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1 [00:00:29] <jaggz> in Stable I'm getting: CRON[...]:
pam_ecryptfs: Skipping automatic eCryptfs mount
2 [00:00:33] <jaggz> how do I get rid of that msg?
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7 [00:01:43] <rant> turn the monitor off
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12 [00:02:57] * alyssa grumbles about "Warning: unable to open an
initial console" despite CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUN,
devtmpfs.mount=1, *and* /dev/console and /dev/tty0 nodes in the
initramfs
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14 [00:03:54] <tw> If there's a logged-in DE session in a
VM and I send acpi powerdown (because host is going down), how do I
make sure the VM goes down instead of prompting for "do you
want to logout/hibernate/whatever"?
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17 [00:04:38] <tw> On average, the VM gets about 2 minutes to
finish whatever it's doing before the qemu proc is killed, so
it needs to hurry along.
18 [00:05:32] <rant> get to the choppa, NOW!
19 [00:05:47] * Psi-Jack chops up rant.
20 [00:05:48] <alyssa> Oh, d'oh, I'm silly
21 [00:05:54] <tw> yeah, basically. it's xfce if that makes
a difference.
22 [00:06:29] <rant> just use init 0 or systemctl shutdown or
shutdown NOW
23 [00:07:07] <tw> I'm outside the vm sending ACPI
shutdown. I need to convince systemd it needs to interpret acpi
events as imperative.
24 [00:07:24] <tw> I would like to configure the VM that way.
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28 [00:10:16] <RogueScholar> Am I just being a big baby today,
or has anyone else been on the verge of tears trying to make heads
or tails of the debhelper documentation? :-(
29 [00:10:51] <alyssa> RogueScholar: Happens to the best of us
:c
30 [00:11:14] <RogueScholar> Oh, bless your heart, alyssa :)
31 [00:11:51] * winny stared into debian packaging, and debian
packaging stared back. I am not longer the same person.
32 [00:12:17] <RogueScholar> You wouldn't by any chance
have some facility yourself with said foul beast debhelper, would
you?
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34 [00:12:49] <somiaj> RogueScholar: what are you trying to do?
#packaging on irc.oftc.net might be more appropriate too.
35 [00:13:51] <RogueScholar> Winny: Yes! I know exactly what you
mean...and worst of all it likes to dangle occasional glimpses of
progress or deeper understanding just when you're about to
curse the whole thing to Hades.
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40 [00:14:59] <winny> Sorry, I might have overstated my
knowledge, best of luck on your search :)
41 [00:15:13] <RogueScholar> somiaj: I'm attempting to
craft a legitimate package from an AUR project called Ananicy, which
I've got very close to completion, save the inability to get
the systemd service file to properly install.
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45 [00:16:41] <Unit193> RogueScholar: Put it in
debian/$PKGNAME.service
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47 [00:17:04] <Unit193> (Unless it's an upstream one, but
I'd have thought the installsystem would do that.)
48 [00:18:12] <RogueScholar> Unit193: Indeed I have, and yet
debhelper continues to error out halfway through complaining of the
lack of a Makefile target for it.
49 [00:19:05] <Unit193> RogueScholar: So yeah, for packaging
help you'll likely want #packaging on irc.oftc.net, unless you
intend to maintain the package in Debian itself, then
#debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net.
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51 [00:19:32] <somiaj> RogueScholar: have you looked at a
package, such as openssh-server (just one I picked) and see how they
did it.
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54 [00:20:52] <RogueScholar> somiaj: Admittedly no, I confess I
haven't. I'd agree that would be a logical next step too,
thank you.
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56 [00:21:17] <somiaj> seems openssh puts it in debian/systemd,
unsure what else is needed
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58 [00:21:31] <somiaj>
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59 [00:22:15] <somiaj> the the rules script seems to have some
overrides talking about systemd specifically, these might be needed
60 [00:22:30] <RogueScholar> Hmmmmmm, I've seen no
reference to that location before, but did I happen to mention that
the debhelper documentation is possibly the largest steaming pile
of.....yeah, this side of the nearest version of Windows.
61 [00:22:31] <Unit193> Perhaps a less complex application, such
as uptimed, might be more ideal?
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63 [00:23:11] <Unit193> RogueScholar: I'm not sure what
you're reading, but man dh_installsystemd perhaps should be it.
64 [00:23:29] <RogueScholar> Unit193: Indeed, openssh is a bit
of a labyrinth all to itself.
65 [00:23:46] <Unit193>
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69 [00:24:59] <RogueScholar> I've read that page several
times but what I'm unclear on still bears more on how that hook
gets triggered and what possible reason it might be complaining
about the Makefile.
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71 [00:26:43] <Unit193> As mentioned, you should likely seek the
packaging help on OFTC, but they'll also likely want a pastebin
of said log.
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73 [00:26:53] <RogueScholar> Ugh, openssh is still using
debhelper-compat v9, unreal...
74 [00:27:15] <RogueScholar> Unit193: Copy that, I'm
registering with NickServ there as we "speak."
75 [00:27:30] <somiaj> sometimes you want to keep compat a bit
older (makes backporting easier) and isn't always needed to
upgrade
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77 [00:28:05] <Unit193> (One of my packages still uses 9 because
of backporting, changing it to 12 would change not one thing about
the build process.)
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79 [00:31:07] <RogueScholar> I can appreciate the sensibility of
that, but the systemd aspects of sh were given a complete overhaul
and guidelines that apply to <=10 seem to go nowhere fast for the
current standards
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86 [00:33:15] <alyssa> "Failed to execute /init (error -2 =
-ENOENT)" despite clearly being there in
usr/initramfs_data.cpio.gz... oh boy
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89 [00:35:10] <RogueScholar> Apologies, client crashed on me,
possibly to remind me that things could always be worse, haha.
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92 [00:37:13] <alyssa> I'm starting to contemplate
existence. Am I in this too deep?
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96 [00:39:24] <Glibdos> Hello everyone. Ever since I installed
Debian 9 I have been unable to retrieve keys with the gpg command.
Gpg says “gpg: keyserver receive failed: No route to
host.” Here’s an paste as an example:
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99 [00:40:30] <tds> Glibdos: do you have a default route if you
look at the output of `ip -4 r` and `ip -6 r`? do you also get no
route to host if you `ping pool.sks-keyservers.net`?
100 [00:41:49] <Glibdos> huh I can't ping the server.
Interesting
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104 [00:44:21] <Glibdos> I'm not sure how to check for
default route in ip -4 r but I guess it's just my network
connection that's causing the gpg error
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108 [00:44:58] <tds> if you have a default route, you should see
a line like "default via 192.0.2.1"...
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113 [00:46:36] <Glibdos> I have "default via 192.168.1.1 dev
enp0s25"
114 [00:47:09] <tds> hmm, that seems fine, can you ping
192.168.1.1? what's the exact output when you tried to ping
pool.sks-keyservers.net
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120 [00:49:18] <Glibdos> The exact output of when I tried to
ping:
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121 [00:49:50] <Glibdos> 100% packet loss
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130 [00:53:52] <ihateAdmins> the maximum resolution im getting
from nvidia-settings is 1360x768, how do i get 1920x1080? I have the
Gtx 750ti and installed the nvidia driver as in the debian
documentation
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132 [00:54:45] <LtL> Glibdos: they aren't echoing icmp ping
requests that's all.
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139 [00:58:00] <tds> Glibdos: unless I'm missing something,
your paste shows 0% packet loss, not 100?
140 [00:58:12] <tds> oh, or you mean 100% loss to the gateway,
fine to the keyserver?
141 [00:59:09] <Glibdos> ohh it does
142 [00:59:22] <Glibdos> on 286 I misread that
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144 [00:59:46] <tds> worth keeping in mind there are bunch of
different keyservers, so it's quite possible gpg and ping hit
different IPs
145 [00:59:54] <ihateAdmins> i did create a new xrandr mode but
it fails to add it to my VGA-0
146 [01:01:00] <Glibdos> sometimes ping comes through to the
server and sometimes it doesn't
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150 [01:02:41] <somiaj> ihateAdmins: This seems strange, the EDID
of your moninitor should report all valid modes. You may want to see
why the mode isn't being created automatically (manually adding
modes should only be needed for really broken hardware/monintor)
151 [01:02:56] <somiaj> have you checked your xorg.conf file to
see what modes it detects and then uses?
152 [01:03:18] <LtL> Glibdos: remove the https and slashes,
colons just use the FQDN it works fine
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155 [01:04:28] <ihateAdmins> well my monitor is kinda broken,
since the hdmi port got fried, so it lost some of it's
information, but nethertheless windows or kali detect the 1920x1080
even without nvidia installed, which is not the case in the debian.
Without nvidia-driver im not even getting 1360x768 but a very buggy
screen instead
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159 [01:06:59] <somiaj> If kali detects it, I would maybe compare
the xorg.log in kali vs debian, see if you can notice a difference.
160 [01:07:13] <alyssa> Woaaah, 120MB kernel, what happened here
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162 [01:07:19] <Glibdos> Ltl: I thought "gpg --keyserver
pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0x4E2C6E8793298290" used
the FQDN?
163 [01:07:24] <somiaj> ihateAdmins: are you using amostly blank
xorg.conf file, or did you run nvidia-xconfig or something to
generate one?
164 [01:07:58] <ihateAdmins> i just installed the driver, i will
take a look on that
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166 [01:08:19] <LtL> Glibdos: i haven't done tat in a while,
i was referring to pings. get the syntax right and it'll work
167 [01:08:22] <somiaj> okay, well just making sure you
didn't have something in xorg.conf overriding the automatic
detection.
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170 [01:08:53] <Glibdos> Ltl: ah yes :) ping
pool.sks-keyservers.net does work ^.^
171 [01:09:05] <tds> Glibdos: did you have an ipv6 default route
when you did `ip -6 r`? is it possible you're on a dual stack
box and gpg is trying ipv6 and failing?
172 [01:09:21] <Glibdos> I don't think I have ipv6 setup but
haven't looked into it
173 [01:09:36] <Glibdos> that's possibile
174 [01:09:41] <Glibdos> possible*
175 [01:09:45] <LtL> Glibdos: ad your key here, if that
doesn't work.
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177 [01:10:56] <tds> that one's also ipv4-only, so
--keyserver pgp.mit.edu might just "fix" it
178 [01:11:12] <Glibdos> :D that seems to work
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180 [01:11:39] <LtL> Glibdos: The MIT server accepts keys from a
GUI, so you don't -have- to use a terminal if you wish.
181 [01:11:56] <ihateAdmins> i ran nvidia-xconfig and now i only
got 640x480 and 320x480 ...
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184 [01:14:15] <somiaj> ihateAdmins: yea, my suggestion was to
not use that.
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186 [01:14:42] <LtL> ihateAdmins: you could try this: As root:
Xorg -configure; cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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188 [01:15:26] <somiaj> I would look at your kali xorg.log and
get the ModeLine info from there
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198 [01:21:53] <alyssa> So, I have an initramfs compiled into the
kernel directly, setting rdinit=/sbin/sh, so why is it only looking
at init= and root=? :/
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202 [01:23:55] <Glibdos> LtL: That seems to have worked and fixed
my problem. Thank you very much for the help! 8)
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207 [01:25:41] <LtL> Glibdos glad it worked. you're welcome
208 [01:26:25] <gecko_x2> hi. /etc/initramfs/post-update.d does
not exist. if i create it and add a script,will it be read after
update-initramfs?
209 [01:26:40] <gecko_x2> as described in
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210 [01:26:51] <gecko_x2> i'm on buster.
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248 [01:47:09] <lavenders> do you know of a structered editor?
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252 [01:49:11] <lavenders> i am looking for an editor like
mosuepad+explorer on the left
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257 [01:51:47] <lavenders> got it
replaced-url
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267 [01:57:46] <LtL> ihateAdmins: that script is a POS
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275 [01:59:01] <ihateAdmins> well i didn't know about that,
i though he suggested it, since there was no warning or anything
indicating something negative
276 [01:59:01] <LtL> ihateAdmins: just reading back buffer,
nevermind ;)
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284 [02:01:15] <magic_ninja> ihateAdmins, did you get it figured
out?
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287 [02:02:03] <ihateAdmins> no.. i did boot up kali from livecd
but i can't install nvida, because i don't have enough ram
therefore i can't install the nvidia driver. I will switch back
to my broken debian and try to reinstall nvidia-driver
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292 [02:05:16] <ihateAdmins> suprisingly using nvidia-xconfig a
second time and reboot did bring back the 1360x768 setting... at
least the 640x480 problem is gone
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301 [02:07:07] <ihateAdmins> back to the original problem to get
1920x1080...
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304 [02:08:37] <magic_ninja> so
305 [02:08:55] <magic_ninja> perhaps you better figure out how to
fix debian?
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307 [02:09:24] <ihateAdmins> what do you mean?
308 [02:09:25] <LtL> ihateAdmins: what does xrandr tell you?
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315 [02:10:40] <magic_ninja> Speaking of broke systems, I think
the next thing on my list is to get some kind of backup utility
316 [02:10:48] <ihateAdmins> Uploaded file:
replaced-url
317 [02:10:51] <ihateAdmins> well in putty nothing, but in local
machine:
318 [02:10:53] <magic_ninja> not backup, but something more like
system restore.
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322 [02:11:51] <ihateAdmins> livecd and chroot?
323 [02:12:07] <LtL> ihateAdmins: xrandr -s 1360x760 IF xrandr
says it's doable.
324 [02:12:51] <ihateAdmins> Size 1360x760 not found in available
modes. Well right now i am on 1360x768
325 [02:13:39] <LtL> ihateAdmins: so choose one that is closest?
will that do?
326 [02:14:09] <ihateAdmins> no^^ i need/want 1920x1080 or at
least 1600x900
327 [02:14:44] <ihateAdmins> i really don't get why that is
a issue on debian(Windows can do it)
328 [02:14:48] <LtL> ihateAdmins: but xrandr doesn't list
it?
329 [02:16:29] <ihateAdmins> well that's the problem, either
a bug or missing/incomplete driver?
330 [02:16:32] <LtL> ihateAdmins: you should easily get 1920x1080
60.00*+
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332 [02:16:50] <LtL> driver/mis-config..
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336 [02:18:51] <ihateAdmins> there was no greater option than
1360x768 in first place when i finished the debian wiki guide. So
there isn't any config at all right now and trying the modeline
xrandr newmode didn't work
337 [02:18:51] <LtL> ihateAdmins: yeah, saw your paste, very odd.
max res looks kinda crazy too.
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339 [02:19:31] <ihateAdmins> strangely debian tried/tries to set
my display to 120hz which my monitor doesn't even support and
makes the screen badly positioned/resolution
340 [02:20:08] <ihateAdmins> and by default i was getting xrandr
1024x768
341 [02:20:08] <LtL> i'm sure
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343 [02:20:47] <LtL> nvidia i suspect is doing that not debian.
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347 [02:21:39] <ihateAdmins> no. That was way before installing
nvidia-driver
348 [02:21:53] <ihateAdmins> i do get that each time i install
debian on that pc
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352 [02:23:01] <LtL> ihateAdmins: have you looked at
replaced-url
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354 [02:23:14] <ihateAdmins> of course im talking about that wiki
guide
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357 [02:23:21] <LtL> ok sorry
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360 [02:23:26] <ihateAdmins> Installation
361 [02:23:35] <ihateAdmins> Version 390.48
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381 [02:35:47] <otyugh> is it possible to open a stunnel without
root privileges ?
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407 [02:54:12] <magic_ninja> who maintains usb device files and
how do I contribute
408 [02:54:18] <magic_ninja> Like, the device ID list
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421 [03:02:45] <LtL> magic_ninja: judd is the bot that carries
the device id's, not sure how it's edited though.
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426 [03:04:52] <LtL> magic_ninja:
replaced-url
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430 [03:05:47] <LtL> magic_ninja: root doc,
replaced-url
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440 [03:13:45] <magic_ninja> LtL, bookmarked it. Thanks. My
google-fu failed me.
441 [03:14:31] <LtL> magic_ninja: de nada
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462 [03:30:39] <ageis> is there an estimated release date for
buster?
463 [03:30:57] <somiaj> !wir
464 [03:30:57] <dpkg> hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See
also <rsn> and <siyh>.
465 [03:31:22] <somiaj> ageis: at this time it is anyones best
guess. Most assume the next few months (during the summer). Keep an
eye on the rc bugs.
466 [03:31:36] <ageis> k coo
467 [03:31:46] <somiaj>
replaced-url
468 [03:32:04] <somiaj> though that number has been fluxuating
and has been around 100-120 for the last month (these are not easy
bugs to fix)
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470 [03:32:52] <ageis> I asked another question last night but I
dont think anyone got to it -- isn't there a way that i can
(without an existing source package) obtain the latest packaging
template hooks/files for dpkg?
471 [03:33:00] <themill> I'm trying not to fix bugs right
now, because when I try to fix bugs, I normally file more new ones
than I fix...
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474 [03:33:31] <themill> ageis: can you be more precise about
what you are looking for?
475 [03:33:50] <ageis> just rules, prerm, postinst, preinst,
postrm, all that kidn of thing
476 [03:34:10] <ageis> i'm presuming there's a bare
template for those which is somewhere and is updated very
infrequently
477 [03:34:10] <themill> there are no default maintainer script
at all; the default is to have none
478 [03:34:16] <ageis> ah.
479 [03:34:39] <themill> dh-make can help; I personally dislike
what it does
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482 [03:35:43] <somiaj> yea, with modern debianhelper you can
have a very small rules file, but this is often never appropraite
for an actual package and needs to be edited to suite the package to
integrate it into the debian ecosystem properly.
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484 [03:36:11] <somiaj> though it can do the trick in terms of a
quick hack if you just want to build a single package for personal
use.
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505 [03:57:04] <alyssa> Progress, my dummy initramfs (statically
linked hello world) works. But the one from mkinitramfs, no.
506 [03:57:30] <alyssa> Run /usr/bin/sh as init process; failed
to execute /usrbin/sh (error -2)
507 [03:57:54] <somiaj> was the missing slash a copy/paste error?
508 [03:58:47] <alyssa> Yes, I'm just typing off visually
from the term
509 [03:59:06] <somiaj> just double checking. Unsure what your
issue could be.
510 [03:59:09] <alyssa> I'm wondering if I'm missing
some kernel something
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512 [04:00:09] <alyssa>
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515 [04:00:50] <alyssa> From a chroot into the unpacked initramfs
(from a healthy Debian system of identical hw), both binaries work
fine
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519 [04:02:49] <themill> what does "ldd" say about your
sh?
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528 [04:05:10] <alyssa>
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529 [04:05:21] <alyssa> The latter 3 are where they claim to be.
Not sure what linux-vdso.so.1 is
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533 [04:05:54] <alyssa> Presumably that's the culprit then
534 [04:06:14] <themill> linux-vdso.so.1 is internal to the
kernel
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536 [04:06:43] <alyssa> So that's probably what I messed up
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538 [04:07:35] <alyssa> Unless it's really mandatory in
which case I guess I couldn't've "forgotten" it
539 [04:08:07] <themill> There should be nothing for you to do
with that one
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541 [04:09:16] <themill> Your error code (ENOENT 2 No such file
or directory) could be the init itself or one of its libraries. Does
/usr exist at the stage you're trying to run this?
542 [04:09:42] <alyssa> I see it in the initramfs
543 [04:10:12] * alyssa misses graphics
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558 [04:25:41] <zumba_addict> Hi all. I got this when I was
installing kernel source - `W: Download is performed unsandboxed as
root as file 'linux_4.9.168-1+deb9u2.dsc' couldn't be
accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission
denied)`
559 [04:25:53] <zumba_addict> The command I ran was `apt-get
source linux-image-$(uname -r)`
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562 [04:26:54] <alyssa> themill: Lesson learned -- sometimes
debugging can create new bugs. Generated a fresh initramfs and
I've got a shell. Thank you for the support!
563 [04:29:10] <mason> alyssa:
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564 [04:29:22] <alyssa> That too
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566 [04:30:03] <alyssa> mason: Anyways, not sure if you read the
scrollback, but I took your advice and now have LUKS setup on my
Chromebook.
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568 [04:30:32] <mason> alyssa: Ah, no, but good. I think
it'll work out. Did you encrypt root, or just /home or
somesuch?
569 [04:30:34] <alyssa> Thank you to everyone here who's
helped with this journey the past... sheesh, have I been at this all
day... *whistles*
570 [04:30:37] <jcb2016> debian on a chromebook? hows that
working out for you?
571 [04:30:46] <alyssa> The whole /
572 [04:31:03] <mason> Ah, good good.
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574 [04:31:07] <alyssa> Debian on a Chromebook is... Hm.
Installation is a royal, royal, royal pain in the tuchas.
575 [04:31:15] <alyssa> Once it's installed, it's just
like any other machine I've used
576 [04:31:28] <mason> I'd love to learn if I'm
confused, but I suspect the math for the encryption will be just as
heavy regardless of whether it's LUKS or ecryptfs or whatever.
577 [04:31:33] <jcb2016> alyssa, why is it so hard?
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580 [04:32:27] <alyssa> Well, even if math is the same,with full
disk encryption you're doing a lot more of it, full stop.
Shrug.
581 [04:32:36] <zumba_addict> i decided to download the source
from
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583 [04:33:12] <alyssa> jcb: The bootloader is custom written for
ChromeOS. Which is good, because ChromeOS is a Linux distro...
except now we have to pretend to be ChromeOS
584 [04:33:31] <jcb2016> yea sounds complicated
585 [04:33:48] <mason> I tend to use a lot of ZFS here, so the
compression will tend to offset the encryption. But yeah.
586 [04:33:51] <jcb2016> bootloader is this android?
587 [04:33:58] <jcb2016> lol must be android/google etc.
588 [04:36:18] <jcb2016> i heard buster is gonna be
updated/upgraded/out in weeks or days?
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591 [04:37:11] <alyssa> (FWIW, ChromeOS uses ecryptfs for /home
and unencrypted-but-signature-checked root)
592 [04:37:29] <alyssa> But that wouldn't work out so well
for a custom Debian install, haha
593 [04:38:42] <alyssa> Anyway, next step is to fix up the kernel
args and flash the kernel internally, then I should be solid.
(I'm on a hyrbid setup right now with / on internal storage but
the /boot/-equivalent on a USB drive for easy kernel installs)
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604 [04:54:57] <somiaj> zumba_addict: what directory did you run
apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) ?
605 [04:55:15] <somiaj> zumba_addict: note, debian packages the
source in a binary package (the debian source package might not be
what you are intersted in)
606 [04:55:21] <zumba_addict> outside /usr/src/linux
607 [04:55:35] <zumba_addict> i'm good now. I downloaded the
tar.xz file
608 [04:55:48] <somiaj> zumba_addict: did your user have write
permisions to /usr/src/linux?
609 [04:55:49] <zumba_addict> I just wanted to read the c files
610 [04:55:56] <zumba_addict> yes, I was root
611 [04:56:01] <somiaj> zumba_addict: also check out the source
package (with debian patches)
612 [04:56:04] <somiaj> ,v linux-source
613 [04:56:06] <judd> Package: linux-source on amd64 -- jessie:
3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u5; stretch-security:
4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-backports:
4.19+105~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 4.19+105
614 [04:56:15] <zumba_addict> k
615 [04:56:29] <somiaj> or linux-source-4.9 for the stretch
kernel (this is a binary package that puts the source in /usr/src
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619 [04:59:35] <magic_ninja> Almost done. First controls project
on debian.
620 [05:00:00] <magic_ninja> I wish there was some better
schematics software out there than what is currently in the open
source world. I get it though, schematics is hard to do.
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624 [05:03:25] <zumba_addict> got it
625 [05:03:42] <zumba_addict> so my command was wrong somiaj?
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628 [05:04:33] <zumba_addict> output was blank so it's not
installed - dpkg -l |grep linux-source
629 [05:04:58] <zumba_addict> i did downloaded the latest kernel
because I was curious with 5.1.6
630 [05:05:02] <somiaj> zumba_addict: I don't know what the
error was with your command. I never run apt-get source as root
631 [05:05:10] <zumba_addict> k
632 [05:05:23] <zumba_addict> maybe if switch as regular user
then sudo it
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634 [05:05:51] <somiaj> sudo won't change it. I just run apt
source in my home directory in which the user has write permissions
635 [05:06:00] <zumba_addict> I've tasked myself to study
syscall and assembly this year :)
636 [05:06:05] <somiaj> I don't know if there is some
protection to not do that as root or not.
637 [05:06:17] <zumba_addict> yup, I was thinking that too
638 [05:06:30] <somiaj> so I don't really understand the
error you are getting. But it seems you want the linux-source
package and not the debian source package
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640 [05:06:54] <somiaj> debian source package is also going to
contain a lot of scripts fo creating the kernel packages (over all
arches) so it is gonna be more complicated
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642 [05:07:58] <somiaj> scripts is probably a bad way to put it.
It contains all the info to build debian packages, as well as the
kernel source
643 [05:08:37] <zumba_addict> k
644 [05:09:46] <somiaj> hmm, the wiki just says you don't
have to be root for apt-get source, but doens't say you
can't be root.
645 [05:11:03] <somiaj> okay I see what is going on, and it is
only a warning, not error.
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647 [05:12:13] <somiaj> when running apt, it runs some commands
as sandboxed user _apt, and it is that user that didn't have
write perimissions causing the warning.
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649 [05:12:27] <somiaj> it just must only use the sandbox user
when running as root, and not a normal user.
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655 [05:13:36] <somiaj> though in general I don't think
apt-get source should be run as root.
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678 [05:37:31] <Kurogane> Hello, anyone can tell why this error?
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688 [05:41:37] <jmcnaught> Kurogane: what versions of openssh are
at each end? Sounds like
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694 [05:46:56] <Kurogane> jmcnaught, both server have
1:7.4p1-10+deb9u5
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706 [05:55:01] <jmcnaught> Kurogane: I cannot "ssh -c
arcfour …" either. sshd must have a more restricted list
of ciphers than the client. Can you use something other than
arcfour, one that the server offers?
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708 [05:56:05] <jmcnaught> Kurogane: yeah take a look at
"Ciphers" in sshd_config(5)
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710 [05:56:33] <Kurogane> jmcnaught, i can use whatever, i only
want faster speed, i can't push more than 30MB/s
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712 [05:58:10] <jmcnaught> Kurogane: well you can edit
/etc/ssh/sshd_config to have Ciphers include arcfour if you want to
use it, is it supposed to be faster?
713 [05:58:35] <jmcnaught> oh it's RC4
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715 [05:59:17] <Kurogane> jmcnaught, i don't know if arcfour
will fix the issue.
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717 [06:04:19] <Kurogane> jmcnaught, finally fixed, i drop off
"z" now i can push 2gbit easy...
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740 [06:29:43] <tw> rc4 is generally not a benefit on modern cpus
with aesni or other hardware crypto support.
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760 [06:50:03] <ssa> Hi
761 [06:50:37] <ssa> I've setup a program (Hashicorp's
nomad) that executes programs within chroot.
762 [06:50:51] <ssa> This is my first serious encounter with
chroot.
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766 [06:52:19] <ssa> From what I've noticed, it requires
that my binary executables and any files these binaries may read
(.env, db.yml, etc) be in "chroot environment"
767 [06:52:58] <ssa> If I put anything in, say, /apps/myapp/ , it
refuses to run. However, if I put stuff under /usr/local/bin and
/usr/local/etc , it works well
768 [06:53:19] <ssa> What is this "chroot environment"
and where can I add a directory of choice to it?
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772 [06:56:15] <jmcnaught> Are you asking what is a chroot in
general, or about a specific chroot that nomad uses?
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774 [06:58:30] <ssa> What I might want to know... might be hidden
somewhere in nomad, rather than chroot.
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777 [06:59:04] <jmcnaught> apparently nomad's in buster
778 [06:59:22] <ssa> It's one of those situations where you
feel like the moment you understand what you want to ask, you
wouldn't need to.
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784 [07:04:04] <ssa> This is probably about how nomad works, but
it refuses to run any binary that isn't in $PATH of the user
running nomad process.
785 [07:04:38] <ssa> Even with an absolute path.
786 [07:05:18] <ssa> I suppose that this doesn't have
anything to do with chroot.
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790 [07:08:05] <tw> Seems like buster's version of freecad
doesn't like when you resize the sidebar. It keeps forcing it
back to the size it was.
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856 [08:44:02] <Logg> what file managers do you all use?
I've been using nemo from cinnamon, but it's really buggy
& crashes sometimes requiring reboot to kill
"uninterruptable" task. I've also tried Thunar but I
think it's just based on the same thing nemo is &
they're similarly buggy
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861 [08:45:39] <pingfloyd> a file manager shouldn't normally
bring down the system
862 [08:46:01] <Logg> yeah I know right
863 [08:46:04] <pingfloyd> the program itself might crash, but it
shouldn't take the system down
864 [08:46:17] <pingfloyd> this makes me wonder if there may be
some hardware issue
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868 [08:47:34] <Logg> Eh, no, I don't really think so. I do
have an annoying message dmesg that keeps getting spammed "No
irq handler for vector", but every other program on the system
runs correctly
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871 [08:48:56] <Logg> what nemo did was get stuck on some system
call and so it wouldn't close with a state of
"uninterruptable". couldn't `kill` it.
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873 [08:49:04] <Logg> & it's just generally buggy
874 [08:49:40] <Logg> Makes me want to make my own file manager
b/c it seems like a really simple program to make, not that many
features. idk how you mess it up that bad
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876 [08:50:09] <pingfloyd> I supposed you could strace it for
some more insight
877 [08:50:28] <pingfloyd> may at least reveal some helpful leads
toward the issue
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885 [08:57:00] <Logg> okay, well, I've got strace running on
nemo now. Thanks for the suggestion pingfloyd
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888 [09:04:38] <leorat> i had same prob with cinnamon, installed
kde (uses nemo too) prob solved, i had prob with menus not
displaying properly too in cinnamon
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893 [09:07:03] <Logg> well, I don't have that problem,
usually for me nemo just hangs for a couple minutes then is okay, or
randomly crashes after attempting to copy a file, or in the middle
of a file transfer... I'm not using the entire cinnamon desktop
environment, just nemo & its dependencies
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896 [09:07:48] <Logg> but today it crashed in a spectacular way
in which it could not be killed or restarted b/c it was
"uninterruptable" which google says means it was in the
middle of an uninterruptable system call & you may as well just
reboot
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930 [09:19:58] <zothix> i made a abstract user to add avatar
field in my user model, now it wont let me signup, whenever i signup
it gives me : This field is required : at Avatar feild, my code :
replaced-url
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933 [09:21:27] <zothix> sorry wrong chat
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950 [09:37:18] <melpy> TwT
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999 [10:29:24] <activist> Hi all. I want to install Debian-pm but
i couldn't find supported devices page.
replaced-url
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1016 [10:36:57] <melpy> activist:
replaced-url
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1018 [10:37:58] <activist> melpy i have a Note 4 and i really want
to use Plasma on my phone. Is it possible?
1019 [10:38:34] <melpy> galaxy note 4?
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1021 [10:39:36] <activist> yes
1022 [10:39:48] <activist> i hate stock ROMs..
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1029 [10:47:50] <reith> hi, can anyone help me know which package
provides sshd-keygen service?
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1032 [10:49:20] <melpy> ssh-keygen or sshd-keygen?
1033 [10:50:18] <Logg> openssh-client provides ssh-keygen
1034 [10:50:51] <reith> sshd-keygen systemd service
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1038 [10:51:17] <reith> if you have it I think `apt file` would
help to understand which package installed it
1039 [10:51:51] <reith> actually I stuck in cloud-init setup
because it needs that service
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1048 [10:59:29] <activist> melpy are you there?
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1051 [11:00:35] <Mystified1234> hey guys how do I fix these
1052 [11:00:36] <Mystified1234>
replaced-url
1053 [11:01:15] <activist> mystified1234 can you paste that on
paste.ubuntu?
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1057 [11:03:43] <Mystified1234> not ubuntu
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1059 [11:03:51] <Mystified1234> based on debian
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1061 [11:04:22] <melpy> ah yeah, sorry, I'm not sure, might
take some work, only Redmi Note 4 is listed here
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1062 [11:04:26] <Mystified1234> no ubuntu at all
1063 [11:05:07] <activist> thank you melpy. i bit excited but now
i disappointed :|
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1065 [11:05:55] <Soo_Slow> hello. Noob question - is there any
subdirectory in $HOME for binaries, according to specifications?
(similar to /usr/bin) Trying to sort my self-written shell scripts a
bit
1066 [11:06:30] <activist> maybe /usr/share/applications
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1069 [11:08:01] <Soo_Slow> activist, 100% not what Im searching
for, sadly
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1074 [11:09:56] <Logg> you can also use /opt as a traditional
location. I put my shell scripts in ~/.scripts
1075 [11:10:29] <Logg> that's not a specification, it's
just where I put them
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1078 [11:12:33] <Logg> you can try asking #bash but as far as I
know, there's no official place to put shell scripts you write
yourself
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1080 [11:17:39] <DustyDingo> Soo_Slow: ~/.bin or ~/bin can be seen
quite often, but there is no official way to do it
1081 [11:18:42] <Soo_Slow> DustyDingo, I see, thanks
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1093 [11:28:19] <Haxxa> My USB Webcam keeps causing my Guest VM to
Kernel Panic: (Debian 9):
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1096 [11:28:59] <Logg> nice
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1135 [12:18:46] <rant> Haxxa: lots of guests panic when hosts wont
put their damn cameras away.. :P
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1149 [12:26:24] <oiaohm> rant: if guests can see the cameras the
host is not sneaky enough.
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1152 [12:29:21] <oiaohm> Haxxa: there are reason to use usb/ip
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1153 [12:29:45] <oiaohm> Haxxa: straight pass though of devices
sometimes runs into timing hell.
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1155 [12:30:54] <Haxxa> oiaohm That means I need another server,
the host runs many VMs and should not have excess software on it, I
would need a Raspberry Pi or something in that case.
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1159 [12:35:40] <Haxxa> oiaohm I might as well just stream the
output over the network and use an embedded computer instead
1160 [12:36:06] <Haxxa> some basic SBC like the Orange Pi Zero
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1162 [12:36:36] <oiaohm> Haxxa: you have some issues with USB when
you are not the host. Due to timing distruption.
1163 [12:37:34] <oiaohm> Haxxa: so streaming over network idea may
be the solution.
1164 [12:37:36] <Haxxa> I will try with a different camera, if
problems persist I will use a separate SBC to stream over the
network
1165 [12:37:56] <Haxxa> thanks for your advice
1166 [12:38:28] <Haxxa> still weird the kernel panics and
can't handle timing issues without fully giving up on lifee
1167 [12:38:33] <oiaohm> Haxxa: please note what I suggested is a
work around. What you are hitting is still a reportable bug.
1168 [12:39:20] <Haxxa> oiaohm the camera has dead pixels not
going to rule out hardware as the cause yet
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1170 [12:40:20] <oiaohm> Haxxa: there was one of timing bugs at
one point effecting RCU in guests in time that got fixed. So this
could be another driver with a timing bug or device with very tight
timing requirements for USB answers.
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1172 [12:40:54] <oiaohm> So changing device may fix it.
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1174 [12:41:17] <Haxxa> yeah, just bought a Logitech C920 for $20
so giving that a go.
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1177 [12:41:42] <oiaohm> passing hardware devices to a guest is
not without it crash risks.
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1179 [12:42:04] <oiaohm> Not all device can be passed through due
to drivers and other issues.
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1181 [12:42:10] <Haxxa> yeah, thankfully it only happens in the
guest the host is stable
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1183 [12:42:34] <oiaohm> Remember the guest is having cpu time
nicked from it by the host when the host wants todo things.
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1185 [12:42:55] <oiaohm> This is why these timing bugs turn up
with VM guests.
1186 [12:43:28] <oiaohm> driver test for running on host maybe
totally code unstafe inside a VM guest.
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1188 [12:44:01] <oiaohm> We all wish passing though devices to a
VM guest was not a case of roll a dice and pray you are lucky.
1189 [12:44:48] <Haxxa> ok long-term I will look at a seperate SBC
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1192 [12:45:24] <oiaohm> Haxxa: you will get better performace
when guest pass though works.
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1194 [12:45:38] <oiaohm> But its not always going to work.
1195 [12:45:40] <Haxxa> yes but I would prefer its stable
1196 [12:45:45] <Haxxa> and works...
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1198 [12:46:12] <oiaohm> That could be the case with the right
hardware choice on pass though.
1199 [12:46:28] <oiaohm> Basically it one of those pain in ass
things.
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1201 [12:46:48] <oiaohm> that you hear of some people never
hitting the problem because they have the lucky good hardware.
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1208 [12:54:27] <xormor> how do I install freebasic in debian
buster?
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1273 [13:39:09] <xormor>
replaced-url
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1282 [13:50:54] <EdePopede> oh, what happened yesterday? they were
at 116 iirc
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1298 [14:01:50] <dvs> I happened! ;-)
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1307 [14:08:32] <blastwave> how does one deal with possible
missing firmware? the old realtek-firmware package seems to not
exist any longer at least not in sid
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1311 [14:09:58] <dvs> ,v firmware-realtek
1312 [14:09:59] <judd> Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 --
jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1;
stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free:
20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free:
20190502-1
1313 [14:10:25] <blastwave> erk
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1315 [14:10:37] <blastwave> okay .. not realtek-firmware but is
firmware-realtek
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1317 [14:10:40] <blastwave> duh
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1319 [14:10:52] <blastwave> sorry for the dumb question
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1321 [14:11:01] <dvs> !lart blastwave
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1324 [14:11:21] <blastwave> I wonder if the old RTL8110Sc chips
are supported and working ... we shall see
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1338 [14:20:44] <blastwave> this is weird E: Unable to locate
package firmware-realtek
1339 [14:21:51] <xormor> blastwave, firmware-realtek-nonfree
1340 [14:21:56] <dvs> not if you don't have non-free enabled
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1342 [14:22:24] <blastwave> well .. hrmm .. let me check
/etc/apt/sources.list
1343 [14:22:41] <blastwave> well gee deb
replaced-url
1344 [14:22:57] <blastwave> guess I have to add non-free and maybe
contrib here also
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1346 [14:23:10] <dvs> you're using sid?
1347 [14:23:12] <blastwave> but with sid I thought that one does
not have those
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1349 [14:23:16] <blastwave> yes
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1351 [14:23:44] <blastwave> sorry it was a Debian Buster Alpha 2
install and then I edited sources.list and did apt-get update and
upgrade and dist-upgrade
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1353 [14:24:10] <blastwave> took also two hours to do the install
on this oddball hardware
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1408 [15:19:06] <samba35> if i want to create systemd-boot then do
i have to reformat /recreate esp boot partion to configure/install
systemd-boot ?
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1411 [15:21:49] <jelly> since same esp partition can be used for
all the boot loaders of all the OSes, you probably don't need
to wipe it just to switch the boot loader for one OS
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1413 [15:22:38] <samba35> ok
1414 [15:23:13] <samba35> how to install systemd-boot on debian
based system ?
1415 [15:23:48] <samba35> bootct install and bootctl upgrade does
the job or do i have to do more ?
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1417 [15:24:27] <jelly> don't know anything about that
particular boot loader, sorry
1418 [15:24:38] <samba35> ok
1419 [15:25:00] <pikachu__> I do not have backintime-qt4-root
avaible on debian. how can I save my vms from kvm?
replaced-url
1420 [15:25:08] <GNU\colossus> samba35, I'm not using
systemd-boot on Debian, but afaiui, that should be enough on an EFI
system
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1423 [15:27:03] <samba35> ok
1424 [15:28:33] <samba35> but when i run bootctl list it does not
show any entry and after reboot system reamain on efi boot loader
tab and its painfull to come out of tab
1425 [15:29:06] <jelly> pikachu__: which debian release is this?
1426 [15:29:35] <jelly> pikachu__: in stretch, backintime-qt4
package provides a backintime-qt4-root menu entry
1427 [15:29:42] <pikachu__> strecthstrecth
1428 [15:29:59] <jelly> pikachu__: which just calls "pkexec
backintime-qt4"
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1430 [15:31:24] <jelly> pikachu__: which is what comment 4 in that
bug reports suggests as well.
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1433 [15:31:29] <pikachu__> ok cool but it will not alter the way
backintime works if we do not use exactly the nice package
(backintime-qt4-root)?
1434 [15:31:35] <pikachu__> jelly thank you
1435 [15:32:16] <pikachu__> pkexec backintime-qt4 or su; pkexec
backintime-qt4
1436 [15:32:18] <pikachu__> ?
1437 [15:32:19] <pikachu__> jelly
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1440 [15:32:44] <jelly> "pkexec backintime-qt4"
1441 [15:32:50] <jelly> nothing more, nothing less
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1443 [15:33:08] <pikachu__> let me cjeck that
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1447 [15:33:35] <jelly> pkexec is what asks for root password and
runs the tool with root privs.
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1455 [15:35:50] <pikachu__> EError: Failed to get cron tab line 1
not crontab found
1456 [15:35:54] <pikachu__> jelly sorry :/
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1459 [15:38:40] <jelly> not sure what you're sorry about, do
you have a question?
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1462 [15:38:57] <pikachu__> I am restarting I wills ee
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1465 [15:39:00] <pikachu__> see
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1472 [15:44:33] <GNU\colossus> saw this during upgrading from
stretch to buster:
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1479 [15:47:30] <pikachu__> jelly it seems it will work :) another
question: wich folders do I have to save in case I loose my
computer? only the folders /var/lib/libvirt and /etc/libvirt?
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1491 [15:58:38] <jelly> no idea honestly, I don't kvm or
libvirt
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1493 [15:59:34] <pikachu__> ok
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1524 [16:20:52] <psicobra> hi all i'm trying to setup
minidlna on Debian arm
1525 [16:21:15] <psicobra> it's all running and my devices
can see the media server but minidlna will not see my movie files
1526 [16:21:22] <psicobra> any help would be appreciated
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1534 [16:25:59] <samba35> psicobra, which arm cpu it is ? how much
it cost ?
1535 [16:26:25] <psicobra> it's a raspberry pi
1536 [16:26:27] <psicobra> arm v6
1537 [16:26:30] <jelly> psicobra: what does your minidlna.conf
look like, esp. media_dir lines?
1538 [16:26:38] <samba35> ok
1539 [16:26:47] <jelly> if you're running raspbian and not
actual Debian, ask in
1540 [16:26:50] <jelly> !raspbian
1541 [16:26:51] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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1542 [16:27:01] <psicobra> ok thanks
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1568 [16:44:11] <cro> test
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1571 [16:45:04] <dvs> !test
1572 [16:45:05] <dpkg> Test failed.
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1580 [16:48:57] <magic_ninja> how can I configure power
management? What is the accepted way.
1581 [16:49:05] <magic_ninja> I want to make sure that my machine
isn't trying to disable USB
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1589 [16:51:13] <magic_ninja> It is actually better use of my time
to just get a wireless AC card with better drives
1590 [16:51:16] <magic_ninja> *drivers
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1619 [17:05:06] <Soo_Slow> does anybody there use bubblewrap as a
sandboxing tool? If yes - do you know any good place to find various
working rules to use as examples (since I cant understand it other
way)?
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1626 [17:13:31] <annadane> Soo_Slow, have you checked
/usr/share/doc/bubblewrap/examples?
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1633 [17:17:38] <Soo_Slow> annadane, I didnt even know about this,
to begin with :D Thanks
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1665 [17:35:06] <melpy> TwT
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1698 [17:50:02] <BlackBishop> don't shoot... but did anybody
recently install debian 9 on a sheevaplug ? :)
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1700 [17:50:25] <BlackBishop> dusted it off, booted the installer
off tftp but it doesn't seem to show up the nand
1701 [17:50:40] <dvs> !lart BlackBishop
1702 [17:50:40] * dpkg --purges BlackBishop
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1706 [17:51:43] <BlackBishop> dpkg: >:P
1707 [17:51:44] <dpkg> from memory, p is 1. piano (musical
direction) 2. proton
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1709 [17:51:52] <BlackBishop> lol
1710 [17:51:57] <BlackBishop> s/dpkg/dvs/
1711 [17:52:14] <dvs> from memory, I am a bot! ;-P
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1713 [17:52:30] <BlackBishop> hahaha
1714 [17:52:38] <BlackBishop> this channel is always funny
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1721 [17:57:55] <annadane> the nand?
1722 [17:58:55] <BlackBishop> internal flash
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1726 [17:59:31] <BlackBishop> I know it's small ( just 512M )
if I remember right but I'd like to at least boot of it and put
other partitions on usb/sdcard
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1731 [18:02:35] <dvs> BlackBishop, according to
replaced-url
1732 [18:02:51] <dvs> for the 32-bit version anyways.
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1778 [18:37:01] <Greyztar> when i ssh how can i run a program
which is on the remote computer like so ssh user@ip program ?
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1780 [18:39:13] <nifker> how does one install netsurf on debian if
libcurl3 and libcurl4 conflict?
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1782 [18:40:43] <han-solo> Greyztar: yes
1783 [18:41:35] <Greyztar> han-solo: though i get "program
doesnt exist" ?
1784 [18:41:51] <matt7676> Any ideas, why apt-listchanges does not
show the changes when the changelog.Debian.gz file is present:
replaced-url
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1786 [18:42:20] <Greyztar> han-solo: had an error in my line
thanks for help
1787 [18:42:38] <brokencycle> Hi! If I close the laptop lid, are
there any functions still allowed to run?
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1789 [18:45:13] <brokencycle> the problem: sometimes, after
closing the lid, the computer somehow seems to spring into action
and gets very very hot
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1792 [18:50:11] <brokencycle> I don't really know how to
debug this. Any tips are very welcome!
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1795 [18:53:20] <humpled> what is it supposed to do when the lid
closes?
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1798 [18:55:28] <brokencycle> It should just "suspend to
ram" - I did not configure anything special.
1799 [18:55:49] <brokencycle> but I don't know what
"suspend to ram" means.
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1801 [18:56:19] <brokencycle> I thought it would mean that every
process stops, until I open the lid again.
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1803 [18:57:40] <magic_ninja> Greyztar, just run it. Either type
the command or do a ./ to execute the script.
1804 [18:57:53] <magic_ninja> Greyztar, what program?
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1808 [19:01:28] <jmcnaught> brokencycle: you could close the lid,
wait a moment, open it, then look at the journal to see what
messages are there: 'journalctl --since="2 min ago'
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1811 [19:03:35] <brokencycle> @jmcnaught: Is there a way to
persist the journal across crashes and reboots?
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1813 [19:04:27] <jmcnaught> brokencycle: yes, you just need to
make the directory for it: 'mkdir -p /var/log/journal ;
systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal'
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1815 [19:05:02] <jelly> what does that systemd-tmpfiles do?
1816 [19:05:03] <jmcnaught> brokencycle: and then you can look at
the journal from a previous boot with "journalctl
--boot=-1" but also you can just look in /var/log/syslog which
persists by default
1817 [19:05:03] <apollo13> jmcnaught: what does the latter do and
why is it needed?
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1819 [19:05:30] <jelly> a mere "mkdir /var/log/journal"
made persistent journald here
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1821 [19:05:44] <apollo13> yeah, I don't think tmpfiles
should have anything to do with it
1822 [19:06:01] <jelly> (okay, and a reboot)
1823 [19:06:02] <BlackBishop> dvs: true, but the armel might have
a different restriction. even so, I do have enough if I partition it
right.
1824 [19:06:06] <jmcnaught> jelly: that's what it says to do
in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz
1825 [19:07:08] <jelly> ah
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1828 [19:08:14] <apollo13> mhm, is that done to fix permissions
maybe?
1829 [19:08:58] <Greyztar> magic_ninja: thanks for help,i just
wondered if i did it the wrong way cause it didnt work properly,had
a longer line which had errors in it,after corrected it works thanks
for helping
1830 [19:09:24] <jmcnaught> I think it applies
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/journal-nocow.conf
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1832 [19:09:56] <apollo13> "matters only for btrfs" :D
1833 [19:09:58] <jelly> no cow? How dare they
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1836 [19:10:55] <magic_ninja> Greyztar, usually, it is user error
:)
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1838 [19:11:58] <brokencycle> @jmcnaught: Thanks, but the syslog
does not have any information.
1839 [19:12:05] <Greyztar> magic_ninja: haha yes
1840 [19:12:08] <brokencycle> any relevant information.
1841 [19:12:15] <jelly> (but /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf
seems more relevant)
1842 [19:12:52] <apollo13> it's great how they abuse
tmpfiles.d for that
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1844 [19:13:17] <jmcnaught> jelly: right
1845 [19:13:34] <brokencycle> The problem started when the lid was
closed, and there's nothing in the log during the time when it
was closed, until the point, where I crashed and rebooted the
machine.
1846 [19:14:42] <jelly> I remember when tmpfiles was "do not
ask about this file, and especially do not use it"
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1848 [19:15:59] <jelly> oh, no, that was /etc/udev/links.conf
1849 [19:16:50] <jmcnaught> brokencycle: you can try making a copy
of /etc/systemd/logind.conf in
/etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/suspend.conf then in that file set
HandleLidSwitch to either ignore or lock, then "systemctl
restart systemd-logind" (might restart login sessions, could
reboot too) and see if the problem still happens
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1851 [19:17:17] <GenTooMan> hmmm
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1857 [19:20:32] <brokencycle> jmcnaught: I don't understand.
The default seems to be "suspend". I'm fine with
handling the locking myself, but I really want it to suspend and
stay suspended until I say otherwise.
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1861 [19:22:04] <jmcnaught> brokencycle: does the computer suspend
successfully if you do it manually?
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1865 [19:24:19] <brokencycle> I didn't try - most of the
time, the computer seems to suspend properly, but sometimes, it
doesn't seem to.
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1869 [19:27:54] <brokencycle> you mean "systemd-logind[1296]:
Suspending..."
1870 [19:28:21] <brokencycle> and "systemd-sleep[14390]:
System resumed."
1871 [19:28:25] <brokencycle> I presume?
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1875 [19:30:10] <jmcnaught> brokencycle: those messages are
normal, are there any other clues near those messages? Maybe
something that is inhibiting sleep?
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1905 [19:53:24] <brokencycle> jmcnaught: I can see "ACPI:
button: The lid device is not compliant to SW_LID.".
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1907 [19:55:05] <brokencycle> kernel: PM: suspend entry (s2idle)
1908 [19:55:17] <ihateAdmins> tightvnc doesn't start with
init.d anymore what might be the issue? I have tried several
installations and guides to add it to startup bot none of them works
now
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1910 [19:59:16] <somiaj> doens't it provide a systemd unit
file in debian?
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1918 [20:01:32] <melpy> Why do you hate admins though
1919 [20:01:36] <RandomGuyOnIrc> How can I print information about
my different tlb caches? Like the size of each each, which page
sizes are supported etc
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1924 [20:05:10] <somiaj> RandomGuyOnIrc: seems the tool cpuid
(which has a debian package) can show this.
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1926 [20:05:27] <RandomGuyOnIrc> somiaj: thanks, I will try that
1927 [20:06:08] <RandomGuyOnIrc> somiaj: thanks so much that
worked!
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1976 [20:48:22] <infinity_> i'm curious. do bugs in launchpad
get merged into debian? do they need to be reported in both places?
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1985 [20:50:10] <infinity_> I'm asking because I found this
open in ubuntu but not debian. :
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1986 [20:50:46] <pie3> what is more penetrated? dtrace or
kmdb/kdb, or any other more penetrated tool?
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2010 [21:03:17] <melpy> TWT
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2017 [21:06:01] <irl25519> Hi everyone. I'm having an issue
with the snapd and snaps in general. One day most of the snap
commands seem to stop working. Consistently get "cannot mount
squashfs image using squashfs". Is this some form of regression
within the snapd package or the kernel?
2018 [21:06:25] <irl25519> I'm on latest stable
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2020 [21:06:40] <jelly> infinity_: they are not merged. Ubuntu
maintainer may report it to debian as well, and in some cases the
maintainers collaborate or are the same and they may choose to fix
an issue in Debian right away.
2021 [21:06:41] <irl25519> which is a 4.16 kernel IIRC
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2023 [21:07:00] <irl25519> Ah right OK
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2025 [21:07:48] <irl25519> By not merged do you mean the package
is not part of stable? Or that no fix has been merged?
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2028 [21:09:13] <jelly> irl25519: are you the same person as
infinity_?
2029 [21:09:31] <jelly> if not, that wasn't for you
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2031 [21:09:50] <irl25519> missed the earlier conversation, no
i'm not infinity
2032 [21:11:17] <jelly> irl25519: debian stretch, current stable,
uses kernel 4.9 series. Which debian release do you have installed?
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2037 [21:12:06] <irl25519> Actually I think I'm using Stretch
with backports enabled
2038 [21:12:09] <infinity_> jelly: thanks. I guess I won't
report it in debian. seems like an easy fix but yet super obscure
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2040 [21:12:44] <infinity_> I just updated my sources on one
machine to buster. fingers crossed :)
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2042 [21:13:51] <jelly> infinity_: if noone reports it, it
won't get fixed.
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2056 [21:27:02] <Greyztar> hello, trying to run command over ssh
in screen on remote target,i do ssh user@ip screen -m command,but
when i check the remote computer theres no screen session listed in
ps manager,shouldnt it spawn a screen process on remote target?
2057 [21:27:25] <infinity_> quoting?
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2059 [21:30:31] <jhutchins> Greyztar: -m is definitely not what
you want. You need to start a detatched session.
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2061 [21:31:17] <Greyztar> jhutchins, alright ill try without -m
then
2062 [21:32:07] <jhutchins> Greyztar: The problem is that when the
ssh session ends, the screen session will also unless it's
detatched.
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2068 [21:33:46] <Greyztar> jhutchins, yeah i think i want it to
persist, hmm omit -m gave me another error something terminal,could
-t option help running it that way?
2069 [21:34:24] <jhutchins> Greyztar: Im not sure what the
strategy is. What are you actually trying to do?
2070 [21:34:45] <somiaj> you may want to actually login with ssh
(not run a command with ssh), then run screen after
2071 [21:34:59] <somiaj> running a command via ssh may not give
you a full shell
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2076 [21:36:45] <Greyztar> jhutchins, im trying to do apt-update
and upgrade over ssh thats why i want to spawn a screen session so
if i get dc it would continue or so? but im running it as a cron job
so want it automated aswell
2077 [21:37:25] <somiaj> Greyztar: is this on stable? What is the
goal here, would unatteneed-upgrades do the trick for you?
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2083 [21:39:14] <Greyztar> somiaj, its stable i would be running
commands from,but my server that receive update is ubuntu with lots
of containers so its easier for me to run updates like this lxc exec
container -- apt update and upgrade instead of installing ssh and so
i think?
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2086 [21:40:27] <Greyztar> though it would be nice with it being
in a screen session in case i get dc and such so it wont mess it all
up :)
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2088 [21:41:23] <Greyztar> ill look into gettin screen detached
though i didnt think of it
2089 [21:41:40] <somiaj> I think the problem is trying to do it in
one command. You may have to ssh to the server, then run the sceen
sessions
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2093 [21:42:22] <somiaj> but if all you want is regular updates,
unatteneded upgrades in stretch works good, because it will
automatically apply security updates to your system, so you
don't have to manually do this. You'll have to ask ubuntu
about how it works there though.
2094 [21:42:23] <Greyztar> yeah i think so too maybe ill have
another go and see if may solve this otherwise
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2096 [21:43:23] <Greyztar> somiaj, yeah i know about that option
its nice,but i want to use this ssh command for other stuff aswell
so thought id research little about it maybe see if i could make a
script or so
2097 [21:43:57] <Greyztar> thanks for help all ill go research
some more
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2099 [21:44:48] <somiaj> You'll have to check the docs, but
ssh user@foo command I don't think runs the command in a full
shell (i.e. bash isn't run) which is what is causing you issues
with screen here.
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2101 [21:46:14] <somiaj> as per the ssh manpage, " If command
is specified, it is executed on the remote host instead of a login
shell."
2102 [21:46:40] <somiaj> so since a login shell isn't being
run you won't always have the same affect as if you ran a
command in a login shell (which I think is what you are running into
with screen)
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2104 [21:47:22] <Greyztar> somiaj, thanks for info ill read up
some more on ssh aswell for this,would be really nice to get going
with this
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2108 [21:48:03] <somiaj> it then further clarifies that it runs
the command in a non-interactive shell.
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2117 [21:52:07] <Greyztar> starting to wonder if im able to do
this,im migrating my router soon and new os wont have ansible on it
so i thought running updates and stuff over ssh instead but might be
a challenge hehe
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2120 [21:52:50] <somiaj> hmm, can't seem to find any info
about screen and non-interactive shells. But the man page basically
states that "Multiplex a physical terminal between several
processes (typically interactive shells).", and you are trying
to run it in a non-inteactive shell. Not getting any good gogole
hits about running sceen in a non-interactive shell.
2121 [21:53:01] <somiaj> You may want to go ask a more screen
specific support channel for this.
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2126 [21:53:45] <Greyztar> yeah ill search the web abit first and
see what i can dig up aswell
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2128 [21:54:44] <humpled> you can launch screen detached
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2133 [21:57:56] <Greyztar> ill fiddle some more with it and report
my findings havent read screen man yet either might do to find how i
launch it detached aswell
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2205 [22:27:28] <karlpinc> Greyztar: Could you use
"nohup" instead of screen?
2206 [22:29:06] <Greyztar> no wonder it didnt work,i checked
processes on container instead of host where i was connected to its
listed there of course,thanks again for help all its working as i
needed now =)
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2209 [22:30:10] <Greyztar> karlpinc, i thought of it also but
first started testing screen i think nohup should possibly work fine
aswell might test it also thanks for info
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2212 [22:31:33] <Greyztar> ill continue with it tomorrow i
think,no use working when head isnt following though i think ill get
it working properly now
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2214 [22:32:22] <karlpinc> Greyztar: The whole point of nohup is
to continue processing when the controlling process goes away.
2215 [22:33:21] <Greyztar> karlpinc, yeah i read about it also
before screen its just screen ive used on some other occasions along
with tmux so i thought it might be easier as i somewhat understand
it though
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2218 [22:34:42] <Greyztar> karlpinc, maybe its an better
alternative aswell so i dont end up with many idle screen sessions
if i dont find a way for them to end themselfs hehe
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2227 [22:44:21] <jhutchins> Greyztar: nohup sounds like a good
candidate.
2228 [22:45:10] <jhutchins> Greyztar: You may also want to
consider jenkins and/or ansible.
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2231 [22:50:16] <Greyztar> jhutchins: yeah i agree on nohup i
should just gone with it from start,im already using ansible but
migrating os on my maintenance node and wont have it availible no
more so have to rely on ssh,couldnt figure out how to get fq_codel
effective on my router with armbian so i switch to openwrt as i
think it should work there but no ansible for openwrt though
2232 [22:52:00] <Greyztar> thanks for awsome help again all,i got
so hung up on screen not working i didnt bother even looking at
nohup good time to take a break then =)
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2255 [23:11:34] <HelloShitty> Hi
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2257 [23:12:02] <HelloShitty> Does anyone knows if the HDMI port
laptops have can be use as input port?
2258 [23:12:45] <HelloShitty> Can I try to connect a device that
is usually connected to a TV to my laptop HDMI port and see what
that device usually sends to a TV?
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2264 [23:21:14] <BCMM> HelloShitty: nope
2265 [23:21:25] <HelloShitty> ty
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2267 [23:21:41] <BCMM> HelloShitty: like, they're not capable
of it at an electronic level. there's not a hardware fix for
it.
2268 [23:22:05] <HelloShitty> sure, I understand
2269 [23:22:08] <BCMM> i mean, not capable of accepting and
decoding video data. it does accept *some* input, because hdmi is
bidirectional
2270 [23:22:15] <HelloShitty> it's an output port, period.
2271 [23:22:28] <HelloShitty> ahhh ok
2272 [23:22:32] <BCMM> like what the monitor supports
2273 [23:22:40] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, it's pretty much output with
sync.
2274 [23:23:01] <HelloShitty> I see
2275 [23:23:02] <BCMM> also hdmi can include ethernet support, or
CEC (which is that thing where you can use your TV remote to control
your DVD player or whatever)
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2277 [23:23:25] <Psi-Jack> If you re-wired the circuits that it
goes to, aka: hardware hacking, you could make it accept input, but
you'd have to modify literal hardware to do it. :)
2278 [23:23:27] <BCMM> but the actual video data is one-way
2279 [23:23:54] <BCMM> HelloShitty: i know this is probably
obvious, but i meant to say "not a hardware fix for it"
above
2280 [23:23:57] <BCMM> i mean
2281 [23:23:58] <Psi-Jack> BCMM: And various other names by
various brands. LOL
2282 [23:24:02] <BCMM> i meant to say "not a software
fix"
2283 [23:24:11] <HelloShitty> yeah, sure
2284 [23:24:14] <HelloShitty> I got it
2285 [23:24:15] <HelloShitty> :)
2286 [23:24:39] <BCMM> Psi-Jack: heh, that's one of the nice
things about shitty no-brand TVs
2287 [23:25:17] <BCMM> you don't need a bloody lookup table
of marketing names to work out if they do cec
2288 [23:25:20] <Psi-Jack> You mean about the ONLY things?
Excluding all the crappy parts of them like the crappy matte
minimally visible screens, etc. ;)
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2290 [23:26:35] <Psi-Jack> BCMM: Good to see you here, BTW. :)
2291 [23:26:53] <BCMM> Psi-Jack: heh, i've been here for a
while
2292 [23:27:16] <Psi-Jack> BCMM: Yeah. I know. I have been as
well, mostly inactively. I've abandoned the /other/ channel.
2293 [23:27:49] <_2E0LNX> Q: Is here right to ask for assistance
on installing Debian on embedded?
2294 [23:28:24] <jmcnaught> _2E0LNX: sure you can ask about
anything Debian support related here
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2296 [23:29:54] <BCMM> jmcnaught: is that right? i thought Sid
talk was discouraged, for example
2297 [23:30:03] <_2E0LNX> Awesome, I am trying to install on a
Cubietruck (cubieboard 3), following
replaced-url
2298 [23:30:18] <jmcnaught> BCMM: they can ask and then we tell
them where to go :)
2299 [23:30:22] <Psi-Jack> hahaha
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2301 [23:30:53] <BCMM> i reckon here is the right place because
there's like half a dozen people in #debian-embedded
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2303 [23:31:23] <jmcnaught> BCMM: is that on OFTC?
2304 [23:32:31] <BCMM> yeah
2305 [23:33:32] <Psi-Jack> What's that about 9.9 needs
dist-upgrade?
2306 [23:34:04] * Psi-Jack reads dpkg on it.. "Oh!"
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2308 [23:34:54] <somiaj> with apt-get, kernel abi changes will
need a dist-upgrade. I don't think this is true for apt.
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2312 [23:35:36] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I usually use apt, not apt-get
anymore.
2313 [23:36:45] <jmcnaught> 9.9 removed icedtea-8-plugin,
that's why it needed dist-upgrade
2314 [23:36:47] <Psi-Jack> It's monthly update time so I
update all my servers around this time every month. Hehe
2315 [23:36:59] <Psi-Jack> Oh.. Pfft.
2316 [23:37:15] <metbsd> is there new version of debian?
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2318 [23:37:35] <somiaj> metbsd: point releases aren't a new
version, but just all the secuirty and grave bug fixes for stable.
2319 [23:37:50] <somiaj> metbsd: the new stable version (buster or
debian 10.x) will be released sometime this summer (Best guess)
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2322 [23:38:41] <metbsd> im running 9 stable, how do i get those
security and bug fixes?
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2325 [23:39:09] <Psi-Jack> apt full-upgrade
2326 [23:39:38] <metbsd> nothing to upgrade
2327 [23:39:52] <Psi-Jack> Then tada. You're done!
2328 [23:40:37] <somiaj> nerditup: if you have been doing
dist-upgrade and have security sources, you have been getting them
all along.
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2330 [23:40:43] <somiaj> metbsd: ^^
2331 [23:41:01] <metbsd> ok thanks
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2333 [23:41:32] <somiaj> well you should only need upgrade, but
dist-upgrade won't hurt. In this rare case a dist-upgrade was
needed to remove an old plugin that probably had security issues
2334 [23:43:30] <metbsd> i've never used dist-upgrade
actually
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2336 [23:44:45] <somiaj> one shouldn't need to in stable.
2337 [23:45:23] <jmcnaught> except sometimes, like for the 9.9
point release
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2339 [23:47:42] <somiaj> and only if you say had icetea-8-plugin
installed
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2344 [23:52:08] <Psi-Jack> I mean, I think I had to apt
full-upgrade 9.9 last month in order to get all the updates proper.
2345 [23:52:16] <Psi-Jack> On my servers.....
2346 [23:53:04] <jmcnaught> _2E0LNX: are you using a serial
console?
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2348 [23:53:13] <_2E0LNX> jmcnaught: no, local
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2350 [23:55:21] <_2E0LNX> as in, it has a built in HDMI port and
USB sockets...
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2353 [23:55:43] <Psi-Jack> uxfi: Umm.. Thanks. But please use the
channel.
2354 [23:56:00] <uxfi> test
2355 [23:56:01] <uxfi> ah sorry
2356 [23:56:03] <uxfi> was lagging
2357 [23:56:11] <uxfi> wanted to be sure it is working :)
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2359 [23:56:48] <Psi-Jack> That... Makes no sense, to use PM,
because you were lagging...
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