• 0[00:00:00] <jem> Ok, so maybe I should try another terminal software
• 1[00:00:30] <jem> Anyway I wait for netx
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• 5[00:02:47] <netx> I'd try gnome-terminal without screen. It might be screen that's changing the ANSI sequences that F1-F4 send. I suspect that irssi might be expecting F1=^[11~ F2=^[12~ etc.
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• 7[00:03:27] <netx> At the end of the day, you might have to ask irssi mailing lists, etc., if there's some way you can configure it to recognize those ANSI sequences.
• 8[00:04:20] <netx> By those sequences, I mean F1=^[OP etc.
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• 10[00:05:16] <netx> As a data point, I launched rxvt and by default it used F1=^[11~ but when I then launched tmux inside of rxvt, it now gives F1=~[OP
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• 12[00:05:40] <shaka> dpkg yes the BeOS clone, not the Japanese poetry :-D it basically picks up where BeOS left off.. very nice!
• 13[00:05:40] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, shaka
• 14[00:06:23] <jem> Ok, netx, interesting, thanks
• 15[00:06:59] <jem> I'll have a look to my irssi config
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• 19[00:11:14] <jem> Well, the config just says " { key = "F1"; id = "change_window"; data = "1"; },
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• 22[00:13:43] <jem> In fact, I did the cat -v test from another tab in Gnome Terminal, outside screen
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• 24[00:14:42] <jem> So I don't think screen is to blame
• 25[00:15:32] <netx> Maybe get and try rxvt (without screen) with irssi to see if it does what you want.
• 26[00:15:47] <netx> And if that works, try with screen.
• 27[00:16:08] <jem> Yes, I'm doing more tests
• 28[00:16:23] <netx> Also, what is your TERM variable set to?
• 29[00:17:00] <netx> with and without screen running
• 30[00:17:27] <jem> "screen" inside screen
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• 32[00:18:08] <jem> And "xterm-256color" outside
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• 44[00:29:49] <netx> According to «infocmp xterm-256color» and «infocmp screen» F1 is supposed to produce ^[0P. According to «infocmp rxvt-unicode-256color» F1 is supposed to produce ^[11~.
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• 46[00:30:22] <netx> So I'd be interested in whether rxvt (without screen) works the way you're expecting in irssi.
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• 58[00:46:33] <kantlivelong> hi all, quick question. when packaging what is the appropriate way to change the systemd target?
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• 153[02:10:24] <jem> Sorry, netx, I had to move to other things, I'm checking now
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• 155[02:11:05] <jem> Oh, he's gone
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• 198[02:43:48] <jem> Ok, solved everything by adding the OP, OQ... bindings for F1 to F4 in irssi config
• 199[02:44:07] <jem> Just in case netx returns
• 200[02:45:04] <jem> I stay connected and will try to tell him
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• 232[03:35:47] <busternoob2> so i booted up a debian live image and the xrandr commands work nicely and am able to achieve the 1360x768. so apparently my netinstall has borked gpu driver configuration etc
• 233[03:36:30] <busternoob2> i was trying to snag the xorg conf in the live os but dont see it.
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• 237[03:37:08] <busternoob2> how can i save the configuration from the live boot?
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• 245[03:39:55] <jmcnaught> busternoob2: the default is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and X autoconfigures itself. Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf or files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ in the installed system?
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• 248[03:41:55] <busternoob2> yes
• 249[03:42:21] <jmcnaught> busternoob2: try moving it to a different directory
• 250[03:43:10] <busternoob2> so its geared to autodetect and config on the fly should not use config files
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• 252[03:44:09] <busternoob2> they should let me export the config of the live system to my installed
• 253[03:44:39] <jmcnaught> The "config" of the live system is no config, just default autoconfiguration.
• 254[03:44:48] <busternoob2> i dont want to reboot my perfectly working live desktop
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• 258[03:45:42] <busternoob2> i had to add the modeline to DVI-0 and output it using xrandr
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• 260[03:46:00] <hejux> busternoob2: i reboot everyday
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• 263[03:49:10] <sponix2ipfw> hejux: why ?
• 264[03:49:41] <busternoob2> sorry noob mistake meant to say xorg logs
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• 266[03:50:09] <hejux> sponix2ipfw: each day is a new day
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• 268[03:50:14] <cws> I don't reboot every day, but any time I update a package that requires a restart to complete the update, I do.
• 269[03:50:27] <cws> I don't let it just sit.
• 270[03:50:46] <hejux> yep, kernel, systemd, glibc, openssl etc.
• 271[03:51:31] <sponix2ipfw> interesting
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• 274[03:51:52] <sney> since any always-on services I need don't live on my main desktop anymore, I've been thinking about shutting down at night. for the silence, and maybe electricity savings. haven't gotten around to it but it might be in my future
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• 276[03:52:30] <sponix2ipfw> I'm 24/7 and normally reboot every other month or so
• 277[03:52:57] <sponix2ipfw> at least when my UPS is working and I don't get a forced reboot lol
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• 309[04:12:29] <JordiGH> Anyone bought a stinkpad recently? What do you recommend?
• 310[04:12:44] <JordiGH> (For running Debian stable on, of course)
• 311[04:13:08] <abff> I've got an x230 its quite nice
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• 314[04:13:41] <JordiGH> Is that recent? I want a modern one.
• 315[04:13:43] <sney> my T430 is also eminently reliable but that's not really "recently"
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• 317[04:13:59] <abff> Afaik no recent thinkpads are any good
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• 319[04:14:19] <JordiGH> I love the X1 carbon 5th gen.
• 320[04:14:24] <JordiGH> It's 4 years old now.
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• 323[04:15:08] <abff> I hated their keyboards
• 324[04:15:11] <sney> thinkpads are *usually* at least well-supported by mainline linux, so it installs and runs out of the box, but anything else is kind of variable. there's a regular in OFTC (note, right now you are on freenode) #debian-offtopic who has been dealing with some shenanigans with a brand new thinkpad for instance
• 325[04:15:47] <abff> but a 4 year old laptop sounds insanely recent to me
• 326[04:16:21] <abff> the youngest computers I use are from 2011
• 327[04:16:39] <dvs> O_O
• 328[04:17:50] <sney> my newest computer is from 2016, and it's also my worst, and I'm going to give it away to the first (local) sucker I can find when I pack up to move
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• 330[04:19:43] <rk4> JordiGH: got a T14, had a T470...maybe it was a T480, i forget
• 331[04:20:14] <rk4> they were both fine, the T14 intel doesn't run loonix as well as the T470 did, in hindsight i'd rather have kept that [but i changed jobs]
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• 335[04:23:46] <rk4> T14 has had one weird bug where the cpu refused to go above 800mhz [iirc], that sucked because then slack gets really bad and i couldnt work properly
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• 337[04:24:06] <rk4> managed to fix it by completely draining the battery which presumably reset some volatile state
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• 340[04:27:37] <derpadmin> rk4, you toyed with cpufreq-info and cpufreq-set ?
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• 342[04:28:14] <sney> there are a few people working on running modern debian on old thinkpads. afaik it's mostly feasible until you hit a ram limit.
• 343[04:28:33] <sney> if my T40 hadn't eventually fallen apart I'm sure I'd still use it for something
• 344[04:28:34] <rk4> yeah, i did, and even some undocumented intel crap [that worked for some], apparently it was a known problem that a cpu would downclock to avoid overheating but then get stuck there
• 345[04:29:05] <rk4> oh, i'm in #debian, thought i was in the thinkpad room
• 346[04:29:18] <rk4> debian stable is not happy on the T14, but it was fine on the T470 iirc
• 347[04:29:49] <sney> my T430 flawlessly runs bullseye with plasma, it'll be a while before that hits a wall
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• 373[05:17:07] <busternoob2> hey sney
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• 376[05:21:17] <busternoob2> where can i upload some logs for share here without pasteing 6-7 of them
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• 381[05:23:27] <busternoob2> i configured my 1360x768 in the debian live iso with xrandr commands just fine. xrandr is not working in my bad netinstall here.
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• 383[05:23:55] <busternoob2> the drivers are not configured correctly
• 384[05:26:08] <busternoob2> so what x -configure at a command shell?
• 385[05:27:24] <busternoob2> all the gpu neeeds cleaned and reinstalled reconfigd
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• 397[05:55:42] <alexrelis[m]> Anyone know how to get a process out of disk sleep? It's just that I had RetroArch open with the mgba core while my laptop was connected to the TV via HDMI. I unplugged the HDMI cable and when I opened the laptop lid, the game was frozen and my controller was not accepting any inputs. But for some reason, I still hear the game's audio for less than a second if I minimize/unminimize. I checked my system monitor and it
• 398[05:55:42] <alexrelis[m]> says that Retroarch is in disk sleep. I would like to get the process up and running again so I can make a save state and restart.
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• 405[06:07:57] <slowly_stuck> is a bridge interface supposed to answer arp requests like a normal interface?
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• 531[09:25:37] <busternube> replaced-url
• 532[09:25:54] <busternube> my logs vs the correctly working live iso logs
• 533[09:26:06] <busternube> this should explina no?
• 534[09:26:14] <busternube> explain*
• 535[09:27:01] <busternube> please dowbload analyse the files.
• 536[09:27:14] <busternube> i have no clue
• 537[09:28:04] <busternube> going to install from the unofficial tho since it has the nonfree already in there
• 538[09:29:33] <busternube> will another install over what i have already save some of my previous install ,? i dont know why i didnt get anything done except install the KVM virt proggies
• 539[09:29:47] <busternube> oother than bookmarks and notes over the past 4 days
• 540[09:30:25] <busternube> installed anew monitor didnt have anything to do with it.
• 541[09:30:32] <busternube> you people owe me 200
• 542[09:30:41] <busternube> pass the hate i'll take paypal
• 543[09:31:43] <busternube> pass the hat*
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• 545[09:32:10] <ratrace> owe you for what
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• 547[09:32:53] <busternube> the new monitor i bought thinking my hardware was unuseable
• 548[09:33:06] <busternube> cause you people wouldnt help me
• 549[09:33:08] <ratrace> also... output normal text logs. you can't expect people to: a) download anything, b) have or use 7z
• 550[09:33:18] <ratrace> busternube: that's okay, we'll refund you.
• 551[09:33:46] <ratrace> but first, tell us where to send you our invoice for support. my rates are 200€/hr, first hour payable at minimum and you've already begun support with me, so... pay up.
• 552[09:33:50] <busternube> i'm not pasteing 7-8 files
• 553[09:34:21] <ratrace> busternube: you should anyway paste only what's relevant. you don't expect people to sift through 200kb of _compressed_ text? srsly
• 554[09:34:34] <busternube> make a mouseclick plugin tha does it from a click
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• 556[09:35:14] <ratrace> look, if you want people to support you, make it easy on them.
• 557[09:35:28] <busternube> hope someon who knows where graphic drivers section is bothers to look at it.
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• 559[09:36:18] <ratrace> busternube: graphic driver issues are usually contained in very small log entries. gpu grepped dmesg/kernel buffer/kern.log, or Xorg.0.log which start a new file when xorg starts
• 560[09:36:48] <ratrace> since I don't see any scrollback with your actual issue, perhaps help me, and others that will wake up soon, by reiterating your problem.
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• 564[09:39:13] <busternube> wont switch modes or respond to xrander --newmode acts like only "default" device installed with to low rez modes working
• 565[09:39:29] <busternube> error msg with xrandr
• 566[09:39:32] <busternube> sec
• 567[09:39:34] <ratrace> will need a bit more info than that, the context is missing
• 568[09:41:28] <busternube> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
• 569[09:42:49] <busternube> not knowing what i;m doing i ery early downloaded the amdgpu-pro from oem site and installed probably what did it..also noob mistake installing behind an only KVM
• 570[09:43:43] <busternube> i no longer suspect thats my problem tho..the xrandr commands set up my custom rez nicely on the live iso session
• 571[09:44:06] <busternube> so the kvm would not have been issue like that
• 572[09:44:24] <busternube> just need the gpu to obey
• 573[09:44:44] <ratrace> busternube: so, context? that's a radeon gpu you have there and it won't "switch modes or respond to xrander" with default in-kernel drivers, OR amdgpu-pro drivers?
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• 575[09:44:58] <ratrace> do you have firmware installed?
• 576[09:45:01] <busternube> never did try to edit the xorg conf was afraid i would get locked out
• 577[09:45:22] <ratrace> firmware-amd-graphics I believe is the package
• 578[09:46:03] <busternube> oh yes radeon onboard cheepo cpu first then installed low end radeon card hoping would configure correctly
• 579[09:46:06] <ratrace> busternube: xorg.conf should not be needed at all, unless you want to override autoconfiugration or fix a problem. is that the case? what problem is xorg.conf trying to fix or override?
• 580[09:46:36] <busternube> did add nonfree sources and got some nonfree firmware
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• 582[09:46:54] <busternube> didnt so.. all then
• 583[09:46:59] <busternube> all good then
• 584[09:47:37] <ratrace> sorry, I don't follow. you did or did not install firmware-amd-graphics ?
• 585[09:47:40] <busternube> tried 40 times to make the vbetest do mode it doesnt support
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• 588[09:48:54] <busternube> i believe firmares from nonfree sources were installed added those to the sources list. guy called sney seemed to think it was all there went thru it with
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• 592[09:50:07] <busternube> oh and after i went thru another guide for installing all the differnt drivers manually but nothing much went as it was claimed to be uptodate
• 593[09:50:08] <ratrace> don't think.... confirm it's installed. dpkg -l firmware-amd-graphics . does it start with ii or something else?
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• 596[09:51:20] <ratrace> busternube: seems like you've tossed a lot of unnecessary variables into that huge melting pot..... so I'd recommend you to start from scratch, and solve issues one at a time
• 597[09:52:16] <ratrace> which means: no amdgpu-pro, no xorg.conf, amd-graphics firmware installed. reboot and if xorg is having issues, check the Xorg.0.log and dmesg for clues as first step.
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• 603[09:53:47] <busternube> i dont know the uninstall procedures
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• 605[09:54:56] <busternube> it would be easier to format and startagain but i hate surrendering to these things
• 606[09:55:35] <busternube> i want to run VM i need to rely on
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• 609[09:55:54] <busternube> reformatting is not learning from
• 610[09:56:42] <busternube> going to get stranded locked out by this os or the vms
• 611[09:57:21] <ratrace> wait .... is this a VM or baremetal machine?
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• 613[09:57:50] <ratrace> you said KVM ... I assumed you meant KeyboardVideoMouse, and not KernelVM
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• 620[10:03:48] <busternoob2> its not a vm
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• 622[10:04:11] <busternoob2> its a base install plans to host virts
• 623[10:04:29] <busternoob2> and it is connect to a kvm hardware switch
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• 626[10:05:16] <ratrace> mmmh
• 627[10:05:29] <busternoob2> but have never got to make or use the first VM due to debian is punishing me
• 628[10:05:47] <ratrace> more likely your amdgpu is punishing you, not debian :)
• 629[10:05:54] <busternoob2> so yes i installed the KVM and hypervisor stuff per a guide for that
• 630[10:06:10] <ratrace> so neway, you seem to have the fimrware package installed. thus... with no xorg.conf, what exactly happens when you boot up.
• 631[10:07:04] <ratrace> however, the amdgpu issue is totally orthogonal to the VMs, ... or did you intent to do pcipassthru or something?
• 632[10:07:53] <busternoob2> boots to the default 1024x768 or 1280 directly to the new monitor or my 15inch square monitor
• 633[10:08:08] <ratrace> is that the monitor's native resolution?
• 634[10:08:23] <ratrace> 15" 4:3 sounds like old enough it might be
• 635[10:08:54] <busternoob2> which the live iso also did but it responds to xrandr custom resolution
• 636[10:09:06] <ratrace> which live ISO precisely?
• 637[10:09:14] <busternoob2> its the max limit of the default driver its not using the right driver
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• 639[10:09:42] <ratrace> busternube: whether it is or isn't using the reight driver will be shown by dmesg module loading entries, and of course Xorg.0.log
• 640[10:09:57] <ratrace> /var/log/Xorg.0.log by default, unless you startx, then it's somehwere under ~/.local(
• 641[10:10:05] <busternoob2> wait that was in my grub testing thAT driver is the one limited
• 642[10:10:10] <ratrace> %s/l\(/l\//
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• 644[10:11:39] <busternoob2> get 2modes auto selected autoconfigs both are 4:3
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• 646[10:12:11] <busternoob2> hwinfo and xrandr do not identify a device name
• 647[10:12:21] <busternoob2> VGA1
• 648[10:12:23] <busternoob2> no
• 649[10:12:30] <busternoob2> DVI-0
• 650[10:12:33] <busternoob2> no
• 651[10:12:37] <busternoob2> "default"
• 652[10:12:53] <busternoob2> therfoirei connt speak to the device properly
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• 656[10:13:23] <busternoob2> xrandr commands need to work
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• 658[10:14:06] <busternoob2> connected to default
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• 660[10:16:24] <busternube> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
• 661[10:16:32] <busternube> this is my biggest problem
• 662[10:17:03] <busternube> it donesnt have the correct address either
• 663[10:17:06] <ratrace> you really need to start producing pastebins with relevant dmesg entries (pertaing to amdgpu module for example) and Xorg.0.log
• 664[10:17:38] <busternube> not sure what dmesg is but will endeavor
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• 666[10:17:56] <busternube> i ran squeeze for a month 5 years ago
• 667[10:18:02] <ratrace> busternube: post the entire dmesg right after boot for example, that's not too big
• 668[10:18:04] <busternube> my limited linux
• 669[10:18:17] <ratrace> and why you have two nicks at the same time here .........
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• 671[10:18:48] <busternube> oneis in the buster box the other in my win box was rebooting the debian alot yesterday
• 672[10:19:39] <busternube> at one opint my kvm switch was causing poroblem since deb isnt working as i need it
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• 678[10:24:11] <busternube> how can i just uninstall all gpu and tell debian to do new gpu addition like it did the first ime on installing the os
• 679[10:25:17] <busternube> cleaning the old setup out really well.
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• 681[10:25:28] <ratrace> not sure what you mean by "to do new gpu addition", but to "uninstall all gpu" may only relate to any amdgpu-pro or related packages you've installed manually
• 682[10:25:48] <ratrace> you can't uninstall in-kernel (and thus foss/libre) drivers and you don't have to
• 683[10:26:51] <busternoob2> also i needed share those logs from the buster box and url
• 684[10:26:57] <busternoob2> nm
• 685[10:27:26] <busternoob2> so net install built my kernel on install?
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• 687[10:32:59] <busternoob2> yes there are errors about ACPI at first lines of bootup AE is not found or something
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• 689[10:35:05] <ratrace> busternoob2: "net install" if you mean the "netinst iso", didn't build the kernel, it installed the regular (prebuilt) kernel package, linux-image-amd64
• 690[10:35:50] <busternoob2> there should be a profile export from the properly working live iso.
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• 692[10:37:04] <busternoob2> install was just not able to what it needed without the form in its path at that moment
• 693[10:37:14] <busternoob2> firm*ware
• 694[10:37:44] <ratrace> you can use the "firmware iso":
• 695[10:37:46] <ratrace> !firmware images
• 696[10:37:46] <dpkg> There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from replaced-url
• 697[10:37:57] <busternoob2> altho i t5hought i remember giving approval for nonfree somewhere in the install routine
• 698[10:39:00] <busternoob2> yes the unofficial +firm +xfce iso is the one i got up and customized right away
• 699[10:39:40] <busternoob2> those are its logs in the 7z file
• 700[10:40:08] <busternoob2> xrandr put it right into 1360x768 real sweet
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• 702[10:40:57] <busternoob2> official netinstall+xfce was original install
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• 704[10:42:04] <busternoob2> and i dont have dhcp enabled
• 705[10:42:09] <busternoob2> just though of that
• 706[10:42:36] <busternoob2> dint know if remember configuring the NIC
• 707[10:42:44] <busternoob2> dont*
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• 709[10:43:36] <busternoob2> is that in the logs the manual ip needed is it possible netinstall never talked to the net?
• 710[10:44:02] <busternoob2> no way
• 711[10:44:10] <busternoob2> it had to
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• 714[10:45:04] <busternoob2> original sources was misconfigured
• 715[10:45:19] <busternoob2> pointed to debian rahter than buster
• 716[10:46:05] <busternoob2> sney corrected me to change to buster ...um fork? whats the word i seek
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• 718[10:46:25] <busternoob2> buster repo
• 719[10:47:32] <busternoob2> i dont have a VGA-1 or a DVI-0
• 720[10:47:38] <busternoob2> i think i need those
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• 722[10:48:40] <ratrace> busternoob2: you really need to start producing pastebins...
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• 725[10:52:06] <busternoob2> will i have trouble formatting the encypted partition..shouldnt..it time to give up and start over.
• 726[10:52:25] <busternoob2> cost too many werds here
• 727[10:53:07] <busternoob2> from the unnoficial+nonfreefirms
• 728[10:53:18] <busternoob2> whole iso
• 729[10:53:38] <ratrace> busternoob2: you really need to start producing pastebins...
• 730[10:54:17] <busternoob2> of?
• 731[10:54:48] <ratrace> Xorg.0.log and dmesg
• 732[10:55:19] <busternoob2> u were serious about no zip files?
• 733[10:56:18] <busternoob2> they were in those archives
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• 742[11:05:22] <ratrace> busternoob2: absolutely 100% serious
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• 748[11:13:49] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 749[11:14:58] <jmcnaught> Line 48: "systemd-logind: logind integration requires -keeptty and -keeptty was not provided, disabling logind integration"… how are you starting X, and as what user?
• 750[11:16:15] <jmcnaught> Line 220: "[ 17.941] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory"… is this because of no systemd-logind integration? Or is this Xorg.0.log from a display manager like lightdm starting?
• 751[11:16:55] <jmcnaught> Line 308: "[ 18.503] (II) VESA(0): Monitor name: Smart Cable"… are you still trying with the KVM plugged in, or directly to a monitor?
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• 772[11:54:42] <tete_> hi, i tried to follow this guide: replaced-url
• 773[11:54:46] <tete_> anyone an idea what is wrong?
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• 775[11:55:30] <flrnd> tete_: replaced-url
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• 777[11:57:20] <tete_> thanks, that worked
• 778[11:57:24] <flrnd> :)
• 779[11:57:28] <tete_> maybe the tutorial should be updated
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• 781[11:57:38] <tete_> s/tutorial/guide
• 782[11:57:57] <flrnd> yep, some guides forget to mention important things like you have to specify the protocol
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• 788[12:05:55] <ratrace> !tutorials
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• 790[12:05:57] <dpkg> A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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• 792[12:07:06] <flrnd> official docs > everything else
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• 794[12:09:06] <flrnd> one of my favourite command line tools
• 795[12:09:07] <flrnd> cht.sh
• 796[12:09:09] <flrnd> replaced-url
• 797[12:09:27] <tete_> this was official doc and it was not a "tutorial", i just needed to enable iptables to allow updates on debian.org
• 798[12:10:13] <tete_> i am no iptables hacker and i dont know why it is required to have tcp set when i am only interested in the port
• 799[12:10:35] <tete_> i mean i dont care if its udp, tcp, whatever, as long as its on that http/s port and from debian.org
• 800[12:10:42] <flrnd> tete_: me either. I wasn't talking about you or your case, if you felt aluded or something
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• 802[12:11:09] <tete_> no its just because of that: "A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial..."
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• 804[12:12:58] <EdePopede> tutorial, guide, bloody semantics. there's step-by-step without really explaining things (STFU and do what you're told!) and there's builders where you don't have to read technical specs written by technicians for other technicians. which could be the way to go for people lacking proper specific education.
• 805[12:13:08] <flrnd> tete_: I'm reading the doc and indeed needs update
• 806[12:13:22] <flrnd> EdePopede: the problem here is that it's official debian docs
• 807[12:13:35] <EdePopede> i wouldn't expect a virologist or a member of a constitutional court to know how to set up a firewall :)
• 808[12:14:47] <flrnd> it's missing -p (you either pass `all` for both protocols, or specify `tcp` or `udp`)
• 809[12:15:10] <flrnd> let me see if I can find there is all this in the salsa repo
• 810[12:15:21] <flrnd> s/there/where
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• 813[12:15:56] <aminvakil> replaced-url
• 814[12:16:10] <aminvakil> buster-20210326 tag of debian image on docker hub does not have amd64 image
• 815[12:16:15] <aminvakil> where can i report this?
• 816[12:17:14] <flrnd> (they should add a link to the source code, like many other projects)
• 817[12:17:46] <flrnd> this is what keeps me most of the time contributing. It's so time consuming compared to 90% of open source projects. Now I need to "find" where the hell is the documentation source
• 818[12:18:12] <aminvakil> ah, sorry my mistake
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• 820[12:18:32] <aminvakil> they have stated just a little downer in replaced-url
• 821[12:18:38] <aminvakil> Where to file issues: replaced-url
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• 827[12:23:49] <EdePopede> flrnd: the bonus is, man 8 iptables doesn't even contain the string 'dport'. had to check my own script, which i stole from some short tutorial how to set it up quickly with every single line explained. was easy to adapt it later to my needs.
• 828[12:24:03] <EdePopede> replaced-url
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• 830[12:24:48] <flrnd> EdePopede: yeah I see
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• 832[12:25:04] <flrnd> I wouldn't mind send a PR if only I knew where :)
• 833[12:25:21] <tete_> imo this is inconsistent behaviour of iptables, i can do iptables -A INPUT -s $anyip -j ACCEPT without providing any further information about the protocol but i can not limit it to any port without specifying the protocol
• 834[12:25:25] <flrnd> cht.sh uses updated documentation
• 835[12:25:27] <flrnd> `# To block port 902 and hide this port from nmap:
• 836[12:25:27] <flrnd> iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 902 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
• 837[12:25:38] <flrnd> ups sorry, misclicked the mouse
• 838[12:25:52] <EdePopede> i've been picky about such books since school days, note: being dr. dr. prof. and owner of a nobel prize in physics doesn't endorse anyone writing good text to learn from ;)
• 839[12:26:10] <afoo> tete_: that's because ports are a concept that don't exists for all IP protocols
• 840[12:26:37] <afoo> tete_: tcp and udp have ports, IP doesn't
• 841[12:26:40] <tete_> afoo, but should it care? when i do not specify any protocol i would assume that it takes that for any protocol that has ports
• 842[12:27:06] <ratrace> the iptables-extensions(8) kinda hints at --dport being usable only in conjunction with specific protocols
• 843[12:27:24] <afoo> tete_: iptables only operates on IP unless you tell it about a specific IP protocol to use
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• 845[12:27:32] <ratrace> flrnd: if you wanna file a PR, file against iptables-extensions(8) to make it clearer what are conditions for --dport
• 846[12:27:50] <ratrace> note that --dports, which belongs to multiport module, is explicitly stated that it has to be run with specific -p
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• 848[12:28:53] <tete_> then maybe someone should update the docu because in the official debian docu its wrong there
• 849[12:29:15] <tete_> i would if i would know how to do that
• 850[12:29:21] <flrnd> the example using --dport is missing the -p option
• 851[12:29:34] <afoo> tete_: I've also never had a packet filter configuration where I wanted to do anything with a port for both TCP and UDP, it doesn't really make much sense as services use one or the other
• 852[12:29:57] <tete_> afoo, i know what you mean and now i also think it makes sense to provide that information, but it feels wrong that its mandatory
• 853[12:30:03] <tete_> but i am no linux admin, just hobby linux user
• 854[12:30:29] <tete_> a better error message or a corrected guide would help ;)
• 855[12:31:32] <flrnd> the guide is fine, only small misleading mistake is missing the -p option in the example
• 856[12:31:54] <flrnd> can be because an older version of iptables? or simply a typo
• 857[12:32:14] <flrnd> If I find the correct salsa repo, I'll try to send a pr
• 858[12:32:18] <flrnd> if!
• 859[12:33:34] <flrnd> I think it's going to be faster connecting to debian irc server and asking in #salsa
• 860[12:37:48] <EdePopede> flrnd, tete_: from iptables-extensions(8) → [!] --destination-ports,--dports port[,port|,port:port]... ---- Match if the destination port is one of the given ports. The flag --dports is a convenient alias for this option.
• 861[12:39:15] <EdePopede> oh wait, plural. but there's also: [!] --destination-port,--dport port[:port]
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• 863[12:40:02] <ratrace> EdePopede: taht's for the multiport module, that's different, but somewhat related
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• 865[12:40:30] <EdePopede> a man page with thousands of lines, and at least in the original reader a pita to read
• 866[12:40:50] <ratrace> it's a complex beast.
• 867[12:41:05] <EdePopede> i scrolled up at the singular version, was tagged as "tcp". subchapter, subsubchapter, who knows.
• 868[12:41:32] <flrnd> documentation is the bane of every developer xD
• 869[12:41:32] <EdePopede> Marx's Das Kapital is easier to follow with its chapter numbering 6 or 7 levels deep :P
• 870[12:42:14] <EdePopede> not even sure if i'd want the people writing the code doing the same with the docs
• 871[12:42:22] <flrnd> you don't
• 872[12:42:46] <ratrace> so this is an example of side-chanel vulnerability. EdePopede just implied they've read Das Kapital, to such detail as to remember the nesting of chapters, which further speculative-execute-implies they're a communist. :)
• 873[12:43:18] <EdePopede> best thing would probably be comments which someone who could read the code would pick up and write the docs
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• 875[12:43:39] <ratrace> or just a history/politology student ... which is an example of why CVEs are often mis-assigned :)
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• 878[12:45:04] <EdePopede> ratrace: i just realized much too late that i could have asked my relatives to grab a copy of the last edition of the complete works instead. official couse was 1:1, unofficial like 1:5. and this kind of books were heavily subventioned in GDR ;)
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• 881[12:46:44] <EdePopede> and it's the only writing i own afaik with such a deep nesting, so i wasn't surprised when i've read that TeX does this. already knew there are real world use cases ;)
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• 884[12:48:32] <ratrace> the REAL issue is when you man ls and it tells you to info coreutils .... :/
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• 886[12:49:42] <flrnd> this is gold: Signing in using your GitLab.com account without a pre-existing GitLab account is not allowed
• 887[12:50:12] <ratrace> that's gold, Jerry. pure gold!
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• 890[12:52:30] <EdePopede> looked into a 2004 practical course on IT security, it's the same. uses --dport correctly, explains destination ports, but no mentioning of the order.
• 891[12:53:01] <EdePopede> i remember how confused i was when i started using ffmpeg. order can be crucial.
• 892[12:54:37] <ratrace> or find. that one still confuses me
• 893[12:54:45] <EdePopede> ratrace: aside the tools usually used i prefer info's concept oder man's. you can concentrate on just the specific thing you have to know. manpages like bash or iptables-extensions are just too much.
• 894[12:55:08] <EdePopede> yeah, i still fail here sometimes. and the error text is all but self-explanatory.
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• 896[12:55:38] <EdePopede> at least i understood that the starting point comes first, if used. which i don't do often while being in mc ;)
• 897[12:55:49] <busternube> new install from whole unnoficial iso +nonfree xfce
• 898[12:55:57] <busternube> pffft took 15 minutes
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• 900[12:56:19] <busternube> i wasted 2-3 days trying to fix the broken thing
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• 902[12:56:53] <busternube> xrandr my custom size right in added to .bashrc ..werks
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• 904[12:57:57] <busternube> VGA-0 present and accounting
• 905[12:59:15] <ratrace> busternube: .bashrc doesn't sound like the correct file to put xrandr commands in. how are you starting xorg? with startx?
• 906[12:59:56] <busternube> it just runs from boot
• 907[13:00:07] <ratrace> so where does .bashrc come into the picture?
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• 909[13:01:19] <busternube> i read how to perm xrander command for display size and one suggested put the 3 commands in /home/.profile didnt work
• 910[13:01:30] <busternube> the other said .bashrc
• 911[13:01:36] <busternube> it works great
• 912[13:01:41] <busternube> i tested in
• 913[13:01:45] <busternube> it
• 914[13:02:03] <ratrace> tested how
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• 916[13:02:12] <busternube> logged out and in
• 917[13:02:21] <ratrace> busternube: on the console?
• 918[13:02:43] <busternube> xfce start button
• 919[13:02:56] <busternube> "applications"
• 920[13:03:31] <busternube> "log out" from mouseclick menu same
• 921[13:03:31] <ratrace> and then ?
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• 924[13:03:50] <ratrace> busternube: so you're talking about .bashrc executing when you log into xfce from your DM? which DM is that?
• 925[13:04:22] <busternube> and then i log back in by typing my stuff in the box
• 926[13:04:34] <ratrace> that does not make any sense
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• 929[13:04:57] <busternube> seems reverse to me
• 930[13:04:59] <ratrace> .bashrc is definitely not the place for that, especially if you use a DM. you want something like ~/.xsessionrc
• 931[13:05:10] <busternube> oh ok
• 932[13:05:14] <ratrace> or ~/.xinit if you startx.
• 933[13:05:30] <ratrace> just because "it werks" doesn't mean it _should_ or it _will_ continue with a future change elsewhere
• 934[13:05:51] <busternube> as a noob i just google for posts that seem to apply i'll get you the url
• 935[13:06:13] <ratrace> you know what also "it wersk"? jumping on the back of a fat kid, yelling GIDDY UP and whipping them into horseplay to carry you around. sure, works, they carry you around but you'll just end up arrested and charged
• 936[13:06:38] <ratrace> and of course you've abused the poor kid.
• 937[13:07:11] <busternube> replaced-url
• 938[13:07:13] <ratrace> busternube: google for posts that "seem" to apply? that's terrible
• 939[13:07:51] <ratrace> busternube: there's no .bashrc mentioned there tho
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• 941[13:08:39] <busternube> sorry you're right i found it in another when the .profile didnt work.
• 942[13:09:10] <ratrace> so you misread "a bash script" as ".bashrc", either of which are terrible advices, which isn't at all unusual for the linuxmint folks. you should just see what they did to their security updates.... anyhoo.... ~/.xsessionrc is better place because it's executed in the context of xorg (session) starting up
• 943[13:10:05] <ratrace> things that alter xorg behaviour are natural in teh context of xsessionrc. they most certainly are not in .bashrc, or any bash script that you have to manually execute every time xorg reinitializes
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• 946[13:11:47] <busternube> well ok but disagnosticslly i'm way ahead now
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• 948[13:12:25] <ratrace> AND you got a new monitor!
• 949[13:12:29] <dob1> stupid question but I prefer to ask: if I am connected via ssh to an host and I change its default gateway with ip route add default via some-ip do my ssh connection drop?
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• 951[13:12:53] <busternube> i'll move those, want to be proper
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• 953[13:13:55] <ratrace> not just proper, it'll JustWork(tm) when you log in and you won't have to manually anything
• 954[13:14:09] <EdePopede> is .xsessionrc the new or the old one? i still can't get them sorted chronologically.
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• 956[13:14:32] <ratrace> that said, EvenBetter(tm) option would be to use xorg.conf. Maybe. xorg.conf isn't needed unless you need to override autoconfig, and it seems you do. however, it can also break things if misconfigured.
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• 959[13:15:31] <ratrace> personally I'd just be satisfied with xrandr in .xsessionrc and call it a day because fiddling with xorg.conf is atrocious. BUT... xorg.conf means your DM and any xorg sesion that doesn't perhaps inherit the context of ~/.xsessionrc is also correctly displayed.
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• 962[13:16:15] <ratrace> EdePopede: what do you mean new or old?
• 963[13:16:31] <EdePopede> there's a file in this context which is obsolete now
• 964[13:16:49] <ratrace> ~/.xsession has always been around, the "rc" suffix is methinks specific to debian, but don't quote me on that, and I will not testify before a court of law.
• 965[13:17:13] <ratrace> EdePopede: maybe you mean ~/.xinitrc?
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• 967[13:17:26] <ratrace> that one is specific to startx (xinit) and not to using a DM
• 968[13:17:27] <EdePopede> i don't think it was .xinitrc, it comes with .xserverrc as companion... hm. this confuses me even more now
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• 974[13:18:35] <EdePopede> i made my own xorg.conf in the past (not from scratch but well), i did my own startx config, just because. but this was like 2 decades ago^^
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• 977[13:18:57] <EdePopede> and i've always been really really bad with names
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• 980[13:19:34] <EdePopede> i'm still thankful for the comments at the top of the bash startup scripts.
• 981[13:20:06] <EdePopede> ratrace, do i mean .Xresources maybe?
• 982[13:20:45] <ratrace> eh maybe. there's .Xresources and .Xdefaults and I need the later for my i3-wm config, the former didn't work
• 983[13:20:59] <EdePopede> heh, the intro, this could be me xD replaced-url
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• 985[13:21:59] <ratrace> and... looking at the first reply.... indeed, it's not for i3-wm but for urxvt, I made an oopsie.
• 986[13:22:15] <ratrace> that's FOSS(tm) for ya
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• 990[13:23:19] <ratrace> multiple clowns saying "I know, I'll just invent a whole new different name here and confuse people by halfa telling them the files can be interchanged, and half telling nothing and have some tools use one or the other" instead of the clown academy just publishing an RFCe and laughing out of their githubs anyone that tries to submit a patch for something else.
• 991[13:23:38] <ratrace> %s/RFCe/RFC/
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• 994[13:25:33] <EdePopede> out of stock, what a pity :( replaced-url
• 995[13:26:02] <EdePopede> somehow i fell in love with the series the moment i spotted them on some .edu ftp server long ago :)
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• 1005[13:35:10] <dpkg> Yes, jhutchins you are either online or you are not... replaced-url
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• 1007[13:36:01] <jelly> sigh
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• 1013[13:36:58] <judd> pong
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• 1039[14:00:38] <flrnd> okey, PR submited :rocket:
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• 1060[14:30:22] <jem> Hi, I'd like that GOPOPnome terminal could open http links with just a left mouse click, but I don't find anything in Internet, any ideas?
• 1061[14:30:35] <jem> Gnome terminal*
• 1062[14:31:20] <flrnd> for a moment I was kind of wtf... thanks for nor making me brainfart
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• 1065[14:32:33] <flrnd> jem: try control+click
• 1066[14:33:22] <jem> Thanks, flrnd, that works but is much slower to do
• 1067[14:33:56] <flrnd> well, by how many milliseconds? :P
• 1068[14:34:23] <jem> Well... I need to move both hands instead of one
• 1069[14:34:56] <jem> That's not a bit when doing it frequently
• 1070[14:35:11] <jem> And as far as single left click isn't assigned to anything...
• 1071[14:35:20] <flrnd> jokes aside, I can't find where to change that behaviour, maybe asking in #gnome
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• 1073[14:35:51] <flrnd> but I doubt that's possible for a simple UX reason
• 1074[14:36:06] <flrnd> every time a user misclicked a link would open, control assets that it's intended
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• 1076[14:38:22] <flrnd> you can right click instead, using only one hand :)
• 1077[14:38:40] <ratrace> GOPOPnome I thought that's some new terminal from Pop_OS! folks. that name so dumb, like Pop_OS!, it could very well be real.
• 1078[14:38:56] <ratrace> or gnome fork written in GO, by Pop_OS!
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• 1082[14:40:01] <flrnd> ratrace: yeah, same thought about pop
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• 1087[14:40:43] <jem> Thanks, flrnd
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• 1089[14:41:15] <jem> I understand, but I'm used to that from Putty in Windows
• 1090[14:41:30] <flrnd> jem: in any case, ask in #gnome or try to find another terminal, linux have plenty
• 1091[14:41:46] <jem> Ok
• 1092[14:41:57] <flrnd> I bet there is an alternative that let you config that
• 1093[14:42:23] <jem> I can accept a change if other things go well
• 1094[14:43:06] <jem> ratrace: The OPOP comes from the F1 key misbehaving
• 1095[14:43:33] <jem> I have to figure out how to unbind it in irssi
• 1096[14:43:57] <jem> Until I can buy a new adapter or keyboard
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• 1098[14:44:26] <jem> Let's try #gnome
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• 1116[15:01:59] <jem> Seems that #gnome is less active than #debian...
• 1117[15:02:22] <flrnd> let me try google
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• 1121[15:03:45] <iconoplasty> I'm having issues trying to netboot Buster on an old PowerEdge R210 II; the box is failing to load the (nonfree) bnx2 drivers with "error -2" which I can't find an explanation for.  I've pasted all the relevant details I can think of here, if anyone is able to help out:   replaced-url
• 1122[15:04:48] <flrnd> jem: replaced-url
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• 1128[15:11:03] <flrnd> iconoplasty: are you using the non-free image?
• 1129[15:11:37] <flrnd> sorry, by netboot you mean actual netboot, not netinstall right?
• 1130[15:12:36] <iconoplasty> Yes.  I'm using FAI to do an install on a box ... it does a standard PXE netboot and then runs its own tools to install an OS.  I've got the FAI stuff working on other hosts... I'm just stuck on this machine because of the old drivers.
• 1131[15:13:04] <iconoplasty> My nfsroot is built by the FAI tools.  It includes some specific packages from nonfree, including the firmware-bnx2 package that provides this driver.
• 1132[15:14:56] <flrnd> I this my sound silly, did you try 'update-initramfs -u'¿?
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• 1134[15:15:14] <flrnd> s/my/may/
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• 1136[15:16:45] <iconoplasty> On where... the PXE/NFS host of the install target?
• 1137[15:16:51] <iconoplasty> I did not try that.
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• 1139[15:17:47] <jem> flrnd: Thanks, but I can't see any concrete solution to my problem
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• 1141[15:18:43] <iconoplasty> ... digging into the FAI tools to see if that gets run automatically when adding packages.
• 1142[15:18:46] <flrnd> In that git explain that most terminals use some kind of control+something click for hyperlinks
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• 1144[15:18:58] <jem> Yes, I see
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• 1146[15:19:36] <jem> So, are you proving that there's no solution?
• 1147[15:19:37] <jem> :)
• 1148[15:19:56] <flrnd> iconoplasty: I ment on the machine that's running the kernel, you can either try updating the initramfs
• 1149[15:20:22] <flrnd> or remove the module from the initrd (/etc/initramfs-tools/modules)
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• 1151[15:21:28] <flrnd> jem: I don't think it worth the time and effort looking for a solution when the solution maybe a change of habbits :)
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• 1153[15:22:28] <jem> Ok, flrnd, thanks :)
• 1154[15:22:32] <flrnd> jem: there is also this replaced-url
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• 1156[15:23:03] <iconoplasty> flrnd: I'm not sure where I'd find that on the machine running the kernel .. it doesn't have a boot volume yet.  There doesn't seem to be much there but dracut.  I had to ^c out of the init process to even be able to get dmesg output.
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• 1158[15:23:29] <iconoplasty> There is no /etc on this box yet.
• 1159[15:23:37] <flrnd> yep, I'm silly
• 1160[15:23:49] <flrnd> the point of netboot xD
• 1161[15:23:49] <jem> Let's try
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• 1170[15:28:24] <jem> flrnd: Worked perfectly, thanks :)
• 1171[15:28:41] <flrnd> nice :)
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• 1176[15:35:12] <iconoplasty> flrnd: hmm... I am not finding /usr/lib/firmware on the target host here.  Should I?  It's been a long time since I dug around in a netboot host.  Definitely not finding the specific bnx2 driver.   screencap of a search for the module:   replaced-url
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• 1180[15:39:02] <flrnd> the idea is to add the firmware to the initramfs
• 1181[15:39:24] <flrnd> don't know if you already followed that, in that case I don't know what else you could do :)
• 1182[15:40:02] <flrnd> (this is why I told you to update the initramfs before)
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• 1185[15:42:45] <iconoplasty> I'd be surprised if FAI doesn't do that when it builds the nfsroot, but I'll dig around and check.  Thanks for the hint.
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• 1238[16:36:22] <jem> Another tricky question: how could I make Firefox show full push notifications, and not just two lines (and the rest only if you move the mouse)?
• 1239[16:36:38] <hejux> so, redirection, what's the difference among < << <<< <<<< <<<<< ?
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• 1241[16:36:53] <jem> (In Windows it's full from the beginning)
• 1242[16:37:12] <hejux> and > >> >>> >>>> >>>>>
• 1243[16:37:56] <hejux> "<" expand the content of the file folloing?
• 1244[16:38:08] <hejux> "<<<" expand a variable?
• 1245[16:38:33] <EdePopede> hejux, a starter: replaced-url
• 1246[16:38:52] <imMute> hejux: like shell redirection?
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• 1248[16:39:18] <hejux> sorry, i thought this is #bash
• 1249[16:39:20] <hejux> my fault
• 1250[16:39:30] <imMute> hejux: there is only < > and >> (and those with numbers before them)
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• 1254[16:40:06] <EdePopede> at least <<< also exists in bash
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• 1259[16:41:14] <imMute> oh wait, << also exists. and TIL about <<<
• 1260[16:42:08] <EdePopede> also: [command] < <([command list]) and [command] <<< "$([command list])"
• 1261[16:42:22] <EdePopede> "Are you scared now?"
• 1262[16:43:25] <hejux> i do
• 1263[16:43:38] <hejux> reading the wiki thanks EdePopede
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• 1330[18:06:25] <rangergord> anyone here using debos?
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• 1343[18:22:43] <EdePopede> ah, Debian OS images builder
• 1344[18:23:08] <EdePopede> !debos
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• 1389[19:01:18] <Dude-Meister> If I want to run Debian from a USB thumb drive, will slow(er) writes make the OS painfully slow?
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• 1393[19:02:19] <diogenes_> Dude-Meister, yes
• 1394[19:02:36] <somiaj> Dude-Meister: that is why live systems exist, you can look into persistant live systems, or even using live-build to build your own custom live system.
• 1395[19:02:44] <somiaj> usb3 isn't to bad, but a live system will still be better?
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• 1397[19:03:04] <Dude-Meister> I should note that I'd be using something with quick reads, like this perhaps =====> replaced-url
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• 1400[19:04:11] <somiaj> Only one way to decdie if it is painfully slow to you is try, but it will be slower than on either a mechanical drive, and espically an ssd
• 1401[19:04:25] <somiaj> but live systems are a way around this limitation to allow you to run an os off oa thumbdrive
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• 1403[19:05:58] <Dude-Meister> If a small rotational HDD is quicker, that's the route I'd go then.
• 1404[19:06:34] <Dude-Meister> I don't mean quicker to install, i mean quicker running just mundane tasks
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• 1406[19:07:46] <Dude-Meister> Like-File management on various "other" partitionas and stuff liek that.
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• 1408[19:08:28] <Dude-Meister> I'm just setting up a box to use as a constantly changing pile of old drives. :)
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• 1413[19:10:33] <Dude-Meister> diogenes_, and somiaj, I don't know if you looked, but the Samsung 128GB "thumb drive I linked regualrly posts VERY fast (>300Mb/s) read speeds.
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• 1415[19:11:24] <Dude-Meister> It's just that writes are - yes, significantly slower than even an old 5.4K SATA 1 disk.
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• 1417[19:12:19] <Dude-Meister> So why are people running servers off flash drives?
• 1418[19:12:41] <Dude-Meister> This is what'
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• 1420[19:12:59] <Dude-Meister> *What's confusing to me.
• 1421[19:14:05] <oxek> Dude-Meister: I do it in one place because I ran out of SATA ports
• 1422[19:14:17] <oxek> and once the system is booted, there's no slowdown anyway
• 1423[19:14:28] <oxek> at least not in a server scenario
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• 1425[19:14:39] <Dude-Meister> I mean, booting up, the kernel is read into memory as a TSR (Terminate Stay Ready) to use very old terminology, and then it's allowing the Distro packages to load as well.
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• 1430[19:16:06] <Dude-Meister> oxek, that's what i thought. (Once it's running, it's not really gonna slow down unless you're trying to run some resource-hungry stuff lie a game or something.)
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• 1433[19:16:25] <oxek> and you wouldn't run a game on a server
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• 1435[19:16:39] <Dude-Meister> Nope.
• 1436[19:17:12] <Dude-Meister> But Debian is attractive because, i might play some music or something, because it IS after-all, just a home server.
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• 1438[19:17:56] <Dude-Meister> Hobbyest plus personal home management stuff
• 1439[19:17:56] <oxek> no problem using usb sticks then, just have backups and be ready for the stick to fail at any point without earlier notice
• 1440[19:18:36] <Dude-Meister> I have a bunch of cheap SanDisk 8GB USB 2.0 "Fit" drives.
• 1441[19:19:26] <Dude-Meister> Thoise are likely too small for a full (Latest Stable) Debian installation?
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• 1444[19:20:18] <Dude-Meister> Everything I care about is on it's own drives.
• 1445[19:20:29] <Dude-Meister> I'm a digital pack-rat. lol
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• 1447[19:20:48] <oxek> you can fit debian on a 1GB or less stick easily, depending on what functionality you need
• 1448[19:21:06] <Dude-Meister> (So yes, i understand "running out of SATA ports.")
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• 1453[19:24:06] <Dude-Meister> oxek, right now I'm running Buster (current stable) on a 160GB SSD, and it
• 1454[19:25:34] <Dude-Meister> oxek, (sorry) looks like I'm using 63% or the 143GB partition afforded the root partition.
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• 1456[19:26:58] <Dude-Meister> That's why i am thinking I would need a bigger thumb if i want to just install a pretty complete package and just "Let it rip."
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• 1459[19:28:30] <Dude-Meister> So, yeah, it would be a "resistant" install if i understand that correctly, but I don't even set mount points for hard disks becuse i swap them around accordinfg to what i'm working on.
• 1460[19:28:41] <imMute> Dude-Meister: 90GB is excessively large for a debian installation. my guess is most of that is your /home or maybe 3rd party software?
• 1461[19:28:45] <Dude-Meister> "persistant*"
• 1462[19:29:32] <oxek> depends on what packages you install. My /usr takes up 7.3GB
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• 1466[19:31:53] <Dude-Meister> Hmmmm. My user folders (IE: Pictures, Downloads, Documents etc) are pretty well empty aside from maybe 15 or 20 gigs of "random un-kept housekeeping" stuff.
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• 1470[19:33:23] <Dude-Meister> Stuff like Handbrake, VLC and SMPlayer - you know - home user stuff, but aside from that, nothing very special here.
• 1471[19:34:42] <Dude-Meister> Desktop = 13 MB - Downloads has 2.8GB of unmoved stuff in it.
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• 1473[19:35:28] <MrPickles> partitions under lvm is better or separate partition for / and /home ??
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• 1478[19:37:12] <Dude-Meister> MrPickles, that's what i originally was thinking, but got a lot of push-back when asking about is from people saying, "You only need one disk for Linus to run off - why whould you this orr that" - and I gave up on it./
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• 1480[19:38:42] <Dude-Meister> When i ran M$ stuff, I ALWYAS had my desktop running on a different (rotational) disk so I could enjoy the convinence of tossing large directories or files on my desktop without hammering my little Samsun 840's
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• 1482[19:39:02] <Dude-Meister> (I have two Samsung 840 Pro 128GB disks)
• 1483[19:39:42] <craigevil> i have right at 2500 packages installed and my system is only using a bit over 12GB
• 1484[19:39:50] <craigevil> Partition: ID-1: / size: 233.25 GiB used: 12.22 GiB (5.2%) fs: ext4
• 1485[19:40:17] <Dude-Meister> craigevil, not THAT'S what I'M talking about! :)
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• 1493[19:43:32] <MrPickles> Dude-Meister: actually i already have created an LVM with three separate parttions under LVM as root swap and home respectively (which is highly recommended) now i want to add an debian10 in another partition of the same disk and keeping to have /home partition from previous lvm intact
• 1494[19:43:46] <Dude-Meister> I'm doing as much reading/learning as i can on my own, but it's a real steep learning curve, of course, and I'd like to have some time left once I learn to use Linux reasonably well to, I don't know, have a peanut butter and jellyb sandwich and a glass of milk before I die. :)
• 1495[19:44:48] <Dude-Meister> MrPickles, are there any online references you can point me toward that you have found helpful in achiving this?
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• 1500[19:46:16] <bagira> Hello. Is there a PR inquiry point for the Debian org?
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• 1506[19:49:14] <ratrace> bagira: the what?
• 1507[19:49:26] <Dude-Meister> oxek, Re: "Just have backups / USB stick fail with no warning" yeah, that's actually ONE of the reasons i want to run off USB. Disk fils, shut down and insert "One of many New Cloned backups"
• 1508[19:50:38] <bagira> ratrace, public relations contact for sensitive questions
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• 1510[19:50:57] <ratrace> bagira: like, security?
• 1511[19:51:00] <flrnd> bagira: better chances at irc.debian.org
• 1512[19:51:08] <bagira> ok thanks
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• 1514[19:51:57] <Dude-Meister> Perhaps bagira is looking for a Puerto Rican
• 1515[19:52:10] <Dude-Meister> speaking channel*?
• 1516[19:52:10] <ratrace> what?
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• 1518[19:52:16] <flrnd> *trr tsk*
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• 1520[19:52:56] <Dude-Meister> PR is shorthand for Puerto Rican, so . . . maybe? Just trying to understand the request too.
• 1521[19:53:07] <bagira> Dude-Meister, i am but that's not related at all lol
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• 1523[19:53:36] <flrnd> Dude-Meister: already explained - Public Relations -
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• 1525[19:53:55] <Dude-Meister> Wow. That's a cool conincidence. I guess even a blind dog gets a bone every once in a while! hehe
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• 1527[19:54:39] <Dude-Meister> I thought that too, but then wondered how to spell "Puerto Rican." {sigh} I had to look it up, because i never remember.
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• 1529[19:55:01] <Dude-Meister> that=Public Relations*
• 1530[19:55:46] <MrPickles> Dude-Meister: as i have an lvm i can increase the size of /home as much as i want to so if i want to install another linux distro from sam family like debian or linux mint or ubuntu i can just install in separate partition keeping /home partition same and intact
• 1531[19:56:35] <flrnd> or he could use a modern filesystem like btrfs :)
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• 1533[19:56:44] <Dude-Meister> So, back to my question about using a thumb drive to INSTALL Debian to - is there a possibility I did something wrong when i installed it on this machine that is causing it to take up so much space?
• 1534[19:57:24] <flrnd> you want to install debian on a thumb drive
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• 1536[19:57:46] <flrnd> (asking because I joined late, just want to catch up)
• 1537[19:58:20] <Dude-Meister> I don't have the drives to have the sizes and types of pools I'd want, and there's something about runnign BTRFS in Debian that's "Not quite ready for prime time" when running the "RAID Level" I'd prefer - which is "No pools, JBOD if I remember correctly
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• 1539[19:58:56] <flrnd> na, I wasn't serious, forgot to add /s at the end
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• 1542[19:59:10] <Dude-Meister> ^^^^^^^ flrnd Re: BTRFS.
• 1543[19:59:28] <Dude-Meister> ;) Gotcha
• 1544[19:59:33] <Dude-Meister> All good.
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• 1549[20:03:32] <Dude-Meister> So, MrPickles,using the little "Disks" util, it's plain for me to see that the 160GB SSD I'm installed on has a 255MB EXT2 partition as "Fiilesystetm Partition 1, Partition 2 is an extended partition of 160GB, and Partition 5 is a 160GB LVM2 PV
• 1550[20:04:29] <Dude-Meister> i think right now I need to go do some r3eading to understand what this means, as it's obviously the building blocks.
• 1551[20:04:59] <Dude-Meister> IE: This is wehat i need to learn more about next.
• 1552[20:06:06] <Dude-Meister> Does anyone here have any good references that would help me understand how this part works?
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• 1555[20:07:32] <Dude-Meister> Ah - man lvm
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• 1557[20:07:50] <Dude-Meister> :) I'm OFF! (But just a little)
• 1558[20:07:59] <Dude-Meister> Thank you all!
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• 1575[20:18:35] <fpombal> hi, suppose I want to remove a patch from a source package. Do I just delete the patch file inside debian/patches and run dch to record the change, or do I need to additionally do something with quilt?
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• 1583[20:26:36] <imMute> fpombal: I think you have to remove the patch file name from the "series" file
• 1584[20:27:39] <fpombal> imMute: oh yeah, makes sense. But other than that, I should be good just running dch right after to record the change, right?
• 1585[20:27:53] <imMute> I think so.
• 1586[20:29:32] <fpombal> imMute: ok, thanks!
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• 1631[21:12:01] <Thete> I have a bit of a strange problem, I have 2 completely identical computers running the exact same image of debian, one one machine I get "[FAILED] Failed to start Daemon for power management. [FAILED] to start Firmware update daemon" Does anyone have any idea what might be goin on here?
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• 1633[21:12:10] <Thete> the other machine doesn't do it
• 1634[21:12:44] <rudi_s> Thete: systemctl status $service and look at the logs
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• 1636[21:14:05] <Thete> some people are saying it's related to AMD AGESA on some forums, so maybe it's a EFI firmware issue of some sort
• 1637[21:14:56] <Thete> I think this more of a linux issue than a debian issue, sorry to bother
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• 1639[21:16:26] <rudi_s> Thete: Nothing wrong with asking it here. But you'll have to look at the logs to figure out why it's failing.
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• 1644[21:17:52] <jem> Retrying previous question
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• 1646[21:19:04] <jem> How could I make Firefox show full push notifications, and not just two lines (and the rest only if you move the mouse)?
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• 1653[21:29:27] <coudy> Hi, I'm familiar with netowrk vlans, now I'm trying to create two vlasn on debian 10. 1st vlan is working, but second not, all interfaces are up, network card is in management swith on trunk port, and vlans are configured on mikrotik router
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• 1656[21:32:25] <coudy> here are my configs > replaced-url
• 1657[21:32:49] <coudy> any help ?
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• 1670[21:40:25] <plujon> I noticed that vanilla emacs 26.1 in stable Debian indents C/C++ code strangely (unlike all other emacs I've tried). Should I file a bug?
• 1671[21:41:09] <flrnd> check first with another version to confirm that you can reproduce it, and be sure that is related to debian and not upstream
• 1672[21:43:06] <plujon> flrnd: Do you mean another version of emacs? replaced-url
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• 1674[21:44:31] <flrnd> yes, sorry. Maybe there is "something" in the CC mode or whatever is called in emacs (the part in charge of the language)
• 1675[21:44:49] <flrnd> I mean, not related to debian version per-se
• 1676[21:45:16] <plujon> flrnd: I used emacs -q which causes emacs to not read any user-defined start up files.
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• 1680[21:46:10] <flrnd> It was just food for thought, if you're sure that it's a bug in the debian version, go ahead and fill a bug report
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• 1683[21:47:55] <plujon> Where do I file the bug? replaced-url
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• 1686[21:48:32] <plujon> apt-cache info emacs | grep Bugs # empty on Debian
• 1687[21:48:36] <plujon> s/info/show/
• 1688[21:48:53] <flrnd> do you use debian or ubuntu?
• 1689[21:49:06] <plujon> Both
• 1690[21:49:18] <flrnd> and both have the same problem with the same versions?
• 1691[21:49:24] <plujon> I discovered the bug on Ubuntu, but confirmed it also exists in Debian.
• 1692[21:49:34] <greycat> In that case it sounds like the bug is upstream.
• 1693[21:49:35] <flrnd> I'd fill a bug then on emacs
• 1694[21:49:38] <plujon> Debian 10 has emacs-26.1; Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has emacs-26.2
• 1695[21:49:44] <flrnd> seems to be upstream, in any case that's really a bug
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• 1698[21:50:26] <rudi_s> coudy: Not working in what way? Did you check tcpdump -Z nobody -n -i eno1 -e to see if tagged packets are received/sent?
• 1699[21:50:30] <plujon> I compiled emacs from source, and it did not reproduce.
• 1700[21:51:02] <greycat> *shrug* maybe ubuntu just used debian's patches, then. Who knows.
• 1701[21:51:03] <rudi_s> Btw. you can use address 192.168.2.5/24 and don't need the broadcast and network lines. This makes the interfaces much easier to read.
• 1702[21:51:04] <plujon> I can retry compiling emacs-26.1.??? (whatever Debian uses) and see if it reproduces there. What exact version of emacs does Debian use?
• 1703[21:51:10] <flrnd> you could disable / not enable something that makes CC mode indent in a different way? Just as I said, food for thought
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• 1705[21:52:01] <plujon> The tags for emacs-26.1 are: emacs-26.1 emacs-26.1.90, emacs-26.1.91, emacs-26.1.92
• 1706[21:52:15] <rudi_s> coudy: The config looks good
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• 1708[21:52:58] <plujon> flrnd: Right; thanks. Or I could use emacs compiled from source. But I'd prefer to see Debian's distribution fixed...
• 1709[21:53:59] <flrnd> Assuming it's really a bug
• 1710[21:54:14] <plujon> How can it not be a bug?
• 1711[21:54:18] <flrnd> I'm not saying it's not
• 1712[21:54:27] <flrnd> I'm trying to understand here
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• 1714[21:54:32] <flrnd> C has different indent styles
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• 1716[21:55:19] <flrnd> Can you share code from different versions where I can see the difference?
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• 1718[21:55:50] <plujon> Different versions of what? emacs or code that is to be indented?
• 1719[21:55:58] <plujon> replaced-url
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• 1721[21:56:40] <flrnd> okey, so it's about the tab space
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• 1725[21:59:09] <flrnd> I just tested it, it works just fine
• 1726[21:59:14] <plujon> Actually, emacs on ubuntu is emacs-26.3.
• 1727[21:59:21] <plujon> Really? What version of emacs?
• 1728[21:59:25] <plujon> emacs --version
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• 1730[22:00:24] <flrnd> debian stable, 26.1
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• 1732[22:00:28] <plujon> By "just fine", I assume you mean that hitting <tab> on line 6 caused "a" to be indented to 2 spaces.
• 1733[22:00:49] <flrnd> yes, I was uploading a screen capture
• 1734[22:01:30] <flrnd> replaced-url
• 1735[22:01:59] <plujon> That is completely different code!
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• 1737[22:02:21] <plujon> Maybe I got the wrong screenshot...
• 1738[22:02:34] <flrnd> You want me to test it with your code?
• 1739[22:02:44] <plujon> Sure!
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• 1741[22:04:52] <flrnd> now this is interesting
• 1742[22:05:50] <flrnd> what c style do you use normaly?
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• 1744[22:06:24] <plujon> The default one (GNU, I believe).
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• 1746[22:06:56] <flrnd> Okey, well GNU seems to go nuts and apply those huge tabs, same as the code you shared
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• 1749[22:07:38] <flrnd> but GNU does not use brakets that way
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• 1752[22:09:03] <plujon> If indentation was broken all over the place, somebody would have already reported and fixed this. Nevertheless, this looks like a Debian bug. Where do I report it?
• 1753[22:09:34] <greycat> !bts
• 1754[22:09:34] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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• 1756[22:13:05] <plujon> Thanks; I'll try reportbug ...
• 1757[22:13:12] <flrnd> good luck
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• 1760[22:14:19] <flrnd> Comparing C styles and testing indentation, seems to just work fine. If I config emacs to use 2 spaces instead of tabs, then again indent with just 2 spaces
• 1761[22:14:38] <flrnd> but hey, I'm not an emacs user so I may be wrong
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• 1764[22:16:45] <flrnd> see, this is after configuring it to use 2 spaces
• 1765[22:16:47] <flrnd> replaced-url
• 1766[22:17:21] <flrnd> the only that didn't changed was GNU because the 2 space separated braket
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• 1768[22:18:07] <plujon> reportbug asks me to try the version of emacs in testing or unstable; how do I do that..?
• 1769[22:19:13] <flrnd> on debian, need to add testing repositories, then apt-get -t testing install emacs
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• 1779[22:24:33] <plujon> If I install Debian 11 now, will it smoothly become stable when Debian 11 is actually released?
• 1780[22:24:54] <flrnd> yes
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• 1782[22:25:13] <flrnd> just leave bullseye on the sources.list
• 1783[22:26:49] <plujon> Is there a minimal installer for Deb 11?
• 1784[22:26:59] <flrnd> use the netinstall
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• 1786[22:27:28] <plujon> Thanks; found it. 424 MB.
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• 1788[22:27:44] <plujon> I'll install that before reporting the bug to make sure it still exists in testing.
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• 1790[22:28:32] <flrnd> you can install only the base system on a VM and install emacs to test that
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