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15[00:07:04] <bob121212> Hi, can anyone help me with installing
a gtk3 theme?
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17[00:08:18] <bob121212> Anyone that could help me out?
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23[00:10:05] <bob121212> is anyone online?
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26[00:10:48] <teraflops> bob121212: I guess is better asking:
hi i have this gtk3 theme (provide the url if it's not
packaged) I get this error (errors here) when trying to install it,
also I'm trying to install this way ...
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27[00:11:52] <bob121212> Hi, I have this gtk3 theme:
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28[00:12:20] <markybob> bob121212: you might need to log out
and back in
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30[00:12:53] <markybob> but i don't use gtk3...so...i
don't really know much on the topic
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36[00:14:57] <bob121212_> I tried to log in and out, but that
did not work
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38[00:15:20] <markybob> bob121212: did you restart all of x?
the WM?
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43[00:17:32] <teraflops> bob121212_: can you see the theme via
lxappearance or whatever you use to pick themes? (unless you use a
plain settings.ini file)
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45[00:18:05] <markybob> bob121212_: it's gnome?
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48[00:19:37] <teraflops> bob121212_: btw did you read the
instructions?
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49[00:19:56] <bob121212_> Yes I did
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51[00:20:12] <bob121212_> All of them just say to extract the
zip file and move it to the themes folder
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53[00:20:27] <markybob> bob121212_: and is it gnome?
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56[00:20:30] <teraflops> ,v gtk+3.0
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57[00:20:31] <judd> No package named 'gtk+3.0' was
found in amd64.
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58[00:20:38] <teraflops> :S
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60[00:21:09] <markybob> ,v libgtk-2-0
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61[00:21:10] <judd> No package named 'libgtk-2-0' was
found in amd64.
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62[00:21:11] <dvs> ,v gtk-3.0
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63[00:21:12] <judd> No package named 'gtk-3.0' was
found in amd64.
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64[00:21:16] <teraflops> ,v gtk+
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65[00:21:17] <judd> No package named 'gtk+' was found
in amd64.
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66[00:21:18] <markybob> ,v libgtk-3-0
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68[00:21:20] <judd> Package: libgtk-3-0 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.4.2-7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie:
3.14.5-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.20.4-1; sid: 3.20.5-2
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69[00:21:25] <dvs> yay
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70[00:21:25] <teraflops> thanks
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71[00:21:34] <teraflops> bob121212_: it says is for ubuntu also
it requires GTK+ 3.6 or above
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73[00:22:36] <markybob> i don't know why i have to work so
hard to find out if he's using gnome
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77[00:23:20] <teraflops> bob121212_: did you issue the commands
the readme says after extracting the files?
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121[00:48:04] <gnumedia> Well, a package 'not being
there' is not really a bug per se...
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139[00:49:31] <abrotman> gnumedia: you file an RFP, it's a
type of bug in the BTS
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provides libEGL_nvidia.so* ? I am having a hard time finding it
(arch liunx:
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536[01:47:38] <naptastic> ProfessorKaos64, I'm only
guessing by the library name, but since it's about nvidia, it
probably comes from the proprietary driver.
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537[01:47:56] <ProfessorKaos64> strange, I have 355 installed,
wonder if it's with a newer driver
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539[01:48:03] <ProfessorKaos64> on debian jessie
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540[01:48:06] <naptastic> o.O That is odd.
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541[01:48:20] <ProfessorKaos64> I don't know what makes the
link, even if that lib is symbolic
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543[01:48:35] <ProfessorKaos64> Maybe I need to install the
driver again
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546[01:50:28] <naptastic> ProfessorKaos64, I just looked in
Synaptic, and there's a 'libegl1-nvidia' package
available. (Sid)
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547[01:50:36] <Twirl> hi, how do you stop a command when Ctrl +
C doesn't work? generally because of too much output
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548[01:51:09] <naptastic> Twirl, in another terminal, you can
send it SIGTERM or SIGKILL with `kill -15 <pid>` or `kill -9
<pid>`
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549[01:51:28] <ProfessorKaos64> no luck naptastic , strange
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550[01:51:31] <naptastic> but SIGINT (ctrl+c) usually works
after a while.
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551[01:51:47] <ProfessorKaos64> I'd switch to a new TTY and
kill that process
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554[01:51:59] <naptastic> ProfessorKaos64, that's really
strange. I'm using Nouveau, so I may not be able to help you
much more.
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555[01:52:08] <ProfessorKaos64> it's ok, I appreciate the
responses regardless
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556[01:52:17] <naptastic> OH
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557[01:52:22] <naptastic> Do you have contrib and non-free
enabled?
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558[01:52:24] <ProfessorKaos64> I usuall go to
packages.debian.org and search the contents list too
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559[01:52:33] <ProfessorKaos64> nothing shows up there
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561[01:52:53] <Twirl> it's pretty annoying when you are in
ssh
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562[01:53:20] <naptastic> ProfessorKaos64,
replaced-url
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563[01:53:21] <Twirl> i would have to make a new connection and
see what command is misbehaving and send the signal
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564[01:53:28] <ProfessorKaos64> aw.... here we go
replaced-url
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565[01:53:28] <naptastic> whoops, that's the wrong things
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566[01:53:35] <naptastic> THERE WE GO. :)
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567[01:53:36] <ProfessorKaos64> there's an experimental pkg
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568[01:53:39] <ProfessorKaos64> hmmmm
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569[01:53:57] <ProfessorKaos64> never was an issue before this
version of retroarch, perhaps requires this now for vulkan support
or something
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570[01:54:02] <ProfessorKaos64> or wayland idk
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572[01:54:23] <naptastic> Twirl, yep... it's just the
nature of the beast. Making SIGINT always work immediately would
require some pretty drastic changes to the OS, and probably hurt
performance terribly.
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574[01:54:52] <ProfessorKaos64> yea, perhaps I can't
upgrade retroarch for my repo
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575[01:54:57] <ProfessorKaos64> I provide packages for Jessie
and SteamOS
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576[01:55:16] <ProfessorKaos64> I have an issue submitted to
them, so perhaps there is a workaround
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577[01:55:23] <ProfessorKaos64> I doubt I can backport that
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582[01:56:36] <ProfessorKaos64> YES! naptastic got it! at least
on SteamOS
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584[01:56:49] <ProfessorKaos64> Valve provides the package in
their repo , libegl-nvidia0
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585[01:56:52] <Twirl> naptastic: idc man, you can't justify
having to wait 30 minutes for a process that is also rendering the
whole terminal unusable because of too much output, i use tmux and
have 4 panels or sometimes more and just one process that sends too
much output and i can't do anything else, i would have to
launch a new terminal connect to the server and so on, that affects
my performance
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586[01:56:54] <ProfessorKaos64> perhaps they melded it in
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592[01:58:48] <naptastic> Twirl, yeah, I feel your pain (as a
formerly professional sysadmin and downtime post-mortem analyst) the
only thing worse is when the console is scrolling with OOM messages
about PHP processes...
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601[02:01:00] <Twirl> well, someone should make a systemd call
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604[02:01:56] <naptastic> A systemd call to fix PHP?
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611[02:04:25] <Twirl> no, to be able to kill out of control
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619[02:07:48] <soleluke> so i am trying to insall jessie on my
desktop. I am haing issues getting my NIC drivers installed. Its a
realtek 8168, get a message asking for them on reovable media,
unpack the realtek-all.deb on a usb and insert, no luck
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624[02:09:39] <naptastic> I remember having to do that one time
for an Intel PRO/100 card. I couldn't do the "removable
media" thing though, because the hosts were blades, and the
only connections were ethernet and serial. So I had to modify the
installer...
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625[02:09:42] <naptastic> ...never again...
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626[02:09:47] <naptastic> never again.
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632[02:14:02] <francium> I just installed a new system with a
btrfs filesystem, seperate home and root. How should I backup my
system? What do people use?
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672[02:33:56] <awwal> concerning cpu & ram usage, html5 and
adobe flash, regarding multimedia contents, are identical :(
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673[02:36:18] <awwal> and firefox /iceweasel playing html5
multimedia contents automatically when present in X website but not
requested still not solved :(
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686[02:48:05] <trysten> how can i edit a file such that changes
are saved in memory or written somewhere else?
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687[02:48:31] <soleluke> do :w <newfilepath> in vim
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689[02:48:40] <soleluke> that will save a copy at
<newfilepath>
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690[02:48:47] <trysten> I want to try to repair the partition
table of a disk image
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691[02:49:23] <trysten> without changing the disk image, and
it's absolutely huge
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692[02:49:27] <trysten> so i'd rather not make a copy
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693[02:49:33] <soleluke> i have no idea then
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694[02:49:45] <trysten> i was hoping i could remount that part
of the file system
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695[02:50:58] <shadows> no such thing (that I know of)
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699[02:51:48] <shadows> trysten: msdos partition info will be
the first 512 bytes
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702[02:52:04] <shadows> it's different if it is a GUID
partitioning or other partitioning
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703[02:52:17] <trysten> shadows: good point. i could just backup
the relevant areas
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704[02:52:29] <shadows> trysten: advise to backup all the data,
though
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705[02:52:43] <trysten> but there's got to be a solution
here. i know there are entire systems built around the same concept
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706[02:53:13] <trysten> i used to use computers that would
"wipe" all changes to the disk at every reboot, but
allowed nearly full access
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707[02:53:23] <trysten> they just didn't change the
original files
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708[02:53:27] <shadows> not to belittle your intelligence here,
I'm just speaking from experience having fouled things up badly
more often than not, and with dozens (if not hundreds, I am sure) of
attempts over the last 20 years
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710[02:54:09] <trysten> shadows: oh no.. absolutely.
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712[02:54:11] <shadows> when it goes well, you're still
betting that you are smarter than unknown data corruption and
that's a bad bet
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713[02:54:19] <trysten> i wouldn't risk it unless i knew
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714[02:54:46] <trysten> no the storage medium is fine. it's
an image of an cryptovirused disk from a server
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715[02:54:48] <shadows> trysten: what's the layout do you
think? one single partition?
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717[02:54:53] <shadows> oh
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718[02:55:06] * shadows offers sympathy
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719[02:55:18] <shadows> there was no backup?
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720[02:55:28] <shadows> not even old backup?
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721[02:55:46] <trysten> shadows: i know right.
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722[02:56:12] <trysten>
replaced-url
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723[02:56:31] <trysten> don't look at my disk identifier!
that's personal info!
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724[02:56:39] <shadows> well, depending how that was actuated,
an old backup with the disk label and partition layout would have
what you're asking about
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726[02:57:20] <shadows> how much is the ransom?
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728[02:57:41] <trysten> shadows: i'm guessing the file
system is fine. it's just that my favorite utility is refusing
to read the partition so i was going to let it rewrite the partition
table on an image
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729[02:57:47] <shadows> may as well just have client pay it and
tell them they could have avoided the cost by hiring you to help
them backup their data
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730[02:58:19] <trysten> shadows: yes. that's where im at.
however, i have some hope. the cryptovirus reached out to samba
mounted folders and encrypted the contents
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731[02:58:39] <trysten> i'm hoping that i'll be able
to "undelete" at least some of the files through ntfs
recovery
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732[02:58:52] <shadows> interesting problems
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733[02:58:57] <trysten> fun fun :D
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734[02:59:46] <shadows> I think this is not any different than
corrupted data though and some bad acting software
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735[03:00:17] <shadows> what I would do in those cases is update
the company policy, and double down on backups
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736[03:00:29] <trysten> well like i was saying, i don't
think it's corrupted at all, it's just not cooperating
with testdisk
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737[03:00:35] <shadows> that it's "cryptolocked"
just is a psychological issue
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738[03:00:47] <trysten> and technical..
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741[03:01:56] <shadows> not really
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744[03:02:42] <trysten> the files have been encrypted tho
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745[03:02:58] <shadows> it's the same scenario as a
disgruntled employee except, you have to treat all of your current
employees as if they are disgruntled ex-employees while they're
still working for you
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746[03:03:10] <shadows> pretty great psychological quandary
there
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747[03:04:12] <trysten> haha i see. you mean cryptovirus defense
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748[03:05:10] <trysten>
replaced-url
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782[03:24:03] <Zak718> hello
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785[03:25:10] <Zak718> I am trying to split a large kw list
"output.txt" into seperate 30k lists. I am using the
command split -l 30000 output.txt but the output files do not have
text extensions. How do i specify the output to be .txt files?
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788[03:27:19] <AlexLikeRock> why i can not open
replaced-url
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789[03:27:42] <AlexLikeRock> The connection has timed out
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790[03:27:42] <AlexLikeRock> The server at
replaced-url
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792[03:27:57] <AlexLikeRock> any one have problems ?
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794[03:28:04] <AlexLikeRock> im from mexico
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795[03:28:25] <Zak718> works fine for me
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796[03:28:33] <LtL> AlexLikeRock: no problem here, it's
your connection
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797[03:28:43] <AlexLikeRock> Mmmm :-(
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798[03:28:59] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: works for me too. also
there are "is it down?" websites you can use to check
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803[03:30:38] <Zak718> anyone have an answer for my split
command question?
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804[03:30:42] <abrotman> Zak718: you use the rename script after
the fact
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805[03:31:01] <AlexLikeRock> well
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806[03:31:02] <AlexLikeRock> tanks
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811[03:33:43] <Zak718> Alright, let me play with the rename
command, I am noob =/
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816[03:35:59] <dTal> pypi_install is so great
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818[03:36:40] <Sander^home> Hi. Do anyone know about a debian
based operating system which has a virtualization wrapper around it,
for easy upgrading? A desktop operating system version of coreos?
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829[03:39:51] <dTal> although it would be nice if the built .deb
didn't vanish if there's an install conflict. Oh, you had
the Python2 version and they conflict? Too bad you'll have to
build it all over
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841[03:45:08] <trysten> shadows: i'm going to use LVM
snapshot, which doesn't really help that much because i still
have to make an additional copy of this gigantic image
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842[03:45:21] <trysten> but yeah, it'll do what i want. if
you were curious
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844[03:46:03] <Sander^home> I would really want debian to be
wrapped in lxc.
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846[03:47:08] <abrotman> So do it
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855[03:49:17] <soleluke> so we ended up compiling the driver
from source from the tarball on the realtek website
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856[03:49:21] <soleluke> adn it worked
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859[03:50:52] <dvs> Strange, I thought the r8169 drive would
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891[04:08:20] <jml2> 8169 needs blobs
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892[04:08:27] <jml2> iirc
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893[04:08:32] <jml2> blob blob
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894[04:09:23] * naptastic blobs
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904[04:17:19] <Sander^home> abromat: How hard do you think it
is?
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906[04:17:40] <Sander^home> abrotman
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907[04:17:48] <Sander^home> Sorry.
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910[04:18:18] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: what are you trying to do
with LXC?
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915[04:20:16] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: I would like the
containerization/isolation part of lxc would wrap the whole
operating system inside a container, So I can make an iot cloud
operating system which is secure for updates.
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916[04:20:28] <Sander^home> For a destkop operating system.
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917[04:20:53] <Sander^home> *just like an secure iot cloud
operating system*
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918[04:21:28] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: iot?
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920[04:21:47] <Sander^home> Internet of things, embedded devices
which just works, with updates.
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921[04:22:14] <markybob> maybe i'm just old but i
don't understand. use chroot. you want to wrap an entire OS?
yeah. we've done that for decades.
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923[04:23:13] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: you want the host OS to
be "wrapped" by LXC somehow? How would that make it
"secure for updates"?
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924[04:23:55] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: becouse the update
mechanism would be outside of the container, in a secure place,
where none can reach it.
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927[04:24:27] <markybob> nope. still don't understand. i
don't know if i'm old or if the new folks are stupid.
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932[04:25:17] <Sander^home> markybob: Well. lxc provide more
isolation than chroot.
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933[04:25:22] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: what do you think is
going to reach the upgrade mechanism in Debian as it is now?
Especially if all services are running in LXC containers?
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934[04:25:25] <Sander^home> for example seccom.
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935[04:25:55] <Sander^home> *seccomp*
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941[04:26:54] <vlitzer> So Ive been trying to burn debian to a
USB drive and my lenovo P50 with EFI fails to read it. Used rufus
image creator, tried all the combinations, several different images,
and so far the onlything that I can actually use to boot is Ubuntu
:/ whats the trick to burning debian to a usb that will actually be
bootable under EFI? Tried the dvd stable image, testing netinst, and
both did not work :(
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942[04:26:59] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: the os would have a
service outside of the container, to trigger an update.
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943[04:27:09] <markybob> vlitzer: you did it wrong.
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944[04:27:10] <Sander^home> from inside it.
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945[04:27:23] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: one huge container, not
many small ones for each service.
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946[04:27:25] <markybob> !rufus
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947[04:27:25] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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948[04:27:34] <soleluke> for those curious, here is the blog
post that got me up and going with my realtek 8168 card
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949[04:27:37] <markybob> vlitzer: are you burning with windows?
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950[04:27:42] <vlitzer> markybob: yes
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951[04:27:44] <markybob> !win32diskimager
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952[04:27:44] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
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953[04:27:50] <vlitzer> alright then
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954[04:28:07] <soleluke> also, when i was burning my iso
yesterday, i had much better luck with win32diskimager than any
other tool
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956[04:28:19] <markybob> vlitzer: fyi live doesn't support
efi
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958[04:28:28] <Sander^home> markybob: If you see here, then I
would want the container lockdown security part of lxc:
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959[04:28:30] <vlitzer> thats fine, I just want to install it
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960[04:28:45] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: oh. so the upgrade
happens in a container, and then the host OS benefits from the
upgrade somehow?
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961[04:28:48] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: ^
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963[04:29:02] <markybob> Sander^home: everything i've read
about openvz makes me want to puke
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964[04:29:03] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: no, the other way around.
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965[04:29:12] <vlitzer> any trick for keeping a dualboot with
debian under efi?
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966[04:29:32] <markybob> vlitzer: no. the installer will do it
automatically
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967[04:29:32] <Sander^home> markybob: I agree, but lxc also got
it.
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968[04:29:37] <markybob> vlitzer: if you don't use live
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969[04:29:58] <vlitzer> markybob: cool
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971[04:30:02] <Sander^home> markybob: thats just a good
comparision about which features is where.
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977[04:30:37] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: the upgrade happens
outside the container, which upgrades the content of the container
(the operating system).
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978[04:30:47] <jmcnaught> Sander^home:
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979[04:32:02] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: also what you're
talking about would me changing files that running programs might
have open, so stuff will still need to be restarted
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982[04:34:49] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: yes, thats true, But if
something is hacked, the locked down part outside the container
could figure out that things changed, and force trough an fix.
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985[04:36:05] <Sander^home> So this will have to be a cloud
operating system, in the same was as chromeos and windows 10 is
doing it.
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987[04:36:20] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: ^
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989[04:36:37] <markybob> wait, what? chromeos in cloud? what is
going on here? why? what?
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990[04:37:00] <naptastic> I was at OSCON last week. I am so
buzzworded out, I just can't even.
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994[04:37:46] <mutante> naptastic's client wasn't
webscale
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995[04:38:38] <Sander^home> markybob: chromeos is a linux
operating system with only chrome inside it, updates automaticly,
was the first operating system who used linux kernel seccomp
security feature to lock down the browser.
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996[04:39:22] <Sander^home> markybob: download it, or buy a
chromebook or chromebox.
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997[04:39:33] <Sander^home> Untill then, its hard to imagine.
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998[04:39:48] <markybob> Sander^home: i know what chromeos is. i
don't think you know what the cloud is and is just using
"cloud" term as the marketing people do
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1000[04:40:07] <markybob> i've had several chromebooks
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1004[04:41:18] <bird_control> how do I assign permissions to
/media/user/HDDUSB/Movies ? chmod -R 777 is not helping...
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1005[04:41:37] <markybob> bird_control: what's the
filesystem?
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1006[04:41:47] <Sander^home> markybob: Yeah, I guess I used that
word a littlebit wrong. But it feels good when you can send a
message to google and make them call you up to fix it.
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1007[04:41:57] <bird_control> its an external hdd and I believe
its NTFS...
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1009[04:42:13] <markybob> bird_control: so that's why. ntfs
has no idea what 777 is
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1010[04:42:35] <markybob> bird_control: chown it
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1012[04:43:12] <Sander^home> markybob: have you tried it?:p
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1014[04:43:45] <markybob> Sander^home: 02:40 < markybob>
i've had several chromebooks
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1018[04:44:02] <Sander^home> markybob: I meant, tried sending in
a support ticket..?
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1019[04:44:08] <Sander^home> to google.
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1020[04:44:15] <bird_control> markybob chown it. just chown
/folder/folder.. ?
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1022[04:44:24] <markybob> Sander^home: of course
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1023[04:45:04] <markybob> bird_control: no. you want to do chown
-R user:user /folder/wtf
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1024[04:45:55] <markybob> bird_control: as root/sudo obviously
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1025[04:45:59] <Sander^home> markybob: ok :-) did you know that
windows 10 have such a container techology?
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1028[04:46:16] <markybob> Sander^home: i don't know anything
about windows.
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1029[04:46:19] <Sander^home> Maybe wrong channel to ask about
that :-p
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1032[04:46:45] <Sander^home> markybob: ok. did you still not
understand my idea?
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1035[04:48:05] <vlitzer> markybob: it did not work, my bios is
not letting me boot that image :(
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1036[04:48:15] <markybob> Sander^home: i get the idea. i
don't know how it works or why you want it. chroot was always
good to me. *shrug*
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1037[04:49:10] <markybob> vlitzer: you never told me what image
you used.
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1038[04:49:25] <vlitzer> debian stable 8.4 dvd from the main page
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1039[04:50:19] <vlitzer> markybob: renamed the iso to img and
burned it
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1041[04:50:28] <markybob> vlitzer: see, shit like that makes
people irritated. main page if you click on download gives you
multiarch netinst. so we can't trust what you say
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1042[04:50:46] <markybob> not dvd
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1043[04:51:25] <vlitzer> markybob: you are right, was booting to
get the name: debian-8.40-amd64-DVD-1.iso
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1045[04:51:48] <vlitzer> just typed that, so it might not be the
exact name.
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1046[04:52:52] <vlitzer> the weird part is, the ubuntu image I
burned using rufus boots just fine, I wonder what I am missing to
make the debian image work
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1047[04:52:56] <Artemis3> no legacy/CSM mode in that laptop?
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1049[04:53:16] <vlitzer> Artemis3: there is, but I want to keep
EFI on
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1050[04:53:25] <Artemis3> are you dual booting?
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1051[04:53:30] <vlitzer> thats the intention
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1052[04:53:31] <markybob> the difference is debian uses hybrid
isos
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1053[04:53:37] <bird_control> I just chowned my external hdd. I
am a chowner.
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1054[04:53:40] <jmcnaught> vlitzer: you used win32diskimager this
time?
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1055[04:53:45] <vlitzer> jmcnaught: yes
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1056[04:53:49] <Artemis3> vlitzer, if you haven't installed
the other OS, then it doesn't matter
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1057[04:54:09] <vlitzer> Artemis3: currently only w10 and an
empty space for my linux resides on my hd
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1058[04:54:27] <Artemis3> vlitzer, ok then you already have it
installed, nvm.
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1061[04:55:33] <jmcnaught> vlitzer: what happens when you try to
boot? do you get a chance to select the USB drive? is there an
error?
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1063[04:55:52] <vlitzer> nothing, it just sits there like there
was no boot medium
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1064[04:56:38] <jmcnaught> vlitzer: does it work on a different
computer?
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1065[04:57:10] <vlitzer> I can try it on my x230, although it has
traditional MBR since I disabled efi on that one
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1066[04:57:31] <markybob> vlitzer: doesn't matter. he wants
to know if the burn/usb is good
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1067[04:58:00] <vlitzer> markybob: jmcnaught: yes trying now
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1069[04:58:24] <Artemis3> vlitzer, i assume you have secure boot
disabled yes?
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1070[04:58:44] <Sander^home> markybob: chroot removes the whole
operating system on file level. seccomp does it on an application
process level, so its impossible to get out of it, even if it runs
on the same files.
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1072[04:59:32] <markybob> Sander^home: i'm not ignorant on
what it does. i just don't understand the why. :P
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1077[05:00:34] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: yes, those guys making
systemupdates might make the btrfs image snapshots outside of a
seccomp container.
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1081[05:01:20] <vlitzer> image boots just fine on my x230. No, I
did not disable secure boot
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1085[05:01:57] <dvs> that's why
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1086[05:02:33] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: which guys?
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1087[05:02:36] <markybob> vlitzer: that was for you btw
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1088[05:02:39] <vlitzer> but I dont want to disable EFI
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1089[05:02:48] <markybob> vlitzer: debain does not support secure
boot
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1090[05:02:53] <vlitzer> :(
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1091[05:02:54] <Sander^home> markybob:
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1092[05:03:00] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: sorry^
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1094[05:04:05] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: oh yes. what they're
talking about though is booting the computer into a special
"upgrades" target that does the upgrades, and then reboots
again into the normal target
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1097[05:06:31] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: I think its more sexy to
use seccomp, and not require two reboots, but I love that option
aswell.
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1098[05:07:06] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: anything that changes
will still need to be restarted
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1101[05:08:03] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: Yes, but none will notice
a diffrence from how it is now, with the upgrades, they will need to
be restarted today too.
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1104[05:09:32] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: problem is when the
operating system alters the upgrades target.
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1105[05:10:10] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: what is the problem?
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1106[05:10:10] <Sander^home> If its inside seccomp, you can make
it not be able to alter the upgrades target.
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1108[05:11:08] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: compromised servers.
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1109[05:11:23] <Sander^home> or even, desktop systems.
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1112[05:12:37] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: you're explaining
the threat or attack vector here. Altering the upgrade target is the
point of upgrades. Is there going to be some test that the upgrade
was applied properly before the target it upgraded or something?
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1114[05:12:55] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: anyways, probably better
to move this to #debian-offtopic since it's not really support
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1116[05:13:23] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: ok.
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1122[05:16:22] <[Saint]> Assuming one or more of you do, how do
you manage automatic decryption of an ecryptfs ~ volume with a key
and passphrase based ssh login with password verification disabled
in sshd?
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1125[05:16:54] <[Saint]> I have a system to manage this presently
on a headless server, but I feel it to be...inelegant.
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1134[05:21:08] <[Saint]> My current solution is a small script at
~/.bash_login.d/10-ecryptfs.sh (~/.bash_login is modified to run all
the scriptlets in .bash_login.d) that I have dropped in the
unencrypted version of my user's $HOME, and this checks if it
is an ecryptfs volume and if automount is true.
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1138[05:22:04] <[Saint]> Then it does ecryptfs-mount-private, and
I get the prompt for the passphrase, then it drops into the
decrypted home and begins sourcing my dotfiles and such.
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1141[05:23:36] <[Saint]> I guess what I'm asking is,
"Is there a better way to do this?", given the caveats of:
ssh based login, ssh key+passphrase, password based login disabled,
headless environment.
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1162[05:42:42] <jmcnaught> [Saint]: seems like ecryptfs-utils
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1164[05:45:41] <[Saint]> yes, but there's a few bugs against
it marked as WONTFIX as far as I recall. It would work if I was
using password based login on ssh, or if I didn't use an
encrypted home volume, or possibly if I was using a full desktop
environment.
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1172[05:52:33] <[Saint]> jmcnaught: My Google Fu is /fairly/
strong, and everything I find on the subject suggests that with the
setup I describe that automatic decryption over ssh in any seamless
fashion isn't possible.
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1174[05:53:32] <[Saint]> I understand why this is the case, I was
just wondering how other people manage this, as I feel like I
can't be the only one with key and passphrase based ssh login
with password disabled and a ecryptfs home volume.
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1175[05:53:34] <jmcnaught> [Saint]: i don't know i've
never used ecryptfs. is the problem that you use keys for SSH and
the pam module needs a password?
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1177[05:53:54] <[Saint]> Right.
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1181[05:54:50] <[Saint]> So I was wondering how people automate
handing off to encryptfs-mount-private after ssh authentication and
then drop into the newly decrypted home and source the environment
dotfiles.
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1183[05:55:10] <[Saint]> I already have a solution for this that
is functional, but it feels ugly to me.
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1184[05:55:28] <[Saint]> So I am more than curious, lets say,
about any solutions for this that others may have.
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1185[05:55:49] <jmcnaught> would requiring key AND password be
acceptable?
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1188[05:57:26] <[Saint]> Hmmm. I guess I could do
key+passphrase+password, in typical 'thinking about it too
hard' fashion I had not actually considered that.
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1190[05:58:48] <jmcnaught> you could sell it as two factor
authentication :)
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1191[06:00:15] <[Saint]> Hah. I already do have yubikey based 2FA
as well. As well as user/hostname/MAC and port knock code checking.
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1192[06:00:39] <[Saint]> I doubt the latter could really be
thought of as additional factors though.
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1194[06:00:54] <[Saint]> But my ssh is somewhat militant, yes.
Indeed.
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1206[06:10:46] <[Saint]> Thanks for not being #ubuntu, by the
way.
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1207[06:11:09] <[Saint]> First response I get is polite, genuine,
and actually helpful.
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1208[06:11:30] <[Saint]> The exact opposite of #ubuntu - I was
kinda iffy about even asking here.
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1209[06:11:51] <jmcnaught> this is a decent channel for sure
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1224[06:22:13] <Sander^home> jmcnaught: how do I set
ProtectSystem= in systemd to full? or is this enabled by default?
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1231[06:26:20] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: ProtectSystem= is a
directive you can use in service units. "man systemd.unit"
talks about units in general, and shows how to use foo.service.d
directories to add/override directives for a unit
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1234[06:27:14] <jmcnaught> Sander^home: "man
systemd.service" for more specific information about service
units, and check the "SEE ALSO" sections for each man page
too
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to systemd the blog series is a good introduction:
replaced-url
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1358[07:30:14] <sukhoi> hi
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1359[07:30:28] <yurakeshi> hello =)
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1364[07:33:20] <galex-713> are guile-sdl and guile-ncurse
packaged with guile?
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1537[08:27:32] <notadrop> Hi, how close is gNewSense to Debian? I
understand it to be Debian sans non-free things and Debian branding.
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1554[08:30:39] <mutante> notadrop: pretty much and minus some
docs about non-free stuff afaict
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1556[08:31:11] <notadrop> mutante, if I installed gNewSense and
came here for support, would I be laughed out of the room?
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1557[08:31:18] <notadrop> #gnewsense has 22 users
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1559[08:31:54] <mutante> notadrop: i'm afraid it would be an
issue yea, maybe #fsf ?
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1560[08:32:16] <notadrop> mutante, okay, but nobody there uses it
:/
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1561[08:32:21] <notadrop> I think I'll go with GuixSD
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1562[08:32:26] <notadrop> why not go full GNU?
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1565[08:32:50] <mutante> notadrop: Debian GNU/Hurd ?;p
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1566[08:33:18] <notadrop> mutante, that is the goal eventually :D
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1567[08:33:23] <notadrop> oh wait
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1568[08:33:28] <notadrop> I meant Guix GNU/Hurd
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1569[08:33:42] <notadrop> mutante, I wonder if Hurd even supports
my hardware
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1570[08:33:55] <mutante> notadrop: i ask about it about once
every 2 years for fun
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1571[08:33:59] <notadrop> heh
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1572[08:34:05] <mutante> similar to using coreboot
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1573[08:34:15] <notadrop> I use the Libre fork of coreboot,
#libreboot
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1574[08:34:33] <mutante> oh, nice
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1575[08:34:39] <notadrop> 100% FOSS running on this machine,
except for CPU microcode courtesy of Intel
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1577[08:34:43] <notadrop> no nonfree firmware
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1579[08:34:47] <notadrop> or software.
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1581[08:37:28] <themill> except for the firmware that's
already on every single chip
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1595[08:41:13] <neoncortex> hey, someone tell to the xombrero
package maintainer to add gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad as dependecy,
please, i have lost hours to discover why youtube was without audio
because this -.-
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1596[08:41:45] <notadrop> themill, Libreboot is a replacement for
the system firmware
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1600[08:42:38] <mutante> neoncortex: maybe type
"reportbug" , select the xombrero package, paste that line
in there
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1603[08:43:18] <themill> notadrop: there's firmware on just
about every non-trivial chip in your machine including video, sata,
usb controller, network controller, ..., you just don't see it
from userspace or kernel space. Doesn't mean it's not
there though.
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1606[08:43:37] <notadrop> themill, yeah
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1607[08:43:42] <notadrop> unfortunately
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1608[08:43:51] <notadrop> this is better than a locked down new
computer, though
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1609[08:43:55] <notadrop> progress is better than nothing
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1610[08:44:15] <jelly> it's not progress, it's false
hope
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1611[08:44:30] <neoncortex> mutante: oh, cool
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1614[08:47:16] <notadrop> jelly, okay, you stick with that
attitude
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1616[08:47:28] <notadrop> we'll see whose attitude gets the
free software movement further...
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1617[08:47:51] <themill> no, pretending that you don't have
firmware because you're not loading it from userspace does
nothing
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1619[08:48:02] <notadrop> well, okay, I do have firmware
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1622[08:48:31] <themill> all it does is encourage manufacturers
to go back to the bad old days where you had to flash firmware in a
potentially brick-making manner and it was a big deal to upgrade
firmware.
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1624[08:48:49] <notadrop> themill, does RMS's computer have
entirely free firmware?
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1625[08:48:55] <sumi> hello
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1626[08:49:01] <themill> unless he's been making his own
silicon, no.
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1627[08:49:10] <notadrop> well
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1628[08:49:23] <notadrop> I rest my case
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1630[08:49:38] <notadrop> if I'm not *hardcore* enough then
neither is he
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1633[08:50:35] <themill> so that's my point, stop trying to
pretend you're a hero. You've got a box and it's
running stuff just like everyone else
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1636[08:51:19] <notadrop> fair enough.
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1639[08:52:27] <notadrop> personally, I think the more of the
system that is FOSS and able to be modified by the user, the better.
false hope? maybe.
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1640[08:52:39] <notadrop> FOS S/H
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1641[08:53:07] <notadrop> you're right, though. FOSS is
nice, but we need FOSH
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1680[09:16:01] <thekrynn_> anyone know why screen creation times
tend to change ever so slightly when invoking screen -ls
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1689[09:19:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> I couldn't say that they do
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1744[09:41:29] <jim> can someone help me set up a oackage proxy
(at minimum, a link describing it)... I want to be able to suggest
it to people installing linux so they don't have to download
packages twice
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1749[09:43:17] <jim> I'll check on oftc
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1765[09:52:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> jim, why'd they download
packages twice?
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1767[09:52:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh well... then on oftc
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1782[09:58:58] <chalcedony> i'm on the pretty blue install
screen for debian 8
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1783[09:59:04] <chalcedony> on the usb stick
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1784[09:59:17] <chalcedony> but when i do the installation it
freaks out and wants a cd-rom
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1785[09:59:35] <chalcedony> is debian 8 not able to be installed
from a usb?
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1787[09:59:49] <fireba11> chalcedony: of course it is
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1788[09:59:59] <chalcedony> fireba11, ty for replying
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1789[10:00:07] <chalcedony> what do i need to do to make it do
that?
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1790[10:00:12] <babilen> How did you write the image to the USB
stick?
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1794[10:00:30] <chalcedony> babilen, with Rufus on my windows 7
laptop.
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1797[10:01:07] <fireba11>
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1798[10:01:08] <chalcedony> it all looked pretty good until i got
past 'keyboard'
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1799[10:01:11] <fireba11> chalcedony: that works fine too :-D
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1802[10:01:31] <babilen> chalcedony: Hmm, no experiences with
this, but I know that some tools (such as unetbootin) break the
installer. On Windows we generally recommend win32diskimagner
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1804[10:01:55] <fireba11> chalcedony: rufus works i'm using
it myself. (netinstall image)
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1805[10:02:04] <chalcedony> fireba11, ok then that's not it
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1807[10:02:29] <babilen> It might still be worth a try (usb
sticks are different)
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1808[10:02:55] <babilen> I mean it would, at least, allow us to
rule out that
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1815[10:04:38] <chalcedony> fireba11, yes that's what i have
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1816[10:04:57] <chalcedony> the gigabyte board is new. should not
have other problems
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1818[10:05:16] <chalcedony> is the regular install likely to not
see usb?
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1819[10:06:05] <fireba11> chalcedony: on a skylake boards
that's a possibility
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1820[10:06:18] <chalcedony> skylake?
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1821[10:06:31] <fireba11> newest isomething generation
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1822[10:06:36] <chalcedony> ah
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1823[10:06:50] <chalcedony> let me go find a dvd i guess
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1824[10:07:09] <chalcedony> this worked before. it ought to work.
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1864[10:30:55] <[Saint]> Is anyone here familiar with the
cryptsetup early ssh initramfs hooks?
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1865[10:31:37] <[Saint]> It seems to be a fairly elegant solution
to remote unlocking a server with full disk encryption in early
boot.
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1868[10:33:41] <[Saint]> But it involves the root user being
active, which is mildly annoying. Though perhaps I could add locking
the root password as a startup script and unlocking it as a
reboot/shutdown script?
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1870[10:34:13] <[Saint]> This is what I'm talking about by
the way:
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1871[10:34:14] <[Saint]>
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1896[10:47:35] <rudi_s> [Saint]: What do you mean with "But
it involves the root user being active"?
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1904[10:48:27] <[Saint]> rudi_s: sorry, that was unnecessarily
vague stream-of-consciousness rambling wasn't it?
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1907[10:48:39] <[Saint]> I mean, it requires that I unlock my
root password.
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1908[10:48:50] <[Saint]> which I don't generally do.
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1910[10:49:27] <rudi_s> Still confused. The unlocking happens via
ssh-key. How is "root" involved?
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1916[10:53:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> seems he's confused, not you
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1917[10:54:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> but maybe what he means is that
he normally completely disables login for root from outside
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1918[10:54:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> which still doesn't have
anything to do with this :-/
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1919[10:55:18] <rudi_s> True. You must use root@, but only to
unlock the disk and it's not the same root than the one inside
the system.
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1925[10:57:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's a nice idea...
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1927[10:57:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> still need someone to press the
button after a power failure
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1928[10:58:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I wonder if it's worth
the effort for the one time it may become relevant a year
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1929[10:58:06] <rudi_s> Unless the BIOS supports boot on power
failure.
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1930[10:58:19] <rudi_s> But yeah, nice to have.
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1931[10:58:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> or wake on lan
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1932[10:59:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> which it probably does
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1936[10:59:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> haven't set that up, though
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1941[11:00:32] <telecity> [Saint]: yeah it ran the dropbear sshd
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1942[11:00:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> and you need root on a machine on
the same net that is already on to send wake-on-lan, I think
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1944[11:00:58] <telecity> it involves encrypting the rootfs with
cryptsetup/luks
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1947[11:01:29] <telecity> kernel starts, tries to launch init,
rootfs being encrypted
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1950[11:02:51] <telecity> dropbear sshd spawns, you ssh into the
box, luksOpen and the boot process continues
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1953[11:03:38] <telecity> i don't see any problem allowing
root with PKI
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1955[11:04:11] <telecity> custom port, root with pki
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1957[11:04:24] <telecity> modify the login prompt as well
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1958[11:04:40] <telecity> use ECDSA
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1959[11:04:46] <telecity> what could go wrong?
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1961[11:05:34] <six86> Anyone expert in installing/preseeding? I
managed to get a uefi preseeded stick to installing, but a script
called "60remove-live-packages" is removing the packages I
install during preseed and also big parts of ubuntu...
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1962[11:05:38] <unborn> is it okay to install .deb file by just
clicking on it? or shall I use dpkg -i *.deb command? I mean what is
better or where is difference?
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1967[11:06:30] <telecity> [Saint]:
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1970[11:07:22] <telecity> unborn: cli would always be better I
suspect, but probably no difference
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1971[11:07:35] <telecity> unborn: as the UI is a wrapper over
CLI, most likely
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1973[11:08:24] <unborn> thank you for explanation telecity im
just about to install wifi driver but did not know if there is some
special differences about the way how it installs it..
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1974[11:08:30] <telecity> unborn: so better support in CLI in
terms of consistency in displaying err messages by default
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1975[11:08:44] <unborn> true
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1978[11:09:15] <telecity> unborn: like i said it's probably
the same, unless there'd be bugs in the UI.. just that CLI
might be more informative / more easy to debug
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1979[11:10:36] <telecity> six86: no expert at all, but you can
disable the script?
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1981[11:11:34] <six86> telecity: How. And where does it come from
in the first place? I can't find it in the iso file. And after
all, why is it uninstalling parts of the system?
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1984[11:12:01] <telecity> six86: how did you find out that it was
responsible in the first plac?
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1985[11:12:02] <telecity> e*
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1987[11:13:00] <six86> telecity: I can see it in de
/var/log/installer/syslog file. Even after my late-command script
there is a apt call that removes almost everything from the system.
And above it is stated that the mentioned script is executed.
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1988[11:13:20] <telecity> six86: path mentioned?
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1990[11:14:47] <six86> telecity:
/usr/lib/finish-install.d/60remove-live-packages
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1996[11:16:14] <telecity> six86: how did you search the image
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1999[11:18:37] <six86> telecity: Opened with ark, looked throud
the initrd files ans also extracted the squashfs image
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2000[11:19:37] <telecity> six86: path was missing? tried to
binary grep as well?
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2002[11:20:49] <six86> telecity: No, did not try that. I would
like to understand why it is removing almost the whole system... Had
no problems with 12.04 with a similar preseed setup.
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2005[11:22:18] <six86> telecity:
replaced-url
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2006[11:22:28] <six86> Thats the excerpt of the installer log
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2007[11:23:18] <JohnBalushy> I just installed debian jessie with
the default gnome shell DE. It's not a necessity but I was just
wondering is it usual that I don't have an option to turn on
background transparency in the terminal?
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2008[11:23:28] <JohnBalushy> * Gnome Terminal to be specific
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2011[11:24:38] <JohnBalushy> Under edit-Profile
Preferences->Colors there is usually an option to turn off the
transparent backgrounf.
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2018[11:31:39] <[Saint]> telecity: I ended up settling on this
nice little wrapper script to set up the environment for dropbear
early ssh
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2019[11:31:40] <[Saint]>
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2060[11:59:13] <fireba11> [Saint]: missted most of the
conversation, was that for unlocking luks via ssh?
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2061[12:00:24] <fireba11> tried that once and didn't get it
working with dropbear
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2072[12:05:37] <k_sze[work]> Hi guys.
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2073[12:05:45] <k_sze[work]> What's the proper way to make a
service start at reboot?
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2074[12:06:10] <k_sze[work]> My colleague has already defined the
init.d script, systemd unit, and whatnot.
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2075[12:06:19] <k_sze[work]> We're only missing one thing it
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2096[12:13:19] <teraflops> k_sze[work]: a systemd unit file
sounds right
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2101[12:14:45] <fireba11> k_sze[work]: the old way with init.d
was running update-rc.d for it
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2103[12:15:05] <k_sze[work]> hmm, maybe not the systemd unit file
after all.
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2105[12:15:19] <fireba11> not 100% sure about systemd,
haven't really used it yet
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2106[12:15:51] <hexnewbie> Aren't there hooks so that
update-rc.d enables the systemd unit as well, while "systemctl
enable" also has a hook to enable the init script in case you
switch back?
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2107[12:16:35] <hexnewbie> Otherwise, update-rc.d and/or insserv
for the init script (those confuse me a little bit), and
"systemctl enable ..." for the systemd unit
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2109[12:17:19] <teraflops> in my exprience a systemd unit file is
way simpler than an initd script
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2115[12:18:05] <hexnewbie> That's true, however I already
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2162[12:42:51] <k_sze[work]> So if it's just an old-school
init.d script, I should use update-rc.d?
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2166[12:47:33] <chalcedony> i can't get the realtek drivers
to burn to the cd. the box won't see the usb
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2167[12:47:59] <chalcedony> imgburn should make the dvd. really.
what do you set?
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2181[12:57:03] <FNTM-U3> Hi
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2182[12:57:10] <FNTM-U3> I want to edit a GTK2/3 theme.
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2183[12:57:16] <FNTM-U3> all and all it is good but I want to
change the font of it. Yes the font. it is hard coded per say in the
theme. I cant change it with lxappearance or ....
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2185[12:57:35] <FNTM-U3> any software to use of the theme or what
are the files I should be editing by hands?
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2201[13:10:31] <unborn> does gnome in debian use compiz?
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2208[13:15:33] <teraflops> unborn: nope, it uses mutter
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2209[13:16:20] <unborn> thanks teraflops
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2210[13:16:25] <teraflops> np
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2214[13:18:22] <unborn> man if kazam will works I can finally
remove ubuntu from desktop
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2216[13:19:58] <teraflops> ,v gtk-recordmydesktop
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2217[13:19:59] <judd> Package: gtk-recordmydesktop on amd64 --
squeeze: 0.3.8-3; wheezy: 0.3.8-4.1; sid: 0.3.8-4.1; jessie:
0.3.8-4.1; stretch: 0.3.8-4.1
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2221[13:21:11] <teraflops> unborn: what does kazam do that e.g
recordmydesktop doesn't?
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2223[13:21:23] <unborn> teraflops: ah I dont like that software..
had much issues in past with it.. kazam no issues at all
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2224[13:21:28] <teraflops> ,v recordmydesktop
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2225[13:21:29] <judd> Package: recordmydesktop on amd64 --
wheezy: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; squeeze: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; stretch:
0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; jessie: 0.3.8.1+svn602-1+b1; sid:
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2228[13:22:25] <jim> having installed the grub-efi-amd64 package,
how would I get it to build an image suitable for writing to the
ESP?
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2229[13:22:32] <teraflops> unborn: hmm I dont think you need
_any_ sw for recording the desktop
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2232[13:23:11] <unborn> teraflops: I do.. there is not natively
build anything to record video and audio into one file
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2233[13:23:31] <teraflops> unborn: ffmpeg does it also gstreamer
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2235[13:23:53] <teraflops> you can grab the audio too of course
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2236[13:24:25] <unborn> teraflops: ah yes.. I tried those,
quality was very low I mean image quality but perhaps I've done
it wrong
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2237[13:24:25] <teraflops> unborn: there's like 1k examples
on the internet
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2238[13:24:46] <teraflops> unborn: anyway I was just saying
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2243[13:28:51] <teraflops> unborn: e.g
replaced-url
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2249[13:31:52] <unborn> thank you teraflops I am going to try
once netinstall finish.. heh if that works I will be happy
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2250[13:32:09] <teraflops> ;)
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2252[13:32:43] <unborn> gdm3 or lightdm? eh
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2254[13:33:07] <unborn> first time installing gui on debian :D
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2256[13:33:18] <six86> removed my late-command file... Still no
nano, man etc. Something goes wrong at the instalaltion here
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2262[13:34:06] <teraflops> lightdm sounds lighter (regarding
deps), if youre going to install gnome then gdm is fine I suppose
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2263[13:34:11] <Rephlexie> unborn, I use light or slim
personally, less deps
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2265[13:35:01] <unborn> im installing gnome and cinnamon so I can
compare which would be better for my every day usage..
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2266[13:35:25] <unborn> so I am going to try gdm3 - I guess I can
always re-install
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2272[13:39:11] <teraflops> six86: how did you install debian?
expert mode? what options did you pick?
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2321[14:01:08] <mtnman> how can i find out the identifier (hciX)
for a bluetooth headset so i can configure it with
bluez-simple-agent?
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2359[14:20:43] <AlexPortable> Which packages do I need to run
firefox fullscreen?
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2362[14:22:02] <dTal> The F11 key?
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2367[14:24:14] <AlexPortable> pressing f11 on the commandline
won't do anything
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2368[14:24:26] <AlexPortable> do I need a window manager?
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2369[14:24:37] <unborn> okay strange.. I cannot add the printer..
seems to me that adding printer something crashes
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2375[14:28:36] <unborn> okay.. that happens only in cinnamon not
on gnome so its all cool
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2379[14:30:20] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: A window manager does
help. What are you trying to achieve?
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2380[14:31:19] <six86> I just don't get it... As soon as I
use a preseed file my setup results in a crippled ubuntu server
without "man" or "nano" or...
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2382[14:32:30] <petn-randall> six86: Sounds like you should be
asking in #ubuntu.
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2384[14:33:11] <six86> petn-randall: I did. for 2 days, but seems
like there's nobody around with knowledge of preseeding
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2390[14:34:30] <petn-randall> six86: We can't help you with
Ubuntu server in here. It's probably using different versions
of tools, anyway.
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2394[14:35:12] <six86> I think preseeding is pretty much the same
in debian and ubuntu.
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2395[14:35:54] <teraflops> six86: not at all starting by the
installer
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2396[14:35:59] <six86> used this preseeding for 2 years so
something must have changed... But I will keep asking in #ubuntu ...
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2397[14:36:09] <petn-randall> six86: It's still off-topic in
here, sorry.
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2408[14:41:52] <abrotman> six86: there used to be #ubuntu-server,
not sure if that still exists, good luck
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2409[14:42:13] <six86> abrotman: thx
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2418[14:46:20] <exfalso> hi, i'm trying to create a package
that requires g++ >= 5 to build, however the launchpad build
cannot find it if i specify it in Build-Depends with g++-5 (>=
5.2.1-10). Anyone knows how to do this?
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2421[14:46:59] <exfalso> here is the log of the build
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2429[14:51:49] <unborn> debian with gui is so awesome however
does anyone can recommend me to replace activities with normal menu
like?
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2451[15:04:13] <Aorious> Hi, I have two hosts running Debian on
the same WLAN, which can ping each other. However, with file sharing
turned on, they do not show under nautlius' 'Browse
Network'. How do I fix this?
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2458[15:05:20] <Aorious> Are there any options that do not
involve using samba?
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2489[15:15:32] <teraflops> Aorious: what do you type in nautilus?
also, do you have gvfs-backends package installed?
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2499[15:17:56] <Aorious> teraflops, I have base systems, nothing
installled. I type nothing into nautilus, instead clicked
'Browse Network', on the places side panel. I am looking
for the default GUI method to share files between linux hosts.
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2501[15:18:36] <Aorious> Click 'Browse Network', after
enabling sharing in the gnome settings.
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2502[15:18:40] <teraflops> Aorious: well you have gnome,
haven't you?
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2504[15:18:51] <Aorious> teraflops, yes.
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2505[15:19:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys
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2506[15:19:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> for some reason i got two ips on my
desktop here, and it is screwing with my puppet updates,
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2507[15:19:42] <Aorious> teraflops, *I have nothing extra
install, apart from the base system.
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2508[15:19:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> how i removed them?
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2509[15:20:23] <teraflops> Aorious: heh gnome is not _base_ at
all
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2511[15:21:17] <teraflops> Aorious: tried typing in nautilus
smb://servername(or the ip address)/share?
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2512[15:21:19] <Aorious> Aorious, Oh, *default install of the
desktop stable iso.
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2513[15:21:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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2514[15:22:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> it seems that when i bring it down
then then ifup eth0 i get my static, but then i restart networking
/etc/init.d/networking i get two ips,
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2515[15:22:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> for eth0.
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2516[15:22:21] <teraflops> Aorious: also gvfs-backends package
handles it for nautilus so check if you have it installed, idk if it
gets installed by default with gnome
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2520[15:23:48] <teraflops> Aorious: btw if you want name
resolution in your lan avahi sounds like a good choice
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2522[15:24:55] <Aorious> teraflops, Will doing all of that give
me 'network discovery'?
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2523[15:25:24] <teraflops> Aorious: avahi? yes
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2533[15:29:48] <Aorious> teraflops, gvfs-backends was installed
already. smb://servername/share did not work, but smb://servername
gave me a 'Windows shares on ..' folder. Now I will setup
avahi.
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2545[15:36:23] <Aorious> teraflops, So does Gnome use smb by
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2553[15:37:57] <markybob> Aorious: apt-cache show gvfs-backends
tells you what it supports. nfs is not one of them
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2561[15:41:21] <Serajewe1KS> i'm looking at this guide
replaced-url
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2578[15:52:22] <Serajewe1KS> is the IDE1 #1 partition supposed to
be /boot, even though it's not labeled that way in the
screenshots?
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2581[15:52:37] <antzero> I'm trying to install teamviewer
but I keep getting a dependency error on "libpng12-0"
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2582[15:52:44] <antzero> I already tried to add x86 as
architecture on dpkg, apt-get install -f, apt-get update and upgrade
but still no luck
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2583[15:52:50] <antzero> Should I add some repo to get that
package?
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2586[15:53:23] <teraflops> antzero: install -f ? so the package
is not from debian repos?
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2590[15:53:46] <antzero> It was advised by the teamviewer page
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2591[15:53:52] <AlexPortable> petn-randall: i'm trying to
achieve a thin client with citrix
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2599[15:54:29] <teraflops> ,v libpng12-0
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2600[15:54:30] <judd> Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- squeeze:
1.2.44-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.2.44-1+squeeze4;
squeeze-security-lts: 1.2.44-1+squeeze6; wheezy-security:
1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security:
1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2
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2603[15:54:44] <themill> dpkg: tell antzero about cross-post
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2604[15:55:05] <teraflops> antzero: and from which os is the
package? ubuntu?
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2606[15:56:21] <antzero> teraflops: How do I know that?
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2608[15:56:50] <teraflops> read from where you grabbed the
package
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2614[15:58:01] <antzero> It's in jessie, too
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2615[15:58:48] <teraflops> teamviewer?
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2616[15:58:54] <antzero> I added jessie in sources.list and
apparently it's installing it, is this a bad practice?
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2617[15:59:17] <teraflops> antzero: i have no idea of what are
you doing to be honest
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2618[15:59:18] <antzero> (I'm on stretch)
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2620[15:59:45] <teraflops> antzero: this channel is or jessie
support btw
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2621[15:59:51] <antzero> teraflops, I'm terribly at wording
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2623[16:00:48] <antzero> I fixed that, themill sorry for
crossposting and for asking on the wrong channel
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2625[16:01:37] <antzero> I simply added jessie in sources.list
and tried to install the missing dependecy, it worked but I was
asking if this is a good practice (installing from jessie repos on
stretch, compatibility issue or something like that)
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2626[16:01:58] <teraflops> antzero: not it's not a good
practice at all
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2627[16:02:27] <antzero> What should I have done in this case,
then?
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2629[16:04:12] <teraflops> well, I'm not you... but for sure
mixing repos the way you did is not a good idea.
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2630[16:04:13] <Aorious> markbob, Okay, thanks!
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2631[16:04:14] <Aorious> markybob, Okay, thanks!
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2633[16:05:00] <antzero> I used that source only to install that
missing dependency, then removed it
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2651[16:15:02] <Deep_Thought> Hi, is their an option to pass to
'service apache2 reload' to ask for the password of the
key?
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2652[16:15:22] <Deep_Thought> Because actually when there is a
password for the key and I use service apache2 reload, apache crash
without any warnings
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2653[16:15:31] <Deep_Thought> I mean with ssl
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2661[16:20:22] <abrotman> Deep_Thought: the general practice is
to remove the password .. Are you unable to do that?
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2662[16:20:47] <abrotman> Deep_Thought: An alternative is to feed
the passphrase to Apache. You can do this with the
SSLPassPhraseDialog option in your httpd.conf (or another file that
it includes). When starting up, Apache will take the output of this
script and use it as the passphrase for your SSL key.
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2664[16:20:56] <abrotman> Google, 2.6 seconds
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2665[16:21:58] <Deep_Thought> Yes I know these methods but IMO
this is just a workarround.
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2667[16:22:41] <Deep_Thought> apache shoudl ask for the key the
same way thet apache does with service apache2 restart
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2669[16:24:47] <Deep_Thought> But I don't know if this would
be debian-related?
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2677[16:27:18] <iurri> hello everyone, in order to erase a usb
drive (sdb), is this dd command correct: ~$ sudo dd if=/dev/zero
of=/dev/sdb bs=4k conv=notrunc,noerror ?
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2709[16:39:44] <f0f4r> Can I test on debian if one deb is
installed?
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2711[16:40:15] <petn-randall> AlexPortable: Then I'd
definitely use a window manager.
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2712[16:40:18] <MaBunny> you can search for it in synaptic
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2713[16:41:13] <petn-randall> f0f4r: As in, test on the
commandline? dpkg -l 'yourpackage', if there's a line
that start with 'ii', it's installed.
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2772[16:42:39] <f0f4r> petn-randall: I was looking for a single
command
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2773[16:42:43] <f0f4r> anyway thanks
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2774[16:42:58] <abrotman> what's wrong with grep?
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2775[16:43:17] <abrotman> f0f4r: dpkg -l foo | egrep
'^ii'
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2776[16:43:32] <abrotman> oh, and uhm
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2779[16:43:54] <f0f4r> I was thinking something like dpkg-query
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2780[16:44:08] <rozie> f0f4r: dpkg-query with parameters will
work too
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2788[16:45:33] <abrotman> f0f4r: same thing roughly .. but
you'd still need something to manage the output I think ?
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2790[16:46:21] <themill> !installed test
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2791[16:46:21] <dpkg> To test in a script if a package is
installed, you can: if dpkg -l $package 2>/dev/null | grep -q
^.i; then echo yes; fi or if [[ $(dpkg-query -f'${Status}'
--show $package 2>/dev/null) = *\ installed ]]; then echo yes;
fi. Note that "installed" isn't a simple concept --
is the package configured yet? is it actually scheduled for removal?
See man dpkg "package states" and "selection
states" for more details.
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2793[16:46:33] <themill> (note that ii is the wrong thing to test
for)
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2796[16:48:04] <petn-randall> themill: I was aware of other
package states, but I didn't know of /.i/ also being
"installed".
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2799[16:48:53] <petn-randall> But man dpkg-query explains that
quite nicely. Learnt something new. Thanks themill.
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2800[16:49:07] <themill> the first character is the
"desired" state and that can quite reasonably be h for
hold
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2801[16:49:24] <pflanze> Why would grub load windows without
showing any boot choice first?
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2802[16:49:28] <themill> (even without more complicated things)
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2803[16:49:50] <pflanze> I'm booting off the Debian Live
image, but after "loading grub" it just loads windows. On
an Eee PC. What's going on?
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2811[16:56:29] <Arcanos> Hello people.
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2815[16:57:38] <vegardx> After loading GRUB? Don't you have
any selections in GRUB?
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2817[16:58:26] <Arcanos> I am wanting to run Radeon+radeonsi on
my Jessie box, it this an easy thing to do?
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2820[16:59:10] <Arcanos> Reason kernel driver radeonsi user mode
driver
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2821[16:59:18] <Arcanos> Radeon**
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2827[17:00:50] <jml2> pflanze, usb?
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2847[17:13:31] <Arcanos> I want to use the free Radeon kernel
driver with the Radeonsi user mode drivers, is this easy to do?
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2849[17:13:50] <jelly> Arcanos: uh, is radeonsi still maintained
by anyone?
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2850[17:14:37] <Arcanos> I'm not sure, I don't want to
use the proprietary driver
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2852[17:15:58] <jelly> there will be amdgpu in stretch, and it
_may_ be backported to debian 8 or not
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2853[17:16:02] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
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2854[17:16:03] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu on amd64
-- sid: 1.1.0-1; stretch: 1.1.0-1
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2855[17:16:09] <jelly> or not.
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2856[17:16:17] <jelly> Arcanos: which card do you have? lspci -nn
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2858[17:16:36] <Arcanos> my R9 270x is not supported by amdgpu
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2860[17:16:58] <Arcanos> I am undergoing a reinstall at the
moment on a 5400 rpm drive
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2861[17:17:09] <jelly> I'm not sure radeonsi is in debian at
all. What happens when you try the default kernel and drivers?
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2863[17:17:22] <Arcanos> Raster driver
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2865[17:18:06] <Arcanos> when the install completes I will upload
the results of glxinfo
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2866[17:18:08] <jelly> your choice of hardware and distro combo
seems... unfortunate
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2868[17:18:37] <Arcanos> I do have an ancient NVIDIA GeForce GTX
275
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2869[17:18:49] <Arcanos> but it is not in the system
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2870[17:19:43] <Arcanos> jelly,. why do you say that
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2874[17:20:32] <jelly> just guessing. Best get jessie installed
and patched up, see what happens.
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2876[17:20:44] <Arcanos> netinstall
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2877[17:20:54] <Arcanos> so once it installs I'm good I
think
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2878[17:21:09] <Arcanos> with the exception of the drivers
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2883[17:22:26] <jelly> possible exception. I really don't
know whether it's just embedded in video-radeon and other
userspace bits, and #774784 seems to suggest so
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2884[17:22:27] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2891[17:23:46] <Arcanos> that would be xserver-xorg-video-radeon
right?
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2892[17:24:22] <Arcanos> ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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2893[17:24:23] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeon on amd64
-- squeeze: 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports:
1:6.14.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:6.14.4-8; jessie: 1:7.5.0-1; sid:
1:7.7.0-1; stretch: 1:7.7.0-1
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2896[17:24:47] <Arcanos> ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeosi
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2897[17:24:48] <judd> No package named
'xserver-xorg-video-radeosi' was found in amd64.
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2899[17:24:57] <Arcanos> ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeonsi
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2900[17:24:58] <judd> No package named
'xserver-xorg-video-radeonsi' was found in amd64.
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2902[17:25:25] <digidog> how can I choose fs type in fdisk, it
only creates ext4 partitions ?
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2903[17:25:29] <jelly> Arcanos: the bug report strongly suggests
the relevant support is present in existing jessie packages
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2907[17:26:27] <Arcanos> jelly: I read somewhere that the Radeon
drivers are blacklisted in Jessie, is this true?
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2909[17:26:47] <jelly> digidog: fdisk just creates partitions,
you put a filesystem up with mkfs.FSTYPEHERE
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2910[17:27:04] <jelly> Arcanos: no idea, can't comment on
that
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2912[17:27:24] <digidog> jelly: awesome! thanks for the cue! will
read on!
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2913[17:27:28] <digidog> jelly++
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2914[17:27:36] <pflanze> jml2, yep usb; but I found the reason it
failed, I copied the image to sdb1 instead of sdb
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2916[17:27:46] <pflanze> stupid error. Not enough concentration.
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2919[17:29:08] <jelly> Arcanos: the only thing I can say about it
is "works for me on this HD7450"
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2920[17:29:28] <jml2> pflanze, ok
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2922[17:30:10] <jml2> pflanze, you should use gdisk or sgdisk to
do a quick zero-clieaning of the parition tables
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2923[17:30:14] <jml2> pflanze, (prior)
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2925[17:31:30] <digidog> jelly: do I need dosfstools to create a
FAT32 filesystem?
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2927[17:31:48] <digidog> jelly: or is mkfs enough
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2928[17:31:55] <digidog> jelly:
replaced-url
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2930[17:31:59] <jml2> digidog, y
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2932[17:32:21] <digidog> jml2: y = mkfs is enough or y = need
dofstools
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2934[17:32:32] <jml2> digidog, dosftools contains mkfs.vfat
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2935[17:32:44] <digidog> jml2: got it! thx!
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2936[17:32:50] <digidog> jml2++
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2937[17:32:58] <BinBasher> why not just use gparted :s
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2939[17:33:09] <digidog> BinBasher: ->
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2942[17:33:16] * digidog hates mouse/GUI
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2943[17:33:26] <BinBasher> parted then?
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2944[17:33:37] <digidog> BinBasher: better
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2945[17:33:42] <jelly> digidog: dosfstools is the package that
_brings_ the relevant mkfs.vfat command so yes to both
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2946[17:33:44] <digidog> BinBasher: but I am still curious to do
without
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2948[17:33:59] <digidog> jelly: awesome! thx!
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2949[17:34:05] <digidog> jelly++
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2950[17:34:08] <digidog> jml2++
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2951[17:34:10] <jelly> judd: file bin/mkfs.vfat
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2952[17:34:12] <digidog> BinBasher++
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2953[17:34:14] <judd> Search for bin/mkfs.vfat in jessie/amd64:
dosfstools: sbin/mkfs.vfat
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2954[17:34:40] * jelly feels incremented
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2957[17:35:29] * BinBasher leveled up
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2958[17:35:37] <thiolliere> hi, I want a better control on my fan
but pwm-config tell me that there are no pwm-capable sensor modules
installed. Is there still a way to have more control ?
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2965[17:36:45] <petn-randall> thiolliere: Probably not. It's
only really desktop machines or servers that have PWM capable fans
controllable in userspace, most laptops have the BIOS control the
fan speed.
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2970[17:38:12] <jml2> digidog, better to use mkfs.vfat ,
"This mkfs frontend is deprecated in favour of filesystem
specific mkfs.<type> utils" (manpage of mkfs0
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2971[17:38:35] <jml2> digidog, welcome
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2972[17:38:45] * jml2 knows manpages don't lie.
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2973[17:38:49] <jml2> ahem
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2974[17:38:52] <FinalX> never!
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2975[17:38:56] <FinalX> unheard of :)
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2976[17:39:04] <thiolliere> Ok, thanks
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3014[17:40:42] <a1> wow
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3018[17:42:39] <digidog> join flood! o.@
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3020[17:42:55] <FinalX> irssi++ :)
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3022[17:43:03] <FinalX> just groups em together :)
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3023[17:43:05] <Arcanos> jelly,
replaced-url
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3024[17:43:12] * digidog uses IRSSI
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3026[17:43:30] <digidog> FinalX: ^
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3028[17:43:41] <Arcanos> Just had to install the nonfree
firmwares and it worked
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3030[17:44:22] <mase2hotUK> I've got a php script sending
emails, does anyone know if its possible to multithread these with
sendmail?
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3034[17:45:14] <FinalX> mase2hotUK: sending mail in PHP is
usually done with mail(), that calls the sendmail binary to submit
it to sendmail; sendmail already does multithreaded delivery afaik
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3038[17:45:55] <FinalX> (would be weird if it didn't :P)
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3068[17:46:23] <digidog> what the h*** ....
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3069[17:46:30] <mase2hotUK> oh I just throught it was slow, doing
ps aux I see it is there multple times. Is there a way to increase?
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3070[17:46:42] <FinalX> ok, irssi failed me there .. did not
groupt hose :P
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3076[17:47:36] <FinalX> mase2hotUK: not sure how exactly,
I'm more of a postfix user myself, but, pretty much any MTA
would group mails to the same domains together for delivery I guess,
and do those in one batch, one after another
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3087[17:50:33] <SerajewelKS> grub is driving me nuts. i have an
LVM-in-RAID1 setup and i'm trying to boot from it. no matter
what i do, grub gives me the error "invalid arch-independent
ELF magic"
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3088[17:50:51] <SerajewelKS> whether i use pc(BIOS) or efi(UEFI)
grub, i get this same error. there is a bios_grub partition.
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3089[17:50:58] <SerajewelKS> grub-install reports no errors
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3091[17:51:49] <SerajewelKS> i'm at a complete loss to
explain why grub won't boot
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3092[17:53:00] <zykotick9> wondering is anyone has a
suggestion... I have a "Hori Fighting Stick 3" that had
been working all weekend... now... nothing :( origionally when I
tried it, it also didn't work -- then magically started
working, and now magically stopped working. searching online i found
replaced-url
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3093[17:53:06] <zykotick9> this WAS working!?!
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3095[17:53:45] <awwal> How to continue displaying next matching
entries when using bash "reverse-i-serch" (Ctrl+r) ?
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3101[17:55:01] <FinalX> hit ^R again?
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3102[17:55:46] <FinalX> moved from bash to zsh a while back, but
I'm quite sure you can just keep hitting ctrl+r to cycle
through them
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3103[17:55:58] <pflanze> What is the Debian Live root password?
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3104[17:56:02] <pflanze> There's no sudo installed.
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3107[17:57:19] <FinalX> ...there should be
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3108[17:57:27] <Pr0metheus> If i plug a hard disk to a different
sata port on the motherboard will this affect the mounting of the
devices if this is done by uuid?
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3136[17:57:46] <FinalX> Pr0metheus: when using uuid, no, it does
not
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3137[17:57:54] <zykotick9> Pr0metheus: if you only use UUID (or
Labels) it shouldn't.
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3138[17:58:00] <Pr0metheus> Thanks FinalX
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3140[17:58:06] <Pr0metheus> and zykotick9 :)
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3141[17:58:07] <Meliorate> hi all, i have removed some config in
/etc, after uninstalling an app, but now when i reinstall the app,
it does not install the default config in /etc :( i've tried
apt-get purge/clean/etc, but it still doesn't install the
default config. how do i correct this, using apt* ?
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3143[17:58:32] <FinalX> Pr0metheus: btw, you can also give the
filesystem a label and then mount it with LABEL=x in fstab :) though
I always do UUID, I feel it's somehow safer
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3144[17:58:35] <Iridos> dpkg, tell pflanze about live login
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3150[18:00:52] <awwal> FinalX, ok, it works. Thanks!
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3152[18:02:11] <pflanze> Iridos, but that's the user
password, not root. How do I get root?
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3154[18:03:02] <FinalX> awwal: great!
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3157[18:03:46] <raden> anyone have an idea what return code 256
for ssh means ?
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3189[18:06:50] <awwal> pflanze, probably if you run "passwd
root" or "sudo passwd root" you will be prompted to
create a root password and use it
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3192[18:07:17] <Iridos> pflanze, oh... right, you implied you had
the user...
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3194[18:07:39] <FinalX> raden: hum, never seen it before, and the
only lists I found, do not mention it, like:
replaced-url
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3195[18:07:44] <Iridos> pflanze, what happens if you give an
empty password after "su" ?
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3196[18:08:07] <raden> FinalX, yea same here
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3197[18:08:14] <Iridos> pflanze, if nobody here knows, ask
#debian-live on irc.oftc.net (not here on freenode)...
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3199[18:08:57] <FinalX> raden: is that directly from the ssh
command to bash for example? or are you using something like perl?
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3200[18:09:12] <FinalX> because in the latter case, I found this:
replaced-url
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3210[18:11:45] <Iridos> I dunno... that thing looks heavily
under-documented to me
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3211[18:12:07] <raden> FinalX, python subprocess.communicate ,
running off address list outta mysql , had 2 connections last night
return 256 out of approximately 90 successful ones ....
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3212[18:12:11] <Iridos> not that you'd need too much
documentation... but how to gain access would be a thing
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3216[18:12:47] <FinalX> raden: I was asking because the highest
code I can find is a 255, perhaps it's an internal one from the
process handler?
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3217[18:12:51] <Iridos> pflanze, or send mail to their mailing
list
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3220[18:13:12] <raden> FinalX, ill write some logging into the
script and keep running see what happens
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3222[18:13:36] <cruncher> raden, try -vvv and see if you can make
out the error
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3228[18:16:38] <jelly> SerajewelKS: which hardware? Do you have a
separate /boot?
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3240[18:19:28] <|_[O_O]_|> hai friends, im working with grub2 and
seem to be hitting an issue where settings in menu.lst from
grub-legacy (which isn't installed) are overriding definitions
in grub.cfg... what gives?
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3245[18:20:05] <|_[O_O]_|> I can only assume its to keep from
breaking legacy -- but I cannot find documentation around it what so
ever
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3246[18:20:05] <SerajewelKS> jelly: HP ProLiant ML10 v2 server,
no separate /boot (following the advice of the debian wiki). the
partition layout on both drives is a 1MB bios
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3247[18:20:14] <SerajewelKS> _grub partition, followed by a
physical RAID volume
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3251[18:20:33] <SerajewelKS> (RAID1) the RAID volume contains an
LVM physical volume, which has the swap and / volumes
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3253[18:21:03] <SerajewelKS> the drives are 3TB which makes GPT
mandatory, which i guess is why i need a bios_grub partition
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3256[18:21:48] <SerajewelKS> AFAICT the hardware doesn't
support UEFI
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3261[18:24:41] <SerajewelKS> diagnosing boot failures is no fun,
particularly because the error messages are often vague or
misleading :(
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3262[18:24:41] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: hrm; that setup should
work; what does gdisk -l /dev/foo; look for the device?
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3264[18:24:57] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: i'll let you know
in a sec, this server takes forever to reboot
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3265[18:25:17] <jelly> sorry, have to look up ML10, hp inventing
new models again
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3266[18:25:24] <SerajewelKS> like 3-4 minutes to POST
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3267[18:25:33] <jelly> SerajewelKS: 3-4 minutes is SHORT.
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3268[18:25:45] <SerajewelKS> really?
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3269[18:25:47] <jelly> DL360 G8 and G9 do 5-8 minutes
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3270[18:26:02] <SerajewelKS> this is my first
"server-grade" system. i'm used to my desktop booting
to the login screen in 15 seconds :)
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3271[18:26:10] <jelly> "hey we have this fancy new uefi
firmware, let's make everything slow as hell"
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3272[18:26:12] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: yeah, server grade
stuff tends to do more memory checking
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3273[18:26:23] <SerajewelKS> yeah i figured it was something like
that
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3274[18:26:37] <dondelelcaro> and have tons of cards which want
to be incredibly slow to load and tell you precisely what
they're doing, and then let you interrupt the boot
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3276[18:26:47] <jelly> probably enumerating all the possible
hardware in interpreted forth rebuilt for uefi
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3277[18:26:56] <pflanze> Iridos, passwd doesn't allow to
change the root pw from a user account; su - without any pw
doesn't work either. I'm just using the normal installer
and will finish installation first instead. Thanks anyway!
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3278[18:26:58] <SerajewelKS> yeah it takes awhile to get through
all the onboard crap
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3281[18:27:17] <SerajewelKS> sata controller, raid controller,
iLO (whatever tf that is), netboot, all give you some seconds to hit
a key
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3282[18:27:20] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: the most important
thing is going to be the output of grub-install, though.
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3283[18:27:23] <pflanze> Anyway, it made Debian Live pointless
for me. So going to chat to them.
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3284[18:27:32] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: ilo is integrated
lights out; it's the KVM thingie
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3285[18:27:51] <dondelelcaro> (well, remote KVM thingie;
it's pretty awesome when it works, and annoying when it
doesn't)
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3286[18:28:03] <SerajewelKS> ^ just like grub
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3287[18:28:10] <jelly> SerajewelKS: iLO = remote console, remote
power button, booting from remote .iso, remote power and hardware
monitoring
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3288[18:28:34] <SerajewelKS> jelly: neat. maybe if i can get this
thing booting i'll play around with it. :)
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3290[18:29:09] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: once you have it
booted, the output from grub-install --verbose /dev/sda; (or
whatever) will probably be most informative
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3291[18:29:12] <SerajewelKS> trying to acquire the latest SPP
took me 3+ hours last night because HPE can't put together a
decent website
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3292[18:29:16] <jelly> when you get iLO working you can get the
hell out of the server room and continue working from laptop :-)
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3293[18:29:27] <SerajewelKS> in the end i didn't even wind
up downloading it from their site, i gave up on that
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3294[18:29:58] <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: noted. then to figure
out how to get it off of this box and onto a pastebin.
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3295[18:30:17] <SerajewelKS> do we have a dpaste packageL
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3296[18:30:42] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: if you're using
the debian installer to bring it back up, you can launch an ssh
client, or there's pastebinit
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3298[18:31:08] <SerajewelKS> fair enough, i guess there are many
ways to do this
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3301[18:31:41] <SerajewelKS> the first time i booted the server i
though it was defective; it rebooted itself 4+ times, i thought it
was stuck in a bootloop
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3305[18:32:14] <Iridos> pflanze, it's a recurring
question...
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3311[18:34:47] <SerajewelKS> jelly, dondelelcaro: i'm
actually reinstalling debian right now; i kind of hacked the
bios_grub thing because i didn't realize there was an option in
partman for it
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3312[18:34:54] <SerajewelKS> and i'm not sure if i screwed
that up
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3313[18:35:04] <dondelelcaro> SerajewelKS: ah, yeah, hopefully it
will just work from the installer
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3314[18:35:10] <SerajewelKS> basically i went to a VT and marked
the partition with parted before letting the installer install grub
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3315[18:35:21] <SerajewelKS> in theory it should have been
identical, but who knows
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3316[18:35:39] <SerajewelKS> OTOH i booted rescue mode and did
grub-install multiple times, and it shouldn't have cared how
the partition got marked so iono
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3318[18:36:01] <SerajewelKS> but i figure we'll give the
installer another go doing things right this time and see where we
get
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3320[18:36:30] <SerajewelKS> i just made unformatted partitions
in partman and used parted later to add the flag
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3325[18:37:26] <SerajewelKS> i appreciate you guys helping me
out; boot errors are my least favorite thing to troubleshoot
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3328[18:38:18] <SerajewelKS> i have a VM at work that, when i
generate initrds from the installed system, the kernel panics but
when i do so from the installer in rescue mode, chrooted into the
installed system, it boots
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3329[18:38:29] <SerajewelKS> so every time i update the kernel i
have to boot the installer to fix the initrd
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3330[18:39:09] <SerajewelKS> i captured a sample working and
non-working initrd. they are not byte-for-byte identical, but
extracting them both and diffing their trees showed no differences.
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3331[18:39:18] <SerajewelKS> so that's another unsolved boot
mystery
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3333[18:39:44] <SerajewelKS> but i've given up on solving it
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3336[18:40:35] <SerajewelKS> it's one of those weird cases
where it's 100% reproducible but only on this one VM
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3343[18:44:06] <SerajewelKS> sucks that creating a RAID1 implies
a resync, nothing like copying over 3TB of nothing from one disk to
another. i know why it's necessary but it makes the install so
slow.
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3344[18:44:23] <m0rd3cai> Is this the place to ask a question
about compiling a program?
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