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0[00:00:57] <kadiro> indeed trek00 thank you guys that was
very helpful
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12[00:08:38] <HelloShitty> Tell me something about elinks, if
you guys know... When you run elinks and open, for instance,
duckduckgo, you get some results. You open one of the links from the
results. What if you want to go back to the results?
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15[00:09:11] <abrotman> I'm sure it has documentation
about how to use it?
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18[00:09:57] <HelloShitty> oh, I got it
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20[00:10:08] <HelloShitty> yes, I am looking in default key map
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24[00:10:31] <HelloShitty> but I wasn't yet at the point
where they say about this action
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25[00:10:34] <HelloShitty> I got it now
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30[00:12:25] <annadane> i never even read the docs, i just did
what seemed intuitive and it worked
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32[00:13:04] <kadiro> probably you use google
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73[00:34:48] <CrystalMath> hi
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74[00:34:54] <CrystalMath> when compiling a linux-source kernel
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75[00:34:59] <CrystalMath> where is the preempt_rt patch?
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100[00:47:52] <CrystalMath> also, why is there no metapackage
that always depends on the latest *unsigned* kernel?
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101[00:48:02] <CrystalMath> this way i probably have to manually
upgrade them
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103[00:48:22] <CrystalMath> i really don't want to run a
signed kernel, it restricts some debugging features, and it has no
purpose (i don't have UEFI)
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137[01:06:18] <trek00> CrystalMath: on buster i have installed
linux-image-amd64
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138[01:06:37] <CrystalMath> trek00: yes but that depends on the
signed version
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139[01:06:42] <CrystalMath> i want the unsigned version
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140[01:07:10] <CrystalMath> furthermore, i compiled my own with
many security features disabled, but i want to add preempt_rt to it
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144[01:08:28] <trek00> CrystalMath: may be
linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64-unsigned
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145[01:08:44] <trek00> CrystalMath: sorry it was an error
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146[01:09:04] <CrystalMath> yes but that is a specific version
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147[01:09:12] <CrystalMath> will that still auto-upgrade?
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149[01:09:31] <CrystalMath> especially since, it had to *remove*
linux-image-amd64
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151[01:09:41] <trek00> CrystalMath: not, i wrote that in error
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152[01:09:53] <CrystalMath> because it conflicts with
linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64
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155[01:14:08] <trek00> CrystalMath: about debugging features it
blocks, you mean you can't compile and load a modified version
of a module?
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156[01:14:26] <CrystalMath> more than that
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157[01:14:42] <CrystalMath> but yeah custom modules and stuff
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158[01:14:57] <CrystalMath> anyway, i have unsigned, but i want
them to upgrade automatically
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160[01:15:41] <CrystalMath> i would also personally like it to
not waste time on nonsense such as module signing
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162[01:16:03] <trek00> CrystalMath: it seems this metapackage is
missing
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166[01:17:48] <CrystalMath> that's really sad
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167[01:18:58] <karlpinc> CrystalMath: Submit a wishlist bug
report. Seems easy to satisfy your request.
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168[01:19:11] <CrystalMath> yeah but i won't get it in
stable
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171[01:19:43] <SerajewelKS> is there any web-based "user
self-service" software for LDAP users, where they could e.g.
change their own password?
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172[01:20:02] <karlpinc> CrystalMath: True. But eventually. It
could be that somebody backports it (and keeps up with backporting
it.)
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174[01:20:26] <CrystalMath> the backported version will likely
depend on backported kernels
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175[01:20:33] <CrystalMath> it's just toast, i have to
think of another way
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176[01:20:40] <karlpinc> SerajewelKS: You would think so, but I
don't know. RH open sourced some ldap gui admin tool. Maybe
there's a component.
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177[01:21:02] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: it is possible with
phpldapadmin but it's so convoluted for an end user
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178[01:21:10] <CrystalMath> maybe a cron job that will email me
if it finds a newer kernel
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179[01:21:17] <cinesc> when you just wget it doesn´t
require root?
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180[01:21:27] <SerajewelKS> sign in, click your cn=* name below
the action icons, find userPassword, make sure hash is set to
ssha...
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181[01:21:29] <karlpinc> cinesc: Nope, not root.
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182[01:21:29] <cinesc> use wget*
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183[01:21:46] <cinesc> ok
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184[01:22:41] <karlpinc> CrystalMath: Maybe there's already
a package that emails when it finds some newer package of some kind.
:-)
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186[01:22:52] <SerajewelKS> karlpinc: hmm i just found
replaced-url
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187[01:23:10] <CrystalMath> karlpinc: do you know any?
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188[01:23:26] <karlpinc> CrystalMath: No. Maybe search with
debtags.
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189[01:23:31] <CrystalMath> hmm, maybe unattended upgrades could
do it
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191[01:24:08] <karlpinc> CrystalMath: That sounds plausible.
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194[01:25:21] <CrystalMath> karlpinc: btw what about my other
question?
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195[01:25:24] <SerajewelKS> if you uninstalled the kernel
metapackage though, there won't be any "updates"
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196[01:25:35] <SerajewelKS> there will just be a new package
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197[01:25:45] <CrystalMath> SerajewelKS: yeah that's why i
need to make it look for packages somehow
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198[01:26:05] <CrystalMath> that fit the form
"linux-image-4.16.*-amd64-unsigned"
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199[01:26:28] <CrystalMath> karlpinc: my other question was, how
do i apply the preempt_rt debian uses for linux-image-rt
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200[01:26:35] <CrystalMath> karlpinc: where is its source?
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201[01:27:03] <SerajewelKS> CrystalMath: apt-cache search
'linux-image-4\.16\..*-amd64-unsigned' | sort >
/tmp/kernel-list
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202[01:27:22] <SerajewelKS> CrystalMath: then daily in cron,
diff that against the new output and email it to yourself if
non-blank
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204[01:28:21] <SerajewelKS> CrystalMath: should not be too hard
to script something like this
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205[01:28:30] <CrystalMath> yeah
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209[01:31:51] <CrystalMath> thank you SerajewelKS :)
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214[01:35:35] <SerajewelKS> CrystalMath: you could also just
rely on cron to email you output
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215[01:36:23] <CrystalMath> it's pretty easy, even to
automatically check if it's installed
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216[01:36:26] <SerajewelKS> CrystalMath:
replaced-url
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217[01:36:26] <CrystalMath> and upgrade
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219[01:37:09] <SerajewelKS> CrystalMath: making that into a
script and putting it in your user's crontab should work
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225[01:41:18] <CrystalMath> well it's also easy to list
installed packages
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226[01:41:24] <CrystalMath> and figure out whether an upgrade is
needed
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227[01:41:30] <CrystalMath> and even upgrade in that case
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230[01:42:05] <CrystalMath> still wondering about PREEMPT RT
though
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248[02:02:08] <cinesc> how did you open a folder in a file
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249[02:03:01] <tomreyn> nautilus /path/to/folder i would think
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251[02:03:21] <cinesc> doesn´t seem to work with dolphin
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252[02:04:07] <tomreyn> about your other question, you could try
replaced-url
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254[02:04:52] <cinesc> tried it and found out over half of those
are not mitigated and trying to solve it
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256[02:05:45] <cinesc> all because of the cpu side lacking what
was needed
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257[02:06:35] <tomreyn> thats what "bios" upgrades and
microcode updates are for, if they exist for your cpu, yes
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258[02:06:59] <cinesc> fortunately I found one
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259[02:07:25] <tomreyn> try this for dolphin: kfmclient exec
/path/to/the/directory/
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260[02:07:42] <cinesc> although I need to open a folder path I
seem to have problem using because of the file manager
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261[02:08:21] <tomreyn> i can't parse this statement.
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263[02:09:18] <cinesc> it solved the weird issue I had
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265[02:10:38] <cinesc> nope the same thing happened
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266[02:10:53] <cinesc> at root trying to access the root folder
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267[02:11:17] <cinesc> got thiswhen attempting
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268[02:11:38] <cinesc> qt.qpa.screen: QXcbConnection: Could not
connect to display
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269[02:11:46] <cinesc> Could not connect to any X display.
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272[02:12:14] <tomreyn> makes sense, don't run X
applications as root.
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273[02:12:43] <cinesc> what can i do instead to reach to what I
need?
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276[02:13:33] <cinesc> need to edit grub to match a package I
downloaded with the terminal before I restart in case something
unexpected happen
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277[02:13:39] <tomreyn> use the terminal if you need to work
outside of your home and directories your restricted user has access
to
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278[02:14:00] <cinesc> yes trying to do that
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279[02:14:07] <annadane> does anyone know why hexchat constantly
ignores me /ignore freenode-connect so i don't get the ctcp
version check every time on startup? =/
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280[02:14:18] <annadane> ignores my*
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281[02:14:33] <annadane> at least the first few times...
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282[02:14:50] <cinesc> going to try with nautilus instead
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292[02:18:08] <tomreyn> no you're not tryint to work with
the temrinal, you're trying to start a graphical file browser
as the root user, which can't work since root doesn't run
an X server, and then have that graphical file browser access a
directory your restricted user has no access to. that's two
mistakes at once.
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297[02:19:01] <Thienma> anyone in here is using a wireless pci
adapter?
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298[02:19:02] <cinesc> or I am forgetting one thing
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301[02:19:48] <tomreyn> Thienma: most certainly, but don't
poll, just ask your actual question please.
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311[02:24:07] <cinesc> how do I open a file like a folder as
root?
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312[02:24:38] <cinesc> want to get this procedure completed
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314[02:25:12] <Thienma> tomreyn, I'm trying to find one
that worked best with debian.
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315[02:25:18] <tomreyn> cinesc: why dont you just use the shell?
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317[02:25:56] <cinesc> the terminal? using it right now trying
to figure out
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318[02:26:18] <tomreyn> use it to do whatever else you need to
do in /root, too
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324[02:28:41] <tomreyn> Thienma: you'd need to pick a
chipset, then base don that hopefully find a brand and model which
sells with this chipset. this is maybe a bit outdated
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325[02:29:15] <cinesc> how do I open a file within i (not as in
open to pop up in a new window like a window) and edit?
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327[02:29:18] <Thienma> I looked into this already. I'm
checking with you to see if you have experience more.
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328[02:29:33] <Thienma> yes, this is outdated.
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329[02:29:54] <Thienma> I want something that stable and fast :)
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330[02:30:20] <Thienma> solid connection
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334[02:32:12] <tomreyn> Thienma: you probably want a realtek or
atheros one, one which supports 802.11ac if your router can do this.
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336[02:32:31] <tomreyn> if you want a "solid
connection" then don't use wireless.
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338[02:33:22] <Thienma> we don't have anything for wireless
that like wired?
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342[02:34:02] <tomreyn> use ethernet wherever possible
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348[02:37:55] <tomreyn> less latency, less jitter, less packet
loss, higher bandwidth, less power consumption, can't be
snooped on as easily
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350[02:38:55] <Thienma> i'm interesting in this card
Rosewill Rnx-AC1900PCE, 802.11AC
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351[02:39:01] <Thienma> anyone is using it?
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353[02:40:13] <Thienma> my spot is tough to drop a wire that
looks good lol
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367[02:46:34] <tomreyn> Thienma: that's got a broadcom
vhipset, don't buy this one.
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368[02:46:42] <tomreyn> *chipset
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369[02:46:45] <Thienma> oh
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370[02:47:13] <Thienma> realtek or atheros only?
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371[02:47:23] <Thienma> what chipsets I should look into tomreyn
?
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373[02:48:38] <tomreyn> here's a list of atheros 802.11ac
chipsets (ath10k driver) and matching brands/models
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379[02:49:49] <Thienma> thank you for your suggestion. I will
look into it.
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409[03:11:10] <oxek> any recommendation for a wifi-n or wifi-ac
USB adapter that works in debian without non-free firmware?
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411[03:12:23] <Ether_Man> Is there something I have to do before
I can mount a btrfs fs when booting in rescue mode from install
disk? I've mounted the fs before during the install from the
same media and all but it won't during rescue? Getting invalid
argument error from mount, and syslog says it can't read the
system array and open_ctree failed. Multidrive array if that matters
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420[03:15:35] <oxek> are you mounting it with -t btrfs option?
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421[03:15:40] <Ether_Man> Yes
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422[03:15:42] <oxek> Ether_Man: ^
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425[03:16:13] <Ether_Man> And I can use the btrfs commands to
see the fs and everything so it's very much there and not
degraded or anything :/
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427[03:16:35] <oxek> what's the error you get?
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428[03:16:46] <oxek> exactly
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441[03:22:18] <Ether_Man> '~# mount -t btrfs /dev/sda1
/target/' "mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /target/ failed:
Invalid argument" syslog gives 5 lines. "BTRFS info
(device sda1): disk space caching is enabled" "BTRFS info
(device sda1): has skinny extents" "BTRFS error (device
sda1): devid 6 uuid <uuid> is missing" "BTRFS error
(device sda1): failed to read the system array: -2" "BTRFS
error (device sda1): open_ctree failed"
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442[03:23:06] <Ether_Man> devid 6, corresponds to /dev/sdb1, and
'btrfs fi show' shows it is there
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447[03:27:10] <Ether_Man> Hmm.. wait... suddenly it works...
wtf?
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449[03:27:42] <Ether_Man> I even used the backlog for the
command so I'm 100% sure it was the SAME damn command I used
too O_o
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456[03:33:23] <oxek> Ether_Man: you probably tried mounting it
before all the stuff was loaded in the rescue environment
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457[03:33:56] <oxek> sometimes I get a similar problem
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458[03:33:59] <Ether_Man> it loads things in the background even
after I launch a shell?
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459[03:34:21] <oxek> maybe. I sometimes get a problem that mount
does not work, I wait a few minutes, and the same mount command now
works
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460[03:34:45] <Ether_Man> How weird :)
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474[03:46:15] <apteryx> karlpinc: that's where I looked at,
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496[04:05:03] <karlpinc> apteryx: I suppose it is possible that
some other package puts something somewhere that alters emacs'
behavior. But then it's not really emacs that is the issue.
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497[04:06:05] <karlpinc> apteryx: Or it could be a debian patch
to some other part of emacs. You'd have to look at all the
patches descriptions. (I presume there are descriptions.)
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515[04:20:51] <apteryx> karlpinc: thanks
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520[04:25:19] <karlpinc> apteryx: Humm. See: zless
/usr/share/doc/emacs25-common/README.Debian.gz
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521[04:25:25] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
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522[04:25:26] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a
document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains
any Debian specific details in the package's operation or
configuration.
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530[04:31:13] <karlpinc> apteryx: I don't see anything
about package.el.
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531[04:31:41] <apteryx> maybe someone dreamt about it. eh!
thanks for the useful pointers :-)
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533[04:32:26] <karlpinc> apteryx: I am running stretch, so you
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548[04:47:31] <Ether_Man> Hm. If I need to make an edit to the
post-install script, where are they located?
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555[04:52:44] <jmcnaught> Ether_Man:
/var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst
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557[04:53:21] <Ether_Man> Cheers :)
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573[05:03:18] <Ether_Man> Aww ;_; it's in some random
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606[05:50:02] <n-iCe> hi guys, how do I know if my wifi card
works with Debian. When using the netinstall ( 02:00.0 Network
controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73)
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610[05:56:49] <wawowe> n-iCe: you will most likely need to get
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612[05:57:08] <n-iCe> wawowe: or use the non-free iso, right?
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613[05:58:11] <wawowe> n-iCe: yes
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615[05:58:31] <n-iCe> Perfect, is testing that much buggy? or
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616[05:58:45] <n-iCe> go
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617[05:59:33] <wawowe> n-iCe: it's up to you, testing is
testing
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brbr
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634[06:14:00] <sfplehardy> Hi guys ! Hope you doing well ! So
when I start my computer no more grub... It happened just like that,
no known reason why... So when I am supposed to see Grub screen, I
have a black screen that show only "_" and no way to type
anything.......
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635[06:15:22] <sfplehardy> From live-debian I can see boot file
with grub in it
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636[06:16:06] <sfplehardy> It's really strange for me, but
I have a very basic knowledge
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647[06:21:58] <n-iCe> Done, I'm in Debian!
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657[06:27:42] <wawowe> sfplehardy: mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi
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659[06:28:25] <sfplehardy> Ok wawowe I look at it
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660[06:28:29] <n-iCe> wawowe: Sorry, can't find how to
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661[06:30:03] <wawowe> n-iCe: dmesg|grep -i synaptics
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665[06:31:57] <n-iCe> wawowe: done
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666[06:32:25] <n-iCe> installed
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672[06:34:00] <sfplehardy> Wawowe -> /boot/efi : mount point
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675[06:35:40] <n-iCe> working now!
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685[06:39:41] <sfplehardy> wawowe ... ls: cannot access
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686[06:40:25] <wawowe> sfplehardy: ok, so you have a shell on
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687[06:40:37] <sfplehardy> Yes
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688[06:40:53] <wawowe> sfplehardy: fdisk -l /dev/sda
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694[06:43:22] <sfplehardy> Oh sorry yes I wasn't...
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697[06:44:23] <wawowe> sfplehardy: you should see something like
/dev/sda1 EFI System, /dev/sda2 Linux filesystem
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698[06:44:45] <sfplehardy> wawowe yes you are right
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702[06:46:15] <wawowe> sfplehardy: mkdir /mntpnt; mount
/dev/sda2 /mntpnt
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704[06:46:48] <wawowe> sfplehardy: mount /dev/sda1
/mntpnt/boot/efi
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708[06:48:22] <wawowe> sfplehardy: mount -o bind /dev
/mntpnt/dev; mount -o bind /sys /mntpnt/sys; mount -t proc proc
/mntpnt/proc
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709[06:49:18] <wawowe> sfplehardy: chroot /mntpnt
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711[06:49:32] <sfplehardy> Do you know the live-cd root password
wawowe?
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712[06:50:09] <trek00> sfplehardy: may be you can try: sudo su -
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713[06:50:34] <wawowe> sfplehardy: grub-install
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714[06:51:23] <sfplehardy> I always forget that password
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715[06:52:22] <wawowe> sfplehardy: do what trek00 said
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716[06:52:52] <sfplehardy> Very good !
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718[06:53:34] <wawowe> sfplehardy: and after the
grub-install,(assuming it's successful), type exit and then
reboot
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720[06:54:12] <sfplehardy> Mkdir cannot create directory
'/mntpnt': File exists
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722[06:54:59] <sfplehardy> After doing : mkdir /mntpnt; mount
/dev/sda2 /mntpnt
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725[06:56:29] <wawowe> sfplehardy: mount | grep mntpnt
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726[06:56:38] <wawowe> sfplehardy: what does that return?
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730[06:58:45] <sfplehardy> ...
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732[06:59:05] <sfplehardy> Sorry,
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734[07:00:10] <sfplehardy> It is difficult now, because I am
typing from my smartphone so I am going on IRC on my computer, sorry
about that
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755[07:05:08] <sfphlehardy> ok wawowe, much confortable now !
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757[07:05:39] <co1or> hey ive been doing a lot of research, and
apparently, if I *DO* "downgrade" ("upgrade"?)
to Debian from LinuxMint, I will still be able to do all the things
I can already do on LinuxMint. (Apparently, there are open source
drivers available for most categories hardware, that will be
compatible with the vast majority of makes & models.
[*THAT'S* what I was concerned about before!])
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758[07:06:07] <co1or> categories OF hardware*
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759[07:06:08] <sfphlehardy> wawowe -> mount | grep
mntpnt/dev/sda2 on /mntpnt type ext4 (rw,relatime)
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760[07:06:30] <klys> co1or, would you mind reinstalling?
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761[07:07:21] <co1or> ((and even if they dont come WITH the
default installation, they are probably easily downloaded via
"apt-get install" or some such similar method.)
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762[07:07:33] <wawowe> sfphlehardy: ok, go ahead with the next
part
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763[07:07:45] <sfphlehardy> ok wawowe
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765[07:08:27] <co1or> klys: i will probably burn a live cd
first, to test the waters. then do a seperate partition install, so
i can keep my existing OS.
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766[07:08:38] <klys> co1or, if you have room, I suggest starting
by getting a simple enough debian system in a chroot, and then
swapping out mint
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767[07:08:52] <co1or> dunno what chroot is
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768[07:09:05] <co1or> i can look it up tho
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769[07:09:12] * co1or looks it up...
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771[07:12:10] <klys> co1or, another tool worth looking up, while
you're at it, is debootstrap
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775[07:13:17] <co1or> ok i just looked up chroot. apparently, it
"tricks" a program into thinking that the root directory
is somewhere else? correct? (like sandboxing?)
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776[07:13:23] <klys> yes
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777[07:13:44] <co1or> so i would be "tricking" what
exactly? the DEbian INSTALLER?
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778[07:13:45] <klys> and you can build a basic system in a
chroot with complete commandline functionality.
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779[07:14:17] <klys> and to install, I suggest using the
debootstrap tool, pointing it to your new root directory.
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781[07:15:15] <sfplehardy> wawowe you rock !!!
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782[07:15:23] <sfplehardy> Thank you so much
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783[07:15:38] <sfplehardy> But why it happened???
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785[07:15:54] <co1or> imma look up "debootstrap"... so
i would be using chroot to make Debian's installer BELIEVE
it's installing to "/", but its actually installing
to "/my/arbitrary/folder"???
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786[07:16:03] <klys> yes
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787[07:16:09] <co1or> klys: ok
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788[07:16:11] <co1or> thx
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791[07:17:00] <sfplehardy> Me, wife and our 5 kids we thank you
wawowe, trek00 as well ! Thanks
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792[07:18:24] <co1or> just to make certain i understand, chroot
is only "SIMILAR" to a sandbox. it only protects against
accidents, NOT "malice", CORRECT? (afterall, a program
that *TRULY* wants to "see" the "real, true"
file structure could still do so, if it were coded to do so, right?
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793[07:18:40] <klys> right-o
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794[07:18:52] <co1or> klys'kay thx
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796[07:20:54] <co1or> klys: last question before i do it: what
is the *biggest* or *most important* difference between Debian and a
Debian-BASED distro?
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797[07:21:17] <co1or> the apps? desktop environment?
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798[07:21:37] <klys> co1or, probably the desktop environment.
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799[07:21:59] <klys> co1or, there are other important
differences, though.
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800[07:22:23] <klys> systemd is one
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802[07:23:23] <co1or> ok. LinuxMint ships with Mate by default.
Ive been using Linux for about 30 days now. So far, Im in love with
Mate. (I HATE Ubuntu's newer
"gnome3/Unity/whatever-its-called" desktop.)
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806[07:25:16] <klys> co1or, let us know when you're ready
to step in and install more packages.
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808[07:25:32] <co1or> ive read about systemd online and asked a
few ppl about it as well. im stiil a lil bit confused about what
systemd is, tho.
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809[07:25:48] <co1or> is it between the kernel and the shell?
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811[07:26:01] <co1or> or between the kernel and the GNU progs?
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812[07:26:01] <klys> co1or, I could try and explain it with a
history lesson...
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814[07:26:11] <co1or> ok
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815[07:26:36] <klys> originally, gnu systems booted with scripts
via systemd. the /etc/inittab regulated the whole boot process.
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816[07:26:41] <wawowe> sfplehardy: You can edit the /boot/efi
line in /etc/fstab to have the options: noauto,umask=0077 to help
prevent corruption in the future
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817[07:27:11] <klys> now, systemd has taken over the boot
process, largely because we thought it was too slow to run in a
single thread.
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818[07:28:23] <klys> systemd is very complex, and if you want to
install a boot-time script, you can do so with a "unit
file" in /etc/systemd/system/ which contains a few stanzas of
info and points to your script.
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819[07:29:00] <klys> most boot-time init scripts are stored in
/etc/init.d/ with symlinks to aid sysvinit in /etc/rc?.d/
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820[07:29:36] * co1or following you the best i can...
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821[07:29:50] * co1or listens attentively
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822[07:29:55] <klys> systemd is replacing that, though, and
you'll find evidence of it in /etc/systemd, /lib/systemd, and
maybe a few other places.
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823[07:30:21] <klys> sysvinit was a very simple program, one
that insisted on being started at PID 1
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824[07:30:38] <klys> systemd replaces /sbin/init and runs as PID
1.
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825[07:30:44] <diogenes_> klys, you mean originally GNU systems
booted with scripts via sysVinit and not systemd?
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826[07:30:57] <klys> diogenes_, yes
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827[07:31:16] <klys> oh I made that typo, I will correct.
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829[07:31:26] <klys> originally, gnu systems booted with scripts
via sysvinit. the /etc/inittab regulated the whole boot process.
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831[07:31:43] <co1or> klys: hmmmm. so is it related in some
fashion to SystemV? or are the 2 names only co-incidentally similar?
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833[07:32:06] <klys> co1or, yes, system v unix was the source of
many elements of the posix standards.
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834[07:32:12] <co1or> is it meant to REPLACE it?
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836[07:32:28] <klys> yes, it fully replaces the sysvinit-core
package
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837[07:32:58] <co1or> okay... i can feel my understanding
increasing...
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838[07:33:04] <klys> and allows you to boot in parallel with
several things being started according to a pattern of
prerequisites.
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840[07:33:33] <co1or> so system V is "system five"? as
in UNIX version five?
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842[07:33:41] <klys> co1or, yes. got it?
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843[07:33:53] <co1or> klys: starting to.
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844[07:35:30] <co1or> so do gnu/linux systems use any actual
source code or binaries from Unix? (especially UNIX system V?)
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846[07:36:44] <klys> co1or, the source code for unix was kept
back by SCO for some years. GNU grep was a complete replacement of
Unix grep, for example. it was later released for viewing a decade
ago. well, Unix is now called openindiana, near as I can tell.
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848[07:39:02] <co1or> so proprietary UNIX is no more?
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849[07:39:13] <klys> co1or, the gnu project, (gnu's not
unix) and the free software foundation are excellent reads for this
topic.
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850[07:39:44] <klys> it's "open-source" and there
are always several proprietary Unices available.
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851[07:40:27] <co1or> ok. i dont wanna ask too much questions at
one time. thank you for answering
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852[07:40:28] <klys> if you want to talk about proprietary
posix-level systems, you may bo looking at Mac OS X.
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853[07:40:47] <klys> be*
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854[07:40:50] <sfplehardy> Okay wawowe thank you
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855[07:40:58] <co1or> oh no. I DONT wanna use proprietary
systems unless forced to
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856[07:41:09] <co1or> at gunpoint
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857[07:41:17] <co1or> lol
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858[07:41:47] <klys> co1or, like I said, read at the fsf.org and
gnu.org sites. read the GPL v2 and v3. look at the AGPL and make
sure you know the basic differences.
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859[07:42:07] <co1or> alright
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862[07:42:33] <trek00> :)
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863[07:42:39] <co1or> ive already read a little bit on gnu.org
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864[07:42:43] <co1or> before.
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865[07:42:51] <co1or> but i will further research.
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866[07:42:56] * co1or researches...
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867[07:43:09] <trek00> co1or: check the link :)
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870[07:43:55] <co1or> i already had that diagram.
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871[07:44:07] <co1or> before u posted it.
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872[07:44:24] <co1or> but as a newbie theres a lot im still not
completely understanding
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1044[09:37:46] <if_e1se_> is there any way to let apt install
show install packages like list format with each package end a line
break ?
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1046[09:39:33] <if_e1se_> `apt install` default show install
packages with line mode. I want to find a way to show install
package show like list mode.
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1051[09:41:29] <ratrace> if_e1se_: maybe with -V that includes
version
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1055[09:42:26] <ayew> -V will show you version, but it will not
include repo or arch like apt list does
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1056[09:42:49] <ratrace> I think they just want more readable
output with one package per line
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1057[09:42:59] <ratrace> I want that to, so I always use -V
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1058[09:43:08] <ratrace> *too
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1059[09:43:15] <if_e1se_> ratrace: thanks, `-V` show it with line
list mode with package version.
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1061[09:43:36] <wxb> Hi. Well, I'm still in the process of
trying to dual boot Windows (unencrypted) and Debian 10 (LUKS).
Having some issues, and worries. I god the firmware iso and even
with that the Debian install is telling me that it can't
contect to internet... what could be going on?
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1066[09:45:22] <wxb> I think it's a DHCP issue
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1068[09:47:15] <wxb> 'Network autoconfiguration failed'
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1070[09:47:53] <wxb> 'Your network is probably not using the
DHCP protocol. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some
network hardware is not working properly.'
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1071[09:48:06] <wxb> Does this mean that I can wave wifi on this
machine goodbye?
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1072[09:48:51] <RoyK> what sort of computer?
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1074[09:48:54] <wxb> HP
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1075[09:49:04] <wxb> I'll try to find the model.
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1076[09:49:25] <RoyK> EliteBook 725/745?
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1077[09:50:26] <wxb> HP Notebook, product number Y0V00EA#ABF
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1081[09:51:33] <RoyK> wxb: no idea which one that is - they
usually don't have that long model names. I just thought about
an issue I came across
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1083[09:53:18] <Fox> looks like it's HP Notebook 14-am012nf
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1084[09:53:39] <wxb> Fox, How'd you find that out?
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1089[09:55:59] <wxb> So it's just some random no name HP??
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1094[09:57:07] <Fox> wxb: I asked google, does it look like that
?
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1098[09:57:46] <RoyK> wxb: anyway - try intremap=off
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1099[09:58:00] <wxb> fox I think so!
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1100[09:58:18] <wxb> wxb, Where, in the install process?
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1101[09:58:39] <RoyK> kernel boot option
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1102[09:58:51] <wxb> RoyK, in the install menu?
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1104[09:59:04] <ratrace> wxb: grub kernel command line
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1105[09:59:16] <wxb> I haven't installed it yet...
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1107[09:59:37] <ratrace> wxb: is there no grub menu for the
installer iso you're booting from?
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1109[09:59:51] <wxb> GRub menu, advanced options...
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1110[10:00:07] <wxb> expert install?
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1111[10:00:12] <wxb> (lol expert for me)
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1112[10:00:25] <wxb> or just grub command line?
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1113[10:00:29] <ratrace> wxb: is there a grub menu for the
installer iso you're booting from?
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1115[10:00:37] <wxb> ratrace, Yes.
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1116[10:00:42] <wxb> So I hit 'c'
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1117[10:00:53] <wxb> now I see grub>
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1118[10:01:03] <wxb> I should enter your command RoyK
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1119[10:01:04] <wxb> ?
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1120[10:01:17] <ratrace> wxb: ok, so when the menu appears, hit
'e', scroll down to the line starting with linux /vmlinuz
... and append to it intremap=off and hit F10 to continue booting
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1122[10:01:48] <ratrace> (I don't know if that option will
fix it, just telling you where/how to set kernel command line
options)
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1124[10:02:05] <wxb> ratrace, Thanks.
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1125[10:02:11] <ratrace> wxb: also, patience. give people time to
type up a response at least lol
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1126[10:02:11] <wxb> RoyK, In grub then?
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1127[10:02:21] <wxb> ratrace, oops sorry lol
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1128[10:02:26] <RoyK> yes
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1129[10:02:31] <wxb> RoyK, thanks
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1131[10:03:30] <wxb> Okay, I typed intremap=off in, hit enter and
now I get a new grub> line. So I'll exit back to the install
menu?
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1134[10:04:58] <ratrace> wxb: are you capable of following
written instructions? I said hit 'e', not 'c'
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1138[10:05:26] <wxb> ratrace, apparently not. Let me change that!
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1143[10:07:18] <wxb> Okay.... we're in....
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1144[10:07:25] <wxb> loading...
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1148[10:08:40] <wxb> And... same error message.
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1150[10:08:44] <wxb> Hmmm.
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1153[10:10:35] <wxb> My concern is that if I install this, the
wifi won't even work. Even with the firmware image it has
issues...
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1154[10:12:05] <RoyK> do you have an ethernet port on this?
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1155[10:12:18] <RoyK> if so - use wired networking for the
install and try to fix wifi later
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1156[10:13:12] <wxb> RoyK, There is a ethernet port, but I have
no access to ethernet.
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1157[10:13:40] <wxb> What kind of solution could exist though? If
there is no driver, there is no solution, no?
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1158[10:13:41] <ratrace> any electronics store nearby where you
could buy one of them cheap wifi usb sticks?
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1161[10:14:09] <wxb> ratrace, this is for a friend, and they
wouldn't be fine with that...
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1162[10:14:29] <ratrace> wxb: well at least to attempt
installation and see if you can fix the built-in wifi later
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1163[10:14:39] <wxb> I'm trying to introduce him to linux,
so that would be a bad image....
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1164[10:14:41] <ratrace> those things cost a few bucks, no loss
even if you can't do anything with it
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1165[10:15:37] <wxb> ratrace, RoyK But what would this solution
entail? Why is the firmware iso not working? What else can one
actually do?
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1166[10:15:46] <ratrace> wxb: yea there's a reason "the
year of the linux desktop" never happen and never will happen
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1167[10:16:03] <wxb> for shit like this lol
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1168[10:16:29] <ratrace> wxb: I'm not sure how much freedom
you've got in that installer, but maybe you can Alt-Fx (say,
F2) to another TTY and try some debugging via dmesg, cryptsetup
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1170[10:17:31] <wrksx> Mornin guys
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1171[10:17:33] <Kyros> Do you know the exact chipset of the wifi
adapter uses?
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1172[10:17:51] <ratrace> dmesg would contain hints
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1173[10:17:55] <wxb> Kyros, No, how could I find that out?
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1175[10:18:03] <wrksx> I'm tryin to move a user's home
but I cannot because a proces uses the user.
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1176[10:18:04] <wxb> with dmesg, okay.
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1177[10:18:17] <wrksx> usermod: user <username> is
currently used by process 29945
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1178[10:18:32] <Kyros> If you can figure out the chipset you
might be able to download the needed firmware and install it offline
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1179[10:18:33] <wrksx> that process is /lib/systemd/systemd
--user
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1180[10:19:00] <ratrace> wrksx: is that the user you're
currently logged in as?
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1181[10:19:02] <wxb> Kyros, Good point. But why is said firmware
not in the firmware iso...
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1182[10:19:25] <wrksx> ratrace: no it's not, but I've
been using it
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1183[10:19:32] <wrksx> I logged out
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1185[10:19:52] <Kyros> I dont know exactly. Is all of the stuff
from non-free and contrib on that iso?
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1186[10:20:35] <ratrace> wrksx: well, I'm not sure
what's going on then, if the user is not logged in AS,
anywhere. you can always reboot into console mode, log in as root,
and reconfigure the system in peace :)
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1189[10:20:52] <wxb> nope, not access to tty in the installer
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1191[10:21:01] <wrksx> ratrace: is there a way to check for
logged in users?
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1192[10:21:05] <ratrace> I'm assuming your login/display
manager is keeping up a session alive somehow
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1194[10:21:29] <ratrace> wrksx: you can run `who` from a terminal
or alternative TTY
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1195[10:21:30] <wrksx> 1 29945 29945 29945 ? -1 Ss 108 0:00
/lib/systemd/systemd --user
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1196[10:21:30] <wrksx> 29945 29946 29945 29945 ? -1 S 108 0:00 \_
(sd-pam)
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1197[10:22:09] <wrksx> The user is not logged in
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1198[10:22:38] <Kyros> You know it's possible that the iso
has the firmware but you need to actually install it.
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1199[10:23:33] <wrksx> ratrace: actually that's a server, I
wouldn't be happy to reboot it
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1200[10:23:47] <ratrace> wrksx: I'd reboot and login as
root, never touching that user login, I'm guessing maybe a
previous user session is keeping something attached to that
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1201[10:24:24] <wrksx> The blocking process is 29945 can I check
what it's doin?
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1202[10:24:55] <wxb> Kyros, Interesting. Good point.
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1204[10:25:18] <wxb> Kyros, That would seem kinda weird though.
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1205[10:25:54] <wxb> RoyK, Is that wiki your site. Cool!
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1212[10:26:47] <ratrace> wrksx: lsof -p 29945 will show you open
file handles for the process
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1214[10:27:36] <wrksx> ratrace: I made an sshfs that weirdly
failed yesterday, maybe that's from that
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1215[10:28:06] <wrksx> ratrace: thanks, lsof offers no more clues
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1216[10:28:09] <ratrace> wrksx: though that's sd-pam, the
systemd-pam integration thingy, from what I read around it's
possible it'll remain active even after the user logout
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1217[10:28:29] <wrksx> Oh really, that' unconvenient
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1223[10:29:21] <Ede|Popede> wrksx: got 2 of them, htop says
"/lib/systemd/systemd (deleted)" -- should be because of
update with no reboot (or restart) happening since
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1224[10:29:30] <ratrace> wrksx: maybe you can kill it
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1225[10:29:44] <wxb> pkill!!
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1226[10:30:08] <ratrace> no, I'd use regular kill with -p
and snipe that pid only
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1228[10:30:25] <Ede|Popede> or have som fun with psdoom ;)
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1233[10:31:43] <Ede|Popede> btw, i found both ibus and systemd
--user keeping processes running for me after logout (which i
usually don't do)
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1234[10:31:54] <wrksx> ratrace: I finally found it, had *another*
sshfs mount lying around somewhere... Stupid me.
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1235[10:32:03] <ratrace> there you go.
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1236[10:32:04] <wrksx> Those things are hard to track
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1238[10:32:21] <ratrace> wrksx: yeah, I forgot to mention to try
lsof with -u
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1242[10:33:47] <wrksx> ratrace: I tried the man, but I
didn't really get what -u doas...
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1247[10:35:05] <ratrace> wrksx: shows open file handles that
belong to given UID
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1248[10:35:43] <wrksx> ratrace: Oh right, as oposed to PID,
that's cool to know thanks.
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1252[10:38:17] <RoyK> wxb: perhaps swearing in church now, but
sometimes Ubuntu comes with newer driver versions than those in
Debian. I generally prefer Debian, but on some laptops etc, I still
stick to Ubuntu, since it's more focused on the "new and
shiny" as opposed to "shiny enough and stable"
approach of Debian
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1254[10:39:02] <wxb> RoyK, Cool. Thanks for the pragmatic advice!
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1255[10:39:21] <ratrace> it's not just that, Ubuntu often
does kernel patches and drivers that are not available elsewhere,
not even in the latest and greatest, still hot from the oven, just
released Debian.
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1256[10:39:44] <ratrace> that's also a double edged sword,
wrt the said stability.
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1257[10:40:30] <wxb> ratrace, Hmmmm.
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1259[10:41:14] <ratrace> wxb: might be worth a try with their
ISO. I'd recommend LTS at any rate even if it's almost 2
years old now
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1261[10:42:36] <wxb> ratrace, I'm actually in the process of
testing with Puppy linux just to see if it is a Debian issue.
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1265[10:43:34] <strk> how do I pass Dpkg::Progress=0 to an
apt-get install call ?
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1267[10:45:38] <ratrace> strk: with -o Dpkg::Progress=0 methinks
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1270[10:48:35] <wxb> ... deeper down the rabbit hole....
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1272[10:50:18] <wxb> It's rassuring to know that installing
Debian is never a smooth process.
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1273[10:51:28] <ratrace> used to be
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1275[10:51:41] <wxb> what changed?
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1276[10:51:58] <ratrace> software in general got bloatier and
buggier and of lower quality
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1277[10:52:32] <Habbie> i've always felt that d-i was just
the price of admission, a huge hurdle to take, to get to a very nice
system to run
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1278[10:52:39] <Habbie> i also feel it's gotten better over
the years
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1279[10:52:56] <ratrace> was quite surprised to see that after
years of reliable booting Debian, Stretch failed to boot after
installation due to nouveau having issues with my (rather old at
that point) nvidia
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1280[10:53:08] <Habbie> except when there's hardware
involved, yes
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1281[10:53:17] <wxb> Habbie, I get that feeling. Once it's
installed, it's great, but getting there is absolute 'no I
have nothing else to do in life' time-hole hell.
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1282[10:53:26] <ratrace> and I mean hard boot blocker, not just a
hickup. required rebooting to console and installing the proprietary
driver
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1283[10:53:41] <annadane> people should also stop supporting
nvidia
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1284[10:54:04] <ratrace> annadane: true and I'm aiming at
full upgrade to AMD from intelvidia.
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1285[10:54:27] <ratrace> but ironically... for years, nvidia
meant stable GPU on Linux, at least with the proprietary driver and
what sorry state AMD was before they went full FOSS
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1286[10:54:31] <annadane> same i just don't know if what i
end up getting is too new for buster
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1287[10:54:56] <ratrace> back in 2006, when I weened myself off
from windows, a nvidia based laptop with atheros wifi was pretty
much the only thing that would work
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1288[10:55:05] <annadane> yeah, well, that's typically the
case - company x is initially the best thing to use, then they get
greedy and subvert their original principles and voila, you have
vendor lockin
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1293[10:56:35] <wrksx> I'm tryin to follow your conversation
here, but i don't get the issue really. Is it that vendors
don't provide drivers at all, that drivers are closed source,
or something else?
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1294[10:56:39] <ratrace> annadane: well I can safely say that so
far I never had issues with the proprietary nvidia driver, exclusing
the "does not work with wayland compositors" mega-issue,
and ONE time when gnome upgraded on ubuntu and hit a bug with the
proprietary driver, years ago
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1297[10:57:13] <ratrace> wrksx: all of the above
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1301[10:58:29] <strk> can Dpkg options be set with an env
variable instead of commandline options ?
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1303[10:58:44] <strk> for Dpkg::Progress (I"d have to pass
it around to a few commands otherwise)
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1306[10:59:02] <ratrace> strk: they can be set via
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ files
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1308[10:59:12] <strk> I'd rather not write to disk
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1309[10:59:21] <strk> and change other users setups
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1310[10:59:28] <ratrace> then I have no idea
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1311[10:59:57] <annadane> wrksx, from my limited knowledge the
issue isn't just that it's closed source but that nvidia
firmware signs their card cryptographically so it's even harder
for nouveau to get access... or something
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1313[11:00:34] <wxb> I should choose ext4 for the new partition
for Debian?
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1315[11:00:42] <annadane> my first ever linux experience was
using KDE with nouveau and having it constantly freeze... it's
fun to think you're the one to blame rather than a graphics
company being hostile to open source
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1316[11:01:01] <ratrace> strk: alias it or script a custom apt
call for yourself
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1321[11:01:25] <ratrace> wxb: it's a good default unless you
know you want or need another fs
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1322[11:01:31] <wrksx> Okay so sometimes no drivers, when you
have a driver it's closed src and on top of that it's as
locked as possible with the hardware.
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1324[11:01:50] <ratrace> wrksx: also many drivers are fossy and
quite reliable
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1328[11:02:38] <wrksx> ratrace: are you talking about drivers
written by the community?
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1329[11:02:39] <ratrace> intel, atheros, amd, and in my
experience realtek always worked fine. there's firmware for
realtek tho
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1332[11:02:59] <ratrace> wrksx: not just community. intel and amd
for example are fully open sourcing their drivers
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1334[11:03:27] <wrksx> ratrace: wow that's cool... What
about AMD, you mentionned they were going foss?
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1335[11:03:34] <wrksx> sorry scratch that
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1336[11:03:35] <wrksx> =)
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1338[11:03:43] <ratrace> wrksx: the amdgpu driver is theirs, they
opened it and it got mainlined
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1339[11:04:07] <wrksx> mainlined? sorry I don't now what
that means
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1340[11:04:11] <if_e1se_> which config could change `apt install`
default confirm prompt from `[Y/n]` to `[y/N]` ?
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1342[11:04:33] <ratrace> wrksx: accepted into the main kernel
tree, as opposed to being an "out of tree" module that you
then have to rebuild on each kernel update separately
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1344[11:05:21] <wrksx> ratrace: so you're sain AMD gpu
drivers are embed into the linux kernel, is that right?
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1345[11:05:40] <ratrace> if_e1se_: --assume-no ?
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1349[11:05:46] <ratrace> if_e1se_: oh no, wait, that's not
what you asked
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1350[11:05:53] <ratrace> wrksx: yes
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1351[11:06:17] <ratrace> wrksx: part of the main source tree, so
always up to date with kernel ABI changes
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1352[11:06:23] <if_e1se_> ratrace: `--assume-no` would exit
without any confirm
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1354[11:06:33] <ratrace> primary problem with out of tree modules
is ABI compatibility.
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1355[11:06:38] <ratrace> if_e1se_: yes, my bad, sorry
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1358[11:07:27] <wrksx> ratrace: That's freakin cool
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1361[11:08:05] <ratrace> wrksx: one of two main reasons why
I'm switching to full AMD hardware. the other is
spectre/meltdown and intel's douche-y behavior around it
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1362[11:08:23] <annadane> yep, AMD deserves our dollars
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1365[11:08:33] <annadane> though i've had discussions with
intel apologists
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1367[11:09:01] <wrksx> I just went back to AMD after 10 years
off, new build from last month. Awesome
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1368[11:09:28] <wxb> annadane, What about with intel apologisers?
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1375[11:11:28] <ratrace> wrksx: it'll be 5 years for me. :)
I switched away from Phenom to i5 MONTHS before ryzen was announced.
If I only knew they were gonna raise from the ashes like that,
I'd never do it.
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1377[11:11:59] <annadane> wxb i can't really be more
specific
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1378[11:12:12] <annadane> it was just like, oh no intel is good
because of this amd is bad because of tha
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1379[11:12:12] <annadane> t
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1380[11:12:26] <wrksx> ratrace: no luck
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1381[11:12:29] <wxb> I see.
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1382[11:12:39] <wxb> wrksx, Me neither. Today is cursed.
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1383[11:12:57] <wrksx> wxb: you neither what?
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1384[11:13:05] <ratrace> wrksx: maybe it's luck in disguise.
first edition ryzens had some peculiar bugs.
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1385[11:13:11] <wxb> wrksx, luck
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1387[11:13:38] <wrksx> ratrace: haha indeed, I didn't
switched at the first gen either
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1390[11:13:58] <wrksx> wxb: you mean you bought a brand new
nvidia gpu?
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1392[11:14:08] <annadane> more than anything else i'm pretty
sure my nvidia card stops being supported in 'mainline'
and becomes 'legacy' when buster switches to bullseye
so... great time to get off nvidia
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1394[11:14:19] <ratrace> wrksx: would've bitten me hard, as
at that time I was fully a gentooligan and the bug affected gentoo
systems (or any cpu heavy workload, like compiling is)
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1395[11:14:52] <wrksx> gentooligan lol
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1396[11:14:56] <ratrace> :)
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1400[11:15:32] <annadane> time to start my AMD research, i can
probably just buy a decently old ryzen now so it's guaranteed
supported in bullseye
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1401[11:15:33] <wxb> wrksx, Nope. Different problem. Same absence
of luck. lol
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1402[11:16:21] <ratrace> annadane: I'm waiting for ryzen2
bugs to surface, if any, get fixed, and then it's upgrade time
for me! :)
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1403[11:17:35] <annadane> which unrelatedly, speaking of
companies doing stupid things, the recommendation for linux laptop
users has typically been thinkpads, right? thinkpads are owned by
lenovo... who were responsible for the superfish thing
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1404[11:17:46] <annadane> so um... yeah, not supporting that
company with my money, either
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1406[11:18:19] <annadane> s/owned by/made by
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1407[11:18:32] <ratrace> annadane: precisely. though methinks
thinkpad got hyped when it was just IBM, and the rest is just
inertia. I never owned a thinkpad and never had an issue with any
laptop I had.
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1409[11:18:55] <ratrace> I mean back then it was really one of
the rare JustWorks(tm) platforms, but nowadays it's not
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1410[11:19:08] <annadane> linux you mean?
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1411[11:19:13] <Kats99> So I installed Nvidia drivers and it
didn't work out...the X server doesn't start so I
installed it but when I purge Nvidia it shows a lot of files related
to Nvidia saying package Nvidia 390 not installed so not removed.
What should I do to remove them?
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1412[11:19:17] <ratrace> annadane: yes of course :)
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1413[11:19:28] <annadane> great timing, kats :P
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1414[11:19:45] <Kats99> Oh u have the same problem
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1415[11:19:53] <annadane> no, we were just cursing out nvidia
generally
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1416[11:19:58] <Kats99> Pls help me. I don't want to
reinstall Debian
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1417[11:20:02] <ratrace> annadane: I've been "Linux
only" since 2006, with a brief exception of some short dual
booting with win for steam games, but that ended quickly.
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1418[11:20:29] <Kats99> The packages aren't installed but
they exist somewhere and I want to remove them
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1419[11:20:42] <ratrace> Kats99: "installed nvidia
drivers" how?
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1421[11:20:49] <towo^work> Kats99, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
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1423[11:21:16] <towo^work> Kats99, and if you have used the
installer from the nvidia website, have fun
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1424[11:21:29] <Kats99> I didn't install from the website
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1425[11:21:56] <Kats99> I installed Nvidia legacy 390xx driver
from the repo
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1426[11:21:58] <Kats99> Non free
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1428[11:22:15] <wxb> [over three hours in and still no end if
sight... gotta love it...]
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1429[11:22:24] <ratrace> Kats99: please show the output of that
dpkg command towo^work suggested
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1430[11:22:28] <ratrace> wrksx: end of what?
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1431[11:22:33] <Kats99> No output
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1432[11:22:35] <wrksx> ratrace: I wonder
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1433[11:22:46] <wrksx> =) wxb
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1435[11:22:54] <towo^work> Kats99, and where xou gat the message
about nvidia?
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1436[11:23:03] <ratrace> wrksx: lol :)
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1437[11:23:06] <ratrace> wxb: end of what?
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1438[11:23:14] <wxb> oh the whole dual-boot thing.
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1439[11:23:16] <Kats99> When I type apt-get purge Nvidia*
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1440[11:23:22] <wxb> It all seemed so simple yesterday.
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1441[11:23:25] <towo^work> Kats99, and you wonder?
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1442[11:23:40] <towo^work> Kats99, you can't purge packages,
which are not installed
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1443[11:23:40] <Kats99> What about it?
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1444[11:23:41] <wxb> Right now I'm still at partitioning the
SSD.
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1445[11:23:51] <Kats99> I even tried remove
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1446[11:23:57] <ratrace> Kats99: so wait, what nvidia files are
still around?
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1447[11:24:01] <wxb> And have little hope for a working wifi.
Alas. The price is great to leave windows.
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1448[11:24:02] <Kats99> Yes
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1449[11:24:09] <Kats99> Wait
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1450[11:24:22] <wrksx> wxb: you're on a laptop I guess
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1451[11:24:39] <Kats99> There are so many of them but they all
are like nvidia-legacy-390xx
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1452[11:24:54] <ratrace> wxb: I'd suggest trying the Ubuntu
live ISO, no need to install anything. if that works, I'd then
hunt down the driver used in ubuntu and check if it's a SAUCE
thing (kerlen patches done in Ubuntu exclusively, not yet
upstreamed), or if it's a regular driver available in Debian
somehow
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1453[11:25:19] <wrksx> New screen just arrived, time for some
pleasant (I hope!) unboxing
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1454[11:25:28] <ratrace> Kats99: wait... what are you talking
about? if dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows no output, you don't have
any packages installed
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1456[11:25:50] <Kats99> But why does it still show package not
installed so not removed
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1457[11:26:16] <ratrace> Kats99: what do you mean still.... you
said you purged it, so yeah, it's now gone?
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1458[11:26:22] <Kats99> That means it still hasn't opened
those packages. They still occupy space
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1459[11:26:25] <wrksx> Mint seems to work quite well with recent
hardware, I've been told
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1461[11:26:39] <wxb> This machine is a few years old I think.
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1462[11:26:50] <ratrace> Kats99: oh.... when you do glob for apt
like nvidia* it actually does a pattern match against all names in
the db, and naturally will tell you that because it found packages
that match the pattern but aren't installed
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1463[11:27:10] <wrksx> seeu guys later
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1464[11:27:11] <ratrace> Kats99: in reality, you should very
rarely use * glob for apt
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1466[11:27:29] <Kats99> Oh... I see...that's what it is
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1467[11:27:55] <Kats99> Could you give me another package I could
test this
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1468[11:28:03] <Kats99> With the glob
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1469[11:28:16] <Kats99> So that it shows package not installed so
not removed
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1471[11:28:18] <ratrace> Kats99: test what exactly?
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1472[11:28:34] <Kats99> To see it's not related to Nvidia
only
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1473[11:29:16] <Kats99> For example apt get purge abc* where I
get the output as package abc not installed so not removed
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1475[11:29:25] <ratrace> Kats99: yes I just explained to you why
it does that
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1476[11:29:49] <Kats99> Yea I understood..but do u happen to know
other packages like that?
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1477[11:30:11] <Kats99> Ok ok I got it
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1478[11:30:12] <ratrace> Kats99: I'm sorry you're NOT
making any sense at all
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1479[11:30:20] <Kats99> I tested libre*
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1480[11:30:37] <Kats99> Yea..I know
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1481[11:30:43] <ratrace> Kats99: so back to square one. dpkg -l |
grep nvidia shows no output, meaning no nvidia proprietary driver is
installed. You rebooted..... and now you have what symptoms?
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1483[11:31:04] <Kats99> None..the glob was the problem here
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1484[11:31:13] <ratrace> with no nvidia proprietary installed,
the kernel module nouveau (the FOSS nvidia driver) will be used
automatically, unless you manually blacklisted it
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1485[11:31:21] <ratrace> Kats99: no you mentioned somethign with
xorg
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1486[11:31:59] <ratrace> Kats99: unless it all works fine with
nouveau and you just had an issue with understanding apt's
behavior with globs?
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1487[11:32:00] <Kats99> Yea I typed nvidia-xconfig and restarted
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1488[11:32:07] <Kats99> But then it didn't start at all
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1490[11:32:16] <Kats99> Yes
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1492[11:32:50] <ratrace> Kats99: I'd remove any nvidia
configs that xconfig did, and reboot into plain nouveau, no forced
config mode, see if that works. In general, a xorg.conf is NOT
needed these days unless you need to change a specific defautl
behavior
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1493[11:33:33] <Kats99> Yep I did just as u mentioned..no xorg
file...and using nouveau
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1494[11:33:50] <ratrace> Kats99: and the symptoms now are.... ?
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1495[11:34:00] <Kats99> None as I said
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1496[11:34:15] <Kats99> But I wished to use Nvidia drivers but
they aren't working
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1497[11:34:32] <ratrace> Kats99: okay. what's the GPU model
you have there?
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1498[11:34:44] <Kats99> Geforce 525
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1499[11:36:00] <Kats99> It asks me to install 390xx drivers
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1500[11:36:06] <ratrace> Kats99: which debian you have there?
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1501[11:36:11] <Kats99> 10
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1502[11:37:05] <Kats99> But when I install the 390 drivers
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1503[11:37:13] <Kats99> It asks me to run xconfig
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1504[11:37:17] <Kats99> And reboot
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1505[11:37:28] <Kats99> But when I restart the screen stats blank
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1506[11:37:36] <ratrace> Kats99: so you installed the
"nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-390xx" package?
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1507[11:37:58] <Kats99> Correct
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1509[11:39:12] <Kats99> I installed and removed them for 5
times..waste of data
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1510[11:39:57] <ratrace> Kats99: it'd be very helpful to
provide the dmesg dump and /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin, for
the boot session with those drivers, that doesn't start x
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1512[11:41:31] <Kats99> So I should install Nvidia drivers again?
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1522[11:42:42] <Kats99> I can give you the xorg log
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1523[11:42:50] <Kats99> Whaaaa
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1524[11:43:01] <Kats99> Too many disconnections
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1525[11:43:06] <ratrace> Kats99: yes, please pastebin the xorg
log for the session with the legacy driver that didn't work
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1527[11:43:32] <strk> how to pass options directly to dpkg
(Dpkg::Use-Pty=0) ?
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1528[11:43:44] <Kats99> Ok hold on
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1530[11:44:58] <strk> -o is not supported by dpkg
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1539[11:48:09] <Kats99> ratrace: pastebin.com/J7GYxtq8
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1544[11:49:57] <towo^work> Kats99, you have not told, that your
system is a notebook with hybrid graphics, aka Optimus
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1545[11:49:57] <Kats99> So?
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1546[11:50:06] <Kats99> What???
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1547[11:50:22] <Kats99> I didn't know about that..
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1549[11:50:45] <Kats99> Back in Ubuntu.. I didn't install
anything that had to do with optimus
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1550[11:50:56] <towo^work> ubuntu is not debian
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1551[11:51:16] <towo^work> lspci | egrep -i
"3d|display|vga" is saying what?
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1560[11:52:35] <Kats99> Intel corp 2 gen integrated graphics and
Nvidia corp GF108 M Geforce GT 525m
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1562[11:52:45] <towo^work> OED
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1563[11:52:54] <towo^work> QED
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1564[11:53:01] <Kats99> ?
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1565[11:53:12] <towo^work> qued erum demonstrantum
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1566[11:53:26] <Kats99> I don't speak Latin
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1567[11:53:30] <annadane> be careful to avoid zebra crossings
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1568[11:53:36] <towo^work> so it's absolute normal you get a
black screen if you install nvidia-driver blob
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1569[11:54:08] <Kats99> Oh
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1570[11:54:25] <Kats99> So how can I install the driver now?
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1571[11:54:35] <towo^work> Kats99, now you have 2 choices, leave
it, as it is now or read the debian wiki about hybrid graphics
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1572[11:54:51] <Kats99> Is there an absolute necessity to install
Nvidia?
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1573[11:54:56] <towo^work> no
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1574[11:55:11] <Kats99> Because in Ubuntu it crashed a lot
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1575[11:55:20] <Kats99> I'm a bit scared that's all
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1577[11:55:22] <towo^work> since that ncidia chipset is not
really a rocket
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1578[11:55:22] <themill> s/erum/erat/
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1580[11:55:40] <annadane> quad erat demonstratum, i think
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1583[11:56:05] <towo^work> Kats99, of your bios can decativate
the dgpu at all, i would do that
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1584[11:56:08] <themill> #debian, focusing on the important
things
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1585[11:56:21] <wasamasa> quod erat demonstrandum
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1586[11:56:24] <Fox> "quod erat demonstrandum" is the
right one
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1588[11:56:27] <wasamasa> clearly none of you had latin in school
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1589[11:56:31] <ratrace> Kats99: it's not necessary to
install nvidia at all. You said nouveau was working fine, so just
use that then.
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1590[11:56:36] <annadane> we all fail.
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1591[11:56:43] <towo^work> it does not use nouveau at all
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1592[11:56:44] * themill did which is why he corrected it.
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1593[11:56:50] <Fox> I had, but in french we say CQFD, not QED :)
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1594[11:56:52] <towo^work> it is using the intel chipset
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1595[11:56:53] <ratrace> Or was that intel then, given it's
optimus, it could've been intel --- what I mean, revert to
having no nvidia driver installed :)
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1596[11:57:18] <Kats99> Idk if my bios would allow that
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1597[11:57:28] <ratrace> towo^work: yes I see that now, back then
they did not mention a peep about it being hybrid
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1598[11:57:48] <ratrace> Kats99: allow what? you said it worked
fine.......
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1599[11:58:05] <themill> (also …dum not …tum)
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1600[11:58:27] <ratrace> i'm gonna start charging for every
minute lost to trying to REparse, multiple times, what suportees are
trying to say
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1602[11:58:42] <Kats99> Yes. I said that to them tomowork that if
my bios allowed me to deactivate the Nvidia gpu then I wud
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1604[11:59:26] <ratrace> Kats99: again... you said running with
no nvidia drivre installer worked? Is that correct (4€ so far
owed)
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1606[12:00:06] <Kats99> Hey!!
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1607[12:00:19] <Kats99> Yes u r right
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1609[12:01:19] <dka> I wanted to upgrade from Debian Stretch to
Debian Buster, I did in order: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get
upgrade; sudo apt-get full-upgrade; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove;
sudo sed -i 's/stretch/buster/g' /etc/apt/sources.list;
sudo sed -i 's/stretch/buster/g'
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/*; sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade; I went
to sleep and woke up, the sudo apt upgrade commande is stuck. I have
Get:1064
replaced-url
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1610[12:01:19] <Kats99> Btw what's the command to increase
volume in pulse audio??
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1611[12:01:24] <dka> buster/main amd64 gnome-backgrounds all
3.30.0-1 [27.3 MB]; 76% [1064 gnome-backgrounds 11.9 MB/27.3 MB 44%]
5,018 B/s 16h 45min 50s
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1612[12:01:29] <dka> How can I resume ?
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1613[12:02:05] <ratrace> Kats99: okay, so the recommendation was
leave it at that, or read this about hybrid graphics:
replaced-url
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1614[12:02:14] <Kats99> Yeah I'll leave it
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1616[12:02:30] <ratrace> Kats99: in other words if you don't
need/want to use the nvidia driver, intel should suffice.
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1617[12:02:32] <Kats99> It's just a headache to install the
Optimus Prime thingy
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1618[12:02:41] <Kats99> Yep..
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1620[12:02:51] <Kats99> Just for coding and watching anime
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1621[12:03:35] <ratrace> Kats99: pactl is the command line
interface to PA
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1623[12:03:56] <ratrace> otherwise use any of the gui things,
pavucontrol for example if you don't have a desktop with the
audio control already present
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1624[12:04:09] <Kats99> I wanted to setup a keyboard shortcut
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1625[12:04:19] <ratrace> pactl it is then
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1626[12:04:57] <Kats99> Ok
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1639[12:11:26] <dka> Can I reboot in the middle of `apt upgrade`
?
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1642[12:12:26] <Miles8of9> Oo
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1644[12:12:33] <dka> Can I reboot in the middle of `sudo apt
upgrade` ? I wanted to upgrade stretch to buster, I was expecting to
finish during a sleep, but now I see the gnome-background download
super extra slow , 2,150 B/s
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1646[12:12:44] <dka> the file size is 27.3MB and I have
downloader 16.1 MB, I am stuck
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1648[12:13:03] <dka> what happen if the internet disconnect ?
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1649[12:13:24] <ratrace> dka: it's one of those things we
alwyas say "Make sure you have good backups in case you need to
reinstall the system"
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1652[12:13:53] <crivrc> Hi, anyone knows how to start openvpn
using debian supplied systemd files? I try systemctl start openvpn
but nothing happens, it just says Started OpenVPN service, but the
daemon is not running and nothing is listening in the udp port
defined in /etc/openvpn/server.conf
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1653[12:14:09] <ratrace> dka: however, if the upgrade is still at
that initial stage of downloading packages and not even ONE has
installed, _maybe_ you can indeed cut it short with no ill effects,
but I can't 100% guarantee that
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1654[12:14:28] <ratrace> dka: I have, in the past, stopped apt
upgrade tasks while they were still at the download phase, with no
side effects
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1655[12:14:44] <dka> How can I know if I am in the download phase
?
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1656[12:14:53] <dka> oh
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1657[12:14:54] <dka> Get :
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1658[12:14:57] <dka> ok I just cut it
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1659[12:15:01] <dka> ty
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1661[12:15:15] <ratrace> dka: ctrl-c should suffice, no need to
reboot
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1679[12:19:26] <nicknamee> hello, how would I go about rebooting
a Debian10? all green OKs, reached target reboot and now it's
repeating task systemd-shutdown blocked for more than 120 seconds
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1680[12:20:19] <Lope> what is that simple command for quickly
benchmarking the read speed of a hard drive/SSD?
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1681[12:20:56] <Lope> I seem to recall it's hdparm
something, but I don't see a relevant benchmark in the man page
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1683[12:21:26] <Lope> it was some program with a short name like
4~7 letters
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1684[12:22:37] <crivrc> Lope: hdparm -t or hdparm -T
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1686[12:24:13] <Lope> thanks, that must be it.
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1689[12:24:37] <crivrc> oh, I see openvpn.service unit has:
ExecStart=/bin/true
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1690[12:24:46] <crivrc> so it does nothing!
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1692[12:25:06] <crivrc> why?
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1694[12:25:50] <colo-work> openvpn has been converted to use
template units, iirc
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1695[12:25:53] <dka> How can I select the appropriate and fastest
mirroir for apt ?
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1696[12:26:15] <colo-work> crivrc, check systemctl status
openvpn\*
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1698[12:27:29] <crivrc> yes colo-work, it says active (exited)
but I see that I have a file
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/openvpn.service which
aparently does nothing.
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1699[12:28:01] <colo-work> crivrc, did you upgrade from an
earlier Debian release to buster?
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1700[12:28:33] <crivrc> yes, I looked into
/lib/systemd/system-generators/openvpn-generator
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1701[12:28:54] <crivrc> I modified /etc/default/openvpn
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1703[12:28:58] <colo-work> you'll need to convert/migrate
your old configuration (with a single unit for openvpn-server, iirc)
to the new style
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1704[12:29:21] <crivrc> colo-work: Is there any documentation? I
don't see anything about that in /usr/share/doc/openvpn
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1705[12:29:27] <han-solo> isn't it `openvpn-client` ?
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1706[12:29:36] <crivrc> no, I want to setup a server
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1708[12:29:59] <han-solo> service `openvpn` seems to be simply a
systemd target
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1709[12:30:18] <han-solo> there's `openvpn-server` too
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1710[12:30:59] <ratrace> nicknamee: power cycle it, then enable
persistent journal to see what might've gone wrong with
previous boot session, though this late in it it's probably not
gonna log anything
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1712[12:31:56] <colo-work> crivrc, I don't really remember
how I did the conversion for our server... but it was fairly
straightforward
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1715[12:32:17] <colo-work> (the changelog would probably point
into the right direction)
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1716[12:32:47] <crivrc> I am not doing any conversion, I just
starting from scratch, I copied an example configuration from
/usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples and filled in the details
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1717[12:33:55] <crivrc> I've setup up previous openvpn
before, before systemd.
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1721[12:36:56] <nicknamee> ratrace: is this useful?
replaced-url
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1724[12:38:50] <ratrace> nicknamee: nope, it's not. ideall
you need to look up journalctl -b -n 100 for example, to see last
100 entries from previous boot session. nicknamee also, -p err will
show syslog "error" severity entries, and if you really
need to grep, always use -i
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1730[12:43:24] <crivrc> I tried
/lib/systemd/system-generators/openvpn-generator
/etc/systemd/system/
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1733[12:43:56] <crivrc> now it starts up (it fails because of a
config error, though) but it starts up when I type: systemctl start
openvpn\@server.service
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1736[12:45:54] <dka> Hi
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1737[12:46:00] <dka> how can I upgrade linux from 4.19 to linux 5
?
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1739[12:46:24] <RoyK> dka: obviously, but do you need kernel v5?
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1740[12:46:37] <dka> RoyK,
replaced-url
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1741[12:46:41] <crivrc> dka: In Debian? Is there a package of
linux 5? If not you will need to compile it
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1742[12:46:46] <dka> With Kernel 4, microphone does not work
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1744[12:46:54] <dka> With Kernel 5, sound does not work
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1745[12:46:54] <ratrace> ,v linux-image-amd64
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1746[12:46:55] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 --
jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6;
stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9;
stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster:
4.19+105+deb10u1; buster-backports: 5.2+107~bpo10+1; bullseye:
5.2+107; sid: 5.3.7-1
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1747[12:47:04] <ratrace> buster-backports haz iz
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1748[12:47:06] <ratrace> *it
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1752[12:48:14] <nicknamee> so it seems that the machine was not
rebooting because it still had the usb install plugged in. pretty BS
reason!
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1753[12:48:50] <RoyK> ratrace: it's 5.2, though, and unless
the fix has been backported, it probabaly won't work
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1756[12:49:57] <wxb> nicknamee, Maybe the boot priority was usb?
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1762[12:51:31] <nicknamee> wxb: no, as it boots straight into
debian WITH the usb plugged in and no boot prompts appear. it just
won't reboot with it present
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1763[12:51:52] <wxb> nicknamee, I see. Odd.
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1765[12:54:05] <ratrace> nicknamee: was that after the
"Please remove the USB installation media and reboot"
message?
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1767[12:54:54] <ratrace> nicknamee: it's worth figuring out
what service or condition prevented it, and configure system or that
service/condition, not to do that
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1768[12:54:59] <dka> How can I select the appropriate and fastest
mirroir for apt ?
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1769[12:55:09] <annadane> use deb.debian.org
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1772[12:56:21] <nicknamee> ratrace: already passed that, finished
setting up pihole and was testing some ssh commands
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1773[12:57:03] <nicknamee> can always plug it back it and repro
the issue
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1777[12:58:44] <dka> annadane, even for security updates ?
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1778[12:58:59] <annadane> nah, use the security repo
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1781[12:59:14] <annadane> though i'm not sure if people have
used d.d.o for that or not
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1786[13:01:15] <annadane> RoyK, the debian backported kernel i
believe is on 5.2
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1787[13:01:18] <annadane> ,kernels
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1788[13:01:19] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid:
5.3.0-1-686-pae (5.3.7-1); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1);
buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.2.17-1~bpo10+1); buster:
4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports:
4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports:
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1789[13:01:20] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae
(4.9.189-3+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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1793[13:02:49] <dka> I am upgrading debian and I have a confirm
dialog: Configuring minissdpd
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1794[13:02:56] <dka> should I start the MiniSSDP daemon
automatically Y/n?
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1795[13:03:47] <annadane> uh... are you doing a full upgrade to a
new release or something? i thought you were just updating the
kernel
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1796[13:03:57] <dka> I am first upgrade Debian from Stretch To
Buster
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1798[13:04:00] <annadane> anyway, unless you have a reason not
to, you should probably just say yes
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1800[13:04:09] <nicknamee> ratrace: message is usb 2-2: device
descriptor read/64, error -110
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1801[13:04:21] <dka> Should I use all interface ?
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1803[13:04:36] <annadane> as for the kernel, update to buster
first and then maybe afterwards you can use the kernel from
backports
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1804[13:04:42] <dka> I have 5 interface for docker container, 1
for docker0, one for ethernet, 2 for vmware
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1805[13:04:53] <annadane> that i don't know, someone else
will have to answer
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1807[13:05:02] <dka> minissdpd needs to specify the interface for
uPnP queries
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1808[13:05:04] <nicknamee> internet says error is related to usb
power exceeded, which does not make much sense to me, as this error
persisted through several power cycles
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1809[13:05:28] <debianfan2439> first it did begin that i did
install on my computer this iso image
"debian-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso" from a website
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1810[13:05:45] <debianfan2439> hello (i do tell you my prodecure
how i did it, so maybe it helps to find the problem)
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1812[13:06:30] <debianfan2439> i dont know why but i did have
such a dark deep feeling in me while i did download the image file,
because strange things did happen at this time ... i dont want to
say that the image file was compromised by an attacker hacker
compromiser cracker guy or something but it was just a feeling
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1814[13:07:02] <annadane> ...uh.
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1816[13:07:11] <debianfan2439> and if it is true then my computer
is maybe not longer secure, or im i wrong? because i did already
install the image on my computer system and, please correct me if i
am wrong, the bios seems changed since then... i mean since i did
install it on the computer
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1817[13:07:25] <annadane> well, the 'a website', i
hope, was from debian's website
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1818[13:07:31] <annadane> otherwise, who knows
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1820[13:07:55] <debianfan2439> no it was not the debian.org
website it was a strange name i dont remember
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1821[13:08:08] <debianfan2439> anyways, after i did install
debian on my computer, i did login to my tty console and not long
after that, i did get a message from a random user in a security irc
chat channel
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1824[13:08:24] <debianfan2439> he said to me that i sould install
the software he did send to me, to make my debian linux system
immune to common viruses and so-called "black trojan
horses"
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1825[13:08:36] <annadane> ...download debian from the actual
debian website, and wipe your computer and install that
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1826[13:08:37] <debianfan2439> so i did not think much and
install the software on my debian linux system version name buster
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1828[13:09:14] <debianfan2439> annadane but this is also a
problem because since i did install the debian on my computer my
bios did change
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1830[13:09:42] <debianfan2439> i can not longer do something on
my bios it is like something is encrypted
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1831[13:10:06] <debianfan2439> i can not change settings or
choose the boot medium
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1832[13:10:19] <annadane> yeah, that's a good point. maybe
someone else has an idea
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1833[13:11:05] <debianfan2439> after i did install the anti
viruses and black trojan horses software, my debian linux system did
restart automatically. i did already note something is wrong, while
i was looking on my grub menu. because there was no longer such
menu. only the blue colour and black environment, but with no text
or something. only the familiar blue colour and black
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1834[13:11:05] <debianfan2439> environment which we get if we
dont install a desktop environment on the debian install
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1835[13:11:35] <debianfan2439> and after i did come to my tty
console, i was not able to login. because while i did type my
password, after 3 seconds or less the tty session did restart and so
im not able to type my password, because 3 seconds are not enough (
i have a long password)
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1837[13:11:49] <wxb> This is going back a few hours, but Xubuntu
Live does not detect the wifi card either. Bad news for this laptop
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1838[13:11:51] <debianfan2439> annadane and now i am helpless and
dont know what to do
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1841[13:12:27] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: do you per chance have
chat logs or browser history at hand?
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1844[13:12:51] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: assuming you didn't
wipe the computer yet
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1846[13:13:27] <Ede|Popede> if your system is already compromised
it doesn't make much sense to continue with snake oil. if you
think you have to, it would be the first step, not the last.
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1847[13:13:30] <debianfan2439> wasamasa no i have no chat logs or
something because i can not login in my system like i said
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1849[13:13:48] <debianfan2439> nor i can wipe my computer because
i can not choose the boot medium
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1850[13:13:49] <wasamasa> well, you could take the hdd and
inspect it from another computer
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1856[13:15:07] <debianfan2439> wasamasa but i have only one
computer
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1857[13:15:34] <wasamasa> so you use a usb stick with a live
distro
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1858[13:15:50] <wasamasa> like knoppix or whatever you prefer
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1859[13:15:52] <debianfan2439> no because i can not change the
boot medium in my bios longer
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1861[13:16:10] <wasamasa> oh well, I guess I'll never get my
hand on elusive linux malware
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1862[13:16:26] <nicknamee> unplug the HDD, it should pick the
next boot source
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1865[13:17:46] <Ede|Popede> are all HDDs checked nowadays for
boot? if not, plugging it into another slot may prevent it being
selected
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1866[13:18:19] <debianfan2439> but i dont know if it will work on
my old laptop and nor i know how i should do it
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1868[13:18:30] <Ede|Popede> !tias
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1869[13:18:30] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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1870[13:18:31] * wawowe Gets Ede|Popede some tias
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1871[13:18:32] <wasamasa> I keep running into stories like these
and the victims tend to be absolutely clueless
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1875[13:19:37] <Ede|Popede> lack on common sense. you don't
give your appartment key and your bank card to that guy in the bus.
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1877[13:20:08] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: what channel was this
anyway?
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1878[13:20:11] <debianfan2439> Ede|Popede he said the software is
against the well knowed dangerous black trojan horses
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1880[13:20:15] <Ede|Popede> but when it comes to software lots of
people either don't care or don't even waste one second to
potential problems
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1881[13:20:24] <debianfan2439> i think everybody can understand
why i didnt think much and install it
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1882[13:20:28] <Ede|Popede> "the software", what is it
exactly?
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1883[13:20:34] <Ede|Popede> its name?
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1884[13:20:50] <Ede|Popede> do you have it from a safe source?
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1885[13:21:34] <Ede|Popede> "safe source" doesn't
include "this website" or "that guy in some
chat/forum", see the bus example above
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1890[13:22:33] <Ede|Popede> i'm even sceptical with things
like mozilla.org vs. download.mozilla.net - 2 different TLDs,
definitely not the same domain.
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1891[13:22:37] <debianfan2439> he did give me a download link but
i dont remember the websites name but i remember the software name
it was called "XAntiMalwarePremium"
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1892[13:22:39] <dka_> Hi, I got my computer UI frozen during
stretch to buster upgrade
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1893[13:22:42] <dka_> what can I do ?
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1895[13:22:52] <dka_> It was Updating database of manyak oages
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1896[13:23:17] <debianfan2439> Ede|Popede and then he said i
should install it with root privileges so that i can experience the
full effect of the software
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1897[13:23:32] <dka_> it got unfrozen but all the fonts onn my
scree nchanged
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1898[13:23:37] <nicknamee> flashing the bios from HDD
doesn't seem so straightforward under linux, and you also need
the mobo model, this looks very targeted and it's someone you
know; or it's simply user error
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1899[13:24:04] <Ede|Popede> uh, cloudbased it seems.
replaced-url
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1900[13:24:26] <Ede|Popede> and the avatar of the TO really gives
me an absolute safe feeling
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1901[13:25:24] <wasamasa> lol
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1902[13:25:29] <Ede|Popede> seems to be kaspersky, cracked
versions in the wild. and who knows if it really is what it says.
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1904[13:25:37] <wxb> Is this in firmware iso? broadcom-sta-dkms
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1905[13:25:42] <wasamasa> I like the russian screenshots
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1906[13:25:54] <debianfan2439> no this was not the same software
he did send me, on my software it did have an logo with a black
horse and bow and arrow in front of the black horse
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1910[13:27:40] <Ede|Popede> you don't know the source, you
don't know the software, it could be whatever.
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1913[13:28:52] <Ede|Popede> there's enough software around
claiming to clean up your (surprise!: windows) system and then
installs a backdoor or drags in ads or what not
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1914[13:29:06] <dka> I was in the middle of an upgrade but now I
have 96% used of my harddrive
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1915[13:29:14] <wxb> How can I find out if X package is in a
Debian iso?
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1916[13:29:18] <dka> E: You don't have enough free space in
/var/cache/apt/archives/.
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1917[13:29:22] <dka> How can I do
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1918[13:29:30] <dka> I dont know what I can remove to perform the
upgrade
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1919[13:29:55] <Ede|Popede> dka: you could remove some of the
(older) packages. java, office and firefox may be good candidates
(they're huge)
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1920[13:30:19] <Ede|Popede> or check if you have something else
you could safely remove from there, like temporary files.
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1921[13:30:40] <dka> where are tmp files?
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1922[13:30:55] <Ede|Popede> btw, since apt* runs with root's
access rights, you should have some reserved space (check $size - (
$used + $free ))
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1923[13:31:03] <Ede|Popede> /tmp usually
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1924[13:31:39] <Ede|Popede> but then, /var is also for non-static
content, including caches (as the one for packages)
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1925[13:32:22] <dka> I have clean /tmp but still not enough
space, I can't remove Firefox-esr because I hav e adependency
with cinnamon, I dont have office
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1926[13:32:35] <dka> java is installed in /opt a different
harddrrive
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1927[13:32:37] <dka> anything else?
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1928[13:32:39] <Ede|Popede> and it also depends on your
partitioning. it /var is on the same partition as /root and you have
some big files there for some reasons... or maybe even /home. some
users seem to put it also into /
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1929[13:32:48] <Ede|Popede> ah right, java. i forgot that one
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1930[13:32:51] <dka> My partition are / , /srv, /opt, /home
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1931[13:32:57] <dka> I have 2.1GB avaialble on /
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1932[13:33:51] <Ede|Popede> so /var is also on / ? what does `df
/var/cache/apt/archives` say?
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1934[13:34:19] <dka> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use%
Mounted on
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1935[13:34:23] <dka> .../dev/md0 45842276 40276172 3207680 93% /
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1936[13:35:05] <Ede|Popede> 3G, that should be more than enough
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1937[13:35:07] <jelly> dka: du -x / | sort -n | tail -n30 ... and
wait
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1940[13:36:06] <wxb> How can I find out if X package is in a
Debian iso?
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1941[13:36:28] <themill> !cd contents
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1942[13:36:28] <dpkg> To find out which CD or DVD image contains
a particular package or source file, use the search engine at
replaced-url
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1943[13:36:28] * wawowe Gets themill some cd contents
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1944[13:36:51] <jelly> !cd turingtest
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1945[13:36:51] * wawowe Gets jelly some cd turingtest
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1954[13:39:37] <wxb> themill, Thanks. This the broadcom-sta-dkms
package which is non free. I want to see if it is in the firmware
iso...
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1955[13:41:41] <wxb> So the search tool doesn't work...
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1960[13:45:36] <themill> wxb:
replaced-url
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1961[13:46:31] <wxb> themill, Thanks. So broadcom-sta-dkms is not
there... why would a wifi driver not be in the firmware iso??
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1962[13:46:35] <wxb> Is it too rare?
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1967[13:47:35] <themill> There's no dkms stuff there at all;
it might be that dkms isn't going to work in the installer
environment; I'm guessing though
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1971[13:51:12] <debianfan2439> why is this firmware not also
avaiable on stretch?
replaced-url
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1972[13:51:21] <wxb> themill, Would it work via dpkg and the .deb
file?
replaced-url
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1973[13:51:30] <greycat> because stretch is oldstable, and was
frozen like 5 years ago?
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1974[13:51:31] <debianfan2439> and if i would use it in stretch,
how instabile would the system then become
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1976[13:51:33] <greycat> !stretch freeze
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1977[13:51:34] <dpkg> Stretch is frozen as of 2017-02-05; see
replaced-url
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1978[13:51:41] <greycat> oh, only 2 years? that seems wrong
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1979[13:52:21] <greycat> ,v firmware-ath9k-htc
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1980[13:52:22] <judd> Package: firmware-ath9k-htc on amd64 --
bullseye: 1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3; buster:
1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3; sid: 1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3
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1983[13:52:42] <greycat> looks like it never existed until buster
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1984[13:52:46] <karlpinc> Maybe it has had a name change?
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1986[13:53:14] <debianfan2439> the problem is that my old old
other laptop have this debian stretch and i need this firmware for
internet connection but i dont want to install the non-free firmware
atheros
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1989[13:54:00] <debianfan2439> in a security point of view is it
better to install the nonfree firmware atheros or the opensource
firmware
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1990[13:54:12] <debianfan2439> but instabile)
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1991[13:54:31] <debianfan2439> but how instabile would it be
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1992[13:54:35] <greycat> Nobody knows.
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1993[13:54:48] <greycat> It's firmware. It doesn't run
on your computer. It runs inside your network interface.
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1994[13:55:10] <greycat> It might make your network interface
send secret messages to Ukraine. Or it might be totally fine.
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1995[13:55:24] <debianfan2439> you mean the nonfree firmware yes?
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1996[13:55:29] <greycat> !firmware
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1997[13:55:29] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic
devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux
kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace,
notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part
of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some
are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask
me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>.
replaced-url
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1998[13:56:00] <debianfan2439> did you mean the not open firmware
i hope or do you mean the open firmware ... the thing with the
messages to ukraine
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2001[13:56:35] <debianfan2439> i can not read the program code
from the open firmware because i dont understand
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2002[13:56:40] <debianfan2439> did you read it?
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2004[13:57:21] <debianfan2439> is on the code a email address or
something like this what would turn the alarm clock or like that
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2005[13:57:33] <nicknamee> open doesn't mean secure, read on
obfuscation
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2007[13:58:15] <debianfan2439> but everybody could read the code
and of course some backdoors can not be detected by the most reader
maybe but obviously things like a email adress in code would put the
alarm clock on
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2008[13:58:21] <debianfan2439> or not
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2015[13:58:54] <wxb> So I'm trying to dual boot with Debian.
It doesn't look possible to use the LUKs option during the
install. Can I do that after?
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2016[13:59:04] <wasamasa> email addresses are fairly normal in a
source code header
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2017[13:59:50] <debianfan2439> i dont mean in the header i mean
in the code
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2020[14:01:09] <lupulo> wasamasa: see
replaced-url
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2021[14:01:42] <wasamasa> I'm not sure what point
you're trying to make
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2022[14:02:04] <wasamasa> absence of evidence is not evidence of
absence
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2024[14:02:11] <debianfan2439> i mean if someone would write a
keylogger code in the firmware code, so then somewhere he must send
his datas
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2025[14:02:15] <debianfan2439> like to a email address
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2026[14:02:22] <debianfan2439> then it would be obviously or not
?
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2027[14:02:23] <karlpinc> wxb: It is possible to do the LUKS
durint the install, and not really possible after without erasing
everything and restoring.
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2028[14:02:25] <wxb> Basically, debianfan2439 Good point.
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2029[14:02:29] <greycat> A network interface doesn't have
access to your keyboard.
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2030[14:02:47] <greycat> A firmware program running inside a
network interface can only control the network interface.
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2031[14:02:48] <wxb> karlpinc, Even with the 'manual
choice' in the install process.
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2032[14:02:49] <karlpinc> wxb: Unless you have 2 disks and are
using only one -- which basically means the same thing.
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2033[14:03:16] <wxb> karlpinc, I watched the link you sent me
replaced-url
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2034[14:03:24] <karlpinc> wxb: You make a partition, when you do
you say it is a LUKS encrypted partition. Then the installer
continues.
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2035[14:03:27] <greycat> And I have absolutely no idea what
I'm supposed to be looking for in this bat_algo.c code.
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2036[14:03:27] <wxb> and they don't do LUKS...
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2037[14:03:31] <karlpinc> wxb: I didn't send it.
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2038[14:03:38] <wxb> karlpinc, Oh. Oops.
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2039[14:03:39] <greycat> What part of it did you find to be
noteworthy?
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2041[14:03:47] <dka_> I have upgraded to Buster and I cant move
the mouse, I can right click
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2043[14:04:10] <debianfan2439> greycat would it be possible if
the firmware is compromised, that the attacker can access my other
devices in the same network
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2044[14:04:27] <greycat> You're a paranoid person. There is
nothing I can say to you.
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2046[14:04:31] <karlpinc> wxb: When you have a LUKS encrypted
partition you then partition that partition. (Or, even better, use
it as a LVM physical volume.)
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2048[14:04:49] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: you mentioned having
another laptop
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2049[14:05:00] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: why not use that to
figure out the issues with the first one?
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2050[14:05:01] <wxb> karlpinc, Ah. Hmmmm. So this a different
process than that link.
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2051[14:05:06] <karlpinc> wxb: (I swear I recall there is a
choice for LUKS + LVM.)
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2052[14:05:11] <debianfan2439> wasamasa i dont have a another
lapttop it was a theoretical question
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2054[14:05:29] <wxb> karlpinc, Could you take a look at the vid?
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2055[14:05:33] <wasamasa> <debianfan2439> the problem is
that my old old other laptop have this debian stretch and i need
this firmware for internet connection but i dont want to install the
non-free firmware atheros
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2056[14:05:46] <greycat> why are you QUOTING a person I just
ignored? :(
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2057[14:05:47] <debianfan2439> wasamasa it is not my laptop it is
from the school
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2058[14:06:00] <wxb> karlpinc, Relevant time is at 3:55
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2059[14:06:08] <wasamasa> greycat: whoops, my bad for assuming
ops never ignore persons
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2060[14:06:42] <debianfan2439> so i should not use it for
personal , but we dont have to tell
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2062[14:06:59] <karlpinc> wxb: It always helps to read the
screen.
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2063[14:07:13] <nicknamee> debianfan2439: so you can't
change boot options because of the password?
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2065[14:07:32] <karlpinc> wxb: "If you choose guided
partitioning, you may have three options: to create partitions
directly on the hard disk (classic method), or to create them using
Logical Volume Management (LVM), or to create them using encrypted
LVM[10]."
replaced-url
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2066[14:07:43] <debianfan2439> nicknamee no not because of the
password, there is no password i need to type, but if i try to
choose a option on the boot menu then nothing happens
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2067[14:07:56] <debianfan2439> it is like my keyboard is not
connected
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2068[14:08:18] <thctlo> Hai, im attempting to crossbuild, armhf
in and pbuilder i386 environment, but im keep hitting unmet
dependencies in combination with python3. is there anything known of
this?
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2069[14:08:23] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: if the affected machine
is from school, then you have bigger issues
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2071[14:08:26] <karlpinc> wxb: I never bothered to configure
sound on my box, and video broke on the stretch upgrade and I
didn't bother to fix it. Maybe buster will make it work again.
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2072[14:08:54] <debianfan2439> wasamasa not the affected laptop
is from the school, this one whhich is compromised is my laptop the
other old old one is from the school
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2075[14:09:19] <wasamasa> let's hope they teach you the
skills to fix your laptop then :P
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2077[14:09:30] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay. I'll give this a whirl.
Good luck to you too :)
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2078[14:09:36] <debianfan2439> wasamasa no they dont know what
linux is i think they cannot help me
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2079[14:09:43] <debianfan2439> i thought that someone here can
help me
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2080[14:09:52] <wasamasa> given how unhelpful you are, nope
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2081[14:10:16] <debianfan2439> how can i be helpful so that you
can help me
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2082[14:10:23] <debianfan2439> maybe i oversaw your message
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2083[14:10:26] <karlpinc> wxb: Besides, videos suck for most
instruction. You can't easily bookmark them and they tend to
contain lots and lots of irrelevent fluff. (Like, you need _motion_
to tell people how to type into a box?)
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2084[14:10:30] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: for example by following
our suggestions, lol
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2085[14:10:41] <debianfan2439> wasamasa sorry which suggestion
you mean ?
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2086[14:10:41] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: there have been plenty
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2088[14:10:47] <wasamasa> read the backlog
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2089[14:10:55] <wxb> karlpinc, Lol.
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2091[14:11:21] <wxb> karlpinc, Good point. I tend to avoid them.
Someone here (not you :) ) sent me that link yesterday.
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2093[14:12:03] <debianfan2439> you mean the thing with reconnect
the hdd ? i did already try it and nothing did happen. and the thing
with looking the hdd from the other computer is not working because
this old laptop from school doesnt allows it (hardware techincal
point of view)
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2094[14:12:36] <wasamasa> all of them really
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2096[14:13:06] <wasamasa> I'm sure you'll find someone
willing to lend you the necessary hardware to make progress on this
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2097[14:13:07] <annadane> remember to like, comment, subscribe my
debian instructional videos
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2101[14:14:10] <karlpinc> wxb: Anyhow, I'd do luks + lvm.
LVM is "one more thing", but is really handy. You can
create 2 logical volumes -- one for swap and one for everything
else. And leave a little (lots of?) unused space in the physical
volume so you have options when you come close to filling the
filesystem or want a separate partition for something else.
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2103[14:16:02] <humpled> i just leave a smallish spare partition
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2104[14:16:14] <karlpinc> wxb: Or, since it's not your box,
just allocate all the space and be done with it.
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2106[14:16:54] <debianfan2439> wasamasa i will ask my neighbour
if he can lend me his notebook but it will take 5 minutes i think
and then another 5 minutes to connect my hdd to his mainboard okey
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2107[14:17:03] <debianfan2439> are you still here then to help me
?
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2108[14:17:13] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: the less intruding way
would probably be to use an USB adapter to connect the HDD to the
other laptop. if you don't have one, someone you know, may,
maybe there's even a LUG around the place you live. or if you
have some money left you could also buy one.
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2111[14:17:57] <os__> hi, through it a little irrelevant,but
anybody knows what do java developer using in debian as ide?
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2115[14:18:38] <karlpinc> os__: I'm guessing eclipse.
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2116[14:18:45] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: you're on your own
then really
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2117[14:18:57] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: nobody will look through
the hdd for you over the internet
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2119[14:19:14] <debianfan2439> wasamasa what do you mean ? you
did suggest that i should look to the hdd from another computer
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2120[14:19:14] <os__> karlpinc, thanks
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2121[14:19:33] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: we're just
suggesting you steps to rely less on other people fixing stuff for
you
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2122[14:20:04] <debianfan2439> i will ask him if he have a usb
adapter hdd okey
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2123[14:20:12] <debianfan2439> maybe but i dont think that he
have one
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2124[14:20:37] <wasamasa> hence why it's better to look for
a lug, hackerspace or other linux-centric group
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2125[14:20:53] <Ede|Popede> ah, ccc may be also around
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2126[14:21:09] <wasamasa> maybe I'll get my hands on that
elusive linux malware at 36c3 :>
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2127[14:21:21] <ratrace> debianfan2439: weren't you here
under another nickname the other day asking the same questions?
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2128[14:21:33] <wasamasa> the other one had a raspberry pi
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2129[14:21:58] <debianfan2439> ratrace no but i did ask the same
on xmpp debian german chat channel because im german
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2130[14:22:09] <debianfan2439> but there i dont get answers
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2131[14:22:18] <debianfan2439> it seems all are robots or
something like thtat
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2132[14:22:27] <ratrace> That other nick expressed exactly the
very same, rather specific, concern: "would it be possible if
the firmware is compromised, that the attacker can access my other
devices in the same network"
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2133[14:22:37] <Ede|Popede> localized channels aren't really
active i guess
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2134[14:22:41] <ratrace> so I think that's just you under
another nick
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2139[14:24:08] <debianfan2439> it was today when i asked this
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2141[14:24:26] <wasamasa> use that chance to find a hackerspace,
there are a bunch in germany
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2142[14:24:28] <debianfan2439> not yesterday, i never was here in
this channel until today
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2143[14:25:06] <ratrace> that other nick was also very adamant
that their computer was compromised wihtout any proof or indication
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2144[14:25:16] <debianfan2439> wasamasa but are hackerspace not
full of people like the guy which send me the allegedly antimalware
program ?
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2145[14:25:21] <wasamasa> ratrace: is that a common thing on
#debian?
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2146[14:25:25] <ratrace> not at all
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2147[14:25:28] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: nope
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2150[14:26:09] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: well, I can't speak
for that person, but they tend to be filled with hobbyists
interested in programming, hardware, networks and technology in
general
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2152[14:27:39] <debianfan2439> but the problem did come with
debian and i think debian channel is the right place because it is
debian related and i dont want to connect to a hackerspace with
people that are hacking and maybe my computer too
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2153[14:27:53] <annadane> *plonk*
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2154[14:27:58] <ratrace> debianfan2439: what IS the problem
though? I'm going through the backlog and I don't see you
explain what the problem actually is
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2155[14:28:03] <ratrace> annadane: +1
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2156[14:28:07] <greycat> ratrace: they're also using the
same web-interface IRC client...
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2157[14:28:30] <ratrace> greycat: oh so I'm not crazy :)
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2159[14:28:32] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: you'll have to be
lucky to find actual hackers there
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2161[14:28:53] <debianfan2439> ratrace the problem is that i did
install debian on my computer and now the computer did become
useless
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2162[14:29:03] <debianfan2439> i can not change settings on my
bios or on my debian system
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2164[14:29:09] <annadane> as far as your compromised BIOS is
concerned i'd be surprised if there isn't a way to restore
stuff to default settings, otherwise, just reinstall debian
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2165[14:29:15] <annadane> and stop downloading shit from
untrusted websites
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2166[14:29:15] <debianfan2439> on the grub menu there is nothing
to choose i see only the desktop environment blue and black
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2167[14:29:22] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: if it reassures you,
I'm one of those who get paid to legally hack networks and so
on
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2168[14:29:50] <ratrace> wasamasa: pm me if you're
black-hattin' on the side. :)
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2169[14:30:00] <Ede|Popede> does the trick with the removed
battery still apply?
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2171[14:30:26] <ratrace> debianfan2439: being (un)able to change
bios has nothing to do with installing debian though. so what about
being unable to change settings on your debian system?
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2173[14:31:30] <debianfan2439> ratrace im unable to change
settings on my debian system because if i want to login then after 3
seconds while im typing the password the session starts again
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2174[14:31:33] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: if you see the grub
menu you're already too late to choose the boot device
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2175[14:31:37] <debianfan2439> it is like the time limit did
change
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2178[14:32:10] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: start to hack on the
key (F12, Del, F2, whatever it may be) as soon as you see the screen
flickering while the graphics is reset
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2181[14:32:27] <annadane> s/hack/tap
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2182[14:32:40] <debianfan2439> Ede|Popede but when im on the bios
menu to choose the boot medium i see my usb stick live debian image
but i can not choose it
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2183[14:32:50] <debianfan2439> it is like my keyboard is not
connected to the pc
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2184[14:32:52] <ratrace> go hulk on the F12 key. "Hulk
smash!"
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2185[14:33:06] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: you even may have the
choice: "go to bios" or "boot menu" with the
latter also offering you the bios
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2186[14:33:13] <Ede|Popede> annadane: grazie
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2187[14:33:34] <annadane> just didn't want him to freak out
about 'hack', you know. there's dangerous people on
the interwebs
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2188[14:33:40] <annadane> we could all be hacking him right now
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2189[14:34:02] <Ede|Popede> ah right. was a false friend i guess
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2190[14:34:57] <ratrace> debianfan2439: are you still talking
about the bios? there's no time limit on logging in on debian
-- and I'm assuming that'd be either the console or a
login manager for the desktop
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2191[14:34:59] <wxb> karlpinc, Sorry, I'm just a bit
confused here. So I'm under 'manual config' in the
install. Now I'm going to create swap and the else partitions.
Where does the LUKS come in?
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2193[14:35:17] <wxb> karlpinc, Oh, sorry I see it now!
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2196[14:35:37] <karlpinc> wxb: There's already an option
under "guided config", but whatever.
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2197[14:35:38] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: if you prefer, call them
Erfahrungsaustauschkreise
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2198[14:35:50] <wxb> karlpinc, So first I do LVM LUKS, and then I
split into two?
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2199[14:35:56] <wasamasa> debianfan2439:
replaced-url
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2200[14:36:14] <karlpinc> wxb: Yes.
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2201[14:36:48] <debianfan2439> ratrace yes i was still talking
about bios. in debian there seems to be a time limit not for
password typing on the tty console login
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2202[14:36:56] <karlpinc> wxb: First thing that happens is LUKS.
In there is an lvm pv. Then you setup a lvm volume group using that
physical volume. Then you create 2 lvm lvs (logical volumes).
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2204[14:36:58] <wxb> karlpinc, Wait, but that option will take
the whole disk.
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2206[14:37:29] <karlpinc> wxb: Then you say what you want on
those 2 volumes, swap and / -- with a ext4 fs (probably).
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2208[14:37:37] <debianfan2439> if i could look on the debian
system data system from my neighbours computer , maybe then you can
help me
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2209[14:37:48] <karlpinc> wxb: You have a partition already
that's separate from your MS Windows stuff?
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2210[14:37:50] <debianfan2439> then i could configure the debian
system or not
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2212[14:38:02] <wxb> karlpinc, Yep
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2213[14:38:15] <debianfan2439> and maybe you can help me so i
will ask him now
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2214[14:38:16] <wxb> I made it with gparted via a live usb
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2215[14:38:19] <karlpinc> Then you say that that partition is an
LUKS partition.
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2216[14:38:51] <wxb> Is this the 'manual>configure
enrypted volumes' option?
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2217[14:38:58] <wxb> I get a warning message after
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2221[14:39:09] <ratrace> debianfan2439: there is no time limit on
any of the standard login managers, or the console itself, in debian
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2222[14:39:35] <karlpinc> wxb: What is the message?
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2223[14:39:44] <debianfan2439> ratrace so the conclusion maybe
could be that the software i did install, did change this setting
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2224[14:39:54] <ratrace> debianfan2439: there is no such setting
to begin with
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2226[14:40:13] <debianfan2439> ratrace of course you can set a
time limit for password typing
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2227[14:40:16] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: only if you have a
typo in the tty it will pause for a while. can't say how long
and how often it will allow you to try tho.
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2228[14:40:17] <debianfan2439> or what did you talk about
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2229[14:40:20] <karlpinc> And did you first choose the partition
you've set aside for Debian?
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2230[14:40:33] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay, just backing up to make sure
I'm where I should be:
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2231[14:40:48] <ratrace> debianfan2439: there is no such thing,
it can't be because it'd be totally pointless as the
password prompt is constantly there waiting for input until you log
in
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2232[14:40:53] <wxb> I'm at the 'Disk partition'
step.
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2235[14:41:05] <karlpinc> You need to set the kind of partition.
What type did you make the partition when you created it?
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2236[14:41:11] <debianfan2439> ratrace years ago i was able to do
so on ubuntu so i think its working in a way also in debian
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2238[14:41:30] <debianfan2439> but anyways, somehow the software
or better, the attacker, did it, however
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2239[14:41:38] <wxb> I see 'guided partition'
'RAID' 'LVM 'encrypted' and iSCSI (sorry
it's in French, not sure of translation for some things...)
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2240[14:41:40] <ratrace> debianfan2439: the only situation where
there IS a time limit is sudo, more precisely between two sudo runs
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2241[14:42:02] <ratrace> debianfan2439: there is no such thing, I
don't know what you're talking about, the password prompt
sits there indefinitely until you hit enter
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2243[14:42:14] <wxb> karlpinc, ext4
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2244[14:42:29] <jaakkos> What's the easiest way to get types
for debconf question values? debconf-show is a bit unhelpful because
it shows the values but in Ansible I would need to know the types.
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2245[14:42:32] <karlpinc> wxb: Hard to say. I install rarely and
poke it with a stick until it is like I like it. Do you know the
name of the partition you want to use?
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2246[14:42:32] <ratrace> debianfan2439: unless you mean ssh.....
yes, ssh will timeout if you don't supply the password fast
enough and that is configurable yes, but that's ssh
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2247[14:42:34] <debianfan2439> ratrace /etc/login.defs
LOGIN_TIMEOUT , thats what i meant
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2248[14:42:39] <debianfan2439> that must have changed
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2249[14:42:46] <debianfan2439> because normally thera re 60
seconds
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2250[14:42:48] <wxb> n°5
-
2251[14:43:14] <debianfan2439> maybe i can change this if i am on
my neighbours computer and connect the hdd
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2252[14:43:55] <karlpinc> wxb: You need to get to where it gives
you a list of your current partitions.
-
2253[14:43:58] <wxb> Like how can I get LVM LUKS on just that
partition of ext4 that I made.
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2254[14:44:03] <wxb> karlpinc, I'm there.
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2255[14:44:18] <ratrace> debianfan2439: no desktop? I thought you
were talking about the desktop
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2256[14:44:32] <karlpinc> wxb: So choose the partition and see
what type it has.
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2257[14:44:40] <wxb> karlpinc, it is ext4
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2258[14:44:48] <karlpinc> wxb: It needs to be LUKS.
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2259[14:44:53] <debianfan2439> no its a laptop
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2260[14:45:01] <wxb> karlpinc, How do I do that?
-
2261[14:45:05] <ratrace> debianfan2439: by "desktop" I
mean the desktop environment lol
-
2262[14:45:09] <debianfan2439> but i did expand the hdd already
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2263[14:45:12] <wxb> karlpinc, Do I select it?
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2264[14:45:18] <debianfan2439> ratrace no desktop environment
-
2265[14:45:21] <ratrace> debianfan2439: is the console the only
thing you have there?
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2266[14:45:21] <karlpinc> wxb: Dunno. There's some option
for choosing and changing. I'd presume you choose first, then
change.
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2267[14:45:26] <debianfan2439> ratrace yes
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2269[14:45:39] <debianfan2439> but this was desired from begin
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2270[14:45:42] <wxb> Oh, I selected it and it has no name...
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2271[14:45:46] <debianfan2439> its not only since i installed the
malware
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2272[14:45:57] <wxb> Can I name it whatever?
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2273[14:45:59] <ratrace> debianfan2439: what malware?
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2275[14:46:05] <karlpinc> wxb: It does not need a name, but
choose something sane.
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2276[14:46:17] <debianfan2439> ratrace i said that i did get
malware from a random user and i did install it
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2277[14:46:21] <ratrace> debianfan2439: what malware?
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2280[14:46:27] <debianfan2439> i dont know
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2281[14:46:41] <ratrace> debianfan2439: you installed it, surely
you must know what you thought you were installing?
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2283[14:46:58] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay named, now I choose 'use
as'...
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2284[14:47:00] <debianfan2439> ratrace he said that its against
dangerous super black trojan horses
-
2285[14:47:11] <debianfan2439> so i thought it were a anti
malware program
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2286[14:47:22] <karlpinc> wxb: Right.
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2287[14:47:24] <wxb> karlpinc, 'physical volume for
encyrption?'
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2288[14:47:26] <debianfan2439> but obviously it seems that he
masked it as anti malware program only
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2289[14:47:33] <ratrace> debianfan2439: how did you install it?
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2290[14:47:37] <karlpinc> wxb: Right.
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2291[14:47:51] <debianfan2439> ratrace it was a shell script so i
did with root rights ./program.sh
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2293[14:48:07] <annadane> our intrepid hero supposedly installed
debian from "some website" from someone he knows and
"got infected with malware that changed the BIOS"
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2294[14:48:08] <debianfan2439> and then, like i said, my computer
did automatically restart and then all was changed
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2295[14:48:13] <annadane> there, i've caught everyone up to
speed
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2296[14:48:19] <ratrace> debianfan2439: gesundheit. now,
"format C:" and reinstall debian
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2297[14:48:23] <wxb> karlpinc, Then I don't touch encyprtion
= aes, siz = 256, alorirthm = xts-plain64
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2298[14:48:46] <ratrace> annadane: possible, I suppose.
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2299[14:48:50] <karlpinc> wxb: Don't mess with it unless you
know what you're doing.
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2301[14:49:00] <debianfan2439> ratrace if this is a hint to that
i should use windows, no i dont want to use windows thank you
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2302[14:49:14] <debianfan2439> im here because i want to use
debia
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2303[14:49:18] <ratrace> debianfan2439: it's not.
"format C:" in quotes, I joked about format everything,
nuke & pave, reinstall
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2304[14:49:24] <wxb> karlpinc, So I'll add a passphrase. No
point in wiping the data? I mean, I'm keeping the original
Windows OS unencrypted, so no point.
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2306[14:49:51] <karlpinc> You need a passphrase. Don't lose
it. ...
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2307[14:49:52] <toruvinn> if i have an external mouse and
synaptic touchpad, is there a way to control their sensitivity
separately? the touchpad seems a bit slow atm. and i dont want to
just change the acceleration.
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2308[14:50:06] <wxb> karlpinc, It's not letting me add a
passphrase when I select that.
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2309[14:50:20] <karlpinc> wxb: You can add up to 7 other
passphrases later.
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2310[14:50:32] <wxb> karlpinc, So, for now don't touch it?
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2311[14:51:06] <wxb> karlpinc, Also, boot indicator, should I add
one?
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2312[14:51:36] <wxb> When will I add the passphrase? There is no
prompt for it!
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2313[14:51:41] <debianfan2439> ratrace maybe i have to do this if
the other thing will not work (if i connect now the hdd to my
neighbours computer and starting from live usb debian and then
looking at the compromised debian system ( on the hdd) like it was
suggest here, and then first i will look at the login.defs file if i
can just change the timemout so that i can login at
-
2314[14:51:41] <debianfan2439> least) and hhope that i get help
here what i can do else
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2315[14:51:44] <karlpinc> wxb: Wiping the data can be good for
security. If you write random data to the whole area then
there's no telling what data is random and what data is the
data you've written encrypted. But... completely filling a SSD
can be ungood, depending on the SSD.
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2316[14:52:06] <karlpinc> wxb: You'll probably add a
passphrase when you setup the encrypted volume for use.
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2317[14:52:41] <wxb> wxb, Re: wiping, the data is available in
the Windows side
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2318[14:52:43] <ratrace> debianfan2439: there's nothing you
can do. if you ARE compromised, you'll need forensic methods to
figure out what's infected and replace or clean it somehow. if
you aren't and someone played a joke on you, there's no
way to be 100% sure that's what happened.
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2321[14:52:59] <karlpinc> wxb: Also, it's boring to wait for
random data to be written.
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2325[14:53:20] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay. So I did the LUKS settings.
Now what should I do?
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2326[14:53:33] <wxb> Write the changes?
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2327[14:53:39] <ratrace> debianfan2439: the former is complicated
and expensive, and just reinstalling everything is the cheapest and
fastest method.
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2328[14:53:40] <debianfan2439> ratrace okay but maybe i can at
least make a back up from my data
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2329[14:53:45] <karlpinc> wxb: That the data is elsewhere is not
the point. (You can re-read my statement above.)
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2330[14:53:52] <ratrace> debianfan2439: sure, but you can't
trust that data not to be infected :)
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2331[14:53:53] <karlpinc> wxb: Yes. Write and keep going.
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2333[14:54:07] <debianfan2439> ratrace and if it is a plain text
file like my school stuff ?
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2334[14:54:08] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay, so will wipe data.
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2335[14:54:15] <ratrace> debianfan2439: then it's okay
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2338[14:54:30] <debianfan2439> okay so at least this i can safe
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2340[14:54:39] <ratrace> debianfan2439: but you can't trust
(word) documents, images, movies, PDFs, and especially not
executables
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2343[14:55:01] <debianfan2439> ratrace okay so only plain text
files i have many from then
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2344[14:55:07] <ratrace> any format that's not plain text,
or IS but contains code that some interpreter might run (like word
files even if in XML format)
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2345[14:55:29] <ratrace> you can't trust that, I mean. just
pure text with no control codes? sure, have at it.
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2346[14:55:34] <karlpinc> ratrace: You're right, but
there's a _really_ big difference between the executable
catagory and the rest of your list.
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2348[14:55:59] <ratrace> karlpinc: and PDFs and I've seen
infected word files in action :)
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2349[14:56:04] <wxb> karlpinc, So when will I do the swap and
else partitions?
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2351[14:56:41] <karlpinc> wxb: Next step is to put LVM on the
encrypted partition. Then you can create logical volumes (lvs) for
swap and /.
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2352[14:56:44] <wxb> Oh. Erroe message.
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2353[14:56:49] <wrksx> infected pdf? is that a thing? never
thought it could be
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2354[14:56:50] <wxb> No root system.
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2356[14:57:00] <ratrace> karlpinc: even font files and image
files, there's a load of "if malicious actor can submit a
crafted XY file" CVEs
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2359[14:57:42] <wrksx> and images damn
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2360[14:57:42] <karlpinc> wxb: That's ok. You need to go
back to your list of partitions. Now you will have a new one for
your encrypted partition and you need to pick that and work with it.
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2361[14:58:15] <ratrace> wrksx: here's a quick, recent,
linux-related example:
replaced-url
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2362[14:58:23] <wxb> karlpinc, But it won't even let me
write the changes.
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2363[14:58:23] <karlpinc> ratrace: Sure. Even html files
(probably) the glory days of MS Windows.
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2364[14:58:30] <wrksx> thx ratrace
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2365[14:58:56] <ratrace> wrksx: for images, there was this huge
GNOME thumbnailer bug that caused quite some mess and made GNOME
disable it by default, it also includd the ability to run windows
malware (sic!) via wine
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2366[14:59:27] <ratrace> karlpinc: yes if they contain
javascripts and whatever is opening that HTML goes "Oh, look!
Javascripts! Imma go and feed it into this interpreter
here...."
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2367[14:59:28] <karlpinc> wxb: Like I say, I poke it with a stick
until it works. Are you sure that the luks stuff is not setup?
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2368[15:00:02] <wxb> karlpinc, Yeah, I just selected the changes
to make and now it won't apply them.
-
2369[15:00:16] <karlpinc> wxb: What happens when you go to the
list of partitions?
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2370[15:00:35] <karlpinc> wxb: Do you have a luks container?
-
2371[15:00:48] <wxb> karlpinc, Nothing. It just shows everything
including the luks one, but I can't apply changes.
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2372[15:01:05] <ratrace> karlpinc: problem with non-executable
file infection is exploiting buffer overflows and friends, which
cause code execution within the privilege of the user opening the
file. you can literally inject cpu opcodes into strings for such
vulnerabilities.
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2374[15:01:09] <karlpinc> wxb: What happens when you choose the
luks one?
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2376[15:01:29] <wrksx> ratrace: that's terrifying
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2377[15:01:44] <wxb> karlpinc, Then I go back to everything I
just did: naming etc
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2378[15:01:45] <ratrace> karlpinc: bestest recent example is this
huge remote vuln for PHP, you could inject exec code through
malformed URL, if the server is running nginx+fpm with PATH_INFO set
up in a certain (most common!) way
-
2379[15:02:14] <ratrace> (thankfully that's not default on
debian, but still many PHP apps do that...)
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2380[15:02:19] <karlpinc> ratrace: Yes. But all that means is
that "software has vulnerabilties". This is not a reason
to be afraid of, say, image files. Just a reason to be cautious.
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2381[15:02:48] <debianfan2439> i did connect my hdd to a another
computer now. im on a debian live system and try to access my
compromised hdd from the debian live system. the hdd is encrypted
and i need to enter the passphrase
-
2382[15:02:58] <ratrace> karlpinc: sure sure, but the context
here is that debianfan2439 said they executed this trojan as root.
so, all bets are off as it really could be _anything_ and exploiting
any of the zero days in any shape or form.
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2383[15:02:59] <debianfan2439> but i did not encrypt my hdd, i
did never
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2385[15:03:21] <debianfan2439> so i can not think of the reason
why it is now encrypted
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2386[15:03:35] <wrksx> it self encrypted overnight (probably)
-
2387[15:03:36] <ratrace> karlpinc: that's what in infosec we
say that the "local attacker" is as good as remote
attacker, if there's physical access, and phishing someone to
in sudo program.sh your exec is as close as you get to that :)
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2389[15:04:04] <debianfan2439> wrksx this or the malicious
software i did install
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2390[15:04:04] <karlpinc> ratrace: Yes. And it does make sense to
point that out. But at some point, well, you want your word
processing document and the computer's really no good without
it. If you can't use your data why have a computer? That's
my point.
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2391[15:04:22] <wrksx> debianfan2439: looks like you can think of
a reason
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2393[15:04:47] <ratrace> karlpinc: I agree, I was just saying
that they can't trust their non-plain-text files. emphasis on
"trust".
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2394[15:05:13] <debianfan2439> so i have to erase my hdd and
install debian again ... i think
-
2395[15:05:22] <wxb> Is there a guide for this? I know I'm a
noob, but I feel like this shouldn't be so difficult... thanks
for all your help karlpinc
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2396[15:05:25] <karlpinc> wxb: Once you choose the LUKS one you
can do 2 things: make it an LVM volume or make a partition table and
put actual partitons on it. You don't want just "etc"
on it. There's a choice for LVM.
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2397[15:05:29] <ratrace> once the infection happens and it's
known to have happened, everyone will tell you just to reinstall as
you can never be sure there's nothing hiding somewhre in some
innocent looking file
-
2398[15:05:52] <ratrace> debianfan2439: that'd be the best
course of action, after you've mounted it on a machine and
copied off your text files
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2400[15:05:58] <karlpinc> ratrace: Yes. Reinstall is the only
sane way forward.
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2401[15:06:06] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: with an installer from
debian.org this time i hope ;)
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2405[15:06:47] <debianfan2439> can i do just0 dd of=/dev/sda
if=/dev/zero from my live system to erase the encrypted hdd or are
there more recommend ways ?
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2406[15:07:10] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: if it *is* sda, then
YES YOU CAN
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2407[15:07:24] <karlpinc> wxb: And yes. I find it a struggle each
time I do it. That's why the "guided" has a single
menu item for LUKS + LVM. But my guess is that this won't work
for you because you're keeping MS Windows, so you need to fuss
with the details.
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2408[15:07:30] <ratrace> debianfan2439: sure that's one way.
I'd also add a larger block size, eg bs=1M
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2410[15:07:42] <ratrace> debianfan2439: status=progress to see
the progress bar
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2411[15:08:04] <debianfan2439> can i do just0 dd of=/dev/sda
if=/dev/zero from my live system to erase the encrypted hdd or are
there more recommend ways ?
-
2412[15:08:05] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: No real reason to wipe
the disk. You could just re-install.
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2413[15:08:12] <debianfan2439> sorry
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2414[15:08:35] <debianfan2439> karlpinc what do you mean with re
installl?
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2415[15:08:48] <wrksx> omg
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2416[15:08:52] <wxb> karlpinc, I find it reassuring that I'm
not the only one who struggles here!
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2418[15:08:57] <debianfan2439> ratrace but i do not have to wait
the full progress or ? can i not just abort after 2 minutes ?
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2419[15:09:01] <bolt> debianfan2439: just use the disk for
whatever you want. there's no point erasing your encrypted data
before doing so
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2420[15:09:03] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: There'd be
potentially malicious stuff in the bits on the drive, but the OS
would not use them for anything but space to overwrite.
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2421[15:09:10] <ratrace> personally, I'd satisfy my OCD and
paranoia and I'd wipe that drive out :)
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2422[15:09:16] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay. Well, I found the option to
encrypt that part.
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2423[15:09:19] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: Boot up the install
media and go through the installation process.
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2424[15:09:34] <wxb> It's writing over with randomness. Then
I'll do LVM I guess.
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2425[15:09:40] <debianfan2439> karlpinc so this is the way to
install debian, and what did you mean with reinstall debian ?
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2427[15:09:48] <karlpinc> ratrace: That does have a certain
feeling of satisfaction.
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2428[15:09:53] <Ede|Popede> ratrace: right, it's a
psychological thing. still may be of help ;)
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2430[15:10:12] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: You install debian by
running the installer.
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2434[15:10:20] <karlpinc> !tell debianfan2439 about firmware
images
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2435[15:10:21] <Ede|Popede> and give the user some time to think
about what went wrong and why
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2436[15:10:27] <debianfan2439> karlpinc i know, i did think that
you mean with reinstall debian something else
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2437[15:10:47] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: Nothing else.
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2438[15:10:53] <debianfan2439> okay then good
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2440[15:11:28] <karlpinc> wxb: I suspect it will ask for a
passphrase when done writing randomness.
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2441[15:11:36] <debianfan2439> is this a uncompromised offical
debian image
replaced-url
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2442[15:11:42] <debianfan2439> i want to do it in a right way now
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2443[15:11:54] <wxb> karlpinc, 33% ... okay :)
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2444[15:12:08] <wxb> debianfan2439, Look at the sha512 sums.
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2446[15:12:19] <debianfan2439> okay, only 512 ?
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2447[15:12:20] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: should be if this is
an offichial repo (and it looks like one)
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2448[15:12:23] <debianfan2439> or should i check all
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2449[15:12:43] <Ede|Popede> sha512 only should be fine
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2450[15:12:44] <wxb> debianfan2439, I think one is enough, but
not sure....
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2451[15:12:50] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: It is probably best to
use the unoffical installer that has non-free firmware built-in.
That way your hardware is more likely to "just work"
without fussing. I had the bot private message you with the url.
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2452[15:13:27] <debianfan2439> karlpinc but i dont want non-free
firmware, i did use the normal image and my system worked fine,
ffrom a hardware perspective
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2453[15:13:32] <debianfan2439> i didnt need nonfree firmware
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2454[15:13:43] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: If you want to be really
paranoid, get the sha512 data from a different debian mirror. That
way both would have to be compromised (or your network connection
completely pwoned.)
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2455[15:14:03] <annadane> 512?! fancy fancy
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2456[15:14:18] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: Understood. If you
don't need it it won't install. It's a safey net.
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2458[15:14:25] <debianfan2439> karlpinc and if i check the sha512
data, does this mean that the image is 100% not compromised? or do i
have to check the signaturre also
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2461[15:15:24] <ratrace> there's also the way of verifying
the GPG signature of the checksums file :) (for the extra paranoid)
you'd need a working, known not to be compromised, debian
installation first :)
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2463[15:15:48] <wxb> ratrace, Wooww life sound difficult for such
a person!
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2464[15:15:49] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: You check your
downloaded installer against the sha512 you also download. If they
match then they are either both good or both compromised.
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2465[15:15:52] <debianfan2439> ratrace cant i do it from a debian
live sytem?
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2466[15:16:26] <wxb> karlpinc, Both compromised!! Scary world out
there. I didn't know that. Here I've naively check sums
for years.
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2467[15:16:35] <ratrace> debianfan2439: yes if the debian gpg
keys are installed, and I think they are if that's debian
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2468[15:16:36] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: Sure you can. (But how
do you know that your debian live is not compromised? ;-)
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2470[15:16:46] <wxb> On ##windows that said sums weren't
needed because there is https. lol
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2472[15:17:29] <Mathisen> wxb, no one ever said that
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2473[15:17:46] <debianfan2439> its debian live standard buster so
i hope the gpg keys are installed otherwhise wouldnt they install it
if i install debian keyring?
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2474[15:17:47] <ratrace> wouldn't surprise me if they did :)
hashtag oh-windows :)
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2475[15:17:50] <debianfan2439> or is this a other thing
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2476[15:18:17] <debianfan2439> i mean the packet
"debian-keyring"
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2478[15:18:23] <karlpinc> wxb: It all depends on what got
compromised. If the debian infrastructure somehow got compromised
then all the mirrors could contain bad data. This is why phsycial
meetup is required to become a debian developer, who is able to then
work on the infrastructure.
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2480[15:18:41] <wxb> Mathisen, Yes, I was asking about the sum
for the Aomei thing and was told that it was probs fine because
there is https. Seems kinda sketchy to me.
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2481[15:19:44] <Mathisen> and you was told to go to the software
in questions site so see if they posted hashes
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2482[15:19:54] <greycat> Physical meet-up is required for
exchanging crypto signature keys. So person A can say "I trust
that this key was given to me by person B", and sign it.
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2483[15:19:55] <karlpinc> wxb: Depends on the threat model.
It's a lot easier to give some admin a candy bar for their
password than to break https.
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2485[15:20:57] <karlpinc> wxb: Done?
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2486[15:21:11] <wxb> karlpinc, Nope, not yet.
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2489[15:22:43] <debianfan2439> the debian image is downloading
very slow (400KB/s) is this normal?
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2490[15:22:51] <debianfan2439> or maybe someone is compromising
my image at the moment ??
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2491[15:22:59] <wxb> Mathisen, "go to the website and find
out.. or contact them" if one has to contact someone just for
the sums on their software there is probs a security oversight.
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2492[15:23:00] <wxb> lol
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2494[15:23:07] <debianfan2439> on of my neighbour i believe that
he is sometimes in my wifi network
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2495[15:23:13] <debianfan2439> but i cant proof it
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2496[15:23:32] <debianfan2439> its just a feeling he is always at
home and have much computers in his appartment
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2497[15:23:41] <wrksx> debianfan2439: you sound so paranoid
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2498[15:23:52] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: why would you trust your
neighbor with hardware then?
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2501[15:24:02] <debianfan2439> wasamasa this is another neighbour
...
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2502[15:24:03] <debianfan2439> not the same
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2503[15:24:21] <greycat> wrksx: a few of us suspect that
debianfan2439 is also cinesc who is also waka-something, who has
been pestering this channel with "how do I security" for a
week
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2504[15:24:31] <debianfan2439> god i would never ask this one
neighbour about hardware.. who knows what he did with this hardware
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2505[15:24:40] <ratrace> wrksx: yup what greycat said
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2506[15:24:43] <wrksx> greycat: haha
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2507[15:24:47] <wasamasa> greycat: now ##security as well, with a
greater focus on hardware vulnerabilities
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2508[15:24:56] <wasamasa> greycat: quite the obsession with
spectre and meltdown
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2511[15:25:38] <karlpinc> Face it, your UEFI could be doing
almost anything and you wouldn't know.
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2512[15:25:46] <wasamasa> exactly
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2514[15:25:55] <wasamasa> paranoia is a helluvadrug
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2515[15:26:04] <ratrace> unfortunate reality, and let's not
forget there's a whole MINIX stashed away into that IME chip!
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2516[15:26:08] <debianfan2439> the debian iso is downloaded and
the both hashes are the same, but it did think what if the program
with which i check the checksums hashes are not working properly ?
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2517[15:26:18] <debianfan2439> how can i be sure that the program
is working fine
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2519[15:26:36] <debianfan2439> is there a program for?
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2520[15:26:44] <wasamasa> you can't
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2521[15:26:46] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: Study up on the math and
read the source code and check it.
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2522[15:26:49] <wasamasa> that's the great part of paranoia
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2523[15:27:03] <ratrace> +1
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2524[15:27:23] <wasamasa> I prefer some applied mathematics to
figure out how likely it is that someone would deliberately mess
with the copy of sha512sum on a debian image
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2525[15:27:29] <debianfan2439> i think i have to trust the debian
worker that they did a good job in programming the program
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2526[15:27:42] <debianfan2439> i did read that debian is one of
the most stabile distros so i hope its fine
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2527[15:28:03] <wxb> karlpinc, Not yet!
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2528[15:28:09] <wxb> karlpinc, 99%...
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2531[15:28:16] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: it's part of
coreutils, so you have to trust the GNU developers
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2532[15:28:27] <ratrace> wasamasa: sure, it'd be FAR easier
to submit innocent looking cleanup of the OpenSSL code :) :))))
:))))))))))))
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2533[15:28:38] <debianfan2439> wasamasa okey then i hope they did
a good job
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2534[15:28:44] <greycat> :-/
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2535[15:28:52] <ratrace> I know it wasn't malicious, but
that's irrelevant, given how easy that bug crept in and was
affecting live systems
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2536[15:28:54] <wasamasa> I wouldn't be so sure, personally
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2537[15:29:03] <debianfan2439> wasamasa do you not use debia also
?
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2538[15:29:11] <wrksx> debianfan2439: of course they did. The
issue is, do you have the sofware they wrote, or your
neighbour's?
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2539[15:29:17] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: nearly all linux systems
use coreutils
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2543[15:29:36] <annadane> i'm sure openssl has
49589584056849857947598478475 backdoors
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2544[15:29:48] <annadane> sorry, forgot to carry the 1
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2545[15:29:49] <greycat> There's libressl if you prefer.
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2546[15:29:56] <karlpinc> annadane: Libressl then ;-)
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2548[15:30:17] <ratrace> good luck with libressl though :)
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2549[15:30:17] <annadane> i'm mostly joking, i'm sure
openssl got cleaned up a lot since heartbleed
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2550[15:30:19] <debianfan2439> wrksx this is a good question i
did have the thought already but i dont want to ring on is door to
see if he is there at the moment because he have no car so i can not
be sure
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2552[15:30:38] <wasamasa> considering how often the GNU
developers like breaking their software, I wouldn't be
surprised
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2554[15:30:43] <debianfan2439> maybe he have a program that does
this process autoomatically
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2555[15:30:45] <wrksx> maybe checksum checksum just in case
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2556[15:30:46] <wasamasa> fortunately there's plenty
alternative implementations of sha512
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2557[15:30:56] <ratrace> BY TEH WAY... I was talking about the
OpenSSL bug specific to Debian, when the maintainer thought they
were optimizing the code and reduced OpenSSH's key space to
merely 65k
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2558[15:30:57] <wasamasa> you can just compare their outputs to
satisfy that paranoia of yours
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2559[15:31:07] <greycat> ratrace: yes, I understood it
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2560[15:31:11] <ratrace> oh, okay :)
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2561[15:31:20] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay. Done the LUKS part of it.
Now I do LVM?
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2562[15:31:22] <wasamasa> ratrace: such are security bugs, subtle
in their nature
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2563[15:31:44] <karlpinc> wxb: Now you should have a new LVM
section on the partition page. You choose it an put LVM on.
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2564[15:32:05] <ratrace> so if happy accidents happen that
easily.... I can only wonder what deliberate mistakes can do
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2565[15:32:12] <RoyK> ratrace: which bug was this?
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2567[15:32:25] <debianfan2439> wasamasa i did change all hashes
from md5 to sha512 and all were fine i did use multiple mirrors and
not only one and always over https.. i will write the md5 hash on a
paper and then later i will check the hash from the new system too
so i hope i get a little more security
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2569[15:32:41] <greycat> ,v openssh-blacklist
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2570[15:32:42] <judd> Package: openssh-blacklist on amd64 --
jessie: 0.4.1+nmu1
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2571[15:32:44] <debianfan2439> and then i will check it again if
my neighbour is at the moemtn not here
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2572[15:32:47] <ratrace> RoyK:
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2573[15:32:52] <greycat> ,info openssh-blacklist --release jessie
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2574[15:32:53] <judd> Package openssh-blacklist (net, optional)
in jessie/amd64: list of default blacklisted OpenSSH RSA and DSA
keys. Version: 0.4.1+nmu1; Size: 1791.8k; Installed: 4064k
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2575[15:33:06] <greycat> That was done as fallout from the
bug....
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2576[15:33:13] <wxb> karlpinc, Is that the 'manage the LVM
option just above the LUKS option that I just ran?
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2577[15:33:16] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: we can't help you
with paranoia, for that I'd recommend visiting a doctor
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2578[15:33:16] <ratrace> oh look I was wrong, 32k keysize, not
65k
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2579[15:33:23] <ratrace> key space*
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2580[15:33:27] <karlpinc> wxb: Probably.
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2582[15:34:02] <annadane> it's funny because with the whole
openssl thing having 6 trillion lines of code there *actually* is
reason for paranoia :P
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2583[15:34:11] <ratrace> annadane: heh yeah
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2584[15:34:33] <humpled> but paranoia is not reason
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2585[15:34:36] <RoyK> ratrace: oh - only 11 years old…
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2586[15:34:40] <greycat> Yeah, I absolutely understand why the
OpenBSD folks started the LibreSSL rewrite.
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2587[15:34:41] <annadane> paranoids are excessively paranoid...
until they're not
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2588[15:34:59] <wrksx> debianfan2439: it doesn't matter if
he's home or not
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2589[15:35:00] <ratrace> RoyK: doesn't matter, it's a
good example how good will and a bit of tinkering can cause huge
mess
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2590[15:35:16] <ratrace> RoyK: problem being code review,
everywhere, not just in this example
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2591[15:35:17] <karlpinc> wxb: You'll need to do _something_
to tell it that the LUKS space is to be used for LVM. I don't
know if you choose the LUKS section to do this or if you've
done that or if the lvm section does that.
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2592[15:35:17] <wxb> karlpinc, Do I great a volume groupe??
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2593[15:35:18] <annadane> i'll still use linux but mad
respect for the openbsd's of this world
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2594[15:35:29] <karlpinc> wxb: Looks like you made progress.
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2595[15:35:30] <debianfan2439> wrksx you have right ... i will
turn of the wifi for this purpose and use lan
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2597[15:35:39] <wxb> *create
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2598[15:35:40] <karlpinc> wxb: Yes. Once you have a pv you make a
vg (volume group).
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2599[15:35:46] <karlpinc> wxb: You only need one.
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2600[15:35:50] * RoyK uninstalls ssh and goes back to telnet
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2601[15:35:50] <wxb> karlpinc, I name it?
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2602[15:36:07] <karlpinc> wxb: Yes. The default name is often
good.
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2603[15:36:21] <ratrace> RoyK: you can't exploit code
that's not there! smart :)))
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2606[15:37:41] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay, so now I apply that change?
It's saying that there is 0 free pv; 1 used pv; 1vg, 0 vl
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2607[15:38:02] <karlpinc> wxb: (The point of the vg is to be able
to move vgs between pvs, so as to be able to swap out or move to
different physical disks.)
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2609[15:38:13] <karlpinc> wxb: Sounds good.
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2613[15:39:15] <wxb> karlpinc, I added a logical volume, because
there wasn't one. Good idea?
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2614[15:39:17] <debianfan2439> i did read that usb sticks can
have malicious firmware. if i use a cd-r, are there also concerns ?
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2615[15:39:28] <wxb> Now I have 1 pv, 1 vg, 1 logical volume
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2616[15:39:31] <karlpinc> wxb: Then 2 lvs -- one for swap and one
for /. (the latter for your files.)
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2617[15:39:41] <wxb> lvs??
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2618[15:39:51] <wxb> logical volume sysytem?
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2619[15:39:52] <karlpinc> logical volumes.
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2620[15:39:55] <wxb> oka
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2621[15:39:56] <wxb> y
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2624[15:40:12] <karlpinc> wxb: How much ram do you have?
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2625[15:40:24] <wxb> So I need two vg then too, no?
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2626[15:40:29] <wxb> karlpinc, 4G I think
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2627[15:40:37] <karlpinc> wxb: No. one vg
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2630[15:41:03] <wxb> But I cannot add a second lvs in it...
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2631[15:41:08] <karlpinc> wxb: If you've got enough disk,
then 1G of swap might be good.
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2634[15:41:22] <karlpinc> wxb: Yes you can, unless you used all
the space already.
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2637[15:42:19] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay. It think that the lv was too
big. So I create first a 1G swap, and then I create the else one?
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2639[15:42:51] <karlpinc> wxb: Sure. You might want to leave some
unallocated space that you can use later if the disk fills. Or not.
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2642[15:43:27] <karlpinc> wxb: The point of lvm is to be able to
easily add/remove space from partitions, and therefore from file
systems etc.
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2643[15:43:43] <greycat> Easily add. Not so easily remove.
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2644[15:43:48] <karlpinc> wxb: Or that's _a_ point, and the
most commonly used feature.
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2646[15:44:27] <wxb> Okay. So 1pv, 1 vg, 2 vg: 1024MB swap 31000
else. Good?
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2647[15:44:39] <karlpinc> Right. Adding is easier than removing.
Which is why sometimes there's extra space left for the future.
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2649[15:45:08] <wxb> karlpinc, I dunno, shouldn't I use all
the space seeing as I only hae 30G to work with?
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2651[15:45:41] <karlpinc> wxb: Yes.... You can use all the space.
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2652[15:45:52] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay, going for finish.
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2656[15:47:21] <wxb> karlpinc, Now I have to define swap, no?
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2657[15:47:48] <karlpinc> wxb: Now the 2 lvs will show in the
list of partitions.
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2658[15:47:57] <wxb> karlpinc, Ohhhh. Cool!
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2659[15:48:06] <karlpinc> wxb: You tell the system one is for
swap and the other is ext4 for /.
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2660[15:48:10] <wxb> karlpinc, Use as swap
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2662[15:48:44] <wxb> Is it a problem that the swap one is showing
up AFTER the other one?
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2663[15:48:52] <karlpinc> wxb: No.
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2664[15:49:06] <wxb> mount point = / ?
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2665[15:49:20] <karlpinc> wxb: For the data partition, yes.
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2666[15:49:20] <wxb> And keep other defaults?
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2668[15:49:28] <ratrace> wxb: is that a hdd or an ssd?
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2670[15:49:31] <wxb> right for bigger 'other' one. ssd
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2671[15:49:41] * karlpinc is now nervous that there's not a
separate boot partition.
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2672[15:49:42] <ratrace> no problem then
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2673[15:49:54] <wxb> karlpinc, Oh
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2674[15:50:06] <wxb> oops
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2675[15:50:08] <ratrace> encrypted /boot is supported though
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2676[15:50:10] <wxb> Hmmmm.
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2677[15:50:20] <wxb> So I need to start over??
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2678[15:50:52] <karlpinc> wxb: No. ratrace says encrypted /boot
is supported. Which is good. I _thought_ so, but haven't done
it.
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2680[15:51:12] <wxb> So I have to add a third lvs?
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2681[15:51:19] <karlpinc> wxb: No. All is good.
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2682[15:51:27] <wxb> Okay. Sorry. Thanks!
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2684[15:51:44] <ratrace> I did it once, few years ago, took me a
while to pin point exact option needed in /etc/defaults/grub. But I
don't bother these days, I use separate /boot
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2685[15:51:48] <karlpinc> wxb: You'd have to add another
regular partition, "next to" the LUKS partition, to have
an unencrypted /boot.
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2686[15:52:01] <karlpinc> ratrace: What do you recommend?
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2687[15:52:14] <wxb> So I have the partition table done. With
swap and else LUKsed and so now I continue the install?
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2688[15:52:33] <tsglove> I am trying to use inotifywait. My short
script is at this link. When I modify a file inside the directory,
inotifywait does "raise the flag" that it was modified.
Yet the action I placed there never happens. Any idea what could be
going on? script -->
replaced-url
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2689[15:52:56] <ratrace> karlpinc: I use LUKS just to protect
data at rest, so I don't care about encrypting /boot. So
it's really what the user wants. I'd recommend either way.
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2690[15:53:15] <debianfan2439> why there is no firewall during
the debian installation progress with the debian netinst iso image?
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2691[15:53:40] <karlpinc> wxb: So to have an unencrypted /boot
you'd have to start over and remove the LUKS partition and make
2 instead. A teeny one for boot and another for LUKS. And then redo
all the LUKS stuff etc. At this point I'd say try to make it
work as-is. You can always reinstall if nobody here can figure it
out.
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2692[15:53:42] <ratrace> karlpinc: thing is I did encrypted /boot
once, and there was no support in the installer for it, I had to
manually fix grub config. Dunno if that's the case today, or it
JustWorks(tm)
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2694[15:54:12] <wxb> Okay... what is the issue?
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2695[15:54:15] <ratrace> debianfan2439: what would the firewall
change?
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2696[15:54:21] <jhutchins_wk> karlpinc: Because on-system
firewalls are pointless.
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2697[15:54:44] <annadane> i don't think debian even has a
firewall set up by default at all
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2698[15:54:44] <karlpinc> wxb: My recommendation is to do a
minimal install. No "desktop" task to install a gui etc.
Once you get it to boot run "tasksel" as root and install
your desktop of choice.
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2699[15:54:47] <annadane> i could be wrong
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2701[15:55:02] <ratrace> annadane: you're right, it
doesn't as there can't be a default.
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2702[15:55:06] <annadane> it has apparmor, which is a different
thing
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2703[15:55:16] <wxb> karlpinc, But with what ratrace is saying
will I have boot issues?
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2705[15:55:40] <karlpinc> wxb: I say "let's find
out". If so, only until you fix them.
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2706[15:55:51] <debianfan2439> is it possible to configure
iptables during the installation?
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2707[15:55:59] <wxb> karlpinc, Oh. I see that I haven't
applied the changes yet... should I cancel them all?
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2708[15:56:01] <debianfan2439> to build a firewall
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2709[15:56:04] <karlpinc> wxb: Unless you want to redo. Up to
you.
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2711[15:56:23] <wxb> Whateves, here goes.
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2713[15:56:29] <annadane>
replaced-url
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2714[15:56:41] <wxb> Installing sytem.
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2715[15:56:47] <karlpinc> wxb: Installing a minimal system will
take a minimal amount of time.
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2716[15:56:54] <wxb> karlpinc, lol
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2719[15:57:04] <debianfan2439> annadane what is this video about,
is this about building a firewall during the installation progress ?
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2720[15:57:12] <annadane> no, it's just a stupid anime clip
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2721[15:57:13] <ratrace> wxb: if you wanna find out, go ahead and
before you finally reboot, see if you can peek into the mounted
root's /etc/default/grub and check if it contains
GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y . Unless I'm mistaken that's the
only thing needed to trigger grub to config itself for encrypted
/boot. Back when I was trying that, this one-liner was hard to
figure out :)
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2722[15:57:17] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: configuring a firewall
requires a certain level of competency
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2723[15:57:32] <debianfan2439> wasamasa i want to only allow
connections to the debian mirror
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2724[15:57:37] <debianfan2439> can you help me with that
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2726[15:57:47] <wasamasa> nope
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2727[15:57:52] <ratrace> debianfan2439: you don't need a
firewall during installation. what do you think that firewall would
protect?
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2728[15:58:10] <ratrace> debianfan2439: there aren't any
services running thus no open ports, so what would you wall off?
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2729[15:58:24] <wasamasa> malicious programs trying to talk with
shady hackers via smtp
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2730[15:58:30] <karlpinc> wxb: You can tell the installer to give
you a shell -- or just use a vt -- to check like ratrace recommends.
(I'd write down what he wrote, to have for later. That'd
be the key to fixing a boot problem.)
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2731[15:58:35] <wasamasa> isn't that what we were building
up to?
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2733[15:59:07] <karlpinc> wasamasa: I do like default-deny.
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2734[15:59:32] <wasamasa> sure, but that requires some competency
to be configured correctly for the many things that you need to work
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2736[16:00:29] <ratrace> but again, what would the firewall on
the installer ISO, wall off?
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2737[16:00:56] <debianfan2439> ratrace i want that my debian
installation becomes not compromised when im connecting to the
internet to install software during the installation i mean what if
the system that i have during the installation is not up to date and
then i connect to the internet with a not up to date system
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2739[16:01:11] <ratrace> debianfan2439: a firewall won't
help you with that, bud
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2740[16:01:13] <debianfan2439> would this not maximize the
possibility of compromising
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2741[16:01:26] <debianfan2439> minimize
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2743[16:01:31] <karlpinc> wasamasa: Agreed. I'm wondering
now whether to start allowing outbound QUIC etc. I suppose no reason
why not...
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2744[16:01:39] <annadane> no. just install the damn thing.
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2745[16:01:40] <ratrace> no. a "firewall" is just a
packet filter, and it makes sense only to protect open ports. if no
ports are open, what's the use of the firewall?
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2746[16:01:48] <wasamasa> if your system is not up to date and
connecting to the internet kills it, you're fucked anyway
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2747[16:01:51] <ectospasm> debianfan2439: iptables -A -d <IP
address of mirror> -j ACCEPT
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2751[16:02:05] <ectospasm> debianfan2439: then `iptables -A
OUTPUT -j DROP`
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2752[16:02:07] <annadane> which you can't do *during the
install*...
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2753[16:02:08] <wasamasa> I remember some distro-specific bugs in
package managers
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2754[16:02:20] <ratrace> debianfan2439: also, here's
something to inflame your paranoia further. even if you had DENY ALL
packet filter in place, a kernel vuln in tcp stack could _still_
open you op for an RCE
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2755[16:02:20] <wasamasa> they require of course that you connect
to a compromised package archive
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2756[16:03:22] <ratrace> ectospasm: and what about the INPUT
chain?
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2757[16:03:23] <debianfan2439> ratrace and if i would have
another computer with openbsd which is knowed to work good as
firewall and then let debian connect through the openbsd firewall to
the internet
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2758[16:03:25] <ectospasm> Not sure that's the wisest idea,
but that's one way to do it.
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2759[16:03:29] <debianfan2439> then it would be not a problem or
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2760[16:03:36] <debianfan2439> just if openbsd would also have
bugs
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2761[16:03:41] <ratrace> debianfan2439: it wouldn't change
anything
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2762[16:03:44] <wasamasa> openbsd still requires competency to be
used correctly
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2763[16:04:04] <wasamasa> out of the box it's not terribly
useful either
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2764[16:04:06] <debianfan2439> maybe you are right i can not do
this anyways
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2765[16:04:15] <ratrace> firewalls don't prevent malware
from getting through, they only filter packets and are useful to
block off unused ports in case a service, malicious or otherwise,
wants to listen on a port
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2766[16:04:18] <wasamasa> some people go as far as telling me
that it's actively user-hostile in the name of security
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2767[16:04:21] <debianfan2439> i will just install normally and
hope nobody does compromise me at this time
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2768[16:04:34] <wasamasa> there is no replacement for a well
working brain.exe
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2769[16:04:38] <wxb> FYI I mentioned some things about
Windows's absence of SUMS. I just got muted in their chanel for
that! True story.
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2771[16:04:52] <ratrace> that's why a "firewall"
is a stupid name. it's a packet filter. now, there's a
WAF, "Application FireWall" that's something
completely different and more useful in blocking malware....
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2772[16:04:53] <ectospasm> ratrace: I assume the default would be
`iptables -A INPUT -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT`, but IIRC
that should already be in there by default.
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2773[16:05:06] <ratrace> ectospasm: there is no default with
iptables
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2774[16:05:15] <wasamasa> especially not in the form of some
malware protection promising you to solve all of your problems
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2777[16:06:39] <ellyjones> hello debian folks! I am a chromium
developer and I am curious if there is something preventing debian
upgrading chromium past 76 (replaced-url
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2778[16:07:00] <karlpinc> wxb: People will ignore you if your
antagonistic. And especially if antagonastic about something you
don't know much about. E.g. .debs are signed so sums are
unnecessary.
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2779[16:07:21] <annadane> are they? i tend to validate my images
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2780[16:07:23] <debianfan2439> is it useful to use full disk
encryption for my new debian syste
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2782[16:07:40] <ectospasm> debianfan2439: depends on your use
case.
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2783[16:07:44] <ratrace> ellyjones: yes, your mini-operating
system lacking a good browser :)
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2784[16:07:52] <wxb> karlpinc, I was muted though. Seems kinda
surveillance-state extreme.
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2785[16:07:53] <karlpinc> annadane: images yes, packages no.
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2786[16:07:54] <ratrace> (aka "chromium")
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2787[16:08:01] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: i see lots of
questions recently. write them down, or whatever comes to your mind.
research it later. and for things like the usb firmware you could
read, say, the heiseticker (at least scroll through their security
department), also there are a lot of blogs from competent people.
your situation regarding this won't change as long as you
don't have at least a basic understandment what's going
on.
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2788[16:08:03] <jelly> ellyjones: this is primarily an end-user
focused channel. If you want to ask for showstoppers and maybe,
dunno, offer help, try #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net (=
irc.debian.org)
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2789[16:08:04] <debianfan2439> ectospasm i want to use the system
for personall
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2791[16:08:16] <ellyjones> jelly: got it - yes, I was hoping to
offer help :)
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2793[16:09:15] <ectospasm> debianfan2439: that is a very broad
use case. full disk encryption(FDE) can be a hassle, and more work
than its worth if the value of the system you're protecting
isn't that high.
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2794[16:09:30] <debianfan2439> Ede|Popede i can not follow what
you mean
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2795[16:09:34] <wasamasa> it's useful as theft protection
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2797[16:09:49] <ectospasm> My use case, for my laptop, is that
FDE provides some protection for someone stealing it.
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2798[16:09:55] <ratrace> ectospasm: it's literally a click
of a checkbox in the installer
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2799[16:10:06] <ratrace> assuming the user is fully aware of what
FDE does and what it does NOT protect.
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2800[16:10:34] <ectospasm> ratrace: I haven't installed
Debian with FDE in a while, so I don't remember.
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2803[16:10:57] <ectospasm> But you have to have a way to unlock
it, and I'd be surprised if that's just a checkbox in the
installer.
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2805[16:11:13] <ectospasm> Maybe it prompts you for the method,
that's probably likely.
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2806[16:11:20] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: you had a lot of
questions and concerns regarding security. too much to answer it on
irc, you definitely have to read on it later if you want useful
answers which make sense. so even if you get a short answer NOW, do
write it down and get informed on the web when you got your system
running.
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2807[16:11:22] <debianfan2439> does fde mean also grub encryption
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2810[16:11:48] <debianfan2439> Ede|Popede i will note the answers
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2811[16:11:51] <ectospasm> debianfan2439: it can, depending on
how you set it up.
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2812[16:11:57] <ratrace> ectospasm: there's only one method
supported, LUKS. yeah, it asks for the passphrase :)
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2813[16:12:00] <debianfan2439> Ede|Popede i mean i will copy the
history
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2814[16:12:17] <debianfan2439> ectospasm is it possible to
encrypt grup during the installation?
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2815[16:12:18] <ectospasm> ratrace: so you can't supply a
key file through the installer? Bummer.
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2816[16:12:42] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay. So don't need the DE
nor XFCE, jus the utils?
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2817[16:12:46] <ectospasm> debianfan2439: I'm not familiar
enough with Buster installation to be able to answer this question
accurately.
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2818[16:12:49] <ratrace> ectospasm: yeah I don't think you
can
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2819[16:13:02] <jhutchins_wk> debianfan2439: What makes you think
a system you're installing has a public IP exposed to the
internet and exploitable services running during install?
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2820[16:13:04] <debianfan2439> ectospasm is there a different in
buster and stretch installtion ?
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2821[16:13:05] <karlpinc> The point is, we are not here to
provide compsci/security education but to help with specific
problems. Plugging up the channel with generic information prevents
other from getting the help they need.
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2823[16:13:15] <ratrace> I mean it's still doable, if you
manually prepare the LUKS container before the partitioning stage
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2825[16:13:23] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: the boot partition
containing grub remains unencrypted as it needs to be read by your
computer to boot
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2826[16:13:31] <debianfan2439> jhutchins it is just because i
have a low knowledge and i didnt know it better
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2827[16:13:37] <ectospasm> debianfan2439: again, I haven't
used the Debian installer in quite a while. The last time I
installed Debian through the installer was in Jessie (or earlier).
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2828[16:13:38] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: there are rather
involved ways around this
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2829[16:13:44] <karlpinc> wxb: Right. Maybe not even the utils,
although that's up to you. Depends on what the system is for.
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2831[16:13:58] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: it contains your kernel,
too, so someone with physical access to your computer can mess with
it
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2832[16:14:04] <ratrace> wasamasa: altough /boot can be encrypted
and the bios_boot grub stage can work with that
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2833[16:14:12] <wxb> karlpinc, I'm doing the minimal install
you recommended.
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2835[16:14:18] <karlpinc> wxb: Got it.
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2837[16:14:23] <ratrace> *bios_grub
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2838[16:14:32] <annadane> i do understand the questions. but do
understand that nothing is ever truly secure, most people are fine
with general best practices and common sense, unless you have 3
letter agencies after you
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2840[16:14:52] <annadane> 'firewall' and
'antivirus' as necessity is really a windows thing
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2841[16:14:57] <ectospasm> debianfan2439: I have had a system (I
believe it was Arch) with FDE (including /boot partition), but
I'm not sure that's possible now with the EFI partition
having to be vfat. YMMV.
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2842[16:15:03] <karlpinc> wxb: (Remember "tasksel" is
the program to use to install huge hunks of debian. It's what
the installer uses when it asks you the questions about what to
install.)
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2845[16:17:33] <debianfan2439> what is the first thing i should
do on a fresh new installted debian system
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2846[16:17:46] <colo-work> Smile upon it.
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2847[16:18:02] <karlpinc> wxb: Looking at the tasksel choices, if
you have a laptop you may as well install the laptop stuff. I
don't know what they do but laptops can be picky and maybe some
of that stuff is really really useful.
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2849[16:18:27] <debianfan2439> colo-work i mean in a security
sense
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2850[16:18:29] <karlpinc> debianfan2439: Everyone has s different
list.
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2851[16:19:07] <annadane> just avoid root when it's not
necessary, don't do things you don't understand, avoid
breaking debian (wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian)
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2852[16:19:44] <annadane> subscribe to
debian-announce@lists.debian.org and
debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org, i personally use
package-update-indicator to physically tell me about updates
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2853[16:20:15] <annadane> sacrifice a virgin, and do a ritual
dance
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2854[16:20:34] <debianfan2439> i did not know about the program i
think it was not there in stretch version
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2855[16:20:50] <debianfan2439> i will install it on my system
after i did install the updates
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2857[16:20:51] <annadane> it was but it had a different name iirc
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2859[16:21:20] <wxb> Oh. no. issues.
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2863[16:21:32] <debianfan2439> works this also on tty console
without desktop environment
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2864[16:22:17] <wxb> I tied to go back in the menu to the install
step. And now it's asking me to insert the media Debian. But
it's still plugged in!
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2865[16:22:53] <crivrc> annadane: that's a great page in the
debian wiki, thanks!
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2866[16:23:11] <annadane> if you know absolutely nothing about
debian read that first
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2867[16:23:18] <annadane> the rest of it is just adapting over
time
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2868[16:23:45] <karlpinc> wxb: How far did it get? Worse case,
reboot and you can skip over the menu items if you're in
"expert" mode and just continue from where you left off.
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2869[16:23:47] <wxb> It's stuck now....
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2871[16:24:30] <karlpinc> wxb: The vts probably have some
information.
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2872[16:24:40] <debianfan2439> i think its only for graphical not
command line if im right because there is a screenshot with a
graphial desktop
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2873[16:24:42] <karlpinc> wxb: There's a vt that shows the
log.
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2874[16:24:58] <wxb> Sigh. I don't get it. It was at the end
of installing all the stuff and now it's stuck.
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2875[16:25:25] <karlpinc> wxb: It was still installing packages,
or it finished and you did stuff in the menu?
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2876[16:25:52] <wxb> it was done... I think? I don't
remember. But now I can't get past this step.
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2877[16:26:34] <karlpinc> wxb: "stuck"? What does it
say?
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2881[16:27:42] <wxb> karlpinc, /media/cdrom/: please insert the
disk named "debian gnu/linux 10...
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2882[16:28:03] <karlpinc> wxb: And the disk is in? Can you say
"ok"? and move forward?
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2883[16:29:02] <wasamasa> debianfan2439: what tool are you
talking about?
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2884[16:29:21] <wxb> karlpinc, I used a flashs drive... and
it's in.
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2885[16:29:59] <karlpinc> wxb: That is interesting, because it is
not asking for a flash drive. Are you using the netinstall image?
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2887[16:30:06] <Ede|Popede> [package-update-indicator] according
to
replaced-url
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2889[16:30:38] <annadane> eww
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2892[16:30:47] <wxb> karlpinc, the full xfce one
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2893[16:31:06] <wxb> karlpinc, Well. It's stuck.
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2894[16:31:11] <karlpinc> wxb: It's like you told it to
install from CD/DVD. Ah, you put the full xfce image onto a flash
drive, right?
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2895[16:31:22] * Ede|Popede has 'apt-get update && apt-get
upgrade' in the bash history, just a 'C-r & &
<ENTER>' away :)
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2896[16:31:57] <ratrace> I just "apt upd" and hit arrow
up :)
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2898[16:32:15] * ratrace has ~/.inputrc rigged for that
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2899[16:32:17] <wxb> karlpinc, Yeah. It's totally block up.
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2901[16:32:35] <annadane> i get security emails all the time and
i have no idea if i have those packages installed so i tend to just
apt update && apt upgrade anyway, you can't dpkg -l
this stuff because you might have libraries installed which are part
of the update
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2903[16:32:47] <karlpinc> wxb: (Better to use just the netinstall
image. And.... I guess the cd images are designed to be put on CD.)
Humm....
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2904[16:32:58] <jhutchins_wk> There is (or was) an image that was
intended to boot the system and run the installer from a CD, for
systems that would not boot from a CD. Asking for the CD is also a
symptom we frequently see when people use unetbootin to create the
boot media.
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2905[16:33:01] <Ede|Popede> ratrace: nice one, let me see if i
can adapt my automatism ;)
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2907[16:33:26] <wxb> So.... start over.... {tears}
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2908[16:33:38] <karlpinc> wxb: What did you use to put the image
onto the flash drive?
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2909[16:33:43] <wxb> dd
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2910[16:33:43] <karlpinc> wxb: No, you won't need to start
over.
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2911[16:33:52] <wxb> hard shut down?
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2912[16:34:04] <karlpinc> wxb: Ok. Go into the vt that gives you
a shell prompt.
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2913[16:34:12] <debianfan2439> wasamasa i was talking about the
package-update-indicator but Ede|Popede said that its graphical tool
so its answered
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2916[16:34:29] <annadane> that's for desktops that
*don't* have their own
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2917[16:34:34] <annadane> i'm sure gnome has an update
checker
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2918[16:34:47] <debianfan2439> and does tty has one also
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2920[16:34:59] * annadane shrug
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2922[16:35:15] <wxb> vt? I cant access those...
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2923[16:35:20] <karlpinc> !vt
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2924[16:35:20] <dpkg> i heard vt is Virtual Terminal, like the
console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To
get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most
likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also
used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD
counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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2925[16:35:23] <annadane> most people can probably check for
updates like once a week anyway, you're unlikely to get pwned
in that time
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2929[16:35:45] <wasamasa> but what if the most dedicated hacker
of all time decides to screw you over
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2931[16:36:05] <karlpinc> wxb: Alt+F2 (etc) does not do anything?
(or CTL+Alt+F2, etc.?)
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2932[16:36:11] <annadane> also CVEs now are at the point of
"this could maybe perhaps in theory just a hunch allow an
attacker to run malicious code over ssh with port 9 quadrillion open
with this specific configuation only when the moon is full"
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2933[16:36:12] <greycat> what if you have an extremely
exaggerated opinion of your importance
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2935[16:36:49] <debianfan2439> oh okey annadane is it okey if i
use a german mirror to update my system in sources.list or only
deb.debian.org is the offical ?
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2936[16:37:07] <annadane> hacking people is *hard*. a properly
secured system (and debian has *good* defaults anyway) isn't
likely to be cracked trivially
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2938[16:37:15] <karlpinc> wxb: Still there?
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2939[16:37:20] <wxb> karlpinc, nope, no luck
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2940[16:37:21] <annadane> !buster sources.list
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2941[16:37:21] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2942[16:37:24] <annadane> just follow that
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2944[16:37:53] <karlpinc> wxb: Humm. You tried different F keys?
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2945[16:37:58] <debianfan2439> annadane i mean the mirror website
if it is okay if i use debian.inf.tu-dresden.de for example
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2946[16:38:05] <annadane> i'm sure it's fine
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2947[16:38:07] <debianfan2439> or is only deb.debian.org website
the right website to update from
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2948[16:38:11] <debianfan2439> oh okey
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2949[16:38:33] <annadane> hackers are going to be interested in
servers and infrastructure, not your cat photos
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2950[16:38:35] <wxb> F5 will give me a black screen...
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2952[16:38:58] <debianfan2439> annadane but maybe my bank numbers
....
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2953[16:39:07] <karlpinc> wxb: The others should then give you
something too, right?
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2954[16:39:12] <wxb> karlpinc, nope
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2955[16:39:18] <annadane> sure, but i mean, you don't need
to take excessive precaution unless you're a whistleblower type
or whatever
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2957[16:39:43] <wxb> So hard shutdown?
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2958[16:39:53] <debianfan2439> you mean like edward norton
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2959[16:40:15] <debianfan2439> im not a whistleblowser
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2960[16:40:17] <Ede|Popede> or Bild Leserreporter :P
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2961[16:40:18] <karlpinc> wxb: Allright. You can hard-reboot.
I'm not sure just how far you've gotten but the problem is
that your installed (I think) /etc/apt/sources.list say that
you're getting packages off of a cd.
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2962[16:40:18] <debianfan2439> blower*
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2964[16:41:09] <annadane> ...yes. edward norton.
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2966[16:41:16] <annadane> also, there's always unattended
upgrades
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2967[16:41:17] <karlpinc> wxb: You can try to fix that by booting
and going into rescue mode and then re-running the menu item after
the "install stuff" step. Or...
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2968[16:41:17] <millaus564578568> Ciao a tutti :))
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2969[16:41:19] <millaus564578568> hi all
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2971[16:41:32] <annadane> which you can set up if you don't
want to do it manually
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2972[16:41:54] <karlpinc> wxb: You can download the netinstall
image and boot from that and just re-install the base system. Your
partitions/LUKS/etc will all still be there.
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2973[16:41:59] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: the server could be
down for some reason. that's why having a generic entry which
brings you to a mirror which is fine at that moment isn't a bad
idea.
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2974[16:42:15] <annadane> (the name you're looking for is
'snowden', not norton)
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2976[16:42:24] <karlpinc> !tell wxb about firmware images
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2977[16:42:24] <millaus564578568> i created a webapp that create
directory.... how can i set that directory will get write permission
fro the group
replaced-url
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2979[16:42:32] <millaus564578568> i created a webapp that create
directory.... how can i set that directory will get write permission
fro the group
replaced-url
-
2980[16:42:51] <millaus564578568> i created a webapp that create
directory.... how can i set that directory will get write permission
for the group
replaced-url
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2981[16:43:02] <karlpinc> wxb: Using the netinstall image will be
simpler. (And the download is rather small.)
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2982[16:43:04] <debianfan2439> annadane oh right norton is the
actor and snowden is the right name
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2983[16:43:06] <annadane> millaus564578568, stop.
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2984[16:43:10] <annadane> we heard you the first time
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2987[16:44:27] <karlpinc> millaus564578568: You want to read-up
on chmod and chgrp (or chown). See the debian reference manual at
debian.org. It has a section on permissions etc.
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2988[16:45:05] <karlpinc> millaus564578568: gnu.org also has good
material in it's on-line "info" pages.
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2989[16:45:11] <trek00> millaus564578568: chgrp
replaced-url
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2990[16:45:38] <wxb> karlpinc, So I can't pick up where it
failed??
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2991[16:46:22] <karlpinc> wxb: I suspect you're pretty much
installed and all that's left is setting up boot. But
re-installing the minimal system from a netinstall images is quick
and will fix your sources.list problem. That will pick up from where
it failed.
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2993[16:46:55] <wxb> karlpinc, I'll have to do all that
paritioning again?
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2994[16:47:07] <karlpinc> wxb: You can try to manually fix
sources.list by booting into rescue mode and using an editor. Then
"apt update". But that involves more than button pushing.
-
2995[16:47:12] <wxb> karlpinc, And should I do the /boot thing
different?
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2996[16:47:19] <karlpinc> wxb: No. Your partitioning and LUKS
stuff is done.
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2997[16:47:21] <annadane> debianfan2439, you know this thing that
just happened where you downloaded a compromised image and
everything went bad? remember that when you run debian. don't
randomly install stuff from the internet. don't sudo bash |
curl or whatever 'program developers' tell you to do
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2998[16:47:50] <karlpinc> wxb: You'd only do the /boot
partition if you really wanted to start over and redo. I'd
leave it.
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2999[16:47:53] <annadane> that probably isn't right, i
forget the syntax of the thing you're not meant to do
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3001[16:48:21] <wasamasa> curl | sudo bash
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3002[16:48:27] <annadane> close enough
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3003[16:48:31] <debianfan2439> annadane it was not a image it was
XAntiMalwareHorses against dangerous black super trojan horses ...
but he did hose me obviously
-
3004[16:48:51] <debianfan2439> i will never install something
apart of something from the debian mirrors
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3005[16:48:59] <annadane> well, regardless. like the rest of
life, use common sense... but don't be afraid to do *anything*
-
3006[16:49:13] <debianfan2439> except*
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3007[16:49:24] <debianfan2439> i did mean except not apart
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3008[16:49:24] <karlpinc> wxb: The installer will see that
you've got partitions (just like it did when you first
installed, only those were the partitions you started with) and will
let you continue the installation from there.
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3011[16:49:50] <wxb> karlpinc, The LUKS partitions are not
showing up when I go through it again...
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3013[16:50:09] <debianfan2439> annadane you said that i dont need
antivirus in debian and its a windows thing is this really right
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3014[16:50:12] <karlpinc> wxb: So long as you don't mess
with your existing partitions they will be there for you. (Although
you will probably have to go into the LUKS partition to unlock it.)
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3016[16:50:32] <wxb> karlpinc, I can't see them though...
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3018[16:51:01] <karlpinc> wxb: You should be able to see the
partition holding the LUKS stuff. What happens when you choose it?
(Don't tell it to "write" anything.)
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3020[16:51:13] <annadane> debianfan2439, pretty much.
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3021[16:51:31] <wxb> karlpinc, It is shown as 'do not
use'
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3022[16:51:34] <debianfan2439> annadane what if im on a website
and firefox does automatically download a virus
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3023[16:51:47] <millaus564578568> trek: i have to change
everytyme permission ???
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3024[16:51:54] <millaus564578568> trek00: i have to change
everytyme permission ???
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3026[16:52:07] <annadane> debianfan2439, there's this lovely
thing called an 'adblocker'.
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3027[16:52:15] <karlpinc> wxb: Isn't there some sort of
button to press to go to a menu of all the installation choices? Or
maybe the escape key or something?
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3028[16:52:20] <annadane> i know, everyone wants to support
content creators, but please don't use the internet without one
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3029[16:52:25] <debianfan2439> i have ublock origin like in tails
i hope this is good
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3030[16:52:27] <annadane> i recommend ublock origin, and check a
bunch of filters
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3031[16:52:29] <karlpinc> ... installation steps...
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3033[16:53:06] <millaus564578568> trek00: in vsftpd.conf i set
always write with a 755.. is there a php.conf file where i set
permission for all directory my web app will create ?
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3034[16:53:07] <karlpinc> wxb: In any case you're using your
cd installer image right now, right?
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3035[16:53:08] <trek00> millaus564578568: not, it's saved
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3037[16:53:22] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: depends. as an
example, should you use youtube-dl some day you maybe want to get it
from upstream. buster has 2019.01.17-1.1, bullseye 2019.09.28-1 as
per pdo. but the homepage is mentioned in the package, so it should
be fine. you only should be careful if they try to sell you shoes 3
years after the release on such a page ;)
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3038[16:53:28] <debianfan2439> annadane should i also install
noscript
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3039[16:53:36] <trek00> millaus564578568: not, you should read
about umask under php
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3040[16:53:36] <wxb> karlpinc, Yep, but when I go to the install
step, it can't find the LUKS volumes...
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3041[16:53:54] <wxb> karlpinc, I'm still on the full
install.
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3042[16:53:59] <wxb> cause wifi ain't working
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3043[16:54:11] <karlpinc> wxb: Then do you know how to use an
editor to change text in the sources.list file?
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3045[16:54:13] <millaus564578568> trek00: it's saved for
chgrp
replaced-url
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3046[16:54:21] <karlpinc> in general?
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3048[16:54:28] <wxb> karlpinc, I think I'm gooing to start
over....
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3049[16:54:37] <annadane> some people do install noscript.
personally i tend to just install ublock origin, https everywhere,
decentraleyes, privacy badger. as far as i understand
noscript/umatrix are more advanced and you have to fiddle with
things... i probably wouldn't bother with them right off the
bat i guess
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3050[16:54:38] <wxb> karlpinc, Yes, I can do that.
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3051[16:54:55] <karlpinc> wxb: Ok. then get to the vt with the
shell prompt
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3052[16:54:56] <debianfan2439> Ede|Popede is youtube-dl also
avaiable in debian ?
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3054[16:55:13] <ratrace> I just run Firefox AppArmored.
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3055[16:55:24] <wxb> no vt
-
3056[16:55:27] <annadane> debianfan2439, don't use the
youtube-dl from the debian repos. it's going to get out of date
really quickly
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3057[16:55:27] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: that's what i
said ;) only it gets updates all the time due to sites changing
their APIs permanently.
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3060[16:56:08] <karlpinc> That is really wierd. All the installer
images should let you get to a vt.
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3061[16:56:08] <trek00> millaus564578568: to setup the group on
newly created files/directories you need to set the sticky bit on
the parent directory; to setup the permission you need to set umask
correctly
-
3062[16:56:13] <annadane> i use python3-venv for python packages
like that, idk what i'd recommend to a relative newbie which is
most pain-free
-
3063[16:56:28] <wxb> Start over I guess. So this time where do I
boot boot?
-
3064[16:56:49] <debianfan2439> so if not from the website then
from where i should download the program then
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3066[16:56:56] <karlpinc> wxb: Start over with the netinstall
image (unoffical, with firmware).
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3068[16:57:04] <millaus564578568> trek00: umask is in php5.conf
file ?
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3072[16:57:40] <trek00> millaus564578568:
replaced-url
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3074[16:57:46] <karlpinc> wxb: But it _should_ unlock the luks
partition for you. At least in expert mode. You will need to load
the modules for cryptsetup/luks and lvm.
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3075[16:57:49] <debianfan2439> is yt-dl the offical website for
debian youtube-dl
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3076[16:58:06] <karlpinc> wxb: Did you do expert mode now?
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3077[16:58:22] <millaus564578568> trek00: ok so there is not a
general setting
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3078[16:58:30] <millaus564578568> trek00: thk u for help
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3079[16:58:47] <karlpinc> wxb: In expert mode it asks about what
modules to load.
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3081[16:59:47] <trek00> millaus564578568: i don't know about
php, but probably you need to setup inside you code
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3083[17:00:40] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: debian packages that
piece of software which else has no relationship to it. 'apt
show youtube-dl | less' ( i STRONGLY recommend 'less'
in this particular case) and look for the 'Homepage:'
line.
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3084[17:01:07] <greycat> youtube-dl generally doesn't work
after a few weeks (youtube changes their site), and you need a new
upstream release periodically
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3085[17:01:19] <debianfan2439> it says less package is not
installed
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3086[17:01:25] <greycat> it's one of the things that you
shouldn't even bother trying to use from Debian packages
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3088[17:02:02] <debianfan2439> greycat why does debian team not
care about the currency of this package
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3089[17:02:02] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439, then > apt show
youtube-dl | head -n 10
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3090[17:02:19] <Ede|Popede> there are 60k or so packages in
buster
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3092[17:02:33] <jelly> ,v youtube-dl
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3093[17:02:34] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch:
2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster:
2019.01.17-1.1; bullseye: 2019.09.28-1; sid: 2019.09.28-1;
bullseye-multimedia: 2019.10.22-dmo1; buster-multimedia:
2019.10.22-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2019.10.29-dmo1
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3094[17:03:05] <at0m> debianfan2439: get it from git. cron a
youtube-dl -U for, say, weekly updates.
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3095[17:03:31] <Ede|Popede> never did it, does it install
properly into $HOME when run as user?
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3096[17:04:01] <greycat> I only update it when it fails.
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3098[17:04:38] <Ede|Popede> ditto. i had a oneliner in the past
checking the redirect in the http header (it contains the release
date, nice move)
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3104[17:08:01] <debianfan2439> should i run youtube-dl with root
privileges to get more power
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3106[17:08:20] <jelly> debianfan2439: absolutely yes.
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3107[17:08:27] <wasamasa> lol
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3108[17:08:56] <wasamasa> it's as if all the previous
discussion has been for nothing
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3110[17:09:19] <jelly> ascii stupid question, get a dumb ansi
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3113[17:09:48] <greycat> eventually you realize when a person is
not going to listen to you
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3114[17:09:57] <greycat> that's why me /ignore list is so
large
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3115[17:10:09] <wxb> Okay, I'm in with firmware iso. Experct
mode... choose modules from CD?
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3117[17:10:16] <karlpinc> youtube-dl is a python program so the
latest version can easily be installed in a python virtual
environment, and later discarded.
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3119[17:10:36] <jelly> (usually we cater to users with all sorts
of knowledge levels, but sometimes there's a sarcasm epidemic)
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3121[17:10:41] <trek00> debianfan2439: you should never run a
network application as root
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3122[17:11:02] <Ede|Popede> debianfan2439: do you use the
chainsaw to cut the hair in your nose?
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3124[17:12:19] <SerajewelKS> trek00: apt is a network
application. checkmate.
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3127[17:12:32] <wxb> karlpinc, Okay. Chose that one to load
modules.
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3129[17:12:49] <wxb> lost here, now
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3140[17:14:55] <millaus564578568> trek00: for samba user exist
this kind of umask configuration ?
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3141[17:14:55] <ratrace> well, pretty much every service daemon
that binds to port <1000 has to, at least, start off as root...
or you shell out some CAPs :)
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3144[17:15:10] <wxb> Choosing crypto-dm-modules...
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3150[17:18:26] <debianfan243923> is debian more stabil then red
hat
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3151[17:18:39] <debianfan243923> red hat enterprise linux*
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3154[17:19:15] <greycat> are you KIDDING ME
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3155[17:19:30] <greycat> he's changing the numbers in his
stupid nick to dodge ignores
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3156[17:19:32] <debianfan243923> greycat does this mean yes or no
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3157[17:19:42] <greycat> It means I have to use a glob in my
ignore
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3158[17:19:49] <debianfan243923> oh i do not know how this
happened
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3159[17:19:52] <debianfan243923> it was not intended
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3160[17:20:16] <trek00> SerajewelKS: luckily apt don't use
root to connect to the network :)
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3163[17:21:00] <wasamasa> greycat: not everything is meant to
drive your blood pressure levels up
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3164[17:21:37] <greycat> showing up with 4 different nicks in a
week is one of those things, though
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3165[17:21:44] <SerajewelKS> not everything but pretty sure this
guy is a troll looking at his message history
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3166[17:21:53] <debianfan243923> greycat the only name i did have
here is debianfan2439
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3167[17:21:58] <wasamasa> I had such people at the hackerspace
before
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3168[17:22:03] <debianfan243923> and i do not know how the
numbers 23 did come to my name
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3170[17:22:27] <wasamasa> the conversations with them tend to be
fruitless
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3171[17:22:29] <debianfan243923> you must confound me
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3172[17:22:46] <debianfan243923> with someone with the same
issues or similar issues like i have
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3174[17:23:24] <greycat> They're either a troll or a help
vampire.
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3175[17:23:33] <jelly> greycat, wasamasa: we have a
#debian-offtopic for metaconversation and other non-support
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3177[17:24:06] <debianfan243923> is debian currently used in the
international space station?
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3178[17:24:08] <wxb> karlpinc, Just wondering if you're
around / not busy. I think I just might redo the install because
I'm kinda lost in expert mode here...
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3179[17:24:12] <Ede|Popede> it's another connection now
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3183[17:25:06] <Ede|Popede> oho, used to be kbw, now italy
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3185[17:25:39] <trek00> debianfan243923: yes!
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3187[17:26:01] <debianfan243923> trek00 how many computers in the
iss are using debian?
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3188[17:26:21] <trek00> debianfan243923: 923
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3189[17:26:29] <debianfan243923> oh sorry but this i can not
believe
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3193[17:27:15] <imMute> debianfan243923: more than 0, less than
923. You'd have to ask NASA for an exact number.
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3200[17:30:58] <debianfan243923> imMute i thought that maybe
someone here is from the nasa and can help me with the answer
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3201[17:31:15] <annadane> anyway, this is entering
#debian-offtopic areas
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3204[17:31:58] <debianfan243923> annadane okey then i will stop
here i thought it is a debian question
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3205[17:32:30] <wxb> ratrace, So, I'm starting the whole
process again, where should I put the boot think you talked about
before?
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3207[17:34:25] <karlpinc> wxb: It may "just happen". If
not, then you need rescue mode to put it in the grub config.
(/etc/default/grub on squeeze, then "update-grub")
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3209[17:34:50] <millaus564578568> is there a umask setting for
samba give user create directory 775 ?
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3212[17:35:52] <trek00> millaus564578568:
replaced-url
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3213[17:36:19] <karlpinc> wxb: Add the line:
GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y
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3215[17:36:56] <greycat> In smb.conf there's "create
mask = 0775"
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3217[17:37:03] <greycat> and "directory mask = 0775"
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3220[17:38:41] <millaus564578568> don't work
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3221[17:38:41] <millaus564578568> don't work
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3224[17:39:38] <trek00> millaus564578568: do you have reloaded
samba? service samba force-reload
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3225[17:39:50] <millaus564578568> trek00: yes
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3228[17:40:00] <millaus564578568> trek00: /etc/init.d/samba
restart
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3230[17:40:11] <greycat> which version of Debian are you using?
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3232[17:40:18] <millaus564578568> bustere
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3233[17:40:22] <millaus564578568> debian 10
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3234[17:40:24] <revolutionary> hello all. Is there any way to use
detached header key in a USB drive on UEFI computer on Debian 10
Buster? Thanks
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3235[17:40:36] <millaus564578568> no sry
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3236[17:40:58] <revolutionary> i don't want to disable
Secure Boot because as i learned from the internet Debian 10
supports Secure Boot
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3237[17:41:46] <millaus564578568> Linux srv02 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1
SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 (2017-03-07) i686 GNU/Linux
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3239[17:42:09] <millaus564578568> greycat: Linux srv02
3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 (2017-03-07) i686
GNU/Linux
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3240[17:42:27] <greycat> millaus564578568: unless you went out of
your way to replace systemd with sysvinit, you should get used to
one of the non-deprecated ways to manage services. Either
"systemctl restart smbd" or something involving the
"service" command.
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3242[17:42:55] <greycat> millaus564578568: that's a kernel
from Debian 8, by the way. Are you sure you're running Debian
10 with a Debian 8 kernel?
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3244[17:43:24] <millaus564578568> greycat: Linux srv02
3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 (2017-03-07) i686
GNU/Linux this is im sure
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3245[17:43:48] <dvs> millaus564578568, and what does cat
/etc/debian_version say ?
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3246[17:44:30] <millaus564578568> dvs: 8.7
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3248[17:44:47] <jelly> millaus564578568: that's Debian 8,
jessie, oldoldstable
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3249[17:44:52] <greycat> OK, Debian 8 (jessie), but it still uses
systemd by default, and you should get used to systemctl.
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3250[17:45:31] <greycat> You're also 4 point releases out of
date on jessie.
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3251[17:45:35] <revolutionary> greycat how can i switch from
systemd to systemctl on Debian 10?
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3252[17:45:36] <jelly> has partial security support by LTS team
and that particular machine seems to have been unpatched for more
than 2 years now
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3254[17:45:54] <jelly> !jessie-lts
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3255[17:45:54] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8
"Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will
receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via
<jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime
total. See
replaced-url
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3256[17:46:16] <greycat> revolutionary: systemd is the name of
the init system. systemctl is the command you use to do most of the
things you do with it.
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3258[17:46:32] <greycat> revolutionary: the point was, don't
use /etc/init.d/foo any more
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3259[17:46:58] <trek00> you should use service foo instead, it is
compatible with any init system
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3261[17:47:01] <revolutionary> greycat i coulnd't get
exactly.
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3262[17:47:02] <jelly> revolutionary: the "service"
command will work on both sysvinit and systemd installations
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3263[17:47:18] <revolutionary> what shouldn't i use anymore?
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3264[17:47:28] <jelly> calling an init script directly
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3265[17:47:31] <greycat> 12:40 millaus564578568> trek00:
/etc/init.d/samba restart
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3266[17:47:43] <greycat> That's what you shouldn't use
any more.
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3267[17:47:53] <revolutionary> i got it now
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3268[17:47:55] <jelly> while Debian has provisions to for that to
still work, it's really an ugly workaround
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3269[17:48:19] <revolutionary> do you have any idea about my LUKS
project?
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3279[17:51:39] <jmd> Does anyone know what the issue is getting
gettext 0.20 into debian?
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3282[17:52:04] <greycat> jmd: you'd have to ask the
maintainer
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3286[17:52:53] <greycat> #934738
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3287[17:52:54] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3290[17:56:09] <cinesc> hi
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3295[17:58:13] <cinesc> are these commands fully compatible with
debian?
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3296[17:58:15] <cinesc>
replaced-url
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3297[17:58:58] <trek00> cinesc: you should install microcode from
debian, like intel-microcode or amd64-microcode
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3298[17:59:12] <greycat> ,info intel-microcode
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3299[17:59:13] <judd> Package intel-microcode (non-free/admin,
optional) in buster/amd64: Processor microcode firmware for Intel
CPUs. Version: 3.20190618.1; Size: 1892.9k; Installed: 2421k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
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3300[17:59:20] <greycat> Note that it's in the non-free
section.
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3306[18:01:06] <cinesc> is the free alternative the OS part only?
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3308[18:02:35] <trek00> !non-free
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3309[18:02:35] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains
software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free
packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free
sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me
about <non-free list>.
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3310[18:02:41] <cinesc> hmm
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3311[18:03:10] <cinesc> This suddenly became easier than I
thought to find
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3312[18:03:29] <cinesc> which one offers more protection?
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3316[18:04:24] <trek00> cinesc: debian packages will be updated
via apt
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3317[18:04:36] <trek00> cinesc: use them if they are here
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3319[18:05:22] <cinesc> ok
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3320[18:06:00] <cinesc> this looks like the same page as I looked
at yesterday
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3321[18:06:18] <cinesc> just install or do I need to reboot after
it?
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3323[18:07:50] <trek00> cinesc: just install and then echo 1 >
/sys/devices/system/cpu/microcode/reload
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3324[18:07:58] <cinesc> ok
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3326[18:08:42] <cinesc> as root or not as root?
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3327[18:08:47] <trek00> cinesc: as root
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3328[18:08:51] <cinesc> ok
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3330[18:09:23] <trek00> cinesc: then verify if it's
reloaded: dmesg | grep microcode
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3335[18:10:43] <cinesc> [ 0.601037] MDS: Vulnerable: Clear CPU
buffers attempted, no microcode
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3336[18:10:51] <cinesc> [ 2.267452] microcode: sig=0x306a9,
pf=0x10, revision=0x16
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3337[18:11:02] <cinesc> [ 2.267503] microcode: Microcode Update
Driver: v2.2.
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3339[18:11:11] <cinesc> [90620.929187] platform microcode:
firmware: failed to load intel-ucode/06-3a-09 (-2)
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3341[18:11:37] <cinesc> did something go wrong?
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3342[18:11:47] <trek00> cinesc: i don't know, if it is
installed correctly, you can try to reboot
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3343[18:11:53] <cinesc> ok
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3345[18:12:11] <cinesc> should I check with the vulnerability
check tool first?
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3348[18:12:43] <trek00> cinesc: i don't know sorry
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3349[18:12:57] <cinesc> is it worth testing?
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3350[18:13:39] <cinesc> I will test to see if anything changed
already
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3353[18:14:26] <trek00> cinesc: you could check with cat
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*
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3355[18:14:43] <cinesc> something new happened
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3356[18:15:10] <cinesc> it shows green on five instead of four
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3357[18:15:18] <cinesc> out of thirteen
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3358[18:15:45] <cinesc> gonna reboot this machine then
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3365[18:18:31] <cinesc> it did do something I have been looking
for
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3366[18:18:40] <cinesc> eleven out of ten
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3367[18:18:52] <cinesc> eleven out of thirteen*
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3368[18:19:08] <trek00> good :)
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3370[18:19:46] <cinesc> feels good to have achieved something
without giving up despite my shortcomings
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3388[18:33:19] <wxb> Okay. So redid the install.
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3389[18:33:46] <wxb> Got through the whole thing with the full
XFCE DE install. But
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3392[18:34:33] <wxb> Now when I go to reboot, it starts Windows
automatically. And if I go to select debian in the menu, it gives me
a text grub> line. Does this mean that the boot thing failed?
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3397[18:35:32] <trek00> wxb: probably, but what grub said?
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3400[18:36:11] <wxb> GNU GRUB version 2.O2...... Minimal
BASH-like ...... grub>
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3402[18:36:37] <trek00> wxb: it seems grub was left unconfigured
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3405[18:36:51] <wxb> trek00, Oh no.
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3407[18:36:58] <wxb> trek00, How can I fix that?
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3411[18:38:43] <trek00> wxb: it's the same issue you had
before reinstalling?
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3412[18:39:06] <wxb> trek00, I don't think so... that was
that the installer wouldn't finish.
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3413[18:39:14] <wxb> So I restarted it all and did it over.
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3414[18:40:18] <trek00> wxb: did you noticed some error during
installation?
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3416[18:40:51] <wxb> trek00, Nope.... but I'm pretty shot
after a day at this...
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3417[18:41:05] <Lope> ratrace, is it possible to execute a wget
command when the initramfs has brought up the network?
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3418[18:41:30] <wxb> trek00, Could this be the boot issue?
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3419[18:42:08] <trek00> wxb: reinstalling grub is not a really
simple process, you can read something about it on
replaced-url
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3421[18:43:05] <wxb> trek00, Oh dear. It never ends... I started
this 10 hours ago...
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3422[18:43:18] <Latr_work> Guys what happens when you have
installed sid packages into stable?
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3423[18:43:25] <Habbie> !frankendebian
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3424[18:43:25] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
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3425[18:43:30] <Habbie> Latr_work, ^ that
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3426[18:43:45] <Latr_work> right
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3427[18:44:31] <Latr_work> I guess I am gonna have to solve the
dependencies manually than
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3428[18:44:42] <Habbie> that does not make things better
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3429[18:44:44] <wxb> trek00, So this is definately a grub issue
and a misplaced boot think during the manual partitioning and
install?
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3430[18:44:45] <Habbie> what is your goal?
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3432[18:44:59] <Latr_work> buy getting rid of the sid ones and
build them from source like for backported pkgs
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3433[18:45:21] <Latr_work> Habbie: my goal is to have Mesa 19.X
on buster
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3434[18:45:28] <Latr_work> which I achieved that using sid
packages
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3435[18:45:38] <Habbie> why not just run sid then?
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3436[18:45:53] <dvs> Habbie, because he's already running
sid now?
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3437[18:45:55] <Latr_work> but now I have few deps issue and I do
not want to reinstall them
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3438[18:46:17] <Latr_work> dvs: sid for mesa and a bunch of libs?
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3439[18:46:20] <Habbie> dvs, how do you know?
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3440[18:46:32] <Latr_work> I could purge them all and wont even
lose X...
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3441[18:46:37] <Latr_work> how am I running sid?
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3442[18:47:03] <dvs> Latr_work, it depends on the "bunch of
libs" that the packages installed.
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3443[18:47:08] <greycat> If you installed any dynamically linked
program from sid, it almost certainly brought in sid's libc6,
at which point you are running sid.
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3444[18:47:13] <Habbie> right
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3445[18:47:14] <dvs> namely libc6
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3446[18:47:39] <jelly> libc6 isn't anything special,
it's just a rather common dependency for binary packages
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3447[18:47:44] <Latr_work> I will double check that tonight at
home
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3448[18:47:54] <Lope> I removed my md0, so now my md's start
from md1. Is it possible to reset them to start from zero?
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3450[18:48:52] <Lope> can I just change the md numbers in
/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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3452[18:49:14] <jhutchins_wk> Latr_work: If you need sid
packages, you can /msg dpkg ssb for instructions on how to build
them for buster. Installing them directly usually means doing a
clean system reinstall to recover.
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3453[18:49:28] <Latr_work> so are you guys saying that resolving
the deps to buster if I pulled libc6 from sid wont be possible?
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3454[18:49:51] <wxb> How can I isolate the issue between grub and
boot?
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3455[18:50:07] <Latr_work> jhutchins_wk: I honestly never knew
about it
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3456[18:50:35] <Latr_work> I mean I never had to mess with sid
repos on my server, and is my first ever debian distro
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3458[18:52:03] <kadiro> what is the meaning of "Bad
substitution" trying to use a script when login, i tried to add
#/bin/sh or #/bin/bash but that will not execute the script but only
show "Complete" (something like that)
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3459[18:52:14] <greycat> Those shebangs are missing the bangs.
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3460[18:52:28] <dvs> kadiro, #!/bin/sh
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3461[18:52:31] <greycat> Do you know what a shebang without a
shebang is? It's a comment.
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3462[18:52:32] <wxb> basically I dual-boot installed Debian
beside Windows and now it won't boot in Debian, but a get a
grubish thing via the boot settings...
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3463[18:52:35] <kadiro> I forget to say that the same script work
fine in xubuntu session
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3464[18:52:52] <kadiro> dvs, yeah both not working
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3465[18:52:54] <greycat> When you run a script with a malformed
shebang from an interactive shell, the results depend on which shell
you're in.
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3466[18:53:01] <kadiro> sh and bash i mean
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3467[18:53:07] <greycat> Fix. The. Shebangs.
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3468[18:53:08] <greycat> NOW.
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3469[18:53:30] <kadiro> greycat, it is
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3471[18:54:18] <kadiro> #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash ==> both
gives "Complete"
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3472[18:54:27] <jhutchins_wk> Latr_work: Yes, well, a learning
experience then. Experience is proportional to data destroyed.
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3473[18:54:37] <greycat> You don't even know which LANGUAGE
you wrote them in!?
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3477[18:55:23] <kadiro> greycat, i prefer bash, no idea how sh
work
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3479[18:55:27] <jhutchins_wk> kadiro: You might consider
pastebining the actual script. What output do you expect?
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3480[18:55:36] <greycat> If you wrote it in bash, then use
#!/bin/bash
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3482[18:56:04] <kadiro> greycat, it gives only that the script
Complete nothing rung inside
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3484[18:56:21] <greycat> Make sure the script has +x permissions,
and run it by typing its pathname (./myscript if it's in the
current working directory), or its basename if it's in a
directory in PATH.
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3485[18:57:02] <kadiro> jhutchins_wk, it is just a simple script
that have: sleep 10s than executing conky
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3487[18:57:16] <trek00> wxb: it seems to me that efi was setup
correctly, grub was installed but left unconfigured, but i'm a
bit busy now and can't help much
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3488[18:57:43] <kadiro> If i remove the shebang thing the script
work but it is kind of ignoring the function inside it
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3489[18:57:49] <wxb> trek00, Okay. Thanks for the link -
I'll try to not break things more!
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3490[18:58:16] <greycat> ...
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3492[18:58:37] <greycat> I'm going to wait until you
actually present some details, or ask a question that a person can
answer.
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3493[18:59:22] <kadiro> greycat, if i add #!/bin/bash or
#!/bin/sh the script show only the word "Complete"
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3494[18:59:27] <greycat> First it has "Bad
substitution" errors, then it has "Complete" as its
only output, and apparently that's not desired. Then it depends
on which system you run it on. Then it has only two commands. Then
it works. Then it has a function inside it.
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3496[18:59:43] <kadiro> without that it work but ignore the line
that have the function
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3499[19:00:05] <greycat> Every time you say something it's
either a repetition of the inane tripe you already typed, or
it's an infuriating new reversal.
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3502[19:00:31] <greycat> Show the script, then show yourself
running it and its output.
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3505[19:01:25] <kadiro> greycat, you said add the shebang, i did
tell you what happen when i do: result ==> Complete <<== I
don't understand from where that word come
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3506[19:01:51] <kadiro> greycat, i will change things inside it
and give you the link
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3507[19:01:52] <greycat> Here's an example.
replaced-url
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3508[19:01:56] <humpled> we don't understand where or how
you read the script
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3509[19:01:59] <humpled> erm, ran
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3510[19:02:08] <greycat> Note that I showed the script, and then
I showed HOW I RAN IT, and I showed its output.
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3511[19:02:13] <trek00> wxb: this can help you better
replaced-url
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3514[19:02:51] <tjt263> hi, where can i get old, superseded,
software packages from the era of squeeze/6.0 ? i can't find
anything later than wheezy/7 on debian.org
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3515[19:03:06] <greycat> !snapshot
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3516[19:03:07] <dpkg>
replaced-url
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3520[19:06:26] <tjt263> ah, excellent. cheers m8
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3527[19:13:23] <wxb> Okay. Followed those steps trek00 Up to the
where to install GRUB part... I'm sure where to put it seeing
as I have LUKS ...
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3530[19:13:57] <wxb> Should I just put this on /dev/sda??
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3531[19:14:12] <jhutchins_wk> wxb: Correct
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3532[19:14:19] <wxb> My root system is in /dev/vg/other
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3533[19:14:27] <kadiro> greycat,
replaced-url
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3534[19:14:35] <wxb> And I think that Windows in in /dev/sda...
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3538[19:15:27] <wxb> There is /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt... So
putting it in sda5 should be safe?
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3539[19:15:46] <wxb> How do I avoid writing over either the
Windows or the Debian install.
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3541[19:16:01] <wxb> jhutchins_wk, Hmmm. Even though I used LUKS?
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3542[19:16:06] <wxb> And am dual-booting?
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3544[19:17:40] <greycat> kadiro: How many lies have you told.
"The script is just sleep 10s and then conky." LIE.
"The script contains a function." LIE.
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3546[19:18:05] <kadiro> greycat, it is not like that?
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3547[19:18:16] <greycat> The script -- I'm assuming the
thing you pasted is the script -- is a disaster. It is basically
wrong in every conceivable way. You hit a HUGE number of the bash
pitfalls.
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3549[19:18:38] <greycat> Oh, wait, there *is* a function buried
in the middle of it.
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3550[19:18:52] <kadiro> myf is an function
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3552[19:19:09] <greycat> So, yes, there's a function in it.
Very hard to spot because it's not up at the top and surrounded
by blank lines and indented. You know, like a normal person would
do.
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3553[19:19:17] <kadiro> that's were the bad subtition things
come
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3555[19:19:37] <wxb> The options are /dev/dm-1 ; /dev/dm-2 ;
/dev/mapper/sda5_crypt ; /dev/sda1 ; /dev/sda2 ; /dev/sda3 ;
/dev/sda4 ; /dev/sda5 ; /dev/sdb1 ; /dev/sdb2 ; /dev/vg/other ;
/dev/vg/swap ; something about RAID ; something about not using root
file system. Which is the one?
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3556[19:19:40] <greycat> The script is a DISASTER. It is so wrong
that I refuse to even critique it.
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3557[19:19:42] <Ether_Man> That script has my eyes bleeding
>_<
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3558[19:19:45] <jelly> dpkg, tell tjt263 about archive.debian.org
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3559[19:19:46] * greycat clears it from his terminal
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3561[19:19:53] * greycat ignores the source of the pain
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3564[19:20:05] <kadiro> greycat, ok i see
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3568[19:20:41] <kadiro> greycat, the function itself got it from
bash channel
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3570[19:21:00] <kadiro> just to make things clear
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3571[19:21:23] <humpled> crikey
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3573[19:21:30] <kadiro> the script work in xubuntu but not in
debian session, dunno what is the difference
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3575[19:22:21] <humpled> surely $1 is a string and you use it as
a decimal
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3578[19:23:30] <wxb> If you have any other links I can try to
follow those too... I'm using this one that was sent to me
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3581[19:25:41] <kadiro> I got an idea i will try to source the
bashrc as it have the same function and works from terminal
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3583[19:27:05] * jhutchins_wk wonders why you would launch a gui
element with a script
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3585[19:27:06] <humpled> is this all just to run conky?
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3587[19:27:39] <kadiro> no , the conky part is fine but the
function have something wrong
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3588[19:27:56] <wxb> This makes it look like grub should be on
/dev/sda1. But I think Windows in there. What can I do?
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3590[19:28:09] <kadiro> jhutchins_wk, it is a startup when i
login
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3591[19:28:36] <Ether_Man> Hm. Just saying but the reason it
doesn't work, could be the indentation errors? There's
like 0 indentations here and at least python is super picky about
that and it at least calls a python script in there
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3593[19:28:41] <kadiro> anyway i will test that idea and tell you
if something happen
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3594[19:28:55] <greycat> Bash and sh don't care about
indentation.
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3596[19:29:08] <kadiro> it could be Ether_Man
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3597[19:29:08] <greycat> Bash and sh *programmers* should,
though.
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3599[19:29:25] <Ether_Man> greycat, right, but if it calls a
python script, and the python script is in as poor condition
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3600[19:29:26] <kadiro> let me try
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3601[19:29:38] <greycat> Fair point. The errors could be coming
from that.
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3603[19:30:51] <humpled> and what desktop/window manager is
running it
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3605[19:31:17] <humpled> there's more than one question
here, and the first one is 'Why?'
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3606[19:31:25] <greycat> I asked them to show the script, to show
them running the script, and to show its output. I got something
that might have been the script, possibly, except there was nothing
indicating its name or pathname.
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3608[19:31:45] <kadiro> mission failed
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3609[19:31:51] <greycat> And, well, I already gave my opinion on
the script. I suggest fire, and lots of it.
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3610[19:31:54] <kadiro> it say source: not found
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3612[19:32:05] <greycat> I don't think any part of it can be
salvaged for any purpose.
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3613[19:32:26] <wxb> How can I improve my question here, or where
could I look for r