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5[00:02:49] <sphalerite> Hi folks. Was hoping to get debian for ARM booting in QEMU. I found replaced-url
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8[00:03:28] <sphalerite> but all I'm getting is my fan spinning up a bit :) has anyone done this successfully before? Do I need to stick U-Boot in the process somewhere?
9[00:04:17] <sphalerite> to be clear: the command I used is `tar xf netboot.tar.gz; cd debian-installer/armhf; qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -kernel vmlinuz -initrd initrd.gz -append "root=/dev/ram"`
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12[00:05:13] <sphalerite> i also tried adding -nographic and adding console=/dev/ttyS0 to the kernel params, that also didn't produce any output
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16[00:06:46] <mnuhmnuh> sphalerite: for a gzipped tar, it should be tar xzf ... unless that's changed.
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18[00:07:10] <sphalerite> mnuhmnuh: GNU tar magically detects that stuff nowadays :)
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21[00:07:27] <mnuhmnuh> damn, i'm old.
22[00:07:52] <sphalerite> what a time to be alive!
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25[00:09:03] <johnjay_> can i have a way to install the tools necessary to build common debian packages?
26[00:09:12] <johnjay_> *that* would be magical!
27[00:09:42] <sphalerite> "Aaaah, back in the day, we had to use gzip -d | tar x. None of your fancy compression support in tar. Do one thing and do it well!"
28[00:09:45] <sphalerite> johnjay_: apt install build-essential
29[00:10:03] <sphalerite> johnjay_: also apt-get build-dep <package> for specific packages
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33[00:10:36] <johnjay_> so i should just type apt-get build-dep <package1> <package2> <package3> where package1-3 are things i pick at random?
34[00:10:47] <johnjay_> i'm guessing vim and emacs aren't in that list
35[00:11:41] <sphalerite> Well not at random. Pick the stuff you actually want to build :)
36[00:12:02] <johnjay_> well i tried that with fbi the other day
37[00:12:13] <awwal> teraflops, thanks :)
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39[00:12:19] <johnjay_> didn't install half of the ones i needed, so i had to grep and guess for 10 minutes finding the names of the package it wanted
40[00:12:32] <johnjay_> e.g. freetype2 was libfreetype123-dev456, etc
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43[00:12:57] <johnjay_> it's as if you think i haven't already tried the easiest option available when I ask what to do. :)
44[00:14:27] <mnuhmnuh> johnjay_: learn to love "aptitude search", even if you don't use it for anything more than search.
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48[00:15:03] <johnjay_> well ultimately the problem is i'm on a low bandwidth connection
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51[00:15:29] <johnjay_> so if I install debian today and then use it tomorrow and tomorrow I find I lack package lib123, I have to wait around for an hour for it to download and install potentially
52[00:15:49] <sphalerite> johnjay_: apt-get build-dep installed libfreetype6-dev for me just now
53[00:16:01] <mnuhmnuh> johnjay_: i think it just searches the db updated by apt* update.
54[00:16:01] <johnjay_> sphalerite: you say that without a hint of irony
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59[00:17:28] <sphalerite> johnjay_: if you don't know what you're going to build, I don't know what to say.
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61[00:18:14] <johnjay_> sphalerite: well let me know when you do. in the meantime I'm going to figure out how to write an awk script to automatically install the first result of doing an apt-cache search -n query
62[00:18:28] <sphalerite> johnjay_: if you temporarily have high-speed internet access, you could download the CDs and use them as an offline repository. Or make your own mirror
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66[00:19:38] <sphalerite> I don't see how that solves your problem
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68[00:20:15] <johnjay_> it doesn't?
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72[00:20:37] <sphalerite> Then why would you do it?
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78[00:21:35] <mnuhmnuh> sphalerite: i did to farm them out to others via transmission. give back, yada yada ...
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80[00:21:56] <johnjay_> if the only solution is to be constantly typing "apt-cache search -n <foo> && sudo apt-get install <bar>" over and over
81[00:22:04] <johnjay_> then at least I can write a script to make it easier to type
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85[00:22:38] <sphalerite> johnjay_: but apt-get build-dep fbi didn't get you everything you needed to build FBI?
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87[00:22:54] <sphalerite> Heh autocorrect capitalises FBI.
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90[00:23:00] <johnjay_> sphalerite: ... no?
91[00:23:10] <johnjay_> look i got things to do other than play 20 questions
92[00:23:34] <johnjay_> thanks for the dvd tip though. maybe i can download them at the library or something
93[00:24:08] <sphalerite> johnjay_: that's exactly what it's supposed to do though. Either you did it wrong or you've found a bug in apt or the packaging.
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96[00:25:06] <johnjay_> ok, so where do I file a bug report?
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103[00:30:06] <sphalerite> bugs.debian.org. in this case it looks like an incompatibility between upstream and Debian though, which is handled in fbi's packaging
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109[00:30:55] <sphalerite> I.e. vanilla fbi just won't build on Debian without some nasty hacks. But there's a patch which is applied when the package is built for Debian.
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113[00:31:26] <johnjay_> it built fine for me on my raspi, so i'll take your word for it
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118[00:33:21] <sphalerite> Actually didn't take major hacks, just make JPEG_VER=62
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125[00:37:24] <DammitJim> do you guys knokw of a tool in Debian that I can use to convert this high efficiency heic format pictures (from ios) to jpg?
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182[01:09:01] <mnuhmnuh> "apropos heic: heic: nothing appropriate." sry.
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185[01:10:41] <sphalerite> DammitJim: imagemagick is in Debian, but it can't do it... Yet
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187[01:11:21] <mnuhmnuh> apt-file search heic turns up python-pyavm, python3-pyavm,
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191[01:12:04] <mnuhmnuh> texlive-lang-chinese, uqm-content possibly involved.
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195[01:13:25] <DammitJim> blah
196[01:13:27] <DammitJim> why why why
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207[01:23:58] <mnuhmnuh> DammitJim: Apple Inc., of course. Silly.
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211[01:24:56] <mnuhmnuh> Steve was a great salesman, not a visionary god, ffs.
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307[02:28:27] <TimeTraveler> hi
308[02:29:24] <TimeTraveler> hey does anyone know of a good free solution to desktop sharing? i.e. i want to be able to show someone something on my desktop like a remote presentation or something
309[02:29:39] <TimeTraveler> i guess, basically im looking for a free conferencing tool
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311[02:29:51] <awwal> hm
312[02:29:54] <TimeTraveler> can anyone recommend something
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314[02:31:29] <annadane> TimeTraveler, what specifically? (i just got here)
315[02:31:39] <annadane> or anyone else can post the logs if any
316[02:32:03] <TimeTraveler> annadane, im just looking for a desktop sharing or conferencing solution
317[02:32:06] <TimeTraveler> thats free
318[02:32:30] <annadane> hmm, riot?
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320[02:32:36] <awwal> linphone, ekiga, jitsi
321[02:32:37] <TimeTraveler> riot?
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324[02:32:56] <annadane> riot.im
325[02:32:59] <awwal> or skype (propietary)
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327[02:33:20] <TimeTraveler> nah not proprietary. i dont run non free software
328[02:33:58] <t0no6a> TimeTraveler : realvnc remmina tigervnc tightvnc vinagre ....
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330[02:34:19] <TimeTraveler> hmm ill check those ot thanks t0no6a
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336[02:35:56] <awwal> nowdays, there are a few websites doing what you want via a web browser
337[02:36:08] <awwal> much simpler, in my opinion
338[02:37:20] <TimeTraveler> t0no6a, thats like remote desktop applications
339[02:37:35] <TimeTraveler> im looking for something where people can connect and see my screen
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341[02:38:12] <awwal> I already told you ekiga, linphone
342[02:38:22] <awwal> I don't see another alternative
343[02:38:45] <awwal> jitsi is no longer available
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346[02:38:51] <awwal> ,v jitsi
347[02:38:52] <judd> No package named 'jitsi' was found in amd64.
348[02:38:56] <annadane> ah, "desktop sharing". yeah, riot/matrix won't allow you to do that AFAIK
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353[02:42:28] <TimeTraveler> linphone allows desktop sharing
354[02:42:29] <TimeTraveler> ?
355[02:43:37] <kion> anyone know of a good package for bitcoin mining under Stretch?
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358[02:44:12] * abrotman wonders why "apt-cache search bitcoin" isn't sufficient ..
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360[02:44:48] <Unit193> Arguably, that'll just list what exists, not what's "good"
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362[02:45:11] <awwal> TimeTraveler, linphone is like skype.
363[02:45:21] <TimeTraveler> i see awwal
364[02:45:24] <awwal> check guacamole
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370[02:46:04] <petn-randall> kion: You can only mine bitcoins with ASICs nowadays.
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372[02:46:22] <kion> petn-randall, what is ASIC's?
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374[02:46:41] <petn-randall> kion: replaced-url
375[02:46:49] <kion> thanks!
376[02:46:55] <awwal> TimeTraveler, what do you want exactly? talk to people via video+audio and be able to share your secreen or just access remote desktops?
377[02:47:07] <petn-randall> kion: TL;DR: You won't even get your money for electricity back if you mine with your CPU/GPU.
378[02:47:19] <TimeTraveler> awwal, talk to people and share my screen
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382[02:49:07] <precise> replaced-url
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385[02:50:26] <abrotman> petn-randall: that's different than "can't"
386[02:50:57] <abrotman> precise: please don't spam here
387[02:51:26] <TimeTraveler> im surprised such an app doesnt exist for linux that is free software#
388[02:51:30] <precise> abrotman: :/ OK, just trying to spread awareness for a worthy cause...
389[02:51:37] * precise slithers away
390[02:51:40] <abrotman> precise: try #debian-offtopic .. this is a support channel
391[02:51:46] <precise> abrotman: Good point
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394[02:55:22] <awwal> TimeTraveler, i already told you which are available
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396[02:55:35] <awwal> + google hangouts
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398[02:56:07] <annadane> if someone says they want free solutions maybe don't recommend google and skype
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400[02:56:34] <annadane> i'll take this moment to shill replaced-url
401[02:57:05] <awwal> TimeTraveler, that is why gnu-linux is a matter of choice too :P
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403[02:57:22] <TimeTraveler> ok, i guess ill have to develop such an application
404[02:57:28] <TimeTraveler> since it doesnt seem to exist
405[02:57:39] <awwal> great
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408[02:58:01] <awwal> there is a kde one
409[02:58:08] <awwal> i forgot name
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746[07:49:49] <Agiofws> hello
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749[07:51:21] <Agiofws> if nautilus is seeing/using a windows share how can i rsync a linux directory to a windows share do i have to mount the windows share or can i use the smbshare or is it the same thing ?
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751[07:53:18] <BenNZ> Agiofws: mount the windows share then use rsync
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753[07:53:52] <Agiofws> BenNZ: isn't nautilus already doing it or is it using its own protocol?
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757[07:55:18] <BenNZ> Agiofws: i dont use nautilus so not sure , i would assume it uses gvfs
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765[08:01:09] <pragomer> but when I try
766[08:01:23] <pragomer> mt -f /dev/tape status it tells me
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829[08:40:06] <k_sze[work]> My Jessie server somehow has /usr/bin/node that is Node v6.12.0.
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833[08:40:46] <k_sze[work]> Does anybody have any idea where it might come from?
834[08:41:10] <k_sze[work]> Because the node-legacy or nodejs packages in the Debian repo are much older than 6.12.0.
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838[08:42:38] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, k_sze[work]
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862[08:56:58] <topi`> why is it so that if I remove a package with "dpkg -r foo", it stays there in "dpkg -l" listing, but "ii" changes to "rc"? is it possible to get rid of these unwanted lines?
863[08:57:12] <topi`> I suppose the dpkg package database is some kind of berkeleydb
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867[08:58:41] <sveta_> no sound from microphone on debian, how do I troubleshoot this?
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873[09:01:07] <jelly> sveta_: first, ALSA: alsamixer, F6, pick the sound card your mic is connected to, F4, make sure relevant capture input is unmuted and turned up
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879[09:04:30] <jelly> sveta_: next pulseaudio: assuming pulseaudio is running, open pavucontrol, Configuration tab, make sure the right audio card is set to allow duplex work or just input; Input Devices tab, Show: hardware input devices, find your mic and try making some noise to see if the bar showing input level moves
880[09:04:53] <sveta_> jelly: hi
881[09:04:58] <jelly> sveta_: when that works, you may configure the particular app.
882[09:05:03] <sveta_> jelly: i again completely forgot whether i am using alsa or pulse
883[09:05:17] <jelly> probably both
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885[09:05:24] <sveta_> jelly: i have pulseaudio running
886[09:05:35] <jelly> then it's both.
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888[09:05:48] <sveta_> jelly: OK, i do not have capture section in alsamixer
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892[09:06:14] <sveta_> it can be muted or zero or whatever but it is not there so i'm not seeing what it is
893[09:06:22] <jelly> when you F4 in it it will ONLY show input tunables for a particular card
894[09:07:03] <sveta_> jelly: ok, i confirm capture is listed as 100 100 and is not muted
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897[09:07:43] <jelly> what's the input channel name?
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899[09:07:59] <sveta_> jelly: pavucontrol only have a cli interface
900[09:08:03] <sveta_> jelly: checking
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902[09:08:26] <sveta_> jelly: it says 'Capture', is this a channel name? where can i see it?
903[09:08:32] <jelly> below that.
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905[09:09:07] <sveta_> jelly: nothing, that is the last line
906[09:09:10] <jelly> show a screenshot of alsamixer with correct card chosen and F4 view
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911[09:10:09] <sveta_> jelly: replaced-url
912[09:10:11] <jelly> if it's a webcam or standalone usb headset or mic, it might have only a single input
913[09:10:22] <sveta_> jelly: it is builtin
914[09:11:29] <jelly> sveta_: so you have 4 tunables visible, named Mic Boost, Capture, Dock Mic Boost and Internal Mic Boost; I'd probably turn all the Mic Boosts up
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917[09:13:05] <sveta_> jelly: done, still mic does not record sound
918[09:13:13] <sveta_> jelly: i am testing it using gnome-sound-recorder
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920[09:13:28] <jelly> how do the pavucontrol step.
921[09:13:31] <jelly> now*
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923[09:13:49] <sveta_> jelly: mine doesn't have gui
924[09:14:01] <jelly> sveta_: you don't have X running?
925[09:14:08] <sveta_> jelly: your first step is 'open configuration tab' but i don't have it
926[09:14:12] <sveta_> jelly: i have x
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928[09:14:40] <sveta_> jelly: oops sorry, I have it now, hang on
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930[09:14:44] <jelly> sveta_: screenshot with pavucontrol opened, then. Which debian release is this?
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932[09:15:08] <sveta_> jelly: configuration says 'analog stereo duplex'
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935[09:16:06] <jelly> good
936[09:16:16] <sveta_> jelly: in input devices, i clicked 'show hardware input devices', it does not show any bar
937[09:16:35] <jelly> weird
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940[09:17:38] <sveta_> jelly: so 'make some noise to see if the bar showing input level moves' fails
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944[09:17:55] <jelly> sveta_: what's the card name on the configuration tab?
945[09:18:12] <jelly> the one that's set to 'analog stereo duplex'
946[09:18:20] <sveta_> jelly: builtin audio
947[09:19:05] <jelly> but nothing from that one is visible in input devices?
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949[09:19:40] <sveta_> jelly: there are some bars but they're disabled
950[09:20:33] <jelly> screenshot, then
951[09:20:34] <sveta_> jelly: replaced-url
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953[09:21:07] <sveta_> jelly: the stuff at the top is 'Builtin audio Analog stereo' and in the dropdown 'Builtin mic'
954[09:21:23] <sveta_> jelly: starting it with LC_ALL=C doesn't fully help with switching over to english
955[09:22:31] <sveta_> jelly: oops it has a mute button, I just unmuted it in that tab and it started working
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959[09:24:25] <jelly> sveta_: the rightmost button of those three sets it as default input for apps that don't pick their own explicitely
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965[09:26:45] <jelly> sveta_: after you get things working at all, tune down the relevant alsamixer Mic input level to something acceptable
966[09:27:36] <jelly> (ie loud enough that the other side can hear you well, but not too distorted)
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969[09:28:13] <sveta_> jelly: ok
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972[09:28:42] <jelly> sveta_: Recording tab from pavucontrol will show per-app config, but ONLY while an app is actually recording something
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974[09:29:08] <sveta_> jelly: yea I saw that on another laptop, it shows volume when active
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1006[10:01:20] <willemb> Hi. Is it possible to find out what packages are upgradable WITHOUT locking apt?
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1017[10:09:44] <Iridos> willemb, possibly apt-show-versions
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1019[10:12:03] <Iridos> well, and probably apt list --upgradeable
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1035[10:23:43] <KpuCko> Hello is it that any way to re-order my network interfaces when im using old interfaces name like eth0, eth1 in debian 9?
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1038[10:25:40] <KpuCko> I read that, the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-net... is deprecated and should be remove if it's used.
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1042[10:27:19] <Iridos> well, it's outdated because there are the new interface names…
1043[10:28:09] <Iridos> for the old names, that should still be fully valid
1044[10:28:27] <KpuCko> yes, but is it there any backward compatible way to achive this?
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1048[10:29:20] <KpuCko> i just want to re-order my network interface, so the eth1 have to be eth0.
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1052[10:30:05] <KpuCko> in the CentOS world there is interface name/mac address... etc
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1090[10:56:47] <viktor01330> how to stop GRUB from showing up at boot? or is that a bad idea?
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1093[10:57:18] <viktor01330> probably edit /etc/default/grub ? but not sure what to add/edit?
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1103[11:02:11] <no_gravity> Hello! Any tips for a good wifi stick that Debian supports out of the box?
1104[11:02:36] <Iridos> I think it's a bad idea… when something goes wrong during boot, you want to be able to change things easily…
1105[11:02:49] <pemula> test
1106[11:02:52] <petn-randall> viktor01330: I'm sure there are ways to make it disappear, but I'd rather set the timeout down if you don't like it.
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1110[11:03:33] <bolovanos> hithere
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1112[11:03:45] <Iridos> that's… /boot/grub/grub.cfg
1113[11:03:50] <Iridos> but urg, it sets 3 different timeouts
1114[11:03:54] <petn-randall> viktor01330: Not sure if it's still supported, but you could set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and it would hide the menu before booting the default entry. But then you'd have to remember that shift lets you see the menu.
1115[11:04:02] * petn-randall hits here.
1116[11:04:03] <bolovanos> what web changes monitoring app do you use? urlwatch does not have maintainer replaced-url
1117[11:04:23] <petn-randall> bolovanos: monitoring of what changes?
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1119[11:05:37] <viktor01330> petn-randall: just add that at the end of the other "tineouts"?
1120[11:05:41] <bolovanos> petn-randall, looking for alternative of this replaced-url
1121[11:05:41] <viktor01330> *timeouts
1122[11:06:21] <bolovanos> which will run all the time - not only when pc with that plugin is on
1123[11:06:24] <Iridos> no_gravity, any? last time I bought one is ages ago… but as far as i remember, they "just worked"
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1125[11:07:00] <Iridos> bolovanos, I use urlwatch… it seems to do the thing
1126[11:07:05] <no_gravity> Iridos: Well... that yours just worked does not mean that every one just works.
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1130[11:08:28] <contrapunctus> o/
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1132[11:08:58] <viktor01330> petn-randall: i have to remove "GRUB_TIMEOUT=5" or just add GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT at the end?
1133[11:09:38] <bolovanos> Iridos, is it capable of higher logic like - watch for changes on defined DOM object if change is greater than, or is it simple diff?
1134[11:09:52] <bolovanos> Iridos, targeted on whole page?
1135[11:10:13] <Iridos> it's a simple diff… but there are hooks to pre-process the page before the diff
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1137[11:10:35] <KpuCko> Iridos i found it, there is a two ways, it depend if you are disabled predictive naming, or using it. If it's disabled, you have to use udev rule row. If it's enabled, you have to do systemd policy configuration. Here is the example: replaced-url
1138[11:11:35] <contrapunctus> The ethernet on my laptop running Debian Stable has stopped working - it tries to connect and times out. I'm still able to connect via USB tethering. This is what /var/log/syslog shows when I try to connect - replaced-url
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1143[11:13:02] <Iridos> KpuCko, nice
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1145[11:13:19] <Iridos> dpkg, 70 is also also see replaced-url
1146[11:13:19] <dpkg> Iridos: that's too long
1147[11:13:32] <bolovanos> Iridos, thank you for info
1148[11:14:57] <Iridos> bolovanos, the most useful one is some html2text hook… for some pages that e.g. change the date periodically, but not really the content, I did stuff like datesub = re.compile(u'[0-9][0-9][.][0-9][0-9][.]20[0-9][0-9]'); data = datesub.sub(u'currentdate',data); return html2txt.html2text(data, method='html2text')
1149[11:15:09] <Iridos> (this is python except for the semicolons that I just put in)
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1151[11:16:03] <Iridos> you can have… some search expressions to figure out what urls what hook triggers on… and yeah, that's a bit ugly
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1157[11:19:08] <bolovanos> Iridos, ok got it, or use replaced-url
1158[11:19:09] <Iridos> dpkg, interface naming is <reply> predictable interface naming (and the interface names) changed from jessie to stretch. See replaced-url
1159[11:19:10] <dpkg> okay, Iridos
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1161[11:20:19] <contrapunctus> anyone?
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1163[11:21:14] <no_gravity> contrapunctus: What do you mean with "try to connect"?
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1169[11:23:52] <contrapunctus> no_gravity: the tray icon displays the connecting animation.
1170[11:24:46] <Iridos> run dhclient manually and with verbose and debug flags, maybe you see something
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1173[11:25:33] <no_gravity> contrapunctus: What if you manually assign an ip and then ping another machine on the lan?
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1175[11:27:46] <Iridos> contrapunctus, like… dhclient -v -d obviously the interface has to be there for that
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1178[11:28:10] <contrapunctus> (doesn't -d imply -v?)
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1182[11:28:30] <contrapunctus> Iridos: trying
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1184[11:28:44] <Iridos> yeah, but you can't ask me to read the full paragraph of both on the manpage
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1187[11:29:41] <ahmadadnan> hi all, I'm facing a problem with bridge connection vmbr0 to bond0, after reboot the vmbr0 will not up. the device is not found and output from brctl show is empty.
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1197[11:33:19] <contrapunctus> Iridos: replaced-url
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1200[11:34:28] <Iridos> errm
1201[11:34:31] <Iridos> RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
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1204[11:35:33] <contrapunctus> Iridos: I know, but there wasn't any change in configuration, least of all one which would affect that :\
1205[11:35:39] * do0m bom dia
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1207[11:36:25] <Iridos> if this is eth0, should probably tell it to only query that one
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1209[11:36:51] <Iridos> well, are you trying to connect via cable or wlan
1210[11:36:58] <willemb> Thanks, Iridos looks like apt-show-versions is what i want
1211[11:37:18] <willemb> for some weird reason, it lists downgradeable packages too
1212[11:37:21] <contrapunctus> Iridos: ah, okay, let me try that.
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1226[11:45:04] <contrapunctus> Iridos: replaced-url
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1237[11:52:13] <contrapunctus> Iridos: any ideas?
1238[11:53:13] <gpunk> what does your /etc/hosts look like ?
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1242[11:54:27] <Iridos> no, that looks unspectacular…
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1245[11:55:35] <gpunk> and you /etc/resolv.conf too just in case
1246[11:55:43] <gpunk> your*
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1250[11:56:47] <Iridos> I'd look at ifconfig … if the device is able to send at all… and possibly at route -n
1251[11:56:59] <contrapunctus> gpunk: replaced-url
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1253[11:57:52] <contrapunctus> gpunk: wait, was I supposed to disconnect from the USB tethering connection before pasting those?
1254[11:58:06] <gpunk> yes ... :)
1255[11:59:05] <gpunk> do us an "ifconfig" or "ip addr show" plz
1256[11:59:10] <gpunk> too
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1260[12:00:43] <Iridos> judd, versions alsa-base
1261[12:00:44] <judd> Package: alsa-base on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.25+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.27+1
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1264[12:01:38] <Iridos> dpkg, apt-zip
1265[12:01:38] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. replaced-url
1266[12:01:44] <Iridos> judd, versions apt-zip
1267[12:01:45] <judd> Package: apt-zip on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.18
1268[12:01:47] <Iridos> but… it's gorn
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1281[12:05:38] <contrapunctus> gpunk: /etc/hosts has the same contents as before, resolv.conf is empty; Iridos: ifconfig - replaced-url
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1321[12:20:07] <Iridos> well, it's up… and has TX packets
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1332[12:23:59] <contrapunctus> Iridos: so what gives? o.o
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1388[12:54:23] <pragomer> anyone familiar with mt,tar and tape-devices?
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1397[13:01:12] <jelly> !anyone
1398[13:01:13] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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1442[13:27:11] <pragomer> when trying tar -czf /dev/st0 myfolder I got error message
1443[13:27:37] <pragomer> replaced-url
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1445[13:27:42] <pragomer> any idea?
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1447[13:29:26] <jelly> !localized errors
1448[13:29:26] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
1449[13:29:44] <jelly> but that looks like a generic i/o error message
1450[13:30:39] <jelly> you may or may not want to use non-rewinding device
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1462[13:35:51] <pragomer> sorry, so here is the error message in english: replaced-url
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1470[13:38:50] <darxmurf> pragomer: you don't give any file name
1471[13:39:11] <darxmurf> I would do: tar -czf /dev/st0/myfolder.tar.gz myfolder
1472[13:40:16] <tremolo> /dev/st0 is presumably not a directory, but the device to write the archive to.
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1474[13:41:02] <Iridos> yes… a tape device… and a non-rewindable one
1475[13:41:21] <Iridos> and it's apparently not writable
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1477[13:42:15] <Iridos> I'd say this has nothing to do with tar… you just can't write to that device
1478[13:43:10] <Iridos> judd, versions pdfjam
1479[13:43:11] <judd> Package: pdfjam on amd64 -- wheezy: 2012.20120611-2; jessie: 2014.20141024-1
1480[13:43:17] <Iridos> wtf happened with pdfjam
1481[13:43:33] <Iridos> dpkg, why is pdfjam not in testing
1482[13:43:33] <dpkg> pdfjam is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
1483[13:43:47] <Iridos> No excuse for pdfjam
1484[13:43:57] <Iridos> Indeed! No excuse at all for removing that
1485[13:44:22] <Iridos> it's in texlive-extra-utils now? meh.
1486[13:45:43] <Iridos> who has tape drives on their local machine in 2017 anyway
1487[13:47:04] <nix64bit> many businesses
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1497[13:53:49] <pragomer> Iridos... what could be the reason for that the tape is not writable?
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1502[13:54:27] <Iridos> I wasn't around in the 70ies, so I never used tapes
1503[13:54:31] <themill> Iridos: pdfjam just moved off to texlive-extra-utils
1504[13:55:23] <pragomer> me either *lol* but we have to backup to tapes here in buero since a few weeks
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1508[13:56:31] <frikinz> Any idea why this happened/how to solve? replaced-url
1509[13:56:38] <frikinz> That's debian stable
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1514[13:57:08] <jelly> pragomer: did you try with a different tape, for a start?
1515[13:57:47] <frikinz> Ok stretch_main_binary_i386_Packages is corrupted. weird
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1517[13:57:54] <jelly> pragomer: also, look at kern.log / dmesg for possible further clues
1518[13:58:21] <petn-randall> frikinz: Looks like that file is somehow corrupted, deleting it by hand should fix it.
1519[13:58:57] <jelly> and rerun apt-get update after that
1520[13:59:08] <petn-randall> frikinz: It's a clear-text file, you could also just run 'less <file>' and check what actually is corrupted by it.
1521[13:59:13] <themill> worrying about why it is corrupted is left as an exercise for later
1522[13:59:26] <petn-randall> frikinz: Which might give you a hint what actually happened.
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1524[13:59:31] <frikinz> I actually spotted the corruption and replaced by my status file
1525[13:59:48] <frikinz> I'm more worried about how it got corrupted yeah
1526[14:00:34] <jelly> pragomer: tape media is finicky
1527[14:00:40] <jelly> but cheap
1528[14:02:05] <Iridos> themill, yeah, i realized
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1530[14:03:43] <Iridos> pragomer, yeah, unplug/replug if that is possible with that device and then look at dmesg…
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1532[14:04:00] <jelly> why unplug?
1533[14:04:25] <Iridos> so plugging creates new messages in dmesg and you don't have to search through everything
1534[14:04:46] <jelly> it creates different messages than media issues
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1537[14:05:16] <Iridos> yeah, but maybe st0 isn't even a valid device because something went wrong with recognizing it
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1540[14:05:45] <jelly> that's not what pragomer's output remotely points to
1541[14:05:58] <jelly> it's just an io error writing a block
1542[14:06:07] <Iridos> hat? that's just a generic i/o error…
1543[14:06:16] <jelly> yes.
1544[14:06:40] <jelly> and a generic i/o error on a tape driver does not mean anything's wrong with the device
1545[14:06:47] <jelly> tape drive*
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1547[14:06:52] <Iridos> jelly, echo blubb > /dev/ttyS3
1548[14:07:14] <jelly> ttyS3 is not a tape drive
1549[14:07:43] <Iridos> i'm pretty sure it's not a valid device pointing to hardware at all at my system
1550[14:07:48] <Iridos> and it gives an i/o error
1551[14:07:53] <Iridos> which is the whole point
1552[14:08:05] <Iridos> unconnected devices do the same thing
1553[14:08:41] <jelly> your point is not relevant, it's a different type of device where actual i/o errors occur, for different reasons
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1556[14:09:45] <jelly> usually transient or hard media errors
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1559[14:11:38] <jelly> pragomer: which device do you have? For most modern tapes (younger than say 15-20 years) a 10KiB block is too small. I'd try: 1) using a different tape; 2) use a block size of 32KiB; 3) clean the drive, once
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1562[14:13:34] <jelly> there should be tools to read out any TapeAlert message related to the last i/o error, but I don't have any idea what's used in open source world. Might be vendor-specific.
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1564[14:14:42] <pragomer> wait I will do a "tapeinfo"
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1573[14:20:01] <Elirips> Hello. If I'm connected using ssh, and then I do dist-ugprade and then the connection would break, what would happen to the dist-ugprade? stop in the middle? finish silently?
1574[14:20:21] <JustASlacker> Elirips: use screen or tmux
1575[14:20:29] <pragomer> this is my tape-info: replaced-url
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1580[14:22:50] <Iridos> Elirips, it'd probably get stuck on the next interactive question asked during configure
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1584[14:23:36] <Elirips> Iridos: and then I would be pretty lost, not?
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1586[14:25:25] <Iridos> dunno… I also use screen or tmux or so
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1589[14:25:51] <Elirips> well, it did not happen yet, I was just wondernig (and I dont intend to try, I'll go with screen)
1590[14:25:53] <Iridos> you probably have to kill apt and/or dpkg after it's clear it doesn't proceed… and then pick up the pieces
1591[14:26:26] <Iridos> possibly need to run dpkg --configure -a before continuinng
1592[14:26:47] <Elirips> So, I have a backup. I have read the upgrade instructions to upgrade from jessie to wheezy. I have enough free space... should I really start.. ?
1593[14:27:16] <Iridos> jessie to wheezy?
1594[14:27:35] <Elirips> the only thing running on the box is postfix+dovecot (and apache and subversion and some trac)
1595[14:27:36] <Elirips> yes
1596[14:27:38] <Iridos> that should be an astonishing upgrade ^^
1597[14:28:01] <Iridos> as wheezy is older than jessie… and jessie is oldstable right now
1598[14:28:21] <Elirips> err
1599[14:28:39] <Elirips> sorry, i mean jessy to stretch of course
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1607[14:32:23] <petn-randall> Elirips: Make sure you have backups, then read the release notes of stretch, it comes with an "upgrading from jessie" section. Then it should be fairly straight-forward to upgrade, even over SSH.
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1611[14:34:14] <pragomer> jelly: I just used a cleaning tape.. and tried another data-tape. same issue. what could be meant by this error (...between tape drive and initiator..)replaced-url
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1613[14:34:51] <bitlan> hello, i have issuse with NIC.. I add new card for my server (2x SFP+ LR-LINK 82599ES 10-Gigabit SFI/SFP+). I using debian 9. In lspci i can see NIC and in "ip link", "ethtool" but when i tried up interface than i get error... ifup: unknown interface
1614[14:35:07] <bitlan> more here -> replaced-url
1615[14:35:31] <pragomer> After a reboot the tapeinfo command looks "good": replaced-url
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1618[14:36:34] <slipttees> Hi guys
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1625[14:39:56] <ocx32> hi, say i am copying from source1 to source2 using rsync -aVHK, the copy takes days to finish. now while this is running i copy from source0 to source1, s there any introduced risk of running the 2 copies in parallel?
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1627[14:40:20] <xand> ocx32: only if you're copying the same files...
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1629[14:40:29] <slipttees> I need an help... my primary laptop is dead, so, I get my hdd and put inside in the new laptop, but my network is up, interfaces change your names etc. Help me make work my network i new laptop.
1630[14:40:46] <ocx32> xand: they are the same files
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1632[14:40:52] <ocx32> i mean its a backup
1633[14:40:54] <slipttees> network is down*
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1638[14:45:20] <ForceRecon> how does one in terminal show if there are any JUST ERROR items in the log files
1639[14:45:43] <ForceRecon> I cannot remember the command.. something like dmesg | grep error?
1640[14:45:51] <ForceRecon> hmmph
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1644[14:47:00] <slipttees> I need an help... my primary laptop is dead, so, I get my hdd and put inside in the new laptop, but my network is down, interfaces change your names etc. Help me make work my network i new laptop.
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1651[14:50:06] <slipttees> wicd so bad =/
1652[14:50:29] <mr__tea> why slipttees ?
1653[14:50:42] <slipttees> my networks dead
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1655[14:50:51] <slipttees> replace laptop and same HDD
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1659[14:56:24] <gpunk> go to networkmanager and recreate a connection?
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1666[15:00:55] <jelly> prag eh.
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1708[15:15:23] <jelly> !qotd0
1709[15:15:23] <dpkg> <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2
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1723[15:21:26] <ktokko> I'm using a raspberry pi-3b (raspbian OS) and it seems to be missing a spell checker (e.g. for libreoffice/firefox-ESR), someone said to check how it's installed for debian... not getting a straightforward web query on how to do this (I went to add remove GUI programs and I see many items pre-checked for "Aspell + hunspell" respectively)
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1730[15:24:58] <petn-randall> !raspbian
1731[15:24:58] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
1732[15:25:21] <petn-randall> ktokko: Not much we can help you with, you should try the channel above. ^^^
1733[15:25:55] <Andrew_0010bit> So, all I use is Ubuntu and I want to come here for help. Okay? /s
1734[15:26:09] <ktokko> so how is a spell checker installed for debian petn-randall ?
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1737[15:26:38] <ktokko> is it Aspell or hunspell and would that apply to other applications that use an embedded spell checker ?
1738[15:27:01] <ktokko> i was directed from that channel to here petn-randall
1739[15:27:05] <ktokko> :/
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1741[15:28:53] <ktokko> actually petn-randall i was in the pi-specific channel, let me try that one you listed, sorry
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1746[15:31:28] <Andrew_0010bit> petn-randall got a mention in the Debian Wiki.
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1748[15:31:30] <Andrew_0010bit> Sick.
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1751[15:32:01] <Andrew_0010bit> Wasn't trying to dox you, though. Just saw the name and thought it was some package idea. Haven't had enough coffee yet.
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1758[15:33:49] <petn-randall> Andrew_0010bit: I have no idea what you are talking about.
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1760[15:34:02] <jelly> Andrew_0010bit: anyone (who manages to create a user and log in) can add to that wiki
1761[15:34:34] <Andrew_0010bit> Oh.
1762[15:34:55] <Andrew_0010bit> petn-randall, someone just said recently that you said Buster was 1.5 away from being Stable.
1763[15:34:57] <Andrew_0010bit> Something like that.
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1766[15:36:25] <petn-randall> Andrew_0010bit: buster will release "when it's ready", but the usual release cycle is something in the ball park area of one release every two years.
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1772[15:40:23] <jelly> ±1yr
1773[15:41:02] <contrapunctus> The ethernet on my laptop running Debian Stable has stopped working - it tries to connect and times out. I'm still able to connect via USB tethering. This is what /var/log/syslog shows when I try to connect - replaced-url
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1786[15:47:41] <Andrew_0010bit> contrapunctus, I'm going to start with the obvious. Your DHCP request timed out.
1787[15:48:01] <Andrew_0010bit> How about making that network adapter a static IP and pinging your gateway router.
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1791[15:48:16] <Andrew_0010bit> We need to rule out whether or not the port is to blame.
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1804[15:54:33] <debianaaa> heyhey, i need some help: i wanted to clone a VM from a cloud provider (ovh) to run it on my local machine via virtualbox. What i did so far is to boot the vm into rescue - clone it via DD, copied the image to my local virtualbox vdi (dd as well) and started the vm. Now i get when i boot the following stuff: replaced-url
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1809[15:55:17] <debianaaa> initramfs. the partition is as well fine (im able to mount it in with a live disk). I also tried to chroot and update the kernel to the latest version / installed vbox drivers
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1811[15:55:28] <mo1991> I have an issue with light-locker giving me a black screen when it goes into lock mode (xfce). if I ctr alt F1 to switch to a different VT I can log back in, but this obviously is not the proper behavior. I have done some googling and seen others with this bug, but have not yet found a fix/workaround. Using debian stretch on a ASUS laptop with intel gpu. Anyone point me in the right direction?
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1813[15:56:17] <debianaaa> also updated the initramfs and grub - but it looks like theres maybe special modifications for this debian image which prevents needed modules from booting in virtualbox or so? anyone a clue?
1814[15:57:51] <Andrew_0010bit> debianaaa: I wish. I would've suggested chroot in this instance.
1815[15:58:08] <Andrew_0010bit> When it comes to Linux, though, I'll fresh install like a motherf*cker.
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1817[15:59:12] <debianaaa> yes i normally do the same - but for lazyness (old machine which i just want to move without spending hours to reinstall) and for education i like to get it running :)
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1823[16:00:12] <debianaaa> But youre right its more a linux thingy then a debian issue
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1826[16:00:35] <debianaaa> but it should be possible, and google doesnt help me out :(
1827[16:00:37] <petn-randall> debianaaa: OVH might be booting kernels/initramfs that are not on the disk. Also Virtualbox won't be providing the same PCI devices to the VM, so all you device config will be off.
1828[16:00:52] <petn-randall> !goal
1829[16:00:52] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
1830[16:00:56] <petn-randall> debianaaa: ^^^
1831[16:01:18] <petn-randall> debianaaa: In short, whatever you're trying to achieve, I probably wouldn't attempt it the way you do.
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1835[16:03:30] <debianaaa> My goal is to boot the machine and move it into a different network segment including the whole setup / apps its running. The kernel itself and initramfs is on the rootfs (it only has one root partition) so i guess its the one which is booting.. and isnt the configs / initramfs regenerated to a default one when i boot into a live cd, chroot and reinstall a 'newer' kernel?
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1853[16:07:21] <petn-randall> debianaaa: Have you verified that OVH does *not* use kernel/initramfs provided by them, which is outside of the rootfs? It's common practice by most "cloud" providers.
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1857[16:08:27] <petn-randall> debianaaa: If you have to, I'd rather migrate the services over to the new machine instead of doing a byte-accurate disk copy (which will likely not work).
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1859[16:08:29] <debianaaa> petn-randall: uname -a does at least match with the one in /boot
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1868[16:09:23] <debianaaa> not sure if they have a special config or so, but if i install a kernel from the debian repo and use this as boot it should work or ? This is at least what i tried
1869[16:09:35] <rptr43> Can someone do me a huge favor and report (paste.debian.net/998166 ) reportbug says it can not connect and then error 451
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1875[16:11:36] <petn-randall> rptr43: Better fix your setup, otherwise the maintainer will end up asking *me* follow-up questions.
1876[16:12:04] <petn-randall> rptr43: Showing the actual error you get from reportbug would be helpful.
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1880[16:13:14] <gvvg__> Hi - I'm trying to enable perl debugging on my system and I can't seem to get the apache conf directive to work - here is what's in a file in the conf-enabled replaced-url
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1882[16:13:33] <rptr43> petn-randall paste.debian.net/998167
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1887[16:15:11] <petn-randall> rptr43: "Temporary local problem - please try later" says it all.
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1890[16:15:43] <rptr43> Yes , and than after a while it says sorry I'm not willing to accept bug reports from you
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1897[16:16:56] <rptr43> it can be easily reproduced by installing the new kernel (from backports) and loading vhci-hcd
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1909[16:22:06] <rptr43> please ?
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1911[16:23:17] <petn-randall> rptr43: Just wait an hour and try again.
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1921[16:28:07] <ghoti> I'm looking for a small dependency-free method to submit passive Nagios checks for standard unix eservices like load, disk use, etc. that would either be a POSIX shell script or a static binary I could add to my internal package management system. Does something like this already exist? I could invent this wheel, but I'd rather not REinvent it.
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1924[16:30:23] <Andrew_0010bit> ghoti: replaced-url
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1930[16:33:30] <ghoti> Andrew_0010bit: thanks. Alas, NRPE solves a different problem. I have a few basic services, but I really *really* want to keep my installed package list low, and NRPE lets me execute .. Nagios plugins. What I'm looking for is...
1931[16:34:19] <ghoti> .. something that provides the basic functionality of a few common plugins, without the need to install perl or python or ruby or whatever the plugin developer of the day felt was the appropriate platform.
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1935[16:35:11] <ghoti> Something more along the lines of minimunin... replaced-url
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1938[16:36:56] <debianaaa> so nobody else has an idear how to get it running? :D
1939[16:37:05] <debianaaa> except copy everything..
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1943[16:38:51] <hellyeah> i want to install spring framework
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1945[16:38:56] <hellyeah> but debian repo has smt else
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1947[16:39:04] <hellyeah> spring - modern full-3D RTS game engine
1948[16:39:08] <hellyeah> i am confused
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1953[16:40:50] <tremolo> hellyeah: Are you looking for libspring-* packages?
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1956[16:41:24] <hellyeah> i am looking for spring framework
1957[16:41:39] <Andrew_0010bit> I se what you're saying ghoti.
1958[16:41:43] <hellyeah> does libspring package contain it
1959[16:41:46] <hellyeah> ?
1960[16:42:01] <mspo> hellyeah: shouldn't you just include it in your pom.xml?
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1962[16:42:44] <tremolo> I don't know. Package descriptions say: "modular Java/J2EE application framework"
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1966[16:43:02] <mspo> that sums it up
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1968[16:43:25] <mspo> tremolo: most of the time using spring would be outside of your operating system's packages
1969[16:44:01] <tremolo> Okay, I'm not familiar with it.
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1971[16:44:28] <mspo> tremolo: why do you need it then? :)
1972[16:44:34] <hellyeah> when you install intellij spring should come with that
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1974[16:44:39] <hellyeah> i dont know why it didnt come
1975[16:44:47] <hellyeah> i need spring framework
1976[16:44:48] <tremolo> mspo: I don't. hellyeah was looking for it.
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1978[16:45:41] <mspo> oh sorry
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1980[16:45:52] <mspo> hellyeah: why do you need spring?
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1984[16:47:26] <contrapunctus> Andrew_0010bit: how do I that?
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1991[16:51:25] <Andrew_0010bit> contrapunctus, assuming GUI: Right click on the Ethernet in the (by default) upper right-hand corner, go to settings, go to IPv4 and assign it a static IP address within your range.
1992[16:52:05] <Andrew_0010bit> contrapunctus, I also am a fan of getting a solid DHCP link (like through your USB adapter), running a ifconfig in the terminal and using those to put the information in. Good stuff to know.
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2003[16:56:45] <contrapunctus> Andrew_0010bit: my range? ._.'
2004[16:57:09] <contrapunctus> and I have no idea how to do the second thing you mentioned x-P
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2008[16:59:13] <Andrew_0010bit> replaced-url
2009[16:59:18] <hellyeah> in debian istere a way for installing related package
2010[16:59:34] <hellyeah> for example aptitude install libspring*
2011[16:59:40] <Andrew_0010bit> replaced-url
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2017[17:02:16] <hellyeah> there are a lot of package with libspring
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2019[17:02:23] <hellyeah> i want to install it with a command
2020[17:02:33] <hellyeah> aptitude install libspring-blah
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2049[17:13:53] <Iridos> hellyeah, you already said it… apt-get supports globbing
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2057[17:17:06] <mspo> anyone using replaced-url
2058[17:17:12] <FinalX> yes
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2069[17:20:15] <tyrion-mx> Hello, I am trying to use gpg to import a private key but it fails with "error sending to agent: No data callback in IPC". I cannot find a solution, any ideas?
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2077[17:21:06] <petn-randall> !context
2078[17:21:06] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on replaced-url
2079[17:21:09] <petn-randall> tyrion-mx: ^^^
2080[17:21:28] <tyrion-mx> thanks, give me a minute
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2087[17:23:52] <tyrion-mx> replaced-url
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2089[17:24:26] <tyrion-mx> I hope that's enough (I am running sid)
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2091[17:25:08] <tyrion-mx> the priv key is not listed with "gpg -K", but I can see the public key with "gpg -k"
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2108[17:29:49] <tyrion-mx> I did it again, just setting "export GPG_TTY=$(tty)" and it worked. I am not sure if it had anything to with it to be honest ..
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2110[17:30:28] <petn-randall> tyrion-mx: Oh, you're running sid! Thanks for beta-testing :). I'd check the bug tracker for existing reports, and if the issue is reproducible, report it.
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2115[17:31:54] <tyrion-mx> sure :)
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2134[17:43:11] <rawf> Hello folks.
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2136[17:43:57] <pragomer> rsync --exclude just ignores the exlusion. what can be the reason?
2137[17:44:15] <rawf> I put my laptop to sleep lastnight, but this morning it was offline -- despite the battery still having 30%. What can I do to check what might have hapened?
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2142[17:46:27] <petn-randall> rawf: You could check /var/log/kern.log if anything happened in that time. It would then indicate that the laptop woke up. If there's nothing, it means your battery just died, and the battery level wasn't correct.
2143[17:46:54] <jhutchins_wk> pragomer: Incorrect syntax.
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2151[17:49:40] <debianaaa> heyhey, i need some help: i wanted to clone a VM from a cloud provider (ovh) to run it on my local machine via virtualbox. What i did so far is to boot the vm into rescue - clone it via DD, copied the image to my local virtualbox vdi (dd as well) and started the vm. Now i get when i boot the following stuff: replaced-url
2152[17:49:48] <debianaaa> initramfs. the partition is as well fine (im able to mount it in with a live disk). I also tried to chroot and update the kernel to the latest version / installed vbox drivers
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2154[17:49:56] <debianaaa> also updated the initramfs and grub - but it looks like theres maybe special modifications for this debian image which prevents needed modules from booting in virtualbox or so? anyone a clue?
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2161[17:52:32] <petn-randall> debianaaa: As I said, do a clean reinstall and move your data over. Only OVH knows what they did with their images. Also, you don't know if OVH is using legacy BIOS or UEFI to boot, if they set up custom kernels to run faster on their infrastructure, etc, so you might sit quite a while on it to get it running this way.
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2170[17:54:25] <discovered> Is there any repo for oracle java ?
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2174[17:55:04] <pragomer> rsync -av --delete --progress --exclude "/media/synology/#recycle/" /media/synology/ /media/backup
2175[17:55:07] <pragomer> whats wrong here?
2176[17:55:19] <pragomer> #recycle is also copied
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2178[17:55:55] <debianaaa> petn-randall: youre prob. right.. looked a bit deeper into it and figured out they prob. use a default openstack
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2185[17:56:51] <mutante> pragomer:how about --exclude '#recycle' /media/synology/ /media/backup/
2186[17:57:02] <mutante> pragomer: i think it just wants to see the directory name, not the full path there
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2188[17:57:18] <pragomer> and ' instead of " ?
2189[17:57:42] <mutante> well, i do it because in examples ' is used, yea
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2193[17:58:46] <discovered> anyone please?
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2196[17:59:10] <pragomer> yes, that was the thing. with '#recycle' it worked perfect. thank you very very much
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2202[18:01:31] <mutante> pragomer: :) welcome
2203[18:01:38] <petn-randall> discovered: You'll have to Oracle, their Java is not distributable in Debian. Or just use openjdk.
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2208[18:03:14] <discovered> petn-randall, So i have to install it manually? Perhaps one year ago i have seen third part ppa
2209[18:03:38] <petn-randall> discovered: PPA is a Ubuntu thing. They don't exist in Debian.
2210[18:04:09] <discovered> yes...
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2212[18:04:31] <petn-randall> discovered: If a PPA worked fine with Debian then it's pure coincidence.
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2217[18:06:17] <pragomer> running rsync as root (with sudo) sets the ownership of the created folders to root although -a should preserve the ownerships.. right?
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2219[18:06:40] <jelly> !make-jpkg
2220[18:06:40] <dpkg> java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. replaced-url
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2222[18:06:49] <FinalX> pragomer: -a should preserve it, yes
2223[18:06:58] <somiaj> pragomer: It should, note if the uid's are different between the host/client it may not preserve the way you expect.
2224[18:07:21] <FinalX> there's multiple switches to control its behaviour though
2225[18:07:28] <jelly> discovered: you can download oracle java8 tarball and use ^^ to make an installable .deb out of it
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2227[18:07:45] <jelly> java9 is not supported yet I think
2228[18:07:53] <discovered> jelly, I will install java9
2229[18:07:54] <discovered> oh
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2232[18:09:09] <kirk781> Why do software developers provide PPA instead of pre-compile .debs ?
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2234[18:10:07] <petn-randall> kirk781: You'll have to ask Ubuntu. But I'm guessing it's because they're a full repository instead of just files you download by hand.
2235[18:10:52] <FinalX> PPA's are just a way of easily installing the package signing key and adding the repository for APT.
2236[18:11:10] <FinalX> nothing more really
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2241[18:12:25] <somiaj> kirk781: it allows things to be installable by apt. The biggest issue with PPA's in debian is the .debs are made for ubuntu, not debian, so dependencies, and libaries may not be the same, which could break your system. So generic advise is don't use a PPA in debina unless you are fully understanding the whole dependency tree of the package(s) you want to install.
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2245[18:13:00] <annadane> that being said, replaced-url
2246[18:13:10] <jelly> discovered: Iguess you can just unpack java9 tarball somewhere are use it the old fashioned way, adding to PATH and setting JAVA_HOME environment variable
2247[18:13:29] <discovered> on my system already java8 installed .. Can't remember how i did this, lol. apt-get remove java8 not working
2248[18:13:49] <jelly> discovered: what does "java -version" say?
2249[18:13:54] <mspo> from oracle.com downloads?
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2252[18:14:24] <kirk781> petn-randall : Yes, but these "full repos" only work for one system Ubuntu[that the authors create]. A wide range of Linux systems just can't use them. Giving a .deb and rpm package for their software would solve the situation for a large nos of distributions
2253[18:14:27] <discovered> jelly, java version "1.8.0_144"
2254[18:14:30] <mspo> I am doing that right now, in fact
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2256[18:15:04] <somiaj> kirk781: no it wouldn't, a PPA gives you a .deb file, it just allows you to access the .deb file and any dependecies with apt. Having a .deb file you could download would not sovle the issue PPA's have.
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2258[18:15:42] <somiaj> kirk781: the issue is ubuntu, debian, or any .deb based distro use different versions of libaries and dependencies, and a .deb file is built for a paticular system's libaries, which may not be compadable with another system that uses different versions.
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2260[18:16:07] <jelly> discovered: what does second line say?
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2262[18:16:42] <discovered> jelly, Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_144-b01) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.144-b01, mixed mode)
2263[18:16:56] <somiaj> discovered: which java might tell you where it is installed.
2264[18:17:02] <jelly> that looks like oracle java alright
2265[18:17:19] <discovered> it is in /usr/bin/java
2266[18:17:33] <jelly> discovered: and what does "dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which java))" say?
2267[18:17:35] <discovered> But first i wanted remove full java
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2269[18:17:39] <somiaj> discovered: is /usr/bin/java a link? ls -l /usr/bin/java
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2272[18:17:56] <jelly> somiaj: it's always a symlink on Debian
2273[18:18:20] <jelly> /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java -> ???
2274[18:18:27] <discovered> jelly, the package call oracle-java8-jdk :)
2275[18:18:49] <jelly> discovered: that means you've probably already done the make-jpkg thing
2276[18:18:55] <celyr> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: replaced-url
2277[18:19:01] <celyr> Any idea on what is going on ?
2278[18:19:09] <celyr> I get this error only in one machine
2279[18:19:19] <discovered> jelly, Hmmm... :)
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2281[18:19:38] <discovered> jelly, Should i try with java9 ?
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2283[18:20:19] <mikeymop> i have so badly mucked up my mariadb-server
2284[18:20:22] <jelly> discovered: it does not work yet
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2286[18:20:28] <mikeymop> i need to completely remove all of the databases
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2288[18:20:40] <mikeymop> does anyone know where the actual databases are stored because i cannot do this through sql shell
2289[18:20:59] <jelly> discovered: it being the make-jpkg script. There's an open bug for that I think
2290[18:21:17] <somiaj> mikeymop: what database server, and are you sure you want to remove them 'all', some of the databases contain important info about the actual users and access to the databases which you may not want to remove.
2291[18:21:30] <mikeymop> somiaj: mariadb
2292[18:21:36] <jelly> judd: bug 876426
2293[18:21:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2294[18:21:41] <mikeymop> and this is a fresh debian with just nextcloud
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2296[18:21:46] <discovered> oh... i see. Hope someone will fix it soon! I wanted to try java9
2297[18:21:53] <mikeymop> as long as it doesn't screw up debian, i just want to clean slate and start fresh
2298[18:22:00] <somiaj> mikeymop: I think they are in /var/lib/mariadb or something like that, but be careful, you sound like you have an XY problem.
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2300[18:22:15] <mikeymop> my issue is that my root user has no privs
2301[18:22:28] <somiaj> mikeymop: if you just want to completely start new, you could try to purge the packages and then reinstall them.
2302[18:22:31] <mikeymop> i started with a script to grant all privs, i tried starting in safe mode i tried everything its just so far gone
2303[18:22:44] <mikeymop> i tried that, purging i tried dpkg reconfigure
2304[18:23:00] <mikeymop> when i did that i ran the secure installation script but it cannot set root password
2305[18:23:08] <mikeymop> because root has no permission to edit 'users' table
2306[18:23:24] <mspo> hanks for that link to the java stuff
2307[18:23:28] <mikeymop> its just so fked up, i want to start clean without reinstalling debian
2308[18:24:24] <mikeymop> somiaj: i installed mariadb-server however there is only a mysql dir in /var/lib
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2311[18:25:22] <jhutchins_wk> mikeymop: That is where the databases are stored (in subdirectories).
2312[18:25:38] <jhutchins_wk> mikeymop: I would try the standard root password recovery method first though.
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2314[18:25:47] <mikeymop> i tried that
2315[18:25:51] <mikeymop> the issue is not hte password
2316[18:25:55] <mikeymop> i canot give root any privs
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2318[18:26:26] <celyr> found the problem
2319[18:26:33] <celyr> thanks anyway
2320[18:26:43] <mspo> newer mysql is hard on users too because of security plugins and stuff
2321[18:26:46] <mikeymop> ok so I removed those directories, there is still a root user
2322[18:26:51] <mspo> not sure if mariadb has similar things
2323[18:26:58] <mikeymop> I'm really not sure where these configs are sticking
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2325[18:28:13] <petn-randall> celyr: What was it?
2326[18:28:36] <mikeymop> can I safely remove all of the configs in /etc/mariadb?
2327[18:28:50] <jhutchins_wk> mikeymop: they're in the mysql database and the performancce_schema database.
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2329[18:29:07] <mikeymop> i erased them from the location on the disk you guys pointed me too
2330[18:29:09] <celyr> patsToms, /dev/sda1 19G 18G 0 100% /
2331[18:29:12] <jhutchins_wk> mikeymop: It's better to purge it with apt.
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2333[18:29:21] <celyr> well petn-randall
2334[18:29:27] <jhutchins_wk> mikeymop: After that you can clean up anything still left.
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2336[18:29:52] <mikeymop> i purged already
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2338[18:32:03] <annadane> celyr, it'd be helpful if you state what the solution was, so people know in future
2339[18:32:12] <annadane> ah, randall already asked that
2340[18:32:27] <mikeymop> jhutchins_wk: is there anywhere I should look besides etc and var?
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2342[18:33:02] <jelly> celyr: du -x / | sort -n | tail -n 40
2343[18:33:21] <petn-randall> celyr: As in, I didn't know the answer, but I'd be happy to pass the info along if someone in this channel has the same problem.
2344[18:33:25] <celyr> well
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2346[18:33:54] <jelly> "disk full" is not as much a problem as a symptom of a different problem
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2348[18:34:39] <petn-randall> celyr: Oh, disk full was meant for me, not patsToms. Heh :)
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2350[18:36:31] <jhutchins_wk> mikeymop: That should cover it.
2351[18:36:55] <mikeymop> it didnt'
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2353[18:37:03] <mikeymop> i think i'm just going to have to bite the bullet and reinstall
2354[18:37:15] <celyr> jelly, I'm already solving the problem :)
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2358[18:38:48] <discovered> perhaps java10 also going to be released in few months
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2365[18:41:09] <jelly> ,v openjdk-9-jdk
2366[18:41:11] <judd> Package: openjdk-9-jdk on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 9~b181-4~bpo9+1; buster: 9.0.1+11-1; sid: 9.0.1+11-1
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2371[18:44:41] <rawf> petn-randall: thanks for the tip. I didn't find anything though. I see my wireless interface deauthenticating lastnight when I closed my laptop, then the bootup this morning.
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2379[18:47:37] <petn-randall> rawf: I guess your battery is just getting old then. On my previous laptops I had the case where it still showed ~10% left, then just turned off. I think that's just a sign of age.
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2381[18:48:40] <rawf> petn-randall: I can resurrect the laptop without connecting power, and I've operated as low as 5%
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2387[18:49:33] <exedore6> rawf: As a battery ages, it’s ability to hold a charge decreases (I assume you know this). What you might not know is that your computer estimates the amount of free space by looking at the voltage of the battery.
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2390[18:49:50] <petn-randall> rawf: recently?
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2393[18:49:56] <exedore6> It makes a bunch of assumptions, about how much a full battery rill put out, etc.
2394[18:50:13] <rawf> petn-randall: Yes, and this battery is less than a year old.
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2396[18:51:01] <exedore6> And get’s that number. Thing is, the voltage drop off is not linear, and there’s a breakpoint where it drops off steeply.
2397[18:51:10] <rptr43> Can anyone please help with reporting a bug ? I think my ISP just blocks reportbug
2398[18:51:14] <exedore6> Can you get the battery up to 100%?
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2401[18:51:37] <rawf> exedore6: I can, and I realize this about battery capacity determination.
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2403[18:52:04] <rawf> But following one of these unexplained shutdowns, the laptop can be booted and operate as normal.
2404[18:52:25] <exedore6> It does sound like your battery is dying (like an old battery would). Is the battery low when the unexplained shutdown happens?
2405[18:52:25] <rawf> (without the power cable, that is)
2406[18:52:27] <petn-randall> rawf: No idea then. Maybe the battery disconnected for a second or something. I wouldn't put too much effort into if it only happened once.
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2408[18:53:57] <rawf> petn-randall: I think this was the third time it has happened. A wiggled battery is all that I can come up with for a cause.
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2410[18:54:24] <rptr43> rawf , you have a sanity check for the battery circuit
2411[18:54:33] <petn-randall> rawf: Can you maybe wiggle the battery on purpose and get it to turn off?
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2415[18:56:10] <exedore6> rawf: Additionally, do you have access to the same model battery? A swap with a working unit would isolate the problem quick. If not, I’d put a meter on the battery to see what voltage it puts out when it dies, compared to full.
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2423[18:58:44] <rawf> petn-randall: I have tried before, and again just now (more vigorously), but I didn't lose power.
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2428[18:59:48] <rawf> rptr43: what sanity check?
2429[19:00:21] <petn-randall> rawf: That is really weird then. Maybe a BIOS bug?
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2431[19:01:14] <rawf> exedore6: I am certain the battery is functioning, and that this is not caused by losing power. This has happened with over 80% capacity, and I have gone as low as 5% under high activity.
2432[19:02:16] <rawf> I'm going to check the BIOS for power management settings, I'll brb.
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2434[19:02:45] <exedore6> I think if you check voltages at those times (not calculated percentages) it might shine some light on the issue. I suspect the battery is defective in some way, and your percentages are built on a seat of lies.
2435[19:03:15] <petn-randall> rawf: I'd rather check if there are updates available.
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2464[19:10:36] <rawf> petn-randall: I recently updated the BIOS (this is a lenovo ThinkPad)
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2466[19:11:41] <petn-randall> rawf: Which model is this?
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2469[19:12:21] <rptr43> rawf , in the bios (depending on the laptop ) there is an option that check the charge values and if the circuit is working ok
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2480[19:14:22] <rptr43> rawf,it show you the battery voltage and charge voltage (and some other things ) , if your charge voltage is lower than the charging voltage for example it will show an error
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2482[19:15:33] <rawf> petn-randall: X220
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2484[19:16:04] <rawf> rptr43: There weren't any features to check the battery in the BIOS
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2489[19:16:20] <petn-randall> rawf: Ah, that should work fine then. I thought if it's brand new that it may have some quirks.
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2495[19:16:56] <rawf> Indeed, lenovo is pretty reliable for long term support.
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2497[19:17:33] <petn-randall> rawf: Other than a possibly flaky battery I have no idea then.
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2499[19:17:47] <rptr43> rawf , there is also the battery firmware upgrade you can download (if your laptop is in the list for it )
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2502[19:18:23] <rptr43> Which may enable that kind of tests
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2512[19:21:19] <rptr43> rawf: replaced-url
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2514[19:22:33] <rptr43> petn-randall , please ...
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2522[19:26:03] <petn-randall> rptr43: Please what?
2523[19:26:22] <rptr43> can you help me with the report , few hours had passed and I'm still blocked
2524[19:26:54] <rptr43> what I wish to report = paste.debian.net/998166
2525[19:26:59] <petn-randall> rptr43: Have you tried fixing your local setup yet? Because I don't have time to forward every bug report you have.
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2527[19:27:52] <rptr43> I have restarted my router , but other than that there isn't much I can do to force my ISP to behave
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2535[19:28:59] <petn-randall> !reportbug
2536[19:28:59] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
2537[19:29:02] <petn-randall> !reportbug mta
2538[19:29:02] <dpkg> The <reportbug> utility does NOT require you to run a local mail server (mail transport agent). When reportbug asks "Do you have a 'mail transport agent'?" say N (which is the default) and then, just as it says hit ENTER to use a Debian SMTP host.
2539[19:29:42] <petn-randall> rptr43: Try fixing your config with the above ^^^. If everything else fails, simply send that text as e-mail to bugs@debian.org, that's all there is to it.
2540[19:30:11] <petn-randall> Err, submit@bugs.debian.org that is.
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2542[19:30:42] <fasdfd> how do I update initramfs from livecd?
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2546[19:32:09] <fasdfd> because I have a grub-rescue on boot after fstab change
2547[19:32:55] <Elirips> Hello. During dist-upgrade I choose to keep the current phpmyadmin configuration. Where can I see the configuration file that shipped with the dist-ugprade?
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2551[19:33:54] <discovered> jelly, openjdk-9-jdk not exist in repos ?
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2553[19:34:08] <greycat> it'll typically be in some subdir of /etc/ and have a suffix like .dpkg-*
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2555[19:35:47] <greycat> just go to wherever your phpmyadmin configs are and do an "ls" and it should stand out
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2557[19:36:27] <mum0l> Hi guys! I am still struggling with my lsof command which hangs, maybe somebody have idea how to fix that? replaced-url
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2559[19:36:45] <RoyK> Elirips: it should be named .dpkg-new or something, in the same dir as the original
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2563[19:37:12] <greycat> .dpkg-dist I think
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2566[19:37:51] <robert45> hi guys, grub-install works on /dev/sdX disks but segfaults on raid software arrays /dev/mdX, any idea why?
2567[19:38:15] <petn-randall> robert45: segfaults?
2568[19:38:16] <RoyK> robert45: try a memory test first
2569[19:38:26] <RoyK> robert45: or at least upload the backtrace
2570[19:38:46] <petn-randall> robert45: Which release is this?
2571[19:39:04] <RoyK> robert45: if it segaults on the same place each time, it may be a bug, but often a segfault like that may be a hardware failure
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2573[19:39:51] <robert45> petn-randall RoyK tx, its Debian 7: replaced-url
2574[19:40:12] <RoyK> robert45: btw, don't install grub on /dev/mdX, it should be on the drives, and btw, never on raid-[56]
2575[19:40:12] <robert45> the /dev/md1 is /boot
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2577[19:40:26] <robert45> ah really? even if its /boot ?
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2579[19:40:36] <robert45> Im scary to perform a reboot now :$
2580[19:40:38] <RoyK> robert45: yes, because the bios doesn't know md
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2582[19:40:56] <robert45> anyway, never saw a segfault when running that command
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2584[19:41:13] <RoyK> robert45: pastebin 'cat /proc/mdstat'
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2586[19:41:15] <petn-randall> AFAIK grub-install is aware of mdraid and will install on all attached disks.
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2589[19:41:43] <SwedeMike> robert45: at boot time, /boot is treated as a regular read-only partition being booted to, then after initrd has been loaded it's then turned into a raid1 and mounted as /boot (typically)
2590[19:41:57] <robert45> RoyK here: replaced-url
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2596[19:42:30] <RoyK> robert45: listen to the swede - he knows a wee bit ;)
2597[19:42:50] <robert45> I understand, but the system shouldnt throw a segfault in there, isnt it?
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2599[19:43:01] <robert45> it should throw a clean erorr or something else
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2603[19:43:12] <RoyK> robert45: no it shouldn't, but then, there may be a bug
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2605[19:43:40] <RoyK> robert45: just install grub on the drives, that is, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, not on the partitions
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2612[19:45:06] <robert45> I see
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2614[19:45:58] <zepperoni> !brett
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2617[19:46:41] <jhutchins_wk> robert45: Which release are you installing?
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2619[19:48:09] <RoyK> replaced-url
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2621[19:49:14] <SwedeMike> RoyK: there was a patch released ~1-2 hours ago that fixes that.
2622[19:49:41] <RoyK> it's still a pretty ugly one :)
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2624[19:50:09] <robert45> jhutchins_wk what do you mean? I ran a apt-get update and found this error when dpkg-reconfigure ran grub
2625[19:50:16] <RoyK> and some people are just replaced-url
2626[19:50:31] <petn-randall> RoyK, SwedeMike: It is, but #debian-offtopic is better suited for this. :)
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2629[19:51:42] <mikeymop> is there a way to force apt to generate the directories required for a package?
2630[19:51:50] <jhutchins_wk> robert45: I was just wondering which release it was. You shouldn't get a segfault with a stable program.
2631[19:52:04] <jhutchins_wk> mikeymop: It usually does.
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2634[19:52:12] <frazr> Any 2017 2000$ laptops to recommend that runs really well with Ubuntu/Debian ?
2635[19:52:13] <greycat> !tell mikeymop about confmiss
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2637[19:52:23] <frazr> Hard to choose :)
2638[19:52:43] <greycat> If it's that new and that expensive, I would expect problems.
2639[19:53:08] <frazr> Yea, kind of my thoughts aswell, the dell xps 13 should work well
2640[19:53:10] <greycat> Debian does better on hardware that has been around for a couple years.
2641[19:53:11] <petn-randall> frazr: I'd go with any Lenovo thinkpad. Or try the prism series.
2642[19:53:15] <frazr> but its a bit below price range :D
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2644[19:53:22] <teraflops> xD
2645[19:53:22] <RoyK> dell and hp has some with official linux support, perhaps even lenovo
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2647[19:53:49] <robert45> jhutchins_wk I thought the same thing, its debian 7 wheezy
2648[19:53:54] <teraflops> ugh lenovo only supports windows 10
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2650[19:54:00] <jhutchins_wk> I would avoid HP.
2651[19:54:19] <frazr> Yeah HP is off the table :P never owned one, never will
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2654[19:54:24] <teraflops> they ship windows 10 signature edition these days
2655[19:54:26] <RoyK> HP is pretty bad on the hardware side, requiring HP hardware only
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2657[19:54:45] <jhutchins_wk> RoyK: You might go ahead and report that as a bug. It should fail more gracefully (possibly even telling you what's wrong).
2658[19:54:52] <teraflops> thinkpads are fine
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2660[19:55:03] <clemens3> system76 or purism comes to mind, but i have no experience with neither
2661[19:55:12] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: me?
2662[19:55:14] <frazr> have a t450 and 210 now, working really well, but im unsure about new models
2663[19:55:18] <jhutchins_wk> Dell sometimes sells Linux systems.
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2665[19:55:29] <greycat> if you meant robert45, reporting a bug on a wheezy package is probably a waste of time, but hey, you can if you want
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2668[19:55:36] <jhutchins_wk> RoyK: No, sorry, meant robert45
2669[19:55:40] <clemens3> there was a slashdot thread about linux on dell, mixed results i remember
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2673[19:56:19] <robert45> greycat why is that?
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2676[19:56:51] <greycat> because it's no longer supported, other than LTS
2677[19:56:57] <robert45> ah ok
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2679[19:57:08] <robert45> now that I googled it seems there is one pretty similar: replaced-url
2680[19:57:09] <RoyK> replaced-url
2681[19:57:09] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2682[19:57:33] <robert45> 2008 heh
2683[19:57:45] <frazr> the thinkpad x1 carbon seems to be the best option, but still a bit low on performance :P
2684[19:57:52] <teraflops> frazr: new model here and linux with 4.13 kernel works like a charm
2685[19:58:11] <greycat> ,kernels
2686[19:58:13] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
2687[19:58:14] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
2688[19:58:20] <frazr> teraflops: which model ?
2689[19:58:42] <teraflops> thinkpad 13 2nd gen, tested with ubuntu and archlinux
2690[19:59:33] <frazr> too cheap :D
2691[19:59:49] <mikeymop> greycat: thanks, it doesn't appear to have recreated the dirs that I lost
2692[20:00:04] <greycat> mikeymop: what package, what directory?
2693[20:00:08] <teraflops> yeah you can buy a 3k carbin if it makes you happier
2694[20:00:10] <mikeymop> mariadb-server
2695[20:00:12] <teraflops> carbon^
2696[20:00:17] <mikeymop> /var/lib/mysql/*
2697[20:00:20] <teraflops> almost same hw
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2700[20:00:59] <mikeymop> i tried to start the service and systemd fails, systemctl status mariadb shows a few errs releaved to /etc/mysql
2701[20:01:33] <mikeymop> it looks like it didn't create the folders under /etc/mysql or /etc/mariadb either
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2704[20:02:04] <greycat> mikeymop: the actual pacakge would be mariadb-server-10.1 or something. if you only reinstalled mariadb-server (without a version), that's just a metapackage that pulls in the dependency
2705[20:02:31] <mikeymop> i figured, i saw both 10 and 10.1
2706[20:02:45] <mikeymop> i'm still paging through all the dependecy errs when trying to so apt install mariadb-*
2707[20:03:06] <greycat> THAT would be a serious issue.
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2709[20:03:31] <frazr> teraflops: not me who buys, my new employer thats why i want an expensive one :D
2710[20:03:44] <mikeymop> yea, i'm throughly screwed ik. it looks like virtual-mysql-client is interfering
2711[20:03:57] <mikeymop> i did not install that package, am not sure if it's in stock install
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2714[20:04:24] <greycat> nothing with -mysql- in the name is part of a stock Debian install, especially stretch or later
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2717[20:05:07] <mikeymop> i cannot remove the virtual package, so I dont think i should
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2735[20:09:42] <mikeymop> greycat: theres nothing else that could try to recreate these directories?
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2737[20:09:58] <greycat> mkdir -p
2738[20:10:18] <greycat> but seriously, if you can't install packages with apt, you are going to have OTHER issues
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2740[20:10:47] <mikeymop> SO results say purge should remove this virtual package
2741[20:10:57] <mikeymop> so strange, I never had apt do this to me before
2742[20:12:19] <greycat> The package mariadb-client-10.1 provides "virtual-mysql-client" as a virtual package.
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2744[20:12:25] <greycat> beyond that, I don'
2745[20:12:31] <greycat> t know what issues you are actually having
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2755[20:15:26] <jhutchins_wk> mikeymop: When you manually delete files from installed packages you can really throw the system off. Expect it not to work as expected.
2756[20:15:49] <mandeep> how does one add a menu item in the Mate applications dropdown?
2757[20:16:03] <jhutchins_wk> !mate
2758[20:16:03] <dpkg> The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. replaced-url
2759[20:16:36] <mandeep> jhutchins_wk: it's not the same across distros but i guess ill ask there
2760[20:16:44] <mikeymop> jhutchins_wk: I understand that, I anticipate dd'ing this image back after 5
2761[20:17:00] <mikeymop> i figured, why not see if theres anything I can do other than apt -f install
2762[20:17:25] <mikeymop> like maybe flush the apt config and have it regen?
2763[20:17:34] <frazr> Thinkpad 25 would be sweet, probably going to settle on that one :D
2764[20:17:47] <frazr> should work fine running deb/ubuntu
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2766[20:18:29] <mikeymop> if expensive is what you want, a max'd out xps 15 should rack up the bill
2767[20:18:43] <mikeymop> i think the top config was 2.5k
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2769[20:18:57] <jhutchins_wk> mandeep: Yeah, menus can end up being a bit of a mystery. There's a fredesktop.org standard, but it's implemented differently.
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2772[20:20:03] <mandeep> jhutchins_wk: i found it. there's a main menu application in Applications->Accessories
2773[20:20:15] <jhutchins_wk> Cool.
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2775[20:21:04] <frazr> i'm unsure about the docking solution mikeymop , if its a hazzle getting multiple monitors to work
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2778[20:21:39] <mikeymop> i have the 13, same port config, I use a usb c dock that has monitors usbs the works
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2780[20:21:46] <mikeymop> probably not right for you if you like std docking stations
2781[20:22:03] <mikeymop> the high end inspiron series has docks I believe
2782[20:22:29] <Elirips> sorry, i was away. hm, there is no .dpkg-new or *dpkg* in /etc/phpmyadmin. note that I have finished the upgrade step, I chose to keep my existing file..
2783[20:22:33] <mikeymop> multiple monitors are effortless for me on both x and wayland using the intel gpu
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2790[20:25:04] <yuriescl> replaced-url
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2909[21:18:27] <castleguard> Hi there, I'd like some help with installation, I just started and I got stuck in a loop where it said that it says "attempting to find an available wireless network failed."
2910[21:19:06] <jhutchins_wk> castleguard: Probably because it can't find an available wireless network.
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2912[21:19:23] <castleguard> I tried using the name and I also tried leaving it blank, further on my other computer right now I'm just find while connected to wifi
2913[21:19:39] <castleguard> *fine
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2917[21:20:50] <teraflops> castleguard: or maybe your wireless nic needs firmware for being able to run correctly
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2920[21:21:11] <teraflops> or it's just the driver the installer is using sucks
2921[21:21:15] <teraflops> who knows…
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2926[21:22:39] <teraflops> castleguard: also, when you say "in the other computer" are you using same wireless nic? as in you release from 1 and plug it in 2?
2927[21:22:59] <greycat> 90% chance it's "needs firmware"
2928[21:23:04] <castleguard> I have two laptops
2929[21:23:04] <teraflops> yeah
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2932[21:23:34] <castleguard> ok, I'm booting off a USB, but I have access to another computer to download additional drivers, where should I put the files for the driver on the installer cd in order to get the driver to be recognized?
2933[21:23:35] <teraflops> castleguard: knowing the pciid or even model might help
2934[21:24:14] <castleguard> wlp12s0 is the wireless network interface, it's an intel3945 wireless card in a dell latitude d630 laptop
2935[21:24:36] <teraflops> castleguard: you can also download an iso with non free firmware
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2937[21:25:17] <castleguard> I think I resolved this last time by just putting the file in the "right place". what path should I put the driver in? (I'll go find the driver now)
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2939[21:25:30] <teraflops> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
2940[21:25:31] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1
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2945[21:27:03] <pacha> how do in which device a file is given its path?
2946[21:27:17] <yomm> Hi, Is dd the only way to create a bootable usb stick from a Debian.iso ? (Unetbootin is apparently not ok and I'm not running windows anymore for Rufus (which was super))
2947[21:27:49] <pacha> like some_command ~/file is on /dev/sda1, /usr/some_file is on /dev/sda2, etc
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2949[21:28:09] <castleguard> could someone tell me the file path to the firmware on the installation cd?
2950[21:28:09] <greycat> pacha: df, or mount
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2953[21:29:11] <pacha> greycat: is it possible to pass a filepath and get just the device? it is not for me, it is for a script for someone else
2954[21:29:11] <zerocool> hi guys, i am testing preseeding with stretch, my first run used the preseed.cfg but failed on partitioning because i put /dev/vda as the disk, the installer sees the first disk as /dev/sda
2955[21:29:23] <zerocool> now that this is fixed however it will not even use the file
2956[21:29:36] <greycat> pacha: "df /some/directory" will tell you the mount point for that directory
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2959[21:29:50] <zerocool> anyone familiar with preseeding? where can I check for clues as to what's going on?
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2962[21:30:09] <pacha> greycat: oh that I didnt know, thanks man
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2965[21:30:39] <rawf> castleguard: /lib/firmware
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2967[21:30:45] <castleguard> ty
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2969[21:31:20] <rawf> that is where the firmware blobs live
2970[21:31:29] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: Possibly a typo in the file?
2971[21:32:03] <zerocool> yeah im looking it over now and actually recreating this via the template... do you think that maybe it has something to do with the encoding?
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2974[21:32:37] <zerocool> jhutchins_wk: ^
2975[21:32:52] <rawf> castleguard: like this, replaced-url
2976[21:33:15] <awwal> simplest mail agent ?
2977[21:33:17] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: I'm really not familiar with preseed. Are you using Windows to set this up?
2978[21:33:42] <awwal> i mean an alternative for evolution, light and nn DE dependent
2979[21:34:16] <awwal> tui or cli, better
2980[21:34:20] <jhutchins_wk> awwal: That would be a mail client. I like alpine, many people like mutt.
2981[21:34:49] <awwal> jhutchins_wk, yeah mail client
2982[21:35:14] <awwal> for check my gmail account , almost
2983[21:35:41] <awwal> send and receive mails, basic stuff
2984[21:35:50] <jhutchins_wk> I think either of those will work.
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2987[21:36:15] <teraflops> awwal: thunderbird
2988[21:36:42] <awwal> ok, i will check alpine and learn more about mutt
2989[21:36:49] <teraflops> awwal: ah cli
2990[21:36:59] <teraflops> awwal: mutt is fine
2991[21:37:08] <teraflops> neomutt actually ^
2992[21:37:14] <awwal> teraflops thunderbird is too big for my needs
2993[21:37:19] <awwal> neomutt?
2994[21:37:26] <awwal> ,v neomutt
2995[21:37:27] <judd> Package: neomutt on amd64 -- sid: 20171027+dfsg.1-1
2996[21:37:27] <jhutchins_wk> I could never figure out even the basic local client configuration for mutt.
2997[21:37:28] <teraflops> yeah I did not read the cli/tui bits
2998[21:37:39] <teraflops> awwal: mutt is not that simple though
2999[21:37:51] <awwal> i don't like mutt
3000[21:37:57] <teraflops> awwal: and setting it up to yout liking will require time
3001[21:37:57] <awwal> complicated
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3003[21:38:00] <jhutchins_wk> That was after I configured sendmail manually without m4.
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3006[21:38:30] <awwal> i used a bit mutt just for local
3007[21:38:45] <teraflops> awwal: I do neomutt and I believe I have it the way I like but it took time and lot of reading
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3009[21:39:04] <teraflops> I say neomutt because iirc debian uses it
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3011[21:39:19] <greycat> as of stretch, yes
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3015[21:39:23] <awwal> oh, i'll look at it
3016[21:39:23] <zerocool> jhutchins_wk: i am writing the config in vscode and notepad++, uploading it to gitlab, copy and pasted from one place to another a few times, uploaded to the server via putty paste into nano...
3017[21:39:27] <teraflops> as in you install mutt and it pulls neomutt :P
3018[21:39:29] <zerocool> a mess i tell ye
3019[21:39:36] <teraflops> greycat: that's it
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3021[21:39:58] <awwal> jhutchins_wk, alpine is easy to set up?
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3023[21:40:46] <greycat> try it and see
3024[21:41:03] <teraflops> awwal: I like mine, I do gnupg, several accounts and custom mailcap for using libsixel
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3028[21:41:40] <zerocool> i've made sure my notepad++ is using unix settings, reworking the preseed from the template, we will see. On a side note when Debian boots it asks how I want to install, Graphical, Text, etc. It use to time out after like 10 seconds but now it never does, is that something i can fix?
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3032[21:42:26] <zerocool> By use to I mean before stretch... if my memory serves me right.
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3044[21:45:13] <jhutchins_wk> awwal: You can also use fetchmail to download everything to your local system and read it locally.
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3049[21:46:14] <gladioacuto> in 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (but the same happened in 4.9 and 4.14, resuming from hibernation/suspension I cannot mount USB device anymore in pcmanfm, getting 'Not authorized to perform this operation'. What's going on? How to fix?
3050[21:46:15] <castleguard> :) How do I find a distro with the non-free firmware on it?
3051[21:46:20] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: The installer is a weak point here, many of us have only run it once long ago.
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3053[21:46:28] <jhutchins_wk> !firmware
3054[21:46:28] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
3055[21:46:37] <castleguard> or with a package pre-installed, etc
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3064[21:49:28] <hitest> castleguard, there are unofficiial isos that have firmware added. I've used them successfully. replaced-url
3065[21:49:50] <castleguard> hitest, thanks ;)
3066[21:50:01] <hitest> you're welcome :)
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3075[21:52:05] <awwal> an open source gmail client, terminal based will be nice, such as 'translate' cli pkf for google translate
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3077[21:52:33] <awwal> jhutchins_wk, ok, thanks (also 'getmail')
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3080[21:53:04] <matea> what are you using debian testing or stable?
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3085[21:54:29] <greycat> If you want to talk about testing, go to #debian-next on the OFTC network.
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3088[21:56:04] <matea> i am unsure if i should switch to testing? but thx for #debian-next
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3091[21:56:55] <greycat> If the only reason you would do so is "because it has bigger package version numbers" then the answer is no.
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3095[21:58:06] <matea> it is the reason :)
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3100[21:59:11] <awwal> replaced-url
3101[21:59:32] <greycat> wfm
3102[21:59:38] <`Kevin> ^
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3104[22:00:05] <greycat> someone else reported an error on p.d.o the other day, though, so there could be some intermittent issue going on
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3106[22:00:50] <awwal> teraflops, btw, for screen nocturne mode, 'sct' is nice, cli and very simple (just 26 kb, if not wrong :P)
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3109[22:01:32] <teraflops> awwal: maybe I misunderstood what you asked for
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3116[22:05:12] <awwal> traflops, it was yesterday :P nvm
3117[22:05:41] <awwal> you suggested me redshift, I found a simplest one 'sct'
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3119[22:05:49] <awwal> teraflops
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3121[22:05:55] <n4dir> if the reason is version number (to switch to testing), then often the answer could just as well be debian-backports
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3123[22:06:49] <greycat> No, backports is the answer to "I need feature X, but I don't want to jeopardize stability of everything else."
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3126[22:06:56] <n4dir> :-)
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3128[22:07:07] <greycat> Backports is not the answer to "My self-worth is defined by adding up all of the version numbers on my computer."
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3130[22:07:55] <n4dir> i didn't even bother yet to add backports (and for the kFreeBSD installations i see no problems in using old-stable)
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3133[22:08:19] <zerocool> jhutchins_wk: going over my notes very slowely i was packing the initrd.gz into the 32bit dir on a 64bit image -_- this is why it wasn't being read/used
3134[22:08:24] <zerocool> so dumb
3135[22:08:26] <zerocool> per usual
3136[22:08:36] <n4dir> the other day i thought about adding backports. Then i couldn't find a package i might need it for ...
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3138[22:08:52] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: Hey, but you found it, so good.
3139[22:09:17] <jhutchins_wk> zerocool: You ought to see the dumb things I've done in MySQL getting back to it after ten years.
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3141[22:09:53] <jhutchins_wk> I granted access to "database.*" 'cause I cut&pasted.
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3144[22:11:49] <mspo> is there a good howto for mirroring/aggregating my own apt repos?
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3149[22:13:39] <Mathisen> mspo, replaced-url
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3152[22:14:18] <martin__> msg nickserv identify marcin12
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3154[22:14:32] <Mathisen> martin__, time to change password and fast
3155[22:14:34] <`Kevin> martin__: changeit
3156[22:14:46] <martin__> lawl wrong nickname anyway ;p
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3159[22:14:58] <cusco> hello folks. How does debian know the name of the network interface to be ens1 or 2 or 3 ?
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3161[22:15:29] <greycat> cusco: the kernel, udev or systemd decides that, based on the type of hardware
3162[22:15:54] <greycat> cusco: replaced-url
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3165[22:16:23] <cusco> thanks greycat
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3169[22:16:40] <cusco> weird a vps is having ens4 and ens6 then changes to ens 3 and ens4
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3175[22:18:51] <martin__> does anyone use GPU passthough with single card on nvidia with proprietary driver or managed to setup nvidia proprietary alongside intel with multi screen ?
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3182[22:22:16] <castleguard> Ok, so I downloaded from sourceforge a .tgz file that had the .h and .c and .tar driver files in it, and put it in /firmware on the installation media, then tried again, it told me I needed two more files and I put one of them in and continued and it worked. (for setting up oldschool wifi). Then I got through the part of the installation where it says that it can't detect the cd rom so you have to mount the usb as a cdrom.
3183[22:22:16] <castleguard> windows installation = so good, usage = so bad. :) it's the opposite for linux. :)
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3186[22:23:23] <greycat> *.c and *.h files are source code. They have to be compiled into usable drivers, using kernel headers and other stuff.
3187[22:23:26] <martin__> castleguard, what are you trying to do ?
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3190[22:23:41] <martin__> castleguard, greycat is right there
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3192[22:23:46] <greycat> Just putting *.c files on a USB stick won't help you get a device working.
3193[22:24:02] <martin__> castleguard, you're better off trying to find compiled binary
3194[22:24:54] <greycat> For most people, the answer is typically "Install using the image that includes firmware."
3195[22:25:20] <castleguard> what is a ucode file?
3196[22:25:26] <greycat> !firmware images
3197[22:25:26] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
3198[22:25:31] <martin__> greycat, well either that or if it's not in nonfree / contrib then just use *Other Distribution* .deb ;)
3199[22:25:38] <greycat> castleguard: I would guess microcode.
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3202[22:25:54] <PrincessZelda> ucode is microcode
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3204[22:25:55] <castleguard> ty
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3206[22:26:15] <greycat> u is a common ASCII alternative for μ
3207[22:26:15] <castleguard> awesome ty
3208[22:26:24] <castleguard> yes I don't know braindead right now. :)
3209[22:26:26] <n4dir> i for one can't say that installing windows is straight forward (mainly hunting for the drivers)
3210[22:26:27] <castleguard> ty
3211[22:27:04] <castleguard> n4dir, sorry that was a bit trollish
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3214[22:27:22] <n4dir> only a sidenote. no need for a sorry.
3215[22:27:41] <martin__> n4dir, you can always use SDI ( not to defend windows tho )
3216[22:27:46] <PrincessZelda> n4cht: neither linux is tbh
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3219[22:28:13] <n4dir> back then, when i installed windows for the lulz, it often took me for sure an afternoon, and sometimes the whole weekend. Debian, including configuring everything? round the lines of an hour.
3220[22:28:23] <annadane> same.
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3222[22:28:32] <annadane> don't see how anyone uses windows. anyway, offtopic
3223[22:28:34] <martin__> n4dir, meant Snappy Driver Origin
3224[22:28:46] <PrincessZelda> This is #debian , not ##windows .
3225[22:28:56] <n4dir> martin__: thanks a lot, but i gave up on it. too much headaches
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3228[22:29:29] <martin__> PrincessZelda, funny enough I actually use Debian to deploy Windows, and where shall I go now xD ?
3229[22:29:40] <PrincessZelda> PXE?
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3233[22:30:16] <martin__> iPXE + custom kernel / init + parted magic
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3237[22:30:39] <PrincessZelda> custom kernel for windows?
3238[22:30:58] <martin__> for linux to generate sysprep for windows based on hardware
3239[22:31:04] <PrincessZelda> oh ok
3240[22:31:06] <martin__> it's actually not so much debian
3241[22:31:11] <martin__> but server runs it
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3245[22:31:38] <PrincessZelda> I think there are some peoples here who uses self-compiled kernels.
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3247[22:32:02] <martin__> did i say parted magic? i meant partclone lulz sorry
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3263[22:39:50] <castleguard> ok, so I got to root :) I would like to install firmware-iwlwifi package now. how do I do that from prompt?
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3266[22:40:05] <martin__> apt install firmware-iwlwifi
3267[22:40:15] <greycat> edit sources.list, changing "main" to "main contrib non-free", apt-get update, apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
3268[22:40:34] <martin__> ahh ye unless u didn't do that also already
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3277[22:44:16] <n4dir> usually wiki.debian.org tells you exactly how to do it (for firmware), including the need to add contrib and non-free (probably many sources, like the bot here, but i always use wiki.debian.org)
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3281[22:45:18] <martin__> castleguard, alternatively use this 1 liner "wget replaced-url
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3283[22:45:29] <martin__> as root
3284[22:45:36] <castleguard> ty
3285[22:45:44] <greycat> problem with that, obviously, being that the version number may change in the future
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3288[22:46:04] <martin__> greycat, he just want his wifi to start working ;)
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3290[22:46:17] <martin__> greycat, let him start to like os he will learn the rest later;)
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3296[22:46:41] <JordiGH> Is GNU/kFreeBSD dead?
3297[22:46:45] <JordiGH> or sleeping
3298[22:46:48] <n4dir> might be better to start learning it right straight from the beginning.
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3300[22:47:19] <martin__> n4dir, he started the hard way - with Debian
3301[22:47:26] <n4dir> JordiGH: Not sure, you sure can install old-old-stable and upgrade it to old-stable, you will get answer is the IRC channel, i haven't figured out yet if you can upgrade to sid
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3303[22:47:42] <martin__> if it was something else I wouldn't make 1 liner but since it's about wifi driver than let's be nice
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3305[22:47:54] <n4dir> that is: not dead yet, for sure, the future? we will see ...
3306[22:48:00] <greycat> n4dir: you really need to be on current stable (or testing) to upgrade to sid
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3309[22:48:40] <n4dir> yeah, forgot that. I didn't even investigate if it is possible at all. (From what you say: probably not)
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3311[22:49:36] <martin__> n4dir, ohh cmon just boot from live / single user and deboostrap version you want to root xD
3312[22:49:39] <martin__> (joke)
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3314[22:50:07] <martin__> tho it might work with some configuration problems xD
3315[22:50:26] <n4dir> martin__: JordiGH asked about kFreeBSD. That is ( a bit ) different.
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3318[22:50:50] <PrincessZelda> martin__: Let's not make his life more harder as it is :)
3319[22:50:51] <martin__> oh oh , sorry
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3321[22:50:58] <greycat> I don't think anyone was attempting to answer JordiGH
3322[22:51:10] <greycat> ... oh, guess I was wrong
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3324[22:51:51] <n4dir> best might be he will ask in the according IRC channel (it ain't that active, hence i quickly gave the very bit i know).
3325[22:52:02] <martin__> my only experience with *BSD* is pfSense...
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3329[22:52:29] <PrincessZelda> pfSense is based on FuckBSD
3330[22:52:37] <PrincessZelda> *FreeBSD. Sorry, auto-correction.
3331[22:52:42] <martin__> hahaha xD
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3335[22:54:36] <PrincessZelda> Kernel 4.7 and above gives me an "microcode SW error." with my iwlwifi 3160 ...
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3337[22:55:34] <castleguard> I got to root and I have a command prompt, any idea how to connect to the net so that I can ping google? :)
3338[22:56:00] <PrincessZelda> Looks like a very known and still up-to-date bug (last post: 19 Nov): replaced-url
3339[22:56:02] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3340[22:56:04] <martin__> castleguard, well either use network-manager or manually configure in /etc/network/interfaces
3341[22:56:21] <greycat> castleguard: replaced-url
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3343[22:56:33] <castleguard> I don't think network-manager comes by default - I tried typing nmtui and nothing came up
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3345[22:56:57] <PrincessZelda> castleguard: It only comes when you select a desktop at the installation tasksel dialog.
3346[22:57:08] <martin__> castleguard, if it's fresh install it might be easier for you to use debian+ non free firmware iso then
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3350[22:57:26] <greycat> I think he's saying he already got the firmware.
3351[22:57:27] <martin__> castleguard, replaced-url
3352[22:57:32] * PrincessZelda have tried the firmware iso and it failed ...
3353[22:57:32] <n4dir> check if ifconfig and dhclient is installed, castleguard (else i don't know the new commands) also: are you able to connect wired?
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3355[22:57:49] <n4dir> if you already got the firmware: forget what i said.
3356[22:57:50] <martin__> n4dir, for ifconfig u need net-tools in stretch
3357[22:58:06] <martin__> use ip addr to identify interface
3358[22:58:12] <martin__> "ip addr"
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3360[22:58:23] <castleguard> ok, I was already on that wiki page and the /etc/network/interfaces was not there by default (I didn't put in a desktop yet), so I'll just put that in now and see what happens. :)
3361[22:58:27] <PrincessZelda> wpa_passphrase "SSID" "Password" > wpa.tmp && wpa_supplicant -i your_wifi_interface -c wpa.tmp -B && dhclient
3362[22:58:28] <PrincessZelda> done
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3366[22:58:58] <greycat> I... don't know how to interpret what he's saying.
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3368[22:59:03] <martin__> PrincessZelda, this wouldnt work after reboot ;)
3369[22:59:08] <greycat> He seems to use language in a sloppy way.
3370[22:59:17] <castleguard> n4dir, no ethernet cable that I can find in my house - probably left it all at my last residence
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3372[22:59:27] <PrincessZelda> martin__: no. it's just temporary.
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3376[23:00:12] <castleguard> nvm found it (interfaces file)
3377[23:00:17] <greycat> *hopefully* he meant "the wlan stuff wasn't in /etc/network/interfaces yet" and not "there is no /etc/network/interfaces files"
3378[23:00:20] <PrincessZelda> Can anyone confirm the bug I've posted above? I'm experiencing it, even with the newest firmware installation media
3379[23:00:25] <martin__> castleguard, I've mentioned it
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3382[23:01:01] <PrincessZelda> bug #815037
3383[23:01:04] <PrincessZelda> !bug
3384[23:01:04] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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3386[23:01:10] <PrincessZelda> !bug #815037
3387[23:01:16] <PrincessZelda> ???
3388[23:01:42] <greycat> ,bug 815037
3389[23:01:43] <PrincessZelda> !help
3390[23:01:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3394[23:03:50] <n4dir> quick one: is the name scheme -dev a debian thing, or is it usual in other distros too?
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3396[23:04:14] <PrincessZelda> You mean with packages?
3397[23:04:20] <n4dir> yeah
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3400[23:04:30] <PrincessZelda> These are usually developer stuff
3401[23:04:39] <PrincessZelda> some distros have -devel or whatever
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3405[23:04:59] <n4dir> Yes, but it is only to be found in debian or also in other distros? To me it sound very debian-like
3406[23:05:10] <PrincessZelda> it sounds so, yes
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3409[23:05:18] <PrincessZelda> But Red Hat and CentOS uses -devel
3410[23:05:23] <PrincessZelda> As well as openSUSE
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3412[23:05:42] <PrincessZelda> Ubuntu uses -dev too (it's based on Debian, tho)
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3414[23:06:02] <n4dir> wondering why slackbuilds complain about a missing *-dev file, but that really is offtopic here ...
3415[23:06:13] <PrincessZelda> Try #slackware
3416[23:06:28] <n4dir> i would, but you need to register or such.
3417[23:06:38] <PrincessZelda> ##slackware
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3431[23:09:32] <martin__> anyone using gpu passthough with vfio ?
3432[23:09:56] <martin__> on nvidia
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3448[23:17:25] <razer1> I've noticed Firefox stalls and a loud CPU noise happens. I searched and found reports of firefox doing this going back many years and people say to disable hardware acceleration. I'm not sure if that will work.
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3453[23:18:14] <razer1> Also, I thought I should switch to Chromium or Vivaldi maybe. However, Vivaldi is not in the repository. The website has a .deb package, but I believe it is risky to install packages outside APT. I also don't know if it was made for Ubuntu or Debian.
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3455[23:18:43] <PrincessZelda> Ubuntu is based on Debian. It'll be for both then.
3456[23:18:46] <SuperTramp83> razer1: which version of firefox?
3457[23:18:49] <Mathisen> there should be no problem if you use the .deb
3458[23:19:14] <razer1> I've got Firefox 52.5.0 (64-bit)
3459[23:19:31] <razer1> I heard that .deb packages can install on Debian even if made for Debian, but it can cause problems sometimes and break the system.
3460[23:19:33] <SuperTramp83> razer1: try 57, it really is another browser..
3461[23:19:42] <martin__> I've found Chromium to always be faster than Firefox and less resources heavy...
3462[23:20:14] <razer1> I actually tried to upgrade from stable to testing and couldn't get it to work. I think my system may have been broken from something I did in the past like using Make Install. The Debian.org page called "Don't Break Debian" says not to use Make Install.
3463[23:20:24] <PrincessZelda> I, personally, stay at the ESR. I don't need the newest features :)
3464[23:20:36] <martin__> razer1, it can work but some deps might not be easy to met
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3466[23:20:54] <martin__> razer1, tho versions are almost the same between ubuntu lts and debian stable recently
3467[23:21:02] <PrincessZelda> razer1: never run make install as root, unless it's kernel-related.
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3470[23:21:34] <razer1> Yeah, Chrome was always the fastest I think on Windows and I assume Chromium on Linux would be too. However, I think I liked the way bookmarks are handled much better on Firefox as the major thing and also how I get a full bar to grab at the top of the window. Not sure if I can enable that on Chromium.
3471[23:21:49] <SuperTramp83> PrincessZelda: *unless you don't trust the source
3472[23:22:06] <martin__> "chrome://bookmarks/"
3473[23:22:11] <martin__> and pin it ;)
3474[23:22:21] <PrincessZelda> SuperTramp83: If so you shouldn't use a computer then :P
3475[23:22:33] <SuperTramp83> yeah... :)
3476[23:22:35] <PrincessZelda> All the microcodes etc
3477[23:23:00] <razer1> Yeah I've pinned chrome://bookmarks. I think the thing I didn't like is how all the folders are expanded by default. It makes it nearly impossible for me to find anything.
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3479[23:23:21] <SuperTramp83> PrincessZelda: what I'm saying AFAIK is compiling software should NOT fuck up apt..
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3481[23:23:36] <PrincessZelda> SuperTramp83: I agree.
3482[23:23:46] <razer1> Well, compiling and installing it. If it is just compiled and a stand alone binary then of course not.
3483[23:24:05] <martin__> razer1, you don't use search for your bookmarks ?
3484[23:24:20] <martin__> it's the best way to find stuff there to be honest
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3487[23:24:29] <PrincessZelda> That's why I also always use --prefix=/somewhere/on/my/disk
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3491[23:24:52] <razer1> martin__ Actually I've been thinking they should integrate search more for bookmarks. But I think the issue is I don't remember the folder name, or when I'm creating a bookmark I'm not searching. I'm looking for the folder name visually.
3492[23:25:15] <martin__> razer1, it's in the top right corner integrated very well ;)
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3494[23:25:44] <razer1> martin__ Well I've been telling myself to try searching my bookmarks more first before searching google so I can review what I've already bookmarked.
3495[23:25:57] <martin__> razer1, got ya mate;)
3496[23:26:17] <razer1> Google could probably integrate the two so you get your bookmark results together with google search results.
3497[23:26:26] <razer1> One search and all results. It makes a lot of sense.
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3501[23:27:30] <martin__> razer1, I bet there's a plugin for that
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3503[23:28:11] <martin__> razer1, there's a lot of bookmarks plugins btw ;)
3504[23:28:14] <martin__> you should look them up
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3511[23:29:47] <razer1> Vivaldi might be nice to have in the repository though. I think it is the most popular Chromium based browser, thought not very popular.
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3514[23:30:55] <martin__> it's not chromium based;)
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3523[23:31:43] <martin__> It's Blink / Webkit based but not based off Chromium
3524[23:31:55] <martin__> only rendering engine is the same
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3531[23:33:24] <castleguard> (still working through installation, I have it to the point where it boots to terminal, connected to wifi...) I run into Package 'firmware-iwlwifi' has no installation candidate... so I'm curious why apt install firmware-iwlwifi isn't working...
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3533[23:33:59] <PrincessZelda> Have you added non-free into /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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3536[23:34:12] <castleguard> PrincessZelda, no, I will do that, thanks!
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3542[23:36:39] <razer1> And contrib as well. "contrib non-free"
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3544[23:37:04] <castleguard> PrincessZelda, :) googled what you wrote, found examples, tried, failed, did apt-get update, then tried, success. :)
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3548[23:37:39] <PrincessZelda> :)
3549[23:37:52] <martin__> castleguard, we're glad now you owe everyone Pizza;)
3550[23:37:56] <razer1> On Gnome desktop Firefox is the Default installed. Not Chromium. Maybe that should be changed.
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3552[23:38:58] <martin__> razer1, the idea behind firefox being installed is that open source community don't wanna support google spy engine ;)
3553[23:38:59] <PrincessZelda> razer1: Because you don't like Firefox it doesn't mean that it should be replaced with Chromium in the standard GNOME desktop installation.
3554[23:39:10] <martin__> existing in chromium also once you log in your google account
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3556[23:40:00] <PrincessZelda> martin__: Funny thing, most users uses google.com in other browsers. How ironically is this ...
3557[23:40:14] <mutante> it's almost like Google broke Hangouts on Firefox fully on purpose, because that's what a bunch of people have chromium for.. just that .. grrr
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3560[23:40:47] <razer1> mutante: They were discussing that on Late Night Linux podcast. Another said they just don't care or test it on Firefox.
3561[23:40:58] <martin__> PrincessZelda, using google.co.uk is not the same as using their browser;) tho they can track a lot of activity through js scripts etc
3562[23:41:00] <mutante> using google.com in FF isn't the same as using chrome for every webpage though
3563[23:41:17] <mutante> razer1: oh, ... interesting.. and meh
3564[23:41:20] <PrincessZelda> martin__: Google Analytics & Co. is the word you might looking for.
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3568[23:42:18] <martin__> PrincessZelda, I know how they can track your activity tho, you can actually use adblock / origin to block JS not to track even your mouse movement, disable cookies, disable JS etc
3569[23:42:27] <martin__> if you use their browser u're done
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3572[23:42:42] <PrincessZelda> But, to make it clear, if you don't trust Google, do you even trust your own ISP then?
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3575[23:42:58] <martin__> PrincessZelda, it's not about trust lol
3576[23:43:05] <zro> i wasnt paying attention, and i think I destroyed my system somehow with apt-get dist-upgrade. Now I can't startx and when I try and apt-get install or upgrade anything i get "linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 : Depends: linux-base (>=3~) but it is not installed".... any ideas? or i did I just screw myself?
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3578[23:43:17] <martin__> PrincessZelda, it's about gathering ad statistics worldwide, not doing something nasty
3579[23:43:28] <martin__> if i do something nasty I don't need browser at all ;)
3580[23:43:28] <PrincessZelda> You started with saying Chromium spies. You need to trust the remote server8s) and the software you're connecting and using.
3581[23:43:34] <PrincessZelda> *server(s)
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3583[23:43:51] <martin__> spies on your behaviour, to actually sell you the products
3584[23:43:57] <martin__> you think how Google is making money ?
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3586[23:44:12] <PrincessZelda> Google Cloud and their search engine
3587[23:44:20] <martin__> ADS
3588[23:44:28] <martin__> is 99% of their profit
3589[23:44:33] <n4dir> netsurf and dillo to the rescue ...
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3594[23:45:35] <martin__> PrincessZelda, do me a favor
3595[23:45:39] <martin__> and google hotjar;)
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3597[23:45:57] <martin__> and that's what they can do without you using their browser;)
3598[23:46:03] <martin__> just imagine what they do if you actually do
3599[23:46:23] <PrincessZelda> martin__: It's not about how X makes money with Y. It's what software and connection you can and want to trust. If you don't trust Google, who do you trust then? Nearly everyone spies on you, and yes, even your ISP spies on you by receiving your routers information and what servers and routes you've accessed. Who will you trust more now?
3600[23:47:33] <jelly> martin__, PrincessZelda: move this to #debian-offtopic please, or go back to discussing specific tools to solve specific issues in debian
3601[23:47:38] <martin__> PrincessZelda, meh but only google have such a big database, clientbase etc to sell this information and make profit out of the fact that you've been looking for BMW M5 last week and u spend 5 mins on it's picture compared to new AUDI etc.
3602[23:47:44] <n4dir> because everyone does it doesn't mean you have to make it easy for everyone
3603[23:48:07] <martin__> PrincessZelda, if you get what I mean ...
3604[23:48:11] <n4dir> eben moglen has nice speeches on ... urgh .. youtube.
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3606[23:48:24] <razer1> Oh, nice, Chromium has a right click and check the setting "Use system title bar and boarder" So you have nice big gnome bar to grab. You can't do that on Windows.
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3608[23:48:37] <n4dir> which leads to the freedombox project, which is a nice subject in general , the debian wiki knows more
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3611[23:49:56] <jelly> zro: which debian release are you supposed to have installed?
3612[23:50:04] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
3613[23:50:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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3617[23:50:53] <razer1> Anyone know why when I search for the media player "Clementine" I don't get a result for the player, but only a gnome-shell-extension?
3618[23:51:07] <jelly> razer1: a search where?
3619[23:51:16] <razer1> I tried using APT and Synaptic.
3620[23:51:27] <razer1> And the Gnome software app
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3622[23:51:40] <jelly> razer1: does it show in "apt-cache search clementine"
3623[23:51:47] <martin__> "apt search clementine" ?
3624[23:51:53] <martin__> it gives results for both
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3628[23:52:30] <razer1> Not for me. I just tried apt-cache. Only one result. I'm using Debian testing iso fresh install.
3629[23:52:37] <zro> jelly: jessie
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3631[23:53:06] <jelly> razer1: eh, testing can be broken in a myriad ways, you get what you paid for
3632[23:53:13] <zro> i dunno wtf i did, but i think i wrecked it, and im kicking myself
3633[23:53:37] <n4dir> razer1: if you don't know why some packages might not be in testing sometimes, then you should reconsider if testing is the right distro.
3634[23:54:00] <razer1> n4dir: Does that mean that package isn't available because it isn't compatible with testing?
3635[23:54:09] <n4dir> go to packages.debian.org, check for clementine, then do the test for buster too. Not there right now. For what reason ever
3636[23:54:18] <jelly> zro: if you want help fixing installability, it would be nice to show the "basic apt troubleshooting" info somehow. You got curl installed?
3637[23:54:31] <jelly> ,v clementine
3638[23:54:32] <judd> Package: clementine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1+dfsg-2+b1; jessie: 1.2.3+dfsg-2+b1; stretch: 1.3.1+git276-g3485bbe43+dfsg-1; sid: 1.3.1+git276-g3485bbe43+dfsg-1.1+b1
3639[23:54:39] <zro> jelly: ya, i have curl
3640[23:54:40] <razer1> I was using Stable, but somebody told me to use Unstable, so I thought testing would be a good middle ground. I also saw the distro based on Debian Sid called Siduction.
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3642[23:54:53] <jelly> razer1: it's not in buster (current testing branch) at all, at the moment
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3644[23:55:10] <jelly> !sid faq
3645[23:55:10] <dpkg> replaced-url
3646[23:55:15] <jelly> razer1: ^^
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3648[23:55:22] <jelly> !debian-next
3649[23:55:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3652[23:55:28] <n4dir> some think so, some think so: but there is the option to run a mixed testing/unstable system (cause apps can be in sid which are not in testing)
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3654[23:55:48] <jelly> razer1: testing is for users that want to help fixing bugs for the next release of debian.
3655[23:55:59] <razer1> jelly: aparently it really is.
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3657[23:56:31] <n4dir> if you can't quickly change apps then testing ain't the best option. In general: if you rely on <xyz>
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3659[23:56:48] <razer1> I need to downgrade to stable if possible. Or re-install.
3660[23:56:56] <n4dir> downgrade isn't possible
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3662[23:57:01] <jelly> if you're not very comfortable with debian tools and packaging and ways those can go wrong, testing or unstable is probably not for you
3663[23:57:07] <razer1> apt dist-downgrade
3664[23:57:07] <apt> downgrade is probably not possible with apt-get at the moment and probably never will be supported because why would you want to downgrade in the first place? Not possible because some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later...but if you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read replaced-url
3665[23:57:27] <n4dir> razer1: stable with backports is a good option, imho
3666[23:57:56] <n4dir> testing can be fun on a test-box, or in an emulator, or such. if you need to waste some time
3667[23:57:57] <razer1> n4dir: Oh, I'll have to familiarize myself with backports.
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