7[00:01:24] <init7> jelly: but why when I do those commands my
VPS comes online does it has to do those rules with my PLESK
anything
8[00:02:52] <jelly> init7, you have lots of crap installed,
docker, ufw, there's some mention of openvpn in the output, now
you say you have Plesk, who knows which piece of software pulled in
ufw and which created the ruleset
11[00:04:24] <init7> jelly: I will deactivate the docker
12[00:04:43] <jelly> init7, ufw however seems the obvious thing
to disable first and see if that fixes things. If it does then you
can figure out which rules are problematic.
13[00:05:04] <init7> jelly: how do I disable ufw
14[00:05:12] <jelly> I have no idea.
15[00:05:18] <jelly> how did you install it?
16[00:05:48] <init7> jelly: ufw disable I did disable it ill
try to reboot now and check ;)
17[00:07:27] <init7> jelly: thank you ufw seems to be the fault
there Ill uninstall it all
18[00:09:28] <jelly> > If it does then you can figure out
which rules are problematic.
24[00:12:11] <init7> jelly: you're a life saver :)
25[00:13:22] <vlt> Hello. What can I put to /etc/default/grub
to let update-grub append certain options to the "multiboot
xen.gz ..." line it generates?
38[00:26:03] <vlt> How can I make the (this time as) third
autodiscovered grub menu entry the default one? And how can I make
sure that a future update-grub will set that very same entry again?
76[01:01:54] <simbalion> Hi I just rebooted and xwindows cannot
detect my displays correctly and is using default resolutions. I
haven't changed anything on my system since the last reboot.
nvidia drivers are still installed
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84[01:06:26] <iWaldo> i've added sid to the main deb and
deb-src lines in .list and update returns "Unable to find
expected entry 'sid/sources/Sources' in Release
file[...]". i don't anticipate needing the source for the
only thing i'm planning on getting from sid (firefox) but am
still curious as to what i've done wrong
108[01:23:34] <iWaldo> @coruja, i've used *nix for years
and have already made sure that the repos are pinned such that i
don't get sid stuff if i do a dist-upgrade. not a super-pro but
i've been cautious enough to check what dist-upgrade
--assume-no does when i comment and uncomment various lines in the
preferences file and everything seems to check out (no new updates
if i pin in the correct order and a decent amount of them if i give
it the switcheroo)
109[01:24:33] <themill> simbalion: I assume you mean
"upgrade" not "update"; that's normally a
symptom of needing a dist-upgrade (or that you should use apt
upgrade)
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111[01:25:12] <iWaldo> tbh it's been a year or two since i
used debian (or any distro) much at all--but i don't ever
recall getting an error message in when apt-get update'ing by
adding "sid" to that line of sources.list
112[01:25:17] <simbalion> Something is very broken, and I'm
not sure if it's my system or debian
113[01:25:31] <simbalion> Nvidia can't upgrade because of a
bunch of broken dependencies
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115[01:26:56] <simbalion> but knowing nvidia I think it's
possible it could be nvidia's driver package
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117[01:28:00] <coruja> iWaldo, adding a release to a line in
sources.list won't work (and never did) but you need a new line
for each release
118[01:28:11] <iWaldo> @coruja, unless by frankenbuild
you're referring to the idea that i might end up breaking my
system by installing firefox and the (current) sid dependencies and
not taking care to stay on top of which dependencies move from
stable to sid as FF (sid version) evolves--in which case you might
be right
119[01:28:29] <metastable> iWaldo: That's the definition of
Frankendebian.
136[01:38:43] <simbalion> I would really appreciate some help
because it's quite broken.
137[01:39:12] <simbalion> can't install gnome, or a dozen
other standard things anymore because of dependency problems caused
by packages being held back that should have been upgraded
138[01:40:31] <coruja> simbalion, what about showing a paste of
apt's output?
139[01:40:38] <iWaldo> @coruja, assumed so--thanks. just a
little surprised to hear the suggestion for home since professional
3rd party installers seem to use opt (iirc that is where non-distro
stuff is meant to be installed according to the LFSH)
140[01:42:18] <iWaldo> ah yes i just checked--the vbox guest
stuff is there
162[01:49:28] <simbalion> Since these things WOULD install if
they weren't broken, apt-get should be capable of providing the
precise point of failure. Why does it start reporting at the top
instead of the bottom where the real failure happens
163[01:50:40] <awal1> any pkg for check manuals of UNinstalled
pkgs?
164[01:50:43] <themill> real output in a pastebin please
165[01:51:07] <awal1> not sure if apt-file helps on that?
166[01:51:14] <simbalion> and there are broken dependencies
which have no installation candidates
182[01:57:29] <simbalion> It's a 2 year old system, has
been upgraded at least once
183[01:58:04] <themill> age doesn't make mess like that
184[01:58:48] <coruja> looks like a fine frankendebian ;)
185[01:58:54] <simbalion> Yes I suppose that's true, if a
PC sits unused in a corner for 2 years it probably looks pristine
186[01:59:09] <themill> no
187[01:59:30] <simbalion> No? It would accrue mess while being
unused?
188[01:59:37] <themill> That's just straight
misconfiguration
189[02:00:00] <simbalion> Well you're going to have to be
specific by what you mean when you say "that" because
otherwise your statement is too vague
190[02:00:25] <themill> You don't get to complain that
dependencies are broken when you're mixing a bazillion
different releases and your pinning is buggy
191[02:00:36] <simbalion> I'm not mixing any releases.
I'm using stretch
199[02:01:10] <simbalion> I bet you're talking about the
webmin policies, well webmin isn't debian and just cause they
put 'sarge' in their repo name doesn't mean anything
at all
200[02:01:12] <themill> *shrug* your sources.list and pinning is
the cause of your problem. Feel free to fix it
213[02:04:38] <themill> mixing stable, testing and unstable is
not a supportable configuration. You can get it to work if you show
a lot of care and get the pinning configuration correct; you have
not.
214[02:04:42] <coruja> and at preferences and preferences.d
215[02:04:47] <simbalion> Okay I will clear everything out of
there and see if that fixes it
234[02:08:52] <themill> Please pastebin the output of
"apt-cache policy" and "apt upgrade"
235[02:08:55] <simbalion> coruja: All of the stuff you guys were
talking about were third-party software package repos, _none_ of
which have anything at all to do with nvidia-drivers
236[02:09:11] <themill> except this is not about the 3rd party
repos
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238[02:09:15] <simbalion> So "don't blame debian"
is insane. Either the packages are broken or the package system is
broken if adding third party repos destroys it
239[02:09:21] <coruja> simbalion, but you also mix and pin
different debian releases
240[02:09:23] <simbalion> And I wasn't blaming debian, I
was blaming nvidia
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250[02:10:32] <simbalion> themill: And yet you refused to point
out exactly what you're talking about
251[02:10:34] <themill> there's a very simple reason I
wanted to see that -- it showed me that you've got a mess of
different repositories configured and that they pinning is
misconfigured
252[02:10:37] * themill has
253[02:10:41] <simbalion> so either you're blowing hot air
or you're keeping it to yourself so you can feel supperior
254[02:10:48] <themill> [12:05] <themill> Your pinning for
stretch-updates is the problem
268[02:13:43] <mickey> am I allowed to ask questions here if
I'm running buster now?
269[02:13:48] <simbalion> themill: You know what I love? I love
all the people on freenode who selflessly spend their time helping
other people without any promise of reward or payment. You know what
I hate? All the people who use this opportunity to push people into
the dirt and make themselves feel like kings of the tech world. One
is good, and the other is disgusting.
270[02:14:05] <simbalion> and I had overlooked your second
request for a paste, because I was being spammed by "No
you're wrong"
271[02:14:13] <themill> simbalion: I'm still hoping to see
some output
274[02:14:51] <simbalion> metastable: Sometimes it needs to be
said, and when it never needs to be said anymore surely people will
stop saying it, myself included.
275[02:14:59] <simbalion> appreciate the help, thanks.
276[02:15:04] <themill> pos: I believe that the buster kernel
and some hardware specific firmware are required
278[02:15:33] <themill> simbalion: I'm happy to be wrong
that it is just your pinning of stretch-updates that is the problem
and to look further. I need to see output.
279[02:15:53] <themill> ESP over IRC is not something I've
yet perfected.
280[02:16:26] <metastable> simbalion: No, actually, your little
rant now wasn't needed. Do what's being asked of you.
281[02:16:28] <themill> mickey: you'll get better help for
buster over on oftc (which I can see you've already found)
300[02:36:18] <iWaldo> @coruja, i tried to install the latest
firefox from moz's ftp and it failed. i didn't dig and
tried to install it from stable's repo and it still
wouldn't open. i ran it from a terminal and the error i
received was something re: can't connect to host, make sure
your VM's 3d accel is enabled (it is). i tried out chromium to
see if something similar happened and chromium worked fine.
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302[02:36:28] <iWaldo> can reinstall firefox from stable repo if
you want more info
314[02:42:10] <coruja> iWaldo, just unpack the bz2 file to
somewhere (nothing to install actually) and run the firefox
executable
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316[02:42:42] <iWaldo> i basically did--unpacked to
/opt/something and linked in /usr/bin and then ran the link
317[02:43:07] <iWaldo> it failed to run and so i figued i'd
try the native stable debian version and the same thing happened
318[02:43:31] <iWaldo> same failure and that struck me as weird
so i ran it from a terminal and that's when i got the message
re: make sure VM's 3d accel is on
319[02:43:33] <coruja> then it may be rather a vm issue
320[02:44:01] <iWaldo> right--i figured so and then did a quick
overall check by installing chromium and it worked fine
321[02:44:25] <iWaldo> will try iceweasel next maybe
357[03:10:45] <awal1> "aptitude -f install" for
example takes almost same time or a bit more that the whole
"apt-get -f install && apt-get --purge autoremove
&& apt-get check && apt-get clean && apt-get
autoclean"
362[03:12:53] <dpkg> Aptitude is more memory intensive and
slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always
loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can
sometimes produce unexpected results and most of
<aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available
in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and
see
replaced-url
370[03:19:07] <awal1> if aptitude purge ~o list pkgs A,B,C and D
as obsoletes and wants to purge them but I want to keep pkgD, what
happens with "aptitude purge ~o pkgD+" action? In this
situation, + will reinstall pkgD or just prevents aptitude from
removing that pkgD?
371[03:20:27] <awal1> in fact my goal is find out how I to tell
aptitude purge A,B and C but preserve D
377[03:23:33] <awal1> BenNZ, I know that yeah; but in fact D is
usually an old linux version I sometimes need
378[03:23:46] <awal1> I should have specified that previously
379[03:24:52] <BenNZ> awal1: yeah not easy to help when someone
is vague
380[03:24:54] <somiaj> you would have to find ways to refine the
search list, ~o matches all obselete packages, but you can add logic
to exclude packages from teh search list.
381[03:25:06] <somiaj> but if the list is only a few, just
manually remove them and don't have ~o remove them for you.
442[04:27:48] <somiaj> I would just comment out everything in
that file, so it does nothing.
443[04:28:20] <somiaj> or move the config file out of the way,
see if that helps. Also try to get more output on the actual error
stopping it from running
444[04:28:35] <bolovanos> yes
445[04:28:52] <bolovanos> commentigh whole file does not work
either
533[06:01:38] <roue> I need outgoing email from my local account
to be readdressed as coming from a different account ( my work email
address ). And I'd like to figure out how to have some outbound
email go through my work smrt server and some go through gmail (
personal mail).
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535[06:01:41] <qman__> try postfix instead
536[06:01:48] <roue> The exim docs are somewhat impenetrable.
537[06:02:02] <roue> qman__ thanks. I'll take a look at it.
541[06:03:21] <roue> I'm been a bit frustrated with the
exim docs.
542[06:03:51] <roue> They're comprehensive as a reference
but there's so much to it that if you don't already know
what you're trying to do it's easy to get lost.
543[06:04:55] <qman__> postfix is pretty complex but it does
have several sane default configs for different setups
544[06:05:03] <qman__> if you want something simpler, you might
try msmtp
545[06:05:57] <qman__> it's desgined to basically just be a
forwarder to a smart host
546[06:05:57] <roue> I don't mind complex so long as the
documentation is novice friendly. Starting to dig in now. Thank you.
593[07:39:17] <jim> hi... I installed supercollider, which
installed some deps... then I did dpkg -L supercollider to find the
name of the executable for it, and found that the supercollider
package doesn't have anything besides very basic docs, authors,
changelog and copyright... where should I go from here, to find out
what the "main" executable is, which package has it, is it
installed and what's its name?
651[07:58:33] <jim> yeah me too,.,, and to be honest I'm
not sure how to help you... it's good that I asked you to
supply info about the whole situation, so someone else can handle
it... but, without the compiletime libs and headers, I'm not
sure what to do... maybe they're included in the package you
installed...
652[07:58:50] <jim> there's a way to find out what's
in it
653[07:59:20] <jim> what you need first, is a way to determine
the packagename from the .deb filename
654[08:00:09] <azonenberg> you're missing the point :)
655[08:00:14] <jim> if you start from the leftmost char of the
filename, and go to the right accumulating chars until and not
including the first _ char, that's the packagename
656[08:00:23] <azonenberg> I have the package name and the deb
file name
657[08:00:24] <azonenberg> It's installed
658[08:00:32] <jim> understood
659[08:00:33] <azonenberg> I have the headers, they're
installed from a separate tarball
660[08:00:44] <azonenberg> i confirmed they're in the right
location but that's a moot point because i'm not using
headers
661[08:00:53] <jim> oh, you do have the headers...
680[08:03:48] <jim> if you're compiling an empty main(),
there's no calls in it, so there wouldn't be unresolved
names... having said that, your link step, if to libfoo, would be
-lfoo
714[08:13:51] <CrazyTux> alkisg, yes. I have tried a few. Have
been using some well known distros. Experiencing some issues like
random freezing while using those popular distros.
715[08:14:20] <alkisg> CrazyTux: in general, distros are not
that important. If the kernel or xorg have freezing issues, it will
appear in all distros.
716[08:14:35] <jim> CrazyTux, people here don't know other
derivatives... (well maybe a few do), but if they do, that would
mean that they spent more time learning the other one... also,
there's trust issues... while the derivs use the same package
manager, people here won/'t know the massive amount of changes
there could potentially be on the packages of other dists
717[08:14:39] <alkisg> So don't spend too much time
selecting a distro.
718[08:14:57] <azonenberg> fwiw i left ubuntu for vanilla debian
719[08:14:58] <jim> too late :)
720[08:15:18] <azonenberg> they tried to be osx and failed hard
(plus if i wanted osx i'd have bought a mac)
721[08:15:29] <CrazyTux> just yesterday, I was using Ubuntu Mate
16.04.3. The OS stopped responding suddenly. All the work that I did
couldn't be saved.
722[08:15:38] *** Nawab is now known as Neel
723[08:15:41] <jim> it's been months and months, he's
still wondering :)
725[08:16:12] <CrazyTux> jim, I persisted with a few distros
like Ubuntu Mate for almost a year now.
726[08:16:24] <alkisg> CrazyTux: right, that's one example
where the distro doesn't matter. Freezes are usually caused
lower level, not at the desktop environment level.
763[08:24:27] <CrazyTux> how is Debian vis a vis OpenSuse Leap,
in my use case?
764[08:24:31] * alkisg likes that CrazyTux has already tried multiple
DEs _and_ foudn issues with that and he is still asking about it :)
765[08:24:45] <alkisg> It's like he's doing polls on
what the users think :D
766[08:24:53] <sach> In two channels mind you
767[08:25:03] <sach> ##linux included
768[08:25:23] <alkisg> Maybe it's his way of enjoying the
morning coffee...
769[08:25:53] <CrazyTux> alkisg, it's only because
yesterday I had Ubuntu freeze multiple times. Otherwise I had
decided never to ask such things.
770[08:26:07] <alkisg> CrazyTux: the software freezes, not
distros
771[08:26:14] <alkisg> So you'll get the same in all
distros
772[08:26:19] <alkisg> Distro hunting won't help you with
that
773[08:26:28] <awal1> CrazyTux, what are you expecting to hear
here?
774[08:26:29] <CrazyTux> ok
775[08:26:45] <alkisg> Distros may help you report a freezing
bug more properly
776[08:26:53] <awal1> alkisg, not really true
777[08:27:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1353
778[08:27:14] <alkisg> E.g. Ubuntu may have custom kernel
patches, so you'd need to test with the vanilla kernel in order
to know where to report the bug
779[08:27:27] <alkisg> awal1: I've yet to see a freezing
issue that was distro-specific
780[08:27:37] <awal1> i used ubuntu in the past and software
instability is constant
781[08:27:39] <alkisg> And I've seen hundreds of them
782[08:28:12] <alkisg> Of course. The kernel itself constantly
introduces new regressions, instability is constant
783[08:28:30] <alkisg> But not distro-specific. Now, if the
distro doesn't update the kernel, it's more stable. But
that's not a distro bug.
784[08:28:32] <awal1> freezeing issue have never happened for me
running debian stable
785[08:28:49] <awal1> but yeah, i sometimes experiment that
under sid
786[08:29:02] <alkisg> You're just lucky, or don't
have thousands of pcs to maintain... :)
789[08:29:42] <alkisg> If you can point me to a single freezing
bug that is distro-specific, e.g. under the debian/patches dir,
I'll accept that. But only then.
790[08:29:42] <awal1> well, sometimes i have freeze bcoz of X
buggy
791[08:30:02] * themill suspects this is a long way from debian user
support
799[08:33:33] <awal1> anyway, I have to get my dinner; ubuntu is
just a big shit
800[08:33:53] <themill> awal1: not helpful.
801[08:34:15] <jordila> wow, in D Stretch, i just went trying to
clean up some old PHP5 packages... (supposed to be unused - obsolete
) and suddenly GLAMP Web apps stopped working in our production
server... what am i missing ?
802[08:34:48] * jordila php -v shows PHP7.0 being used
803[08:35:47] * jordila trying to understand / lean from the issue...
prior to rollback to last backup
849[09:19:48] <themill> if removing php5 stuff stopped your php
applications from working, then either you were actually using php5
not php7, or there was some module you need that got uninstalled.
You probably need to start with helloworld.php and work upwards.
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851[09:21:58] <jordila> umh ... i see, BTW 'apache2ctl -M
' , shows > php5_module (shared)
915[10:17:10] <deathleff> hi. amd64 firmware-9.3 netinst xfce
desktop setup with intel hda plays no sound via hdmi. pavucontrol
shows activity when playing sound but can't hear anything.
analog jack works. tried different samplerate settings 44.1/48 in
pa-daemon.conf, different hdmi-cables, running out of ideas.
916[10:19:02] <deathleff> aplay -D plughw:0,7
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav acts as if it plays sound
but also nothing
917[10:19:27] <deathleff> alsamixer has nothing muted for
playback
1128[10:47:27] *** BWMerlin1 is now known as BWMerlin
1129[10:48:05] <themill> Ecco_: all packages have a changelog; if
you install apt-listchanges and configure it to show you the
changelog prior to install then you can find out very easily.
1188[11:17:22] <vlt> Hello. I’m in the process of replacing
a server’s disks and turning a raid1 "into" a
raid10. I added two disks, created a new raid10 with
"missing" and pvmove’d everything from the old
raid1.
1189[11:17:37] <vlt> Now I want to install grub to the new disks.
1190[11:17:56] <vlt> Trying this I get the following error:
1191[11:19:55] <vlt> grub-install: error: embedding is not
possible, but this is required for RAID and LVM install.
1192[11:20:06] <vlt> I’ll paste the full output ...
1210[11:29:08] <vlt> dutchfish: sdb1 is an md raid1 member, yes.
The same setup worked fine for years on sda where there’s even
less room before the beginning of sda1.
1211[11:29:44] <vlt> A difference might be the raid
header’s version. The old setup had an 0.90 header at the end
of the clock device,
1212[11:29:51] <vlt> *block
1213[11:30:29] <vlt> while the new 1.02 header sits at the
beginning.
1214[11:31:10] <vlt> The old 0.90 style allowed non-raid aware
things like old grub to read from it as a normal ext file system.
1215[11:31:36] <dutchfish> vlt, what is inside pvdisplay ?
1249[11:49:01] <vlt> dutchfish: Could you, please, point to the
section about that "free space" in the link you gave me?
Their layout looks exactly like mine, just without having /boot on a
raid device but maybe that’s exactly the point here.
1250[11:49:38] <vlt> "However, GRUB can not install to a
RAID device (e.g., /dev/md0), but will nonetheless work fine."
o_O
1251[11:49:59] <vlt> What is this supposed to say?
1254[11:52:18] <dutchfish> vlt, works fine, means in there,
without grub installed (because grub not neccesarely needs to be
installed on the disk itself), hence HW raid works by placing it
inside a separate physical volume.
1285[12:01:49] <dutchfish> vlt, well the grubinstaller has a neat
trick, it can shrink 'normal' partitions on install for
the space it needs. Hence dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc OR on an efi
system grub-efi-amd64.
1286[12:02:26] <dutchfish> vlt, it can also do that an an empty
separate physical volume.
1294[12:04:36] <dutchfish> vlt, or installs itself inside the
partition. I meant shrink the filesystem space
1295[12:04:42] <dutchfish> inside that partitin
1296[12:04:48] <dutchfish> my mistake
1297[12:04:59] <vlt> ok, that sound doable.
1298[12:05:02] <vlt> +s
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1300[12:06:28] <dutchfish> vlt, but for the sake of safety. Dont
use that same PV for the grubinstaller, make free space with a
separate normal partion on each of the members, as that wiki page
clearly shows.
1301[12:06:58] <vlt> I think, for now I will just dd the first
few MB with grub and everything from sda to all other disks and call
it a day. I'll have to simulate the whole grub-install thing in
a VM later.
1302[12:07:05] <vlt> dutchfish: Thanks for your patience.
1355[13:02:07] <phenom> I'm trying to use macchanger and
since ifconfig has been deprecated, my understanding of the ip tools
equivalent command is "sudo ip link set wlp3s0". So I do
that and then do "sudo macchanger -m ab:ab:ab:ab:ab:ab
wlp3s0" or the link and I still get "[ERROR] Could not
change MAC: interface up or insufficient permissions: Cannot assign
requested address". What does a brotha have to do to change
1356[13:02:08] <phenom> his MAC these days?
1357[13:02:39] <phenom> sudo ip link set wlp3s0 down, rather.
1375[13:11:08] <shtrb> Does anyone remember the module argument
to iwlwifi to enable it after a hardware state flip (rfkill has HARD
block untill reboot) ?
1381[13:16:27] <phenom> rant, I do not see that option via sudo
modinfo iwlwifi:
replaced-url
1382[13:19:22] <rant> phenom: then I'd try it with hwaddress
12:34:56:78:90 or such in /etc/network/interfaces stanza and see if
that works
1383[13:20:16] <rant> I only ever encountered one device that had
to do it at module load and one that wouldnt do it at all.. most of
them can do it via standard methods
1414[13:30:14] <rant> StephenS: bottom line is you are having a
resource problem.. I'd check the kernel message buffer, you
already checked free/df, if you can't narrow it down maybe you
need to strace
1425[13:32:49] <dka> I have debian 9, I have installed mkvmerge
and now VLC is removed, I then did a dist upgrade and I still
can't reinstall vlc any help ?
1426[13:33:31] <rant> dka: what is mkvmerge and where did you get
it?
1427[13:33:34] <somiaj> where did you get this package mkvmerge?
1430[13:34:40] <doublehp> how do I change my timezone non
interactively ? this does not work anymore on recent distros: echo
'Europe/Paris' >/etc/timezone ; dpkg-reconfigure
--frontend noninteractive tzdata
1447[13:39:38] <rant> cause the reason somaij asked our question
is because there is no such package when we both went and looked for
apt-cache show mkvmerge to figure out what was going on
1455[13:42:18] <rant> though in this case I'd possibly be
more inclined to check other packagtes as well
1456[13:42:38] <Logg> Automounting of removable devices not
listed in fstab is broken for me. output of command `$ gvfs-mount -d
/dev/sdk1` is `No volume for device file /dev/sdk1`
1460[13:43:42] <rant> dka: you are in trouble.. but its probably
fixable.. but you're going to have to edit your sources and
finish upgrading to stretch
1461[13:43:56] <rant> dka: you're halfway between jessie and
stretch
1462[13:44:06] <Ascavasaion> The joys of a third world country
that is developing in reverse. Internet connection sucks.
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1465[13:47:15] <rant> dka: you did something you shouldn't
have and what I'm not sure because according to your apt policy
you do in fact have jessie sources primarily but a higher priority
stretch-backports.. but libc6 for example isnt in backports, yet
somehow you have a stretch version of it
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1469[13:47:51] <rant> dka: this is ultimately what is causing you
grief.. your package system is really close to becoming totally
FUBAR when right now it seems its merely SNAFU :P
1477[13:51:15] <rant> dka: um, yeah I suppose but for now
I'd probably just delete your sources list and make a new valid
stretch one, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
1478[13:51:41] <dka> can you share a valid one? this is my
current apt source list
1480[13:51:54] <rant> as long as you dont have any weirdness
other than some stretchiness in there, then you should just be able
to complete the upgrade to stretch and it'll go back to normal
1481[13:52:03] <rant> I know what your sources list is, I seen
the policy :P
1482[13:52:54] <abrotman> dpkg: tell dka about stretch
sources.list
1483[13:53:11] <rant> dka: this is my stretch sources list
replaced-url
1484[13:53:27] <rant> httpredir is deprecated, though still
functional for now
1498[14:00:57] <rant> dka: finish watching or downloading?
1499[14:01:56] <rant> Logg: well.. if you're using a DE and
have something like say synaptic installed, its gonna auth via
polkit.. though I dont know enough about it to know any real
diagnostics of it.. just enough to be dangerous :P
1500[14:02:01] <dka> I was in the middle, it's korean movie,
so I did merge the video with the sub but the video stop in the
middle, it was corrupt
1501[14:02:17] <dka> I want to know if the original or the merge
is corrupt
1502[14:02:29] <dka> and I will finish it, but 1 hour and I can
say its a very good movie
1503[14:02:32] <rant> dka: me personally Id just have used an
exgternal subtitles file rather than go through the trouble
1504[14:03:32] <Logg> new question, how do I fix polkit, because
I do have to authenticate via commandline for synaptic/gparted, etc,
and none of my disks are automounting
1505[14:03:49] <Logg> (except those defined in fstab)
1506[14:04:06] <dka> rant I wanted to watch it on the TV at the
hotel and they only have USB connection, or hdmi but i dont have the
cable
1507[14:04:22] <dka> rant, just watch it, it worth it
1508[14:04:27] <rant> yes well for something like passwordless
auth, these days you gotta make changes in about 3 places to make
sure everything works :P
1509[14:04:32] <DiecastMessiah> Hailz all, new to debian i just
installed . so just wondering how to i check if my video is working
correctly. it an optimus style laptop .. i havn't tried to
install anything yet. but glxgears does work .. but it using mesa ..
it a nvidia 310m .. been looking around the gui and not seeing
anything about video drivers
1510[14:04:53] <dka> I have replaced the source.list with yours,
apt-get upgrade didnt change but now I do apt get update , lets see
1511[14:05:09] <Logg> DiecastMessiah, optimus is terrible. sell
the laptop or install ubuntu. those are my suggestions
1512[14:05:14] <rant> dka: you have to update to get the cache
updated BEFORE the dist-upgrade
1513[14:05:20] <rant> I never said anything about upgrade
1514[14:05:34] <DiecastMessiah> darn i just changed from ubuntu
1515[14:06:21] <Logg> nvidia supports pretty much only ubuntu
with those drivers, and imo the community drivers for supporting
optimus are hard to use
1516[14:06:23] <rant> dka: you'd be able to install things
again after the update alone, but depending on how split your system
is this could just run you into more problems if you dont make sure
its fully stretch first by doing a dist-upgrade
1517[14:07:34] <DiecastMessiah> well ubuntu was no good thannks
for the info I just will not use linux than
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1519[14:08:12] <Logg> on that laptop, it's probably for the
best. optimus is a hack.
1526[14:10:38] <Logg> honestly it works, but setting it up for
friends, they didn't like it. you have to launch games a
special way with optimus to get it to use the graphics card
correctly
1527[14:11:20] <rant> I think you're confusing this user
going off their mention of "optimus like" not verifying
that they even have the kind of hw you're speaking of
1529[14:12:46] <Logg> sorry rant, but optimus is actually this
terrible. it's true I didn't google "nvidia
310m", but if they say they have optimus, I believe them
1549[14:21:51] <Logg> you have to use a loader program to make
use of the graphics card. there's two of them, one is the
"bumble bee" he mentioned, and the other I forget, but
they're both hacks
1550[14:22:11] <Logg> any laptop with optimus, you should just
sell if you want to use debian.
1551[14:22:17] <DiecastMessiah> it optumis .. hte last drivers
that my card can use is 340.104
1552[14:22:24] <rant> so this optimus is some attempt then to
allow seamless switching of CPU and discrete graphics then I guess
1553[14:22:36] <Logg> for battery consumption, yes.
1554[14:22:47] <Logg> it works well in windows (I'm told)
1559[14:24:20] <rant> I've no experience with this hardware
so I dont know its complexities.. but I'd think it'd be
possible to just use it without the optimus power saving features
1560[14:24:49] <Logg> maybe it's "supported" but
you still have to either launch all games from command line to
enable use of the card or change all your launchers
1561[14:25:04] <rant> and if they didnt set it up that way and it
only works properly on windows, the mfg made a HUGE mistake in even
rolling something like that out.. especially if they arent getting
paid by Microsoft for it :P
1562[14:25:29] <DiecastMessiah> yeah thats what nvidia-prime was
just uses the nvidia gpu all the time.. unless you call a command
bbswitch or something to turn off the card
1595[14:40:20] <DiecastMessiah> well going to try bumblebee ..
its in debian ppa's maybe it will work.. i rebeber at one point
5 or 6 years ago it worked fine on ubuntu,, but now i was sick of
fighting to try to get it all working.. fingers crossed it works
here
1596[14:40:27] <shtrb> Does anyone remember the module argument
to iwlwifi to enable it after a hardware state flip (rfkill has HARD
block untill reboot) ?<-rant
1629[14:53:06] <Ascavasaion> sphalerite and rant: Aaaah, thank
you... Doh!
1630[14:53:12] <sphalerite_> Ascavasaion: lsblk -f will also show
you filesystem uuids
1631[14:53:51] <rant> dka: well thats good.. idk how you managed
that.. but apparently you installed something(s) from
stretch-backports but how that got you libc6 from stretch when you
had no stretch sources is a bit puzzling to me
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1634[14:54:09] <rant> because libc6 isnt in backports
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1636[14:54:41] <sphalerite_> Are firefox-stable (not ESR)
packages available in any debian repos? I see that debian's
wiki recommends using the official mozilla binaries, but they
don't have ARM builds
1648[15:00:49] <sphalerite_> Wasn't that trademark issues,
why we had iceweasel, which were eventually resolved? Hence also the
inclusion of the ESR as firefox and not iceweasel?
1649[15:01:07] <sphalerite_> Not the actual software licence,
which is the DFSG-compatible Mozilla Public Licence
1650[15:01:20] <dvs> sphalerite_, it was resolved for ESR, not
the regular version
1651[15:01:21] <DiecastMessiah> ok i opened it .. had to use the
gui .. i guess this run mousepad... ok so i just put a # to comment
that out right?
1652[15:01:23] <shtrb> rant , didn't end like a version ago
?
1653[15:01:26] <rant> idk I guess.. regardless we've not had
actual firefox in a very long time
1654[15:01:47] <rant> and even then we didnt have it technically
1655[15:02:54] <sphalerite_> so what's my best bet to get
firefox stable running on here? Another distro? :/
1657[15:03:41] <rant> sphalerite_: unfortunately there arent a
lot of options for browsers on arm.. what is your issue that makes
this headache worthwhile?
1658[15:04:13] <DiecastMessiah> Logg: do i add a # to the line to
comment it out ?? correct?
1659[15:04:23] <dvs> !tell sphalerite_ about mozilla.debian.net
1660[15:04:29] <sphalerite_> Well, wanting to use a full-featured
browser that doesn't run like molasses :)
1661[15:04:36] <rant> DiecastMessiah: yes, or a ; is standard
comment in config files
1666[15:06:10] <sphalerite_> chromium runs, but it has a bunch of
animations that aren't much fun to run without
hardware-accelerated graphics and there doesn't seem to be any
option to disable them. I remember being able to disable chrome
animations in about:config in forefox
1729[15:51:46] <Ascavasaion> I have a 26TB RAID5 partition that
auto mounts in debian when I open it in the file manager. I cnanot
find it in /etc/fstab. I would like to change where it mounts the
RAID partition, and preferabyl also make it automount it on startup
so that I do not need to open it in file manager first.
1730[15:51:58] <abrotman> sphalerite_: why not just build from
source?
1731[15:52:04] <abrotman> or install from upstream?
1732[15:52:24] <abrotman> Ascavasaion: so add it to /etc/fstab
1733[15:52:24] <rant> Ascavasaion: put it in fstab
1734[15:53:07] <Ascavasaion> Aaaah, okay hehe Thought it was
placed elsewhere seeing as it was automounting the thing.
1735[15:53:39] <SwedeMike> Ascavasaion: no, there is
functionality to automount USB volumes etc, but it also works on
other volumes
1748[15:58:13] <sphalerite_> my eventual goal is to get the nix
package working so I don't need an other-distro chroot at all,
but until then I'll be content with using binaries that
well-known distros have managed to build
1766[16:15:19] <hicks_> upgraded my htpc (macmini) to stretch
today and having issues with lirc which no longer works. Followed
the /usr/share/doc/lirc which has someinfo about splitting to 3
services and upgrade script but still nothing. cat /dev/input/event2
does print out garbage (expected) when the remote buttons are
pushed, but irw reports "failed to initialise hardware".
Any ideas where to look next?
1771[16:17:43] <rant> Ascavasaion: when it comes to wanting to
actually control something being mounted there are only two places
thats configured.. crypttab for encrypted devices and fstab for all
others. There are limited gconf/dconf settings for automounting with
gvfsd but they're not as readily familiar to folks nor are they
as easy to customize, afaik they are global settings for all mounts
not specific device settings
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1774[16:18:49] <DiecastMessiah> hailz all again .. fresh install
of debain and newbie too.. not sure but i think i am using stretch
..using xfce and cannot even find what version i am using.. trying
to add backports to source.list but not sure to use jessie or
stretch
1780[16:22:14] <rant> DiecastMessiah: if you are using stretch
you should see 9.3 or such at the top, and 2.24 at the bottom and
several stretch sources
1790[16:26:37] <rant> the /etc/debian_version tells you what was
installed, version of libc6 shows what you're actually at for
most all intents and purposes, and the apt policy shows what the
package manager is tracking.. all three should agree but thats not
always the case when people do dumb stuff
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1804[16:34:20] <rant> StephenS: So I guess you can solve that
problem then
1805[16:34:52] <DiecastMessiah> ok last question. is there a tool
i can download to make a bootable usb .. like on ubuntu had startup
disk .. and it would install a cdimage on to the usb stick
1807[16:35:42] <rant> I'm on Stretch i386 and for whatever
reason it seems like all mpeg files do this weird grey pixelating
crap with vlc but not with mplayer.. every other type of file, flv,
avi, etc play fine in vlc, but mpeg only plays properly in mplayer.
Any suggestions? I thought all the players used the same codecs
1808[16:36:05] <massolit> For some packages (the kernel is a good
example), I see a representation of the Debian distribution appended
to the version, e.g: <version>+deb9 or <version>~deb9.
Is documentation available to describe this convention?
1816[16:38:23] <rant> DiecastMessiah: if is the input file and of
is the output file.. you just gotta check and see which device node
belongs to the drive you wanna write to.. can use lsblk for example
to see block device node name
1817[16:39:02] <rant> DiecastMessiah: there was unetbootin
(unetbootin.sf.net) but its outdated and does stuff that is no
longer required
1818[16:43:38] <DiecastMessiah> ok seem to be working. stick is
flashing
1822[16:45:52] <hicks_> sorted my issue, logging here in case
anyone else runs into it. lirc_options.conf had device set to auto.
irw and irrecord failed to find the device with auto, setting it to
/dev/usb/hiddev0 and both now detect the button presses correctly.
1823[16:47:06] <g0zzy> Why would a wifi driver repeatedly try to
authenticate and then deauthenticate once authenticated?
(deauthenticating from cc:33:bb:12:a7:fc by local choice (Reason:
3=DEAUTH_LEAVING))
1824[16:47:42] <DiecastMessiah> rant: thanks again.. that seem to
have worked out nicely
1825[16:48:19] <rant> DiecastMessiah: yeah its nice they work
like that now.. that unetbootin proceedure was a bit of a pain.. it
actually unpacked the iso
1856[17:11:56] <g0zzy> "SMTP error from remote mail server
after pipelined MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=3139: 530-5.5.1
Authentication Required. Learn more at\n530 5.5.1
replaced-url
1857[17:12:12] <cuddylier> How do I install grub on all disks via
preseed? All the commands I find make you hard code the disk names.
1858[17:12:36] <g0zzy> That's Exim4 set up with using Gmail
as smarthost. 100% certain passwd.client is correct. Why the error?
1859[17:13:17] <shtrb> g0zzy, sometimes you are blocked when you
are sending too much or from a fishy location
1860[17:13:46] <shtrb> normally the unblock come back after ~24
hours
1861[17:14:04] <g0zzy> Right. It was one word actually ;)
1862[17:14:52] <g0zzy> I originally DID have the password wrong.
What that cause such a problem even when i corrected it?
2010[19:03:40] <g0zzy> Yes, I've been through that with a
fine-toothed comb. "<goose@medion.home> R=smarthost
T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=gmail-smtp-msa.l.google.com
[64.233.184.108] X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256 CV=no
DN="C=US,ST=California,L=Mountain View,O=Google
Inc,CN=smtp.gmail.com": SMTP error from remote mail server
after pipelined MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=3133: 530-5.5.1
Authentication Required. Learn more at\n530 5.5.1
replaced-url
2014[19:05:07] <rhizome> how come sometimes i get a single
apt-listchanges email (probably when I do a manual update), but i
also get 15 different apt-listchanges emails many mornings as well?
2015[19:05:07] <dpkg> rumour has it, start is what you have to
press to stop in Windows
2016[19:06:17] <henkka_hy> wow that's still alive
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2020[19:10:01] <g0zzy> I wonder why /etc/exim4/passwd.client has
not been read for several hours. In fact since stat shows all
timestamps are the same, it might not have been read _by exim4_ at
all
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2025[19:16:59] <g0zzy> OK i've cracked it. The answer to my
last question is that passwd.client only gets read if the smarthost
resolves correctly. In my case, the CNAME smtp.gmail.com did not
resolve to anything other than google.com, so passwd.client was
misconfigured
2049[19:40:25] <awal1> in previous versions of virtualbox
activating "bridge adapter" in guest network settings
instead of NAT one is able to connect guest to home wifi directly.
the bridge feature still there but it doesn't work, activating
it and deactivating NAT, there is no way for guest guest conecting
to Internet.
2050[19:40:39] <awal1> anyone using vbox can confirm that?
2051[19:41:01] <awal1> I am running sid but I have this
problematic since stretch dev.
2080[19:55:31] <somiaj> well for a bridged network, you need to
have a bridge configured on the network card you want to bridge on
the host (at least for qemu I need this). So my guess is something
is configured on your system where virtualbox cannot setup the
bridge directly.
2085[19:57:36] <Ascavasaion> Is there any reason why webmin would
not be in Debian repositories?
2086[19:57:49] <RoyK> !webmin
2087[19:57:49] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for
unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at
replaced-url
2088[19:58:35] <somiaj> awal1: looks like virtualbox should set
up the briding more automatically. I'm not fidning any good
details on how to debug it if the bridge isn't setting up
correctly.
2094[19:59:40] <somiaj> awal1: first check the guest can see a
network card, and if it can see the network card, then it is
something with the bridge on the host I would imagine.
2095[19:59:51] <somiaj> RoyK: I use libvirt.
2096[20:00:00] <jhutchins> Ascavasaion: I was suggesting that to
awal1
2098[20:00:14] <somiaj> which in turn uses qemu-kvm
2099[20:00:27] <Ascavasaion> jhutchins: Oh, oops
2100[20:00:30] <jhutchins> I use vbox but haven't learned
much about it because it just works as expected.
2101[20:00:58] <awal1> somiaj, vbox manages bridge networking
automatically, I never configured bridge net. in the past bridging
works fine just activating bridge adapter in vbox guest net.
settings
2102[20:00:59] <RoyK> Ascavasaion: really, learning to administer
the system from the commandline isn't very hard, and
you'll never miss the webui once you've leared it
2103[20:01:36] <awal1> Jhutchins, I almost use vbox bcoz of full
screen feature and I have better results with it
2113[20:03:12] <RoyK> Ascavasaion: don't be - just give it a
bit of time - you'll even learn something from it ;)
2114[20:04:30] <awal1> somiaj, yeah vbox and guest detects the
card. In guest net. settings I see "Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop
(82540EM)". that is my card
2126[20:12:34] <apathor> hi. for some packages running apt-get
source displays a message like "NOTICE: 'uzbl'
packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control
system at:"
2127[20:12:57] <apathor> is there a way of getting that repo
information with apt-cache?
2147[20:19:22] <abrotman> apathor: for a specific package?
2148[20:20:00] <jhutchins> apathor: I was wondering which release
of Debian you were seeing that with. I don't work with source
much, but I thought stable was pretty complete.
2178[20:39:08] <somiaj> not sure if that will work for all
packages. Also not all packages will have git repo.
2179[20:39:43] <somiaj> The watch file in the source package
mayhelp, but I think you need the source package installed for that,
and it will mroe likely point to the upstream releases and not the
repo.
2180[20:40:50] <somiaj> seems the Source: filed in the copyright
field points to the git repo, at least on the few packages I've
checked.
2181[20:41:29] <apathor> yeah the attribute name gives the
package system somiaj. like 'Vcs-Bzr'
2182[20:41:55] <somiaj> but if the package is installed, grep
^Source: /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright gives the source info
on the copyright
2183[20:42:05] <somiaj> unsure how to search the copyright for
uninstalled packages.
2184[20:42:53] <somiaj> apathor: the packages I tested that on,
that match doesn't return the upstream git repo. I didn't
see it anywhere in the output of apt-cache showsrc packagename, but
it could just be the packages I'm lookign at
2185[20:43:09] <vlt> Hello. When adding a new device to an md
raid I got the following syslog warning: "kernel: md0: Warning:
Device sdd2 is misaligned". I had just formatted the partitions
using cfdisk. Any idea what might cause this?
2210[21:02:17] <jelly> vlt, one possibility is the kernel still
sees old partition table and md used that. You could destroy md0,
reboot, create it again and see if the warning appears anew
2211[21:03:27] <vlt> jelly: I re-read the partition layout but
will try that. Thanks.
2212[21:03:28] <jelly> (roughly: mdadm --stop /dev/md0, then
mdadm --zero-superblock on its members, and make sure old array is
not present in mdadm.conf)
2213[21:03:37] <jelly> vlt, did the reread succeed?
2214[21:04:02] <vlt> jelly: At least I got no error message.
I'll try again.
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2216[21:05:13] <jelly> yeah, if it failed due to a partition
being in use the tool used would have probably complained (at least
fdisk and blockdev --rereadpt do).
2217[21:07:41] <dondelelcaro> vlt: yeah, those partitions look
good to me too; hopefully rebuilding it after zeroing the superblock
helped
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2227[21:15:59] <Pr0metheus> I ssh to another computer and run a
spatialite (like sql lite) query, I didn't know that if I
disconnect I can't reconnect. Any idea if the execution might
have cancelled after I got disconnected? Is this possible or is it
running as a ghost session?
2228[21:16:50] <dondelelcaro> Pr0metheus: assuming that the
program handles SIGHUP properly, it should stop
2229[21:18:18] <vlt> Pr0metheus: If you have to do things like
this occasionally you might want to have a look at tmux (or screen).
2230[21:18:43] <Pr0metheus> vlth thanks I checked it afterwards,
wasn't aware of it
2231[21:18:51] *** Quits: sir_wombat (~andreas@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2232[21:18:53] <rant> what would you recommend to play a dvd in
Stretch? mplayer seemed to play but I think I got the command line
wrong it only played the FBI warning then exited and vlc doesnt seem
to do anything
2389[23:37:49] <Ascavasaion> I have a ome made NAS with 32TB
RAID5 on it. the computer has an onboard 1Gb NIC. I popped another
1Gb NIC into it. Is it viable to "bridge" them, not sure
what one would call it. In order to run say 2Gb data through it? Is
it possible, viable, and worth doing?
2392[23:38:29] <oo_miguel> is it possible to temporarily block
all calls to 'shutdown' even from root, for example when
an automatic backup is running?
2417[23:50:19] *** Quits: kisslo (~kisslo@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2418[23:51:59] <jan_nabot> Hi! I've got two hosts on local
wireless network, both with Debian / X / Openbox. I am looking for
way to use keyboard of first host as keyboard of second host without
VNC, X forwarding or creating new graphical session for that
purpose. 'Just' sending keystrokes. Any ideas?