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4 [00:01:22] <zerocool> omg dude this is a nightmare
5 [00:01:45] <zerocool> looks like im going to have to use
centos
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7 [00:02:21] <annadane> we are no longer friends
8 [00:02:34] <annadane> superslacker, not an extension for it?
sorry, no clue about gnome stuff
9 [00:02:40] <zerocool> i want to be your friend though
10 [00:02:43] <zerocool> i dont want centos
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24 [00:06:27] <superslacker> annadane, I will take another look,
seems like there was for older versions of gnome (<3.14)
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27 [00:08:01] * annadane knows nothing about centos other than
"old packages"
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38 [00:15:48] <Sokomine> sadly no success yet with booting my
encrypted system. not even after doing a chroot, installing a new
kernel and letting debian do all the work. the initrd system does
not detect the encrypted partition
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57 [00:27:13] <zerocool> annadane: its true but then why
can't i have `libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster`!!
58 [00:28:07] <zerocool> oh well, i think i found another and
maybe better solution anyway... using nfs-ganesha as an nfs gateway
to the glusterfs volumes
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60 [00:28:48] <zerocool> nfs-ganesha *is* available from stable
repos :)
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62 [00:28:52] <almostdvs> zerocool: what are you trying to do?
63 [00:29:25] <zerocool> almostdvs: i have three kvm/libvirt
hypervisors and one active nas, i need the nas which holds the vm
disks to be replicated
64 [00:30:07] <zerocool> decided to give gluster, replicated
volumes, a go... found gluster volume support in libvirt but only in
testing/sid
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66 [00:30:40] <dvs> almostdvs, you'll never catch up!!! :-)
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79 [00:38:59] <michael2> does anyone know how to use msmtp?
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81 [00:40:39] <almostdvs> i don't really understand
gluster. what is it zerocool
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85 [00:43:42] <superslacker> annadane, it seems I can use
devilspie2 to do this (included in Debian Stretch repo)
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92 [00:46:57] <michael2> how can I list the loaded
"accounts" in msmtp?
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109 [00:59:29] <zerocool> almostdvs: it's for like...
clustering storage. you can replicate data to a cluster or
distribute data across a cluster evenly, or stripe it
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113 [01:00:14] <zerocool> kinda like RAID but instaid of disks
it's servers... "redundent array of inexpensive"
NAS's
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116 [01:00:19] <zerocool> instead*
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154 [01:25:41] <acu> hello guys - I am trying to connect to a
windows machine RDP - and I get kicked out after a split second-
tried remmina and others, - is any tutorial about that ?
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163 [01:31:21] <Akuw> hi how can i run X11 remote
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166 [01:31:30] <Akuw> i configured ssd_conf
167 [01:31:45] <Akuw> but i got Can't open display
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181 [01:34:52] <klys> akuw, ps waux | grep X and make sure the
Xorg command line has -listen tcp
182 [01:35:32] <klys> akuw, and if it doesn't, edit
/etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
183 [01:35:56] <klys> akuw, and if it does, use
DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0 xhost +
184 [01:36:27] <klys> akuw, and then it should work if you
specify the right DISPLAY
185 [01:36:43] <Brigo> Akuw, connect with ssh -X
186 [01:36:50] <klys> akuw, if not, you may need an entry for
your remote ip in /etc/hosts.allow
187 [01:36:52] <Akuw> wait please
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191 [01:39:18] <Akuw> to start x11 from remote x11 should be
running in server, i mean GUI should be running?
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193 [01:40:18] <Brigo> Akuw, yes
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204 [01:47:08] <RoyK> klys: no need to xhost + if you're
using ssh
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207 [01:48:50] <RoyK> klys: and btw, hosts.allow etc are long
gone for most systems
208 [01:50:17] <RoyK> klys: tcpwrappers went out of style some 10
years ago - some still use them, though
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245 [02:17:59] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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248 [02:18:37] <tobiasBora> I'm trying to debug a
connection. To do that I ran a netcat udp "server" using:
"nc -u -l 2399"
249 [02:18:51] <tobiasBora> and in parallel I ran "nc -u
localhost 2399"
250 [02:19:14] <tobiasBora> however this second connection closes
immediately, so I can't even try to type anything
251 [02:19:18] <tobiasBora> any idea why?
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255 [02:21:40] <tobiasBora> (I also try as a server command nc -l
-p 2399, same problem)
256 [02:23:17] <tobiasBora> (note that in tcp, I've the same
problem, except that I can use telnet to do the connection instead)
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261 [02:26:37] <tobiasBora> whooo really strange, the exact same
command on my laptop is not the same as in the raspberry...
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271 [02:32:42] <Brigo> tobiasBora, use a sniffer
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273 [02:32:56] <Brigo> maybe there is some kind of firewall
there.
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280 [02:34:36] <bites> tobiasBora: netcat tries to use ipv6 for
some reason. try nc -4u localhost 2399
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283 [02:35:30] <Dagger> ...UDP should work fine over v6 though
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285 [02:36:01] <bites> but the first command only listens on v4
286 [02:36:41] <Dagger> so it does. WTF, nc?
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289 [02:37:04] <bites> it's a weird inconsistency.
290 [02:37:15] <mnuhmnuh> nc: invalid option -- '4'
291 [02:37:25] <tobiasBora> Strance, invalid option --
'4' also
292 [02:37:26] <Dagger> with no bind address specified, it really
should be listening on ::
293 [02:37:28] <rant> something I have always wondered, what do
these file managers do when you tell them to "eject" a USB
storage.. how would you do the same on command line and can you get
the device "back" wihout unplugging it and plugging it
back in?
294 [02:38:00] <tobiasBora> Dagger: I know the problem is not
from the server, because I use the same server when I access from my
laptop
295 [02:39:09] <bites> there are two versions of netcat. -openbsd
and -traditional. i'm using the openbsd version.
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297 [02:40:21] <bites> hmm... which you seem to also use. which
version of debian are you using?
298 [02:40:28] <rant> cause near as I can tell when I do
"eject" the device is as good as unplugged and kernel
doesnt see it and can't mount it anymore
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301 [02:41:17] <mnuhmnuh> rant: assuming it doesn't show up
in df, you should be at 0.
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304 [02:42:11] <rant> idk what you're talking about..
I'm just trying to figure out what exactly file managers do to
"eject" a device and can it be done or undone via the
commandline
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309 [02:42:56] <bites> tobiasBora: what's the first line of
nc -h ?
310 [02:43:00] <rant> cause obviously it doesnt actually unplug a
thumbdrive but makes it so I gotta go unplug it and plug it back in
to use it.. I can't just mount it anymore
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315 [02:43:59] <rant> which is real annoying when you're
working remotely and such
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318 [02:45:04] <kion> I just had a bunch of updates ready to go,
but when I sudo apt upgraded i got this!
319 [02:45:06] <kion> The following packages have been kept back:
320 [02:45:07] <kion> libcuda1 libegl-nvidia0
libegl1-glvnd-nvidia libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx libgl1-nvidia-glvnd-glx
libgles-nvidia1 libgles-nvidia2 libgles1-glvnd-nvidia
libgles2-glvnd-nvidia libglx-nvidia0 libglx0-glvnd-nvidia
321 [02:45:07] <kion> libnvcuvid1 libnvidia-cfg1
libnvidia-compiler libnvidia-eglcore libnvidia-fatbinaryloader
libnvidia-glcore libnvidia-ml1 libopengl0-glvnd-nvidia
nvidia-alternative nvidia-driver nvidia-driver-bin
322 [02:45:07] <kion> nvidia-driver-libs nvidia-egl-icd
nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-support nvidia-opencl-icd
nvidia-smi nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-vulkan-icd
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia
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327 [02:46:38] <tobiasBora> bites: On my debian laptop, where the
command works, it's "[v1.10-41.1]", but on my rasp
it's "GNU netcat 0.7.1, a rewrite of the famous networking
tool."
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329 [02:46:54] <tobiasBora> But no worries, I'll see
directly with the people from the rasp distro
330 [02:47:07] <tobiasBora> I'm suspecting a problem in the
compilation of nc
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332 [02:48:36] <bites> then please don't waste our time next
time if can't reproduce the problem on debian.
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334 [02:53:17] <Sokomine> still no success regarding booting from
my crypted root partition :-( i get "cryptsetup (root): lvm is
not available". i'm not using lvm. just unencrypted /boot
plus encrypted /root partition
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344 [03:00:52] <brieweb> I tried installing a guest using
Xen-tools and what used to work now doesn't work
345 [03:01:02] <brieweb> the host installs, but it will not boot
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358 [03:10:54] <kion> after a sudo apt upgrade I got:
359 [03:10:56] <kion>
replaced-url
360 [03:11:06] <kion> any ideas why?
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368 [03:14:20] <dvs> kion, because those packages will be
installed (as opposed to upgraded)
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370 [03:15:39] <kion> dvs, ok so how do I get them to be
installed?
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372 [03:16:03] <dvs> kion, sudo apt full-upgrade
373 [03:16:20] <kion> dvs, thanks ok so here I go!
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376 [03:18:55] <kion> dvs, wow thanks that was it! Can you please
explain to my enlightment, why was that? why they needed to be
installed as opposed to upgraded?
377 [03:19:45] <dvs> kion, "apt upgrade" will only
update already installed packages. It will not install or remove
packages.
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380 [03:21:21] <kion> dvs, why did new packages needed to be
installed?
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384 [03:22:10] <dvs> kion, because new versions of already
installed packages needed new packages?
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387 [03:23:08] <kion> dvs, Ok got it!
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405 [03:54:52] <brieweb> anyone using Xen and xen-tools?
406 [03:55:05] <brieweb> my guest creation does not seem to work
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408 [03:55:16] <brieweb> previously create guests boot, so I am
baffled
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410 [03:55:23] <brieweb> created guests
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415 [03:57:53] <mnuhmnuh> brieweb: jounalctl -b 0
416 [03:58:16] <mnuhmnuh> brieweb: journalctl -b 0
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536 [05:56:51] <pantato> so the current debian-live-xfce-nonfree
*does not* come with gparted? what am I to use instead to make my
usb drive persistent?
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538 [06:02:39] <rabbitear_sdf> parted ?
539 [06:02:45] <rabbitear_sdf> without the g
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541 [06:04:46] <Hooloovo0> last I checked, you could always
install things with apt on live installs
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544 [06:06:31] <zentris> I'm trying to make a debian wiki
account so I can submit a wallpaper/theme for the buster art
proposal, however getting "Account creation failed: To prevent
spam"
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550 [06:07:27] <zentris> I'm using a website I own as the
email, and the website name as the FirstLastname since I want to
remain anonymous, is that allowed?
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552 [06:08:59] <sleepyhead> zentris: i doubt that has anything to
do with it. find out who's in charge of that wiki and make a
request to them directly.
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555 [06:10:28] <zentris> sleepyhead: yeah I will be doing that,
thanks
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569 [06:27:57] <zentris> I'm making a proposal for debian
buster, this is my current direction with a simple wallpaper,
thoughts?
replaced-url
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571 [06:32:50] <epicmetal> zentris: IMHO the waves feel dated
572 [06:33:20] <epicmetal> zentris: have you considered simply
removing them and having just the colour gradient and logo
573 [06:33:37] <zentris> yeah that's possible as well,
thanks for the suggestion
574 [06:33:55] <epicmetal> NP
575 [06:34:23] <zentris> do you have any examples of modern
vector based designs for wallpapers?
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577 [06:34:38] <zentris> I'd like to make a very good
proposal for buster
578 [06:35:40] <epicmetal> Not really. I tend to browse toplist
on wallhaven and use whatever speaks to me at the time. I tend to go
for things that feel illustrated and not too busy.
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584 [06:39:02] <zentris> Seems like most modern OSes use
photographs now
585 [06:39:30] <zentris> well anyways I've email wiki,
hopefully I can make an account soon to start submiting some
ideas/work
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593 [06:57:34] <rant> ok, I was proceeding to do a chroot (cross)
install of Stretch from Stretch.. I just partitioned sdc with a
200mb ext4 for boot, and lukFormatted the remaining 300G or so and
made an ext4 on there for the rootfs, I mounted the
target-crypt-root on /mnt and then did mkdir /mnt/boot and then
tried to mount -o bind /dev/sdc1 /mnt/boot and it says /mnt/boot is
not a directory.. wtf? heh
594 [06:58:14] <rant> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jul 16 00:54
boot
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596 [06:58:30] <rant> (output of ls -l /mnt)
597 [06:59:10] <rant> am I missing something here? I don't
understand why its saying this
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601 [07:00:20] <rant> oh wait, I think its because I didn't
mount /dev/sdc1 which means the error is wrong
602 [07:00:32] <rant> mount: mount(2) failed: /mnt/boot: Not a
directory
603 [07:00:42] <rant> is not the right error
604 [07:01:11] <rant> what it MEANS is /dev/sdc1 is not a
directory :P
605 [07:01:39] <rant> idk what I was thinking, I dont even need a
bind here
606 [07:02:01] <rant> I wonder if I should file a bug on that one
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615 [07:10:36] <rant> I guess there is nobody here but the
crickets but I think thats a bug if the error is not correct.
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659 [07:45:08] <jak2000> my file system is on reaonly
660 [07:45:22] <jak2000> i erstarted and restarted and continue
same, how to do a fsck ?
661 [07:46:06] <rant> fsck /dev/sda1
662 [07:46:14] <rant> or whatever the device node of the fs is
663 [07:46:51] <rant> jak2000: you could use df to determine the
correct device node
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665 [07:47:31] <rant> eg: /dev/sda1 7634872 7341356 277132 97% /
666 [07:47:52] <jak2000> ok
667 [07:47:54] <jak2000> sda2
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670 [07:50:06] <rant> if the fsck completes successfully you can
just remount the fs
671 [07:50:12] <rant> mount -o remount,rw /
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675 [07:53:32] <jak2000> done, thanks
676 [07:54:14] <rant> no problem.
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865 [09:52:31] <selroc> Hello, I am trying to register a new
account on
replaced-url
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867 [09:52:54] <pantato> I would like to create a usb stick that
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looked at some guides and they seem outdated. I can't seem to
create a partition on top of the iso/hybrid scenario.
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869 [09:53:07] <annadane> selroc, debian moved to
salsa.debian.org
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873 [09:55:29] <selroc> thank you , so where should I register on
salsa ?
874 [09:56:59] <annadane>
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962 [11:05:00] <lol-md5> why is the latest version of
ca-certificates 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1? isn't that wildly out of
date?
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971 [11:08:52] <rant> pantato: just insall normally with a usb
stick as the hdd
972 [11:09:18] <rant> its that simple
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982 [11:18:13] <Antares>
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994 [11:24:03] <petn-randall> ,v ca-certificates
995 [11:24:04] <judd> Package: ca-certificates on amd64 --
wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 20130119+deb7u3; jessie:
20141019+deb8u3; stretch: 20161130+nmu1; buster: 20170717; sid:
20180409
996 [11:24:35] <petn-randall> lol-md5: "wildly out of
date" for doing what?
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998 [11:25:21] <lol-md5> for connecting to websites with some
semblance of verification of trust
999 [11:25:38] <lol-md5> …
1000 [11:25:41] <lol-md5> isn't that obvious
1001 [11:25:52] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Are they though? Did you
get any errors?
1002 [11:26:04] <lol-md5> not yet…
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1004 [11:26:17] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Because CA certificates
have a rollover measured in decades.
1005 [11:26:21] <lol-md5> and, connecting to a site you
shouldn't have, isn't an error either
1006 [11:26:27] <lol-md5> in 2 years we could have another
startcom
1007 [11:26:38] <lol-md5> given how rarely this seems to be
updated, that seems feasible
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1010 [11:27:03] <lol-md5> stretch isn't really supported if
the CAs aren't updated
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1012 [11:27:13] <lol-md5> this is the point of a distro. i
shouldn't have to do this myself
1013 [11:27:19] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Sounds like you don't
know what you're talking about.
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1016 [11:28:02] <lol-md5> petn-randall your word against mine
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1018 [11:29:23] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Well, have you seen a
certificate error on stable due to "wildly out of date"
ca-certificates? If not, you might be making assumptions about a
subject you have little understanding about.
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1021 [11:30:40] <lol-md5> startcom went defunct in 2018 due to
trust issues
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1023 [11:31:04] <lol-md5> it is an error to trust any site whose
cert is signed by startcom
1024 [11:31:21] <lol-md5> 9's latest version predates 2018
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1026 [11:31:35] <petn-randall> 2018? You might be a little old on
that info.
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1028 [11:31:46] <petn-randall> lol-md5: Have you read the
changelog of that package yet?
1029 [11:32:25] <petn-randall> lol-md5: You might want to do that
before we continue discussing.
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1031 [11:32:42] <lol-md5> ok
1032 [11:32:56] <nylonstrap> hi people. I am trying to move a lot
of files from an ext4 partition to an ext2 partition on the same
disk. Is it possible to mount both partitions or something?
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1034 [11:33:30] <HappyLoaf> nylonstrap, I usually just make two
folders in /tmp/
1035 [11:33:34] <HappyLoaf> Like /tmp/hdd1 /tmp/hdd2
1036 [11:33:44] <HappyLoaf> Then mount each partition on each
location
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1038 [11:34:00] <blackflow> lol-md5: 2018-07-07, "Add
StartCom and WoSign certificates to mozilla/blacklist.txt..."
is what petn-randall is trying to say here
1039 [11:34:07] <HappyLoaf> mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/hdd1
1040 [11:34:07] <petn-randall> I would do it in /mnt/, because
/tmp is world-writeable, but apart from that I'd do that.
1041 [11:34:14] <nylonstrap> Oh ok, i was not sure that you could
mount two times from one disk :)
1042 [11:34:18] <HappyLoaf> Good point
1043 [11:34:34] <blackflow> lol-md5: actually, it was back in may,
I read the timestamp for the entry above.
1044 [11:34:48] <lol-md5> yep i see it now
1045 [11:34:51] <lol-md5> i'm v sorry
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1048 [11:35:03] <lol-md5> why is it called 20161130?
1049 [11:35:15] <nylonstrap> thanks HappyLoaf
1050 [11:35:16] <petn-randall> blackflow: 19 May 2017, though
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1053 [11:36:08] <themill> lol-md5: because that's the version
from stretch on top of which these changes are built. (and it's
not called that, it's called 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1)
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1056 [11:37:12] <themill> ,v libxen-4.8 --release stretch
1057 [11:37:13] <judd> Package: libxen-4.8 on amd64 -- stretch:
4.8.3+comet2+shim4.10.0+comet3-1+deb9u5
1058 [11:37:17] <themill> (for more confusion)
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1060 [11:37:52] <lol-md5> wew
1061 [11:38:02] <petn-randall> themill: Some devs surely are
scared of using an epoch ;)
1062 [11:38:19] <themill> petn-randall: that was a stretch-update
actually
1063 [11:38:37] <blackflow> petn-randall: yah, was reading
timestamp for the entry above it
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1086 [11:56:00] <fredl-pc> Any idea why Apache2 is statically
linked against libopenssl?
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1090 [11:57:56] <Haohmaru> grandma, y r ur teeth so big
1091 [11:58:15] <apollo13> :D
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1093 [11:58:35] <fredl-pc> ldd /usr/sbin/apache2 ?
1094 [11:58:46] <fredl-pc> No manual installation apollo13 :)
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1096 [11:59:35] <apollo13> fredl-pc: what do you think that ldd
tells you?
1097 [11:59:43] <Haohmaru> could it be maybe for security reasons?
1098 [11:59:54] <fredl-pc> shared object dependencies maybe?
1099 [11:59:58] <apollo13> Haohmaru: no, I think fredl-pc does
draw wrong conclusions
1100 [12:00:10] <apollo13> fredl-pc: maybe? so what makes you say
libopenssl is linked statically
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1103 [12:00:32] <fredl-pc> because it's not listed in the
output of ldd as a shared object dependency
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1106 [12:00:50] <apollo13> fredl-pc: that is the wrong conclusion
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1108 [12:01:01] <apollo13> mod_ssl is yet another loadable module
which apache dynamically loads
1109 [12:01:03] <fredl-pc> At best it's an incomplete
conclusion
1110 [12:01:04] <Haohmaru> wait, what if it dynamically decides to
load it or not
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1112 [12:01:14] <apollo13> so it will __never__ show ssl there
1113 [12:01:17] <fredl-pc> yes, hence incomplete.
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1115 [12:01:36] <fredl-pc> Not wrong, the world has grey shades,
not just black and white :P
1116 [12:01:41] <apollo13> *shrug*
1117 [12:02:02] <apollo13> drawing conclusions just because some
information isn't there is imo dangerous, but hey…
1118 [12:03:15] <apollo13> fredl-pc: fwiw; the better question imo
opinion would have been: "could it be that apache in debian
statically links libopenssl", cause your question indicates
that you verified that it does staically link openssl ;)
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1124 [12:03:57] <fredl-pc> mod_ssl.so indeed links libssl
1125 [12:04:14] <apollo13> I'd hope so :)
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1129 [12:04:27] <annadane> re certificates... /me trusts the
debian stable people to know what they're doing
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1179 [12:46:26] <lmw> Hi! Is it possible to run Debian Sid while
keeping the stable kernel?
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1182 [12:48:08] <Haohmaru> i think you can just install a kernel
with specific version..
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1184 [12:49:42] <p0g0_> lmw: that's likely undefined, and
I'd guess that there are times when the answer is no.
1185 [12:50:05] <p0g0_> Sid is where bleeding edge things happen,
and sometimes those are about a new kernel.
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1187 [12:51:42] <themill> lmw: yes, that should work fine
1188 [12:52:13] <lmw> Some say yes, some say no, … what
now?
1189 [12:52:28] <p0g0_> themill is a more adept agent here.
1190 [12:52:28] <themill> well, I know I'm right... but try
it and see.
1191 [12:52:33] <themill> ;)
1192 [12:52:52] <lmw> Okay, I will try. Thanks! :)
1193 [12:52:56] <themill> One of the questions would be why you
want to do that.
1194 [12:53:12] <lmw> Just experimenting :D
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1196 [12:54:02] <themill> If you go to a sufficiently old kernel
then some things will not work, but stable kernel/unstable are
pretty much always guaranteed to be OK, otherwise we wouldn't
be able to build software or do upgrades
1197 [12:54:34] <p0g0_> That's more my sense, that libraries
would get stale.
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1204 [12:57:23] <jake_> Hello all. I am running Debian [stretch]
with Gnome. When I close the laptop lid, it suspends/logs me out and
stops sending a display to my 2 external monitors. I have set in the
Tweaks, under [power], to not suspend on lid close. It doesn't
seem to have had any effect. How can I close the lid and have it
continue to display on my external monitors?
1205 [12:57:28] <Xsisec> Hello guys I am dualboting with windows
10 and debian, suddendly after I have opened the ext4 file system
from windows with a shitty tool, suddenly then when I start my
debian it get into emergency mode. It feels like its about the
mount/unmount thing_ now I am here from a debian live with usb.
could someone please help me out?
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1213 [13:00:19] <Xsisec> this is how my disks looks like inside
qparted -->
replaced-url
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1221 [13:03:16] <Haohmaru> this won't help you, but i
wouldn't let windows touch the linux
1222 [13:03:33] <Xsisec> I understood that from now..
1223 [13:04:41] <Haohmaru> if no one has better ideas, and if
you've not found anything useful on the internet based on the
errors you're getting - i'd suggest you backup anything
important that you got on the linux, and reinstall it *shrug*
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1227 [13:08:13] <p0g0_> Xsisec: did Windows bust your linux
filesystem? With that USB boot, you should (might) be able to use
the Debian Install CD Rescue mode to repair the file system.
1228 [13:08:43] <jake___> Ok now Gnome just crashed when I logon
with both monitors attached
1229 [13:08:46] <p0g0_> Depending on your setup, you may be able
to make that repair in other ways too.
1230 [13:09:09] <p0g0_> eh, he left
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1259 [13:36:23] <jackassboi> hello!
1260 [13:36:53] <jackassboi> I'm trying to setup a
client-server application
1261 [13:37:08] <jackassboi> the client reads a file and sends it
to the server with a socket
1262 [13:37:09] <jackassboi> but
1263 [13:37:15] <jackassboi> the socket returns broken pipe
1264 [13:37:21] <jackassboi> I've tried everything
1265 [13:37:33] <jackassboi> is it possible to be a configuration
in debian that's doing this?
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1269 [13:38:55] <blackflow> jackassboi: "sends it to the
server with a socket"? care to elaborate on this? what does the
application listening on that socket do? and this is maybe not
debian specfic at all, but network programming in general.
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1271 [13:39:47] <jackassboi> oh sorry, well the application
listening just reads the raw bytes and stores it back into a file in
it's own directory
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1273 [13:40:03] <jackassboi> basically just transfering the file
with raw bytes
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1275 [13:40:38] <jackassboi> I've tried the same code on
windows and android and it works
1276 [13:40:56] <jackassboi> and my guess is that a configuration
in debian is doing something, but I'm not sure
1277 [13:40:56] <blackflow> jackassboi: which programming language
is used? perhaps ask in a channel relevant to it.
1278 [13:41:00] <jackassboi> Java
1279 [13:41:18] <blackflow> I'm pretty sure this is not
something specific to debian as a distro.
1280 [13:42:05] <jackassboi> but why does it work on those other
platforms?
1281 [13:42:13] <blackflow> also, "broken pipe" implies
there's multiprocessing involved and one side of the pipe
connecting the processes closed.... I think #java here on Freenode
can be more helpful.
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1286 [13:42:57] <jackassboi> Cannot join #java (Channel is invite
only)
1287 [13:43:01] <jackassboi> when I try to join
1288 [13:43:03] <jackassboi> damn
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1292 [13:43:29] <blackflow> jackassboi: are you registered with
nickserv?
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1294 [13:43:41] <jackassboi> no
1295 [13:43:48] <jackassboi> i'll do it now
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1297 [13:43:55] <blackflow> yeah, the channel is +r
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1302 [13:45:33] <jackassboi> thanks anyway!
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1330 [14:05:12] <Haohmaru> well that's interesting.. i got
this scope connected to the computer (via USB), when i switched on
the scope - the debian got out of suspend o_O
1331 [14:06:18] <Something1> Maybe it gets out of suspend with any
USB activity
1332 [14:06:42] <Haohmaru> no, cuz both the mouse and keyboard are
on USB, and i can't wake it up with those
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1334 [14:06:51] <Haohmaru> it only responds to pressing the power
button
1335 [14:07:16] <oerheks> maybe the button on that scope acts like
a power button trigger too
1336 [14:07:19] <Haohmaru> when it's in suspend - i think it
shuts off the power on the USB
1337 [14:08:33] <Haohmaru> btw, the scope has also a USB-A (host)
port, i think it's for usb mass storage, it's possible
that the scope can appear as either a composite device and/or a USB
hub or something weird like that
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1378 [14:50:11] <syntaxx> I am trying to install lvm via preseed.
however, whenever I come to partition disk it says unable to install
on the logical volume because it is also consist of physical volume
on other device. I checked all physical disk and it only has 1 pv
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1453 [15:48:27] <carp_> Hi, when I do apt-get upgrade it says The
following packages have been held back: linux-headers-686-pae
linux-image-686-pae
1454 [15:48:39] <carp_> Is this normal, something I need to worry
about perhaps?
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1473 [15:57:08] <petn-randall> carp_: `apt-get dist-upgrade` will
install them. By default `apt-get upgrade` won't take any
action that would result in any packages getting removed or
installed.
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1482 [16:02:18] <carp_> petn-randall: Ah i see that a new version
of debian has been released 2 days ago, yes that must be it.
Thankyou
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1537 [16:29:49] <petn-randall> carp_: You mean the point release?
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1539 [16:30:26] <zentris> Who is in charge of the debian wiki, in
regards to account creation?
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1541 [16:30:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
1542 [16:30:47] *** greycat changes topic to 'Debian Stretch: /msg
dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.5 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg
dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ;
/msg dpkg 8.10 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people |
offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing, unstable: #debian-next @
irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog'
1543 [16:30:53] <greycat> (9.4 -> 9.5)
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1545 [16:31:41] <zentris> I worked on some ideas in regards to a
new theme proposal for Debian Buster last night. I was wondering if
I can get an opinion from anyone here.
1546 [16:31:57] <zentris> Here are 4 samples of some ideas, which
one do you like best:
replaced-url
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1548 [16:32:36] <petn-randall> zentris: Looks good! Let me find
the docs about theming proposals for buster ...
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1550 [16:33:01] <petn-randall> zentris:
replaced-url
1551 [16:33:19] <zentris> I've seen the docs, the issue is
that I want to post a theme on the wiki on behalf of my
website/business versus my own identity
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1553 [16:33:28] <zentris> and I cannot seem to make an account
1554 [16:33:38] <annadane> i do like those designs. :)
1555 [16:33:52] <zentris> I've emailed the email provided in
the error msg
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1557 [16:34:05] <annadane> can also try #debian-replaced-url
1558 [16:34:14] <niggger> annadane: hello
1559 [16:34:19] <niggger> are you a fart?
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1562 [16:34:33] <niggger> omg wtf how am i so funny?
1563 [16:34:34] <zentris> alright, might just wait for an email
response
1564 [16:34:38] <niggger> hi greycat
1565 [16:34:42] <niggger> do you like me?
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1569 [16:35:07] <zentris> yeah I was wondering why someone with a
name like that...
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1572 [16:35:29] * dgp thought it was the early 2000s again
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1579 [16:40:20] <carp_> petn-randall: Yeah Ive now
'dist-upgrade' and installed the point release and its all
up to date again. Didnt even have to close my browser or anything,
debian is amazing :)
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1581 [16:40:40] <annadane> well for kernels you probably have to
rebot
1582 [16:40:41] <annadane> reboot
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1591 [16:45:51] <SerajewelKS> carp_: yeah, what annadane said. for
kernel or some systemd upgrades, you need to reboot. also, see
checkrestart in the debian-goodies package, which will tell you what
programs you need to restart if you aren't going to or
don't have to reboot.
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1612 [16:55:32] <asyd> morning folks. I have an issue with nvidia
driver on debian sid since 390.67 upgrade (and it's not
slab_common.usercopy_fallback=y). Xorg start but complains with
"Failed to initialize the GLX module;" so all 3d softwares
are not working
1613 [16:55:44] <greycat> !debian-next
1614 [16:55:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1615 [16:55:59] <asyd> my bad
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1630 [17:06:34] <carp_> SerajewelKS: Yeah, I turn this machine off
every day too, just a personal home computer.
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1637 [17:08:25] <carp_> Something that is strange though is that
when I turn the computer on, the fan on the back of the case spins
up, but then after 10 seconds it stops and tells me there is a
problem with the fan, and asks me to press F1 to continue.
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1642 [17:09:51] <carp_> Currently I have the side panel off and a
big desk fan blasting into the machine haha
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1647 [17:12:04] <annadane> i'm not the biggest fan of this
idea
1648 [17:12:39] <petn-randall> carp_: Sounds like a hardware issue
(which is out of scope for #debian).
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1650 [17:12:55] <annadane> ##hardware
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1652 [17:13:13] <carp_> righto, thanks.
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1657 [17:16:12] <blackflow> annadane: badum-tss?
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1681 [17:32:07] <lizardlarry> any suggestions on how to unblock a
hardblock. I ran rfkill
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1685 [17:33:29] <Brigo> lizardlarry, usually there is a button for
that
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1688 [17:34:53] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: "hardblock"
usually means that there's a physical switch you need to flip.
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1694 [17:39:35] <lizardlarry> when I toggle the f12 on my keyboard
(the airplane mode in the original windows system) the softblock
goes on and off but no the hardblock
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1697 [17:40:10] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: No physical switch on
the sides somewhere?
1698 [17:40:10] <msl09> Idk if I should ask here or on kde channel
but using stretch the behaviour "tray
icons"/"notificaiton area" is very strange
1699 [17:40:28] <msl09> some you click some application and it
doesn't open when it was supposed to or when you right click
it, it doesn't open the menu (when it exists)
1700 [17:40:36] <Raybih> Interpretatio Christiana
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1704 [17:42:48] <petn-randall> Raybih: wrong channel?
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1708 [17:43:59] <ksk> rather spamming.
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1711 [17:45:43] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall not that i know of. I
am using a standard hp sleekbook.
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1714 [17:47:42] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: Seems to be a common
problem on Windows, too. I don't know how to fix that.
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1718 [17:52:27] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall I added this scrip
blacklist hp_wmi but that didnt work. I am thinking of uninstalling
the wifi driver but I do not know how to do this.
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1723 [17:56:02] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall to be more clear the
script was 'blacklist hp_wmi' in the /etc/modprob.d
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1743 [18:01:25] <Sokomine> hi. no progress regarding booting my
encrypted partition :-( the initrd/initramfs doesn't seem to
discover any devices at all. no /dev/sda1, no /dev/disk-by-label/
...what am i doing wrong?
1744 [18:02:01] <ksk> Sokomine: if you use lvm, did you start it?
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1746 [18:02:21] <ksk> mhm nvm, you should have some devs then
still
1747 [18:02:26] <Sokomine> there's complaint at the start
about lvm not beeing available; however, i don't use lvm
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1754 [18:04:01] <Sokomine> i can manually mount the root fs (form
my current system) through the usual losetup /dev/loop1 /dev/sdb2;
cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop1 croot; mount -o rw -o noatime
/dev/mapper/croot /somewhere
1755 [18:04:15] <Sokomine> the boot partition is not encrypted
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1757 [18:05:11] <Sokomine> the devices somehow really don't
show up in the initramfs. i wonder why
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1762 [18:05:43] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: How is that related to
your problem?
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1767 [18:08:37] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall I read it on a forum.
I dont exactly how it would be. Some people said that the hp_wmi was
the cause of the hardblock for them.
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1770 [18:09:37] <annadane> can anyone with double commander tell
me if there's an option in stretch for keyboard shortcuts for
switching between left and right pane? it's there in sid and i
can't seem to find it in stretch
1771 [18:10:20] <annadane> or, well, i guess i can see what the
sid version of it uses for that and create it in this one
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1774 [18:11:53] <annadane> or better idea, search the internet for
the syntax
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1776 [18:12:40] <annadane> oh. ok. it's literally just tab.
and it's there by default.
1777 [18:12:45] <annadane> i'm going to go crawl into a hole
and die.
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1779 [18:13:37] <Sokomine> annadane: no worry. but it's fine
that you found the right shortcut and where able to solve your
problem
1780 [18:14:27] <lizardlarry> @annadane relax dude. No one knows
who you are, plus ELE.
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1790 [18:17:57] <lizardlarry> @petn-randall do you think
uninstalling the wifi module then reinstall could help?
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1792 [18:18:59] <annadane> some irc clients don't notify with
@
1793 [18:19:03] <annadane> just say the person's name
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1802 [18:22:56] <lizardlarry> annadane like this :)
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1804 [18:23:25] <petn-randall> Yes, this isn't twitter, nor
Perl. ;)
1805 [18:23:25] <annadane> ok but now, like, actually highlight
the person you're asking a question to
1806 [18:23:31] <annadane> oh. he's here. never mind.
1807 [18:24:24] <petn-randall> lizardlarry: If you added that,
you'd need to reboot and then check with `lsmod | grep hp_wmi`
that the module did not get loaded.
1808 [18:24:31] <annadane> your irc client can probably do tab
completion. type the first few letters and tab
1809 [18:25:03] <annadane> and yes i'm aware of the irony of
not being able to find tab in double commander and advising someone
to use t... never mind
1810 [18:25:22] <lizardlarry> petn-randall: I can the command
nothing came up
1811 [18:25:37] <lizardlarry> annadane I dont got tab completion
1812 [18:25:42] <annadane> tragedy.
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1816 [18:26:40] <lizardlarry> ran***
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1825 [18:30:20] <lizardlarry> petn-randall thanks for your help.
Dont know where to go from here but I'll keep trying
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1831 [18:32:52] <jhutchins_wk> Did we already determine which
driver is the correct one using the pciid of the chipset?
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1862 [18:54:02] <NetTerminalGene> i heard apt is way superior than
rpm package system. bot can install softwares without problem. did i
miss something?
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1865 [18:57:05] <greycat> dpkg, forget your not... why,.
1866 [18:57:05] <dpkg> i didn't have anything called
'your not... why,.' to forget, greycat
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1868 [18:57:27] <greycat> dpkg, forget your not... why,
1869 [18:57:29] <dpkg> i forgot your not... why,, greycat
1870 [18:58:50] <annadane> NetTerminalGene, i'm assuming bot
= both, otherwise i don't understand the question
1871 [18:59:39] <NetTerminalGene> yeah both.
1872 [19:00:17] <mnuhmnuh> NetTerminalGene: they both work. rh
makes piles of cash every day with theirs.
1873 [19:00:44] <blackflow> also, to compare apples with apples,
rpm compares to deb. apt compares to yum or dnf.
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1878 [19:03:47] <greycat>
replaced-url
1879 [19:03:48] <mnuhmnuh> suse still uses rpm too, yes?
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1881 [19:04:52] <greycat> The one thing I'm not seeing on the
page, which is a HUUUUUGE issue in #bash, is the actual structure of
the .rpm file *names*. .rpm files just hyphens between the pacakge
name and version, but hyphens are allowed INSIDE a package name too,
so it's hard to parse the file name.
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1888 [19:06:39] <greycat> whereas .deb file names use _ between
package name and version and architecture, and _ is NOT allowed
inside a package name, version, or architecture. Almost like someone
had a brain.
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1890 [19:07:03] <Sokomine> any ideas why my encrypted root
won't boot? even ran dpkg-reconfigure kernel-package-name in
chroot
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1893 [19:07:53] <jhutchins_wk> There's a big difference in
how the repos are managed as well, an RPM repo will contain EVERY
version of a package released for a distro, so for something like
RHEL5 that's been out for several years, the repo is HUGE.
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1895 [19:08:29] <jhutchins_wk> I believe rpm also stores more
metadata about installed packages (but I'm not positive about
that).
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1897 [19:09:20] <annadane> you install rpm's in debian via
the alien package
1898 [19:09:25] <annadane> *you can install
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1900 [19:09:33] <greycat> No, you don't. Unless you like a
broken computer.
1901 [19:09:41] <annadane> fair.
1902 [19:09:51] <pingfloyd> that's probably worse than mixing
releases
1903 [19:09:51] <annadane> oh, right, it's not recommended
1904 [19:09:54] <annadane> i had forgotten about that
1905 [19:10:35] <petn-randall> Sokomine: You need to add a lot
more info for us to be able to answer. Start with what error you get
when you try booting.
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1921 [19:20:58] <Sokomine> ah. i get cryptsetup (croot): lvm is
not available. which is true..it really isn't available. i do
not use lvm
1922 [19:21:55] <Sokomine> when initramfs finally gives up and
tells me that a device with the given uuid doesn't exist (i
checked with the running system that it's the right one), there
are no /dev/sda1 etc. and no /dev/disk-by-label/ devices at all
1923 [19:22:25] <Sokomine> so it's no wonder that it
can't mount root. but: why are those devices not discovered?
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1926 [19:24:28] <petn-randall> Sokomine: How did you install the
machine?
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1932 [19:29:18] <Sokomine> copied it over via rsync from my
current installation
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1934 [19:30:45] <Sokomine> then somehow got grub2 to run. it boots
- it even asks for the password. that it managed to decrypt the
partition can be seen by grub's menu changing the background to
the image from the encrypted partition. this doesn't happen if
the password is misspelled
1935 [19:30:59] <Sokomine> but then...when trying to actually
boot...no success :-(
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1943 [19:35:25] <Sokomine> i mount the device with the copied root
file system as above. then mount -o rw -o noatime /dev/mapper/croot
/mntn2; mount -o bind /proc /mntn2/proc; mount -o bind /dev
/mntn2/dev; mount -o bind /dev/pts /mntn2/dev/pts; mount -o bind
/sys /mntn2/sys; mount -o bind /tmp /mntn2/tmp; cd /mntn2; chroot
/mntn2 /bin/bash; there: dpkg-reconfigure
linux-image-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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1946 [19:37:13] <Sokomine> is there anything wrong with those
steps?
1947 [19:37:36] <Sokomine> it has to be something obvious
somewhere :-/
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1949 [19:38:27] <Sokomine> ah yes, and a mount /dev/sdb1 /boot
before the dpkg-reconfigure
1950 [19:38:46] <Sokomine> but that's about
it...dpkg-reconfigure of the kernel doesn't complain
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1956 [19:40:29] <Sokomine> petn-randall: is that helpful
information? or something missing?
1957 [19:41:46] <Sokomine> ok...dpkg-reconfigure
kernelimage_package doesn't add a new grub config file. perhaps
doing that anew could help as well
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2000 [19:58:04] <Mot0Kus4n> Hey, how can i edit /etc/resolv.conf
and avoid to rewrite anytime?
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2002 [19:58:31] <Mot0Kus4n> i modify but when i restart i have to
modify or do #dhclient -r | #dhclient
2003 [19:58:37] <Mot0Kus4n> and start to navegate
2004 [19:59:04] <greycat> !fixresolvconf
2005 [19:59:04] <dpkg> To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit
/etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to
use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use
<resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e
"nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" >
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and
w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about
<fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
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2007 [19:59:27] <greycat> !override dns
2008 [19:59:27] <dpkg> To have dhclient use a specific nameserver
rather than one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede
domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >>
/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf; man 5 dhclient.conf for more. You can also
use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or
remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in
dhclient.conf. Beware crazy ideas like chattr +i.
replaced-url
2009 [19:59:34] <Mot0Kus4n> thankx
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2012 [20:00:10] <greycat> For what it's worth, *I* do not
consider chattr to be a "crazy idea", but some other
people do.
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2014 [20:00:50] <greycat> These other people do not have the
decades of experience that I do, banging my head against a wall,
trying to get the damned thing to Just Leave The Fucking File Alone,
so I forgive them.
2015 [20:02:02] <Sokomine> greycat: :-) i hope my installation
will start to work without too much damage to my head. right now
there's a serious risk :-)
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2017 [20:02:08] <Sokomine> anyway...will try it again...
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2022 [20:03:27] <blackflow> lol, such a dumb idea... listed as
_first_ solution by none other than nixcraft
2023 [20:03:58] <greycat> And the *only* solution that works
across all Linuxes.
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2027 [20:05:19] <greycat> "Do I spend hours trying to track
down how to 'fix' this the 'right way' on CentOS
and then another hour verifying that the actual vendor didn't
modify this part of CentOS... or do I just chattr the bastard?"
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2031 [20:08:09] <blackflow> "We've found chattr not to
be a 100% robust solution, so we mount a special directory from
cdrom and symlink resolv.conf into there"
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2034 [20:08:32] <greycat> anything that will undo a chattr will
unlink a symlink
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2036 [20:08:56] <blackflow> that's why it's funny :)
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2038 [20:08:58] <greycat> To date I have not found anything that
undoes a chattr.
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2040 [20:09:11] <blackflow> greycat: tmpfs? ;)
2041 [20:09:26] <blackflow> isn't resolv.conf symlinked to
somwhere into /run these days?
2042 [20:09:28] <greycat> I don't understand what you're
asking.
2043 [20:09:34] <greycat> No, not by default it isn't.
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2045 [20:09:44] <greycat> Only if you hand over control to
resolvconf or nm.
2046 [20:09:56] <blackflow> ah.
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2048 [20:10:40] <greycat> *My* goal is to stop EVERYTHING from
touching the file, because it's not a fucking laptop, it's
not a fucking tablet, it's not migrating across networks, I
KNOW what I want resolv.conf to contain, and I don't want
anything to CHANGE IT.
2049 [20:10:48] <zerocool> blackflow: running stretch my edits to
/etc/resolv.conf work immediately
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2051 [20:11:09] <greycat> zerocool: and then in a few hours, when
the DHCP client daemon renews the lease...?
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2053 [20:11:44] <blackflow> I personally don't have a
problemw ith resolv.conf, I configure dhcp not to touchh it, and on
static configuration systems there's no dhclient or resolvconf
or NM or systemd-resolved (yuck!)
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2055 [20:12:12] <zerocool> actually im transfering into the volume
over ssh maybe that's it
2056 [20:12:15] <zerocool> whoops
2057 [20:12:19] <blackflow> in fact I don't remember ever
having to chattr the thing. finding what modifies it was always
relatively straightforward.
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2060 [20:13:07] <zerocool> greycat: i may have turned it off
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2067 [20:14:34] <greycat> The "obvious" way is to tell
dhcp-client not to ask for resolvers, and on some networks, that
works. On other networks, even if dhcp-client does not ask, the DHCP
server *still* sends resolvers, and then dhcp-client edits the file.
2068 [20:14:56] <Sokomine> greycat: would be great if tablets and
phones could eventually be actually owned and used
2069 [20:15:18] <greycat> So then you try to figure out how to
tell dhcp-client not to edit the file IN THE FIRST PLACE, and the
obvious way to try to learn how to do THAT is to read "man
dhclient.conf", and you can read that file up and down and
backwards and forwards and it's NOT IN THERE.
2070 [20:15:42] <greycat> It's not even in the SEE ALSOs.
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2072 [20:16:00] <blackflow> so you uninstall dhclient for dhcpcd?
:)
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2076 [20:16:23] <greycat> The only way to find out how to tell
dhcp-client not to edit the file IN THE FIRST PLACE is to backtrack
UP to "man dhclient" and the follow the SEE ALSOs to
"man dhclient-script".
2077 [20:16:29] <greycat> And good luck figuring THAT out on your
own.
2078 [20:17:10] <blackflow> much anger. as if you've been
doing this for over ten years ;)
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2082 [20:17:53] <greycat> So you spend hours, days, weeks, banging
your head against the walls, never being able to figure out WHY THE
FUCK this program doesn't have a simple OFF SWITCH for this
ludicrous behavior, and then you start to see why chattr +i
/etc/resolv.conf is NOT so bad after all.
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2085 [20:18:15] <greycat> It takes seconds, it's simple,
it's intuitive, it works on all systems. It actually works.
2086 [20:18:27] <greycat> But people say it's
"crazy".
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2088 [20:19:28] <annadane> i love this channel.
2089 [20:20:32] <blackflow> mounting resolv.conf from a readonly
cdrom also works. is the TheRightThingToDo(tm) tho?
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2093 [20:20:58] <greycat> You could mount a loopback file system
read-only. No need for a CD-ROM.
2094 [20:21:40] <greycat> But... you can't mount it on a
FILE. You can only mount on a directory. So you would still have a
removable symlink in the "real" /etc.
2095 [20:21:42] <blackflow> I like exaggerating. :) the problme
with chattr is that you forget about it. and it's not
immediately visible it's there.
2096 [20:22:18] <blackflow> similar to ACLs or a MAC. Y U NO
DELETE! oooooooh, facl!
2097 [20:22:39] <greycat> Sure, but you get an error when you try
to save inside vi, and then you can :!chattr -i %
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2100 [20:24:37] <blackflow> I personally don't like that
solution. it's wrong. it's like wearing full rubber suit
around your house because there are exposed electrical wires.
instead of insulating the wires. lol best analogy I could come up
with, sowwy.
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2103 [20:24:58] <OnceMe> useradd: Can't get unique
subordinate UID range
2104 [20:25:00] <blackflow> as in, fixing the result, not the
cause.
2105 [20:25:19] <OnceMe> I've changed adduser.conf and
/etc/login.defs where I raised UID_MAX and GID_MAX in login.defs to
60000 and also LAST_UID and LAST_GID in adduser.conf set to 59999
2106 [20:25:26] <OnceMe> what to reset next>
2107 [20:25:40] <OnceMe> linux 4.9.0-6-amd64
2108 [20:25:44] <OnceMe> kernel
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2118 [20:28:57] <blackflow> how many uids you have there man...
wth is this?
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2121 [20:29:25] * Sokomine throws some uuids in that don't get read
at boot time
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2125 [20:29:58] <arunpyasi> what is the default mysql version in
stretch ?
2126 [20:30:03] <FinalX> none
2127 [20:30:11] <greycat> mariadb 10.something
2128 [20:30:13] <FinalX> there is no mysql in stretch,
there's only mariadb
2129 [20:30:21] <FinalX> and mariadb 10.1 is ~ mysql 5.6
2130 [20:30:26] <greycat> ,v mariadb-server
2131 [20:30:27] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie:
10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1;
jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.30-0+deb8u2; jessie:
10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; stretch:
10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; experimental:
10.3.0-0+exp1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp2; buster: 1:10.1.29-6;
sid: 1:10.1.29-6
2132 [20:30:43] <FinalX> if you must have mysql, they have their
own official repository, also for stretch.
2133 [20:30:58] <FinalX> otherwise mariadb-server is a more than
capable drop-in replacement.
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2135 [20:31:14] <FinalX> (it's a mysql fork from the
*original* authors of mysql)
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2143 [20:34:36] <greycat> bug #860928
2144 [20:34:37] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2146 [20:36:22] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2151 [20:37:51] <greycat> dpkg, no, override dns is
<reply>To have dhclient (et al.) leave your /etc/resolv.conf
file alone, see <replaced-url
2152 [20:37:51] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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2169 [20:43:50] <Guest3712> greycat: not dure if I got the context
right from backlog, but Imo you *can* mount on a file - bind-mount
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2173 [20:44:40] <greycat> you can mount a loopback file system in
such a way that /etc/resolv.conf is the only thing affected in all
of /etc ?
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2175 [20:45:15] <greycat> and is that really preferably to chattr
+i?
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2183 [20:46:56] <Guest3712> you'd have to mount the loopback
fs somewhere, and then mount --bind
<somewhere>/etc/resolf.conf <dest>/etc/resolv.conf
2184 [20:48:16] <greycat> somewhere else. The call is:
2185 [20:48:16] <greycat> mount --bind olddir newdir
2186 [20:48:39] <greycat> ... oh, it says something about files
below that.
2187 [20:48:44] <Guest3712> read further n the manpage
2188 [20:48:50] <arunpyasi> FinalX, I installed mariadb on an
existing mysql-community-server and I am getting the following
error:
replaced-url
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2193 [20:49:36] <greycat> I hate it when authors write that way.
"Here the general syntax which only shows one subset of the
actual usage"
andhereisawalloftextbelowthatwhichlistsexceptionsthatyoucannotcomprehend
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2195 [20:49:52] <Guest3712> true
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2199 [20:50:11] <Guest3712> prolly later version of mount
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2203 [20:52:40] <Guest3712> currently have a large hosts file on
my sdcard that wouldn't fit on android system partition, and
since I cannot symlink across part. boundaries - bind-mount
2204 [20:52:49] <arunpyasi> FinalX, ok, I fixed it :D by removing
tc.log :D
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2212 [20:58:30] <OnceMe> why nobody helps?
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2219 [21:01:15] <annadane> i think blackflow kinda started to
answer
2220 [21:01:21] <annadane> i'd help if i knew the answer
2221 [21:01:38] <annadane> alas, i am a moron and probably
shouldn't be in irc at all
2222 [21:02:06] <annadane> OnceMe, try reposting your question?
2223 [21:02:16] <greycat> man page says that the default values of
UID_MAX and GID_MAX are already 60000 so it's not clear that
you actually changed anything
2224 [21:02:21] <OnceMe> blackflow: how to check
2225 [21:02:27] <OnceMe> how many uids I have?
2226 [21:02:36] <greycat> wc -l /etc/passwd
2227 [21:02:46] <greycat> or whatever you use for accounts
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2232 [21:03:31] <OnceMe> 36723
2233 [21:03:53] <blackflow> annadane: I was actually just
wondering what kind of system is that if the regular UID space is
exhausted.
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2236 [21:04:10] <greycat> you seriously made thirty-six THOUSAND
unix accounts?
2237 [21:04:26] <greycat> on one computer, no NIS, no LDAP, ...?
2238 [21:04:27] <OnceMe> yes
2239 [21:04:30] <OnceMe> in for loop
2240 [21:04:31] <OnceMe> :D
2241 [21:04:58] <blackflow> now do it again, for each primary UID
namespace
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2243 [21:05:06] <OnceMe> ?
2244 [21:05:09] <OnceMe> I think this is issue
replaced-url
2245 [21:05:10] <blackflow> joke.
2246 [21:05:20] <OnceMe> find_new_sub_uids returns exit code 15
2247 [21:05:22] <OnceMe> 16(
2248 [21:05:24] <OnceMe> 16*
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2252 [21:05:39] <OnceMe> from here
replaced-url
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2254 [21:05:43] <greycat> *sigh*
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2256 [21:05:56] <OnceMe> not sure why I cant obtain uid
2257 [21:06:02] <greycat> OnceMe: are you actually trying to do
something REAL, or are you just trying to find a bug in a random C
program?
2258 [21:06:17] <blackflow> OnceMe: btw, did you check google? the
frist result for that literal error you have suggests
SUB_UID_(MIN|MAX|COUNT) something something
2259 [21:06:19] <greycat> If you're just bug-hunting, this
isn't the right channel. File a bug report.
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2263 [21:07:38] <OnceMe> im not bug hunting
2264 [21:07:43] <OnceMe> blackes__: sub_uid in which file
2265 [21:07:46] <greycat> OnceMe: what are you trying to do?
2266 [21:07:48] <OnceMe> adduser.conf or login.defs ?
2267 [21:09:19] <Guest3712> possibilities I couldthink of: not
starting loop count at 0 ; accidentall bumping into 1 existing UID
after 33000 non-existing ones ...
2268 [21:09:45] <OnceMe> how can I check if uid exist
2269 [21:09:49] <OnceMe> I did run adduser with strace
2270 [21:09:54] <OnceMe> seeing more in depth error
2271 [21:10:10] <OnceMe> The default values for SUB_GID_MIN,
SUB_GID_MAX, SUB_GID_COUNT are respectively 100000, 600100000 and
10000.
2272 [21:10:16] <OnceMe> I dont think I need to set this one
2273 [21:10:57] <Guest3712> dunno, man -K UID and half an hour of
patience?
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2279 [21:12:03] <OnceMe> ?
2280 [21:12:15] <greycat> OnceMe: to check a given UID, "id
1000" or "getent passwd 1000"
2281 [21:12:21] <greycat> OnceMe: Now, what are you trying to do?
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2284 [21:13:04] <OnceMe> that returns 2
2285 [21:13:07] <OnceMe> means its not used
2286 [21:13:13] <OnceMe> but useradd cannot obtain that uid
2287 [21:13:17] <OnceMe> wtf on earth is happening
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2290 [21:13:57] <greycat> sounds to me like you're really
just trying to stretch this program to its limits so you can file a
bug report on it, and YOU HAVE NO ACTUAL GOAL OTHER THAN THIS
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2292 [21:14:34] <OnceMe> im not a bug hunter man
2293 [21:14:44] <OnceMe> it just weird it cannot obtain next uid
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2295 [21:14:50] <OnceMe> when limits in adduser.conf and
login.defs are in place
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2297 [21:14:56] <OnceMe> it must be something that I miss
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2299 [21:15:11] <razer2> Has anyone thought it might be better if
XFCE was the default Debian desktop? Was it in the past?
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2301 [21:16:05] <razer2> I've had trouble with audio working
properly in the Gnome Desktop and the Software app at times and just
thinking.
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2303 [21:16:12] <greycat> Why does anyone care what the default
choice is? Use what you want.
2304 [21:16:24] <blackflow> OnceMe: uhm... what do you think those
limits do actually? maintain an infinite supply of uids?
2305 [21:16:36] <razer2> greycat, That is a good point. As long as
people know about it. I'm thinking more about first time users.
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2307 [21:16:45] <OnceMe> hold up
2308 [21:16:51] <OnceMe> Im hitting SUB_UID_MAX default value
limit
2309 [21:16:57] <OnceMe> damn
2310 [21:17:03] <razer2> Just a thought, not much more I can say.
2311 [21:17:19] <OnceMe> can I go above 600100000 ?
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2318 [21:19:36] <Guest3712> razer2: I'd think the audio
system is relatively independent of DE - in most cases, it will be
pulse -> alsa today
2319 [21:19:36] <blackflow> greycat: because choice is inherently
bad for new users, or at least those who haven't tried all the
DEs and have personal experience to rely on. people want defaults,
want recommendations. the greatest power of foss is also one of its
weak points: choice.
2320 [21:20:06] <greycat> I don't know who chose GNOME 3 as
the default or why, but it's definitely not what I would have
chosen.
2321 [21:20:07] <blackflow> FearOfMissingOut(tm) too
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2324 [21:21:36] <annadane> i'd change it, personally.
it's not intuitive for beginners.
2325 [21:21:41] <annadane> xfce would be fine.
2326 [21:21:56] <greycat> the people in this channel generally
don't have any power to enact such changes
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2329 [21:22:22] <Guest3712> razer2: apps not finding audio can be
their audio out set to something wrong, or 'auto' not
working
2330 [21:22:55] <greycat> or you need to run pavucontrol or
something
2331 [21:23:23] <annadane> oh. razer already mentioned xfce.
2332 [21:23:28] <annadane> i read, like, 2 lines of conversation
2333 [21:23:31] <Guest3712> razer2: if you have pulse, in most DEs
a right click on the Volume icon will give you the pulse audio
control gui - aka pavucontrol
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2336 [21:23:46] <razer2> Guest3712, The issue is audio stuttering
and skipping. There is a fix which is to turn on real time
scheduling in pulse audio. It is a wide problem.
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2338 [21:24:00] <Guest3712> ooof
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2340 [21:24:05] <razer2> I mean turn off real time scheduling
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2342 [21:24:41] <Tenkawa> uggh I hate realtek usb card readers
2343 [21:24:46] <razer2> greycat, Yes, audio works fine in XFCE.
I've tried gnome in Debian and Fedora and the audio stutters
and skips.
2344 [21:24:53] <razer2> I have an extremely powerful computer
too.
2345 [21:25:47] <Guest3712> real time scheduling should not be on
unless you have a rt/low-latency kernel, my 2ct
2346 [21:26:09] <razer2> greycat, Ah, ok. What Desktiop do you
use?
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2349 [21:26:34] <greycat> None.
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2351 [21:26:43] <Guest3712> you can run pasuspender and test if
everything runs fine w/ alsa only
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2353 [21:27:17] <razer2> greycat, Yeah, but window manager. Do you
not use xorg?
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2355 [21:27:26] <greycat> I use startx + fvwm
2356 [21:27:40] <Tenkawa> good ole fvwm... the memories
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2359 [21:27:52] <razer2> I've gone back and forth between
XFCE and Awsome/DWM
2360 [21:28:03] <annadane> all the fvwm documentation i've
been able to find is from like 2004 which i suppose is the point
2361 [21:28:46] <Tenkawa> it goes way back before that
2362 [21:28:56] <Tenkawa> its been around forever
2363 [21:28:59] <razer2> I found DWM to be a bit confusing even
after I got the hang of it I still had questions. I also wonder if
there would be any way to prevent the window ghost stamp effect and
if I was using it right all the time.
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2365 [21:29:10] <Guest3712> you can familarize yourself with the
pulse cli, it's either pactl or pacmd, razer2
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2367 [21:29:20] <annadane> my implication was that the basics
haven't changed
2368 [21:29:26] <Tenkawa> ahh
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2370 [21:29:29] <annadane> good luck using KDE documentation from
2004
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2372 [21:29:46] <annadane> but then again maybe i just suck at
searching
2373 [21:29:53] <razer2> Guest3712, I don't think I need to.
I did find somebody else having the problem and turned off the real
time scheduling in the pulse audio config file, but audio should
work out of the box.
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2375 [21:30:33] <Tenkawa> I got my start with twm
2376 [21:30:38] <razer2> I'd like to try FVWM, I recently
heard somebody else reference that.
2377 [21:30:40] <Tenkawa> it was.... intriguing
2378 [21:30:45] <razer2> I used motif in the Unix days.
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2380 [21:31:26] <Tenkawa> yeah
2381 [21:31:31] <Tenkawa> that was fun
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2383 [21:32:01] <razer2> twm was the original default x11 I read.
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2385 [21:32:14] <greycat> Yeah, pretty much.
2386 [21:32:35] <Tenkawa> I was sysadminning at&t and ncr svr
boxes
2387 [21:32:38] <greycat> On a commercial unix workstation, you
probably had twm, and whatever fledgling "desktop" they
were trying to create.
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2389 [21:32:53] <Tenkawa> so yeah twm is what you had
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2392 [21:33:08] <Guest3712> that looks like a bug - default shout
be rt sheduling off. I'd be curious where pulde is getting that
config from, razer2
2393 [21:33:21] <Guest3712> pulse
2394 [21:33:23] <annadane> i just can't believe xfce is
*slow* on this computer. this pc must really suck
2395 [21:33:48] <razer2> greycat, What other WM's have you
tried before deciding on FVWM. I'd like to give FVWM a try.
2396 [21:33:59] <Tenkawa> xfce should be pretty zippy on almost
anything unless something else is contending
2397 [21:34:04] <Tenkawa> I'd check tp
2398 [21:34:04] <razer2> Guest3712, That is strange. It was on by
default with Debian.
2399 [21:34:06] <Tenkawa> er top
2400 [21:34:14] <greycat> I think the only ones I've ever
used are twm, fvwm, and Common Desktop Environment(tm).
2401 [21:34:16] <blackflow> annadane: something something disable
compositor if it can't use gpu accel
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2404 [21:34:45] <annadane> maybe
2405 [21:35:00] <greycat> (install nonfree firmware)
2406 [21:35:30] <annadane> it's probably just because i
don't have an ssd like the cool kids
2407 [21:35:35] <annadane> because i want more than 5 GB of space
2408 [21:35:38] <razer2> I have a an intel i7 7700k and dedicated
E-MU sound processor. So the audio should not be skipping.
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2412 [21:36:51] <Guest3712> razer2: afaik, rt sheduling of the
various audio servers is meant for use in audio recording setups,
with a rt/low-latency kernel, and a setup of allowing userspace apps
to run with rt privileges , by means of an 'audio' group
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2417 [21:39:09] <Guest3712> if puse is running fine under xfce,
razer2 , and you have the possibility to compare, you could check if
pulse is using rt under xfce, or not, (and if it is running at all)
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2419 [21:39:15] <annadane> if i'm using the nvidia bulls...
sorry, i mean, driver, i wonder whether disabling the compositor and
using it as is, leaving the compositor on, or disabling the
compositor and using compton results in the best performance
2420 [21:39:28] <blackflow> annadane: areplaced-url
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2422 [21:39:45] <annadane> not a hater! i just can't find
anything good space-wise
2423 [21:39:52] <annadane> i'd drop everything and buy one if
i could
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2427 [21:41:04] <blackflow> space-wise or monies-wise. they be
expensive, aye.
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2430 [21:42:29] <annadane> space.
2431 [21:42:39] <annadane> anyway, off topic
2432 [21:43:17] <blackflow> Samsung EVO 850 1TB thingy has been
good to me. /drops offtopic
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2435 [21:44:07] <Guest3712> off, topic!
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2437 [21:45:21] <Tenkawa> anyone versed with setting usb port
modes by hand?
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2480 [22:07:07] <kalin> hi all
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2485 [22:07:55] <kalin> can someone tell me what player support
.json video sream
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2487 [22:08:33] <greycat> .json does not sound like a video
container format
2488 [22:08:58] <greycat> JSON is Javascript Object Notation, a
way of representing data for applications
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2491 [22:09:46] <kalin> ok, i use Da player for android on my
phone to watch iptv
2492 [22:10:09] <kalin> and i use alternative for debian
2493 [22:11:17] <greycat> If I had to guess (and I do, never heard
of ANY of those things except "android"), you clicked on
something on a web page, and your browser downloaded a file, and the
filename ends with ".json", and it's very small, and
you should open it and read it, and you will probably see
nearly-human-readable data fields pointing you to where the actual
data resides.
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2495 [22:12:38] <kalin> no
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2497 [22:13:34] <kalin> i must add
replaced-url
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##replaced-url
2501 [22:13:52] <greycat> So it's JSON data that encodes a
list of locations where the data resides.
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2504 [22:16:41] <Something1> kalin, have you tried VLC or mpv?
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2510 [22:18:34] <kalin> ok, only way that i guess is to run da
player with adnbox i debian
2511 [22:18:48] <kalin> but it must exist better way
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2515 [22:19:17] <greycat> If you're just going to ignore
everything we suggest, why did you even ask?
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2521 [22:20:06] <jhutchins_wk> kalin: So the json file is a
playlist in json markup language. You should still be able to read
the links to the objects you're trying to play, and the real
question is what program will play those objects and what format
those are.
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2523 [22:20:31] <greycat> plus, what can you find or write that
can extract the list of media-locations from the json
2524 [22:20:37] <debron> hello. could someone help me please?
broken package when executing this line: apt-get install php7
2525 [22:20:59] <greycat> You just want "apt-get install
php"
2526 [22:21:00] <debron> hello. could someone help me please?
broken package when executing this line: apt-get install php7.0
mysql-server php7.0-mysqli
2527 [22:21:20] <debron> greycat need version 7
2528 [22:21:21] <kalin> i did not extract anything
2529 [22:21:25] <greycat> ,v php
2530 [22:21:27] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49;
buster: 1:7.2+61; sid: 1:7.2+61
2531 [22:21:34] <debron> aahhh they upgraded
2532 [22:21:35] <debron> great
2533 [22:21:41] <debron> thanks you greycat
2534 [22:21:51] <greycat> were you using third party repositories?
that will cause issues.
2535 [22:21:54] <kalin> just add url in Da player and i have list
of iptv channels
2536 [22:21:57] <debron> you are always around and help people,
really appreciate
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2539 [22:22:08] <debron> greycat non-free :(
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2541 [22:22:16] <greycat> kalin: did you TRY anything? Did you
open the damned file yet?
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2543 [22:23:00] <Something1> non-free is a normal repository, not
third party :)
2544 [22:23:10] <kalin> i try with vlc
2545 [22:23:17] <kalin> but with no success
2546 [22:23:35] <debron> oh then not, i was okay
2547 [22:24:03] <debron> But anyway, I cant do anything now, some
bug occurred, I cant install any package, not even php, always get
the same message
2548 [22:24:09] <greycat> !bat
2549 [22:24:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2550 [22:24:39] <debron> okay!
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2552 [22:26:17] <kalin> greycat, what you mean?
2553 [22:26:59] <greycat> You tried vlc; good. Did you also try
mpv, which was also suggested? Have you READ the file yet, with your
eyes, with a text file reading program like less, nano, cat, ...?
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2555 [22:27:10] <razer2> Do you guys use visudo or do
"adduser [name] sudo?
2556 [22:27:28] <greycat> razer2: those are two totally different
things
2557 [22:27:56] <razer2> greycat, Yeah, they might be. I think
some people are saying that the second is a substitute for the
first. Is it not?
2558 [22:27:57] <greycat> the former is for fine-tuning stuff, and
the latter is for carte blanche
2559 [22:27:58] <_Coffee> Yo guys, 2 questions. Where is libc.so.6
on Debian? and how do I upgrade it? I think my version is 2.27
2560 [22:28:13] <greycat> ,v libc6
2561 [22:28:14] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie:
2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security:
2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-3; sid: 2.27-3
2562 [22:28:22] <greycat> 2.27 is testing (buster), so you're
already in #debian-next
2563 [22:28:53] <annadane> (on oftc)
2564 [22:28:56] <_Coffee> wow
2565 [22:29:09] <annadane> bad greycat.
2566 [22:29:13] <greycat> as for "where is it",
it's in the libc6 package, and as a testing or unstable user,
you should know how to use dpkg -L to see the contents of a package
2567 [22:29:23] <greycat> annadane: he should know THAT too
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2569 [22:29:29] <annadane> probably
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2571 [22:29:47] <annadane> _Coffee, start by putting on
paste.debian.net your /etc/apt/sources.list
2572 [22:29:56] <debron> !bat
2573 [22:29:57] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2574 [22:30:00] <debron> here
replaced-url
2575 [22:30:08] <debron> could someone help me please?
2576 [22:30:48] <greycat> debron: seems like you are missing
everything except security.d.o in your sources.list
2577 [22:31:02] <debron> aahhh
2578 [22:31:07] <greycat> oh, and stretch-updates, but you are
missing the main stretch repositories
2579 [22:31:11] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
2580 [22:31:11] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
2581 [22:31:51] <debron> thanks greycat will try correct my
sources.list and update, then try again
2582 [22:31:54] <annadane> _Coffee, and also dpkg -l libc6
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2585 [22:33:06] <kalin> greycat, i've openet with leafpad
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2588 [22:33:34] <kalin> file contains some key and url for any
cannel
2589 [22:33:41] <kalin> channel*
2590 [22:33:47] <greycat> Well, as I guessed, it contains the URLs
for the actual media files.
2591 [22:34:08] <greycat> So you want to paste one of THOSE to
your media player, or write an application to extract them from the
JSON, or find a pre-written one.
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2593 [22:34:46] <greycat> (realplayer lives on it seems :( :( )
2594 [22:35:11] <debron> greycat fixed, thanks
2595 [22:35:21] <kalin> i will try
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2604 [22:39:20] <kalin> hm
2605 [22:39:39] <kalin> links maybe is incomplete
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2607 [22:40:32] <greycat> You said this thing was called
"iptv"? Have you tried googling "iptv linux"?
2608 [22:40:44] <dbristow> If you get the files in
cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.5.0/amd64/jigdo-dvd, the
debian-update-9.5.0-amd64-DVD-?.jigdo checksums from the SHA512SUMS
file there don't match
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2610 [22:41:21] <greycat> "apt-cache search iptv" also
gives me three results
2611 [22:41:27] <kalin> greycat, i know what is real iptv
2612 [22:41:44] <greycat> kalin: You do? That makes ONE of us. As
I said, I have never heard of this thing before.
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2615 [22:42:26] <kalin> but this file gves me a way to free
watching of payed tv channels
2616 [22:42:44] <greycat> Have you tried googling "iptv
linux" yet? Have you tried "apt-cache search iptv"
yet?
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2619 [22:43:43] <annadane> or what extensions vlc supports in the
first place
2620 [22:44:00] <kalin> greycat, kodi maybe?
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2695 [23:28:10] <lessthan0> what is the preferred mainstream samba
server package that is used in debian?
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2698 [23:28:30] <lessthan0> I see two different server packages
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