• 0[00:00:30] <garotosopa> somiaj, thanks. is this a recommended guide on how to become more familiar with these processes? replaced-url
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• 2[00:00:31] <somiaj> If a matainer goes missing and stops updating things there are ways to have a non-matainer upload or to get a new matainer
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• 4[00:01:00] <garotosopa> I don't think that's the case. He's probably just been busy.
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• 6[00:01:19] <somiaj> garotosopa: yup, that is the place to start for learning how to matain a debian package, it contains both speicifics on packaging and a bit of policy. As one gets more use to things, the policy manual is good to know about too, though quite borning to read.
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• 9[00:01:59] <garotosopa> somiaj, thank you!
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• 26[00:10:45] <Sveta_> garotosopa: package maintainers may also use #debian-mentors at oftc, at their discretion (mailing list is another commonly used resource).
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• 43[00:21:22] <simbalion> does debian do any sort of cpu throttling and if so can I disable it?
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• 45[00:22:40] <annadane> if what you're asking is "my computer is slow, why?" then check for missing firmware first of all: dmesg | grep firmware
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• 47[00:22:54] <simbalion> No, I'm asking if debian does any CPU throttling.
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• 51[00:23:12] <simbalion> apparently some distributions do
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• 53[00:23:39] <anonnumberanon> Would it be kernel based or distro based
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• 56[00:24:28] <simbalion> I don't know but what I've found so far suggests different programs for managing it depending on what distribution (ubuntu and rhel for example)
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• 61[00:26:42] <simbalion> it looks like my system is using the 'ondemand' governor and I think I want to change it to the 'performance' governor, I think it's causing problems in Wine games
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• 105[00:58:57] <lwells> HI all
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• 158[01:29:22] <brw> hola
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• 169[01:36:12] <uniqdom> Hello. I was dist-upgrading from Jessie to Stretch, during the process I was seeing some "no space left in device". After all the process ended without problem. I fear that there are some packages that were installed without some files.
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• 171[01:36:36] <uniqdom> Can check the files of the packages somehow?
• 172[01:37:36] <uniqdom> since now I have erased some files to have more space available, can I reinstall all the packages??
• 173[01:38:34] <annadane> !es
• 174[01:38:34] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
• 175[01:38:38] <annadane> brw, ^
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• 178[01:41:09] <uniqdom> annadane: it was for me, right?
• 179[01:42:18] <annadane> uniqdom, no, for someone else
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• 181[01:42:24] <uniqdom> oh, ok
• 182[01:42:31] <annadane> (the !es factoid)
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• 194[01:47:34] <brw> Oh, was just saying hello, annadane :)
• 195[01:47:57] <brw> uniqdom: what happens when you run apt dist-upgrade again?
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• 199[01:49:17] <uniqdom> brw: that command runs without error: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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• 201[01:50:10] <brw> ok
• 202[01:50:22] <brw> you can check dpkg results to see if you have any partially installed packs
• 203[01:50:23] <brw> dpkg --list | grep -ve 'ii\|^rc'
• 204[01:50:23] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, brw
• 205[01:50:34] <brw> hah, sorry botman :)
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• 207[01:50:44] <uniqdom> lol
• 208[01:50:46] <brw> uniqdom: run that command and tell me if any packages show up
• 209[01:50:53] <uniqdom> I will try that
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• 212[01:53:15] <jak2000> hi all
• 213[01:53:20] <jak2000> how to change the time?
• 214[01:53:28] <uniqdom> brw, replaced-url
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• 217[01:53:53] <brw> looks clean to me, uniqdom. I think you might have gotten lucky
• 218[01:54:16] <brw> !man date
• 219[01:54:16] <dpkg> man date is probably at replaced-url
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• 221[01:54:30] <brw> jak2000 ^^^
• 222[01:54:36] <uniqdom> brw, do you know the command "debsums"?
• 223[01:54:50] <brw> nope
• 224[01:55:08] <brw> ok I see it now
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• 226[01:55:20] <brw> did you run it and find some discrepancies?
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• 228[01:55:46] <uniqdom> i will run it, and i will pastebin the output
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• 247[02:03:59] <jak2000> brw thanks
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• 262[02:14:36] <AndrewPRS> hey guys! coming from the ubuntu world it is a bit surprising that users are not able to sudo by default. is this a security feature?
• 263[02:14:59] <AndrewPRS> is sudo insecure?
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• 266[02:15:53] <brw> you mean the user you create on install?
• 267[02:15:57] <jak2000> brw: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
• 268[02:16:15] <AndrewPRS> brw yes
• 269[02:16:24] <brw> jak2000: ahh, you wanted to set the time zone? Apologies.
• 270[02:16:33] <AndrewPRS> is there a reason for not having sudo?
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• 272[02:16:49] <brw> AndrewPRS: No, debian just doesn't do that by default. You can install it easily and add the user you want to have those privs to the sudo group
• 273[02:17:01] <AndrewPRS> ok
• 274[02:17:06] <AndrewPRS> ty
• 275[02:17:10] <brw> np
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• 278[02:17:51] <jak2000> yes and automatically minus 1 hour :)
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• 280[02:17:57] <jak2000> much thanks...
• 281[02:18:05] <brw> you bet, sorry I misunderstood ya.
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• 285[02:22:16] <kingsley> What's a nice, free, way to extract rar archives?
• 286[02:22:32] <Sveta_> unrar
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• 289[02:22:54] <Sveta_> oops sorry, that's nonfree
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• 292[02:23:07] <Sveta_> try 7zip
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• 304[02:26:19] <Sveta_> kingsley: 7zip or unrar-free (both are not non-free)
• 305[02:26:55] <kingsley> Sveta_: Yes, I tried both.
• 306[02:27:21] <kingsley> Unfortunately, neither worked with this rar archive.
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• 310[02:28:02] <Sveta_> okay. did they give you an error message?
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• 313[02:29:08] <tw> anybody use vulkan with nvidia-driver? I have a GTX 970 that when I try to vkCreateInstance gives me VK_ERROR_INCOMPATIBLE_DRIVER. The card and driver version are supposed to be supported.
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• 316[02:29:48] <Devastator> !nvidia
• 317[02:29:48] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
• 318[02:30:25] <kingsley> Sveta: You ask a reasonable question.
• 319[02:30:37] <tw> Devastator: nvidia-driver the package.
• 320[02:30:39] <kingsley> Yes, they did give error messages.
• 321[02:30:41] <kingsley> But!
• 322[02:30:56] <kingsley> I'm happy to report that the "unar" command seems to have worked!
• 323[02:31:00] <Devastator> ,v nvidia-driver
• 324[02:31:01] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 375.82-4~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 375.82-7; sid/non-free: 375.82-7; experimental/non-free: 384.90-2
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• 326[02:31:40] <Sveta> kingsley: yes `unrar` is from the non-free repository, it is proprietary
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• 329[02:32:36] <Devastator> tw did you read the wiki above? is your card id 13C2?
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• 332[02:32:54] <kingsley> Sveta: Yes, but there's also a command called "unar". It looks like a typo, but it's right.
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• 334[02:34:20] <tw> Devastator: 10de:13c2, yes. The driver itself works for X and opengl but isn't taking kindly to vulkan.
• 335[02:34:20] <Sveta> great, I see it is a separate package too; I'm really glad you found it and it worked
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• 337[02:35:02] <Devastator> tw well, the support of that specific driver is in #nvidia
• 338[02:35:08] <tw> okay, thank you.
• 339[02:35:15] <Devastator> welcome :)
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• 342[02:37:48] <lwells> I was running arch linux few weeks ago, had no problem using bluetooth..now with my clean install with Debian 9 the bluetooth is not working. The bluetooth is on the motherboard..what can I do to fix this
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• 344[02:40:25] <uniqdom> brw, sudo debsums | grep -v "OK", returns nothing, so all packages that have a md5sum are ok. but I was reading that there are some packages that doesn't have md5sums...
• 345[02:41:09] <uniqdom> Can I somehow reinstall all packages?? jJust to be 'double' sure.
• 346[02:41:13] <catbehemoth> hello, I was wondering if it is at all possible to use systemd-boot instead of grub with debian? and if yes is it at all possible to install debian directly with systemd-boot?
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• 350[02:42:36] <lwells> That seems to be a weakness with Debian
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• 418[03:33:55] <spyke581> I have an NFS server that has been working perfectly up until i ran chmod -Rv 650 on the folder that holds of all of my shares to tighten my security and now im getting an error while trying to mount the shares "access denied by server while mounting /foo/bar/"
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• 420[03:34:07] <spyke581> what have i done wrong?
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• 484[04:23:47] <ghostyy> replaced-url
• 485[04:24:08] <ghostyy> i am using 32-bit little endian mips if that matters
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• 490[04:29:15] <ghostyy> ah i can just set release=jessie lxc-create ...
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• 664[06:48:34] <jaggz> how do I find what package a source file is in? it's a kde plasma file: plugins/scenes/opengl/scene_opengl.cpp
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• 681[07:02:28] <denis> hi, i get an error after install nvidia prop. driver and my X doesn't work anymore
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• 684[07:03:06] <denis> lightdm.service failed to start - see systemctl status lightdm.service for more information
• 685[07:03:18] <towo^work> because you hafe a laptop?
• 686[07:03:28] <denis> no its a desktop
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• 689[07:04:03] <denis> i just apt-get install nvidia-driver and kernel-headers
• 690[07:04:05] <towo^work> denis, and Xorg.0.log soes saying what?
• 691[07:04:09] <towo^work> *does
• 692[07:04:13] <denis> it does
• 693[07:04:30] <denis> im on plain text so idk how to put it on debian paste
• 694[07:04:41] <towo^work> install pastebinit
• 695[07:04:46] <denis> ok
• 696[07:05:07] <towo^work> then you can do pastebinit < /path/to/Xorg.0.log
• 697[07:05:18] <EnchanterTim> also sprunge.us
• 698[07:05:20] <EnchanterTim> han gon
• 699[07:05:23] <EnchanterTim> let me get you the bash alias
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• 703[07:06:11] <EnchanterTim> # paste code to web w/ sprunge
• 704[07:06:11] <greenbagels> command | curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us
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• 706[07:06:13] <EnchanterTim> alias sprunge='curl -F "sprunge=<-" replaced-url
• 707[07:06:25] <EnchanterTim> put this in your ~/.bashrc
• 708[07:06:32] <EnchanterTim> And then you can source ~/.bashrc
• 709[07:06:35] <denis> towo^work: paste.debian.net/993814
• 710[07:06:38] <EnchanterTim> Then you can cat something| sprunge
• 711[07:06:57] <towo^work> denis, dkms status
• 712[07:07:14] <denis> towo^work: sorry i dont follow
• 713[07:07:18] <denis> what you mean
• 714[07:07:22] <towo^work> denis, type it in
• 715[07:07:25] <denis> ok
• 716[07:07:34] <denis> - added
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• 718[07:07:58] <denis> nvidia-current, 375.82 - added
• 719[07:08:10] <towo^work> denis, i don't think, nvidia 375.82 can builded against kernel 4.13
• 720[07:08:19] <towo^work> denis, and this is not a debian stable kernel
• 721[07:08:30] <denis> it's the a
• 722[07:08:32] <denis> buster
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• 724[07:08:50] <denis> i've just installed it
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• 726[07:09:03] <towo^work> denis, you have to use nvidia-driver from unstable
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• 728[07:09:29] <denis> how do i do that
• 729[07:09:41] <denis> what should i put on sources.list
• 730[07:09:54] <towo^work> nothing
• 731[07:10:07] <towo^work> don't use testing or unstable, if you can't handle it propper
• 732[07:10:29] <denis> this 375.82 driver is from the testing repository
• 733[07:10:34] <denis> whats wrong
• 734[07:10:42] <annadane> !tell denis about frankendebian
• 735[07:10:47] <annadane> !tell denis about backports
• 736[07:10:59] <denis> its not a frankstain
• 737[07:11:12] <denis> its a testing build just the way it is
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• 741[07:12:17] <annadane> your computer in general is testing? okay, fine. for future refence, testing/unstable -> #debian-next irc.oftc.net
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• 743[07:12:56] <denis> debian stable doesn't really need support most of the time
• 744[07:13:06] <denis> and this debian-next channel is empty
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• 746[07:13:12] <annadane> well are you stable or testing?
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• 748[07:13:38] <n4dir> how to run a mixed testing unstable system is explained at forums.debian.net, there is also a factoid by dpkg here, but i forgot it's name.
• 749[07:13:50] <n4dir> !/msg dpkg mixed testing unstable
• 750[07:13:51] <annadane> (PS, #debian-next is OFTC, *not* freenode.)
• 751[07:14:18] <denis> thats kinda lame
• 752[07:14:21] <denis> but ok
• 753[07:14:28] <denis> "thank you"
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• 755[07:14:39] <denis> for all the help
• 756[07:14:45] <denis> :)
• 757[07:14:49] <denis> you rock
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• 760[07:15:29] <greenbagels> "thank you" seemed sarcastic
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• 776[07:26:45] <obiwahn> [108462.634330] EDAC MC0: 1 CE memory scrubbing error on CPU_SrcID#0_Ha#0_Chan#0_DIMM#0 (channel:0 slot:0 page:0x44125e offset:0x0 grain:32 syndrome:0x0 - area:DRAM err_code:0008:00c2 socket:0 ha:0 channel_mask:1 rank:1) is this ecc
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• 780[07:27:16] <obiwahn> like in usual correction? Or is the memory broken?
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• 782[07:27:34] <pfote> wait how often it happens
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• 787[07:28:29] <pfote> i have servers that spit out EDAC messages daily, but no problems so far
• 788[07:28:51] <obiwahn> 2 or 3 times a day
• 789[07:29:22] <pfote> always same page?
• 790[07:29:37] <rant> obiwahn: well the CE is a correctable error but if its happening frequently it does suggest that a memory address may be corrupted.. if its the same address then you may want to replace the memory
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• 792[07:30:06] <obiwahn> yes same page
• 793[07:30:09] <obiwahn> always
• 794[07:30:48] <obiwahn> replaced-url
• 795[07:31:34] <pfote> then that dimm is probably damaged and should be replaced
• 796[07:31:37] <obiwahn> Thank you! Too early in germany;) I should have checked the address myself:P
• 797[07:32:10] <pfote> haha
• 798[07:32:38] <obiwahn> pfote: hope you do not need to commute takes me always 1,5h to get here ...
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• 800[07:33:14] <pfote> hrm no, if its just one bit on one bank you probably get away with it for months without noticing
• 801[07:33:29] <pfote> so its not that critical
• 802[07:33:43] <pfote> (depends a bit where that memory area is though)
• 803[07:35:01] <obiwahn> we had trouble with /home becoming ro ... we put a new disk in and stated to collect s.m.a.r.t. info
• 804[07:35:59] <pfote> hrm yeah, possible that a corrupt bank can cause this
• 805[07:37:11] <obiwahn> But all the disks seem to be ok. So I took an other look into dmesg output today. Maybe it was more obvious because there was less disk spam in the log this morning...
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• 807[07:38:57] <obiwahn> if he have trouble again we are going to replace the mem. It was really annoying on Monday because I and some 2 other guys work on that server :) But in December we get some bofh then we do not need to take care ourselves anymore:)
• 808[07:39:07] <obiwahn> s/he/we/
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• 822[07:55:35] <CrazyTux> hello, could anybody here provide a link to a webpage or a document that explains in detail the Debian 9 installation procedure? in a dual boot setup.
• 823[07:56:11] <CrazyTux> a pdf file would be of great help.
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• 833[08:06:57] <CrazyTux> I got it.
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• 835[08:07:35] <dionysus69> finally, we got a skype update
• 836[08:07:42] <dionysus69> I thought this day would never exist
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• 845[08:16:37] <klys> anyone know a way to load a script at startup with systemd ?
• 846[08:17:34] <greenbagels> I just remember it being more work than I cared to do at the time
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• 848[08:17:57] <greenbagels> The arch wiki probably describes how
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• 854[08:22:15] <kopper> klys have you tried crontab?
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• 857[08:23:05] <klys> kooper, thing is, this one has to load a module before udev runs
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• 859[08:23:19] <klys> kopper*
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• 880[08:30:33] <kopper> klys: OK. I've started services at boot by creating .service file in /etc/systemd/system
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• 882[08:31:27] <klys> thx
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• 885[08:31:40] <kopper> This is for Ubuntu but same syntax should apply replaced-url
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• 927[09:02:09] <l9> considering porting from stabel too testing how much a difference will there be? and how unstable is the testing branch ?
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• 929[09:03:01] <klys> I've been running sid for a while
• 930[09:03:11] <klys> so there's no saying at this point
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• 934[09:06:44] <l9> klys: almost as running the stable with not much hickups than that?
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• 938[09:08:26] <klys> l9, there's an official debian web page on transitions
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• 949[09:13:28] <abff> sid is excellent
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• 954[09:16:03] <l9> seems like all the packages gets upgraded faster on sid than on stable, but as far i have read it seems like only the stable gets security updates?
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• 956[09:17:08] <l9> what does it mean that the changes hasnt been adviced or that sid is missing new patches for security flaws
• 957[09:17:53] <l9> adviced/reviced
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• 969[09:26:43] <RoyK> !next
• 970[09:26:44] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 972[09:27:10] <RoyK> l9: sid is updated all the time
• 973[09:27:12] <RoyK> !sid
• 974[09:27:12] <dpkg> hmm... sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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• 976[09:27:38] <RoyK> l9: don't use Sid unless you're testing stuff, really, very really
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• 978[09:28:42] <annadane> kind of. important thing about sid is to remember to be smart about updates. it's very possible to run it as a daily desktop but only if you keep backups, and accept the occasional breakage
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• 983[09:30:09] <RoyK> it's possible to live for years while BASE jumping too ;)
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• 992[09:31:37] <annadane> all kinds of anecdotes of "i've run sid for 5 years without any issues"
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• 994[09:31:48] <annadane> but the next update could break your system, so beware
• 995[09:31:52] <RoyK> annadane: I see no reason to using Sid on anything except for test or development purposes - than in a VM - if you need the SNS package blabla, well, there are ways to build that
• 996[09:31:55] <RoyK> !sns
• 997[09:31:56] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 998[09:32:07] <annadane> to each their own
• 999[09:32:20] <RoyK> annadane: those anectdotes are from the few that made it, not from the lot that didn't
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• 1001[09:32:57] <RoyK> it's like those anecdotes about "we survived well without a seatbelt" etc
• 1002[09:33:12] <RoyK> those who died don't have a story to tell
• 1003[09:33:31] <l9> i was considering changing over too zfs and doing daily snapshots of it. have been using zfs on my freebsd servers now for awhile and it is really plesant too work with, so backups shouldnt be a problem. I am not so insane that i have all my codes in one basket :P
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• 1005[09:34:01] <RoyK> l9: keep in mind that snapshots or raid isn't backup
• 1006[09:34:37] <RoyK> l9: backup on some cloud storage is preferred - with duplicati or something else that uses good encryption
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• 1010[09:35:58] <l9> RoyK: well i have one filesystem that is spanned over 3 diffrent servers, in total there is 8 or 10 disk that holds the snapshots
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• 1022[09:39:28] <l9> nothing, would not even notice it. two servers fail and on the last server a disk fails i loos contact, until i can bring server 1 or 2 up again
• 1023[09:39:29] <gr8> so, I just installed Debian 9.2 via the XFCE installer image, and after the installation I rebooted. At the moment where a display manager should start, I get a black screen. Any ideas?
• 1024[09:40:46] <RoyK> l9: what do you use for this cluster?
• 1025[09:40:57] <l9> zfs rsync
• 1026[09:41:08] <l9> recive send ;)
• 1027[09:41:10] <gr8> oops sorry, works :) It just took a minute
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• 1031[09:43:02] <l9> what i want too do now is kinda trickyer cause i want my desktop laptop and my servers too share evry thing so if i save a file on my desktop it is now cloned to the laptop as well.
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• 1033[09:44:24] <l9> so too loose one file i have too destroy desktop servers and laptop
• 1034[09:45:29] <l9> so yes snapshots are backups if they are correctly setup and cloned
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• 1036[09:45:53] <l9> what level of backup one needs depends on how important that file is.
• 1037[09:46:23] <l9> annadane: yeah i saw the rm -r / bug... nasty :D
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• 1052[09:53:06] * l9 have not lost a file since 09
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• 1066[09:59:40] <rant> seems that particular factoid was made by beardy, but I coined that term 3 years earlier when I made the sns syndrome factoid :P
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• 1136[10:41:19] <MCMic_w> Hello
• 1137[10:41:40] <MCMic_w> Does anyone know if there is a french translation of the manpage for sudoers somewhere?
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• 1144[10:47:28] <rant> ,v manpages-fr
• 1145[10:47:29] <judd> Package: manpages-fr on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.44d1p1-1; buster: 3.65d1p1-1; jessie: 3.65d1p1-1; sid: 3.65d1p1-1; stretch: 3.65d1p1-1
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• 1148[10:47:57] <rant> ,info manpages-fr
• 1149[10:47:58] <judd> Package manpages-fr (doc, optional) in stretch/amd64: French version of the manual pages about using GNU/Linux. Version: 3.65d1p1-1; Size: 789.8k; Installed: 860k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1157[10:51:05] <rant> MCMic_w: sudoers doesn't seem to be in the manpages-fr package, you could possibly run the english version through a french translator online *shrug*
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• 1161[10:51:52] <MCMic_w> rant: No I’ll translate it by hand then. I just did not want to redo existing work :-)
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• 1163[10:52:10] <MCMic_w> We have sudo options in our LDAP tool and we need to translate their descriptions.
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• 1169[10:53:19] <rant> sudoers is a rather large manpage
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• 1212[11:10:46] <Wolve> Has anyone got wmic on Debian Stretch installed?
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• 1214[11:11:26] <babilen> What's the challenge?
• 1215[11:11:33] <Iridos> since upgrading to stretch, vim switches to visual mode when I mark words with a line… the really annoying thing about that is, that it's not putting the marked text in the selection buffer anymore
• 1216[11:11:44] <Wolve> It doesn't compile correctly and wants stuff installed, that I can't find
• 1217[11:11:47] <Wolve> like PAM
• 1218[11:12:06] <babilen> Iridos: Oh, that *is* annoying :(
• 1219[11:12:15] <babilen> There's just one solution: Use emacs ;)
• 1220[11:12:31] <LOL_DONGS> babilen: thank you for reminding me
• 1221[11:12:37] <LOL_DONGS> i've been meaning to spam #emacs
• 1222[11:13:03] <Iridos> stretch broke a lot of things for me… I *had* actually opened a file in vim because knockd doesn't start anymore because my ethernet became eth1 and knockd just assumes it's eth0…
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• 1228[11:13:22] <Iridos> babilen, ah no, i run another OS already… it's called debian… no need for emacs :P
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• 1230[11:13:42] <Iridos> heh, well done
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• 1235[11:14:11] <Wolve> Anyone experience with wmic?
• 1236[11:14:34] <babilen> Iridos: I can't reproduce your complete issue .. It is switching to visual mode (which is okay IMHO), but the selection makes it into the selection buffer
• 1237[11:14:46] <Iridos> oh, that is weird
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• 1240[11:15:10] <babilen> Wolve: I guess this is software that is not in Debian .. we might be able to help if you were to provide a link to it and paste your compilation attempt (commands+output) to replaced-url
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• 1243[11:15:37] <babilen> Iridos: I am on unstable though (stretch workstation is a bit away, will let you know later)
• 1244[11:15:52] <Iridos> maybe you're one update ahead then
• 1245[11:16:28] <Iridos> I can probably just switch that option off… it'd actually have been interesting to try it without that bug
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• 1247[11:17:08] <Iridos> #864074 looks like the next one I might run into
• 1248[11:17:09] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1249[11:17:11] <babilen> judd: v vim-gnome --arch amd64
• 1250[11:17:13] <judd> Package: vim-gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:7.3.547-7; wheezy-security: 2:7.3.547-7+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 2:7.4.488-3~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u2; jessie: 2:7.4.488-7+deb8u3; sid: 2:8.0.0134-1; stretch: 2:8.0.0197-4+deb9u1; sid: 2:8.0.0946-1; buster: 2:8.0.1144-1; sid: 2:8.0.1144-1; sid: 2:8.0.1226-1
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• 1252[11:18:16] <Iridos> hmm… babilen, if it's a bug in stretch and fixed in unstable… one should file a bug report against it nevertheless, so it has a chance to get fixed via rc updates?
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• 1256[11:19:19] <babilen> I have tried 8.0.1144-1 from buster (visual mode + correct selection buffer behaviour) and 8.0.1226-1 from unstable which behaves similar
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• 1258[11:20:21] <Iridos> buster is the next one… oh dear
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• 1260[11:20:29] <Iridos> I'll try the one from buster… gimme a sec
• 1261[11:20:51] <Iridos> (if it doesn't pull in everyone and their uncle as a dependency)
• 1262[11:21:12] <Iridos> oh, which vim is it, btw… there are different ones
• 1263[11:21:20] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1264[11:21:47] <babilen> Which vim do you use? I tried the one linked against gnome libs .. Could try the gtk one too.
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• 1266[11:22:40] <babilen> Same behaviour with the gtk3 one
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• 1269[11:22:58] <Iridos> hm, weird… update-alternatives says it's vim.nox
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• 1271[11:23:22] <babilen> Try vim.gtk3
• 1272[11:23:38] <babilen> It might well be that the nox variant doesn't do it
• 1273[11:24:19] <Wolve> Here is my problem: replaced-url
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• 1275[11:24:54] <Iridos> hmm yeah
• 1276[11:25:08] <Iridos> but why'd it detect mouse stuff anyway, that's nonsensical
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• 1278[11:25:52] <babilen> Wolve: You'll have to install the -dev variant of the libraries that are missing (gtk,gconf,gnutls,readline,...)
• 1279[11:26:17] <Wolve> babilen: I will try that
• 1280[11:26:19] <babilen> Iridos: So vim.gtk3 works as expected?
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• 1290[11:29:22] <babilen> Wolve: libgtk-3-dev, libreadline-dev, ... no idea about setproctitle
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• 1293[11:31:05] <babilen> Wolve: You would hope that upstream (i.e. wmic developers) provide some information on how to compile/use their software
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• 1295[11:31:27] <babilen> Ah .. it's MS
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• 1298[11:31:55] <Wolve> babilen: I tried some tutorials...they just wanted autoconf to be installed. Well...it didn't work at all.
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• 1300[11:32:50] <babilen> I mean in the end it boils down to: Install all the development libraries, configure, make .. make install
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• 1302[11:33:35] <babilen> I'd like to note that installing to /usr is typically a very bad idea. I personally prefer to use a tool called "stow" to install to /usr/local/stow/foo-3.1 and then have it set symlinks
• 1303[11:33:39] <babilen> dpkg: stow usage
• 1304[11:33:40] <dpkg> A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>.
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• 1306[11:34:01] <babilen> If you don't do that it just litters all its shite over /usr and might be tricky to remove
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• 1308[11:34:43] <Wolve> i will try it, thanks
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• 1313[11:36:30] <babilen> Good luck .. just run "./configure --prefix=--prefix=/usr/local/stow/wmi-1.3.14" and install missing development (*-dev) packages for libraries it can't find over and over again until it's happy (add any additional options to the configure)
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• 1315[11:36:46] <babilen> you'd have to create /usr/local/stow first for that to work btw
• 1316[11:37:15] <Wolve> okay, thanks :)
• 1317[11:37:17] <babilen> Once it's installed there, just run "stow wmi-1.3.14" in /usr/local/stow and you are done.
• 1318[11:37:26] <babilen> (hopefully)
• 1319[11:37:53] <Iridos> babilen, sorry, there was a phonecall
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• 1321[11:38:15] <babilen> That's okay
• 1322[11:39:11] <Iridos> yeah, it does… it does switch to visual…
• 1323[11:39:46] <Iridos> cool, thanks… I don't think I'd have noticed the -nox thing for a long time if you hadn't said it works differently for you
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• 1332[11:41:48] <babilen> Iridos: The -nox variant also disables a number of other useful features .. but really you should use evil/spacemacs on emacs (a better vim!)
• 1333[11:41:58] <babilen> Not sure about the state of neovim
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• 1335[11:42:10] <Iridos> evil? Sounds evil.
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• 1337[11:42:31] <Wolve> babilen: ./configure is not possible it is a GNUMakefile and there is no configure in the wmic folder...
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• 1339[11:43:03] <Iridos> don't see evil/spacemacs or similar in the repos
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• 1345[11:44:31] <babilen> Wolve: Sorry, didn't check .. just replace "./configure" with whatever is appropriate for that software
• 1346[11:44:49] <Iridos> uh, what… it did put stuff in the paste buffer… and now it stopped doing that again
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• 1348[11:45:20] <babilen> Iridos: replaced-url
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• 1354[11:45:57] <babilen> evil is an emacs package (like vim plugins/scripts) and spacemacs is a set of dot files based on evil
• 1355[11:45:58] * rant thinks . o O ( spacemacs? Luke, I am your editorfather )
• 1356[11:46:05] <Wolve> There are just 2 files and two folders in the archive. GNUmakefile, pyinclude.py and the folders: pysamba and Samba
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• 1358[11:46:22] <Iridos> pfft, emacs
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• 1360[11:46:42] <Iridos> emacs is much too much
• 1361[11:46:43] <babilen> Iridos: Give it a try .. I found the "vim" experience to be much better
• 1362[11:47:03] <babilen> Anyway .. enough preaching ;)
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• 1364[11:48:53] <Iridos> anyway, vim.gtk3 seems to still not put things into the selection buffer… I thought it did, but I was mistaken
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• 1367[11:49:51] <Wolve> :(
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• 1376[11:52:42] <Iridos> woah, that's really annoying
• 1377[11:52:50] <Iridos> setting mouse=n prevents me from marking text
• 1378[11:54:56] <l9> upgraded too testing and i lost network, no connection at all... offcourse it was too expect since i deleted my gnome-network-manager, regained networking no problem there. But still i can't complete apt dist-upgrade, how do i hold a package from breaking the dist-upgrade? no browser :o
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• 1380[11:56:09] <l9> both firefox and chrome broke during this upgrad
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• 1389[12:01:18] <babilen> l9: Try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and provide a paste that details how they broke
• 1390[12:01:34] <babilen> Also make sure you have unstable in your sources.list
• 1391[12:01:36] <babilen> dpkg: tum
• 1392[12:01:37] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
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• 1409[12:06:42] <l9> uhmmmm seems like this is deeper than i thought.... I LOST IPV4 !!!!!!!
• 1410[12:06:44] <dff> Hi, i wanted to disable my lan and wlan nics and found a guide that said to add sudo ifconfig *interface down to /etc/rc.local/
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• 1413[12:06:54] <dff> that didnt seem like the best solution
• 1414[12:07:06] <dff> i dont want the NICs to be loaded at all
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• 1420[12:10:54] <babilen> dff: Just remove the "auto" bit from /etc/network/interfaces and ensure network manager isn't running/installed
• 1421[12:11:01] <Wolve> I have a little and easy to answer question: Is it possible to tell a deb file to use a newer library instead of asking of a library that is not available anymore?
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• 1423[12:11:36] <dff> babilen, how do I ensure that network manager isnt installed?
• 1424[12:11:44] <babilen> Wolve: No, it is linked against the older one .. in order to tell it to use a newer/older one you'd have to recompile
• 1425[12:11:53] <babilen> dff: Removing it would be one way
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• 1427[12:13:04] <Wolve> And how do I install the older version of libgnutls26?
• 1428[12:13:25] <Iridos> oh… you have to set mouse=
• 1429[12:13:32] <Iridos> mouse=n is evil
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• 1442[12:17:19] <babilen> Wolve: That library is super old and only in wheezy (oldoldstable)
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• 1445[12:17:49] <vinise> hi all :) i have a litle problems with debian servers (not sure its a debian problem but you might help me to spot the problem. I have a vSphere cluster behind a Firewall with a LAN and a DMZ zone. A unix VM on LAN work perfectly but on my DMZ i have a very strange behavior dig test is quick (24ms) ping ip is immediate BUT ping to a domain freez up to 10 sec before having answer... once started
• 1446[12:17:49] <vinise> no packet lost or in error... same behavior with any service using dns... resulting in time out in aproximatly every thing i do :( any help or idea are welcome :)
• 1447[12:18:09] <Wolve> The problem here is, that wmiclient wants it...and since the client hasn't been updated since 2013 I need to find a workaround...but how?
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• 1450[12:20:20] <koollman> vinise: time host somedomain; time getent hosts somedomain; is one of these very slow?
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• 1453[12:22:59] <vinise> real 0m0.120s / real 0m0.018s
• 1454[12:23:12] <vinise> koollman seems not :/
• 1455[12:23:26] <vinise> (all test made to google.com)
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• 1460[12:27:28] <l9> babilen: what if network dosent come up if you have auto eth0 dhcp in etc/network/interfaces
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• 1468[12:31:19] <l9> replaced-url
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• 1470[12:31:30] <l9> no dhcp
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• 1477[12:34:42] <babilen> l9: You are missing "inet" on line 9
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• 1483[12:38:53] <l9> babilen: yes, found it, changed it and now it takes 5.2sek too reboot hopefully that is only needed once
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• 1499[12:47:34] <l9> 5.2 minutes too reboot thank god that is not something i do evry day
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• 1531[13:06:21] <Iridos> dpkg, 70-persistent-net
• 1532[13:06:22] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, Iridos
• 1533[13:06:36] <FinalX> heh
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• 1535[13:07:35] <Iridos> dpkg, 70
• 1536[13:07:35] <dpkg> This is outdated, for Stretch see replaced-url
• 1537[13:07:38] <FinalX> Iridos: what are you looking for? if you wanna regenerate it, /sbin/udevadm trigger --type=devices --action=add
• 1538[13:07:40] <jaggz> what patches fixed the WPA Krack vulnerability?
• 1539[13:07:40] <FinalX> ah
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• 1543[13:08:22] <Iridos> hm, I guess I just remove stuff from "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules" and reboot?
• 1544[13:08:33] <FinalX> what do you want to achieve?
• 1545[13:08:46] <kopper> jaggz: wpa_supplicant
• 1546[13:09:15] <FinalX> Iridos: if you want the old device names like eth0 etc, add 'net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0' to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and run update-grub
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• 1548[13:09:34] <kopper> wpasupplicant*
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• 1550[13:09:48] <Iridos> well… first networking and now knockd didn't start because for some reasons my network card became eth1 from eth0… and I do have two entries in the 70-persistent file
• 1551[13:10:05] <Iridos> or I can just change that to make the net eth0 again
• 1552[13:10:07] <FinalX> you can just edit the file and swap them in there
• 1553[13:10:34] <FinalX> then reboot after, I guess, not sure if you can apply it on the fly with udevadm.. maybe you can
• 1554[13:10:44] <jaggz> kopper, hrm.. I'm not seeing which version fixes it. I'm at the latest for stable, 2.4-1
• 1555[13:10:47] <Iridos> yeah, I know… I just thought I might try to switch to the new and weird eno naming when I'm at fixing up stuff after the upgrade…
• 1556[13:10:55] <jaggz> one page points out 2.6 is vulnerable though
• 1557[13:10:58] <kopper> deb9u1
• 1558[13:11:01] <Iridos> don't think so…
• 1559[13:11:11] <Iridos> think that really needs a reboot
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• 1561[13:11:50] <Nawab> ,v qutebrowser
• 1562[13:11:51] <judd> No package named 'qutebrowser' was found in amd64.
• 1563[13:12:29] <kopper> jaggz: replaced-url
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• 1567[13:13:04] <jaggz> kopper, just was reading that. thanks :)
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• 1569[13:13:14] <Iridos> FinalX, I *have* the old names … maybe because I still have an /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
• 1570[13:13:19] <Wolve> dpkg wmiclient
• 1571[13:13:19] <dpkg> Wolve: bugger all, i dunno
• 1572[13:13:27] <jaggz> how can I see WHEN a package was updated?
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• 1574[13:13:35] <Wolve> dpkg wmic
• 1575[13:13:35] <dpkg> Wolve: I don't know, could you explain it?
• 1576[13:13:41] <Iridos> hm, I'll reboot with 70-persistent-net.rules commented out and see what happens
• 1577[13:13:48] <Iridos> meh, reboot :(
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• 1579[13:13:53] <kopper> jaggz: /var/log/apt/history
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• 1583[13:14:30] <jaggz> kopper, great. not updated until I just manually did the update.. oops.
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• 1587[13:15:02] <kopper> Better now than later :)
• 1588[13:15:05] <jaggz> how do I restart wpasupplicant?
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• 1590[13:16:16] <jaggz> looks like it's running on its own (child of init)
• 1591[13:16:19] <kopper> Can't you just restart networking?
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• 1593[13:17:05] <jaggz> that didn't restart it.. same pid
• 1594[13:18:55] <kopper> I don't think that it needs to be manually restarted though, if you update a package with apt applying changes to running processes should be part of the update process.
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• 1596[13:20:07] <kopper> Some may involve restarting the service/daemon but that too should be handled without user interference
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• 1600[13:21:29] <RedSoxFan07> kopper: Are you in France?
• 1601[13:21:51] <kopper> How so
• 1602[13:21:57] <jaggz> kopper, init.d/network-manager in my case
• 1603[13:22:12] <kopper> RedSoxFan07: And no
• 1604[13:22:16] <RedSoxFan07> kopper: That's where my IRC client says you are.
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• 1606[13:22:23] <jaggz> at least, that brings wpa_supplicant back up after I killed it
• 1607[13:22:31] <jaggz> I coulda looked at uptime I guess.. oops :)
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• 1609[13:22:59] <jaggz> kopper, some rerun, I think some don't?
• 1610[13:23:43] <kopper> RedSoxFan07: Ok
• 1611[13:24:13] <uptime> RedSoxFan07: presumably they just connect to chat.freenode.net which doesn't do anything fancy but round-robin
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• 1613[13:24:31] <jaggz> my router's last update was 2013
• 1614[13:24:49] <RedSoxFan07> kopper: uptime: okay
• 1615[13:25:06] <RedSoxFan07> kopper: What time is it where you are?
• 1616[13:25:30] <jaggz> uptime, they don't try to pick a geolocal server?
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• 1619[13:25:39] <kopper> Why all the OSINT
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• 1622[13:25:46] <uptime> jaggz: nah
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• 1624[13:26:29] <RedSoxFan07> kopper: What's OSINT?
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• 1627[13:27:20] <RedSoxFan07> kopper: open source intelligence? Interesting.
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• 1638[13:32:37] <kopper> RedSoxFan07: it's 14.30
• 1639[13:32:48] <kopper> And Finland if you're interested
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• 1641[13:33:59] <RedSoxFan07> kopper: cool. It's 8:21 where I am.
• 1642[13:34:07] <xand> both your clocks are wrong.
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• 1644[13:34:31] <RedSoxFan07> xand: what time is it where you are?
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• 1646[13:34:51] <xand> 12:34
• 1647[13:35:03] <kopper> xand: Thought that the precision was just fine for the question
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• 1651[13:36:43] <RedSoxFan07> xand: Ah.
• 1652[13:37:03] <RedSoxFan07> xand: Where are you?
• 1653[13:37:56] <xand> uk
• 1654[13:38:38] <RedSoxFan07> xand: cool. Say hi to The Doctor when you see him. Well, if he's the 11th.
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• 1672[13:50:09] <Rembo> hello everyone, i have a debian with raid10 on it , one of my drives has broken, how can i add another disk on raid? many thanks
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• 1676[13:51:13] <SwedeMike> Rembo: what kind of raid10? md based?
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• 1693[13:56:15] <metastable> Rembo: Assuming mdadm: Generally, the process is to remove the failed device from the array, connect the new disk, properly partition it (using one of the good disks as a template), and add the new partition to the array.
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• 1706[14:04:30] <DeeJayTwo> hi
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• 1714[14:07:25] <dracc_> It seems thunar has stopped line breaking on "_"-chars. Anyone here know what that's all about?
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• 1724[14:09:16] <dracc_> Oh, googled now. Seems to be pango-related.
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• 1754[14:24:54] <anonnumberanon> So I broke my OS (stretch) by installing wrong display drivers. I'm wondering if I need to reinstall or if I can reverse the changes that I made? By maybe chrooting into the OS, finding the history of package changes and reversing them?
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• 1757[14:25:38] <gpunk> yes
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• 1760[14:26:06] <gpunk> or boot in texte mode ..simply
• 1761[14:26:33] <anonnumberanon> right
• 1762[14:26:36] <dracc_> anonnumberanon, Yes, that ought to work. :)
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• 1764[14:27:28] <anonnumberanon> okay. I'll reboot now and try the advanced options in grub to boot in text mode, then I'll look for the package changes and try to revert from there.
• 1765[14:27:32] <anonnumberanon> Good plan?
• 1766[14:27:46] <anonnumberanon> I don't know where to look yet for package changes.
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• 1777[14:32:35] <maxzor> Hi, Is remot3.it ok with stretch?
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• 1783[14:33:09] <maxzor> I used it on a raspberry pi to access VNC via WAN.
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• 1812[14:48:29] <gpunk> anonnumberanon go in /var/log/apt
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• 1867[15:20:30] <Rico> hi there
• 1868[15:21:01] <mutante> sup, Two-Nine
• 1869[15:21:31] <Rico> I have a problem with debian 9 which does not want to bring my "eno1" interfaces up, systemctl saying "ifup : unknown interface eno1"
• 1870[15:21:52] <Rico> can anyone help me with that pelase ?
• 1871[15:21:54] <metastable> Rico: is eno1 defined in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 1872[15:22:07] <Rico> metastable: yes of course
• 1873[15:22:21] <Rico> metastable: it's part of a bond
• 1874[15:22:32] <metastable> Rico: Pastebin the contents of that file, and the output from 'ip a'.
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• 1878[15:25:17] <Rico> metastable: will be hard, just have remote access via DRAC console
• 1879[15:25:44] <Rico> metastable: will pastebin a jpeg
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• 1881[15:25:56] <metastable> As long as I can see the output, that's fine.
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• 1891[15:32:13] <Rico> metastable: replaced-url
• 1892[15:32:38] <Rico> metastable: replaced-url
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• 1894[15:34:15] <metastable> Okay, it doesn't look like you've actually defined eno1, you've just said 'allow hotplug.' That's unnecessary, as you've made it a slave device.
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• 1898[15:34:51] <metastable> Second, due to the changes that Proxmox makes to the OS, you might want to ask in ##proxmox I think.
• 1899[15:34:53] <metastable> !proxmox
• 1900[15:34:53] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 1901[15:35:02] <anonnumberanon> gpunk, i went into recovery mode and when i was doing apt-get remove it told me that it couldn't because i have no internet connection
• 1902[15:35:04] <metastable> Yeah, ##proxmox.
• 1903[15:35:29] <Rico> metastable: proxmox is not installed yet
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• 1905[15:35:34] <Rico> it's pure debian for now
• 1906[15:35:38] <metastable> Rico: Ah, okay.
• 1907[15:35:51] <metastable> Rico: Is this jessie or stretch?
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• 1909[15:36:01] <Rico> stretch
• 1910[15:36:02] <gpunk> anonnumberanon try systemctl start networking ...
• 1911[15:36:05] <Rico> up to date
• 1912[15:36:25] <metastable> Rico: Okay, so your bond config is a bit wonky.
• 1913[15:36:35] <anonnumberanon> gpunk, k logging off here, brb, gonna do that
• 1914[15:36:38] <Rico> metastable: mmh, changes since deb8 ?
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• 1918[15:37:56] <metastable> Rico: replaced-url
• 1919[15:38:02] <metastable> Rico: It's quite a bit more simple, now.
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• 1922[15:39:47] <Rico> metastable: just changed "slaves" to "bond-slaves"
• 1923[15:39:49] <Rico> rebooting...
• 1924[15:39:54] <anonnumberanon> gpunk, that does not work
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• 1926[15:40:03] <Rico> I guess other params are not mandatory
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• 1928[15:40:20] <gpunk> or something similar to bring up networking
• 1929[15:40:33] <Rico> I don"t want any ip address on this bond, si I'm keeping the "manual"
• 1930[15:40:33] <gpunk> like if ... up
• 1931[15:40:42] <metastable> Rico: Also, the 'auto' keyword only applies to physical devices.
• 1932[15:40:51] <Rico> ok
• 1933[15:41:16] <Rico> metastable: so my bond0 should come up and pring its slaves interfaces up
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• 1935[15:42:01] <metastable> Rico: I THINK so.
• 1936[15:42:19] <Rico> metastable: reboot done, en1 en2 and bond0 are still in DOWN state
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• 1939[15:42:52] <Rico> systemctl status networking dons not show any error
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• 1942[15:43:40] <Rico> weird...
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• 1944[15:44:22] <Rico> metastable: installing ifenslave package (.....)
• 1945[15:44:31] <metastable> Yeah, that'd do it. :D
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• 1947[15:44:53] <metastable> Rico: Also, remove any auto/allow-* lines that don't refer to a physical interface, or refer to a physical interface that is a slave to something else.
• 1948[15:45:11] <Rico> ok
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• 1950[15:45:26] <anonnumberanon> gpunk
• 1951[15:45:28] <anonnumberanon> nah man
• 1952[15:45:32] <anonnumberanon> i give up
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• 1955[15:46:02] <metastable> Rico: For the VLAN interfaces, I'd add 'post-up ip link set bond0.[vlanid] up' to the bond0 stanza itself.
• 1956[15:46:10] <gpunk> as you want man
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• 1958[15:47:02] <metastable> Rico: That may not be necessary, depending on how things go.
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• 1961[15:47:21] <gpunk> systemctl restart networking.service
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• 1965[15:49:41] <Rico> metastable: rebooting...
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• 1974[15:52:35] <Rico> metastable: seems to work better with ifenslave :)
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• 1976[15:53:43] <metastable> Rico: I've got something written up for you that should be optimal.
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• 1981[15:56:33] <Rico> thanks
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• 1990[16:01:19] <klys> so, I was unsuccessful last night at getting a script to run at boot time under systemd.
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• 1994[16:02:40] <klys> the last thing I tried was systemctl enable on a simple file in /etc/systemd/system pointing to my script.
• 1995[16:03:01] <metastable> klys: "pointing to" in what way?
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• 1999[16:03:48] <klys> metastable: ExecStart=/etc/init.d/gpu
• 2000[16:03:58] <metastable> klys: Is that the entirety of the file?
• 2001[16:04:20] <klys> metastable, what would you like in my first paste?
• 2002[16:04:37] <metastable> klys: The contents of the script in one, and the contents of the systemd service file in the other.
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• 2012[16:05:58] <metastable> You can put 'em in one, just make sure to show me where one ends and the other begins. :P
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• 2017[16:07:44] <klys> replaced-url
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• 2022[16:09:50] <metastable> klys: Try adding 'Type=oneshot' in the [Service] section.
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• 2024[16:10:10] <metastable> klys: As your script doesn't stay running, systemd will assume that it's failed when it exits.
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• 2026[16:10:32] <metastable> klys: oneshot scripts just run once and exit, and systemd understands that that's expected behavior.
• 2027[16:11:00] <metastable> klys: Oh, also add 'RemainAfterExit=yes' to the same section.
• 2028[16:11:06] <klys> metastable, as the module isn't loaded at boot, do you expect that it is already running or not?
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• 2030[16:11:35] <metastable> klys: What?
• 2031[16:12:06] <klys> metastable, I'll go ahead with your changes and let you know
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• 2033[16:12:34] <metastable> klys: Also, per the manpage...
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• 2035[16:12:50] <metastable> klys: Add 'DefaultDependencies=no' to the [Unit] section.
• 2036[16:13:06] <metastable> klys: replaced-url
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• 2043[16:16:22] <klys> metastable, fail 1, fail 2.
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• 2045[16:16:52] <metastable> I'm not sure what that means.
• 2046[16:16:54] <klys> metastable, the script is not running at all.
• 2047[16:17:05] <metastable> klys: Is the script executable?
• 2048[16:17:27] <klys> 755 permissions on /etc/init.d/gpu
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• 2050[16:17:56] <metastable> klys: journalctl -u [whatever you named your systemd service]
• 2051[16:17:57] <klys> 644 perms on /etc/systemd/system/gpu.service
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• 2057[16:20:24] <klys> replaced-url
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• 2060[16:23:24] <metastable> systemctl status gpu.service ?
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• 2062[16:23:27] <klys> this clears up everything: replaced-url
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• 2068[16:26:17] <klys> no it doesn't clear up anything. it seems journalctl ran my script.
• 2069[16:26:45] <metastable> journalctl doesn't run anything.
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• 2071[16:27:29] <klys> my script ran late though
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• 2073[16:28:50] <klys> replaced-url
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• 2075[16:29:15] <oct2pus> clear
• 2076[16:29:18] <oct2pus> afjdhg
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• 2078[16:30:00] <klys> metastable, that's because the script pauses, right?
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• 2090[16:35:08] <metastable> klys: It's your script, I can only imagine. :P
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• 2092[16:35:58] <klys> well I removed the pause, and it runs later on in the boot process.
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• 2096[16:38:10] <klys> how can I get it executed first thing?
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• 2099[16:40:50] <klys> specifically, it needs to be run before udev.
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• 2103[16:43:17] <metastable> klys: udev starts before sysinit.target does, so that's not going to work.
• 2104[16:44:30] <klys> metastable, find /etc/systemd | grep udev returns no results. can I even mention udev?
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• 2106[16:44:34] <sn0wmonster> whats the proper way in debian to append a single line of text to the end of a file?
• 2107[16:44:39] <metastable> klys: I'm looking into that, hold on.
• 2108[16:45:06] <klys> thx
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• 2111[16:45:46] <metastable> klys: pastebin your current gpu.service file for me.
• 2112[16:45:59] <klys> sn0wmonster, does said file end in a newline? if so, echo "text" >> /path/to/file
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• 2116[16:46:12] <sn0wmonster> klys, ty
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• 2119[16:46:46] <metastable> !it
• 2120[16:46:47] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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• 2126[16:48:11] <klys> replaced-url
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• 2134[16:51:39] <metastable> klys: Replace your entire file with this. replaced-url
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• 2136[16:51:55] <metastable> klys: systemd disable gpu.service first, then enable it again afterward.
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• 2142[16:53:05] <metastable> klys: The 'install' step may not work, since it's not designed to run as part of a target.
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• 2149[16:55:21] <klys> metastable, yeah that install step didn't, replaced-url
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• 2151[16:55:32] <klys> rebooting...
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• 2153[16:56:14] <metastable> klys: You should probably remove all of the LSB headers and such from that script, by the way.
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• 2155[16:56:51] <metastable> That -might- be messing with what you want this script to do.
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• 2158[16:57:46] <klys> metastable, it ran, my modules are in 7th place in lsmod
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• 2160[16:57:58] <metastable> klys: Did that do what you needed?
• 2161[16:58:27] <klys> which is what I should expect since the earlier ones are loaded from initrd
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• 2163[16:58:34] <klys> metastable, yes, thanks!
• 2164[16:58:45] <metastable> klys: Again, remove the LSB stuff from the start of that script.
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• 2166[16:58:50] <klys> k
• 2167[16:58:57] <metastable> klys: It's unneeded, and it'll muck with things in weird ways. Glad I could help.
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• 2169[16:59:46] <metastable> I'm weirdly helpful today.
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• 2171[17:00:29] <klys> yeah, how did you become so familiar with systemd? are you interested in a related project?
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• 2175[17:01:30] <metastable> I know how to write systemd unit files, and I had the related manpages pulled up in the background.
• 2176[17:01:46] <klys> thanks again
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• 2186[17:05:22] <anddam> can I get last character of a string in dash?
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• 2201[17:12:36] <walnut_burl> anddam: sed 's/.*\(.$\)/\1/'
• 2202[17:12:42] <walnut_burl> anddam: does that work
• 2203[17:13:04] <n4dir> the web proposes: echo $string | rev | cut -c 1
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• 2224[17:21:46] <metastable> echo $string | tail -c 1
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• 2226[17:22:21] <metastable> Which I believe returns the newline. Add -n to echo.
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• 2232[17:23:04] <n4dir> metastable: the web said that too, but using dash it fails
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• 2234[17:23:09] <n4dir> for me.
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• 2236[17:23:11] <metastable> I just tested it in dash.
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• 2238[17:23:23] <walnut_burl> Thats the best. Clean and readable.
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• 2240[17:23:50] <n4dir> "tail: cannot open '1' for reading: No such file or directory
• 2241[17:23:50] <n4dir> "
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• 2243[17:24:20] <metastable> "echo -n 'blorp' | tail -c 1" returns a "p".
• 2244[17:24:31] <metastable> If you're getting that error, you're doing something wrong.
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• 2247[17:25:03] <n4dir> i did copy and paste from the web, and copy and paste for the command you gave above
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• 2252[17:25:35] <metastable> I just tested this repeatedly in dash. It works. I can't answer for why your copy and paste isn't working.
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• 2254[17:26:04] <n4dir> yeah, doesn't matter, i guess. if it works in dash, than that version is way easier
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• 2259[17:30:05] <Rembo> how can i clone a entier hard drive with bad sectors to another one using ddrescue?
• 2260[17:30:06] <n4dir> if i use --bytes instead of -c it works, btw.
• 2261[17:30:27] <metastable> n4dir: Be careful with --bytes. That may not be portable across languages/encodings.
• 2262[17:31:11] <n4dir> for the fun i am trying to figure out why it doesn't work for me. I doubt i will ever be in the need to use it.
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• 2264[17:31:32] <metastable> Rembo: ddrescue -v [source device] [target device]
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• 2266[17:32:03] <metastable> The target device must be the same size or larger than the source.
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• 2276[17:36:35] <metastable> Rembo: I'm assuming that the dying disk is not the disk you're booted off of.
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• 2338[18:00:57] <anonnumberanon> I broke my Debian system. Then i reinstalled it by showing it the root, home and swap partitions and it worked. I made it format the root partition and set it to be used, made it not format the home partition and set it to mount as /home, and that was it.
• 2339[18:01:35] <anonnumberanon> *made it to mount the root partition as the root partition
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• 2342[18:02:23] <anonnumberanon> will try to install Bumblebee again when I have time to waste but more importantly when I can backup my entire linux filestystem.
• 2343[18:02:46] <anonnumberanon> but so far with Debian testing, Bumblebee does NOT work
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• 2360[18:09:16] <Iridos> dpkg, bumblebee
• 2361[18:09:17] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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• 2381[18:18:00] <jhutchins> anonnumberanon: Just a reminder, there is a greater concentration of testing knowledge at #debian-next on oftc.net
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• 2393[18:24:12] <hnv> How are simple mathematical functions like f(x) = 1/x being plotted with matplotlib?
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• 2405[18:30:18] <rawruw> when will debian move to wayland?
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• 2413[18:38:21] <Iridos> dpkg, weston
• 2414[18:38:21] <dpkg> Weston is the reference implementation of a <wayland> compositor (display server), developed by the Wayland project. Available since Debian 8 "Jessie" although very much a work-in-progress. replaced-url
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• 2478[19:00:37] <Rembo> after i copy entire drive with ddrescue can i replace it on a raid matrice?
• 2479[19:00:51] <anonnumberanon> jhutchins, thanks
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• 2481[19:01:03] <anonnumberanon> I stayed on stable for this install. I'm spooked now.
• 2482[19:01:29] <anonnumberanon> jhutchins, the channel is invite only though I can't join it
• 2483[19:01:46] <Rembo> i cloned entire drive using ddrescue, does my raid10 see my new cloned drive?
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• 2489[19:02:56] <Spida> how do I tell systemd to mount filesystems in a specific order?
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• 2491[19:03:12] <anonnumberanon> jhutchins, nvm I thought this was Freenode, but it's oftc.net
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• 2496[19:04:33] <dTal> but this is freenode
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• 2498[19:05:21] <anonnumberanon> dTal, by the word this I was referring to the network that jhutchins was referring to.
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• 2515[19:11:27] <metastable> Rembo: Why would you clone a RAID10 member disk?
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• 2523[19:14:47] <Rembo> metastable , one drive has phisical errors and another one was rebuilding
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• 2525[19:15:30] <Rembo> metastable , i plan to cloned the baddrive and replace it with another one
• 2526[19:16:21] <Rembo> do i need to add the cloned drive or it will automaticaly add it to md raid?
• 2527[19:16:44] <metastable> Rembo: Again, why would you clone the disk at all?
• 2528[19:17:45] <metastable> Rembo: Just replace the bad disk, and RAID will do its job.
• 2529[19:17:59] <anonnumberanon> dpkg, virtualbox
• 2530[19:17:59] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see replaced-url
• 2531[19:19:33] <dff> almost free?
• 2532[19:19:57] <`Kevin> Rembo: are you saying in a mirror you have 1 drive rebuilding and 1 with bad sectors?
• 2533[19:20:27] <Rembo> `Kevin , yes , correct!
• 2534[19:20:30] <anonnumberanon> man virtualbox is not in the repo of debian 9
• 2535[19:20:33] <anonnumberanon> that' sweird
• 2536[19:20:35] <anonnumberanon> why?
• 2537[19:20:36] <RoyK> dff: almost free as in you don't pay for it, but it's not free as in speech
• 2538[19:20:50] <`Kevin> Rembo: is this preventing the other drive from completing the rebuild?
• 2539[19:20:51] <RoyK> better use kvm
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• 2541[19:21:12] <Rembo> `Kevin, yes
• 2542[19:21:14] <anonnumberanon> RoyK, you say kvm is another one?
• 2543[19:21:15] <dff> royk, sorry i dont under stand that statement
• 2544[19:21:26] <anonnumberanon> I should use that one? It's good like virtualbox?
• 2545[19:21:26] <dff> i downloaded it and didnt have to pay
• 2546[19:21:29] <annadane> virtualbox is in stretch backports IIRC
• 2547[19:21:31] <dff> seems free to my
• 2548[19:21:33] <annadane> ,v virtualbox
• 2549[19:21:34] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.0-dfsg-2; sid/contrib:
• 2550[19:21:35] <judd> 5.2.0-dfsg-2
• 2551[19:21:39] <anonnumberanon> annadane, yeah it is
• 2552[19:21:45] <dff> me*
• 2553[19:21:57] <annadane> so yes, if you need it you can backport it; i use virt-manager, which is entirely free and in stretch
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• 2555[19:22:13] <anonnumberanon> but backports is synonymous with system-killing in my memory, maybe it has changed?
• 2556[19:22:16] <RoyK> anonnumberanon: kvm is the virtual machine that comes with linux - it just works
• 2557[19:22:25] <dff> or do you mean not free and is in not open source?
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• 2559[19:22:40] <Rembo> `Kevin, i'm using debian with raid10
• 2560[19:22:45] <RoyK> virtualbox from oracle isn't completely open source
• 2561[19:22:51] <anonnumberanon> RoyK, cool. cause I want to install a Ubuntu vm in my debian so i dont take risks breaking my debian
• 2562[19:23:02] <RoyK> the one in the repos is free, though
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• 2567[19:23:39] <RoyK> anonnumberanon: virtualbox may be easier to use if you want a fast GUI, though, but for server stuff, just use kvm and virt-manager
• 2568[19:23:46] <ZitZ> is there an easier way to do what i'm tring to acheive ssl > nginx > privoxy > socks > privatevpn. trying to create a secure proxy i can connect to on the road, that's easier than direct vpn setup
• 2569[19:24:22] <anonnumberanon> RoyK, no not server stuff.
• 2570[19:24:23] <RoyK> ZitZ: ssh -D ?
• 2571[19:24:50] <RoyK> anonnumberanon: then perhaps vbox is easier - I'm mostly into server stuf
• 2572[19:24:54] <anonnumberanon> RoyK, i want to test personal assistants like mycroft, jasper
• 2573[19:24:59] <ZitZ> RoyK: i can use that on my LAN, but when i'm on the road, i don't think the connection to the ssh -d itself is protected by SSL
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• 2575[19:25:08] <ZitZ> hence the layers
• 2576[19:25:12] <ivan> virtualbox is great if you want to suffer "why is virtualbox failing to boot up my machine sometimes" and "what's up with random guest hangs"
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• 2579[19:25:41] <`Kevin> Rembo: ive never had to deal with that but I believe mdam has a force option to skip read errors, regardless it sounds like you are in failed state no matter what you do since technically im guessing you have 2 faulty drives that were in a mirror
• 2580[19:25:46] <RoyK> ZitZ: erm - ssh -D (not -d) makes a tunnel over which you transfer the data, and that tunnel is encrypted
• 2581[19:26:03] <metastable> Rembo: Cloning the disk with the bad sectors is NOT going to end up well for you, I promise.
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• 2584[19:26:42] <`Kevin> Rembo: im guessing you want to go along that route and then go offline to run a fsck making sure the data being skipped doesn't corrupt things further
• 2585[19:26:46] <ZitZ> RoyK: it's encrypted on the way there too, and onto wherever it forwards to?
• 2586[19:26:56] <`Kevin> Rembo: after that replace the busted drive
• 2587[19:26:57] <metastable> Rembo: Either those sectors are the only good copy and you're screwed anyway, or they're not, and yanking the disk with the bad sectors to simply replace it is a better option.
• 2588[19:27:07] <RoyK> ZitZ: otherwise, just setup squid or something and ssh -L 3128:localhost:3128 user@host and set your browser to use localhost:3128 as the proxy
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• 2591[19:28:13] <`Kevin> metastable: he cannot pull the disk with bad sectors since the rebuild is currently sourcing it
• 2592[19:28:22] <`Kevin> after yes i agree
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• 2595[19:28:56] <metastable> `Kevin: It's a RAID10. Either there's another source for those bad sectors, or there's not. What he's doing is NOT going to help.
• 2596[19:29:51] <metastable> If anything, your cloned disk will be worse off than the original.
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• 2598[19:30:02] <Rembo> `Kevin, metastable the strange thing is the bad drive is still on the array , when i try to add the good drive/partition to array it stops at 7%
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• 2601[19:30:34] <dsoo> he
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• 2606[19:31:19] <Rembo> how can i force rebuilding skiping the bad sectors?
• 2607[19:31:41] <metastable> Rembo: To be clear about expectations here, the rebuilt disk is going to be missing data or otherwise corrupt.
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• 2612[19:32:41] <zebu> Hi ! In Debian 9, there is a package/tool so we can use the desktop theme at login. But I can't remember its name. Any Idea ? Thx ;)
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• 2614[19:32:54] <metastable> Rembo: You're not going to get a viable array in your present situation. I hope you have backups.
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• 2616[19:33:35] <annadane> zebu, depends on your DE/WM. there's usually a config file for the splash screen
• 2617[19:33:43] <annadane> zebu, it helps us if you tell us what you're using
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• 2619[19:34:15] <Rembo> so if i force and finish rebuilding and if i replace the other drive it will work?
• 2620[19:35:24] <zebu> annadane: Woops. I use MATE desktop. Caja as window manager. + Lightdm.
• 2621[19:36:01] <metastable> Rembo: No. A RAID10 has two copies of any given piece of data. You're in the position where neither opy is viable.
• 2622[19:36:25] <metastable> Rembo: One disk is rebuilding, the other has bad sectors. You're losing data one way or another.
• 2623[19:36:28] <Rembo> metastable, is there any way rebuilding process to go retrying or lowlevel reading?
• 2624[19:36:56] <metastable> Rembo: It already is, that's why the rebuild is taking so long.
• 2625[19:37:09] <metastable> Rembo: As I said, I hope you have backups.
• 2626[19:37:44] <Rembo> metastable, oh , i don't think i have backups :(
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• 2628[19:38:14] <metastable> Rembo: Then I suggest that you set about copying whatever data is still accessible off of that array.
• 2629[19:38:27] <Rembo> is there a way to recover the or isolate the bad sectors on the bad drive?
• 2630[19:38:27] <dsoo> hi can you learn me programing
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• 2633[19:39:03] <metastable> Rembo: Professional companies with the proper equipment can do so, but that tends to be an expensive proposition. The process of forcing the rebuild or cloning the disk has probably damaged it further.
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• 2635[19:39:06] <Rembo> metastable, can i boot without a drive?
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• 2638[19:39:40] <metastable> Rembo: No, you can't boot off of a failed array. The current situation that you have is the best that you can work with. I'd start copying important data to an external device.
• 2639[19:39:59] <RoyK> dsoo: try google or youtube
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• 2641[19:40:22] <Rembo> i cannot mount the storage raid so i can copy the data
• 2642[19:40:37] <Rembo> it's an LVM over RAID10
• 2643[19:40:48] <metastable> Rembo: Then I'm afraid you may be out of options to preserve that data.
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• 2646[19:41:37] <RoyK> Rembo: boot on a live thing
• 2647[19:42:01] <metastable> That might work, as long as you can 'coerce' the system into mounting the filesystems on the array.
• 2648[19:42:06] <mr__tea> Rembo: do you like Rembo&Rembo ?
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• 2650[19:43:46] <rawruw> how do I murder the watchdog? can't kill them
• 2651[19:44:06] <rawruw> four of them running. why are some of them named /x ? watchdog/0, watchdog/1 etc
• 2652[19:44:18] <metastable> rawruw: Why would you do this?
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• 2658[19:45:12] <rawruw> metastable: why not?
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• 2663[19:45:57] <Iridos> because when you kill the first one, the remaining dogs will kill you
• 2664[19:45:58] <metastable> rawruw: Because trying to kill processes you have no idea what they are is stupid unless you have a very good reason.
• 2665[19:46:12] <metastable> rawruw: Given that your response was 'why not?' I assume you don't have a good reason.
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• 2669[19:47:12] <rawruw> metastable: watchdog is a dead mans switch and I've always wanted to cause havoc by killing the "heart beat" that's keeping it from unleashing.
• 2670[19:48:08] <metastable> rawruw: If by havoc you mean "reboot," then sure. Anyway, this isn't really an issue so much as you goofing off, which you should be able to do by searching the internet and reading documentation.
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• 2672[19:49:07] <rawruw> I just read it and coming to IRC was my second choice.
• 2673[19:49:19] <metastable> rawruw: The reason you can't kill them is because they aren't REALLY separate processes, even though ps shows them that way. They're actually kernel threads.
• 2674[19:49:33] <Iridos> funny you'd say that
• 2675[19:49:49] <rawruw> Iridos: ?
• 2676[19:49:58] <metastable> Iridos: Am I mistaken?
• 2677[19:49:59] <Iridos> I just wanted to say that the processes in [] are kernel threads… and then wondered why I knew this…
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• 2679[19:50:11] <Iridos> and tried to find it in the docu and then couldn't find it
• 2680[19:50:16] <metastable> <pedantic mode>
• 2681[19:50:41] <Iridos> I have no idea if you're mistaken… I would have said the same… but shouldn't there be actual documentation saying it somewhere
• 2682[19:50:49] <metastable> ACTUALLY, processes within [] are displayed that way because the command arguments can't be located. Typically, that only happens with kernel threads, but TECHNICALLY, other processes can display that way.
• 2683[19:50:54] <Iridos> yeah
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• 2685[19:51:13] <metastable> Iridos: man ps
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• 2687[19:51:25] <Iridos> I had just read that before speaking
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• 2689[19:51:37] <metastable> Iridos: It has that under 'args' in STANDARD FORMAT SPECIFIERS.
• 2690[19:51:38] <Iridos> and the /proc/pid/exe symlink isn't pointing anywhere
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• 2692[19:51:51] <Iridos> I know… I just read it before I ever said anything here :)
• 2693[19:51:57] <metastable> Oh, gotcha.
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• 2697[19:53:01] <Iridos> and yeah, guess you're right …
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• 2701[19:54:28] <Iridos> well… replaced-url
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• 2710[19:59:55] <rawruw> so watchdog will basically reboot the system when something fails? But here's what I don't get... instead of writing to /dev/watchdog to keep things alive .. why not just reboot the system directly?
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• 2712[20:01:14] <metastable> rawruw: That's entirely backward.
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• 2717[20:01:39] <metastable> rawruw: It writes to the watchdog device to confirm that the system is still responsive. If it CAN'T, or the write times out, then it triggers a restart.
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• 2722[20:03:40] <rawruw> metastable: that's what I meant. The device file is a dead mans switch.
• 2723[20:04:10] <rawruw> but it seems here that the "test itself" is writing to that device file then?
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• 2732[20:10:07] <Iridos> /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-3.16/Documentation/watchdog/watchdog-api.txt.gz or replaced-url
• 2733[20:10:28] <Iridos> seems some user process has to keep writing to the device… if nothing ever did, it's switched off
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• 2860[21:21:26] <rakor> I came from FreeBSD so I don't really know much about systemd etc. But my Stable here seems to hang on bootup just before it starts gdm... Ans after login it hangs again until it starts up gnome. Ok it is a old machine, but its little strange to me.
• 2861[21:22:26] <mtn> rakor: what do you mean by "hangs"?
• 2862[21:22:35] <jhutchins_wk> I hate puppet.
• 2863[21:23:47] <rakor> mtn: It starts up (I see the bootmessages) until it says to start gdm. Then nothing happens for a minute until I see gdm
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• 2865[21:24:21] <mtn> rakor: probably just starting background processes and xorg
• 2866[21:24:35] <mtn> rakor: and old machines might be slow
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• 2869[21:25:21] <rakor> sure, but FreeBSD boots up faster (with rc). I read often, that systemd would be much faster. That just strange to me
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• 2871[21:25:56] <mtn> rakor: do you boot to gdm when you run freebsd?
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• 2873[21:26:12] <rakor> No :) But its just a DM... ?!
• 2874[21:26:30] <mtn> rakor: apples and oranges, then
• 2875[21:27:19] <rakor> Might be. I was just confused. But might be, that the machine is much to slow.
• 2876[21:27:37] <greycat> or you lack the 3d acceleration rubbish that GNOME insists on having
• 2877[21:27:48] <mtn> heh.
• 2878[21:27:54] <mtn> rubbish
• 2879[21:28:00] <greycat> either because you haven't installed the nonfree firmware that your drivers need, or because you need nonfree drivers...
• 2880[21:28:11] <mtn> new fangled things, anyway
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• 2882[21:28:45] <greycat> (or if the card is *quite* old, then because support for it was dropped entirely)
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• 2886[21:31:08] <rakor> How can I find out if I need another driver? It's a Thinkpad T61 with intel graphics
• 2887[21:31:26] <greycat> start with lspci -nn | grep -i vga
• 2888[21:31:56] <greycat> also try sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware
• 2889[21:32:06] <rakor> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) [8086:2a02] (rev 0c)
• 2890[21:32:16] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:2a02
• 2891[21:32:17] <judd> [8086:2a02] is 'Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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• 2894[21:33:46] <rakor> dmesg tells me that the wifi-firmware is loaded (I had to install from non-free).
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• 2896[21:33:57] <rakor> nothing about graphics-firmware
• 2897[21:34:03] <greycat> If there are no errors, that's promising.
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• 2902[21:35:42] <rakor> [ 0.213167] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
• 2903[21:35:43] <rakor> [ 0.261291] acpi PNP0A08:00: [Firmware Info]: MMCONFIG for domain 0000 [bus 00-3f] only partially covers this bridge
• 2904[21:35:51] <greycat> If it were my machine, I would disable gdm3, install a good old fashioned window manager (I prefer fvwm but it's all subjective), put "exec fvwm" in ~/.xsession, and see if startx works better.
• 2905[21:35:58] <rakor> Hmm... can't say what that means
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• 2908[21:36:57] <rakor> ok, maybe it's time for new hardware....
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• 2914[21:38:02] <Trel> With XFCE in Debian, is there any way to make alt+f4 on an empty desktop bring up the logout/reboot/shutdown menu rather than immediately doing a logout?
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• 2917[21:40:17] <rakor> Another question.... Can I only use fulldiskencryption with LVM?
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• 2926[21:44:07] <jhutchins> Trel: That's what it does on my system.
• 2927[21:44:15] <jhutchins> Trel: Brings up the menu.
• 2928[21:45:01] <Trel> That's odd, when I press alt+f4 on my machine (Debian Stretch) with XFCE, it immediately ends the session and brings me back to the greeter.
• 2929[21:45:10] <Trel> (Assuming no windows open)
• 2930[21:46:28] <jhutchins_wk> Closed all my windows, did alt-f4, got the log-out menu.
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• 2936[21:49:15] <Trel> Hmm, how close to default is your setup?
• 2937[21:49:20] <panga> Is enogh copy /etc/passwd, /etc/group & /etc/shadow to clone users and groups from one server to a new environment?
• 2938[21:49:34] <Trel> I'll fire up my laptop once I'm home so I can compare.
• 2939[21:49:56] <jhutchins_wk> Trel: Very much default.
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• 2941[21:50:51] <Trel> Very odd indeed, I'll check back tonight after I'm home and have the machine in front of me. I wonder if what's happening is it's crashing the session or something.
• 2942[21:50:52] <jhutchins_wk> panga: That can be a bit dangerous. It's better to just copy the user portions. How many users are you dealing with?
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• 2944[21:51:39] <jhutchins_wk> Trel: Seems like i might have installed a hotkeys or shortcuts package. The XFCE defaults are pretty disappointing and limited, but I have't bothered to rebuild them,
• 2945[21:51:41] <panga> jhutchins_wk: I though that also.... 50 users
• 2946[21:52:04] <Trel> jhutchins_wk: oh, so something else is grabbing the combo, not xfce in your case?
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• 2949[21:53:07] <jhutchins_wk> No, it's just xfce.
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• 2951[21:53:28] <jhutchins_wk> panga: Actuall users are UID 1000 and above, so you could grep them out.
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• 2954[21:53:38] <greycat> well, awk
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• 2956[21:53:58] <jhutchins_wk> panga: System accounts are usually a specific default ID, so there's not too much risk unless you're migrating across different distros.
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• 2958[21:54:02] <greycat> awk -F: '$3 >= 1000' /etc/passwd
• 2959[21:54:14] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Exactly.
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• 2961[21:55:05] <panga> jhutchins_wk: grep the.... means? search for users?
• 2962[21:55:11] <panga> grep them...*
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• 2965[21:55:20] <greycat> use awk instead of grep for this
• 2966[21:55:37] <panga> got it, thx greycat
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• 2968[21:56:36] <jhutchins_wk> panga: See greycat's suggestion.
• 2969[21:56:53] <jhutchins_wk> I wonder if sort -V would do something useful...
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• 2971[21:57:19] <greycat> you'd still need to chop off everything before 1000
• 2972[21:57:46] <greycat> and -V is overkill for simple integer comparisons in field 3... you could use -n
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• 2974[21:59:14] <greycat> awk -F: '$3 > 500' /etc/passwd | sort -t : -n -k 3,3
• 2975[21:59:26] <panga> replaced-url
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• 2977[21:59:39] <glick> hey is there a way i can control the colors of my laptop to make them warmer?
• 2978[21:59:42] <panga> same result with awk -F: '$3 > 500' /etc/passwd | sort -t : -n -k 3,3
• 2979[21:59:43] <glick> the default is a bit cool
• 2980[21:59:48] <annadane> glick, redshift
• 2981[21:59:54] <glick> redshift?
• 2982[22:00:10] <annadane> apt install redshift
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• 2985[22:00:24] <annadane> or redshift-gtk if you prefer a GUI interface
• 2986[22:00:52] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Perfect.
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• 2988[22:01:22] <greycat> panga: looks like your users are not defined in /etc/passwd, or you don't have any locally defined users at all. Perhaps you are using NIS or LDAP or something.
• 2989[22:01:45] <greycat> or it's not a Debian system, so the UIDs are under 1000
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• 2991[22:02:54] <greycat> what does "id" tell you?
• 2992[22:03:06] <panga> greycat: you got me it is Solaris I could find info what really suits me :(
• 2993[22:03:19] <panga> but your answers are awesome!
• 2994[22:03:39] <panga> the UIDs are under 1000
• 2995[22:03:45] <greycat> Solaris also had a thing called "NIS Plus" which was supposed to be the successor to NIS... but I never learned it
• 2996[22:03:57] <glick> redshift is great thanks!
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• 2998[22:04:06] <panga> I'll thank a look on NIS+
• 2999[22:04:13] <panga> I'll take*
• 3000[22:04:21] <greycat> #solaris exists
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• 3002[22:04:43] <panga> unfortunately #solaris is abandoware now
• 3003[22:04:55] <panga> Oracle fired all the developers
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• 3005[22:05:12] <greycat> still probably a better place to find Solaris users than #debian is
• 3006[22:05:34] <panga> No if I found someone like you :P
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• 3009[22:05:49] <panga> Thank you greycat :)
• 3010[22:05:53] <glick> whooot redshift rocks
• 3011[22:06:07] <glick> now i dont want to smash my face into the laptop screen at night!
• 3012[22:06:13] <annadane> glick, and you can set it to autostart etc
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• 3026[22:09:25] <jhutchins> panga: There are a couple of forks that are being continued, but my eyes tended to glaze over when our Solaris guy started talking about them.
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• 3042[22:19:22] <pseudonymous> I just tried setting caps lock to be an additional Hyper key using the Mate desktop on Debian Stretch (System=>Preferences=>Hardware=>Keyboard, "Layout" tab, "Options", "Caps lock key behaviour"). Sadly, it doesn't take effect. What to do ?
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• 3082[22:50:51] <labelcd7> My Toshiba A75 is crashing during install of Debian 9.2.0 LXDE
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• 3086[22:51:43] <labelcd7> Using regular debian installer, after selecting partition, around 9% through the next part.
• 3087[22:51:53] <labelcd7> Installing from CD.
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• 3091[22:52:51] <labelcd7> Can anybody help?
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• 3094[22:53:58] <mtn> labelcd7: what is the next part? formatting or installing?
• 3095[22:54:07] <labelcd7> installing
• 3096[22:54:28] <mtn> labelcd7: how big is the partition you are installing to?
• 3097[22:54:36] <labelcd7> full disk, around 60 gb
• 3098[22:55:01] <mtn> labelcd7: no seperate partitions, only a / partition?
• 3099[22:55:07] <labelcd7> correct
• 3100[22:55:36] <mtn> labelcd7: I have heard it is best to use the netinstall, rather than a live disk to install debian
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• 3105[22:58:09] <labelcd7> ok, thanks. I guess I will try again with separate partitions
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• 3108[22:58:44] <mtn> labelcd7: you should try the netinstall. didn't say you needed seperate partitions
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• 3124[23:03:53] <imp> hello debian folks. I'm trying to compile CUDA code in Debian 9, but as I could notice Debian 9 doesn't supply gcc-5 packages and libcuda isn't compatible with gcc6. I could not find any repository that bundles gcc-5 to debian stretch, any ideas or hints?
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• 3151[23:18:30] <rawruw> how do I kill systemd? kill -9 1 does nothing
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• 3155[23:19:32] <annadane> rawruw, *why* do you want to kill systemd
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• 3162[23:20:34] <rawruw> annadane: because I hate it and everything it stands for, and I'v got a kill bounty on it
• 3163[23:20:51] <rawruw> annadane: just want to see what happens
• 3164[23:21:06] <annadane> ...maybe you shouldn't do that
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• 3166[23:21:25] <ivan> remove it and reboot :-)
• 3167[23:21:27] <annadane> you *can* run debian without systemd, why don't you try that or use devuan (debian fork without systemd) rather than just killing a process for the fun of it
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• 3176[23:26:40] <rant> you can't just kill the init system its the main system process, you have to replace it with something
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• 3182[23:28:35] <annadane> rawruw, also, if you have a specific reason for hating systemd why don't you tell us about it and we can offer workarounds
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• 3185[23:29:20] <Stereo> Hello
• 3186[23:30:22] <Stereo> After running dist-upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2, my GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub is being ignored.
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• 3201[23:35:57] <Stereo> nevermind, just an undocumented breaking change :/
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