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45 [00:25:02] <domovoy> hi
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48 [00:25:37] <domovoy> i installed debian from a debootstrap
minbase, any idea in what package is the "file" command?
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52 [00:27:08] <missmbob> ,i file
53 [00:27:10] <judd> Package file (utils, standard) in
jessie/amd64: Determines file type using "magic" numbers.
Version: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u3; Size: 59.0k; Installed: 76k; Homepage:
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55 [00:27:32] <domovoy> ho, simple as that, thanks
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87 [00:45:58] <angular_mike_> according to this, the latest
available version of postgresql for debian is 9.4, right?
88 [00:45:58] <angular_mike_>
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91 [00:46:24] <angular_mike_> I've upgraded debian to 8.7
but after trying to upgrade postgresql it's still 9.1
92 [00:46:39] <angular_mike_> I want to get the UPSERT working
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99 [00:50:31] <angular_mike_> oh shit
100 [00:50:36] <angular_mike_> I tried to force install 9.4
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102 [00:50:55] <angular_mike_> and now when I do anything with
service postgresql, it controls both 9.1 and 9.4
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110 [00:55:55] <angular_mike_> hm, might be intentional
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111 [00:56:20] <bazhang> angular_mike_, are you /amsg this to
multiple channels
112 [00:56:35] <angular_mike_> /amsging ?
113 [00:56:48] <bazhang> crossposting all at once
114 [00:56:53] <angular_mike_> not at once
115 [00:57:05] <angular_mike_> I gave it time here but channel
was dead
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117 [00:57:13] <bazhang> the bots might catch that, just a fyi
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120 [00:57:54] <angular_mike_> do they do fuzzy matching?
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123 [00:59:25] <angular_mike_> anyway, how do I get my UPSERT?
124 [00:59:53] <angular_mike_> I want it
125 [01:00:57] <angular_mike_> do I need to upgrade to STETCH?
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129 [01:04:41] <gry> after installing squirrelmai and running the
conf.pl script, a user still gets `ERROR: Config file ' .
'"config/config.php" not found. You need to ' .
'configure SquirrelMail before you can use it.` error at
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133 [01:06:08] <angular_mike_> perl...php
134 [01:06:18] <angular_mike_> figures
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136 [01:07:50] <somiaj> gry: sounds like config/config.php not
found, so maybe the script didn't create it correctly. Unsure
other than to start looking there
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138 [01:08:23] <gry> somiaj: i can even open
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139 [01:09:13] <somiaj> gry: then maybe a typo in the code that
it isn't looking for the config file in the right spot, the
' . '"config/config.php" seems weird
140 [01:09:46] <gry> works ok on my server though.. it's
perhaps a webserver issue but i can't figure out why,
we're even using the same debian version and stuff
141 [01:09:56] <somiaj> but that seems odd too, but if the file
it wants exists and has correct permsisions. I'm surprised it
doesn't work.
142 [01:10:53] <somiaj> it isn't just some permissions
issue? Yes it does seem odd, the webserver shoudln't matter
with php, as that would be the script at that point I would
imangine. Same version of php the only difference is the webserver
actually beign used?
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144 [01:12:27] <gry> we're even using the same webserver so
i'll suggest to check apache error log as a next step
145 [01:12:30] <somiaj> I can't see what the issue is, but
maybe talking about it can help.
146 [01:12:57] <somiaj> ,v squirrelmail
147 [01:12:58] <judd> Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- wheezy:
2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2
148 [01:13:21] <somiaj> gry: could it be something silly that one
of the servers is using something from jessie-backports?
149 [01:13:49] <somiaj> assuming jessie in both cases, but seems
the squirrelmail package hasn't changed since wheezy
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170 [01:27:12] <transhuman_> how do i tell what process opens a
file and the process owner?
171 [01:27:43] <transhuman_> I thought I could tell with lsof but
its not even listed and its only open for a brief moment
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195 [01:42:53] <chomwitt> to display control info of a debian
package must i use as argument a deb fole ?
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197 [01:43:36] <jelly> what is a deb fole
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201 [01:43:54] <chomwitt> s/fole/file
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205 [01:44:04] <somiaj> chomwitt: what info do you want?
apt-cache show packagename
206 [01:44:23] <chomwitt> somiaj: let me check ..
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210 [01:45:15] <chomwitt> somiaj: thanks!
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212 [01:45:38] <chomwitt> i wanted to see dependencies etc .
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276 [02:31:46] <user7915> Haá algum brasileiro aqui?
277 [02:31:50] <missmbob> !br
278 [02:31:50] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês.
Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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336 [03:29:00] <plasmoduck> hey guys, just doing my first install
on an SSD
337 [03:29:24] <plasmoduck> I can't wait to see the speed
increase, this is going to be fun
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409 [04:15:42] <jushur> plasmoduck: what filesystem you using on
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500 [05:32:57] <jusss> whats the different between
linux-image-generic.deb and linux-image-extra.deb?
501 [05:32:57] <jusss> if I want install linux-image-extra.deb,
do I need install linux-image-generic.deb first?
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522 [06:06:45] <xormor> is it OK for me to still use the i386
32-bit Debian? I also have a 64-bit machine but prefer this older
one.
523 [06:07:09] <xormor> when will the support end for 32-bit
machines, for debian? when debian 9 comes out, or what?
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529 [06:09:35] <OtakuSenpai> xormor: its perfectly fine if you
choose so
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531 [06:09:55] <OtakuSenpai> as for support,let the debian
maintainers inform you
532 [06:09:59] <xormor> OtakuSenpai, yes
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534 [06:13:06] <xormor> OtakuSenpai, this machine is a
"Pentium 4", and the 64-bit machine is an "intel Core
i3".
535 [06:13:50] <OtakuSenpai> xormor: if the Pentium 4 doesnt take
too much power,then you can use it as a small server for example
536 [06:14:02] <OtakuSenpai> consume*
537 [06:14:13] <xormor> OtakuSenpai, i686 is supported, as the
help page said that other Pentiums are supported as well, but not
the 80386 and 80486 since their support was dropped earlier (in
"sarge" 3.? and some other version, 6).
538 [06:14:23] <xormor> OtakuSenpai, yes
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559 [06:35:06] <OtakuSenpai> can anyone name some good strategy
games for debian?
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562 [06:36:19] <OtakuSenpai> thnx
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583 [07:01:37] <OtakuSenpai> damn
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646 [07:55:07] <steiman> Hi. I've just installed debian in
virtualbox and booted up. Gives me a blank screen?
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649 [07:58:35] <julius_> hi
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651 [07:58:49] <steiman> Hi
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653 [07:59:13] <steiman> How's it going?
654 [08:00:07] <julius_> just installed a new network card,
debian loads the driver: 3c59x (haven checked the exact model, but
its the only 3com in there) eth0 already exists - its the first
card. but running ifconfig eth1 x.x.x.x gives me: SIOCSIFADDR: No
such device
655 [08:00:19] <julius_> sunny :)
656 [08:00:47] <julius_> ifconfig also only shows one network
adapter
657 [08:00:50] <steiman> I've just installed debian in
virtualbox and booted up. Gives me a blank screen? Never used Linux
before
658 [08:01:40] <julius_> steiman, did you install jessie (stable)
?
659 [08:02:47] <steiman> I installed the bare minimum of
everything from yakkety?
660 [08:03:51] <julius_> what is yakkety?
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662 [08:04:16] <julius_> did you download a .iso image?
663 [08:05:01] <somiaj> julius_: ifconfig -a (to list all
devices) or ip addr
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665 [08:05:43] <julius_> somiaj, doesnt change the output
666 [08:06:23] <julius_> yesterday i thought the realtek nic from
2003 died....but today im thinking maybe its the pci slot
667 [08:06:24] <steiman> I downloaded a .iso with Jessie in the
readme
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669 [08:06:57] <somiaj> julius_: what does dmesg say about the
output?
670 [08:06:58] <julius_> good, never seen virtualbox fail to boot
with a jessie .iso or install from it
671 [08:07:06] <somiaj> julius_: I mean about the card?
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675 [08:08:25] <julius_> somiaj, dmesg looked fine...now looking
a bit further up it says: 3c59x: probe of 0000:04:01.0 failed with
error -22
676 [08:08:34] <julius_> google says nothing about that, no hits
677 [08:08:51] <julius_> steiman, did you do a
"default" install or did you get crazy creative=
678 [08:08:52] <somiaj> I would look around there to see if you
can get more info on that error
679 [08:09:38] <steiman> Default? I believe? Literally just hit
next as fast as I could ;D
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683 [08:11:15] <julius_> steiman, sounds like default
684 [08:11:36] <steiman> Trying again (guess I like that about
Vbox)
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686 [08:11:39] <somiaj> steiman: yakkety? Isn't that ubuntu,
not debian?
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689 [08:11:48] <julius_> somiaj, youre right..there are 2 more
lines. one is : *** EEPROM MAC address is invalid. and that shows up
a fedora bug report from the end of 2006
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691 [08:11:59] <somiaj> steiman: or is that your host? Maybe I
missed what the issue was.
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694 [08:12:21] <julius_> they say that hopefully the patch will
be accepted upstream
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696 [08:13:40] <steiman> Hmm. I dunno why. I thought it was
debian? Definitely installing debian :D
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699 [08:16:00] <steiman> The install image is "install
Debian GNU/Linux"
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714 [08:20:23] <pragomer_1> whereis /etc/rc.local in stretch?
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716 [08:20:47] <steiman> Hmmm. My virtual box seems to be frozen
in its installation tracks :/
717 [08:20:50] <plasmoduck> <plasmoduck> ive just installed
nvidia-driver
718 [08:20:50] <plasmoduck> <plasmoduck> and then
xserver-xorg
719 [08:20:50] <plasmoduck> <plasmoduck> andrebooted
720 [08:20:50] <plasmoduck> <plasmoduck> and the system
boots to a cirtan point then the screen is just black
721 [08:20:50] <plasmoduck> <plasmoduck> so I selected the
previous kernel version and same thing
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726 [08:21:18] <plasmoduck> should I do a reinstall?
727 [08:21:21] <steiman> Try not to flppd
728 [08:21:29] <steiman> *flood
729 [08:21:42] <plasmoduck> sorry
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734 [08:23:23] <steiman> Not sure if I should restart machine
partway through install? Is that a bad move?
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736 [08:24:25] <julius_> steiman, YES
737 [08:24:33] <julius_> steiman, do it again
738 [08:24:51] <steiman> Lol. Ok
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740 [08:25:03] <steiman> Trying that now. :D
741 [08:25:10] <julius_> unpredictable behavior...
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743 [08:25:45] <plasmoduck> ?
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748 [08:26:24] <julius_> plasmoduck, sorry nvidia is out of my
league
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752 [08:26:37] <steiman> Who has unpredictable behaviour? Lol
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754 [08:26:55] <somiaj> pragomer_1: it should be there, you may
ahve to enable the systemd service for that, forget if it is enabled
by default or not
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758 [08:27:53] <julius_> just found a workaround for my 3com
driver problem, one should: 2. Run /sbin/lspci and identify the PCI
device of the 3Com chip (e.g., "00:03.0"). yeah ok....its
04:01.0 and than: . Run /usr/sbin/pci-config and identify the
corresponding device# (e.g., #5). i dont see how step2 gives me data
to identify the card in step 3?
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761 [08:28:18] <pragomer_1> somiaj: so should it be default to
have systemd enabled or is there an equivalent to rc.local in newer
versions of debian?
762 [08:28:19] <julius_> the pci-config command is in the package
nictools-pci
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764 [08:28:51] <somiaj> pragomer_1: systemctl status rc.local --
looks enabled here
765 [08:28:58] <julius_> pragomer_1, in debian 9 / testing its
still there
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771 [08:34:24] <steiman> (julius_) you said you installed driver
for 3C59x? I found a 592, a 595, a 597 and a 5x9b on
list.driverguide.com/list/Linux/company2/ if any of that helps you?
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773 [08:34:59] <julius_> steiman, yes thanks...debian did load
that module by itself so im guessing its right
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777 [08:35:48] <steiman> Hmmm.... I had an acer that screwed up
the drivers it loaded by default. That was fun to work out :/
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779 [08:36:59] <steiman> Soo.... Software I need to install on my
virtualbox? I honestly just want to run one game and try to get used
to Linux a bit. So need more than a blank screen on boot ;P
780 [08:37:52] <julius_> a default jessie install should always
work on virtualbox
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783 [08:38:12] <julius_> since it doesnt need to recognize your
real hardware but what vbox presents to debian
784 [08:38:26] <steiman> So no need to install GNOME, Xfce, KDE
etc?
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786 [08:38:32] <julius_> steiman, sure
787 [08:38:38] <julius_> you want a desktop environment
788 [08:38:56] <steiman> Ok. Anything else?
789 [08:39:15] <julius_> you can install that later
790 [08:39:19] <julius_> anything later
791 [08:39:37] <julius_> with gnome as a desktop env you can
comfortable get used to linux
792 [08:39:54] <steiman> Ok. I left the desktop, print and system
utilities selected and we move on
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794 [08:40:31] <steiman> Does gnome resemble a windows/mac
interface?
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796 [08:40:51] <julius_> pretty much
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799 [08:41:00] <julius_> you can google that before
800 [08:41:09] <steiman> I only wonder because I read somewhere
that Linux default is a text based interface
801 [08:41:21] <julius_> btw installing it in vbox as a beginner
is a smart move
802 [08:41:35] <julius_> well, thats a awkward statement
803 [08:41:42] <julius_> depends on what you want it todo
804 [08:42:00] <julius_> on a server it doesnt need gnome....not
like a windows server
805 [08:42:10] <julius_> on a desktop you want gnome
806 [08:42:41] <julius_> ok, im out for now...cu guys
807 [08:43:02] <pingfloyd> whatever happened to epdfview?
808 [08:43:09] <steiman> Ahhk. I literally want to try it out
from the familiar place if windows and try running a game
809 [08:43:22] <steiman> Ty julius. Cya next time
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835 [09:01:18] <pragomer_1> thats state of my rc.local:
836 [09:01:20] <pragomer_1>
replaced-url
837 [09:02:08] <pragomer_1> so that means loaded but inactive,
right?
838 [09:03:53] <maskd> for some reason dhclient isn't
setting the gateway when the network is brought up at boot, although
running dhclient manually or restarting NetworkManager works. does
anyone know where I should look into to debug this?
839 [09:04:57] <plasmoduck> how do I startx?
840 [09:05:06] <plasmoduck> Ive installed mate and xserver-xorg
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849 [09:13:36] <dbrgn> hello. how can I create a coredump for a
segfaulting service on debian 8?
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853 [09:14:31] <afsto> Hello, I am running debian jessie on arm.
How could I add mirrors in order to use unstable releases?
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855 [09:17:39] <yang> afsto: you could edit /etc/apt/sources.list
and replace "jessie" with "stretch" (which is
testing release) then run "apt-get update" and
"apt-get full-upgrade"
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857 [09:18:22] <afsto> Thanks yang!
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859 [09:18:31] <yang> this is if you want to migrate your system
to the testing distribution
860 [09:18:41] <alakx> Hello everyone. How can i limit sudo users
for becoming root while allowing then still do su to any other user?
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863 [09:18:59] <afsto> Yes.
864 [09:19:10] <yang> when you have done that and rebooted, you
can proceed to replace "stretch" with "sid".
Make sure before you proceed that you have the backup of everything
on HDD, if it fails to upgrade
865 [09:19:47] <afsto> I will take care of it. Thank you again!
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867 [09:19:55] <yang> afsto: good luck
868 [09:20:10] <yang> you can also use "aptitude"
instead of "apt-get" if you like
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871 [09:20:25] <afsto> I see.
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873 [09:21:38] <yang> afsto: to refer to original documentation,
I can find you the infos , hold on
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875 [09:22:29] <afsto> Ok, it is so kind of you.
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877 [09:23:15] <yang>
replaced-url
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879 [09:23:55] <afsto> I will read it carefully.
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885 [09:25:04] <yang> dbrgn: I think you should find some
instructions about how it is being done with program
"lsof"
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887 [09:25:47] <yang> afsto: actually, i just read up you were
using arm
888 [09:25:54] <shockingbehavur> hi, needing to ask...i need more
help with network ideas or how to get a home network completed
889 [09:26:27] <yang> afsto: ARM might have some specific ARM
custom kernels it would be better if you refer to #debian-arm on
irc.oftc.net for specific questions, not to break the system etc.
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892 [09:27:07] <yang> afsto: it depents if your ARM runs u-boot
etc.
893 [09:27:29] <afsto> Ok, thank you for you general help!
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895 [09:27:56] <shockingbehavur> im running debian jessie
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897 [09:28:24] <yang> shockingbehavur: what do you mean
"network completed" ?
898 [09:28:36] <afsto> Do you use pppoe or dhcp etc
899 [09:28:45] <yang> shockingbehavur: whatr do you want to
achieve ?
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902 [09:29:55] <shockingbehavur> yang... i mean ive only got
remote access with my cellphone ti desktop via ssh
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905 [09:30:22] <dbrgn> yang: how so?
906 [09:30:31] <yang> shockingbehavur: do you want to connect to
another computer at home, from your home PC/laptop ?
907 [09:30:54] <shockingbehavur> i want to achieve alot than just
ssh into a terminal
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910 [09:31:47] <yang> shockingbehavur: I don't really
understand
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914 [09:32:39] <shockingbehavur> i have computer network all in
one room and wouldnt mind what extras i guess
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918 [09:33:58] <yang> dbrgn: maybe this
replaced-url
919 [09:34:20] <shockingbehavur> i have one desktop and two
cellphones all connected to only the internet not much is happening
yang
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921 [09:36:05] <yang> dbrgn: or this
replaced-url
922 [09:36:21] <shockingbehavur> not much connected while
together
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925 [09:37:43] <yang> shockingbehavur: in general if you want to
apply network changes, you need to probably do that on your router
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928 [09:38:29] <yang> unless your router is also a debian machine
929 [09:38:58] <yang> shockingbehavur: try to also ask in channel
##networking
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932 [09:39:43] <shockingbehavur> thanks yang ill move away to
this now
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941 [09:43:14] <dbrgn> yang: debian 8 doesn't have
coredumpctl, that's why I'm asking.
942 [09:43:37] <dbrgn> yang: ulimit is set and working directory
(/tmp) is writable.
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944 [09:44:20] <yang> dbrgn: ok I don't know then
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960 [09:51:56] <suexec> I have a server that every 5/10 minutes
peaks in CPU usage. I have been trying to watch it, but been unable
to spot the culprit. I.e just now the load average reported by top
jolted to 15.7, but there were no processes consuming neither memory
nor cpu according to the same list. What's the best way of
tracking down this ?
961 [09:53:16] <suexec> Or any suggestions to further steps I can
take.. doesn't have to be the best one ;)
962 [09:53:28] <babilen> Could be IO, watch "vmstat 1"
and "iotop"
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965 [09:55:21] <suexec> Anything inparticular I should/could look
for using vmstat 1?
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971 [09:57:33] <babilen> suexec: wa in particular
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973 [09:58:48] <suexec> babilen, I will watch that and wait for
next peak. In the case this spikes .. anything I could do to prevent
this situation ?
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975 [09:58:53] <babilen> Take a look at its manpage - it explains
the various fields.
976 [09:59:07] <babilen> Are you running iotop also?
977 [09:59:07] <suexec> babilen, thank you. I found the
explanations online :)
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979 [09:59:18] <suexec> Machine doesn't have internet access
or iotop installed
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981 [09:59:45] <babilen> No, this is more of a general approach
in that it *might* allow you to figure out which part of the system
is causing the load
982 [09:59:45] <suexec> I guess iotop would show me what process
is hogging the io ?
983 [10:00:08] <babilen> Yeah, it's much like top, but lists
processes in order of write/reads
984 [10:01:01] <suexec> OK, I see a suddent jolt up to 50% wa for
a period of time .. then it drops down again
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987 [10:04:44] <babilen> So, something is performing quite a bit
of IO then
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990 [10:06:42] <suexec> babilen, the machine is virtual. Would it
remedy the problem assigning more ram/cpu ?
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997 [10:08:10] <babilen> suexec: Not necessarily - You want to
figure out which process is writing or reading data (to disk/...)
and scale that
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1000 [10:09:23] <suexec> babilen, machine is MTA and DNS. Pretty
sure it's postfix that's hogging. I installed iotop and I
see a lot of postfix' "cleanup" processes. Do you
think I need to increase the amount of children allowed to postfix ?
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1008 [10:12:39] <GermanyRulesAll> ICH SPRECHE DEUTSCH!!!!!
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1010 [10:13:03] <xormor> damn, K-Lined
1011 [10:13:26] <xormor> ich kann auch spreche ein bisschen
deutsch darum dass das habe ich es im schule gelernt.
1012 [10:13:33] <babilen> suexec: cleanup would write the
messages. You could take a look at qshape for debugging postfix
performance bottlenecks
1013 [10:14:41] <babilen> suexec:
replaced-url
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1022 [10:18:48] <Xatenev> Hi
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1024 [10:18:58] <Xatenev> I am trying to use less to view a
.tar.gz file
1025 [10:19:12] <Xatenev> but its showing encoded text only - is
less not capable of doing that @ debian yet?
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1031 [10:22:43] <petn-randall> Xatenev: try 'zless
file.tar.gz'.
1032 [10:23:10] <Xatenev> petn-randall: that shows somethign
1033 [10:23:15] <Xatenev> its really broken though :p
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1037 [10:23:55] <seb_> Hi all, what's the right channel to
discuss a debian networking problem? I am having trouble with udev
persistent network rules (which are being ignored)
1038 [10:23:58] <Xatenev> Whatever :)
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1040 [10:24:19] <petn-randall> Xatenev: That is your tar file. A
tar is a collection of files, so I'm not sure what you exactly
expect.
1041 [10:24:35] <Xatenev> petn-randall: I thought it maybe shows
me the files that are included in a good list
1042 [10:24:43] <Xatenev> petn-randall: as when i do vim my.tar
for example.
1043 [10:24:47] <Xatenev> But maybe that is not possible :)
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1046 [10:25:01] <petn-randall> Xatenev: If you want to look at the
contents, you can use 'tar' to inspect or extract it.
1047 [10:25:28] <Xatenev> oh tar does that
1048 [10:25:29] <Xatenev> ah
1049 [10:25:31] <Xatenev> my bad
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1053 [10:26:17] <Xatenev> petn-randall: Maybe you can answer me
anothre question about curl?
1054 [10:26:34] <Xatenev> I have a call like: cat myTestFile |
curl -F 'clbin=<-'
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1055 [10:26:43] <Xatenev> What is that =<- syntax - its not in
the curl manual
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1059 [10:29:10] <petn-randall> Xatenev: No idea, but maybe the
channel knows.
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1096 [10:48:18] <plasmoduck__> how can I make
network-manager-gnome manage ethernet connections?
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1101 [10:51:14] <babilen> There is typically nothing you have to
do for that -- Please note that it won't manage interfaces that
are managed in /etc/network/intferfaces by default
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1103 [10:51:24] <babilen> +speling
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1130 [11:07:18] <yossarianuk> hi - windering if anyone can help
me...
1131 [11:07:30] <yossarianuk> For PCI compliance I need to set a
timeout for remote connections - I normally use TMOUT for servers,
however we have desktops also - the issue is that on a desktop the
TMOUT closes any open terminal (xterm, etc) which is terrible for
desktop usage
1132 [11:07:50] <yossarianuk> I cannot use the SSH
'ClientAliveInterval' setting as clients are sending
packets so the setting has no effect at all.
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1135 [11:08:14] <yossarianuk> is there a way of setting TMOUT per
user, in a global file (readonly)
1136 [11:08:22] <yossarianuk> i.e not ~/.bash_profile
1137 [11:08:37] <jelly> how are you connecting to desktops
remotely?
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1139 [11:08:57] <Kiril> hello is there any way to extract .deb
package i mean to vie the source code inside ?
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1141 [11:09:26] <yossarianuk> jelly: we're not... thats the
issue. - i.e its a local desktop, but sysadmins remote (via SSH) to
admin it
1142 [11:09:57] <yossarianuk> so really I want the TMOUT setting
for local users to 0 and everyone else to 900..
1143 [11:10:09] <jelly> so you need to set timeout for ssh
connections, not shells
1144 [11:10:30] <yossarianuk> jelly: doesn;t work setting
ClientAliveInterval
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1146 [11:10:50] <yossarianuk> as the clients are set to send
packets..
1147 [11:10:58] <yossarianuk> so doesn;t drop connection
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1150 [11:11:14] <fishsticks> Xatenev: you can use zless to view
zipped files or zmore
1151 [11:11:25] <jelly> yossarianuk: I'd look at pam_env and
set an additional variable for ssh service only
1152 [11:11:35] <Iridos> Kiril, .deb packages are binary packages
1153 [11:11:35] <fishsticks> if the contents are text files
1154 [11:11:48] <yossarianuk> jelly: ah - thats a really good idea
!
1155 [11:11:49] <yossarianuk> cheers
1156 [11:11:58] <yossarianuk> that's why I asked here.....
1157 [11:12:10] <Kiril> Iridos i am aware of this.
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1159 [11:12:18] <Kiril> May be with core file ;)
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1162 [11:12:48] <Iridos> so phrase the question in a way that
makes sense…
1163 [11:13:19] <Iridos> you can unpack .deb packages,
they're ar archives with tar files inside
1164 [11:13:24] <jelly> yossarianuk: whether this will work, will
that shell accept and use the predefined TMOUT value at all, is
another thing
1165 [11:13:57] <Iridos> but obviously you cannot get the source
by unpacking them (except for scripts where source and program are
the same)
1166 [11:13:59] <jelly> Kiril: dpkg-deb has --extract and you give
it a deb file and a directory to extract into
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1168 [11:14:16] <yossarianuk> jellly: worth a try ! thanks
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1173 [11:15:48] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1186 [11:25:37] <pantato> if I want to end up having the very
latest debian , which version should i install initially?
1187 [11:25:53] <pantato> i'm grabbing 8.7 stable lxde right
now
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1191 [11:28:25] <pantato> nevermind, i found the guide
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1193 [11:29:55] <babilen> pantato: Which is "the very latest
debian" ? The current stable release? A development release
such as testing/stretch? Unstable?
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1195 [11:30:31] <pantato> babilen: SID is what I was asking about.
I got it now, though.
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1198 [11:32:01] <babilen> pantato: For that I'd probably grab
the latest stretch installer and just add sid to sources
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1200 [11:32:26] <babilen> dpkg: ssm
1201 [11:32:26] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"stretch";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security stretch lines and change one
set to sid, then apt-get update. apt-get -t sid install foo; to
install foo from sid rather than stretch as usual. WARNING to
SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set
Preferences->Distribution. See <jum caveat> and use this
setup to track <stretch> after its release.
1202 [11:33:05] <babilen> You could use ^^^ to keep it on stretch
after the release (might be a little less bumpy in the first couple
of weeks)
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1204 [11:34:32] <pantato> babilen: thanks. Guide says to apt-get
dist-upgrade
1205 [11:34:38] <pantato> but i'm sure your method is just as
viable
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1209 [11:36:01] <bernhardr> run into a problem with my current
debian server ssd drive (boot partition is to small so i cant
upgrade to a new kernel).
1210 [11:36:01] <bernhardr> Now i would like to try to resize that
space. But to make sure that i do not destroy the working server ssd
drive, i would like to clone this boot drive to another disk (and
boot from it) to see if i am able to resize the disk without
problems.
1211 [11:36:01] <bernhardr> So question is, can i Clone a 120 GB
SSD drive with Debian server to 240 GB WD harddrive ?
1212 [11:36:01] <bernhardr> If this is possible i would try to
boot the cloned image on the 240 GB disk to see if i can resize the
partitions with LVM
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1215 [11:36:18] <pantato> would it be a disaster if i tried
installing via usb stick in a usb 3.1 slot?
1216 [11:36:25] <bernhardr> Or are there other suggestions ?
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1220 [11:38:29] <babilen> pantato: At this point in the release
cycle I'd just take it from stretch, but I'd hope that you
don't run into too many problems during the upgrade from jessie
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1222 [11:40:39] <pantato> babilen: stretch?
1223 [11:40:57] <pantato> looks like unetbootin is giving me the
option to create an unstable stick off the bat
1224 [11:41:04] <pantato> i also get the option for
"testing"
1225 [11:41:14] <pantato> is there a difference? or is it
outdated?
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1229 [11:42:27] <pantato> oh ok testing is between stable and
unstable
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1231 [11:42:41] <petn-randall> Can anyone tell me how compatible
SNTP is with NTP? Wikipedia says it uses "the same
protocol", but the client doesn't track state (I'm
guessing clock drift). I'm asking because I have a Dell
PowerConnect switch that can only sync via SNTP.
1232 [11:43:45] <Papillon> presumably sntp is just ntp in an ssl
tunnel
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1234 [11:44:10] <petn-randall> Papillon: The S stands for
"simple".
1235 [11:44:21] <Papillon> huh
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1238 [11:44:27] <Papillon> confusing
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1244 [11:46:05] <babilen> pantato: You really don't want to
use unetbootin at all
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1249 [11:47:08] <babilen> pantato:
replaced-url
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1251 [11:47:53] <BluesKaj> bernhardr, yes use dd to copy the
source image/partition to the target partition, just make sure thet
target partition is slightly larger than the source partition
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1253 [11:48:48] <babilen> Or just use cp
1254 [11:49:17] <bernhardr> BluesKaj so can i use it to clone the
120 gb ssd to a 240 wd harddisk? will it boor from the 240gb wd then
?
1255 [11:49:48] <bernhardr> dd or cp
1256 [11:49:55] <bernhardr> or meaby clonezilla ?
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1261 [11:51:17] <bernhardr> i would just like to connect an extra
hd to the mainboard and clone the ssd disk.. then remove the ssd
disk (temporarily) and boot from the HD to see if i can resize the
boot partiotion withou any problems
1262 [11:51:22] <Aebian> if I want to run a specific
cron-tab'ed script as a specific user then will this just do
the job? /bin/su - stpuser -c
1263 [11:51:32] <babilen> bernhardr: You'll have to resize
the ... right
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1269 [11:53:08] <BluesKaj> bernhardr, yes, but make sure you size
the partitionon on the 240 to the same or slightly larger than the
source partition. Recommend you do some reaerch aboutr dd first if
you haven't used it before.
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1272 [11:53:46] <bernhardr> babilen, yes i think i would need to
resize rootfs (but are afraid that i destroy my ssd hd (server
install)..
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1275 [11:54:31] <bernhardr> get this message, cannot copy
extracted data for /dvb-usb/dvb-usb-af9015.ko' to
'/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-af9015.ko.dpkg-new':
failed to write (No space left on device)
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1277 [11:55:54] <babilen> That sounds as if you are copying files
rather than block devices
1278 [11:55:59] <bernhardr> or might there be another way to clean
up..
1279 [11:56:01] <bernhardr> rootfs 322M 265M 41M 87% /
1280 [11:56:16] <bernhardr> cant write the new kernel
1281 [11:56:46] <bernhardr> already tried apt-get autoclean
1282 [11:57:01] <bernhardr> but size stays the same
1283 [11:58:20] <babilen> "clean"
1284 [11:58:30] <babilen> autoclean keeps installed packages
1285 [11:59:22] <BluesKaj> bernhardr, don't make it too
complicated , you aren't destroying your source partition using
dd to another ssd or disk , it still exists, no need to experiment
1286 [11:59:59] <BluesKaj> bernhardr, cp won't clone
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1288 [12:03:38] <Iridos> cp will do the same thing as dd if you
don't limit dd to stop before the end of the source file
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1293 [12:05:15] <Iridos> 322M isn't much for a root partition
^^
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1295 [12:05:19] <BluesKaj> Iridos, it won't, cp doesn't
make the image bootable
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1297 [12:05:35] <Iridos> neither does dd
1298 [12:05:53] <BluesKaj> oh lord
1299 [12:06:18] <Iridos> or… both do if you copy the whole
disk, because it's just a flag saying if a partition is
bootable…
1300 [12:06:54] <Iridos> BluesKaj, he was speaking about copying
the raw device… well, at least I hope he was because
that's the only thing that'd make sense
1301 [12:07:25] <babilen> cp and dd just copy data .. the result
isn't different in the end and it only matters if you are
planning to use dd's options to, for example, only copy
segments of files/devices
1302 [12:07:43] <BluesKaj> he wants to clone , cp won't clone
,
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1304 [12:08:01] <babilen> cp copies data just fine
1305 [12:08:08] <TimurTheLame> babilen, BluesKaj is right
1306 [12:08:13] <babilen> How so?
1307 [12:08:13] <Iridos> cp clones if you copy the correct raw
device
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1309 [12:08:33] <babilen> What's the difference between
"copy" and "clone" if I may ask?
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1311 [12:08:36] <Iridos> cp (and dd) don't clone if you copy
the files of the file system
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1317 [12:09:11] <babilen> What is the difference between "cp
/dev/sdb foo.img" and "dd if=/dev/sdb of=foo.img" ?
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1319 [12:09:33] <BluesKaj> Iridos, I'm talking about
partitions , not dirs
1320 [12:09:37] <babilen> Iridos: I'd argue that they clone
the files in that case
1321 [12:09:43] <TimurTheLame> babilen,
replaced-url
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1326 [12:10:55] <babilen> TimurTheLame: So, please explain the
difference between the commands above
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1328 [12:11:02] <Iridos> TimurTheLame, that's a link
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1330 [12:11:22] <TimurTheLame> babilen, nothing wrong with being
wrong once in a while, you know :P
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1334 [12:11:38] <TimurTheLame> babilen, no need to turn this into
a 30-minute shouting match :D
1335 [12:11:38] <babilen> Indeed ;)
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1337 [12:12:10] <TimurTheLame> If you want to clone, use dd
1338 [12:12:15] <Iridos> or cp
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1341 [12:12:38] <BluesKaj> I'm not debating this, but
I's like to see cp-ing a partition work
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1343 [12:12:54] <Iridos> I still suspect we may be talking about
different things…
1344 [12:12:57] <babilen> BluesKaj: Then why don't you try
it?
1345 [12:12:58] <Iridos> BluesKaj, then just do it?
1346 [12:12:59] <Iridos> heh
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1348 [12:13:37] <BluesKaj> no need, I can use dd because I know it
works
1349 [12:13:46] <TimurTheLame> Iridos, cp copies FILES while dd
copies the raw data that is on a device/partition
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1352 [12:14:02] <babilen> TimurTheLame: You might want to start by
explaining why both "dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb" and
"cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" result in the same result
1353 [12:14:03] <Iridos> TimurTheLame, in your link someone says
exactly the same thing as I did, only a little bit more verbosee:
They do the same thing UNLESS you are specifying one of the options
to dd which limits which bytes are copied, such as seek or skip or
count or if you use the dd options to mutate bytes such as conv.
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1355 [12:14:23] <Iridos> TimurTheLame, cp and dd both copy
whatever you give them as arguments.
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1357 [12:14:56] <babilen> But .. as you say .. it is fine to be
wrong every now and then
1358 [12:15:01] <Iridos> dd and cp just have different extra
mumbo-jumbo
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1360 [12:15:20] <Iridos> so cp can copy directories recursively
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1364 [12:15:38] <TimurTheLame> Uh, whatever
1365 [12:15:41] <Iridos> and dd has options to limit copying to a
certain amount of data and other options
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1368 [12:16:34] <TimurTheLame> Hmm. You guys are actually right.
:P
1369 [12:16:35] <babilen> And, fwiw, if you *really* need dd as
you want to, for example, create partial copies you might want to
look at dclfdd in lieu of dd
1370 [12:16:37] <TimurTheLame> My bad
1371 [12:16:37] <pantato> why does linux seem to have so much
trouble with crt monitors? i would have figured linux would love my
crt
1372 [12:16:52] <TimurTheLame> I thought you couldn't clone
partitions with cp
1373 [12:17:05] <TimurTheLame> But I just did
1374 [12:17:08] <babilen> It's a common myth that dd has
"super powers"
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1377 [12:17:30] <babilen> Or is more low-level ..
1378 [12:17:50] <TimurTheLame> TIL
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1381 [12:19:02] <Papillon> linux seems to be on a fucking over old
tech kick
1382 [12:19:07] <bernhardr> So actually what would do the job for
me, clone the ssd to HD so that i can directly boot from it ? Is
this possible ?
1383 [12:19:17] <Papillon> dumping non x86 architectures, dumping
32 bit
1384 [12:19:18] <pantato> Papillon: that's what it feels like
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1386 [12:20:22] <Papillon> the 586 only added one instruction that
the linux kernel doesn't even use, but debian decided to drop
486 support and move to 586 support minimum just so someone could
say they did something stupid
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1389 [12:21:05] <babilen> There's quite a large number of
packages besides linux-image*
1390 [12:21:34] <Papillon> the implementation of the instruction
is such that using it hurts performance
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1392 [12:22:31] <Papillon> and even if it didn't, I really
don't think anyone could justify it
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1395 [12:23:22] <eduardas_m> hello, is there anyone I can ask
about how uvcdynctrl and libwebcam are maintained?
1396 [12:23:42] <petn-randall> !ask
1397 [12:23:42] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
1398 [12:24:01] <Papillon> you could ask their maintainers, their
identities and emails should be on the package page on
package.debian.org or something
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1400 [12:24:45] <Papillon> they might also show up if you do a
dpkg -i or something
1401 [12:24:50] <Papillon> there might be an apt command
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1404 [12:25:03] <Papillon> apt info maybe
1405 [12:25:05] <Xatenev> Hello
1406 [12:25:12] <Xatenev> cat test1 | cat < - > test3 -
Shouldnt that create a new file named test3?
1407 [12:25:13] <petn-randall> Papillon: It's usually a good
idea to ask in here before redirecting people to mail the
maintainers directly.
1408 [12:25:17] <petn-randall> also:
1409 [12:25:18] <Xatenev> With the same content as test1 has?
1410 [12:25:20] <petn-randall> !enter
1411 [12:25:20] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
1412 [12:25:43] <apt> maybe: (control filesystem modifications
before they occur), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.4.0-1
(sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 49 kB
1413 [12:26:25] <Papillon> hey, if someone answer them here
that's great
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1417 [12:27:24] <l4kj> Hi guys. I have a python script which
should run every 4 hours. How can I achieve this through cron?
1418 [12:27:46] <petn-randall> Xatenev: That's a bit
convoluted, 'cat test1 > test3' would work, or a simple
'cp test1 test3'.
1419 [12:27:55] <Xatenev> petn-randall: Yes i know - im practicing
1420 [12:28:01] <Xatenev> petn-randall: And imho that
"complicated" way should work, or not?
1421 [12:29:24] <petn-randall> Xatenev: What happens if you do it?
1422 [12:29:32] <Xatenev> petn-randall: I get the error bash: -:
File not found
1423 [12:30:09] <petn-randall> Xatenev: That is because <
expects a filename, and in this case it doesn't find a file
with that name.
1424 [12:30:32] <Xatenev> petn-randall: Does it? I thought <
only redirects stdin ?
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1427 [12:31:09] <Xatenev> Oh that makes no sense, the stdin is
automatically passed
1428 [12:31:10] <Xatenev> Ur right
1429 [12:31:13] <Xatenev> cat test1 | cat - > test3 works
1430 [12:31:32] <Xatenev> petn-randall: thank you.. again :)
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1432 [12:32:35] <petn-randall> Xatenev: You don't even need
to '-' in the command after the pipe. 'cat test1 |
cat > test3' works just fine.
1433 [12:32:44] <bernhardr> TimurTheLame so cp would clone the ssd
drive to HD and i would be able to boot from the HD ?
1434 [12:32:48] <Xatenev> petn-randall: true
1435 [12:33:06] <Xatenev> petn-randall: but I remember cat - a lot
easier :D its more readable for me
1436 [12:33:11] <petn-randall> !useless use of cat
1437 [12:33:11] <dpkg> UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given
out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell.
Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename |
grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern
filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier
to type and marginally more efficient.
1438 [12:33:15] <petn-randall> Xatenev: ^^^ :)
1439 [12:33:17] <Xatenev> :)
1440 [12:33:18] <Xatenev> wohoo
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1442 [12:34:42] <Urchin> petn-randall: does he have a chance to
win?
1443 [12:35:03] <pantato> i'm experiencing overscan on my
bios, my terminal, and x screen :/ ... it wasnt doing this before
tinkering
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1450 [12:36:52] <embrik> Can anyone help me connecting to wireless
at school? Domain, username and passwd
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1452 [12:37:13] <embrik> Am using debian, jessie, networkmanager
wicd
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1456 [12:41:42] <TomTomTosch> embrik: does your school have
instructions online?
1457 [12:41:53] <pantato> hmm looks like i fixed my overscan with
some random gaming option in the bios tuning wizard
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1459 [12:41:59] <pantato> computers are so random
1460 [12:42:33] <embrik> TomTomTosch: No
1461 [12:42:47] <fishsticks> if by random you mean either 0 or 1
then you are correct
1462 [12:42:59] <embrik> TomTomTosch: I have username, passwd and
domain name
1463 [12:44:48] <embrik> TomTomTosch: Encryption WPA2 PEAP - I get
"Wrong passwd". But I know it's the right pwd
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1468 [12:47:35] <TomTomTosch> then it might be the username. try
username and username@domain really depends on how your school has
set things up.
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1477 [12:55:13] <pantato>
replaced-url
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1479 [12:56:16] <TomTomTosch> pantato: did you add contrib and
non-free to your sources and run aptitude update?
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1482 [12:58:26] <pantato> TomTomTosch: ah it didn't tell me
to do that :P
1483 [12:58:46] <TomTomTosch> but it did...
1484 [12:59:37] <TomTomTosch> it's step 1 and 2 ^^
1485 [12:59:46] <pantato> TomTomTosch: what the heck...not sure
how i missed that. I'm tired. Sorry
1486 [13:00:00] <TomTomTosch> it happens. ^^
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1500 [13:07:04] <pantato> yay!! i fixed my resolution
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1504 [13:09:58] <Haris> hello all
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1507 [13:10:38] <Haris> what's the release cycle or support
for current release or for nagios/zabbix pkgs on it. I understand
the pkg or dist upgrade command moves one install flawlessly to the
next version
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1514 [13:14:23] <Haris> guys ?
1515 [13:14:48] <pantato> i think it's dead in here right now
Haris. I'd answer if I knew
1516 [13:14:57] <Haris> np
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1520 [13:16:27] <txdv> in what directory are i386 packages
installed?
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1524 [13:17:18] <BluesKaj> Haris, I'm on stretch and nagios
is in the repos, but that's all i know
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1527 [13:18:24] <pantato> how do i overclock my mouse on debian?
on ubuntu 14.04 i could put an option in /etc/modules for usbhid
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1530 [13:18:43] <ezra-s> Haris: you can try "apt-cache show
package" see who is the maintainer and ask him/her
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1539 [13:22:40] <Haris> don't have a debian box accessible
yet
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1541 [13:25:31] <pantato> what does it mean when I've
successfully changed my usbhid option to 2 and my mouse is still not
overclocked?
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1544 [13:27:10] <seb_> Has anyone else out there had trouble with
udev for network device naming in Jessie? I've just given up on
a project to install a 4 port card to stand in place of a network
hub because I couldn't get the device names to be predictable!
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1558 [13:35:24] <darxmurf> hum, NFS is "overwriting" the
rights in subfolders ? I have an export like "/opt/
myserver(ro)" follower by "/opt/data myserver(rw)"
but I can't write in the /opt/data folder
1559 [13:35:43] <darxmurf> if I kick out the /opt export, I can
write in the other one
1560 [13:35:44] * BluesKaj wonders why a mouse needs overclocking
....games?
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1563 [13:36:04] <Papillon> yea
1564 [13:36:09] <Papillon> pointer update speed
1565 [13:36:13] <Papillon> 144hz yo
1566 [13:36:20] <darxmurf> BluesKaj: maybe 1000 fps for a lazer
sensor is still too slow :-x
1567 [13:37:13] <koollman> darxmurf: iirc, in nfs first match is
used. try putting the exports in the reverse order
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1569 [13:37:45] <darxmurf> yep I tried already
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1582 [13:44:30] <ezra-s> Haris: you can get the same info from
packages.debian.org
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1590 [13:50:51] <gr8> what is the best way to install
replaced-url
1591 [13:51:14] <gr8> I can't find it in the debian
repository
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1598 [13:55:19] <petn-randall> gr8: It's not packaged in
Debian. The best way is the one described on their web page.
1599 [13:55:49] <ezra-s> doens't look like it's being
updated much
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1603 [13:56:58] <ezra-s> nevermind, I was looking at an outdated
mirror
1604 [13:57:48] <petn-randall> gr8: You'd have to keep track
of security updates by hand, which is why I wouldn't recommend
using that.
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1609 [13:59:25] <gr8> petn-randall: what would you recommend?
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1611 [13:59:49] <petn-randall> gr8: Just use chromium or firefox.
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1613 [14:00:33] <gr8> but why isn't gnuzilla packaged for
debian? It's GNU software and it's nice for privacy
1614 [14:00:52] <Haris> hmm
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1618 [14:02:11] <petn-randall> gr8: Then file a ITP bug and start
packaging. :)
1619 [14:02:32] <hanasaki> in evolution calendar : how do you make
it show just hours 8am to 6pm? it is showing all 24 hrs
1620 [14:02:33] <ezra-s> gr8: there is no maintainer for it
1621 [14:03:31] <gr8> interesting.
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1633 [14:12:20] <jimmi1010> ciao
1634 [14:12:23] <jimmi1010> !list
1635 [14:12:24] <dpkg> jimmi1010: Debian è un sistema
operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da
quello di gratis): vedi
replaced-url
1636 [14:12:57] <GNU\colossus> lol
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1639 [14:13:10] <Raven737> Hi, question, is there some kind of
tool that allows one to find a system that has an invalid network
configuration (i.e. static 192.168.x.x but you're working with
10.x.x.x) and perhaps even set the network configuration? Something
like a mdns listener but for, i guess, mac level?
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1641 [14:15:15] <petn-randall> Raven737: You could listen to
traffic on promiscuous mode, that could show any traffic that
doesn't belong.
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1645 [14:16:16] <Raven737> I would like to make a standard image
for a rapi that I want to use without having to create DHCP servers
and such. Just plug it in (no monitor or antything) and from another
system, run tool "findsystem", then run too
"setsystemip" etc.
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1647 [14:17:21] <Raven737> I mean i can try to make software like
that myself. I was just wondering if there isn't already a
standard solution for it.
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1651 [14:17:58] <petn-randall> !raspbian
1652 [14:17:58] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
replaced-url
1653 [14:18:10] <petn-randall> Raven737: You may ask in the right
channel. ^^^
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1656 [14:20:00] <Raven737> petn-randall: yes, it was a more genral
question. Actually I am working on a debian image, not a rapi one,
just would like to use it for that too later on. What I am asking is
if there is a standard software soltuion that can be installed with
apt-get that will listen for traffic and respond to it when queried
to identify itself that will work even if the network is
missconfigured
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1662 [14:21:17] <Raven737> petn-randall: a lot of simple devices,
like ethernet over powerline adapters, have software like that
installed so they can be configured even when they don't have a
valid network configuration
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1665 [14:21:28] <petn-randall> Raven737: no, I'm not aware of
such software. Unfortunately Raspbian is a bit different to Debian,
for example backports don't exist on the former, so you might
find a solution on Debian that doesn't work on Raspbian.
1666 [14:22:09] <Raven737> petn-randall: if i find a solution then
i am willing to compile it for rapsian :)
1667 [14:22:44] <petn-randall> Raven737: Only way would be to
switch the interface to such a configuration and ping sweep the
subnet. But the devices would only respond when the scanner's
IP is within the configured subnet, so the chance to miss a device
is quite high.
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1675 [14:29:51] <Raven737> petn-randall: yes, that's not how
it should be done. You should use broadcast. Either mac lebel or udp
global (if that goes past subnet on the same network).
1676 [14:30:25] <petn-randall> Raven737: ... and how do you know
the broadcast address without knowing the subnet?
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1678 [14:30:45] <Raven737> petn-randall: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF ?
255.255.255.255?
1679 [14:31:42] <petn-randall> Raven737: And why would a device
respond to that?
1680 [14:31:46] <Raven737> that's why i said mac level or udp
global (there is also subnet broadcast for which you need to know
the subnet, of course :)
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1682 [14:32:00] <Raven737> petn-randall: well... they already
do... with arp
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1685 [14:32:19] <petn-randall> Raven737: What type of ARP?
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1687 [14:32:25] <Raven737> arp request is a mac level broadcast...
it's just that arp
1688 [14:32:52] <Raven737> apr request to resolve ip to mac
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1690 [14:33:33] <petn-randall> AFAIR they're always from a
specific source address, and if that's not within the subnet,
I'd expect the devices to ignore it.
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1692 [14:34:06] <petn-randall> Completely untested, but I'd
expect a few fundamental things to break if that were the case.
1693 [14:34:13] <Raven737> petn-randall: i think the network stack
does not ignore it, a software can handle it
1694 [14:34:41] <sypher> That's one variety of gratuitous
ARP, and the normal behavior is no reply.
1695 [14:34:46] <petn-randall> Raven737: You can always test it,
and if it works, bundle the software and package it for Debian. :)
1696 [14:35:06] <Raven737> petn-randall: well, as i said,
it's already being used in many embedded linux systems so i
thought maybe somehting already exists as a ready to consume packet
;-)
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1700 [14:35:28] <petn-randall> The software already exists?
1701 [14:35:56] <Raven737> petn-randall: I mean it is being used,
it may not be open source or if it is i don't know it..
that's why i was asking :)
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1703 [14:36:37] <petn-randall> Raven737: How do you know? Do you
have such a device?
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1705 [14:37:49] <Raven737> petn-randall: yes, i do, a few
actually. a ethernet over powerline adapter, some io module that
works by ethernet, some protocol converterbox.. a lot of embedded
devices use it
1706 [14:37:58] <sypher> 1. Devices simply take a standard network
interface configuration prior to being configured for the
environment. Just because they don't have internet connectivity
doesn't mean they don't have valid NIC settings. 2. Only
ARP requests are sent to the broadcast MAC, and only the system
whose IP is in the request will respond.
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1710 [14:38:31] <sypher> This sounds like a lot of misconception
and misunderstanding as to how networks function.
1711 [14:39:09] <Raven737> sypher: I know what the limitation of
arp is. You don't need to use arp. You can use your own mac
level protocol
1712 [14:39:28] <petn-randall> ???
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1714 [14:39:34] <Raven737> I bough a few different china full hd
ip cams... they all have this
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1717 [14:40:01] <sypher> So you're trying to write your own
version of LLDP, basically.
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1722 [14:40:46] <Raven737> configured for 192.168.0.10 or
something... totally different from my network... with the included
software i can find it immedietly.. with tcpdump i can see it uses
mac level broadcast to which the cam responds... then sends similar
mac level unicast to set the network configuration
1723 [14:40:52] <petn-randall> Raven737: I was asking if such a
network scanner which we discussed existed. It's a given that
many embedded devices use ARP, you don't need to tell me that..
1724 [14:41:06] <Raven737> i don't know what lldp is
1725 [14:41:09] <Raven737> that is why i ask xD
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1727 [14:41:31] <Raven737> googleing lldp
1728 [14:41:41] <sypher> Raven737: Either way, this is pretty far
off-topic for #debian.
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1730 [14:42:22] <Raven737> sypher: I wanted to know if there is a
package that i can install... if lldp is the solution, i am sure
there are many, i want it for debian so.. i thought i would be
correct and sorry i don't know what it's called
1731 [14:42:36] <Raven737> sypher: so i try to explain what i am
looking for
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1733 [14:43:32] <Raven737> wow, yes lldp sound exactly like that i
need =)
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1735 [14:43:43] <sypher> If this stuff is using L2 broadcasts as a
discovery mechanism, that is a gross misimplementation.
1736 [14:43:44] <galex-713> Hi
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1738 [14:43:56] <petn-randall> Raven737: LLDP is a protocol. You
might want to read up on the relevant networking parts. TL;DR:
It's tricky to write a network scanner you want to have because
you'll always get false negatives.
1739 [14:43:58] <galex-713> just fixed back an xfce debian stable
install
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1741 [14:44:13] <galex-713> so now lightdm works
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1743 [14:44:25] <galex-713> but if I login then the screen goes
blanks and I get the lightdm screen again
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1745 [14:44:35] <galex-713> like xfce4 won’t start
1746 [14:44:47] <galex-713> so where can I find the errors that
says why won’t it start?
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1748 [14:45:00] <Raven737> sypher: thank you! yes, maybe horrible
but if it works and you can't tell me a better solution... i
uhh guess i will try it? :)
1749 [14:45:27] <NeilHanlon> is it "safe" to upgrade to
stretch right now?
1750 [14:45:39] <NeilHanlon> or should I wait until the official
release
1751 [14:46:28] <Raven737> sypher: no worries, it will be only for
small local networks so i think it would be ok for that...
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1753 [14:46:46] <sypher> NeilHanlon: I'd wait.
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1755 [14:47:08] <petn-randall> NeilHanlon: Rule of thumb with
testing/unstable is: If you have to ask, the answer is no. :)
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1764 [14:51:12] <galex-713> any idea?
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1772 [14:55:54] <Iridos> dpkg, any idea?
1773 [14:55:55] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a
sack full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a dozen rabid
hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes!
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1776 [14:57:04] <Iridos> galex-713, check if the disk is full
first
1777 [14:57:20] <nkuttler> somebody apparently sent me google
calendar events by mail, but icedove doesn't render anything.
any ideas why? does that require scripting, or can i get a debug
console, ..
1778 [14:57:39] <NeilHanlon> sypher petn-randall: I figured as
much. Just some packages in stretch I want to install :( haha
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1783 [14:58:44] <Iridos> nkuttler, I think icedove doesn't
have a calendar integrated? The point of those things is that the
appoinment is automatically put into your calendar, as far as I
understand it
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1786 [14:59:36] <nkuttler> Iridos: i see, ty. it's just odd
that i don't even see an attachment
1787 [14:59:55] <Iridos> then maybe they didn't really send
it…
1788 [15:00:09] <Iridos> they're smallish text files with an
".ics" ending, iirc
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1791 [15:01:01] <Iridos> NeilHanlon, only these left
replaced-url
1792 [15:01:12] <nkuttler> Iridos: they show fine in gmail though
:|
1793 [15:01:23] <Iridos> you can always join in the exciting hunt
for bugs before the release… haven't heard they ever
reject people ^^
1794 [15:01:29] <nkuttler> aaanyway.. i can use gmail, more
billable hours .oO
1795 [15:01:44] <Iridos> that's pretty weird
1796 [15:01:49] <nkuttler> yeah
1797 [15:01:51] <Iridos> I haven't tried icedove
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1799 [15:02:22] <Iridos> evolution shows them as an
attachment… not sure it enters them into the internal
calendar
1800 [15:02:36] <NeilHanlon> Iridos: only 200 bugs. that
shouldn't take long! :P
1801 [15:02:58] <galex-713_> Iridos, afaik now it’s
thunderbird again
1802 [15:02:59] <Iridos> NeilHanlon, well… you can always
write new bug reports for stuff that's not in there
1803 [15:03:06] <nkuttler> Iridos: ah, let me try evolution
1804 [15:03:15] <galex-713_> there's clawsmail too
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1806 [15:03:33] <nkuttler> i tried geary, that just showed a
"none" attachment it didn't open
1807 [15:03:36] <jhutchins_wk> nkuttler: You may have heard that
icedove/thunderbird is one of the most horrible mail clients ever
devised.
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1810 [15:03:55] <Iridos> uh. I tried clawsmail some years
ago… it's so long I can't remember details, but it
was horrible
1811 [15:04:09] <Iridos> maybe it changed in the time since I did,
though
1812 [15:04:11] <nkuttler> mutt is the only good email client
anyway
1813 [15:04:22] <jhutchins_wk> Pegasus is ok by itself, but does
not play well with others.
1814 [15:04:34] <Iridos> nkuttler, no, keybindings suck…
only alpine works well
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1816 [15:04:53] * jhutchins_wk vots for pine
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1818 [15:05:17] <Iridos> dpkg, start an email client war
1819 [15:05:17] <dpkg> Iridos: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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1821 [15:05:41] <Iridos> pfft
1822 [15:05:53] <jhutchins_wk> Pine does about 99% of what I need,
squirrelmail about 90%.
1823 [15:06:26] <galex-713_> also checkroot.sh timeouts at boot
and then / remain read-only
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1825 [15:07:03] <galex-713_> Iridos, why are clawsmail and
thunderbird horrible?
1826 [15:07:08] <galex-713_> jhutchins_wk, ^
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1831 [15:11:11] <petn-randall> NeilHanlon: Which packages? We have
jessie-backports for that.
1832 [15:11:25] <NeilHanlon> gnome-calendar, quassel-*
1833 [15:11:33] <NeilHanlon> possibly some more I've
forgotten about
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1835 [15:11:38] <NeilHanlon> they don't appear to be
backported
1836 [15:11:42] <nkuttler> Iridos: evolution seems to work nicely,
thanks again
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1839 [15:14:45] <nkuttler> i think i haven't touched
evolution in at least ten years.. used to be too tightly integrated
with gnome
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1850 [15:19:39] <galex-713_> checkroot.sh timeouts, any idea of
how to debug this?
1851 [15:19:48] <galex-713_> also lightdm not starting xfce
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1856 [15:20:46] <nkuttler> galex-713_: the latter sounds like an
xfce problem ~/.xsession-errors, or perhaps delete your xfce config
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1859 [15:22:02] <galex-713_> I have no xfce config
1860 [15:22:09] <galex-713_> and there is no .xsession-errors
1861 [15:22:17] <galex-713_> it’s a fresh install
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1866 [15:23:10] <galex-713_> nkuttler, ^
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1870 [15:23:39] <nkuttler> galex-713_: can you launch any desktop
environment?
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1872 [15:23:48] <galex-713_> yes, under root, using startx
1873 [15:24:10] <galex-713_> I can do # “startx
startxfce4” and it works, under root
1874 [15:24:10] <nkuttler> galex-713_: what happens when you
startx as user?
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1876 [15:24:30] <galex-713_> something about unable to create
files in /tmp
1877 [15:24:43] <nkuttler> galex-713_: ls -ld /tmp/
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1879 [15:25:16] <galex-713_> drwxr-xr-t if that’s what you
want to know
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1881 [15:25:27] <galex-713_> root root (uid gid)
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1883 [15:26:21] <galex-713_> should I chmod a+rw?
1884 [15:26:30] <nkuttler> galex-713_: you need +w, yeah
1885 [15:26:40] <nkuttler> it's drwxrwxrwt on my boxes
1886 [15:26:50] <galex-713_> yeah on mine too, just checked
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1888 [15:27:03] <galex-713_> probably that
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1891 [15:27:17] <galex-713_> also, any idea on checkroot.sh?
1892 [15:27:49] <galex-713_> I have to “mount -o remount,rw
/dev/sda1 /” at each boot, that’s tedious, especially
since this computer is not for me
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1895 [15:28:07] <Finnix> hi2all
1896 [15:28:12] <nkuttler> galex-713_: not really sure what that
does, but set -x on line 2 to debug
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1898 [15:28:31] <nkuttler> galex-713_: and if your /tmp
permissions are wrong, that's an indicator more things might be
broken..
1899 [15:28:47] <galex-713_> yeah, install interrupted because no
more space
1900 [15:28:57] <nkuttler> galex-713_: eh..
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1903 [15:29:13] <nkuttler> galex-713_: does dpkg --configure -a
anything
1904 [15:29:17] <nkuttler> do anything?
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1906 [15:29:34] <galex-713_> so I did chroot, apt-get clean, dpkg
-a --configure, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; tasksel
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1908 [15:29:51] <galex-713_> also mounting the required stuff in
/proc, /dev, /sys, etc.
1909 [15:29:54] <nkuttler> galex-713_: i'd probably just
reinstall. quicker than trying to fix things..
1910 [15:30:05] <Aebian> if I want to run a specific
cron-tab'ed script as a specific user then will this just do
the job? /bin/su - stpuser -c
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1912 [15:30:28] <nkuttler> Aebian: why not add it to the crontab
of that user?
1913 [15:30:33] <galex-713_> well, that’s pretty long, also
at the time I didn’t have another solid storage, and most of
time I don’t have internet, and yet that’s quite slow
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1924 [15:33:47] <Aebian> nkuttler: hmm yeah good pint, thanks
1925 [15:33:51] <Aebian> *point
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1932 [15:37:04] <Iridos> nkuttler, maybe I should also try
thunderbird… I have a lot of gripes with evolution
1933 [15:37:26] <Iridos> I might actually quite like mutt if the
keybindings didn't drive me crazy
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1944 [15:41:06] <centrx> Thunderbird sucks too
1945 [15:41:11] <centrx> nothing beats Gmail
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1947 [15:41:26] <Aebian> I like inbox
1948 [15:41:26] <atralheaven_> Hi, I've used the split -n
command to split a file into two files, now I want to put them
together and create the original file from them, should I use join
command or cat?
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1954 [15:42:07] <atralheaven_> I think both will work but which
tool is for this purpose?
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1960 [15:44:00] <Iridos> have a look at "man join" and
it should be quite obvious what that does
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1964 [15:45:35] <atralheaven_> Iridos: you mean join is should be
used for text only? because I saw both cat and join being used after
using split
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1983 [15:50:06] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: It sounds a lot like
you have a seriously horked disk.
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1985 [15:50:44] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: You shouldn't have
to manually do that much low-level stuff.
1986 [15:50:57] <Iridos> atralheaven_, "For each pair of
input lines with identical join fields, write a line to standard
output. "
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1988 [15:51:13] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: I would suggest booting
to live media and doing a fsck.
1989 [15:51:40] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: If you don't find
hardware problems, I would strongl suspect that your install media
might not be good.
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1992 [15:51:57] <Iridos> isn't it quite clear what that says?
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1996 [15:52:07] <jim> I'm toying with the idea of building a
python 3.6... would I build a package for that? should I avoid
putting it in system-wide places?
1997 [15:52:35] <Iridos> judd, versions python3
1998 [15:52:36] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; sid: 3.5.3-1
1999 [15:52:48] <jim> yeah read that already :)
2000 [15:52:59] <Iridos> well, I hadn't
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2004 [15:54:46] <jim> ok... what do you think?
2005 [15:54:52] <Iridos> dunno
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2009 [15:56:05] <Iridos> I don't think system scripts use
python3 yet … but apt-rdepends -r python3 …
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2012 [15:56:16] <jim> apt-get build-dep python3 ; get source,
configure--prefix=/home/me/inst-py36; make; make install?
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2016 [15:56:49] <galex-713_> jhutchins_wk, the fs is clean,
already checked
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2020 [15:57:15] <Iridos> not sure if I'd prefer building
outside the package system… guess depends on the actual use
case
2021 [15:57:25] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: Then with the errors
you're getting I suspect a corrupt install.
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2025 [15:57:53] <jhutchins_wk> jim: What's the motivation
behind going to 3.6/
2026 [15:57:55] <jhutchins_wk> ?
2027 [15:57:56] <hiya> how to set the Power Management to balanced
or powersave mode in Debian like we do in Windows?
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2030 [15:58:03] <galex-713_> jhutchins_wk, the usb stick I made
the install on (it’s on a computer with a broken hard disk so
I use the usb stick as replacement) works fine, but is only 4G, and
I set up a 512M swap (same size of RAM, this way it can hibernates
for example), so I have a bit more than 3G for the system
2031 [15:58:12] <Iridos> but there's a lot of things that
depend on python3… I think I'd very much try to avoid
them to break
2032 [15:58:13] <jim> I just wanna play with it
2033 [15:58:35] <galex-713_> yeah of course, since I said the
install was aborted while it was installing packages, that’s
why I “fixed” it with dpkg, apt-get and tasksel
2034 [15:58:37] <jhutchins_wk> hiya: Do not attempt to apply
Windows concepts to Linux. Focus instead on the actual goals.
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2037 [15:59:10] <xormor> RemixOS is trash. It could not find my
Wi-Fi from my cell phone (Samsung), and it did not have any options
to use my USB modem Internet.
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2039 [15:59:33] <hiya> jhutchins_wk, my laptop freezes when I plug
in the power, it is so sluggish. On battery it is smooth as butter
2040 [15:59:36] <hiya> What could be done?
2041 [15:59:45] <jhutchins_wk> jim: You could try it in a chroot
and see what it breaks, or take some other container-like approach,
or just install it outside the normal path.
2042 [15:59:48] <jim> see what new stuff it has... plus, raymond
hettinger (python core dev) is filmed in talks that get to youtube,
and he's pretty often saying "got py3.6 yet?", which
is probably what made me curious
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2045 [16:00:17] <jhutchins_wk> jim: RH has some interesting
concepts in their SCL setups where you can invoke a new environment.
2046 [16:00:31] <jim> I can make sure it doesn't get into
root's path
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2048 [16:00:42] <Iridos> I guess I'd build it outside the
package system and the paths that all other programs use because of
all the dependencies
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2051 [16:01:05] <jim> SCL?
2052 [16:01:09] <jhutchins_wk> Then there's PHP, which is at
5.3 - 5.5 in most distros, but current and only supported release is
7.0.
2053 [16:01:14] <Iridos> I'm not sure it's only as
root…
2054 [16:02:06] <jim> so, tell me php is now used in the base of
debian (heh, not)
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2056 [16:02:23] <TimurTheLame> hiya, you could try installing the
tlp package
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2060 [16:02:46] <Genk1> Hello guys
2061 [16:02:50] <jhutchins_wk> jim: I think it's
"Software Collection Library".
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2063 [16:03:09] <n4dir> wouldn't virtualenv be the way to go
as far newer versions of python is concerned?
2064 [16:03:13] <Iridos> hiya, there shouldnt be any difference
when the power is plugged in… look into logs
/var/log/messages and the like and journalctl … and dmesg if
something is stuck in a loop when you plug in power
2065 [16:03:20] <TimurTheLame> hiya, it's a daemon that
handles battery/plugged in power settings. The default options do
wonders for me.
2066 [16:03:21] <jim> has something to do with their venv concept?
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2068 [16:03:35] <Genk1> How the file /etc/inetd.conf was replaced
in Debian 8 ?
2069 [16:04:00] <jim> n4dir, well, the original has to go
somewhere
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2071 [16:04:10] <n4dir> which original?
2072 [16:04:22] <hiya> TimurTheLame, which daemon?
2073 [16:04:25] <hiya> Iridos, ok trying
2074 [16:04:33] <TimurTheLame> hiya, the one that tlp installs
2075 [16:04:34] <jim> if I build it, does it go into a venv?
2076 [16:05:26] <TimurTheLame> hiya,
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2077 [16:05:30] <n4dir> i always confuse perlbrew and virtualenv.
So am not too sure. I assume one will build different versions of
the lang in the users home. ...
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2082 [16:06:32] <n4dir> at least that they don't get in the
way of the systems versions.
2083 [16:06:35] <jim> n4dir, oh ok
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2086 [16:06:38] <n4dir> by which means ever.
2087 [16:06:58] <n4dir> perhaps wiki.debian.org has more info ...
2088 [16:07:15] <n4dir> !virtualenv
2089 [16:07:15] <dpkg> hmm... virtualenv is a python development
environment that's separate from global system installed
binaries and libraries.
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2091 [16:07:33] <celyr2> Hi
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2093 [16:07:46] <celyr2> I'm interested in understading when
a debian package will be updated
2094 [16:07:49] <jim> hi
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2097 [16:07:58] <celyr2> and if there is any update in queue for
that package
2098 [16:08:04] <celyr2> how I can do that ?
2099 [16:08:29] <jim> ,versions linux-image
2100 [16:08:30] <judd> No package named 'linux-image'
was found in amd64.
2101 [16:08:32] <celyr2> I mean I know that upstream there are
updates for that packages and those upates fixes also a number of
critical bugs, what I'm trying to understand
2102 [16:08:41] <celyr2> ,versions firebird2.5
2103 [16:08:42] <judd> No package named 'firebird2.5'
was found in amd64.
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2105 [16:09:06] <jhutchins_wk> Genk1: What are you actually trying
to do?
2106 [16:09:09] <celyr2> ,versions firebird2.5-classic
2107 [16:09:10] <judd> Package: firebird2.5-classic on amd64 --
wheezy: 2.5.2.26540.ds4-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security:
2.5.2.26540.ds4-1~deb7u2; jessie: 2.5.3.26778.ds4-5
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2110 [16:09:26] <jim> celyr2, doing that, you can at least find
out what versions are in the archive right now
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2113 [16:09:37] <Genk1> jhutchins_wk, I am trying to disable
legacy services like nis, ftp, rsh etc
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2116 [16:09:57] <Genk1> jhutchins_wk, how can I search for them ?
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2118 [16:10:04] <jim> for ftp, don't install ftpd
2119 [16:10:09] <jhutchins_wk> Genk1: Don't install/configure
them.
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2122 [16:10:40] <celyr2> jim, Well I know this, what I'm
trying to understand is if the mantainer is actually working on
newer versions, if those newer versions are going throught
unstable-testing and when I'll eventually get them on the
stable archive
2123 [16:10:44] <jim> for rsh, don't install an rshd or a
telnetd (you shouldn't anyway)
2124 [16:10:52] <Genk1> jhutchins_wk, it seems like debian has
changed strategy and use something else
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2126 [16:11:21] <Genk1> jhutchins_wk, how normaly we look for
services in debian ?
2127 [16:11:33] <celyr2> jim, firebird2.5.2 was release on 2012,
last version for 2.5 is 2.5.7
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2129 [16:11:55] <jim> celyr2, for that, I would think you could
ask him (maybe find his email addr or email
packagename@packages.debian.org
2130 [16:11:59] <n4dir> celyr2: that is an easy questions. Once
debian stable has been released, upgrades don't happen via
testing/unstable. If at all there are security upgrades
2131 [16:12:47] <celyr2> jim, how I can find the name of the
maintainer ?
2132 [16:12:59] <jhutchins_wk> Genk1: We ask the person who built
the system what they installed.
2133 [16:13:03] <jim> ,maint python3
2134 [16:13:03] <n4dir> packages.debian.org
2135 [16:13:04] <judd> Package python3-defaults version 3.3.0-2
was uploaded by Piotr Ozarowski on 2013-01-19, last changed by Piotr
Ożarowski and maintained by Matthias Klose.
2136 [16:13:14] <celyr2> n4dir, Jessie was not released on 2012 :)
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2138 [16:13:35] <jhutchins_wk> Genk1: dpkg -l | sort |less
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2140 [16:13:43] <Genk1> jhutchins_wk, ok
2141 [16:14:03] <missmbob> celyr2: dont email them directly.
it's not polite. use a bug report if you want.
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2143 [16:14:49] <jhutchins_wk> Genk1: Most distributions use
xinetd if they have tcp wrappers enabled. Most just don't run
those legacy systems unless they're manually installed.
2144 [16:15:00] <jhutchins_wk> s/systems/services/
2145 [16:15:09] <Genk1> jhutchins_wk, OK I see
2146 [16:15:11] <Genk1> thanks
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2151 [16:15:59] <jhutchins_wk> Genk1: There are several other
replacements for inetd if it's needed.
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2153 [16:16:20] <Genk1> jhutchins_wk, yes like systemd etc
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2155 [16:16:21] <Genk1> ?
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2157 [16:16:42] <McErroneous> Hi, Knoppix 6.7, does not recognize
my external USB HDD, anybody familiar with this problem ?
2158 [16:16:44] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: Remember that while bugfix
patches may be applied, the general rule is that new versions of
packages do not get added to stable.
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2160 [16:17:05] <jhutchins_wk> Genk1: aptitude search
"inetd".
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2162 [16:17:16] <Genk1> ok
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2165 [16:17:29] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, I get this but the wired
thing is that looking at:
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2166 [16:17:34] <teraflops> McErroneous: this channel is for
debian support not knoppix support
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2168 [16:17:58] <celyr2> missmbob, Thank you I'll try to find
the bugtracker then
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2170 [16:18:23] <McErroneous> teraflops: you sound like you are an
Ubuntu user...
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2172 [16:18:41] <teraflops> McErroneous: knoppix is by there
→
2173 [16:19:08] <McErroneous> :D... hmmm, yummy feed me..
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2175 [16:19:14] <dax> dpkg: knoppix
2176 [16:19:14] <dpkg> Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help
in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which
is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware,
and for situations where you have access to a computer but it
isn't Debian.
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2177 [16:19:25] <n4dir>
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2178 [16:19:36] <celyr2> n4dir, tnx
2179 [16:19:50] <teraflops> McErroneous: also youre being a dick,
there's no need to behave like a 5yo kid.
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2181 [16:20:18] <celyr2> n4dir, what this does mean in your
opinion ?
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2185 [16:21:23] <n4dir> all i got is an opinion. Looks like it
will be removed from debian. Perhaps the maintainer lost interest ?
Like proposed above i would write a bug report (perhaps he will get
interest again :-) )
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2187 [16:21:37] <celyr2>
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2188 [16:22:13] <n4dir> to put it different: it isn't that
clear to me either
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2190 [16:22:52] <celyr2> And I have in production this package
2191 [16:23:06] <celyr2> I think I should really compile it from
source, what do you think ?
2192 [16:23:44] <n4dir> i would start with the bug report. But
yeah, sure, give it a try to build it yourself
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2195 [16:24:16] <celyr2> n4dir, Ok I try with a bug report
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2200 [16:25:14] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: I would suggest building a
.deb package rather than just a compile/install.
2201 [16:25:22] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: Easier to manage.
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2203 [16:25:34] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, I agree, and this is why
I'm avoiding to do it now
2204 [16:25:46] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: What are the reasons for
using firebird as opposed to a more common/mainstream database?
2205 [16:25:51] <celyr2> My skills on building packages are a bit
rusty at least
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2208 [16:26:01] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: It's pretty well
automated.
2209 [16:26:05] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, Because our ERP is designed
on top of it
2210 [16:26:08] <jhutchins_wk> !uupdate
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2212 [16:26:08] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package)
upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if
the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get
source foo; wget -nd
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2213 [16:26:30] <n4dir> what is ERP?
2214 [16:27:06] <celyr2> n4dir,
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2215 [16:27:20] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: Some flake developer wanted
job security by using an obscure program?
2216 [16:27:50] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, Well...
2217 [16:28:01] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, It's a long story that
roots back to 1980s
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2219 [16:28:15] <jhutchins_wk> WE have plenty of that here. Custom
compiles, wild variation from standard practices.
2220 [16:28:39] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: Ok, yeah, the 80s were Wild
West when it came to databases. FoxPro!
2221 [16:28:41] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, when a small company
started to do business and invested a lot of money into their custom
crafted ERP and now 37 years laters it's too customised
2222 [16:28:44] <n4dir> my guess is there is a reason the official
maintainer of it doesn't upgrade to new versions. So problems
might occur. Hence i would first ask via bug-report what is going
on. but all of that are only guesses
2223 [16:29:03] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, For them to just evalue to
change it to a more mainstram ERP...
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2225 [16:29:15] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, So it was build on top of
Interbase and it Died
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2228 [16:29:55] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, with borland... Then
firebase took the burden of the development of the Intebase
sources...
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2230 [16:30:29] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, At that time Interbase was
mainstream I would say
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2232 [16:30:55] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: Well, as much as anything
was. DB3/4, FoxPro, whatever that Apple one was...
2233 [16:30:59] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, We are planning to switch
to postgresql but there are lot of stored procedures and triggers
that the software house is not confortable to migrate...
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2236 [16:31:43] <celyr2> aka they are afraid that eventually
everything will just blow up
2237 [16:31:53] <celyr2> and things are going decently anyway so
2238 [16:32:39] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: interbase appears to still
be in production:
replaced-url
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2243 [16:34:01] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, And that's even
funnier since on embarcadero website they treat firebird as a joke
and they do vice-versa on the firebird ml
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2245 [16:34:40] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, But I guess that firebird
is better right now, embarcadero just rebranded it and gave support
with 0 development
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2257 [16:37:11] <celyr2>
replaced-url
2258 [16:37:14] <celyr2> and follow up
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2271 [16:41:59] <testerbeta> i've a question
2272 [16:42:03] <testerbeta> about a package
2273 [16:42:05] <Papillon> shoot
2274 [16:42:07] <testerbeta> what does chromium-shell
2275 [16:42:37] <Papillon> maybe it's related to chromebooks
chromeos?
2276 [16:42:48] <Papillon> or the chrome browser?
2277 [16:42:53] <celyr2> Ok I've found out that
replaced-url
2278 [16:42:57] <Stummi> ,v chromium-shell
2279 [16:42:58] <judd> Package: chromium-shell on amd64 -- sid:
57.0.2987.98-1; stretch: 57.0.2987.98-1
2280 [16:43:09] <Papillon> apt infor chromium-shell
2281 [16:43:14] <Papillon> apt info chromium-shell
2282 [16:43:47] <apt> chromium-shell: (web browser - minimal
shell), section web, is optional. Version: 57.0.2987.98-1 (sid),
Packaged size: 30423 kB, Installed size: 117327 kB
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2284 [16:44:13] <Papillon> that is less than helpful
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2294 [16:49:52] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: Um, that actually says that
3.0 WILL be in stretch, 2.5 will not be supported.
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2296 [16:50:26] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, yeah. I did a mistake in
reporting it
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2298 [16:50:41] <celyr2> I meant 2.5 will not ...
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2312 [16:54:53] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, but I hope that since there
is CVE-2017-6369 open they will eventually backport 2.5.7
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2317 [16:56:09] <McErroneous> Hi, my System does not boot into
Squeeze-based distro, it says s.th. like: "initrd to big it
does not fit in the memory between 15-16M - will be moving initrd
into extended memory.... " but it fails to boot...
2318 [16:56:32] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: Is there a
bugreport/request open?
2319 [16:56:51] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, I wrote to their ml
2320 [16:56:58] <jhutchins_wk> McErroneous: Define
"squeeze-based".
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2327 [16:58:49] <McErroneous> jhutchins_wk: Crunchbang - Linux...
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2331 [16:59:09] <petn-randall> !crunchbang
2332 [16:59:09] <dpkg> CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution
originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of
version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not
supported in #debian.
replaced-url
2333 [16:59:20] <petn-randall> McErroneous: Try askingi in there
^^^
2334 [16:59:33] <petn-randall> -i
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2342 [17:03:49] <McErroneous> That is why i do not like to anser
those kind of questions, is debian getting like Ubuntu ? Answering
with questions on a question beeing asked..
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2345 [17:04:58] * teraflops add McErroneous to the ignore list
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2347 [17:05:31] <teraflops> +s
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2350 [17:06:42] <mutante> what i don't like is that half the
channel is argueing about that. people chose to use something
without support and then expect it here. they even found the right
place for you but not good enough
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2355 [17:08:05] <McErroneous> mutante , it is just like saying: Am
i your mother ? go away...
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2357 [17:08:31] <teraflops> !kick McErroneous
2358 [17:08:31] * dpkg kicks McErroneous in the ass.
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2360 [17:08:43] <somiaj> McErroneous: we choose to only support
Debian here, not anything based on debian for both techenical and
social. One thing you should think about when choosing a distro is
the support comunity if you are going to use it.
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2362 [17:09:31] <McErroneous> okay, i have a butt, but i am
sitting on it right now...
2363 [17:09:55] <somiaj> if you are wanting a general support
channel for linux, try ##linux, there is a community that is built
around supporting linux in general.
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2366 [17:10:15] <McErroneous> somiaj: well...
2367 [17:10:44] <teraflops> for 2 times you were told kindly that
we do not support debian based distros here. it's our choice.
so stop complaining
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2370 [17:11:40] <teraflops> you don't like it? we don't
care. keep on-topic or go away
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2373 [17:12:33] <McErroneous> Change topic to : you use debian
base ?? WE DO NOT CARE, GO TO HELL...
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2375 [17:13:02] <abff> pfft I use windows
2376 [17:14:20] <somiaj> McErroneous: try to be more civil, we are
volunteer's who choose to support debian and not things based
on debian due to various technical reasons. You have the freedom to
choose a distro you want to use, part of that choice is support. If
you had a problem with windows you woudln't call up apple
support and demand they fix it for you.
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2379 [17:15:08] <McErroneous> somiaj: I can support debian as
well: just saying: this is not our concern...
2380 [17:15:09] <somiaj> and here we are supporting you in trying
to point you to proper places for crunchbang support, use their
channel/forums or ##linux for general linux support.
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2382 [17:15:26] <raktajino> McErroneous: you're not entitled
to anyone's time.
2383 [17:15:32] <teraflops> somiaj: IMO arguing with McErroneous
is a mistake
2384 [17:16:04] <somiaj> teraflops: I see it as trying to educate,
prefer that over banning or just letting the conversation turn into
flaming.
2385 [17:16:21] <teraflops> fair enough
2386 [17:17:01] <McErroneous> If there is no pupil, where is there
gonna be a teacher ? Is a man going to teach himself ?
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2388 [17:18:22] <raktajino> McErroneous: you were literally told
where to go to find help
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2392 [17:20:04] <McErroneous> raktajino: hopefully i gonna get
smart enough soon...
2393 [17:20:43] <raktajino> the evidence thus far suggests
otherwise, but anything is possible.
2394 [17:21:02] <BluesKaj> found the secret to make chrome-browser
default on stretch, sudo sed -i
's/firefox-esr.desktop/google-chrome.desktop/'
/home/user/.config/mimeapps.list
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2398 [17:23:08] <petn-randall> McErroneous: You're simply
asking in the wrong channel, nothing more, nothing less. We kindly
asked you to take your request there.
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2401 [17:24:19] <teraflops> BluesKaj: that's a dirty hack.
either use alternatives system or xdg …
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2406 [17:25:21] <petn-randall> McErroneous: We only support Debian
in here for a number of technical and social reasons. Chances are
good your problem is not reproducible on Debian, then nobody in here
can help you.
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2408 [17:25:36] <BluesKaj> teraflops, alternatives doesn't
work
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2410 [17:26:07] <petn-randall> McErroneous: That's like
getting angry because you insist on asking your dentist about your
back pains. They won't be able to help, and just insisting more
and more will only make them angry.
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2419 [17:26:54] <BluesKaj> teraflops, what's the xdg
procedure?
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2423 [17:29:31] <jhutchins_wk> BluesKaj: Which alternative did you
change?
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2425 [17:30:18] <hek293z> hi
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2429 [17:30:59] <hek293z> when is 9 out
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2431 [17:31:01] <teraflops> BluesKaj: e.g xdg-settings set
default-web-browser firefox.desktop or xdg-mime default
firefox.desktop x-scheme-handler/http (for x-scheme-handler/https
too)
2432 [17:31:04] <jhutchins_wk> My systems have a setting for
"Debian Sensible Browser" - I don't know where that
converts to an actual program.
2433 [17:31:06] <McErroneous> petn-randall: I am not using
Slackware ... , asking for help in debian, and my experience tells
me, that debian-based is smilar, even if not, just give others the
chance to help if the is a solution...
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2438 [17:31:58] <jhutchins_wk> McErroneous: The kind of problem
you're having is not common to Debian, and is likely the result
of the customization for your specific distribution.
2439 [17:32:11] <jhutchins_wk> McErroneous: Trust us, our
collective experience is far greater than yours.
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2442 [17:32:17] <BluesKaj> jhutchins_wk, all the references from
firefox-esr.desktop to google-chrome.desktop in
/home/user/.config/mimeapps.list
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2446 [17:32:51] <jhutchins_wk> BluesKaj: I thought you said
you'd tried /etc/alternatives and it didn't work, I was
wondering what you'd changed.
2447 [17:32:53] <McErroneous> you are an individual person, maybe
3 or 4.., so , let it be...
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2455 [17:34:33] <sypher> McErroneous: Your issue is occuring in
something that is not Debian. Therefore it is off-topic for this
channel. That you wish it weren't does not change the reality
in which you live. Stop expecting for people to cater to your needs.
2456 [17:35:12] <BluesKaj> jhutchins_wk, i meant the command ,
sudo update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
2457 [17:36:00] <jelly> McErroneous: anyone can help if they wish,
but in the right place (##linux channel if there's no better)
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2460 [17:37:18] <jhutchins_wk> BluesKaj: x-replaced-url
2461 [17:37:19] <abff> !crunchbang
2462 [17:37:19] <dpkg> CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution
originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of
version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not
supported in #debian.
replaced-url
2463 [17:37:44] <abff> McErroneous: maybe next time don't
bother mentioning you're not on debian ;)
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2465 [17:37:54] <bin_bash> rip crunchbang :(
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2468 [17:38:33] <sypher> abff: That's also called lying.
Please don't.
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2470 [17:38:47] <teraflops> abff: this conversation is taking too
much time.…
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2479 [17:42:20] <McErroneous> yes, it is a real waste of time
telling people you wont help...
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2481 [17:42:43] <buu> Speaking of debian does anyone know of a
reason why this system would refuse to boot unless a video card is
plugged in?
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2483 [17:42:49] <BluesKaj> jhutchins_wk, the change in
~/.config/mimeapps.list works and is recognized in the chrome
browser when checking the default browser setting ...if teraflops
thinks it's a dirty hack is fine with me as long as it works
2484 [17:42:51] <buu> As far as I can tell it gets stuck somewhere
loading the bios
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2486 [17:43:06] <celyr2> McErroneous, people here are on volunteer
basis
2487 [17:43:15] <sypher> McErroneous: Quit being a child.
You've been directed to the proper forum.
2488 [17:43:28] <celyr2> McErroneous, they are quite helpful
indeed but mind that if they don't want to help you well, they
owe you nothing
2489 [17:43:42] <teraflops> BluesKaj: sure, whatever floats you
goat, xdg-open is crap anyway, nothing to complain from here
2490 [17:43:47] <celyr2> McErroneous, So be kind and maybe they
will help you anyway
2491 [17:44:08] <jelly> drop this please. They are welcome to ask
in ##linux about generic help for their (end-of-life distro) linux
2492 [17:44:16] <teraflops> McErroneous: hey, youre being
annoying.
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2497 [17:44:48] <jelly> buu: does it run POST at all?
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2500 [17:45:30] <jelly> buu: can you set up a serial console and
see if linux kernel starts at all?
2501 [17:45:42] <buu> jelly: I'm not 100% sure since the only
information I have at the moment is the bios codes
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2504 [17:46:04] <jelly> so what does the manual say about those
bios codes
2505 [17:46:36] <jelly> did it reach "normal running state,
control passed to OS/boot loader"
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2508 [17:47:24] <buu> "Oboard devices Initialize and Detect
(USB/ SATA/
2509 [17:47:25] <buu> SCSI……)n"
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2511 [17:48:16] <buu> This is a certain amount of guesswork but it
appears to be stopping at the last stage before "ready to
boot"
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2513 [17:48:34] <buu> Is it possible for the kernel to require
video output as part of its boot sequence?
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2516 [17:49:12] <celyr2> buu, I have a computer running without
video card and it boots just fine
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2518 [17:49:41] <celyr2> buu, I guess it's something in the
bios
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2520 [17:51:11] <buu> I'm pretty sure I don't have
anything like a serial port
2521 [17:51:20] <buu> Is there some way to fake it?
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2524 [17:51:56] <jhutchins_wk> buu: Install a serial or video
card?
2525 [17:51:56] <Papillon> they sell usb dongles to do tha
2526 [17:52:01] <Papillon> to do that I think
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2528 [17:52:15] <jhutchins_wk> Papillon: Yeah, but they're
unlikely to be active during POST.
2529 [17:52:15] <celyr2> buu, Are you using grub ?
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2531 [17:52:30] <Walakea> are there packages with headers, which
are used in Stroustrup's Programming principles and practice
using C++?
2532 [17:52:30] <jhutchins_wk> celyr2: Doesn't sound like
it's getting that far.
2533 [17:53:01] <celyr2> jhutchins_wk, yeah I agree
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2535 [17:55:08] <buu> celyr2: Yes
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2541 [17:56:47] <celyr2> buu, I'm pretty sure that you
won't solve it with serial port
2542 [17:56:57] <celyr2> buu, bios will not output anything to the
serial port
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2544 [17:57:50] <celyr2> buu, I think that your best chance is to
plug a video card and seek the bios for any option regarding a video
card... Also plug a keyboard usually leds blinks if bios get stuck
by errors this can give you some clues
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2546 [17:58:10] <buu> celyr2: Well, it's got built in bios
leds
2547 [17:58:19] <jelly> celyr2: depends on the bios. However, both
grub and linux kernel will output to serial if asked nicelyt
2548 [17:58:40] <jelly> this is probably a question for ##hardware
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2555 [18:00:05] <jorb> so i patched to the 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 kernel
on Monday, and now my CIFS mounts in my office aren't working..
any way to get back to the 3.16.39-1+deb8u1
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2557 [18:00:30] <jorb> not entirely sure how the kernel could have
caused that but that was the only package update that makes sense at
this point
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2559 [18:00:52] <buu> jorb: did you actually remove the previous
versions?
2560 [18:00:59] <buu> Usually they're still installed and
bootable
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2565 [18:02:27] <jorb> buu: where? i just `sudo apt-get upgrade`
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2569 [18:03:19] <buu> jorb: try dpkg -l | grep kernel-image
2570 [18:03:31] <buu> er, linux-image
2571 [18:04:31] <jorb> yeap just 2 packages one is the
meta-package
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2575 [18:04:45] <jelly> jorb: did you reboot into the newer kernel
since, or not?
2576 [18:04:52] <jorb> ye
2577 [18:04:56] <jorb> yes* jelly
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2580 [18:05:49] <jelly> jorb: show what your mount command or
fstab entry looks like, and what happens in dmesg and mount command
output when you try mounting
2581 [18:05:56] <jelly> !paste
2582 [18:05:56] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
2583 [18:06:37] <jelly> jorb: as last resort, or temporary fix,
you can find older versions of packages on snapshot.debian.org
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2591 [18:08:04] <gospod2> can someone here with nginx installed
tell me what are the default user and group values in nginx+debian?
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2593 [18:08:09] <jorb> thx jelly, its telling me "mount
error(13): Permission denied" which is like a no-duh thing, but
i just slightly suspected the kernel so...
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2595 [18:08:29] <jorb> don't really want to deubg this via
IRC heh, just the kernel dealie
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2597 [18:08:41] <jelly> nod
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2603 [18:10:58] <xcin> hey folks
2604 [18:11:07] <Papillon> hi
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2606 [18:11:34] <xcin> i'm trying to use youtube-dl on jessie
8.7
2607 [18:11:53] <xcin> it won't work due to some bugs which
the internet and the yt-dl site tell me have been fixed in
subsequent version
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2609 [18:12:04] <teraflops> xcin: from repos? my condolences
2610 [18:12:12] <xcin> no i used apt-get
2611 [18:12:18] <xcin> the jessie version is from 2014
2612 [18:12:28] <jelly> xcin: there's a build in
jessie-backports
2613 [18:12:29] <xcin> jessie-backports, stretch and sid have the
current 2017 ver
2614 [18:12:37] <xcin> how do i specify to install that one
2615 [18:12:39] <jelly> dpkg, tell xcin about jessie-backports
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2619 [18:13:35] <jhutchins_wk> buu: I worked with some Compaq
desktops that would not work without a monitor. I was hoping to
build a cluster with them, but the wouldn't boot headless.
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2621 [18:13:39] <jelly> (see the private message from dpkg, xcin)
2622 [18:13:52] <xcin> thx
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2628 [18:14:23] <xcin> can i specify to only use the backport
version for this package or will i just start getting the unstable
versions of everything i download if i add it to my sources.list
2629 [18:15:05] <jelly> gospod2: probably runs as
replaced-url
2630 [18:15:23] <jhutchins_wk> xcin: Backports will only install
specified packages + dependencies.
2631 [18:15:26] <teraflops> xcin: if you install it with -t
jessie-backports you'll be fine
2632 [18:15:27] <gospod2> jelly thx!
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2635 [18:16:10] <jelly> xcin: no other packages from backports
will get automatically installed or upgraded
2636 [18:16:43] <jelly> it's made to be safe to use with
jessie
2637 [18:16:49] <xcin> I mean, if I add this just to get the new
youtube-dl, and then I later install other packages
2638 [18:17:15] <xcin> it'll keep doing the thing where it
takes the backport preferentially to the stable build unless i
remove backports from sources.list?
2639 [18:17:18] <jelly> we know what you meant, telepathy works
2640 [18:17:42] <xcin> I mean, I'm not worried about it
low-key updating things I already have installed
2641 [18:17:53] <SuperTramp83> xcin, use pip for youtube-dl
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2644 [18:18:01] <jelly> (and yes, once you've picked one
package from jessie-backports, it and only it keeps getting upgraded
from there if there's a newer one)
2645 [18:18:19] <xcin> bash: pip: command not found
2646 [18:18:39] <teraflops> xcin: don't use pip as
root…
2647 [18:18:40] <xcin> Oh okay I think I get it now.
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2651 [18:19:09] <SuperTramp83> xcin, u need to install it, and
yes, no need to give it sudo, --user
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2657 [18:20:13] <jelly> if you rely on youtube-dl to work every
single second and absolutely cannot wait for backports to do their
thing, then building from source (= pip) may be preferable
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2659 [18:20:47] <jelly> but for casual use, I suspect it
doesn't get broken that often
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2662 [18:21:12] <SuperTramp83> jelly, it depends on the user case,
ie which websites you need it for
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2665 [18:21:50] <jhutchins_wk> xcin: You might read the backports
web page.
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2667 [18:22:53] <teraflops> well, from time to time ytdl gets a
bit broken like failing miserably even for youtube site videos, I
think that was jelly was talking about
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2670 [18:24:08] <SuperTramp83> teraflops, yeah, it does, some
websites much more often than yt, say openload for instance :/
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2692 [18:35:35] <tw> Does pip pull from github? I usually git pull
to update ytdl.
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2786 [19:14:17] <teraflops> you can pip install git+replaced-url
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2790 [19:16:27] <decci> Any idea what format does Debian installer
accept for installing RAID driver during the Debian installation
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2792 [19:16:57] <decci> I verified and got the right driver which
is in .deb format . I want to load it during the installation tie
2793 [19:16:59] <decci> time
2794 [19:17:10] <Papillon> standard linux module?
2795 [19:17:17] <newcoder> What's the difference between
ubuntu and debian? Which one should someone use?
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2797 [19:17:24] <Papillon> although I don't know how you
would handle version differences
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2799 [19:18:09] <decci> The driver is megaraid_sas.x.x.deb
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2801 [19:18:18] <decci> I want to load it during the installation
time
2802 [19:18:35] <pgrunwald>
replaced-url
2803 [19:18:37] <mtn> newcoder: you can find descriptions and
reviews of distros at distrowatch.com
2804 [19:19:23] <pgrunwald>
replaced-url
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2807 [19:20:05] <SerajewelKS> decci: you can try to 'dpkg
-i' the file in the installer environment
2808 [19:20:09] <jhutchins_wk> decci: That's an interesting
question. You would actually have to load the driver into the
installer.
2809 [19:20:31] <SerajewelKS> decci: alt+F2 will take you to a
shell, from there you can mount removeable media for example
2810 [19:20:45] <SerajewelKS> alt+F1 will return to the installer.
whether the .deb will work in this environment though...
2811 [19:20:49] <decci> SerajewelKS: Can't it be load like
driver disk
2812 [19:20:54] <decci> *loaded
2813 [19:21:04] <jhutchins_wk> decci: Not as a deb.
2814 [19:21:19] <decci> SerajewelKS: Usually in RHEL or CentOS, we
used driver disk to load RAID driver
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2816 [19:21:45] <decci> jhutchins_wk: I was thinking of creating
ISO out of .deb and allow installer to accept ot
2817 [19:21:46] <SerajewelKS> the debian installer doesn't
really have that mechanism. i assume you are thinking of windows
installers where you can hit an F-key to interrupt the installer
startup sequence and pull drivers off of a disk.
2818 [19:22:01] <jhutchins_wk> decci: I take it the objective is
to install Debian ON the raid?
2819 [19:22:04] <SerajewelKS> decci: you can build a custom
installer ISO with the .deb preloaded probably
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2822 [19:22:36] <decci> SerajewelKS: That would be complete custom
Debian ISO of 4 GB :)
2823 [19:22:47] <SerajewelKS> decci: not using the netinstall?
2824 [19:23:03] <decci> SerajewelKS: I have been using plain DVD 1
2825 [19:23:20] <decci> SerajewelKS: dpkg -i on alt terminal looks
good to me
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2827 [19:23:30] <SerajewelKS> decci: yeah i would try that first
anyway
2828 [19:23:32] <jhutchins_wk> decci: I have no idea if this is a
sensible plan, but boot a live image, install the driver (to the
live image), set up the raid, partition & format, install with
debootstrap.
2829 [19:24:00] <decci> jhutchins_wk: I am on Wheezy..does we have
Live CD
2830 [19:24:04] <SerajewelKS> decci: if it does work and you need
to install on a lot of machines with the same hardware, a custom
installer ISO might be beneficial. if it's a one-off,
installing the driver in the installer shell is probably good
enough.
2831 [19:24:06] <Papillon> I remember linux installs where you
could do add on drivers
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2833 [19:24:22] <Papillon> I think
2834 [19:24:33] <decci> SerajewelKS: Any link which talks about
custom ISO. Last time I did that for FreeBSD
2835 [19:24:39] <SerajewelKS> Papillon: you can with debian too,
it's just not quite as streamlined as it is in more...
"enterprisey" distros
2836 [19:25:55] <SerajewelKS> decci: i've built custom ISOs
but not custom installer ISOs so honestly i'm not sure where to
look. i just know i've heard it discussed as an option before.
2837 [19:25:57] <decci> SerajewelKS: TO verify that I have correct
driver in place, I installed Wheezy on one of VM, installed
megaraid_sas, it got installed well
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2840 [19:26:25] <SerajewelKS> decci: "debian custom installer
iso driver" might not be a bad google query
2841 [19:26:38] <SerajewelKS> you'll probably find people
talking about your same situation
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2849 [19:29:03] <tw>
replaced-url
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2852 [19:30:28] <SerajewelKS> decci: yeah that ^ :)
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2856 [19:31:01] <SerajewelKS> decci: if your system supports
booting from a USB drive, you could even use one of those and save
yourself a DVD+-R
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2874 [19:39:55] <pgrunwald> Hi - deb 9 stretch - I'm getting
this in dmesg
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2876 [19:40:04] <pgrunwald> [ 2.864369] EXT4-fs (sda1):
couldn't mount as ext3 due to feature incompatibilities
2877 [19:40:04] <pgrunwald> [ 2.864749] EXT4-fs (sda1):
couldn't mount as ext2 due to feature incompatibilities
2878 [19:40:04] <pgrunwald> [ 2.904019] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted
filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts:
2879 [19:40:04] <pgrunwald> fstab:
2880 [19:40:04] <pgrunwald>
UUID=92c956ec-b60e-4625-8eea-de7bb31e32b3 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0
1
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2883 [19:41:03] <pgrunwald> sorry
replaced-url
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2888 [19:43:35] <pgrunwald> Not sure where it is picking up ext2
and ext3 to mount
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2892 [19:45:34] <Brigo> pgrunwald, ext4 is backward compatible
with ext3 and ext2.
2893 [19:45:52] <pgrunwald> search suggeted rootfstype=ext4 to
kernal params but it sounded dangerouse
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2895 [19:45:58] <pgrunwald> ignore the error?
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2907 [19:51:47] <jhutchins_wk> pgrunwald: I think it's safe
to ignore, but it doesn't look normal (not on my D8 VM). Which
release?
2908 [19:51:56] <jhutchins_wk> pgrunwald: Ah, 9.
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2910 [19:52:17] <jhutchins_wk> pgrunwald: You might ask about it
in #devian-next on oftc.net - more stretch users there.
2911 [19:52:26] <jhutchins_wk> #debian-next
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3012 [20:43:59] <scotthanson> i install macchanger. log shows the
mac is changed, but the checking ifconfig doesn't change
anything. what goes wrong?
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3015 [20:45:07] <jhutchins_wk> scotthanson: Some hardware
doesn't like mac spoofing.
3016 [20:45:38] <jhutchins_wk> scotthanson: The real MAC is
actually on the chipset.
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3018 [20:45:42] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: i wonder how that
hardware works (or doesn't) with bridging
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3020 [20:46:00] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Bridging is software
(emulation).
3021 [20:46:20] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: right but it still
requires sending out packets with a different source hwaddr, right?
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3023 [20:46:43] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: The physical nic acts
as a gateway.
3024 [20:47:18] <SerajewelKS> right, but bridging doesn't use
address translation
3025 [20:48:06] <scotthanson> jhutchins_wk: get it. so actually no
universal way to spoof mac addr right?
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3028 [20:49:53] <jhutchins_wk> scotthanson: I don't know for
certain, and I don't know to what extent the physical address
is detectable if you have a soft address.
3029 [20:50:04] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: i guess my point is
that for bridging two interfaces to work, each interface needs to be
able to send ethernet frames with a different hardware address than
its own
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3031 [20:50:44] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Ok.
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3033 [20:50:53] <SerajewelKS> so it seems to me that if an
interface cannot spoof MAC addresses then it can't be used in a
bridge... right?
3034 [20:51:24] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Why can't it use
it's physical address?
3035 [20:51:26] <Poster> it doesn't spoof, it forwards
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3039 [20:52:27] <scotthanson> understanable. thank you again for
the explanation!
3040 [20:52:38] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: that would require
hwaddr translation, right? how do you do the reverse mapping so
replies can come back through? ethernet doesn't have ports or
anything similar that could be used to reliably establish a reverse
mapping.
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3042 [20:53:03] <SerajewelKS> basically NAT but with hw addresses
instead of IP addresses. i can't see any way that could work
correctly.
3043 [20:53:04] <Poster> I think you're mixing up layer 2
with layer 3
3044 [20:53:11] <SerajewelKS> Poster: i'm not
3045 [20:53:14] <Poster> think about what a network switch does
3046 [20:53:22] <Poster> the ethernet frames are forwarded
3047 [20:53:28] <jhutchins_wk> Think about what a hub does.
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3049 [20:53:32] <SerajewelKS> Poster: yes, i know this
3050 [20:53:56] <SerajewelKS> so for an ethernet interface to be
part of a bridge, it must be able to transmit ethernet frames with a
different source hardware address than its own, yes? switches do
this.
3051 [20:54:08] <Poster> by your definition, do you consider a
layer 3 switch as spoofing?
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3054 [20:54:37] <Poster> the bridge goes into a learing state,
when it sees no other active bridges it goes into a forwarding state
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3056 [20:54:59] <SerajewelKS> i think we are talking past each
other
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3059 [20:55:30] <SerajewelKS> if bridge port A receives an
ethernet frame that should be routed out bridge port B, the physical
interface for bridge port B must be able to reproduce that ethernet
frame without changing either hardware address, correct?
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3061 [20:55:56] <Poster> bridging and routing are not the same
thing
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3064 [20:56:53] <Poster> This might help clear it up-
replaced-url
3065 [20:57:01] <SerajewelKS> Poster: if you are attaching the
term routing to layer 3 then yes
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3067 [20:57:26] <Poster> routing means connecting disjoined
networks
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3069 [20:57:48] <Poster> that cannot talk to eachother otherwise
3070 [20:57:49] <SerajewelKS> Poster: then substitute the word
"forwarded" for "routed" in my previous
statement
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3072 [20:58:23] <Poster> ok yes bridge port B will retransmit was
received on bridge port A
3073 [20:58:56] <SerajewelKS> what if the physical ethernet
hardware for bridge port B refuses to transmit packets except with
its own hwaddr?
3074 [20:59:06] <SerajewelKS> (source hwaddr, to be clear)
3075 [20:59:17] <Poster> ok forwarding is not the same as being
the origin
3076 [20:59:22] <SerajewelKS> right
3077 [20:59:32] <SerajewelKS> but does the physical hardware make
this distinction?
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3079 [20:59:56] <Poster> it has no idea, it could be a switch or
hub or someting in between
3080 [20:59:57] <SerajewelKS> how is the physical hardware to know
the difference between a frame with a spoofed source hwaddr and a
forwarded frame?
3081 [21:00:06] <Poster> by the source mac address
3082 [21:00:34] <SerajewelKS> but a forwarded frame will also have
a different source mac address than the interface's own, yes?
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3084 [21:00:49] <Poster> yeah the frame is not _originated_ on the
bridge
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3090 [21:01:15] <Poster> when you create a 2 port bridge, you add
interfaces to it, we'll all it eth0 and eth1, they combine to
form br0 for example, br0 will have it's own mac and if you
wish you can assign an IP address to it and have IP connectivity
3091 [21:01:20] <SerajewelKS> right, so my point is that if an
ethernet network adapter refuses to transmit frames except with its
own baked-in hwaddr, then it can't be used in a bridge, right?
unless i am missing something?
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3094 [21:01:44] <SerajewelKS> right, i understand how it interacts
with respect to layer 2 and 3. the bridge ports are individual layer
2 devices that combine into a single layer 3 device.
3095 [21:01:48] <Poster> I have never heard of that being a thing,
I've created bridges with all types of hardware on Linux and
BSD
3096 [21:01:55] <Poster> and a few times on Windows
3097 [21:01:57] <SerajewelKS> layer 3 isn't important for
this discussion, really
3098 [21:02:10] <jhutchins_wk> I suspect that we may be thinking
of two diffrent kinds of bridging here.
3099 [21:02:23] <Papillon> a switch is a multiport bridge
3100 [21:02:47] <jhutchins_wk> We have the kind where we combine
interfaces for more bandwidth, and we have the kind that's used
with a VM.
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3102 [21:02:47] <SerajewelKS> i'm just trying to grok
"19:45 < jhutchins_wk> scotthanson: Some hardware
doesn't like mac spoofing." <-- it seems if that is the
case that this hardware also wouldn't be able to participate in
bridging, and i've not heard of such a case (personally)
3103 [21:02:54] <Papillon> a bridge just translates/interprets
from one side to the other, I don't see why it would have to
mirror the source mac
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3105 [21:03:16] <Poster> changing of mac address only impacts
traffic which is originated from or destined to a device
3106 [21:03:41] <Poster> it does impede the ability to forward
layer 2 frames
3107 [21:03:54] <Papillon> a network bridge doesn't mac spoof
afaik
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3109 [21:04:00] <Poster> no it doesn't
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3111 [21:04:07] <Papillon> unless it's a transparent bridge I
suppsoe
3112 [21:04:09] <Papillon> suppose
3113 [21:04:20] <Poster> well by definition a bridge is
transparent :o
3114 [21:04:25] <SerajewelKS> Poster: right. but it seems that if
you change the hwaddr of a kernel network interface, the kernel
should be able to simply send frames with a different source hwaddr.
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3117 [21:04:32] <Poster> you can do filtering with ebtables and
iptables though
3118 [21:04:35] <Papillon> a transparent bridge is transparent
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3120 [21:04:41] <SerajewelKS> Poster: and the physical hardware
doesn't really have anyway to tell if this is a spoofed or
forwarded frame
3121 [21:04:48] <Papillon> a non transparent bridge is a non
transparent bridge
3122 [21:05:02] <Poster> I put an ipless firewall between the
Internet and a Windows VPN system many years ago, I got to use
netfilter to screen it without putting a hop between it and the
Internet
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3124 [21:05:15] <Papillon> all switches are multiport bridges and
AFAIK most switches don't do mac spoofing unless you ask
'em real pretty like
3125 [21:05:22] <Papillon> and if they're into that
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3128 [21:05:25] <SerajewelKS> Poster: in other words, it seems to
me that if the physical hardware is capable of being used in a
software network bridge, it should also be able to be used to
transmit spoofed ethernet frames
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3130 [21:05:35] <Poster> SerajewelKS: the part I think you're
hung up on is that the bridge does not change it's address when
it forwards a frame, it remains the same
3131 [21:05:56] <Poster> it doesn't originate the frames, it
doesn't have to change it's mac address
3132 [21:05:58] <Poster> go set one up and see
3133 [21:06:04] <SerajewelKS> Poster: correct, but the physical
interface doesn't know the difference between the two cases
(spoofed frame vs forwarded frame)
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3135 [21:06:22] <SerajewelKS> Poster: both cases are
"ethernet frame with a different source hwaddr from my
own"
3136 [21:06:27] <Poster> there is no spoofing going on
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3138 [21:06:31] <Papillon> a non-transparent bridge doesn't
spoof the mac
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3140 [21:07:18] <Papillon> nic A with mac a sends to bridge port b
with mac b, bridge sends it out port c with mac c, the packet has
mac c as the source mac addy
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3143 [21:07:41] <Papillon> that's a non transparent bridge
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3145 [21:08:12] <SerajewelKS> Papillon: that sounds a bit useless?
how is the destination to know the origin mac address to direct
replies?
3146 [21:08:31] <Poster> the origin mac is forwarded, a bridge
learns mac addresses and on which interface to send them
3147 [21:08:42] <SerajewelKS> Poster: for a transparent bridge,
yes
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3149 [21:08:51] <Poster>
replaced-url
3150 [21:09:01] <Poster> "brctl showmacs"
3151 [21:09:19] <SerajewelKS> what Papillon is describing a
non-transparent bridge, where forwarded frames get their source
hwaddrs changed each time they are forwarded
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3153 [21:09:32] <SerajewelKS> i'm having trouble
understanding conceptually how such a non-transparent bridge is
useful
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3155 [21:09:36] <Poster> I don't think that counts as a
bridge
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3157 [21:09:48] <SerajewelKS> that's what i thought too
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3159 [21:10:46] <SerajewelKS> Poster: so yeah, i do understand how
transparent bridging works. to rephrase then, it seems that if a
hardware ethernet interface is compatible with software-implemented
transparent bridging (e.g. can transmit frames with an hwaddr
different from its own), then it should also be able to transmit
frames with a spoofed source hwaddr. right?
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3161 [21:11:18] <SerajewelKS> if not, i'm curious the
mechanism that is able to detect forwarded vs source-spoofed frames
3162 [21:11:18] <Poster> the mac on a bridge never, ever has to
change, it forwards the entire frame, including the source and
destination mac address
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3164 [21:11:36] <SerajewelKS> right
3165 [21:11:47] <Poster> I do not understand why you're stuck
on the idea of "spoofing"
3166 [21:11:55] <SerajewelKS> because that was the question
originally asked
3167 [21:12:07] <Poster> there is no spoofing on a layer 2 bridge,
it is forwarding
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3169 [21:12:34] <SerajewelKS> and my reply was something along the
lines of "if it can be used in a bridge, it can be used to
transmit spoofed frames" because both cases are the physical
adapter transmitting a frame with a different source hwaddr than its
own
3170 [21:12:52] <SerajewelKS> i'm not saying they are the
same, i'm saying hardware that can do one necessarily has to be
able to do the other
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3172 [21:13:28] <SerajewelKS> (when under the control of a
software environment that is able to do both, anyway)
3173 [21:13:32] <jhutchins_wk> This is really not on topic for
#debian, I think there's a ##networking?
3174 [21:13:49] <Poster> ok so when you have a NAT router
connecting you to the internet, you ping 8.8.8.8, are you going
under the assumption that your router is spoofing 8.8.8.8?
3175 [21:13:53] <SerajewelKS> yeah it kind of spiraled from a
misunderstanding
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3177 [21:14:05] <SerajewelKS> Poster: no, i am not talking about
layer 3 at all
3178 [21:14:28] <Poster> yeah I get that, I also get that
you're using the term spoof and I am trying to get a better
understanding as to what it means to you
3179 [21:14:29] <SerajewelKS> layer 3 routers do not forward
ethernet frames at all
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3181 [21:14:49] <SerajewelKS> if you would like we can continue
the discussion in a query?
3182 [21:14:56] <Poster> nah I give up
3183 [21:15:01] <Poster> set it up, I think you'll get it
3184 [21:15:03] <Poster> best of luck
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3186 [21:15:45] <SerajewelKS> i have, i have two physical
interfaces and a tinc VPN interface in a bridge with multiple
ebtables/iptables rules and tc classes, it's not a new concept
to me. i'm just relating two concepts and i think we are
crossing wires.
3187 [21:15:49] <SerajewelKS> no pun intended
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3191 [21:18:52] <Naipe2> hi
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3193 [21:19:18] <Naipe2> software is
3194 [21:19:28] <Naipe2> bug aaaaaa
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3220 [21:32:21] <Papillon> I think paul ryan rip van winkeled for
like 6 years because he's saying he thought the republicans
were the minority in the last congress
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3225 [21:33:23] <Papillon> or maybe it's a stepford wives
thing, maybe he's a stepford wife
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3228 [21:35:26] <Papillon> wrong window
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3231 [21:36:05] <psf45> Hello is there anyone who can please help
me recovering ecryptfs from an external drive?
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3237 [21:39:29] <SpeakerToMeat> Is there a searchable list of
packages for 2.1 somewhere?
3238 [21:39:46] <greycat> !archive
3239 [21:39:46] <dpkg> it has been said that archive is a
collection of files. 'tar', 'ar',
'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as
compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the
repository for old Debian releases, see
replaced-url
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3242 [21:40:19] <SpeakerToMeat> !snapshot
3243 [21:40:20] <dpkg>
replaced-url
3244 [21:40:30] <SpeakerToMeat> Meh only 2005
3245 [21:40:49] <TomTomTosch> that's not the archive.
3246 [21:41:01] <SpeakerToMeat> Ah archive.debian.net
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3255 [21:43:03] <SpeakerToMeat> Mein gots there's packages
still avail
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3257 [21:44:27] <SpeakerToMeat> Did you know for 2.1 there was no
/etc/networking and the interface settings where set and applied in
/etc/init.d/networking ?
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3306 [22:06:31] <Guest89224> is it possible to replace android os
with debian
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3308 [22:08:25] <Papillon> possibly if your phone can be
jailbroken or whatever but I don't think it would still work as
a phone
3309 [22:08:33] <Papillon> or if it did it would be fairly
torturous
3310 [22:09:12] <Guest89224> don't like chroot env cos you
cant compile kernels etc
3311 [22:09:59] <Guest89224> i was wanting to install linux from
android system recovery
3312 [22:10:09] <Guest89224> ie. a linux firmware
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3315 [22:11:49] <Papillon> do you still want to use the device as
a phone?
3316 [22:11:52] <SpeakerToMeat> You would need to use the android
provided kernel, and will lose almost every hardware functionality
provided in the android stack.
3317 [22:12:04] <randy1985> so assuming its an extremely popular
device, you can flash a rom to it and you don't care about it
staying a phone, how torturous might it be?
3318 [22:13:08] <SpeakerToMeat> Man I miss familiar linux a little
3319 [22:13:11] <SpeakerToMeat> that an qpie
3320 [22:13:34] <Guest89224> its not a phone - an android box
(mini pc)
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3336 [22:19:37] <julius_> hi
3337 [22:19:56] <Papillon> hi
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3339 [22:20:03] <abff> hu
3340 [22:20:14] <julius_> need some input on a network card being
recognized but not being useable, posted all the details here:
replaced-url
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3348 [22:23:01] <velix> Debian as its best... again:
"10mount: mount: special device /home/root/ubuntu/scratch does
not exist"
3349 [22:23:15] <velix> somebody seems to have hardcoded
/home/$USER
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3355 [22:25:09] <fofo> hi
3356 [22:25:34] <SerajewelKS> velix: what?
3357 [22:25:57] <velix> SerajewelKS: Somebody seems to have
hardcoded "/home/$USER" in a script.
3358 [22:26:09] <jelly> velix: it's unlikely a tool coming
from debian has anything like "ubuntu/scratch" in the
default config
3359 [22:26:09] <velix> SerajewelKS: I'm running it as root
and it tries to find /home/root
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3361 [22:26:21] <SerajewelKS> velix: ah, right. umm, is this
debian?
3362 [22:26:30] <velix> jelly: Nah, I'm installing an ubuntu
chroot to debian :)
3363 [22:26:31] <sypher> Survey says...
3364 [22:26:33] <fofo> I want to make a multi boot. Is the choice
to use GUID for extended partition, MBR for system and GUID FOR
personnal datas a good choice?
3365 [22:26:50] <SerajewelKS> velix: what makes you think the
problem is in the debian script and not the ubuntu script then?
3366 [22:26:50] <velix> SerajewelKS: Yep, sbuild scripts.
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3368 [22:27:16] <Papillon> mbr as in master boot record?
3369 [22:27:18] <velix> SerajewelKS: It can't finish
installing the chroot, since the directory can't be found.
3370 [22:27:21] <SerajewelKS> velix: if there is a problem,
consider creating a bug report instead of joining the channel just
to complain about it?
3371 [22:27:39] <velix> SerajewelKS: Normally, IRC is about
discussion problem.
3372 [22:27:41] <velix> problems*
3373 [22:27:43] <SerajewelKS> velix: workaround with "sudo ln
-s /root /home/root"?
3374 [22:27:51] <velix> SerajewelKS: sure, or run as non-root.
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3379 [22:28:32] <SerajewelKS> velix: not to put too fine a point
on it, but starting your "question" (which you never
asked) with "Debian as its best..." does not particularly
indicate a good faith effort to discuss a problem
3380 [22:28:44] <jelly> it's a rant
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3382 [22:28:54] <SerajewelKS> seems that way, yeah
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3384 [22:29:21] <greycat> More of a bug report to the wrong place.
3385 [22:29:21] <velix> ;)
3386 [22:29:37] <velix> I'll file a bug and maybe a patch.
3387 [22:29:43] <jelly> dpkg, tell velix about reportbug
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3389 [22:29:52] <velix> jelly: I know reportbug. Used it a lot.
3390 [22:30:06] <jelly> then you know what to do
3391 [22:30:12] <velix> Since I'm using Jessie, it's
outdated anyway.
3392 [22:30:22] <SerajewelKS> IRC is better for "i'm
having this weird problem, can someone help me diagnose it or figure
out the appropriate package to file a bug"
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3394 [22:30:34] <rca_connection> how much longer does my lennie
live?
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3397 [22:30:52] <rca_connection> lenny
3398 [22:31:15] <rca_connection> silence isn't good
3399 [22:31:17] <jelly> velix, if you want to do unconstructive
rants and are not actually looking for tech support, perhaps
#debian-offtopic is a more suitable place
3400 [22:31:19] <rca_connection> lol
3401 [22:31:26] <teraflops> nah irc is 70% idling 20% trolling and
10% support
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3403 [22:31:45] <velix> jelly: ok ok ok ;)
3404 [22:31:46] <jelly> rca_connection, read /msg dpkg lenny
3405 [22:31:52] <rca_connection> I have a lenny running on a raq4i
I am not trollin
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3407 [22:32:23] <velix> jelly: I am sorry. And I will NOT give a
rant about grub2 scripts.
3408 [22:32:54] <jelly> !slap velix
3409 [22:32:55] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across velix's
face
3410 [22:33:12] <greycat> lenny is way beyond its end of life.
3411 [22:33:24] <jelly> it's undead.
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3415 [22:33:35] <jelly> an ex-release
3416 [22:33:39] <rca_connection> hmm maybe I went to jessie
3417 [22:33:52] <digdilem> nonsense, lenny's just asleep
3418 [22:34:37] <rca_connection> dave studman would know
3419 [22:34:38] <greycat> !lenny
3420 [22:34:38] <dpkg> Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux
5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended
on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users
should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>.
Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny
sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny
iso>.
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3422 [22:34:52] <SerajewelKS> i just got all my boxes on jessie
last year
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3429 [22:35:27] <SerajewelKS> i just realized how long i've
been on debian. woody was the first release i installed.
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3437 [22:36:55] <digdilem> my first version was woody (2.2). it#s
come a long way (especially with the GUIs) since then
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3439 [22:37:09] <SerajewelKS> digdilem: 2.2 was potato
3440 [22:37:14] <digdilem> hand editing X config files for
specific monitors wasn't fun
3441 [22:37:18] <digdilem> oh r, potato.
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3444 [22:37:49] <SerajewelKS> yeah i remember xfree86 fun
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3463 [22:41:37] <teraflops> potato was a great release
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3474 [22:46:42] <ws2k3> how can i check in debian of DCA is
enabled in the bios?
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3495 [22:54:32] <towo`> ws2k3, dmesg | grep -i dca?
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3500 [22:57:19] <ws2k3> towo machine is already up pretty long so
dmesg is full of crapp
3501 [22:57:37] <towo`> that's why you should use grep
3502 [22:57:52] <towo`> problems with reading what's written?
3503 [22:58:00] <ws2k3> towo` i know but when dmesg gets filled
alot old stuff gets removed
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3505 [22:58:07] <ws2k3> so i cant see the boot proces anymore in
dmesg
3506 [22:59:38] <towo`> if you use systemd with persistent
journal, journalctl -b | grep -i dca should do the job
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3508 [23:00:12] <ws2k3> towo` no dmesg its debian 7
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3510 [23:00:35] <towo`> even with systemd there is dmesg
3511 [23:00:48] <ws2k3> no systemd i mean. cause its debian 7
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3516 [23:02:34] <bernhardr> I have an issue that i cant upgrade
the kernel because the boot partition rootfs is about full.. What
would be a good way to fix this ?
3517 [23:02:52] <bernhardr> rootfs 322M 265M 41M 87% /
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3519 [23:03:02] <ws2k3> Bercik clean up the rootfs?
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3522 [23:03:16] <ws2k3> bernhardr clean up the rootfs?
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3528 [23:04:23] <bernhardr> ws2k3 already tried apt-get clean
3529 [23:04:40] <bernhardr> but space stays at 87% full
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3531 [23:05:05] <mtn> bernhardr: do you have more than one kernel
installed?
3532 [23:05:21] <bernhardr> i tried to find that out but seems
not..
3533 [23:05:39] <mtn> bernhardr: "treid to find out"?
3534 [23:05:45] <bernhardr> dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'
3535 [23:05:45] <dpkg> ii 'linux-image-*' 3.1-1.3 ultra
s3kr1t #debian package
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3538 [23:05:56] <bernhardr> as dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'
3539 [23:06:16] <bernhardr> un linux-image-2. <none> (no
description available)
3540 [23:06:16] <bernhardr> un linux-image-2. <none> (no
description available)
3541 [23:06:39] <bernhardr> that 9 times plus
3542 [23:06:41] <bernhardr> ii linux-image-3. 3.2.84-2 i386 Linux
3.2 for modern PCs
3543 [23:06:41] <bernhardr> ii linux-image-68 3.2+46 i386 Linux
for modern PCs (meta-packag
3544 [23:07:10] <towo`> ws2k3, is ioatdma loaded in your system?
3545 [23:07:32] <somiaj> bernhardr: please use a pastebin for
posts like that
3546 [23:07:37] <bernhardr> ok
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3548 [23:08:14] <somiaj> also prefix with a COLUMNS=200 or similar
so the names don't get cut off
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3554 [23:09:54] <bernhardr> ws2k3 so it seems that only 1 kernel
is installed. but actually i do not know what these lines mean. un
linux-image-2. <none> (no description available)
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3556 [23:10:45] <johnkeates> run ncdu -x / and you'll know
where your space is
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3559 [23:12:16] <bernhardr> johnkeates i know where the space is.
but that is not the issue.. issue is that the boot partition is to
small to upgrade to latest kernel.. rootfs 322M 265M 41M 87% /
3560 [23:12:50] <johnkeates> make it bigger
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3563 [23:13:12] <bernhardr> Like this.. extract to
'/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-af9015.ko.dpkg-new':
failed to write (No space left on device)
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3565 [23:13:26] <johnkeates> that's not boot, that's
root
3566 [23:13:39] <johnkeates> also, just because it seems
there's free space, doesn't mean there is
3567 [23:13:45] <johnkeates> maybe you nave no more inodes
3568 [23:13:49] <johnkeates> or the free space is reserved space
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3570 [23:15:01] <Poster> it's also possible that unpacking
the package is filling up what is left, on faiure it's removed
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3574 [23:15:24] <Poster> I tend to keep my root filesystem small,
kernel upgrades with all of their associated modules are usually
what will fill it up
3575 [23:15:28] <bernhardr> johnkeates Yes Root, thats the answer.
Resize it.. now only 41 meg left so not enough space to extract.
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3577 [23:16:32] <johnkeates> don't extract
3578 [23:16:35] <johnkeates> just resize it first
3579 [23:16:41] <johnkeates> and then do your space-hungry stuff
3580 [23:16:53] <bernhardr> but this is my production server, so i
cant take a chance to mess it up with resizing, so i think i would
need to free up space.. or clone the drive and test resizing.
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3583 [23:17:06] <johnkeates> then what are you doing here
3584 [23:17:12] <johnkeates> we can't fix your small disks
magically :p
3585 [23:17:46] <johnkeates> ncdu will give you a nice overview of
what's where and how big it is
3586 [23:17:54] <johnkeates> so you know what to delete to free up
space
3587 [23:17:59] <johnkeates> other than that you're screwed
:p
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3590 [23:18:11] <bernhardr> johnkeates funny, meaby you came here
once for advise.. now you past that station and dont understand why
other come for advice.
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3592 [23:18:20] <johnkeates> no
3593 [23:18:37] <johnkeates> if you can't manage a production
server you shouldn't be the one doing it
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3595 [23:18:44] * mtn looks for the magic wand
3596 [23:18:47] <johnkeates> also, me, and others, gave you
options
3597 [23:18:51] <johnkeates> and you didn't like them
3598 [23:19:22] <johnkeates> you either have to make more space or
reclaim space
3599 [23:19:26] <johnkeates> those are your options
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3601 [23:21:15] <velix> Does Debian use auFS or overlayFS ?
3602 [23:21:20] <johnkeates> no
3603 [23:21:38] <johnkeates> unless you configure it to use it. by
default it uses ext3/ext4
3604 [23:21:48] <johnkeates> it has support for many filesystems
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3606 [23:22:54] <randy1985> what about ntfs?
3607 [23:23:48] <johnkeates> yes, it supports that too
3608 [23:23:59] <johnkeates> ntfs-3g is the best supported r/w
option
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3612 [23:24:31] <velix> Anyone with an idea? I can find both on
the web.
3613 [23:25:00] <johnkeates> what do you mean with "an
idea". A list of supported systems is here: a number of
3614 [23:25:03] <johnkeates>
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3615 [23:25:04] <missmbob> ,v aufs-dkms
3616 [23:25:06] <judd> Package: aufs-dkms on amd64 -- stretch:
4.9+20161219-1; sid: 4.9+20161219-2
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3623 [23:26:12] <velix> johnkeates: thanks. I've also found
texts about OverlayFS.
3624 [23:26:29] <johnkeates> good
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3627 [23:26:43] * johnkeates isn't sure what the deal is here, but
as long as they're happy it's fine.
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3635 [23:28:13] <bernhardr> Johnkeates must have voted for Trump
.. i sense the same empathy in his manners..
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3637 [23:28:38] <johnkeates> lol, i'm glad i don't live
in the USA, i'd have to deal with that shitshow politics of
theirs
3638 [23:28:54] <SerajewelKS> this isn't the appropriate
channel for political discussions
3639 [23:28:55] <missmbob> please leave politics out of #debian
3640 [23:29:16] <Aleric> Hi - I'm using a multi-monitor setup
(three monitors). Ever since I upgraded to Xenial, *every* X
application suffers from a complete graphical-update freeze; that
is, the application keeps running normally but the window isn't
updated anymore unless I move the mouse between windows or some such
(and then they are only updated once). The only way to recover a
window in this state is to close it and restart the application :/
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3643 [23:29:43] <Aleric> This seems a very serious issue, so I was
wondering if there is anything known about it :/.
3644 [23:29:58] <missmbob> Aleric: please ask the #ubuntu people
3645 [23:29:58] <SerajewelKS> !ubuntu
3646 [23:29:58] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
3647 [23:29:59] <johnkeates> ubuntu isn't debian
3648 [23:30:11] <Aleric> Oh.. right :/
3649 [23:30:23] <johnkeates> yeah.. sorry, that's the channel
rules
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3651 [23:30:43] <Aleric> I suppose this freeze isn't known
for debian?
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3653 [23:31:10] <johnkeates> no, it hasn't happened here
3654 [23:31:28] <Aleric> well - I'll try asking on #ubuntu ..
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3656 [23:31:56] <SerajewelKS> Aleric: not that we're hostile
to ubuntu, but there's nothing we can do for you. even if we
experienced the same issue, there is no guarantee the fix for debian
is the same as the fix for ubuntu.
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3671 [23:46:05] <Skaag> I just finished dd'ing an 8gb
partition from one small drive to a larger drive, how do I make it
use the newly available space on the new drive?
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3673 [23:46:14] <Skaag> I tried resize2fs but see no change in the
partition size
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3675 [23:46:48] <Skaag> i'm guessing resize2fs only does it
on the filesystem level, not the partition level
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3683 [23:48:08] <Skaag> ok parted seems to be able to do that
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3687 [23:50:36] <SerajewelKS> Skaag: resize2fs only resizes to
fill the partition
3688 [23:50:46] <SerajewelKS> Skaag: you need to extend the
partition before running resize2fs
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3691 [23:52:22] <SerajewelKS> Skaag: so yes, resize2fs only
resizes filesystems. it does not resize partitions. that's the
job for fdisk and friends. but yes, parted/gparted can do both.
3692 [23:52:39] <SerajewelKS> (they'll resize the partition
and then invoke resize2fs for you)
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3695 [23:55:20] <Skaag> yah parted did a good job
3696 [23:55:43] <Skaag> now I'll try again but without
removing sdb2 and sdb5, and see if it can still somehow resize sdb1
to fill the disk
3697 [23:55:59] <SerajewelKS> i have a CD sitting around with
gparted live (a debian-based live CD). i use it a lot for partition
editing and data recovery. gparted is pretty slick.
3698 [23:56:20] <SerajewelKS> i remember back when partitionmagic
really seemed like magic. nowadays, gparted can do pretty much all
the same stuff and is better at it.
3699 [23:56:23] <Skaag> nope, "Error: Can't have
overlapping partitions"
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3701 [23:56:43] <SerajewelKS> Skaag: i hope these partitions are
not mounted
3702 [23:56:48] <Skaag> they aren't
3703 [23:56:57] <Skaag>
replaced-url
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3705 [23:57:09] <missmbob> !gparted iso
3706 [23:57:09] <dpkg> i guess gparted iso is live cd to manage
partitions
replaced-url
3707 [23:57:25] <Skaag> I think 2 and 5 are really the same one,
and it's just a swap partition
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3715 [23:59:04] <SerajewelKS> Skaag: no, 2 is an extended
partition
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3717 [23:59:22] <SerajewelKS> Skaag: a disk is allowed to have at
most one extended partition, which contains every logical partition
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3719 [23:59:59] <SerajewelKS> Skaag: primary partitions are
numbered 1-4, logical partitions are numbered starting at 5. a disk
can have at most 4 physical partitions. an extended partition is a
physical partition that contains logical partitions.
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