcome
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• 2568[17:08:39] <BananaJoe> kifkaz: I'll take a screenshot if it's okay, my englsh isn't really super to describe.
• 2569[17:08:56] <kifkaz> mtn: is hero
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• 2577[17:10:09] <mgoetze> hello. i find myself suddenly unable to control network-manager as a normal user despite being in the netdev group. how can i figure out what broke?
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• 2581[17:12:49] <jhutchins> BananaJoe: What happens if you set the default icons instead of the custom ones? Maybe it needs the defaults for icons the Tango pack is missing.
• 2582[17:12:49] <c-c> mgoetze: gist or pastie input/output?
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• 2585[17:13:22] <BananaJoe> jhutchins: Yeah, the other pack works, but Tango is missing some
• 2586[17:13:46] <jhutchins> BananaJoe: I would expect the menu to fall back, but I don't do gnome.
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• 2590[17:14:09] <mgoetze> c-c: replaced-url
• 2591[17:14:18] <BananaJoe> replaced-url
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• 2593[17:14:59] <BananaJoe> That red X
• 2594[17:15:21] <BananaJoe> If I select the other icon pack then I don't have any icons
• 2595[17:15:24] <BananaJoe> o_O
• 2596[17:15:29] <BananaJoe> Only some
• 2597[17:15:32] <BananaJoe> but not everywhere
• 2598[17:16:06] <kifkaz> aha
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• 2600[17:16:33] <c-c> mgoetze: ok, so how are you "unable to control"?
• 2601[17:17:25] <kifkaz> BananaJoe: replaced-url
• 2602[17:18:10] <mgoetze> c-c: i mean as you can see i am missing a bunch of permissions. if i click on "disconnect" in nm-applet, i get a message "(1) org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.network-control request failed: not authorized"
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• 2605[17:19:42] <c-c> mgoetze: ok
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• 2608[17:20:41] <c-c> mgoetze: perhaps the nm or the applet is down/crashed, can you restart them? or $ ps -lA | grep NetworkM
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• 2612[17:21:34] <mgoetze> c-c: no, it's running, and if i restart it the output of nmcli g p remains unchanged
• 2613[17:21:36] <BananaJoe> crap
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• 2615[17:22:03] <kifkaz> BananaJoe: ??
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• 2618[17:22:37] <c-c> mgoetze: perhaps you missed something in $ groups
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• 2620[17:22:47] <BananaJoe> kifkaz: The icon thing
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• 2622[17:22:56] <kifkaz> look at the link i gave you
• 2623[17:23:02] <mgoetze> c-c: i did pastebin you the output of "id", also it has been working for years previously
• 2624[17:23:09] <BananaJoe> kifkaz: It's for Gnome
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• 2627[17:25:07] <c-c> mgoetze: id is for the logged in user
• 2628[17:25:21] <mgoetze> c-c: yes, which other user could be relevant?
• 2629[17:25:34] <c-c> mgoetze: nm-applet?
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• 2633[17:26:27] <mgoetze> there is no nm-applet user
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• 2635[17:26:48] <c-c> mgoetze: also, perhaps look at ModemManager
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• 2637[17:27:07] <BananaJoe> Isn't it called NetworkManager?
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• 2639[17:27:12] <mgoetze> anyway the point is i want my user to be able to do things. whether i do it via nm-applet, nmcli, whatever, it's not working because as you can see from "nmcli g p" i don't have permissions
• 2640[17:27:36] <mgoetze> the question is why i don't have permissions despite being in the netdev group
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• 2642[17:27:55] <c-c> mgoetze: well anyway the point is this is futile until $ groups and $ id are known
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• 2645[17:28:44] <mgoetze> c-c: again, replaced-url
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• 2648[17:30:18] <c-c> mgoetze: so, you don't have "network" group?
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• 2650[17:30:43] <c-c> Anyway, good luck mgoetze !
• 2651[17:30:50] <mgoetze> c-c: there is no "network" group on my machine. there is a "systemd-network" group which i am not in...
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• 2707[17:52:04] <ClamAv> hello
• 2708[17:52:05] <ClamAv> anyone up?
• 2709[17:52:06] <ClamAv> :D
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• 2716[17:53:39] <ksk> ClamAv: dont ask to ask, just ask your question.
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• 2718[17:53:44] <ksk> !ask
• 2719[17:53:45] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2733[17:59:02] <Ghostman2898> Hi
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• 2740[18:00:53] <ksk> hello Ghostman2898.
• 2741[18:00:54] <ksk> !ask
• 2742[18:00:54] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2743[18:01:25] <jhutchins> replaced-url
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• 2751[18:04:02] <jhutchins> Oops, that runs Trisquel, the article I found said it ran Debian.
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• 2808[18:31:37] <gitgud> hello there. any recommendations for a sound output equalizer in debian?
• 2809[18:31:49] <gitgud> i'm talkin like, it would put on an effect for all sounds
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• 2811[18:33:03] <jhutchins> gitgud: That requires support in the sound card, and that's usually lacking. You can process audio with various editors and apply eq and effects, but it's hard to do real-time.
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• 2813[18:33:21] <gitgud> yeah
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• 2815[18:33:41] <gitgud> im talkin about real-time. you know anything about that?
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• 2817[18:34:16] <missmbob> i'm happy when i dont get crackling sounds on linux for no reason
• 2818[18:34:54] <jhutchins> gitgud: I've messed with some audio processing stuff. You need a real-time kernel and some significant tweaking. Pretty much have to dedicate the box to audio.
• 2819[18:35:08] <gitgud> oh ok
• 2820[18:35:24] <gitgud> jhutchins, when i had a windows box i was able to do this real time in winamp or some crap software
• 2821[18:35:31] <gitgud> so i suppose windows kernels come with that sort of support?
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• 2823[18:35:43] <jhutchins> gitgud: Not necessarily.
• 2824[18:35:53] <gitgud> but that was in a different machine
• 2825[18:36:06] <gitgud> long time ago, like maybe 13 years ago even :p
• 2826[18:36:07] <jhutchins> gitgud: What I tried was a guitar effects emulator - and the lag made it unusable.
• 2827[18:36:13] <missmbob> hell winamp does run on linux if that's all you want
• 2828[18:36:30] <gitgud> missmbob, but i have a feeling it wouldn't alter all sound effects
• 2829[18:36:50] <missmbob> i think it would
• 2830[18:37:11] <gitgud> all outputs? even outputs that dont originate from winamp?
• 2831[18:37:24] <missmbob> well no
• 2832[18:37:30] <gitgud> jhutchins, i'll research it. thanks
• 2833[18:37:33] <teraflops> there's a python thingy qpaeq that's not paneled in jessie but you can't get working easily.
• 2834[18:37:44] <teraflops> packaged*
• 2835[18:38:07] <teraflops> oh lord sorry . you can get.
• 2836[18:38:14] <teraflops> I'm on the silly phone
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• 2838[18:38:33] <jhutchins> gitgud: replaced-url
• 2839[18:39:06] <jhutchins> gitgud: I usually see suggestions that a distribution dedicated to audio work is necessary.
• 2840[18:39:15] <gitgud> another question. ubuntu pulseaudio. what is it?
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• 2842[18:39:30] <missmbob> gitgud: are you using ubuntu?
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• 2844[18:39:35] <gitgud> missmbob, nope. debian
• 2845[18:39:43] <gitgud> but if that works on ubuntu i may try to port it
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• 2848[18:39:56] <missmbob> debian has pulseaudio.
• 2849[18:40:01] <teraflops> he asked for an equalizer
• 2850[18:40:05] <missmbob> it's not "ubuntu pulseaudio"...it's just "pulseaudio"
• 2851[18:40:19] <teraflops> are you all talking about jack?
• 2852[18:40:33] <missmbob> apparently i have no fucking idea what we're talking about :P
• 2853[18:40:58] <gitgud> pulse audio doesnt have an equalizer?
• 2854[18:41:05] <teraflops> qpaeq is a equalizer for pulseaudio
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• 2856[18:41:28] <gitgud> it needs to be able to equalize all sound. playing youtube should be equalized. but same with vlc player. and other players. and so on
• 2857[18:41:29] <teraflops> gitgud: it's called qpaeq read above
• 2858[18:41:34] <gitgud> ok ty
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• 2861[18:42:02] <teraflops> if you want effects you want jack
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• 2863[18:42:32] <teraflops> pulseaudio also has a jack module
• 2864[18:42:39] <jhutchins> gitgud: Have a look at that how-it-works link above. the linuxaudio site has some good documentation under the "resources" link.
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• 2866[18:42:54] <gitgud> ok dope. thank you all
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• 2868[18:43:19] <gitgud> missmbob, so for qpaeq i need to use pulse audio too right? because its a module/part of pulseaudio?
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• 2871[18:44:46] <missmbob> yes. on debian often pulseaudio is automatically installed (things like gnome pulls it in). if you dont have it for some reason you can apt-get install pulseaudio
• 2872[18:45:14] <teraflops> qpaeq is for pulseaudio. last time I tried it wasn't packaged. but as I said it's easy getting it working in debian jessie ( I have done before)
• 2873[18:45:45] <Spec> Hello, I am upgrading to testing and I have an error I'd like to troubleshoot. I'm still getting used to systemd ... how do I get more information about this error? replaced-url
• 2874[18:45:53] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 2875[18:45:53] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2876[18:45:54] <gitgud> eah it seems like pulseaudio is already here in my system
• 2877[18:46:03] <Spec> missmbob: hmmm, ok thanks.
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• 2883[18:48:38] <petn-randall> missmbob: What's with all the cursing lately?
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• 2885[18:49:17] <missmbob> petn-randall: lately? i was in the U.S navy but i got out in 2004
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• 2891[18:51:57] <petn-randall> missmbob: Maybe I just started noticing it lately ...
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• 2897[18:53:43] <jhutchins> Spec: You probably have an error in your smb config. You can check the logs, check testparm, check the systemd journal if it's enabled.
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• 2899[18:54:00] <jhutchins> Spec: Another option is to start it manually instead of having systemd start it.
• 2900[18:54:08] <jhutchins> Spec: (Just for troubleshooting.
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• 2908[18:57:11] <BluuTP> my thinkfan service will no longer start at boot
• 2909[18:57:22] <BluuTP> the modules load and everything but for some reason thinkfan simply wont start
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• 2911[18:57:39] <jhutchins> BluuTP: Can you start it manually?
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• 2914[18:58:53] <BluuTP> jhutchins, using thinkfan -n I get this: replaced-url
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• 2917[18:59:36] <BluuTP> I've tried pwmconfig and that maxes out my fans just fine but for some reason thinkfan just flat out wont work, no matter what I do
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• 2919[18:59:51] <Spec> jhutchins: even starting it manually revealed silent fail -- with -i i found the config option that was in error
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• 2922[19:00:08] <Spec> now it has other errors :D
• 2923[19:00:09] <BluuTP> Spec, afaik with -n itl show a verbose
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• 2929[19:01:47] <BluuTP> Ive seen loads of threads about it but the crazy thing is, nearly no one has solved it
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• 2931[19:02:03] <BluuTP> found one thread on a polish forum but the solutions offered there dont work either
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• 2934[19:02:43] <nkuttler> BluuTP: so does it spin at all, ever?
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• 2936[19:02:46] <Spec> thanks, i just went with maintainers version of config and it works now ;)
• 2937[19:02:57] <Spec> i see it was trying to bind to the wrong interface (eth0 instead of br0)
• 2938[19:02:57] <BluuTP> nkuttler, before I typed sudo pwmconfig it didnt spin at all
• 2939[19:03:07] <BluuTP> but once I used pwmconfig the fans maxed out 24 / 7
• 2940[19:03:30] <BluuTP> and the GPU fan wont spin up either, regardless
• 2941[19:03:44] <jhutchins> Spec: Ah. I think you can bind to all with * but I'm not certain.
• 2942[19:04:04] <jhutchins> Spec: testparm will check your config file syntax. Won't find everything, but useful.
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• 2947[19:05:55] <Spec> well, all upgraded, just one failing package and I think that's due to kernel version shennanagins
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• 2949[19:06:09] <BluuTP> Oh, I also tried reinstalling it too
• 2950[19:06:14] <BluuTP> but that didnt work either :9
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• 2953[19:07:19] <jhutchins> Spec: They've changed how they name the interfaces so they're more consistent. You can change it back, but it can be useful for multi-port systems.
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• 2956[19:07:36] <BluuTP> me_irl replaced-url
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• 2971[19:13:11] <petn-randall> missmbob: I just think we should keep it mildly family-friendly regarding language in here.
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• 2977[19:15:34] <missmbob> petn-randall: do you know of children that dont curse?
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• 2982[19:15:55] <Spec> yes, this needless censorship of emotive language is absurd
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• 2984[19:16:30] <ScottE> petn-randall: Yes please! Profanity is for folks that can't come up with something more intelligent to say.
• 2985[19:16:45] <petn-randall> missmbob: I do know some adults that don't curse.
• 2986[19:16:45] <Spec> that's not what the studies indicate
• 2987[19:16:48] <missmbob> this is entirely offtopic, as well
• 2988[19:17:27] <Spec> replaced-url
• 2989[19:17:31] <centrx> That's what my English teach taught me. It's not merely obscenity, it's common-place vulgarity that indicates a lack of vocabulary
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• 2991[19:18:04] <Spec> centrx: please to read study
• 2992[19:18:13] <petn-randall> Either way, this discussion is for #debian-offtopic, but I didn't find you there, missmbob.
• 2993[19:18:15] <missmbob> please lets keep it on topic. our views dont matter.
• 2994[19:18:20] <Spec> sorry, yes.
• 2995[19:18:23] <centrx> It's not that people are incapable
• 2996[19:18:24] <gitgud> hey jhutchins missmbob how yall doin i got dat equalizer workin tho :D
• 2997[19:18:36] <partypooper> jebus i've joined the gay parade
• 2998[19:18:42] <partypooper> *check channel name*
• 2999[19:18:55] <jhutchins> gitgud: Oh?
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• 3001[19:18:57] <missmbob> see now *that* is offensive
• 3002[19:19:00] <gitgud> yaa
• 3003[19:19:16] <gitgud> i had to enable a bunch of modules with pactl
• 3004[19:19:22] <petn-randall> partypooper: Do you have a Debian support question?
• 3005[19:19:30] <gitgud> and i downloaded the qpbaeq script
• 3006[19:19:34] <gitgud> and install pavucontrol
• 3007[19:19:46] <gitgud> then use pavucontrol to route my software thru virtual channel
• 3008[19:20:00] <gitgud> that virtual channel happened to be controlled by qpbaeq
• 3009[19:20:14] <gitgud> then i edited the frequency filters on qpbaeq and it worked
• 3010[19:20:24] <gitgud> thank you all :D
• 3011[19:20:44] <jhutchins> gitgud: Cool, glad you worked it out.
• 3012[19:21:02] <jhutchins> gitgud: Also, good to know that you can get live EQ.
• 3013[19:21:08] <gitgud> yeah man
• 3014[19:21:29] <gitgud> well im still experimenting with it. pavucontrol lets you pass individual softwares thru virtual filters
• 3015[19:21:44] <gitgud> meaning i can have firefox with these filters on
• 3016[19:21:50] <gitgud> and vlc media player without it
• 3017[19:22:02] <gitgud> and so on
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• 3025[19:25:14] <jhutchins> gitgud: Sounds like they've finally got some useful features.
• 3026[19:25:37] <aruns> doing nmap shows port 443 closed on AWS instance,how to open port 443 for outside web traffic? ?Does iptables would work ?
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• 3029[19:26:19] <centrx> aruns: You need to make sure your network group settings on AWS allow that port/IP
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• 3032[19:26:35] <centrx> whatever it's called, network security settings
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• 3081[19:53:26] <dsfgdsfg> I have two x sessions in a single monitor. Is there any way I can trick xorg to prevent a program idle? Some applications in :1 go idle when I switch to :2
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• 3091[19:58:38] <jhutchins> aruns: The first question is whether anything is listening on 443.
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• 3094[19:59:50] <Debbixy> Hi, in debian wheezy, when i create a bookmark for some folders, where is this record saved ? are there any config files saving this ?
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• 3100[20:03:19] <somiaj> Debbixy: what application are you creating a bookmark in? Also this sounds like you are using wheezy for desktop applications, maybe a browser?
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• 3102[20:04:39] <Debbixy> somiaj: nautilus
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• 3104[20:05:17] <somiaj> then you will have to read nautilus docuemntation and asks where it saves its bookmarks, most likely some dir under $HOME, but I don't know which
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• 3107[20:05:41] <somiaj> also you most likely shouldn't be using wheezy for desktop applications (such as gnome) as it has not had seuciryt support for desktop applications for a while, and some of your apps may have known security holes.
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• 3110[20:07:45] <Debbixy> somiaj: i read they have updates for wheezy for another few years
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• 3112[20:07:52] <missmbob> not for desktop apps
• 3113[20:08:05] <jhutchins> !lts
• 3114[20:08:05] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see replaced-url
• 3115[20:08:06] <missmbob> and by "some may" he means "certainly"
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• 3117[20:08:24] <greycat> LTS focus on server packages, since servers are more likely to be kept on old releases
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• 3119[20:09:03] <somiaj> yea only sever side packages are updated, gui apps aren't.
• 3120[20:09:26] <somiaj> Browers are one that is not updated and those have had various security updates since offical support was dropped (not lts support)
• 3121[20:09:40] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
• 3122[20:09:41] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
• 3123[20:09:42] <Debbixy> well, i use debian live and reboot very often. i dont use it for serious things and for a long time.
• 3124[20:09:54] <somiaj> there is a link there of all packages that have known security holes in wheezy
• 3125[20:09:58] <missmbob> you use wheezy live?
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• 3127[20:10:29] <Debbixy> debian live and it's wheezy yes
• 3128[20:10:37] <missmbob> why?
• 3129[20:10:38] <Debbixy> i hate jessies desktop environment
• 3130[20:10:45] <Debbixy> so i switched back to wheezy
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• 3132[20:11:47] <Debbixy> it has Gnome but its still not as comfortable as Wheezy
• 3133[20:11:56] <centrx> You know there are many options for desktop environment
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• 3137[20:13:09] <Debbixy> i use debian live for bitcoin operations and when i do it, i reboot and unplug the network wire
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• 3140[20:14:04] <Debbixy> other than that, i do regular web browsing e-mail etc , mostly using 2FA
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• 3142[20:14:25] <Debbixy> anyway thanks, good day all
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• 3155[20:18:26] <FransUrbo> does anyone know if there's a bug in the kernel distributed with Stretch (linux-image-4.8.0-1-amd64=4.8.7-1) regarding auto-detecting partition [changes] to devices?
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• 3157[20:18:41] <greycat> Ask the stretch users.
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• 3163[20:19:53] <jhutchins> FransUrbo: There are stretch users here, but more can be found in #debian-next on oftc.net
• 3164[20:19:57] <somiaj> FransUrbo: known bugs should be in the BTS.
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• 3166[20:20:26] <jhutchins> FransUrbo: Why do you think there might be a problem?
• 3167[20:20:31] <jhutchins> FransUrbo: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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• 3173[20:21:35] <FransUrbo> Because when I try 'qemu-nbd --connect' on a QCOW2 image, I don't get the partition, but running 'partprobe' afterwards do. Also, I saw that there where some discussions on there being a bug in 4.1.
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• 3180[20:22:59] <jhutchins> FransUrbo: That's not exactly a partition change.
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• 3182[20:23:17] <jhutchins> FransUrbo: Sounds more like a problem with qemu than the kernel.
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• 3184[20:23:29] <FransUrbo> Works on my old Jessie...
• 3185[20:23:31] <FransUrbo> And on Sid.
• 3186[20:23:47] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 3187[20:23:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.8.0-2-686-pae (4.8.11-1); stretch: 4.8.0-1-686-pae (4.8.7-1); jessie-backports: 4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
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• 3192[20:24:31] <jhutchins> FransUrbo: Which narrows it down to qemu-on-stretch.
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• 3194[20:24:34] <FransUrbo> Small differences between Stretch and Sid, so probably something else then.
• 3195[20:24:43] <jhutchins> FransUrbo: Try a more current kernel.
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• 3197[20:25:22] <jhutchins> ,v qemu
• 3198[20:25:23] <judd> Package: qemu on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u18; wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1:2.7+dfsg-3~bpo8+2; sid: 1:2.7+dfsg-3+b1; stretch: 1:2.7+dfsg-3+b1
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• 3201[20:26:03] <FransUrbo> That's a biggie...
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• 3210[20:28:33] <FransUrbo> #829518 seems related.
• 3211[20:28:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3213[20:28:50] <RikuKawai> what do I need to install to make debian fully aware of the hyper-v container it's running in?
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• 3217[20:29:33] <FransUrbo> Still seems to be a kernel issue though.
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• 3219[20:29:53] <RikuKawai> it doesn't seem to like the dynamic memory very much, and tends to kill things instead of letting hyper-v assign more memory
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• 3226[20:31:08] <missmbob> install hyperv-daemons.
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• 3229[20:32:23] <teraflops> ugh I thought hyper-v only run in windows guests
• 3230[20:32:38] <missmbob> no. it does bsd and linux
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• 3232[20:32:55] <teraflops> sorry I meant host
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• 3237[20:34:55] <teraflops> I don't get the question above about the debian being aware of hyperv container running inside
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• 3239[20:35:30] <RikuKawai> the host is Windows 10 Pro
• 3240[20:35:32] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: Generally any of the other drivers and utilities from your hypervisor for linux.
• 3241[20:35:38] <RikuKawai> the guest is Debian 8.6
• 3242[20:35:50] <teraflops> and the host?
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• 3245[20:36:17] <missmbob> "the host is windows 10 pro"
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• 3247[20:36:19] <teraflops> then my English is even worse than I thought
• 3248[20:36:30] <missmbob> anyway, i think that's all you have to install. replaced-url
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• 3254[20:38:24] <jhutchins> Actually, it says right there in the chart that Dynamic Memory is not supported. Niether hot add nor baloonng (which is what I think RikuKawai was looking for).
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• 3257[20:39:01] <RikuKawai> it seems to work to an extent
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• 3270[20:42:38] <RikuKawai> jhutchins: interestingly, hv_balloon is loaded in lsmod
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• 3272[20:43:23] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: Then their web page is out-of-date. WHat a surprize.
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• 3276[20:45:53] <RikuKawai> why the heck does ubuntu support almost every feature and debian doesn't...
• 3277[20:46:05] <RikuKawai> really microsoft?
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• 3285[20:47:34] <somiaj> RikuKawai: it is actually the other way around, debian supports way more than ubuntu. Ubuntu is very targeted and supports some features not yet in Debian, but part of why this works is ubuntu supports a very small core on a very limited set of hardware.
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• 3289[20:48:20] <RikuKawai> somiaj: I'm not sure if you know I'm talking about Hyper-V or not
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• 3293[20:48:53] <somiaj> RikuKawai: in this case you are talking about guests? Have you looked at what modules/packages are installed?
• 3294[20:49:31] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: ubuntu also works with Microsoft more closely, which they can because they are an entity, a company. Debian really isn't.
• 3295[20:50:05] <RikuKawai> anyway I've seen dynamic memory hot-add working, as in my available memory increased right in front of me
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• 3297[20:50:22] <RikuKawai> it seems the issues I'm having are a limitation of hot-add and not a debian issue
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• 3300[20:50:50] <jhutchins> RikuKawai: Did you happen to look at that page?
• 3301[20:50:55] <RikuKawai> I did
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• 3306[20:51:13] <RikuKawai> I'm fairly certain it's out of date
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• 3309[20:52:13] <RikuKawai> as for example, the kernel module for ballooning is loaded on my VM
• 3310[20:52:20] <RikuKawai> but the page says it isn't supported
• 3311[20:52:29] <somiaj> what kernel are you using on your vm?
• 3312[20:53:05] <RikuKawai> just upgraded to 4.7.0 from 3.16(whichever one is standard in jessie)
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• 3316[20:53:46] <somiaj> RikuKawai: my guess is the page is giving support for the jessie kernel, not the one form jessie-backports
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• 3318[20:54:12] <RikuKawai> it did actually work in 3.16 too
• 3319[20:54:26] <RikuKawai> maybe it will work better now, I haven't done extensive testing since I upgraded it
• 3320[20:54:37] <somiaj> also seems they hyperv-daemons package (not sure if you need this just a package I found) has a nwer version is jessie-backports that might give more support for newer features.
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• 3329[20:58:44] <RikuKawai> replaced-url
• 3330[20:58:50] <RikuKawai> it seems lsvmbus is part of linux
• 3331[20:58:55] <RikuKawai> I wonder why it's missing on debian
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• 3337[20:59:49] <somiaj> RikuKawai: recall jessie is a frozen system, newer features don't get upgraded in debian until the next release (jessie-backports helps this)
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• 3341[21:00:02] <greycat> ,file lsvmbus
• 3342[21:00:05] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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• 3344[21:00:23] <somiaj> seems it is not in sid either.
• 3345[21:00:34] <RikuKawai> odd
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• 3352[21:01:32] <somiaj> looks like something that is added in ubuntu but not debian.
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• 3354[21:02:11] <RikuKawai> seems to be a different kernel
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• 3356[21:02:52] <somiaj> I'm seeing a seperate package ubuntu is including to include this
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• 3358[21:03:12] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 3359[21:03:40] <RikuKawai> which depends on a linux-cloud-tools-[version] kernel from what I saw
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• 3362[21:04:34] <somiaj> You could try to build that package in debian and see if it works. I was seeing if there were any wnnp bugs for this, but not finding any so far.
• 3363[21:05:03] <somiaj> ahh looks like that package is similar to the hyperv-daemons package as it provides some of the daemons and more
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• 3370[21:07:10] <RikuKawai> there is cloud-init and cloud-utils
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• 3383[21:12:43] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 3385[21:12:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3430[21:37:55] <claudia__> hi! i have trouble apache2 vhost errorlog:"AH01630: client denied by server configuration:"
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• 3435[21:40:16] <maddawg2> hey all... i'm having an issue with apache
• 3436[21:40:22] <maddawg2> i cant get a2enconf to work
• 3437[21:40:26] <maddawg2> it says command not found
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• 3439[21:40:40] <greycat> make sure you're running it as root
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• 3450[21:42:21] <maddawg2> i am
• 3451[21:42:24] <maddawg2> it says command not found
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• 3453[21:43:18] <maddawg2> nvm
• 3454[21:43:23] <claudia__> I cannot get to work vhost apache2 in debian8
• 3455[21:43:30] <maddawg2> apparently all i needed to do was sudo service apache2 reload
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• 3460[21:46:41] <claudia__> can someone help me with apache2 vhost in debian jessie?
• 3461[21:47:53] <greycat> The names of the symlinks (or files) in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ have to end with .conf as of jessie.
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• 3463[21:48:20] <greycat> If you migrated from a nice simple wheezy apache2.2 where your sites-enabled/ were just the domain names, you have to change them all.
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• 3465[21:49:13] <maddawg2> thats lovely of debian
• 3466[21:49:19] <maddawg2> mess everyone's apache configs up
• 3467[21:49:22] <maddawg2> great job
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• 3470[21:51:37] <greycat> And then you have to rewrite all your configs too. Probably.
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• 3478[21:54:56] <maddawg2> that really sucks if thats true
• 3479[21:55:03] <maddawg2> why would debian do that?
• 3480[21:56:16] <greycat> Debian is responsible for the *.conf part, and Apache itself (upstream) is responsibile for breaking compatibility of config files between 2.2 and 2.4.
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• 3482[21:57:10] <unborn> claudia__: I can do
• 3483[21:57:53] <epsilon> maddawg2: not recommended, but you can modify apache2.conf the line "IncludeOptional site-enabled/*.conf"
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• 3487[21:58:22] <unborn> I would not use configs from apache 2.2 in apache 2.4 not at all..
• 3488[21:58:32] <maddawg2> debian uses systemd right?
• 3489[21:58:37] <unborn> epsilon: 1+
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• 3491[21:59:01] <epsilon> well beside that allow/deny stuff, conf is compatible
• 3492[21:59:14] <greycat> maddawg2: jessie does, yes
• 3493[21:59:26] <maddawg2> greycat thanks thats what i thought
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• 3495[21:59:35] <unborn> epsilon: we know, however its good practice to re-write whole thingy ;)
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• 3501[22:01:20] <maddawg2> what about people who have a huge web server
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• 3503[22:01:24] <maddawg2> that's not pracitcal
• 3504[22:01:33] <maddawg2> debian shouldnt make changes that require that kind of crap
• 3505[22:01:39] <maddawg2> stupid
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• 3507[22:02:00] <maddawg2> it's why i left ubuntu really... they kept changing shit every release and i spent more time fixing crap than it's worth
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• 3509[22:02:06] <greycat> If you have a huge Apache web server, your migration to jessie will require some planning and work.
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• 3511[22:02:36] <unborn> maddawg2: I do have it.. well, clean reinstall, restore etc.. if you do it from apache 2.2 to 2.4 then you should read the apache docs and it would be clear that you need to alter - means you can replace those things via terminal in all files at once
• 3512[22:03:12] <Rortech> Hey guys... trying to install steam and it says I need 32 bit version of libc6 and couple other things and the console says my user is not on sudoers file
• 3513[22:03:13] <unborn> which brings us maddawg2 to what greycat mentioned.. planing and work
• 3514[22:03:14] <epsilon> think positive, we all migrate 2.2 -> 2.4 only once :P
• 3515[22:03:37] <maddawg2> sure until something else changes in the next update
• 3516[22:03:38] <maddawg2> lol
• 3517[22:03:42] <maddawg2> and that's just apache
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• 3519[22:03:58] <maddawg2> i remember when ubuntu went to systemd and it broke EVERYTHING i had
• 3520[22:03:58] <greycat> epsilon: per machine
• 3521[22:04:08] <maddawg2> and i had to redo everything
• 3522[22:04:10] <maddawg2> it fucking sucked
• 3523[22:04:13] <greycat> and some of us just say "fuck this" and migrate from apache 2.2 to nginx
• 3524[22:04:15] <maddawg2> oops excuse my french
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• 3529[22:05:41] <epsilon> greycat: ack, i run apache / nginx too depending on needs
• 3530[22:05:53] <unborn> or fuck this and migrate from ubuntu to debian ;)
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• 3532[22:06:08] <Rortech> I guess the question is why am I not on sudoers list and why do I need 32 bit versions I have the necessary programs
• 3533[22:06:50] <epsilon> migrate from windows to debian :)
• 3534[22:06:55] <unborn> Rortech: sudoers? why not run it as separate user eg root?
• 3535[22:07:05] <claudia__> vhost apache2 not working in debian8
• 3536[22:07:07] <greycat> It would be a lot easier if you asked one question at a time.
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• 3539[22:07:24] <unborn> true :P
• 3540[22:07:28] <jasabella> Rortech... because steam is compiled against the 32-bit versions of the libraries?
• 3541[22:07:29] <greycat> If you want to be in sudoers, and you aren not, then you will need to use su (or a direct root login) and run "visudo" and put yourself in there.
• 3542[22:07:30] <Rortech> I can't even log into root for some reason
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• 3545[22:07:50] <unborn> Rortech: wrong password?
• 3546[22:08:53] <Rortech> no the log in screen dm just says root login not allowed and I don't have root blocked on login
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• 3550[22:09:39] <Rortech> ok so on visudo whats the command to add user to sudoers
• 3551[22:09:40] <unborn> claudia__: it does work.. check your config files also make sure after you've done changes to apache - reload apache server it self..
• 3552[22:09:41] <greycat> You can't login as root in most GUIs. Login on console, or use su.
• 3553[22:09:48] <claudia__> Rortech use slimdm or other that permit root logon
• 3554[22:09:51] <jasabella> try from tty
• 3555[22:09:58] <claudia__> wmdm
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• 3558[22:10:41] <Rortech> right but when I start steam it takes me straight to password I can't use su
• 3559[22:10:41] <unborn> Rortech: root login via ssh is disabled by default..
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• 3561[22:11:15] <Rortech> im not used to using debian do I run steam by su steam
• 3562[22:11:15] <greycat> Stop running steam. Open s fucking TERMINAL. Type su.
• 3563[22:11:20] <unborn> Rortech: if you trying to install steam on your own system open terminal and follow greycat 's advice
• 3564[22:11:28] <greycat> Not "su steam". Just su.
• 3565[22:11:31] <unborn> on terminal just type su command
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• 3568[22:11:59] <Rortech> I know that and once in su is it just steam
• 3569[22:12:01] <claudia__> unborn, I already did everything the troubleshooting webpages indicate
• 3570[22:12:21] <greycat> No, once in su (a root shell) then you can run visudo to add yourself to the sudoers file, which answers your FIRST question.
• 3571[22:12:24] <Rortech> an you don't have to cuss at me I know how to get into su but when I type steam it says invalid command
• 3572[22:12:29] <claudia__> change directives, reload apache, chown chmod etc etc
• 3573[22:12:37] <greycat> Installing steam is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT question.
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• 3577[22:12:54] <Rortech> yes im on visudo screen right now under su
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• 3580[22:13:19] <Rortech> I've already done that steam is installed but to run needs some things slow down guys
• 3581[22:13:32] <Rortech> Im in su on visudo
• 3582[22:13:33] <unborn> claudia__: i assume that you running everything updated.. troubleshooting web pages is something else then troubleshooting apache server.. so what is the problem, page gives you 500 or server isnt working?
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• 3584[22:14:58] <Rortech> what is visudo command to add user
• 3585[22:15:20] <jamesl> I will be installing Debian (CLI only) on a Samba server, in which workstations iwll connect to to access their home directories stored on the server. The server has a 250GB drive and a 2TB drive. I'm thinking of installing Debian on the 250G and putting /home on the 2TB, but is there anything else I should put on the 2TB? And what about swap space?
• 3586[22:15:44] <unborn> Rortech: you know what root can do to your system at the first place?
• 3587[22:15:57] <greycat> I bet he's not even a Debian user.
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• 3589[22:16:19] <Rortech> OMG YOUR NOT LISTENING
• 3590[22:16:31] <greycat> We're listening. We're just not caring so much.
• 3591[22:16:39] <Rortech> I see that
• 3592[22:16:41] <unborn> Rortech: well we are.. replaced-url
• 3593[22:16:49] <greycat> Does your sudoers file contain a line for members of the sudo group? If so, just add yourself to that group.
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• 3596[22:17:20] <greycat> I still think you're not a Debian user, because doesn't Debian set up the initial user (UID 1000) in the sudo group by default?
• 3597[22:17:29] <greycat> or am I just imagining that?
• 3598[22:17:45] <jamesl> greycat: I just installed Debian, I had to manually add myself to sudoers
• 3599[22:18:00] <greycat> Hmm ok.
• 3600[22:18:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1621
• 3601[22:18:02] <unborn> greycat: leave him, you already told him what to do.. seems to me that user does not care what hi is doing means - you know..
• 3602[22:18:02] <jamesl> so no, it doesn't add you to the sudo group. Though a sudo group does exist
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• 3604[22:18:52] <n4dir> greycat: i think you just imagine that. Might have changed, but not in the past (or it is me who is imaging)
• 3605[22:19:09] <greycat> This is why I said it's easier if you ask ONE question at a time. Don't conflate "giving my account sudo powers" and "steam wants 32 bit libs" because those have nothing in common.
• 3606[22:19:23] <brixtol> hi, there is a way to archive a folder with ";" in the folder name? (ex. "path\to\folder\bkp 2016-12-09 20;05;18\data.dat")
• 3607[22:19:35] <jamesl> X and Y problem
• 3608[22:19:41] <funkster_> anyone recommend a method to push data to servers that are behind router/firewalls, without opening up ports/configuring router/firewalls. as of now i am polling for changes every 2 seconds of public server, looking to rather push data.
• 3609[22:19:44] <jamesl> escape with a backslash?
• 3610[22:19:47] <jamesl> \;
• 3611[22:19:55] <greycat> It should be simpler to get sudo fixed, so I chose to start with that question.
• 3612[22:19:58] <Rortech> I added user to sudo file still does not work
• 3613[22:20:24] <greycat> Undo whatever you did, and try adding yourself to the sudo GROUP, and the log out and back in.
• 3614[22:20:28] <jamesl> test if you have sudo access with sudo -i
• 3615[22:20:50] <jamesl> if that fails, use visudo and copy the entry for root for your user
• 3616[22:20:56] <Rortech> I didnt relog ill be back
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• 3618[22:21:08] <n4dir> brixtol: what sometimes works for me is (for exampe) cd /path/to/bkp*
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• 3620[22:21:27] <n4dir> putting the * depending where the unusual chars are to be found
• 3621[22:21:58] <n4dir> ah, archive. ups. Well, still worth a try
• 3622[22:22:11] <jamesl> should I put the swap file on my 250G drive or 2TB drive on my storage server? And what about /var? Should I keep that on the 250G?
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• 3624[22:22:15] <greycat> What archive program are you using that FAILS?
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• 3627[22:22:30] <greycat> Whatever it is, stop using it.
• 3628[22:22:34] <Rortech> all fixed than you for helping
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• 3630[22:22:40] <claudia__> unborn: I need vhost then I create a file site-available with virtual tag and synlink into site-enable reload apache, I put ip "hostname" in hosts file etc. I have debian 8 updated too, but error "AH01630: client denied by server configuration:"
• 3631[22:22:47] <greycat> So now you want to ask your steam question?
• 3632[22:22:48] <jasabella> jamesl... for performance, which one is the ssd?
• 3633[22:22:58] <jamesl> neither. Both mechanical
• 3634[22:23:13] <brixtol> @jamesl i've got many folder with this name in subdirectories, so i don't know how use \;
• 3635[22:23:15] <jamesl> but one is obviously much bigger
• 3636[22:23:22] <Rortech> no in order to run steam I needed a couple programs and I couldn't do it cause I was not in sudoers file it's running now
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• 3638[22:24:10] <jasabella> i hope you're not running steam as root
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• 3640[22:24:15] <Rortech> sorry I'm not used to debian I have been on opensuse xfce using studio for 5 years and it's so much easier but debian has been more stable for me
• 3641[22:24:25] <unborn> claudia__: ah163 - means log for htaccess or something related to it.. also means error on log, but what is giving your your browser.. that what I mean when I asked you about 404 or 500 or 403 etc
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• 3644[22:24:32] <Rortech> Im not running anything as root im downloading programs needed
• 3645[22:24:45] <claudia__> unborn 403
• 3646[22:24:46] <RikuKawai> steam should actually just work if you're on jessie with multiarch enabled
• 3647[22:24:46] <unborn> Rortech: heh
• 3648[22:24:48] <Rortech> I'm not new to linux guys I'm new to debian
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• 3650[22:25:16] <RikuKawai> getting it to work with packages from jessie-backports or on stretch/sid is a pain in the ass
• 3651[22:25:17] <unborn> claudia__: sure mean check your htaccess.. there are possibly some restrictions :)
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• 3654[22:25:39] <Rortech> I just downloaded it from the site and installed
• 3655[22:25:41] <johnflux_> I'm creating a new package that is renaming a package, and I've set the new package as Replace'ing and Breaks'ing the old one. But when I install the new one it complains
• 3656[22:25:48] <unborn> perhaps try to temporary rename .htaccess to .tem.htaccess.disabled and reload the site
• 3657[22:25:48] <johnflux_> deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)
• 3658[22:25:51] <jasabella> my understanding is that if, during install, you disable root login, you should be added to sudoers by the installer, otherwise it's a manual process
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• 3660[22:25:56] <unborn> claudia__: ^^^
• 3661[22:25:59] <claudia__> I will proced to delete this .htaccess file
• 3662[22:26:03] <Rortech> It's all good now
• 3663[22:26:04] <RikuKawai> Rortech: it just worked? are you on i386?
• 3664[22:26:15] <unborn> claudia__: just rename it..
• 3665[22:26:16] <RikuKawai> I know you fixed it I'm just wondering
• 3666[22:26:21] <Rortech> it didn't just work no I had to download a couple things
• 3667[22:26:26] <greycat> Maybe he somehow knew how to do debian multiarch but did not know how to run 'su'. For some reason.
• 3668[22:26:35] <unborn> you can alter configuration later.. the main thing is to get the site working.. claudia__
• 3669[22:26:47] <Rortech> I didn't know multiarch
• 3670[22:26:51] <Rortech> I know su
• 3671[22:26:52] <RikuKawai> pretty sure you need root access to add arches in dpkg but maybe I'm wrong
• 3672[22:27:04] <greycat> You tried to type "su steam", so no, you do not know su.
• 3673[22:27:05] <Rortech> It's solved now
• 3674[22:27:18] <claudia__> unborn: my root web directory only have index.html nothing more
• 3675[22:27:23] <Rortech> no I didn't you just started freaking out and cussing at me rather than listening
• 3676[22:27:31] <unborn> claudia__: oh okay
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• 3678[22:27:42] <claudia__> no .htaccess file
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• 3680[22:27:47] <Rortech> I tried running from su I didn't type su steam
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• 3682[22:28:14] <Rortech> this is not a friendly helpful community u gotta stop judging people
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• 3684[22:28:21] <Rortech> later
• 3685[22:28:21] <claudia__> Work fine apache2 in other partition with debian 7
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• 3687[22:28:40] <elhoir> hello, im trying to set an Active Directoy domain controller up, but samba fails to start
• 3688[22:28:47] <elhoir> and i dont know what am i doing wrong
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• 3690[22:28:51] <elhoir> could you help me?
• 3691[22:28:56] <unborn> claudia__: so its rwe problem are the permission - are they same as in debian 7?
• 3692[22:29:29] <claudia__> chown -R 775 over this directory
• 3693[22:29:35] <claudia__> chmod
• 3694[22:29:48] <unborn> claudia__: file.. not dir
• 3695[22:29:52] <unborn> ?
• 3696[22:30:07] <claudia__> chown -R replaced-url
• 3697[22:30:16] <unborn> also keep in mind that debian 7 and debian 8 apache configs are very much different for apache
• 3698[22:30:22] <claudia__> unborn recursive all directory
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• 3701[22:30:59] <claudia__> yes, I do not mix config file between both versions
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• 3709[22:32:01] <unborn> again file not folder
• 3710[22:32:08] <unborn> and file claudia__ should be in 644
• 3711[22:32:15] <unborn> folder is something else
• 3712[22:32:40] <greycat> You *really* do not want to do recursive chmod commands.
• 3713[22:32:45] <greycat> Very dangerous.
• 3714[22:32:55] <unborn> also make sure that file is able to run under apache user
• 3715[22:32:59] <unborn> at the first place
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• 3717[22:33:07] <unborn> exactly greycat
• 3718[22:33:31] <claudia__> in subdirectory structure for web files
• 3719[22:33:49] <claudia__> apache work in subfolder ok
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• 3722[22:34:20] <claudia__> I can back later, thanks your time
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• 3724[22:34:34] <unborn> claudia__: that means one thing.. if subfolder site files works for you, you have file permission problems.. not the folder.
• 3725[22:35:11] <unborn> .. I still think why on earth people not listen.. never mind :)
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• 3741[22:40:21] <fiveflowerzz> Hi, I'm working on an embedded software that should open as soon as possible when Debian boots.
• 3742[22:40:44] <fiveflowerzz> The main GUI (graphical mode) should be displayed as soon as possible, what is the lightest solution for this?
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• 3744[22:41:38] <fiveflowerzz> As I'm only using Debian via SSH, I don't even remember, what is the default desktop environment with debian 8?
• 3745[22:41:40] <zykotick9> fiveflowerzz: you might want to try nodm perhaps?
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• 3750[22:43:05] <fiveflowerzz> zykotick9: The last Linux I had with a Desktop was an ubuntu 14.04, which automatically started the desktop. Was it a nodm ?
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• 3754[22:43:54] <zykotick9> no... ubuntu uses lightdm by default... nodm is a very _minimal_ way to start xorg
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• 3759[22:45:06] <greycat> !nodm
• 3760[22:45:07] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
• 3761[22:45:20] <fiveflowerzz> zykotick9: it seems that it was unity / is lightdm related?
• 3762[22:45:23] <unborn> !ubuntu
• 3763[22:45:24] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 3773[22:46:29] <greycat> Debian also uses lightdm if you install certain desktop environment meta-packages.
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• 3784[22:48:59] <fiveflowerzz> What I want to achieve: start a Python script (with a GUI started by WXpython / Wxwidgets library) as soon as possible on an embedded computer, without keyboard/mouse
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• 3787[22:49:26] <fiveflowerzz> Should I put nodm or something else?
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• 3790[22:51:12] <jhutchins> fiveflowerzz: It sounds like you might want auto-login as well. Lightdm will do that, not sure about nodm. Probably.
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• 3796[22:52:05] <n4dir> at least in the past you could also autologin without display-manager
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• 3799[22:52:41] <greycat> I do not recommand autologin for anything but a dedicated kiosk system.
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• 3801[22:53:32] <fiveflowerzz> greycat: it's some sort of kiosk
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• 3804[22:53:51] <fiveflowerzz> no keyboard, no mouse, only a touchscreen. Imagine an embedded computer in a public library
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• 3813[22:57:20] <jhutchins> fiveflowerzz: Yeah, that's a kiosk.
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• 3816[22:57:39] <jhutchins> fiveflowerzz: Unless it's POS.
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• 3821[22:59:12] <crash_> why is gvfs-fuse not installed automatically when i choose mate in the installer? i need to install that by my self afterwards
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• 3827[23:00:45] <jhutchins> crash_: The maintainers can't guess every package that every users is going to want.
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• 3835[23:02:50] <jasabella> will docker.io be in stretch?
• 3836[23:02:55] <fiveflowerzz> jhutchins: I tried to summarize the idea here: replaced-url
• 3837[23:03:21] <greycat> ,v docker.io
• 3838[23:03:22] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.11.2~ds1-6
• 3839[23:03:26] <greycat> hah
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• 3850[23:05:24] <crash_> jhutchins: i understand that :) but every other gvfs packages is installed so i thought 1 more should not make any harm :P
• 3851[23:06:18] <crash_> but yeah i understand now why though.
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• 3924[23:40:29] <Rubin_> im trying to use debuild to build a .deb for local personal use. Do I have to setup a gpg key or can I just have it skip that?
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• 3943[23:46:05] <Rubin_> .ping
• 3944[23:46:11] <zykotick9> Rubin_: for personal use, you might want to try checkinstall... ymmv
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• 3949[23:48:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1603
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• 3954[23:49:58] <Rubin_> zykotick9, will that work for cpan (perl) modules?
• 3955[23:50:23] <Rubin_> I'm following replaced-url
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• 3965[23:55:26] <llwu> anyone got optimus to work on jessie lately?
• 3966[23:55:27] <PryMar56> Rubin_, add -uc -us to DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS in /etc/devscripts
• 3967[23:55:56] <PryMar56> if its trying to sign the changes & *.dsc
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• 3973[23:58:22] <Rubin_> PryMar56, that totally worked, thanks!
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