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• 16[00:12:24] <fpat> throw some journalctl spells at it
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• 18[00:12:49] <rant> heh
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• 20[00:13:25] <rant> ENOMANNA
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• 24[00:15:14] <mnuhmnuh> fwiw, Version: 1:2.17-1~bpo9+1 in backports.
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• 35[00:22:02] <pie3> anyone from usa?
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• 42[00:22:57] <bites> namaste.
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• 44[00:23:45] <rant> pie3: no, the whole counry moved aftter Trump became presodent
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• 46[00:24:10] <mnuhmnuh> i was there a few times.
• 47[00:24:37] <ArchNoob_> Hi, am on Debian 9.5 trying to install libpng-dev or libpng-tools to get a node app to work. But I cannot install them from apt-get?
• 48[00:24:37] <rant> they call it Trumptopia now and the sane people deny being from there
• 49[00:24:49] <zokum> fpat: was that meant to me?
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• 53[00:25:54] <fpat> zokum: yes
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• 56[00:26:49] <mnuhmnuh> pie3: this channel is for debian linux support.
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• 58[00:27:13] <annadane> ArchNoob_, we'll need your output to paste.debian.net
• 59[00:27:14] <annadane> !bat
• 60[00:27:17] <annadane> c'mon dpkg
• 61[00:27:23] <annadane> oh. not even here.
• 62[00:27:25] <annadane> dselect: bat
• 63[00:27:25] <dselect> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 64[00:27:56] <annadane> ,v libpng-dev
• 65[00:27:57] <judd> Package: libpng-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.6.28-1; buster: 1.6.34-1; sid: 1.6.34-1
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• 74[00:31:32] <ArchNoob_> well, here is some of it.. replaced-url
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• 76[00:32:15] <ch3mical> Not sure if this is the best place to ask... Anyone know why nodejs isn't available on stretch?
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• 78[00:32:28] <ch3mical> >Package nodejs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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• 81[00:33:05] <bites> ArchNoob_: do you have a mixed stretch/testing/unstable system ?
• 82[00:33:07] <RoyK> ,v nodejs
• 83[00:33:08] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; sid: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; experimental: 10.4.0~dfsg-1
• 84[00:34:01] <ch3mical> Is that just confirming it's a package on stretch?
• 85[00:34:21] <RoyK> yes
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• 87[00:34:32] <ch3mical> Any idea why I'm getting the error, then?
• 88[00:34:50] <RoyK> ch3mical: see the answer from bites
• 89[00:35:06] <ch3mical> Sorry, what answer from bites?
• 90[00:35:37] <bites> my answer was for a different user.
• 91[00:35:42] <RoyK> sorry, wrong user, but still
• 92[00:36:00] <RoyK> nodejs in the repos
• 93[00:36:08] <annadane> apt install nodejs does work for me
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• 97[00:37:30] <ch3mical> I've even done the official nodejs script to install the PPA and still get the same error: `curl -sL replaced-url
• 98[00:37:33] <bites> if you also want npm and timely updates i think the better way is to go with the upstream package.
• 99[00:37:52] <ch3mical> Don't need npm for my usage
• 100[00:38:07] <ch3mical> What's the upstream package?
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• 102[00:38:22] <ArchNoob_> @bites: no it's not a testing system.
• 103[00:38:23] <bites> the thing you tried just now.
• 104[00:38:33] <ch3mical> gotcha
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• 106[00:38:42] <ArchNoob_> replaced-url
• 107[00:39:03] <ch3mical> Any idea why that isn't working?
• 108[00:39:05] <bites> ch3mical: can you copy the output of apt-cache policy nodejs to paste.debian.net?
• 109[00:39:19] <ch3mical> sure one sec
• 110[00:39:33] <ch3mical> With or without using the upstream?
• 111[00:39:39] <annadane> ,v libpng16-16
• 112[00:39:40] <judd> Package: libpng16-16 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.6.28-1; buster: 1.6.34-1; sid: 1.6.34-1
• 113[00:39:57] <ArchNoob_> whats that?
• 114[00:40:16] <annadane> just checking what the versions are from your paste, but apt-cache policy will tell us much more
• 115[00:40:39] <annadane> also i'm sure that's not all the packages... but just give us apt-cache policy by itself
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• 117[00:40:45] <annadane> (and btw you don't need sudo for it)
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• 120[00:41:14] <bites> ch3mical: correction, apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy nodejs
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• 123[00:41:59] <zokum> fpat: all i can see is: systemd[1]: Stopping Router advertisement daemon for IPv6... | systemd[1]: Starting Router advertisement daemon for IPv6...
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• 125[00:42:09] <ArchNoob_> @annadane: this? replaced-url
• 126[00:42:13] <zokum> and that is when it also takes down my 6rd i manually set up
• 127[00:42:34] <annadane> ok, cool. not a frankendebian.
• 128[00:43:10] <ArchNoob_> ?
• 129[00:43:15] <ArchNoob_> whats up?
• 130[00:43:52] <annadane> ArchNoob_, if you install aptitude and try aptitude install libpng-dev (don't press y immediately, just paste the output), aptitude will give some information on what might be holding it back
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• 132[00:44:05] <annadane> dselect, frankendebian
• 133[00:44:05] <dselect> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
• 134[00:44:15] <annadane> that ^ is frankendebian, which so far you don't seem to have
• 135[00:44:24] <bites> the sources are malformed.
• 136[00:44:30] <annadane> are they?
• 137[00:44:36] <bites> the main debian repo is missing.
• 138[00:44:52] <annadane> oh. yeah, that could be a problem :P
• 139[00:44:57] <ch3mical> replaced-url
• 140[00:45:08] <annadane> i think failing to notice that deserves a 6 month ban
• 141[00:45:18] <annadane> (on my part)
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• 144[00:46:01] <annadane> ArchNoob_, add deb replaced-url
• 145[00:46:25] <annadane> sorry, deb replaced-url
• 146[00:46:28] <bites> ch3mical: ah, armel, that explains it. the package does not exist for your arch.
• 147[00:46:33] <annadane> argh!
• 148[00:46:40] <ch3mical> sonnuva
• 149[00:46:51] <annadane> what i MEANT is... deb replaced-url
• 150[00:46:59] <annadane> sorry for being an absolute idiot of the highest order
• 151[00:47:20] <ch3mical> bites: what are my options, do you think?
• 152[00:47:26] <annadane> and then apt update
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• 154[00:47:36] <bites> or use replaced-url
• 155[00:48:18] <bites> ch3mical: well, if no port exist there won't be an easy fix. you will have to ask the node community.
• 156[00:48:38] <ch3mical> Fair enough
• 157[00:48:41] <ch3mical> Thanks for the help
• 158[00:49:08] <ArchNoob_> @annadane: Hey it works!
• 159[00:49:41] <ArchNoob_> Thank u very much man!
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• 164[00:51:41] <Okee> I would like to make a 64gb memory stick bootable, and also have it store an installation cd. What do I need to do to accomplish this? Looking online I found a reference to netbootin replaced-url
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• 167[00:54:17] <Okee> I don't see this in the repository with POP_OS. I am trying to install Debian stable.
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• 171[00:55:39] <bites> Okee: so you are on a linux distro already? then just copy the iso to the usb drive. cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX
• 172[00:56:15] <bites> Okee: you don't need to format or make anything bootable. the iso contains everything.
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• 177[00:59:17] <mnuhmnuh> but "... also have it store an installation cd." i've only seen tails do persistent data ptn. dunno how it works really.
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• 179[01:00:59] <bites> persistence is only relevant with live systems.
• 180[01:01:02] <Okee> bites> So is the file with xfce in it the one I need replaced-url
• 181[01:01:22] <mnuhmnuh> assuming they meant two, not one in the other. otherwise, good to go.
• 182[01:02:27] <bites> Okee: if you have an internet connection during install i would go with the netinst. if that's a laptop and you rely on wifi i would use the firmware iso.
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• 188[01:04:25] <bites> Okee: which can be found here: replaced-url
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• 211[01:22:45] <hxmuller> greetings. When adding devices to an encrypted volume during installation (netinst), it's just the /dev/mapper devices I am interested in selecting correct?
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• 229[01:46:24] <Okee> bites>
• 230[01:47:11] <Okee> I could use some guidance on his net install disk. Am I correct that the laptop won't boot from this disk?
• 231[01:48:21] <ardualabs> Just to make sure, you're referring to the debian netinstall iso?
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• 233[01:50:16] <Okee> ardualabs> So what is the procedure for using the net install disk? I tried booting from it and nothing happened; it just continued with the boot to the distro I have now.
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• 237[01:52:18] <ardualabs> There's any number of things that can be happening here, some of which are really going to be on you to find out.
• 238[01:53:04] <ardualabs> i.e. what are you trying to boot from, do you have your system set to boot from that media, how did you create the media etc.
• 239[01:53:30] <ardualabs> replaced-url
• 240[01:53:33] <Okee> ardualabs> Is the network disk that has the word "firmware" designed to start the installation process from the USB memory stick?
• 241[01:53:37] <hxmuller> yes, check uefi/bios settings
• 242[01:54:16] <Okee> hxmuller> I am on a System76 and will need some time to research this.
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• 244[01:54:38] <hxmuller> if everything there is good, then the install media should be checked
• 245[01:55:17] <ardualabs> and...just because I've seen it happen waaaay too many times, you can't just cp my-cool-boot.iso to the install media :D
• 246[01:55:21] <Okee> hxmuller> There is a cryptdata feature on here that I could do without. I would have been better off if the manufacture didn't install their desktop. It is a horrible mess, and with most things related to gnome, everything is broken.
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• 248[01:55:59] <ardualabs> Okee: I think at this point you're really going to need to read that install guide I linked, esp.the "before you begin" sections.
• 249[01:56:11] <hxmuller> they have a custom distribution eh?
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• 251[01:57:43] <Okee> ardualabs> Are you referring to the network installation guide listed here replaced-url
• 252[01:58:02] <hxmuller> System76 has a bios you can get to by pressing F2 during boot
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• 254[01:58:29] <hxmuller> look for boot settings to confirm you can boot from the install media
• 255[01:58:48] <coruja> ardualabs, replaced-url
• 256[01:58:53] <hxmuller> if that checks out, the the install media is the next suspect
• 257[02:00:56] <ardualabs> coruja: thanks for the link, but I was referring to copying to an already formated filesystem
• 258[02:01:03] <Okee> hxmuller> Am I correct this needs to be burned and not copied?
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• 260[02:01:29] <Okee> I don't have a burner on here so I probably need to download one.
• 261[02:01:30] <hxmuller> are you talking about cp *.iso /dev/sdb?
• 262[02:02:09] <ardualabs> One other thing you can try is putting the boot drive you made into the system you have and seeing if you can mount it
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• 264[02:02:26] <ardualabs> if it's viable, you should probably see something.
• 265[02:02:36] <hxmuller> you can cp or dd the iso to a flashdrive, that's how I get it done. haven't used a CD-ROM in sometime
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• 267[02:03:43] <hxmuller> but some flashdrives have problems with that. never had a problem with sandisk drives
• 268[02:04:09] <Okee> hxmuller> Incidentally I have an important errand to run and will return after 7:45 pm.
• 269[02:04:22] <hxmuller> someone will be around
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• 277[02:07:02] <Guest73003> hola
• 278[02:07:08] <hxmuller> hi
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• 314[02:27:24] <razer_> Anyone know anything about Debian testing not detecting ethernet on install? It makes no sense a newer software would have less drivers. Install has always detected my ethernet adapter.
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• 319[02:31:19] <hxmuller> razer: I don't use debian testing isos. I use stable netinst, then upgrade to testing
• 320[02:31:26] <ardualabs> razer_: if you have the previous working version handy, I'd see what dmesg says about your driver and do a lsmod to see what's loaded.
• 321[02:31:28] <mnuhmnuh> journalctl? i've never seen it fail to enable wired.
• 322[02:31:41] <ardualabs> Just for comparison.
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• 324[02:32:55] <razer_> Should I post a link to whole thing or part?
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• 327[02:34:33] <razer_> Looks like Intel Pro/1000
• 328[02:35:16] <razer_> I tried selecting that from the testing installer too manually, and I couldn't figure out how to get passed that. It kept putting me back to the detect screen after I double clicked the option or continue
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• 330[02:35:29] <razer_> I was originally going to just upgrade and not use the installer iso
• 331[02:35:36] <razer_> I will do upgrade instead now.
• 332[02:35:58] <ardualabs> Also, before you run off, there's an off chance the device name *changed* rather than disappeared
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• 334[02:36:15] <ardualabs> ip link # just to make sure
• 335[02:36:18] <hxmuller> it might be a firmware issue, but I don't know why it would let you select it and not have the firmware ...
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• 337[02:37:24] <ardualabs> oh nm, missed the part when you were getting this during the installation *smh*
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• 339[02:39:26] <razer_> I was looking over upgrade, dis-upgrade, full-upgrade
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• 355[02:56:10] <razer_> So does "dist-upgrade" do the same thing as "full-upgrade" now?
• 356[02:56:12] <oct2pus> aren't dist-upgrade and full-upgrade the same thing?
• 357[02:56:16] <razer_> The manually only mentions full upgrade.
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• 359[02:56:27] <razer_> oct2pus, I was just thinking the same thing.
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• 361[02:56:44] <razer_> I did dist-upgrade and it was recognized, but there is no mention of it in the man page.
• 362[02:57:00] <razer_> I think maybe it does the same thing as full-upgrade then. Maybe not in the past though.
• 363[02:57:15] <oct2pus> fwiw i dist-upgraded from stable to testing and i've not had a problem
• 364[02:57:42] <razer_> oct2pus, Ok, I'm doing that now.
• 365[02:58:05] <annadane> i missed the context but i'd not do that for the sake of it
• 366[02:58:13] <razer_> Did you have a fully installed system with xorg first though?
• 367[02:58:25] <razer_> I'm doing it from xorg with gpu drivers and everything already installed. Probably more risky.
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• 369[03:00:13] <mnuhmnuh> apt-get says dist-upgrade, apt says full-upgrade, aptitude says full- and safe-upgrade.
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• 372[03:01:03] <razer_> I used apt dist-upgrade
• 373[03:01:36] <annadane> which is fine. most of them are interchangable
• 374[03:01:51] <razer_> Will it work if I run from xorg?
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• 376[03:02:10] <annadane> best if you don't afaik
• 377[03:02:20] <razer_> I did not quit or use other terminal.
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• 380[03:03:47] <oct2pus> the terminal is a front end to the console
• 381[03:03:56] <oct2pus> so yes if it didn't work i'd be a concerned
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• 384[03:04:29] <annadane> careful with testing; it can break
• 385[03:04:40] <annadane> decide whether or not you absolutely need it compared to stable
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• 399[03:11:40] <oct2pus> i mean im weird like
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• 401[03:12:35] <oct2pus> im exhausted from work, i come home ready to sleep, i quickly update my system through gnome, and gnome in its forever wisdom decides you should restart your PC when you upgrade for whatever reason.
• 402[03:12:38] <oct2pus> Nvidia driver breaks
• 403[03:12:48] <oct2pus> suddenly im literally excited because i can fix it, energy restored
• 404[03:12:52] <oct2pus> i learned about kernel modes
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• 406[03:13:31] <oct2pus> and then found out there was a failsafe left by the dev team because the nvidia driver is Like That.
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• 431[03:25:54] <velix> Is there a repository with the latest vanilla kernels?
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• 442[03:34:26] <hxmuller> velix: none that I know of, but the experimental linux-source is currently at: 4.18~rc5-1~exp1, but you have to build it yourself
• 443[03:34:41] <velix> hxmuller: yeah, as always ;)
• 444[03:35:00] <velix> hxmuller: My vbox guest (debian stretch) freeezes my windows host... That's why I wanted to try another kernel.
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• 447[03:36:23] <hxmuller> that's odd
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• 450[03:37:55] <hxmuller> velix: windows 10?
• 451[03:38:05] <velix> hxmuller: Yes.
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• 453[03:38:22] <velix> hxmuller: I've benchmarked and stress tested the system the last 5 hours.
• 454[03:38:22] <hxmuller> velix: replaced-url
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• 456[03:38:42] <hxmuller> don't know if that will solve your issue, but it's worth a watch
• 457[03:38:59] <velix> hxmuller: go away :DD
• 458[03:39:04] <velix> hxmuller: thanks, let's try.
• 459[03:39:10] <hxmuller> lol
• 460[03:39:29] <velix> Anyway, I now know that my system can handle 5 hours of 100% CPU ;)
• 461[03:39:45] <velix> and 5 hours of RAM read/write with various patterns, hehe.
• 462[03:40:05] <hxmuller> I can hear your fan from here
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• 464[03:40:56] <velix> hxmuller: Hehe, the video is some kind missleading.
• 465[03:41:11] <velix> hxmuller: I shoulds to uncheck the switch, but it needs to be checked
• 466[03:41:28] <hxmuller> ah well, it was worth a shot
• 467[03:41:57] <velix> hxmuller: Nah, your idea totally right. It needs to be activated, like shown in the text below and the text in the video.
• 468[03:42:07] <velix> hxmuller: but the video is just showing the other way around ;)
• 469[03:42:25] <velix> It's disabled by default, but should be enabled to fix the problem.
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• 471[03:42:31] <velix> The video just shows how to disable it ;)
• 472[03:43:06] <hxmuller> it seems to be a common occurence on windows 10 hosts
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• 474[03:43:35] <velix> I'll give it a try. Thanks.
• 475[03:43:35] <hxmuller> based on the google search
• 476[03:43:48] <velix> But wow, over 8 months already.
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• 483[03:56:27] <hxmuller> I ran a Win 10 guest on Debian without issue awhile back, it works the other way around.
• 484[03:57:41] <velix> hxmuller: okay, I'll discuss this on #vbox when developers are on again.
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• 486[03:58:03] <velix> hxmuller: 04 am... I'll start processing my data soon. Perhaps it doesn't crash anymore now.
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• 488[04:02:24] <hesco> Can anyone please advise which channel I should seek help with a fetchmailrc configuration question? I am getting authentication failures for an_email@the_client_domain.fqdn@host.provider.fqdn. Why is the fqdn of the host being appended, and how is it I can suppress that, please?
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• 494[04:07:32] <hxmuller> it's not very populated, and unofficial
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• 496[04:09:47] <hesco> thanks hxmuller
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• 679[07:01:05] <geosmin> replaced-url
• 680[07:01:26] <geosmin> let's do this!
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• 690[07:12:50] <COOurb> how to run script at booting/right before greeting screen appears?
• 691[07:15:05] <somiaj> /etc/rc.local still works, though maybe you want to write a systemd unit file
• 692[07:15:25] <Voldenet> COOurb: a systemd unit with ExecStart should work, and if you need it before greeting screen appears
• 693[07:15:43] <Voldenet> you might get your service in display manager's dependencies
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• 698[07:17:49] <COOurb> oh, it's not even a service. just a script for changin' contrast of display
• 699[07:18:15] <COOurb> I found out that there is no way to change+store display settings in linux/xfce
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• 701[07:18:26] <COOurb> so I should make script that will bne make it for me
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• 703[07:19:25] <Voldenet> I say it might be useful to make it a stoppable oneshot service
• 704[07:19:41] <Voldenet> with ExecStart restoring values, and ExecStop saving them
• 705[07:19:43] <COOurb> never wrote services for linux
• 706[07:19:51] <Voldenet> It's not very hard
• 707[07:19:52] <COOurb> sory, i don't get it
• 708[07:19:55] <Voldenet> > replaced-url
• 709[07:20:01] <COOurb> well, all my life was on Windows
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• 713[07:22:25] <Voldenet> "Example 3. Stoppable oneshot service" is probably something you'd like
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• 715[07:22:54] <COOurb> before it i created script in init.d
• 716[07:22:57] <Voldenet> I'm not sure if Stop is executed upon shutting off, never cared about this
• 717[07:23:00] <COOurb> but it doesn;'t work
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• 719[07:23:46] <Voldenet> COOurb: debian has moved to systemd, there might be some compatibility layer, but really, init scripts aren't even easy to write
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• 724[07:28:07] <somiaj> COOurb: be more specific, dose the script require xorg to be runnign to wkr?
• 725[07:28:15] <COOurb> i dunno
• 726[07:28:20] <COOurb> it called xcalib
• 727[07:28:40] <COOurb> xo I need fine amount of contrast at startup
• 728[07:28:43] <COOurb> so*
• 729[07:29:39] <somiaj> you will need to have xorg runing for this, you can either add this to your xorg.conf if possible and put the contrast correction there
• 730[07:29:49] <somiaj> you could also create an autostart script for your user logging into your de, and run the script there
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• 741[07:38:54] <COOurb> haha, there is no tray in xfce
• 742[07:39:03] <COOurb> so kvirc fcked up
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• 745[07:42:16] <somiaj> xfce should have a systray in it
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• 747[07:42:24] <somiaj> you shoudl be able to add it to the pannel
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• 749[07:43:03] <COOurb> nope
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• 751[07:43:42] <COOurb> or, if I get it correctly, it requires special applications
• 752[07:43:46] <COOurb> like networkmanager
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• 783[08:07:37] <COOurb> ah, too hard for me
• 784[08:07:42] <COOurb> i need just run script
• 785[08:07:44] <COOurb> nothing moe
• 786[08:07:46] <COOurb> nothing moemore
• 787[08:07:51] <COOurb> more*
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• 794[08:15:48] <gregor2> I have exidentally entered the command
• 795[08:16:10] <gregor2> deluser --delete-all-files wireshark
• 796[08:16:38] <gregor2> There was a bunch of output on the screen. Do I have to worry about that?
• 797[08:18:06] <rant> gregor2: it may cause wireshark to misbehave or fail to work I'm not sure what it uses that for perhaps to have enough privs to run a scan but keep it from running as root
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• 799[08:18:32] <rant> gregor2: I'd also think reinstalling the package would recreate that but I can't be certain
• 800[08:19:21] <gregor2> Is it possible that I have deleted other important files, not associated to wireshark?
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• 802[08:20:15] <gregor2> By the way wireshark seems to only create a group called wireshark at installation. The user was created by myself. So thats why
• 803[08:20:32] <gregor2> I thought there cant be any files owned by that user.
• 804[08:20:39] <rant> ah, well then only you would know what that user has :P
• 805[08:20:46] <gregor2> Nothing
• 806[08:21:14] <gregor2> I created it, added it to the group wireshark and then i deleted it with that command.
• 807[08:21:33] <rant> gregor2: I wouldnt be overly concerned about it.. I'd just try being more aware and less doubtful about how you admin your system or at least ask BEFORE you do something you fear could be destructive :P
• 808[08:21:40] <gregor2> So I do not set him the owner of any files.
• 809[08:22:31] <rant> the command likely had no effect but deleting the homedir which probably only had a skeleton
• 810[08:23:16] <gregor2> Does the --remove-all-files option also delete the files owned by the group the user is in?
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• 812[08:24:54] <rant> gregor2: well that should be a fairly easy thing to figure out.. unlike your previous questions this one can be tested by either trying it and seeing or probably more easily by checking to see if wireshark's files are still in tact
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• 814[08:25:26] <gregor2> I have reinstalled wireshark and it worked.
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• 817[08:25:52] <rant> heh
• 818[08:25:57] <gregor2> But couldnt there be a users group, where all the users are in?
• 819[08:26:11] <rant> sure
• 820[08:26:25] <gregor2> And if I execute this command everything gets deleted which is owned by that group?
• 821[08:26:29] <rant> but files wouldnt be created owned by that group
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• 823[08:27:56] <gregor2> I cant try that out ecause it would probably do the same thing again
• 824[08:28:00] <rant> if I had a user rant that belonged to a group tnar, my user wouldn't create files in group tanr unless it was my usergroup which would be rant by deault
• 825[08:28:08] <gregor2> I'd have to make a VM.
• 826[08:28:26] <rant> I think you're being concerned for nothing unless there is something you're NOT telling me
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• 828[08:28:51] <gregor2> lol
• 829[08:29:10] <rant> :D
• 830[08:29:11] <gregor2> I think i have told you everything.
• 831[08:29:29] <gregor2> Have I mensioned the explosion?
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• 833[08:29:52] <rant> well if you have no issues, it doesn't sound like anyhing you've done would be problematic beyond the fact you're doing things without knowing their effect and seemingly for no reason
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• 835[08:30:05] <rant> gregor2: did the magic smoke come out :D
• 836[08:30:11] <gregor2> yes
• 837[08:30:17] <gregor2> no just kidding
• 838[08:30:23] <gregor2> I have read the man page.
• 839[08:30:42] <rant> well you know compuers run on magic smoke.. as long as that hasn't come out, it should be fine
• 840[08:30:54] <gregor2> And there it says "Remove all files from the system owned by this user."
• 841[08:31:01] <gregor2> So I thought ok...
• 842[08:31:02] <rant> the magic smoke has a rather pugnant smell to it.. you'd know if it came out
• 843[08:31:22] <gregor2> then just the user and not the group which are no files except the home.
• 844[08:31:46] <gregor2> And suddenly
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• 846[08:32:16] <gregor2> takes a very long time spitting out messages like could not delete file /usr/lib/......
• 847[08:32:34] <rant> this just sounds like a catholic confession to me.. and I say you should say 3 Hail Stallman, and 4 OUr Linus, and you'll be absolved of your sin :P
• 848[08:32:59] <gregor2> man
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• 850[08:33:26] <rant> hmm.. well just a minute ago you were saying there was no output
• 851[08:33:39] <gregor2> I said there was.
• 852[08:33:42] <gregor2> I think so
• 853[08:33:50] <dfcnvt> I executed this command: "tftp -v -m octet 192.168.1.1 -c put dd-wrt.v24_micro_generic.bin" ... it gave me this result: "usage: tftp host-name [port]"...I did try add the port number 69 to it. It keep resulting this way. Anyone know the appropriate way to do it?
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• 855[08:35:20] <rant> you'd need to provide the full output, possibly in paste.debian.net if its multi-line
• 856[08:35:37] <gregor2> me?
• 857[08:35:42] <rant> include the command you typed
• 858[08:35:44] <dfcnvt> rant: you're talking to me?
• 859[08:35:48] <gregor2> I have deleted it :(.
• 860[08:35:50] <rant> dfcnvt: yes
• 861[08:35:53] <dfcnvt> oh
• 862[08:36:18] <rant> gregor2: no, sorry. you reinstalled wireshark, nothing catastrophic seems to have happened, what are you concerned about exactly?
• 863[08:36:34] <dfcnvt> uhh okay. I'm on my separate computer. But my explanation say it all -- it show exactly that if I simply show you the output paste.
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• 865[08:37:00] <rant> gregor2: as I said before the takeaway here is to be thankful you didnt screw something up and to be more conscious of what you're doing in the future
• 866[08:37:07] <gregor2> Deleting important system files
• 867[08:37:47] <rant> dfcnvt: offhand what looks wrong to me is the IP which has options before and after it.. typically options come before arguments
• 868[08:38:03] <COOurb> What should i change in .service file to prevent service from autorun?
• 869[08:38:10] <rant> dfcnvt: it probably can't understand the command line as a result of the order of your arguments
• 870[08:38:23] <COOurb> because I don't want to apache run at sturtup
• 871[08:38:46] <rant> there are some exceptions to tha rule, but generally speaking options follow the command then required arguments
• 872[08:39:23] <rant> COOurb: don't manually edit that, just use systemctl disable apache
• 873[08:39:33] <COOurb> how?
• 874[08:39:35] <dutchfish> normally you disable a service with systemd like systemctl disable [service]
• 875[08:39:53] <rant> COOurb: byt typing "systemctl disable apache" :P
• 876[08:40:07] <dutchfish> it will still run until you either stop it or reboot, then it will not start
• 877[08:40:19] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
• 878[08:40:21] <COOurb> so when I want to run it aghain I should write two commands?
• 879[08:40:21] <rant> COOurb: disabling the service stops it rom starting unless you manually start it
• 880[08:40:25] <dfcnvt> rant: ^
• 881[08:40:37] <COOurb> hm
• 882[08:40:41] <rant> COOurb: when you WANT to run it you need only service apache start
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• 884[08:40:54] <COOurb> so it's only disabling autorun
• 885[08:40:58] <dutchfish> COOurb, running and enable/disable are 2 different things.
• 886[08:41:00] <COOurb> not service entirely
• 887[08:41:23] <rant> COOurb: correct.. however editing the service files may break it entirely
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• 889[08:41:47] <dutchfish> for apache to disable: systemctl disable apache2.service
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• 891[08:42:24] <dutchfish> dont edit the service files, unless you exactly know what you are doing
• 892[08:42:25] <rant> ah, yes its been apache2 for sometime now.. kudos dutchfish .. however the .service part is optional
• 893[08:42:27] <COOurb> because in Windows there are options for service; disabled, on demand(manually) and autorun
• 894[08:42:44] <dfcnvt> rant: Reordering the options --> replaced-url
• 895[08:43:55] <dutchfish> stopping the service is simular (but not equal to disabling it) systemctl stop apache2.service
• 896[08:44:06] <rant> dfcnvt: that suggest to me you are runnign this command on a router with dd-wrt not on debian.. and it probably uses a stripped down version of the command which doesnt support the same options as the debian version
• 897[08:44:29] <rant> dfcnvt: the commands available on embedded systems are oten stripped down to save space
• 898[08:44:57] <dfcnvt> rant: yes -- I've already apt-get'd the tftp command.
• 899[08:45:05] <rant> dfcnvt: I can't support dd-wrt, there is however a channel for it that may be able to help better
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• 901[08:45:24] <dfcnvt> regardless, the tool exist...simply I'm not doing the right job in giving options or the ordering still wrong.
• 902[08:45:36] <rant> dfcnvt: are you in fact running this on debian stretch?
• 903[08:45:38] <dfcnvt> rant: Ah, didn't think of that, I'll check it there.
• 904[08:45:50] <dfcnvt> rant: Yes
• 905[08:45:50] <rant> dfcnvt: or are you running it on dd-wrt?
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• 907[08:45:54] <dfcnvt> No
• 908[08:46:04] <dfcnvt> I'm on debian. I'm about to flash it to my router
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• 910[08:46:23] <kirk781> someone is flashing debian onto a router?
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• 913[08:46:42] <dfcnvt> I'll join it over to the openwrt / ddwrt community. (hopefully there is a channel there)
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• 916[08:47:06] <rant> dfcnvt: in any case it appears that this tftp command does not support the options you're specifying and it only supports the host/port to connect to then you specify commands interactively
• 917[08:47:41] <rant> dfcnvt: i.e. start tftp then from the interactive prompt, you enter put foo.. etc
• 918[08:47:58] <dutchfish> COOurb, you can think of enable/disable as it is in windows, ondemand is not in systemd, but enable incorperates it depending on the specific service.
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• 920[08:48:21] <dfcnvt> rant: I see. I'll just try that by means of interactive.
• 921[08:49:00] <rant> dfcnvt: yes as for the transfer type there are likely commands for that as well, you'd have to read the manpage.. I never used tftp in this way.. I only used the server part for PXE booting not the client
• 922[08:49:01] <dutchfish> COOurb, all enabled service will start in a specific (depency) order. Its up to the service if it runs continously or only for a specific amount of time.
• 923[08:49:07] <COOurb> dutchfish: on Windows service should be enabled before run
• 924[08:49:10] <COOurb> so nope.
• 925[08:49:30] <rant> dfcnvt: it is however quite obvious that it doesn't support command line options, only the host/port to connect to
• 926[08:49:49] <dutchfish> COOurb, on linux a service can be started at will, but it wont start automatically if not enabled.
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• 928[08:50:23] <COOurb> Why not make sort of service "run all stuff from this directory"? I think i will make this
• 929[08:50:42] <COOurb> dutchfish: yea, already got it
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• 931[08:51:07] <dutchfish> COOurb, thats rather stupid, if you delve into systemd you quickly see that alot of services are depending on others, there is an order of things to it.
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• 934[08:51:41] <dutchfish> COOurb, and think parralel starting too ;)
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• 936[08:52:30] <dutchfish> COOurb, it works pretty well so far
• 937[08:52:55] <dutchfish> COOurb, for more delve in to fine manuals
• 938[08:53:03] <COOurb> ok, how can I get what services depends mY "service"?
• 939[08:53:16] <COOurb> i just wanna run xcalib
• 940[08:53:59] <dutchfish> COOurb, well, there are lots of ways, the ones i use most often are: systemd-analyze critical and systemd-analyze blame (to analyze what time it takes)
• 941[08:54:35] <dutchfish> COOurb, systemctl status and journalctl -x are you frineds as well
• 942[08:54:48] <COOurb> hah
• 943[08:54:53] <dutchfish> Colti, for the rest, rtfm
• 944[08:55:06] <rant> the service file specifies what the dependencies are if that's what you mean
• 945[08:55:16] <dutchfish> right
• 946[08:55:29] <rant> and that makes sure a service is not started until its dependencies are started successfully
• 947[08:55:32] <dfcnvt> rant: Got it working. Awesome. I can see the ddwrt successfully installed on my router.
• 948[08:56:03] <dutchfish> rant, some services depend on others to start first, the whole enchalada is designed to do it in the right order, as fast as possible.
• 949[08:56:03] <rant> because systemd does things asynchronously, it has a dependency system to ensure things are not started out of order causing unnecessary failures
• 950[08:56:20] <dutchfish> oops that was for COOurb
• 951[08:56:31] <COOurb> yeah, I get it, but still
• 952[08:56:37] <dfcnvt> Basically, I have to enter 'tftp 192.168.1.1 69'...to get into the interactive mode, then type in 'mode binary' 'put dd-wrt.v24_micro_generic.bin' 'quit'...that's it.
• 953[08:56:47] <COOurb> how can I find service "allowing" to run xcalib?
• 954[08:56:50] <rant> dfcnvt: yes that sounds correct
• 955[08:57:13] <dfcnvt> Well, thank you. :)
• 956[08:57:25] <dutchfish> COOurb, take a peak at systemctl list-unit-files
• 957[08:57:38] <rant> dfcnvt: there is a #dd-wrt on this network if you need help with dd-wrt in the future
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• 959[08:58:30] <mandeep_> in nm-connection-manager does 'automatically connect to this vpn when using this connection' mean that the wifi will only connect with the vpn?
• 960[08:58:51] <dutchfish> COOurb, if your particular service is listed you can enable it, if not you have to implement it on your own. But thats beyond the scope if this short intro.
• 961[08:58:59] <rant> dfcnvt: I guess you were following instructions from a website that didn't line up with the functionality of your tftp command :P
• 962[08:59:05] <mandeep_> i dont want the network to connect unless the vpn is available
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• 965[08:59:20] <COOurb> ok, thanks for this list.
• 966[08:59:26] <dutchfish> yw
• 967[08:59:39] <COOurb> and i already got that stuff about services' states
• 968[09:00:22] <dutchfish> ok :)
• 969[09:00:28] <rant> mandeep_: sounds more like it'll attempt to connect to vpn after the connection is enabled, than that it'll only connect if the vpn is available
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• 971[09:00:53] <rant> mandeep_: I think you may need additional post-up type script to bring the network down if vpn doesnt succeed
• 972[09:00:58] <mandeep_> rant: yeah that was my thought as well
• 973[09:01:03] <mandeep_> i see
• 974[09:01:22] <mandeep_> rant: thanks
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• 976[09:02:04] <rant> IIRC network-manager allows for such pre/post up commands
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• 981[09:04:43] <dfcnvt> rant: Yup, you guess right -- I'm a newbie in this sort of thing. But I success in the end anyway. :)
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• 983[09:05:06] <COOurb> can't find which service responsible for video ouptut
• 984[09:05:07] <rant> dfcnvt: I've always just flashed via the web interface unless SHTF
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• 989[09:05:30] <mandeep_> hmm
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• 995[09:07:42] <rant> mandeep_: you may want to study man networkmanager.conf
• 996[09:07:50] <COOurb> So what if there is no "After" parameter?
• 997[09:08:13] <dfcnvt> rant: Well, there is a process to do that -- there's two files approaching to the router, the first file was simply that, uploading it via the web interface. And with another file, going through the tftp. There's a step that need to go through all the process of powering on and off.
• 998[09:08:19] <rant> mandeep_: but you may also want to consider the big picture of what you're doing and explain what you want better if you need more assistance
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• 1000[09:09:09] <dutchfish> COOurb, time for the manual i gues ;) replaced-url
• 1001[09:09:17] <dfcnvt> I could simply use the 2nd file and have it upload it via the web...but I'm afraid of bricking it if I don't follow the instruction. lol
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• 1003[09:11:02] <dutchfish> COOurb, from the manual: If one of the other units fails to activate, and an ordering dependency After= on the failing unit is set, this unit will not be started.
• 1004[09:11:35] <rant> dfcnvt: well thats what the 30-30-30 tftp mode crap is for.. when SHTF so you can restore it
• 1005[09:11:49] <COOurb> But ib examples of oneshot services there is no After parameter
• 1006[09:12:15] <dutchfish> COOurb, because after= is optional
• 1007[09:12:48] <COOurb> sorry, english is not my native
• 1008[09:13:21] <dutchfish> COOurb, i leave you on your own to it, i think you have enough to figure it out, now.
• 1009[09:13:27] <rant> dfcnvt: I personally liked the tomato firmware better, and on many routers you have to flash dd-wrt first to get tomato working so I am vaguely familiar with what you mean
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• 1011[09:13:51] <mandeep_> rant: thanks ill take a look. basically want to hide all traffic as im in the unforunate position where my wifi is not safe
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• 1014[09:16:04] <rant> mandeep_: yes, well it feels like none of us are safe these days, precautions are necessary for privacy even if you're not doing anyhing sensitive or illegal these days
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• 1016[09:16:24] <rant> too many people making a business of invasion of privacy
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• 1018[09:16:42] <dfcnvt> rant: Aye, I do want to check out on tomato at the later time. But as of this time, it's the explorable phase I'm in - to learn fully with ddwrt.
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• 1020[09:17:19] <rant> dfcnvt: tomato was simple and cleaner in my opinion.. and less buggy.
• 1021[09:18:26] <mandeep_> rant: yep :(
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• 1088[10:10:40] <siraben> In the debian netinst I'm stuck on "Retriving file 180 of 1478"
• 1089[10:10:50] <siraben> How do I restart the download without rebooting?
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• 1094[10:12:46] <inquisitiv3_> Is minor bug fixes accepted into Stable? I get conflicting answers.
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• 1096[10:13:26] <rant> historically, no.. however these days there are possible avenues for such a thing, though it doesnt mean it WILL happen
• 1097[10:14:38] <inquisitiv3_> rant: But is there isn't any rule or policy that hinders a maintainer to push minor bug fixes to Stable?
• 1098[10:15:01] <rant> generally speaking we have security fixes via stable/updates and then other fixes via stable-updates
• 1099[10:16:18] <rant> inquisitiv3_: no, there isn't any policy against it that I'm aware of.. however maintainers will and probably should excersize caution in applying changes that could cause breakage or introduce security issues
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• 1101[10:16:48] <themill> only 'important' severity or greater bug fixes are likely to get into stable
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• 1105[10:18:37] <ejr> what again is the name of the graphical tool to configure console fonts in debian?
• 1106[10:18:44] <ejr> i.e. the graphical version of console-setup i mean?
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• 1108[10:19:17] <rant> I wasnt aware such a thing existed nor can I see why it should
• 1109[10:20:10] <rant> that'd be kinda like putting a switch for my lights in someone elses house :P
• 1110[10:20:22] <inquisitiv3_> rant, themill: Does the stable release manager hinder minor bug fixes, or accept them if there isn't any reports of breakage?
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• 1112[10:20:35] <ejr> rant: there defo is
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• 1114[10:21:25] <rant> ejr: you do mean CONSOLE fonts, not X Fonts?
• 1115[10:21:50] <rant> and you're talking about something actually graphical, not merely a curses interface?
• 1116[10:22:41] <themill> inquisitiv3_: I don't think I've seen any 'minor' bug get fixed in stable. The potential for fallout is generally considered too large. replaced-url
• 1117[10:22:46] <ejr> ahh found it. gkdebconf
• 1118[10:23:06] * rant sighs
• 1119[10:23:29] <rant> that has nothing what-so-ever to do with fonts, its merely one of the debconf frontends
• 1120[10:23:33] <ejr> rant: yeah, as i wrote, console fonts
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• 1123[10:24:28] <Swillard> maybe a bit biased channel to ask in. but i am contemplating, as a bit of a dummy/not sharpest knife, to choose debian to run through winblows in some sort of vmware and have a gui to lean upwards as i learn simple command structures etc.
• 1124[10:25:22] <Swillard> if i can only find one dvd+rw, can i rewrite all 4 iso parts per install/setup segment? or would it have to be 4 different medias
• 1125[10:25:35] <inquisitiv3_> themill: Thanks for the link. That policy is a bit irritating.
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• 1127[10:27:22] <shtrb> Swillard, you could do that, but you don't have to install everything (you can use network mirrors after installing base system)
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• 1129[10:28:26] <themill> inquisitiv3_: perhaps you need to ask your real question
• 1130[10:28:44] <themill> That policy is what makes debian stable so good
• 1131[10:29:03] <Swillard> shtrb i shall look into this. thank you.
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• 1134[10:29:46] <shtrb> Swillard, just take the first dvd, install as usual and continue installing (just make sure you have network connection , dialer , and firmware if needed)
• 1135[10:30:28] * Swillard nods - your assistance is highly appreciated
• 1136[10:30:46] <Swillard> shtrb - any specific optimal vmware software to be using?
• 1137[10:30:56] <Swillard> pardon the barrage of questions hehe'
• 1138[10:31:08] <Swillard> i would rather hear from a user directly <3
• 1139[10:31:49] <shtrb> is that installation to be under vmware ?
• 1140[10:32:10] <inquisitiv3_> themill: My question was regarding the policy, not any specific package.
• 1141[10:32:41] <shtrb> Swillard, if you have network access you can just install into the VM and let it download the other packages later
• 1142[10:33:18] <inquisitiv3_> inquisitiv3_: I understand and agree to the non-breaking rule when updating. But not accepting minor bug fixes is irritating and bad from a UX perspective.
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• 1144[10:33:37] <Swillard> yes i would like for my winbloqws to be able to be reset back to original - maybe i should see if i can dualboot this thing but i would imagine not as win is sticky
• 1145[10:33:50] <Swillard> i shall see into your advice and choice along :> thanka for the informative assist
• 1146[10:34:08] <inquisitiv3_> Example: Documentation for package says A, but in reality B happens. That confuse users and is a source for irritation.
• 1147[10:34:12] <shtrb> inquisitiv3_, what kind of minor bug are we talking about (sometimes bugs are set to minor while have very unlpesent consensuses)
• 1148[10:34:22] <themill> inquisitiv3_: documentation bugs are sometimes fixed.
• 1149[10:34:24] <shtrb> Swillard, dualboot is better in most cases
• 1150[10:34:38] <pingfloyd> Swillard: if you you're not a gamer, I'd run Windows in the VM
• 1151[10:34:39] <inquisitiv3_> ^ A hypothetical scenario.
• 1152[10:34:54] <themill> inquisitiv3_: You don't get annoyed with a policy, you get annoyed with its consequences and its consequences are in real packages not in hypotheticals.
• 1153[10:35:13] <themill> inquisitiv3_: having packages randomly change behaviour is also bad UX. People will actually have built things that rely upon a particular behaviour and if that changes, their work gets broken
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• 1156[10:37:27] <inquisitiv3_> shtrb, themill: I don't have any current specific example. But some years ago there was a bug in a backup application that made is unusable for me but was considered a minor bug so it didn't get backported. This was in Ubuntu, but I guess it was the same thing for Debian.
• 1157[10:38:15] <shtrb> Well , if a backup app does not do backup it should be in normal or severe state
• 1158[10:39:03] <inquisitiv3_> shtrb: It could do backups. The problem was that it couldn't restore them :P
• 1159[10:39:28] <shtrb> lol
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• 1171[10:48:43] <solido> is there a recommended way of replacing a disk drive that contains both /boot and the root filesystem? it's on a laptop and i don't have any way of having both drives connected at the same time, but i do have backups of data and settings.
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• 1173[10:49:11] <solido> should i use some partition copying trickery, or is it best to just reinstall the whole system and then restore the data from backup?
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• 1175[10:52:40] <booyah> what is the easiest/correct way to rebuild kernel on Debian, but with few other options? (I know how to make menuconfig)
• 1176[10:52:52] <booyah> to simply use it
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• 1179[10:53:47] <iflema> booyah: plugin all gear and localmodconfig
• 1180[10:54:05] <shtrb> booyah, copy a config file and rebuild ?
• 1181[10:54:11] <iflema> "correct" you say
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• 1185[10:55:27] <shtrb> booyah, are you asking about make deb-pkg ?
• 1186[10:56:14] <booyah> shtrb: well dunno
• 1187[10:56:38] <booyah> I could just get kernel tgz from kernel.org make menuconfig and make install etc. but on Debian isn't there a debian way for it
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• 1189[10:56:56] <shtrb> booyah, you can use make deb-pkg to rebuild a debian packaged kernel (it will give you the debian packages)
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• 1192[10:58:04] <shtrb> booyah, you can take a look at replaced-url
• 1193[10:58:06] <tony__> ijdpsvjds
• 1194[10:58:10] <tony__> hello
• 1195[10:58:12] <solido> booyah: replaced-url
• 1196[10:58:16] <tony__> nimhao
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• 1199[10:59:00] <shtrb> booyah, solido's link is better
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• 1207[11:04:11] <solido> hmm... is there a way to get the same output as 'dpkg --get-selections', but just from a backed-up /var/lib/dpkg directory?
• 1208[11:05:08] <shtrb> why ?
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• 1210[11:05:54] <shtrb> you have /var/lib/status but why would you do it ?
• 1211[11:06:25] <solido> to restore the installed packages from a backup that includes that directory, but not the actual installed software in /usr.
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• 1219[11:11:08] <shtrb> in such case you can try parsing the status file (or status-old) but it will not list optional packages (that did not arrive directly from apt)
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• 1222[11:11:33] <shtrb> you will need to hope that the package version are still installable
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• 1225[11:12:56] <solido> i have /usr/local and /opt backed up, and any non-packaged software will hopefully be installed there...
• 1226[11:13:34] <shtrb> and /var/replaced-url
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• 1236[11:20:43] <iflema> booyah: i like your idea better...
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• 1265[11:48:23] <pingfloyd> solido: apt-mark show manual is useful output to recreate the environment through reinstallation
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• 1272[11:57:13] <solido> pingfloyd: thanks, i will have a look at that.
• 1273[11:58:51] <pingfloyd> you're welcome
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• 1297[12:14:58] <inquisitiv3> Is the bootloader located outside of the MBR on a BIOS system?
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• 1304[12:19:42] <tomreyn> inquisitiv3: no, it goes into the master boot record.
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• 1307[12:20:48] <inquisitiv3> tomreyn: So the bootloader is located inside the boot sector on both BIOS and UEFI systems?
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• 1310[12:21:51] <shtrb> boot sector is on the drive, "boot loader" in embdeded devices is located on a chip
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• 1313[12:22:39] <inquisitiv3> shtrb: I'm thinking of a general laptop machine.
• 1314[12:22:40] <shtrb> inquisitiv3, pc+laptop - on a drive , embedded devices (like phones) on the firmware itself
• 1315[12:23:08] <shtrb> inquisitiv3, on a general laptop it's a software which is located on the disk (hard/ssd/mmc etc)
• 1316[12:24:05] <inquisitiv3> shtrb: I'm reading the Debian handbook, and trying to discern if the bootloader is located in the boot sector on booth BIOS (MBR) and UEFI (EFI partition) systems.
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• 1318[12:24:41] <inquisitiv3> It isn't very clear for the description in the book.
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• 1327[12:29:36] <tomreyn> inquisitiv3: this is for arch, but explain the boot process with uefi firmware and a gpt partition table replaced-url
• 1328[12:30:09] <shtrb> boot loader is a software which is located on the disk, it is located either in the EFI parttion (ESP) or MBR . the firmware (UEFI/Bios/blabla) will load it based on some rules
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• 1341[12:37:34] <inquisitiv3> shtrb: Thanks!
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• 1344[12:37:54] <inquisitiv3> tomreyn: I'll check that article.
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• 1351[12:41:24] <shtrb> inquisitiv3, I have over simplified it (UEFI actually uses some data on your firmware how to load the OS)
• 1352[12:42:06] <inquisitiv3> shtrb: The simplified version is enough for now. :)
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• 1356[12:47:35] <stmuk> does anyone know why casting chrome needs a particular window manager (eg. xfce not i3)? is it an artifical restriction or is some feature missing from i3?
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• 1466[13:47:54] <ringflatpak> has anyone who uses a desktop a *LOCALIZED* desktop environment installed GNU Ring *via flatpak* on their Debian 9 computer? I run MATE desktop environment in Spanish. I installed GNU Ring using Flatpak on my Debian 9 laptop but the whole app is English. Since my laptop is also going to be used by another person who does NOT speak English, how can I change GNU Ring so it can appear in Spanish?
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• 1469[13:49:59] <ringflatpak> i use the repo: replaced-url
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• 1474[13:52:18] <shtrb> Before working on the localization , try to make few calls to android (or what ever other side you have) - it was crashing for me in ~50%
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• 1477[13:52:41] <shtrb> your flatpak should not access your DE (I think)
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• 1479[13:54:55] <ringflatpak> shtrb, did you install GNU Ring on Debian 9 via flatpak?
• 1480[13:55:05] <shtrb> ringflatpak, LANG=es flatpak run ...
• 1481[13:55:20] <shtrb> ringflatpak, yes, (in the past) and it was failing so much I gave up
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• 1487[13:55:46] <ringflatpak> in the past? you mean a year ago?
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• 1489[13:56:05] <shtrb> I don't remember if a year had passed, but it was a long time ago
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• 1492[13:57:04] <shtrb> ringflatpak, but try with LANG=es (or what everelse works for you)
• 1493[13:57:10] <ringflatpak> GNU Ring was very unstable over a year ago but it is not now
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• 1495[13:57:34] <shtrb> I honestly do not remember if a year had passed or not, sorry
• 1496[13:58:14] <ringflatpak> sorry but what is the full commmand line syntax? LANG=es flatpak run...
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• 1503[13:59:52] <shtrb> LANG=es flatpak run cx.ring.Ring
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• 1505[14:00:51] <ringflatpak> will do so in a few minutes. thanks
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• 1508[14:01:53] <shtrb> de nada
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• 1511[14:03:28] <ringflatpak> shtrb, do you speak Spanish?
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• 1515[14:05:11] <shtrb> no mucho
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• 1517[14:06:19] <ringflatpak> what language do you speak, apart from English that is?
• 1518[14:06:40] * shtrb goes to search mister bin episode about getting a cup of coffee
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• 1532[14:21:28] <ringflatpak> shtrb, when i do LANG=es flatpak run cx.ring.Ring i get the error : (gnome-ring:4): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. GNU Ring does run but its interface appears wholly in English
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• 1535[14:22:31] <shtrb> I think you need to file a bug against ring AND flatpak for lack of spanish support
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• 1541[14:24:11] <shtrb> you prefer phpmyadmin ? :D
• 1542[14:24:16] <ringflatpak> shtrb, thanks
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• 1544[14:25:45] <shtrb> ringflatpak, can you try with flatpak run --env=LC_ALL=es_ES cx.ring.Ring ?
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• 1553[14:30:53] <ringflatpak> shtrb, will do so in a couple of minutes. thanks
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• 1555[14:33:44] <shtrb> I'm assuming you have es_ES locale installed (if you prefer a different one replace it in that arg)
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• 1560[14:35:43] <ringflatpak> i did flatpak run --env=LC_ALL=es_ES cx.ring.Ring and got the same error: (gnome-ring:4): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. GNU Ring does run but its interface appears wholly in English
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• 1562[14:36:13] <shtrb> can you try again and this time use --env=LC_ALL=es_ES.UTF-8 ?
• 1563[14:36:16] <shtrb> sorry again
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• 1570[14:39:59] <shtrb> ringflatpak, also try asking at #flatpak
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• 1572[14:43:24] <ringflatpak> and.... got the same error: (gnome-ring:4): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale. GNU Ring does run but its interface appears wholly in English. I did ask at #flatpak about an hour ago and i am still waiting for a reply
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• 1576[14:44:31] <shtrb> try with the last option , checking with the docs it should be --env and locale maybe I have misspeled the spanish locale ?
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• 1586[14:47:12] <ringflatpak> you mean flatpack run --env=LC_ALL=es_ES.UTF-8 ?
• 1587[14:47:22] <shtrb> yes, maybe I misspeled it
• 1588[14:47:45] <ringflatpak> i did but got the abovementioned error
• 1589[14:48:27] <shtrb> I meant, to post that question (with the exact env in #flatpak )
• 1590[14:48:37] <ringflatpak> ok
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• 1597[14:50:59] <shtrb> good luck, sorry I can't help more
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• 1599[14:53:58] <ringflatpak> i have to point out that my locale was set to English when i installed flatpak and GNU Ring. After installing GNU Ring, i rebooted and set the locale to Spanish using the command dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 1601[14:54:43] <shtrb> I think it should work as long you have the locale on your ssystem
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• 1603[14:55:11] <shtrb> wait , no , you need to change user and system langauges
• 1604[14:55:37] <ringflatpak> Perhaps at the moment of installing GNU Ring flatpak detected my locale as English and proceeded to installing GNU Ring only in English
• 1605[14:55:59] <shtrb> the env setting should (dynamically) change it
• 1606[14:56:23] <shtrb> that is why LANG=localename mysuperapp allow you to open it in a different locale
• 1607[14:56:28] <ringflatpak> dpkg-reconfigure locales changes the global defaul locale, right?
• 1608[14:56:42] <shtrb> (not flatpaks)
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• 1610[14:59:17] <ringflatpak> my global default locale is set to: es_ES.UTF-8
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• 1618[15:01:35] <dvs> !wb
• 1619[15:01:35] <dpkg> thanks, dvs. It's good to be back.
• 1620[15:02:32] <shtrb> dpkg, flatpak locale help
• 1621[15:02:32] <dpkg> shtrb: I give up, what is it?
• 1622[15:02:42] <shtrb> !flatpak locale
• 1623[15:02:54] <nix64bit> I am using Thunar 1.6.11 as file manager in testing, it mounts a new android device every time a plug in my phone, how can i clear this or better fix it?
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• 1628[15:04:01] <annadane> !debian-next
• 1629[15:04:01] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1635[15:05:15] <ringflatpak> shtrb, perhaps the GNU Ring flatpak is only available in English but that would certainly be a disgrace since there are over 400 million Spanish speakers and most of them do not speak English as a second language
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• 1637[15:05:46] <ringflatpak> that why localization is VERY important when it comes to flatpaks
• 1638[15:05:52] <shtrb> or just maybe there is some intellectually chalenged bug that make that
• 1639[15:05:57] <nix64bit> so you say I must join debian-next which is invite only ;)
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• 1641[15:06:06] <shtrb> nix64bit, on oftc
• 1642[15:06:17] <nix64bit> k
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• 1644[15:06:45] <shtrb> ringflatpak, you know there are more English speakers in China and India than in the entire combined westren world ?
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• 1646[15:08:15] <ringflatpak> that might be the case but i am talking about Spanish speakers which are over 400 million and most of them do not speak English as a second language
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• 1648[15:08:42] <shtrb> I still think it is probably a bug or a configuration issue
• 1649[15:09:37] <ringflatpak> GNU Ring is the closest free as in freedom application that can be used as a Skype reelacement
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• 1651[15:10:25] <shtrb> yate , linphone , ekiga are all competitors
• 1652[15:10:33] <shtrb> ,v yate-qt
• 1653[15:10:34] <judd> No package named 'yate-qt' was found in amd64.
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• 1657[15:12:16] <shtrb> How can I see why yate had been removed ?
• 1658[15:12:18] <shtrb> ,v yate
• 1659[15:12:19] <judd> Package: yate on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.0-1~dfsg-3
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• 1662[15:14:01] <ringflatpak> linphone works with SIP which is not friends with NAT
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• 1670[15:18:54] <ringflatpak> SIP is a pain in the neck for home users. That is why home users prefer GNU Ring and webrtc
• 1671[15:19:23] <ringflatpak> SIP and NAT are not friends
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• 1682[15:28:18] <ringflatpak> For the record my global locale is currently set to Spanish. I am running the MATE desktop environment wholly in Spanish.
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• 1684[15:28:24] <pantato> anyone have any idea why whenever i try to install debian in legacy mode, then i try to boot it in legacy mode, the bios just refreshes, and i don't boot? I have an ASUS Z170-A motherboard.
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• 1689[15:34:23] <ringflatpak> Can anyone who is running a LOCALIZED desktop environment in a non English language replicate the GNU Ring flatpak issue on Debian 9?
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• 1702[15:39:24] <nix64bit> how can i restart thunar without a full restart?
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• 1716[15:51:44] <iflema> nix64bit: restart?
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• 1750[16:12:45] <DankKid> hi how do i get to console and exits xserver in order for me to install nvidia driver? normally its ALT+F2
• 1751[16:13:35] <fpat> might have to hold SHIFT aswell - SHIFT+ALT+F2
• 1752[16:14:35] <DankKid> does not work im on gnome
• 1753[16:14:57] <dvs> no, it's CTRL-ALT-F2
• 1754[16:15:07] <fpat> oops, sorry
• 1755[16:15:18] <DankKid> I tried but terminal does not pop up, only black screen
• 1756[16:15:56] <dvs> not even CTRL-ALT-F1
• 1757[16:16:12] <DankKid> just opens another xserver
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• 1759[16:16:46] <DankKid> brb
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• 1764[16:21:02] <dvs> oh noes
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• 1775[16:27:32] <DankKid> any one who can help me?
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• 1777[16:28:27] <blackflow> DankKid: why do you think you need to change tty to install nvidia?
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• 1779[16:28:44] <blackflow> and ctrl+alt+Fx where x is the tty number, should work
• 1780[16:28:55] <DankKid> blackflow: it has to do with xserver must not run
• 1781[16:29:07] <DankKid> well it just goes black screen
• 1782[16:29:31] <blackflow> DankKid: never heard of that. been installing it from a running DE for years, no problem. it jsut builds and installs the files, you have to reboot for it to take effect.
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• 1785[16:30:36] <blackflow> but if you insist, the easiest way for "xserver" must not run is to reboot into the old "runlevel 3", by appending 3 to your kernel options from grub. there's a way to force systemd target through that too, but I don't know it.
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• 1790[16:31:27] <fpat> the runlevel change on debian does nothing
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• 1792[16:31:49] <blackflow> fpat: appending 3 to the kernel command line doesn't?
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• 1794[16:32:43] <blackflow> anyway, nvidia is quite installable from a running x11 environment.
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• 1800[16:34:09] <DankKid> wow
• 1801[16:34:21] <DankKid> thanks blackflow, i had no troubles installing it
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• 1804[16:35:44] <blackflow> DankKid: of course you now have to reboot to use it.
• 1805[16:35:53] <DankKid> yes, thanks
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• 1811[16:41:23] <DankKid> oh looks so damn clean now, wow
• 1812[16:41:33] <DankKid> well thanks for helping me sorting it out, l8rs
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• 1874[17:20:46] <fpat> now it cant be so hard to install these nvidia drivers. but "apt-get install -t stretch-backports nvidia-driver" results in several dependencies that cant be installed. (old laptop, GeForce 310M)
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• 1881[17:24:52] <annadane> !bat
• 1882[17:24:55] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1883[17:25:06] <annadane> fpat, ^
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• 1901[17:34:36] <fpat> annadane: thanks! i need to delay that and try again tomorrow
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• 1921[17:43:48] <jklaus> anyone here have a fire HD 8, 7th gen?
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• 1925[17:48:06] <RoyK> !ask | jklaus
• 1926[17:48:15] <RoyK> dpkg: tell jklaus about ask
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• 1930[17:50:10] <jklaus> @RoyK, I'm trying to figure out how to hack this turd
• 1931[17:50:34] <jklaus> I hate all the bloat where they put on this thing
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• 1933[17:51:10] <RoyK> jklaus: fine, but ask questions, please - if people asked to ask to ask to ask to … it'll be rather boring in here
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• 1935[17:52:15] <jklaus> I'm curious if I could make blank APKs of the same name as the amazon APKs and update or restore to those blank APKs
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• 1937[17:52:42] <jklaus> I'm not sure if there are any other checks in place or if it just goes off the apk name
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• 1952[18:02:46] <rant> jklaus: you're in the wrong channel, try #android
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• 1954[18:04:00] <jklaus> @rant, thanks - I found that one after posting
• 1955[18:04:06] <jklaus> not a whole lot of activity there though
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• 1958[18:05:16] * rant chirps like a cricket
• 1959[18:06:11] <fpat> wahey. i installed the nvidia driver the way we did this many years ago and it works
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• 1961[18:08:02] <blackflow> fpat: downloaded the nvidia's .run file and executed it?
• 1962[18:08:13] <fpat> haha, yep
• 1963[18:08:30] <blackflow> y u no use the deb?
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• 1965[18:08:58] <fpat> the backports package did not like me
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• 1967[18:09:47] <shtrb> fpat, you need to do some STD checks after running a .run
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• 1972[18:10:27] <mnuhmnuh> sexually transmitted disease?!?
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• 1974[18:10:38] <blackflow> yah
• 1975[18:10:52] <fpat> uh
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• 1978[18:14:18] <fpat> you mean virus scan?
• 1979[18:14:33] <shtrb> mnuhmnuh, using stuff unprotected can leave you in some shady state
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• 1981[18:15:27] <shtrb> fpat, I have a root CA to install for you if you like
• 1982[18:15:54] <fpat> then you are part of my "remote hands" team?
• 1983[18:16:08] <fpat> those guys who keep me in a padded cell?
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• 1985[18:16:57] <shtrb> I did not have any physical relation with fpat
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• 1987[18:17:21] <fpat> we are 100% virtual. yes ....
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• 1989[18:17:39] <blackflow> spirrrrrits in the rrrrrom tickle you like a sneaky prrrrrawn.
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• 1997[18:26:04] <KG7QEO> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DSYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR=/etc \-DLOCAL_STATE_DIR=/var ..
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• 2001[18:26:56] <KG7QEO> -- Reading versions file...
• 2002[18:26:56] <KG7QEO> -- SvxLink user = svxlink
• 2003[18:26:56] <KG7QEO> -- SvxLink group = daemon
• 2004[18:26:56] <KG7QEO> -- Could NOT find Opus (missing: Opus_LIBRARY Opus_INCLUDE_DIR)
• 2005[18:26:56] <KG7QEO> -- Opus is an optional dependency. The build will complete
• 2006[18:26:56] *** KG7QEO was kicked by debhelper (flood)
• 2007[18:27:14] <blackflow> srsly...
• 2008[18:27:43] <mnuhmnuh> !paste
• 2009[18:27:52] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 2010[18:27:58] * mnuhmnuh drat.
• 2011[18:28:12] <blackflow> 'sup with bot lately, been pretty delay-y.
• 2012[18:28:14] <annadane> i am patiently waiting for my mouse cursor to change appearance
• 2013[18:28:27] <annadane> appearance? appearence?
• 2014[18:28:30] <annadane> i think the former
• 2015[18:28:43] <blackflow> just think of the fruit :)
• 2016[18:28:46] <shtrb> you can change the theme
• 2017[18:28:48] <mnuhmnuh> bouncing bunny cursor?
• 2018[18:29:01] <annadane> no, like, i have joints and parts off
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• 2020[18:29:11] <annadane> so i just hover over KG's name and wait for them to come back
• 2021[18:29:27] <rant> well, dpkg has been having issues, I've told dondelelcaro several times though idk if he's been around to look into it
• 2022[18:29:40] <annadane> considering there was no context i assume they're not coming back
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• 2024[18:30:20] <blackflow> !botsnack
• 2025[18:30:30] <dpkg> blackflow: :)
• 2026[18:30:32] <blackflow> poor thing.
• 2027[18:30:42] <annadane> !paste
• 2028[18:30:52] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 2029[18:30:55] <annadane> KG7QEO, ^
• 2030[18:31:27] <KG7QEO> hi
• 2031[18:31:46] <DannyFritz> I'm running Firefox on Debian testing, how do I update the Adobe Flash plugin for Firefox?
• 2032[18:32:10] <annadane> ,v firefox
• 2033[18:32:11] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 61.0-1; experimental: 62.0~b3-1
• 2034[18:32:12] <KG7QEO> replaced-url
• 2035[18:32:23] <mnuhmnuh> irc doesn't like multi-line pastes; they're interpreted as flooding, aka bad.
• 2036[18:32:29] <annadane> DannyFritz, firefox-esr or firefox from mozilla's site?
• 2037[18:32:33] <KG7QEO> sry
• 2038[18:32:38] <shtrb> DannyFritz, flash is getting to a better world
• 2039[18:32:39] <KG7QEO> replaced-url
• 2040[18:33:02] <DannyFritz> *** 61.0.1-1 100 - 100 replaced-url
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• 2042[18:33:14] <DannyFritz> from `apt-cache policy firefox`
• 2043[18:33:19] * mnuhmnuh i thought we'd finally killed flash.
• 2044[18:33:24] <annadane> KG7QEO, as it says See also "/home/dj/Desktop/svxlink-maint/src/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeOutput.log".
• 2045[18:33:48] <DannyFritz> oh, unstable, not testing. i see
• 2046[18:34:32] <blackflow> DannyFritz: if you _really_ had to use flash, I'd recommend you run chromium and pepperflash-plugin thing. the adobe's plugin for linux is nothing you can trust to be patched for secvulns.
• 2047[18:34:53] <DannyFritz> yeah, i was seeing that when googling unfortunately
• 2048[18:35:03] <DannyFritz> my security cameras and hbonow seem to want an updated flash. :\
• 2049[18:35:04] <shtrb> DannyFritz, maybe a vm would be safer
• 2050[18:35:18] <annadane> security cameras???????? flash???
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• 2052[18:35:20] <annadane> ugh
• 2053[18:35:26] <DannyFritz> yeah, netgear's arlo cameras
• 2054[18:35:42] <DannyFritz> are using flash for the live video. isn't required to view recordings or anything else
• 2055[18:35:47] <blackflow> definitely a VM... you do not want to run a browser with the plugin ready to be exec'd on random sites.
• 2056[18:36:03] <DannyFritz> to be fair, firefox doesn't exec it unless you click allow
• 2057[18:36:10] <shtrb> your malware cam should be in its own physucal network
• 2058[18:36:31] <blackflow> annadane: not only that, the "security" cameras usually come with a nice set of backdoors and root:root access.
• 2059[18:36:48] <DannyFritz> they are on their own physical network
• 2060[18:36:49] <shtrb> didn't I just said use a dedicated network for it ?
• 2061[18:37:05] <blackflow> wasn't that 1.5TB DDoS that OVH got hit last year with, made possible by a botnet of hacked security cameras?
• 2062[18:37:08] <shtrb> DannyFritz, the network shuold be disconnected
• 2063[18:37:09] <KG7QEO> replaced-url
• 2064[18:37:17] <KG7QEO> annadane, replaced-url
• 2065[18:37:32] <mnuhmnuh> IoT == botnet Elysium.
• 2066[18:37:49] <blackflow> well.... S in IoT stands for Security.
• 2067[18:37:54] <fpat> fear
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• 2069[18:38:08] <annadane> KG7QEO, what are you actually trying to compile
• 2070[18:38:32] <rant> ,i svxlink
• 2071[18:38:33] <judd> No package named 'svxlink' was found in stretch/amd64.
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• 2073[18:38:39] <KG7QEO> replaced-url
• 2074[18:38:53] <shtrb> fpat, a flash needed cam is like running a .run from a pastebin with sudo
• 2075[18:38:54] <KG7QEO> ham radio VOIP - need to connect to a reapater
• 2076[18:39:07] <KG7QEO> i am traveling and broke mt handheld
• 2077[18:39:08] <shtrb> svlink is closed source
• 2078[18:39:15] <shtrb> also , it's not really voip
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• 2080[18:39:19] <KG7QEO> i need to reach a local ham radio guy
• 2081[18:39:22] <rant> ,i svxlink-server
• 2082[18:39:23] <judd> Package svxlink-server (hamradio, optional) in stretch/amd64: Voice-over-IP server for ham radio operators. Version: 15.11-2; Size: 589.4k; Installed: 2469k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2138[19:19:05] <tap> hellp
• 2139[19:19:09] <tap> hello*
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• 2141[19:19:44] <kirk781> Hello
• 2142[19:19:52] <rant> olleh
• 2143[19:19:52] <tap> how are you kirk
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• 2145[19:20:12] <kirk781> Apart from the bluetooth issues with my system, great
• 2146[19:20:27] <tap> i am very new to linux, still figuring eveything out
• 2147[19:20:40] <tap> thought i'd hop in here and see who's online
• 2148[19:20:44] <rant> if it weren;t for bt issues, you'd have no bt at all :P
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• 2150[19:21:37] <kirk781> tap,what distro are you on?
• 2151[19:22:10] <kirk781> rant, I don't feel I am using linux until the issues force me to bang my head against the wal
• 2152[19:22:14] <tap> i installed mint on my laptop, kali in a VM currently
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• 2154[19:22:53] <rant> tap: you're totally in the wrong place.. this is not a social channel, its a support channel for Debian Stable, you want #kali-linux or #mint
• 2155[19:23:04] <tap> thanks!
• 2156[19:23:10] <tap> i'll move on over there
• 2157[19:23:15] <kirk781> Mint is a great entry distro[though most people I know entered via Ubuntu]. I know one guy who thought installing Kali would mean 'hacking' his neighbours wifi
• 2158[19:23:42] * rant has hacked neighbors wifi with Debian :P
• 2159[19:23:54] <tap> end goal for me is learning pen testing for work, that's why I went with Kali in a vm. but wanted a better linux understanding overall first
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• 2161[19:24:15] <shtrb> rant, you monster !
• 2162[19:24:16] <rant> sidthekid1984 isn't a secure wifi password :P
• 2163[19:24:27] <kirk781> As again, it's about the person more than the distro. rant, was the neighbour not on WPA?
• 2164[19:24:34] <rant> yes it was WPA
• 2165[19:24:46] <rant> WPA2-psk
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• 2168[19:25:59] <rant> only took a couple hours on a first gen Atom netbook to crack that password
• 2169[19:26:54] <rant> use upper/lowercase, numbers AND symbols in your passwords :P then even 8-12 chars is plenty :P
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• 2179[19:30:40] <pdf> Can someone tell me if I have the right website for installing Debian stable? replaced-url
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• 2183[19:32:39] <shtrb> that's a mirror , you can use cdimage to get already built images
• 2184[19:32:46] <shtrb> !cdimage
• 2185[19:32:50] <dpkg> [iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at replaced-url
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• 2187[19:33:02] <shtrb> pdf ^
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• 2190[19:34:42] <mnuhmnuh> pdf: you can just "cp blah.iso /dev/sdN" where sdN == a usbkey. tell your bios to boot off usbkey, and you're off.
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• 2192[19:35:47] <blackflow> always checksum first.
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• 2195[19:37:23] <mnuhmnuh> pdf: looking at that, i guess it helps to have a linux box already usable to do it, but there's ways.
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• 2197[19:38:49] * mnuhmnuh i like the starbucks method. offer to buy someone a latte if they'll burn you a dvd.
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• 2201[19:41:13] <shtrb> lol
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• 2203[19:41:15] <pdf> cp blah.io is the location on the net of linux?
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• 2205[19:41:40] <mnuhmnuh> no, just an example .iso name.
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• 2207[19:41:49] <mnuhmnuh> see cdimage ^^^
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• 2243[20:03:52] <pdf> mnuhmnuh was the command you gave me an ftp command? "cp blah.iso /dev/sdN" where sdN == a usbkey.
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• 2248[20:07:20] <mnuhmnuh> pdf: no. you point a web browser at replaced-url
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• 2252[20:08:32] <blackflow> always checksum first.
• 2253[20:08:33] <fpat> he wants to install linux. means he got no way to "cp" :)
• 2254[20:09:03] <fpat> pdf: you need a program to burn the *.iso file to your pendrive
• 2255[20:09:07] <mnuhmnuh> pdf, eg. i found debian-9.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso in there _somewhere_ but maybe you want a different one? some come w non-free hardware support blobs.
• 2256[20:09:08] <blackflow> there's things like windd or something
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• 2258[20:10:16] <blackflow> pdf: are you doing this from another installation of Linux, from Windows, or from some irrelevant OS like whatsitcalled... osx.
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• 2268[20:14:32] <mnuhmnuh> blackflow: fpat's correct, they're not using linux to do this. i keep forgetting ...
• 2269[20:14:48] <pdf> Is this location ok replaced-url
• 2270[20:15:02] <mnuhmnuh> hurray!
• 2271[20:15:20] <blackflow> mnuhmnuh: dunno. "And what command I need to use to make an install disk?" using word "command" kinda implied linux imho. A windows user wouldn't ask for command.
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• 2307[20:31:42] <pdf> backflow> I am doing this from POP_OS! with gnome
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• 2310[20:33:16] <pdf> Does it make any difference if I use the file debian-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso vs firmware.9-5-0-amd64-netinst.iso ???
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• 2314[20:34:54] <mnuhmnuh> pdf: for wifi, i'd go with the firmware ver.
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• 2322[20:40:41] <pdf> mnuhmnuh> I have already downloaded it to my laptop, but having trouble getting it copied to the memory stick. I did follow the command that was suggested earlier cp blah.iso /dev/sdN
• 2323[20:41:23] <mnuhmnuh> pdf: what os (win*, osx, ...) are you using to do this?
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• 2329[20:47:18] <mnuhmnuh> pdf: note that "/dev/sdN" needs to be changed to the correct one for you, as in /dev/sdc or /dev/sdh or ... and be careful there! don't want to shoot yourself in the foot.
• 2330[20:47:39] <pdf> mnuhmnuh> POP!_OS and gnome which is Ubuntu with a label.
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• 2332[20:48:19] <mnuhmnuh> phew. good.
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• 2334[20:49:23] <pdf> mnuhmnuh> I was planning on creating a directory on the memory stick and mounting it, but having trouble doing
• 2335[20:49:45] <mnuhmnuh> plug in the usbkey, note what the os says it is when you do so, then "cp /path/to/firmware.9-5-0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdWHATEVERITIS"
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• 2337[20:50:37] <mnuhmnuh> no, you want the iso to go to the dev, not a partition on the device.
• 2338[20:50:56] <mnuhmnuh> if you want to boot it.
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• 2355[20:55:41] <owl_tech> Hello there. Please, test it build with Python and Django. A goal planning. Greetings! replaced-url
• 2356[20:56:43] <mnuhmnuh> is that spam?
• 2357[20:57:17] <owl_tech> no, no, it is just a system, a social network that i am trying to make
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• 2359[20:57:33] <owl_tech> the objetive is give a tools to planning the goals or objetivos
• 2360[20:57:36] <owl_tech> objetives
• 2361[20:58:22] <mnuhmnuh> this is the debian linux support channel. does that have anything to do with debian support?
• 2362[20:58:30] <rant> its spam, it was posted simultaneously in #freenode
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• 2364[20:59:13] <owl_tech> rant: i'm sorry...just looking for opinion...
• 2365[20:59:20] * mnuhmnuh just driving a stake into its heart.
• 2366[20:59:20] <owl_tech> my mistake
• 2367[20:59:29] <owl_tech> i'm sorry
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• 2370[20:59:51] <pdf> mnuhmnuh> I can't see my memory stick with fdisk. Only partitions are showing up for the ssd that is in my laptop.
• 2371[21:00:15] <jskapata> Is it possible to edit user locale categories, for example, in LC_TIME, edit only first_weekday, only for the user?
• 2372[21:00:23] <rant> owl_tech: yes its hard to get that kinda support on a new project but you're going about it all wrong.. post on forums or something, that kinda behavior will only get you banned from this network
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• 2374[21:00:56] <mnuhmnuh> pdf: you don't want or need ptns on the stick. just run that cp i last mentioned, and reboot. :-)
• 2375[21:02:03] <pdf> mnuhmnuh> ok
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• 2378[21:03:01] <mnuhmnuh> pdf: the iso is already all set up in its own ptn. you just need to get that to the key, and reboot.
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• 2382[21:04:09] <mnuhmnuh> pdf: just like a bootable cd/dvd, just diff. media. much simpler to work with.
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• 2387[21:07:16] * mnuhmnuh gahd, it must be tough bein' a noob today, not having grown up w this stuff.
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• 2391[21:09:11] <rant> idk, it was a whole lot harder 10, 15, 20 years ago.. its pretty easy now
• 2392[21:09:52] <RoyK> hehe - I started out with linux in 1994 before internet was common ;)
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• 2396[21:10:45] <rant> yeah well back then you not only didnt have all this online support, but binary distros, default WIDHE compliant configs, etc was all not a thing
• 2397[21:10:59] <rant> it was way harder back in the day
• 2398[21:11:10] <RoyK> slackware 2.1 iirc
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• 2400[21:11:19] <RoyK> kernel 1.1.59
• 2401[21:11:23] <RoyK> not very stable
• 2402[21:11:23] <mnuhmnuh> rant: once you get the gui working, it's easy, but not knowing cp? not knowing that cp iso --> usbkey == bootable?
• 2403[21:11:41] <rant> yeah their idea of package was just a gzipped tarball :P
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• 2405[21:12:07] <RoyK> rant: that was the stuff at the time - borrowed from bsd
• 2406[21:12:29] <RoyK> we didn't have usb back then ;)
• 2407[21:12:57] <rant> linux still supported i386 and ran on floppies :P
• 2408[21:13:00] <mnuhmnuh> RoyK: no, everything was tarball back then, or cpio.
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• 2412[21:13:25] <rant> iso weren't even a thing really yet
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• 2415[21:13:33] <RoyK> cpio came before tar - cpio is ancient
• 2416[21:14:06] * RoyK actually had a cdrom drive at tht time - 2x
• 2417[21:14:22] <rant> yeah cdROM not cdrw
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• 2419[21:14:43] <mnuhmnuh> afio is an *excellent* replacement for cpio; use any compression algo you please.
• 2420[21:15:00] <RoyK> but then - with a 14400bps modem - no luck in downloading an ISO that would fill up half your drive :)
• 2421[21:15:28] * ardualabs twitches
• 2422[21:15:35] <rant> half? heh.. my first 286 had like 20MB hdd
• 2423[21:15:44] <ardualabs> <--- downloaded SLS off of a fidonet bbs @ 9600 :(
• 2424[21:15:59] <rant> I'd have needed 30 of em to even fit an ISO in pieces
• 2425[21:16:00] <mnuhmnuh> ardualabs: i did.
• 2426[21:16:00] <RoyK> rant: well, my first disk was 120MB, my second was 210
• 2427[21:16:04] <ardualabs> kernel 0.99pl12
• 2428[21:16:10] <mnuhmnuh> 41 floppies.
• 2429[21:16:14] <RoyK> we're getting #debian-offtopic here
• 2430[21:16:36] <ardualabs> Right, sorry.
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• 2433[21:17:49] <mnuhmnuh> RoyK: well, slack wass created because sls sucked, and debian was created because slack was too not stable, but i'll bow out.
• 2434[21:19:07] <arquim3desco> Hi everybody, after trying to make a few things with my sinaptics settings, and by error I've removed an essential package that handles all the user input keyboard. I've removed the pacakge xserver-xorg-input-libinput is there anyway I can reinstall the package using a recovery or something similar ?
• 2435[21:19:30] <ardualabs> ctrl-alt-f1
• 2436[21:19:34] <ardualabs> log into a text consol
• 2437[21:19:44] <ardualabs> sudo apt install ${missing-thing}
• 2438[21:19:45] <arquim3desco> not I'm unable to do that
• 2439[21:19:56] <arquim3desco> it doesn't respond to keys
• 2440[21:20:16] <arquim3desco> I unable to use the keyboard
• 2441[21:20:20] <ardualabs> Reboot into advanced/recovery
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• 2444[21:20:40] <themill> or ssh in from another machine
• 2445[21:20:50] <arquim3desco> Is my personal laptop
• 2446[21:21:32] <arquim3desco> hmmm when I reboot in recovery mode
• 2447[21:21:40] <arquim3desco> it happends the same thing :S
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• 2449[21:22:08] <arquim3desco> I'm wondering if it's there any possibility to install package using a recovery iso
• 2450[21:22:15] <ardualabs> Well, the key thing here is to avoid X11 if that's really where the input thing is coming from
• 2451[21:22:18] <arquim3desco> and then using something like chroot
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• 2455[21:22:36] <ardualabs> s/thing/problem/
• 2456[21:22:41] <arquim3desco> I understand
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• 2458[21:23:02] <arquim3desco> So If I restart in advance recovery mode
• 2459[21:23:02] <ardualabs> So you're having the no-keyboard problem in text as well?
• 2460[21:23:08] <arquim3desco> It won't need X11 ?
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• 2464[21:23:53] <arquim3desco> because that's the thing, that package belongs to X11
• 2465[21:24:08] <ardualabs> Yes?
• 2466[21:24:21] <ardualabs> That's why you install the package via a command line tool from a text console.
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• 2472[21:26:33] <ardualabs> I guess before you go too crazy - I'm surprised the package manager let you rip that one out - do you know if that's the only thing that got pulled?
• 2473[21:27:42] <ardualabs> I don't even have a xserver-xorg-libinput :/
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• 2483[21:29:08] <ardualabs> But if I try to pull out xserver-xorg-input-libinput, it tries to wipe my desktop enfironment tasks
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• 2486[21:29:31] <ardualabs> So if you actually said yes, you might have more than a few packages to fix up
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• 2489[21:30:24] * ardualabs carefully tells apt "no" to the prompt :D
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• 2495[21:37:58] <arquim3desco> hmmm thank you for the suggestion @ardualabs
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• 2497[21:38:13] <arquim3desco> I will try to do that
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• 2499[21:38:25] <arquim3desco> and I'll go back
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• 2583[22:31:41] <pantato> I can't get debian to boot in legacy mode. Please help
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• 2585[22:32:00] <pantato> it just sits at an empty prompt
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• 2587[22:32:45] <jskapata> Can I edit locale category elements individually, only for a user?
• 2588[22:32:52] <blackflow> pantato: legacy mode? like, bios boot as opposed to EFI?
• 2589[22:33:45] <pantato> blackflow: yes.
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• 2592[22:33:58] <pantato> legacy oprom
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• 2594[22:34:28] <blackflow> pantato: was it installed for bios boot, or are you talking about the installer iso/usb/cd not booting?
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• 2596[22:34:46] <pantato> blackflow: it was installed that way
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• 2598[22:34:55] <blackflow> jskapata: I think you can export individual LC_ vars for login sessions in shell rc files
• 2599[22:35:06] <pantato> blackflow: I think. I booted into the usb installer in bios mode just fine. I installed it . I had uefi mode disabled in the bios
• 2600[22:35:30] <blackflow> pantato: installed, rebooted and poof, nothing happens?
• 2601[22:35:38] <pantato> blackflow: exactly
• 2602[22:35:49] <blackflow> pantato: does grub menu appear at all?
• 2603[22:35:53] <pantato> blackflow: no
• 2604[22:36:02] <pantato> just an empty prompt.
• 2605[22:36:14] <pantato> empty screen with a flashing cursor, rather
• 2606[22:36:40] <blackflow> pantato: in the installer, where did you select grub to install?
• 2607[22:36:48] <pantato> I have windows 8.1 installed on an nvme drive, debian installed on an hdd on sata0
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• 2609[22:37:10] <blackflow> so, /dev/sda?
• 2610[22:37:11] <pantato> blackflow: on the HDD. I do not want to install grub on the master boot record where I have windows installed on the nvme drive
• 2611[22:37:14] <pantato> yes
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• 2613[22:37:30] <jskapata> Yes, I can, but LC_* vars change all elements for each category. For example, LC_TIME changes all options related to time. I need to change options individually, for example, only first_day.
• 2614[22:37:33] <blackflow> using two separate drives for this is good idea, that's least hassle for multi-booting.
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• 2618[22:38:26] <blackflow> pantato: anyway, other than choosing wrong grub location (eg. /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda) I'm out of ideas. Assuming you selected correct drive from bios boot selection menu. And grub would bark out an error message if it had trouble finding root or samthing, at least iirc
• 2619[22:38:28] <pantato> blackflow: yes. I am trying to get gpu passthrough to work on debian so I can free myself of the windows cage. Hence why I have debian installed on an hdd so i can work out the kinks before i install it on an ssd.
• 2620[22:39:02] <blackflow> jskapata: oh, that I wouldn't know, sorry.
• 2621[22:39:06] <pantato> blackflow: yesh it's really frustrating. I'm gonna try taking my nvme drive out of my machine to see if that makes a difference but I really shouldn't have to
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• 2623[22:39:23] <jskapata> thank you
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• 2626[22:41:29] <blackflow> jskapata: see if this helps: replaced-url
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• 2629[22:42:05] <blackflow> it suggests it'd be possible to copy the locale file to user's ~/ and edit stuff there, which I'd guess would be the way to achieve what you want.
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• 2637[22:45:42] <moonstroller25> Anyone got a fix for loose mini-plug connection on pi? Using a Canakit PSU.
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• 2643[22:48:26] <jskapata> He only edited the file in his home, but moved the file to a system directory.
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• 2690[23:09:31] <pantato> blackflow: soo i took out the nvme with windows, put the usb installer in, went into rescue mode, reinstalled grub on the hdd. Now I'm finally in. I don't know why, but i think there's a bug with the debian installer if you try and install grub on anything other than the "first harddrive"
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• 2694[23:10:32] <blackflow> pantato: I'm using debootstrapt lately and I forgot how the installer looks. is it "first harddrive" or is it literally "/dev/sda" and similar?
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• 2696[23:12:01] <pantato> blackflow: it detects windows on my nvme drive, asks me if i want to install grub on that harddrive referring to it as "the first"
• 2697[23:12:03] <blackflow> because if that happened what oyu say, did you just break the mbr of the nvme?
• 2698[23:12:10] <pantato> I say "no", then select /dev/sda instead
• 2699[23:12:14] <pantato> then it just doesn't boot
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• 2702[23:12:28] <pantato> blackflow: nope, i'm not touching it
• 2703[23:12:44] <pantato> blackflow: although it does givem e a strange error when i boot into windows afterwards prompting me to "continue my debian install"
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• 2706[23:13:03] <pantato> then i just continue booting into windows and it's fine after that
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• 2717[23:15:08] <blackflow> yeah I think you borked the mbr or what windows has these days. maybe windows will autocorrect, I hear it does.
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