1[00:03:45] <Oksana> teatime : Thank you. I just happen think
that since GUI exists, then everything should be doable via GUI.
Including upgrades from one release to another. I think I have
successfully upgraded to stretch by now, even though it has taken
three or four attempts to do so.
15[00:08:16] <setuid> teatime: Right, so I've got this
monstrous bootstrap and it installs a large number of packages in a
single apt-get -y install pipeline, I'd rather pare that down
to a smaller subset that satisfies the same result.
16[00:08:16] <teatime> setuid: you can look at reverse depends
for a package with apt-rdepends --reverse or apt-cache --rdepends
(in those two "rdepends" one r means recursive and one
means reverse)
17[00:08:23] <setuid> vs. explicitly naming each of the 40
packages
18[00:08:30] <jhutchins> Oksana: Those of us with a lot of
experience with computers much prefer the cli for administrative
tasks.
19[00:08:34] <rant> setuid: you gotta install all the deps..
suggests/recommends are the optional portions.. deps are what it
took to build it and in nearly all but maybe a few narrow cases
where you may be able to get away with runing it with errors, a
package wont work without all its dependencies without being rebuilt
without being compiled against those deps
21[00:10:15] <setuid> rant: What I mean is, let's say I
install 'foo' and foo requires 'bar', so I
install 'foo' and 'bar', but other-foo would
automatically drag in 'foo' and 'bar' by just
installing 'other-foo'. Currently, the code does
'apt-get install foo bar other-foo', when I'd like to
just 'apt-get install other-foo' and have it pull in
'foo' and 'bar', withotu explicitly naming them.
22[00:10:27] <rant> setuid: if you are merely trying to make
yourself a simple way to install your customized setup you can
simple build a package list or a metapackage of your own based on
what you installed
23[00:11:22] <teatime> setuid: I don't know of an
automatic way, no. You can manually figure it out, is all.
24[00:11:22] <rant> setuid: that is already how the system
works.. you dont have to name all dependencies, the package manager
automatically resolves them
25[00:11:39] <teatime> rant: he's not being super clear
but you're misunderstanding his request.
26[00:11:47] <setuid> rant: It's more for ease of package
management on the developer side, vs. the package manager itself.
27[00:11:53] <rant> teatime: yes I suspected both of those
30[00:12:25] <setuid> So those packages, is there a subset that
would, via dependency resolution, result in the same packages being
installed, but by naming _less_ packages to install?
31[00:12:32] <rant> setuid: for development purposes we have
apt-get build-dep
32[00:13:42] <teatime> setuid: is this related to cloning the
packages installed on one machine onto a second?
33[00:13:55] <setuid> teatime: Nope, just trying to reduce the
list to something smaller, easier to manage.
34[00:13:55] <rant> if I want to build hedgewars I dont have to
figure out and install all its build dependencies like haskell,
etc.. I just apt-get build-dep hedgewars
35[00:13:58] <teatime> setuid: you can use deborphan to show
"all installed packages not depended on by another installed
package"
39[00:14:41] <setuid> teatime: that only works if they're
currently installed though
40[00:14:48] <setuid> Ii was thinking of using debtree and
parsing the subsets
41[00:15:12] <setuid> It's a one-time thing, just to
reinject the smaller array of packages back into the bootstrap, and
commit that smaller list to git
42[00:15:27] <teatime> setuid: there might be an automatic way
I don't know.
43[00:15:43] <teatime> setuid: maybe an aptitude search could
help. it can do some fairly complex stuff.
44[00:15:57] <teatime> setuid: but I feel like even if
there's a fairly straightforward way, it involves at least a
little scripting
45[00:16:03] <rant> this seems like the common problem of
zooming in to far on your issue and you should probably zoom out and
give us the big picture of what you're doing
46[00:16:32] <rant> because building your own custom
distro/install or whatever has many well established tools and
methods if thats what you're doing
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49[00:17:04] <setuid> rant: Not doing anything like that at
all. We're bootstrapping some Linux vagrant VMs, and into those
VMs, we install some packages needed to deploy OpenStack
50[00:17:20] <teatime> rant: he has a long 'apt-get
install a b c d e f g' in his bootstrap script, and some are
duplicates because say d & f already are depends of b
51[00:17:35] <setuid> I'm trying to keep that list of
packages that we need, to a smaller subset, by picking the union of
those packages, which satisfies the same install result
54[00:18:03] <rant> I dont understand how you're getting
this redundancy to begin with
55[00:18:09] <teatime> rant: technical debt
56[00:18:28] <setuid> developers tend to just append to the
list, adding what they want over time
57[00:18:34] <rant> ugh
58[00:18:39] <setuid> vs. re-rationalizing their needs with the
existing packages
59[00:18:54] <rant> so in other words you're trying to fix
stupid :P
60[00:19:10] <jhutchins> setuid: It's not going to do
multiple installs. You may simplify your command, but that's
the only advantage.
61[00:19:11] <setuid> That's what we all get paid the big
bucks for in the end, isn't it? :D
62[00:19:22] <rant> sounds to me like the real solution is to
get them to co-op better and do things right
63[00:19:33] <setuid> jhutchins: Right, I recognize that apt
will do the magic, but I'm trying to keep the human-readable
list of packages down to a minimum
75[00:21:54] <setuid> That's fair, but if I was going to
give the devs tools to look at their needs, to keep reducing as they
add needs, how do I do that?
76[00:22:13] <jhutchins> Most dependencies are things like
libraries that you wouldn't install manually to begin with
though.
77[00:22:29] <setuid> jhutchins: The list I pasted above, is
the exact list in this specific case
84[00:23:31] <jhutchins> Well, there you have a huge
meta-package in build-essential
85[00:23:44] <jhutchins> make is redundant.
86[00:23:52] <teatime> setuid: I've done this sort of
thing many times, but just by a combination of manually, and being
familiar w/ a lot of packages already
87[00:24:04] <setuid> teatime: *nod*
88[00:24:30] <jhutchins> The dev files are probably not going
to pull dependencies.
90[00:24:42] <teatime> setuid: just apt show build-essential
91[00:24:47] <Oksana> teatime : I realise that sudo pkill
synaptic was the reason dpkg -a --configure was required, and some
packages were broken. I also realise it was the only way forward
after synaptic was stuck in the clouds, without anchor to GUI. I do
not see what glibc expected me to do, as in, how I should have
92[00:25:04] <setuid> apt-cache show?
93[00:25:19] <setuid> er, n/m, you said 'apt show'
and my brain typed 'apt-show'
94[00:25:20] <teatime> Oksana: I don't know either. The
right way to upgrade dists is to follow the instructions in the
release notes. Which would never tell you to use synaptic.
97[00:26:19] <rant> setuid: if you were to remove these
redundancies you could introduce problems like with those deps you
showed there is a real circle jerk around the python-all-dev
python-dev lib-python-dev all which ultimately just get you
currently in stable libpython2.7-dev however those redundancies
address the issue say if you switch at some point to a future
release where its not python2.7 it will go through that
98[00:26:25] <rant> clusterfuck and eventually get you the
current python version
99[00:26:32] <jhutchins> You can't even do all admin tasks
with the GUI on Windows.
100[00:26:45] <jhutchins> OSX you probably can.
101[00:26:58] <jhutchins> No, there are some that require CLI.
102[00:27:17] * Oksana shakes head
103[00:27:17] <Oksana> manually restarted kdm without killing
GUI? Or should I have just ignored glibc's warning, and told
the glibc upgrade to proceed forward without attempting to manually
restart kdm?
104[00:27:27] <rant> setuid: its for that reason why we have a
cruft of metapackages in any given debian release to get deps from
older versions to resolve to their newer equivalents
105[00:27:28] <teatime> setuid: rant actually makes a good
point; there are times I would specify a redundant set of deps,
because they may not always be redunant in the future.
106[00:27:28] <setuid> rant: Yes, and insert the
pip/easy_install madness when we move to py3
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108[00:28:14] <teatime> setuid: also your list is not really
allll that long, I humbly suggest you're perhaps being a
perfectionist in a non-productive way (which I fall victim to too
often)
109[00:28:43] <Oksana> Of course, I have never had to upgrade
from one release to another on my mobile. But at least, it provides
GUI to manage, edit, disable and enable, add and remove,
repositories. No need to edit text file in command line.
110[00:29:19] <teatime> Oksana: CLI is a 1st-class interface on
*nix. Not so much elsewhere. If you don't want to do CLI,
don't do *nix.
111[00:29:30] <teatime> Oksana: in fact on *nix it's the
GUI that's a 2nd-class citizen.
114[00:30:02] <teatime> Oksana: Synaptic was invented by Ubuntu;
Debian was happy to exist for decades w/o graphical package
management :)
115[00:30:13] <rant> teatime: its called being an idealist I
believe :P
116[00:30:22] * Oksana nods
117[00:30:24] <teatime> Sure. I get that in a perfect world, it
should work.
118[00:30:30] <teatime> Maybe we'll get there eventually.
119[00:30:55] <rant> but yeah while I begin to understand your
problem a whole lot better, especially when using all these complex
python deps you want that redundancy because its going to keep stuff
from breaking at some point in the future
121[00:31:33] <jhutchins> I belive the large majority of Linux
systems don't even have a GUI.
122[00:31:47] <rant> setuid: an interim and less destructive
solution is to maybe use equivs or something simple to make your own
package that depends on many others.. so you can simplfiy things for
yourself
124[00:32:26] <setuid> rant: that's where I was probably
heading next, not as an exercie in bikeshedding, but trying to
reduce the overhead of managing these deps
125[00:33:23] <teatime> Oksana: but, we do try to make our
documentation "production quality", and like I said
release notes would never tell you to dist upgrade with synaptic.
126[00:33:38] <teatime> Oksana: just because the tool exists
doesn't imply Debian says it should work everything.
127[00:33:56] <rant> if the look of it is all you want to
simplfy then pile another meta on top.. heh.. removing them is only
going to break at some point in the future
128[00:33:59] <rant> it may not seem elegant but it is there for
a reason
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130[00:35:16] <rant> I can't offhand think of something
more than python where this is very important because not only do
oyu have a ton of deps but the whole 2.7 -3.x migration is on the
horizon
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143[00:39:04] <teatime> Oksana: you called it "my
mobile", if it's like a phone w/ a crappy keyboard, you
can ssh into it from somewhere w/ a decent keyboard.
150[00:45:59] <rant> I've done the synergy thing before..
just setup the mobile on a gorilla pod with a clamp for the mobile
attached, and run synergy and control it with my laptop's input
devices
192[01:12:09] <MaxLanar> somiaj: ok, after a lot of research,
trial and error, I got my pactl cron command to work doing this :
193[01:12:15] <MaxLanar> 1/ 'env > /some/file' in a
term
194[01:12:36] <MaxLanar> 2/ set -a
195[01:12:44] *** Quits: xcm (~xcm@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
196[01:12:51] <MaxLanar> . /some/file
197[01:12:55] <MaxLanar> set +a
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199[01:13:10] <MaxLanar> 'my pactl command'
200[01:13:23] <somiaj> MaxLanar: ahh nice approach, kinda a
sledge hammer, but a way to copy the enviorment over. Though I would
try to remove stuff you know you don't need for the cron job
201[01:13:39] <MaxLanar> in an executable file with #! /bin/bash
202[01:13:50] <MaxLanar> then call the file in cron
203[01:14:21] <somiaj> standard a approach, write a script in
which you set up the enviroment you need
280[01:54:31] <impermanence> First time debian user. First thing
I notice is I can use apt-get install to get any package I need.
Please help me, lol. Obviously I'd like to put some repo
url's in /etc/apt/sources.list but...
308[01:59:26] <Shepherd> Freenode is not respecting your rights,
quit this network now. Oper intentions is to make you follow their
ideology, you can't think freely here, you can't talk what
you want.
309[01:59:26] <Shepherd> Refusing to obey their dictatorship
will result into your permament ban here.
310[01:59:26] <Shepherd> Please don't comment on spam, stop
it right now! Commenting on spam is not allowed, also, don't
say anything at all until opers let you.
311[01:59:26] <Shepherd> Freenode is not respecting your rights,
quit this network now. Oper intentions is to make you follow their
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you want.
312[01:59:27] <Shepherd> Refusing to obey their dictatorship
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313[01:59:27] <Shepherd> Please don't comment on spam, stop
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314[01:59:27] *** Quits: Shepherd (~Shepherd@replaced-ip) (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
317[02:00:44] <impermanence> the bullshit above or my gist?
318[02:00:51] <impermanence> likely the former I suppose ;)
319[02:01:01] <mutante> spamming to not comment on spam :)
320[02:01:07] *** Quits: de-facto (~de-facto@replaced-ip) (Quit: See you around.)
321[02:01:16] <doubledutch> !offtopic
322[02:01:16] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
427[02:47:14] <Bailar> We're just about to use that
section, would you like a crack at it first?} I quickly unzipped my
pants and wasted no time jamming my erect penis into the
stallion's defenseless asshole. With each thrust, I donkey
punched the horse in the back of the head, making it clench its ass
even tighter. I came just as the horse died. I was delighted.
Popeyes definitely went the extra mile to make me a satisfied
customer.
428[02:47:14] <Blackbourn> girl you must be a 0day topsite
because I just wanna max out your slots
429[02:47:23] <Coldren> God damn it. I am sick of these
extremist arab fucks. I wish we would turn the region into green
glowing glass. Don't feed me this "america caused it"
bullshit either, they are a bunch of fucking animals and should be
treated as such.
430[02:47:23] <Boxer> FUCK U!!!!! I WILL FIND U AND KILL U A
HUNDRED TIMES SEVEN!!!!! U CAN COUNT THE DAYS ON UR HANDS THAT U
HAVE TO LIVE BEFORE I SLAY YOU IN THE STREETS AND BUTCHER U LIKE A
CATTLE!!!!!! NO ONE DARES TO DO DISGRACE ME AS U HAVE!!!! WATCH UR
BACK, FOR I COME WITH MURDER ON MY BREATH!!!!!!
431[02:47:24] <Bailar> Roll Playing (RP) turns into real life
tragedies and Real people get hurt or die. If you want to RP why not
try to Roll Play real life situations such as how to pay the
electric bill, house payment, and car payment, insurance and so on.
Roll Play your parents working hard to give you a better education
and life.
432[02:47:24] <Blackbourn> girl you must be a sata2 hard drive
because you are modestly increasing my pipe
433[02:47:33] <Coldren> I'm a Vietnam Vet. I don't
like gooks, Islam and all that shit. It is a just war in Iraq. Those
son of a bitchin Iraqi's are trying to make other people live
like them, including you. Look at what they did to the Kurds, the
invasion of Kuwait and the beheadings of the internationals who have
nothing to do with the war. They're cowards and eventually will
be eliminated if for anything, their oil. The John Kerry liberals of
the world are also your enemies al
434[02:47:33] <Boxer> speaking of policy, at least my country
has enough sense to limit itself to two moderately similar political
parties. you disgust me with your parliamentary coalitions that
don't manage to do anything except to highlight the evils of
socialism
435[02:47:34] <Bailar> Last weekend I slept over at a
friend's house, but forgot to bring an extra pair of underwear.
He offered to let me borrow a pair of his. Well, we went for a long
car ride, and long story short...I shit in his underwear. Not a lot,
but whoever did the laundry would definitely notice. When we got
home, I pulled him aside and told him about it. "Pull down your
pants. I want to see the damage," he replied. I was somewhat
taken aback by this response. It was his un
436[02:47:34] <Blackbourn> When I masterbate I fantasize about
strange things. Like shitting in other peoples mouths while I watch
them slowly drown in quicksand. I wish I wasn't so fucked up.
What's worse is that seems like the only way I can get off.
437[02:47:43] <Coldren> girl you must be a .bin with no .cue
file because I have to wrangle with you for hours only be burned in
the end
438[02:47:43] <Boxer> put down that joystick, son, and get
yourself to the bar; there are all sorts of women out there waiting
to take your money in exchange for a pittance of shallow affection
439[02:47:44] <Bailar> Niggers fucked my ass liberally. They
strapped me onto the hood of their Cadillac Escalade and could not
keep their enormous dicks out of me. They were performing many red
flag touches. I could not believe how big their cocks were. I told
the niggers the city would not approve of an undercover police
officer shitting blood for a week without a doctor's note.
440[02:47:44] *** Quits: Bailar (~Bailar@replaced-ip) (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
441[02:47:44] <Blackbourn> Presumably you're either joking,
or you're not a web designer.
443[02:47:53] <Coldren> jesus I spent the formative years of my
childhood masturbating to a shemale sprite
444[02:47:53] <Boxer> Well, I can't waste all day in this
IRC. Gotta go to a T5 meet for some training. Gotta place high in
this years TiT and Evo2k5 tournaments. (Tekken 5.) See ya guys. :(
445[02:48:03] <Coldren> ObjC is able to use C code directly
without change. That's why MS is pushing C# - it makes it
harder to port code to OSX. With Windows projects done in C, most of
the code can remain unchanged. You just add a little ObjC to handle
the system stuff. With C#, most of the code must be completely
rewritten.
446[02:48:03] <Boxer> I hate when people think they're
saving the world just by riding their bike. It's like those
black and white couples that think they're fighting racism just
by fucking each other.
447[02:48:13] <Coldren> Hey /b/, I have a very serious problem.
I'm fucking crying because of how stupid I am.Okay, so my
girlfriend was supposed to come over to my house today because I was
going to go take her to a movie. She lives about 20 minutes away,
and the movie we were supposed to see started at 4:15, which was in
about 40 minutes. I figured "cool, I'll just play Pokemon
while I wait".So I'm playing Pokemon, and having a pretty
damn good time. Anyway, she finally does sh
448[02:48:13] <Boxer> Last weekend I slept over at a
friend's house, but forgot to bring an extra pair of underwear.
He offered to let me borrow a pair of his. Well, we went for a long
car ride, and long story short...I shit in his underwear. Not a lot,
but whoever did the laundry would definitely notice. When we got
home, I pulled him aside and told him about it. "Pull down your
pants. I want to see the damage," he replied. I was somewhat
taken aback by this response. It was his u
449[02:48:21] *** Quits: Tom01 (~tom@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
450[02:48:23] <Coldren> I am a gay. My problem is my asshole is
very small and even my finger does not fit inside. How can I make my
asshole wider.
451[02:48:23] <Boxer> Â 9/11 was done by sandniggers and
all 7-11s are run by sandniggers. coincidence? i think not.
452[02:48:33] <Coldren> I'm sort of new to this linux
thing, but there's this directory on my new install of Debian
3.1 called "/usr/bin". It was all messed up when I first
went in there. None of the files had descriptive names, and it took
me like an hour to figure out they were executables, since none of
them had .exe on the end of them. Furthermore, whenever I double
click them, they just pop up a command prompt for a few seconds then
go away. I was gonna delete them, but I go
453[02:48:33] <Boxer> I have always fantasized about being a
doll. like one of those real dolls, only my owner doesn't know
I'm in there. They think I'm just a doll, when really I am
enjoying everything that is bring done to me. Having no control of
my body, being dominated completely, and then being put away when
I'm not being used. However, I know that this is not possible
in the real world, which saddens me. I however I'm sure there
is someone out there that would gladly own me
455[02:48:43] <Coldren> TAKE THE RED PILLTAKE THE BLUE PILLTAKE
THE RED PILLTAKE THE BLUE PILLTAKE THE RED PILLTAKE THE BLUE
PILLTAKE THE RED PILLTAKE THE BLUE PILLTAKE THE RED PILLTAKE THE
BLUE PILLTAKE THE RED PILLTAKE THE BLUE PILLTAKE THE RED PILLTAKE
THE BLUE PILLTAKE THE RED PILLTAKE THE BLUE PILLTAKE THE RED PILL
456[02:48:43] <Boxer> I didn't get laid. She said she was
"bi but doesn't date guys", so we're just
friends. God I'm such a fucking loser.
457[02:48:53] <Coldren> girl you must be a rodeo bull because i
want to ride you for 8 seconds and then get off
458[02:48:53] <Boxer> girl you must be java bytecode because you
let me use you anywhere I want
461[02:49:03] <Coldren> God damn it. I am sick of these
extremist arab fucks. I wish we would turn the region into green
glowing glass. Don't feed me this "america caused it"
bullshit either, they are a bunch of fucking animals and should be
treated as such.
462[02:49:03] <Boxer> FUCK U!!!!! I WILL FIND U AND KILL U A
HUNDRED TIMES SEVEN!!!!! U CAN COUNT THE DAYS ON UR HANDS THAT U
HAVE TO LIVE BEFORE I SLAY YOU IN THE STREETS AND BUTCHER U LIKE A
CATTLE!!!!!! NO ONE DARES TO DO DISGRACE ME AS U HAVE!!!! WATCH UR
BACK, FOR I COME WITH MURDER ON MY BREATH!!!!!!
463[02:49:13] <Coldren> I'm a Vietnam Vet. I don't
like gooks, Islam and all that shit. It is a just war in Iraq. Those
son of a bitchin Iraqi's are trying to make other people live
like them, including you. Look at what they did to the Kurds, the
invasion of Kuwait and the beheadings of the internationals who have
nothing to do with the war. They're cowards and eventually will
be eliminated if for anything, their oil. The John Kerry liberals of
the world are also your enemies al
464[02:49:13] <Boxer> speaking of policy, at least my country
has enough sense to limit itself to two moderately similar political
parties. you disgust me with your parliamentary coalitions that
don't manage to do anything except to highlight the evils of
socialism
465[02:49:23] <Coldren> girl you must be a .bin with no .cue
file because I have to wrangle with you for hours only be burned in
the end
466[02:49:23] <Boxer> put down that joystick, son, and get
yourself to the bar; there are all sorts of women out there waiting
to take your money in exchange for a pittance of shallow affection
472[02:49:54] <Anma> I am pleased to announce that, in addition
to having spotless tiles and grout in my bathroom, my hands are
several orders of magnitude cleaner than yours. My fingernails all
but sparkle in the daylight, due to their highly polished status.
Upon examination under a scanning electron microscope, you will
notice that the crevices of my hands are quite literally free of
germs or other bacterial growths. Your hands, in comparison, are a
veritable wasteland of urine, d
473[02:49:55] <Krasney> It's about time I told the truth.
The reason I don't like gays is that when I was in the navy I
had several homosexual experiences and so i know what faggots get up
to is the devils work. This black guy in my dorm used to make me
suck his dick and then he'd pump my ass full of his vile semen
and there was nothing I could do about it. The shit eating faggot
had me trapped there for months at sea so I had to suck his rancid
sambo dick until we got back to por
475[02:50:04] <Anma> they call me the King, of downloading
THings, got bandwidth like no one on Earth. My modems are hot, but
the warez I got, adds to my collecting-stuff mirth. I can't
burn enough, CD's that are stuffed, with rars, zips, and tars
of all kinds, but I must be strong, download all night long, ignore
telltale OCD signs.
476[02:50:05] <Krasney> STAR WARS EWOX JEDI X-WING GREEDOO DEATH
STARS ANAKIN VADER JABBA HUT LIGHTSABERS VULCANZ HAN SOLO AT-ATs
PADAWAN YODA ITS A TRAP CP30 CHEWIE
478[02:50:08] <Fido> John Stamos is getting divorced just as the
Olsen twins turn 18. Coincidence? I think not. I think someone is
going to be entering the backdoors of two little houses very soon.
480[02:50:14] <Anma> I have neither the time nor the inclination
to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of
the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I
provide it.
482[02:50:15] <Krasney> jesus I spent the formative years of my
childhood masturbating to a shemale sprite
483[02:50:17] <Untermeyer> Yes I too fell victim to internet
cruelty. Only in my case it was IRC abuse. To make a long story
short I was willing to do anything to get +V and some
'people' took advantage of that.
484[02:50:18] <Fido> of us, so just quit it. Any one who agrees
with me post the number "1" in this thread.
485[02:50:22] <Rocha> You know how sometimes when you poop,
it's a blue color? Well, I had one of those poops on Friday
because I had been eating artificially colored animal crackers.
After pinching a couple out, I thought it would be funny to trick my
girlfriend. I placed them on the coffee table and told her they were
novelty candies. Before I could tell her I was just joking, she took
a bite! Well, after a long weekend in the hospital, my girlfriend
died of spinal meningitis.
486[02:50:24] <Anma> I'm selling a wireless Dreamcast
Modchip, you dont even need to open it up! you put it just to the
right of your console (where the fan is) and it will work. I have 10
on stock, 5$ each, or 10 for 45$ , msg me if you are intressted
487[02:50:25] <Krasney> Did You Know: As late as 1987,
instruction booklets included in the classic Parker Bros. board game
"Monopoly" contained directions for appointing one player
as "The Jew"? It was not until the early 90s that
references to "The Jew" were replaced by "The
Banker" in all game packaging and accompanying material.
488[02:50:27] <Untermeyer> Fuck my ass 'till my ass is
filled. Thrust that cock up to the hilt. Ours is the house that
Shepard built; all cocks hard and none shall wilt! Splatter your
jizz all over my face. Rub it on in like grade school paste. To my
ass your cock has laid waste; Mom still thinks that I am chaste ;)
489[02:50:28] <Fido> I always told myself I would try anything
once but this was a total failure. Was smoking some killer hash in
denmark and met this american african woman named shawna. She seemed
to be educated and we hit it off. One thing led to another and then
She gave me a BJ which was really good and when I went down on her I
vomited. I lied and told her I had a cold with post nasal drip. I
have sores in my mouth. After wiping the vomit off of he
491[02:50:32] <Rocha> Did you Europeans quit when you were
behind in your butchering Jews like unwanted fetuses? Don't
bother booting up En Carta, genius, the answer is no. My yarmulke
wearing Sergeant Grandpa had to fly his jet over there and knock the
gas chamber remote out of your assy smelling fingers himself. And
while he was at it I think he popped a WWII era cap right in your
sunken euro-chest. I'll never forget the stories he told me
about how he and his buddies and a bunch o
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496[02:50:34] <Anma> The strangest blow job I ever experienced
was when I went to visit Shaq and friends in the locker room when he
was still playing for LA. They held me down while Kobe held my mouth
open and Shaq rammed his elephant trunk man hammer into my mouth. I
immediately started gagging and throwing up but the meat missle was
so big it held the barf back and it went into my stomach instead.
Then they took me into the shower and proceeded to turn me into the
team pin cushi
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501[02:50:44] <Thavaneswaran> one time i was in my friends
bathroom taking a shit and i was reading a maxim magazine that was
by the toilet and saw some semi nude shots of some model (i dont
even remember who) and i had the sudden urge to masturbate. i
continued to do so and cleaned up and went out as if nothing
happened. it was exhilarating and i wanted to do it again. so i did.
several times. i even asked to use his shower so i could secretly
masturbate in there. i like doing
503[02:50:54] <Thavaneswaran> Y0 what kind of crimes u into? im
all about a plan to kidnap a person / rape them / torture them /
kill them / cutting off da head / drain da body of blood / rape da
corpse / eat da corpse / dispose of da organs and bones / finish ff7
526[03:02:59] <_b52> Hi, I have totally broken my system and
might need to reinstall. Is there a way to preserve /home if
it's in the same partition as the other directories? I
can't recall how I did the partitioning
528[03:05:11] <Oksana> International Space Station: The
operating system used for key station functions is the Debian Linux
distribution. The migration from Microsoft Windows was made in May
2013 for reasons of reliability, stability and flexibility.
529[03:05:22] <rant> _b52: well there are some options.. back it
up to another media, don't reformat/repartition when you
reinstall (could possibly cause issues)
530[03:06:05] <somiaj> _b52: you could delete everything except
/home before your install intead of formatting the partition.
531[03:06:17] <rant> Oksana: could you not do that here. We been
being spammed and there are people here trying to get help. Thats
more a #debian-offtopic thing
534[03:07:08] <rant> yes however deleting everything is tricky
especially if you dont boot from another media.. I've installed
right over an install before but if you dont install the exact same
stuff you could wind up with cruft
535[03:07:20] <_b52> rant: somiaj OK thanks. Not sure exactly
what happened, I did a dist upgrade which partially finished and
then apt reported errors. Then after rebooting it would not boot,
many errors. Even /bin/sh did not exist. So something went very
wrong
536[03:07:27] <somiaj> I was just thinking of doing that from
the shell in side the installer
537[03:07:57] <somiaj> though yea, any thing I would suggest
doing form some live system.
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575[03:21:18] <Solon> If your daughter listens to hip hop music,
you should caution her against taking MDMA, commonly known as
ecstasy if she plans to go to hip hop concerts or hip hop clubs. As
everyone knows, when you add E to rap, you get RAPE.
577[03:21:25] <wdalyijn> It's a shame the gooks beat you
good in Vietnam. (though you probably won the unofficial underage
girl rape contest)You fucking rambo wankers
578[03:21:31] <Solon> No more group sex in the Jacuzzi, got it?
You all kept me up until 4am, and all the chlorine in the world
wouldn't get rid of the shit that I found swimming in this
thing 20 minutes ago.
579[03:21:51] <Caratozzolo> Some advice to you gentoo users out
there: Why don't you emerge yourself from that closet already
you damn homo.
580[03:21:54] <wdalyijn> You present a real and true
perspective. A perspective of one who spends all his time surfing
conspiracy websites and schizophrenic web forum postings,
disregarding anything that conflicts with a predetermined
conspiracist conclusion.
581[03:21:54] <Solon> you must be real smarte to be albe to make
a space robot, my parents have a dvd player thing, can you turn that
into a robot, it has a lasre in it
582[03:22:00] <Caratozzolo> i just took a shit and my toilet
didn't really flush, i got pretty frustrated and now im going
to masturbate to internet porn galleries. Good day to you.
583[03:22:09] <wdalyijn> While the argument does not really say
much being on a PG-rated television program, Data never reveals his
genital region on screen. This makes confirmation fo genitals by
direct examination impossible.
585[03:22:16] <Solon> Typing laughter on IRC!While I understand
that your knowledge of the world outside the Frances-strewn shards
that, on any other day, would have comprised your double-wide is
rather, shall we say, limited; Here in the big scary city we
"America Haters" like to call civilization, there are
rules that govern behavior and, to put a finer point on it, internet
humor. And, although one could argue that, having missed out on the
more elegant points in life such as col
586[03:22:20] <wdalyijn> I love to satisfy women in which ever
way they choose. I love to please you and make you scream and moan
until you cant take it no more and grab my head pushing it between
your legs making my tongue go deeper and deeper until it reaches
that spot! And then squeezing my head between your thighs! I keep
going until you are so wet that your sweet juices are drippin and
running down your thighs and on my lips and all over m
587[03:22:24] <Caratozzolo> i brush my teeth standing up. i also
like to pee or shit standing up while doing so. sometimes i spit
backwash on my penis and let it dry. it looks like that one time i
slept over my uncle's house. oh btw i live in the freshman
dorms. room 310. stop by and see me sometime.
588[03:22:31] <wdalyijn> I hope I never have to hear any of
these cosplay slangs ever at a convention. Anime Iowa is a place to
have fun and to enjoy being surrounded by fellow fans. Not a place
to treat other fans in a superior fashion. *Most of us experienced
or are experiencing this in highschool*
589[03:22:34] <Caratozzolo> If your daughter listens to hip hop
music, you should caution her against taking MDMA, commonly known as
ecstasy if she plans to go to hip hop concerts or hip hop clubs. As
everyone knows, when you add E to rap, you get RAPE.
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594[03:22:44] <Solon> of us, so just quit it. Any one who agrees
with me post the number "1" in this thread.
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597[03:23:01] <dudutz_niech> homosexual. But 100
598[03:23:21] <dudutz_niech> I wish that i was Vegeta from
dragonball z. Once while stoned i tried to do a kamehameha and im
sure my hands got hot. Im planning on picking a fight and while the
adrenaline is flowing, im going to turn super saiyan and punish my
opposition. Goku is stronger but Vegeta is cooler, im 38 with two
kids.... my kids are weaklings, my wife left me and i like the way
womans shoes make my calves look.
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602[03:23:48] <Chien> I'm not really gay, I just act that
way to annoy/creep out people.
603[03:23:56] <PlayMate> I have looked at much gay porno and
gotten no erections or arousal. I find it amusing. Gay culture on a
whole I find grand, gays are often snobbish and excellent physical
specimens which I find very admirable.
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614[03:27:50] <oct2pus> Hey I had a question, i was considering
using the backported version of mate on debian stretch, but when i
went to (dist)-upgrade it also wanted to install apparmor, where
would be the best place to find out why it wants to install apparmor
as well?
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626[03:33:47] <rant> oct2pus: ah. well rdepends doesnt show
anything that looks like mate would pull in that'd get
apparmor.. closest thing I see is thunderbird
628[03:34:44] <juniorTechnician> hello guys, I've been
assigned to change the IP address of a hostname at work, so I went
into /etc/hosts and didn't see that specific hostname (I saw
others), is there any other file where you can set up hosts in
debian? doing "ping hostname" works so the host must be
stored somewhere
629[03:34:44] <rant> and its only a suggested package
634[03:37:05] <grungy> I found that in the auth.log
635[03:37:11] <grungy> What does that mean ?
636[03:37:58] <grungy> Jan 24 02:52:44 server10237 sshd[5324]:
Bad protocol version identification 'GET
replaced-url
637[03:37:58] <grungy> Jan 24 02:52:44 server10237 sshd[5325]:
Bad protocol version identification 'CONNECT 27.123.200.67:80
HTTP/1.0' from 222.254.34.129 port 43273
638[03:37:59] <teatime> grungy: dumb script kiddies running
their scripts against your box
639[03:38:03] <juniorTechnician> teatime: where is DNS?
640[03:38:21] <teatime> juniorTechnician: "in the
cloud" :)
641[03:38:25] <grungy> teatime, what are they trying to do
exactly ?
642[03:38:31] <juniorTechnician> teatime: are you kidding?
643[03:38:38] <teatime> juniorTechnician: only a little
644[03:38:53] <teatime> grungy: they're running one of
their scripts intended to run against a webserver against your sshd
listening on presumably port 22
645[03:39:30] <teatime> juniorTechnician: presumably you guys
have a DNS server
646[03:39:39] <grungy> Wow, the box is a few hour new :)
647[03:39:57] <teatime> grungy: its normal though. especially if
it's in an IP block for a popular hosting service
653[03:41:13] <grungy> Anything can be done against this except
changing the ssh port
654[03:41:21] <juniorTechnician> teatime: ok, thanks, I will ask
tomorrow which one it is and then proceed accordingly to reconfigure
655[03:41:34] <juniorTechnician> I don't want to break
anything
656[03:41:34] <teatime> juniorTechnician: don't be afraid
to ask questions! better than doing the wrong thing :)
657[03:42:05] <teatime> grungy: it's pretty unavoidable.
you can look into, like, fail2ban, but that is more useful to clean
up your logs than it is necessary for security reasons.
658[03:42:13] <teatime> grungy: changing the port also cleans up
the logs more than anything else.
685[03:49:55] <juniorTechnician> hello guys, I've been
assigned to change the IP address of a hostname at work, so I went
into /etc/hosts and didn't see that specific hostname (I saw
others), is there any other file where you can set up hosts in
debian? doing "ping hostname" works so the host must be
stored somewhere.. where?
686[03:49:59] <teatime> grungy: you'd need -l at least too,
you want *listening* not open sockets.
693[03:50:48] <Bullard> Japanese is such a sound poor
language... it's impossible for them to say a lot of english
sounds, LET ALONE German which is much more complex soundwise.
697[03:50:59] <Bullard> girl you must be Six Flag's newest
roller coaster because some rednecks told me that they have been
saving up their money all summer to ride you
698[03:51:02] <juniorTechnician> I need to know where and I need
to know it today, sorry bro
699[03:51:03] <Lesser> girl you must be Frogger because I would
cross rush hour traffic and cascading rivers in order to hop in your
hole 6 times in a row
700[03:51:06] <teatime> juniorTechnician: I did, there is
/etc/hosts and the DNS system.
702[03:51:09] <Bullard> hey everyone remember that one time when
klerck shot himself directly in the face with a shotgun and killed
himself and we all were like "whoa" and he was like
"drip drip"... that shit was awesome
703[03:51:12] <Siesto> Adolf Hitler, the Fuhrer himself, burst
into my room one eve and whisked me away on a dream vacation to the
Bahamas! We toured the isles together arm-in-arm, and made love on
the sandy beaches and in the clear, blue ocean. I fell in love with
Hitler that weekend. Unfortunately when it was over, he disappeared,
but I know that one day, mein Liebe will return and take me away to
his castle in the clouds.
704[03:51:15] <Kaboolian> I like to put excessively large
ammounts of Vaseline on my cock and fuck empty toilet paper rolls. I
think my parents are starting to notice that we're running out
of Vaseline every 4 days or so.
705[03:51:26] <Lesser> All this "linux dependabilty uptime
unix lol" bullshit is just that, a crock of shit. How fucking
hard is it to hit a goddamn reset button, you fat fucking sysadmins?
I realize your just about to hit level 87 in everquest and
you're already sweating from reaching for that jolt cola but
for the love of god PLEASE stop using these stupid, unusable
operating systems!
706[03:51:29] <krytarik> !ops
707[03:51:29] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
708[03:51:30] <Kaboolian> you must be real smarte to be albe to
make a space robot, my parents have a dvd player thing, can you turn
that into a robot, it has a lasre in it
709[03:51:32] <Po> Basically my question to you is based on
everything you've seen concerning the character of Bardock and
Goku, what would happen if Goku had an actual meeting with his
father? What words would they exchange? What would cause such a
meeting, etc? It can be any continuity you choose. Now that you know
what to write about, be creative and come up with what in your view
would happen if father and son were to meet.
710[03:51:36] <Siesto> At first, the idea sounded unthinkable.
Use my hand to wipe my ass? Disgusting! But after 10 minutes of
waiting, I decided that it was my only option. I slowly lowered my
right hand under my butt and scooped all the fecal matter from my
bottom. Not only did it feel gross, but now I had a whole new set of
problems. One simply does not walk out of a bathroom stall in a
public restroom with one hand covered in shit. I sat there
711[03:51:37] <Bullard> Your "guess" is completely
wrong. Just because animals can't talk doesn't mean they
can't give consent. Animals have teeth, claws and can give
audible warnings (growling, hissing, etc.) to voice their opposition
to a sex act being performed on them. Also, many animals are quite
intelligent and have a much faster neurodevelopmental rate than
humans, reaching mental adulthood at extremely young ages by human
standards. Finally, many animals are fully grown
712[03:51:44] <Po> Would you leave an otherwise perfect
relationship if you found out your partner was interested in
children sexually?
713[03:51:46] <Lesser> that is the nerdiest thing i have ever
seen aside from my girlfriend and i wearing matching firefox tshirts
714[03:51:47] <Bullard> I like to show off that I freeball. I
love to have my pants just so so I show major butt crack also when I
am at a urinal at a rest stop or sport event I unzip and unbutton my
shorts so that when I am pissing the shorts drop down and everyone
can see my bare ass! I love the feeling of guys knowing i freeball.
what do you guys do to show off?
715[03:51:51] <Kaboolian> girl you must be an internet forum
because i am about to try and impress you using my stale in jokes
from 1998
716[03:52:01] <Kaboolian> THERE IS NO JUSTIFICAITON FOR
ATTACKING SOMEONE. NOT EVEN IF YOU'RE USING A COMPUTER TO DO
IT. BECAUSE YOU'RE STLL HUMAN, AND THE PERSON YOU'RE
ATTACKING IS STILL HUMAN, AND YOU BOTH STILL HAVE MINDS AND
FEELINGS.
717[03:52:02] <Bullard> there are 2 bits in bathroom binary. a
number 1 (01) is taking a piss. a number 2 (10) is taking a poop. a
number 3 (11) is a shitpiss where you poop and pee at the same time.
718[03:52:05] <Siesto> Hey guys, did you ever consider what
would happen if Star Trek perchance waged war with Star Wars? Who do
you think might win such a conflict and why?
719[03:52:09] <Lesser> If Jesus was Jewish, then why did he have
a Puerto Rican name? You Stupid Faggots.
720[03:52:11] <Po> Linux is an OS where files have no
association to programs; all configuration and settings are stored
"wherever" in text files that grow to be megabytes long;
most shell commands are so abstractly named that you would never be
able to use them without knowing how they work.. or first reading
its "manual page".Linux is an operating system of
inconsistancy. Theres over a thousand distributions of linux, and
over a billion different modified versions of it. Programs co
721[03:52:15] <Bullard> The way I look at it, you atheists are
basically like this: "Look at me, world...I can debunk your
faith in God and leave you applauding my perception and intelligence
to bring forth the truth." Sorry, I've already forgotten
your name, but the name of God will stand forever.
724[03:52:23] <Kaboolian> YEAH RIGHT SO I STRAIGHT STABBED SOME
PROSTITUTE WITH A FORK. IT AINT NOTHIN THOUGH NAWMEAN. BITCH ASS
JUDGE HIT ME WITH 3 YEARS OF PROBATION AND 80 HOURS OF COMMUNITY
SERVICE. 80 HOURS? NIGGA I BENCHPRESS 80 HOURS. NIGGAS THINK I AINT
GONNA WILD OUT AND FORK SOMEONE ELSE CUZ I'M ON PAROLE SO
I'M JUST LAUGHIN YO. I LAUGH AT THESE ACTORS. FUCKIN P.O
THINKING I AINT GON COME IN HIGH AS SHIT OFF THE TREES JUST BECAUSE
I GOT PEE IN A CUP. I DO THAT AND THRO
725[03:52:25] <Siesto> You wouldn't think it to look at me,
but I am a serious badass and I will mess you up if you so much as
look at me funny. A lot of people were executed last year in this
state for that deadliest of crimes: Fucking with me. So step back
off of my IRC channel if you know what's good for you, BITCH.
726[03:52:25] *** Quits: Siesto (~Siesto@replaced-ip) (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
727[03:52:25] <Po> im gonna lift you with a forklift so high
you'll beg to come down
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729[03:52:34] <Lesser> Your are thr reason this world going to
hell your fucking piece of shit ...i hope you get strike down by
lighting in the middle of the field and then wolfs eat your
smodlering carcus you fucking physco path!!
730[03:52:35] <Wani> You know how sometimes when you poop,
it's a blue color? Well, I had one of those poops on Friday
because I had been eating artificially colored animal crackers.
After pinching a couple out, I thought it would be funny to trick my
girlfriend. I placed them on the coffee table and told her they were
novelty candies. Before I could tell her I was just joking, she took
a bite! Well, after a long weekend in the hospital, my girlfriend
died of spinal meningitis
731[03:52:36] <Bullard> The lowest requirements for Doom 3 are a
Pentium 4 1.6 Ghz, and as we all know the fastest pentiumIII is
faster than the slowest pentium 4, so I think I'm fine. If not,
I'll just wait for the Linux binary to come out so that I can
run it on my ultra fast compiled-from-scratch Gentoo box. No M$ slow
downs for me!
732[03:52:39] <Kaboolian> A computer scientist? what are your
credentials as a scientist? How have you furthered scientific
knowledge? I am a scientist. PhD in space science, as a matter of
fact. A veritable rocket scientist. I have also developed software
for the last 25 years. I have headed software projects and delivered
software to some important customers, including the DoD. So forgive
me if I take exception to some programmer hack calling himself a
scientist.
733[03:52:46] <Wani> I am the world's foremost expert on
sticking people's treasured items into my urethra. I have
'gauged' it to the point where I can almost wedge a piece
of celery in there, though no one treasures celery. If anyone can
beat this, I'd like to suck their dick!
734[03:52:51] <Lesser> I cut myself because I find it an
artform, just like tattoo's, but I LIKE cutting a beautiful
drawing into myself, as I did it and I drew it. But I did cut along
time ago so, that might be it. Anyway, I only cut when it fades and
needs touching up, but it sure feels good!
735[03:52:51] <Kaboolian> I get off on sticking my dick into
house hold appliances. one day i put it in a blender, i was really
drunk. When i woke up in the hospital my forskin was gone and they
had to put in 50+ stiches. Needless to say, i enjoyed it thoroughly.
736[03:52:54] <Bullard> SCIENCE TRIVIA: Did you know that the
more members an instrumental rock band has, the worse they are?
Studies have shown that the optimal number is zero
737[03:53:05] <Lesser> picture yourself at college. she's
the foreign exchange student from ... not china, the other one. in
any case her english is poor and she laughs at even your shittiest
jokes without understanding. you know she likes you. the only guys
after her are skinny adenoidal fags that she gets enough of back
home. she laughs at their jokes too, but it's not them she sits
by in class, you come to associate that class with the smell of her.
739[03:53:11] <Wani> girl you must be an o'reilly technical
manual because despite your high price tag, you never say anything
meaningful
740[03:53:18] <Kaboolian> Touching, long handshakes, grasped
buttocks, even walking hand in pocket by two males is common place
in the Arab world. A considerable number of Arabs touch more between
the same sex, to show liking--not sex. They hold hands at urinals,
hug each other, kiss if close friends, sometimes with tongue. This
is a pivotal part of Arab society that few westerners understand!
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774[04:09:36] <Parmeggiani> Flopping and flailing, tugging and
yanking, rolling my micro-burrito between my thumb and forefinger, I
desperately Google "Hairy Asian Pussy"... "Big Black
Tits"... "Shaved Mature Naked"... but am unable to
focus on any single image long enough to construct a suitable
fantasy. I click rapidly from one photo to the next, accidentally
smearing vitamin E oil on the keyboard and mouse, all through the
night until morning's cruel r
776[04:09:38] <Trenga> She smiled as she felt her finger become
drenched in her mother's hot cunt juice. She was surprised. She
reached into her bathrobe and pulled out Karen's panties. If
her mother had not been snoring so loudly, Karen would have worried
that she was in an alcohol induced coma. Karen pissed for a long
time, completely drenching her mother and the bed in warm piss.
777[04:09:40] <E-rix> Is it not weirder to drink cow's milk
which is truly intended for baby cows? The answer: Hell no! The only
thing weirder than me drinking breast milk, is the fact that milk is
coming out of my wife's chest in the first place. It sure as
hell didn't do that when I met her. I'm telling you, the
whole thing is lunacy. I love my wife, but does she really have to
be such a mammal?
781[04:09:58] <E-rix> Why cant the indians be like the blacks,
coming to america in white-owned ships to do our work because
we're too lazy to do it. Those cheap ass indians hoofed it
across some hippy nature bridge
784[04:10:00] <Parmeggiani> The worst terrorist attack in
recorded history occurred just a two and a half years ago, followed
by a Holy War against Islam, and now Israel and the Palestinians as
well as India and Pakistan are teetering on the brink of their own
war, Argentina is in the midst of a financial crisis, America is
considering launching attacks against North Korea and Syria, and you
people have the gall to be discussing video games???? My *god*, p
785[04:10:01] <Trenga> Pudge Picnic : chubs on chubs with flab
to spare. "No condoms!" yelled, but we don't care!
Dude's be fucken, dudes be fucked, dudes be shittin, dudes be
sucked. Writhing on the concrete floor, these chubs are sluts.
They're obese whores! And gross! They've never taken
baths. Too much chili! Awful gas!!!
786[04:10:02] <WarCraft> Aren't you a bit fucking fat to
ride a horse? what gives you the guts to call yourself a cowboy? you
probably haven't been outside in so long you probably
don't even know what a horse even looks like. cowboy my ASS.
you fucking poseur. you are just a nerd. go back to your computers
and slashdot. a horse could whop your ass any day.
788[04:10:07] *** Joins: Etter (~Etter@replaced-ip)
789[04:10:10] <E-rix> Now go back to what you do best, which is
apparently poking your nose into others business because you're
too bored with your own life. *pets joo*
790[04:10:11] <NucklearDetector> For the record, If a guy wants
to rape you by combining something with Roofies, He's going to
use something much more efficent than horse tranquiler or whatever
you think us frat boys are using these days, a good rapist is going
to use something along the lines of a brick. A simple slab of
concrete is actually the most dangerous killer in the sex crime
kingdom, one shot to the face with a brick and you will be ugly for
life, and those effects ARE
791[04:10:11] <Trenga> It was a nice day today so I went for a
walk outside. As I was walking, I heard somebody crying out in pain
so I went to investigate, when I turned the corner I saw a kid that
had fallen off his bike and he was grabbing his leg and crying.
There was this guy already there and he told me that he was a doctor
and he thought this kid had a broken leg. I could tell this guy was
lying because he didn't have any white coat, I don't like
liars
792[04:10:11] <Locatelli> it's time for lunch. you'd
like to chow. Fraid I've got some bad news right now. The
fridge a box of empty space, no sign of eats, not e'en a trace,
oh how you'd like a tiny taste, your stomach hurts, you find
some Certs, they're gobbled, gone, but breath is fresh,
you're nearing death, you're flailing on the kitchen
floor, no more! just make the hunger leave, your stomach grieves a
SNACK you NEED you've GOT TO FEED YOUR CHEETOS A
793[04:10:16] <krytarik> !ops spam again..
794[04:10:16] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
krytarik complains about a problem (see above)
795[04:10:16] <Parris> TIP FOR IRCERS #51: Bathe often, as
personal odors are offensive to others
796[04:10:16] <Parmeggiani> So, I was at work yesterday, and I
happened to walk by this guy's desk. I noticed on his computer
screen that he had his personal E-mails pulled up. I asked him who
he thought he was to do this on company time, and then, he told me
that his daughter was sick at home, so he was checking up on her. I
then punched his computer screen out, and Look him straight in the
eye and said, " Who do you think I am? Jerry Lewis? I dont want
t
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800[04:10:18] <Prothrow-Stith> Are you wealthy? I'm just
curious if this influences your thinking. Is your household income
above the median of $51,000/year, or closer to the 90th percentile
of household income of just under $125,000/year?
801[04:10:19] <Safire> I heard this story from an M.D. in Japan.
It was during WWII. A bunch of Japanese soldiers had rounded up 3 or
4 Korean women. They proceeded to fuck them in every orifice, but
there weren't really enough to go around. So one of the
soldiers bayonets one of the girls in the stomach so that he can
have a place to fuck too. The feeling was so great that the others
all start taking turns in her stomach too.
802[04:10:27] <E-rix> I have problem with my sister husband. He
started about a while back to bring his friend over when he visit to
start acting funny with me. Because he is my sister husband I felt I
could not refuse it and now it has turn to sexual acts of an
improper nature. Although intercourse had never occurred he has shot
his sperm on my face, placed objects in my anus and made to drink
his urine. How do I stop before things go farther. Thanks.
803[04:10:28] <Prothrow-Stith> Jeff's balls are about 3
inches in diameter. They are green and hairy. When in public, Jeff
will often expose his balls as a way of calming a crowd. Often in a
fit of anger Jeff will whip one of his balls at someone who is
misbehaving. Most people prefer not to come in contact with
Jeff's balls.
804[04:10:28] *** Quits: Prothrow-Stith (~Prothrow-@replaced-ip) (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
805[04:10:35] <NucklearDetector> whistle core is actually
popular in japan it caught quite well and know where seeing various
new whistle core bands come out of the country like the blue mist
dogs, fire in the attic, lazor beem, robo boy vs the laviathan and
various others its just a matter of time till they hit the charts
here
806[04:10:35] <Locatelli> When you see porn and your dick gets
hard, try to touch your dick head with your lips. I have licked many
times my cockhead in this way.
807[04:10:37] <Etter> The nigger is a subhuman monkey, ape, Fat
lips, kinky hair, VIOLENT, RAPIST, SMALL BRAIN (have you noticed how
dumm most niggers are)and broad monstrous noses, car jacking
saucer-lipped, ignorant fecal colored, ghetto-living,
welfare-leeching, crack-smoking, hub-cap stealing. fried-chicken and
biscuit eating, watermelon-stealing, 6-yr-old-white-girl-shooting,
serial-killing, rapist, robber, murderer, adulterer, liar,
fat-assed, white-woman-wanting, loud-radio-a
808[04:10:39] <Trenga> How could Sony betray me like this?!? I
waited in line for three months--yes, I started the very first line
for the PS3 way before anyone else. I endured the elements, the
snide comments, and unemployment (I was fired from my job after the
first week) because I wanted to be the very first person to play
what I imagined would be the salvation to all my dearest dreams.
Rumor had it that playing a videogame on the PS3 would be like
injectin
809[04:10:46] <Etter> DonÂ’t let anybody ever tell
you that Japan is just another foreign country. It is much more than
that. My story begins in the summer of 1983. I was an expert
negotiator, and that was what brought me to an exclusive resort
outside of Tokyo. Two large Japanese electronics companies were
attempting a merger of some sorts. After two fruitless days of
negotiations, I figured out a way to make everybody happy. I made
some phone calls, and pretty soon all the exec
810[04:10:46] <Safire> Hey, faggot! Those assless leather chaps
are pissing me off. How can you possibly walk around in public
without anything covering your erect cock, and clean shaven balls. I
cant believe anyone does this for real! You should find some sort of
underwear before I come over and put my hands on your genitalia, to
provide some modesty! I will happily stroke your penis so it can be
tucked away inside the chaps if you insist, but I'd rather you
811[04:10:47] <E-rix> Hello. I am interested in various things,
which include: Finding out your real life info(s), prank calling you
every day, stealing your IRC nickname(s), and finding flaws in your
website (i.e. loading popups, etc).
813[04:10:51] <Locatelli> Dr. Huxtable broke into the clinic and
held me at gunpoint. I was his patient, in for my yearly pap smear.
I couldn't believe it when he came in the door for the exam
with a machete in his hands. He demanded that I take off my clothes,
and begin to fellate him. He waved the machete around like a madman,
so i complied. I was forced, at knife point, to take his entire
penis into my mouth. Then I rubbed my clit and got off ohh yeah
814[04:10:58] <Etter> girl, you must be an HTTP status code
because all i'm getting is: 402 Payment Required
815[04:11:00] <NucklearDetector> Now go back to what you do
best, which is apparently poking your nose into others business
because you're too bored with your own life. *pets joo*
816[04:11:04] <Locatelli>
(¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯)
(¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯)
FOUR HOTDOGS
(¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯)
(¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯)
817[04:11:04] <Safire> is it gay that sometimes when i take a
shit i get goosebumps all over my body?
818[04:11:04] <Trenga> Michael Jackson touched my junk
liberally. he slept with me in bed and he couldnt keep his offensive
hands off of me. he was performing many red flag touches. i couldnt
believe what the fuck was going on. i told michael the city would
not approve of the King of Pop touching an underage kid in bed
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820[04:11:04] <E-rix> You're really a failure at life,
you're 290 pounds, you've got horrible back hair, you
sweat profusely, staining all your white clothes yellow, and
you've killed 3 dogs by anal impaction.
825[04:11:19] <Etter> I have neither the time nor the
inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under
the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner
in which I provide it.
826[04:11:23] <NucklearDetector> Fuck all authority figures of
any type. Now instead of hearing the song and letting it pass by you
I think we should all rise against and do somin about authority.....
and they can feel the rage of OUR generation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
827[04:11:33] <NucklearDetector> hi my names jimmy and im 13 and
the other day i was playing with myself while watching showcase and
i realised i couldnt quite reach my fireman with my mouth. so what i
did was i took a small straw and shoved it down my urethra. and i
started to blow really hard.. now i have a small bubble like figure
on the side of my fireman.. could this be from blowing into the
straw???
828[04:11:40] <Etter> This has got to be the worst
'holiday' ever conceived. First, my friends started by
playing a mean prank on me, and then even my family got in on the
act. They took me out back into the woods, tied me to a tree, and
paid a drunken hillbilly to rape me! First he lubed up my asshole
with his spit, and then he proceeded to violently penetrate my ass.
The stench exuding from his unwashed mountain-man body was
overwhelming, and only served to make me sicker than I a
832[04:11:55] <Etter> Nigger? So you think you are superior not
only because you're white! it's because you read! ha! I
didn't know they were people like you in this website, and I
hope you learn more about our people, because I'm very ofended
now. Racism is illegal, you know? if they were enough technologies
to know who is behind that "anonymus", no doubt you would
be behind bars now! Please respect others, even if they don't
like reading like you do.
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835[04:12:15] <Satterthwaite> When my parents were tight on
cash, I attempted to save money on our water bill by pissing in the
sink, and shitting on paper plates and dumping them in the field
behind our house.
836[04:12:18] <Kuenzli> I enjoy black butts, butts in my face,
butts which haven't been wiped, black dongs in my rectum, big
sweaty black balls in my mouth, thick black dongs slapped across my
face. I enjoy pressing my face into asses and sniffing them. I can
take 2 cocks in my asshole and 3 in my mouth. I lick cocks and
butts. I shake my ass in front of people's face before they
fuck it hard. I wear a cock ring and enjoy letting people chain me
up and piss on me.
839[04:12:35] <Satterthwaite> TO ALL THE BITCHEY 12 YEAR OLD
SLIPCOCK FANS..PLEASE SHUT UP BEFORE YOU HURT YOUR SELVES CRYING
BLACK EYE SHADOW TEARS OF RAGE OVER MY COMMENTS..OBVIOUSLY YOU NO IM
CORRECT OTHERWSIE WHY WOULD YOU SHIT THAT MANY TIMES IN YOUR PANTS
OVER MY LONLEY COMMETNS!!YOU FUCK HEADS SHOULD SHUT UP ,QUIT
SCHOOL(if you havent allready cause the kids dont
''get'' your wigger,crack smoking nigger/jew
fucking, garbage smelling italin ass) AND GET A JOB AT THE CARWA
840[04:12:38] <tw> !ops
841[04:12:38] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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843[04:12:42] <Pederson> I pray to the wonderful Lord Jesus Our
Saviour and thank Lord God in the Highest Heaven for all the beauty
and love in the world every time I fuck a nun with a glass-covered
bone-carved dildo. Tear that dry and wrinkled punani!
844[04:12:46] <Kuenzli> Your argument is not very compelling.
Everyone knows I'm not here to "get down", I'm
here specifically to crush you in debate and I'm not going to
spend much time here either as I am quickly dulled by this sort of
thing.
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847[04:12:55] <rant> !ops spam
848[04:12:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
rant complains about a problem (see above)
855[04:14:21] <didi_petet> Go back to jacking off to your anime
girls. Leave the real women to real men.
856[04:14:25] <Po> Me and one of my friends went out today for
some dinner so we stopped at a pretty nice restaurant. I don't
smoke and most of the time I sit in the non smoking section but I
didn't feel like walking to the back of the restaurant today so
me and my friend sat at the first table we came to in the smoking
section. Since most ppl should be aware that I don't smoke I
didn't think I would have any problems. I was wrong. This jerk
lit up a ci
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858[04:14:31] <Belloc> When my parents were tight on cash, I
attempted to save money on our water bill by pissing in the sink,
and shitting on paper plates and dumping them in the field behind
our house.
859[04:14:31] <Theodos> guns work like this - u buy the deagle
at the spawn point and u get the headshot
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974[04:23:37] <grungy> I don't know, I just had the machine
today, how do I check ?
975[04:23:41] <marioxcc> rant: Mounting the root filesystem? But
then what happens to the initrd, which is already mounted as the
root filesystem?
976[04:25:12] <rant> marioxcc: ok, well now its a bit more
apparent what you're talking about.. ibm has a good overview of
this you may find interesting
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977[04:25:18] <teatime> grungy: presumably for nfs. if you said
anything else to me it's lost in the spam.
978[04:25:40] <tw> grungy: If you're using nfs, it's
very likely you'd know. I'd go ahead and turn it off
temporarily then see if anything breaks.
979[04:25:54] <teatime> marioxcc: it's what will eventually
be the root filesystem, after pivotroot in initrd
980[04:26:09] <teatime> marioxcc: it knows if you also specify
an initrd it will be the initial root fs
981[04:26:18] <marioxcc> rant: Thanks, but it does not answer my
question (There is no mention of the “root=” parameter
here).
989[04:27:01] <rant> marioxcc: root= is the root filesystem you
want the kernel to load.. the initrd as the artical clearly says is
a transient filesystem.. it is not the actual rootfs
990[04:27:06] <teatime> all linux kernel command-line args are
documented in the documentation directory in kernel source
991[04:27:19] <marioxcc> teatime: So how does the kernel handle
root= in this case? Does it ignore it and pass it to /bin/init (in
the initrd)?
992[04:27:32] <grungy> tw, too risky. I just opened a ticket...
1013[04:31:43] <Guest67771> did you guys hear on the news?
usually i don't watch the news, i just heard my friend's
brother freaking out about it. it's on right now. North Korea
shot a three missiles at Japan, but MISSED!! XD what would happen if
they didn't miss?? one of them was aimed for America, too.
It's on Fox News right now. THey're talking about shooting
back at Korea. STUPID KOREA! dude, manhwa vs manga. XD awesome.what
if they actually didn't miss?? what would happen to ever
1014[04:31:54] <Guest67771> Fact: The word "mizer",
traditionally meaning a one who is excessively frugal, was
originally short for "sodomizer". This is because in the
18th century it was routine, and even expected, that the Comptroller
of a business would punish wastefulness by engaging in mandatory
buggery.
1015[04:31:59] <Demusz> I see what you are trying to do and I
advise you to stop at once. You may think your Mr. Slick and that
you have some kind of advantage over me in this situation but you
couldn't be further from the truth. Just because you got a
higher score on the SAT does not mean that you are intellectually
superior to me. I have 3 degrees in physics and biomedical
engineering and I just canÂ’t believe that you try and
pull something like this o
1017[04:32:04] <Ybarra> girl u must be aol instant messenger
because i'd like to see all of my buddies on you
1018[04:32:17] <Ybarra> I bet you think you're actually
amusing. You were giggling to yourself as you typed that line out,
and are eagerly staring at your screen hoping that someone will give
you a zany quip in reply. Go on, you can laugh. It's okay. Just
remember that you're the only one who thought that comment was
in any way entertaining.
1019[04:32:19] <Metropolis> Making headlines across America is
the Terri Shiavo case. This poor woman is in a persistent vegetative
state and the husband selfishly wishes for her feeding tube to be
left removed. This is appalling, not to just me, but to the many
Americans that feel she should be allowed to live.
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1021[04:32:22] <Guest67771> <3 BUSH, ONWARD CHRISTIAN
SOLDIERZ, NEW WORLD ORDER, MITE MAKEZ RITE, THE SWORD CHOPZ OFF THE
ARM HOLDING THE PEN, MANIFEZT DESTINY, REPREZENTIN' DA ZOG
CLIQUE, MACHIVELLIAN, DIDN'T NEED 2 SERVE IN VIETNAM TO BOMB DA
KORAN, BANG BANG, IRAQ THE NEW SOVIET BLOC, GUN-BARREL DIPLOMACY,
VOTE NADER VOTE NADER VOTE NADER
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1023[04:32:24] <Demusz> "Star Wars" was the highlight
of my abusive childhoo. My father brutally belted me frequently, and
the rest of the family, a term which I use very loosely, just hid
what he did to me.
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1026[04:32:35] * teatime leaves because spam, sorry guys
1028[04:32:53] <marioxcc> teatime: Yes, I know that. You did not
really answer my question. Apparently I will have to read the source
code as the actual meaning of the boot parameters is effectively
undocumented.
1029[04:32:58] <PlasmaStar> Is Unit193 a robot? :(
1030[04:33:03] <Unit193> Yes, PlasmaStar.;
1031[04:33:05] <marioxcc> There is this:
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1032[04:33:10] <PlasmaStar> omg
1033[04:33:37] <teatime> marioxcc: or you can read the article
you were linked
1035[04:34:07] <rant> is probably more conciise for what this
user is asking
1036[04:37:17] <marioxcc> I have a broad idea of the boot
process; that is not the problem. The articles you linked describe
the boot process, but say little about my question.
1037[04:37:35] <marioxcc> (21:18:56) marioxcc: How does Linux
interpret the “root=” boot parameter when the bootloader
loads an initrd?
1076[04:50:51] <Julious> Actually, it is incorrect to call me a
'know-it-all' because God is the only one that knows
everything.
1077[04:50:57] <Dhiafah> Fly catching is a hobby of mine.
Whenever I successfully catch a fly, I go into the bathroom and I
fill the bathtub up with warm water till it's deep enough that
only the head of my penis sticks out of the water. Next, I rip the
wings off of the fly and place the fly upon the tip of my Cock--the
penis "head". Not having anywhere to go, the cute lil fly
runs around upon the tip of my Cock, creating a most arousing
sensation.Try it yourself !!
1078[04:50:59] * Oksana applauds
1079[04:50:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
1080[04:51:02] <Julious> You can spot a Nintendo 64 game from a
mile away. If the textures look like they were photographed with a
cell phone camera, copied to VHS tape, copied to another VHS tape,
imported into the computer and saved as a low quality JPEG, and then
the computer was chucked into a fire, you know you're playing a
Nintendo 64 game.
1174[06:07:03] <jelly> apt-get purge packagename or dpkg -P
packagename
1175[06:07:12] <jelly> !purge
1176[06:07:13] <dpkg> "purge" means to completely wipe
away a package, including its configuration files. Use
«aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P
$package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get
purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg
instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude
purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me
about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
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1186[06:12:03] <jelly> in most situations yes. An exception might
be if you had customized global config and you might reinstall at
some point in the future
1190[06:12:54] <meta-coder> Hello, I have an idea!
1191[06:13:04] <Oksana> Hi
1192[06:14:03] <Oksana> meta-coder : what's the idea?
1193[06:14:44] <meta-coder> In package metadata we have
Description, Homepage etc. We can add two more fields: Mailing-List
and Mailing-List-Archive.
1194[06:15:32] <Oksana> ...Don't we already have something
about bugtracker, in package metadata? Mailing list could be put
here?
1195[06:16:47] <meta-coder> Many projects use mailing-lists. It
would be convenient if I can get the mailing list and archive URLs
by just doing apt-cache show <pkg>
1196[06:16:57] * Oksana thinks that it is possible to add more fields
into package metadata without having to coordinate this with anybody
else, just don't expect the fields to become popular or
standard.
1197[06:17:43] <meta-coder> yes, not all packages have MLs, but
many and all important ones do.
1198[06:17:57] <jelly> meta-coder, if Debian uses a mailing list
to manage a package you'll usually find it under Maintainer
1199[06:18:24] <jelly> are you asking about upstream resources?
1201[06:18:45] <Oksana> You can use custom fields, I think, like
extensions of standard. If it becomes popular, more programs will
support it?
1202[06:18:47] <meta-coder> jelly: oh yes, but I am talking about
upstream MLs
1203[06:19:04] <Oksana> Like Maemo extensions, I think:
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1205[06:21:32] <jelly> meta-coder, and why should this particular
tidbit be shipped with every binary package? If you want more links
to upstream resources, add them to tracker.debian.org
1206[06:22:49] <meta-coder> Right now, I have to hunt the lists
and archives of each project using Google.
1213[06:25:52] <meta-coder> If you add it to package metadata it
will be available offline <apt-cache show> and
tracker.debian.org will mention these same fields as well.
1224[06:29:40] <meta-coder> Many times lists and archives are
hosted at very different domains than project homepages.
1225[06:30:02] <meta-coder> jelly: "polluting" is a
very poor excuse.
1226[06:30:05] <jelly> many times upstream has a dozen different
lists
1227[06:30:09] <DerLGm> meta-coder: why not a mailing list
standalone archive utility
1228[06:30:44] <Oksana> meta-coder : I agree that writing emails
[and letting them be in Outbox till Internet is reached] is more
comfortable when emails are already available [without having to go
to tracker.debian.org ]
1229[06:31:26] <jelly> Oksana, when was the last time you sent a
mail to authors of some app
1230[06:31:43] <Oksana> But first, learn how to use
tracker.debian.org [instead of Google]. Then, learn how to store
tracker's data for offline usage. Afterwards, write an
apt-addressbook plugin for that
1231[06:31:45] <jelly> this isn't 1993.
1232[06:31:53] <Oksana> jelly: Let me check...
1233[06:32:39] <meta-coder> jelly: we can decide which list to
include. Whether the user-focused one or instead we can use link to
the page which lists all lists.
1234[06:33:29] <Oksana> jelly : I sent an email on 14th of April
2017, granted I didn't get a reply
1235[06:34:24] <Oksana> I did get a reply to the email I sent on
second of November 2016, though
1237[06:34:39] <meta-coder> Oksana: Including something in
package metadata will also trivially be included in
tracker.debian.org. And don't forget about tons of Debian
derivatives. Including in package metadata will benefit all
derivatives as well.
1238[06:34:45] <jelly> so... one successful message per year
1247[06:37:32] <themill> We should be putting less information in
the Packages file not more. Stale information in there is already a
serious problem
1248[06:37:34] *** themill sets mode: -o themill
1249[06:37:41] <jelly> meta-coder, I still think said metadata is
already full of barely useful info and lots of it might be better
kept on the side, instead of debian/control and everywhere it gets
replicated
1250[06:38:29] <Oksana> meta-coder : While I would love to know
full name, postal address, birthday, email, and such of each
developer of every package I have installed, I have to say that such
information belongs in addressbook. Similarly, mailing list, and
mailing list archive, while not private information of one
1252[06:39:36] <meta-coder> jelly: what in the metadata is
currently not useful?
1253[06:40:20] <Oksana> It would be nice to have them in a
database which is being stored offline, and updated regularly from
online sources, but it doesn't have to be in apt
1254[06:40:20] <Oksana> person, may still be aggregated in some
bug-reporting plugin, instead of package manager, since they
aren't relevant to apt's usual operations.
1255[06:41:11] <meta-coder> There is also another problem of
changelogs. Like we have Filename: uri, we should also have a
Changelog: uri. Changelog of all third-party repos are broken.
1256[06:41:13] <jelly> meta-coder, all the Homepage, VCS stuff
could be kept in tracker.d.o
1275[06:50:31] <DerLGm> meta-coder: ^^^ something like that
1276[06:51:09] <DerLGm> And then it's up to the user to
configure its Cron and other settings
1277[06:52:01] <jelly> meta-coder, upstream's mailing lists
and archives won't magically change just because your build
comes from a derivative, you can still look it up on tracker.d.o if
you provide it there.
1287[06:55:45] <jelly> if they don't know which debian
source package their stuff comes from... maybe you shouldn't
use that derivative, reproducibility is going to be nil
1288[06:57:35] <meta-coder> that's why they may want to
change package metadata and they should be able to.
1289[06:58:12] <jelly> nothing stops them from doing it right now
1291[06:59:14] <meta-coder> if it is not included in the metadata
and only included on tracker.d.o, they don't benefit from it.
1292[06:59:29] * Oksana notes that probably nothing stops a developer
from adding extra field or two to metadata of their package
1293[06:59:50] <Oksana> meta-coder : just write an app for
offline storage of tracker.d.o
1294[07:00:05] <jelly> meta-coder, bullshit, you just said a
derivative can change anything they want, so which is it, do they
only benefit if Debian adds more info, or do they do their own work
1303[07:03:32] <jelly> honestly, what you're proposing
sounds like "let's make maintainers have to care about
EVEN MORE info" + "let's do it in the worst possible
way, adding crap to control files"
1304[07:04:24] <jelly> if it's availability of the info you
want, I'd say work with Debian to add it somewhere else
1305[07:06:15] <meta-coder> Why did changelogs and screenshots
not become popular? because they were not included in the
architecture, and remained external and specific to Debian.
1306[07:07:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1631
1307[07:07:11] <jelly> how do you measure "popular"
1308[07:07:22] <meta-coder> Look at all mainstream app stores.
All of them have screenshots, changelogs.
1326[07:11:27] <Unit193> Reeeally doesn't make too much
sense to use the package manager offline, as one wouldn't be
able to download the package in most cases (I am aware apt-offline
exists, but of course wouldn't do much meta or screenshots.)
1364[07:26:32] <Shmam> also getting this message: File
‘Release.key’ already there; not retrieving. when doing:
"wget -nc
replaced-url
1365[07:26:53] <Shmam> should I delete the current Release.key
that I have?
1366[07:27:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1624
1367[07:27:16] <jelly> you're not adding any _new_ repos
with --add-architecture, just telling dpkg and apt to accept
installation of a second architecture
1368[07:27:34] <jelly> !multiarch
1369[07:27:34] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& apt-get update». See
replaced-url
1370[07:27:34] <Shmam> ok gotcha
1371[07:27:48] <Shmam> but what about the release.key thing?
1372[07:27:57] <Shmam> can I delete the one I currently have to
get this new one?
1425[08:08:50] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude
(or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search
--disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on
the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install <
package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves
information about "automatically installed" packages that
other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to
backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
1441[08:18:19] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude
(or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search
--disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on
the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install <
package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves
information about "automatically installed" packages that
other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to
backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
1446[08:21:40] <nirakara> that aptitude clone help text is, like,
the best thing ever(tm)
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1448[08:21:53] <nirakara> <3 Debian
1449[08:22:34] <nirakara> Iridos: thanks for your help yesterday.
I disabled mirrors when installing from xfce netinst, and
reenabled/installed wifi drivers once i was into the system
1510[09:27:56] <alkisg> valdez: I've written a script to
netboot the ubuntu live cd from the ubuntu live cd, check the
"automation script" section of
replaced-url
1548[09:49:22] <valdez> alkisg: not really, no. look, the whole
task is as follows: make a pxe-based mostly-automated install
process for debian stretch on zfs root, with optional megacli (lsi
megaraid too) wizardry for preparing disks as jbod
1549[09:49:47] <valdez> i want to netboot a livecd because it
will be easier to install megacli there
1551[09:49:53] <valdez> and script the whole thing
1552[09:50:08] <alkisg> valdez: wouldn't that be easier with
netboot+preseeding?
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1554[09:50:59] <valdez> i'm not sure how preseeding could
help with getting megacli, zfs dkms, and zfs utils to prepare stuff
before debianinstaller starts its work
1555[09:51:01] <alkisg> And of course you could make your own
`pxe boot + copy a template installation + some postinst for
hostname` method...
1556[09:51:24] <alkisg> I believe preseeding does have hooks for
that
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1562[09:57:17] <valdez> alkisg: preseeding helps with automation
(answering). but i'm not savvy enough with debian install
process to figure out how to bring zfs stuff from the official
contrib repo there
1563[09:57:21] <valdez> any ideas?
1564[09:57:50] <alkisg> valdez: afaik preseeding has hook points
for downloading and running your own scripts
1565[09:58:04] <alkisg> So from those scripts, you can do
whatever you like, e.g. install new programs or configure file
systems
1566[09:58:57] <alkisg> I'm not fluent with preseeding
though so I can't give you the exact syntax etc; I'm
mostly using ltsp for netbooted systems.
1567[09:59:08] <valdez> what mechanisms does it provide for that
downloading/installing?
1568[09:59:35] <valdez> the netboot system has no dpkg or apt as
far as i can tell, only this 'anna' castrate
1598[10:08:34] <l9> so here is a quick NFS question i have two
shares that i want to export to xx:xx:xx::/64 on the freebsd host
one of the shares always falls out when both are exported to the
same network, how should one adress having multiple exports to the
same network ?
1670[10:40:53] <l9> so anyone running debian nfs server here that
wants to test something for me? :) create two dirs /tmp/test and
/tmp/test1 and share them both with -network x.x.x/24 are you abel
to share both ? I think i might have found a NFS bug but not certain
if it is just a freebsd bug or a NFS
1730[11:27:19] <toolz> Hi, I got an iscsi lun and I am trying to
create lvms on it, I have created pv and vg, but lvms :
device-mapper: reload ioctl on failed: Invalid argument - dmesg:
device-mapper: table: 253:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup
failed, device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table. Here is
pvdisplay and vgdisplay (dmsetup shows no table)
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1866[13:19:56] <_raven__> do you know any way of connecting to
another site with failsave timeouts which can last up to half an
hour? i know it is not the meaning of vpn to catch up bad network
connections but any workaround possible to keep up ssh/rsync
sessions and such?
1867[13:20:50] <alkisg> The tcp timeout is 2h 11m... more than
half an hour
1868[13:20:51] <shtrb> _raven__, are you asking how to increment
the local timeout to prevent disconnects ?
1892[13:33:08] <_raven__> shtrb: i do not know the exact cause
now but i get random disconnects between two dialup networks
connecting via dyndns (yeah i know :/) and a net to net vpn.
randomly it just is disconnected very long and all transferes of
course crash
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1905[13:39:10] <shtrb> _raven__, can you verify it's not a
delay issue ? (do a ping to your server and check if after some time
it seems that the TTL rises or pings are not sent at all for a
while)
1925[13:53:44] <tdn> What is the easiest way of converting a
bunch of .flac audio files into .mp3 on Debian while keeping all the
metadata tags such as artist, song name, etc. and keeping file names
(e.g. filenames will be *.flac -> *.mp3) and without being
prompted for anything?
1931[13:56:57] <tdn> BanHammor, I know how to write bash/zsh
scripts. However, I am not very familiar with ffmpegs plethora of
options. And I am hoping for an app to do this as handling errors,
edge cases, etc. in shellscripts may prove difficult.
1932[13:57:49] <dTal> So I'm installing Debian on the second
hard drive of a computer that already has windows installed on the
first one. Is there a way to specify that I'd like GRUB to be
installed to the *second* hard drive's MBR, not the
first's?
1933[13:58:05] <dTal> I do not want to touch the Windows drive at
all.
1939[14:00:29] <dTal> Ah. Well, I was prompted to install GRUB to
"the" MBR. I just selected "no" and continued,
and now I am being prompted for a location.
1940[14:00:59] <dTal> That could be clearer, but it seems to be
the thing.
1942[14:02:24] <dTal> "Missing operating system". Well
shit.
1943[14:03:00] <dTal> At least windows boots.
1944[14:03:08] <tdn> BanHammor, looks like the right tool except
from it only seeming to support ogg, wav, flac and opus as output
formats. No MP3. Any way to install mp3 support?
1945[14:06:05] <tdn> BanHammor, found out how. WOW! This is
exactly what I need. :)
1946[14:06:14] <BanHammor> ayyy i'm glad
1947[14:06:29] <BanHammor> still would've written bash
scripts myself :P
1948[14:07:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1645
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1957[14:10:59] <dTal> So, it appears that despite being asked
where GRUB should be installed to, no GRUB was installed? Should I
have selected "yes" on "install grub to MBR"?
1962[14:14:25] <dTal> If it is not going to be installed, it
should not ask me where to install it. If there is a choice as to
where to install it, it should not ask me if I want to install to
"the" master boot record.
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the most interesting network tech in the world...)
2053[15:16:31] <BanHammor> hey, my debian install in Docker
offered me to autoremove some packages. It failed, and now it tries
autoremoving them again and again when i try to do anything else
with apt-get.
2054[15:16:33] *** ehlodex_ is now known as ehlodex
2055[15:16:44] <BanHammor> How do I tell it to stop trying?
2056[15:16:50] *** Quits: romana (~romana@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2063[15:19:35] <petn-randall> BanHammor: You probably have apt
configured to autoremove packages? It should be somewhere in
/etc/apt/. Alternatively, just mark the package(s) you want to keep
with 'apt install <package>'.
2064[15:21:19] <BanHammor> petn-randall, i already did, and STILL
it tries
2065[15:21:47] <petn-randall> !bat
2066[15:21:47] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2095[15:41:42] <nirakara> according freedesktop.org, libinput
leaves kinetic scrolling to the client because there was an
unfixable bug which had to do with moving the cursor to another
window while scroll events were still being sent
2096[15:42:25] <nirakara> but all this doesn't help me much
with determining how to enable it on my stretch laptop
2159[16:24:52] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Personally I'd
use the netinstaller, but either one works. Anything not on the
image will be downloaded from the internet.
2160[16:25:18] <FightingFalcon> How do i know that debian
installer recognize my wireless card?
2161[16:25:46] <eck> you'll know if you have see your
wireless device when installing debian
2162[16:26:43] <FightingFalcon> really? i didnt know that hm
2163[16:27:49] <impermanence> How can I grab a .deb or .dpkg or
whatever is used in debian, not install it, but still be able to
compare it to another installation?
2164[16:27:50] <impermanence> of the same package?
2165[16:27:54] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: most wifi devices
need firmware, if you need it *during* installation, use the
firmware installer.
2166[16:28:02] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
2167[16:28:02] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
replaced-url
2171[16:28:41] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: In all other cases
you can just enable non-free after installation and get the firmware
via apt.
2172[16:28:53] <FightingFalcon> ok
2173[16:29:37] <petn-randall> impermanence: dpkg-deb can be used
to extract a .deb package, but if you want to compare two .deb
files, it's easier to use diffoscope.
2174[16:30:06] <petn-randall> impermanence: If you want to check
if the installation binaries are still consistent, use debsums.
2175[16:30:29] <petn-randall> (i.e. match the hashes provided by
the debian package)
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2193[16:47:50] <Bierjpg|X8> hey, is there a way to update &
autodetect the Resolution for the Terminal without rebooting? just
like it works at the startup?
2194[16:48:17] <urzds> Hi!
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2196[16:49:32] <petn-randall> Nawab: What kind of device is
/dev/sdb?
2197[16:49:43] <Nawab> its a sdcard
2198[16:49:58] <petn-randall> Nawab: There's probably a
write-protect switch on the side of it.
2199[16:50:00] <urzds> Does Debian have a document with
instructions for recruiters? I.e. something describing the steps
that the person recruiting someone to be a Debian Developer / Debian
Maintainer has to take (create account in LDAP, add SSH key, ...)?
Similar to this:
replaced-url
2212[16:53:35] <urzds> petn-randall: So in Debian the process
goes out from the developer, and there is no "recruiter"
responsible to check the application for completeness or similar>
2213[16:53:36] <urzds> ?
2214[16:53:53] <Nawab> petn-randall: its a micro sd
2228[16:59:06] <petn-randall> urzds: When you're DM you have
upload privileges for packages that your mentoring DD gives you
(usually).
2229[17:00:00] <urzds> petn-randall: Ok, but DM status is more
informal and only DDs go through a process as described on the
newmaint page?
2230[17:00:12] <Bierjpg|X8> no one a idea?
2231[17:00:15] <urzds> *only applications for DD status
2232[17:00:41] <petn-randall> urzds: No, DM is a quite similar
process to becoming DD, but not as thorough.
2233[17:00:57] <petn-randall> urzds: Are you interested in
packaging for Debian?
2234[17:01:03] <urzds> petn-randall: Is that also described
somewhere?
2235[17:01:54] <urzds> petn-randall: No, actually I am trying to
find good examples for a more formal description of a recruitment
(and retirement) process...
2246[17:04:31] <gchristensen> Hi, I come from another Linux
distribution and I'm curious about the technical committee and
how it works in practice. has anyone here worked with the committee,
or is on the committee, who would have some time to talk to me about
it?
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2248[17:05:03] <urzds> petn-randall: I guess I got confused by
the "maint" in the page URL and then assumed DM means
Debian Maintainer. Figured that out now.
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2294[17:20:14] <Nawab> [127243.165508] FAT-fs (sdb1): Volume was
not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
2295[17:20:20] <mandeep> there was a bug introduced in the
4.9.0-4 kernel regarding erratic display on my intel based laptop.
how would i begin to investigate how to fix this?
2315[17:24:43] <petn-randall> Probably the fsck changes
weren't written because of the switch. You'll have to
check the description which setting is the correct one.
2374[17:39:33] <petn-randall> Nawab: FYI, /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb
are completely different things. You have to figure out where your
filesystem was. I'm guessing the former.
2391[17:41:29] <rant> you really should stop pasting into the
channel before you get into trouble..
2392[17:41:39] <Nawab> :D
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2394[17:42:47] <rant> JyZyXEL: dirs like /opt /srv /usr/local and
/home are not allowed to be modified by packages according to the
debian policy.. this is likely as suggested something 3rd party if
you dont know what it is, as these are not debian dirs it is
probably safe to remove to get errors to disappear
2398[17:44:15] <rant> Nawab: yeah I see that.. fsck seems to be
doing nothing.. which is odd because it typically says that the fs
is clean if it finds nothing
2399[17:44:22] <JyZyXEL> rant: yeah looks like it would be safe
to just empty this particular directory, screw the people who ever
gave me the instruction to use pip on debian stable...
2411[17:47:45] <impermanence> petn-randall: I want to compare a
previously installed main dir for nginx to a fresh dummy nginx
install/dir/whatever...cuz I don't know the product well and
want to be able to essentially diff the installed vs. a fresh
package grab
2412[17:48:01] <impermanence> this would be on debian of course
:)
2443[18:00:53] <Epx998> rant: I just want the hosts file
formatted in a certain way, ive seen some 'localhost' bugs
when running hostname -f post install. Re-arranging the localhost
line seems to fix it
2444[18:01:36] <rant> those files are usually overwritten by dhcp
2478[18:15:19] <zomaar> I am trying to get tmpfiles.d to clean a
/var/cache directory but there is no result and no logs and no debug
mode, what can I do?
2509[18:24:04] <rant> zomaar: I just skimmed the docs on that
command and that config file.. bearing in mind as I said before I
know nothing about this.. but that D you mention says that it's
related to a --remove switch and from what I gather does nothing if
you dont use that switch
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2517[18:26:40] <tw> DammitJim: If it's read-write, you
probably want a SAN, if it's read-only, you can probably get
away with replication. I've heard of doing HA with NFS using
drbd, but I've not tried it myself.
2530[18:30:37] <rant> zomaar: the --clean options and --remove
options are different.. your config is telling it to remove
something and the command you are running is telling it not to..
therein seems to be the problem
2535[18:33:10] <linuxthefish> hi, does anyone know the location
of where I can change brightness from command line? it's like
/proc/sys/backlight or something like that
2536[18:34:14] <annadane> that directory doesn't exist for
me (though i'm on sid), but there's the redshift package
2537[18:34:18] <greycat> "find /sys -name
'*backlight*'" comes up with /sys/class/backlight
among others
2538[18:34:20] <linuxthefish> ah I found it, but when I do
"sudo echo 4422465 >
/sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness" it says
permission denied
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2541[18:35:40] <linuxthefish> is it possible to set that file to
read only? chattr doesn't let me, it says "chattr:
Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags"
2542[18:36:13] <linuxthefish> cinnamon always changes the
brightness of the screen when the power is removed, but when I plug
power back in it doesn't restore it to full
2543[18:36:20] <tw> DammitJim: you can use failover with a SAN
endpoint for the access server. As long as you don't have two
access hosts online at once, you shouldn't need to worry about
locking problems. However, I think if you have an nfs server
failure, you'll lose your locks. You'd have to verify that
if it is an issue.
2556[18:41:00] <rant> linuxthefish: right, thats why I asked
cause I got a thinkpad with mate and its told not to do anything
when lid is closed but when I'm on console and close it, it
still sleeps
2558[18:41:44] <linuxthefish> ah I found a solution!
2559[18:41:56] <linuxthefish> when I am using root, I just run
"while true; do sleep 1 ; sudo echo 4422465 >
/sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness; done" all the
time
2588[18:49:19] *** Quits: Gaaab (~Gaaab@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2589[18:49:44] <shtrb> Can someone guide me with
'[ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) Failed
to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0)'
when running optirun (copies /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau to
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/nouveau.conf , xorg.conf is missing (letting X
to identify by itself)
2590[18:49:46] <linuxthefish> greycat, yeah if I could somehow
remove or disable the device
2620[18:58:09] <FightingFalcon> My windows is in drive C. I
installed Debian to D. however grub couldnt detect windows so i
didnt install it. Now how could i boot to debian?
2664[19:08:36] <eck> and you're running php5 on that?
2665[19:08:46] <eck> doesn't that concern you a bit?
2666[19:08:55] <greycat> !sarge
2667[19:08:55] <dpkg> Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux
3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on
2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should
upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from
the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>,
<sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here:
replaced-url
2669[19:09:31] <ricky_clarkson> Hi. I'm using a custom
internal distribution based on Debian testing, did an in-place
upgrade from the previous version that was based on Ubuntu LTS, and
now my apple keyboard's left command key no longer brings up
the menu in X, but the right one does.
2671[19:09:43] <greycat> I am very concerned about a web server
running PHP on sarge adminned by someone who can't write a
simple find command to delete files.
2672[19:09:46] <ricky_clarkson> Is there anything I should do to
fix that?
2691[19:17:11] *** Quits: eck (~eck@replaced-ip) (Quit: we out here)
2692[19:17:28] *** Parts: darsie (~username@replaced-ip) ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is
a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
2716[19:25:16] <shtrb> anyone about that have an idea about X can
give me a hint ?
2717[19:25:20] <shtrb> Can someone guide me with
'[ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) Failed
to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0)'
when running optirun (copies /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nouveau to
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/nouveau.conf , xorg.conf is missing (letting X
to identify by itself)
2800[20:03:29] <Sbef_BigBlue> i just know a second before i was
listening to spotify while a second later, opening vlc, no more
audio!
2801[20:03:33] <shtrb> Can someone please update debian wiki and
point out that bumble must not be used with nouveau (replaced-url
2802[20:03:37] <Sbef_BigBlue> i'm using alsa-utils
2803[20:04:07] <zomaar> rant: I do think I tested the
"d" flag also
2804[20:04:33] <jhutchins_wk> Check your mixer, make sure
you're using the right card.
2805[20:04:35] <shtrb> Sbef_BigBlue, open pavucontrol and play
with the outputs
2806[20:04:45] <jhutchins_wk> Sbef_BigBlue: ^
2807[20:04:46] <zomaar> rant: The "updated" tmpfiles.d
documentation (online) specifies that D only extends d, it has all
the functionality of d as well.
2808[20:04:50] <shtrb> sometimes pulseaudio switch to a different
output (even when not plugged in )
2809[20:05:07] <zomaar> rant: But strangely, it did work on
reboot (which uses --remove)
2811[20:05:32] <rant> zomaar: not sure man, was just trying to
aid a bit with a quick glance at the docs. I never even heard of
this stuff before you mentioned it
2812[20:06:21] <zomaar> rant: But I just deleted the config and
use a one line cron job for the same now
2813[20:06:36] <zomaar> rant: Would have saved at least 30
minutes of my time ;-)
2822[20:08:46] <kryl> I try to install grub.cfg with update-grub
inside a chroot but it continue to use the /dev/vda1 from
"host" settings and grub.cfg is filled with wrong UUID ...
any idea on how to fix that ? I followed this method :
replaced-url
2823[20:09:09] <rant> zomaar: yes well if you kept insisting on
my help that'd be my recommendation to stop trying to
understand all this fancy new stuff and do it the old fashioned way
2829[20:10:44] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: first of all you mention in
your question two different programs.. different programs can be
using different output drivers and different configurations.. first
thing to do is back up to square one and see if sound is in fact
working at the lowest level
2830[20:10:46] *** Quits: doors_1 (~kirk781@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2831[20:11:01] <zomaar> rant: The D flag does work with --remove,
but the d flag does not work with --clean
2836[20:11:45] <Sbef_BigBlue> rant: what do you mean? square one?
2837[20:11:50] <rant> zomaar: yeah idk, I can't help you
further with the systemd tmp file cleaning stuff I have no knowledge
or experience of it beyond what that cursory glance of the docs
suggested to me
2838[20:12:08] <zomaar> rant: Well thanks for looking
2839[20:12:21] <zomaar> Unfortunately those docs were very bad
2842[20:13:53] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: you're using linux.. the
kernel is likely using an alsa driver to control the sound hardware
so you want to try as root (to rule out any permission issues) us a
basic alsa sound test with perhaps aplay is a good choice
2844[20:14:25] <brwoods> is the us mirror painfully slow for
anyone else?
2845[20:15:16] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: aplay -l should list your
sound hardware is the first thing I'd try.. if that fails to
show the hardware then you found the problem.. if it does show the
hardware, next step is to try play a sound
2864[20:19:50] <Sbef_BigBlue> rant: it says: audio open error,
device busy
2865[20:19:59] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: sound system in linux is
probably more layered and diverse than anything.. you gotta start at
the bottom to figure out where the problem lies.
2866[20:20:04] <zomaar> Sbef_BigBlue: Kill pulseaudio first
(pulseaudio -k)
2890[20:22:48] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: ok.. well maybe you WANT
something like pulse because those things manage the issue of the
device being busy by mixing applications that want to use sound at a
higher level
2901[20:23:34] <jhutchins_wk> Sbef_BigBlue: Sounds like some
program opened the audio device with an exclusive write lock and
didn't release it. You may have to log out or restart.
2902[20:23:35] <beeman> why is that
2903[20:23:38] <zomaar> Sbef_BigBlue: That also allows sharing
the device
2904[20:23:48] <beeman> i want to learn php.. no idea about php
though
2905[20:24:00] <somiaj> beeman: php7 should be fine then to
learn. Just use that
2906[20:24:02] <kryl> zomaar, one more thing when I try to umount
the mntRepChroot with associated extra directories (proc/sys/dev
...) I can't umount dev/pts, dev of course and sys ...
2909[20:24:23] <somiaj> beeman: since you are learning, no reason
learning the older syntax (it is simlar but there are changes)
2910[20:24:28] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: this spotify you said you
were using.. was this in a web browser?
2911[20:24:29] <Sbef_BigBlue> this is annoying. i've just
been able to download my favorite playlist from spotify and now i
cant listen to it damn
2912[20:24:40] <Sbef_BigBlue> rant: no spotify-client
2913[20:24:48] <beeman> how to install it
2914[20:24:53] <beeman> !search
2915[20:24:53] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just
asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with
<aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that
own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S
/bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and
«/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for
factoids. See
replaced-url
2916[20:24:59] <somiaj> beeman: php7-cli should be sufficent
2917[20:25:09] <somiaj> that is if you wnt the cli client and not
one linked with apahce.
2918[20:25:09] <beeman> is there different between?
2921[20:25:26] <Shmam> How do I update python3? my version is 3.5
and the installation instructions for a software that I need
requires 3.6. `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` doesnt
update it
2922[20:25:39] <jhutchins_wk> ,v python3
2923[20:25:40] <greycat> Shmam: you build it from upstream source
code
2938[20:27:50] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: and there is only one output
listed in aplay -l then?
2939[20:28:03] <somiaj> Shmam: in general you don't want to
change the python version in debian, this can lead to problems. (you
can install a different python in a python virtual enviroment
though), and this will require building from upstream. I think there
are guides on this.
2940[20:28:10] <zomaar> somiaj: I think only if you use dmix:0,0
or something?
2942[20:28:51] <somiaj> zomaar: you shoudln't have to do
anything to get dmix to work, it should be enabled by default. Many
then disable it acidently writting a poor .asoundrc though.
2943[20:29:01] <Sbef_BigBlue> rant: i have 2 subdevices
2944[20:29:03] <kryl> zomaar, here are some informations :
replaced-url
2945[20:29:12] <zomaar> I mean there are templates for dmix that
you can address with your card and device address
2946[20:29:19] <Shmam> should I follow this:
replaced-url
2947[20:29:19] <Sbef_BigBlue> ich5 and ich5 IEC(weird numbers)
rant
2978[20:36:03] <greycat> if it says "sources.list" and
"PPA" and "ubuntu" and "mixing
releases" and "pinning" then throw it away, set fire
to it, and run
2979[20:36:05] <kryl> zomaar, an additional option ? can you
develop please (and I can't really reboot and use it it's
a VM in a cloud)
2980[20:36:14] <Shmam> ok thankyou greycat
2981[20:36:37] <annadane> too much sudo on tutorials
2982[20:36:38] <zomaar> kryl: Multiple boot options in a menu
2983[20:36:48] <zomaar> kryl: I take it you know what the grub
menu is right?
2984[20:36:54] <Shmam> grub yeay
2985[20:36:55] <greycat> the only part you should need root for
is "make install"
2986[20:36:55] *** Quits: Kyoku (~Kyoku@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2987[20:37:02] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: yes but as you see in my
output, which is an ICH4, there are way more possible PCMs than
hardware devices and if you need more advanced help like us telling
you specifics of configuration we'd need to see specifics of
your hardware
3005[20:40:17] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: and have you tried different
output hardware.. like headphones instead of your speakers..
3006[20:40:36] <Sbef_BigBlue> rant: idk how to screenshot, but
alsamixer says everything is at max
3007[20:40:44] *** Quits: ghost43 (~daer@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3008[20:40:50] *** Quits: Uberius (~Uberius@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3009[20:41:00] <kryl> just to resume I have a debian/stretch
system (in AWS) I plug an EBS drive on it and try to install all
basics with debootstrap. partitioning, etc... when I chroot inside
this automatic files can't recognize it's in a chroot and
configure the same /boot/grub/grub.cfg than host OS ...
3015[20:42:12] <zomaar> It can't be the same or it
wouldn't say "Found Debian Stretch"
3016[20:42:30] <Sbef_BigBlue> i dont know what i clicked and got
playing music at max
3017[20:42:34] <Sbef_BigBlue> ahahahahha
3018[20:42:48] <Sbef_BigBlue> though, i'm noticing that this
works just with earphones
3019[20:42:48] <zomaar> kryl: Can you then show the main system
grub.cfg and the guest system grub.cfg?
3020[20:43:07] <brwoods> rant: I'm on a corp connection so
that's not the limit, deb.debian.org is getting about
400-500kB/s so, it's better but still slow. Annoyingly the
packages in my apt-cacher-ng timed out and were deleted so.
3027[20:45:53] <rant> brwoods: back in the day I prefered
mirrors.kernel.org cause they have really fast servers.. but thats
cause I'm in the US.. if you are as well you may try their
mirror, their servers are really quick
3028[20:46:07] *** Quits: JohnML (~john1@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3034[20:46:47] <rant> brwoods: we used to have this program
apt-spy that checked all the mirrors and configured you for the
fastest one but something we did in recent releases broke that and
it was removed sadyly
3035[20:47:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1635
3036[20:47:16] <brwoods> hrm, thanks for the tips, I'll try
it soon
3041[20:47:56] <Sbef_BigBlue> ok, so, how to unmute from
alsamixer?
3042[20:48:01] <greycat> press "m"
3043[20:48:04] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: heh, well you can thank
greycat for stating the obvious :P just go to the channel and press
m
3044[20:48:05] <Sbef_BigBlue> i'm really sorry i made you
lose so much time
3045[20:48:13] <greycat> 14:22 greycat> haven't been
following... did you un-mute yet?
3046[20:48:43] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: na, I've been stressed..
so I havent been catching small things. greycat called that a while
ago :P
3047[20:48:47] *** Quits: Gaaab (~Gaaab@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3048[20:48:54] <notadrop> Question... 'sudo make
install-deb' does 'rm -rf' on any *.deb files as one
of its last steps... why?
3049[20:48:55] <greycat> on a brand new install, the master
channel starts muted *and* at volume 0. you have to remember this,
install alsa-utils, run alsamixer, un-mute the master channel, and
raise the volume
3050[20:49:01] <Sbef_BigBlue> still not...
3051[20:49:36] *** Quits: bbdgl (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3054[20:51:30] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: if you arent concerned about
a minor resource usage (not a really slow machine with low ram) and
you are going to possibly use multiple sound apps, you may want to
consider apt-get install pulseaudio pavucontrol
3055[20:51:33] <Sbef_BigBlue> trying to play around with settings
3056[20:51:47] *** Quits: Ericounet (~Ericounet@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3057[20:51:54] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: and add pulseaudio to your
session, so that apps can be mixed and managed individually
3058[20:51:57] <Sbef_BigBlue> rant: i'm on a '01
pentium 4 with 756 mb ram
3059[20:52:08] <Sbef_BigBlue> well there is this weird thing
3060[20:52:24] <rant> Sbef_BigBlue: this is a Pentium M w/ 1gb
and I'm using mate with pulse
3061[20:52:39] <Sbef_BigBlue> if playing music, nothing happens.
but if i switch the mono out
3062[20:52:46] <Sbef_BigBlue> i get a weird crappy sound
3067[20:53:23] <Sbef_BigBlue> rant: yeah! i meant i don't
have problems with slowness and low ram :P
3068[20:53:37] <Sbef_BigBlue> greycat: i see... i didn't
know how to use alsa :/
3069[20:53:47] <greycat> !alsa checklist
3070[20:53:47] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
3076[20:54:58] <greycat> I think the community's position on
pulseaudio has been softening, to the point where some people
actually recommend installing it, instead of purging it with fire
and bullets.
3077[20:55:10] <Sbef_BigBlue> ok
3078[20:55:13] <Sbef_BigBlue> i found out
3079[20:55:20] <Sbef_BigBlue> aplay was playing mono
3086[20:55:49] <Sbef_BigBlue> switched to stereo and now
everything is fine
3087[20:56:02] <Sbef_BigBlue> anyway thank you for telling me how
to unmute! thank you for real!
3088[20:56:23] <annadane> !tell Sbef_BigBlue about enter
3089[20:57:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1627
3090[20:57:29] <rant> heh. Yeah it works well now. I only avoid
pulseaudio on systems where I'm at like 512MB ram or less or a
really slow cpu.. cause it only takes about 10mb ram tops but its
priority is high
3091[20:57:54] <Sbef_BigBlue> annadane: yeah, a lovely big button
ahahahahhahaha sorry
3119[21:07:16] <Maws> Did a upgrade last night on debian testing,
trying to boot this morning it comes up with lots of different
errors , and eventually can't boot into gnome (Failed to start
gnome, among other things), going into a console works, but when
trying to do an apt-get update/upgrade I get E: sub-process
/usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -lt 10 returned an error
code (100). E: Failure running
3120[21:07:16] <Maws> script /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt ||
test $? -lt 10
3121[21:07:40] <greycat> Maws: does /bin/dash exist?
3133[21:10:31] <Maws> and then reboot again I guess or ?
3134[21:10:38] <greycat> well, probably yeah
3135[21:10:46] <greycat> god only knows what things failed to
start up
3136[21:10:48] <Maws> or just run an update/upgrade again,
I'l try a reboot first
3137[21:11:04] <wigums> ive got a box thats acting up. it goes
through the boot process too fast for example i dont even have time
to select a usb drive to boot or at grub screen i can hit
"e" and it shows the grub stuff for like 1/4 seconds and
boots...everyhing on the bo x works. webserver sshd apt etc etc. why
would it be booting so fast? even if i do make it into bios it boots
before i can do anything. anyone have any clue how to troubleshoot
this?
3176[21:39:33] <wigums> yea and i cnat even get into bios. i can
but its only up for about 1/2 - 1/2 second and goes to grub before i
can choose any options
3177[21:39:47] <wigums> 1/4 - 1/2
3178[21:40:29] <wigums> im ok with the box running basically
headless. everything works once its booted just a blank screen
3179[21:40:42] <wigums> its annoying as a 3 year old kid in the
mall
3213[22:05:05] <Sbef_BigBlue> SuperTramp83: i know, but i'm
downloading it because my computer is not capable to run spotify
client smoothly. it's fine, as long as i can listen to music!
3258[22:34:11] *** Parts: darsie (~username@replaced-ip) ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is
a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
3297[22:41:43] <dutchfish> syntaxman, anylogs that are relevant?
3298[22:41:46] <grungy> The forlder is empy
3299[22:41:57] <greycat> why do you think you are supposed to
have a DIRECTORY named /srv
3300[22:42:03] <syntaxman> dutchfish: everytime apt gets to a
place where systemctl needs to start any service, it just hangs.. no
cpu spike or anything.
3312[22:43:22] <grungy> greycat, linux for dummies :P
3313[22:43:25] <syntaxman> zomaar: the old dead tree tool for
finding phone numbers
3314[22:43:31] <greycat> So, it's something that exists on
NON-debian systems?
3315[22:43:35] <grungy> And yes it exists, I have it on debian 8
3316[22:43:41] <grungy> I am looking at it now
3317[22:43:42] <grungy> Anyway
3318[22:43:44] <grungy> Last question,
3319[22:44:05] <grungy> I have firewallD installed. I authorised
port 22. Does it block all the remaining ports by defaut ?
3320[22:44:24] <dutchfish> syntaxman, without seing any logs
(even without the ones that looks ok0 it hard to diagnose. You could
delve in modules that are loaded (or not) for your particular system
that are needed by systemd. I cant do anything at the moment without
more input.
3321[22:44:35] *** Quits: tolecnal (tolecnal@replaced-ip) (Quit: server reboot)
3322[22:45:19] <zomaar> grungy, /src is empty because you are
supposed to fill it yourself
3323[22:45:24] <zomaar> /srv
3324[22:45:30] <dutchfish> syntaxman, try to collect some logs
and use pastebin
3325[22:45:36] <dutchfish> !pastebin
3326[22:45:36] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
3327[22:45:38] <syntaxman> dutchfish: still looking for more
clues... I think I'm going to see if a reboot helps at all. I
hate doing Windows style admin work ;-)
3330[22:46:22] <zomaar> And when you turn on your monitor it
gives an image.....
3331[22:46:23] <DammitJim> OK, I say KEX algorithms
3332[22:46:35] <DammitJim> but there are 2 lines with that
3333[22:46:46] <greycat> Google tells me that /srv is apparently
something that the Linux FHS people made up 8-10 years ago that
never really caught on.
3334[22:47:02] <zomaar> I just use it for snapshots
3337[22:47:27] <greycat> DammitJim: there should be a whole BUNCH
of lines with debug2: that describe all the various ciphers offered
by the client, by the server, and then which ones were chosen for
each role.
3351[22:49:29] <SuperTramp83> iGullyGuy: you should also verify
with gpg ans SHASUM the downloaded archive **before** extracting it
and executing FF. You should follow the best practices for muh
security when taking a hike outside your repo.
3360[22:53:11] <DammitJim> ok, so to be clear, if I need to know
what algorithms the server supports, I would read the line following
peer server KEXINIT proposal, right?
3376[22:57:59] <xz> hi there, I deployed f1-micro instance on
google cloud (1vCPU/592MB RAM/10GB storage). I want to put a
wordpress on it but wordpress requires SQL database. Would you know
some light one that I can add to my instance? I'm planning on
running very simple website with minimal to none traffic.
3381[22:59:40] <towo`> xz, and that has what to do with debian?
3382[23:00:01] <xz> towo` I'm on debian 9 using apt-get with
debian repositories
3383[23:00:34] <greycat> "with debian repositories"
frightens me
3384[23:00:39] *** Quits: jhutchins_wk (~jonathan@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3385[23:00:58] <xz> greycat it's vanilla debian 9 image
that's all I meant
3386[23:01:16] <greycat> "using apt-get with debian
repositories" is the kind of thing I would expect someone to
say who is actually using a derivative distribution and tried to
"convert" it to Debian
3423[23:07:21] <xz> 592MB is not crazy small per todays standards
3424[23:07:29] <xz> edi or that ^^
3425[23:07:31] <greycat> indeed it's not
3426[23:07:51] <edi> especially for wp installs etc
3427[23:07:54] <xz> edi I played with nginx the other day; it is
javascript based, is it?
3428[23:07:54] <metastable> be aware that wordpress requires
significant extra configuration to function properly on nginx
3429[23:08:23] <edi> xz, i suspect it has very little to do w
javascript
3430[23:09:03] *** Quits: jnavila (~jnavila@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
3431[23:09:10] <koollman> xz: not at all. You could have a bit of
lua in it if you want to. But it's C
3432[23:09:57] <edi> the syntax is way more elegant then
apache's, yet extremely powerfull
3433[23:10:36] <koollman> xz: I just checked on some vps I have.
wordpress, with mariadb and nginx and php-fpm ... 174MB currently
used. apache wouldn't change things much
3434[23:10:37] <edi> easy to chain, proxy and loadbalance too :)
3435[23:11:01] <xz> koollman thanks for checking that
3443[23:16:15] <syntaxman> dutchfish: ahh.. the good ol'
days when you could install with only 30 floppies and a 28.8kbps
modem (40 floppies if you wanted X11)
3444[23:16:27] <syntaxman> I don't really miss 'em.
3498[23:35:30] <xz> like run it on 8080 as user with restricted
permissions instead of root, configure load balancer on google cloud
etc.
3499[23:35:56] <xz> and then I never know if I won't have to
add extra stuff to that landing page, so might be easier to invest
more time/resources now than later
3500[23:36:07] <metastable> Be aware that changing ports
isn't an effective countermeasure. That goes for almost any
service.
3506[23:37:28] <metastable> xz: You don't run wordpress as
anything. You run your webserver as something. How do you think
apache attaches to 80/443 without running as root? It drops root
privileges as soon as the port is opened.
3508[23:38:16] <digdilem> apache runs as the user
replaced-url
3509[23:38:22] <xz> metastable oh, so apache already takes care
of that? I was running recently couple non-apache based services,
like flask on command line and few others and I had to think about
that then
3510[23:38:44] <metastable> xz: If you run it interactively, it
runs as whatever user you run it as in most cases. Services are
handled more sanely.
3511[23:39:15] <xz> metastable fair play. so you still think pure
index.html is the safest?
3512[23:39:36] <xz> metastable I will check on google cloud
dashboard if it doesn't have built-in tracking capabilities
3513[23:39:43] <metastable> Yes. If you need a full-blown CMS
later, consider it. For now, stick to the basic requirement.
3514[23:40:37] <`Kevin> xz google analytics or something? just
add the js tracker to your html
3517[23:41:34] <xz> by the way, AWS free tier seems much better
explained and easier to use and configure than google cloud
3518[23:41:58] <metastable> Any public cloud provider is going to
require the same general skills and concepts to operate securely,
efficiently, and effectively.