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• 44[00:20:05] <borrougagnou> Hi ! how to join #debian-next ?
• 45[00:20:29] <borrougagnou> He say me I can't join because I'm not invited...
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• 48[00:21:29] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 49[00:21:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 51[00:21:32] <petn-randall> borrougagnou: ^^^
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• 54[00:21:51] <ksk> not the first one today ;)
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• 58[00:22:07] <borrougagnou> ha ! OFTC... mb...
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• 60[00:22:35] <borrougagnou> but I have another error on OFTC :)
• 61[00:22:44] <borrougagnou> like this: "#debian-next Cannot join channel (Need to be identified and verified to join this channel, '/msg NickServ help' to learn how to register and verify.)"
• 62[00:22:54] <borrougagnou> I need to create another account
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• 65[00:23:29] <ksk> yeah thats true. there was a spamwave recently on the irc networks and I think this countermeasure is still in place..
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• 100[00:54:05] <petn-randall> hi Old_Dog
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• 188[01:53:59] <badcode> Hi, fresh debian install done with few additions, whats good? any tips on security related "stuff to do" next?
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• 194[01:56:06] <kryo_> @rwp finally got it working :)
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• 203[02:01:22] <ksk> badcode: welcome to debian.
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• 205[02:01:32] <ksk> security is rather a concept, than a programm you install.
• 206[02:01:52] <ksk> !tell badcode about handbook
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• 210[02:03:03] <ksk> I think the debian handbook is always a good starting point (A bot just messaged you, maybe in another window). Apart from that I can advise that you read and do not type any commands you do not fully understand - because if you have an internet facing computer you cannot only harm you bot others ;)
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• 219[02:10:28] <ksk> kryo_: how did you solve it?
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• 221[02:10:45] <kryo_> oh, just reinstalled and didnt run into the issue again
• 222[02:10:52] <kryo_> very strange
• 223[02:11:00] <kryo_> still idk what caused it
• 224[02:11:10] <kryo_> ended up having to apt get lvm2 mdadm
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• 226[02:11:35] <kryo_> so that grub/initramfs could find the root volume since root was in the lvm
• 227[02:11:59] <kryo_> no /boot partition necessary
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• 231[02:14:05] <ksk> you have no boot partition? Is it just on / then?
• 232[02:14:47] <ksk> but yeah, checking that LVM works is a thing I guess.
• 233[02:15:00] <ksk> can be confusing if you dont have it somehow.
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• 314[03:01:08] <JordiGH> I think nouveau keeps crashing my laptop (hard freeze, hard reset). Is there any way to debug this?
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• 338[03:22:19] <zumba_addict> Hi all. I'll be switching to Debian 9.6. DigitalOcean doesn't have 9.7. Does the apt tool in 9.6 safe from the recent vulnerability?
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• 340[03:24:27] <JordiGH> Can't you just point sources.list to a different debian repo?
• 341[03:25:01] <rant> zumba_addict: no
• 342[03:25:27] <zumba_addict> just to confirm, the apt in 9.6 is vulnerable?
• 343[03:25:42] <rant> zumba_addict yes
• 344[03:25:42] <ksk> I would think not?
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• 346[03:25:51] <ksk> oh, nvm.
• 347[03:25:52] <zumba_addict> ok, I guess it's an easy update
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• 349[03:26:26] <rant> if it weren't there would not be a 9.7 we dont just push out version numbers to treat shiny new shit syndrome
• 350[03:26:50] <ksk> lol okay, I did not now that. was just wondering right now..
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• 354[03:27:40] <karlpinc> zumba_addict: Digital ocean has 9.7. You just install whatever and upgrade.
• 355[03:28:05] <zumba_addict> I'm in the Rebuild right now. I only see 9.6 as the choice
• 356[03:28:09] <karlpinc> zumba_addict: Comes right out of the stock digital ocean sources.list.
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• 358[03:28:36] <karlpinc> zumba_addict: Just 'apt update; apt upgrade' after install.
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• 360[03:28:48] <zumba_addict> Maybe I should not rebuilt. I shout destroy my droplet and recreate droplet from scratch
• 361[03:28:51] <zumba_addict> oh got it
• 362[03:28:55] <zumba_addict> cool
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• 364[03:29:05] <zumba_addict> that's faster since it's already up and running
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• 366[03:29:37] <karlpinc> zumba_addict: All I can say is that I'm looking at a digital ocean debian 9 right now and it's running 9.7.
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• 368[03:29:55] <karlpinc> zumba_addict: It's gone through a number of point release upgrades.
• 369[03:29:57] <ksk> might be they didn't update their base images yet.
• 370[03:30:06] <zumba_addict> got it
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• 372[03:30:54] <zumba_addict> this is what I see only - replaced-url
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• 379[03:32:22] <JordiGH> Oh well, guess I'll just install non-free crap.
• 380[03:32:27] * JordiGH shakes fist at nvidia.
• 381[03:32:45] <JordiGH> I bought this laptop secondhand and the seller didn't know that it had an nvidia card.
• 382[03:33:03] <JordiGH> Dammit, nouveau works so well, I just wish I could fix that crashyness.
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• 384[03:34:49] <zumba_addict> looks like it didn't work - replaced-url
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• 386[03:35:49] <zumba_addict> cat /proc/version output - Linux version 4.9.0-8-amd64 (debian-kernel@replaced-ip) (gcc version 6.3.0 20170516 (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) ) #1 SMP Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27)
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• 389[03:36:25] <rant> my uncle is doing well, if only we could fix that deadiness..
• 390[03:36:45] <JordiGH> rant: It's a very particular problem with nouveau.
• 391[03:36:52] <JordiGH> There's a certain thing that crashes it.
• 392[03:36:58] <JordiGH> On this system, anyway.
• 393[03:37:03] <JordiGH> 11 year old laptop.
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• 395[03:37:36] <JordiGH> I can repro it easily, but sometimes I do it accidentally (it involves a certain compiz action).
• 396[03:37:36] <rant> was a certain thing that killed my uncle too.. we tried to get him to just not use his brain.. but it didnt work
• 397[03:37:48] <JordiGH> Well, your uncle can't be bugfixed.
• 398[03:37:51] <JordiGH> Nouveau can be.
• 399[03:37:53] <JordiGH> If only I knew how.
• 400[03:38:05] <JordiGH> I wonder how do the nouveau devs work.
• 401[03:38:10] <JordiGH> Where do you even gather debug information?
• 402[03:38:33] <JordiGH> zumba_addict: I still don't get why you can't just point sources.list somewhere else.
• 403[03:38:58] <zumba_addict> I'm reading this now JordiGH - replaced-url
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• 408[03:43:53] <jmcnaught> zumba_addict: did you try using the commands in the security advisory? You should only need to change sources.list if your current sources rely on redirects. replaced-url
• 409[03:44:21] <JordiGH> Aha: replaced-url
• 410[03:44:23] <zumba_addict> I also wanted to update to 9.7
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• 412[03:44:54] <jmcnaught> zumba_addict: you will be upgraded to 9.7 following those instructions
• 413[03:45:02] <zumba_addict> cool
• 414[03:45:04] <zumba_addict> thank you
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• 419[03:45:58] <jmcnaught> zumba_addict: though now I just took a look at your paste and it looks like you have either messed up your sources.list, so maybe also look at the examples on replaced-url
• 420[03:46:10] <zumba_addict> hmm, still failed when I ran `apt -o Acquire::http::AllowRedirect=false upgrade`
• 421[03:46:35] <jmcnaught> it's not clear why you have the word ubuntu in your sources
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• 424[03:46:45] <zumba_addict> Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 425[03:47:18] <zumba_addict> Maybe because in DigitalOcean, I picked Rebuild rather than creating a new droplet(server)
• 426[03:47:43] <zumba_addict> Since I've wasted so much time trying to figure it out, I'll destroy this droplet and build a new droplet
• 427[03:48:06] <jmcnaught> i don't know what digital ocean means by "rebuild" but starting fresh sounds like a good idea
• 428[03:48:16] <zumba_addict> yup
• 429[03:48:28] <zumba_addict> I had a hunch something will be weird
• 430[03:48:31] <zumba_addict> :D
• 431[03:50:07] <badcode> installed 9.7 today, its a much faster and quiter distro iv tried.
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• 433[03:51:06] <LtL> zumba_addict: your sources.list must be a wreck, as far as i can tell.
• 434[03:51:21] <zumba_addict> yup, I've destroyed the vps
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• 436[03:51:22] <zumba_addict> :D
• 437[03:52:08] <zumba_addict> it's being created as I type
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• 439[03:52:17] <zumba_addict> it's created
• 440[03:52:28] <zumba_addict> I can't believe it's faster than AWS
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• 443[03:53:56] <badcode> are you running LVM ?
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• 445[03:54:12] <badcode> its a first for me.
• 446[03:54:28] <badcode> not complaining yet :p
• 447[03:54:36] <zumba_addict> sources.list looks good now
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• 455[03:56:06] <JordiGH> Man, the acceleration with the blob is *worse* than with nouveau.
• 456[03:56:18] <JordiGH> I guess I'll have to try to diagnose.
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• 458[03:56:48] <zumba_addict> wow - base-files/stable 9.9+deb9u7 amd64 [upgradable from: 9.9+deb9u6]
• 459[03:57:37] <zumba_addict> lsb_release now shows 9.7 but not sure what that 9.9 is
• 460[03:57:41] <LtL> zumba_addict: that's the point release.
• 461[03:57:47] <zumba_addict> gotcha
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• 463[03:58:30] <zumba_addict> so I'm currently in apt 1.4.9, is this good version or vulnerable?
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• 466[03:58:52] <zumba_addict> ah it's fixed
• 467[03:58:58] <zumba_addict> replaced-url
• 468[03:59:06] <LtL> it was just the base-files package that made 9.7 and yes 1.4.9 apt is fixed
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• 470[03:59:21] <zumba_addict> thanks for all the help :)
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• 502[04:23:47] <amdj> How can I mark a package as "successfully installed" with apt/dpkg? grub-install is failing on Mint because it's incorrectly invoking efibootmgr(8), but grub itself did install (and works with `grub-install --no-nvram').. I just want to stop e.g. `apt-get -f' from trying to "fix" the grub-efi-amd64-signed package every time, even though it's not broken.
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• 504[04:24:08] <SlidingHorn> amdj: it's not a debian issue either, it's a mint issue
• 505[04:24:14] <SlidingHorn> ,derivatives
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• 507[04:24:25] <dvs> !derivatives
• 508[04:24:25] <dpkg> i heard derivatives is <Knoppix>, <Ubuntu>, <Libranet>, <Corel>/<Xandros>, <Stormix>, <Progeny>, <Linspire>, <DamnSmallLinux>, <Kurumin>, <Agnula>, <Xebian> and many others, or see replaced-url
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• 510[04:24:40] <amdj> I'm not asking for support with the issue, I'm asking how to work around it.
• 511[04:24:59] <SlidingHorn> amdj: and you should ask that in *your* distro's channel.
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• 513[04:25:05] <SlidingHorn> just like you were told in #ubuntu
• 514[04:25:11] <amdj> which I can't join because it's invite-only
• 515[04:25:31] <amdj> and their bugzilla is dead
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• 518[04:25:56] <jmcnaught> !mint
• 519[04:25:56] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 520[04:26:10] <jmcnaught> amdj: their IRC channel is on a different network than freenode ^^
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• 522[04:27:22] <amdj> oh.
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• 525[04:28:10] <cryptodan> amdj: there is one at ##linuxmint here are freenode that is unofficial
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• 527[04:30:46] <Tom-_> amdj, yes, and you are welcome in both channels
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• 817[08:39:35] <badcode> working on my debian, started at 297mb now soon 10 gig used and not one error message yet. Docker and some python next on the list and presume I will get some soon :p my goal is to setup a security \ defence system or something like that lol. have anyone fiddled with such?
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• 845[09:06:16] <rant> badcode: its unclear what you're asking.. the first part sounds as though you are unable to pin down large amount of disk usage, the second part sounds like you're asking vague questions about setting up some sort of network security or something
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• 870[09:30:07] <marz_d`ghostman> How do I trace what gateway my packets are being sent to when I ping ahost?
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• 872[09:30:50] <jpw> marz_d`ghostman: `ip route get [dest ip]`
• 873[09:31:08] <marz_d`ghostman> jpw: thanks
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• 894[09:39:41] <marz_d`ghostman> How can I debug something when the gateway can't be ping but anything in the other subnet can be?
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• 899[09:41:37] <jpw> that's likely the firewall rules blocking ICMP
• 900[09:41:54] <jpw> a trace on the firewall will reveal all
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• 908[09:45:20] <marz_d`ghostman> jpw: what utility can I use to trace firewall?
• 909[09:47:53] <FinalX> the firewall itself? with -j LOG
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• 918[09:54:53] <marz_d`ghostman> you mean iptables?
• 919[09:55:33] <marz_d`ghostman> I tried running arp ang the host with the specific address 10.x.x.x has HWaddress(incomplete), tcpdump has Request who-has 10.x.x.x tell 10.x.x.x length 28
• 920[09:55:46] <marz_d`ghostman> So I guess it's a problem pertianing to mac address resolution
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• 937[10:07:00] <dka> gmx refuse me to create any mailbox
• 938[10:07:17] <apollo13> seems rather offtopic for #debian
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• 952[10:12:20] <marz_d`ghostman> tcpdump -i eth1, how do I exclude dhcp traffic?
• 953[10:12:24] <marz_d`ghostman> sorry offtopic
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• 994[10:36:48] <shidima> I have a root partition on LVM, when I extend it grub cant find it any more. Do I need to regenerate grub config?
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• 1019[10:52:52] <shidima> Any on who can help with some lvm questions?
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• 1041[11:03:55] <versuchsanstalt> How can I pin the dependencies of package xyz release a=foo ?
• 1042[11:04:12] <Artej> Hello, I have trouble with pulseaudio, it is running but it doesn't seem to react to ~/.config/pulse/client.conf
• 1043[11:04:18] <versuchsanstalt> Not xyz, but its dependencies, too
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• 1048[11:07:32] <versuchsanstalt> At the moment, I am pinning a dependency, but I'd love to pin the package requesting it and all its dependencies. Is that possible?
• 1049[11:08:12] <shidima> I think you have to pin it per package
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• 1054[11:09:28] <versuchsanstalt> Its a configuration across multiple hosts which I'd like to be easy to understand from the config file, so being able to pin including deps would be easy to maintain and understand from the config file
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• 1057[11:09:57] <shidima> Debian wiki says: " When pinning, you must ensure compatibility of packages by yourself since Debian does not guarantee it"
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• 1060[11:10:22] <versuchsanstalt> shidima: thank you for your assesment
• 1061[11:10:30] <versuchsanstalt> s/es/ess/
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• 1063[11:12:11] <versuchsanstalt> It's perfectly understandable to not provide the feature I have in mind, sure
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• 1066[11:13:52] <shidima> If it is something you really need, then maybe it would be an idea to host your own repo?
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• 1068[11:15:13] <shidima> replaced-url
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• 1125[11:43:51] <Peanut> Hi, good morning. Is it possible to 'downgrade' a machine from 'testing' to 'stable' ? If so, what would be the steps to take?
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• 1128[11:44:25] <n4dir> Peanut: no.
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• 1130[11:44:57] <n4dir> the long answer: rumors say some had success, but it sure is a lot of work.
• 1131[11:45:21] <n4dir> if you run testing right now, just wait the few months till it is stable ...
• 1132[11:45:22] <Sveta> XL answer ? :)
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• 1137[11:46:21] <Peanut> One of the things that seem to have gone missing for us is python-astropy, does anyone know what the status of that would be?
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• 1139[11:47:46] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 1140[11:48:01] <bites> #919292
• 1141[11:48:13] <bites> meh. this. replaced-url
• 1142[11:48:45] <blackflow> Peanut: can you pip install it into a virtualenv?
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• 1147[11:49:43] <Peanut> bites: thanks for that link.
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• 1152[11:50:32] <Peanut> n4dir: Yes, that one - bites' link explains what is happening, and that we won't get the package back in all likelyhood.
• 1153[11:51:33] <n4dir> yeah, got it, hence the question mark, i only found the package, but ... too long explanation, doesn't really matter.
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• 1161[11:56:49] <Peanut> Thanks for the help, I'm urging the end-user to port his aplication to python3, let's see how that goes.
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• 1233[12:43:42] <Ingvix> hey, how should I proceed to get all samba shares available at nemo's network directory? It was working out of the box when I installed amd64 to another laptop but with my 32-bit laptop Windows Network directory is empty. So far I've installed samba-client and cifs-utils
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• 1235[12:44:31] <Ingvix> amd64 debian*
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• 1249[12:53:29] <Ingvix> Since in the 64bit debian all the shares were there without configuring each mounting, I'm assuming there's some trick to it other than mounting them all manually
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• 1286[13:12:38] <rant> Ingvix: is gvfs-fuse installed?
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• 1291[13:13:54] <Ingvix> rant, yes, it seems so
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• 1294[13:16:23] <rant> Ingvix: are you using Cinnamon on both systems?
• 1295[13:16:33] <Ingvix> rant, yes
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• 1298[13:17:10] <rant> Ingvix: both are stretch? just one is i386 and the other is amd64?
• 1299[13:17:57] <Ingvix> well on i385 I enabled testing repos as well but otherwise yes
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• 1302[13:19:36] <rant> Ingvix: enabled the testing repos? wth does that mean?
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• 1304[13:20:18] <Ingvix> uh, added them to repo list
• 1305[13:20:48] <rant> Ingvix: to what end? what did you do after that?
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• 1307[13:21:35] <Ingvix> pretty much upgraded everything that I was able
• 1308[13:21:54] <rant> so in other words its running Buster?
• 1309[13:22:11] <Ingvix> probably, I'm not clear with all the names
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• 1315[13:25:09] <rant> Ingvix: (cat /etc/debian_version;uname -r;dpkg -l base-files lsb-base libc6 systemd python perl)|nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1323[13:29:17] <Ingvix> rant, replaced-url
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• 1326[13:33:19] <rant> I am currently setting up an i386 VM and updating my buster VM to look more into this.. but right now I can tell you two things. you should not have done this to your sources.list and testing and unstable are not supported here.
• 1327[13:33:53] <Ingvix> I see...
• 1328[13:33:56] <rant> Ingvix: for continued support anywhere you need to either reinstall your system or remove the stretch sources and make sure you are fully upgraded to testing
• 1329[13:34:27] <rant> Ingvix: in a few moments I can check your output of those commands against a current buster/testing system more easily
• 1330[13:34:51] <rant> but preliminarily it looks like you are running buster
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• 1332[13:35:01] <Ingvix> I guess I'll go for testing
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• 1335[13:35:44] <rant> Ingvix: comment or remove the stretch lines from your sources.list and apt update. You will need to seek support for this in the future on irc.oftc.net in #debian-next until buster releases
• 1336[13:36:06] <rant> Ingvix: however I can still possibly look more into your issue if I can reproduce it in my VM
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• 1340[13:38:26] <Ingvix> Did that. All packages are up to date
• 1341[13:38:58] <rant> Ingvix: yes well those key core packages are all current with buster already.. having the stretch sources in there is just added confusion and will only slow your cache updates
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• 1344[13:39:41] <rant> Ingvix: I see nothing filed against nemo on the BTS regarding the issue you describe so you may wind up needing to file a bug somewhere
• 1345[13:39:59] <rant> Ingvix: the issue is just that it's not showing any shares in the network correct?
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• 1348[13:40:21] <Ingvix> yes
• 1349[13:40:23] <rant> Ingvix: are both boxes connected to the network in the same way?
• 1350[13:41:07] <rant> Ingvix: because some routers do what's called AP isolation where wifi clients are isolated from the rest of the network so if the machine that works is wired and the one that doesnt is wireless that could be the problem
• 1351[13:42:35] <Ingvix> both of them are using wifi
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• 1357[13:45:46] <rant> Buster should be releasing in the next few months I'd guess.. you'll have one system ahead of the game.. but if this IS a bug it'd be best to run it down before that happens and get it reported so it can be fixed
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• 1361[13:49:18] <rant> I gotta say, I like this blue color of the testing installer better than the green of the stable installer
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• 1364[13:50:09] <Ingvix> Okay, thanks for the help. I'll test it a bit more and if nothing seems to work, I'll file the report
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• 1370[13:51:57] <rant> Ingvix: no problem.. I'm gonna look into it myself.. but I got some transcoding going on right now or I'd have this VM up and running already :P
• 1371[13:52:22] <rant> my CPU is rather taxed right now.. so setting up an i386 Cinnamon VM is slow going :P
• 1372[13:53:21] <rant> I have base install VMs ready to go for Stretch, Buster, Sid, and Stretch VMs for each of the 7 DE but they're all amd64
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• 1376[13:56:09] <Ingvix> the 32bit installation also didn't include gnome-software which I found odd and I wondered if I chose the right file
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• 1378[13:56:36] <Ingvix> it was included in 64bit
• 1379[13:56:57] <rant> Ingvix: gnome-software?
• 1380[13:57:14] <rant> You mean the Gnome Desktop Environment?
• 1381[13:57:46] <Ingvix> no, the software manager
• 1382[13:57:47] <Ingvix> replaced-url
• 1383[13:58:00] <rant> ah.. does that work for you?
• 1384[13:58:08] <Ingvix> mostly
• 1385[13:58:14] <rant> I tried it recently it wouldnt show anything
• 1386[13:58:34] <rant> thought it might be something easier for my father to use
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• 1388[13:59:42] <Ingvix> yeah, it showed nothing at first for me too but later it started working. No idea why
• 1389[14:02:35] <rant> I first seen it years ago on Ubuntu I never tried it on Debian
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• 1391[14:03:04] <rant> other than once recently on my fathers computer cause he was looking for a photo editor program and I thought that would be easier than synaptic for him
• 1392[14:03:16] <rant> but it was totally non-functional
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• 1608[15:59:42] <rant> Ingvix: your issue does seem to be reproducible.. I got a VM with Stretch Cinnamon amd64 and one with Buster Cinnamon i386 and one shows network shares and the other doesnt
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• 1612[16:01:18] <Ingvix> Well that nice, that it wasn't just me messing something up
• 1613[16:02:19] <buttros_> Hello! I'm trying to generate the Greek locale in debian, but it tells me no such file or directory. Anyone encountered this problem before?
• 1614[16:02:46] <buttros_> I use dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 1617[16:04:34] <rant> buttros_: "bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found" ?
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• 1625[16:09:41] <greycat> as root, with PATH set correctly
• 1626[16:09:42] <EdePopede> in /usr/sbin, from debconf
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• 1635[16:11:48] <rant> yeah, no need to jump on that.. I was just guessing as to what that vague question meant
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• 1638[16:13:05] <buttros_> greycat: I tried as root and this is what it said: el_GR.UTF-8...[error] cannot open locale definition file `el_GR': No such file or directory
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• 1641[16:13:53] <greycat> Maybe you need to reinstall the locales package. Did you have file system corruption, or a full disk, or anything like that?
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• 1643[16:14:51] <buttros_> greycat: I'm on a virtual machine in virtualbox, parrot is the distro
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• 1646[16:15:10] <greycat> Then you're in the wrong channel.
• 1647[16:15:12] <greycat> !parrot
• 1648[16:15:12] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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• 1650[16:15:47] <buttros_> dpkg: Ok thanks!
• 1651[16:15:47] <dpkg> buttros_: that's ok
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• 1656[16:17:53] <KaffeeKatrin> so I screwed up my pulseaudio configuration somehow, reinstalled everything and restored the default configuration, but for some odd reason only a dummy audio device shows up in the audio settings, any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?
• 1657[16:19:14] <KaffeeKatrin> oh, actually it looks like the configuration wasn't restored o_o
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• 1665[16:21:07] <KaffeeKatrin> I tried restoring the configuration using this `apt-cache pkgnames pulse | sudo xargs -n 1 apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall` command, am I missing something there?
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• 1669[16:24:03] <Ingvix> rant, any idea why it doesn't work? Or just leave it to the developers to solve it?
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• 1672[16:24:34] <rant> Ingvix: not yet
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• 1674[16:25:16] <rant> Ingvix: its not related to nemo.. I installed caja and thunar and they dont see the shares either
• 1675[16:25:30] <Ingvix> I see
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• 1730[16:56:51] <b18c5> any good racing games out there ?
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• 1742[17:00:54] <nkuttler> b18c5: try #steamlug ?
• 1743[17:00:59] <rant> Ingvix: yeah I been sitting here hammering away at everything I can think of and cant figure it out either.. heh.. smbtree shows me the shares when I run that from a terminal, but none of the filemanagers do so idk.. I'll let you know if I figure out what the problem is
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• 1786[17:27:49] <Ingvix> okay, thanks
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• 1789[17:32:01] <jhutchins_wk> rant: File managers usually don't have the ability to browse the network for shares. If you want to access them from the file manager you need to mount them.
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• 1792[17:34:00] <jhutchins_wk> rant: If a file manager does have a way to browse the network, it should have the ability to set things like workgroup and credentials.
• 1793[17:34:26] <rant> jhutchins_wk: it works in stretch, not in buster. I'm following up in #debian-next for Ingvix's issue
• 1794[17:35:40] <rant> jhutchins_wk: these file managers all do network browsing.. the original question was about nemo in cinnamon I determined they are on buster, so I setup a buster vm and reproduced the issue..
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• 1822[17:49:01] <Deihmos> anyone use powernap
• 1823[17:49:15] <nuxil> i cant get my scheduler to work.. what am i doing wrong. i have this /etc/cron.hourly directory. i have placed my file in there. and chmod +x on the file. however it never gets executed
• 1824[17:49:34] <rant> Deihmos: I think you are
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• 1826[17:49:57] <nuxil> there is nothing wrong with the file. it does what it suppose to when i run it myself from cmd.
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• 1829[17:51:00] <nuxil> i tried also to do systemctl restart cron.service
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• 1832[17:51:53] <nuxil> crontab -l ,says no crontab for root.
• 1833[17:52:18] <jhutchins_wk> nuxil: Sometimes that's a symptom of the fact that the environment that cron runs in is not the same as the environment your user runs in.
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• 1835[17:53:18] <nuxil> jhutchins_wk, hmm.. so that could explain it. since it needs root premission to execute the script.
• 1836[17:53:22] <jhutchins_wk> nuxil: Three things to do: Make sure you have the right #! interpreter at the beginning, make sure EVERYTHING has a full path, and put some "echo" or "logger" commands in so you can see that it runs.
• 1837[17:53:37] <jhutchins_wk> nuxil: cron.hourly should run as root by default.
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• 1840[17:54:18] <nuxil> i have correct shebang in my script
• 1841[17:54:52] <nuxil> #!/usr/bin/python3.5
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• 1847[17:57:24] <nuxil> jhutchins_wk,hmm but. as said. i can exec the script fine by dont ./file.py instead of using python3.5 file.py. but the thing is. i tried with both a shell script to invove the py interpeter and load the file aswll.. that too fail.. so my assumion is the cron is not executing these script as root.
• 1848[17:57:32] <nuxil> *dont -> doing
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• 1851[17:59:05] <nuxil> also should not cronttab -l list these jobs listed in their directorys
• 1852[17:59:10] <nuxil> ?
• 1853[17:59:42] <greycat> crontab -l and crontab -e are for accessing your account's personal crontab. Even root has one. But Debian *also* has /etc/crontab and assorted infrastructure, on top of the normal root crontab. They're separate.
• 1854[18:00:02] <nuxil> wow. confusing :p
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• 1860[18:01:01] <nuxil> so how do i fix this issue?
• 1861[18:01:24] <nuxil> place my stuff in /etc/crontab instead ?
• 1862[18:01:33] <nuxil> *edit
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• 1867[18:02:52] * greycat scrolls back to try to find an issue. Apparently your issue is "My cron job never runs". How did you determine this? Anything in the logs? Also, you were vague about the name of the file you placed in cron.hourly. The name of the file is of CRITICAL importance. There are STRICT rules.
• 1868[18:03:02] <greycat> What's the exact name of the file?
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• 1872[18:03:15] <nuxil> backup.py
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• 1874[18:04:10] <greycat> Does it work if you remove the period?
• 1875[18:05:30] <greycat> /etc/crontab says "run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly", so it uses run-parts(8) to determine which filenames are allowed.
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• 1877[18:05:47] <greycat> run-parts(8) says "If neither the --lsbsysinit option nor the --regex option is given then the names must consist entirely of ASCII upper- and lower-case letters, ASCII digits, ASCII underscores, and ASCII minus-hyphens."
• 1878[18:05:51] <greycat> Periods are not allowed.
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• 1882[18:07:18] <jhutchins_wk> nuxil: So it sounds like the first line should be something like #! /path/to/python
• 1883[18:07:26] <greycat> That's not the issue.
• 1884[18:07:37] <nuxil> jhutchins_wk, i have that
• 1885[18:07:37] <greycat> The issue is the .py on the filename.
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• 1890[18:08:33] <jelly> py is not the issue, just the . :-)
• 1891[18:08:36] <greycat> run-parts was designed to SKIP anything that might be a backup copy of a script, or a *.dpkg-whatever template left over by the package manager, etc.
• 1892[18:08:56] <greycat> So it won't run backup~ or backup.old or backup.20190128 or backup.py
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• 1898[18:13:04] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I've probably sweated through trying to troubleshoot that several times.
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• 1906[18:17:24] <nuxil> greycat, thanks. that solved the problem removing the extension and it runs
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• 1993[19:06:43] <Bjornn> I have this file after upgrading from debian 8 to 9 : /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist is there any reason I shouldn't delete it?
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• 1997[19:08:27] <rwp> Bjornn, If you have made changes to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf then that is the new file to merge your changes into. If you have not then no reason not to just delete it.
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• 2000[19:08:56] <rwp> Sorry /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades without the .ucf-dist part. Same for .dpkg-dist files too.
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• 2004[19:10:35] <rwp> All of these are candidates for needing manual handling and cleaning: find /etc \( -name '*.dpkg-*' -o -name '*.ucf-*' \) -print
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• 2008[19:11:58] <Bjornn> ahhh. thanks. I'll try that out.
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• 2014[19:16:18] <Bjornn> the upgrade has broken my cinnamon file manager, nemo
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• 2017[19:17:10] <Bjornn> I'm hesitant to remove it and reinstall, lest it break something worse.
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• 2036[19:25:16] <rant> Bjornn: broken how?
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• 2047[19:29:19] <Bjornn> it won't execute
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• 2050[19:29:34] <rant> Bjornn: you tried it from a terminal?
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• 2052[19:29:55] <rant> Bjornn: did you properly upgrade to Stretch following the release notes using a dist-upgrade?
• 2053[19:30:29] <Bjornn> it gives this error: Settings schema 'org.nemo.preferences' does not contain a key named 'context-menus-show-all-actions'
• 2054[19:30:29] <Bjornn> Trace/breakpoint trap
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• 2056[19:31:03] <Bjornn> I believe I followed the steps correctly for the upgrade
• 2057[19:31:29] <rant> Bjornn: try this: mkdir ~/nemo; HOME=~/nemo nemo
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• 2066[19:34:09] <Bjornn> ok.
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• 2069[19:35:12] <rant> Bjornn: does nemo run like that?
• 2070[19:35:27] <Bjornn> I reports the same error
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• 2072[19:35:54] <Bjornn> it*
• 2073[19:36:08] <Bjornn> maybe it's a matter of adding switches from there?
• 2074[19:36:44] <Bjornn> well, that's probably not the terminology you would use
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• 2076[19:37:02] <rant> the idea was to run nemo with a blank homedir and have it create new configs and not use any of the existing ones
• 2077[19:37:13] <Bjornn> oh, I see.
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• 2079[19:37:18] <Bjornn> I'll look at that dir
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• 2081[19:37:34] <rant> Bjornn: ls -al ~/nemo
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• 2083[19:38:15] <Bjornn> it is empty
• 2084[19:38:35] <rant> using ls -al ?
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• 2087[19:38:43] <Bjornn> just as you typed it.
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• 2090[19:39:45] <rant> then it erred out before it created anything, probably when it connected to dbus.. try creating a new user and logging in as that user
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• 2092[19:40:05] <rant> see if nemo runs as a fresh user
• 2093[19:40:20] <Bjornn> cool.
• 2094[19:41:02] <jhutchins_wk> Bjornn: Perhaps it would be useful to locate org.nemo.preferences and see what is actually in it.
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• 2097[19:42:01] <rant> Bjornn: gsettings list-recursively org.nemo.preferences|nc termbin.com 9999
• 2098[19:42:17] <greycat> so we're on a quest to find nemo?
• 2099[19:42:21] <rant> heh
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• 2104[19:43:10] <rant> I been on a quest to find nemo all day.. trying to figure out why samba browsing is broken in buster.. the question this morning was about nemo, but I figured out it affects all file managers in buster
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• 2109[19:44:49] <rant> fwiw this is what my Stretch amd64 Cinnamon VM shows for org.nemo.preferences replaced-url
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• 2111[19:45:13] <rant> if Bjornn runs that command and you want something for comparison
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• 2113[19:46:30] <rant> sounded like a local user config error to me, thats why I wanted to rule that out first before actually digging into the settings
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• 2116[19:47:51] <Bjornn> creating a new user was not successful.
• 2117[19:48:16] <rant> Bjornn: creating the user was not successful, or it was but nemo still gives same error?
• 2118[19:48:43] <Bjornn> I was not able to create a new user
• 2119[19:48:52] <Bjornn> so possibly some other issues there.
• 2120[19:49:00] <Bjornn> I haven't booted today. maybe that would help.
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• 2123[19:49:17] <rant> Bjornn: how did you try creating a new user and what went wrong?
• 2124[19:49:55] <Bjornn> Administration->Users and Groups
• 2125[19:50:00] <Bjornn> via the menu
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• 2127[19:50:16] <rant> ah.. well try su to root in a terminal and run adduser
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• 2129[19:50:37] <Bjornn> ok
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• 2153[20:02:56] <Bjornn> are there any switches that help? I'm having no luck via the command line.
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• 2155[20:03:41] <Bjornn> useradd -m will add a user directory, that's about all the success I've had.
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• 2157[20:04:16] <greycat> If you're new at this, start with adduser. That's the high level interface. useradd is the low level interface.
• 2158[20:04:45] <Bjornn> ok.
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• 2164[20:09:54] * rant already said to use adduser
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• 2173[20:15:58] <Bjornn> the adduser function also appears to have issues
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• 2185[20:19:06] <karlpinc> !errors
• 2186[20:19:06] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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• 2197[20:24:09] <Bjornn> I was missing a dialog that was popping up. adduser appeared not to be doing anything. it is working ok.
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• 2238[20:52:32] <Bjornn> new users also have no access to nemo. I tried a couple different users with no change. clicking on the filemanager icon does nothing, from terminal there is a message :
• 2239[20:52:37] <Bjornn> GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.nemo.preferences' does not contain a key named 'context-menus-show-all-actions'
• 2240[20:52:37] <Bjornn> Trace/breakpoint trap
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• 2261[21:08:30] <kevinnn> Hi all, I am having trouble getting an ethernet driver to work on my dell optiplex 7060
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• 2263[21:08:47] <kevinnn> there's not much discussion online about it
• 2264[21:09:03] <kevinnn> there's only one answer online I could find
• 2265[21:09:09] <kevinnn> replaced-url
• 2266[21:09:22] <kevinnn> but when I tried it the ethernet driver wouldn't load
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• 2269[21:09:34] <kevinnn> modprobe would say invalid argument
• 2270[21:09:48] <kevinnn> and modlist wouldn't even show the module as an option
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• 2274[21:09:59] <kevinnn> any help would be greatly appreciated!
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• 2280[21:15:24] <LtL> kevinnn: run lspci -nn ; show us the pciid of the network device, such as 168c:002a provided it's on a pci bus
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• 2282[21:16:02] <kevinnn> 8086:15bb
• 2283[21:16:09] <kevinnn> LtL:
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• 2285[21:16:26] <LtL> ,8086:15bb
• 2286[21:16:28] <rant> Bjornn: try that command I mentioned earlier to see what settings are there..
• 2287[21:16:38] <LtL> ,pciid 8086:15bb
• 2288[21:16:39] <judd> [8086:15bb] is 'Ethernet Connection (7) I219-LM' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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• 2290[21:17:06] <rant> Bjornn: gsettings list-recursively org.nemo.preferences|nc termbin.com 9999
• 2291[21:17:08] <Bjornn> ok, gotcha.
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• 2293[21:17:28] <LtL> kevinnn: my guess is it's not supported
• 2294[21:17:57] <kevinnn> really? there's no way for me to get this support?
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• 2296[21:18:14] <kevinnn> what was @judd referring to?
• 2297[21:18:18] <LtL> kevinnn: you might google that model and build from source
• 2298[21:18:47] <kevinnn> the ask ubuntu link did suggest something like that
• 2299[21:18:48] <kevinnn> and I did
• 2300[21:18:55] <LtL> kevinnn: it seems that device doesn't have a driver in the debian kernel
• 2301[21:18:58] <kevinnn> but dmesg shows the module complaining
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• 2303[21:19:22] <kevinnn> wait doesn't ubuntu use the same kernel debian does?
• 2304[21:19:25] <greycat> Once upon a time, judd's pci database was helpful in knowing whether a given device was supported on stable, or whether you needed to use a kmuto kernel/installer.
• 2305[21:19:34] <greycat> I haven't seen it given helpful output in a couple years now.
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• 2309[21:20:02] <kevinnn> greycat: ah okay I see, so then there is probably no support for it in debian?
• 2310[21:20:20] <greycat> *shrug*
• 2311[21:20:41] <greycat> You can google the hardware and see if anyone else reports how they got it to work, or you can try a backported kernel.
• 2312[21:20:59] <greycat> Having the PCI ID helps you narrow the google searches.
• 2313[21:21:14] <kevinnn> jeez, maybe I should just use ubuntu then...
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• 2315[21:22:01] <kevinnn> greycat: replaced-url
• 2316[21:22:08] <kevinnn> this link shows the same pci id
• 2317[21:22:20] <kevinnn> but the install instructions require internet access...
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• 2319[21:22:28] <kevinnn> it's the chicken and the egg problem
• 2320[21:22:42] <greycat> and they used a backported ke\rnel
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• 2322[21:23:38] <rant> modinfo e1000e|grep 15BB alias: pci"v00008086d000015BBsv*sd*bc*sc*i*
• 2323[21:23:46] <rant> thats the stretch-backports kernel
• 2324[21:23:49] <kevinnn> the link to the backported kernel they have in the guide is just a broken link
• 2325[21:23:54] <rant> the stretch kernel lacks that alias
• 2326[21:24:09] <greycat> That's because the backported kernel is NEWER than that one now.
• 2327[21:24:10] <kevinnn> rant: what do you mean?
• 2328[21:24:15] <greycat> ,kernels
• 2329[21:24:16] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-2-686-pae (4.19.16-1); buster: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.19.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-
• 2330[21:24:17] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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• 2332[21:25:00] <Bjornn> replaced-url
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• 2334[21:25:33] <LtL> kevinnn: the reason this happens is because manufacturers don't give developers specs for the device, so the devs must build it without that data. I would try a backport kernel.
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• 2336[21:25:54] <rant> kevinnn: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add the line "deb replaced-url
• 2337[21:25:58] <Bjornn> oh, that's interesting.
• 2338[21:26:08] <rant> kevinnn: change amd64 to whatever arch you are using
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• 2340[21:26:32] <kevinnn> LtL: I will try a backport right now
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• 2342[21:26:50] <kevinnn> rant:... the computer doesn't have network access, how would I do that?
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• 2344[21:27:59] <rant> kevinnn: what does uname -r say?
• 2345[21:28:27] <kevinnn> 4.9.0-7-amd64
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• 2347[21:28:56] <rant> Bjornn: gsettings set org.nemo.preferences context-menus-show-all-actions false
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• 2350[21:30:01] <Bjornn> No such key 'context-menus-show-all-actions'
• 2351[21:30:09] <Bjornn> perhaps 'add'?
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• 2353[21:30:50] <Bjornn> I don't want to blow it.
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• 2361[21:31:40] <rant> ah right.. perhaps you have to add the key first.. duh :P
• 2362[21:31:56] <rant> kevinnn: do you have a thumbdrive or something to copy a file?
• 2363[21:32:09] <kevinnn> yes that is what I am doing now
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• 2366[21:32:39] <rant> yeah I believe you want replaced-url
• 2367[21:32:50] <rant> if I'm not mistaken
• 2368[21:33:26] <rant> dpkg -i that file and that should support your nic with the e1000e module
• 2369[21:33:26] <dpkg> package that file and that should support your nic with the e1000e module is already installed
• 2370[21:33:35] <rant> shaddup :P
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• 2374[21:35:01] <rant> Bjornn: lemme look further into this.. gsettings doesnt seem to be able to add keys I guess
• 2375[21:35:18] <Bjornn> yes ok.
• 2376[21:35:24] <Bjornn> thank you so much
• 2377[21:35:55] <rant> Bjornn: this is what mine has replaced-url
• 2378[21:36:05] <rant> there are a few keys in mine not in yours
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• 2380[21:37:10] <kevinnn> rant: thank you very much for the help it worked :)
• 2381[21:37:38] <rant> kevinnn: no problem.
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• 2384[21:38:44] <Bjornn> I think I saw some page on how to set a var in this, but not yet any instruction how to add
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• 2389[21:39:23] <Bjornn> it's a bit of a puzzle
• 2390[21:39:34] <rant> Bjornn: yes the manpage for gsettings doesnt seem to mention adding stuff.. but there are many other tools
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• 2394[21:40:19] <rant> Bjornn: do you have the dconf command?
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• 2399[21:40:56] <Bjornn> dconf-editor
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• 2401[21:41:10] <Bjornn> same thing?
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• 2403[21:41:42] <rant> no, thats a GUI, dconf is a cli
• 2404[21:41:51] <rant> but I dont think dconf will do it either
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• 2410[21:43:25] <dff> i have a machine that has two oses on it, win and debian, if i change the mac address of the nic in debian, will it only show in debian, or will the windows OS also see the change?
• 2411[21:43:56] <rshakin> hey whats a good way to test write and read speed of an lvm storage
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• 2420[21:46:04] <Bjornn> nemo is upgradeable it seems, I type apt-get upgrade nemo, it shows quite a lot of changes that would take place. is that the next option rant ?
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• 2422[21:46:11] <rant> Bjornn: (cat /etc/debian_version;cat /etc/apt/sources.list;apt policy;dpkg -l libc6 nemo nemo-data gsettings-desktop-schemas)|nc termbin.com 9999
• 2423[21:46:35] <rant> Bjornn: yes I asked you earlier if you upgraded according to the release notes.. I was just now going to have you check and make sure :P
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• 2425[21:48:04] <Bjornn> this is the instruction I used: replaced-url
• 2426[21:48:20] <rant> yes well you shouldn't have
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• 2428[21:48:58] <rant> Bjornn: you should've used this replaced-url
• 2429[21:49:16] <rant> Bjornn: notice how it has debian.org in the URL :P
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• 2434[21:50:45] <rant> Bjornn: that command I gave you should produce a log that'll give us an idea on where you are in terms of your upgrade as it pertains to your issue
• 2435[21:51:03] <Bjornn> ok.
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• 2437[21:51:20] <Bjornn> I ran it, it gave an error, maybe I pasted it wrong. one sec
• 2438[21:51:26] <rant> Bjornn: it should produce the same output ran as root or normal user I believe
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• 2446[21:53:44] <rant> the WARNING is normal
• 2447[21:54:08] <Bjornn> replaced-url
• 2448[21:54:11] <Bjornn> ok.
• 2449[21:54:12] <Bjornn> cool
• 2450[21:55:10] <rant> Bjornn: yes you are not upgraded
• 2451[21:55:18] <Bjornn> I can't sort that out. ;)
• 2452[21:55:49] <rant> Bjornn: replaced-url
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• 2454[21:56:13] <rant> Bjornn: first edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change those httpredir urls to deb.debian.org
• 2455[21:56:24] <rant> currently those are still valid but they're deprecated
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• 2457[21:57:01] <LtL> !tell Bjornn about sources.list
• 2458[21:57:04] <rant> Bjornn: clean that file up make it look like mine
• 2459[21:57:16] <Bjornn> ok. sounds good.
• 2460[21:57:30] <rant> Bjornn: after you get that fixed, then apt update && apt dist-upgrade
• 2461[21:57:42] <LtL> Bjornn: theres a pm from dpkg about a proper sources.list. sorry to butt in rant
• 2462[21:57:56] <Bjornn> ok. great. hopefully that will clean up my mess.
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• 2465[22:01:19] <Bjornn> oh, thanks LtL, I didn't see it before.
• 2466[22:01:57] <LtL> Bjornn: rant's *.list might be better, i didn't look. you choose
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• 2476[22:04:03] <rant> Bjornn: idk what you did but the output of that command I gave you shows your /etc/debian_version is 9.7 (current stretch) but the libc6 nemo nemo-data gsettings-desktop-schemas are all Jessie version numbers
• 2477[22:04:18] <rant> Bjornn: looks like you may have done some sort of partial upgrade idk..
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• 2479[22:04:59] <Bjornn> ok.
• 2480[22:05:08] <rant> Bjornn: and really your sources.list was semi-ok just the httpredir is deprecated and will not be used in the future and looked like your security.debian.org line was wrong
• 2481[22:05:27] <Bjornn> i was just going to ask that. ok.
• 2482[22:05:36] <Bjornn> almost done with that.
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• 2484[22:06:51] <rant> Bjornn: replaced-url
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• 2487[22:07:26] <rant> Bjornn: as long as you got those 3 lines 1,4,7 you should be fine for migrating to stretch
• 2488[22:07:38] <rant> get rid of all that extra crap you got in there
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• 2498[22:11:36] <rant> Bjornn: if you put the backports line in, I'd comment it out with a # in the beginning for now until after you are fully upgraded
• 2499[22:12:39] <Bjornn> ok. sounds good. I got lines 1,4 and 7 as suggested.
• 2500[22:12:58] <Bjornn> the backports I added in at some point to get a wifi working, unsuccessfully.
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• 2506[22:15:14] <Bjornn> ok, I'm going forward with this now. : apt update && apt dist-upgrade
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• 2509[22:15:45] <rant> Bjornn: if you have any backport or 3rd party packages installed you really should get rid of them before doing the dist-upgrade
• 2510[22:16:02] <rant> it'll be less likely to cause any issues that way
• 2511[22:16:05] <Bjornn> I don't think I do.
• 2512[22:16:59] <rant> you'd know all this if you'd gone to Debian for the guide rather than some random site.. heh.. always from now on search for the release notes for the release you're upgrading TO on debian.org and read the upgrading section
• 2513[22:17:11] <rant> there may be special steps for a given release
• 2514[22:17:35] <Bjornn> ok. good advice. thank you rant
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• 2519[22:19:34] <mdx0> okay, if I'm here I will ask it here hope for response
• 2520[22:20:02] <rant> mdx0: welcome to Radio Shack, you've got questions, we've got answers :P
• 2521[22:20:02] <Bjornn> best place for it!
• 2522[22:20:32] <mdx0> okay, but before I have to explain something
• 2523[22:20:50] <Bjornn> sounds like a conversation I've had with my wife
• 2524[22:21:03] <Bjornn> i digress
• 2525[22:21:03] <rant> thats funny cause Radio Shack went out of business.. and we are no longer the "official channel"
• 2526[22:21:17] * Bjornn gasps
• 2527[22:21:52] <rant> that was their slogan though if you aren't familiar with em
• 2528[22:21:54] <mdx0> I have a short question. I had today a kernel panic with raspbian....
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• 2530[22:22:06] <rant> !raspbian
• 2531[22:22:06] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2532[22:22:14] <mdx0> Hello, I had today a kernel panic with my raspian after I have made some updates.... i switched the power off...because in this moment I didn't know what to do... I restart the Pi but somethings wrong with the sdcard....is the card broken now? sorry for asking...
• 2533[22:22:17] <mdx0> sorry
• 2534[22:22:44] <rant> mdx0: sd cards die.. especially if they're not really good ones
• 2535[22:22:48] <mdx0> but now the sdcard is not readable and I'm sitting on a debian pc
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• 2538[22:23:09] <mdx0> oh, okay...
• 2539[22:23:16] <rant> mdx0: 90% of them were not designed for the use case of these new SBCs
• 2540[22:23:29] <rant> neither in random i/o speed nor heat/stress
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• 2542[22:23:52] <mdx0> but how I can check if the card is broken or try to get on the data from the sdcard
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• 2549[22:24:34] <rant> mdx0: plug it in, try read it with dd if it wont mount.. what kinda card is it?
• 2550[22:25:18] <Bjornn> massively long readme file in the stream. I fastforwarded
• 2551[22:25:30] <mdx0> it was a 32g phillips sdcard
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• 2553[22:25:48] * rant never even heard of a phillips card
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• 2555[22:26:14] <mdx0> rant, thanks
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• 2557[22:26:49] <rshakin> !lvm
• 2558[22:26:49] <dpkg> [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (replaced-url
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• 2560[22:27:36] <mdx0> if I plug the card into the pc nothing happend
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• 2563[22:28:13] <mdx0> rshakin, was that information for me?
• 2564[22:28:24] <rant> mdx0: you really need to buy cards carefully chosen for this purpose when you use these things.. its not like a digital camera that occasionally writes sequentially small amounts of data
• 2565[22:28:31] <rshakin> mdx0: no srry
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• 2569[22:29:16] <rshakin> anyne know how i can check performance of lvm partition
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• 2571[22:30:08] <mdx0> lsblk don't show anything...
• 2572[22:30:14] <Bjornn> I don't know what the logind.conf does. should I keep the current version?
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• 2575[22:30:49] <rant> Bjornn: Debian packages are WIDHE compliant
• 2576[22:30:50] <Bjornn> d
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• 2578[22:31:13] <rant> dpkg, widhe?
• 2579[22:31:13] <dpkg> When In Doubt, Hit Enter
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• 2582[22:32:52] <Bjornn> haha, ok. awesome!
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• 2588[22:34:45] <rant> mdx0: yes I asked in #h3droid if they heard of phillips cards and one of the devs said "no, because they fry"
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• 2591[22:35:35] <rant> mdx0: they tend to recommend industrial grade sd cards for those things
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• 2597[22:36:56] <mdx0> rant, espechially thanx
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• 2604[22:38:29] <rant> mdx0: look up "SanDisk Endurance" they're white.. they are designed for heat stress and good random I/O speed
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• 2606[22:39:03] <mdx0> okay, i put these on my shopping list
• 2607[22:39:08] <rant> mdx0: the Samsung Evo+ (not the Evo) are good speed, but not made for the heat/stress per-se and still may die on you
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• 2610[22:39:19] <mdx0> and what's about with Kingston cards?
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• 2613[22:39:30] <rant> mdx0: they are one of the worst
• 2614[22:39:55] <rant> I got one with my pi board I ordered from china.. it was slow as snail shit and died after a couple weeks
• 2615[22:39:58] <mdx0> oh, I tought they were very well....
• 2616[22:40:06] <rant> nope.. they're horrible
• 2617[22:40:16] <mdx0> okay
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• 2625[22:44:13] <Bjornn> I'm stuck on a screen that is comparing my logind.conf apparently. at the bottom of the screen is says waiting for data (interrupt to abort)
• 2626[22:44:37] <somiaj> isn't kingston one of those companies that has a wide varitey of products, they have their cheap crap sd cards, but I think they also have a higher grade line too that works okay.
• 2627[22:44:38] <greycat> that sounds like less(1) when you've hit the wrong key
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• 2629[22:44:44] <Bjornn> yet to find a key press that aborts anything. :(
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• 2631[22:45:07] <greycat> "interrupt" means ctrl-c, but it's also possible that you may have pressed ctrl-s at some point, which can be undone with ctrl-q
• 2632[22:45:33] <greycat> any time a terminal appears to be "hung", ctrl-q is a good first thing to try
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• 2638[22:48:54] <rant> I have a regular ol sandisk class 4 card that ran circles around my kingston
• 2639[22:49:14] <rant> easily 4x or more the speed in all categories
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• 2657[22:53:24] <t3st3r> rant kingston got popular enough to get faked by numerous chinese manufacturers. That's why...
• 2658[22:54:07] * rant shrugs
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• 2662[22:54:31] <t3st3r> Somehow they all prefer to fake Kingston. Not sure why.
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• 2665[22:54:46] <rant> I don't know all that much about the stuff and was quite surprised myself to find out that there was all this crap out there. I just know what developers who work on the stuff regularly tell me
• 2666[22:56:13] <rant> and the devs I'm speaking of are the h3droid devs.. building android for the allwinner h3 boards.. android is way more harsh on cards than say debian
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• 2676[23:03:38] <t3st3r> rant> speaking for myself I do some OS images booting from cards based on Debian. "real" class 10 kingston looks fine to me, though UHS-I cards are usually better.
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• 2678[23:04:59] <t3st3r> This said I like sandisk, but mostly due to its good failure mode. It tends to just go readonly when flash wears out.
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• 2682[23:05:56] <Bjornn> well, it wasn't pretty but it's back to installing again.
• 2683[23:06:02] * Bjornn is getting a high ball
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• 2690[23:10:35] <tomreyn> mdx0: here's a price comparison (for EU, germany centric) which compares sd cards based on several factors: replaced-url
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• 2702[23:18:49] <Bjornn> I see new cinnamon stuff installing. that's promising
• 2703[23:19:07] <Bjornn> I must have had some error on that section before and missed it.
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• 2772[23:59:28] <Bjornn> replaced-url
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