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9[00:01:33] <jscoder> basically I'm looking to store content on the debian desktop and access it on an amazon fire stick, and vlc + dlna seem to be the simplest option but minidlna and rygel are complicated to use for someone who operates a computer through point and click
10[00:02:12] <jmcnaught> jscoder: rygel has a gui, you configure it in GNOME settingsj
11[00:02:42] <jscoder> i had installed it and checked all through the Applications and System menus didn't see it anywhere
12[00:02:46] <jmcnaught> it's under sharing as media sharing
13[00:03:20] <jscoder> hmm maybe had to install the rygel-prefrences package
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15[00:03:24] <jmcnaught> the GUI allows you to choose which directories are shared, and on which networks. it seems to require using NetworkManager however
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20[00:04:24] <jmcnaught> that package is an alternative to configuring rygel in the gnome settings
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22[00:04:45] <jscoder> yes that was it, the rygel-prefrences is an optional package that puts the config in the gnome settings
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25[00:05:41] <jmcnaught> that's strange because i don't have that package installed, i do have media sharing settings in GNOME, and the package description says "Normally you'd configure your sharing preferences with GNOME Control Center and not need this tool."
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58[00:19:48] <forcerecon> paypal is working again with firefox esr../// odd
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73[00:26:15] <purpois> Is it possible to use an inactive graphics card for video decoding or other acceleration? For example, an onboard chip when a PCIE one is actually doing the graphics output?
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82[00:31:32] <dondelelcaro> purpois: in some cases, yes. But generally, no.
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84[00:31:50] <tw> purpois: it's technically possible, but I've never seen software attempt it.
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86[00:32:08] <dondelelcaro> (this is basically what people do who use GPUs as co-processors, for example)
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88[00:33:13] <tw> you mean GPGPU? Sort of. I think VDPAU and VAAPI require decoding to a graphics surface on the active device? But you migh be able to convince it to do PRIME or something.
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92[00:35:00] <purpois> But not really in an off-the-shelf type of way, then? More of a specific hardware and custom software type of thing, if at all?
93[00:35:54] <tw> You would have to try hard for a minimal level of results.
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95[00:36:17] <tw> If you're at the limit of your budget, maybe it's worth the effort, but probably better to just upgrade GPU.
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99[00:37:48] <purpois> Okay, that's a pretty clear don't bother in this case. Just seems funny to have extra processing power just sitting around, especially when it can sometimes be particularly useful. Maybe too fringe a case to be generally implemented, though there are probably quite a few unused onboard graphics chipsets "laying around".
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102[00:39:17] <purpois> Thanks for the answers, dondelelcaro & tw. Have a evening (here) or whatever it is wherever you are. :)
103[00:39:37] <purpois> Have a *good* whatever...
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135[00:55:13] <likcoras> Hi, I'm running Windows under qemu + kvm with virt-manager, and changing the volume setting inside the vm changes the volume outside as well. How can I avoid this? I haven't had much luck searching for it, as qemu refers to storage devices and such "volumes" as well...
136[00:55:36] <likcoras> I'm using pulseaudio on the host.
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165[01:13:27] <lat3n8ta> i did a fresh install of stretch and things have indeed changed. iwconfig wlp2s0 rate 11M does not change the rate to 11M. how can i change the rate of my wireless interface on stretch?
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182[01:22:28] <jmcnaught> likcoras: do other applications change the system volume the same way (like VLC for example?) You could try setting 'flat-volumes = no' in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf (pulse-daemon.conf(5))
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186[01:23:27] <likcoras> jmcnaught: Hm, I don't have any other applications installed that would do that, firefox doesn't do that from what I've seen, and neither does mpv.
187[01:23:38] <likcoras> trying that now, though.
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189[01:27:00] <likcoras> Nope, still changing the volume.
190[01:27:04] <likcoras> Restarted pulse and everything.
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194[01:29:17] <jmcnaught> how did you restart pulse?
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197[01:30:29] <Atomic_wF4Ue> sudo service restart
198[01:30:30] <likcoras> pulseaudio --kill and it restarted itself later.
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201[01:31:04] <likcoras> replaced-url
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203[01:31:21] <jmcnaught> Atomic_wF4Ue: ?
204[01:31:55] <likcoras> it says "Category: ProposedUpdates" but it's listed under "done" in replaced-url
205[01:31:56] <jmcnaught> likcoras: it's not clear that this is a finished feature
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209[01:33:29] <Atomic_wF4Ue> apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
210[01:33:52] <likcoras> Atomic_wF4Ue: ?
211[01:33:55] <jmcnaught> Atomic_wF4Ue: it doesn't sound like you know much about pulseaudio so perhaps you're better off not contributing
212[01:34:11] <transhuman_> hi! I was really dumb and forgot to restrict a user access to their home directory only while accessing via ssh , can I set their permissions to only be in their home directory without logging them out?
213[01:34:18] <Atomic_wF4Ue> reinstall?
214[01:34:39] <likcoras> qemu-system-x86_64 -audio-help gets me this: replaced-url
215[01:34:43] <jmcnaught> likcoras: well it looks like stretch has spice 0.33. when you change the volume in the VM, does it always change the volume on the host, or only if 100% is surpassed?
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217[01:35:34] <likcoras> I'm not 100% sure how it's changing the volume, but it's not only if it's over 100%.
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221[01:36:19] <likcoras> in fact, from what it looks like, any change in volume in the windows guest sets volume to... 85%
222[01:37:15] <likcoras> nvm, setting it higher in the guest raises it on the host, but lowering it does not lower it on the host. Caps at 100%
223[01:37:19] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: what are you trying to protect the user from? permissions changes on files happen immediately, but if the user already has a file open then it remains open for them
224[01:37:36] <jmcnaught> err i guess protect from the user…
225[01:37:58] <transhuman_> what about setting the path, currently they are in their home directory doing what they should but want to make sure they stay that way
226[01:38:01] <jmcnaught> likcoras: that sounds like it's still the behaviour of flat-volumes = yes
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229[01:38:52] <lat3n8ta> i did a fresh install of stretch and things have indeed changed. iwconfig wlp2s0 rate 11M does not change the rate to 11M. how can i change the rate of my wireless interface on stretch?
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231[01:38:56] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: is there a specific directory you are trying to keep the user out of? what are the permissions of that directory, and what groups does the user belong to?
232[01:39:10] <likcoras> Hm, I set it in ~/.config/pulse/daemon.conf, though, as in the manpage.
233[01:39:48] <transhuman_> everything but /home/<username> is my hope but out of root and out of my home directory would be nice ( they are downloading large files from me )
234[01:40:00] <jmcnaught> likcoras: i set mine in /etc but i think for you it could simply be that pulse didn't restart properly?
235[01:40:23] <likcoras> killall -9 pulseaudio would definitely kill it, right?
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237[01:40:52] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: "chmod 700 ~" will keep all users except for you from being able to access your home directory
238[01:41:05] <transhuman_> I dont want to exactly kill there connection because they wont be around till monday and I want them to get the files
239[01:41:23] <missmbob> likcoras: pulseaudio automatically restarts itself when you do that (by default)
240[01:41:25] <likcoras> jmcnaught: didn't help.
241[01:41:36] <transhuman_> ok if thats the best I can do , my studity
242[01:41:40] <transhuman_> stupidity
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244[01:42:36] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: a shell user does need access to other parts of the filesystem, like all the programs in /usr/bin for example. On a default setup regular users shouldn't be able to read sensitive things or alter anything outside of their own home directory
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248[01:45:00] <likcoras> jmcnaught: nevermind, I am retarded. "damon.conf", heh.
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250[01:45:10] <likcoras> It seems to have been fixed now. Thanks.
251[01:45:21] <transhuman_> but it appears he can before he left he sent me a message indicating he accidentally started downloading /etc directory ..he stopped it and corrected the directory to the right one
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253[01:46:10] <transhuman_> no worries I kinda trust him
254[01:46:18] <transhuman_> i just would rather not
255[01:46:24] <likcoras> By default anything sensitive in /etc is read-protected, and user often needs to read(not write) stuff from /etc, eg. vim configuration files, and probably a lot of other applications as well.
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259[01:47:11] <jmcnaught> likcoras: ☺ glad you figured it out
260[01:48:15] <likcoras> transhuman_: eg. various utilities and such need to be able to read /etc/passwd, but user wouldn't be able to see actual passwords, those are in /etc/shadow and only readable by root.
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263[01:49:48] <likcoras> if even that's a problem, you could always set up chrooted sftp or ftp, but that would require logout.
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266[01:50:25] <transhuman_> yeah I know I can fix it if I log him out but I would rather not because he needs the files I am giving him access to
267[01:50:59] <transhuman_> I changed the permissions on my home directory which is good enough
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322[02:16:01] <qmr> bezaban: there is no such thing as 'the cloud'
323[02:17:32] <qmr> ehm. that conversation was from yesterday. oops.
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386[02:53:41] <machinehum> I have two nics, one is static IP on 192.168.0.x, the other is dynamic and connected to the internet 192.168.10.x but for some reason I can only access devices on the local network if i turn off my internet network
387[02:53:54] <machinehum> Does anyone have a good place to start to start debugging this?
388[02:54:27] <machinehum> FYI accessing devices on local network using chromium that are hosting a webserver
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390[02:54:54] <machinehum> Router, RPI etc...
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392[02:57:12] <th0r> machinehum, check route. I bet everything including the local net is being routed to the gateway
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395[02:59:55] <machinehum> th0r: Googleing now o7
396[02:59:58] <machinehum> Thanks!
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471[03:37:01] <salinis> CRONUS LIKES A GOOD FISTING WITH HIS BEAVER TEETH: debchange mcintosh shtirlic Typh GTAXL ryan-c Pelle` Digz r4mpage kirb tyler-baker chrissl pvn Char0n cateye Chex n0nada nse flyinprogrammer davidebeatrici rancyd Haxxa db nshp rdococ alexbligh1 ksk delYsid midacts sach Ticho pythonsnake ephesius nickle scoopex MonsterKiller toine42 Mmike simonlnu ircnode0 GG_Phyduck terr1 JuaN-CruZ infernix hagabaka hiya gtrott__ Guest834
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487[03:42:35] <ldumont> Hey guys, I've just ran into an issue with Debian 9 on my laptop. When booting, the systemd-logind process fails to start and the system hangs.
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496[03:56:31] <gglasses> Hey there. I am in fedora right now, is there a program I can install to create a USB booteable of Debian? :)
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499[03:58:21] <maher> gglasses: just cp an image to a usb disk...
500[03:58:41] <gglasses> I did that last time and the USB gave errors :/
501[03:59:02] <maher> gglasses: try a different usb drive
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503[03:59:25] <missmbob> sudo cp foo.iso /dev/sdX (note it's the drive, not a partition)
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505[04:00:07] <toruvinn> and please, PLEASE make sure it's the right sdX
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507[04:00:44] <gglasses> Thanks guy!
508[04:00:47] <gglasses> guys/gals*
509[04:01:03] <gglasses> Do you know how can I format the USB I already have with the files? gnome gave me error
510[04:01:37] <missmbob> you dont need to. iso contains it's own fs
511[04:01:38] <toruvinn> gglasses, the thing is, the moment yo ustart copying the .iso to the drive, you're alreayd "formatting" it, as in overwriting eveyrthing on it.
512[04:02:02] <toruvinn> gglasses, which is why it's so importaqnt to copy it to the right device, or you can overwrite your data on other disks in the pc.
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516[04:02:58] <gglasses> missmbob: what does it means it contains his own "fs"? I want to learn :P
517[04:03:16] <gglasses> toruvinn: Oh I see, ok, last time I don't remember using root to cp the files
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520[04:03:39] <toruvinn> gglasses, well normal users generally dont have access to /dev/sdX devices, so... you need to be root for that
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523[04:05:20] <gglasses> toruvinn: thank you a lot!
524[04:05:41] <gglasses> Well, I am downloading the image right now, let us hope all goes well :D
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534[04:15:44] <xk> hey guys in debian 8 jessie when I hit backspace in a terminal, konsole it was, the response was immediate, now in debian 9, it pauses for one second or so, kind of annoying, can I make it fast again?
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539[04:18:02] <xk> in tty 1 it is fast no delay, so I guess some software slows it down.
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543[04:18:38] <jmcnaught> xk: just in konsole? did you try others like gnome-terminal, terminator etc?
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546[04:19:39] <xk> jmcnaught, let me see in some other terminals, what is a terminator?
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548[04:20:56] <jmcnaught> xk: it's a terminal emulator with features to divide the windows up into multiple shells
549[04:21:01] <xk> jmcnaught, yes they all are the same, xterminal uterminal, delay for a second
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555[04:22:06] <jmcnaught> xk: are you logging into KDE with X or with Wayland? Do you happen to have another DE installed that you could test? Also does it happen all the time with backspace, or only when other conditions are true?
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562[04:25:10] <xk> jmcnaught, I believe it's X, don't know what wayland is, there's no other DE, it happens in firefox too when I hit backspace.
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566[04:26:38] <xk> jmcnaught, are you saying there's no such problem for you?
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568[04:26:58] <xk> are u using stretch?
569[04:27:18] <jmcnaught> xk: if you log out, take a look at the controls on the login screen, there should be a session selector. For GNOME (GDM) it's a gear shaped icon, there could be options for KDE with X, KDE with Plasma
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571[04:27:48] <xk> no there's only plasma session
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573[04:28:14] <jmcnaught> i'm on stretch with GNOME, before stretch went stable i noticed some weird typing lag under wayland, so i switched back to Xorg, now i'm back on wayland and the typing lag seems to be resolved
574[04:28:19] <xk> it's sddm the login manager
575[04:28:45] <jmcnaught> did you log out or switch user? if your user is already logged in, it wouldn't make sense for it to let you pick a different session type
576[04:29:09] <jmcnaught> also i don't use KDE so i don't know if it's also wayland capable in stretch like gnome is
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578[04:31:00] <xk> back in jessie, only kde has no delay, the others like cinnamon has, now kde has the problem too, it has to be some software.
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585[04:34:57] <xk> thank you all the same jmcnaught
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588[04:36:01] <LinuxGuy2020> During the installation when it asks for firmware I tried feeding it a CD-R with all the firmware packages available. Doesnt work. If i copy the exact contents of the CD-R to a USB drive it works perfectly. I actiavted another console and tried to make a folder in /media to mount the cd into and it mounts but shows up as empty
589[04:36:18] <LinuxGuy2020> How can I mount and read a CD_R on an installation consoe?
590[04:36:21] <LinuxGuy2020> console
591[04:36:45] <LinuxGuy2020> So I dont have to keep a permanent USB drive with firmware
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603[04:44:38] <jmcnaught> xk: have you looked in your logs? i would try running "journalctl -f" to follow the journal in one konsole window, then try typing in another konsole while you watch it
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610[04:46:34] <xk> jmcnaught,well I think I found the place to correct this, it's in the system settings, keyboard, there's a delay option
611[04:46:35] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: the firmwares are in their .deb files on the root directory of the CD?
612[04:46:55] <jmcnaught> xk: is there a delay configured on your system?
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618[04:47:50] <xk> although it's a bit different with what I get used to, the settings affect everything even here. I only wanted the backspace to work faster. but it's a solution.
619[04:47:52] <jmcnaught> LinuxGuy2020: also why not use the netinst that includes firmware? replaced-url
620[04:48:04] <xk> jmcnaught, yes system-settings-keyboard
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622[04:48:53] <xk> jmcnaught, thank u
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647[05:02:41] <gglasses> So, I ran "lsblk" in my terminal, second line says: sdb 8:16 1 7.5G 0 disk ... so I assume my command (in root) to copy Debian.iso to my USB would be: "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb"
648[05:02:47] <gglasses> ^^ is that right? :D
649[05:03:54] <jmcnaught> gglasses: you can also check dmesg right after plugging the USB stick in
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651[05:04:19] <wfio> hello
652[05:04:21] <jmcnaught> but if it makes sense in the context of your system that the 7.5G device is your USB stick, then you are correct
653[05:05:03] <wfio> Has anyone experienced failed installs on the new 9.0.1? I'm experiencing a slight deviation of the issues identified in 9.0.0 for bug #865015
654[05:05:04] <judd> Bug replaced-url
655[05:05:22] <gglasses> Yes, it makes sense jmcnaught :P that is the right size :P
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659[05:08:07] <jmcnaught> wfio: others have been complaining about similar issues here. Why not use the network installer?
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667[05:14:27] <gglasses> Does the network installer has a gui for choosing partitions to install? :o
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670[05:17:40] <wfio> The netiso? I've tried it. Same issue.
671[05:17:49] <wfio> It crashes at "Copying files to disk"
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674[05:21:24] <jmcnaught> wfio: what are you booting the installer from, and how did you copy the installer image?
675[05:21:35] <jmcnaught> and what does it do when it crashes?
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681[05:25:38] <wfio> I've DD'd the image to USB, used Etcher, tried to install to local disk -- I've also tried to do installs via VirtualBox, no bueno.
682[05:26:09] <wfio> Odd behavior starts at attemping to set Network time, it fails, so I set it manually. Then the installer starts copying files to the disk.
683[05:26:29] <wfio> Then I get error, "an installation step failed. you can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. the failing step is: install the system"
684[05:26:40] <wfio> at about 24% every time
685[05:27:08] <wfio> The error I'm getting when I check it: please make sure you have inserted the debian boot cd-rom to continue with the installation
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689[05:30:54] <jmcnaught> wfio: i don't know etcher, but programs like unetbooin and rufus are known to mangle Debian installer images. The correct way to copy them to USB is to copy the image directly to the device, not to a partition on the device
690[05:31:09] <jmcnaught> did you maybe dd the image to /dev/sdx1 instead of /dev/sdx?
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695[05:36:06] <wfio> ive done that too
696[05:36:20] <wfio> i dd'd and i also just copied the hybrid-iso to a fat32 partition
697[05:36:29] <wfio> also SHA256 checked all my images to confirm
698[05:36:41] <wfio> Looks like netinstall is working so far via expert install
699[05:36:57] <wfio> it's configuring base system right now so fingers crossed!
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707[05:45:33] <gglasses> Guys. Should the USB stick be monted or not?
708[05:45:41] <wfio> okay netinstall appears to be working
709[05:45:53] <wfio> any idea why netinstall is working but full disc images arent?
710[05:45:56] <gglasses> I read that the USB should not be mounted, but cp says: cp: cannot create regular file '/dev/sdb': No medium found
711[05:47:19] <wfio> you have to mount the disk if you are going to copy to it
712[05:47:36] <wfio> but if you are going to dd or cat the drive then you don't mount it b/c you are writing to the root of the disk
713[05:47:37] <jmcnaught> wfio: there seem to be problems with the live installer
714[05:47:50] <wfio> got it jmcnaught! :)
715[05:48:20] <wfio> do you do multi-partition USB and copy the ISO into one part and then load other firmware onto a separate?
716[05:48:20] <jmcnaught> gglasses: can you show the full command and output in a paste?
717[05:48:34] <gglasses> Yes sure
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720[05:49:18] <jmcnaught> the netinst image is already partitioned, and you can use the second partition to copy firmware .debs to. There is also an "unofficial" netinst image that includes firmwares, it is linked to in the install manual section covering firmwares
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722[05:50:29] <gglasses> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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724[05:51:31] <jmcnaught> gglasses: is /dev/sdb still listed by lsblk?
725[05:51:50] <gglasses> jmcnaught: nope
726[05:52:27] <jmcnaught> gglasses: unplug it, plug it back in, run dmesg and look at the last few messages
727[05:52:45] <wfio> hey jmcnaught will debian continue to work okay if i ditch systemd and go back to legacy init?
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729[05:53:33] <wfio> loaded question :->
730[05:53:58] <gglasses> jmcnaught: "[sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk"
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733[05:55:01] <jmcnaught> wfio: probably most things will work, some stuff that uses systemd features might not work. GNOME comes to mind but there could be other stuff
734[05:55:22] <jmcnaught> wfio: look at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz for how to switch properly
735[05:55:43] <jmcnaught> gglasses: does the cp command work now that you plugged it back in?
736[05:55:58] <wfio> Did you see the bug release on systemd-dns? Apparently it's broken pretty bad.
737[05:56:35] <gglasses> jmcnaught: it appears to be working, thanks :)
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741[06:01:47] <gglasses> jmcnaught: well, I will either see you with Debian installed or... do not see you TT.TT brb.
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753[06:11:44] <MACroshITe> bitcoin is more popular then ubuntu
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759[06:15:57] <veek> hehe it's also more fraudulent: replaced-url
760[06:16:26] <veek> that's coinsquare/goNumerical
761[06:16:40] <veek> doing business with some shady diamond scammer
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765[06:20:19] <MACroshITe> is that german for week?
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771[06:31:03] <somiaj> Trying to run a game that is compiled with mono in stretch. When I run the game I get some output and then the program just ends with no error or reason why. I have mono-complte installed and if I run mono on the server.exe that works. Unsure what libary I could be missing to get it to work.
772[06:31:14] <somiaj> replaced-url
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779[06:36:56] <jmcnaught> somiaj: is there any sort of config file in the game's directory that says which runtime version the it's supposed to use?
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781[06:38:30] <somiaj> jmcnaught: I was looking into that, but unsure how to change the run time by default.
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786[06:39:34] <jmcnaught> somiaj: mono has a --runtime=VERSION option but i don't know where you'd get a list of available runtimes
787[06:40:33] <somiaj> jmcnaught: I'm also unsure how I would call that for the .x86 binary that is being run. I could try to change the run time for the server, but it seems tow ork with the newer runtime. It is the game that isn't launching (and this isn't the only one, even an x86_64 game I tried files the same way. Righta fter it says it finds the config file it just stops.
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792[06:44:47] <somiaj> hmm, it appears that in stretch mono-complete only installs version 4, and I think I need either version 2 or 3. Wonder what package I need.
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795[06:46:05] <MACroshITe> gona start copy paste unsolved forum questions
796[06:46:07] <jmcnaught> somiaj: could it have something to do with the ahead-of-time compilation that mono does? maybe there are artifacts left over from the previous environment it ran in?
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799[06:46:49] <somiaj> wonder if I just need to install the libmono-2.0-1 file for i386
800[06:46:55] <MACroshITe> is mono version 4.1 like on windows 10?
801[06:48:08] <somiaj> Mono JIT compiler version 4.6.2 (Debian 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1) -- that is the version in stretch
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803[06:48:38] <jmcnaught> maybe Debian dropped older versions of Mono?
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805[06:48:54] <somiaj> seems libmomo-2.0-1 isn't fully multiarch, I would have to remove the amd64 libaries to get the 2.0-1 libary.
806[06:49:42] <somiaj> but I have another game that alos uses mono, it comes with an x86_64 binary, and it fails in the exact same right, right after setting tne Mono config path, then nothing.
807[06:49:52] <jmcnaught> the description of that package sounds more like a component of mono than a runtime version
808[06:51:12] <somiaj> well the games come with their own libmono.so that seems to be found correctly, looking at their mono configs etc/mono directory I see 1.0 and 2.0, so maybe it is some runtime issue with not being compadable with older versions in stretch.
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810[06:53:02] <jmcnaught> do the games work in steam on debian, but you're trying to make them work without steam?
811[06:53:21] <somiaj> they don't work in steam, so I'm running them manually trying to debug why.
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813[06:54:13] <jmcnaught> are there mono libraries in the steamos runtime that it downloads to your $HOME?
814[06:54:17] <somiaj> when I run them from steam I get the exact same output in .xsession-errors
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817[06:55:59] <somiaj> I don't see anything related to mono in $HOME/.steam
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819[06:57:33] <somiaj> hmm, even in jessie I'm only seeing one version of mono-runtime, I'm not quite seeing how to use older runtime versions in debian.
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822[06:59:29] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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825[07:03:48] <somiaj> yea, wish I would get some output that would give me some clue what was missing.
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827[07:04:27] <somiaj> I seem to have all the mono packages installed and the server runs just fine, it sonly the games that don't. I am usuing nvidia-nonfree, but usually that works well with steam games.
828[07:04:34] <somiaj> though these are the first mono games I have gotten.
829[07:05:00] <jmcnaught> it would be nice if it said which version of the runtime it wants
830[07:05:25] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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835[07:06:37] <somiaj> tried that, didn't have any different output with using the versions provided.
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837[07:06:52] <somiaj> I couldn't find any decent output in gacutil -l | less
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846[07:12:09] <jmcnaught> bummer. i don't have any mono games in steam.
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849[07:15:45] <somiaj> hmm, seems Bastion also uses mono and works just fine on my system. But it appears it bundels the version of mono it needs and maybe the issue is with the system mono in stretch.
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873[07:28:24] <somiaj> downloaded some game I found that is made in mono, and it works just fine too. So it is something specific that these two games I'm trying to run are missing.
874[07:28:31] <somiaj> ls
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876[07:30:16] <somiaj> both the .x86 and .x86_64 bins work, and I get the same output as the games that don't, but after that the game runs and I get more output. Oi, would love to get a useful error.
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881[07:31:59] <jmcnaught> somiaj: i haven't used steam on Debian very much, but on Windows the first time a game is run there's often an install phase, is there anything like that that needs to happen for these games?
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884[07:34:55] <somiaj> jmcnaught: not that I know of, I did the install like i have done all other games that work. I only went to running them from the cli when they didn't just work from steam.
885[07:35:09] <somiaj> I could uninstall and reinstall them, but since both are having hte same issue I think there is some other underlaying culprit.
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887[07:36:35] <somiaj> I have had good exerpience with steam games so far. I only have played about a dozen, but these are the first two I couldn't figure out how to make work.
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890[07:38:39] <jmcnaught> did you look in the steam community forums for those games? they're often quite active
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893[07:41:38] <latemus> where can i find the torrent files for old versions. doesnt the project put old downloads on a separate server?
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900[07:51:25] <somiaj> jmcnaught: didn't find anything useful, been searching around for a while now
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902[07:52:01] <somiaj> jmcnaught: anyways thanks. I'll come back to this another day. Only out $5 for the two games togehter, but still wish they would work.
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913[08:08:43] <maxcell_> How can i install Debian 9 to boot alongside with Windows 10 UEFI mode?
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916[08:10:47] <MACroshITe> UEFI was supposed to make windows the one and only
917[08:11:43] <MACroshITe> replaced-url
918[08:12:35] <MACroshITe> i guess intel though otherwise
919[08:13:44] <sumyunseal> mac had refi first
920[08:14:01] <sumyunseal> ufei
921[08:14:47] <MACroshITe> and android
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925[08:15:39] <maxcell_> i just install windows in UEFI mode because i find it a little faster to start, i thought UEFI was just a newer thing on BIOS and have nothing to do with the windows. i dont really know too much about these stuffs
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927[08:15:51] <MACroshITe> android got some pretty shity bootloader too that you cant update the OS
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931[08:16:45] <maxcell_> had*
932[08:17:44] <MACroshITe> secure boot its a UEFI thing
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934[08:18:23] <maxcell_> i dont even know what it does, i just like because it says it is secure
935[08:18:50] <MACroshITe> it was supposed to secure windows bottom line
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938[08:19:09] <MACroshITe> not leting other OSs to boot
939[08:20:06] <MACroshITe> and now MS wants to make your personal dirs readonly
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941[08:20:32] <maxcell_> OMG
942[08:20:37] <MACroshITe> only stupid MS apps can write to them
943[08:21:06] <maxcell_> so, thats why i couldn't paste a file in my windows dirs back in the day?
944[08:21:08] <MACroshITe> cause of ramdomwares
945[08:21:35] <maxcell_> i mount the ntfs-3g partitions and couldn't write into
946[08:21:47] <maxcell_> found that strange
947[08:22:28] <maxcell_> and thought to myself, how the hell they manage to prevent me to write into ntfs partitions?
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949[08:24:47] <MACroshITe> pretty sson only MS can have write permissions thru remote assistence
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951[08:26:28] <maxcell_> im not entirely sure if i understand what you said but, your telling me that secure boot manage to prevent linux users to write in ntfs partitions?
952[08:26:44] <MACroshITe> no thats what you said
953[08:26:57] <maxcell_> oh
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956[08:27:26] <MACroshITe> secure boot manage to prevent linux from booting up
957[08:27:32] <MACroshITe> thats what i said
958[08:27:35] <maxcell_> got it
959[08:28:07] <DeaDSouL> does anyone know what 'i801_smbus' driver is for?
960[08:28:25] <MACroshITe> it used before they had to coffup the keys so not to get slapped with anti competitive practices
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962[08:28:45] <maxcell_> i can be wrong and have done something wrong but, i mounted up the ntfs partitions and couldn't write on. Then i change the permissions of the "folder" but no success aswell
963[08:30:07] <MACroshITe> you need to be admin
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966[08:31:14] <maxcell_> its being a while i really dont remember exactly, nvm
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968[08:32:27] <MACroshITe> peep
969[08:32:36] <sumyunseal> huh
970[08:32:42] <sumyunseal> i am admin
971[08:33:13] <sumyunseal> whats up
972[08:33:14] <MACroshITe> you need to run with trusted installer
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974[08:33:32] <MACroshITe> trusted installer is the new top dog in windows 10
975[08:33:37] <MACroshITe> and windows 8
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977[08:34:23] <XeonSquared> copy cmd.exe to sethc.exe, press shift 5 times on the login screen, get a command prompt as the most powerful user on the system
978[08:34:42] <XeonSquared> because obviously the login screen should run as the most powerful, not the least
979[08:36:03] <MACroshITe> thats so you cant copy cmd.exe to sethc.exe
980[08:36:05] <XeonSquared> s/powerful/powerful user/
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982[08:36:35] <XeonSquared> If you can access startup recovery you can do it
983[08:36:44] <XeonSquared> I think it was startup recovery, anyway.
984[08:36:57] <XeonSquared> Windows security is like trying to stop water with a sieve
985[08:37:27] <MACroshITe> you dont need to login has admin to recover?
986[08:37:38] <XeonSquared> Nope.
987[08:37:43] <XeonSquared> No auth whatsoever
988[08:38:16] <maxcell_> I know that there is a way to start linux up in root with some commands in grub as well
989[08:38:41] <XeonSquared> Yup, modify the cmdline to init=/bin/bash
990[08:38:43] <maxcell_> You cant secure a machine if you have phisical access to it
991[08:38:50] <maxcell_> yes that is Xeon
992[08:38:55] <maxcell_> that is it
993[08:38:58] <maher> maxcell: encrypt the hd
994[08:39:01] <maxcell_> init=/bin/bash
995[08:39:09] <XeonSquared> If you encrypt your /boot and have a BIOS password it's almost okay
996[08:39:09] <MACroshITe> i recon windows thinks that if you had the recovery CD you muist be the admin
997[08:39:22] <XeonSquared> Still not foolproof but it's better than nothing
998[08:39:23] <maxcell_> hmm thats a good idea
999[08:39:39] <maxcell_> never thought about that
1000[08:40:24] <XeonSquared> It also helps to sign your GRUB for use with Secure Boot but that assumes your UEFI implementation works properly
1001[08:40:29] <MACroshITe> then you forget the password and you just wanna cry
1002[08:40:29] <XeonSquared> (spoiler: they generally don't)
1003[08:40:32] <maxcell_> no in windows if you put the pendrive/cd you can go to the recovery mode without any password or anything
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1009[08:42:26] <maxcell_> Why secure boot with grub Xeon?
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1011[08:42:55] <XeonSquared> Can still boot other systems with BIOS bootloaders from GRUB but can't do it without going through GRUB or the BIOS
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1013[08:44:40] <maxcell_> hehe i see
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1016[08:46:07] <maxcell_> basically you are telling me that if you put a Lilo in the pendrive you could boot any linux that is installed on the machine
1017[08:46:29] <XeonSquared> Uh?
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1021[08:47:10] <XeonSquared> By default, probably.
1022[08:47:14] <XeonSquared> In my setup, not a chance.
1023[08:47:36] <XeonSquared> Unless like
1024[08:47:44] <XeonSquared> you poke the UEFI implementation and it falls over
1025[08:47:44] <maxcell_> I mean, why put the secure boot on the grub if you arent protecting anything
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1027[08:48:15] <XeonSquared> which, considering that it implements half the win32 API and has zero testing, is rather likely
1028[08:48:43] <XeonSquared> You sign the GRUB efi stub, which then reads the encrypted /boot partition, ie you can only boot any OS through GRUB or the BIOS
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1030[08:49:35] <maxcell_> Yes i understand, to prevent bad things
1031[08:49:56] <maxcell_> very cool
1032[08:51:00] <maxcell_> When you encrypt the /boot it asks for a password to boot up?
1033[08:51:46] <XeonSquared> Yup.
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1036[08:53:00] <MACroshITe> if you mft file isnt encripted already
1037[08:53:01] <maxcell_> of course
1038[08:54:37] <MACroshITe> them you forget the password and game over
1039[08:55:21] <MACroshITe> you also need to password the UEFI
1040[08:55:32] <MACroshITe> dont forget about that
1041[08:56:10] <maxcell_> what if you put the HD in another computer and change the content of the /boot partition?
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1043[08:56:35] <XeonSquared> well, then it changes the boot partition
1044[08:56:40] <XeonSquared> but you need the encryption password for that
1045[08:56:57] <XeonSquared> and if you change the GRUB it is no longer signed and will no longer boot
1046[08:56:58] <maxcell_> even with that mounted in another computer?
1047[08:57:28] <maxcell_> oh got it
1048[08:57:52] <maxcell_> so you disable the Secure Boot from the BIOS and voila
1049[08:58:18] <maxcell_> in case that you doesn't remember your grubs password
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1060[09:04:04] <sumyunseal> any1 using lux
1061[09:04:14] <MACroshITe> me
1062[09:04:28] <sumyunseal> i want
1063[09:04:38] <MACroshITe> im using debian streetch
1064[09:04:42] <sumyunseal> me2
1065[09:04:48] <sumyunseal> o__o
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1069[09:06:24] <MACroshITe> m igood for the next 6 years
1070[09:06:36] <sumyunseal> i had wheezy for 5 yrs
1071[09:06:41] <sumyunseal> lelelel
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1073[09:07:05] <sumyunseal> debian slaps ubuntu around
1074[09:07:35] <MACroshITe> and runs circles around it
1075[09:07:45] <sumyunseal> lelel
1076[09:07:59] <sumyunseal> too stable
1077[09:08:31] <sumyunseal> packages so old
1078[09:08:37] <MACroshITe> i might switch to denuvian
1079[09:08:48] <sumyunseal> almost rusty
1080[09:08:54] <MACroshITe> cause systemd
1081[09:08:56] <sumyunseal> but sturdy
1082[09:09:41] <sumyunseal> systems?
1083[09:09:55] <MACroshITe> randsomwares already used systemd to wreck havok on linuxs
1084[09:10:09] <sumyunseal> oh
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1086[09:12:18] <MACroshITe> replaced-url
1087[09:12:32] <MACroshITe> its been ported from windows
1088[09:12:41] <sumyunseal> omfg
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1090[09:13:06] <sumyunseal> whats before systemd
1091[09:13:22] <MACroshITe> initd
1092[09:13:29] <sumyunseal> ya
1093[09:13:34] <sumyunseal> i like ignited
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1095[09:13:59] <MACroshITe> that would be igntd
1096[09:14:09] <sumyunseal> hows sisd dif from intd
1097[09:14:27] <MACroshITe> its not unix like
1098[09:14:38] <MACroshITe> it breaks the matra
1099[09:14:47] <MACroshITe> do one thing and do it well
1100[09:14:56] <sumyunseal> ah u bitch
1101[09:15:02] <sumyunseal> omfg
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1103[09:15:05] <MACroshITe> systmd does everything
1104[09:15:12] <sumyunseal> i have 2 delte it
1105[09:15:53] <MACroshITe> then you cant boot
1106[09:16:17] <sumyunseal> i still have wheezy
1107[09:17:20] <MACroshITe> replaced-url
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1109[09:19:27] <nedd_> dang wheezy have issue with php5.6 which is owncloud 10 requirement
1110[09:19:32] <MACroshITe> technically you can boot linux
1111[09:19:38] <MACroshITe> but just the kernel
1112[09:19:46] <nedd_> i use jessie
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1133[09:34:23] <MACroshITe> replaced-url
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1135[09:34:33] <MACroshITe> hail the police
1136[09:35:04] <cybrNaut> sounds like the police are doing their job, and the court fucked up
1137[09:35:19] <cybrNaut> (judging from the title)
1138[09:35:35] <MACroshITe> the police would work soo much better with out courts
1139[09:35:53] <cybrNaut> Judge Dredd
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1141[09:37:46] <cybrNaut> no mention in that article of the name of the judge who should be crucified
1142[09:38:47] <MACroshITe> lol
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1144[09:39:05] <MACroshITe> try crucify the police
1145[09:39:12] <MACroshITe> see what happends
1146[09:39:48] <MACroshITe> they the ones who crucify everyone else
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1215[10:36:04] <Raziel_> Updating packages yesterday broke my login service in Stretch D: Can't even get to a shell.
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1218[10:37:06] <nix64bit> i want to play startcraft of stretch, dont mind 2, any step by step advice?
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1227[10:43:08] <bitcoinx> how to install avconv on debian stretch?
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1258[10:59:51] <bch> hi, i am trying to install extlinux on debian 8.8. I don't see the extlinux.conf file somewhere? (after installation)
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1314[11:31:36] <yekk> hi, I'm wondering why entering (cd) into d-----x--- directory doesn't work (Permission denied). I'm in the directory group
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1323[11:32:52] <yekk> d--x------ works but not d-----x---
1324[11:33:02] <rudi_s> Are you the owner?
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1326[11:33:23] <yekk> yes owner + group, it's debian user
1327[11:33:37] <yekk> I can't explain this group denied stuff
1328[11:34:10] <jelly> if you're the owner, owner is the effective permission?
1329[11:34:36] <jelly> try with a different member of the same group
1330[11:34:45] <rudi_s> Yes.
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1332[11:35:22] <yekk> there's not other user in the group. Debian create a group per user
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1334[11:35:56] <yekk> but this a not related to debian, my concern is why entry into 010 perm does not work
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1337[11:36:49] <jelly> if you haven't tested with a second user in the same group, you don't know it "does not work"
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1341[11:38:55] <yekk> no, there's something about chdir syscall that I don't know
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1343[11:39:13] <yekk> when I do cd my euid is me
1344[11:39:43] <yekk> /bin/bash or /bin/dash has no s bit
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1350[11:42:09] <jelly> yekk: if you're not even willing to test the theory user permissions, including disabled ones, take precedence over group persmissions, and group permissions take precedence over other permissions, then I don't see a way to offer further help
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1353[11:45:32] <yekk> jelly: got it thanks: I thought that If user where belonging to group system could grant "better permission" (some kind of logical OR between user permission, which is --- and group permission, which is --x)
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1366[11:51:45] <antergos> testing
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1374[11:58:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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1382[12:04:19] <lezsakdomi> Hi! Is there a shell independent way to set the locale per-user?
1383[12:04:45] <ned_-> This my apache2.4 theming on my jessie replaced-url
1384[12:05:13] <ned_-> you mean sudo for shell ?
1385[12:06:46] <lezsakdomi> For example zsh doesn't read the ~/.profile.
1386[12:07:04] <ned_-> :/
1387[12:07:08] <lezsakdomi> But anyway, on Arch there is a .config/locale.conf
1388[12:07:14] <lezsakdomi> Similar on debian?
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1391[12:08:00] <lezsakdomi> My best idea currently is to create such a file, append a link to it in .bashrc and before every query, source that.
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1393[12:08:56] <Darby_Crash> hi guys. In laptop-mode-tools how can i disable usb autosuspend?
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1397[12:10:37] <Raziel_> Oh my god, I fixed it. \o/ dbus-1/system.conf included itself, so it ended in an endless loop, which caused dbus to fail when starting. I don't even understand how that can happen, I never touched that file.
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1399[12:11:04] <ned_-> :)
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1408[12:15:48] <armin> lezsakdomi: you can easily make zsh or any other shell read .profile or .blah or whatever file where you set LC_ALL and LANG.
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1411[12:16:33] * pesho
1412[12:16:36] <armin> lezsakdomi: i'm not aware of something like a locale.conf in a users home directory, though.
1413[12:17:09] <lezsakdomi> But what is the convention?
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1415[12:17:38] <armin> lezsakdomi: the convention is that you can set $LANG and $LC_ALL to control how a program behaves, i think.
1416[12:18:02] <lezsakdomi> I mean... Where to set them?
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1418[12:18:22] <lezsakdomi> Wherever man can?
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1421[12:19:02] <lat3n8ta> i did a fresh install of stretch and things have indeed changed. iwconfig wlp2s0 rate 11M does not change the rate to 11M. how can i change the rate of my wireless interface on stretch?
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1423[12:19:52] <armin> lezsakdomi: in some file that is being read when you log in. i just live with the fact that distributions are different anyways and set the in some .env file that i read from bashrc/bash_profile/profile/whatever, but feel free to find out where the actual differences between all the distributions are and what files are being sourced in what order on what distro if you like.
1424[12:20:12] <pesho> Does Debian 9 stretch support wifi cards?
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1426[12:20:39] <armin> pesho: pretty much so.
1427[12:20:50] <lezsakdomi> :(
1428[12:21:04] <lezsakdomi> Thanks, armin
1429[12:21:09] <pesho> @armin so some of wifi cards aren't supported?
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1431[12:21:48] <armin> lezsakdomi: systemd even introduced a new "localectl" program to control these things but i never actually used that i have to admit. feel free to dive in deeper, but in the end you're probably just controlling those variables that "locale" outputs, anyways, i assume.
1432[12:22:26] <lezsakdomi> That's what I want! Ty!
1433[12:22:49] <armin> pesho: debian supports a lot of cards that don't have proprietary drivers, out of the box. there might be hardware that requires you to enable the "non-free" drivers, too.
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1435[12:23:53] <armin> lezsakdomi: sorry for my confusing replies, i guess my way of setting locales is just not the preferred way nowadays anymore.
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1438[12:25:27] <pesho> armin, so still one way to find out is to use live iso and find out and non-free drivers are from non-free repository. Did I guess right?
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1442[12:27:40] <F14W3D> hello! is there any plan to release openvpn 2.4.3 to debian main repo?
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1451[12:30:59] <nkuttler> ,v openvpn
1452[12:31:00] <judd> Package: openvpn on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2.4.0-6~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.0-6; buster: 2.4.3-2; sid: 2.4.3-4
1453[12:31:27] <nkuttler> F14W3D: do you mean main, or stable?
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1456[12:32:53] <jmcnaught> F14W3D: and are you asking because of a feature, or because of a security fix?
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1465[12:35:11] <F14W3D> nkuttler: well .. guess it is stable then ...
1466[12:35:21] <F14W3D> jmcnaught: booth
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1468[12:35:29] <F14W3D> both*
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1474[12:38:42] <jmcnaught> F14W3D: Debian backports security fixes to the version of the package in the stable release. You can track security issues for a package with the tracker: replaced-url
1475[12:39:15] <jubo2> The hosting guys had the cloud-ready Debian9 kernel on day zero
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1478[12:39:41] <jubo2> at least they told me in advance there will be slight delay to get the kernel that is "cloud compatible"
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1480[12:40:36] <phogg> jubo2: what makes a kernel cloud compatible?
1481[12:40:50] <jubo2> I do not knows. I not texy.
1482[12:41:26] <F14W3D> also because raspbian keeps track of debian, and I am actually contributing to pivpn and there are plenty of users asking about version 2.4.3, which makes sense ... so, I asked my self about this .. and came here ... also to offer my help in what i can! =)
1483[12:41:34] <jubo2> phogg: this is what I heard that some minor modifications are needed to get the OS to the OpenStack-based cloud
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1487[12:42:11] <pesho> bye guys
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1494[12:46:11] <jmcnaught> Debian releases openstack images
1495[12:47:05] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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1497[12:49:15] <lat3n8ta> i did a fresh install of stretch and things have indeed changed. iwconfig wlp2s0 rate 11M does not change the rate to 11M. how can i change the rate of my wireless interface on stretch?
1498[12:49:34] <sinovelputra> Hallo
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1500[12:49:49] <sinovelputra> hallo
1501[12:50:16] <sinovelputra> what ur name>?
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1504[12:50:37] <sinovelputra> ok
1505[12:51:09] <bazhang> sinovelputra, #debian-offtopic for chit chat
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1522[13:04:08] <ahmed751995> every time i use sudo apt update i got this message
1523[13:04:08] <ahmed751995> W: replaced-url
1524[13:04:08] <ahmed751995> keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user
1525[13:04:08] <ahmed751995> '_apt' executing apt-key
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1527[13:04:32] <ahmed751995> what is that ?
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1538[13:10:18] <jmcnaught> ahmed751995: check the permissions on that file with ls -l
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1555[13:15:12] <ahmed751995> jmcnaught: the output : (-rw------- 1 root root 32 Jul 1 13:00 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg)
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1558[13:15:35] <bluewhitew> someone knows why when recompiling grub2, make install doesn't copy grub-install?
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1562[13:17:44] <jmcnaught> ahmed751995: that file should be rw-r--r-- "chmod 644 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg"
1563[13:18:06] <jmcnaught> ahmed751995: replaced-url
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1567[13:19:49] <BluesKaj> why compile grub ? there's no need for that, bluewhitew
1568[13:20:06] <bluewhitew> im just learn how it works
1569[13:20:41] <bluewhitew> by the way it works well, just im curious about make install dont copy grub-install
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1575[13:23:09] <ahmed751995> jmcnaught: how can i fix that
1576[13:23:37] <ahmed751995> jmcnaught: for normal user :D
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1579[13:25:31] <BluesKaj> bluewhitew, most users don't compile grub because it's usually installed by default ...it might take a while for an answer
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1581[13:26:15] <bluewhitew> BluesKaj: no problem... i want just to study some modules... im hacking around hello.mod now ... thnx anyway
1582[13:26:29] <BluesKaj> bluewhitew, you could ask in #grub
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1584[13:26:58] <bluewhitew> BluesKaj: sure thnx ;)
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1599[13:32:44] <newbie0815> how to install nvidia drivers in stretch?
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1610[13:38:36] <ahmed751995> how can i change file from -rw------- to -rw-r--r--
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1613[13:40:56] <nvz> ahmed751995: chmod 644 file
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1616[13:42:34] <nvz> ahmed751995: 4=read, 2=write, 1=execute add to combine perms, first bit is user, second is group, third is other
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1618[13:44:53] <ahmed751995> nvz: thank you very very much
1619[13:45:08] <nvz> ahmed751995: technically first bit is suid,guid,sticky as there are 4 total but any omitted bits are assumed to be 0
1620[13:45:22] <nvz> so 644 is actually 0644
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1631[13:49:27] <nvz> you could also do which relatively sets perms but i find absolute octal perms easier in most cases chmod go+r file
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1638[13:52:49] <ahmed751995> go+r file = 644
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1640[13:53:37] <nvz> no go+ = add r to group and other
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1644[13:54:55] <nvz> if file was 600 then go+r would make it 644 but if it was 622 itd make it 666
1645[13:55:09] <frozenrouter> I am using debian 9 to set up a multipurpose server, inluding use for file sharing. Other than samba, is there a good alternative to NFS for sharing to linux clients that can use authentication as a user on the server?
1646[13:55:28] <nvz> using the letters is relative to the current permissions using octal digits is absolute
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1649[13:56:06] <ahmed751995> mmmmmm now i understand
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1652[13:56:23] <ahmed751995> nvz: thanks a lot nvz
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1655[13:56:48] <nvz> frozenrouter: those two smb and nfs are the main ones you also have webdav, sshfs, ftp, and such
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1660[13:58:54] <frozenrouter> do you know which of the alternatives is the best in terms of security and reliability? I would like to be able to mount the share into the filesystem of clients.
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1662[13:59:23] <ParrotSec_> how do i extract a .deb with tar
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1668[14:01:36] <ParrotSec_> how do i extract a .deb without dpkg
1669[14:01:42] <nvz> frozenrouter: nfs is the easiest in my opinion and can be done in the kernel sshfs with keys would probably be more secure. its really up to you any of them can have security added by tunneling, additional auth methods, etc
1670[14:02:01] <nvz> ParrotSec_: debs are ar archives, use ar command
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1678[14:03:10] <ParrotSec_> ok
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1681[14:03:54] <frozenrouter> ok. the main reason that I look for an alternative to nfs is that my client base is difficult to keep stable, and the best security approach I have found for NFS is to control which ip addresses can access the share, however using keys with sshfs sounds like it might be just what I am looking for. Thanks!
1682[14:04:26] <ParrotSec_> how come when i open the same package with engrampa the structure is different? (i get DEBIAN and usr)
1683[14:05:26] <nvz> inside the ar archive is contol and data tars
1684[14:05:51] <nvz> maybe grampa knows best, maybe hes senile
1685[14:06:48] <ParrotSec_> lel
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1687[14:08:16] <nvz> for all i know he keeps popcicles in his basement
1688[14:08:27] <ParrotSec_> lol
1689[14:08:51] <ned_-> ;)
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1693[14:10:12] <nvz> you just dont go down there to find out... just like im not going to install and strace engrampa
1694[14:10:57] <ParrotSec_> lol
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1698[14:15:11] <ParrotSec_> how do i ar to stdout
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1700[14:15:27] <ParrotSec_> like pipe the extraction into tar
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1720[14:22:36] <linuxnewbie0815> please. I need urgent help. Under stretch I installed invida-driver for my "geforce 310M". now after reboot I am only logged to tty. I also cannot reactivate noveau. anybody that could help me?
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1764[14:44:28] <pesho> Hello to all. Is it a chat which includes general questions?
1765[14:45:16] <BluesKaj> pesho, depends on your question, but be specific
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1768[14:46:23] <pesho> ok then. TO all 1 636 users in the chat........... Why to use Debian instead of Fedora?
1769[14:46:27] <abrotman> he just said it was a general question ..
1770[14:46:30] <abrotman> !why debian
1771[14:46:31] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
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1774[14:47:27] <hubot> make[1]: *** /lib/modules/4.9.24-v7+/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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1778[14:48:39] <BluesKaj> abrotman, yeah, my humour didn't translate thru the text very well
1779[14:48:42] <Achelon> Hi guys, I'm having an issue with Debian Stretch hanging and could do with some clues as to how to troubleshoot the issue
1780[14:49:21] <hubot> I need compile cryptodev on debian
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1782[14:49:22] <grwand> generally speaking, if a program says 'core dumped' and i am not one of the devs, can i fix it?
1783[14:49:35] <BluesKaj> Achelon, check /var/log/syslog for errors
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1786[14:51:28] <Achelon> The Stretch VM intermittently hangs with the vCPU stuck at 100%, not responding to keystrokes at (virtual) console and cant ssh into it. happened with ssh connected and it says: kernel:[ 478.497706] Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
1787[14:51:29] <password4> Hi
1788[14:51:42] <password4> How do i set proxy in terminal?
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1790[14:52:23] <password4> I tried exporting , but it does not seem to do anything
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1792[14:53:32] <pesho> so nobody'll answer to my question or nobody've an answer to my question
1793[14:53:38] <password4> How do i check if export saved mah var?
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1851[15:21:01] <aekkie> Hi Leute, ich hab ma ne blöde Frage (bitte nich auslachen), aber wie kann man nen Kernel patchen? Ich hab schon jede Menge Anleitungen gelesen, die doch sehr unterschiedlich sind. Es geht um nen Treiber für das ClickPad für das Lenovo x240 mit den 3 Tasten. Der Treiber sollte laut thinkpad-forum (replaced-url
1852[15:21:02] <aekkie> [15:08:09] <aekkie> pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/dtor/input.git/commit/?h=for-linus&id=6067fe5e0bf29f525561c8281d01011cfc9ebbd4
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1856[15:22:23] <aekkie> Thank you ^.^
1857[15:23:17] <jelly> !de
1858[15:23:18] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
1859[15:23:49] <aekkie> ^.^
1860[15:24:04] <aekkie> thank you verry much jelly ^.^
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1862[15:25:01] <itachi> hello
1863[15:25:12] <itachi> anyone from swiss
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1893[15:44:38] <Mahe> hey, anyone have a working Seafile client for Stretch?
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2013[16:51:55] <wfio> Did anyone notice that all of the links on the debian distribution page are still pointing to the 9.0.0 images?
2014[16:52:20] <wfio> Same for netinst
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2016[16:53:26] <wfio> Sorry to be a complainer but this is really just annoying. How are the full sized images in 9.0.1 still broken? Are the devs working on fixing them? Netinst is pita to run :->
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2018[16:54:29] <wfio> otherwise I love it ;-)
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2028[16:56:18] <awal1> 9.0.1?
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2058[17:14:50] <Laserburn> my stretch upgrade just failed while upgrading syslog-ng after I selected the default of continuing to use my config
2059[17:14:54] <Laserburn> has anyone else run into this problem?
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2061[17:15:14] <nkuttler> Laserburn: paste.debian.net the error
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2066[17:16:14] <Laserburn> paste.debian.net/974245
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2069[17:17:15] <nkuttler> Laserburn: systemctl status syslog-ng.service -l
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2073[17:17:50] <nkuttler> Laserburn: btw, do you have a reason not to use the default syslog?
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2076[17:18:20] <Laserburn> paste.debian.net/974247
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2078[17:18:26] <nkuttler> if not, it might be better to go with the default and better tested rsyslog
2079[17:18:38] <Laserburn> I did have a reason, but I can't recall that reason at this time...it was years ago that I first installed it
2080[17:18:55] <nkuttler> meh. those logs are as useful as always..
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2084[17:19:13] <Laserburn> that's kinda how I felt about it
2085[17:19:33] <nkuttler> i don't know, i usually look at the exec start command and try to run it by hand..
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2088[17:21:00] <Laserburn> stretch upgrade has also broken nagios on two of my systems now
2089[17:21:18] <nkuttler> congratulations
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2091[17:21:29] <Laserburn> and anything that relies on php
2092[17:21:37] <Laserburn> bit frustrating...
2093[17:21:56] <nkuttler> did you verify your applications can run on the packaged php version?
2094[17:22:14] <nkuttler> and really, focus on one problem
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2096[17:22:36] <Laserburn> I am focused solely on the syslog issue at this time.
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2098[17:22:52] <Laserburn> the rest is just bitching about two other issues that stretch has given me extra hours on.
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2100[17:24:34] <Laserburn> I know how to handle the php and nagios issues, although I must admit that the community's response to the nagios issue so far has been "why aren't you using x fork instead"
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2125[17:37:52] <grwand> is there a log file which holds all the write operations of apt?
2126[17:38:10] <nkuttler> grwand: as in each file written? no
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2138[17:42:16] <AlmuHS> hi all
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2161[17:52:30] <aib> how can I 1) list apt sources 2) list packages for a specific apt source in the command line, please?
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2171[17:56:38] <firef1y> Does anybody know if Stretch (I think that
2172[17:56:54] <firef1y> 's the new one) supports Kaby Lake iGPU?
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2174[17:57:47] <missmbob> enough to install. you'll want to compile 4.11 kernel yourself
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2179[17:59:29] <firef1y> so stretch really doesn't support it?
2180[17:59:38] <missmbob> no
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2182[17:59:54] <firef1y> okay. That machine will stay on Arch, then.
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2192[18:05:22] <awal1> who cares...
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2218[18:14:19] <dondelelcaro> you could just install the kernel from unstable/experimental
2219[18:14:42] <dondelelcaro> judd: kernels
2220[18:14:43] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
2221[18:14:44] <judd> (3.2.89-2)
2222[18:15:06] <dondelelcaro> and it will probaly get uploaded to stretch in the near-future
2223[18:15:13] <dondelelcaro> (stretch-backports, rather)
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2260[18:31:36] <metax> where should i submit a request about task-lxde-desktop debian package?
2261[18:31:42] <metax> feature request
2262[18:31:46] <dakdakda> hi how do I add an extra IPv4 on debian 8 ?
2263[18:32:06] <metax> dakdakda, it's on the same network interface?
2264[18:32:18] <dakdakda> yes
2265[18:32:42] <metax> replaced-url
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2268[18:33:31] <dakdakda> ip addr add ip/32 dev eth0 , this doesn't work ?
2269[18:33:47] <metax> it should be eth0:0 then
2270[18:33:55] <metax> or any number after :
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2273[18:34:16] <dakdakda> oh so should be dev eth0:1
2274[18:34:18] <dakdakda> for example ?
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2276[18:34:27] <dakdakda> let me try..
2277[18:35:18] <dakdakda> doesn't work
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2282[18:36:30] <metax> what's the error?
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2284[18:36:46] <awal1> metax, a wishlist bug about that metapkg
2285[18:36:56] <metax> thanks awal1
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2289[18:38:07] <dakdakda> metax
2290[18:38:33] <potus> Just wanted to let you guys know, HUGE FAILURE on Debian 9.0.1. Mistakenly issued a bad dd command yesterday and ended up needing to reinstall;Debian 9.0.1 live cd XFCE is uninstallable without internet connection (HOW IS THIS STABLE?!?!?) My keyboard because of whatever driver we are using now (IBUS?) is intermitting ..
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2292[18:38:51] <potus> oo, the root password does not set on install; manually had to rehash the /etc/shadow
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2295[18:39:15] <potus> was there even anyone to test this distro or did we just pack it up and send it up as a resume booster for the staffing?
2296[18:39:27] <missmbob> potus: that's known. use the installer iso's, not live iso
2297[18:39:31] <potus> again 9.0.1. is a mess and on a thinkpad t520 it is borderline unusable.
2298[18:39:52] <potus> missmbob: even after wrestling to get it installed the system is not stable..
2299[18:40:06] <potus> when i close the lid of laptop and reopen it.. screen stays black.
2300[18:40:19] <dondelelcaro> potus: lots of us test it and use it every day, even on similar hardware.
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2302[18:40:32] <potus> i felt like we had this at 7.0 i had to remove the lightdm ,
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2304[18:40:40] <dondelelcaro> (but not everyone uses the live disks, or XFCE, or your specific confgiuration)
2305[18:40:56] <potus> dondelelcaro: obviously we took steps backwards sooo, testing/QC isnt that great lately
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2309[18:41:18] <Laserburn> I agree potus, it does not seem like very much testing went into this release. I have fought failures in 4 different packages post-upgrade so far, with no caveats in the release notes.
2310[18:41:43] <potus> Laserburn: glad someone else can call a spade a spade here
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2312[18:41:56] <dondelelcaro> potus: *shrug*; file bugs. Test the distribution
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2314[18:42:11] <potus> So now what, find an old debian 8 live cd and hope for the best?
2315[18:42:16] <missmbob> use the proper iso to install. not live.
2316[18:42:21] <potus> what a gaffe on whoever is running this operation
2317[18:42:26] <Laserburn> I'm on the verge of jumping distros.
2318[18:42:35] <missmbob> you're jumping to live again. sweet
2319[18:42:39] <potus> should of kept it at 8.x (the live cds) esp since this literally cant work..
2320[18:42:42] <dondelelcaro> potus: if you actually tell us the issues you are having, people might be able to help
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2323[18:43:04] <missmbob> potus: dont use live to install. can you get that?
2324[18:43:06] <Laserburn> missmbob: there's nothing wrong with installing from livecd
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2326[18:43:24] <potus> missmbob: i been installing from live for years but again, it says "install" on live disc.. if it cant even pass install without inet connection; testing to stable went wrong somewhere along the way
2327[18:43:26] <missmbob> Laserburn: other than many bugs, no
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2329[18:43:44] <ralpheeee> oh...was just about to give debian stretch a try.../o\
2330[18:43:49] <Laserburn> where is this mentioned anywhere? lol
2331[18:43:56] <potus> missmbob: no i dont; obviously failure on the dev teams part..
2332[18:43:59] <Laserburn> just your own personal anecdote?
2333[18:44:07] <potus> ralpheee: stayyyyy awayyyyyyy
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2335[18:44:43] <missmbob> dondelelcaro: okay, guess it's just a bitch session
2336[18:44:44] <ralpheeee> replaced-url
2337[18:44:45] <potus> laserburn: what distro we going to flock to now? gentoo or?
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2341[18:44:53] <potus> bitch session
2342[18:44:55] <Laserburn> I'm testing arch personally
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2344[18:44:58] <potus> like seriously roll back ur 9.0 garbage
2345[18:45:02] <dondelelcaro> Laserburn: the install guide explains how to install Debian, and doesn't use the live CDs.
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2347[18:45:10] <Laserburn> not sure I want to use it for production servers though
2348[18:45:13] <Lugal1> Hello, I need help
2349[18:45:14] <potus> people want a resume so push non-sense and tell us "oo well install dont install use 2nd install cd"
2350[18:45:25] <potus> been on debian since we installed it via 7 3 1/2 inch floppies
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2352[18:45:35] <potus> not im being told an install disc dont install use another disc.. wack jobs!
2353[18:45:39] <potus> not/now
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2358[18:45:57] <ralpheeee> i dont want to start a distro war...read that there were some issues with graphical installer...
2359[18:45:59] <Laserburn> dondelelcaro: the livecd for debian AND ubuntu have install to hard drive options, IIRC. I haven't personally used in a while. Why would those options be there if they aren't intended to work?
2360[18:46:16] <dondelelcaro> Laserburn: they are intended to work, but clearly they haven't been well tested by anyone
2361[18:46:22] <Lugal1> from all traffic that come and goes between my PC and the internet I want each IP-address to be shown one time. something similar to tcpdump, but in tcpdump it shows the same IP many time.
2362[18:46:26] <Laserburn> ...
2363[18:46:51] <dondelelcaro> Laserburn: which is why that's not the official way to install Debian
2364[18:47:03] <Laserburn> why include it on the livecd?
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2366[18:47:35] <dondelelcaro> Laserburn: because it worked at some point?
2367[18:47:46] <nkuttler> Laserburn: are you suggesting to remove all non-official functionality?
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2369[18:48:16] <Laserburn> for something as important as the initial installation, yes, if it's not going to be supported by the community.
2370[18:48:16] <dondelelcaro> Laserburn: and the developers making the livecd as a service assumed that people were actually using and testing them; apparently no one was
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2372[18:48:20] <missmbob> Laserburn: plus the lead dev of live left about a year ago and no one's really taken it
2373[18:48:41] <dondelelcaro> Laserburn: the documented initial installation method is to use the installation CDs
2374[18:49:12] <dondelelcaro> Lugal1: you could do that with tcpdump and some scripting, but what exactly are you trying to do?
2375[18:49:19] <dondelelcaro> (there's likely a better method)
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2377[18:49:44] <Laserburn> I've done all I can to point out the cognitive dissonance. *shrug*
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2379[18:50:14] <Lugal1> want to have a programm to make me a list of all IPs being conected to during a longer period
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2381[18:50:25] <dondelelcaro> Laserburn: a more useful thing would be to test it and file bugs, ideally with patches
2382[18:50:36] <iodev> Lugal1: netstat
2383[18:50:54] <Lugal1> but netstat is just for the moment
2384[18:51:01] <Lugal1> I want a log for longer time
2385[18:51:24] <iodev> Lugal1: well, make a script around netstat
2386[18:51:33] <th0r> Lugal1, have you tried 'watch -f netstat'?
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2388[18:52:14] <Lugal1> havent tried yet
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2393[18:53:18] <Lugal1> and I also want to see the traffic my smartphone connected to, when using hotspot
2394[18:53:26] <Lugal1> but netstat doest show me those
2395[18:53:35] <Lugal1> doesnt*
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2399[18:54:22] <dondelelcaro> Lugal1: sudo tcpdump -i wlan0 -n -l|perl -ne '/IP (\d+(?:\.\d+){3})/; print $1.qq(\n) unless $a{$1}; $a{$1}=1';
2400[18:54:26] <dondelelcaro> Lugal1: or similar
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2402[18:54:44] <Lugal1> so tcpdump should be the solution, but I dont know how to handle the output if it. I already triend to use c++ : system("tcpdump -n...... but I couldnt get the output from it
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2406[18:56:41] <nix64bit> how do i check what sound output wine is using for a game?
2407[18:56:41] <Lugal1> Danke! das löst mein Problem :)
2408[18:56:55] <Lugal1> I mean, Thank you, i works for me :)
2409[18:57:17] <nix64bit> das gud
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2452[19:10:48] <cpdev> hello
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2457[19:11:14] <carmelo89> Good evening, I've been having this bug over Debian for a long time and I do not understand what's wrong: replaced-url
2458[19:11:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2470[19:14:10] <carmelo89> It happens often when I'm in twitter and read tweets with scrolling, or when I edit a gimp image by applying filters
2471[19:14:30] <laurus> I'm getting "Temporary failure in name resolution" when I try to ping something like bing.com when connected to a Wifi network with Network Manager. Any ideas on how to fix this?
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2577[19:54:18] <luichi> hello
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2581[19:55:36] * CRM114 yawns
2582[19:56:04] <CRM114> upgrade ongoing, for over 6 hours
2583[19:56:06] <luichi> i have debian 9 stretch installed upgraded and dist upgraded with bios also updated to version 2.2.4 and in my lenovo thinkpad e540 randomly when i resume after suspend the fan goes full speed during 8 secons and then system shutdowns i want to know which logs to look to search for a fix or reporting the bug (in debian 8 jessie it didnt happen)
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2585[19:56:15] <luichi> here is the output of sudo journalctl -p 3 -xb
2586[19:56:15] <luichi> replaced-url
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2597[19:58:57] <jmcnaught> luichi: so those are logs from before the problem happens?
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2601[19:59:39] <laurus> When I'm connected using Network Manager wifi, I get "Temporary failure in name resolution" when I ping anything. How do I fix this?
2602[20:00:02] <luichi> jmcnaught, i executed the command after it happened
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2604[20:00:23] <jmcnaught> laurus: what does it say in /etc/resolv.conf?
2605[20:00:38] <luichi> jmcnaught, i suspended my laptop at 16:47 and resumed at 18:51
2606[20:01:06] <laurus> jmcnaught, hi! Thanks for responding! It says: # Generated by Connection Manager \n nameserver 127.0.0.1 \n nameserver ::1
2607[20:01:18] <laurus> I tried replacing those with some other DNS nameservers, but that didn't fix anything.
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2609[20:01:43] <laurus> Various things are in /etc/network/interfaces, and I tried commenting them out as well, but that didn't fix things either.
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2611[20:02:20] <jmcnaught> luichi: you can turn on persistent logging with journald, look at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz for how. Then you can us "journalctl -b -1" to see the previous boot's messages (alternatively look for these messages in syslog)
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2615[20:03:36] <jmcnaught> "for boot in $(journalctl --list-boots | awk '{print $2;}'); do journalctl --boot $boot --lines 20; done | less" <-- this lovely command will show you the last 20 lines of every boot that journald still has logs for
2616[20:03:46] <carmelo89> ?? replaced-url
2617[20:03:48] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2619[20:05:31] <jmcnaught> laurus: are you able to ping IP addresses? like 8.8.8.8?
2620[20:05:52] <laurus> jmcnaught, let me get off the wired connection that I'm on now and test that. One sec.
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2626[20:07:14] <laurus> jmcnaught, It said "connect: Network is unreachable"
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2628[20:07:23] <laurus> (when I pinged 8.8.8.8).
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2631[20:08:03] <shtrb> default route up ?
2632[20:08:41] <laurus> shtrb, what does that mean? Sorry, I know nothing about this. It's always just worked for the past 7 years! :)
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2635[20:08:56] <laurus> I saw this: replaced-url
2636[20:09:05] <shtrb> check if you have a default route , and if you can ping the gateway
2637[20:09:13] <jmcnaught> laurus: are other devices connecting successfully to this wifi?
2638[20:09:30] <jmcnaught> laurus: "ip r" to check default route, "ip a" for address information
2639[20:09:32] <laurus> jmcnaught, yes, I was using it from my Debian 8 computer until yesterday when I reinstalled .
2640[20:09:34] <shtrb> ip route , take what comes after the via , ping that ip
2641[20:09:39] <laurus> OK, let me try those. BRB again.
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2643[20:09:54] <luichi> jmcnaught, i have done sudo mkdir -p /varlog/journal && sudo mkdir -p /varlog/journal && sudo adduser lluis adm and sudo journalctl -b -1 says Specifying boot ID has no effect, no persistent journal was found
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2645[20:10:25] <luichi> jmcnaught, i dont understand what you saying here: "for boot in $(journalctl --list-boots | awk '{print $2;}'); do journalctl --boot $boot --lines 20; done | less" <-- this lovely command will show you the last 20 lines of every boot that journald still has logs for
2646[20:10:26] <shtrb> laurus , I'm late to the party but make sure your firmware is loaded
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2648[20:10:56] <shtrb> *and installed
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2654[20:11:35] <jmcnaught> luichi: if you run that command, it runs journalctl once for each boot that it has in its records
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2659[20:12:14] <laurus> jmcnaught, shtrb : It said this: replaced-url
2660[20:12:16] <aguitel> is this safe way to install compiz in stretch ? replaced-url
2661[20:12:20] <jmcnaught> luichi: you need to restart systemd-journald, and obviously it won't have previous boot records until later
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2667[20:12:55] <jmcnaught> luichi: the command was helpful for me when i was investigating crash issues, to see a summary of the final log messages of multiple boots at once
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2669[20:13:05] <jmcnaught> anyways i gotta for a bit, good luck all
2670[20:13:11] <shtrb> laurs , did you ping the ip ?
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2674[20:13:57] <laurus> shtrb, oh, no, I forgot, sorry. Which IP?
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2676[20:14:15] <shtrb> *laurus , you don't have a default gw in that output
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2678[20:14:49] <shtrb> it's probabaly 192.168.1.1 , blame your dhcp server
2679[20:15:02] <laurus> OK. How should I fix that?
2680[20:15:13] <shtrb> route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev wlp3s0 as root
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2683[20:15:35] <laurus> It says "sudo: route: command not found"
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2685[20:15:44] <shtrb> wtf ?
2686[20:16:53] <shtrb> sorry the ip is 192.168.0.1 not .1.1
2687[20:16:56] <shtrb> *probably (because the subnet is /24)
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2689[20:17:10] <laurus> Hm. How do I get the route command installed?
2690[20:17:26] <newbie0815> is there a live cd debian for use with an older imac (3rd generation, powerpc) ?
2691[20:17:26] <laurus> I seem to have routef, and routel
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2693[20:18:42] <laurus> shtrb, I think route has been replaced with "ip r"
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2697[20:19:12] <laurus> Er "route add" is now "ip route add"
2698[20:19:26] <shtrb> I don't belive such evil exists
2699[20:19:30] <luichi> jmcnaught, ok
2700[20:19:37] <laurus> shtrb, I'm just looking at replaced-url
2701[20:19:56] <laurus> shtrb, based on that page, what command should I run?
2702[20:20:40] <missmbob> ifconfig and route can get installed by installing net-tools
2703[20:20:42] <luichi> can i used sudo systemctl restart systemd-journal* to restart all services starting with systemd-journal ??
2704[20:21:06] <laurus> missmbob, thanks, just installed that.
2705[20:21:26] <laurus> shtrb, okay I just ran your route command.
2706[20:21:32] <laurus> Now what should I do?
2707[20:21:41] <shtrb> can you now ping 8.8.8.8 ?
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2709[20:21:59] <laurus> Let me try. BRB.
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2711[20:22:01] <shtrb> did you fix it the ip to be 192.168.0.1 and not 192.168.1.1 ?
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2725[20:27:26] <laurus> shtrb, okay, it works now, after I did two more things. I had to add the OpenDNS name servers to /etc/resolv.conf, and I had to comment out everything in /etc/network/interfaces .
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2727[20:28:09] <shtrb> laurus , commenting stuff there is not a good idea
2728[20:28:18] <laurus> Once I commented out everything in /etc/network/interfaces , I could ping 8.8.8.8 but not bing.com . Then when I added the OpenDNS nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf, it worked with "ping bing.com"
2729[20:28:19] <shtrb> you should better fix that
2730[20:28:24] <laurus> shtrb, okay but I'm not sure how to fix it.
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2732[20:28:56] <laurus> It told me when I installed network manager that I would need to remove items from that file if I wanted them to be "managed" by Network Manager.
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2736[20:29:05] <laurus> So I thought commenting stuff out there was okay.
2737[20:29:27] <shtrb> If that is what you like ..
2738[20:29:52] <laurus> shtrb, I'm not an expert on this stuff. One question: will this setup work with other wireless networks too?
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2741[20:30:22] <shtrb> it would , I just don't like NM sometimes
2742[20:30:31] <laurus> Oh OK. I'm fine with it for now.
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2744[20:30:45] <laurus> A question: how did you know the IP I needed to add with that route command?
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2750[20:32:20] <shtrb> standard default gw are either 1 or 138 , from 192.168.0.0/24 you get the subnet 192.168.0 the last is just an educated guess
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2753[20:33:02] <laurus> shtrb, ah, I see, thank you.
2754[20:33:18] <laurus> One more question: do you know what the equivalent of the route command would be using the newer commands mentioned at that wordpress blog I linked to?
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2757[20:33:49] <shtrb> If you use NM you don't really need to use that at all
2758[20:33:57] <laurus> shtrb, oh really!
2759[20:34:19] <shtrb> NM suppose to that for you , it's the only reason it exists
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2762[20:34:43] <laurus> shtrb, hmm, I don't see anywhere in there to set that though.
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2766[20:34:54] <duff> Is KDE more customizable than gnome ?
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2768[20:35:03] <mtn> duff, yes
2769[20:35:21] <shtrb> duff , plasama and depends on what you define as customization
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2771[20:35:48] <duff> I want to use a dark theme that affects the whole DE
2772[20:35:50] <missmbob> no, mtn was just right
2773[20:35:51] <shtrb> debian also have older version of "The DE that shall not be named" that currently exist in other places
2774[20:36:18] <shtrb> sorry , autocorrect took 'KDE' and made it 'The DE that shall not be named'
2775[20:36:25] <mtn> duff, you should be able to use dark themes with both of them
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2777[20:36:38] <shtrb> that can be done on both equivalently
2778[20:36:40] <duff> Would GTK allow that?
2779[20:36:49] <mtn> duff, sure, why not?
2780[20:37:01] <laurus> duff, I'm using Lxqt and it has a Dark theme built in.
2781[20:37:05] <mtn> duff, nothing special about dark themes
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2783[20:37:19] <laurus> (for your information)
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2787[20:39:20] <spacebug^> is it possible to integrate Thunderbirds Calendar with Gnomes calendar?
2788[20:39:35] <spacebug^> (not using evolution)
2789[20:39:49] <fhh> Hi all, s-nail replace now (on stretch) heirloom-mailx but dont provide mailx, is-it a chose or an oversight ?
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2795[20:41:22] <shtrb> spacebug^ , yes but I think there is a sync / addon for that
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2798[20:42:20] <shtrb> replaced-url
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2801[20:43:53] <spacebug^> thanks shtrb
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2805[20:44:57] <duff> Is it better to compile from source than use alien to convert rpm to deb?
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2807[20:45:24] <shtrb> spacebug^ , but maybe there is a better solution (point Gnome and thunderbird to work with external calendar source )
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2810[20:46:26] <ralpheeee> best dark theme i have ever come across is terminal :O
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2813[20:47:20] <ralpheeee> well thats not 100% true...TTY probably come first /o\
2814[20:49:06] <spacebug^> shtrb: the addon I did not really understand.
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2816[20:49:40] <missmbob> spacebug^: it had nothing to do with what you wanted
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2818[20:49:48] <spacebug^> missmbob: ah ok
2819[20:49:54] * spacebug^ is asking in #gnome now
2820[20:49:58] <spacebug^> seems more related
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2822[20:50:35] <aguitel> installing compiz from this repo:replaced-url
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2824[20:51:02] <shtrb> oh shit , I pasted the wrong addon
2825[20:51:16] <spacebug^> :D
2826[20:51:20] <missmbob> aguitel: no and you wont be supported here
2827[20:51:33] <missmbob> !tell aguitel -about dont break debian
2828[20:51:56] <duff> Does anyone else remember the good old days of linux?
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2830[20:52:06] <spacebug^> shtrb: you find the right one?
2831[20:52:19] <CRM114> duff: timeframe?
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2833[20:52:41] <aguitel> missmbob, ok
2834[20:52:42] <missmbob> duff: try #debian-offtopic. this isnt a chat channel
2835[20:52:59] <shtrb> when KDE 3.5 exist and we didn't have support for our wifi ?
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2837[20:54:04] <shtrb> sorry , I closed that
2838[20:54:18] <shtrb> spacebug^ , I closed the browser sorry
2839[20:54:57] <CRM114> how long does an upgrade to stretch normally take?
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2841[20:55:49] <spacebug^> shtrb: ah ok, no worry. Thanks anyway
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2848[20:59:41] <spacebug^> shtrb: oh, I only needed to add my nextcloud server to online accouns :)
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2853[21:03:23] <shtrb> that is much better option
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2855[21:05:48] <spacebug^> another question. I'm thinking about enabling "unlock diskecryption over ssh" for my server. But that seems to install a small seperate ssh-server (dropbear or something). Might this just add another security weakness?
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2857[21:06:11] <spacebug^> so it's a normal trade off regarding my paranoia vs convenience?
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2865[21:08:44] <mango> Hello, I just installed debian stable from the iso on the website
2866[21:08:52] <mango> But I need at least kernel 4.10, because im using ryzen
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2868[21:09:08] <mango> The package isnt in aptcahce, and still isnt there after I added backports
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2870[21:09:29] <mango> So, my question is, do I compile the kernel myself, or grab it from busters packages ?
2871[21:09:56] <missmbob> get 4.11 from sid
2872[21:10:30] <mango> Alright, and how do I do that?
2873[21:10:40] <mango> I tried going through backports but its not there :/
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2879[21:10:56] <missmbob> download it from packages.debian.org and then dpkg -i
2880[21:11:59] <missmbob> or you can add sid sources to sources.list for this to make it easier IF AND ONLY IF you immediately remove it
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2882[21:12:24] <missmbob> gotta go
2883[21:12:30] <spacebug^> take care missmbob
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2890[21:16:32] <mango> Couldn't find a 4.10 kernel on sid :/
2891[21:16:36] <mango> found 4.11 replaced-url
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2893[21:16:42] <mango> going to try adding sid to sources
2894[21:16:47] <nkuttler> ,kernels
2895[21:16:48] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
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2897[21:17:06] <mango> Aha, I couldn't find it because it doesnt exist.
2898[21:17:12] <duff> xanmod is pretty good
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2930[21:32:09] <MyCuriosity> hi, can you recommend a good 2016 or 2016 model laptop which has no problems running debian ?
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2932[21:32:36] <MyCuriosity> *2016 or 2017
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2939[21:35:33] <ralpheeee> MyCuriosity: dunno about Debian...but generally Lenovo in particular thinkpads are always good to recommend for linux...
2940[21:35:49] <ralpheeee> all depends on how much you are willing to spend...
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2944[21:36:39] <MyCuriosity> ralpheeee: I have privacy concerns regarding these lenovo laptops
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2947[21:36:49] <MyCuriosity> not sure if it is still an issue or not
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2953[21:38:45] <nebul8_> hi all. I'm trying to add the ethereum PPA to my newly installed debian stretch. I get the following error: replaced-url
2954[21:39:01] <nebul8_> could someone give me a hint why that's not working? thanks!
2955[21:39:15] <nebul8_> (or how I can further investigate the issue...)
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2958[21:39:54] <towo`> nebul8_, ppa's are for ubuntu, not debian
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2960[21:40:06] <towo`> so don't do that!
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2962[21:40:23] <ralpheeee> MyCuriosity: what concerns exactly?
2963[21:40:52] <nebul8_> towo`: ah okay. so what would be the preferred way to install geth etc. on debian?
2964[21:40:57] <MyCuriosity> ralpheeee: I think they caught them some time ago with a hardware component which is specifically there to leech data ?
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2966[21:41:11] <nebul8_> towo`: I just followed replaced-url
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2969[21:42:14] <ralpheeee> thinkpads are not effected as they are designed primarily for the corporate world...
2970[21:42:35] <towo`> build it from source
2971[21:42:42] <afmza> i installed debian netinst on a usb3 flash stick. UEFI mode. Created a 250MB UEFI partition and the rest for root. Booted up ran for 2 days. Now all of a sudden it wont boot. no changes to the bios. Just not booting. What could this be?
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2973[21:43:23] <nebul8_> I wonder why is it then so easy to install PPAs in a newly installed debian system? I nowhere had to specify the launchpad URL of the PPA etc. ...
2974[21:43:30] <nebul8_> (but I'm really new to debian)
2975[21:43:49] <ralpheeee> but yeah i can understand your concern with the other models and principles / morals...
2976[21:44:02] <nebul8_> towo`: thx. that's way to difficult for me right now I guess, but I appreciate the anser.
2977[21:44:06] <nebul8_> *answer
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2982[21:45:33] <afmza> anyone
2983[21:45:34] <afmza> ?
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2989[21:48:31] <Texou> fman error displayed?
2990[21:48:43] <Texou> afmza: error displayed?
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2992[21:48:51] <duff> grub repair
2993[21:49:00] <afmza> Texou, nothing - just goes straight to bios
2994[21:49:15] <Texou> afmza: hmmm
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2996[21:49:18] <afmza> i litterally pull out the usb, put it back in...
2997[21:49:22] <duff> get a debian live usb
2998[21:49:26] <afmza> and it wont boot.
2999[21:49:28] <duff> and boot into it
3000[21:50:20] <afmza> it might be something to do with windows
3001[21:50:36] <duff> is it install on the same drive as Debina
3002[21:50:39] <afmza> because the UEFI partition now has a System Volume Information directory in it
3003[21:50:39] <duff> debian*
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3005[21:51:05] <afmza> no, but i plugged it into my windows pc to clone it
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3009[21:51:41] <duff> Did you run any windows updates
3010[21:51:49] <afmza> nope
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3012[21:52:08] <afmza> it was just for a few min, to clnone the USB
3013[21:52:15] <afmza> cos i spend a couple hours configuring debian
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3015[21:52:38] <duff> Did you clone debian to windows?
3016[21:52:50] <duff> or windows to debian
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3019[21:53:41] <afmza> i installed debian on the flash stick on another pc. configured it. pulled out the USB. plugged it into my windows PC, cloned it to another USB. plugged it back into the other pc and it booted fine.
3020[21:53:47] <afmza> ran it for 2 days.
3021[21:54:08] <afmza> now i pulled out the USB, and plugged it back in. and it wont boot
3022[21:54:32] <duff> So you're booting from a USB?
3023[21:54:36] <afmza> yes
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3026[21:55:30] <afmza> which worked fine for a while
3027[21:55:50] <afmza> maybe i must try repair the uefi parition
3028[21:55:53] <afmza> somehow
3029[21:55:54] <duff> must be something wrong with grub or the root partition
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3032[21:56:32] <tw> How far does it get? No boot device?
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3034[21:57:29] <afmza> it see's the flash stick... but wont boot from it
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3036[21:57:46] <afmza> if i manually select it in the bios, it just flashes (tried to boot from it) and fails.
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3038[21:58:35] <duff> did you make any bios changes recently
3039[21:59:10] <afmza> nothing
3040[21:59:43] <afmza> im going to try boot into ubuntu and delete the System Volume Information folder in the UEFI partition
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3071[22:18:36] <afmza> nope
3072[22:18:38] <afmza> :/
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3095[22:36:08] <logpost> hi
3096[22:36:29] <logpost> all
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3102[22:37:35] <logpost> is there a french channel (maybe /joindebianfr ?)
3103[22:37:55] <missmbob> !fr
3104[22:37:55] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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3148[23:14:35] <jhutchins> afmza: Maybe the USB image has degraded and is no longer bootable.
3149[23:15:05] <afmza> jhutchins, if i boot into ubuntu i can still see the file system is intact
3150[23:15:25] <afmza> i just gave up and reinstalled without UEFI
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3152[23:15:35] <afmza> UEFI is always trouble
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3154[23:16:02] <jhutchins> afmza: That doesn't mean it's bootable.
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3156[23:16:32] <afmza> jhutchins, the EFI partition was also fine with the .efi file in it under the debian directory
3157[23:16:49] <afmza> grubx64.efi
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3160[23:17:05] <afmza> how would the image degrade?
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3163[23:17:19] <afmza> i read something about UEFI and the PC's NVRAM
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3167[23:18:06] <Urchin[emacs]> just upgraded to stretch, what's kde's desktop manager now?
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