52[00:44:47] <karlpinc> Logg: I never know, but it's
always possible that xoff is intercepted and acted on by another
layer before it even gets to nano. Certainly if you've got a
physical modem it can grab characters right from under your feet.
;-)
56[00:45:58] <Logg> not using my physical modem today, just the
regular old terminal emulator. But yeah, I did not know about
changelog location, so that is actually very useful
57[00:46:51] <karlpinc> Logg: The "hidden gem" Debian
docs are in the readme.debian, found in the same place.
58[00:46:55] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
59[00:46:55] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a
document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains
any Debian specific details in the package's operation or
configuration.
60[00:47:55] <karlpinc> oxek: You also might be interested in
the above. ^^
81[00:57:34] <sney> tracker is a good single point of
information, easy to reference changelogs, d/control, project
homepage, available versions, upload dates, relevant bugs, etc all
on one page
88[01:00:43] <cmptr> I'm trying to install Debian Buster
on my Dell XPS 9300 but it isn't identifying my NVMe. I have
removed the one that came with the laptop and installed a Samsung
970 EVO Plus. I do have SecureBoot enabled and surprisingly I
wasn't given any troubles trying to boot off the usb. I also
chose to do the install with BUllsEye because I thought it would
have support for my Killer Adapter (Which it
89[01:00:45] <cmptr> doens't right off the bat). Is there
maybe a driver that I need to include for the Samsung 970 EVO Plus?
91[01:02:03] <karlpinc> cmptr: Do you think it needs non-free
firmware? (Did you install with the unoffical installer which
includes non-free firmware and installs same?)
92[01:02:24] <karlpinc> !firmware images
93[01:02:24] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
replaced-url
94[01:02:59] <karlpinc> cmptr: You can use a vt to check the
installer's console and maybe get into some logs. The installer
has at least 3 vts.
95[01:03:00] <karlpinc> !vt
96[01:03:00] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, vt is
Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right
or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and
Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt"
to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d
(virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or
Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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98[01:03:33] <karlpinc> cmptr: (You are having trouble during
the install, right?)
102[01:07:37] <cmptr> I actually did use the unnoficial
installed that inluded the non-free firmware hoping that it would
include the Killer adapter to of which it did not. I will try to see
some logs with VT whcih I have not done yet. It also asked me if I
wanted to force intall with UEFI which I chose no because I
didn't want to lose my Windows install. I will be afk for a
bit, but I do appriciate any help. Thank
103[01:07:39] <cmptr> you in advance. I will report when I am
back.
141[01:42:01] <sney> linux systems in general are pretty closed
off by default. it's not like windows where it's
constantly sticking its fingers into the rest of the network
142[01:42:04] <f8e4> how to review all available routes? every
protocol has ports and uses a network interface is that all ?
144[01:42:42] <sney> you can look at e.g. 'ss -l' to
see what's listening. but on a default buster install an
attacker would pretty much need local hardware access to get in
145[01:42:48] <f8e4> eg i can ping a debian machine by default
147[01:43:23] <f8e4> thats bad, it should be silent
148[01:43:30] <sney> ping is not a security hole
149[01:43:48] <f8e4> leaking info is bad
150[01:43:50] <sney> morons spreading that particular bit of
bullshit have caused more networking problems than I can count
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152[01:44:16] <sney> go read the ICMP standard and tell me what
"info" is "leaking"
153[01:44:51] <annadane> you do need specific practices if you
run, like, apache, wordpress, certain other applications to do with
servers, but if you're doing that you're probably going to
read up about the process anyway and understand the risks involved
155[01:45:17] <annadane> but just stock debian without specific
considerations, no you don't necessarily need to go around
setting up firewalls and closing off ports etc
169[01:48:14] <sney> that's a botnet. there are lots of
botnets that will try to ssh into your system. sshd defaults in
debian will protect you from those with no modification.
170[01:48:21] <sney> you can do more to reduce the network load.
but it's minimal anyway.
179[01:50:41] <f8e4> or bind eg postgres to allow only one
external
180[01:51:26] <sney> don't run sql over an open network if
you can help it. vpns or tunnels are nice if you need remote sql,
otherwise just bind it to localhost
181[01:51:47] <f8e4> sney i hvae to open to use remote dbcs to
connect to it
182[01:52:02] <f8e4> tunnels are unstable ssh -L or spiped ugh
183[01:52:58] <f8e4> will go read some stuff
184[01:53:11] <sney> postgres is pretty smart about login
control too. you can do all sorts of stuff to limit who even gets to
*try* to log in
185[01:53:38] <f8e4> yup listen_address if i had a static ip :D
186[01:53:52] <f8e4> currently = '*' everyone invited
187[01:54:11] <f8e4> put i think pg got their stuff figured.
188[01:54:35] <sney> more than listen_address. pg_hba.conf gives
you lots of control
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270[02:43:45] <annadane> is it just that you can't boot?
because the backport kernel is 5.5 i think
271[02:43:51] <sponix> annadane: I've not seen complaints
in the ##hardware channel. Lots of folks in there with Ryzen chips
running Linux, and working fine
310[03:21:25] <cmptr> I didn't have an issue booting off my
usb in uefi mode on my laptop with secure boot enabled, but do you
think that could have been what caused the NVMe to not be seen?
324[03:30:40] <cmptr> I know I had some issues with it being
enabled on my other laptop when trying to install nvidia drivers.
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326[03:31:20] <sponix> cmptr: well, the "secure"
portion is flawed making it worthless is the main one. And it can
hinder things like nvidia drivers from loading with Linux (and other
kernel modules like virtualbox) being a pretty good 2nd
327[03:31:28] <sney> Secure boot is sometimes pointless,
depending on the environment.
replaced-url
328[03:31:51] <sponix> just another MS failed attempt at
security IMHO
329[03:32:20] <cmptr> I agree with you on that with it being MS
failed attempt.
330[03:33:10] <cmptr> Do you think disabling it will help with
the drive showing up?
332[03:33:54] <sponix> cmptr: I find it unlikely. But turning it
off won't hurt for sure
333[03:34:07] <cmptr> And if I choose the option to force UEFI
installation, will it mess with my Windows Installation?
334[03:34:33] <sponix> cmptr: see what "modes" are
available for that nvme slot. If it is on Raid or something turn it
to native nvme, sata, or ahci -- anything but raid (in that order)
336[03:35:25] <sponix> cmptr: If Windows is installed EFI, you
will be fine with both doing EFI. If one is Legacy, and the other
EFI though -- you could have issues with both OS's even listing
in the grub boot menu
337[03:35:28] *** Quits: Brigo (~Brigo@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
339[03:36:03] <sponix> with a machine new enough to have nvme
though, I'd say you most likely need to be booting/installing
both of them in EFI mode
340[03:36:11] <cmptr> sponix: I'm not sure if it is on RAID
or not, but if it is and I change it, it will for sure mess up the
windows installation. I also don't have legacy enabled. All is
UEFI.
341[03:37:12] <cmptr> When you say "EFI mode", you
mean lagacy, correct?
343[03:37:40] <sponix> cmptr: if you toggle it and do the Linux
Install. Grub if placed in the EFI fat32 partition (probably already
made by the Windows install) -- can likely still boot both just fine
347[03:38:29] <sponix> and CSM is some compatibility mode that
kinda bridges the gap
348[03:38:56] <sponix> sney: step in if I'm wrong on any of
that. I am very OLD, and the EFI stuff is still kinda new to me lol
349[03:39:41] <cmptr> Okay. I have CSM disabled. I know with
UEFI you sometimes need to install keys as I did with my previous
laptop to boot in that mode, but witht his laptop, I seem to not
have any issues with that which I am glad of.
350[03:40:01] *** Quits: leorat (~leorat@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
351[03:40:53] <trek00> cmptr: which motherboard model do you
have?
357[03:42:52] *** Quits: leorat (~leorat@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
358[03:43:18] <cmptr> trek00: I'm not sure of the
motherboard of the laptop, the cpu is i7 1065G7, so it does use the
new Intel Iris Plus graphics. I have the dell XPS 13 9300 with 16GB
of 3733MHz DDR4 with the 512GB NVMe which I switched out for a
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB
359[03:44:37] <cmptr> Oh and it is the one with the UHD display.
360[03:44:48] <trek00> cmptr: sorry i thought you had issues
with nvme but i just read more on the chatlog :)
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364[03:45:45] <cmptr> I was a bit confused when you asked about
the mobo because I was like "This is a laptop, not a
desktop" :pp
365[03:46:27] <sney> sponix: confirmed, you wouldn't see
legacy bios and nvme in the same system
366[03:47:32] <cmptr> Also, being that it is a new laptop with
new hardware, I don't know if I should use Buster or Bullseye.
I know that with using testing in the past I ran into some package
problems with KDE, gcc and other compiler/programming packages being
installed.
367[03:48:13] <sney> testing is a moving target. sometimes
it's fine for normal use, sometimes it isn't.
369[03:48:25] <cmptr> Should I just use Buster and grabs the
drivers for my laptop separatly? Enable backports? BUild my own
kernel?
370[03:48:49] <sney> I would try to use buster at first, with
backports as necessary, and move up to bullseye if necessary
371[03:48:55] <trek00> cmptr: usually i suggest stable with
backported kernel, but to know you really need to try (may be
running debian live stable to see if it's ok)
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419[04:31:37] <somiaj> Arnold_X-P: if you are courious if that
is a standard convention, some times you can find that info in
/etc/services, though I'm not seeing eggdrop mentioned there,
maybe go read eggdrops docs as to default port
420[04:33:06] <Arnold_X-P> default port eggdrop 3333 or 4444
450[04:49:35] <greenbagels> if "apt update" tells me
that 1622 packages are ready to update, and apt.systemd.daily has
been running for the past like, 3 hours, is it safe to assume that
it's been trying to update all these packages?
451[04:51:52] <dvs> greenbagels, or it's waiting for a
prompt to be answered.
452[04:52:04] <greenbagels> dvs: a prompt that will never be
answered...?
453[04:52:18] <greenbagels> there's no network traffic so
maybe you're right...
481[05:20:39] *** Quits: forgotmynick (uid24625@replaced-ip) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
482[05:20:46] <sney> R0b0t1: that question is probably best put
to the hardware vendor. but broadly, you can figure out a lot of
driver stuff by grepping your kernel's config file in /boot
496[05:24:30] <sney> you'd want to figure out the name of
the driver by looking at config and any other info you have about
the hardware, then look at modinfo to figure out if it takes any
parameters there, maybe look at the driver source if the options are
really obscure, then look in /proc and /sys to see what interfaces
there are or maybe it manifests as a character node in /dev
497[05:25:06] <sney> "device tree" might refer to /dev
but it's very rare that any configuration is done in /dev.
510[05:29:25] <sney> also if you got an i2c node in /dev, it
sounds like the kernel figured out what driver to use, so you can
also grep the output of dmesg to find out what driver it is
568[05:51:15] <somiaj> there is ##linux for those who want
general linux support
569[05:51:56] <BazookaToof> i mean technically you
shouldn't be asking for support here either but that's
besides the point
570[05:52:05] <somiaj> Use the support community for the correct
distro is also a sign of respect for the community (lying to get
support does show off character)
571[05:52:11] <R0b0t1> true, I appreciate being put up with
572[05:52:26] <R0b0t1> well yes but I am going to point out I
got further with the advice I received here than anywhere else
573[05:52:31] <R0b0t1> if people are talking about debian I let
off
574[05:52:35] <R0b0t1> :)
575[05:53:06] <somiaj> well we are a good community, but you
should really bring debian questions here, to respect our volunteers
576[05:53:10] <cmptr> Okay, so I have just installed Debian
Buster (Without setting up the network because my Wi-Fi card
isn't in the bundled installer kernel). I have backports
enabled. Right now I am on Windows. What do I need to download to
install the driver for my Wi-Fi card? I'm guessing first the
backported kernel image and headers, then install it with `sudo
apt-get -fV install <Path to package>
577[05:53:11] <cmptr> --no-install-recommends`?
578[05:53:33] <somiaj> cmptr: are you positive you need a
backport kernel and not just firmware?
579[05:54:10] <BazookaToof> R0b0t1: yeah but depending on how
the channel feels at the time.. "debian-based" usually
just means go elsewhere. arch is just way more harsh about it
580[05:54:20] <somiaj> cmptr: assume you really need the
backport kernel, you need a) the backport kernel package, b) the
linux-common package that goes with it, and c) the firmware for your
wifi device package.
581[05:54:32] <somiaj> cmptr: if you don't need the
backport kernel, you can get away with just the firmware package
from buster.
582[05:55:50] <cmptr> Let me double check if 4.19 has support
for Killer ax1650
583[05:55:51] <somiaj> R0b0t1: it is a combination of techenical
reasons (what works in debian doesn't always work in
derivatives, and us spending hours figuring out why something that
should work doesn't, only to find out you are running debian is
frustrating) and social reasons, we are volunteers and you should
respect our choice to support debian. If we wanted to support other
distros we would be in that channel (man are in
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585[05:55:57] <somiaj> multiple places)
586[05:55:59] <BazookaToof> R0b0t1: i just mention the alarm
channel because the devs (think there are just 2) may not mind
someone asking where to look, not how to fix your problem
587[05:56:27] <somiaj> R0b0t1: arg, 'you aren't
running debian'... had a typo
588[05:56:56] <trek00> R0b0t1: have you tried to set cpufreq via
sysfs?
589[05:57:11] <R0b0t1> somiaj: yeah I understand most of the
reasons
590[05:57:14] <BazookaToof> somiaj: yeah that's why arch is
pretty hostile about people being not being clear on what they are
using
591[05:57:19] <R0b0t1> trek00: ok that is actually hilarious and
would work, but I think I can just slow it down
592[05:57:42] <somiaj> BazookaToof: we try not to be as hositl,
but we also try to point people to correct support channels and not
continue to offer support.
593[05:57:43] <cmptr> I'm reading that the driver for the
Killer AX1650 is included in 5.1+. Does anyone want to verify that
for me?
594[05:57:57] <BazookaToof> yup i know :)
595[05:58:12] <somiaj> cmptr: I would go with that, and download
all three. Did you use the offical or unoffical firmware installer?
596[05:58:35] <cmptr> I used the official Buster net installer.
597[05:58:40] <somiaj> cmptr: sometimes support is eariler as a
staging driver, but if you see 5.1, I would use that.
598[05:59:13] <R0b0t1> somiaj: fwiw I'm pretty close to the
solution now, deal with a lot of arm or hardware specific channels
is there's only one or two people typically that know what is
going on
599[05:59:17] <somiaj> cmptr: well you could try just the
firmware if you really wanted, there is a very quick test, once you
boot into the system run 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' if you
see messages about failed to load firmware from the wifi
driver/module, you have support but not firmware
600[05:59:20] <R0b0t1> I mostly wanted to make sure there
wasn't something obvious I missed
601[05:59:43] <somiaj> cmptr: if you don't see any messages
about failing to load firmware for the wifi driver/mdoule, you
don't have support. Here I would assume you don't and get
the backport kernel, linux-common, and firmware.
602[06:00:33] <somiaj> R0b0t1: ##linux can be helpful to for
genera linux style support
608[06:01:42] <R0b0t1> yeah I needed to know about dietpi anyway
609[06:01:57] <R0b0t1> nice
610[06:02:10] <cmptr> When trying to detect my network hardware
with the buster installer, it didn't list what drivers I
needed, but using the testing installer, it did show what drivers I
needed. I don't know if that says anything or not.
613[06:03:57] <trek00> cmptr: testing have newer kernel, you
need kernel 5.1 at least, so use the one from backports
614[06:04:02] <somiaj> cmptr: as I said, I would belive the 5.1,
and go with the backport kernel/firmware, I was just double checking
that it was a kernel version and not just firmware.
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633[06:16:56] <cmptr> What about the firmware-nonfree package?
Or can I just download the firmware-iwlwifi package and that will
suffice?
634[06:17:41] <trek00> cmptr: it should suffice for your
wireless card
635[06:19:00] <cmptr> trek00: somiaj had mentioned that I would
need the linux-common package that goes with the backported kernel.
WIll this still be needed?
673[06:40:37] <somiaj> strk: it might be lsb_release is still
seeing something from debian 8 confusing it, for some reason I thikn
parts of lsb toosl were removed in debian 8, so that coudl explain
it.
1056[12:36:04] <dey_t00k_my_nick> 404 Not Found [IP:
151.101.16.204 80]
1057[12:37:14] <dey_t00k_my_nick> I think it has something to do
with me trying to install steam the other day, and adding the i386,
but not sure. either way, mesa does not wanting to install.
1059[12:37:36] <BazookaToof> just going to point you to the cve
library related to zoom but hopefully someone else is awake
1060[12:38:59] <dey_t00k_my_nick> Yeah well, i hate this
application, it's the worse video conferencing application i
ever used, and I used skype... but 'tis what we do now.
1170[14:34:18] <abrotman> a lot of this may depend on desired
features. I basically need it to scan a directory/sub-directories ..
and just shuffle
1171[14:34:34] <bt40> great thanks guys
1172[14:34:46] <bt40> one more question as a newbie
1173[14:35:19] <bt40> can we install software from ubuntu
repositories of cource by manually adding them in sources.list or
manually adding ppa?
1174[14:36:10] <cybercrypto> bt40: Yes, you can do that. And you
are responsible for testing and for any issues you find (in case of
some)
1175[14:36:40] <dvs> ???
1176[14:37:13] <bt40> thanks cubercrypto
1177[14:37:27] <dvs> !frankendebian
1178[14:37:27] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
1179[14:37:37] <cybercrypto> bt40: Believe me, you dont need to
use ubuntu repositories in debian. (you can if you want)
1225[14:55:34] <greycat> I would imagine Wayland in testing works
basically the same as Wayland in stable. However that works. Because
I really do not know. It's not explained anywhere I've
ever found.
1268[15:41:25] <cybercrypto> mzajc: You could use pastebin to
avoid flood in the channel. I am reading your message above,
unfortunatelly I do not have much experience with radeon cards.
1288[15:45:59] <greycat> or from one kernel's subdirectory
to another, without rebuilding
1289[15:46:03] <mzajc> nope, I don't remember doing that
1290[15:46:26] <mzajc> I did copy some missing firmware from the
firmware git tree into /lib/firmware, but that it
1291[15:46:37] <mzajc> actually, I think that wasn't even on
this system
1292[15:46:45] <greycat> or... hmm, actually these aren't
*kernel* modules at all... they're not *.ko files, they're
*.so files
1293[15:46:52] <mzajc> indeed
1294[15:47:27] <otis> hi, is there anybody who uses oh-my-zsh ?
1295[15:47:54] <greycat> !anyone
1296[15:47:54] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1297[15:48:28] <otis> the dedicated channel has only bots!
1298[15:48:43] <BazookaTooth> #zsh?
1299[15:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1301
1300[15:49:05] <greycat> maybe everyone except the bots is
waiting for you to ask your real question
1305[15:49:40] <BazookaTooth> see greycat's comment
1306[15:49:57] <mzajc> greycat: I did use this script to install
opencl support, though. could it have caused the issue?
replaced-url
1307[15:51:05] <greycat> "I ran a random script from
shithub" counts as "doing something sketchy by hand".
I don't know enough to actually *read* it and tell you how
broken it is, but it's on shithub, so I'm just going to
guess "yes".
1308[15:51:27] <cybercrypto> otis: How can I answer something if
there is no question? :-) greycat is trying to help, please ask your
question, describe your issue and what your trying to achieve and,
hopefully someone will give you some advice.
1309[15:51:28] <nyuszika7h> is there a way to stop smartd from
emailing me every day about an unchanged Current Pending Sector
Count?
1310[15:51:36] <nyuszika7h> I do want to get notified if it
changes
1311[15:51:43] <mzajc> I assume not since I have checked it
before blindly running
1312[15:51:55] <mzajc> and it only ever does stuff in the /opt
directory
1329[16:03:02] <Akuw> the less the offset is in nt the better ?
1330[16:03:55] <Akuw> using "ntpq -p" for offset i got
-3180 and another has -40.425
1331[16:04:10] <Akuw> the first has a diference of 5 minutes
1332[16:05:09] <otis> im a newbie in git
1333[16:06:03] <otis> but your address lists the complete list of
plugins available
1334[16:06:09] <cybercrypto> Akuw: Yes. offset displays
difference after conplex math for network latency/RRT etc.. querying
external ntp servers. 5 minutes = not good. (have you just started
your server or?
1335[16:07:38] <otis> i believe the git is ok. how can i test?
1336[16:08:06] <cybercrypto> otis: I may be wrong, but if you
check their git project, they do not provide .git for cloning just
pluggins. You may ask directly there if you really want just
'colored-man-pages'. I am afraid I cannot give you a
better answer now.
1340[16:10:39] <cybercrypto> Akuw: drift file can be used for
'slicing time difference' slowly so the systems do not get
impacted (in case you cannot stop service). If you can stop NTP
service for a momment, tou can force time adjustment using ntpdate
-u pool.ntp.org; after that you start your ntp server again.
1341[16:11:13] <Akuw> ok
1342[16:11:32] <Akuw> i am checking but the time showed by
"date" is same in both
1343[16:11:39] <Akuw> the problem is in java app
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1351[16:17:11] <cybercrypto> Akuw: is the system time difference
conpared to java time = equals the GMT=0 and your timezone?
1352[16:17:56] <cybercrypto> Akuw: if so, my guess is that java
is not using timezone correctly. if not :-) I am clueless about
it... dont know about your app.
1353[16:18:24] <Akuw> but the same app is runnng in 3 diferent
places
1354[16:18:36] <Akuw> the only diference is NTP server used
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1356[16:21:49] <cybercrypto> Akuw: ntp server and java app runs
on the same debian server?
1357[16:22:10] <Akuw> no
1358[16:23:15] <greycat> if there's a question about
accuracy of one's clock, it should be diagnosed with standard
command line tools first, before touching the horror show known as
Java
1409[16:53:14] <petn-randall> Akuw: The device should be
reachable via /dev/sr0.
1410[16:53:33] <Akuw> ok
1411[16:53:36] <Akuw> let me check
1412[16:53:54] <petn-randall> Akuw: So I assume your DE will
allow you to mount any disks in it, and any burner will allow you to
use it to burn disks (if the device supports it).
1413[16:54:10] <Akuw> let me try, i will let you know
1434[17:03:49] <Akuw> petn-randall: trying to mount --->
mount: /media/cdrom0: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
/dev/sr0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
1438[17:06:23] <cybercrypto> Akuw: what was the mount command you
used? What filesystem you choosed when you wrote data into the media
you trying to mount using the external CD-ROM?
1441[17:08:39] <cybercrypto> Akuw: ISO9660 is the most common
used... (jouliet extension)
1442[17:08:57] <Akuw> yes
1443[17:09:02] <trek00> Akuw: is the cd media valid? can you read
it from another cdrom? and is che cd drive powered? attached to an
usb 3 port or with AC adapter?
1444[17:09:24] <Akuw> is powerred by USB
1445[17:09:36] <trek00> Akuw: via an usb 3 port?
1446[17:09:42] <Akuw> i use 2 diferent CDs
1447[17:09:42] <petn-randall> Akuw: I'm assuming the disk is
unreadable.
1448[17:09:43] <greycat> Joliet and Rock Ridge are the common
extensions to ISO 9660 to support filenames that are not EIGHT.THR;1
1449[17:10:01] <petn-randall> Akuw: Or the optical sensor is
defect.
1450[17:10:07] <Akuw> hummm
1451[17:10:10] <Akuw> could be
1452[17:10:13] <Akuw> i have to check
1453[17:10:14] <Akuw> wait
1454[17:10:26] <petn-randall> Akuw: I've only ever got those
errors when backing up scratched disks.
1500[17:26:53] <BazookaTooth> trek00: i have not seen an external
writer need a y cable for power in over a decade. and if it needed
one, it would have been included
1529[17:33:56] <petn-randall> trek00: They're *all* powered.
You're working from wrong assumptions.
1530[17:33:57] <BazookaTooth> right
1531[17:34:28] <trek00> i assume the windows-pc is not that T420
laptop with linux
1532[17:34:36] <greycat> A USB port with the lightning symbol is
powered even when the computer is turned off. That's all.
1533[17:34:37] <Akuw> i did test all usb ports but got same
results
1534[17:35:01] <Akuw> windows pc is using widnows
1535[17:35:06] <Akuw> *windows
1536[17:35:16] <BazookaTooth> Akuw: did you use powered usb hub
on the windows machine?
1537[17:35:25] <trek00> Akuw: windows it's not on the T420,
rigth?
1538[17:35:27] <Akuw> yes
1539[17:35:32] <petn-randall> trek00: Only difference between
usb2 and 3 in that regard is that 3 allows higher power draw. But if
the drive needs usb3-level power draw and the port can't give
it, that would be logged in the kernel.
1540[17:35:35] <Akuw> trek00: no
1541[17:35:39] <Akuw> is another model
1542[17:35:45] <trek00> good
1543[17:36:31] <trek00> petn-randall: i don't see any error
messages on the devices i own if i put them on an usb2 port
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1553[17:41:25] <cybercrypto> Akuw: by any chance, dont you have
any way to power source your usb-cd-rom-external using any spare
adaptor or hub you may have around?
1565[17:46:03] <cybercrypto> Akuw: I have a bad (but quite good)
idea :-) Boot a live debian image using your windows-pc-hardware and
plug it, and see if it mounts ok. PC-USB hardware variable will be
eliminated in this test.
1566[17:46:10] <cybercrypto> Akuw: just saying... :-)
1567[17:46:48] <Akuw> hummmm
1568[17:46:52] <Akuw> well
1569[17:47:01] <Akuw> i have to prepare a USB Stick
1570[17:47:31] <dvs> Akuw, cybercrypto means a live CD on a CD
1577[17:51:03] <cybercrypto> Akuw: no. I meant a live USB to boot
windows-hardware and get debian live running. After that, he can
plug cd-rom-usb into widowns-pc-hardware-running-debian-live and
check how it goes.
1579[17:51:37] <Akuw> ok, the only thing i can do is boot from
USB live
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1581[17:51:52] <Akuw> i have no internal CDROM
1582[17:52:54] <cybercrypto> my suggestion has a single purpose:
test if debian generic kernel will mount your cd-rom using the
PC-hardware that you already know that works with windows
1584[17:53:39] <cybercrypto> Akuw: if that pass ok, you can check
modules loaded and compare. if they are the same, you are most
probably facing a usb-power problem.
1593[17:56:23] <cybercrypto> Akuw: a much simpler verification is
to power-source you USB-CDROM (using a borrowed hub adaptor) before
you plug it in your thinkpad, and test again.
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1602[18:01:59] <cybercrypto> Akuw: good luck, cya!
1603[18:02:28] <BazookaTooth> pretty typical for a usb writer...
doesn't come with a y cable and i'm pretty sure the label
says 5v @ 1.6amps
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1609[18:11:08] <Arcaik> Hi there, I’m running on Debian Sid
and I can’t use Jitsi anymore since Firefox was upgraded to
76.0. Basically users with Firefox 76 on Debian Sid can’t see
or hear (and can’t be seen or heard by) other people in the
room (I tested on 3 different laptops). Is there anything I may have
missed with the Firefox 76 upgrade? Should I report a bug on the
Debian bug tracker?
1614[18:15:23] <annadane> Arcaik, possibly report a bug if there
isn't one filed already, and/or to troubleshoot your issue ask
on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
1615[18:15:58] <netcrash> Hello, "@hourly gapps
/opt/script.sh " I'm using this entry on a cron.d/script
file , is this correct? It's not getting executed.
1616[18:16:08] <trek00> Akuw: anyway if you read the specs, it
says: "5 VDC < 800 mA Read (typical at O.D.)"
1617[18:16:37] <Akuw> that means ?
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1621[18:17:55] <trek00> Akuw: that you need a powered usb hub or
an ac adapter to connect it to your T420 (if you already tried to
connect the drive to all the usb ports)
1622[18:18:14] <BazookaTooth> tldr; trek00 is right. your
laptop's usb bus is too anemic power it :D
1623[18:18:21] <Akuw> jejeej
1624[18:18:30] <Akuw> yes, just now i read the specs
1625[18:18:42] <Akuw> please, dont talk bad about my baby
1656[18:29:53] <somiaj> broseph: you can grab it from buster
backports. Teh only reason it didn't make it into buster was
the matainers didn't have time to udate it to the current
version to fix some rc bugs during the release, but it is still free
and works just fine.
1694[19:03:02] <andhoy> hi guys, trying to install debian on a HP
proliant G7. I have put the firmware on a usb stick with fat32. Load
missing firmware does nothing, so mounted the fat filesystem. And
now, how to make installer make use of the fw files?
1695[19:03:21] <greycat> !firmare images
1696[19:03:26] <greycat> !firmware images
1697[19:03:27] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
replaced-url
1698[19:03:52] <andhoy> Seriously, I'm using this one. Just
downloaded it.
1699[19:04:23] <greycat> but you're claiming that you need
even MORE firmware that's not included on it?
1789[20:11:34] <joepublic> cp is a cryptic two-letter unixy
hacker command for sure. The Power!(tm)
1790[20:12:49] <ircuser65> Hey, I want to install a control panel
for hosting administration, ispconfig is my first election, can
anyone recommend me another? I just exploring options
1851[20:55:18] <flok> hi is this the right channel for packaging
support? I've packaged a library and an application and would
like to submit them to debian. I've sent e-mails for RFP
1885[21:17:04] <saptech> I recently got an Epson WF-3720 AIO
printer. I have the printer & scanner working, but I can't
get it to scan using the Document Feeder. Does anyone have idea why
or how to get it to work? Running Buster
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1887[21:18:08] <sney> does the ADF work in general? can you copy
with it using the printer control panel?
1888[21:18:28] <saptech> yes I can copy and it scans using the
flatbed
1900[21:23:15] <saptech> sney, when I choose scan, computer, a
message appears saying install Epson Event Manager software to use
this feature. I haven't seen that and believe it may be a
Windows program
1909[21:26:02] <Morg0th> Hey there, if I want to have more
up-to-date packages (compared to the last versions that I can find
on github and such), is it a good idea to switch to Debian Testing
(from Buster)? Or should I rather manually build and install the
packages I want to be up-to-date?
1910[21:26:40] <saptech> karlpinc, sney, here are the drivers
page
replaced-url
1912[21:27:43] <sney> Morg0th: testing is a moving target.
sometimes it's fine for desktop usage and sometimes it
isn't. if you're comfortable tinkering with stuff yourself
and reporting bugs you find, sure, upgrade. otherwise, use
buster-backports
1926[21:33:38] <sney> proprietary crap is so annoying.
"here's a package that works with your OS, but the
dependencies don't make any sense because we just cargo culted
the control file, good luck"
1927[21:33:53] <somiaj> Morg0th: sometimes the amount or what
newer software you need can be a factor. Often times it is easy
enough to build a few select newer peices of software on buster and
install in /usr/local, /opt, or $HOME
1928[21:34:14] <somiaj> Morg0th: though if the software
won't build, or you have to build tons of dependencies, then
maybe buster isn't that useful for your usecase
1932[21:38:31] <saptech> I'll just have to manually scan
documents if its more then a couple....grrr
1933[21:39:03] <saptech> my older Brother AIO used the ADF and it
was old enough to vote... :)
1934[21:39:55] <somiaj> saptech: does that printer have a built
in scanner/emailer, some of them you can configure to do the
scanning and just email the result vs control it from yoru computer
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1942[21:46:56] <somiaj> saptech: at my office, all of our
copiers/scanners, we just have on the network and then use its
internal functions to email the document, they can be configured to
send .jpg or .pdf of the full scan
1948[21:52:12] <saptech> hmmm, when I look at scan to email, it
show, "configure an email server to use". I should be able
to use gmail or my isp email server? Is this how to set it up?
1981[22:24:19] <broseph> So to install from backports, do I need
to add a repo? Or can I just download it and install?
1982[22:25:07] <sney> !buster-backports
1983[22:25:07] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian
11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in
the buster-backports repository. See
replaced-url
2000[22:36:36] <somiaj> broseph: also depends on the software,
not all software is in backports (I missed what software you wanted
a newer version off)
2026[22:56:57] <fly_agaric> I don't want to get unwanted
software on my smartphone like the super cool corona app you know
2027[22:57:17] <loeken> burn your phone then
2028[22:57:48] <fly_agaric> yes i ll do that eventually with my
samsung galaxy phone
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2030[22:58:28] <jhutchins> saptech: Have you tried xsane?
2031[22:59:45] <saptech> jhutchins, using the flatbed, it will
scan using xsane & simple-scan, nothing happens using the ADF.
It scans an empty page but does not pull the document through to the
scanner
2032[23:01:01] <saptech> the printer is connected using usb port
2033[23:01:12] <fly_agaric> i need basically a phone where I can
safely disable everything which could track me like mobile internet
and gsm so that the "phone" is basically a small client
which does only connect via wifi
2041[23:03:34] <fly_agaric> my phone should behave like a good
old fatclient
2042[23:03:54] <jhutchins> vvor: It depends on which tool you
use. If you're actually concerned about alignment, format the
target and do a file copy (rsync) instead of an image.
2049[23:05:56] <trek00> fly_agaric: may be you could search on
the supported hardware list of LineageOS
2050[23:07:40] <nvz> fly_agaric: well you may want to come up
with better reasoning, or be less concerned cause considering the
fact the baseband in thse things is all black box crap you
can't hardly trust it to turn anything off
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2056[23:09:15] <fly_agaric> i really don't like android
better a phone with real debian on it.
2057[23:09:49] <nvz> personally I think there is a conspiracy at
work.. cause there are 3 companies I know of that all have working
open phones.. yet none of them are for sale cause the everyone that
tries it gets hung up on passing govt regulations
2058[23:10:29] <nvz> and I dont like android either really but
debian doesnt really have the kinds of UI and apps to do most things
you'd wanna do on a phone
2059[23:10:51] <fly_agaric> I only want to browse the web and sip
telephony
2060[23:10:52] <ahmed1hsn> Debian wiki is giving 403 forbidden
error on my phone.
2061[23:11:00] <fly_agaric> no other apps
2062[23:11:06] <jhutchins> Emptional reactions to hardware and
software are irrational.
2063[23:11:14] <trek00> vvor: probably not, you should check via
fdisk on the hdd to see if it is already aligned for ssd or not
2069[23:14:09] <fly_agaric> jhutchins: does not have anything to
do with emotional reactions i know that android is doing shit all
around the world
2070[23:14:14] <BazookaTooth> fly_agaric: not gonna happen. only
thing even remotely close is probably a small tablet with a stripped
down netrunner installation
2072[23:15:13] <nvz> if your concerns are due to folk talking
about tracking recently.. thats not new, and its only possible
because the devices can be activated remotely.. and its not a
software thing..
2073[23:15:26] <ahmed1hsn> I can't access Debian wiki due to
403 forbidden error, any solutions?
2074[23:15:41] <nvz> the phone company, emergency services, etc
can turn your radios back on mremotely..
2075[23:15:44] <trek00> ahmed1hsn: which page?
2076[23:16:04] <nvz> because the PHONE part of it has baked in
proprietary technology
2077[23:16:15] <ahmed1hsn> trek00: none of them, I tried many
2078[23:16:33] <trek00> ahmed1hsn: i can surf it without issues
2079[23:16:39] <nvz> so basically what you're saying is you
dont want the PHONE at all.. you just want an ipod touch kinda
thing.. that has no baseband to begin with
2080[23:17:03] <vvor> trek00: jhutchins: Thanks, I'm aware
of dd, rsync, cp options. And my question stands... :)
2081[23:17:14] <fly_agaric> well if its a blockbox why can't
i take out the blackbox part of the phone?
2082[23:17:28] <fly_agaric> i mean not with software but with
hardware
2083[23:17:43] <fly_agaric> then nothing can be remotely
activated
2084[23:18:08] <ahmed1hsn> trekk00: maybe my ip is optionally
blocked
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2087[23:19:27] <nvz> fly_agaric: well I'm sure you can.. get
a heat gun a guitar string.. after you seperate the glue binding
your digitizer to your lcd, and get that all apart without breaking
anything, then get out your surface mount soldering kit.. and look
for the QFP that is the baseband processor... heh
2088[23:19:45] <greycat> !wiki403
2089[23:19:45] <dpkg> If your IP address is blocked from the
Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See
also <replaced-url
2090[23:19:55] <nvz> and really these days the baseband is
probably embedded in an SoC
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2103[23:25:18] <loeken> ahmed1hsn try if you can find the page
you're looking for on web.archive.org
2104[23:25:27] *** Lord_of_Life_ is now known as Lord_of_Life
2105[23:26:36] <ahmed1hsn> I downloaded .iso image of DVD1 few
hours ago, before downloading everything was fine, and wiki blocked
after it downloaded.
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2120[23:35:49] <nvz> that loads with and without vpn for me
2121[23:36:02] <greycat> !wiki403
2122[23:36:03] <dpkg> If your IP address is blocked from the
Debian wiki, please mail wiki@debian.org with your IP address. See
also <replaced-url
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2124[23:37:05] <sponix2ipfw> greycat: bit ironic that it links
them to the Debian wiki for more information lol
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2126[23:37:44] <greycat> There is no other place to send them.
Yes, I know that the people affected can't see the message that
tells them what to do. That's why I copied it into the bot
factoid.
2134[23:41:12] <jhutchins> ahmed1hsn: You could also cycle your
network device if you have a dynamic external IP.
2135[23:41:48] <greycat> It's not the browser.
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sweaty things.))
2137[23:41:51] <ahmed1hsn> Turns out the wifi device I'm
using is somehow blocked, tried from different phone connected to
same device, it's forbidden there as well
2140[23:42:13] <nvz> you can also use riseup-vpn its not in
debian but there is a deb package available and the archive keyring
for that package is in debian
2141[23:42:19] <jhutchins> ahmed1hsn: What about
replaced-url
2142[23:42:28] <greycat> *sigh*
2143[23:42:40] <ahmed1hsn> I downloaded .iso few hours ago, I
think that caused problem
2144[23:42:40] <greycat> Come one, I've triggered the god
damned factoid TWICE now.
2145[23:42:52] <greycat> The wiki does not know what you
downloaded.
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2147[23:43:05] <ahmed1hsn> greycat: thanks, I've seen it