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• 25[00:39:04] <Janos> hi, question, does anyone knows how to switch to the second virtual terminal when installing Debian through a serial console ? It seems to be possible, I see a legend on top of the installer that says "[ (1*installer) 2 shell 3 shell 4- log ][ Apr 12 22:37 ]" so I guess there are 4 "terminals" and the #1 is active, what I can't find anywhere is what keyboard shortcut can be used to change
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• 44[01:02:49] <johnfg> It only returned: i python Depends python2.7 (>= 2.7.16-1~)
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• 47[01:04:24] <johnfg> karlpinc: jelly: Sorry that I was long in getting back. I had a couple of appts. away from the office.
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• 60[01:18:49] <Stonefruit> I'd like to upgrade the hard drive in my laptop to a larger one. currently I have a single LUKS container and several logical volumes inside it. my plan is to dd my old drive onto the new one, then resize the luks volume. is there an easier way?
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• 121[02:57:36] <sioux_> Somebody have problem with oathtool that inside script return one code(wrong), and if run directly on terminal return another code(right) ?
• 122[02:58:45] <abrotman> oauthtool?
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• 127[03:05:49] <kish`> tried gnome, lxde xfce. none seem to fit me
• 128[03:07:30] <abff> kish what are you looking for?
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• 130[03:07:45] <kish`> abff, something appealing
• 131[03:07:46] <sney> try kde plasma for a more integrated and high featured desktop environment, or go the other way and check out one of the super customizeable tiling window managers like i3 or sway
• 132[03:08:10] <abff> awesomewm is great if you like tweaking stuff
• 133[03:08:12] <kish`> sney, I'll look into them. thanks
• 134[03:08:20] <kish`> abff, is it config file tweaking?
• 135[03:08:23] <abff> kde is great if you like windows
• 136[03:08:31] <kish`> I'm used to windows
• 137[03:08:36] <abff> kish you can script everything
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• 140[03:09:22] <kish`> I am not good with scripting.
• 141[03:09:24] <phogg> sioux_: it can't do that unless you invoke it incorrectly
• 142[03:09:29] <kish`> Might be a KDE person
• 143[03:09:38] <abff> i3 and dwm are very -purist- tiling where as awesome is dedicated to being as flexible as possible
• 144[03:10:02] <phogg> abrotman: oathtool is a OTP (typically TOTP) implementation
• 145[03:10:03] <sioux_> it's same command =\
• 146[03:10:04] <abff> kish`: give it a go, I've never had a computer stronk enough for it
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• 148[03:10:33] <kish`> abff, really, what do you have?
• 149[03:10:39] * sney is a kde person since 2013 or so
• 150[03:10:51] <phogg> sioux_: is there anything different about the script environment? Are you running it by hand from the user shell where it works when called directly?
• 151[03:10:58] <abff> kish just old business laptops from 2009
• 152[03:11:26] <kish`> abff, how much ram?
• 153[03:11:32] <abff> maybe I could have been using kde but iirc it was too ram hungry
• 154[03:11:34] <phogg> sney: FYI kwin is also a super-customizable tiling WM, in that kwin can do everything via extensions
• 155[03:11:44] <sney> phogg: it's true, but I don't use it that way
• 156[03:11:57] <phogg> sney: few do! More's the pitty
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• 159[03:12:10] <abff> 4g on both I probably could run it in some smol way disabling all the fancy stuff, but I like dwm just fine
• 160[03:12:42] <kish`> dwm? I'll look into that
• 161[03:12:52] <sney> kde runs best when it can do hardware compositing, which my extremely 2012 laptop has no trouble with, but ymmv depending on hardware
• 162[03:12:52] <sioux_> phogg, yes, and i have two secrets to differents services and for one run normaly (on script)
• 163[03:13:08] <sioux_> *and one run normally...
• 164[03:13:18] <kish`> it's romantic how you guys are hardware poor
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• 166[03:13:34] <abff> kish`: probably won't like dwm, you have to compile it to configure it, like its not -hard- but its effort
• 167[03:13:45] <abff> pfft, I am a recycler from birth
• 168[03:14:06] <kish`> i like it
• 169[03:14:07] <abff> I see it as an abhorent waste of natural resources to waste good technology
• 170[03:14:11] <kish`> makes me like linux even more
• 171[03:14:24] <kish`> because it's not the crap computers come with
• 172[03:14:25] <phogg> sioux_: you try both secrets directly and both work, but either from the script returns an invalid response?
• 173[03:14:30] <kish`> even old computers get new life with linux
• 174[03:14:45] <abff> I could buy fancy new personal computers but I'd rathet save my money for fat servers to run and just use recycled tech to access them
• 175[03:15:06] <abff> and even then I buy used
• 176[03:15:14] <phogg> sioux_: is there any amount of templating going on in the script, e.g. passing values via variables? Any chance the variables contain values that you don't expect? Tried running with set -x and seeing if it looks OK?
• 177[03:15:20] <kish`> I am on a lenovo x230 thinkpad I got recycled through my moms job. the screen is broken and I use a 1280x768 24 inch (i think) tv to view the minotr
• 178[03:15:29] <kish`> veyr ancient stuff
• 179[03:15:37] <phogg> old trash hardware has character
• 180[03:15:41] <sney> I have some expensive devices, but laptops are better cheap and somewhat expendable. if my T430 was destroyed in some mishap, I'd be a little sad, and then I'd get another one and restore a backup
• 181[03:15:43] <fling> kish`: you can coreboot it
• 182[03:15:50] <abff> kish`: oh that is a sick machine, lovely, definitely look into fixing the lcd panel
• 183[03:16:01] <sioux_> phogg, i have two secrets on script, one to vpn and one okta.. to vpn works normally when run script..when runs for okta, returns a value (but invalid) i get the secret and runs on terminal, return a correct number
• 184[03:16:12] <abff> you can also replace the keyboard with the x220 keyboard, much nicer
• 185[03:16:13] <kish`> abff, cant fix the lcd panel (lol the screen was under 1080 so not the best)
• 186[03:16:19] <sioux_> to get vpn or okta is a parameter when run script
• 187[03:16:29] <abff> kish`: lmao okay sure
• 188[03:16:33] <kish`> fling, hm not familiar with coreboot
• 189[03:16:34] <abff> I'll buy it off you
• 190[03:16:41] <kish`> nah i need it!
• 191[03:16:46] <sioux_> phogg, ok i will set -x
• 192[03:17:08] <phogg> sioux_: Interesting. That's even weirder!
• 193[03:17:18] <abff> kish`: I have an x220 with a great panel and a keyboard that need a new home x)
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• 195[03:17:33] <kish`> abff, can never have too many machines :)
• 196[03:17:55] * kish` looks at dwm in vbox and sees nothing
• 197[03:18:14] <kish`> you werent kidding about needing to customize it
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• 199[03:18:49] <abff> dwm is pretty advanced
• 200[03:19:06] <abff> if I understand your level of knowledge correctly
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• 202[03:20:01] <kish`> yeah it's above me
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• 205[03:23:15] <sioux_> phogg, i setted -x and debbug mode show corret totp
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• 207[03:24:08] <phogg> sioux_: correct command invocation, but incorrect output?
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• 209[03:24:18] <sioux_> yes
• 210[03:24:27] <phogg> sioux_: how are you confirming that the result is incorrect?
• 211[03:24:30] <sioux_> i can share with you my script, if you want
• 212[03:25:03] <phogg> sioux_: that might save some time
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• 217[03:25:22] <sioux_> phogg, because i'm already test direct on okta, and now i run the script and comand line in sequence, and show different
• 218[03:25:42] <sioux_> phogg, do you preffer a specific copy-paste site?
• 219[03:25:49] <kish`> abff, honestly, this laptop runs cinnamon just fine
• 220[03:25:59] <kish`> I've been using cinnamon on linux mint for a few years on it
• 221[03:26:09] <kish`> might stick to what i alredy know
• 222[03:26:19] <abff> I've never tried thay
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• 225[03:26:58] <phogg> sioux_: paste.debian.net if you can, anything not hastebin
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• 231[03:29:30] <sioux_> the difference on .key between services is, to vpn i have email:password:totp and to okta service i have ::totp
• 232[03:30:26] <sioux_> because this script generate a code and connect to vpn, and generate code to okta
• 233[03:30:49] <phogg> I take it the generateTOTP function is the meat of it
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• 235[03:31:57] <phogg> sioux_: you do have some unsafe quoting practices that could break some things sometimes
• 236[03:32:35] <phogg> e.g. password=$(echo $decrypt | cut -d':' -f2) will collapse consecutive horizontal whitespace within $decrypt to a single space
• 237[03:33:12] <sioux_> man
• 238[03:33:19] <sioux_> i will not belive
• 239[03:33:32] <phogg> is there a chance that string has whitespace in it?
• 240[03:33:49] <sioux_> *you will not belive
• 241[03:34:12] <phogg> there are some other things you could fix that shellcheck will identify for you, I suggest you check its report
• 242[03:34:47] <sioux_> if a change line 97 and 99 to $($_oathtool -b --totp "$totp") insead get variable, run get right code
• 243[03:34:48] <sioux_> oO
• 244[03:36:02] <phogg> I don't understand what you changed.
• 245[03:36:50] <sioux_> line 97 goes to: echo "Code for $s is: $($_oathtool -b --totp "$totp")"
• 246[03:37:18] <sioux_> and 99 to: [ $? -eq 0 ] && { echo $($_oathtool -b --totp "$totp") | xclip -sel clip; echo "*** Code copied to clipboard ***"; }
• 247[03:37:27] <phogg> well, you are not generating a totp value with oathtool inside generateTOTP. I'm not sure why you would expect it to have the right answer.
• 248[03:37:38] <sioux_> so now i not getting value from $code, and generate inline
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• 251[03:38:12] <sioux_> bizarre
• 252[03:38:20] <phogg> It could be a timing issue. You generate the result on line 55 and assign to gencode, then reassign to code on line 64, then use it on line 97
• 253[03:38:44] <phogg> By moving the point where you generate it closer you also change when it happens, which can be significant for totp.
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• 255[03:39:38] <phogg> sioux_: try this instead: move line 55 to replace line 64 and rename the variable to just "code", then put lines 97 and 99 back the way they were
• 256[03:39:45] <phogg> I'll bet it works that way
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• 258[03:41:02] <phogg> sioux_: try pasting your script in here: replaced-url
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• 272[03:53:26] <sioux_> phogg, yes working fine now
• 273[03:53:26] <sioux_> oO
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• 275[03:53:58] <phogg> sioux_: I bet the gpg commands take a bit to run
• 276[03:54:15] <phogg> and maybe the vpn connect does, too
• 277[03:54:50] <sioux_> when i run -g, just print code
• 278[03:54:54] <sioux_> but thanks man
• 279[03:54:56] <sioux_> =)
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• 281[03:56:23] <phogg> sioux_: do look in to shellcheck, OK?
• 282[03:57:13] <sioux_> i checked now
• 283[03:57:19] <sioux_> it's amazing
• 284[03:57:23] <sioux_> thank's for share
• 285[03:57:27] <phogg> it's basically like cheating for shell scripting
• 286[03:57:46] <sioux_> yeah, a lint for shell script
• 287[03:57:49] <sioux_> thanks =)
• 288[04:00:00] <dvs> tsk tsk tsk ;-0
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• 365[06:50:21] <rustyshackleford> is ext4 appropriate for a usb3 drive used for offline backups?
• 366[06:50:35] <rustyshackleford> I don't need to share it with other computers
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• 376[06:59:53] <EdePopede> rustyshackleford: i can't see (nor find, just did a quick search) a reason why it should not work. i'd just change some parameters, like -O dir_index, less reserved space (i use 1% only for my big partitions with hundreds of GB), also no atime and maybe no journaling. just to reduce write cycles.
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• 379[07:00:58] <rustyshackleford> EdePopede: I'm just going to plug in, run rsync, and unplug
• 380[07:01:33] <rustyshackleford> I'll read up on it. I just wonder if that's premature optimization, or if the defaults are sane enough
• 381[07:02:08] <EdePopede> oh wait, drive. usb. not a stick xD. but for backups some of the ext4 options still may not be really needed.
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• 384[07:02:42] <EdePopede> is it a hdd/sdd?
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• 386[07:03:35] <rustyshackleford> mechanical drive
• 387[07:03:37] <EdePopede> then i'd see even less a reason to treat it differently from a built-in disk. i'd look more at what kind of storage technology it uses instead of the cable. and of course the usage scenario.
• 388[07:03:46] <rustyshackleford> laptop drive in a usb3 enclosure
• 389[07:05:58] <EdePopede> i have some barracudas i use in an adapter, one failed in all these years, the others are just fine. also got a flat 2.5” maxtor which came preformatted with ntfs (1 big partition), after making a sliced backup of the original disk (mostly empte areas, so not too big) i stored ext4 containers on it, didn't want to change it just for the case i'd need use it on windows.
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• 392[07:07:34] <EdePopede> is rsync fast enough to not have the drive fall asleep all the time?
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• 394[07:08:14] <rustyshackleford> EdePopede: I think so
• 395[07:08:23] <rustyshackleford> one large sync job and then it goes idle
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• 398[07:08:46] <EdePopede> i checked the 2 drives i had attached to the pc some years ago, can't say anymore which one it was... but unlike the other one i couldn't even do 2 smart actions on it without waking it up every time
• 399[07:08:53] <rustyshackleford> rsync is clever about syncing only what's changed. so it might not even be a large job
• 400[07:09:28] <EdePopede> does it check the content or does it just trust mtime?
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• 402[07:12:35] <rustyshackleford> EdePopede: I'm not sure about that
• 403[07:13:09] <rustyshackleford> I think you can use a checksum but its not that way by default
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• 406[07:16:27] <EdePopede> between all the stackoverflow and similer results this one looks best replaced-url
• 407[07:17:15] <EdePopede> means the fs would have to do it when writing the file, either blockwise or for the whole file, which would make it useless for working disks, but only for storage
• 408[07:18:22] <EdePopede> but then reading a checksum only to compare it to another copy could avoid a lot of reading
• 409[07:18:40] <rustyshackleford> do you have a good offline backup practice?
• 410[07:18:58] <EdePopede> lol i don't even have a good household practice for HOME :/
• 411[07:19:09] <rustyshackleford> fair enough
• 412[07:19:24] <rustyshackleford> all my uber important stuff is in the cloud
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• 414[07:19:36] <EdePopede> which i'll never use :)
• 415[07:19:45] <rustyshackleford> don't blame you
• 416[07:20:00] <rustyshackleford> I'll trade some privacy for convenience
• 417[07:20:31] <EdePopede> the only additional risk i have here is the house burning down or someone breaking in and stealing my disks. but then i think i got bigger problems.
• 418[07:20:41] <rustyshackleford> so how much do you trust gpg? I'll say that I trust some sensitive documents to the cloud. But I tar and compress them before I compress them
• 419[07:20:56] <rustyshackleford> before I encrypt them I mean
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• 421[07:20:59] <EdePopede> oh wait, forget about the fire. OVH. i hope they had backups of their servers in the cloud.
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• 424[07:22:09] <EdePopede> sure, tar is a must. even binaries, though not as much as with MS's MZ/NE/PE formats. Loup Gailly's lzexe *cough*.
• 425[07:22:40] <EdePopede> only with media files it doesn't make sense anymore, png, even more mp4 codecs. but everything else...
• 426[07:23:16] <rustyshackleford> I'm sure the NSA could get into my documents
• 427[07:23:23] <rustyshackleford> but they already have those probably haha
• 428[07:23:37] <rustyshackleford> I think gpg would probably survive a security breach
• 429[07:23:43] <EdePopede> gpg looks good to me. i have no reason to expect a backdoor or even a critical flaw, just short keys could become an issue.
• 430[07:24:10] <EdePopede> brute force, rainbow tables. but then i don't think i'm on CIA's watchlist.
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• 432[07:24:28] <rustyshackleford> and again. the cia can get these documents already
• 433[07:24:52] <EdePopede> replaced-url
• 434[07:25:05] <rustyshackleford> I'm not hiding from the CIA luckily
• 435[07:25:24] <rustyshackleford> I know this comic already before clicking it haha
• 436[07:25:34] <EdePopede> they have better things to do. even if not, then there are other options for them.
• 437[07:25:40] <EdePopede> yeah :D
• 438[07:26:05] <EdePopede> i'd really like to be able to instantly deliver the correct xkcd id
• 439[07:26:20] <EdePopede> just like a good ferengi with the rules of acquisition ;)
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• 441[07:26:36] <EdePopede> 538 btw
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• 445[07:32:21] <EdePopede> the best encryption won't help here: replaced-url
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• 449[07:37:16] <kish`> have to find me to beat my passphrase out of me
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• 454[07:45:29] <rustyshackleford> you'll never get me to talk
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• 456[07:46:08] <rustyshackleford> okay! I've had enough, you win!
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• 463[07:52:58] <EdePopede> "i'll make him an offer he can't refuse"
• 464[07:53:10] <EdePopede> everything in life is some kind of deal
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• 466[07:54:15] <EdePopede> in debian you pay with the version for a stable system
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• 468[07:54:45] <rustyshackleford> with linux, you pay for freedom and configuration
• 469[07:55:10] <rustyshackleford> but you give up a polished, sane desktop environment
• 470[07:55:20] <rustyshackleford> - sent from my MacBook Pro
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• 472[07:57:55] <EdePopede> replaced-url
• 473[07:57:58] <EdePopede> not so shiny ;)
• 474[07:58:15] <EdePopede> but srsly, i don't want my hardware and software bundled forever
• 475[07:59:50] <EdePopede> not even each of them for itself. i want to be able to replace broken parts, even those which doesn't fit anymore.
• 476[08:00:45] <EdePopede> and to chose my own software stack, i even may want to change my DE without reinstalling everything. debian-mate, buster-gnome? never.
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• 566[10:33:01] <jelly> ,kernels
• 567[10:33:02] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.26-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-5-686 (5.10.26-1); buster-backports: 5.10.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (5.10.19-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-16-686-pae (4.19.181-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.16-686 (4.19.181-1~deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 568[10:33:03] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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• 570[10:34:34] <dff> morning all!, i just replaced my GTX 1080 with an RTX 30080 and when i boot debian 10 i get a blank screen with a single _ blinking in the upper left corner
• 571[10:34:48] <dff> i can ssh in and find this error in dmesg
• 572[10:35:02] <dff> replaced-url
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• 574[10:35:16] <dff> what are my options?
• 575[10:35:32] <jelly> dff, did you previously use the non-free nvidia driver?
• 576[10:35:41] <dff> i used nouveau
• 577[10:35:44] <dff> previously
• 578[10:35:58] <jelly> does nouveau support such a new card at all?
• 579[10:36:07] <dff> i guess not :D
• 580[10:36:15] <jelly> why did you buy it then
• 581[10:36:17] * jelly hides
• 582[10:37:09] <dff> to play computer games
• 583[10:37:13] <dff> on windows 10
• 584[10:37:20] <dff> i dual boot
• 585[10:37:32] <dff> replaced-url
• 586[10:37:39] <dff> is guess that is the route i have to take?
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• 588[10:43:10] <jelly> ah.
• 589[10:43:19] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
• 590[10:43:19] <dpkg> To install the proprietary nvidia graphics driver, ask me about <non-free sources> and then 'apt install nvidia-driver linux-headers-amd64'. Check in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms to make sure the modules are present, and reboot. For legacy GPUs, replace 'nvidia-driver' with 'nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver', or stick with <nouveau>.
• 591[10:43:35] <abff> for such a modern card you almost certainly need the proprietary driver
• 592[10:44:04] <jelly> dff, use debian's packaging of nvidia drivers if at all possible
• 593[10:44:12] <abff> maybe ask in #nouveau there might be some weird exception like you can get a basic frambuffer or something
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• 595[10:44:44] <jelly> upstream's probably going to tell him to run latest git or latest kernel
• 596[10:45:17] <jelly> dff, you might try mrely upgrading the kernel to 5.10 from buster-backports, and see if that makes nouveau work
• 597[10:46:10] <jelly> but my limited experience with nouveau says it's very unstable, I've regularly had kernel hangs after 2-3 days uptime with nouveau and weeks of use with nvidia
• 598[10:46:15] <jelly> YMMV
• 599[10:46:35] <dff> odd, my experience is the opposite, nouveau works well and nvidias drivers worked poorly
• 600[10:46:40] <shtrb> What tool that might help me identify if there is noise on a specific channel ? I have AC-9560 and I hope it would be able to "tune" to the proper frequency. (I'm trying to debug why a JB7016 (RC engine) is stopping responding to radio transmittions from the controller).
• 601[10:46:42] <dff> when i had the 1080 that is
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• 603[10:47:49] <shtrb> *JV7016 not JB7016
• 604[10:48:21] <jelly> I'm also not surprised the experience varies wildly, possibly 1080 is more common than my passive/cheap GT720 and such
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• 611[11:02:14] <dff> 2d:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:2206] (rev a1)
• 612[11:02:22] <dff> Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version up to 418.181.07.
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• 615[11:07:10] <dff> wait, this is not making sense
• 616[11:07:20] <dff> the monitor shows the grub boot screen
• 617[11:07:31] <dff> and parts of the boot loading process
• 618[11:07:58] <dff> when i remotely shutdown, i see the shutdown sequence on the monitor
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• 620[11:20:24] <kish`> shame I can't uninstall every KDE package, once KDE has been installed
• 621[11:20:35] <kish`> Feel like the VBox drive is tainted or something
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• 623[11:21:13] <shtrb> What does The DE that shall not be named have to VBox , and VBox driver can bring havoc
• 624[11:21:56] <shtrb> kish`, you can purge all plasma packages and then remove any package which is a dependency for plasma
• 625[11:22:02] <shtrb> *remove not purge !
• 626[11:24:08] <kish`> shtrb, does not look like apt remove task-kde-desktop works
• 627[11:24:21] <kish`> that's what I used to install and test kde
• 628[11:25:10] <kish`> Is there a way to remove all the packages that were installed, the 2224 MB of KDE dependencies
• 629[11:25:18] <kish`> without doing some commandline hacking?
• 630[11:25:34] <shtrb> yes
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• 632[11:25:42] <kish`> It would have been best if removing task-kde-desktop would remove the same files it installed in the first place
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• 649[11:43:34] <tosted> hi everybody... need urgent
• 650[11:43:38] <tosted> help..
• 651[11:46:21] <tosted> accidentaly seted chmod -R 600 to folder /bin, when were try edit one subfolder of /bin.
• 652[11:46:56] <tosted> some easy way to reset that before new reboot?
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• 657[11:48:27] <kish`> tosted, ouch
• 658[11:48:39] <tosted> yeah...
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• 660[11:49:04] <kish`> my guess is you will have to reverse it
• 661[11:49:35] <tosted> yeah...were is another chmod bin in system
• 662[11:49:40] <tosted> find locked too
• 663[11:49:48] <tosted> :(
• 664[11:49:57] <EdePopede> short version: besides some links everything here is 755, so you just +x them
• 665[11:49:58] <jelly> tosted, /bin should not have subfolders.
• 666[11:50:10] <tosted> i know
• 667[11:50:20] <EdePopede> then there are some suid executables
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• 669[11:50:24] <tosted> but you know we humans are stupid
• 670[11:50:31] <tosted> and...happened
• 671[11:50:49] <EdePopede> both ping, su and mount stuff incl. ntfs-3g
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• 674[11:51:04] <jelly> tosted, /bin/chmod is presumably affected, do you have perl binary running?
• 675[11:51:23] <EdePopede> how did the subfolders even find their way into /bin?
• 676[11:51:35] <tosted> maybe, how to confirm?
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• 679[11:52:31] <jelly> tosted, run eg. perl -V
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• 681[11:53:02] <tosted> ok runned
• 682[11:53:25] <jelly> did it work and display some build info?
• 683[11:53:40] <tosted> extensive output
• 684[11:54:00] <tosted> uname= uname='linux localhost 4.9.0 #1 smp debian 4.9.0 x86_64 gnulinux '
• 685[11:54:28] <jelly> perl -e 'chmod 0755, "/bin"'
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• 687[11:55:03] <jelly> perl -e 'chmod 0755, "/bin/ls"'
• 688[11:55:09] <jelly> then see if ls works
• 689[11:55:40] <jelly> by doing eg. ls -ld /bin
• 690[11:55:44] <tosted> yesssssssssssssssssss
• 691[11:56:10] <tosted> were like a perfect solution!!!
• 692[11:56:52] <tosted> and now
• 693[11:57:08] <tosted> how to protect me from myself???
• 694[11:57:10] <tosted> lol
• 695[11:57:30] <tosted> chattr + i chmod ?
• 696[11:58:04] <EdePopede> stay away from most of $PATH
• 697[11:58:04] <jelly> you can't protect from admin doing something dumb directly
• 698[11:58:18] <tosted> lol
• 699[11:58:22] <jelly> tosted, a) HAVE BACKUPS b) learn at least one scripting langauge
• 700[11:58:25] <EdePopede> always cd into /tmp or $HOME, at least the damage is limited there
• 701[11:59:54] <jelly> tosted, sometimes, statically linked shells with builtin tools can be of help, busybox or sash are examples
• 702[12:00:27] <dff> manually installing this driver works for RTX 3080 replaced-url
• 703[12:00:32] <dff> TIL
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• 706[12:01:56] <jelly> dff, nvidia's installer clashes with apt and dpkg, and things might break after you patch up the system
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• 710[12:02:21] <dff> it's that or just it headless
• 711[12:02:28] <jelly> this is why we suggest avoiding their own installer and using debian's packaging of the same stuff
• 712[12:02:28] <dff> use it headless*
• 713[12:02:36] <dff> yeah, i understand
• 714[12:02:53] <dff> but per usual debian packages are decades behind
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• 716[12:03:06] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 717[12:03:07] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch/non-free: 390.138-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.181.07-1; buster-backports/non-free: 460.39-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 460.67-1; sid/non-free: 460.67-1
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• 719[12:03:38] <jelly> dff, usually one of those work: buster/non-free: 418.181.07-1; buster-backports/non-free: 460.39-1~bpo10+1;
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• 721[12:03:58] <dff> that is odd indeed
• 722[12:04:07] <dff> ill rollback and try those
• 723[12:04:23] <dff> i used the package dpkg suggested
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• 727[12:05:02] <tosted> :)
• 728[12:05:08] <dff> which was nvidia-drivers-linux-headers-amd64
• 729[12:05:44] <jelly> tosted, you can chmod /bin/chmod itself and then chmod 755 /bin/*
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• 731[12:05:56] <Franciman> Hi allz
• 732[12:05:59] <Franciman> [ 3.030190] pstore: crypto_comp_decompress failed, ret = -22!
• 733[12:06:05] <Franciman> I am finding these errors in dmesg
• 734[12:06:12] <Franciman> what is the issue here?
• 735[12:06:38] <jelly> tosted, however, some tools in /bin/ have setuid bits set and chmod 755 will delete those bits.
• 736[12:08:19] <tosted> i ll perform sets like this individually
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• 740[12:09:30] <tosted> thanks jelly, I thought I had no solution but to reinstall
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• 743[12:10:23] <jelly> interpreted languages like python or perl or ruby can do anything coreutils tools do
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• 746[12:12:09] <jelly> tosted, dpkg package manager typically uses "dpkg-statoverride" tool to prepare setuid bits at installation time. With that in mind, you can figure out which package use it, and which packages put something in /bin, and reinstall the intersection of those two sets
• 747[12:12:35] <jelly> grep -l dpkg-statoverride /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst|awk -F/ '{print $NF}'|sed s/.postinst$// # dirty rough way to get the first set of packages
• 748[12:13:18] <jelly> dpkg -S /bin # second set of packages
• 749[12:13:18] <dpkg> There is no record of a /bin # second set of packages package
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• 751[12:13:26] <jelly> dpkg, shut up
• 752[12:13:26] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
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• 760[12:17:38] <tosted> and this irc channel were very important to me!
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• 763[12:18:35] <tosted> i just apologize for my millions of reconnections within a day
• 764[12:19:20] <tosted> one day I'll fix it
• 765[12:20:32] <jelly> get a cheap VPS and run znc there, then connect your real client to said znc. Or run irssi inside tmux/screen, there
• 766[12:21:21] <jelly> I only realized people might be annoyed after I started having 3 separate clients connected (intermittently, but sometimes all at the same time)
• 767[12:22:48] <unborn> get a cheap VPS and run znc there... doable :) long living example here.. or tmux would be much help.
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• 774[12:29:53] <tosted> I believe that the bit setuid has already been lost in the initial chmod 600, right?
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• 778[12:35:11] <Arahael> tosted: Why don't you test it and find out?
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• 781[12:37:13] <TheBigK02> im using quassel-core on my raspi... i dont reboot that thing very often ... but i might migrate the quassel-core to my root-server at some point...
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• 785[12:40:17] <jelly> tosted, correct
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• 828[13:24:29] <heller_> hey guys
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• 830[13:24:58] <heller_> i've got a local debian server which has some clients connecting via ssh and key
• 831[13:25:51] <heller_> i'd need to move that server from local to cloud. How can do that, so the clients dont get the "new host key" query?
• 832[13:26:05] <heller_> since i dont have acccess on the remote clients to write "yes" :)(
• 833[13:26:57] <avu> heller_: the host keys live in /etc/ssh, you should be able to just copy them over to the new installation
• 834[13:27:30] <heller_> could/should i just copy the whole /etc/ssh to the new server?
• 835[13:27:44] <heller_> since config does not have anything host specifig settings, but i do want to keep the settings
• 836[13:28:10] <avu> heller_: sure, that could be fine, just as with many/most files in /etc if you want to basically clone the old server
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• 838[13:29:50] <heller_> well i only need to have the ssh working. it mostly lives for the ssh connections anyway
• 839[13:30:23] <heller_> hmm i seem to get some spoofing alert error
• 840[13:30:28] <heller_> am i missing something?
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• 843[13:34:15] <avu> well, what does the error say?
• 844[13:35:14] <heller_> "possible dns spoofing detected"
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• 848[13:42:36] <avu> that's surely not the whole output
• 849[13:42:57] <heller_> ah actually it seems like two files are not being overwritten
• 850[13:43:11] <heller_> which is odd, even if i try cp --force
• 851[13:47:05] <heller_> yeah now it worked
• 852[13:47:10] <heller_> thansk avu
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• 873[14:10:34] <zaggynl> hi, I'm trying to setup a mirror with apt-mirror but it stops after a 10s with 'apt-mirror is already running, exiting at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 217.', it only appears to create a apt-mirror.lock file and exit with that message, I've removed the apt-mirror.lock file without any change
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• 876[14:15:23] <quadrathoch2> zaggynl: are you sure you need a mirror? most people just need a cache
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• 878[14:16:09] <zaggynl> I uh, don't know? what's the difference?
• 879[14:16:24] <zaggynl> changing the fstab mount options from auto to auto,noatime,nolock,bg,nfsvers=3,intr,tcp,actimeo=1800 0 0 seems to have worked, it's downloading
• 880[14:17:27] <quadrathoch2> zaggynl: a cache is something which keeps packages, so when a second machine is trying to download from the apt mirror, it's just downloading it from the cache
• 881[14:17:48] <quadrathoch2> while a mirror literally copies every single packages onto disk
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• 884[14:20:26] <zaggynl> hmm, I should look into this, thanks
• 885[14:21:26] <quadrathoch2> zaggynl: reprepo is nowadays which most people use
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• 903[14:41:46] <hegemoOn> it is said that script located in /etc/network/ifup.d will be executed automatically when an interface is brought up
• 904[14:42:01] <hegemoOn> is it correct ? cause i cannot state this behaviour on my debian 10
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• 906[14:42:56] <nevivurn> hegemoOn: is the script executable?
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• 909[14:44:14] <hegemoOn> yes
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• 912[14:45:22] <jelly> and of course your interface is managed with ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces) and not some other method (systemd-networkd, NetworkManager, wicd...)?
• 913[14:45:29] <hegemoOn> exact
• 914[14:45:44] <hegemoOn> the definition of the interface is in /etc/network/interfaces.d/
• 915[14:45:54] <jelly> yeah, that's fine
• 916[14:46:45] <hegemoOn> in 50-cloud-init.cfg
• 917[14:46:53] <hegemoOn> and they are brought up at book without issue
• 918[14:47:02] <hegemoOn> just the traffic shapping script is not executed
• 919[14:47:17] <hegemoOn> if i add a post-up to eth0 it is
• 920[14:47:35] <hegemoOn> but if i simply put the script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ it's not executed
• 921[14:47:52] <jelly> hegemoOn, . is not a legal character for a script run by run-parts
• 922[14:48:11] <jelly> rename it to eg. just 50-cloud-init
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• 924[14:48:38] <jelly> (man 5 interfaces ... HOOK SCRIPTS ... man 8 run-parts)
• 925[14:48:44] <hegemoOn> ok
• 926[14:48:47] <hegemoOn> but it works
• 927[14:48:59] <hegemoOn> i renamed trafficshapping.sh to trafficshapping
• 928[14:49:01] <hegemoOn> and rebooted
• 929[14:49:05] <hegemoOn> let's see what happens
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• 933[14:50:56] <jelly> huh, you say 50-cloud-init.cfg works nevertheless, but trafficshapping.sh did not?
• 934[14:51:13] <hegemoOn> yes
• 935[14:51:17] <jelly> hmm
• 936[14:51:29] <jelly> no idea then. Does your script have a valid #! line?
• 937[14:51:35] <hegemoOn> my interfaces are in /etc/network/interfaces.d/50-cloud-init.cfg
• 938[14:51:55] <hegemoOn> no
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• 940[14:52:17] <jelly> if it's a shell script, put #!/bin/sh as the first line.
• 941[14:52:38] <hegemoOn> ok
• 942[14:52:39] <jelly> or #!/bin/bash if it uses bash-specific syntax
• 943[14:52:58] <hegemoOn> when called in shell like /etc/network/if-up.d/trafficshapping it works
• 944[14:53:04] <hegemoOn> even without shebang!
• 945[14:53:10] <hegemoOn> but let's test
• 946[14:53:18] <jelly> yeah, that's your shell being smarter that you
• 947[14:53:36] <hegemoOn> it's quite easy thing, i have to admin
• 948[14:53:38] <jelly> than* you and doing what you meant; the kernel doesn't do that
• 949[14:53:40] <hegemoOn> admint
• 950[14:53:43] <nevivurn> Eh, what kind of shell does that?
• 951[14:54:04] <jelly> nevivurn, dash, bash, zsh... probably more
• 952[14:54:22] <nevivurn> bash? huh, I wasn't aware.
• 953[14:54:28] <jelly> no #! line, they use themselves to interpret
• 954[14:54:50] <jelly> almost like sourcing
• 955[14:55:17] <nevivurn> Huh, but shebaings and such are handled by the kernel, I thought.
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• 957[14:56:50] <nevivurn> Ah, exec(3): "If the header of a file isn't recognized [...] these functions will execute the shell (/bin/sh) [...]"
• 958[14:57:27] <hegemoOn> great
• 959[14:57:33] <hegemoOn> this was the problem, and this was the solution
• 960[14:57:34] <hegemoOn> thanks
• 961[14:57:46] <jelly> you're welcome
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• 963[14:58:51] <hegemoOn> #!/usr/bin/bash
• 964[14:58:53] <hegemoOn> for instance
• 965[15:01:56] <jelly> bash is in /bin/bash on debian
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• 970[15:09:48] <Juerd> jelly: But /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin nowadays :)
• 971[15:10:30] <jelly> Juerd, not always
• 972[15:11:02] <jelly> it might be "always" in time for bookworm (the release to come after bullseye)
• 973[15:11:20] <Juerd> jelly: It is at least on my freshly installed buster here :)
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• 975[15:11:31] <jelly> yes, you get usrmerge on a fresh install
• 976[15:11:39] <jelly> !usrmerge
• 977[15:11:39] <dpkg> /usr merge is the combining of /bin and /usr/bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin on fresh installs of Debian 10 Buster. On machines upgraded from Stretch, this is optional, and can be accomplished if desired via the usrmerge package, or <replaced-url
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• 979[15:16:35] <EdePopede> is there a package with files in both parts, /[s]bin and /usr/[s]bin?
• 980[15:16:42] <ratrace> isn't that basically two debian flavors ... usrmerge'd (fresh install) and non-usrmerge'd (upgraded OS) .
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• 982[15:17:14] <EdePopede> coreutils
• 983[15:17:34] <ratrace> the difference is that automation set up for usrmerged'd OS will fail on non-usrmerge'd OS . I know from ...... painful personal experience.
• 984[15:17:50] <EdePopede> automatation?
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• 988[15:18:56] <ratrace> autonomatuatiation
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• 990[15:19:11] <EdePopede> waiting for my coffee
• 991[15:19:26] <EdePopede> replaced-url
• 992[15:19:42] <EdePopede> lemme grab it, being curious how it actually looks like
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• 994[15:22:38] <generic> i arrive at login screen but as soon as I enter the session screen goes black. how can i change the modeline?
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• 999[15:26:19] <EdePopede> uh, its postinst even may do > ln -s /bin/touch /usr/bin/touch
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• 1049[16:15:52] <ychaouche> Hello debianeros
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• 1051[16:16:03] <Franciman> hi ychaouche
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• 1053[16:16:36] <ychaouche> I went to replaced-url
• 1054[16:17:26] <ychaouche> And is chosing the tool the right starting point or is there prior work to do before chosing the backup tool ?
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• 1058[16:20:46] <ychaouche> oh and I'm using btrfs if that has any importance
• 1059[16:20:58] <ychaouche> (I heard about btrfs snapshots)
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• 1063[16:25:02] <ratrace> ychaouche: you can base your backups on btrfs snapshots that you ship elsewhere (external drive, another machine, ...)
• 1064[16:25:29] <ratrace> ychaouche: if your data is really important to you, I'd recommend 3-2-1 backups. at least 3 copies, on at least 2 media, 1 of which is offsite
• 1065[16:25:35] <ratrace> (at least 1 of which)
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• 1067[16:27:17] <ychaouche> I can't visualize the 3 copies 2 media "paradigm". Shouldn't each copy be on a sperate media ?
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• 1070[16:27:42] <ratrace> ychaouche: I mean like, if you use btrfs in production, use something else on backups. zfs preferably
• 1071[16:27:55] <ratrace> so that a bug in the filesystem doesn't nuke your backups too
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• 1073[16:28:12] <ychaouche> ah ok
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• 1076[16:34:00] <ychaouche> I'm thinking about having one local server that does backup for all other servers, and mirror that with another backup server on a remote site.
• 1077[16:34:27] <ychaouche> so two servers only dedicated for backups
• 1078[16:35:00] <ychaouche> That will require a few TB of space I guess.
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• 1081[16:37:35] <ratrace> sounds good
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• 1103[17:04:49] <codeworm> Hello, is this the right place to ask questions about Debian's apache2 scripts?
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• 1106[17:06:05] <codeworm> Because other channels don't like the debian version of apache2
• 1107[17:06:58] <quadrathoch2> just ask, and then somebody will answer :) if people are around
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• 1109[17:07:26] <codeworm> quadrathoch2: That's what I always do. I first ask. But then somebody gets in the way and tells me go to this channel or that channel.
• 1110[17:07:37] <codeworm> quadrathoch2: I hope you understand the situation here.
• 1111[17:08:01] <quadrathoch2> asking to ask is just kinda weird, imho
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• 1114[17:08:36] <codeworm> It is sad to say, but freenode is filled with way to many gurus not knowing actually anything, just trying to micro-manage everything. :/
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• 1119[17:10:05] <codeworm> Well, here's my problem. I've accidentally deleted sites-available softlinks without running any scripts. Is this a problem? How can I reload the configuration after this?
• 1120[17:10:25] <codeworm> without running any scripts, I mean a2ensite etc
• 1121[17:11:37] <codeworm> I have removed 000-default files and have setup 2 vhosts at /var/replaced-url
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• 1123[17:12:01] <codeworm> /var/replaced-url
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• 1126[17:13:22] <x10d> you've deleted files from sites-avalible or symlinks from sites-enabled?
• 1127[17:13:33] <codeworm> sites-enabled sorry
• 1128[17:13:41] <codeworm> This is why I messed things up
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• 1130[17:13:50] <codeworm> messed sites-enabled with sites-available
• 1131[17:13:57] <x10d> so just recreate symlinks or use a2ensites
• 1132[17:14:02] <codeworm> way before finishing the setup I believe
• 1133[17:14:11] <codeworm> that's what I thought
• 1134[17:14:21] <codeworm> I just wanted to confirm it
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• 1136[17:14:22] <codeworm> Thanks
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• 1139[17:15:45] <x10d> sites-available contains files, sites-enabled only symlinks activating them
• 1140[17:15:54] <codeworm> yeah, I misread them
• 1141[17:16:05] <codeworm> hmm, seems it is trying again to load from /var/replaced-url
• 1142[17:16:14] <codeworm> Let me show you the vhost file
• 1143[17:16:30] <codeworm> (I will use pastebin)
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• 1146[17:18:44] <codeworm> x10d: replaced-url
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• 1148[17:20:31] <codeworm> x10d: The other one is exactly the same with domain changed
• 1149[17:20:44] <x10d> did you restarted apache2 after setting this?
• 1150[17:20:49] <codeworm> Yeah
• 1151[17:20:55] <codeworm> You know what I did
• 1152[17:21:22] <codeworm> I've actually deleted the default configurations without disabling them
• 1153[17:21:41] <codeworm> They still existed in sites-available
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• 1155[17:22:07] <codeworm> but now they don't exist as I've deleted them, restarted and again it tries to load /var/replaced-url
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• 1157[17:22:38] <codeworm> What if I delete the /html directory?
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• 1159[17:22:53] <codeworm> or maybe it is a permission problem with my own dirs?
• 1160[17:23:03] <codeworm> I have them replaced-url
• 1161[17:24:28] <codeworm> what is the deal with conf-enabled?
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• 1163[17:25:13] <codeworm> Maybe it is happening due to some PHP errors I've got?
• 1164[17:25:28] <codeworm> (because of changing directories, a few paths changed)
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• 1166[17:25:51] <codeworm> I'll try to fix them and try again
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• 1168[17:27:02] <TheBigK02> apache2ctl -S is a good point to start
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• 1170[17:27:17] <x10d> if you have files in sites-available, then you can activate them by using a2ensite name_of_conf
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• 1172[17:28:02] <TheBigK02> as i read out of ur explanation u want to change the default DocumentRoot ?
• 1173[17:28:14] <codeworm> x10d: should I give "nameof.conf" or just "name" without the .conf extension?
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• 1175[17:28:23] <codeworm> TheBigK02: Yes
• 1176[17:28:35] <x10d> a2ensite name_without_conf
• 1177[17:28:35] <codeworm> I've already switched directory structure but it doesn't work
• 1178[17:28:42] <codeworm> x10d: That's what I did
• 1179[17:28:46] <TheBigK02> then apache2ctl -S is a good point to start since it prints out the configuration and u might find the /var/replaced-url
• 1180[17:29:22] <codeworm> Why is -S not documented in the man page?
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• 1182[17:29:50] <x10d> -S : a synonym for -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS -D DUMP_RUN_CFG
• 1183[17:30:00] <codeworm> The ScriptAlias directive in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf at line 228 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
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• 1185[17:30:18] <codeworm> I've seen this a few minutes again, checked the file, I don't see anything weird there.
• 1186[17:30:19] <TheBigK02> codeworm: I would assume its documented and u did not find it?
• 1187[17:30:34] <codeworm> TheBigK02: My man page doesn't have it
• 1188[17:30:47] <codeworm> I tried searching for /-S
• 1189[17:31:03] <codeworm> So I guess it doesn't have it anywhere on the man page
• 1190[17:31:16] <TheBigK02> codeworm: i dont have a debian apache installed right now. i cant check. but does it matter since x10d found it ? :)
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• 1192[17:31:39] <codeworm> No, of course it doesn't matter. I've already run the command.
• 1193[17:31:50] <TheBigK02> no /var/replaced-url
• 1194[17:32:05] <codeworm> Main DocumentRoot: "/var/replaced-url
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• 1196[17:32:54] <TheBigK02> grep -R \/var\/replaced-url
• 1197[17:33:09] <codeworm> let me see, I've only checked apache2.conf
• 1198[17:33:27] <TheBigK02> conf.d gets included for example. there are a lot of possibilities :)
• 1199[17:34:00] <codeworm> doesn't find anything for "/var/replaced-url
• 1200[17:34:14] <codeworm> I did "/var/replaced-url
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• 1202[17:34:57] <codeworm> Hmm, maybe something else is happening
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• 1204[17:35:14] <codeworm> The ScriptAlias directive in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf at line 228 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
• 1205[17:35:17] <TheBigK02> the root file is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ... and from there a bunch of includes happen
• 1206[17:35:18] <codeworm> I also see this
• 1207[17:35:35] <codeworm> When I run apache2ctl -S
• 1208[17:35:49] <TheBigK02> that means that a scriptalias earlier is defined ...
• 1209[17:36:04] <codeworm> hmm
• 1210[17:36:14] <codeworm> I don't think so
• 1211[17:36:17] <TheBigK02> i can comment that line out ... the error should disappear then
• 1212[17:36:18] <codeworm> how can we verify this?
• 1213[17:36:28] <TheBigK02> trust me, the apachectl doesnt lie... :)
• 1214[17:36:48] <codeworm> hah
• 1215[17:37:01] <codeworm> I have there (in apache2.conf) ServerName localhost
• 1216[17:37:10] <codeworm> and because I don't have any domains setup yet
• 1217[17:37:25] <TheBigK02> the first vhost is always the "default" vhost
• 1218[17:37:30] <codeworm> I'm using 2 domains pointing at 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts
• 1219[17:37:36] <codeworm> maybe that's the problem?
• 1220[17:37:39] <TheBigK02> i like it better in nginx.. u can define a vhost as the default. i like it better that way
• 1221[17:37:59] <codeworm> the first vhost is always the "default" vhost
• 1222[17:38:02] <codeworm> Yeah that's right
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• 1224[17:38:19] <TheBigK02> and u can see which is the first in apachectl -S
• 1225[17:39:19] <jelly> codeworm, pastebin the full output of apachectl -S, if there's still something not working right
• 1226[17:39:20] <codeworm> I know which is the first, one of them vhosts starts with "d", and this is the one apache2 tries to load
• 1227[17:39:31] <codeworm> but from /var/replaced-url
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• 1229[17:40:02] <TheBigK02> codeworm: the name of the vhost doesnt matter. it matters which is the first in the config.
• 1230[17:40:45] <TheBigK02> but jelly's suggestion to pastebin the config is a good start
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• 1233[17:41:10] <x10d> and btw show ls -la /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
• 1234[17:41:13] <codeworm> TheBigK02: I've read somewhere that it does matter. That's why it starts with numbers in the front.
• 1235[17:41:44] <TheBigK02> codeworm: yes because it includes the directory. then the filename is important. but the name of the vhost is not the filename ;)
• 1236[17:41:44] <codeworm> wait a moment
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• 1238[17:41:55] <codeworm> I'll paste apache2ctl output as well
• 1239[17:42:30] <jelly> !paste
• 1240[17:42:30] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 1241[17:43:01] <codeworm> jelly: Yeah, yeah :)
• 1242[17:43:12] <x10d> jelly: he's putting on pastebin ;)
• 1243[17:43:25] <codeworm> jelly: pastebin.com is ok though?
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• 1245[17:43:32] <x10d> doesn't matter
• 1246[17:43:34] <jelly> any pastebin is fine as long as it's not pastebin.com
• 1247[17:43:49] <codeworm> because some channels want you do copy-paste on specific pastebin sites :p
• 1248[17:43:50] <x10d> sth wrong with that? :>
• 1249[17:43:57] <jelly> crapton of ads
• 1250[17:44:03] <x10d> adblock?:
• 1251[17:44:16] <TheBigK02> x10d: adblock doenst block all tracking
• 1252[17:44:26] <jelly> x10d, "don't make things harder for the people trying to help you"
• 1253[17:44:26] <codeworm> replaced-url
• 1254[17:44:31] <x10d> ghostery should
• 1255[17:44:37] <x10d> but ok :>
• 1256[17:44:38] <codeworm> Here's is apache2ctl output
• 1257[17:44:55] <TheBigK02> x10d: if u think that u dont know a lot about tracking :p
• 1258[17:45:16] <x10d> TheBigK02: it might be true ;)
• 1259[17:45:37] <codeworm> It's not tracking anymore. It is monitoring. xD
• 1260[17:46:10] <jelly> codeworm, you seem to have just one non-https VirtualHost, and some custom stuff in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, was this system freshly installed with this debian release or is it an upgrade? Which debian release is running right now?
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• 1262[17:46:26] <jelly> it's somewhat unusual to have to mess with apache2.conf
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• 1264[17:46:54] <codeworm> jelly: Basically I'm using a variant of Ubuntu
• 1265[17:47:05] <codeworm> Thought it would be the same
• 1266[17:47:57] <jelly> it's sufficiently different that we avoid giving debian advice to people running non-Debian, because it might be suboptimal or harmful
• 1267[17:48:04] <jelly> codeworm, which distro is it?
• 1268[17:48:17] <codeworm> Debian 4.9.228-1 (2020-07-05) i686 GNU/Linux
• 1269[17:48:22] <codeworm> It is Lubuntu
• 1270[17:48:34] <codeworm> but it gives this with uname
• 1271[17:48:45] <jelly> that' does not look like an Ubuntu kernel
• 1272[17:48:51] <codeworm> lol
• 1273[17:49:05] <jelly> and it's 32bit, which is also unusual but hey
• 1274[17:49:07] <codeworm> I said a variant of Ubuntu, not Ubuntu
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• 1276[17:49:17] <codeworm> jelly: xD
• 1277[17:49:33] <jelly> codeworm, try #ubuntu-server or ##linux channels
• 1278[17:49:59] <codeworm> linux ignored me. Apache had broken debian scripts.
• 1279[17:50:07] <codeworm> ubuntu will ignore me as well.
• 1280[17:50:13] <codeworm> I am on my own. :P
• 1281[17:50:17] <x10d> move to debian? :)
• 1282[17:50:25] <codeworm> Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do
• 1283[17:50:32] <codeworm> Debian or FreeBSD lol
• 1284[17:50:47] <x10d> but don't mix them together ;)
• 1285[17:50:51] <codeworm> hahahah
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• 1287[17:51:34] <TheBigK02> codeworm: U can try to configure a DocumentRoot in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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• 1289[17:51:41] <TheBigK02> that might change the behaviour
• 1290[17:51:55] <codeworm> TheBigK02: That might confused things even more haha
• 1291[17:52:17] <TheBigK02> codeworm: why would this be confusing since u need to change the Main DocumentRoot... which gets print like I said
• 1292[17:52:18] <codeworm> I'll see if I can come up with something, else I'm doing a fresh debian installation
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• 1294[17:52:29] <TheBigK02> codeworm: let me check if im right... docker magic... :D
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• 1297[17:54:25] <TheBigK02> replaced-url
• 1298[17:54:55] <TheBigK02> codeworm: it seems to be compiled in... but im too lazy to load the sources to check that
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• 1301[17:55:25] <TheBigK02> codeworm: but u can change that like i mentioned in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
• 1302[17:55:33] <TheBigK02> i dont see any i issue there...
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• 1304[17:56:04] <codeworm> TheBigK02: Hmm, maybe this is the actual location for documentRoot?
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• 1308[17:56:40] <codeworm> i.e it should be /var/replaced-url
• 1309[17:56:42] <TheBigK02> codeworm: ur problem is related to vhost not matching and then u get directed to MainDoucment Root
• 1310[17:56:43] <codeworm> ?
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• 1313[17:57:04] <codeworm> Yeah, but I don't have one defined in apache2.conf by the looks of it
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• 1315[17:57:21] <codeworm> I don't have Main DocumentRoot defined
• 1316[17:57:30] <TheBigK02> codeworm: its compiled in probably
• 1317[17:57:47] <TheBigK02> codeworm: u also need that directory to be existing or apache doesnt start
• 1318[17:57:56] <codeworm> So where do I need to put this? anywhere in apache2.conf?
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• 1320[17:58:02] <TheBigK02> codeworm: yes
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• 1322[17:58:10] <codeworm> TheBigK02: I have /var/replaced-url
• 1323[17:58:17] <jelly> codeworm, I don't see any questions of yours about apache in ##linux today, or in the last 14 days
• 1324[17:58:52] <codeworm> lol
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• 1326[17:58:57] <codeworm> I just came from there
• 1327[17:59:06] <codeworm> 30 minutes ago
• 1328[17:59:30] <codeworm> oh ##linux was for something else.. mysql xD
• 1329[17:59:32] <TheBigK02> codeworm: are u sure its not set twice or something? cause i can clearly change it
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• 1333[18:00:07] <codeworm> TheBigK02: There is not, I've searched with my beloved Vim :p
• 1334[18:00:27] <TheBigK02> codeworm: vim is cool and all but does not look in the whole directory
• 1335[18:00:43] <codeworm> I'm looking at the apache2.conf
• 1336[18:01:00] <TheBigK02> grep -R DocumentRoot /etc/apache2
• 1337[18:01:13] <TheBigK02> see if u find something else there
• 1338[18:01:30] <codeworm> only DocumentRoot mentioned is at my 2 vhosts
• 1339[18:01:43] <jelly> in any case, if you can reproduce the issue on an actual Debian system, feel free to ask here again
• 1340[18:02:02] <codeworm> jelly: Yeah, I will do
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• 1342[18:02:14] <TheBigK02> codeworm: copy ur config to a debian docker container may be... thats done pretty quick without a lot of hassle
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• 1344[18:02:51] <jelly> (but don't copy the broken apache2.conf :-)
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• 1346[18:03:10] <codeworm> TheBigK02: I've never used docker, I prefer not to, at this moment. My head is about to explode. xD
• 1347[18:03:23] <TheBigK02> codeworm: thats fine... do what u prefer
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• 1349[18:03:30] <codeworm> All day along I'm troubleshooting mysql and apache.
• 1350[18:03:38] <codeworm> for 12 hours now
• 1351[18:03:47] <codeworm> -2 I used for a nap
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• 1353[18:03:50] <TheBigK02> codeworm: start with kubernetes and u get gray hair :D
• 1354[18:03:56] <codeworm> haha
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• 1357[18:04:20] <codeworm> Maybe I will try to become a magician after all lol
• 1358[18:04:35] <TheBigK02> codeworm: thats the right mindset. u got this
• 1359[18:04:41] <codeworm> xD
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• 1361[18:05:18] <codeworm> TheBigK02: I once did rm -rf /etc on a big server
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• 1363[18:05:35] <TheBigK02> codeworm: not so bad if u have backups :)
• 1364[18:05:43] <codeworm> TheBigK02: I didn't haha
• 1365[18:05:49] <codeworm> full reinstall from the beginning
• 1366[18:05:51] <codeworm> Yeah..
• 1367[18:05:56] <TheBigK02> codeworm: then no pitty from me ;)
• 1368[18:06:08] <codeworm> And it was Arch
• 1369[18:06:12] <codeworm> cool stuff
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• 1373[18:07:46] <codeworm> TheBigK02: The response from the admin buddy ==> No, you didn't. :P
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• 1432[19:00:20] <Bugz000> hey guys, i'm just messing around with speed tests, and i notice a very strange inconsistency, i am as root, and when i launch the speedtest CLI manually.... by typing speedtest into the terminal and hit enter... i get my half-gigabit speeds as promised... but when i put the speedtest call into a bash script and call ./script.sh - i seem to cap out at around 250mbit, half speed, what on earth is going on, i've troubleshooted to the point of
• 1433[19:00:21] <Bugz000> breaking the OS so i'm now on a fresh container free of my tamperings, before i go break it again maybe there's some suggestions where to look?
• 1434[19:00:36] <Bugz000> this is broadband speedtest by ookla to be more specific
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• 1436[19:01:57] <Bugz000> i've tried niceness and ionice, i'm just so confused what could be causing this to slow down so much, i suppose i am passing the stdout to a file...
• 1437[19:02:19] <Bugz000> replaced-url
• 1438[19:02:22] <Bugz000> woops
• 1439[19:02:32] <Bugz000> well have fun that's my 3d printer... i'm sorry that wasn't meant for here lol
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• 1442[19:07:45] <karlpinc> Bugz000: A thought: You could do a tcpdump to a file and use wireshark or something to compare the results of different runs.
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• 1445[19:08:34] <karlpinc> Bugz000: (And have your device be the only thing on the network.)
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• 1448[19:09:17] <kryl> hi, do you think autossh is the best way to keep alive an ssh tunnel ? Is there a way to do it with builtin ssh options ?
• 1449[19:09:55] <Bugz000> karlpinc certainly something to consider but i'd assume i'm making a more stupid mistake than that
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• 1453[19:15:48] <somiaj> Unsure if this is the issue, but from the devs of speedtest, "Different versions of Python will execute certain parts of the code faster than others. CPU and Memory capacity and speed will play a large part in inconsistency between Speedtest.net and even other machines on the same network. Issues relating to inconsistencies will be closed as wontfix and without additional reason or context."
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• 1457[19:16:17] <somiaj> so unsure if maybe ther eis some extra overhead in your script causing this inconsistancy, though the fact that it is half is strange
• 1458[19:16:17] <JordiGH> Hm, how to install signal?
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• 1460[19:16:30] <JordiGH> Follow their instructions and enable some friggin repo that has "xenial" in its name?
• 1461[19:16:39] <JordiGH> I think I'd rather build the package myself from github.
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• 1463[19:17:00] <JordiGH> Weird it's not packaged yet. Some problem to get it into Debian?
• 1464[19:17:04] <somiaj> JordiGH: unless you know for sure the package is also compadable with debian (sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't) complining from source is probably the best.
• 1465[19:17:26] <somiaj> JordiGH: I can't find the software, can y ou provide a link (could just be no one has volunteered to make a package)
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• 1467[19:17:38] <sney> I am using the signal-desktop package from their repo and it's fine.
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• 1469[19:17:44] <JordiGH> Ugh, stupid software name "signal" why do people choose hard to search names.
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• 1471[19:18:07] <sney> replaced-url
• 1472[19:18:26] <JordiGH> somiaj: It's a pretty popular thing. There must be some discussion already. Looking for it. There probably is a unique problem. It's an electron package; maybe that's it.
• 1473[19:18:35] <sney> ,bug wnpp signal-desktop
• 1474[19:18:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1475[19:18:45] <JordiGH> Ah, thanks.
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• 1477[19:19:48] <JordiGH> Oh, great, Moxie is a hostile upstream.
• 1478[19:20:54] <JordiGH> replaced-url
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• 1481[19:23:48] <Bugz000> karlpinc ah it appears i was missing a shebang at the top of the script
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• 1502[19:43:26] <oxek> JordiGH: use the flatpak version of signal instead
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• 1517[19:53:37] <topoi> Heyho, I try to stream from a webcam to a server (can be local, so the stream gets tunneled through VPN). I already tried motion, but the framerate is quite unsatifying although I enjoy the simplicity of streaming without any fuzz (maybe due to creating JPEG's?). Regarding VLC I cannot find a decent working example that fits the need. Has anybody some hints?
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