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• 1[00:02:52] <MickyW> somiaj: Despite there had been no problem for a while (about a year) after using them for installation?
• 2[00:03:36] <dhalgren> maybe the cd's degraded? guess you could try burning new wheezy cd's if you so desire...
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• 5[00:04:10] <MickyW> BTW: For me, having a network connection, isn't a granted thing. Having a fallback seems a good practive to me.
• 6[00:04:34] <dhalgren> yeah, I've been in such a situation in the recent past too
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• 11[00:05:01] <`Kevin> MickyW: honestly i do not think many here have expertise to debug a cdom repository issue without quite a bit back and forth, it is very uncommon and there are likely many possibilities regarding having todo workarounds to just make it work the way yo uare wanting
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• 13[00:05:20] <`Kevin> MickyW: i would suggest you setup a local apt mirror and sync when possible
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• 16[00:05:44] <`Kevin> if thats possible in your situation..
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• 19[00:06:29] <somiaj> MickyW: these are on physical cd drives?
• 20[00:06:42] <somiaj> MickyW: or usb drivesr or just images (.iso) on your harddisk?
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• 22[00:07:40] <MickyW> somiaj: Yes. They are physical cdroms (dvds to be precise). And the command "apt-cdrom add" didn't issue any error message.
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• 26[00:08:15] <dhalgren> I'd def suspect the dvd medium itself
• 27[00:08:17] <somiaj> MickyW: well if they went from working to not working, the physical dvd could just be going bad. That to me seems the most likely.
• 28[00:08:19] <MickyW> It had just added the cdrom line again to sources.list like the one I removed right before.
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• 30[00:09:59] <MickyW> somiaj: That does not sound reasonable to me. If the problem appeared just during "update" without any cdrom in the drive (as the with the many times before witout any problem) how should any degration, which occured to the media sould affect the software, which could not notice any degration?
• 31[00:10:06] <teraflops> local repo sounds better, updating an up-to-date system with debian isos could end in downgrading things
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• 38[00:11:24] <MickyW> I am not sure about what "apt-cdrom" add actually does.
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• 40[00:12:13] <dhalgren> MickyW: but maybe it could've affected it during indexing of the repo on the DVD; some corruption of the index; maybe that can be causing it?
• 41[00:12:53] <dhalgren> wait
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• 45[00:13:29] <dhalgren> so the error message during apt-get update is just that it can't update the cdrom's that aren't in the drive? nothing else, just that it can't index something that doesn't exist??
• 46[00:13:31] <MickyW> dhalgren: But aptitude did work for a long time with the index data on hd after having it added.
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• 48[00:13:43] <MickyW> dhalgren: Yes. Exactly
• 49[00:13:50] <dhalgren> hm
• 50[00:13:58] <dhalgren> doesn't even sound wrong really
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• 53[00:15:11] <MickyW> dhalgren: Sorry. Cant follow you. An error message does sound like something is wrong. Doesn't it?
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• 55[00:17:33] <dhalgren> MickyW: heh, yeah; I just mean, ofc apt-get update can't update a repo that physically isn't there. It shouldn't be even trying to update those particular repos, that seems the correct behavior, as there's no point; the cd's didn't change anyhow
• 56[00:17:43] <teraflops> MickyW: talking about error. did you look at the logs?
• 57[00:17:47] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
• 58[00:17:48] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
• 59[00:17:51] <MickyW> dhalgren: Oh. Just got it. - OK. But why didn't took it (aptitude) as error before a certain time? And what sense would make it? It can't be that unusaly havin both online and offline sources in sources.llist.
• 60[00:18:18] <somiaj> MickyW: did this error happen somewhere around april this year? Just wondering if the change to wheezy-lts is causing an issue with apt when it is looking at wheezy sources.
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• 62[00:18:58] <somiaj> MickyW: I think it is unsual, I see very few people in here using actualy physical cds as their sources. Many use thigns like apt-cacherng though
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• 64[00:19:09] <MickyW> Having amd. So I shall be covered by prolonged sec updates either.
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• 66[00:20:06] <missmbob> having what?
• 67[00:20:36] <MickyW> AMD architecture
• 68[00:21:25] <somiaj> MickyW: amd64 and i386 are both supported. It won't matter if you have intel or amd hardware, they are just codenames fo x86 and x86_64
• 69[00:21:27] <MickyW> somepoortech: About the april issue: Not sure. Could be around that time.
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• 72[00:22:08] <somiaj> MickyW: it could be there is something subtle with how wheezy just became wheezy-lts without having new sources.list (unsure if this will affect apt or not).
• 73[00:22:39] <dhalgren> MickyW: just to eliminate possibilities, is there any chance you just used to scroll through this error before, but maybe because you saw some recent problems with the system (or had a feeling it was misbehaving for any reason) , you went looking for errors and noticed this one?
• 74[00:23:00] <cbzt> kde just released a LTS version. i'm guessing that one will end up in debian 9 since the freeze hasn't begun?
• 75[00:23:02] <MickyW> somiaj: I know that. I misunderstood dpkg post, which I first interpreted as saying that support for i386 ended but was extended for AMD64.
• 76[00:23:56] <dhalgren> I'm unsure how apt-get update normally behaves about cdroms, though it would make sense for it to not even try updating cdrom repos
• 77[00:24:13] <somiaj> cbzt: you'll have to ask the kde team. The freeze happens in november, so they only have until then to get it into stretch.
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• 79[00:24:26] <MickyW> dhalgren: Yes. Thats true. I saw today, that the "update tool" (the one which is called by cron) wanted to install some security update but saying, that its source is untrusted (which made me suspicuous).
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• 84[00:25:11] <MickyW> Want to see sources.list?
• 85[00:26:09] <dhalgren> so it could be the case that apt update just normally unnecessarily barks at its cdrom-using users that it can't update the cdroms, or it could be the case that someone missed something when the old stable became LTS, cuz so few ppl use cdroms
• 86[00:26:30] <cbzt> somiaj: ok thanks. i read that november is a transition freeze, but january 2017 is the soft freeze where no new packages come in
• 87[00:26:33] <cbzt> what is transition freeze?
• 88[00:26:35] <dhalgren> either way, the error seems benign
• 89[00:26:55] <missmbob> cbzt: the rc's arent even in experimental ...so i highly doubt it
• 90[00:27:06] <`Kevin> x2 teraflops
• 91[00:27:12] <cbzt> missmbob: well it was just released
• 92[00:27:30] <missmbob> cbzt: yes but experimental tends to follow rc's for such things. not just final releases
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• 94[00:27:48] <cbzt> i don't know that kde has rcs
• 95[00:27:58] <cbzt> they just release every few months and declared this one lts
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• 97[00:28:09] <`Kevin> ... forcibly downgrade from a CDROM repo or something similar breakin the system heh
• 98[00:28:17] <MickyW> dhalgren: It may help, in spite I said it. - It came to the point where the "update tool" didn't any update until I first did an update with aptitude (without installing any).
• 99[00:28:19] <missmbob> cbzt: it does. example replaced-url
• 100[00:28:50] <cbzt> missmbob: that's a major update from plasma 4 to plasma 5. i meant minor point releases
• 101[00:29:16] <cbzt> plasma 5 has been out for two years i think
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• 103[00:29:56] <cbzt> replaced-url
• 104[00:29:57] <MickyW> Sorry. Cant't follow the recent entries. What are you talking about? (cbzt, mssmbob, 'Kevin)
• 105[00:30:09] <somiaj> cbzt: not positive on what they mean, but it seems by transition freeze, it means packages will stop automatically flowing from sid to stretch. But in some cases the debian release directors can force newer packages in from sid (this is rare). And after january, packages that still have rc bugs start to get removed if there isn't signficant progress on them.
• 106[00:30:36] <dhalgren> MickyW: unrelated; seems about kde versions in deb
• 107[00:30:43] <MickyW> Uh.
• 108[00:30:47] <MickyW> Thank you.
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• 110[00:31:15] <cbzt> somiaj: ok thanks
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• 112[00:31:24] <cbzt> if that's the case then it seems unlikely
• 113[00:31:43] <zxc> Is the "Delete" key supposed to not function in Debian? Mine worked in Windows, and I believe it worked in Ubuntu, but why may it not work in Debian? It doesn't appear to be Gnome problem.
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• 115[00:31:58] <somiaj> cbzt: yea desktops just take a long time to integrate into debian, a few months for a desktop seems unlikely to me too.
• 116[00:32:01] <missmbob> cbzt: unrelated but i just saw the video on the page you linked us to. the "desktop widgets" made me have flashbacks to Windows ME. eww.
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• 119[00:32:25] <cbzt> windows 10 has desktop widgets too
• 120[00:32:28] <dhalgren> MickyW: anyhow, try the suggestion about creating a local mirror of the repo instead of using the cdrom, seems the better way of using debian w a spotty connection regardless of whatever apt is doing wrongly here
• 121[00:32:33] <MickyW> dhalgren: About your last post: There was a time, when aptitude did NOT moan about the cdroms. That started at some time this year. I think about march or not very much later.
• 122[00:32:59] <dhalgren> could actually be a bug that the LTS team missed maybe..
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• 124[00:33:11] <cbzt> i may try kde neon. it's just a shame they only work on an ubuntu base and not debian
• 125[00:33:24] <cbzt> i like the idea of keeping the base system stable while keeping the DE up to date
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• 127[00:34:26] <somiaj> cbzt: It sounds nice, but in practice de's are just too big. I have yet to see a backport for a DE made due to this.
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• 131[00:34:34] <MickyW> dhalgren: Hm. It just came to me, to check whether aptitude itself was updated recently. Moment.
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• 134[00:35:17] <somiaj> MickyW: in wheezy aptitude won't get updated. But the wheezy > wheezy-lts could have added something subtle on the server side that confuses aptitude.
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• 136[00:35:51] <somiaj> MickyW: (well besides for bug/security fixes). Maybe report a bug and see if it gets any traction. Unsure where the best place for this is though.
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• 138[00:36:06] <MickyW> hm history.log is empty. - Have I deleted it by using apt-get clean?
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• 140[00:36:34] <maxcell_> When i update the kernel to 4.7 i get some firmware missing errors about nouveau, so i uninstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and install nvidia, it works but, always when i try to apt-get autoremove it wants to remove the "xinit" and "xorg". How to stop this
• 141[00:36:37] <cbzt> i could use debian testing but don't want to give up the security team support i get in stable
• 142[00:36:45] <cbzt> thanks for the info
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• 146[00:38:01] <somiaj> cbzt: debian is not a distro that is about having the most current DEs. I like it a lot, but I also don't use a DE so that makes it easier for me to not want the newer/fancy features.
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• 148[00:38:30] <MickyW> Forgot. There are rotate logs. Moment.
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• 153[00:40:08] <dhalgren> MickyW: y, just tried it, no effect on the log
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• 160[00:41:56] <MickyW> dhalgren: The same. No entry regarding aptitude
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• 165[00:42:47] <dhalgren> so, to be expected
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• 167[00:42:55] <MickyW> dhalgren: But at least one regardin apt.
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• 169[00:43:03] <MickyW> Moment
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• 174[00:44:34] <dhalgren> sry, I'm gonna go afk and watch a video , cya !
• 175[00:45:37] <MickyW> Update: apt:amd64 (0.9.7.9+deb7u6, 0.9.7.9+deb7u7)
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• 185[00:50:23] <awal1> Why Enter, +, - and . touches of the numerical keyboard when, NumLock is off, works for some apps but not for others (in X)? Example: they work for moc and guake but not for cmus and mxrvt
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• 191[00:53:16] <cbzt> somiaj: it's not just about wanting a current DE though. the KDE debian currently uses is EOL and lost support by KDE long ago lol
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• 193[00:53:37] <cbzt> which wm do you use?
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• 195[00:53:56] <cra1g321> and yet it's more stable and less buggy than newer KDE ;)
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• 197[00:54:10] <missmbob> the debian way (tm)
• 198[00:54:11] <cbzt> of course old software is more stable
• 199[00:54:20] <cbzt> but that doesn't mean we should stick with windows xp
• 200[00:54:22] <somiaj> cbzt: that is how stable works. stable will support the version that gets frozen with debian (despite what upstream does)
• 201[00:54:25] <somiaj> cbzt: I use fvwm myself.
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• 203[00:54:33] <MickyW> somiaj: If you have one more minute: Did I understand right? You consider it possible that either during transtion to lts or alter some problem was introduces into code of apt which may have caused my problem?
• 204[00:54:56] <MickyW> alter -> after
• 205[00:55:16] <somiaj> MickyW: could be, could also be something more subtle. I personally don't have enough experience with the actual cdrom sources to know what it could be.
• 206[00:55:21] <missmbob> sns just rubs me the wrong way. testing currently has thunar with tab support. who really needs that?
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• 209[00:55:53] <somiaj> missmbob: window managers are supose to handel the tabs!! But alas every program wants to do their own tabs these days. (:
• 210[00:55:59] * awal1 thinks that somiaj may want to be involved in fvwm deb pkg maintainer(s) team :P
• 211[00:56:00] <MickyW> somiaj: Do you possibly know where to look for changes then?
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• 215[00:56:23] <somiaj> awal1: if I can find time. (:
• 216[00:56:29] <MickyW> I mean, may I see a log from the version control system (I think they use one).
• 217[00:56:34] <awal1> somiaj , :)
• 218[00:56:48] <somiaj> MickyW: as I mentioned it might be worth givnig a bug report. Though I would try with a single curret cd image to ensure it isn't the images you are using first.
• 219[00:57:19] <MickyW> somiaj: OK. Thank you so far.
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• 223[00:57:35] <MickyW> Thanks to all, which have read and answered me.
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• 256[01:12:35] <sohum> hi, I'm looking for advice on how to debug an issue with my system
• 257[01:13:42] <somiaj> please give more details
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• 259[01:14:02] <sohum> every now and then*, it freezes for most actions. usually things like typing in something on the cli is responsive, but actually running the command freezes (for all commands). similarly, switching between existing chrome tabs is responsive, but opening a new tab freezes
• 260[01:14:47] <sohum> back when I used to keep my system on all the time, this would happen regularly like clockwork at 7:35am. now that I don't, it happens more erratically, about once a day, most likely just after booting
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• 262[01:14:55] <sohum> this makes me suspect a cron/anacron job
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• 264[01:16:49] <somiaj> sohum: sounds like an io issue, maybe you are filling up your memory and using swap (check top, cat /proc/meminfo, etc). also check demsg to see if your disks are spouting out i/o errors.
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• 266[01:17:44] <sohum> a small percentage of the few occasions I've had top running before the freeze happens, I've noticed btrfs related processes spiking the cpu. so I disabled the cron.daily job for taking a system snapshot (as the only cron.whatever thing I could find that could have something to do with btrfs). this hasn't helped.
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• 268[01:18:34] <sohum> somiaj: dmesg reports no i/o errors, and I don't have a swap
• 269[01:18:56] <somiaj> that could freeze your file system. But a freeze where things in memory work fine but as soon as you request data from your drive is an i/o issue, and it could be just something is going on with the filesystem and it has deleyd actions and put them in a que.
• 270[01:19:06] <somiaj> I dn't know btrfs well enough to say much, but a snapshot or the likes could totally do that.
• 271[01:19:42] <somiaj> there is an iotop you can look at I belive to see what is reading/writing to your drive at the time
• 272[01:19:46] <sohum> yeah, that was my thought as well, but like I say, disabling that snapshot hasn't helped
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• 274[01:20:09] <sohum> I'll install iotop and see what information I can get from it
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• 277[01:21:20] <sohum> do you have any other general advice for how to debug this issue?
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• 282[01:23:32] <teraflops> sohum: behaves like run out of ram
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• 285[01:25:00] <sohum> I can totally believe that it's running out of ram
• 286[01:25:00] <sohum> I have 16gb of ram, but chrome is hungry hungry
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• 288[01:25:22] <cra1g321> i've 4GB here and all good
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• 291[01:25:54] <teraflops> sohum: just saying
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• 294[01:26:38] <teraflops> sohum: also swappiness 0 is a good idea if you don't have swap
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• 296[01:27:11] <teraflops> not related but saner imo since you do not have swap (btrfs)
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• 298[01:27:54] <teraflops> cra1g321: ssd o hdd? iotop looks like a good idea
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• 300[01:28:04] <teraflops> or*
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• 303[01:29:19] <cra1g321> i was just saying that, to make sohum aware, that it is likely not lack of RAM, or that chrome eats ram, i've got chrome, firefox, konversation, caja, mate-terminal, all open, and running less than 2GB of RAM
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• 305[01:29:38] <sohum> my swappiness appears to be 1, which is probably a mistake
• 306[01:29:55] <sohum> cra1g321: I have a very memory-hungry usage pattern of chrome with many long-running tabs :)
• 307[01:30:33] <cra1g321> i think you need to find a way to check whether its hardware or software that is to blame
• 308[01:31:23] <sohum> as in, I've seem the oom-killer in action more than a few times; I know my system does run out of memory sometimes
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• 311[01:32:04] <sohum> I'm happy to test the hypothesis that that's doing ... something ... to disk i/o and triggering freezes via swap
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• 315[01:34:29] <denken> sohum: yeah check /proc/meminfo and see if you are using all your real ram or not
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• 317[01:34:49] <n-iCe> hello, bought a new laptop, using a ssd and a sata hard drive, does debian has any issue with ssd's?
• 318[01:34:55] <denken> and check top (with some switches) to see how much swap you are using and which processes are page faulting the most
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• 320[01:35:26] <denken> n-iCe: not that ive ever heard of (depending on your definition of 'issues')
• 321[01:35:38] <awal1> sometimes my I get 100% cpu usage and system slows when using chromium+pepperflash in a few tabs, sohum
• 322[01:35:53] <MickyW> Got the solution to my problem. - Multiarch problem.
• 323[01:35:54] <awal1> - my :P
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• 325[01:35:59] <n-iCe> denken: well, does it active trim noatime by default, etc?
• 326[01:36:22] <MickyW> Juchu!
• 327[01:36:43] <denken> n-iCe: trim is filesystem dependent, last time i checked, and i dont think the installer automatically enables it (but you can always add it to /etc/fstab)
• 328[01:37:03] <denken> n-iCe: noatime is definitely an optional optimization that have to enable by hand... but that has nothing to do with ssd's
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• 330[01:37:14] <denken> well, its not ssd specific anyway
• 331[01:37:14] <n-iCe> ok
• 332[01:37:19] <n-iCe> is not?
• 333[01:37:30] <n-iCe> I keep reading ubuntu does it by default to better ssd performace etc
• 334[01:37:43] <denken> that may be, but that doesnt mean its only useful on ssd's
• 335[01:37:57] <n-iCe> ok
• 336[01:37:58] <denken> also, trim is 'discard' in /etc/fstab, fyi
• 337[01:38:20] <denken> you may need to enable it in LVM as well, if you're using it
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• 342[01:38:57] <teraflops> n-iCe: it depends on the sdd, so check it out with hdparm
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• 344[01:39:08] <denken> teraflops: that too :)
• 345[01:39:26] <teraflops> e.g sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep TRIM
• 346[01:39:48] <teraflops> Data Set Management TRIM supported (limit 2 blocks)
• 347[01:39:56] <teraflops> here^
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• 349[01:40:53] <denken> for ext filesystems, only ext4 supports trim, fyi
• 350[01:40:57] <denken> im not sure about btrfs or others
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• 352[01:41:46] <domovoy> so, the only way i can get fsdev to work correctly in mode passthrough when creating files (guest uid = host uid) is to set qemu tu run as root AND set "clear_emulator_capabilities = 0". I
• 353[01:42:10] <domovoy> tried every test from my script: replaced-url
• 354[01:42:36] <denken> hmm apparently there is periodic trim and continuous trim now
• 355[01:42:47] <denken> i need to refresh my knowledge, it seems.
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• 359[01:44:19] <domovoy> Is that the "normal" way? Doesn't seem very secure. Any other way?
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• 371[01:53:57] <sohum> okay, thanks for all your help, everyone
• 372[01:54:11] <sohum> I've got a few changes I'm now testing and I know to check iotop/etc now
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• 401[02:12:09] <hawken> My asus eee 1000HE is getting old.. On linux 3.16 (jessie kernel) it seems stable, however on linux > 4 (testing kernel for example), it seems to get hardware errors. I think they are related to the pci bus
• 402[02:12:38] <hawken> I'm thinking that maybe there have been regressions, or that more recent linux enabled some feature which didn't work well with my pc
• 403[02:13:30] <hawken> I don't know.. But since I'm using the debian kernel packages primarily I decided to come here, and maybe get some help in case I should go to the kernel developers..
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• 426[02:28:57] <ranix> you can report them in the debian tracker if you like. If you're able to root cause or partially root cause the issues it is more valuable to report them upstream so a debian contributor doesn't need to triage
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• 428[02:29:36] <ranix> it is unsurprising your legacy hardware doesn't currently work with a >4 kernel
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• 459[02:43:49] <Richard_Cavell> Is there anyone here using Debian on a 68000 based computer?
• 460[02:44:06] <abrotman> m68k ?
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• 464[02:44:30] <Richard_Cavell> Yes
• 465[02:44:37] <abrotman> Richard_Cavell: #debian-m68k on irc.oftc.net
• 466[02:44:43] <abrotman> sorry, #debian-68k
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• 515[03:13:07] <allan_wind> netinst grub-install fails with Could not prepare Boot variable: No such file or directory. Any ideas on how to fix this?
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• 518[03:14:13] <awal1> allan_wind, Stable (Jessie) installer?
• 519[03:14:27] <somiaj> allan_wind: Are you using uefi? It sounds like it from google, and it could be something wrong with your efi partition setup (is there space on your efi partition)?
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• 523[03:16:07] <somiaj> allan_wind: Some things I see are the efi partition is not mounted or efivars module is not loaded. I also saw someone with a similar error when they didn't disable secure boot (which you need to do with debian).
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• 526[03:17:00] <allan_wind> awal1: nightly testing as my hardware will not boot stable or testing netinst
• 527[03:17:33] <allan_wind> somiaj: yes, to efi, and there is space
• 528[03:17:41] <somiaj> allan_wind: secure boot is disabled?
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• 531[03:17:56] <allan_wind> somiaj: yes, otherwise you can't even boot netinst
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• 533[03:18:25] <somiaj> allan_wind: hit alt-f2 and what is the output of lsmod | grep efivars and/or ls /target/boot/efi (I think that is where it should be mounted)
• 534[03:18:36] <allan_wind> somiaj: yes, efivars is loaded
• 535[03:18:44] <allan_wind> and /target/boot/efi mounted
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• 537[03:20:22] <allan_wind> any other ideas? It seems efibootmgr is interesting, how do i get a sufficiently working chroot to run it?
• 538[03:20:23] <somiaj> allan_wind: well those are the hits I got as possible things that could cause that error. You may have to chroot /target and see if you can manually get grub to install.
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• 540[03:20:57] <allan_wind> chroot /target, yeah, need any of the mounts (sys, proc etc)?
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• 542[03:21:03] <somiaj> allan_wind: I don't know enough to know how to manually use efibootmgr to install grub64.efi in the efi partition.
• 543[03:21:14] <somiaj> allan_wind: if you are in the installer that should allready be done, you can check though.
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• 545[03:22:32] <allan_wind> chroot /target
• 546[03:22:32] <allan_wind> bin/efibootngr --verbose gives me No BootOrder is set; firmware will attempt recovery
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• 548[03:23:35] <somiaj> allan_wind: I don't know what that is saying. I would have rung grub-install as that should try to isntall grub on the efi partition and may give more output than the installer did)
• 549[03:23:49] <somiaj> allan_wind: was this efi partition already created or did you create it with the installer?
• 550[03:24:08] <hawken> ranix: Thanks for your reply.. I was thinking that it would go unanswered but didn't :) The problem with this issue is that it looks exactly like a hardware fault. It's not easy to narrow down, but it seems like the errors happen with sound card, graphics card, other things connected over pci. So that's my best guess
• 551[03:24:29] <allan_wind> somiaj: netinst created
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• 553[03:25:00] <allan_wind> somiaj: if I run chroot /target, grub-update complains about missing /proc stuff which is not mounted in the chroot
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• 557[03:25:22] <somiaj> allan_wind: then exit the chroot and mount --bind /proc /target/proc (and /dev and /sys if needed)
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• 561[03:25:57] <somiaj> allan_wind: maybe the installer failed to mount /sys (which is where efivars is mounted) causing trouble talking to efi.
• 562[03:26:06] <somiaj> allan_wind: mount it inside the chroot I mean.
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• 564[03:26:18] <allan_wind> somiaj: yeah, googled some mounts
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• 568[03:26:49] <allan_wind> last time I ran grub-install I ran it without chroot and there was an option to say where it was living... let me see if I can fin dit
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• 572[03:27:30] <somiaj> allan_wind: I would just run it from inside the chroot once you mount --bind those directoires
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• 574[03:28:01] <somiaj> but I could see not having /target/sys mounted making things not able to read the efi firmware causing the error you saw
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• 583[03:30:57] <allan_wind> somiaj: so mount --bind and ran grub-update, and it didn't complain. efibootmgr --verbose still says No BootOrder found ...
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• 585[03:31:21] <somiaj> allan_wind: that is because you want grub-install
• 586[03:31:37] <somiaj> allan_wind: grub-update just updates the grub config, doesn't actually install grub in the efi partition.
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• 588[03:32:21] <allan_wind> somiaj: what does?
• 589[03:32:35] <somiaj> allan_wind: grub-install
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• 593[03:33:18] <allan_wind> somiaj: hmm... confused
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• 595[03:33:31] <somiaj> allan_wind: run the command 'grub-install', you told me you ran the command 'grub-update'
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• 601[03:36:28] <allan_wind> somiaj: oh, sorry, typo, ran grub-install
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• 604[03:37:24] <somiaj> allan_wind: ls /boot/efi/EFI/debian (or something liek that) is grub64.efi there?
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• 607[03:38:19] <allan_wind> somiaj: grubx64.efi
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• 609[03:39:11] <somiaj> allan_wind: looks like grub is installed in the efi partition and since it didnt' give you any errors I assume it updated the efi firmware (if not you can usually manually point the efi firmware at that file)
• 610[03:39:27] <allan_wind> how?
• 611[03:39:41] <somiaj> depends on the actual firmware, you can get this to your config options at boot.
• 612[03:40:00] <somiaj> anyways, it looks like grub is installed, so you should be able to finish the install and reboot. Hope it works.
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• 616[03:40:53] <allan_wind> I am worried about the efibootmgr not giving me any output which I think is how to tell the bios what you want to boot
• 617[03:40:56] <somiaj> allan_wind: though I'm unsure why efibootmgr dosen't show anything. I see the boot order.
• 618[03:41:33] <allan_wind> could you give example output for a debian install?
• 619[03:41:36] <allan_wind> maybe I can just create it
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• 621[03:42:06] <somiaj> you can read the manpage for efibootmgr to create it yourself. I'm unsure at this point. My experience was grub-install handeled that for me.
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• 625[03:43:58] <somiaj> allan_wind: according to the manpage 'efibootmgr -c -l debian/grub64.efi' should be sufficent.
• 626[03:44:16] <allan_wind> cool, man page looked scary ;-)
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• 628[03:45:39] <allan_wind> somiaj: that gave me the same error that I got in the installer; Could not prepare Boot variable. No such file or directory
• 629[03:46:23] <somiaj> allan_wind: on my system I see three files in /boot/efi/EFI/debian, grubx64.efi initrd.img and vmlinuz
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• 631[03:46:42] <somiaj> allan_wind: also seems I didn't list the name correct, it should be grub64x.efi, maybe that will fix it.
• 632[03:47:04] <allan_wind> yeah, I already used the right file, don't have other files in my dir
• 633[03:47:11] <somiaj> allan_wind: also what partition is your efi partition. it is /dev/sda1 here.
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• 636[03:47:36] <allan_wind> same
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• 638[03:49:17] <allan_wind> strace tells me it is looking for /sys/firmware/eti/etivars/Boot*
• 639[03:49:25] <allan_wind> my etivars directory is empty
• 640[03:49:53] <somiaj> allan_wind: mount | grep efi, is the efivars parititon mounted?
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• 645[03:50:15] <k_sze[work]> My colleague did something really stupid.
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• 650[03:50:32] <k_sze[work]> He shutdown a NFS storage server while it's still mounted by another server via autofs
• 651[03:50:39] <allan_wind> somiaj: no, what should it be?
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• 654[03:51:03] <somiaj> allan_wind: efivarfs on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivarfs, that might be what is missing. Exit the chroot and mount the efivars partition. One second
• 655[03:51:12] <k_sze[work]> I booted up the NFS storage server again, but the other still server is still stuck when trying to access that NFS volume.
• 656[03:51:20] <k_sze[work]> How can I "un-stick" it?
• 657[03:51:36] <somiaj> allan_wind: mount -t efivars efivars /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
• 658[03:51:39] <k_sze[work]> umount -lf and umount -f don't seem to help.
• 659[03:52:24] <allan_wind> k_sze[work]: what about seeing if anyone have files open to the mount point that went away?
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• 661[03:52:58] <allan_wind> k_sze[work]: there is a timeout, I think, two diff ways to mount if I recall
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• 664[03:54:27] <allan_wind> somiaj: mount fails. no such device
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• 666[03:56:26] <k_sze[work]> allan_wind: There are probably open file handles, but I can't tell now with `lsof +D`, because that get's stuck, too.
• 667[03:56:32] <k_sze[work]> oh wait
• 668[03:56:33] <k_sze[work]> it's not
• 669[03:56:48] <k_sze[work]> ok, it's finally unstucked.
• 670[03:56:51] <somiaj> allan_wind: and the efivars module is loaded?
• 671[03:57:00] <allan_wind> somiaj: yes
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• 673[03:57:42] <somiaj> allan_wind: not sure what the issue is, but you did track it down. Unsure why you can't mount the efivars. Though it looks like it is mostly setup, you can point to grubx64.efi from your firmware I belive (on mine I can)
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• 678[04:00:25] <allan_wind> somiaj: nothing shows up in the bios if that is what you mean with firmware
• 679[04:00:42] <allan_wind> I see -t efivarfs none as mount options
• 680[04:00:48] <allan_wind> doesn't work either though
• 681[04:01:16] <somiaj> allan_wind: on my firmware when I load it, I can go through its menus and actually browse the efi partition and choose an .efi file.
• 682[04:01:50] <allan_wind> somiaj: oh... I didn't see what. What box do you have?
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• 686[04:03:20] <somiaj> allan_wind: some asus motherboard/firmware.
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• 688[04:04:01] <somiaj> allan_wind: anyways something is not working with efi and the setup you have. Unsure why you cannot mount the efivars partition. check dmesg after y ou run that mount ocmmand to look for errors
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• 697[04:07:38] <allan_wind> somiaj: thx for all your help
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• 732[04:29:34] <solrize> does anything bad happen if i delete the .debs in /var/cache/apt/archive ?
• 733[04:29:40] <solrize> they are eating a lot of disk
• 734[04:29:44] <somiaj> solrize: apt-get clean
• 735[04:29:49] <solrize> oh thanks
• 736[04:29:54] <solrize> didn't know about that
• 737[04:29:56] <somiaj> solrize: you just won't have a backup and will have to download them again if needed
• 738[04:30:02] <solrize> sok
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• 740[04:30:10] <somiaj> solrize: there is alos apt-get autoclean if you are on testing/unstable and want to keep the most recent versions
• 741[04:30:11] <allan_wind> solrize: apt-get clean
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• 743[04:30:37] <solrize> i'm on wheezy but will upgrade at some point
• 744[04:31:02] <solrize> dist-upgrade seems to lock up my machine so i'll have to move off the user files and reinstall
• 745[04:31:28] <somiaj> !tell solrize about wheezy->jessie
• 746[04:31:36] <missmbob> why are you using dist-upgrade on olstable if you dont mean to dist-upgrade in the first place?
• 747[04:31:39] <allan_wind> solrize: why does it lock up your machine? that's not normal
• 748[04:31:41] <missmbob> oldstable*
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• 750[04:32:02] <solrize> i never really understood or tried to diagnose it
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• 752[04:32:33] <solrize> it's happened several times.... it's been on small vps so not that big a problem to reinstall. but i couldn't log in, so had to exfiltrate the files by scp from another machine
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• 755[04:33:09] <solrize> i have a much bigger server also on 7 so i'm afraid to distupgrade and migrating the files will be something of a hassle because there's around 2.5TB
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• 760[04:33:42] <solrize> if anyone has any ideas i'm interested
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• 762[04:34:16] <missmbob> solrize: not without you showing us what happened
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• 764[04:34:50] <solrize> ok ;). i'll try it again and log everything. (small vps so if it messes up i'll be able to recover)
• 765[04:34:51] <solrize> thanks
• 766[04:35:02] <allan_wind> solrize: one idea to troubleshoot is to (sys)log to another system
• 767[04:35:14] <solrize> hmm how do i do that?
• 768[04:35:38] <solrize> well i'll look at the syslog docs
• 769[04:35:40] <allan_wind> solrize: if you have another machine, it's fairly easy to setup but details depend on the actual syslog you use (rsyslog, syslog-ng, etc)
• 770[04:35:43] <missmbob> that's so far removed from where you should start to diagnose a dist-upgrade problem...
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• 772[04:36:04] <allan_wind> missmbob: if it freezes and he has no info at least he will have some data
• 773[04:36:12] <missmbob> allan_wind: you don't know that
• 774[04:36:19] <solrize> well when it freezes i just can't ssh in, i can still scp
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• 778[04:36:43] <allan_wind> missmbob: know what?
• 779[04:37:01] <missmbob> allan_wind: obviously it's still up and functioning if he can scp. so your premise is false
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• 782[04:37:48] <jmcnaught> solrize: are you talking about apt-get freezing while it calculates the upgrade (before it prompts you to continue)? or while the packages are being upgraded?
• 783[04:37:55] <allan_wind> missmbob: that there is no debug data? oh... yeah, I guess you can just scp /var/log on the machine when he can't get in to see what is going on. My guess, out of mem
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• 785[04:38:11] <missmbob> allan_wind: he just hasnt given us enough data yet
• 786[04:38:17] <allan_wind> missmbob: ok
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• 792[04:39:26] <solrize> during upgrade i think. it's been a couple months since i did it last
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• 794[04:39:43] <solrize> i mean the upgrade has already run a fair amount or even completed
• 795[04:39:53] <solrize> but the system is then messed up
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• 797[04:40:25] <solrize> i'll do it again and have a more precise description if there's a similar failure
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• 801[04:40:38] <jmcnaught> solrize: do you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes? also some types of "VPS" are really just containers and might not run a kernel recent enough for jessie
• 802[04:41:00] <solrize> it's openvz and i've installed jessie from scratch
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• 805[04:43:49] <solrize> ok here goes. update in progress
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• 809[04:44:15] <solrize> dist-upgrade
• 810[04:44:16] <missmbob> solrize: i would've liked to see sources.list and the upgrade command (with what it'd do) first :P
• 811[04:44:30] <missmbob> solrize: you made a snapshot?
• 812[04:44:40] <solrize> of sources.list?
• 813[04:44:53] <missmbob> no. the vps
• 814[04:44:59] <solrize> nah
• 815[04:45:06] <solrize> nothing real important on it
• 816[04:45:07] <missmbob> awesome
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• 819[04:45:47] <missmbob> wanna pastebin anything or not really?
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• 822[04:46:41] <solrize> it just finished downloading packages (200MB) and is popping dialogues, which i guess is usual. i'll see if anything surprising happens
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• 824[04:46:56] <missmbob> so no. so we can't help. great.
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• 826[04:47:16] <missmbob> time for a smoke then
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• 828[04:47:29] <solrize> it's asking whether to restart services after upgrading them, one by one.... i think last time i said "don't restart them" figuring i'd just reboot at the end
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• 830[04:47:32] <solrize> was that an error?
• 831[04:47:56] <solrize> oh i see, it was going to prompt for everything otherwise
• 832[04:47:59] <solrize> so i told it to upgrade
• 833[04:48:03] <solrize> i mean restart
• 834[04:48:04] <jmcnaught> solrize: did you start this in a screen or tmux session?
• 835[04:48:14] <solrize> no maybe i should have done that
• 836[04:48:27] <solrize> so far it's just doing normal upgrade stuff
• 837[04:48:48] <jmcnaught> solrize: best practice is to follow the instructions in the release notes, which recommends running in a screen session among other things
• 838[04:48:58] <solrize> hmm ok good idea
• 839[04:49:34] <solrize> i remember when i did a normal upgrade it listed several packages held back
• 840[04:49:37] <solrize> a while ago
• 841[04:50:01] <missmbob> which is why i asked for sources.list and what it would do. everything.
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• 843[04:50:19] <jmcnaught> solrize: that kind of thing happens, can't really tell you more than that without the details
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• 845[04:50:53] <solrize> deb replaced-url
• 846[04:50:53] <solrize> deb replaced-url
• 847[04:50:53] <solrize> deb replaced-url
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• 849[04:50:56] <solrize> that's sources.list
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• 851[04:51:00] <solrize> after changing wheezy to jessie
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• 860[04:56:02] <solrize> hmm ok, distupgrade finished. my ssh session still works fine, but when i try to open a new one it says
• 861[04:56:03] <solrize> PTY allocation request failed on channel 0
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• 863[04:56:20] <solrize> that's what happened before iirc
• 864[04:56:30] <missmbob> solrize: can you ssh into a new session?
• 865[04:56:35] <solrize> so i couldn't log in, but could scp stuff off
• 866[04:56:40] <solrize> no i get that error
• 867[04:56:44] <solrize> i still have an active session
• 868[04:57:11] <missmbob> solrize: are you using something on top of ssh such as mosh?
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• 871[04:57:41] <solrize> durng upgrade it asked whether to replace /etc/init/networking.conf from defaults, and there were some diffs... i figured the existing setup i had was from openvz so i said keep it.... no just plain ssh
• 872[04:57:42] <enthdegree> hi all
• 873[04:57:47] <enthdegree> i have a really bad issue
• 874[04:57:50] <solrize> hi enthdegree
• 875[04:58:15] <enthdegree> all instances of gnome-terminal crash when i run ps ax
• 876[04:58:22] <enthdegree> or when i go fullscreen, or resize the text too large
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• 878[04:58:38] <missmbob> enthdegree: stretch?
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• 880[04:59:09] <enthdegree> actually, any command that displays more than one page of data crashes all instances of g-t
• 881[04:59:18] <solrize> yow
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• 883[04:59:36] <enthdegree> i installed debian because i thought it was stable
• 884[04:59:44] <enthdegree> wtf are these problems, i havent changed any default settings
• 885[05:01:28] <missmbob> so not going to answer?
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• 891[05:05:14] <solrize> i've never seen anything like that
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• 893[05:06:05] <solrize> hmm i typed "gnome-terminal crash" into duckduckgo and got a number of hits that might be relevant
• 894[05:07:15] <missmbob> solrize: it's a stretch/testing thing. i was going to answer him but he decided not to listen
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• 896[05:07:44] <solrize> oh
• 897[05:07:56] <solrize> hmm
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• 899[05:08:56] <solrize> replaced-url
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• 913[05:16:24] <solrize> welp i gotta run a few errands... bbl.... thanks for the help so far
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• 916[05:17:38] <evilgry> how do i switch from systemd init to upstart in debian jessie? i installed 'upstart' and rebooted, the system is unreachable (its a vps) and sshd isn't started. same with upstart-sysv
• 917[05:17:51] <evilgry> is just installing them enough? or i have to alter another setting?
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• 921[05:21:43] <BishamonX> Hey, guys. Back again with another noobish question :P. How can I ask the SMPlayer maintainer on Debian to attempt pushing for a newer version on Stretch before the freeze?
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• 926[05:26:40] <random_numbers> Is there a way to move stable to newer kernel versions without then needed to constantly recompile and install the kernel manually?
• 927[05:26:53] <random_numbers> s/then needed/then needing/
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• 929[05:28:37] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell random_numbers about debian-backports
• 930[05:28:47] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell random_numbers about bdo kernel
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• 933[05:30:08] <random_numbers> backports does kernel tracking? Oh that's neat.
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• 936[05:30:50] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: newer kernels get added to backports, but they aren't as well tested or security supported as the stock jessie kernel
• 937[05:31:17] <random_numbers> Are security-supported at all?
• 938[05:31:57] <random_numbers> Are they*
• 939[05:32:16] <jmcnaught> in practice backports kernels get updated pretty frequently, but backports are not covered by the Debian security team
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• 943[05:33:16] <mrtrump> why dont they just us up to date package
• 944[05:33:20] <mrtrump> and forget backporting
• 945[05:33:48] <jmcnaught> evilgry: did you look at replaced-url
• 946[05:34:36] <jmcnaught> mrtrump: Debian stable is primarily for people who don't want their system to change all the time.
• 947[05:34:46] <mrtrump> hmm
• 948[05:34:58] <mrtrump> fair enuf
• 949[05:35:37] <jmcnaught> like sysadmins who don't want to have to fix stuff that gets broken by new features.. or desktop users who have more important work to do than dealing with config changes for new versions of stuff
• 950[05:35:39] <random_numbers> I was maybe thinking of upgrading it because I remember a livecd of a newer distro supporting my bluetooth card fine, whereas jessie says a patch failed, everytime I boot.
• 951[05:35:43] <mrtrump> what is the opinion of best file system and io sched combo for a 4 real disk raid 10 on a server? the app is a heavy read write perl datacruncher with 1-4 threads
• 952[05:35:52] <random_numbers> It's an ath3k or some such.
• 953[05:35:53] <mrtrump> raid controller
• 954[05:36:34] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: do you just need a firmware? "dmesg | grep firmware"
• 955[05:37:02] <random_numbers> firmware: failed to load ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu
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• 958[05:37:22] <mrtrump> oh can I get reiserfs on debian? I think I had trouble on 8.6...
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• 961[05:40:15] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: you need to install the package firmware-atheros from non-free
• 962[05:40:25] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: replaced-url
• 963[05:40:54] <random_numbers> Ah, there's no free drivers for it anywhere?
• 964[05:41:12] <jmcnaught> mrtrump: my general policy is to go with defaults unless i have a good reason, so i'd probably just use ext4
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• 967[05:41:20] <jmcnaught> random_numbers: the drivers are free, the firmware is not
• 968[05:41:28] <somiaj> random_numbers: the driver is open, so the code in the kernel is open, but it requires non-free frimware from the manufacture to run.
• 969[05:42:04] <random_numbers> Wait. The kernel is attempting to reflash the chip each time it loads?
• 970[05:42:15] <somiaj> mrtrump: I also thought reiserfs isn't used/developed/supported that much these days. Many seem to be using btrfs, though ext4 unless you need those extra features.
• 971[05:42:38] <somiaj> random_numbers: no, the driver reads firmware from a file. This way if the manfacture needs to update the firmware, you don't need to flash the chip, just update the file.
• 972[05:43:22] <random_numbers> I see. Makes me wonder how the chip is made to use that instead of what's in its memory.
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• 975[05:47:37] <jelly> random_numbers: typically there is no persistent memory to keep the whole fw in the "chip" _at all_, just a small bit to enable loading it from outside on each boot
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• 977[05:48:57] <random_numbers> Oh, so it'd really just contain an identifier and regardless of the os, the firmware would always be external and just loaded from distributed firmware images?
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• 980[05:51:08] <jelly> those images usually come with vendor's driver. Linux is kind of special because linux users sometimes care which parts are free software and which are not
• 981[05:51:54] <jelly> but yes, that's the gist
• 982[05:52:13] <random_numbers> Alright, thanks.
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• 984[05:53:15] <random_numbers> Hm, how do the restrictions on what it can and can't touch on the system administrated? Should I be concerned it's a blob?
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• 991[05:55:02] <kill9> I currently have RHEL installed, if I download a Debian install cd, does the installer have the capability to partition the drive to dualboot? It currently has grub2. Will it install over it, recognize both and make it easier for me?
• 992[05:56:03] <somiaj> kill9: the installer in expermode can do all of that. You can either choose to install grub from debian, or skip that set and let rhel manage grub.
• 993[05:56:19] <somiaj> kill9: though you may have to muck around with rhel when you reboot the installer into the os.
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• 995[05:57:13] <somiaj> kill9: also if you already have the partions (or even filesystems) created to install debian on, you can skip those steps. You just need to decide which os you want to control grub if you want just a signle boot loader.
• 996[05:57:16] <kill9> if I install grub during the debian install, will it recognize both RHEL and Debian?
• 997[05:57:47] <somiaj> kill9: you may have to additionally install the package os-prober after the isntall is complete. But I belive the installer may do this (I am not sure)
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• 999[05:58:27] <kill9> Sweet thank you. Ill look more
• 1000[05:58:58] <somiaj> kill9: just use the expert install mode if you want to ensure you have more advanted features available.
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• 1006[06:02:11] <mrtrump> I want reiser3
• 1007[06:02:16] <mrtrump> no?
• 1008[06:02:25] <mrtrump> reiserfstools was the thingy
• 1009[06:02:42] <mrtrump> best perf for lots of files
• 1010[06:02:44] <mrtrump> :)
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• 1012[06:03:28] <Rusty1_> !reiser
• 1013[06:03:28] <dpkg> ReiserFS version 3 (aka Reiser3) is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. Ask me about <ext3>, <jfs> and <xfs> for safer filesystems. See also <reiserfs d-i>, <ext3 vs reiserfs>, <rfstool>, <reiser4>.
• 1014[06:03:56] <random_numbers> Well anyway, thanks for the answers.
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• 1016[06:04:17] <kill9> somiaj: yea i will
• 1017[06:05:23] <mrtrump> I never had a crash
• 1018[06:05:27] <mrtrump> with reiser
• 1019[06:05:51] <mrtrump> hmm
• 1020[06:06:04] <mrtrump> then again I never had any linux filesystem crash on me
• 1021[06:06:08] <mrtrump> hmmmm
• 1022[06:06:31] <mrtrump> xfs I worked at a place that it blew up under mysql nuking the whole enchilada
• 1023[06:06:34] <kill9> they were fairly common with ext2
• 1024[06:06:36] <mrtrump> jfs dunno
• 1025[06:07:14] <stoned> I use only xfs and zfs
• 1026[06:07:21] <jelly> xfs got better and has a working fsck. reiser never did gain that
• 1027[06:07:24] <stoned> If there was a yfs, I'd use that too
• 1028[06:07:35] <stoned> xyz!
• 1029[06:08:02] <mrtrump> sue everybody!
• 1030[06:08:28] <stoned> huh
• 1031[06:08:44] <pingfloyd> reiserfs is murder to data
• 1032[06:09:00] <cast> used reiser3 for years without isssue, curiously used jfs2 for weeks and lost data twice
• 1033[06:09:09] <jelly> mrtrump: you will find this channel works better with specific inquiries, not polls
• 1034[06:09:25] <stoned> pingfloyd: only to data?
• 1035[06:09:29] <mrtrump> very good my good man, I shall proceed in such a noble vein
• 1036[06:09:34] <pingfloyd> I bet Hans is a great wife to someone
• 1037[06:09:36] <stoned> Zing!
• 1038[06:09:39] <jelly> you want polls, ask in ##linux
• 1039[06:09:42] <mrtrump> free hans
• 1040[06:09:46] <stoned> Shhh.
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• 1043[06:10:01] <mrtrump> disbar all lawyers who steal mens money to give to wives in divorce, forcing men to go nutbar
• 1044[06:10:09] <stoned> Knock it off.
• 1045[06:10:17] <mrtrump> end mararige then look at tax returns for each person and divide money that way
• 1046[06:10:18] <mrtrump> done
• 1047[06:10:20] <jelly> *cough* or #debian-offtopic *cough*
• 1048[06:10:20] <mrtrump> :)
• 1049[06:10:30] <mrtrump> linux booted me
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• 1052[06:10:42] <stoned> Don't be a tool, then.
• 1053[06:10:48] <mrtrump> im trying
• 1054[06:11:02] <jelly> and you're not far from being booted from here as well, so keep it to tech support or stay quiet
• 1055[06:11:23] <evilgry> or come back to the channel which is smaller but does not kick you out
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• 1059[06:12:07] <mrtrump> you
• 1060[06:12:07] <pingfloyd> mrtrump: I don't think you'll have to worry about marriage
• 1061[06:12:19] <mrtrump> dang right
• 1062[06:12:24] <mrtrump> I refused two 10s
• 1063[06:12:29] <mrtrump> one a doc :)
• 1064[06:12:34] <pingfloyd> first you have to find a woman that likes you
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• 1067[06:12:39] <mrtrump> had many
• 1068[06:12:41] <mrtrump> always do
• 1069[06:12:46] <jelly> mrtrump, pingfloyd: really. #debian-offtopic, not here
• 1070[06:12:51] <mrtrump> had two 7 year relationships with gorgeous women
• 1071[06:12:53] <mrtrump> tall
• 1072[06:12:54] <mrtrump> busty
• 1073[06:13:00] <stoned> I like stable for the stability
• 1074[06:13:01] <mrtrump> im 6-6 blue eyes white guy with dark hair
• 1075[06:13:09] <mrtrump> women adore me n fall at my feeet
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• 1078[06:13:12] <stoned> I think my recent crashes are due to very old hardware
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• 1081[06:13:46] <pingfloyd> stoned: I'm kind of surprised, because I've found that debian stable is more friendly to older hardware than most dists
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• 1083[06:13:54] <stoned> I need a triple head gpu. Having to use multiple gpu is proving to be a hassle.
• 1084[06:14:03] <stoned> Well, sure. It is.
• 1085[06:14:05] <stoned> *nod*
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• 1088[06:14:24] <stoned> I am having to use nvidia gtx 275 + 8400GS to drive a bunch of monitors.
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• 1090[06:14:31] <stoned> I boke up my 6 mon setup
• 1091[06:14:34] <stoned> broke*
• 1092[06:14:38] <stoned> multple rooms
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• 1096[06:15:16] <stoned> OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.6-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3775.315 MHz)-Processes: 635-Uptime: 1d 14h 10m-Users: 2-Load Average: 0.04-Memory Usage: 2858.44MB/8002.49MB (-79.96%)-Disk Usage: 3392.20GB/3734.40GB (90.84%)
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• 1099[06:15:27] <stoned> Q9550, DDR2, etc. etc.
• 1100[06:15:54] <stoned> I think it has to do with my gfx card (the old 8400GS), or could be the gtx 275 too. *shrug*
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• 1104[06:18:18] <jelly> mrtrump: 10 minutes cool down, do try to keep it to debian support questions in here, not ramblings about your beautiful blue eyes
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• 1107[06:19:58] <pingfloyd> the one issue I can't put my finger on is why sometimes flash causes firefox to freeze up completely when running firefox through firejail.
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• 1109[06:20:18] <stoned> When I set ZFS_MOUNT to yes and reboot the system, pool is not mounted and even it's lost from pools list (look at my 1st post), so I need to import it again.
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• 1111[06:20:40] <stoned> zpool/media on /home/stoned/media type zfs (rw,relatime,xattr,noacl)
• 1112[06:20:52] <stoned> must manually do zfs mount zpool/media
• 1113[06:20:59] <stoned> Starting to make me not stoned. Ugh.
• 1114[06:21:22] <stoned> Stupid zfs on linux!
• 1115[06:21:24] * stoned shakes a fist
• 1116[06:21:47] <somiaj> pingfloyd: are you using the old adobe flash or pepperflash?
• 1117[06:22:16] <pingfloyd> somiaj: I'm using the one from update-flashplugin-nonfree
• 1118[06:22:35] <somiaj> pingfloyd: that is the old one, it could jsut be old enough it is having trouble. There is a wrapper for pepperflash.
• 1119[06:22:42] <pingfloyd> freshplayer has even more issue for me
• 1120[06:22:58] <pingfloyd> like I could never get hardware decoding working with the pepperflash wrapper unfortunately
• 1121[06:23:09] <stoned> I also asked #zfsonlinux but let's see. *Jeopardy music*
• 1122[06:23:15] <somiaj> pingfloyd: I use chromium so I haven't tried it.
• 1123[06:23:16] <pingfloyd> wish I could
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• 1125[06:23:36] <stoned> somiaj: how do you get netpoop to work in chromium?
• 1126[06:23:36] <pingfloyd> chromium, with either, will only get hardware rendering, but never hardware encoding for me
• 1127[06:23:40] <somiaj> pingfloyd: just a thought. Unsure what the problem could be. Do you get the crashes if you don't use the jail.
• 1128[06:23:54] <somiaj> stoned: I don't use it.
• 1129[06:23:56] <pingfloyd> somiaj: yeah, I think that's related
• 1130[06:23:57] <stoned> I am using chrome becauase of that silly Widewine p lugin crap.
• 1131[06:23:59] <stoned> ahh.
• 1132[06:24:10] <stoned> I like netpoop movies. It's cheap.
• 1133[06:24:16] <pingfloyd> somiaj: because without firejail, flash itself will sometimes crash, but then it can just be reloaded and doesn't affect firefox at all
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• 1135[06:24:28] <somiaj> oh netflix and wildvine. I watch netflix on a ruku, so rarely load up chrome to do it on my desktop.
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• 1137[06:24:43] <stoned> aha, yeah. I call it netpoop
• 1138[06:24:44] <pingfloyd> that is, it just shows the button for "reload" for flash in firefox, without using firejail.
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• 1140[06:25:19] <pingfloyd> flash is buggy crap, but I can't get hardware decoding and hardware rendering to work right with html5 :(
• 1141[06:25:42] <stoned> If it wasn't for netflix, I wouldn't even use a gui browser. elinks is just fine for me.
• 1142[06:25:50] <pingfloyd> the ultimate would be getting hardware rendering and decoding working in html5
• 1143[06:25:53] <stoned> I get my youtube stuff with smtube
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• 1146[06:26:01] <stoned> and browser can remain flash and crap free
• 1147[06:26:01] <noob> Can anyone help me with an apt-get error?
• 1148[06:26:05] <stoned> noob: ask
• 1149[06:26:19] <noob> After apt-get completes it throws "dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'libxi6:amd64' is missing final newline E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)"
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• 1151[06:26:36] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 1152[06:26:36] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1160[06:30:27] <mrtrump> whats the biggest postgresql you have seen on deb?
• 1161[06:30:35] <noob> replaced-url
• 1162[06:30:37] <noob> good?
• 1163[06:31:12] <jelly> noob: also the full output of that "apt-get install tor" thing you did
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• 1167[06:32:02] <jelly> noob: but anyway, you seem to be on kali not Debian. Ask in their channel how to proceed, maybe reinstalling libxi6, maybe something else
• 1168[06:32:08] <jelly> !kali
• 1169[06:32:08] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1175[06:39:07] <mrtrump> if firefox says sqlite is not linked....
• 1176[06:39:10] <mrtrump> correctly
• 1177[06:39:18] <mrtrump> jeesh I dont wana recompile firefox
• 1178[06:39:56] <jmcnaught> mrtrump: you really shouldn't need to recompile firefox
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• 1180[06:40:26] <gry> someone is just pulling your leg
• 1181[06:40:37] <gry> they're not really using sql or firefox
• 1182[06:41:06] <mrtrump> people are out to get me
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• 1194[06:48:42] <ranix> it's because of your racist frog meme
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• 1196[06:48:58] <mrtrump> what frog ?
• 1197[06:49:06] <mrtrump> and how is a frog racist?
• 1198[06:49:08] <ranix> sorry, joking about your name
• 1199[06:49:19] <mrtrump> I heard something about frog
• 1200[06:49:25] <mrtrump> pepe the frog or something
• 1201[06:49:29] <mrtrump> why is it racist?
• 1202[06:49:53] <ranix> it's very funny, we can discuss in the offtopic channel or just search for american news articles about pepe the frog
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• 1207[06:53:09] <ranix> I have a question for the channel actually. Recently I had a mysql server that had a poor configuration and was writing too many small writes to my disk. When the database became very large / busy, mysql started consuming 100% of the disk with these little writes. When I enabled caching so it did fewer large writes that resolved the issue.
• 1208[06:53:24] <ranix> the problem is, the only way I knew it was mysql was because it happened to be one of the big things this server was doing
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• 1210[06:53:37] <ranix> I couldn't figure out a way to find out what process was actually eating the disk
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• 1212[06:54:06] <ranix> does anyone know the right way to investigate that
• 1213[06:54:09] <jmcnaught> ranix: did you look at iotop?
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• 1216[06:55:09] <ranix> yeah, something was wrong with the way it displays output if I recall
• 1217[06:55:22] <ranix> like it displays processes at the top of the list which are writing lots of bytes
• 1218[06:55:29] <ranix> and not which are causing a lot of iowait
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• 1221[06:57:00] <ranix> I'm not intimate with iotop though, maybe there's a better way to display it
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• 1228[07:01:57] <mrtrump> I have been hacking on amriadb
• 1229[07:02:11] <mrtrump> mariadb lately, did you use mysqltuner.pl?
• 1230[07:02:37] <mrtrump> The innoDB buffer is most important, and should be in 1G segments
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• 1232[07:02:46] <mrtrump> after that remove everything to defaults
• 1233[07:02:53] <mrtrump> and maybe add join buffer 1G
• 1234[07:03:11] <mrtrump> put thread cache 256
• 1235[07:03:22] <mrtrump> at that point your 90% there
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• 1262[07:17:25] <n-iCe> has Debian any issues with ssd's ?
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• 1265[07:18:13] <somiaj> n-iCe: works just fine here and from what I hear most modern ssd's don't need the defaults changed.
• 1266[07:18:39] <somiaj> n-iCe: but there are some modifications you can do to mount options and the likes on ssds to increase life (though I don't think it is as important as it was when ssds first came out)
• 1267[07:18:52] <SwedeMike> n-iCe: well, some SSDs might have problems with TRIM, I recommend to run "relatime" in fstab on ssd filesystems, but apart from that, no issues really.
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• 1270[07:19:48] <isuckatlinux> is it possible to run php scripts in terminal without php installed?
• 1271[07:20:16] <somiaj> isuckatlinux: no. But there is a php-cli you can install that can run php sripts form the command line.
• 1272[07:20:24] <isuckatlinux> eh cant. apt-get broke
• 1273[07:20:44] <somiaj> sounds like you should fix apt
• 1274[07:20:54] <isuckatlinux> thats what im trying to do lol
• 1275[07:21:02] <n-iCe> somiaj: well, I don't know if y ssd is that modern, otherwise, which changes should I made?
• 1276[07:21:02] <isuckatlinux> kali-linux freenode is dead
• 1277[07:21:04] <somiaj> you shoudln't need to run a php script to do that.
• 1278[07:21:25] <somiaj> isuckatlinux: if running kali, you need to use their support. I think their forums are more active than irc.
• 1279[07:21:48] <somiaj> n-iCe: as SwedeMike mentioned, trim and difernt options can help. I'd have to look them up.
• 1280[07:22:01] <n-iCe> somiaj: did you use that?
• 1281[07:22:54] <somiaj> n-iCe: replaced-url
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• 1298[07:38:49] <hiya> What would be the best player for Debian to play a .mts video file?
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• 1300[07:39:40] <somiaj> hiya: does the player you usally use work?
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• 1304[07:40:45] <hiya> somiaj, Smplayer works but when I fast forward etc it does not work :( its a 22 GB file though?
• 1305[07:41:03] <hiya> like when I switch from x secs to xx:yy mm:ss it stops
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• 1307[07:41:17] <hiya> does not crash or anything but video stops and then you have to play from beginning
• 1308[07:41:52] <baum> my system just crashed after about ~2 months uptime, however i can't find anything in the logs (dmesg, Xorg.log, messages, syslog) by chance someone got an idea how to find the cause?
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• 1310[07:42:22] <somiaj> hiya: unsure if another player would stop that. There is also mpv, mplayer2, vlc, etc
• 1311[07:42:25] <baum> (by crash i mean that the computer was shut down this morning)
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• 1314[07:42:54] <hiya> somiaj, I think it could be the file size right?
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• 1316[07:43:09] <hiya> I am accessing it over USB 3.0 from an external HDD
• 1317[07:43:18] <somiaj> hiya: could be, I think you have to be able to index the file to move forward/backwards. You might be able to sned command line options to start at a certain point.
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• 1319[07:43:47] <baum> nvm, just realized it was a power outage
• 1320[07:44:02] <somiaj> baum: a crash wouldn't shut down the computer. It would still be running in a frozen state.
• 1321[07:44:11] <hiya> somiaj, I would copy the file on my laptop's HDD and see if it would work
• 1322[07:44:13] <somiaj> well it mostly wouldn't. Some mobos will shutthem selves down if they overheat
• 1323[07:44:42] <baum> somiaj: good to know thanks
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• 1440[08:49:26] <berger> hi hello can someone here please explain to me how to install debian 8 in an .iso when it says it needs the requirements of a driver for network hardware insatall?
• 1441[08:49:51] <berger> specifically rt2870.bin
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• 1450[08:52:13] <jmcnaught> berger: this chapter of the install manual explains the issue, links to a firmwares you can put on another USB stick and also an ISO with the firmwares included: replaced-url
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• 1455[08:52:44] <berger> thanks
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• 1462[08:55:54] <percY-> anyone run into any issues like this? replaced-url
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• 1464[08:57:49] <jmcnaught> percY-: are you using any DKMS packages?
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• 1467[08:58:10] <percY-> dkms is installed
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• 1469[08:58:49] <jmcnaught> percY-: what does "dpkg -l | grep dkms" say?
• 1470[08:59:16] <percY-> dkms , spl-dkms, zfs-dkms
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• 1473[09:00:21] <jmcnaught> ,v zfs-dkms
• 1474[09:00:22] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1
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• 1476[09:00:34] <jmcnaught> percY-: that's in backports now, you don't need to use a third party repo
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• 1479[09:01:38] <jmcnaught> percY-: i don't have any packages that use DKMS, but you could read that file /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms and try to determine where that dkms.conf file is supposed to come from
• 1480[09:01:44] <percY-> im not using a 3rd party repo
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• 1482[09:01:59] <percY-> based on sources.list
• 1483[09:02:17] <jmcnaught> percY-: replaced-url
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• 1487[09:02:30] <percY-> ahhhh
• 1488[09:02:40] <jmcnaught> percY-: that might not be the cause of the issue, i was just pointing out that it's available in backports now
• 1489[09:02:42] <percY-> i guess zfsonlinux did add a .list
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• 1596[09:44:22] <derp341> welp, I give up. The most recent version of Debian is just not gonna install properly on this used PC I've rebuilt.
• 1597[09:44:42] <derp341> anyone that helped me, thanks.
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• 1629[09:56:27] <catbeard> hey so does iptables-persistent on debian 8.6 x86_64 have an ipset option?
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• 1682[10:25:19] <kyshtynbai> Hi guys! Debian 8 stable. Something is constantly overwriting my resolv.conf. a-w does help but only until next reboot. How do I change this behavior?
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• 1688[10:27:17] <kyshtynbai> FinalX, thanks
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• 1725[10:50:19] <du5tball> hi there. is it possible to install only selected packages from the backports, but not update anything else from there?
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• 1728[10:50:46] <du5tball> oh. i think i found it
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• 1730[10:50:59] <TomTomTosch> that's the default situation.
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• 1732[10:52:04] <TomTomTosch> backports is pinned lower. you can check with 'apt-cache policy'. backports is pinned at 100 while other repos are at 500.
• 1733[10:52:53] <du5tball> yeah, found the googles for it right after i asked.. sorry, i don't seem to be fully awake yet
• 1734[10:53:16] <babilen> Which is mostly due to the combination of "NotAutomatic: yes" and "ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes" (cf. apt_preferences(5))
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• 1794[11:26:47] <boxrick1> Could someone tell me any advantages to running PVS on top of MDADM rather than simply native LVM ?
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• 1796[11:26:57] <boxrick1> Assuming RAID 1
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• 1806[11:32:03] <jorgebueno> hi all. I have a user with sudo in a server and I want to rsync files against that server but in the destination I need root permission
• 1807[11:32:12] <jorgebueno> is it possible to do that¿
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• 1814[11:39:28] <ksk> nope
• 1815[11:40:05] <ksk> you can sync them to where sudo-user has access to, loginto the machine, copy the files over to /root or wherever
• 1816[11:40:13] <du5tball> fun issue: the documentation on backports is wrong. replaced-url
• 1817[11:41:00] <TomTomTosch> du5tball: man apt-get [-t=target_release]
• 1818[11:41:12] <ksk> du5tball: they do have the -t flag.
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• 1824[11:43:58] <du5tball> "aptitude -t=jessie-backports install letsecnrypt" results in "E: The value '=jessie-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources", as does without the = sign
• 1825[11:44:12] <du5tball> what the..
• 1826[11:44:17] <du5tball> okay, works. thanks
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• 1831[11:46:10] <jorgebueno> ksk: OK, thanks.
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• 1838[11:48:59] <pingfloyd> boxrick1: there's not much difference in regards to raid 1, a different raid level would be a different story.
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• 1905[12:30:03] <venkat_330> Guys after upgrading to jessie my 3M touch not working ( 0596:0400 MicroTouch Systems, Inc.). tired installing driver from its siite. Need guidance...
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• 1972[13:01:53] <oskie> does anyone know a simple way to test if deb package X is installed with version Y or later? (e.g. from a script)
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• 1978[13:03:48] <rozie> oskie: dpkg -l, dpkg-query
• 1979[13:03:58] <rozie> man for details
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• 2021[13:18:37] <rubas> Hello, I am trying to connect to a server which I normally could, there is a lot of people who have access to this server. But when I try to connect it now, it says: no matching host key type found. Their offer: ssh-dss
• 2022[13:18:46] <rubas> does anyone have an idea what is going on here?
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• 2033[13:23:49] <chrnybo> Hi, is this a reasonable place to get help with a stuck upgrade? If so, I get "perl-modules: Depends: perl (>= 5.14.2-1) but 5.10.1-17squeeze6 is installed" when doing apt-get upgrade. Anyone got the time to help me out?
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• 2036[13:24:39] <otyugh_II> hey there
• 2037[13:24:54] <rubas> chrnybo: did you try to upgrade perl?
• 2038[13:25:00] <otyugh_II> I have my hospital that sends me my result on a website... Which use silverlight
• 2039[13:25:03] <ransur0t> rubas: what type of ssh key have you been authenticating with?
• 2040[13:25:08] <rubas> rsa
• 2041[13:25:15] <rubas> ransur0t: rsa *
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• 2044[13:25:36] <rubas> ransur0t: did someone play with the openssh server and change it to support dsa only ?
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• 2048[13:26:36] <rubas> chrnybo: what is happening is, that your trying to update a package called perl-modules, but perl-modules have a dependency that says it needs perl version 5.14.2-1 (or above).
• 2049[13:27:03] <rubas> chrnybo: so to do a upgrade, you need to upgrade perl first - so the perl-module package gets allowed to get upgraded
• 2050[13:27:04] <chrnybo> rubas: No, my intention is to upgrade to wheezy (7.0) or jessie (8.0). Should I try to upgrade perl explicitly?
• 2051[13:27:17] <ransur0t> rubas: did your ssh client update recently?
• 2052[13:27:41] <rubas> ransur0t: I did not - but I know some guys on the server did something with ssh (they said they wanted to improve security on the server)
• 2053[13:27:46] <ransur0t> dsa is disabled in openssh 7.0+
• 2054[13:27:59] <rubas> ransur0t: yes, they fucked up
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• 2057[13:28:21] <ransur0t> sounds like they did restrict to dsa only, hence your key type not matched to server config
• 2058[13:28:24] <chrnybo> rubas: Could you express "upgrade perl" in more detail, please?
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• 2061[13:28:45] <rubas> ransur0t: I just wanted to know if they know what they are doing or not. But apparently they don't.. yeah I need to call them and explain them how to fix it I suppose
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• 2065[13:30:00] <ransur0t> rubas: probably, sounds like they "enhanced" security in the wrong direction ...
• 2066[13:30:03] <babilen> rubas: Which command gives you that error?
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• 2068[13:30:10] <babilen> chrnybo: ^
• 2069[13:30:16] <babilen> rubas: sorry, ENICK
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• 2071[13:30:39] <rubas> ransur0t: You are right, some sysops huh?
• 2072[13:30:50] <rubas> babilen: np :)
• 2073[13:31:24] <rubas> chrnybo: are you doing a "apt-get upgrade" to upgrade from wheezy to jessie?
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• 2076[13:32:18] <chrnybo> rubas: Actually, I'm on squeeze, looking to modernize the install.
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• 2078[13:32:42] <chrnybo> And yes, I try to do it by issuing the command apt-get upgrade.
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• 2084[13:34:30] <babilen> chrnybo: So you are following replaced-url
• 2085[13:34:41] <rubas> chrnybo: what apt-get upgrade does, is upgrade all your packages (and applications) - it should not and won't upgrade the whole system from one version to another.
• 2086[13:34:44] <babilen> Could you paste your command, its output and that of "apt-cache policy" ?
• 2087[13:35:03] <Iridos> chrnybo, you cannot upgrade from squeeze to jessie directly, you'd have to go squeeze->wheezy->jessie. It may just be faster to do a fresh jessie install (you can save the currently installed packages with /usr/bin/dpkg --get-selections >file and restore them with --set-selections)
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• 2089[13:35:33] <babilen> 5.14 would be the perl version in wheezy
• 2090[13:35:35] <rubas> chrnybo: I am wrong sorry - don't listen to what I just said
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• 2092[13:36:27] <chrnybo> babilen: No, not following anything in particular, I'm merely copying and pasting various commands that I find in google.
• 2093[13:37:02] <rubas> chrnybo: Please do not do that, please understand first what the commmands do before you enter it in the terminal
• 2094[13:37:17] <Iridos> that's always a nice idea …
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• 2098[13:38:35] <rubas> chrnybo: Once, I wrote something in the terminal - and the next thing I knew was that all my files, all my partitions were gone. (by the way, always keep backups!)
• 2099[13:39:27] <babilen> chrnybo: So, what have you done then? (in detail .. please use a pastebin such as replaced-url
• 2100[13:40:01] <babilen> chrnybo: I'd also recommend to follow the official documentation (i.e. the release notes for wheezy and jessie respectively)
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• 2106[13:43:26] <chrnybo> Chapter 4 of the release notes for Wheezy is only ~7500 words. I'll be back in a while.
• 2107[13:43:59] <babilen> chrnybo: We can help you, but it's hard to if you don't tell/show us what you've done and what your problems are
• 2108[13:44:06] <dirgeable> hi! i am having problems with apt replaced-url
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• 2124[13:49:22] <oskie> dirgeable: no python expert, but there seems to be some conflict with different python versions ... if you have python3 installed, try removing it. if not, try installing it
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• 2126[13:49:29] <oskie> but that's just a guess
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• 2135[13:52:04] <Iridos> judd, versions lsb-release
• 2136[13:52:05] <judd> Package: lsb-release on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1; sid: 9.20160629; stretch: 9.20160629
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• 2139[13:53:26] <themill> dirgeable: do you have the libpython2.7-minimal package installed?
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• 2141[13:53:49] <ransur0t> i recently discovered virtualenv and will use this going forward with all python apps :)
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• 2143[13:54:26] <dirgeable> oskie, ok thanks trying uninstall python 3
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• 2145[13:54:51] <themill> dirgeable: wait...
• 2146[13:55:02] <Iridos> dirgeable, you can't install or uninstall anything at the moment
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• 2148[13:55:15] <Iridos> but you can possibly answer themill's question
• 2149[13:55:29] <Iridos> …which would be a good thing to do
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• 2152[13:57:48] <dirgeable> themill tried to replaced-url
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• 2154[13:58:32] <themill> tried to what?
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• 2157[13:59:28] <dirgeable> install libpython2.7-minimal
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• 2159[13:59:52] <themill> that pastebin does not show that
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• 2161[14:00:40] <themill> dirgeable: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy python-minimal libpython2.7-minimal python2.7 python; apt-cache policy" for us?
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• 2163[14:00:50] <dirgeable> libpython2.7-minimal is already the newest version.
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• 2167[14:01:48] <dirgeable> replaced-url
• 2168[14:01:51] <dirgeable> sure
• 2169[14:02:00] <dirgeable> thanks for the help btw
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• 2173[14:03:58] <themill> dirgeable: can you please try: apt-get--reinstall install python-minimal libpython2.7-minimal python2.7 python
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• 2176[14:04:23] <babilen> apt-get --reinstall install python-minimal libpython2.7-minimal python2.7 python
• 2177[14:04:40] <dirgeable> E: Couldn't configure python:amd64, probably a dependency cycle.
• 2178[14:04:42] <themill> err yes
• 2179[14:06:07] <themill> I'd love to see command and full output in a pastebin
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• 2181[14:06:55] <dirgeable> replaced-url
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• 2187[14:09:21] <themill> dirgeable: so each of those packages is already in /var/lib/apt/archives; try installing the four of them with dpkg -i
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• 2190[14:10:54] <dirgeable> themill, replaced-url
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• 2193[14:11:56] <dirgeable> oh things seem fixed somehow
• 2194[14:11:57] <dirgeable> :))
• 2195[14:12:03] <google77> hi
• 2196[14:12:04] <themill> yeah, you need to give the full file name: cd /var/lib/apt/archives; dpkg -i python-minimal_*deb libpython2.7-minimal_*deb python2.7_*deb python_*deb
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• 2198[14:12:47] <google77> why is krita not in testing anymore?
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• 2201[14:14:03] <jelly> !why is krita not in testing
• 2202[14:14:04] <dpkg> krita is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 2204[14:14:28] <themill> google77: krita isn't currently in debian as it has been split out of calligra
• 2205[14:14:45] <google77> oh
• 2206[14:14:52] <google77> when will it be back?
• 2207[14:14:58] <themill> WIR
• 2208[14:15:07] <google77> or rather will it be back?
• 2209[14:15:15] <google77> OK
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• 2213[14:15:44] <themill> it's sitting in NEW destined for experimental already
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• 2217[14:17:01] <google77> thx, bye
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• 2248[14:25:18] <shortCircuit__> hi
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• 2262[14:28:52] <Neon> I have a Debian 8 server and I've received an abnormal amount of incoming UDP traffic (around 300 GB in total) starting from yesterday evening to this morning. It could be kind of a DOS attack and users reported they couldn't use the services in that time. Is there a way to find out the source of that traffic? Or whether it came from one or multiple sources?
• 2263[14:29:18] <Neon> (using a standard Debian setup I mean)
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• 2266[14:31:54] <tinyhippo> when I try to make a bootable USB of debian 8.6 netinst from a mac, I get 'isolinux.bin missing or corrupt', what have I done wrong? I did 'sudo dd if=debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/rdisk2 bs=1m'
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• 2270[14:34:13] <Iridos> dirgeable, did it get fixed when you started using a differen terminal?
• 2271[14:34:33] <jelly> tinyhippo: is rdisk2 the whole device, without partitions?
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• 2275[14:37:22] <dirgeable> Iridos, same terminal
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• 2277[14:37:46] <dirgeable> a bit mystified but happy
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• 2295[14:44:05] <stoned> Good morning
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• 2297[14:45:05] <stoned> DoS is easy to detect given it's nature, Neon
• 2298[14:45:19] <stoned> DDoS is not easy or almost imposible to detect because of the distributed nature.
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• 2301[14:46:09] <stoned> Neon: you need to talk with your upstream provider.
• 2302[14:46:33] <stoned> It your provider doesn't have DDoS protection offered, or protected by another party, you should try to find another provider.
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• 2304[14:46:57] <stoned> Neon: for further information ask in ##security
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• 2306[14:47:10] <Neon> Thanks for the information, stoned.
• 2307[14:47:14] <stoned> Neon: for hardening debian, we can harden it here with you.
• 2308[14:47:24] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 2311[14:49:37] <stoned> tinyhippo: you must copy the iso to the main drive/device and not one of it's partitions. rdisk2 looksl like partition 2 of the rdisk device. Do you have /dev/rdisk and /dev/rdisk1 ? Try to cp or dd it to /dev/rdisk if so.
• 2312[14:50:27] <Akuli> is /dev/sdXY really linux-specific?
• 2313[14:50:55] <stoned> Yes
• 2314[14:50:59] <stoned> Are you familiar with BSDs?
• 2315[14:51:11] <stoned> They use totally diff dev names in the node tree
• 2316[14:51:18] <Akuli> yeah, i have noticed that
• 2317[14:51:21] <stoned> da, ad, etc. etc.
• 2318[14:51:22] <tinyhippo> stoned: rdisk2 is the device, its partitions on OS X appear as rdisk2s1 rdisk2s2 etc
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• 2321[14:52:17] <stoned> tinyhippo: you are sure you're using the correct arch? (I'm not familiar with this issue, no exp w/ macs)
• 2322[14:52:26] <stoned> Installer for the correct arch?
• 2323[14:53:12] <stoned> !ig
• 2324[14:53:12] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
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• 2328[14:53:59] <stoned> Wait, would it be PPC or don't macs use intel now? I dunno this. \o/
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• 2332[14:56:08] <stoned> Well, ppc doesn't have this booting method listed in there at all. You can burn a cd but not a hybrid iso on a usb or something else. seemingly.
• 2333[14:56:14] <ChrisH> tinyhippo: Do you get the error message while dd'ing or when trying to boot from the USB device/stick?
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• 2338[14:57:09] <tinyhippo> ChrisH: when booting from the device
• 2339[14:57:27] <stoned> tinyhippo: try cp file.iso /dev/rdisk2
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• 2341[14:57:43] <stoned> I'm not sure if blocksize does anythign since it's an ISO? I'm sleepy.
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• 2344[14:58:06] <tinyhippo> stoned: I always do bs=1m I dont know why, its just habit *shrug*
• 2345[14:58:06] <ChrisH> and where do you boot? X86 "PC" or your Mac or what? Release notes recommend cp
• 2346[14:58:19] <tinyhippo> ChrisH: a dell poweredge r310
• 2347[14:58:23] <stoned> Also, read the installation guide for your arch
• 2348[14:58:30] <stoned> It was written for this reason
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• 2352[15:00:30] <ChrisH> tinyhippo: I would fill the USB device once with zeros like: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/XXX bs=10m and then cp file.iso /dev/XXX
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• 2377[15:09:47] <annoymouse> hello how can I see kernel panic log in debian?
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• 2385[15:11:19] <petn-randall> annoymouse: Yes, in the output of 'dmesg', or in /var/log/kern.log, assuming userland is still working and the disk writeable.
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• 2387[15:11:27] <greycat> So, er, how come I haven't got anything from debian-user (email) in the last few days? And how come when I tried to re-subscribe just now, I still got nothing?
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• 2389[15:12:31] <themill> sounds like a win
• 2390[15:12:32] <annoymouse> petn-randall: thx! I found it
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• 2393[15:13:56] <jelly> I bet they use exim!
• 2394[15:14:16] * jelly a mta snob
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• 2397[15:14:25] <tinyhippo> <3 exim
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• 2409[15:19:43] <dfcnvt> Anybody knows a way to move the window from first LCD monitor to second LCD monitor automatic by hotkey?
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• 2411[15:20:20] <dfcnvt> Note, not the part that move to different desktop, that's different than to move on the same desktop but different monitor.
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• 2420[15:23:38] <TomTomTosch> depends on the desktop environment you use. gnome has ctrl + alt + numpad4/6, i3 and awesome are completely controlled by shortcuts.
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• 2429[15:26:53] <stoned> I use Xmonad and it handles physical xinerama screens as physical workspaces all acoss one large desktop framebuffer
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• 2431[15:27:03] <stoned> dfcnvt: it would depend on your window manager.
• 2432[15:27:27] <stoned> I know KDE supports it with Kwin.
• 2433[15:27:31] <stoned> Others might I dunno.
• 2434[15:28:00] <dfcnvt> I think it's gnome....
• 2435[15:28:02] <dfcnvt> Not sure
• 2436[15:28:12] <stoned> I don't know gnomes or trolls or elves.
• 2437[15:28:18] <stoned> I know dragons.
• 2438[15:28:35] <annoymouse> how can I dump kernel log when /var/log/kern.log is not exists? I'm facing no rootfs kernel panic after kernel upgrade, but before kernel upgrade, no kernel panic
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• 2446[15:31:08] <ThoMe_> hiho
• 2447[15:31:09] <ThoMe_> root@ifs02:/# netstat -natp |grep -i 10.9.1.118
• 2448[15:31:11] <ThoMe_> tcp 0 0 172.30.11.108:1901 10.9.1.118:1901 ESTABLISHED 3760/gsbrts11
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• 2450[15:31:19] <ThoMe_> how i can close the connection, without kill the process 3760 ?
• 2451[15:31:20] <petn-randall> annoymouse: 'man dmesg'
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• 2453[15:31:56] <greycat> ThoMe_: what is process 3760? what is this 'connection'?
• 2454[15:32:09] <stoned> man tcpkill
• 2455[15:32:26] <ThoMe> stoned: tcpkill -i eth0 host 10.9.1.118
• 2456[15:32:30] <greycat> No manual entry for tcpkill
• 2457[15:32:31] <ThoMe> doesnt works
• 2458[15:32:31] <annoymouse> ok thx I will read it now petn-randall
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• 2460[15:32:55] <ThoMe> greycat: an server from our ooooold erp system
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• 2463[15:33:51] <stoned> ,v dsniff
• 2464[15:33:52] <judd> Package: dsniff on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4b1+debian-22; jessie: 2.4b1+debian-22.1+b1; stretch: 2.4b1+debian-22.1+b2; sid: 2.4b1+debian-22.1+b2
• 2465[15:33:59] <stoned> dsniff contians tcpkill
• 2466[15:34:02] <stoned> greycat
• 2467[15:34:10] <ThoMe> root@ifs02:/# tcpkill -i eth0 host 10.9.1.118
• 2468[15:34:10] <ThoMe> tcpkill: listening on eth0 [host 10.9.1.118]
• 2469[15:34:12] <ThoMe> and then?
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• 2471[15:34:49] <stoned> tcpkill ip host x.x.x.x
• 2472[15:34:54] <stoned> Maybe?
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• 2474[15:35:24] <ThoMe> root@ifs02:/# tcpkill ip host 10.9.1.118
• 2475[15:35:24] <ThoMe> tcpkill: listening on eth0 [ip host 10.9.1.118]
• 2476[15:35:26] <ThoMe> no :-(
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• 2478[15:36:21] <stoned> 006 cutter disconnect routed IP connections
• 2479[15:36:23] <stoned> Try cutter
• 2480[15:36:44] <stoned> ,v cutter
• 2481[15:36:45] <judd> Package: cutter on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.03-2; jessie: 1.03-2; sid: 1.04-1; stretch: 1.04-1
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• 2483[15:37:13] <ThoMe> root@ifs02:/# cutter 10.9.1.118 1901
• 2484[15:37:13] <ThoMe> openning /proc/net/ip_conntrack: No such file or directory
• 2485[15:37:13] <ThoMe> root@ifs02:/#
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• 2487[15:38:30] <ThoMe> modprobe nf_conntrack_ipv4
• 2488[15:38:35] <ThoMe> root@ifs02:/# cutter 172.30.11.108 10.9.1.118
• 2489[15:38:36] <ThoMe> No matching connections found
• 2490[15:38:36] <ThoMe> root@ifs02:/# cutter 10.9.1.118
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• 2494[15:39:49] <Iridos> ThoMe, why do you want to end that connection
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• 2496[15:40:28] <ThoMe> Iridos: the client is dead but not the connection
• 2497[15:40:48] <Iridos> and?
• 2498[15:40:48] <jelly> it will timeout in a couple hours
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• 2502[15:42:01] <stoned> apt-get install conntrack
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• 2504[15:42:07] <stoned> ThoMe: then try again.
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• 2508[15:42:26] <Iridos> tcpkill is a pretty… well, hackish? haxxorish? way to end a connection… it sniffs for packages and when it sees some tries to end the connection by sending fake packages that end the connection
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• 2511[15:43:03] <stoned> Well, there is a local endpoint socket, could try to close that.
• 2512[15:43:06] <Rephlexie> doesnt work with a hanging host either iirc
• 2513[15:43:06] <stoned> IIRC.
• 2514[15:43:16] <stoned> It's been years since I was balls deep in linux.
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• 2516[15:43:36] <Iridos> I also still don't see the point of closing that connection
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• 2521[15:49:26] <Iridos> how'd you close something if you aren't the process that opened it anyway
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• 2523[15:50:02] <ThoMe> stoned: no. :_( No matching connections found
• 2524[15:50:13] <greycat> I imagine the client host crashed or locked up.
• 2525[15:50:20] <ThoMe> Iridos: and? the connection is still established
• 2526[15:50:28] <greycat> Thus there were no packets from the client saying "Arrrggh I am dying now"
• 2527[15:50:45] <stoned> Yup. Lack of packets will fuck you hard.
• 2528[15:50:55] <stoned> Move along, little packet.
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• 2530[15:51:03] <stoned> But noooo. No packets.
• 2531[15:51:04] <Iridos> ThoMe, but that's only an entry in your netstat… it'll time out after some time
• 2532[15:51:16] <stoned> Why don't you want to kill the process?
• 2533[15:51:22] <stoned> It's of no use any longer.
• 2534[15:51:24] <Iridos> and it's not like it's doing anything now
• 2535[15:51:26] <Klaus_D1eter_> hello world
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• 2537[15:51:36] <stoned> Exactly
• 2538[15:51:41] <stoned> Hello Klaus_D1eter_
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• 2546[15:54:51] <ThoMe> stoned: the process use other user also
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• 2549[15:55:35] <Klaus_D1eter_> I am running a debian with 3.16 kernel and initramfs - the initramfs' sole purpose is to set up the harddrive for a setup process that will be started by pxe boot. The routine in the initramfs requires fetching a file from network. inside the initramfs I dropped to a shell and in there I can ping the http server where I want to fetch some files from however running wget on that machine shows the
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• 2551[15:55:40] <Klaus_D1eter_> error "connection ...
• 2552[15:55:43] <Klaus_D1eter_> ... refused". running tcpdump on the http server shows that there is no actual request received (but the webserver is running and actually able to serve files). the exact commands to set up networking in the initramfs are: cmdline for kernel: ip=:::::eth0:dhcp then inside the busybox I ran: ifconfig eth0 up; . /scripts/functions
• 2553[15:55:48] <Klaus_D1eter_> configure_networking
• 2554[15:55:59] <Klaus_D1eter_> I can see that eth0 has an ip and subnet assigned - ping works towards the server. what am I missing?
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• 2557[15:57:07] <frostschutz> Klaus_D1eter_, does netcat work? echo hello | nc 1.2.3.4 80
• 2558[15:57:16] <Klaus_D1eter_> the client and the server are both part of the same isolated network
• 2559[15:57:45] <r3> are you able to get wget working after this system has fully booted? (as in not part of this process?)
• 2560[15:57:50] <Klaus_D1eter_> frostschutz: connection refused
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• 2563[15:58:20] <Klaus_D1eter_> r3: the system has no rootfs, the initramfs is meant to set up the disk for a different setup process
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• 2565[15:58:37] <Klaus_D1eter_> r3: so I have not tried and it would be quite a hassle to try
• 2566[15:59:46] <r3> could you swap the network cable from this system to a system that has more of a standard image and try again? All I am trying to establish is if the cause is something in the initramfs process or a larger networking issue
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• 2572[16:00:52] <r3> or have you insured that this wget command is formatted correctly and could be used from another system on the network.
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• 2574[16:01:07] <Klaus_D1eter_> r3: yes.
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• 2576[16:01:11] <Klaus_D1eter_> that I have
• 2577[16:01:41] <Klaus_D1eter_> this is a virtual network for qemu/kvm
• 2578[16:01:58] <Klaus_D1eter_> so there are no cables involved but frankly I am not sure if this is working correctly
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• 2580[16:02:09] <frostschutz> Klaus_D1eter_, ifconfig, route, (ip address, ip route) shows what you expect? if you get a ping unless you're pinging yourself, there must be something somewhere...
• 2581[16:02:34] <stoned> ThoMe: oh well! :/
• 2582[16:02:37] <Klaus_D1eter_> frostschutz: yes.
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• 2585[16:02:57] <Klaus_D1eter_> iptables is not active so there is no firewall either
• 2586[16:03:02] <frostschutz> Klaus_D1eter_, what's virtual? the server? the client? both? is it nat, that may be getting in the way too
• 2587[16:03:13] <r3> hrm, sometimes there are issues with how the VM host deals with the networking of the clients, double check that the VM host networking options are correct (I suppose verifying connectivity with another VM would do it)
• 2588[16:03:20] <r3> what frostschutz said
• 2589[16:03:37] <frostschutz> you'll probably have to play with tcpdump
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• 2592[16:04:16] <frostschutz> or you could nmap that ip just to see what you're talking to and if it has any open ports
• 2593[16:04:25] <Klaus_D1eter_> frostschutz: both are virtual and on the same host.
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• 2595[16:04:43] <Klaus_D1eter_> and connectivity is there from another vm
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• 2598[16:05:08] <Klaus_D1eter_> interesting: on the client ping $serverip yields results but on the client ping $clientip leads to timeouts
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• 2600[16:05:37] <Klaus_D1eter_> on the server ping $clientip does not work
• 2601[16:05:57] <frostschutz> you sure you didn't give the serverip to the client. using dhcp this could happen if it ended up with the same mac address or something
• 2602[16:06:14] <Klaus_D1eter_> ifconfig eth0 shows the clientip
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• 2604[16:06:21] <Klaus_D1eter_> ip a s shows only the clientip on the client
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• 2611[16:07:21] <frostschutz> it shows the client ip but you can't ping it? that's strange... can you show it in a pastebin?
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• 2613[16:07:53] <Klaus_D1eter_> yes
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• 2616[16:08:40] <Iridos> networking in a vm is often strange
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• 2621[16:10:20] <Klaus_D1eter_> frostschutz: replaced-url
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• 2624[16:11:31] <Klaus_D1eter_> Iridos: I am not sure if the definition of strange still applies here or some stronger word might be needed.... ;)
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• 2627[16:13:12] <Klaus_D1eter_> even worse still the kernel and the initrd are both loaded via tftp / http into that very vm
• 2628[16:13:20] <Klaus_D1eter_> so it seems that libvirt is actually working
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• 2630[16:13:33] <Iridos> you seem to be missing a default route for the cases where no gateway is needed
• 2631[16:13:35] <Klaus_D1eter_> but in the initrd I cannot connect to the same http server where pxelinux just fetched the initrd from
• 2632[16:14:10] <tx> what is your external network (in cidr)
• 2633[16:14:13] <Klaus_D1eter_> Iridos: this is local traffic inside 192.168.100.0/24 so taht should not matter here
• 2634[16:14:23] <Klaus_D1eter_> 192.168.13.0/24
• 2635[16:14:29] <Klaus_D1eter_> that is external ^
• 2636[16:14:43] <Iridos> this is the first time I see ip r s … I'm still using route -n
• 2637[16:14:54] <tx> heh same
• 2638[16:15:02] <tx> what is the output of netstat -r
• 2639[16:15:16] <cruncher> i like more route as it is easier to read
• 2640[16:15:32] <cruncher> (columns are aligned)
• 2641[16:15:44] <Iridos> also, why is (seems to be) ip r short for "ip route" and not for "ip rule"
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• 2643[16:15:56] <tx> alphabetical?
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• 2645[16:16:07] <Iridos> ambiguous?
• 2646[16:16:11] <r3> I would search for this networking issue in relation to whatever VM Host you are using. I'm sure you aren't the first one to have this level of issue with it. Could be something as simple as changing the VM network from "NAT" to "Bridged Adapter" or something like that
• 2647[16:16:16] <tx> agree
• 2648[16:16:19] <`Kevin> Iridos: you can do a lot of `ip` :)
• 2649[16:16:26] <`Kevin> with*
• 2650[16:16:38] <tx> can it make you coffee?
• 2651[16:16:41] <Iridos> I'd rather not
• 2652[16:16:53] <stoned> kevv-ooon
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• 2654[16:17:00] <stoned> :D
• 2655[16:17:01] <Klaus_D1eter_> netstat -r shows: replaced-url
• 2656[16:17:11] <tx> dgw is set
• 2657[16:17:14] <Iridos> it'll probably be systemctl-net or so in a year from now
• 2658[16:17:18] <Klaus_D1eter_> Iridos: because ip rule show would be ip ru s
• 2659[16:17:37] <Iridos> that's not logic!
• 2660[16:18:28] <frostschutz> Klaus_D1eter_, no idea, sorry. you could add a lo 127.0.0.1 device thats sometimes needed for the strangest things, but no idea what's going on really
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• 2662[16:19:19] <Klaus_D1eter_> I am thinking the network might not be fully up.
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• 2664[16:20:12] <Klaus_D1eter_> frostschutz: that was it!
• 2665[16:20:20] <Klaus_D1eter_> frostschutz: thank you very much I never would have guessed that
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• 2670[16:23:20] <frostschutz> really? wow
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• 2689[16:33:57] <Klaus_D1eter_> actually this is worse still
• 2690[16:34:40] <greycat> Yup, that did it. I removed recent.spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net from the RBL list and now I've got ... a couple dozen mails from debian-user
• 2691[16:35:09] <Klaus_D1eter_> now I have put ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 up in my script that I am running in initramfs. inside the same script I am calling curl to fetch a file which still fails with connection refused. but when I directly after the scritp call the same curl command then it works
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• 2694[16:39:03] <r3> I had a feeling that the network was the focus and not the initramfs, etc, glad you got it fixed
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• 2697[16:40:55] <frostschutz> Klaus_D1eter_, does it show up in 'ip neigh' after the connection refused?
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• 2708[16:45:33] <Klaus_D1eter_> busybox ip does not know about neigh
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• 2725[16:49:53] <Klaus_D1eter_> frostschutz: lol. sometimes it seems to work when run from the script
• 2726[16:50:03] <Klaus_D1eter_> this must be one of the oddes things I have seen
• 2727[16:50:13] <boubou> what can I use as a ssh/rdp proxy ? ... with authentification if its possible!
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• 2730[16:51:52] <dviola> what's the recommended way to use glamor/modesetting on debian jessie?
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• 2795[17:19:32] <alwyn> Hi, I'm having an issue that apt-get update hangs indefinitely on unstable. I tried clearing the cache (both apt-get clean and rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin) but it still hangs at "0% [Working]"
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• 2799[17:20:21] <greycat> !debian-next
• 2800[17:20:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2944[18:23:58] <Richard_Cavell> Good afternoon everyone using Debian.
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• 2946[18:25:11] <remanos> good afternoon
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• 2974[18:40:44] <oskie> hi, i have an md raid1 with two disks, one of them has major problems and I'm getting constant "redirecting sector X to other mirror". that's all fine, but it also causes extreme lockups of the device, and that can't be right
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• 2988[18:47:39] <petn-randall> oskie: That's fine? Looks like your disk is failing.
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• 2991[18:48:28] <petn-randall> oskie: Also, if your drive supports ERC, you can set it to a lower value (by default it is 7 seconds for most devices). See replaced-url
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• 2993[18:48:54] <petn-randall> oskie: Basically it's a configurable timeout to fetch a block on the disk.
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• 3003[18:54:55] <oskie> petn-randall: i mean, it's fine that it is failing - but it is not fine that i'm getting constant lockups. it is as if BOTH disks are failing
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• 3006[18:55:59] <oskie> what's even more strange - I get lockups when I list some dir, but then it caches the response and no more lockups for listing. EXCEPT for stuff served via smbd. it always locks up when listing the same directory.
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• 3016[18:59:01] <dviola> is jessie the stable branch?
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• 3021[19:00:24] <jelly> dviola: yes
• 3022[19:00:34] <dviola> ok thanks
• 3023[19:00:55] <dviola> is sid/testing using modesetting/glamor by default?
• 3024[19:00:59] <dviola> as opposed to xf86-video-intel
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• 3027[19:02:21] <jelly> there was talk of it recently
• 3028[19:02:35] <dviola> meaning?
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• 3033[19:03:17] <jelly> meaning I don't know whether a decision has been made, or implemented, or if it trickled down to testing, yet
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• 3035[19:03:54] <jelly> !goal
• 3036[19:03:55] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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• 3042[19:05:22] <petn-randall> oskie: How are failing disks fine?!
• 3043[19:05:35] <jelly> dviola: you're not the first to ask about modesetting and glamor on intel gpus in kind of a roundabout way today. What prompted this question, if I may ask?
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• 3055[19:07:34] <dviola> jelly: sadly there are a lot of problems with xf86-video-intel (this DDX driver hasn't even seen a release in a number of years now), and users are trying to use modesetting/glamor which appears more reliable in some ways
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• 3059[19:08:00] <dviola> see this bug I've reported 2 years ago: replaced-url
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• 3062[19:08:26] <dviola> or this one that is solved with modesetting: replaced-url
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• 3066[19:10:15] <oskie> petn-randall: it's expected. :) i bought the cheapest 4TB 3.5 USB drives, removed them from their cases and used them for RAID1 in a 24/7 server. the other drive died a few weeks ago.
• 3067[19:10:19] <dviola> I don't claim xf86-video-intel is the problem, but maybe something else is...
• 3068[19:10:26] <jelly> dviola: which users? Was there an article you read recently to prompt this?
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• 3073[19:11:34] <dviola> jelly: there are lot of users in forums such as phoronix reporting the same results
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• 3075[19:12:12] <jelly> I mean if it's 2+ years old, two similar questions the same day is a bit of a coincidence
• 3076[19:12:25] <dviola> it's all over the place
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• 3078[19:12:40] <dviola> replaced-url
• 3079[19:12:40] <jelly> care to name ONE reference?
• 3080[19:12:43] <jelly> thanks
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• 3082[19:13:24] <dviola> I don't think it's a coincidence
• 3083[19:13:44] <dviola> I did a lot of debugging of the intel driver recently...
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• 3085[19:14:29] <dviola> I still want the xf86-video-intel to get fixed, but I don't think the devs are very interested to fix the remaining bugs
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• 3087[19:14:40] <dviola> so they just said "use dri3/modesetting" instead
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• 3095[19:16:57] <jelly> having gone thru XAA, EXA, UXA, whatever was the last thing video-intel used during the last 8 years, I'm not surprised they've thrown in the towel
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• 3100[19:18:18] <teraflops> I do modesetting. when an Intel devel says to you: go use modesetting...
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• 3105[19:18:43] <jelly> how do you do, the thing that you do?
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• 3110[19:19:24] <teraflops> wat thing?
• 3111[19:19:41] <dviola> teraflops: well, one of the devs are claiming that this is a kernel bug
• 3112[19:19:53] <dviola> but nobody wants to fix the bug
• 3113[19:20:00] <petn-randall> oskie: I'd run a smart test to make sure they work. SATA timeouts are a good hint that your disk is failing very soon.
• 3114[19:20:04] <teraflops> dviola: ^
• 3115[19:20:11] <petn-randall> oskie: Oh, and you have backups, right?
• 3116[19:20:25] <dviola> teraflops: ?
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• 3124[19:22:21] <teraflops> I'm on the phone I tried to !glare
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• 3162[19:43:11] <jelly> the modesetting thing
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• 3174[19:47:01] <bolt> if I create a vlan interface, say, eth0.4, assign a bridge interface to that and host a kvm virtual machine on said bridge, how easy is it for the virtual machine to screw with the vlans? what happens if someone inside the virtual machine creates a vlan interface on top of the one assigned to the vm, for instance?
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• 3178[19:47:53] <bolt> i'm hoping that any vlan tags would be stripped by the host machine and the correct vlan assigned to the packets, but i can't find documentation to confirm this
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• 3186[19:51:30] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys super quick question so i have java 7 installed and i just installed java 8 but it still shows me java 7
• 3187[19:51:32] <Psil0Cybin> whne i do java -version
• 3188[19:51:46] <teraflops> jelly: it works in debian
• 3189[19:51:47] <Psil0Cybin> java full version "1.6.0_40-b40"
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• 3193[19:52:10] <jelly> Psil0Cybin: that's not 7, that's 1.6
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• 3195[19:52:23] <Psil0Cybin> sorry i mean the wrong version
• 3196[19:52:31] <Psil0Cybin> 7 was on my windows machine sorry been installing android studio in all my boxes
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• 3199[19:52:39] <jelly> Psil0Cybin: ls -ld $(readlink -f $(which java))
• 3200[19:52:53] <teraflops> jelly: just uninstall the xorg intel driver, and remove any xorg snippet related to intel driver if any
• 3201[19:53:04] <Psil0Cybin> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
• 3202[19:53:10] <Psil0Cybin> so thats where its hiding
• 3203[19:53:11] <Psil0Cybin> lol
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• 3205[19:53:17] <teraflops> …and reboot
• 3206[19:53:20] <jelly> Psil0Cybin: which debian release is this?
• 3207[19:53:50] <jelly> and how did you install java 8 and where from?
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• 3216[19:56:55] <jelly> good to know. but having a 75 days uptime with an amd card driving both outputs on jessie, I don't think I'll be running any sort of intel soon
• 3217[19:57:30] <jelly> it's more stable than any intel setup was since... um, 2010
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• 3228[19:59:34] <teraflops> intel hd3000
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• 3315[20:37:28] <Iridos> why does snapshots.debian.org stop with march?
• 3316[20:38:13] <missmbob> of 2005...
• 3317[20:38:39] <missmbob> you seriously need something older?
• 3318[20:38:49] <Iridos> of 2016
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• 3322[20:39:08] <missmbob> replaced-url
• 3323[20:39:20] <greycat> What are you looking for?
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• 3325[20:39:40] <Iridos> and I was looking for the 4.6.0 kernel that vanished from backports
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• 3327[20:40:29] <Iridos> oh, actually… I'm behind a bit… last time there was only that weird 4.7 "unsigned" kernel, whatever that meant
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• 3330[20:41:03] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3332[20:41:15] <unborn> im about 2009 - so how old we are???
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• 3335[20:41:57] <rsync> anyone knows when Full Disk Encryption for Debian is supported (incl. Boot partition)?
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• 3338[20:42:31] <rafalcpp> how to check in bash whether package X is installed? package that is uninstalled but not purged (in c state) should count as NOT installed
• 3339[20:42:49] <greycat> rafalcpp: dpkg -l "$package"
• 3340[20:43:13] <rafalcpp> greycat: it returns true if package was removed but not purged
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• 3343[20:44:26] <greycat> OK, then capture stdout and look at character 2 which is ${myvar:1:1}
• 3344[20:44:53] <Iridos> rsync, how'd you even do that?
• 3345[20:45:38] <rsync> replaced-url
• 3346[20:45:57] <rafalcpp> greycat: hm ok. (I was wondering if there is cleaner way)
• 3347[20:46:00] <rsync> ubuntu offers full disk encryption
• 3348[20:46:18] <`Kevin> could also capture status from -s
• 3349[20:46:25] <greycat> There may very well be some other way using dpkg-query. I don't know.
• 3350[20:46:50] <rsync> replaced-url
• 3351[20:47:28] <Iridos> greycat, it only looks that way… supposing there's a reason kernels are backported (which I'm not so sure of), I want a bdo one… and they'd been all replaced by the 4.7.0 unsigned/signed ones…
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• 3355[20:47:56] <missmbob> rsync: that doesn't encrypt /boot
• 3356[20:48:01] <Iridos> but I wonder in general why snapshots stop with march this year… I thought they provide all old versions and are updated automatically
• 3357[20:48:07] <jhutchins> I'm running XFCE4 and in Thunar I can extract archives (uses Ark), but when I try to right-click and create an archive, I get "No suitable archive manager found." All the "solutions" I find are for failing to extract.
• 3358[20:48:12] <missmbob> rsync: you should read it all. "The boot partition must be separate in Linux FDE, no matter which configuration or distro and for most, it must also be unencrypted "
• 3359[20:48:38] <missmbob> Iridos: didnt follow the link i gave you to 2005?
• 3360[20:49:39] <drmagoo> rsync: you can encrypt everything except /boot
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• 3362[20:49:55] <Iridos> missmbob, well, no, because… what does 2005 have to do with april-2016 to september-2016?
• 3363[20:50:13] <rsync> how does the attack on a boot partition work? can the attacker directly access my encrypted partition by modifying the kernel or is this only possible after i logged on with manipulated kernel?
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• 3365[20:50:31] <TomTomTo1> Iridos: where did you see it stop there? replaced-url
• 3366[20:50:33] <missmbob> rsync: after you logged on with a manipulated kernel
• 3367[20:50:38] <rsync> hm ok.. someone said that grub understands luks
• 3368[20:50:47] <rsync> ah ok thx!
• 3369[20:50:53] <rafalcpp> rsync: if attacker can physically access your computer (e.g. take out hdd) then you already lost
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• 3371[20:51:04] <Iridos> TomTomTo1, duh.
• 3372[20:51:31] <rsync> ok so only possible like for ex. a hardware keylogger
• 3373[20:51:36] <rafalcpp> rsync: what for would you encrypt /boot? there should be no secret on it
• 3374[20:51:40] <Iridos> TomTomTo1, there: replaced-url
• 3375[20:51:49] <rsync> but not in changing just the kernel and all is unencrypted.. good to know
• 3376[20:51:55] <rafalcpp> rsync: you should encrypt everything else, because it will contain secrets (your /home /var /tmp swap etc)
• 3377[20:52:10] <missmbob> rsync: correct
• 3378[20:52:17] <rsync> okay.. thx!
• 3379[20:52:30] <jelly> rsync: the "evil maid" attack is easily googlable, if you know how it's called!
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• 3381[20:52:41] <TomTomTo1> Iridos: oh, that is weird^^
• 3382[20:52:55] <drmagoo> rsync: encryption will protect your data, it will not protect "you".
• 3383[20:52:58] <rsync> i will surely inform about "evil maid attack"
• 3384[20:53:02] <Iridos> rafalcpp, someone could switch out the kernel against one that reports <whatever> after it's been booted and the disk password entered
• 3385[20:53:07] <greycat> Oh man, now I want to google-image search for evil maids.
• 3386[20:53:09] <rafalcpp> I think he descrived how to encrypt everything besides /boot if it happens that /boot is not on separeted out partition or something?
• 3387[20:53:46] <Iridos> TomTomTo1, yeah… maybe it's been broken because whatever broke only affected backports and so nobody noticed
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• 3390[20:54:30] <rsync> the important is just to know the scenarios.. if you know that is only a danger if you let the system physically protected then you can take the right mesures
• 3391[20:54:42] <rsync> i thinked that they can just replace the kernel and go :)
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• 3395[20:55:41] <Iridos> greycat, I just did… you made me… turns out they're devious
• 3396[20:55:47] <greycat> heh.
• 3397[20:56:00] <greycat> Any good ones *not* from the TV show?
• 3398[20:56:13] <greycat> err, "good"... not quite the best word choice there...
• 3399[20:56:22] <jelly> do you count anime as tv shows?
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• 3401[20:56:38] <greycat> jelly: the reference was a specific US TV show called "Devious Maids"
• 3402[20:57:02] <Iridos> well, possibly replaced-url
• 3403[20:57:04] <jelly> I did not know there was a reference evil maid. Good to have standards.
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• 3405[20:58:02] <Iridos> jelly, there's an RFC on them?
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• 3408[20:58:34] <rafalcpp> Iridos: there was, but then an evil maid secretly replaced it with an IRC RFC and here we are
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• 3411[20:59:48] <rafalcpp> later same agent hit the Debian conference, and here we are on systemd
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• 3413[21:00:50] <rafalcpp> Eidos Interactive released a game series about this events (sadly not running nativly on Debian btw)
• 3414[21:01:46] <Iridos> TomTomTo1, pft. if there was a web interface to the bug tracking sytem, I'd probably already have written a short report on snapshots :(
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• 3426[21:04:41] <TomTomTo1> Iridos: do it for the good of humanity.
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• 3428[21:05:37] <Iridos> it's just that you're throwing the email address to the dogs of spam
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• 3450[21:17:03] <Iridos> TomTomTo1, I did! \o/
• 3451[21:17:06] <Iridos> the world is saved
• 3452[21:17:27] <TomTomTo1> yeah! now back to being lazy^^
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• 3468[21:22:29] <jelly> sphenxes, sphenxes01, sphenxes02: why is there three of you
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• 3470[21:22:49] <Klaus_D1eter_> well, this must be a libvirt/networking issue.
• 3471[21:23:16] <Klaus_D1eter_> when I run tcpdump on the network bridge on the host I can see requests but no responses
• 3472[21:23:30] <Klaus_D1eter_> when I run tcpdump on the virtual server I cannot see the requests
• 3473[21:23:38] <Klaus_D1eter_> ebtables is empty, iptables is empty
• 3474[21:23:45] <Klaus_D1eter_> on host and guest
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• 3484[21:26:59] <dot> hello, one question I am trying to run sshfs but I get following error: fuse: unknown option `defer_permissions'
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• 3486[21:27:24] <dot> first time I run it, it was working, but now when I re-run it I keep get this message, any idea ?
• 3487[21:27:29] <Klaus_D1eter_> this is odd though: 21:26:11.699521 ARP, Reply 192.168.100.1 is-at 52:54:00:50:38:f8 (oui Unknown), length 28
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• 3489[21:27:32] <Klaus_D1eter_> 21:26:11.699896 ARP, Reply 192.168.100.1 is-at 52:54:00:ca:4b:61 (oui Unknown), length 28
• 3490[21:27:48] <Klaus_D1eter_> the same IP address apprently can be reached on different mac addresses.
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• 3494[21:28:43] <Klaus_D1eter_> OMG apparently the virbr will get an IP address
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• 3496[21:28:53] <greycat> dot: what is the actual command you are typing?
• 3497[21:28:58] <Klaus_D1eter_> of course this will cause all kinds of issues
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• 3500[21:29:56] <dot> greycat: one second
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• 3502[21:30:22] <dot> greycat: sshfs -o allow_other,reconnect,defer_permissions dot@IP:/D:/BOX data
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• 3504[21:30:25] <greycat> Googling your error comes up with lots of different sites where people are typing some weird command that has -o defer_permissions in it, and this is not an option that appears in the man page.
• 3505[21:30:31] <greycat> ... yes. Stop typing that option.
• 3506[21:30:44] <dot> than I can not access folder
• 3507[21:30:48] <dot> permission deninded
• 3508[21:31:09] <dot> first time I used it, i was able to access the folder
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• 3514[21:34:26] <greycat> dot: OK, to test... I did "sshfs greg@greg.wooledge.org: greg" from here at work, then unmounted it, then did it again. Each time, I was able to see the content of a file that has 600 permissions and "shows up as" the wrong user in ls -l output because of UID mismatch.
• 3515[21:34:38] <greycat> So if the only symptom you have is "ls -l looks wrong", then it seems to be something you can just ignore.
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• 3518[21:35:14] <anigma> anyone here ever replaced systemd with runit?
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• 3520[21:35:48] <jelly> also, the uids and gids can be munged with -o idmap=...
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• 3527[21:37:32] <hanshenrik> any reason not to have vm.dirty_background_ratio=0 ?
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• 3529[21:37:46] <dot> greycat: hm but I can not access the folder
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• 3532[21:38:09] <greycat> dot: what are you actually doing, and what is the actual error?
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• 3534[21:38:45] <dot> its working now
• 3535[21:38:53] <dot> I just ommited all the -o flags
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• 3538[21:40:15] <dot> greycat: thanks
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• 3559[21:45:48] <Knaldgas> Is it just me, or has the amount of spam coming through graylisting exploded within the last few hours?
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• 3585[21:55:05] <jhutchins> Knaldgas: On what? My server isn't having any noticible issues.
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• 3589[21:56:24] <Knaldgas> jhutchins: Sorry, wrong channel for the issue - I get heaps of junk now, a bit strange - Many years agi since I've seen so much junk coming on
• 3590[21:56:32] <Knaldgas> s/on/in/
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• 3596[21:59:21] <jhutchins> Knaldgas: Spam tactics are constantly shifting. Maybe a new copy of a list with your name on it got published.
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• 3598[22:00:00] <Knaldgas> jhutchins: Nah, I think my RBL-links are outdated - Am finding new ones now
• 3599[22:00:20] <greycat> (RBL has nothing to do with greylisting)
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• 3613[22:05:28] <Knaldgas> greycat: I know - Just forgot I had RBL set up. Thought greylisting took most, but probably it doesn't take much anymore
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• 3621[22:08:23] <MickyW> As some of you (like somiaj) helped me yesterday, you may want to know, that I fixed the problem I had. Thank you, for helping.
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• 3627[22:09:48] <OerHeks> MickyW, we appreciate your feedback, have fun!
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• 3633[22:10:50] <climjark> hey all
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• 3648[22:17:03] <jhutchins> MickyW: Is there a quick summary you'd like to share, or maybe write it up and post it to the mailing list?
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• 3659[22:21:05] <lesik> Hey. When I try to install build-essential aptitude says libc6 is too new (2.19-18+deb8u6) and tries to downgrade to 2.19-18+deb8u3. Is this normal? I am on jessie.
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• 3661[22:21:33] <greycat> ,v libc6
• 3662[22:21:34] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u6; sid: 2.24-3; stretch: 2.24-3
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• 3664[22:22:00] <greycat> Somehow you seem to have ONLY the jessie security list, and not the jessie list.
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• 3666[22:22:20] <greycat> Maybe an apt-get update failed, or maybe your sources.list is incomplete.
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• 3675[22:24:33] <lesik> greycat: that explains it...my apt preferences are set to prefer jessie-security over jessie. Is this not how it's supposed to be? Shouldn't jessie-security override jessie packages? How come libc6 is newer in jessie than in jessie-security?
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• 3679[22:24:51] <MickyW> jhutchins: In short: It is necessary to use an arch specification for cdroms in sources.list, in case 1. You use a cdrom which is specific for an architecture and 2. have specified additional architectures with dpkg --add-architecture.
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• 3681[22:25:15] <MickyW> This is already covered at replaced-url
• 3682[22:25:21] <greycat> lesik: a point release (e.g. 8.6) can push a newer version into jessie than has been previously seen in jessie-security
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• 3686[22:25:46] <MickyW> One may misread it as these specs in sources.list are not likely to be necessary. But they are.
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• 3688[22:26:23] <MickyW> I presume this was merely my problem as a common one.
• 3689[22:26:26] <lesik> greycat: OK, thank you. should I set the pin-priority of jessie and jessie-security to the same value?
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• 3691[22:26:49] <greycat> For almost every question involving pinning, the answer is "don't do it".
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• 3693[22:27:12] <Aven> hi
• 3694[22:27:59] <troffasky> are rkhunter hidden port warnings worth worrying about?
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• 3696[22:28:11] <lesik> greycat: dang it. I decided to follow this serverfault post: serverfault.com/questions/22414 Is the information in that post wrong? Should I add a comment saying that pinning should not be done?
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• 3703[22:31:12] <MickyW> jhutchins: But there is something not so obvious: If you already have a sources.list with arch specific contents cdroms added by "apt-cdrom add" added and add another architecture afterwards, you need to remove the cdrom entries from sources.list and add them again, followed by modify the entries by an architecture specification.
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• 3707[22:31:52] <greycat> or... just add the arch specification?
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• 3709[22:32:03] <MickyW> greycat: That didnt work.
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• 3711[22:32:37] <greycat> OK. It's a really niche setup, though. Almost nobody uses CD-ROMs after the initial install.
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• 3717[22:33:40] <MickyW> greycat: I am with you, but not to full extent, as everybody is a niche, somehow. :-)
• 3718[22:34:06] <MickyW> To be ernest: Cant say, wether this is worth a lasting entry anywhere.
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• 3721[22:34:49] <TomTomTo1> lesik: i'm not sure why the creator decided to give security a gigher pinning. that being said, mixing releases is a bad idea, will break your package manager's ability to resolve dependencies and vanish the advantages a stable distro brings.
• 3722[22:35:01] <TomTomTo1> *higher
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• 3724[22:35:32] <lesik> TomTomTol: I'm aware of the stability impact, I carefully watch that only very few packages are from testing (currently only two packages)
• 3725[22:35:33] <greycat> I don't know why anyone would add pinning *at all* in a simple standard stable + security setup.
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• 3729[22:36:15] <greycat> ... but if you are throwing TESTING into the mix, then you are in Frankendebian territory already.
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• 3731[22:36:48] <lesik> I doubt a few font packages with literally no dependencies can do much harm, but I appreciate your warning.
• 3732[22:36:51] <lesik> I removed the pinning now and am able to install build-essential. Thank you.
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• 3734[22:37:22] <TomTomTo1> backporting is always the better idea in such cases.
• 3735[22:37:30] <TomTomTo1> !tell lesik about ssb
• 3736[22:38:10] <greycat> I'd imagine a font package is simple to backport... then again, one might simply download the .deb files directly from the pool, if they have no dependencies at all.
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• 3738[22:38:51] <lesik> Yup, good point @greycat @TomTomTol. In case I need something I will try to backport myself. Or download from the mirror without changing the sources.list.
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• 3822[23:08:25] <anigma> Howdy! Which packages are needed in order for me to remap my keyboard? I've installed the base via debootstrap and a few other tools.
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• 3828[23:10:50] <dooglus> I'm getting a bunch of '403' errors trying to update my system:
• 3829[23:10:52] <dooglus> Err replaced-url
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• 3832[23:11:06] <dooglus> what do I need to do to fix it please?
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• 3836[23:11:31] <missmbob> dooglus: use a working mirror
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• 3842[23:12:10] <dooglus> missmbob: I've tried a whole bunch of mirrors - they all give the same. do you have a sugestion?
• 3843[23:12:25] <cra1g321> post sources.list to paste.debian.net
• 3844[23:13:39] <dooglus> cra1g321: replaced-url
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• 3848[23:15:04] <julius_> hi
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• 3850[23:15:40] <missmbob> i replaced my sources.list with that one and it works. paste the output of apt-get update ?
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• 3853[23:16:56] <boubou> ksk I would like bypass a fw
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• 3855[23:17:27] <boubou> I would like connect to a host by passing by another route...
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• 3857[23:17:52] <cra1g321> missmbob, i would try a more popular mirror, for example i'm in UK,and would use replaced-url
• 3858[23:17:54] <boubou> I use mocks as ssh proxy, itsnt secure... There is no authentification
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• 3860[23:18:03] <missmbob> cra1g321: wrong person
• 3861[23:18:11] <boubou> what can I use as a ssh/rdp proxy ? ... with authentification if its possible!
• 3862[23:18:13] <cra1g321> woops
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• 3867[23:19:50] <cra1g321> dooglus try using your countries debian mirror, for example replaced-url
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• 3870[23:19:57] <cra1g321> then of course "apt-get update" after editing
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• 3875[23:20:59] <dooglus> cra1g321: I'm in Canada. does "deb replaced-url
• 3876[23:21:12] <dooglus> it tells me "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 3877[23:21:22] <missmbob> dooglus: why do you keep adding so many spaces?
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• 3879[23:21:55] <dooglus> missmbob: do you think that is a useful question?
• 3880[23:22:13] <TomTomTo1> weird that you get a 503, though.
• 3881[23:22:32] <dooglus> pointing a web browser at replaced-url
• 3882[23:22:42] <dooglus> my ap-get is looking for an uncompressed version only?
• 3883[23:22:48] <dooglus> apt-get*
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• 3886[23:23:18] <TomTomTo1> the line looks correct besides the weird spacing.
• 3887[23:23:26] <missmbob> TomTomTo1: dont mention such things
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• 3889[23:23:28] <dooglus> I remember some time ago I installed a package which allowed all my laptops to share a common local package cache, but don't remember what it was called now. maybe that's causing the breakage
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• 3892[23:23:41] <jhutchins> !sources.list
• 3893[23:23:41] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 3895[23:24:27] <jhutchins> dooglus: I would clean up the extra whitespace and maybe try the httpredir URLs.
• 3896[23:24:27] <dooglus> I think it was likely "squid-deb-proxy"
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• 3898[23:24:42] <cra1g321> did you add a 3rd-party repo ?
• 3899[23:25:05] <dooglus> no
• 3900[23:25:21] <dooglus> I'll try "Removing squid-deb-proxy (0.8.9) ..." and see if that fixes it
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• 3902[23:26:38] <dooglus> it appears to. I see error messages now, but it is downloading the Packages file
• 3903[23:26:42] <dooglus> "Failed to resolve service 'Squid deb proxy on chris' of type '_apt_proxy._tcp' in domain 'local': Timeout reached"
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• 3906[23:27:06] <TomTomTo1> you would have to revert your apt.conf too if you configured it to use a proxy.
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• 3908[23:27:56] <dooglus> I think the squid-deb-proxy thing was 'configurationless ?
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• 3910[23:28:14] <dooglus> I seem to remember it 'just worked' without me having to configure anything
• 3911[23:28:46] <dooglus> also, I don't have an apt.conf that I can find
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• 3913[23:31:26] <jhutchins> dooglus: apt.conf.d
• 3914[23:31:56] <dooglus> "Why squid-deb-proxy? .. No editing of files on the client side." -- replaced-url
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• 3916[23:34:02] <missmbob> you removed squid-deb-proxy though...not squid-deb-proxy-client
• 3917[23:34:19] <dooglus> right
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• 3919[23:34:43] <dooglus> I'll try removing both
• 3920[23:34:46] <teraflops> dooglus: you run both both things on the same machine?
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• 3924[23:35:50] <dooglus> I run the squid-deb-proxy on one machine, and squid-deb-proxy-client on all machines
• 3925[23:35:58] <teraflops> ok
• 3926[23:36:02] <dooglus> so both are running on one machine, and only one of the rest
• 3927[23:36:09] <dooglus> on the rest*
• 3928[23:36:15] <Klaus_D1eter_> dooglus: run squid-deb-proxy-client on all machines except the one where squid-deb-proxy is running on
• 3929[23:36:19] <dooglus> after removing both, I see "0% [Working]Failed to exec method /usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover"
• 3930[23:37:11] <Klaus_D1eter_> dooglus: on the client avahi is sued to discover the proxy- I use that on my laptop computer to use the deb proxy when I am in my lan but to not use it and still be able to install stuff without reconfiguring when outside my own lan
• 3931[23:37:22] <teraflops> dooglus: it's a dep it uses avahi for resolving services on the network
• 3932[23:37:41] <SiIky> hey people, im installing stretch on a laptop and the installer says it needs extra FW (for the WiFi card)
• 3933[23:37:43] <teraflops> dooglus: just read what you pasted…
• 3934[23:38:02] <SiIky> i downloaded and put it on a usb drive, but when i click continue it shows me the same screen
• 3935[23:38:05] <SiIky> any ideas?
• 3936[23:38:09] <missmbob> !tell SiIky about debian-next
• 3937[23:38:41] <missmbob> SiIky: btw, you shouldn't use the stretch installer. that's just to test the installer, not install stretch. for that you should install jessie and dist-upgrade
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• 3941[23:39:55] <SiIky> missmbob: ah i didnt know about that. thanks
• 3942[23:39:58] <dooglus> teraflops: I don't understand, sorry. why is it trying to exec that method?
• 3943[23:40:07] <coldrye> hi all
• 3944[23:40:16] <missmbob> !tell SiIky about firmware iso
• 3945[23:40:37] <coldrye> q: any plans to do a minimal debian server (similar to "windows 10 core") for docker?
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• 3947[23:41:00] <cra1g321> debian isn't already minimal ?
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• 3950[23:41:53] <jhutchins> greycat was saying that sudo su - is not good practice. I'm not sure what he suggested instead, sudo -i maybe?
• 3951[23:42:04] <jhutchins> Anyone have a comment on which to use and why?
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• 3953[23:42:34] * figosdev wouldnt take any advice on what to do with sudo unless there was a why attached
• 3954[23:42:40] <figosdev> it would have to be specific too
• 3955[23:43:14] <cra1g321> coldrye, this might interest you replaced-url
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• 3957[23:44:20] <coldrye> logging/auditing perhaps, using sudo su and then running a series of commands as user is less traceable than running each command using sudo perhaps?
• 3958[23:44:22] <jhutchins> coldrye: I think that would be more of a docker project than a debian project. Debian hasn't traditionally built and hosted VM or Vagrant or LXC images for people.
• 3959[23:44:33] <jmcnaught> coldrye: you probably want to use debootstrap
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• 3961[23:45:04] <komomayo> hello
• 3962[23:45:09] <komomayo> i lose root password
• 3963[23:45:12] <komomayo> how can i recover it
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• 3965[23:45:16] <komomayo> os : debian
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• 3967[23:45:28] <coldrye> jmcnaught:existing package depencendies prevent the system from being minimal, e.g. squid requires for example exim and so on
• 3968[23:45:35] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell komomayo about i forgot root password
• 3969[23:45:41] <jhutchins> There are reasons to use sudo to access root, but to not restrict actions within sudo. They may not be the best reasons, but they exist.
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• 3971[23:46:52] <jhutchins> 239 nics in xfce, no traffic, no response.
• 3972[23:47:30] <jmcnaught> coldrye: Debian isn't really designed for application containers. You're not going to be able to simply break dependencies, but there are often alternatives (like "aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent" for alternatives to exim4)
• 3973[23:47:40] <coldrye> komomayo: start the system with a debian installer dvd/cd and mount the root filesystem, chroot into it and change the password
• 3974[23:47:57] <komomayo> im using vbox
• 3975[23:48:10] <missmbob> jhutchins: i dont know what context you're talking about. say i'm user missmbob and i have sudo privledges. i can sudo su user2 to become user2 without knowing user2's password or being root
• 3976[23:48:20] <coldrye> komomayo: just insert the installation dvd and bring up the rescue image
• 3977[23:48:44] <komomayo> coldrye do you have teamviewer?
• 3978[23:48:44] <jmcnaught> komomayo: did you get the message from dpkg bot? the instructions are pretty straight forward
• 3979[23:48:53] <missmbob> jhutchins: i assume what greycat was talking about was just "sudo su" (without a username after su), which makes no sense.
• 3980[23:49:01] <jhutchins> missmbob: I want the equivalent of sudo su - or sudo -i to have a root shell.
• 3981[23:49:04] <coldrye> komomayo: no teamviewer here :)
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• 3983[23:49:37] <jhutchins> missmbob: That would also give you a root shell given the way su is munged for idiots these days.
• 3984[23:50:15] <missmbob> jhutchins: anyway ask him what he meant :P
• 3985[23:50:18] <coldrye> jmcnaught: yes, that is what I meant with debian possibly working on a more leaner server release, e.g. debian-core or something along that line
• 3986[23:50:30] <komomayo> when the machine started i go to recovery mood
• 3987[23:50:38] <jhutchins> missmbob: Yeah, I think he's UK so it's pretty late today, I'll ask him in the morning.
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• 3991[23:52:00] <jmcnaught> coldrye: there aren't different editions of Debian releases, just what you choose to install. If you start with what debootstrap gives you that is very minimal. If the packages you install are pulling in other large packages like exim4, look at the dependencies that are causing this. You can also disable recommends on the apt-get command line
• 3992[23:52:18] <rly> Does iotop lie about the I/O numbers? 800MB/s write speed seems a bit... fast.
• 3993[23:52:22] <coldrye> komomayo: basically what you do is:: start the system from either recovery or from an external recovery image, mount the root filesystem of your box to say /mnt/root and chroot /mnt/root into it. then you simply passwd and enter a new password for root
• 3994[23:52:47] <jhutchins> !forgot root password
• 3995[23:52:48] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 3996[23:53:01] <jhutchins> komomayo: ^
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• 4001[23:56:03] <komomayo> root recover , now how about users?
• 4002[23:56:09] <komomayo> if i want to recover user
• 4003[23:56:26] <coldrye> komomayo: rtfm man passwd
• 4004[23:56:30] <missmbob> uh. instead of passwd root do passwd user
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• 4006[23:56:50] <komomayo> passwd name of user?
• 4007[23:56:52] <missmbob> on second thought, call someone. give them a six-pack for doing it.
• 4008[23:57:04] <coldrye> :D
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• 4011[23:58:20] <notlikeme> knock-knock, guys. DNS-related Q: what 100% universal method should i use to force preferable DNS server IP on modern Debian system (either for current connections and every connection that will happen in future)?
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• 4015[23:59:35] <notlikeme> according to replaced-url
• 4016[23:59:39] <coldrye> jmcnaught: what i basically meant was a second package repository with revised package dependencies that will pull in only the minimalistic set of packages, but i will look into recommends and see if that may cause my problems, however, i don't think that i automatically install recommends in my dockerfiles
• 4017[23:59:43] <jhutchins> !resolvconf
• 4018[23:59:43] <dpkg> somebody said resolvconf was a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>.
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