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1[00:00:21] <magyar> jmcnaught: nothing really
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4[00:00:55] <magyar> just the cpu temperature warnings due to the process is overloading the system
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7[00:01:49] <jmcnaught> magyar: if you put your logs on replaced-url
8[00:01:52] <magyar> it almost feels like a virus, because if the systemctl sees the top is being used it stops using the cpu three seconds after, and this is every single time
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12[00:03:22] <jmcnaught> magyar: yeah it sounds pretty suspicious to me too. The process is systemctl not systemd?
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14[00:03:59] <jmcnaught> do you have any scripts that are calling systemctl on boot for some reason?
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16[00:04:12] <magyar> jmcnaught: systemctl , I was able to copy paste from the top output
17[00:04:37] <magyar> jmcnaught: not really, straight desktop install
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21[00:09:47] <trysten> Does anyone have a hint as to why vim might be struggling to delete swap files on a davfs2 mount with 'use_locks 1'?
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45[00:22:47] <un214> testing
46[00:22:53] <rant> fail
47[00:22:56] <un214> lol
48[00:22:58] <rant> :P
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50[00:23:22] <un214> so I'm stuck in single-user mode because apt-get something decided to swap sysvinit with systemd
51[00:23:35] <un214> systemd cannot and does not function on this system
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53[00:24:09] <hypn0> what is system
54[00:24:18] <un214> partsbuild from Frys
55[00:24:24] <un214> systemd is outsmarting itself
56[00:24:51] <karlpinc> un214: That's interesting. Not supposed to happen, although I guess asking apt to install systemd well, would. Stock debian sources.list?
57[00:25:00] <un214> yup
58[00:25:14] <un214> I had loaded a pin for sysvinit a few versions ago
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60[00:25:36] <un214> I think it was apt-get dist-upgrade for buster that did it
61[00:25:49] <karlpinc> un214: I don't know what the right way to do sysvinit is. Does the README.Debian say anything?
62[00:26:00] <un214> whereis?
63[00:26:03] <karlpinc> un214: Ah. Buster can be broken.
64[00:26:10] <karlpinc> !tell un214 about readme.debian
65[00:26:19] <un214> PMs aren't going to work
66[00:26:26] <karlpinc> !tell un214 about debian-next
67[00:26:32] <rant> its a very bad time to be using testing, during a freeze
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69[00:26:40] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
70[00:26:40] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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72[00:26:53] <karlpinc> !debian-next
73[00:26:53] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
74[00:27:26] <karlpinc> rant: When did the freeze start?
75[00:27:44] <rant> un214: /3 /win 3 alt+3 alt+left alt+p esc+3 etc.. etc
76[00:27:52] <rant> you can switch windows in irssi
77[00:28:10] <rant> karlpinc: soft freeze started like two weeks ago..
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79[00:28:34] <rant> karlpinc: replaced-url
80[00:28:40] <un214> so what happens to critical bugs now?
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82[00:29:37] <rant> un214: everything is still being fixed, just no new packages coming in..
83[00:30:03] <un214> right; well I've got to get sysvinit-sysv back somehow ...
84[00:30:43] <un214> systemd doesn't like / being on /dev/mapper
85[00:30:52] <rant> nonsense
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87[00:31:27] <un214> you got a better idea to deal with booting just timing out and dumping to single user?
88[00:31:29] <rant> /dev/mapper/ltx24--vg-root ext4 113G 88G 20G 82% /
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90[00:31:52] <rant> systemd works just fine with my encrypted lvm root
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92[00:32:15] <un214> I'm trying to find the right way to say it
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97[00:32:59] <un214> you're using the linux-specific dynamic partition driver right?
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99[00:33:26] <rant> the right way to say it is, you should be using debian stable and systemd or using devaun or #debian-next on OFTC and learning how to do things before going and doing crazy things on your own
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102[00:34:27] <hypn0> it seems like you didnt install properly
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110[00:41:22] <quint> Is there a way to script a change of hostname on boot? For instance, I'm trying to hash an output from dmidecode, as well as a mac address to create a string which will be used as the hostname.. Doing this in a "live boot" environment
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113[00:44:40] <un214> well I tracked down the root of the problem; almost everything depends on libpam-systemd
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118[00:46:22] <jmcnaught> for jessie and stretch systemd's README.Debian documented the correct way to switch back to sysvinit (it's not removing the systemd package) but it looks like those instructions have been removed in buster
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120[00:47:21] <un214> I'm running some tests but I think I can put it back
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122[00:48:28] <un214> I've got this program that override resolves dependencies; libpam-anything is a really good target for it
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124[00:48:59] <jmcnaught> sounds complicated, what's the program?
125[00:49:08] <un214> apt-holepunch
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127[00:49:35] <un214> its purpose is to exclude packages from metapackages
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129[00:49:57] <jmcnaught> doesn't sound like a very good idea
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133[00:50:32] <un214> yeah it should not be used for dependcies of anything other than metapackages
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135[00:51:02] <un214> ok so the correct name of the thing systemd doesn't like is dmraid
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139[00:52:55] <un214> I got sysvinit back (package name change--that's why the pin stopped working)
140[00:53:40] <un214> anybody know what a dependency chain tool is for debian?
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196[01:36:35] <tehnull> is there a font I can install to get emojis to display properly? or is this an issue with firefox? replaced-url
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204[01:39:00] <jmcnaught> tehnull: install the fonts-symbola package
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206[01:40:37] <tehnull> Aww yus thanks friend
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237[02:05:27] <Deihmos> Is there not a simple way to install nvidia drivers?
238[02:05:41] <Deihmos> All the instructions are multiple steps
239[02:06:08] <tehnull> I prefer the ones direct from nvidia
240[02:06:51] <tehnull> download them then chmod +x NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-410.93.run
241[02:07:11] <tehnull> then sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-410.93.run
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243[02:07:37] <jmcnaught> no that's dumb
244[02:07:49] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
245[02:08:04] <tehnull> the drivers in deb repos are ancient
246[02:08:06] <tehnull> that is dumb
247[02:08:10] <jmcnaught> that's the correct way, with the packages provided by Debian, so your system doesn't get borked during upgrades
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251[02:08:55] <jmcnaught> running the nvidia installer script just sprays files all over your system, apt/dpkg has no way to remove them like it can with packages
252[02:09:04] <Deihmos> I was reading that
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254[02:09:22] <tehnull> sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-410.93.run --uninstall
255[02:09:26] <tehnull> works iirc
256[02:09:29] <Deihmos> Why backports?
257[02:09:40] <Deihmos> I feel the instructions need updating
258[02:10:04] <jmcnaught> usually the version in backports is newer, it might not be currently
259[02:10:09] <jmcnaught> ,v nvidia-driver
260[02:10:10] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 384.130-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 390.87-6; stretch-backports/non-free: 390.87-8~bpo9+1; stretch/non-free: 390.87-8~deb9u1; buster/non-free: 390.87-8; experimental/non-free: 410.93-1
261[02:11:19] <jmcnaught> tehnull: does the nvidia script build its modules using DKMS now? If not, then every kernel upgrade will break the video drivers
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263[02:11:37] <tehnull> I believe it does how do I check?
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265[02:13:06] <jmcnaught> hopefully their documentation would say, otherwise I'm sure there's DKMS related stuff in /etc (I don't have anything that needs it so it's not installed here)
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303[03:02:32] <smk> hey so whats the deal with kernel 3.18, it seems all versions have gone 3.19 and I cant even find a copy in backports
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309[03:08:24] <themill> I don't think either of those kernels have ever been in a stable release.
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324[03:20:55] <smk> hi
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326[03:21:04] <smk> is anyone around to ask a question?
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329[03:24:28] <phogg> smk: seems like you are
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335[03:27:54] <phogg> smk: I don't see either of those kernels in the package pool on my favorite Debian mirror.
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344[03:32:29] <smk> :(
345[03:32:33] <smk> thanks anyways
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373[03:56:33] <cathode> hi all. i have maybe a stupid question... if i want to install a fresh install of debian 9 onto a system with two hard drives and use them in a software raid1, do i do the raid config first, then partition and install ontop of the md device, or do i partition each drive then do the md device across the partitions?
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376[03:59:40] <rwp> cathode, At installation time in the debian-install you can configure RAID1 and then install upon it. That is always what I do.
377[04:00:10] <rwp> cathode, However it isn't the most obviously to the person going through it for the first time. There are always endless questions here about how to do it.
378[04:00:41] <cathode> ok. i wasn't sure if doing raid first then install would mess up the location/offset of where the bootloader is installed
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380[04:05:37] <rwp> cathode, Unfortunately I am leaving afk for dinner right now but if you say more about what you are configuring then others would help. Basically RAID1 is a soft spot in the installation. Could be nicer. TTYL!
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383[04:07:36] <cathode> thank you
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389[04:12:59] <tehnull> my home directory is on an intel fake raid 0 (yeah I know but it works for now I guess) and so far every distro has been able to use it without formatting or repartitioning
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419[04:40:15] <rant> tehnull: it could get a lil messy when apps of different versions are reading the same dotfiles
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423[04:42:09] <tehnull> well I was able to go from cent7 (everything is ancient) to fedora 29 (that newnew) to deb 9.7 with no issues
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429[04:46:07] <cronolio> hello!
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432[04:47:29] <cronolio> when i tryng to get 3d accelerartion worked in libvirt - qemu - virtmanager i have an error libvirtd[21985]: internal error: qemu unexpectedly closed the monitor: qemu-system-x86_64: ../src/gallium/drivers/llvmpipe/lp_texture.c:499: llvmpipe_resource_get_handle: Assertion `lpr->dt' failed.
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444[04:51:39] <cronolio> exacltlt the first error is qemu-system-x86_64: egl: no drm render node available
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447[04:53:25] <cronolio> how i can setup 3d acceration in debian ?
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460[05:06:20] <cronolio> replaced-url
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470[05:20:55] <KNERD> cronolio: You have to install the non-free video drivers for the video card you have
471[05:21:42] <cronolio> nvidia-driver
472[05:22:01] <KNERD> and disable the open source one Nouveau
473[05:23:04] <KNERD> to disable the Nouveau one , you have to edit the boot configuration line you see when it first boots
474[05:23:14] <KNERD> There are lots of guides on how to do it
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476[05:24:29] <KNERD> I need to research myelf if there are Intel drivers out there.
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478[05:25:38] <cronolio> cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf
479[05:25:38] <cronolio> # You need to run "update-initramfs -u" after editing this file.
480[05:25:38] <cronolio> # see #580894
481[05:25:39] <cronolio> blacklist nouveau
482[05:25:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
483[05:25:45] <cronolio> already there
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488[05:31:46] <Deihmos> the snap store on ubuntu and debian don't have the same apps
489[05:32:09] <Deihmos> don
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491[05:33:05] <Deihmos> don't proprietary apps not show up on debian
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494[05:33:23] <Deihmos> i thought it was one snap store for all distros
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501[05:39:51] <KNERD> Deihmos: iOnly open souce apps will show up in Debin You have to edit /etc/apt/source.list and add in non-free at the end of the repos
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512[05:50:16] <Deihmos> i already have that though
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515[05:52:25] <KNERD> Yeah, Debian tries to stay all open source stuff as much as possible
516[05:53:39] <milkt> Deihmos: which package are you searching for?
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520[05:56:44] <JackFrost> snaps are different from real packages.
521[05:58:04] <Deihmos> Termius. Available as a snap on Ubuntu. Nothing on Debian
522[06:00:52] <milkt> are you looking for ssh client, or just termius
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525[06:01:58] <KNERD> Download that here replaced-url
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527[06:02:25] <KNERD> Speaking of SSH client, I wish Putty for Linux was just like the Windows version
528[06:03:20] <KNERD> i hate having to press the scroll wheel to paste, I always end up double pasting. I want right mouse button, but cannot find a setting to change that
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530[06:04:51] <milkt> try shift+insert?
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532[06:05:27] <KNERD> so much qucker just to right click
533[06:05:57] <jmcnaught> shift+ctrl+v to paste from clipboard in gnome terminal
534[06:07:43] <KNERD> but I am referring about Putty
535[06:07:45] <KNERD> SSH
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538[06:08:16] <jmcnaught> just use ssh from a terminal, lots of terminal emulators have a right mouse button context menu
539[06:08:31] <KNERD> you cannot also put in the address user@domain in it either like you can in Windows
540[06:08:51] <milkt> KNERD: you can remap button with xmodmap i think
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542[06:09:26] <rwp> I'm just the opposite. I use middle-paste or shift+insert all of the time. I *hate it* when I am stuck in an app that requires cntrl+v.
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545[06:09:57] <rwp> And then there is all of the confusion over the difference between the primary selection and the clipboard...
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550[06:11:46] <KNERD> milkt: i would think you coudl do that within the application instead of beign forced to redo the whole account
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552[06:12:14] <milkt> redo whole what account
553[06:12:32] <KNERD> login account
554[06:12:36] <rwp> If you do something like that within one application then it is only done for that one application. Doing it globally means that it would work for all apps that you run.
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556[06:12:55] <KNERD> let me check that out..
557[06:12:59] <milkt> why redo whole login account?
558[06:13:16] <rwp> I use xmodmap for keys but I didn't think xmodmap worked for mouse buttons though...
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563[06:14:48] <rwp> What are you referring to when you say user@domain works in windows but not ... somewhere else?
564[06:15:14] <KNERD> Putty
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567[06:15:53] <KNERD> it returns, "name or service not know"
568[06:16:03] <KNERD> *n
569[06:16:08] <whislock> > putty user@hostname works fine for me from cmd.
570[06:17:18] <rwp> Perhaps DNS is not resolving properly? A resolver problem?
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573[06:18:34] <KNERD> I even put IP address and get the same result
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576[06:19:50] <KNERD> whislock: I just tried it from the command line, I get same result.."name or service not known"
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578[06:20:30] <KNERD> on Debian 8 and 9
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580[06:21:02] <KNERD> even tried the binary from the official site with the newest version, and get the same thing
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586[06:22:34] <Deihmos> KNERD: got it to work. i was trying to install termius and not termius-app
587[06:22:51] <Deihmos> is there no way to make the snap apps available in the store liek they are on ubuntu?
588[06:24:24] <KNERD> You could take the application from Unbuntu and install it on Debian
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590[06:25:18] <KNERD> though I am not sure if that specific application they use to do that is open source
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592[06:29:28] <Deihmos> ubuntu uses the software store
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594[06:29:37] <Deihmos> looks the same as the debian store
595[06:30:18] <Deihmos> i guess other distros have to use the terminal. couldn't find a way to add them to the store
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606[06:35:40] <KNERD> Deihmos: Oh, I thought you were referring to a special softare store where you download special types of softare. You are referring to the Software package manger GUI
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608[06:36:07] <KNERD> Ubuntu manages their own repos where they can add what they want
609[06:36:46] <jmcnaught> ,v gnome-software-plugin-snap
610[06:36:47] <judd> Package: gnome-software-plugin-snap on amd64 -- buster: 3.30.6-4; sid: 3.30.6-4
611[06:37:05] <jmcnaught> looks like buster's gnome software will support snap
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614[06:37:30] <KNERD> oh, snap
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652[07:09:11] <perseiver> Hello All, I need to specify DSCP class on network packet. Here is link of DSCP class and Quality of service
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654[07:09:25] <perseiver> replaced-url
655[07:09:40] <perseiver> replaced-url
656[07:10:05] <perseiver> Is there a way in Debian to mark the packet with DSCP class with cS1
657[07:10:22] <perseiver> Any help or suggestion will be appreciated
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662[07:15:22] <penpatde> maintainers and developers upload, ftp masters approve and the buildds bake the packages. but when updates happen (security, etc.) the installed packages are not rebuilt, right? does that mean the new arrivals are linked to old packages?
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813[09:12:31] <Asharas> Hi everyone! I'm trying to preseed postfix installation with debconf-get-selections. So far I have what I need to do it, but in a wider context, is there a way to list the question names/type that can be answered by debconf-get-selections?
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911[10:16:55] <laidback_01> hello, I have a question. I've been allocated a /29 by my ISP. I have ~40 machines in the library, and would like to have them "fairly" use the public IPs for NAT. Meaning, I don't want every machine to look like it's coming from a single IP, but rather from any of the available address... but keeping sessions operational - if they open a connection to the bank, I want the session to 'stick'
912[10:16:59] <laidback_01> to that IP if possible.
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916[10:17:46] <laidback_01> I don't know what this is called, and I know it's not debian specific, but... you guys rock ;) I'm sure this is a google-able thing, but mostly I need to know what the terms are for what I'm trying to do.
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919[10:18:41] <__m4ch1n3__> how do i setup my debian to use dns over https?
920[10:18:44] <laidback_01> I realize this is a NAT to an IP range... and the IPs are all aliased, save for the first one.
921[10:18:53] <__m4ch1n3__> e.g google or claudflare
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923[10:19:53] <blackflow> laidback_01: I must ask, why would you want that? That sounds totally shady. That said, I'm not sure it's even possible. a tcp session (flow) is bound to src-ip:src-port:dst-ip:dst-port. there simply is no way to split a session across multiple IPs seamlessly wihtout support of higher OSI level protocols (eg, like ssh roaming does but over udp)
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926[10:20:56] <blackflow> __m4ch1n3__: you need a resolver capable of it. iirc, systemd-resolved (from newer-ish systemd) is one of 'em
927[10:21:01] <laidback_01> No, I'm not trying to be shady. Okay, so you can NAT a single IP to allow your 30 users to use the internet over the single IP. What i'm running into is this: Netflix gets all bent about too many sessions per IP.
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933[10:21:19] <laidback_01> so I'm trying to split the load of the internal IPs amongst the available public IPs given to me
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936[10:21:57] <laidback_01> so about 15 people start watching netflix (library, I know, but i can't stop them from doing it, I have to make sure it all works)
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938[10:22:24] <blackflow> laidback_01: why not statically bind the 40 machines to those 6 ips
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940[10:22:57] <laidback_01> then the 16th or 17th gets a message about abuse or spam or something. I asked the ISP for more IPs, and got them.
941[10:23:10] <blackflow> that's like ~7 machines per IP, surely netflix won't object (assuming each is its own Netflix account, or shared but PAID to be shared)
942[10:23:13] <laidback_01> because it seems like this should not be overly difficuly.
943[10:24:00] <blackflow> it's very much impossible -- in the context of what you're saying
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947[10:24:48] <laidback_01> heh, I guess I'll go back to pf. it's easy there. was trying to keep this all in debian... iptables can't do what's a simple task in pf. interesting.
948[10:24:58] <blackflow> it might be possible to have a balancer of sorts that redirects every new flow to a different outbound IP, but you'll still have the same problem, 40 computers sharing 6 ips
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951[10:25:25] <blackflow> what is easy in pf? doesn't sound like you described what you're doing properly, because from what you said, that's impossible without protocol support
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953[10:25:56] <laidback_01> in pf, you setup sticky sessions, and point ranges of internal ips to be natted
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955[10:26:25] <blackflow> and then what happens? every new flow is NAT'ed differently?
956[10:26:34] <laidback_01> nevermind. I'll do it there. it's just I don't know iptables, am just going to use pf. it's simple, was working there, time to bring back the openbsd machine.
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959[10:27:04] <blackflow> a load of bs.
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968[10:30:51] <jelly> iptables is out anyway, nft ftw
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971[10:32:56] <blackflow> and sounds like the "SAME" target (-j SAME) of iptables is what's needed. first result for "iptables round robin SNAT"
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973[10:33:40] <jelly> they're gone
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976[10:33:53] <blackflow> I know. assuming what they wanted was automatic spread of flows --- but they'd still have the very same problem, 40 machines to only 6 ips.
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978[10:35:07] <jelly> should've asked in #Netfilter anyway
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988[10:40:56] <laidback_01> hey, I mispoke earlier, and reacted badly because I didn't like being called 'shady' or whatever. in pf, it's related to being multi-wan, and you can use policy routing or (easier) static routes out and choose whichever gateway. now, when I ran aliases on the nic, I do recall they changed for the 'what is my ip' query.. but ... whatgever
989[10:41:04] <laidback_01> anyway, I apologize for being rude.
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991[10:41:08] <laidback_01> have a good night
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995[10:42:49] <blackflow> post and run, still being rude. and I wasn't calling any ONE shady, I called the use case shady. too bad they recognized themSELVES in that.
996[10:43:03] <jelly> !next
997[10:43:03] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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999[10:43:22] <jelly> THAT's rude!
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1005[10:45:10] <diamante> Hello :)
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1008[10:45:26] <diamante> Who use dd command for make a backup of hdd ?
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1012[10:46:32] <jelly> !ask
1013[10:46:33] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1014[10:46:44] <diamante> hello jelly :)
1015[10:46:51] <diamante> I have this situazione :)
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1020[10:47:39] <diamante> I have some file on a disk - i need to compress this file in (Backup_PC.gz) and copy this file on another hdd
1021[10:48:05] <petn-randall> diamante: At which part of your own research did you get stuck?
1022[10:50:01] <wyoung> diamante: Do it!
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1025[10:51:40] <diamante> petn-randall: morning. First step: Compress File --> How i can compress this big file? "tar -xvz file.tg" ?
1026[10:51:49] <diamante> wyoung: i want! :P
1027[10:51:59] <diamante> *gz
1028[10:52:55] <blackflow> diamante: check the gzip(1) manpage. you don't really need tar for single file.
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1030[10:54:40] <blackflow> diamante: note the -k flag, and you can redir the output directly to a new file on the "other hdd" mountpoint, which is faster if the file is rather big
1031[10:54:52] <diamante> nice
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1033[10:56:58] <wyoung> diamante: tar zcvf yoFile.tar.gz files* someDir/someOtherFiles*
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1036[10:58:23] <diamante> wyoung: i try
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1043[11:00:35] <wyoung> diamante: How you go?
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1045[11:00:55] <diamante> good /media/nas# tar zcvf Download_Chrome.tar.gz "Download Chrome"/ Download Chrome/ Download Chrome/This is London.mp4 Download Chrome/Log/ Download Chrome/Log/HttpDownloader.log Download Chrome/tsetup.1.5.15.exe
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1049[11:03:36] <wyoung> diamante: looks like you forgot to escape the spaces
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1052[11:04:47] <blackflow> and that first dir makes the others obsolete.
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1054[11:05:38] <blackflow> s/obsolete/redundant/
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1060[11:14:18] <wyoung> blackflow: yup
1061[11:14:24] <wyoung> diamante: Try again :)
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1063[11:15:03] <blackflow> nice carnival ride from "dd backup entire hdd", through "how do I compress a file" to actually tarring a dir, though. next: that ain't even debian but WSL and the real dir is "C:\\Program and Files\Download Chrome" :)
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1076[11:23:28] <petn-randall> jelly argued in the past that we at least support the userspace part of Debian WSL in here. I'm rather indifferent to the issue.
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1080[11:24:50] <diamante> wyoung: i need to restart tar ?
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1085[11:26:55] <shtrb> Debian WSL is supported here? oh this is going to be fun :D
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1087[11:29:37] <penpatde> what means WSL when i may ask?
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1092[11:31:02] <penpatde> something like wine?
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1095[11:31:23] <petn-randall> Windows Subsystem for Linux: It allows running Linux userspace from within Windows 10.
1096[11:31:44] <penpatde> oh, the other way around. like cygwin then
1097[11:31:48] <petn-randall> Oh, this exists:
1098[11:31:50] <petn-randall> !wsl
1099[11:31:50] <dpkg> replaced-url
1100[11:31:52] <Logg> it's a subsystem.
1101[11:32:00] <penpatde> cool
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1103[11:35:05] <shtrb> penpatde, windows subsystem for linux . think of a better cygwin
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1107[11:40:28] <penpatde> yup
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1109[11:41:28] <shtrb> I'm little bit slow with responses :D
1110[11:41:49] * Haohmaru overclocks shtrb
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1143[11:52:19] <meistarin> How do I install firefox on terminal? Tried various things without any luck
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1149[11:54:19] <blackflow> Meistarin: `apt install firefox-esr` ?
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1153[11:54:55] <Meistarin> Ahh thanks
1154[11:55:06] <Meistarin> Had like install firefox and was going mad because it doidnt work
1155[11:55:11] <blackflow> `apt search --names-only firefox` .... `apt install firefox<tab>` .... next time you're trying to guess a package name ;)
1156[11:55:38] <Meistarin> Thanks :) GOt that noted now. Linux is great I guess, just need to figure things out
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1158[11:55:44] <blackflow> yup. :)
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1205[12:43:54] <Haohmaru> or click your way thru Synaptic ;P~
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1214[12:47:03] <James123> Hello, I have an old laptop with debian installed, but the battery is not charging (basically it doesn't power on without the charger). Do you think this is due to a wrong setting somewhere, or the battery is faulty?
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1223[12:56:02] <n_1-c_k> James123: maybe try the package 'tlp', it might show you more about the battery.
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1225[12:56:30] <James123> n_1-c_k: Thanks! I will try it
1226[12:57:15] <n_1-c_k> James123: I'm afraid if I had to bet, it would be 'dead battery' - but g'luck.
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1245[13:11:23] <petn-randall> I'm also putting my money on "dead battery", it would at least get to the BIOS otherwise.
1246[13:12:14] <jpmh> I am trying to install unoconv, by entering: sudo apt-get install unoconv, I am getting a 404 error: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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1250[13:14:57] <petn-randall> jpmh: Try running 'sudo apt update' before.
1251[13:15:52] <jpmh> petn-randall: I had done that - I am in th habit of running that BEFORE anything - it helps so often
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1253[13:16:15] <petn-randall> !bat
1254[13:16:15] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1255[13:16:20] <jpmh> as I say, it appears that there was an issue at the other end generating the 404
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1257[13:16:33] <petn-randall> jpmh: Can you provide all of the info above in a single paste? ^^^
1258[13:16:51] <Hypfer> Is there a simple way to just forward all mails on a system to a single email address?
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1260[13:17:04] <Hypfer> e.g. some raspberry pi lying around somewhere
1261[13:17:05] <jpmh> petn-randall: as I say - now fixed itelse and I allowed that sessin to close
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1263[13:17:18] <Hypfer> obviously by using some mail relay which is trusted
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1271[13:21:11] <petn-randall> jpmh: Yes, that's the symptom, but likely not the cause of the issue.
1272[13:21:22] <petn-randall> That's why I asked for details.
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1275[13:22:01] <petn-randall> Hypfer: You likely want to use a nullmailer:
1276[13:22:18] <petn-randall> !nullmailer
1277[13:22:18] <dpkg> i guess nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). replaced-url
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1282[13:24:02] <jpmh> petn-randall: O appreciate that - sadly I assumed that was the problem and so one I got waht I wanted I just closed the session so have nothing further
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1284[13:24:20] <jpmh> petn-randall: I even tried a remove and a reinstall and all works now
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1288[13:25:24] <jpmh> petn-randall: one thing I have noticed since I have upgraded to debian from ununtu is that it now uses ipv6 for apt-get and this does SOMETIMES seem to be an issue
1289[13:26:56] <Hypfer> nice thanks petn-randall
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1319[13:38:20] <darxmurf> I configured a SMB server with SSSD and linked to the ActiveDirectory at work. I can connect the shares with windows computers without problems using DOMAIN\username and my password. But why OSX machines needs to use FULL.DOMAIN.TLD\username ? it does not work for them with the FLAT domain name, can't find why
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1332[13:44:16] <diamante> Hi, i have this situation:
1333[13:44:17] <diamante> replaced-url
1334[13:44:40] <diamante> When i try to use fdisk on /dev/sdb1
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1336[13:44:57] <diamante> I have this error: The partition table has been altered. Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. Re-reading the partition table failed.: Argomento non valido The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot or after you run partprobe(8) or kpartx(8).
1337[13:45:15] <jelly> diamante: use fdisk on whole disk only, so: /dev/sdb, and NOT /dev/sdb1
1338[13:45:36] <jelly> unless you know exactly what you're doing
1339[13:46:46] <petn-randall> *use fdisk only when you know exactly what you're doing
1340[13:47:09] <jelly> that's not really always an option
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1342[13:47:43] <petn-randall> +or have backups ;)
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1350[13:54:47] <diamante> jelly: yes :) this is my situation replaced-url
1351[13:54:53] <diamante> I'm ok now :)
1352[13:55:06] <diamante> I need to make second step [procedure plan]
1353[13:55:38] <diamante> In /media/nas i have this "file" XXX.tar.gz and i need to copy this file in /media/backup
1354[13:55:48] <diamante> I can use, in this case, DD or resync ?^
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1356[14:00:46] <jelly> diamante: you may use either to jsut a copy a file.
1357[14:00:56] <jelly> or cp. or something else.
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1359[14:01:37] <diamante> jelly: next step - make a script.
1360[14:02:08] <diamante> jelly: in auto-procedure its so better cp or ?
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1366[14:05:57] <jelly> diamante: whatever you know how to use (best).
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1396[14:29:57] <incal> how do I recursively go thru my home dir and copy all text files to a specified dir? If source files technically are text files as well I guess it is OK to base the command on the .txt extension, as beside that there are only a few exceptions (e.g., README, TODO, and such)
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1402[14:32:11] <ksk> "find . -name '*.txt' -exec cp {} /path/to/somedir/ \;"
1403[14:32:22] <petn-randall> incal: What if you have two files with the same name?
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1405[14:32:35] <ksk> note that "a file ending with .txt" is also a weak indicator.
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1410[14:34:06] <incal> ksk: do you have a better idea?
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1412[14:35:17] <incal> petn-randall: won't cp in ksk's command ask before overwrite, and then one can pinpoint the files with the same name
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1415[14:36:33] <ksk> no it would not.
1416[14:37:14] <incal> should be a cp option for that
1417[14:37:27] <ksk> if you would need all this, please re-state your question :>
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1419[14:37:53] <incal> cp -i ?
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1421[14:38:48] <incal> cp -iv
1422[14:39:50] <incal> find ~ -name '*.txt' -exec cp -iv {} path \;
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1424[14:40:19] * petn-randall recommends a backup before trying.
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1427[14:41:44] <incal> nah, what's the worst thing that can happen?
1428[14:42:43] <incal> anyway thanks guys
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1435[14:45:25] <JustASlacker> you open a gateway to hell and doom us all!
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1440[14:46:38] <Bjornn> !upgrade
1441[14:46:38] <dpkg> Upgrades keep your box from getting r00ted and reboots let you run new kernels. Stop obsessing about uptime already. It's not 1996. Refresh the lists of available packages "apt update", and then an "apt upgrade". Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <jessie->stretch>.
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1443[14:47:27] <Bjornn> !sid
1444[14:47:27] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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1466[15:03:14] <ksk> if you into uptime-porn I sugest going to cluster level, and count service uptime ;)
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1481[15:12:22] <jelly> ksk: how many seconds of downtime does it count as downtime, there
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1549[15:52:10] <BCMM> on systemd, what's the right way to make sure that boot still completes if an external disk is missing? i have tried adding nofail to the options in fstab, but that seems to result in systemd mounting the disk later in the boot process, breaking things like nfsd
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1551[15:53:21] <BCMM> without nofail, a failure to mount the disk results in boot not completing (so i can't ssh in and fix whatever problem is stopping it from mounting the disk). *with* nofail, things like the nfs server get started before the disk gets mounted.
1552[15:54:26] <incal> ksk and petn-randall: FTR the command works great and does not overwrite with the cp -i option, one can also use regexps to get files that have filenames with only numbers (e.g., nnml mails), all upcase (README, TODO) and so on. Great :)
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1554[15:55:20] <SerajewelKS> BCMM: it might make more sense to have the services that depend on that mount to depend on the mount unit
1555[15:55:53] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: that's the workaround i've seen suggested, but that seems kind of a weird way to approach it when the default behaviour appears to be to mount disks before starting daemons anyway
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1557[15:56:20] <SerajewelKS> BCMM: i agree in some sense. in another sense, if the mount fails then we don't want to start nfsd anyway, right?
1558[15:56:22] <BCMM> and it runs the risk that i'll install some other daemon and forget that it needs the disk
1559[15:56:50] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: that does make some sense (but on the other hand, nfs won't do anything harmful, it will just fail to start)
1560[15:57:08] <SerajewelKS> right. so i'm not sure why that's a weird approach.
1561[15:57:13] <SerajewelKS> that's the systemd way, apparently
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1564[15:57:35] <Psyndrome> hi
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1566[15:58:37] <Psyndrome> Anyone knows why FireFox is lagging so badly on pretty much everything you do online?
1567[15:59:08] <SerajewelKS> Psyndrome: could be slow internet access, low free RAM, misbehaving extension... any number of things
1568[15:59:12] <radmuskai> Has anybody tried Debian stable with 8th gen Intel processor with integrated graphics? Wondering if the kernel is ready (or maybe only requirea the version on backports)
1569[15:59:20] <SerajewelKS> Psyndrome: try on a clean profile and see if the problem still happens
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1575[16:00:17] <Tenkawa> SerajewelKS: did you see the in channel messages i directed to you my time last night
1576[16:00:20] <Tenkawa> ?
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1578[16:00:42] <Psyndrome> Well the thing is i was wondering what is going on so i realized its the browser and started using SeaMonkey instead and the problem went away
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1581[16:01:32] <Tenkawa> SerajewelKS: the replacement actual decent usb thumb drive fixed the speed problem
1582[16:02:06] <Tenkawa> I replaced that Sandisk with s Samsung , cloned the system and now it flies
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1584[16:02:13] <Tenkawa> er s/a
1585[16:02:35] <jelly> radmuskai: judging by occasional queries on this channel you probably need kernel (and firmware) from backports
1586[16:02:53] <Tenkawa> from what I read I wasnt the only one having this problem with these usb drives
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1588[16:03:30] <radmuskai> jelly: thanks
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1592[16:06:43] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: well, ok. what's the right way of making those services depend on the disk being mounted? will i end up with something that i have to re-write if the service file changes in an update?
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1620[16:20:37] <wargreen> hi here
1621[16:20:57] <mattsup> Hi there
1622[16:21:20] <rant> no need to brag :P
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1624[16:21:41] <wargreen> after a try to boot debian 9.3 live on a macbook air, the computer don't seem try to boot. The power button don't seem to do anything... is it a know problem ? What can i try ?
1625[16:21:51] <wargreen> hey mattsup !
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1627[16:22:15] <mattsup> wargreen: doing good ? :)
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1630[16:22:44] <rant> wargreen: does it make a sound when you turn it on?
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1632[16:23:08] <wargreen> rant, not sound at all
1633[16:23:25] <ksk> on macbooks you can press the power button like really long to do some kind of hard-reset afaik.
1634[16:23:28] <wargreen> it is plugegnd and cherger is green
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1636[16:23:56] <wargreen> oops i've misstyped !
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1640[16:24:22] <wargreen> i've try to push the power button +10s, no change
1641[16:25:16] <rant> wargreen: there is also a SMC Firmware reset where you press Shift+Control+Option+Power all at the same time
1642[16:25:55] <rant> wargreen: replaced-url
1643[16:25:56] <wargreen> mattsup, fine but this mac... sorry, fine but apple...
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1645[16:26:09] <wargreen> rant, i've tryed this also :)
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1647[16:26:45] <rant> sounds like you need a "genius" :P
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1650[16:27:13] <mattsup> I have a question on dpkg-sig : I'm trying to automate signing during a repository build, and I tried all I could find on the net about using dpkg-sig -g '--passphrase-file /path/to/pass' --sign builder /path/to/.deb, but I still get a error code 512. I'm using gpg 2.2.4. Any ideas of how to proceed ?
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1655[16:29:27] <wargreen> rant, humpf... what can have be done by this debian live usb key !?
1656[16:30:36] <rant> wargreen: who knows.. I have very little experience with mac and what little I have is from the old Motorola or PPC mac from back in my grade school.. the newer intel ones afaik have complex firmware in them.. so no telling what happened
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1661[16:31:16] <rant> I'd have never used a live on a mac.. I'd have first read carefully the debian wiki on the model, and installed the system according to the instructions
1662[16:32:10] <rant> I wouldnt think the live would even boot on it
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1664[16:32:57] <SwedeMike> wargreen: fn button plus power button if you want to force-poweroff a mac (if you think that's the state it's in)
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1668[16:36:11] <wargreen> SwedeMike, don't seem do anything...
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1672[16:37:36] <mattsup> Anyone for some fun on fiddling with gpg options and unattended .deb signing ? :)
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1693[16:49:04] <wargreen> ... i can't imagine have bricked a computer when tryed to boot debian... !
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1745[17:11:38] <Hypfer> is there a way to generate an email if new dmesg loglines with a severity of at least error arrive?
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1782[17:25:22] <darxmurf> Huh, I have one machine on 20 in a NIS domain which says "User XXXX not allowed because shell does not exist" when I try to ssh on it
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1784[17:25:28] <darxmurf> with same config as the others
1785[17:25:45] <greycat> make sure their shell is listed in /etc/shells
1786[17:25:55] <darxmurf> it's /bin/bash
1787[17:26:01] <darxmurf> it's a super classic config
1788[17:26:13] <greycat> You and I have very differing definitions of "super classic".
1789[17:26:18] <darxmurf> why the "shell" is empty in the logs ?
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1792[17:26:25] <darxmurf> ^^
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1794[17:26:44] <greycat> maybe you've got some trailing whitespace in the passwd file or in the NIS map?
1795[17:27:24] <greycat> ending with a : to use the default shell is acceptable, but ending with ": " might be a problem
1796[17:28:28] <darxmurf> damn I kicked out a few TAB from there but there was still a white space
1797[17:28:38] <darxmurf> pfff long day :-x
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1799[17:28:52] <darxmurf> thanks!
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1807[17:31:01] <jelly> darxmurf: what does "getent passwd usernameaffected" say on that machine, and is it the same as on a machine that works
1808[17:31:18] <darxmurf> it was correct, that's the point
1809[17:31:33] <jelly> oh. It looked correct :-)
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1812[17:31:56] <darxmurf> the issue was just a stupid "space" after the +:::::: in the /etc/passwd file
1813[17:32:20] <jelly> that kind of looks like a squid
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1815[17:33:20] <greycat> more like a shooting star
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1818[17:34:44] <darxmurf> I would shoot it, squid or star
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1821[17:35:13] <darxmurf> :D
1822[17:35:18] <darxmurf> time to go back home anyway
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1824[17:35:36] <darxmurf> before I start to fight again with this smb configuration :-x
1825[17:35:45] <darxmurf> see you !
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1894[18:27:43] <jken> How can I pull the kernel config used to compile a debian kernel? I am running debian stretch with the backported 4.19 kernel from stretch-backports. /proc/config* does not exist, and `modprobe configs` throws an error about module configs not found in /lib/modules
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1901[18:28:42] <shtrb> jken, /boot/config-$(uname -r) for the current one
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1903[18:29:23] <jken> shtrb, aha! thank you
1904[18:30:00] <de-facto> Hey, im trying to get OpenLDAP working on stretch, but i cant connect to configure it: e.g. "ldapsearch -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -b "cn=config"" results in "ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Can't contact LDAP server (-1)"
1905[18:30:19] <de-facto> any thoughts on how its possible to configure OpenLDAP on Debian?
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1914[18:32:55] <shtrb> de-facto, trying with connecting directly with -h host:port ? and making sure it's really up on the expected port ?
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1916[18:33:32] <de-facto> "ldapsearch -Y EXTERNAL -h ldapi://127.0.0.1:389/ -b "cn=config"" is just the same
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1921[18:35:03] <de-facto> shtrb, do you know if there is some sasl magic necessary to be able to configure it?
1922[18:35:43] <karlpinc> de-facto: What does "just the same" mean? if you "telnet 127.0.0.1 389" does it connect?
1923[18:35:55] <shtrb> no, ldapsearch -h 127.0.0.1:381 ... (without the ldapi)
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1925[18:37:25] <de-facto> "netstat -tlpn" shows me its listening on 127.0.0.1:389 (i changed this in /etc/default/slapd as i didnt want it to be open to the internet...)
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1930[18:41:13] <de-facto> so its still complaining about "SASL(-4): no mechanism available:": replaced-url
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1936[18:42:17] <de-facto> i started with "apt install slapd ldap-utils ldapscripts" as in replaced-url
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1938[18:42:36] <shtrb> de-facto, what if you use a predefined user ? ldapsearch -D "uid=defacto,ou=People,dc=example,dc=com" -h 127.0.0.1:389 -b "cn=config"
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1941[18:43:37] <de-facto> there is no user yet, im trying to setup memberof overlay to define some groups
1942[18:45:16] <de-facto> there is just cn=admin,dc=example,dc=com afaik
1943[18:46:10] <de-facto> but that one needs a password (which i did set with dpkg-reconfigure slapd)
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1945[18:46:38] <de-facto> im still trying to bootstrap it... there are no groups or people yet
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1947[18:47:23] <de-facto> i want ot set it up for inetOrgPerson with groupOfNames and memberOf
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1958[18:53:02] <de-facto> it seems there are no config files anymore: "Since version 2.4.23-3 the configuration of OpenLDAP has been changed to /etc/ldap/slapd.d by default."
1959[18:53:15] <de-facto> the wiki says "dapsearch -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -b "cn=config"" should work, but thats not true...
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1987[19:13:15] <EdePopede> hi. what is the default tool on debian to work on images on the shell? i want to cut off some parts of an image but don't feel like starting or even installing gimp. ah, has something to do with imagemagick.
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1989[19:13:40] <greycat> convert(1) perhaps
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1992[19:14:13] <muhaha> From which package comes /etc/xdg/autostart _
1993[19:14:14] <muhaha> _
1994[19:14:19] <EdePopede> resize, blur, crop, despeckle, dither, draw on, flip, join, re-sample........ yes, that's it, thanks
1995[19:14:20] <muhaha> sry
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1998[19:16:30] <anonyan> is there any way to reinstall all packages and default configs of a stable release?
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2001[19:16:51] <petn-randall> anonyan: To accomplish what exactly?
2002[19:17:04] <petn-randall> I guess you're looking for
2003[19:17:08] <petn-randall> !confmiss
2004[19:17:08] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
2005[19:17:29] <petn-randall> anonyan: Otherwise the shortest way is probably just reinstalling.
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2008[19:19:09] <SerajewelKS> anonyan: sounds like you want to store the dpkg selections somewhere, reinstall, then set the selections back. that would give you a 100% clean system with only files from packages. obviously you lose all customizations and user files.
2009[19:19:18] <greycat> !debian clone
2010[19:19:18] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
2011[19:19:24] <SerajewelKS> yeah that ^
2012[19:19:34] <greycat> dpkg, clone is <reply> see debian clone
2013[19:19:34] <dpkg> ...but clone is already something else...
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2015[19:19:50] <anonyan> stop. I may no simlpy reinstall conflicted packages? i enable some unstable repos which upgraded some system libs, configs. after disabling unstable repo, that packages marked as [local] insteal stable
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2018[19:20:15] <SerajewelKS> ah so it's a frakendebian
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2020[19:20:29] <greycat> dpkg, clone =~ s/cloning/cloning or see <debian clone> to make a copy of an existing system's packages/
2021[19:20:29] <SerajewelKS> the packages marked local aren't the only ones that may be problematic
2022[19:20:29] <dpkg> greycat: OK
2023[19:21:20] <SerajewelKS> AIUI the "local" packages are packages that don't exist at all in stable. there may be many others that you'd have to downgrade. note that downgrading packages usually works but isn't supported; it might break on some packages.
2024[19:21:49] <greycat> anonyan: your FIRST mistake was mixing unstable with anything else. Your SECOND mistake was trying to remove the unstable source.
2025[19:22:05] <greycat> You either run stable, or you run testing, or you run unstable. Pick ONE.
2026[19:22:22] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
2027[19:22:22] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
2028[19:22:37] <anonyan> i forget about chroot.1, it's my big mistake
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2030[19:22:55] <SerajewelKS> the only clean way to get back to stable is to reinstall the system
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2033[19:26:58] <anonyan> I would gladly reinstall for reliability, but I don’t know how. the entire disk slice (except / boot, separately) is encrypted with dm-crypt, and under it lvm volumes with separated /home, /, /usr, /opt, /var /tmp and swapfs
2034[19:28:04] <petn-randall> anonyan: Backup the data on a separate disk, and then just do a clean reinstall.
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2040[19:31:20] <anonyan> ok, try to clean reinstall, but without repartering/reencrypting disk space. haven't additional hd
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2043[19:31:36] <anonyan> thx
2044[19:31:38] <greycat> How are you backing up your data now?
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2049[19:32:13] <anonyan> yeah, its backed, but recovering it is so slow process
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2073[19:48:05] <PhotoJim> Hi. When Debian unpacks a .deb file during an apt command, where are the unpacked files stored during installation? I have a broken package and want to look at the files to try to diagnose it.
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2075[19:48:47] <jken> /var/cache/apt and /var/cache/apt/partial
2076[19:48:59] <jken> depending on whether the download was complete or not
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2078[19:49:18] <PhotoJim> the download is complete, but I don't want the .deb file, but rather the individual files that the system extracted from the .deb file.
2079[19:49:26] <jken> sorry, /var/cache/apt/archives and /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
2080[19:49:28] <PhotoJim> it must have a working directory.
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2082[19:50:03] <PhotoJim> ... /var/cache/apt/partial is empty for me, and /var/cache/apt only has the .deb files
2083[19:50:28] <PhotoJim> I'd like to go where the system unpacked the .deb file in question. it's not re-unpacking when I try to resume the installation, so the files are sitting somewhere.
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2099[19:59:47] <greycat> an strace of an apt-get --reinstall install shows me 7085 chdir("/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci" <unfinished ...>
2100[20:00:00] <greycat> shortly before an exec of tar
2101[20:00:03] <greycat> Good luck.
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2125[20:14:58] <BCMM> what's the right way to make a systemd unit depend on another systemd unit? as a user, rather than as a package maintainer. (i have a problem with systemd trying to start services before the requisite disk is mounted)
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2128[20:17:32] <ksk> BCMM: see systemd docs of unit files: BEFORE= and AFTER= statements should do.
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2131[20:18:42] <BCMM> ksk: i'm not sure where to start on those docs. do i need to write a unit file for this? how does it interact with the package-provided unit file for the service?
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2135[20:20:27] <ksk> you can edit it in place via "systemctl edit $YOUR.service" - it will create a copy which has priority over the one shipped via packages.
2136[20:20:59] <jmcnaught> BCMM: a good place to start is systemd.unit(5) which explains paths and overrides and the basic directives
2137[20:21:08] <BCMM> thanks.
2138[20:21:49] <ksk> BCMM: replaced-url
2139[20:22:14] <BCMM> so this would work by, basically, duplicating the unit file? if the package is updated, do i need to be vigilant for any change to the unit file, and copy them over to my overriding version?
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2142[20:23:44] <BCMM> oh, and would it make more sense to edit the unit files for the daemon, or to edit the unit file for mounting the disk? could i use WantedBy to just have a list, in one place, of stuff that shouldn't get started until the disk is mounted?
2143[20:23:57] <jmcnaught> BCMM: units in /etc/systemd have priority over package provided ones in /lib/systemd. Additionally you can also use run-parts style /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/bar.conf files as drop-ins
2144[20:24:22] <BCMM> jmcnaught: sorry, i didn't understand that last part at all
2145[20:24:59] <jmcnaught> BCMM: instead of duplicating a whole unit file in /etc/systemd you can make a smaller file that only overrides a few directives
2146[20:25:22] <jmcnaught> it's covered in more detail in systemd.unit(5)
2147[20:25:54] <BCMM> ah, i see. so i could use a file like that to add a requirement ("Wants"?) without preventing future changes to the original units file from taking effect?
2148[20:26:16] <jmcnaught> yeah
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2151[20:26:43] <BCMM> thanks, that seems to make a bit more sense than duplicating the whole thing
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2154[20:26:58] <n_1-c_k> jmcnaught, BCMM: a proviso is that "After" is additive so if you need to reset it, not just add, you do need to override the entire unit file. A .d/ fragement isn't sufficient.
2155[20:27:15] <PhotoJim> greycat: Thanks - I'll have a peek there as soon as I get a few minutes to work on my problem :) I appreciate the help.
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2157[20:27:25] <BCMM> n_1-c_k: thanks. i think i only need to add to it, though
2158[20:27:26] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
2159[20:27:27] <SanchoPensa> I am looking to start an open source project, and a rather substantial one too. would you please point me the way, how to proceed with that?
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2164[20:28:19] <n_1-c_k> BCMM: lucky you :) It was perplexing for me to discover that, the man page doesn't cover it adequately in my opinion.
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2169[20:30:14] <BCMM> can i achieve this by putting RequiredBy in a drop-in for the mount unit, rather than making drop-ins for every single service that uses the disk?
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2172[20:31:29] <jmcnaught> BCMM: if it's for a mount unit you could look at systemd.mount(5) for directives you can put inside /etc/fstab instead of a unit file
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2175[20:33:10] <BCMM> jmcnaught: oh, thanks for that! i've been struggling with fstab examples containing stuff that's not listed in the fstab man page
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2177[20:34:58] <BCMM> this all started because nofail changes the order of things even when there is no failure, and now i actually have docs that explain that
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2180[20:37:05] <Greyztar> any way of setting default sound output from terminal?Tried modprobe blacklist but no difference
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2183[20:39:31] <n_1-c_k> Greyztar: if you're using pulseaudio, try pactl(1). Disclaimer, haven't done that myself, it may or may not work.
2184[20:40:19] <Greyztar> n_1-c_k: im using alsa though, ill try installing pulse and see
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2191[20:49:53] <BCMM> jmcnaught: adding "x-systemd.before=nfs-server" to fstab has not had the desired effect. am i right in understanding that before only influences start order, rather than requiring that a unit actually successfully finishes startup before another unit is started?
2192[20:50:20] <aloo_shu> Greyztar: I think alsamixer also allows to list and pick cards per F-keys
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2194[20:51:12] <Greyztar> aloo_shu: it seems so ,just cant figure out setting default though :/
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2197[20:53:09] <aloo_shu> may need to dig into alsa's conf file & it's stucture then, but there's also alsactl for reloading config and stuff
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2199[20:53:47] <aloo_shu> if alsa can't see the right card, pulse will fail
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2201[20:54:21] <Greyztar> aloo_shu: ill have to see,googling didnt do much,alsa sees the card,i just cant figure out set it as default though
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2203[20:55:35] <aloo_shu> dunno if alsa accepts a reconfigure per dpkg, could be a way to force it to wtite a fresh conffile
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2207[20:56:36] <Greyztar> aloo_shu: im a novice though so if it gets to techy ill might have to pass on it,ill give google a try again o/
2208[20:56:59] <aloo_shu> or ask sbdy else here, gtg
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2224[21:05:27] <jmcnaught> BCMM: is x-systemd.before one of the directives? Or do you want x-systemd.requires?
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2226[21:06:22] <BCMM> jmcnaught: wouldn't that cause the mount unit to depend on something, not be depended on by that thing? (if you see what i mean)
2227[21:06:25] <Henry151> howdy #debian
2228[21:06:52] <BCMM> jmcnaught: i want to make sure the filesystem is mounted before the nfs server is started, basically
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2232[21:07:13] <Henry151> I'm going nuts over here, maybe someone can help. I'm on a Lenovo p51 and I had it working with my HDMI display previously, but had a data loss happen and somehow lost the work i had put into it, and can't remember how i got it working before
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2234[21:08:30] <Henry151> previously this command would work: xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --auto --left-of eDP1
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2237[21:08:39] <Henry151> to enable the HDMI display
2238[21:08:54] <Henry151> now it says "output HDMI1 not found; ignoring"
2239[21:08:57] <jmcnaught> BCMM: oh then maybe the fstab directives won't apply in this case, you be able to use RequiresMountsFor= in an override or drop-in for the nfs server though
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2244[21:09:19] <Henry151> I think i did some "apt install nvidia-something-something" before to make it work but the bash history that has that line in it has been lost.
2245[21:09:34] <BCMM> jmcnaught: and that would have to be done for nfs (or any other service that needs the disk), not done for the mount unit itself?
2246[21:11:33] <Henry151> i googled and found that i had previously visited a bunch of pages when trying to get my HDMI working originally but that was almost a year ago and i can't remember
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2248[21:12:05] <Henry151> i even had a script set up that would automatically run the xrandr command when i plugged in an HDMI cable :/
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2252[21:13:30] <jmcnaught> BCMM: yes, but you might also be able to accomplish this with Before= in a .mount unit for the filesystem, I just don't see a before directive that can be used in fstab
2253[21:13:59] <Henry151> i see somewhere a thing that says "your nvidia driver should be at least 378" ... anybody tell me how to check my nvidia driver level?
2254[21:14:17] <BCMM> jmcnaught: "x-systemd.before=" seems to be a thing in man `systemd.mount`
2255[21:14:46] <jmcnaught> BCMM: weird it isn't here
2256[21:14:55] <Henry151> meh now i see "choosing discrete graphics in bios" may work so i'm going to go try that brb hopefully someone will rescue me
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2259[21:15:31] <BCMM> jmcnaught: oh well look at that... i've been reading a sid man page while working on a stretch server. whoops.
2260[21:15:45] <BCMM> heh that'll be why that's not working
2261[21:15:50] <jmcnaught> BCMM: there is a newer systemd in stretch-backports
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2264[21:16:22] <BCMM> i think i'll just try to put a drop-in on the mount unit
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2273[21:25:33] <BCMM> ... is there something i can put in a drop-in just to check that the system knows it's there? like, just to put something in the journal or whatever?
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2279[21:30:28] <jmcnaught> BCMM: look at the unit with "systemctl cat …" and it should show the drop-in at the bottom
2280[21:30:36] <BCMM> jmcnaught: thanks!
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2283[21:31:00] <BCMM> hmm, that shows it. wonder where i've gone wrong.
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2286[21:32:01] <greycat> did you remember to do a daemon-reload?
2287[21:32:18] <BCMM> greycat: does restarting the whole system accomplish that?
2288[21:32:41] <greycat> maaaaybe.... *shrug*
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2365[22:14:02] <e__e> hello all
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2370[22:15:02] <e__e> how are you? I would like to help the debian staff to translate some debian how-to in my mother language, someone can help me please to undrestand how can i start it please?
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2377[22:17:49] <some> having trouble creating persistent debian live usb. Have successfully burned iso. Am using PNY 16gb drive. This is the image: debian-live-9.8.0-amd64-gnome.iso
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2391[22:24:54] <ozars> e__e: i had translated a few bits before. this is a good starting point imho: replaced-url
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2413[22:33:59] <tkk> I'm running stretch-updates. Suppose I have a compiled binary that's linked to a shared library older that what the distribution provides; say libcrypto.so.1.0.0 when the oldest one is libcrypto.so.1.0.2. What can I do?
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2415[22:34:52] <greycat> The jessie version of libssl1.0.0 has that.
2416[22:34:58] <e__e> ozars: Thanks a lot for you information, i can start to give some part of Free Translation Project translate it and send it to debian staff i undrestand well ?
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2418[22:35:15] <tkk> I've tried using LD_PRELOAD, but I assume the symbols are versioned.
2419[22:35:25] <greycat> Either download the .deb from jessie manually, or temporarily add a jessie source and apt-get it.
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2422[22:35:48] <tkk> greycat, and this won't cause any package collisions?
2423[22:35:54] <greycat> ii libssl1.0.0:amd64 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6 amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - shared libraries
2424[22:35:57] <greycat> ii libssl1.0.2:amd64 1.0.2q-1~deb9u1 amd64 Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - shared libraries
2425[22:36:30] <some> could someone direct me to documentation about this?
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2428[22:39:29] <greycat> about what?
2429[22:39:54] <ozars> e__e: i'm not entirey sure how the process works either. i'd recommend subscribing to the debian i10n mail for the language you are going to translate, and read some mails from its archive over the web so that you can have an idea it works in practice.
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2431[22:40:30] <greycat> !i18n
2432[22:40:30] <dpkg> it has been said that i18n is an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it? replaced-url
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2434[22:41:16] <ozars> ah, that's better. :)
2435[22:41:58] <some> about creating a persistent live usb w/ debian-live-9.8.0-amd64-gnome.iso. i have already used dd to get the image on usb
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2439[22:43:12] <greycat> The #debian-live channel on OFTC might be the place to ask, if nobody here knows. (I don't know.)
2440[22:45:28] <e__e> ozars: thanks a lot i write to mailing list and hope to have some information, thanks a lot for your help
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2448[22:48:40] <tkk> greycat, thank you for help. didn't think it'd be fine to just snatch a package from an older release.
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2450[22:48:53] <tkk> s/for/& the/
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2452[22:49:22] <ozars> e__e: np, good luck.
2453[22:50:20] <greycat> tkk: Depends on the package. With shared libraries that don't conflict it's usually safe.
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2455[22:50:57] <greycat> Upgraded systems (jessie->stretch for example) often have a bunch of leftover shared library packages.
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2460[22:52:07] <greycat> This machine is an upgraded, I believe, because I appear to have the jessie version of /etc/rc.local.
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2462[22:52:17] <some> okay, thanks
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2465[22:52:42] <KOLANICH> Hello everybody. Is it a good idea to create a package for a Windows app run through Wine?
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2468[22:56:07] <jhutchins_wk> KOLANICH: No.
2469[22:56:24] <KOLANICH> jhutchins_wk: why no?
2470[22:56:28] <jhutchins_wk> KOLANICH: It's better to find a Linux app that does what you need.
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2472[22:56:41] <jhutchins_wk> KOLANICH: Wine is usually a bad idea.
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2474[22:57:18] <KOLANICH> jhutchins_wk: no analogues. There were some attempts to port that app to linux, all have failed.
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2479[22:58:02] <jhutchins_wk> KOLANICH: What are the chances you'll be re-installing it?
2480[22:58:22] <KOLANICH> jhutchins_wk: ??? what do you mean?
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2482[22:58:27] <jhutchins_wk> KOLANICH: If often, then maybe, if not, then just use the internal installation.
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2484[22:58:37] <jhutchins_wk> Sorry to hit & run, but I gotta go.
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2494[23:00:09] <yes> i'm not sure if this is better to ask in #debian or in some python related room: i'm having trouble getting into a virtualenv with python3.6
2495[23:00:11] <yes> on buster
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2499[23:01:15] <yes> i can get the python3.6 packages from sid to get the interpreter and libs. this basically is fine, but I can't run tox tests against that interpreter because tox can't create a virtualenv because virtualenv can't find distutils.spawn when it's using the python3.6 interpreter
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2501[23:01:47] <yes> there's a python3-distutils package in sid and buster, but it's for python3.7
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2508[23:04:04] <yes> so anyway, i know there's like conda, or whatever, which ihaven't used
2509[23:04:10] <yes> but maybe i should go ask in a python channel
2510[23:04:56] <yes> i think i'm suprised that i can't seem to find the right package to get a working python3.6 environment somewhere in the debian repos
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2512[23:06:20] <jmcnaught> yes: if you installed python3 from unstable on a stable system you might have more problems now, you can't mix like that it always causes problems
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2514[23:07:13] <yes> i know i know, i knew i'd get scolded for that :P
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2516[23:07:34] <yes> but, fwiw, i'm on a "testing" system since i think buster is testing for a little while longer
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2565[23:12:01] <yes> the people in #python are telling me to use a thing called "pyenv"
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2635[23:57:58] <terr_> test
2636[23:58:24] <terr_> finally Be nice if one was told HOW to log in!
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2638[23:58:56] <terr_> I am not new to debian. Just real rusty. Probably I should change my nich to rusty!
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