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9 [00:03:15] <teraflops> aboulafia_: hmm in which channel is
your ap transmitting?
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11 [00:03:56] <aboulafia_> teraflops: sorry i do not understand.
12 [00:04:06] <teraflops> looks like 00 regdom is for the USA
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14 [00:04:20] <teraflops> maybe that's the issue
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17 [00:04:55] <aboulafia_> teraflops: i'm located on
caribean right now
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24 [00:07:02] <teraflops> aboulafia_: ido regdom and channels.
may checking which channel is using the ap worth a try
25 [00:07:09] <teraflops> idk*
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35 [00:10:01] <teraflops> also rfkill list might say it's
softbloked
36 [00:10:26] <teraflops> idk. apart from that I'm out of
ideas
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40 [00:11:09] <hspcd> Running Debian 8.6 with a Radeon card and
it frequently displays a black strip horizontally across the
"lock screen" and after resuming from suspend it sometimes
has a very bad issue with pink text and things look all distorted on
the screen. Anybody have a clue what causes this and how to correct
it?
41 [00:11:11] <teraflops> also sorry for the typos
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46 [00:12:18] <aboulafia_> teraflops: i apologize, but my
knoledge is not enough. I installed rfkill and rfkill list gave me
all networks type on the computer
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48 [00:12:34] <teraflops> hspcd: is the machine swapping?
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51 [00:13:11] <teraflops> do you see there softbloked
aboulafia_?
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54 [00:14:04] <aboulafia_> teraflops: my computer with jessie is
out of battery. I'll try to plug-in and connect to Internet. If
it works i'll be back in five minutes.
55 [00:14:16] <teraflops> ok
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73 [00:21:21] <aboulafia_> rfkill : nothing blocked
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82 [00:22:37] <aboulafia_> i come back in few mn
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120 [00:32:40] <doflamingo> hello everyone.. can you help me.. i
got BLACK screen of death when using a SIMcard for usb modem
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123 [00:32:59] <ageis> anyone ever had luck with getting
/examples and /manpages to include in a .deb package via dpkg-deb
--build (rather than dh_make) ? do they need to be put in maintainer
scripts?
124 [00:33:00] <aboulafia_> ok, i tried another card wifi usb,
and works. You have the dmesg here :
replaced-url
125 [00:33:30] <ageis> problem with installing: unable to open
file '/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci//manpages': Is a directory
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130 [00:35:06] <aboulafia_> teraflops, In the past we can use
ndiswrapper for using windows driver in linux. It can be actullay
used with Jessie ? I'm pretty sure it's a driver problem
now
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137 [00:36:30] <teraflops> aboulafia_: is using same regdom so
that's not the issue then
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140 [00:37:00] <teraflops> aboulafia_: why are you sure?
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142 [00:37:19] <deanosaur> is it possible to choose to not use
uefi in the installer?
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144 [00:38:00] <doflamingo> hello everyone.. can you help me.. i
got BLACK screen of death when using a SIMcard for usb modem
145 [00:38:31] <teraflops> aboulafia_: those dmesg are from
different usb wireless nics on same machine?
146 [00:38:40] <teraflops> deanosaur: tell the machine to boot
using legacy?
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154 [00:41:00] <aboulafia_> teraflops, yes. I only use another
wifi card i have in stock (Tplink) instead of my Alfat Network
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157 [00:41:59] <pacninja> Hello, my gnu coreutils seems to have
disappeared all of a sudden and bash isn't working right either
158 [00:42:02] <pacninja>
replaced-url
159 [00:42:38] <pacninja> didn't do anything with root just
ran ioquake installer and next min. that happens
160 [00:42:40] <aboulafia_> teraflops, i mosly sure is the
driver. Why I can connect so quick with the same machine, same
antenna, same network and with some cards it works and some other
not ?
161 [00:42:46] <deanosaur> teraflops: I'm trying to use a
surface pro (uefi only) to install to an external disk, which I want
to run in a headless machine (bios/legacy only)
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166 [00:44:21] <doflamingo> hello everyone.. can you help me.. i
got BLACK screen of death when using a SIMcard for usb modem.. i
have 2 simcard and the other are normal
167 [00:44:25] <teraflops> aboulafia_: ah, I see the driver
loading and the fw too? it's an ath3k right?
168 [00:44:32] <teraflops> s/?/
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170 [00:44:53] <teraflops> doflamingo: sorry I have no idea
171 [00:45:08] <teraflops> err^ deanosaur
172 [00:45:46] <aboulafia_> teraflops, AR9271
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174 [00:46:23] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [
1585.989350] ath: phy0: DMA failed to stop in 10 ms AR_CR=0xffffffff
AR_DIAG_SW=0xffffffff DMADBG_7=0xffffffff
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176 [00:46:24] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [
1585.989372] ath: phy0: Could not stop RX, we could be confusing the
DMA engine when we start RX up
177 [00:46:24] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [
1586.108617] ath: phy0: Chip reset failed
178 [00:46:24] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [
1586.108629] ath: phy0: Unable to reset channel, reset status -22
179 [00:46:24] <doflamingo> Oct 26 20:06:06 computer kernel: [
1586.109374] ath9k 0000:02:00.0: no hotplug settings from platform
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181 [00:46:29] <deanosaur> teraflops: ok thanks, legacy was
useful, at least I can google it better now
182 [00:46:36] <aboulafia_> the alfa use rltk 8187 and tltk 8188
183 [00:46:54] <teraflops> aboulafia_: usbcore: registered new
interface driver ath3k
184 [00:46:58] <aboulafia_> **rltk
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186 [00:48:24] <aboulafia_> teraflops, driver ath3k but the
chipset of the card is atheros ar9271
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192 [00:50:23] <teraflops> aboulafia_: I see in both pastes wlan2
and wlan0
193 [00:50:33] <teraflops> aboulafia_: but I see wlan2:
deauthenticated from 00:1b:2f:43:3e:60 (Reason: 1=UNSPECIFIED)
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197 [00:50:51] <teraflops> worth a googling
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199 [00:51:06] <teraflops> and a weird renaming of the interface
as well
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211 [00:59:01] <aboulafia_> teraflops, ok. To clarify the
situation : As I said, I leave my Mac and try to connet on the SAME
wifi card on Jessie. Without success. I remember, i have an other
card Tplink (id wlan3), and I'm connected with it right now.
The wlan2 was the Alfa-networks AWUS036nhrv2 with obdna driver that
probably doesn't work works with his chipset rtl 81188 (i need
to check but i can't now). The wlan1 was the Alfa-network
AWUS036H
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217 [01:02:30] <aboulafia_> and another i do not understand, why
in lsmod I can see rtl8192cu and I have no realtek chipset plugged
now
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234 [01:10:02] <teraflops> aboulafia_: idk you said it connected
at some point
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242 [01:17:07] <aboulafia_> teraflops, i said i allready
successfull connected with the two alfa-network but sometimes they
gave me a lot of difficulties. And It's weeks now i didn't
find why. I red hundreds of pages, and didn't found a solution
yet
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247 [01:18:57] <aboulafia_> teraflops, principaly with the 036H
that gave me 100% of quality link...
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276 [01:35:18] <deanosaur> is it possible to install debian
(using the menu installer) from a running debian instance?
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290 [01:47:11] <RoyK> deanosaur: no, just start on a live usb
thing or even a cd
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294 [01:48:30] <deanosaur> RoyK: it's an old headless
machine. I'm trying copy the running install over to new drive
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309 [01:52:12] <RoyK> rsync -avPHAX /old /new
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311 [01:52:26] <RoyK> then install grub on the new disk and bingo
312 [01:52:39] <RoyK> deanosaur: that's for you - I'm
off to bed
313 [01:52:41] <RoyK> nite
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315 [01:53:01] <deanosaur> nite
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344 [02:07:20] <wkalt> I'm having a frustrating issue with
firefox 49.0 on debian where all links from external programs
produce a popup saying
345 [02:07:41] <wkalt> Firefox is already running, but is not
responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing
Firefox process, or restart your system.
346 [02:08:07] <PhantomVent> Have you tried closing it from your
system monitor and opening again?
347 [02:08:15] <baraba> is there a firefox process running
348 [02:08:31] <wkalt> baraba: yes, but the expected behavior is
for the link to open in a new tab of that instance
349 [02:09:11] <wkalt> if I close firefox I can open the links
fine, but I should be able to open them with firefox running
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353 [02:09:43] <wkalt> PhantomVent: I'm not sure what you
mean by my system monitor
354 [02:09:59] <baraba> what does this command return?
355 [02:10:07] <baraba> pgrep firefox
356 [02:10:17] <wkalt> a pid as expected baraba
357 [02:10:27] <baraba> one pid
358 [02:10:29] <wkalt> yes
359 [02:10:50] <PhantomVent> Like Gnome system monitor or the
MATE system monitor? or he can list the processes via terminal and
kill firefox
360 [02:11:17] <wkalt> I don't want to kill firefox though.
I'm clicking a link from my mail client (or other application)
while firefox is running. That should just work.
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362 [02:11:54] <PhantomVent> Is Your Email Client IceDove?
(Thunderbird)
363 [02:12:05] <wkalt> yes, but I see this with hipchat as well
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365 [02:12:19] <wkalt> and also links from my terminal and in IRC
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370 [02:13:45] <PhantomVent> You can also try the command line
with this command
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372 [02:14:14] <PhantomVent> "firefox -new-window 'replaced-url
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375 [02:14:57] <wkalt> PhantomVent: that does the right thing
(opens tab in existing instance)
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379 [02:17:16] <baraba> can you then try to update alternatives
to that exact command?
380 [02:17:38] <PhantomVent> ¿?
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382 [02:18:00] <baraba> at least you can create a script that
runs that command
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384 [02:18:13] <baraba> and set gnome-replaced-url
385 [02:18:21] <wkalt> I'm not using gnome
386 [02:18:25] <PhantomVent> MATE?
387 [02:18:37] <wkalt> xfce is installed
388 [02:18:40] <baraba> you still need to set gnome-replaced-url
389 [02:18:45] <baraba> and x-replaced-url
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392 [02:19:56] <baraba> some apps will use gnome-replaced-url
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396 [02:22:15] <PhantomVent> If you don't mind changing
browsers Midori or Chromium are not bad
397 [02:22:35] <PhantomVent> tho you can follow Mr Baraba advice
398 [02:22:41] <wkalt> give up on firefox? never :D
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400 [02:23:02] <wkalt> baraba: I updated the alternatives to the
correct version (which they weren't before) but still no joy
401 [02:23:12] <baraba> correct version?
402 [02:23:13] <wkalt> is there an easy way to specify CLI flags
for alternatives?
403 [02:23:24] <wkalt> yeah, firefox instead of firefox-esr
404 [02:23:58] <baraba> not sure, but as i said you can create a
script that adds command line arguments
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406 [02:24:20] <baraba> and put it in /usr/bin or something
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408 [02:24:21] <wkalt> oh, like stick the script at
/usr/bin/firefox you mean
409 [02:24:23] <wkalt> yeah
410 [02:24:46] <wkalt> ok gotcha. I'll give that a shot
later. Can't help but think there's another solution here
though.
411 [02:25:15] <PhantomVent> You can always try the universal
solution to most computing problems
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413 [02:25:21] <wkalt> alcohol?
414 [02:25:41] <PhantomVent> xD
415 [02:25:43] <PhantomVent> Reboot
416 [02:25:51] <wkalt> nah, that doesn't do it ;)
417 [02:26:16] <wkalt> I'll revert to firefox-esr and see if
the issue is with the later stuff. Will report back if I find
anything.
418 [02:26:24] <wkalt> Thanks for the help baraba PhantomVent
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420 [02:27:31] <PhantomVent> Still anxious for Debian 9
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433 [02:33:17] <baraba> are you running stable Phanes
434 [02:33:31] <baraba> ignore
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479 [02:55:59] <habs> What can I do about an unresolvable
dependency cycle trying to build gcc-6 (gcc-6 -> adep gnat-6
-> adep gnat-6)? I'm on mipsel so binaries are hard to come
by.
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485 [02:57:17] <somiaj> habs: trying to build gcc6 on jessie?
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491 [02:58:15] <saint_> hi all - i have a raspberry pi / when i
boot, it creates 2 defaults routes on each interface (eth0 and
wlan0) . When it happens, i can't connect to the box from wlan0
because the route of wlan0 takes precedence. in order to be able to
connect from both interface, i need to delete eth0 default route.
how can i do this permanently ? anytime i reboot, this damn route
comes back.
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493 [02:59:03] <somiaj> saint_: are you using raspbian on this
pi?
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495 [02:59:11] <saint_> somiaj yup
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497 [02:59:26] <somiaj> saint_: then you should ask their support
how to best work with their software
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499 [02:59:28] <somiaj> !raspbian
500 [02:59:28] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
replaced-url
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502 [02:59:43] <saint_> somiaj wouldn't it be the same as
debian though ?
503 [02:59:46] <somiaj> saint_: they modify many core things so
what may work in debian may not work in raspbian
504 [02:59:53] <saint_> oh .. ok
505 [02:59:56] <somiaj> saint_: we don't know, we have no
clue what they modified to make it work.
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507 [03:00:05] <saint_> thx
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510 [03:00:17] <somiaj> saint_: we just take teh approach, it is
not supported here (even if it were to be the same)
511 [03:00:20] <saint_> oh .. while i am at it .. anyone
installed Debian on ESXI ?
512 [03:00:35] <somiaj> saint_: I don't know that hardware,
is it arm v7?
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514 [03:01:20] <habs> somiaj: Yes, that's what I'm
trying to do
515 [03:01:25] <saint_> somiaj never mind actually. i ws thinking
about debian, but my issue is with ubuntu :/
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517 [03:02:10] <somiaj> habs: sometimes it is not possible to
satsify the build depends you need in jessie. If you need gcc6,
jessie may not be the best choice.
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575 [03:37:09] <sdfasd> hello
576 [03:37:12] <sdfasd> this web server 100% safe? -> Apache
httpd 2.2.0 ((Debian) mod_fcgid/2.3.6
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578 [03:38:51] <Anselmo> nothing is 100% safe
579 [03:39:30] <sdfasd> yeah, Anselmo I bet you can't be
sure who your daddy is
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583 [03:40:19] <Anselmo> there's nothing wrong with that
webserver setup, that I am aware of, but using absolutes presents
things in an inaccurate way
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590 [03:44:49] <Hello71> Anselmo: safe if you turn it off
591 [03:45:09] <Anselmo> haha, not from a hammer
592 [03:45:46] <missmbob>
replaced-url
593 [03:46:25] * Hello71 uses psychic debugging
594 [03:46:38] <Hello71> they are a script kiddie trying to
"hack" a server
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601 [03:52:37] <sdfasd> all I see are cross-shit methods that
would require planification from someone else and stupidity on my
part
602 [03:52:41] <sdfasd> i think it's safe
603 [03:53:03] <missmbob> stupidity on your part seems rather
likely
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605 [03:53:19] <missmbob> you're asking about an open
webserver from oldoldstable.
606 [03:54:49] <sdfasd> yeah, I don't need to waste my time
updating, you waste the time to look for vulnerabilities for me, I
read all of them in 20 secs and conclude that both you're an
idiot and that my server is safe
607 [03:54:55] <sdfasd> but hey
608 [03:55:02] <sdfasd> I am the stupid one
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612 [03:57:16] <sypher> Yeah. Pretty much.
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627 [04:12:48] <habs> somiaj: Really I only need gcc5, but it
seems like gcc-6 is strangely an adep of gcc-5. Is there any way to
get around that and just build it with gcc-4?
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631 [04:14:46] <jmcnaught> sdfasd: are you just using the apache2
package on wheezy? that will be covered by LTS until may 2018
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633 [04:15:09] <somiaj> habs: what are you trying to build that
needs gcc6?
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635 [04:15:34] <jmcnaught> sdfasd: you need to go by the package
version reported by "apt-cache policy apache2" for
example, not the version string that apache reports on generated
pages
636 [04:15:56] <missmbob> jmcnaught: wheezy was 2.2.22. he claims
2.2.0
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638 [04:16:32] <jmcnaught> missmbob: that could just be what
apache claims to be at the bottom of autoindex pages etc
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710 [05:04:20] <habs> somiaj: I'm trying to build a version
of gccgo that includes the /usr/bin/go binary, which is gcc-5 and
later.
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715 [05:06:55] <somiaj> habs: you could install a stretch chroot
and just build in there. Though making a binary that then runs in
jessie may not work. But if you just wanted to work in a chroot that
is one way.
716 [05:07:03] <somiaj> habs: vms are also ways to get a
different build enviroment.
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771 [05:50:33] <KNERD> I got an older laptop (~2009) with an
nVidia graphics. I am wondering about installing the nVida drivers
for it. I am wondering if they do the same with Windows drivers, as
with Linux. That is slow down the display on purpose with newer
versions. Anyone know?
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773 [05:51:04] <Dewi> KNERD: in what way do they do that?
774 [05:51:11] <rex_> h
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776 [05:51:47] <KNERD> graphics cards are their bread n butter...
They wont make money if you keep your same video a logn time.
777 [05:51:59] <KNERD> It is a topic of discusssion on their
forum
778 [05:52:26] <missmbob> you wouldn't even use nvidia
drivers for that. you'd use open-source drivers. they have no
say
779 [05:52:37] <jmcnaught> KNERD: take a look at
replaced-url
780 [05:52:43] <KNERD> That is one of the reasons I pulled
windows off of it. The performance from driver upgrades had gotten
so bad
781 [05:52:49] <jmcnaught> nouveau is decent though, and will
work out of the box
782 [05:53:36] <KNERD> thanks
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784 [05:54:08] <missmbob> plus if you have proof you'd have
a great class action lawsuit. make millions.
785 [05:54:20] <KNERD> missmbob: nvidia does make drivers for
Linux,
786 [05:54:28] <Dewi> KNERD: except that would be trivially
measurable if it really happened, so where's the evidence?
787 [05:54:30] <missmbob> KNERD: i'm well aware. so?
788 [05:54:38] <missmbob> KNERD: i said you wouldn't use
them
789 [05:54:45] <missmbob> KNERD: you wouldn't have a choice
for drivers that old
790 [05:54:48] <Dewi> I could believe the focus of the
optimizations shifts a bit
791 [05:54:49] <KNERD> proof is easy, but they woudl say they are
adding feaqtures which drags down the older cards
792 [05:55:13] <Dewi> probably are
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796 [05:55:48] <Dewi> you could just install an older driver if
you want...
797 [05:55:59] <Dewi> how many codebases do you expect them to
maintain?
798 [05:56:00] <missmbob> if you want to break debian, he means
799 [05:56:14] <jmcnaught> or use the free nouveau driver if it
does everything you need
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801 [05:57:13] <KNERD> They make a common driver now which is
compable with older cards
802 [05:57:27] <missmbob> you'll still break debian
803 [05:57:49] <KNERD> i will just use the nouveau
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807 [05:58:03] <missmbob> yay
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809 [05:59:32] <KNERD> but will they play crysis? ;-)
810 [06:00:23] <KNERD> actually I was trying to run the steam
app, and it keeps giving error about libG 32 bit
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812 [06:00:56] <missmbob> KNERD: read the docs.
replaced-url
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814 [06:02:55] <KNERD> thanks
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816 [06:04:48] <Dewi> missmbob: yeah I meant in windows, where
this is allegedly a huge problem. In debian I have nfi
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824 [06:10:19] <KNERD> After messing around with the Steam app, I
remember using that link last year to try to install steam on
another computer.
825 [06:10:31] <KNERD> it remember now it is presenting the same
result
826 [06:11:03] <mrrhq> Yeah, it sucks that Steam is still very
32-bit dependent. They could have just make the entire binary an
AppImage or statically compiled... would've been happy with
that...
827 [06:11:40] <KNERD> "steam" exists in the package
databasem but it is not a real package, and no package provides it
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829 [06:12:01] <KNERD> No packages will be installed.......
830 [06:12:02] <somiaj> KNERD: steam is in non-free
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832 [06:12:11] <mrrhq> As far as I know, Debian's policy is
not to use packages that depends on statically compiled programs.
833 [06:12:18] <jmcnaught> ,v steam --arch i386
834 [06:12:19] <judd> Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free:
1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.52-5; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.52-5
835 [06:12:33] <pingfloyd> steam needs to get their act together
in regards to linux support
836 [06:12:33] <mrrhq> or libraries.
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838 [06:12:44] <iflema> the humanity
839 [06:12:47] <pingfloyd> it's kind of silly they
don't even a 64-bit version of the client
840 [06:12:50] <somiaj> steam is in non-free and works fine in
jessie onward. For the most part it is a wrapper that will download
and run the current version of steam from $HOME
841 [06:13:04] <mrrhq> Need some of that sweet Steam DRM software
to be on ARM, too. :p
842 [06:13:12] <somiaj> but yes, you have to have mulitarch for
it.
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844 [06:13:47] <KNERD> i see steam-launcher, and steam
845 [06:13:48] <pingfloyd> yeah, proprietary software tends to be
rather amateur about proper linux support
846 [06:14:21] <pingfloyd> like they're oblivious to the
existing conventions
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848 [06:14:38] <mrrhq> I'm scared to keep Steam out of a
32-bit chroot, due to the Steam bug that recursively deleted files.
I don't know if you guys heard about it.
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850 [06:14:49] <pingfloyd> it wouldn't take that much more
work to make it easier for their users
851 [06:14:57] <mrrhq> The problem is, I haven't gotten it
to work in my Chroot anymore recently.
852 [06:15:21] <KNERD> yeah same thing.. libGL 32 bit
853 [06:15:37] <missmbob> KNERD: no, you're not using a
chroot
854 [06:15:53] <KNERD> i thioh
855 [06:15:55] <missmbob> KNERD: you just have failed to follow
the wiki and add i386
856 [06:15:58] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: yeah, I heard about that bug
857 [06:16:13] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: their stupid script didn't
do proper checks before running rm on a relative path iirc
858 [06:16:24] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: a recursive rm
859 [06:16:53] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: i.e., an amateur mistake like I
was talking about
860 [06:17:26] <pingfloyd> it's kind of puzzling they can
make a client program that complex, but not have proper support for
major dists
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864 [06:18:18] <mrrhq> Maybe you guys can help me firgue out how
to get Steam to work in my chroot again. I have the script that I
use right here:
replaced-url
865 [06:18:30] <pingfloyd> yet there's devs out there living
on ramen that can
866 [06:18:32] <mrrhq> The chroot supposed to be Debian Stable.
867 [06:18:55] <mrrhq> pingfloyd: Lol, yea, using rm should
always be used with caution. :p
868 [06:19:11] <missmbob> mrrhq: i'd just schroot...but
i've never used steam. i have to assume it'd work that way
869 [06:19:28] <missmbob> mrrhq:
replaced-url
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871 [06:19:28] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: to me the rm debacle more
points out they shouldn't have taken that route to begin with
and maintained proper packages instead.
872 [06:20:41] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: you know, make things easy for
their users to generate more revenue for themselves
873 [06:20:50] <mrrhq> missmbob: Maybe I'm crazy, but I
still prefer original chroot. :)
874 [06:21:03] <missmbob> mrrhq: yeah, i think you are :P
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880 [06:23:00] <mrrhq> pingfloyd: Steam is heavily DRM dependant,
and people who publish games on Steam want it to always be
"uncrackable", so their logic is that by making it closed
source, it's a relabile platform for people to publish games,
and not have them "pirated".
881 [06:23:19] <mrrhq> I really don't know how they do it,
but they do it well, it seems.
882 [06:23:31] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: having barriers of entry is
never a smart business strategy
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884 [06:23:47] <missmbob> you never met microsoft
885 [06:23:54] <pingfloyd> you want to do everything possible to
not mess with a customer's impulse
886 [06:24:14] <missmbob> or appel
887 [06:24:18] <missmbob> apple*
888 [06:24:40] <pingfloyd> I think apple has risen so much
because to get going a user just has to be able to flip a switch
889 [06:24:48] <mrrhq> Also, people still aparently have
arguments against making it 64-bit. Maybe they think it increases a
barrier to entry or something.
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891 [06:24:59] <mrrhq> But hopefully they will make it 64-bit
someday.
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893 [06:25:10] <missmbob> hell windows 10 still comes 32-bit
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895 [06:25:20] <mrrhq> Or it could make trouble shooting harder
if it was for more platforms? I dunno.
896 [06:25:36] <pingfloyd> mrrhq: I don't see why they
can't have both 32-bit and 64-bit
897 [06:25:47] <mrrhq> Me neither.
898 [06:25:47] <pingfloyd> plenty of other software has both
899 [06:25:56] <missmbob> not even chrome has both
900 [06:26:07] <missmbob> it's just not that easy/simple
901 [06:26:07] <mrrhq> Haha, not Chromium.
902 [06:26:28] <mrrhq> Why do so many people prefer Chrome over
Chromium on Linux?
903 [06:26:37] <missmbob> netflix support
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905 [06:26:49] <mrrhq> Firefox will get it soon, I think.
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907 [06:26:55] <pingfloyd> people like their DRM shackles
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909 [06:27:10] <missmbob> it's not like there's an open
alternative to netflix
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911 [06:27:21] <mrrhq> Yeah, there is.
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913 [06:27:27] <mrrhq> Well... open though.
914 [06:27:34] <mrrhq> Hmm..
915 [06:27:37] <pingfloyd> there is, it's just shady
916 [06:27:42] <missmbob> no, there isnt
917 [06:28:00] <missmbob> most people dont want to be fined or
get 3 strikes and never be able to go online again
918 [06:28:02] <mrrhq> Emby and Kodi?
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920 [06:28:27] <missmbob> neither of those come close to netflix
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923 [06:29:14] <mrrhq> I also like local media sometimes. But
affording to store, I mean hoard, every movie is hard.
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926 [06:29:26] <mrrhq> Problem is, I don't know how to rip
Bluerays on Linux.
927 [06:29:33] <mrrhq> Or if you can.
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978 [06:59:37] <linuxuser0815> running stretch with kernel Debian
4.6.2-2. Have to install kernel-headers (for virtualbox). But
apt-get install only shows linux-header-4.7.0.1. What to do?
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981 [07:00:14] <iflema> linuxuser0815: run jessie for a start
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983 [07:02:43] <linuxuser0815> ? sorry. why jessie? wanted to try
stretch.
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986 [07:04:32] <missmbob> !tell linuxuser0815 about debian-next
987 [07:04:51] <missmbob> linuxuser0815: you're in the wrong
place. see what the bot just /msg'd you
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993 [07:07:32] <linuxuser0815> ah ok. thanks
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1067 [07:46:03] <ambient> Hey, I am trying to install tor but get
notifications that the packages cannot be verified. Should I be
concerned?
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1072 [07:47:58] <ransur0t> you would need to check the packages
against available key signatures provided
1073 [07:48:01] <han-solo> you're going to use tor. Why do
you care? :)
1074 [07:48:06] <ransur0t> if you want to verify
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1076 [07:48:14] <han-solo> kiddin'
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1079 [07:49:09] <ambient> Yeah, I was following the debian install
instructions and get loads of messages about no verification
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1086 [07:51:58] <sn0wmonster> hi guys, some fruity scammer just
said this in a long diatribe laden with mental health issues
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1088 [07:51:59] <sn0wmonster> cesurasean> mofukka, you know im
well respected in Debian, right?
1089 [07:53:55] <awal1> ambient, you run apt-get update before
install?
1090 [07:54:03] <ambient> awal1, Indeed
1091 [07:55:08] <awal1> bcuz sometimes apt also complains about
unsigned stuff if cache isn't up-to-date
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1093 [07:55:26] <ambient> awal1, Okay, I can try again
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1099 [07:57:52] <pingfloyd> ambient: yeah you should be concerned
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1105 [07:58:44] <ambient>
replaced-url
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1107 [07:59:29] <awal1> ambient, jessie?
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1111 [07:59:41] <pingfloyd> ambient: are you having this issue
installing other packages?
1112 [07:59:51] <ambient> pingfloyd, No
1113 [07:59:53] <pingfloyd> ambient: and are you using the
official jessie repos?
1114 [07:59:54] <ambient> awal1, yes
1115 [08:00:02] <ambient> pingfloyd, yes
1116 [08:00:07] <pingfloyd> ambient: that's rather suspect
then
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1118 [08:00:16] <pingfloyd> suspicious
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1120 [08:00:30] <ambient> pingfloyd, Well,
replaced-url
1121 [08:00:59] <pingfloyd> what's apt-cache policy tor
return?
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1131 [08:03:16] <ambient> pingfloyd,
replaced-url
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1138 [08:04:58] <pingfloyd> that makes more sense
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1140 [08:05:14] <pingfloyd> 500
replaced-url
1141 [08:05:38] <pingfloyd> you're probably missing the key
that repo uses for signing their packages
1142 [08:05:42] <ambient> pingfloyd, So I gotta have vanilla
repositories?
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1145 [08:05:58] <pingfloyd> you don't have to, but it's
easier and more stable
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1149 [08:06:42] <ambient> pingfloyd, I have amd, so nothing is
easy and stable
1150 [08:06:49] <pingfloyd> third-party repositories can present
problems sometimes depending on their quality
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1152 [08:07:10] <ambient> third party repositories = painful
suppositories
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1154 [08:07:22] <pingfloyd> and I generally don't have a
great deal of trust in them, I supposed the torproject.org you can
trust as well as a debian official repository though
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1160 [08:08:46] <ambient> pingfloyd, Well, the main use for my
computer is graphics/video work, so that is the priority
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1162 [08:08:59] <ambient> tor is lower, a nice-to-have
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1166 [08:09:56] <ambient> pingfloyd, But thanks for the insights
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1179 [08:13:30] <styler2go> Hi, i have problems uninstalling
mysql-server on my linux system. can someone help me? i am trying
apt-get purge mysql-server but it always gets stuck at:
replaced-url
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1181 [08:13:44] <pingfloyd> ambient: you can try this: gpg
--keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv 886DDD89 then check fingerprint
against listed here
replaced-url
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1187 [08:14:38] <pingfloyd> ambient: if the fingerprint checks out
ok: gpg --export A3C4F0F979CAA22CDBA8F512EE8CBC9E886DDD89 | sudo
apt-key add - ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install
deb.torproject.org-keyring
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1189 [08:14:45] <pingfloyd> then try installing the tor package
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1192 [08:15:08] <x3kl1> hello there, anyone in here who can shed
some light on a problem i have. im trying to get fprintd to work. It
enrolls ok, but wont verify(no match). is there anyone else in here
with this problem?
1193 [08:15:25] <pingfloyd> that if you want to the use package
provided by torproject.org, otherwise you can skip all that if you
use the debian official package instead
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1199 [08:16:31] <ambient> bash: sudo: coomand not found <-----
odd
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1204 [08:17:13] <pingfloyd> maybe you don't have sudo
1205 [08:17:24] <themill> styler2go: looks a lot like a question
for #ubuntu
1206 [08:17:42] <x3kl1> themill: you mean me?
1207 [08:17:49] <x3kl1> lol my bad
1208 [08:17:51] <styler2go> lol
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1213 [08:18:21] <styler2go> yeah but.. it's more like a
general apt question and i guess apt is also being used in debian :P
and this channel is more active
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1216 [08:18:35] <ambient> pingfloyd, That may have been the
culprit
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1218 [08:18:45] <pingfloyd> ambient: yeah, I think that was the
problem all along
1219 [08:18:58] <pingfloyd> ambient: but it's good to pause
and figure out why a situation like yours happened
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1221 [08:19:03] <themill> styler2go: no, it's a question
about how to configure the ubuntu mysql packages.
1222 [08:19:11] <pingfloyd> ambient: because it could always be
mitm tampering for all you know
1223 [08:19:21] <styler2go> themill, then you're totally
wrong
1224 [08:19:29] <ambient> pingfloyd, I was thinking that too
1225 [08:19:34] <ambient> it is good to be dilligent
1226 [08:19:38] <pingfloyd> all of this song and dance will make
sure that isn't what is the cause
1227 [08:19:42] <themill> styler2go: I can promise you I'm
not. Good luck!
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1232 [08:21:06] <ambient> pingfloyd, Yeah, my government developed
software needs to run properly ; - )
1233 [08:21:32] <pingfloyd> all the more reason to error on the
side of caution
1234 [08:21:59] <pingfloyd> that's what checking the
fingerprint will do
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1236 [08:22:32] <pingfloyd> a step that surprisingly it seems like
many users don't do
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1238 [08:22:58] <pingfloyd> because you can't be sure of a
key's authenticity unless you check that or have a reliable web
of trust already in place
1239 [08:23:04] <ambient> pingfloyd, It's a pain to dig
sometime and asking for help with tor in some places is a no-no
1240 [08:23:19] <ambient> But key signatures apply to other
software too
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1243 [08:23:47] <pingfloyd> what I hate is when projects
don't show their fingerprints over https
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1263 [08:35:17] <l9> what file do i edit when the /etc/resolv.conf
gets over written when i reboot. using ubunut now but considering
too change over too debian
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1271 [08:41:43] <styler2go> themill, problem was i had to use
--force-yes. now tell me that's not an apt problem.
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1275 [08:43:26] <pingfloyd> styler2go: you shouldn't need to
use that if your system isn't broken
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1277 [08:43:40] <styler2go> but it was broken
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1279 [08:43:53] <pingfloyd> it may be even more broken now
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1286 [08:45:52] <pingfloyd> you having to use that is very likely
a symptom of using repositories that are iffy or not intended for
your release
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1293 [08:48:14] <themill> styler2go: that is never needed unless
there is bug in the package. Your distro knows about the bugs in
their packages.
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1309 [08:54:56] <Vladimirski_> not sure where to ask about RAID
and HDD's ?
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1317 [08:59:04] <pingfloyd> Vladimirski_: depends
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1321 [08:59:34] <pingfloyd> if it is about md on debian stable,
then you're probably in the right place
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1336 [09:04:21] <shortCircuit__> hey
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1338 [09:04:38] <shortCircuit__> can I ask for openvpn connecting
to server question?
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1345 [09:06:16] <awal1> dpkg. tell shortCircuit__ about ask
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1348 [09:06:31] <awal1> dpkg: tell shortCircuit__ about ask
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1353 [09:06:51] <shortCircuit__> I think its easier if you just
tell it :P
1354 [09:06:52] <superlinux> hello
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1359 [09:07:26] <shortCircuit__> ok
1360 [09:07:36] <shortCircuit__> I am using debian 8 (at home)
1361 [09:07:46] <shortCircuit__>
replaced-url
1362 [09:07:56] <shortCircuit__> please help to figure what
isn't working
1363 [09:08:10] <shortCircuit__> or how to debug
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1369 [09:08:49] <superlinux> is there a way to compress the
attached images as they come in the postfix email server just to
save space? just name the tool or the script for me please, i will
read about it on my own. the #postfix is asleep now.
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1423 [09:23:26] <Huj-s-Gory> hello
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1425 [09:24:43] <Huj-s-Gory> is there a apt repo that i can use
that provides statically linked distro update?
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1431 [09:26:56] <shortCircuit__> why no one help me with openvpn
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1441 [09:29:59] <r4co0n> shortCircuit__, try to check the
server's log file, maybe you can see a difference between the
first and second connection attempt. Then, test the connection both
ways, try to first ping the ips assigned by openvpn, then maybe the
server's public ip, aso.
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1443 [09:30:34] <shortCircuit__> I can't check the
server's log .. they are not my servers
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1447 [09:31:24] <shortCircuit__> I can't ping the ip that is
available when it should be when connected to the server
1448 [09:31:25] <r4co0n> shortCircuit__, you should be able to
turn up verbosity (really loud, if you want) and then see a
difference in the client connection log
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1450 [09:31:33] <shortCircuit__> ok
1451 [09:31:45] <r4co0n> in your client.conf
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1457 [09:34:09] <questionaire> is xfce4 4.12 available in
jessie-backports?
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##replaced-url
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1466 [09:35:35] <r4co0n> questionaire,
replaced-url
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1470 [09:36:14] <questionaire> there is no backports there r4co0n
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1473 [09:37:02] <r4co0n> questionaire, do a normal search, then,
at the top, you get "Limit to suite" where it also lists
the backports
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1479 [09:38:32] <Mahe> questionaire: afaik it isn't in
jessie-backports
1480 [09:38:54] <questionaire> r4co0n ?? there is no backports on
packages.debian
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1483 [09:39:15] <jelly> questionaire: typically backports only
contain small, self-contained pieces of software, or stuff
that's otherwise useless or nonexistent in stable. A desktop
environment is a huge combo of packages and dependencies
1484 [09:39:21] <questionaire> Mahe alright, but bumped out
because pulse audio volume controler is not available
1485 [09:39:31] <jelly> ,v pavucontrol
1486 [09:39:33] <judd> Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; stretch: 3.0-3+b2; sid: 3.0-3+b2
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1488 [09:39:44] <jelly> questionaire: what do you mean not
available?
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1490 [09:39:53] <questionaire> jelly yeah I am currently using
that but it makes my de feel not smoothened out
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1492 [09:40:06] <questionaire> jelly the old xfce4 packages do not
support pusle audio
1493 [09:40:21] <questionaire> jelly pulse audio support is only
in testing and stid now
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1495 [09:40:26] <jelly> ah
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1497 [09:40:32] <r4co0n> questionaire, the package in question at
replaced-url
1498 [09:40:35] <jelly> adjust your expectations
1499 [09:41:06] <questionaire> jelly i found a thread on
forums.debian after researching abit which seems solid but I would
prefer backports
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1502 [09:41:51] <jelly> questionaire: you're more likely to
create more problems this way, it may be saner to live with that one
tool not looking the exact same way as the others
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1504 [09:42:38] <Mahe> questionaire: I use a custom xfce4.12
jessie backports repo (some kind soul published) since months just
fine on jessie, I can link you the instructions if needed
1505 [09:42:53] <questionaire> mahe is the mxrepo ?
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1509 [09:43:34] <Mahe> questionaire: mxrepo? what's that?
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1518 [09:44:58] <questionaire> mahe yes please do share. On the
debian forums they where talking about a mepis repo for jessie with
some xfce4 4.12 updates in them and I wondered if that is the repo
you are using
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1535 [09:48:51] <Mahe> Xfce 4.12 for jessie:
replaced-url
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1542 [09:51:30] <Mahe> I don't know if it's still
updated/maintained but it runs beautifully stable for me so I
actually don't bother.
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1545 [09:52:18] <Mahe> Would still prefer Xfce 4.12 in the
official backports nonetheless. It's a shame it hasn't
been included there after all this time ...
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1547 [09:53:08] <jelly> something that large, and the version in
stable still usable, may never be included in backports
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1559 [09:54:45] <jelly> Mahe:
replaced-url
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1567 [09:57:15] <Mahe> jelly: that's the overview page of the
repo I'm using, yes
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1578 [10:00:12] <questionaire> mahe thanks!
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1603 [10:07:13] <chemist> Hello everyone :) I'm using Debian
Jessie with xfce4 as my DE. I've read online on some forums
that the desktop zoom should be enabled by default with the key
combination (Alt + Mouse scroll). But it doesn't work. I need
this feature for work, is there an easy way of enabling/installing
this? Please help anyone :)
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1609 [10:09:26] <rafalcpp> Well ##network doesn't know so
maybe here... my debian receives a ping6-request on tun0 network
interface. But it ignores it and does not at all send ping6-reply.
(I monitor tun- with wireshark). Why could that be? To other
ping6-requests, that to me look the same basically, it DOES send
replies. what can be going on?
1610 [10:09:34] <Mahe> chemist: is compositing enabled for xfwm4
on your system?
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1613 [10:10:04] <chemist> let me check
1614 [10:10:19] <Mahe> chemist: (settings > window manager
tweaks > compositing) or something along those lines
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1616 [10:11:46] <chemist> yes
1617 [10:11:48] <chemist> it is enabled
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1619 [10:12:04] <chemist> Mahe, because I use window transparency,
I remember enabling it
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1625 [10:14:19] <Mahe> chemist: what does "xfconf-query -c
xfwm4 -p /general/zoom_desktop" say?
1626 [10:16:17] <CtrlC> Hey what is this line in terminal called?
"user@debian:"
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1629 [10:16:55] <Mahe> CtrlC: "prompt" I guess
1630 [10:17:01] <CtrlC> Thanks.
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1640 [10:21:55] <babilen> CtrlC: why?
1641 [10:22:08] <CtrlC> babilen, Writing readmes.
1642 [10:22:28] <babilen> Ah, fair enough :)
1643 [10:22:36] <chemist> Mahe, just a sec, let me finish
something at work
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1655 [10:24:31] <crCr62U0> Hello. What should i do to add trigger
to run script.sh if package #1,#2,...,#n was installed or upgraded?
1656 [10:25:06] <crCr62U0> Ty for help.
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1660 [10:26:49] <babilen> crCr62U0: You'd place suitable
configuration in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ that'll call your script.
You are probably looking for DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs
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1662 [10:27:14] <babilen> In there you can check if this concerns
one of your special packages
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1664 [10:28:12] <chemist> Mahe, Property
"/general/zoom_desktop" does not exist on channel
"xfwm4".
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1667 [10:28:50] <Mahe> chemist: well, that's strange
1668 [10:28:59] <chemist> It sure is :)
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1670 [10:29:28] <Mahe> chemist: wait, you're running jessie,
aren't you?
1671 [10:29:35] <chemist> yes
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1674 [10:30:11] <chemist> Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie)
1675 [10:30:33] <Mahe> chemist: jessie includes Xfce 4.10, the
zoom feature seems to have been introduced with 4.11
1676 [10:31:01] <chemist> :/
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1679 [10:31:21] <chemist> Is there a way of upgrading to xfce 4.11
without crashing something? :D
1680 [10:32:11] <Mahe> the uneven numbers (4.11 etc.) are
development releases, 4.12 is what you'd be looking for - which
is the latest stable one
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1682 [10:32:30] <babilen> judd: v xfce4
1683 [10:32:31] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3;
jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3
1684 [10:33:11] <Mahe> chemist: although there is unfortunately no
4.12 in the jessie-backports repo, I can recommend you a custom repo
on opensuse builds that carries 4.12 for jessie (I've been
using it for months)
1685 [10:33:41] <babilen> chemist: You can't install 4.12 on
jessie, but it has been packaged in Debian and is available in
stretch or sid. You might, however, not want to run a development
release of Debian on boxes that you need to function/for work.
1686 [10:33:57] <chemist> :/ ok
1687 [10:34:11] <chemist> I guess I'll have to switch back to
ubuntu
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1690 [10:34:29] <crCr62U0> babilen can you show me an example of
that folder from debian machine?
1691 [10:34:38] <babilen> That being said: stretch shouldn't
be too bad now and I would personally consider that to be a better
option than unsupported third party repositories. Running Ubuntu is
certainly an option.
1692 [10:35:00] <babilen> crCr62U0: Why don't you take a look
yourself?
1693 [10:35:26] <chemist> But I like debian better since I've
switched to it. :( No useless additions (like with ubuntu)
1694 [10:35:39] <chemist> and seems more stable to me
1695 [10:35:45] <OpenTokix> 4.12.3 in debian testing
1696 [10:35:51] <chemist> faster also :)
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1698 [10:36:14] <babilen> chemist: Sure, Debian is nice, but if
the most important thing is that you get that zoom feature than you
will have to run a distribution or Debian release that supports it.
1699 [10:36:26] <OpenTokix> babilen: :D
1700 [10:36:28] <chemist> I understand
1701 [10:36:44] <Mahe> chemist: as already said, you have to
options: use the 3rd party 4.12 repo with jessie or switch to
stretch
1702 [10:36:56] <chemist> On the other hand I don't have the
time during work to reinstall my OS. So I guess I'll just have
to deal with not having the feature.
1703 [10:37:08] <babilen> You said that you can't work
without it ;)
1704 [10:37:22] <chemist> Well I "can" but it's a
drag.
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1706 [10:37:51] <chemist> Need to put my eyes 2 cm from the screen
on some occasions :D
1707 [10:38:08] <babilen> Stretch will be released soonish™
(~6 months would be my guess) and you do have options to get hold of
4.12, but they come with their own disadvantages
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1714 [10:40:44] <crCr62U0> babilen where do you read about full
syntax of apt.conf.d/*.?
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1719 [10:43:22] <crCr62U0> Ty for useless help.
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1721 [10:44:46] <jelly> !next
1722 [10:44:47] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1724 [10:46:30] <babilen> wtf, that's not the first time is
it?
1725 [10:48:07] <bezaban> was trying to point him in the right
direction yesterday. I'll have his refund ready next time he
comes in
1726 [10:48:32] <jelly> let's see
1727 [10:48:38] <jelly> !stretch pool 1
1728 [10:48:38] <dpkg> ! TomTomTosch=2017-08-08 greycat=2017-08-15
jellÿ=2017-03-17 themíll=2016-05-01
1729 [10:48:47] <jelly> !stretch pool
1730 [10:48:48] <dpkg> See <stretch pool 1> for bets placed
on when Stretch will release. To add one, ask me about <stretch
bet>.
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1732 [10:49:03] <questionaire> is stretch already frozen_
1733 [10:49:06] <questionaire> ?
1734 [10:49:08] <jelly> nope
1735 [10:49:12] <jelly> !stretch freeze
1736 [10:49:13] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017;
no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a
period of intense bug fixing. See
replaced-url
1737 [10:49:37] <jelly> !pal themíll
1738 [10:49:37] * dpkg points at themíll and laughs uproariously
1739 [10:49:38] <babilen> questionaire: As always that'll
happen on Guy Fawkes Day
1740 [10:49:40] <TomTomTosch> oy, making multiple entries with
random umlaut characters is cheating!
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1742 [10:49:55] <jelly> single entries.
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1842 [11:47:01] <P0KEM0N> hola
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1844 [11:47:11] <P0KEM0N> ;( I want to set its folder from the
right click open command window here
1845 [11:47:12] <P0KEM0N> in um
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1848 [11:48:59] <babilen> Which program is "um" ?
1849 [11:48:59] <P0KEM0N> thunar
1850 [11:49:07] <P0KEM0N> soz had to check haha
1851 [11:49:42] <P0KEM0N> and the terminal I want to set the
folder for is guake
1852 [11:50:16] <P0KEM0N> preferably in a new tab if thats not too
greedy haha
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1856 [11:50:47] <elsewho> hello
1857 [11:50:48] <elsewho> how can one list the files belonging to
a package?
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1865 [11:53:43] <TomTomTo1> elsewho: dpkg-query -L <pkg>
1866 [11:54:04] <cuker> i have a server in rescue mode and
I'm trying to install the kernel, how do I add a repository to
fix it?
1867 [11:54:45] <babilen> cuker: You mean that you don't have
any repositories configured in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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1870 [11:55:15] <cuker> babilen: i have these
1871 [11:55:18] <cuker> deb
replaced-url
1872 [11:55:18] <cuker> deb
replaced-url
1873 [11:55:35] <cuker> but it doesn't find the package when
i try to reinstall
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1875 [11:55:48] <babilen> Which package is that?
1876 [11:55:51] <babilen> dpkg: bat
1877 [11:55:52] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1878 [11:56:05] <cuker> apt-get install --resintall
linux-image-3.10.101
1879 [11:56:26] <babilen> That package is not in Debian nor is
that kernel version in use.
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1883 [11:56:44] <babilen> You also want "--reinstall"
rather than "--resintall"
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1886 [11:57:15] <babilen> cuker: What does "uname -a"
and "dpkg -l|grep linux-image" give you?
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1888 [11:57:47] <cuker> uname -a
1889 [11:57:47] <cuker> Linux rescue 3.10.101 #2 SMP Fri Apr 15
08:26:53 UTC 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux
1890 [11:57:54] <babilen> P0KEM0N: You might want to ask in a XFCE
channel, I can't help you with that
1891 [11:57:55] <cuker> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
1892 [11:57:55] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep
linux-image
1893 [11:57:57] <cuker> nothing
1894 [11:58:11] <P0KEM0N> babilen, all good its not important
anyway haha
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1896 [11:58:35] <babilen> cuker: Where is that kernel from?
1897 [11:58:56] <cuker> that is what uname -a gives
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1900 [11:59:19] <babilen> cuker: What does "apt-cache policy
linux-image-amd64" give you?
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1902 [11:59:56] <JyZyXEL> is it considered normal that your Mouse
cursor becomes _extremely_ laggy and unresponsive when you plug in a
USB 3 Mass Storage device in to the same hub and start a file
transfer?
1903 [12:00:27] <JyZyXEL> is there like no QoS for USB devices, so
that the mice would continue to function during file transfer?
1904 [12:00:43] <cuker> babilen: i put in paste.debian.net
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1906 [12:00:59] <babilen> cuker: Yes, please do
1907 [12:01:17] <cuker> apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64
1908 [12:01:18] <cuker> linux-image-amd64:
1909 [12:01:18] <cuker> Installed: (none)
1910 [12:01:18] <cuker> Candidate: 3.16+63
1911 [12:01:18] <cuker> Version table:
1912 [12:01:18] <cuker> 3.16+63 0
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1914 [12:01:28] <babilen> ...
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1916 [12:01:48] <cuker> babilen, i already pasted it ther
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1918 [12:01:51] <babilen> cuker: Didn't you just say that
you'll use
replaced-url
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1920 [12:01:59] <babilen> cuker: Do you have a link?
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1922 [12:02:08] <cuker>
replaced-url
1923 [12:02:18] <cuker> babilen, didn't know how to use it
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1926 [12:03:18] <babilen> Okay, looks as if you don't have
that kernel package. What does "apt-cache policy
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64" give you? And could you paste the
command you used for "dpkg -l|grep linux-image" and its
output again?
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1928 [12:04:00] <babilen> Ah, throw in the output of "ls
/boot" also
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1930 [12:04:55] <cuker> babilen,
replaced-url
1931 [12:06:17] <babilen> cuker: Great, what about "ls
/boot" ?
1932 [12:06:33] <cuker> doesn't exist
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1934 [12:06:54] <cuker> babilen, ls /boot is empty
1935 [12:07:24] <babilen> Okay .. that is most certainly not a
normal installation nor do you have any kernel packages installed.
Could this be an OpenVZ box or another form of hosted VM?
1936 [12:07:35] <TomTomTo1> so you are using the 1and1 resque tool
for VPS, which is some custom live system.
1937 [12:07:53] <cuker> it's a hosted dedicated server
1938 [12:08:01] <cuker> babilen, not a vm
1939 [12:09:20] <babilen> cuker: You are chrooted into your
system, aren't you?
1940 [12:09:27] <babilen> Or logged in
1941 [12:09:43] <cuker> babilen, logged in into rescue mode
through a serial console
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1944 [12:10:03] <babilen> Ah, its 1&1
1945 [12:10:13] <cuker> babilen, yes
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1947 [12:10:37] <babilen> cuker: I'd suggest to chroot into
your system and repeat this exercise
1948 [12:10:41] <babilen> dpkg: fixmbr
1949 [12:10:41] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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1951 [12:10:58] <babilen> You can use ^^ to do so (do not
reinstall grub and adapt to your situation)
1952 [12:10:59] <cuker> babilen, how do I chrrot into the system?
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1956 [12:11:50] <cuker> dpkg: rescue mode
1957 [12:11:50] <dpkg> Debian-Installer has a recovery
('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB
or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide
("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me
about <install guide>.
1958 [12:12:01] <cuker> dpkg: install guide
1959 [12:12:01] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8
"Jessie" can be found at
replaced-url
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1962 [12:13:57] <babilen> cuker: That's *not* the rescue mode
nor the installation your hoster provided (and you would presumably
have to ask them about the specifics of that system)
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1964 [12:14:44] <cuker> babilen, should i resinstall or is there a
chance to fix it?
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1966 [12:15:48] <babilen> cuker: I have seen no indication that
you have to reinstall at all, nor am I sure what the actual problem
is. That is: *Why* are you in their rescue system to begin with?
1967 [12:16:19] <babilen> You should chroot into your system. The
exact manner to do so depends on your system's and your
hoster's setup.
1968 [12:16:27] <cuker> babilen, this a is a friend's box, he
asked me to troubleshoot, there has a been a disk failure and somone
has booted it into rescue mode
1969 [12:16:30] <babilen> You might want to contact them for more
specific help.
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1971 [12:16:59] <babilen> cuker: Then you might want to fsck the
root filesystem manually.
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1973 [12:17:07] <babilen> I can't tell you which device it is
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1975 [12:17:58] <babilen> lsblk might yield something interesting
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1980 [12:19:20] <cuker> babilen,
replaced-url
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2026 [12:37:26] <nickgaw> Hi, Where can I download the source for
grub-legasy as the download pages have nothing on them?
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2059 [12:50:47] <CtrlC> Can a user running a vpn affect ssh
connections to it?
2060 [12:50:54] <CtrlC> Can i normally ssh to it?
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2069 [12:51:57] <google77> When are freezes starting?
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2072 [12:52:24] <CtrlC> google77, talking to me?
2073 [12:52:27] <CtrlC> ah
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2075 [12:52:31] <CtrlC> my bad.
2076 [12:52:33] <google77> no
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2082 [12:54:17] <bezaban> CtrlC: yes, you can get asymmetric
routing
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2086 [12:55:02] <bezaban> if I understand what you mean by
'it' and 'user'
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2088 [12:55:20] <babilen> google77: Guy Fawkes Night (5.11)
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2090 [12:55:29] <CtrlC> it = the user than runs the vpn bezaban
2091 [12:55:36] <CtrlC> so I can't normally ssh?
2092 [12:55:37] <bezaban> CtrlC: you cant ssh to users
2093 [12:55:48] <CtrlC> what?
2094 [12:55:54] <bezaban> you ssh to a machine is my point
2095 [12:56:02] <bezaban> or a host rather
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2097 [12:56:30] <seoner> CtrlC: you can ssh _as_ users
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2102 [12:57:16] <CtrlC> so do I need to do extra stuff if a user
lets say $user runs a vpn using wicd or something? Like would ssh
$user@IP just fine?
2103 [12:57:16] <babilen> google77: Well, there are multiple
deadlines:
replaced-url
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2106 [12:57:39] <CtrlC> work just fine*
2107 [12:57:51] <bezaban> CtrlC: depends entirely on how you do
routing wrt to the vpn. You can get in a scenario where you have
asymmetric routing while a vpn connection is up and hence
connections to the host will fail
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2112 [12:58:44] <CtrlC> bezaban, Do you have any quick link or
something on how to do it?
2113 [12:58:53] <google77> babilen what's the recommended
thing to do once freeze starts? should I be on the stretch or
testing repositories?
2114 [12:58:56] <CtrlC> idk what wrt is.
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2116 [12:59:10] <babilen> google77: That depends on what you want
*after* the release
2117 [12:59:25] <babilen> For now they are linked to each other
2118 [12:59:32] <babilen> (or rather stretch is linked to testing)
2119 [12:59:32] <bezaban> CtrlC: you want to allow ssh connections
while a ssh is up? You are only asking very general questions,
please try to be a little more specific. wrt means with regard to
2120 [12:59:39] <bezaban> while a vpn* is up
2121 [12:59:45] <google77> babilen I guess I would prefer to wait
a month and then switch back to testing again
2122 [12:59:56] <babilen> google77: You want "stretch"
in that case
2123 [13:00:02] <babilen> (and that's sensible)
2124 [13:00:04] <google77> aha, thx.
2125 [13:00:06] <bezaban> you can either not forward ssh traffic
in general or do it only for specific hosts, alternatively you can
have another interface. It all depends what traffic you want/need
over the vpn
2126 [13:00:11] <bezaban> CtrlC: ^
2127 [13:00:17] <CtrlC> bezaban, I want to make sure nothing gets
broken if I run a vpn on a vps. I want to know what issue might come
up?
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2129 [13:00:59] <CtrlC> bezaban, there are some programs that I
want to go through the VPN. The entire user would do that.
2130 [13:01:01] <bezaban> CtrlC: ah yes, you may break your
networking while playing with that. Hopefully your provider has a
way of doing a remote reboot
2131 [13:01:13] <bezaban> vpns do not work per user
2132 [13:01:44] <CtrlC> how can I get it per user?
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2134 [13:02:00] <bezaban> CtrlC: not sure its possible.
2135 [13:02:31] <CtrlC> bezaban, how to do the running vpn without
broking the system then?
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2137 [13:03:30] <bezaban> CtrlC: it is a mix of knowing your
network topology, how routing works & vpn setup. I don't
have a quick guide handy I'm afraid
2138 [13:03:44] <babilen> "don't get it wrong"
2139 [13:03:49] <bezaban> yeah lol
2140 [13:03:57] <CtrlC> bezaban, so I need to get help from vps
providers?
2141 [13:04:02] <bezaban> don't know what other advice to
give, it becomes very specific
2142 [13:04:19] <bezaban> CtrlC: no, not really, but if they
offer/you pay for support that might be a way to go
2143 [13:04:23] <babilen> As with firewalls: you might want to
consider scheduling something that reverts your change if it
isn't stopped within a certain amount of time
2144 [13:04:53] <CtrlC> wouldn't I be able to control that?
on ssh?
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2146 [13:05:02] <CtrlC> I need it up and running.
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2148 [13:06:04] <bezaban> CtrlC: babilen has a good tip. Also I
would start with local networks only and don't go for default
route over vpn (if that is what you are trying to accomplish). Also
maybe specifically add a route with a low metric to the host/network
you are managing the vps from
2149 [13:06:39] <CtrlC> I have no clue what those are.
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2152 [13:08:15] <babilen> What are you trying to achieve with that
VPN? Have you ever configured a VPN before?
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2154 [13:08:40] <CtrlC> I did using graphical net managers.
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2156 [13:09:24] <CtrlC> I need to change the ip of a program it
runs to another location.
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2158 [13:09:31] <babilen> In that you have been given a working
VPN client configuration beforehand, but you never configured the
server side?
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2162 [13:09:54] <shortCircuit__> hey
2163 [13:10:02] <shortCircuit__> I have a question
2164 [13:10:09] <CtrlC> babilen, I don't have access to vpn
server.
2165 [13:10:36] <babilen> CtrlC: What do you mean by "change
the ip of a program ... to another location" ?
2166 [13:10:41] <bezaban> CtrlC: alternatively you could do a
reverse proxy at the other site
2167 [13:10:45] <shortCircuit__> when I change the
/etc/resolv.conf .. it doesn't work . but when I change from
the network settings then it changes the resolv.conf and then things
work
2168 [13:10:47] <shortCircuit__> why is that
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2170 [13:11:10] <bezaban> but I am jumping to conclusions,
probably wise to get some more background yes
2171 [13:11:21] <babilen> shortCircuit__: It would work if you
edit /etc/resolv.conf, could you provide information in a paste on
replaced-url
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2174 [13:11:32] <shortCircuit__> ok
2175 [13:11:42] <CtrlC> babilen, I have an ip. Lets say I open
google. it will get my ip. Now I set up a vpn and going to google
it'll get another ip.
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2177 [13:12:10] <babilen> You can't change Google's IP
addresses
2178 [13:12:11] <CtrlC> bezaban, Can you explain more?
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2180 [13:12:21] <CtrlC> babilen, my ip that google sees!
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2183 [13:12:54] <babilen> Okay, and you have been given a working
VPN configuration that allows you to do that?
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2185 [13:13:00] <babilen> (client config that is)
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2188 [13:13:34] <CtrlC> babilen, I want to use something like
surfeasy lets say.replaced-url
2189 [13:13:39] <CtrlC> whatever.
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2198 [13:15:08] <CtrlC> bezaban, do you have any idea how to do
it?
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2201 [13:15:22] <shortCircuit__>
replaced-url
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2203 [13:15:31] <CtrlC> any program, tutorial anything that helps.
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2206 [13:16:21] <babilen> shortCircuit__: Are you sure that is on
Debian?
2207 [13:16:35] <shortCircuit__> which one ?
2208 [13:16:42] <shortCircuit__> the change not reflecting ?
2209 [13:16:45] <shortCircuit__> hm
2210 [13:16:52] <babilen> shortCircuit__: The files you are
showing
2211 [13:17:02] <babilen> They are mentioning "this Mac OS X
system"
2212 [13:17:07] <shortCircuit__> oh the comments are mac ..
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2215 [13:17:16] <shortCircuit__> I just copy pasted the whole file
2216 [13:17:19] <shortCircuit__> no worries
2217 [13:17:28] <babilen> Why would you have those comments on
Debian?
2218 [13:17:46] <shortCircuit__> ah, I copied the files with scp
and sudo mv
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2221 [13:18:05] <babilen> You also mention that you use
"tunnelblick in mac"
2222 [13:18:06] <shortCircuit__> do I have to restart after
channging the resolv.conf
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2224 [13:18:15] <abrotman> no
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2226 [13:18:35] <shortCircuit__> yes .. at office everyone uses
mac .. they think osx is a real os
2227 [13:18:38] <babilen> And it would work right away
2228 [13:18:43] <shortCircuit__> :(
2229 [13:19:06] <babilen> How are you testing if it
"works" or not?
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2231 [13:19:55] <shortCircuit__> we have an ip. when the
tunnelblick is there, and the connection to vpn is success then
there is an ip that we have to hit (company portal)
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2233 [13:20:06] <shortCircuit__> with openvpn when I connect
manually it doesn't work
2234 [13:20:34] <shortCircuit__> then I looked at the log files,
tunnelblick provides one and in debian i used strace -f
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2236 [13:20:54] <shortCircuit__> then I saw that the dns setup is
not being done when I connect manually with openvpn
2237 [13:21:10] <bezaban> CtrlC: I'm afraid it might be hard
asking such general questions on irc, you have to get yourself
dirty, make some attempts and ask more specific questions when you
encounter problems. Someone else might be able to do some free
consulting, but I'm afraid I don't offer that now
2238 [13:21:34] <babilen> shortCircuit__: Would you need the VPN
to connect to those nameservers?
2239 [13:21:49] <CtrlC> bezaban, I just don't know how to get
dirty now. Where to start
2240 [13:21:59] <shortCircuit__> there is one nameserver the
169.254.169.254
2241 [13:22:07] <babilen> shortCircuit__: Can you reach it?
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2243 [13:22:29] <shortCircuit__> ping it? when connected to vpn or
not connected ?
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2246 [13:23:02] <babilen> I'd test with "dig
@169.254.169.254 name.of.a.box.you.cant.resolve" but yeah
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2251 [13:24:47] <BrahRah> how do I express all files and folders
and subfolders in debian?
2252 [13:24:52] <BrahRah> is this just *
2253 [13:25:12] <BrahRah> I need this for resync backup
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2255 [13:25:56] <BrahRah> this is what I've been able to put
together so far: rsync -rtavzu --verbose --delete -e "ssh -p
$12345"
"\"/cygdrive/c/cygwin64/bin/ssh.exe\""
"user@111.111.111.111:/*"
"cygdrive/h/ServerBackup"
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2257 [13:26:25] <BrahRah> but user@111.111.111.111:/* is probably
frwon
2258 [13:26:27] <BrahRah> wrong
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2262 [13:27:42] <BrahRah> when I google this problem they use find
but I'm not sure where I have to put that in
2263 [13:27:54] <BrahRah> since they use find at the start of the
command
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2288 [13:36:31] <babilen> shortCircuit__: And, does that work?
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2292 [13:37:14] <shortCircuit__> oh .. one sec .. I am trying this
one
replaced-url
2293 [13:37:37] <shortCircuit__> I got lost in google search ..
yeah when I dig .. it returns a response
2294 [13:37:56] <shortCircuit__> ;; SERVER:
169.254.169.254#53(169.254.169.254) ;; WHEN: Thu Oct 27 17:07:41
2016 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 108
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2312 [13:43:49] <shortCircuit__> \o/
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2347 [14:03:09] <sobczyk> hi, how can I add paths for
dh_python{2,3} to consider? I am making a package with /opt prefix
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2352 [14:04:07] <spleen> Bonjour
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2379 [14:22:00] <shortCircuit__> is it possible to connect to
internet using wifi as well as ethernet cable? if so how does the os
decide which traffic goes through which one?
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2390 [14:24:38] <OpenTokix> shortCircuit__: By priority on the
connections that you can see using the netstat -nr command and
metric option in route command.
2391 [14:24:40] <peetaur2> shortCircuit__: yes you can connect as
many as you want; run ip r command, and it *basically* takes the
first that matches. But you can set up other things, like
replaced-url
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2410 [14:30:28] <corbytacrb> hi all
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2412 [14:30:36] <shortCircuit__> ok cool
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2414 [14:30:56] <shortCircuit__> networking and learning how os
handles it .. this is so cool
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2417 [14:31:44] <shortCircuit__> and to the CEO and this assitant,
who said you are wasting your time if you don't learn touch
typing .. ON HIS FACE
2418 [14:31:45] <shortCircuit__> :D
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2422 [14:32:42] <Tymoti> Hi, how can I install alsa from source on
Debian jessie ?
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2425 [14:34:09] <shortCircuit__> I am also planning a write a
simple compiler .. that does IR .. I am impressed by
replaced-url
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2495 [15:00:31] <shortCircuit__> how to make a terminal ?
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2497 [15:00:57] <shortCircuit__> not using vte .. that has a
fucked up codebase
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2517 [15:08:08] <shortCircuit__>
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2518 [15:08:12] <shortCircuit__> linux
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2526 [15:11:32] <OpenTokix> shortCircuit__: yes, route command
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2540 [15:16:31] <shortCircuit__> ok
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2557 [15:20:37] <shortCircuit__> but how does one add a
searchdomain with route add
2558 [15:21:07] <shortCircuit__> dns I guess I can add with route
add default gw serverip
2559 [15:21:11] <bezaban> shortCircuit__: you can't.
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2562 [15:21:32] <shortCircuit__> so directly edit the resolv.conf
.. sudo tee !!
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2580 [15:27:23] <corbytacrb> #craiva
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2622 [15:44:58] <Flashtek> Good afternoon peoples. I am trying to
make a Debian box, with dnsmasq installed, silently drop AAAA
requests. I found the command "iptables -A AAAA -m dns
--query-type AAAA -j DROP" but my Jessie box just reports that
it can't load the match (which I think means I am missing an
extension). I installed "xtables-addons-common" but the
problem persists... any thoughts on this appreciated.
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2625 [15:46:36] <gebruiker> aah
2626 [15:46:50] <gebruiker> took the plunge and dist-upgraded to
sid
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2635 [15:48:54] <RoyK> !sns
2636 [15:48:55] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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2638 [15:50:00] <cuker> dpkg: backports
2639 [15:50:00] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
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2641 [15:50:12] <cuker> dpkg: ssb
2642 [15:50:12] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2643 [15:50:17] <gebruiker> i followed the offical handbook fuck
what dpkg says
2644 [15:50:47] <gebruiker> sorry for the blunt expression, but i
am sure you can imagine fancy reasons for justifying the handbook
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2646 [15:51:29] <RoyK> !debian-next
2647 [15:51:30] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2654 [15:56:00] <r3m1> hello
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2658 [15:56:49] <r3m1> I have modified apache web server
configurations, and when I do a service apache2 restarts, it fails
with the following message Reloading web server config: apache2
failed!
2659 [15:57:07] <r3m1> which log shall I look into to see
what's wrong ?
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2662 [15:57:34] <xormor> is there a reason I should use aptitude
or apt-get instead of "apt"?
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2665 [15:57:49] <CalTech> Hi!
2666 [15:57:53] <CalTech> I'm CalTech!
2667 [15:57:56] <CalTech> How are you all?
2668 [15:58:21] <r3m1> alright, found the bug
2669 [15:58:22] <missmbob> r3m1: sudo apachectl configtest might
help
2670 [15:58:31] <OpenTokix> xormor: cool progressbar
2671 [15:58:34] <r3m1> thx missmbob
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2678 [16:00:17] <JyZyXEL> can i debootstrap on top of a existing
chroot?
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2694 [16:05:40] <babilen> JyZyXEL: What do you expect that to
achieve?
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2696 [16:05:50] <babilen> And: What happened when you tried?
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2698 [16:06:57] <JyZyXEL> im just a bit concerned because i
enabled "passwd" and "groups" in schroot
nssdatabases after i had already debootsrapped the system
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2701 [16:07:25] <JyZyXEL> meaning it overwrote the groups and
passwords on the chrooted system with the host configurations
2702 [16:07:55] <JyZyXEL> they might or might not match the
uid/gid's on the chrooted filesystem anymore
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2704 [16:08:20] <JyZyXEL> it's hard to say, because schroot
does not back up the old ones
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2708 [16:09:05] <JyZyXEL> so im thinking i might want to redo the
whole chroot with debootstrap
2709 [16:09:12] <JyZyXEL> just to be sure
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2711 [16:09:46] <DammitJim> I have a samba mount to another linux
server
2712 [16:09:56] <DammitJim> I turned off that other server and now
df is hung on my machine
2713 [16:10:00] <DammitJim> how long until that returns?
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2715 [16:10:24] <DammitJim> sorry, not a linux server, it's a
windows server
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2723 [16:16:55] <jhutchins> DammitJim: WHen are you planning to
reboot next?
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2725 [16:17:28] <DammitJim> I"m bringing the windows server
back up now
2726 [16:17:31] <Flashtek> open another terminal and kill the
process, then force unmount the share
2727 [16:17:37] <DammitJim> the problem I have is that there are
applications that depend on that mount
2728 [16:17:48] <DammitJim> and I want to be notified when the
resource is not available
2729 [16:17:59] <DammitJim> and so far my scripts that look into
/proc/mounts is not alerting me
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2732 [16:18:15] <Flashtek> nagios or similar?
2733 [16:18:23] <DammitJim> for some reason (which I have to look
into), some server mounts are disconnecting on me w/o me knowing
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2736 [16:19:31] <n4dir> what is the question DammitJim
2737 [16:19:40] <Flashtek> DammitJim: might want to look in to the
nagios scripts... much can be tested with that, and doesn't
mandate running the nagios UI
2738 [16:20:04] <DammitJim> n4dir I have server mounts
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2740 [16:20:20] <DammitJim> sometimes those mounts become
unavailable on the server and applications rely on those paths
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2743 [16:20:31] <DammitJim> I need to be able to #1 get notified
that the resource is no longer available
2744 [16:20:42] <DammitJim> #2 try to remount it automatically
2745 [16:20:55] <DammitJim> I tested this by turning off the
remote server
2746 [16:21:04] <DammitJim> but my scripts that check /proc/mounts
are not alerting me
2747 [16:21:07] <DammitJim> also doing a df just hangs
2748 [16:21:25] <Flashtek> that's likely because, as far as
the system is aware, it's still mounted
2749 [16:21:26] <Flashtek> just stale
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2751 [16:21:29] <n4dir> you probably will want to pastebin your
script in that case.
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2757 [16:22:13] <DammitJim> n4dir, the script just does this: if !
grep -qs "/mnt/servermount" /proc/mounts; then alert;fi
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2776 [16:28:23] <n4dir> and alert else does work?
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2778 [16:29:22] <n4dir> that is: i can't figure out what
"alert" might be ...
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2787 [16:32:07] <DammitJim> no
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2791 [16:33:23] <n4dir> Well: i guess that is your problem.
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2799 [16:36:34] <DammitJim> no, the problem is that the system is
NOT telling me that the mount is not thre
2800 [16:36:45] <DammitJim> and like I said... the df command
hangs and doesn't return
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2802 [16:36:56] <DammitJim> so, what should I be checking so that
the system gives me a state of the mount
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2806 [16:37:50] <n4dir> you should have asked that in the first
place. just saying. anyway, i got other things to do now
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2809 [16:39:44] <lantern> i'm having this odd issue with ssh
on a new installation. any idea how to turn of the debug message?
sshd_config shows Loglevel ERROR.
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2813 [16:41:44] <petemc> lantern: you're not using -verbose
with the client ?
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2837 [16:47:46] <SerajewelKS> is there some reason why systemd
does not create user journals when logs are transient?
2838 [16:47:57] <SerajewelKS> i can't get any logs from user
services :S
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2844 [16:50:06] <lantern> petemc: no, just ssh without parameters
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2856 [16:55:54] <jhutchins> lantern: You might try it with 1-3 -v
just to see if you get more context.
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2858 [16:56:08] <jhutchins> lantern: I doubt it's a
server-side thing.
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2898 [17:05:14] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2899 [17:05:15] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686
(4.7.8-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.8-1); jessie-backports:
4.7.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.7.8-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.36-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.36-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.82-1)
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2923 [17:09:35] <habs> somiaj: OK, so I tried to make a chroot
with "sudo debootstrap stretch /srv/chroot/stretch/" and I
eventually got "I: Extracting zlib1g..." / "W:
Failure trying to run: chroot /srv/chroot/stretch mount -t proc proc
/proc" / "W: See
/srv/chroot/stretch/debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details",
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2978 [17:21:24] <jhutchins> habs: The usual recommendation is to
install stable, then "upgrade" to testing. The installers
are some of the last software to be finalized before a release.
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2995 [17:24:55] <Learnerwind> hi
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3025 [17:32:55] <Razva> how can I set a cifs to be mounted on
boot?
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3037 [17:34:58] <r3m1> have an apache server. Configured a Vhost .
There are some cgi-bin that are available in this host. I need to
pass environment variables the executables in cgi-bin
3038 [17:35:10] <r3m1> in my .conf I used the PassEnv directive
3039 [17:35:18] <CuteMeOwnThroat> put it in /etc/fstab… man
fstab should tell you how
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3043 [17:36:32] <r3m1> the poroblem is that when I start apache, i
have warnings [warn] PassEnv variable AUTH_TOKEN was undefined
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3057 [17:42:24] <njumdl2014_> Hello, I have a question about
software dependency problem. locales->libc-bin->libc6. When I
install libc6, it depends on locales. Wow, how do I solve this
problem?
3058 [17:42:31] <njumdl2014_>
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3069 [17:45:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> that's a bit too err,
chinese for me… set LANG=C … or possibly even LC_ALL=C
before you run commands
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3073 [17:46:08] <CuteMeOwnThroat> judd, versions locales
3074 [17:46:09] <judd> Package: locales on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security:
2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u6; sid: 2.24-5; stretch: 2.24-5
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3077 [17:46:58] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh, and as this seems to be
ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu, not here
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3083 [17:48:24] <njumdl2014> I asked there, but no response.
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3085 [17:48:45] <njumdl2014> Is there any general method to solve
software dependency problem?
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3089 [17:49:43] <CuteMeOwnThroat> no… and generally you
just don't ever get dependency problems if you only use
packages from debian stable
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3094 [17:50:52] <ToTheInternet> Hi. I did an apt-get upgrade which
apparently updated libc6 and postgresql. the latter now is not
working anymore. 'service postgresql status' says
'active' and 'Started PostgreSQL RDBMS' but
there is no process listening on port 5432. there exists, however, a
running postgres process.
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3097 [17:52:00] <ToTheInternet> i can't connect locally
either, by doing 'psql -U username', it is not able to
accept connections.
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3099 [17:52:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> what version of debian is
this… or from what to what did you upgrade
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3105 [17:53:12] <ToTheInternet> CuteMeOwnThroat: it's debian
testing
3106 [17:53:36] <ToTheInternet> CuteMeOwnThroat: i hadn't run
apt-get upgrade for about 4-6 weeks, can't say exactly.
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3110 [17:55:25] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I'd check
bugs.debian.org/postgresql … and you probably want to ask
that at irc.oftc.net in #debian-next
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3115 [17:56:59] <CuteMeOwnThroat> apart from that… try to
see what errors there may be when you restart… either in logs
(/var/log/messages and some postgresql-specific log in /var/log/ ;
or possibly via journalctl)
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3118 [17:57:18] <elliot007> Hey today I did a fresh debian
install, then I install few utilities and i3 wm and then I installed
gnome-disk-utility,
3119 [17:57:20] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I'd also start it manually
to see what it may print directly to a terminal
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3121 [17:57:38] <elliot007> then I run it from terminal, it gave
me seg fault
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3124 [17:58:24] <elliot007> then I installed gnome-terminal and
then I run it again and this time it worked
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3128 [17:58:49] <paul`> Hi folks, what is your sentiment about
proxmox ? I'm new to it, and so far I ran into multiple
problems and limitations. Is it supposed to be quality work, or just
a quick GUI on top of kvm and LXC with nothing really compeling to
offer to a decent debian admin ?
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3130 [18:00:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> they have their own channel
here, ##proxmox
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3135 [18:02:22] <jhutchins> !proxmox
3136 [18:02:22] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is
a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a
virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is
not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial
proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see
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3140 [18:04:35] <kals> hello
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3147 [18:07:05] <kals> can anyone help me real quick? I am
developing a little tool that mounts encrypted partition (It's
for a school project) and I need to somehow use the device mapper to
make a device file wrap around one time. That is, map for example
/dev/sda onto, say, /dev/mapper/abc0 such that abc0 has twice the
size of sda and repeats all the contents of sda once.
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3149 [18:07:43] <kals> I'm don't expect to get someone
to tell me how to achieve that right away but I don't know
where to read
3150 [18:07:49] <kals> I don't *
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3155 [18:09:22] <way218> kals: which country are you from ?
3156 [18:09:40] <kals> argentina, why?
3157 [18:09:46] <way218> encryption in school
3158 [18:09:52] <way218> sounds nice
3159 [18:09:55] <kals> well.. college
3160 [18:09:59] <way218> ic
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3164 [18:11:19] <jhutchins> kals: You can mount a partition on
itself. Might need to mount -bind
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3168 [18:11:59] <kals> I don't want to mount partitions
(yet). I just want to map a device on a way that it contents are
"laid out" twice.
3169 [18:12:12] <kals> I kind of just need it to wrap around once
3170 [18:12:38] <way218> losetup has offset and size-limit
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3173 [18:12:52] <way218> you can combine it with a raid
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3178 [18:13:58] <kals> I can? what kind of raid would that be?
3179 [18:14:04] <way218> linear raid
3180 [18:14:17] <way218> you want to double your bitstream, right
?
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3182 [18:14:27] <way218> i thought it the other way round
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3184 [18:14:41] <way218> mak 0b0101 into 0b01010101, right ?
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3187 [18:15:15] <kals> exactly
3188 [18:15:29] <styler2go> Hello. I am trying to setup an IPv6
dyndns. Is there some kind of client to do that? I tried ddclient
but it seems like it can only update ipv4
3189 [18:15:34] <kals> 0101 into 01010101
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3191 [18:16:08] <way218> and if you flip bit 0 you also flip bit
4, right ?
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3193 [18:16:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> kals, "man cryptsetup"
is probably the start
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3195 [18:17:32] <kals> that's right way218.
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3197 [18:18:32] <way218> CuteMeOwnThroat: sure this is all ?
3198 [18:18:52] <kals> CuteMeOwnThroat I already read that
manpage. But let's just forget about encryption. I want to use
encryption after mapping the device so that it wraps around.
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3202 [18:19:51] <CuteMeOwnThroat> way218, no, but clearly the
place to start :)
3203 [18:20:11] <kals> yup.
3204 [18:20:13] <way218> yes but i think the encryption part is
the smaller problem here
3205 [18:21:41] <kals> exactly. Ive already used cryptsetup to
encrypt a volume before. That's not an issue, at least so far.
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3207 [18:21:57] <way218> you dont want to put a filesystem in
there, right ?
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3209 [18:23:28] <kals> I do. Its supposed to be deniable
encryption. We want to have several different partitions (all of
them of the same size) only with their partition tables at different
offsets
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3213 [18:24:19] <kals> Also each partition would be mounted under
different encryption keys. (That implies using cryptsetup everytime
we want to mount a partition)
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3218 [18:25:18] <ignasr> hi, trying to start nfs-kernel-server on
xen domU and getting "Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no
support in current kernel. ... (warning)." How should I debug
this? Does this mean that xen is unable to donfs?
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3220 [18:25:23] <kals> And that also implies that only one
partition can be mounted at a time. And that the user has to be
careful not to write too many data or it could "bleed out"
onto other partitions
3221 [18:25:24] <way218> kals: there is sth. called linear raid.
you may be able to concatenate the block device twice
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3225 [18:26:14] <__VEGAN__> Have you eaten ground beef recently?
Ground beef is the result of everything outside of the cow's
bones (including nerves) being ground up. Ground beef often contains
prions (misfolded proteins) which due to mammalic protein metabolism
act virally and will cause you to come down with Creutzfeldt-Jakob
Disease (CJD) where your brain slowly decays due to holes forming in
your
3226 [18:26:14] <__VEGAN__> brain, as the proteins in your body
lose their ability to fold properly. Do you feel as smart as you
were last week or last month? You may have it. Meat has always been
murder, but now, when you serve beef, you may be murdering the ones
you love and even yourself. There IS a healthy alternative! Visit
replaced-url
3227 [18:26:15] <kals> great. dankeschön way218.
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3229 [18:26:29] <kals> (please tell me you actually are from
germany and i didnt make a fool of myself)
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3231 [18:26:51] <way218> its true, but how do you know? shitty
english or ip ?
3232 [18:27:31] <kals> ip. i checked when you asked me were i was
form haha. ist es nicht verboten andere sprachen zu sprechen , oder?
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3235 [18:27:44] <way218> ich denke schon
3236 [18:28:03] <way218> englishonlyanarchos
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3238 [18:28:12] <kals> haha
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3242 [18:28:38] <kals> anyway. thanks! I will do some reading on
linear raids. right now i gtg.
3243 [18:28:58] <way218> if this is the way to go you must asure
that there is no caching
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3248 [18:29:18] <way218> i am not sure if this is going to work
actually :)
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3250 [18:29:39] <kals> anything helps
3251 [18:29:43] <kals> bye
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3255 [18:30:22] <way218> cu
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3264 [18:32:58] <elliot007> /quit
3265 [18:33:08] <Goddesspapa> What's the voodoo to make Steam
not such a pain in the ass on Jessie?
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3268 [18:34:00] <jhutchins> Goddesspapa: It has not been
established that steam is a pain in the ass on jessie.
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3270 [18:34:21] <jhutchins> !steam
3271 [18:34:21] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and
management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged
in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable
<multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with
upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net.
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3279 [18:39:27] <jhutchins> Well, that was certainly a sparkling
conversation.
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3282 [18:40:23] <Goddesspapa> You are a sparkling
conversationalist.
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3286 [18:41:43] <jhutchins> Goddesspapa: I think we can say that
it's been established that multiarch is, and has always been a
pain in the ass.
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3288 [18:43:08] <unborn> jhutchins: would be better to kill spam
right a way ;)
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3290 [18:44:03] <xormor> does it matter if I use the normal BIOS
startup or UEFI when I want to boot up Debian?
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3293 [18:44:32] <greycat> You mean the installer? Yes, it matters.
3294 [18:44:36] <jhutchins> xormor: Matter in what way?
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3296 [18:45:08] <xormor> jhutchins, it seems that on this computer
I am typing on now there is /dev/sda1 for UEFI and some bootup
system management and /dev/sda2 is the "root partition".
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3299 [18:45:26] <greycat> If the computer is already set up to
boot in UEFI mode, stick with that.
3300 [18:45:42] <xormor> jhutchins, on the other hand on my laptop
there is /dev/sda1 for root and no UEFI, just BIOS because I wanted
to try it that way.
3301 [18:46:14] <xormor> greycat, this desktop computer I am on
now is set up to boot in UEFI mode already.
3302 [18:46:20] <greycat> If the computer is already set up to
boot in BIOS mode, stick with that. Don't let the installer
boot in UEFI mode on a machine where the hard drive is set up for
BIOS.
3303 [18:46:31] <greycat> Been there done that.
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3307 [18:47:38] <xormor> greycat, thanks.
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3339 [19:00:54] <kingkong-> i want to install http 2.7.5
textutil::split and htmlparse 1.2 but couldnt see on apt-cache. im
on wheezy. how to install these?
3340 [19:01:49] <greycat> What htmlparse package is that?
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3343 [19:02:22] <greycat> And I can't find any package with
both textutil and split in the name....
3344 [19:03:28] <greycat> These sound like package names for some
programming language. The question is, *which* language?
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3347 [19:04:12] <kingkong-> its tcl script requires these.
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3348 [19:04:42] <kingkong-> i found tdom but not others
3349 [19:04:54] <greycat> ,v tcllib
3350 [19:04:55] <judd> Package: tcllib on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.14-dfsg-3+deb7u1; jessie: 1.16-dfsg-2; stretch: 1.18-dfsg-3; sid:
1.18-dfsg-3
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3355 [19:05:30] <greycat> There's an htmlparse in tcllib, and
wheezy's version of tcllib is 1.14. Don't know which
version of htmlparse specifically is in there.
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3357 [19:06:07] <kingkong-> i think i have tcllib already
3358 [19:06:34] <greycat> Inside tclsh, what does "package
require htmlparse" give you?
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3363 [19:08:21] <kingkong-> 1.2
3364 [19:08:35] <greycat> OK, that's settled. Now the
others....
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3368 [19:09:18] <greycat> Also inside tclsh, try "package
require textutil" and "package require http". Are
those version numbers OK too?
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3371 [19:09:40] <Taslehoof> hola
3372 [19:09:42] <Taslehoof> hi
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3374 [19:11:19] <kingkong-> greycat: textutil 0.7.1 and http 2.7.7
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3376 [19:11:54] <greycat> OK, sounds like you have what you need.
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3381 [19:14:14] <kingkong-> but script gives this error
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3385 [19:15:42] <greycat> Wheezy has tcl 8.5, not tcl 8.6. Tcl 8.5
doesn't have the "try" command.
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3388 [19:16:29] <greycat> You either need to install tcl 8.6, or
redo the script to use only Tcl 8.5 features.
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3393 [19:16:56] <greycat> (Or upgrade to stable.)
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3398 [19:17:20] <matu_> Hi, is Nginx easier to configure than
Apache2 ? (for postgres+php development)
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3401 [19:17:41] <matu_> i dislike the configurations files of
apache
3402 [19:17:43] <greycat> Some people believe it is. It's
mostly a matter of which one you're used to.
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3408 [19:18:24] <nkuttler> for php nothing beats mod php
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3410 [19:18:41] <greycat> nginx + php-fpm is just fine for what
little I do
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3412 [19:18:50] <nkuttler> doesn't get simpler than that.
that being said, i still run nginx in front of all apaches..
3413 [19:19:05] <matu_> ok
3414 [19:19:25] <matu_> my apache webserver does not execute the
php file and the configuration file is a mess
3415 [19:19:36] <matu_> unix services are used to be easier to
manage
3416 [19:19:54] <nkuttler> matu_: on debian all you should have to
do is to install libapache2-mod-php5
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3418 [19:20:34] <matu_> ok, the php files were not executed by the
apache server, it was a mess, i will give it a try later
3419 [19:20:35] <matu_> thank you
3420 [19:20:38] <jelly> matu_: ease of apache config did not
change during the last 18 years or so it existed
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3422 [19:21:10] <matu_> ok
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3424 [19:21:53] <greycat> apache 2.4 did change the configuration
a bit, which adds difficulty because now you have to contradictory
sets of instructions. Three contradictory sets if you include the
1.x docs.
3425 [19:22:00] <greycat> two*
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3429 [19:22:36] <greycat> Double the number of conflicting sets of
documentation when you factor in the Debian changes to 1.3, 2.[0-2]
and 2.4
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3431 [19:22:47] <jelly> or it eases up because Allow/Deny/Order is
thankfully gone
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3433 [19:23:05] <jelly> ymmv
3434 [19:23:17] <greycat> If you were starting from ground zero
with apache 2.4 and somehow managed to stumble across documentation
that did not use anything OLDER, then sure, it might be simpler.
3435 [19:23:28] <greycat> If you're upgrading from wheezy,
forget it.
3436 [19:23:44] <greycat> Nightmare on debian street.
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3439 [19:24:11] <jelly> if one thinks any change, anywhere, is an
increase in difficulty, one perhaps should not work in IT
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3443 [19:25:50] <unborn> jelly: yeah IT is bad thing to do :)
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3445 [19:26:32] <kingkong-> greycat: i dont see tcl 8.6 on cache
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3459 [19:29:22] <greycat> I said wheezy doesn't have it.
You'll have to install it by compiling upstream source code (replaced-url
3460 [19:29:22] <greycat> If you can upgrade to jessie, that may
be a better long-term choice.
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3468 [19:32:11] <kingkong-> i cant upgrade my vps :(
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3470 [19:32:23] <Taslehoof> anyone can tell me the channel to
debian Argentina?
3471 [19:32:56] <greycat> Sounds like you're building tcl 8.6
source code then. I'm not sure how to make that see the Debian
packages like tcllib though. You might need to experiment or ask
#tcl.
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3473 [19:33:22] <kingkong-> Taslehoof maybe /list *debian* or
/alis ?
3474 [19:33:23] <greycat> (On my systems, I don't even
attempt to use the Debian tcl packages....)
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3476 [19:34:03] <kingkong-> greycat: ok i will try #tcl as first
3477 [19:34:13] <kingkong-> why dont you attempt?
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3480 [19:34:54] <greycat> kingkong-: I build Tcl, then build the
packages to install within that version of Tcl.
3481 [19:35:21] <greycat> Installing upstream tcllib isn't
terribly hard once you've installed an upstream Tcl.
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3489 [19:37:04] <Taslehoof> thanks kingkong
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3495 [19:38:39] <kingkong-> i think i didnt try it before
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3511 [19:44:39] <habs> jhutchins: somiaj: I was able to
successfully install mipsel stable in my chroot, but I got this
error after editing my /etc/apt/sources.list to stretch and doing an
apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade:
replaced-url
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3515 [19:45:56] <somiaj> habs: could be a bug in the package. You
can fix the locale warnings with 'apt-get install locales'
and then dpkg-reconfigure locales
3516 [19:46:46] <somiaj> habs: umm did you start with a wheezy
chroot, you need to upgrade to jessie beofre upgrading to stretch
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3521 [19:48:10] <greycat> He said he "install[ed] mipsel
stable", whatever that means.
3522 [19:48:35] <greycat> In any case, stretch upgrade questions
belong in #debian-next on OFTC.
3523 [19:49:22] <habs> somiaj: Ah sorry I'm an idiot, forgot
to change the initial debootsrap command from wheezy to jessie.
Retrying now, and greycat: noted, I'll move to that channel
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3554 [20:04:57] <hanshenrik> som1 should give the eclipse
maintainer a kickstart, the eclipse provided, both in testing and
unstable, is ancient
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3558 [20:06:00] <greycat> Someone should file a wishlist bug
report, then. And learn to spell "someone".
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3567 [20:10:23] <rocket__> hi im using libre office
3568 [20:10:31] <rocket__> libre calc
3569 [20:10:35] <rocket__> is there something better
3570 [20:10:37] <rocket__> it sucks so much
3571 [20:10:39] <cruncher> no
3572 [20:10:40] <rocket__> >D
3573 [20:10:43] <rocket__> ok
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3575 [20:10:49] <rocket__> crashed and stuff
3576 [20:10:52] <rocket__> and its so slow
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3580 [20:11:06] <rocket__> i think its better to write some code
3581 [20:11:15] <rocket__> before this program makes me crayz
3582 [20:11:17] <cruncher> mine is fast as lightning
3583 [20:11:21] <rocket__> crazy
3584 [20:11:36] <rocket__> i have a big table
3585 [20:11:36] <rocket__> more tables
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3587 [20:11:53] <cruncher> when i use libroffice, i run a cpu
stresstest to 90% cpu usage so it behaves like a "normal"
office should behave
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3589 [20:12:18] <cruncher> otherwise its too fast
3590 [20:12:22] <cruncher> :P
3591 [20:12:24] <rocket__> not that big tho
3592 [20:12:24] <rocket__> i have a prettz fast computer tho
3593 [20:12:24] <rocket__> its only the calc
3594 [20:12:24] <rocket__> writer is fine
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3597 [20:12:26] *** rocket__ was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use
replaced-url
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3603 [20:13:50] <greycat> rocket__: Please write at least one full
sentence per line.
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3605 [20:14:05] <rocket__> sure
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3611 [20:14:40] <cruncher> rocket__, but depending on the calc
file or if you have even macros, it might be slow
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3613 [20:14:49] <cruncher> *content of the
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3616 [20:15:15] <rocket__> im using lot of functions, not that bad
but
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3619 [20:15:38] <rocket__> thank dude
3620 [20:15:38] <cruncher> rocket__, just as a comparison, did you
try on a friends comouter with ms office to see if its libreoffice
or your file?
3621 [20:15:47] <rocket__> yes
3622 [20:15:48] <cruncher> i doubt its (much) faster
3623 [20:15:56] <rocket__> no its not
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3625 [20:16:09] <rocket__> i have a couple of computers here and
that one is the fastest of all
3626 [20:16:36] <cruncher> then i guess its all fine, no problem
then to solve :)
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3628 [20:17:34] <rocket__> no its not
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3636 [20:18:04] <greycat> If your question is with the coding of
libreoffice itself, you might try #libreoffice
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3646 [20:18:45] <rocket__> greycat, my question was rather if
there is something better. dont think ppl will anser that there...
but its ok i ve got my answer so far.
3647 [20:18:45] <jamesl> how do I get rid of VNC's "too
many authentication failures" error when trying to connect
without restarting the server? I don't want to close all X11
applications
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3649 [20:18:59] <jamesl> is there something I can do to reset the
counter?
3650 [20:20:10] <xff1> hi. Please is there way to see if webserver
(nginx) will be restarted during upgrade? (nginx/jessie
1.10.2-1~dotdeb+8.1 all [upgradable from: 1.10.1-1~dotdeb+8.2]) all
packages:
replaced-url
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3656 [20:20:29] <th0r> jamesl, not sure if it will work, but have
you tried resetting the server? 'sudo systemctl restart
tightvncserver'
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3658 [20:20:35] <greycat> dotdeb ... whyyyyy ...
3659 [20:20:55] <jamesl> th0r, and that won't kill all
running applications in X?
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3661 [20:21:27] <xff1> greycat: there wasn't better
alternative
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3663 [20:21:43] <th0r> jamesl, are you talking about things
running in X, or things running on the vnc desktop? It will kill
whatever is on the vnc desktop. Also...are you running x11vnc on
desktop 0?
3664 [20:22:04] <jamesl> things runing on the VNC desktop.
specifically, Hexchat
3665 [20:22:19] <GreenMartian> Switched from NM to Wicd in Jessie.
Systemd loads Wicd after Pidgin. How to I get Wicd to load earlier?
3666 [20:22:19] <jamesl> I'm running Xtightvnc on desktop 0
3667 [20:22:31] <greycat> Well, it seems pretty clear that if you
upgrade nginx from version v1 to version v2, it will be stopped and
restarted. Right? What's the question exactly?
3668 [20:22:36] <th0r> jamesl, yes...if it is running on the vnc
desktop it will get killed when vnc is restarted
3669 [20:22:41] <jamesl> oh well
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3671 [20:23:55] <cruncher> jamesl, you simplay have to wait, or
restart vbnc server as already sugegsted
3672 [20:24:21] <cruncher> assuming you are entering the correct
password
3673 [20:24:21] <xff1> I want to be sure nginx will be restarted.
I know that some apps have ability to do upgrade without restart.
3674 [20:24:34] <th0r> jamesl, I am running x11vnc on this
desktop. Just stopped it and it did not kill hexchat
3675 [20:25:15] <xff1> greycat: how you know? I don't need to
know from knowledge, I need to read it somewhere in apt doc or
something like that.
3676 [20:25:24] <greycat> Check the process's uptime after
the upgrade and if it's not short enough, restart it yourself.
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3678 [20:27:05] <rocket__> general question about repos, im rather
new to linux. is it secure to install software from the offical
repos? i guess those are tested for malicious behavior
3679 [20:27:38] <xff1> why I want to know: if nginx won't
restart, then it doesn't care when upgrad will be done
3680 [20:27:50] <greycat> Packages are cryptographically signed,
and the key to verify the signatures is part of your initial
installation.
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3697 [20:33:14] <Walex> rocket__: the answer obviously is
"NO": no security audit of software is done systematically
in most distributions
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3704 [20:34:12] <Walex> rocket__: most likely a large fraction of
*any* software packages (commercial or free software) contains a
significant number of deliberate or accidental security issues.
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3706 [20:35:16] <greycat> You seriously assert that a "large
fraction" of packages have DELIBERATE security flaws?
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3708 [20:35:27] <greycat> I can't accept that without some
evidence.
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3712 [20:35:56] <rocket__> Walex, who is testing those packages
for malicious behavior and or leaks?
3713 [20:36:04] <greycat> !security
3714 [20:36:04] <dpkg> Put "deb
replaced-url
3715 [20:36:19] <greycat> !dsa
3716 [20:36:19] <dpkg> [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see
replaced-url
3717 [20:36:25] <rocket__> Walex, ok so no one ist testing it. i
see
3718 [20:36:46] <greycat> Yes, listen to the tinfoil hat guy
instead of the bot. Good plan.
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3725 [20:38:44] <cruncher> :D
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3728 [20:38:45] <TomTomTosch> there is also a debian security
audit project that works with the security team.
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3744 [20:44:35] <cruncher> rocket__, "Walex, ok so no one ist
testing it. i see"... he just said "not
systematically"
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3746 [20:45:28] <cruncher> greycat's link will be very
helpful
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3749 [20:46:24] <azarus> Hey guys, i'm running a webserver
with apache2, and i've set up this redirect "Redirect /
replaced-url
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3751 [20:46:51] <preaction> so Redirect /
replaced-url
3752 [20:47:02] <azarus> preaction, yes.
3753 [20:47:19] <greycat> note the trailing slash in
preaction's version
3754 [20:47:21] <preaction> so what's the question?
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3757 [20:47:37] <azarus> Ah, i need a slash after it?
3758 [20:47:40] <azarus> I'll try that
3759 [20:47:55] <preaction> i mean, if there's a missing
slash after the ".com" in the result, that'd be my
guess
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3764 [20:48:42] <azarus> ... And you're right, preaction.
Missing slash after ".com". Thanks preaction and greycat
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3769 [20:52:44] <blazeme8> hi, I'm reading the new Debian New
Maintainers' Guide - it seems like a project's use of some
sort of 'make' system is more or less required?
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3772 [20:52:58] <blazeme8> Is there a recommendation for projects
that use custom scripts?
3773 [20:53:06] <greycat> "write a Makefile"
3774 [20:53:29] <blazeme8> That's what I wanted to hear.
Thanks!
3775 [20:53:31] <greycat> (But an actual Debian developer should
answer this... I'm just a user.)
3776 [20:53:50] <blazeme8> ah okay
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3780 [20:54:18] <blazeme8> I'm totally onboard with switching
to a standard makefile. but interested in other ideas.
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3783 [20:54:33] <stew> blazeme8: debian/rules MUST be a makefile
by policy 4.9
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3785 [20:54:52] <stew> blazeme8:
replaced-url
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3788 [20:55:25] <blazeme8> stew: excellent, good to know. thanks!
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3792 [20:56:58] <hanshenrik> ive been using ubuntu for my linux
desktop because ive been too lazy to try to configure the xfce4 on
debian to be pretty (the default layout looks like something from
the 1990's x.x)
3793 [20:57:02] <hanshenrik> now ive taken some time to customize
my debian-xfce4, and it fits me much better than xubuntu theme ever
did :D
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3810 [21:00:37] <somiaj> blazeme8: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
is a good place for questions about making packages for the debian
archive. You can also use debian helper when making a package to
copy scripts over (in absent of a make system that does it --
I'm unsure what packages that just provide scripts do, maybe
check one out, one that pops to mind is the script for the
flashplugins
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3815 [21:03:15] <blazeme8> somiaj: ahhh, it's on oftc, I must
have misread, I tried the same channel on freenode earlier. thanks!
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3818 [21:04:04] <sm00th> what kind of channel sit hat?
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3820 [21:04:40] <somiaj> sm00th: check out mentors.debian.net, it
is for people trying to get their packages into debian.
3821 [21:04:49] <sm00th> ahh
3822 [21:05:10] <somiaj> there is also #packaging on oftc for
general packaging questions if you just want to package (not worried
about making it the quality needed for debian archives)
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3926 [21:47:54] <jhutchins> hanshenrik: About the only problem I
have is that on one installation the clock launches the calendear,
on another it doesn't.
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3928 [21:48:18] <jhutchins> hanshenrik: I do have a problem with
the GL Slideshow screensaver, but I don't think that's
xfce's fault.
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3931 [21:48:44] <modifier> hey
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3934 [21:49:39] <mrrhq> Good afternoon.
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3937 [21:50:37] <jhutchins> preaction: I think the rule is if the
source ends in a slash the target should too.
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3940 [21:50:52] <jhutchins> preaction: Then again, maybe always
end with slash.
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3943 [21:51:11] <greycat> In this case, the source began with,
ended with, and was a slash.
3944 [21:51:14] <preaction> i'm not the one who had a
problem. but the canonical source would be #httpd
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3954 [21:56:20] <OnceMe> hello
3955 [21:56:35] <OnceMe> my kernel release and version differs,
how can I check if im vuln to dirtycow?
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3957 [21:56:51] <OnceMe> should I check for release or version of
kernel to see if I'm vuln to it?
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3959 [21:57:07] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: I assume that's a distro
kernel. Check the distro's changelog
3960 [21:57:25] <ryouma> i'm wanting to find the date dirty
cow was made public and the date debian stable was patched. also,
which backport kernel version was the first to be patched.
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3962 [21:57:41] <OnceMe> hexnewbie: where to check for that?
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3964 [21:58:04] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: It depends on the distro. Mine
has it in /usr/share/doc/linux-image.....
3965 [21:58:09] <OnceMe> hexnewbie: uname -rv
3966 [21:58:09] <OnceMe> 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19)
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3968 [21:58:24] <OnceMe> thats release and version, version is
fine and not vuln as I found on net
3969 [21:58:31] <OnceMe> but Im not sure for release, does release
needs to be fixed too?
3970 [21:58:44] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: I think it might be patched,
dirty cow came around 19th, and Debian got a patched kernel rather
quickly (i.e. I first heard from Debian)
3971 [21:59:02] <OnceMe> 19th?
3972 [21:59:18] <hexnewbie> 2016-10-19
3973 [21:59:36] <OnceMe> ok but why for release I see
3.16.0-4-amd64 ?
3974 [21:59:42] <OnceMe> that release is vuln to dirtycow
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3977 [21:59:55] <hexnewbie> 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 should be the patched
version
3978 [22:00:02] <OnceMe> yesh it is
3979 [22:00:08] <OnceMe> so basically I have a patch?
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3981 [22:00:16] <OnceMe> its shown in kernel version I believe,
right?
3982 [22:00:22] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: No
3983 [22:00:59] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: But the changelog in
/usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 should tell you the patch
has been included
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3985 [22:01:30] <OnceMe> its gz
3986 [22:01:33] <OnceMe> how to read it ? :P
3987 [22:01:37] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: zless
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3991 [22:02:36] <OnceMe> I don't see it :(
3992 [22:03:10] <hexnewbie> Pastebin the log for the last version
3993 [22:03:26] <greycat> zless is standard on Debian
3994 [22:03:46] <greycat> actually "required" ...
it's in gzip.
3995 [22:04:05] <OnceMe> the log is really long, can I search in
it for a dirtycow?
3996 [22:04:15] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: It would be in the last
version released on 19th
3997 [22:04:26] <ryouma> OnceMe: grep for cve-2016-5195
3998 [22:04:36] <greycat> zgrep
3999 [22:04:39] <ryouma> it's there for me
4000 [22:05:02] <OnceMe> zgrep "cve-2016-5195"
changelog.Debian.gz
4001 [22:05:04] <OnceMe> returns nothing
4002 [22:05:09] <hanshenrik> ads
4003 [22:05:10] <ryouma> -i
4004 [22:05:11] <greycat> $ zgrep 2016-5195
/usr/share/doc/linux-image-*/changelog.Debian.gz
4005 [22:05:11] <greycat>
/usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz:
(CVE-2016-5195)
4006 [22:05:16] <ryouma> OnceMe:
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4009 [22:06:11] <ryouma> i don't suppose we can check if we
got hit by dirtycow?
4010 [22:06:14] <ryouma> assuming not
4011 [22:06:23] <greycat> It's a local exploit.
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4013 [22:06:53] <hanshenrik> jhutchins, well, i didn't like
the default theme, but with some tuning:
replaced-url
4014 [22:07:06] <OnceMe> well I can check it and I get
4015 [22:07:06] <OnceMe> (CVE-2016-5195)
4016 [22:07:20] <OnceMe> so its there, however I dont see nowhere
in patches that anyone mentions dirty cow patch,,, :(
4017 [22:07:23] <questionaire> Why should(n´t ) I upgrade to
stretch? have been running debian stable for a while now - and some
of the new software supports my work environment better. With 6
months to wait before it gets frozen, i think it might be good to
update now.
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4020 [22:07:35] <greycat> OnceMe: they mention the CVE.
That's sufficient.
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4022 [22:07:43] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: Changelogs are not fond of
sensational nicknames
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4024 [22:07:51] <OnceMe> whats CVE then?
4025 [22:07:51] <ryouma> questionaire: #debian-next can help you
4026 [22:07:54] <hexnewbie> Very conservative and unfunny those
guys are
4027 [22:07:54] <greycat> !cve
4028 [22:07:55] <dpkg> hmm... cve is Common Vulnerabilities and
Exposures, a database of publicly known information security
vulnerabilities.
replaced-url
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4031 [22:08:12] <greycat> !cve lookup CVE-2016-5195
4032 [22:08:12] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory
CVE-2016-5195 may be found at
replaced-url
4033 [22:08:15] <OnceMe> CVE-2016-5195
4034 [22:08:19] <OnceMe> !CVE-2016-5195
4035 [22:08:22] <questionaire> <ryouma> why do you chose to
stay with stable ( assuming desktop ) ?
4036 [22:08:26] <OnceMe> ah ok
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4040 [22:09:18] <ryouma> questionaire: conservative :) also
don't want to spend my time fixing issues. i feel a duty as a
user to report bugs to improve the distro and that is what you are
supposed to do in testing. but that takes effort.
4041 [22:09:31] <jhutchins> questionaire: I choose stable because
daily usability is more important to me than new features. The
computer is a tool to do other work, not an end in itself.
4042 [22:09:34] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: The short story is that Debian
(and backports) seemed to be patched before or around it made the
news. (Unless you used a signed backports kernel)
4043 [22:09:35] <OnceMe> so how do I know if I use patch?
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4047 [22:09:54] <OnceMe> and why kernel version and release
differ?
4048 [22:10:04] <greycat> OnceMe: Ultimately? You compile the
exploit and run it locally and see if it works.
4049 [22:10:06] <jhutchins> questionaire: The end of the freeze
can be the most broken period. It's often when they tackle the
really big release blocker problems, like the intel video problem a
couple years ago.
4050 [22:10:18] <greycat> OnceMe: if you're not willing/able
to do that, you just trust what the changelog.Debian.gz file says.
4051 [22:10:19] <questionaire> <jhutchins> I understand but
sometimes other versions from upstreamcontain fixes that are not in
the stable so one is stuck with a borked sofware version
4052 [22:10:39] <jhutchins> questionaire: If I were more
interested in messing with testing and finding bugs, I'd do a
dual-boot so I could always fall back if I needed the tool.
4053 [22:11:16] <jhutchins> questionaire: If there are actually
break-fixes they should get updates. If there are significant new
features they often get backported.
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4057 [22:12:36] <OnceMe> and why kernel version and release
differ?
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4059 [22:12:52] <greycat> I don't understand what you're
asking.
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4063 [22:13:58] <hexnewbie> OnceMe: Because Debian compiles the
kernel that way
4064 [22:14:06] <greycat> Are you asking why "3.16.0-4"
does not match "3.16.36-1+deb8u2"?
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4068 [22:14:35] <OnceMe> greycat: yes
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4074 [22:15:18] <greycat> 3.16.0-4 indicates the feature set.
It's used by all of the kernel modules and everything. When the
security team releases an update, they make sure the kernel
interface has not changed, so it will continue working with your
custom compiled nvidia driver modules and so on.
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4078 [22:16:50] <OnceMe> so im using patched version?
4079 [22:17:32] <greycat> I certainly hope so.
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4090 [22:22:36] <OnceMe> greycat: how to ensure that?
4091 [22:22:45] <OnceMe> Ive read docs and it says I have that
patch
4092 [22:22:55] <greycat> uname -a
4093 [22:22:59] <OnceMe> but how to ensure I really do use the
patch
4094 [22:23:15] <greycat> 16:10 greycat> OnceMe: Ultimately?
You compile the exploit and run it locally and see if it works.
4095 [22:23:43] <OnceMe> Linux myserv 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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4097 [22:23:47] <dewrf4543frew> hi
4098 [22:23:51] <OnceMe> greycat: I dont want to screw my system
4099 [22:23:57] <dewrf4543frew> me too
4100 [22:24:02] <greycat> The 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 means you are
running a very new Debian stable kernel.
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4102 [22:24:40] <greycat> From
/usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz we see
that version 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 is the one which includes the fix for
CVE-2016-5195
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4104 [22:24:48] <OnceMe> yeah ok
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4109 [22:26:34] <mrrhq> I wonder what the "deb8u2" is
referring to.
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4112 [22:27:11] <greycat> Usually it means this is a security
release, rather than a release by the package's regular
maintainer(s).
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4119 [22:28:57] <mrrhq> I guess if you do apt-get changelog
linux-image-$(uname -r) you can see any changes that happens.
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4121 [22:30:14] <greycat> that's the same as zless
/usr/share/... right?
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4123 [22:30:20] <ryouma> is 4.5+73~bpo8+1 vulnerable to dirtycow?
4124 [22:30:33] <greycat> Don't know. That's an *old*
backported kernel, so probably?
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4127 [22:31:09] <mrrhq> ryouma: What version of Debian are you
using?
4128 [22:31:58] <OnceMe> mrrhq: 404 not found
replaced-url
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4130 [22:33:33] <mrrhq> OnceMe: Yeah, I did it wrong. You'll
have to do apt-get changelog linux-image-<arch>
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4135 [22:34:54] <mrrhq> Thing is I'm not sure how to print
your architecture name. Maybe dpkg-architecture.
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4137 [22:35:03] <mrrhq> I don't remember.
4138 [22:35:29] <TomTomTosch> linux-image-amd64 presumably is only
a metapackage. it's probably not the one that you want.
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4140 [22:35:30] <greycat> dpkg --print-architecture maybe, but I
think it's still wrong
4141 [22:35:31] <dpkg> wish i knew, greycat
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4144 [22:37:49] <mrrhq> apt-get changelog
linux-image-$(dpkg-architecture -q DEB_HOST_ARCH)
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4156 [22:42:02] <TomTomTosch> getting the changelog if the kernel
package doesn't work on my system either. weird.
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4158 [22:42:13] <TomTomTosch> s/if/for/
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4163 [22:43:40] <mrrhq> That is wierd.
4164 [22:43:59] <TomTomTosch> apt-get changelog
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 that is.
4165 [22:44:16] <mrrhq> It should just be linux-image-amd64
4166 [22:44:21] <mrrhq> It's a meta-package.
4167 [22:44:30] <TomTomTosch> and i don't want the
meta-package.
4168 [22:44:48] <mrrhq> I have it installed because it helps me
firuge out what my latest kernel is.
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4170 [22:44:51] <mrrhq> *figure
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4172 [22:45:18] <TomTomTosch> i'm not looking for the
changelog of the metapackage.
4173 [22:45:34] <greycat> Perhaps apt-get changelog doesn't
know how to handle security updates.
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4175 [22:45:50] <mrrhq> dpkg -l | grep -E "^linux-image"
4176 [22:45:51] <dpkg> ii | grep -E "^linux-image"
2.7-2.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
4177 [22:45:55] <greycat> Or perhaps the security.debian.org pool
doesn't include the separate changelog files.
4178 [22:46:02] <mrrhq> Lol, the bot.
4179 [22:46:11] <mrrhq> Why even name it that?
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4181 [22:47:32] <mrrhq> Yeah, Debian Security mailing list is your
best bet for looking up security updates.
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4187 [22:48:58] <TomTomTosch> well, the changelog exists.
replaced-url
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4189 [22:49:01] <hanshenrik> know any desktop .desktop generators?
something that makes it easy to make a .desktop file on the desktop?
without going to google to find
replaced-url
4190 [22:49:33] <greycat> apt-get changelog is trying to fetch
replaced-url
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4192 [22:49:44] <hanshenrik> greycat, apt-get update; apt-get
changelog
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4194 [22:50:03] <hanshenrik> usually means you haven't
updated since the versions changed
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4196 [22:50:12] <teraflops> hanshenrik: pick an existing one and
edit to your liking...
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4199 [22:51:09] <greycat> hanshenrik: no change. But I did get a
new tzdata and tzdata-java. And why the hell does tzdata-java even
exist....
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4206 [22:53:43] <jhutchins> hanshenrik: RIght click on most
desktops will give you a "new" menu where you can create
something like a "shortcut" that will effectively write
one for you.
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4210 [22:54:07] <TomTomTosch> greycat: that should forward to
replaced-url
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4230 [23:03:43] <hanshenrik> jhutchins, yeah thanks (it was called
"Create Launcher", the other 1 called Create Link
literally made a symlink )
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4246 [23:09:01] <Mahksy> heyhey, this the help channel?
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4248 [23:09:33] <edi> jes
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4250 [23:11:02] <Mahksy> wonderful! i have a problem with my
debain machine, connected it to a scsi HP surestore drive and it
apparently tries to boot from tape
4251 [23:11:23] <Mahksy> any idea how to disable devices in gruib
or something?
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4256 [23:13:43] <greycat> Choosing which device to boot from is a
function of your firmware (BIOS/UEFI), before you even get to GRUB.
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4260 [23:16:15] <edi> indeed go into bios and set boot order, or
push f7 or so (depending on the machine) to pick boot device on
boottime
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4263 [23:17:43] <Mahksy> doesnt appear there
4264 [23:17:54] <Mahksy> and if i rescan scsi devices , it freezes
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4276 [23:20:49] <edi> can you get to bios?
4277 [23:21:03] <Mahksy> yep
4278 [23:21:14] <edi> boot order ?
4279 [23:21:32] <edi> could be hidden in some submenu
4280 [23:21:38] <edi> but if it's not in bios i don't
know
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4282 [23:22:05] <edi> your debian install boots from the scsi
disk? or that's external storga?
4283 [23:22:08] <edi> storage*
4284 [23:23:00] <Mahksy> internal sata disk
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4286 [23:23:09] <Mahksy> and extrenal tape
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4307 [23:29:34] <edi> so, found the boot order option?
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4338 [23:39:17] <chachasmooth> what does the -sa flag for
dpkg-buildpackage do?
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4341 [23:40:34] <pingfloyd> chachasmooth: see man
dpkg-buildpackage
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4343 [23:41:15] <jelly> that will mostly just say to > Passed
unchanged to dpkg-genchanges. See its manual page.
4344 [23:41:17] <chachasmooth> yea thank you, already tried that
4345 [23:41:35] <chachasmooth> it doesn't say anything for
"-sa"
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4347 [23:41:52] <pingfloyd> -s represents a set of options
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4352 [23:42:53] <jelly> chachasmooth: it lists a number of options
and then a single sentence referencing dpkg-genchanges, as quoted
above
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4356 [23:43:56] <jelly> chachasmooth: the dpkg-buildpackage(1) man
page in jessie and stretch does that, which debian release do you
have?
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4358 [23:44:13] <chachasmooth> ahh now I see it. oops. I'm so
sorry
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4366 [23:47:48] <ryouma> mrrhq: regular jessie, but i installed a
backport kernel a while back to try to fix something, and it's
partly "not updated" in aptitude (which i think means i
should have dist-upgraded or something if i really wanted the
backport kernel). i am running stable kernel now but for a while i
ran the slightly older 4.5+73~bpo8+1 so wonder if it was vulnerable
to dirtycow
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4387 [23:54:33] <pingfloyd> ryouma: if packages are being kept
back, then yeah, you want to run dist-upgrade
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4390 [23:55:51] <ryouma> pingfloyd: i figured, however, that doing
dist-upgrade would get me non-stable versions of various packages i
do not understand that are required by kernels, and i didn't
want to take the risk
4391 [23:55:59] <pingfloyd> no
4392 [23:56:00] <ryouma> thanks for the confirmation
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4394 [23:56:09] <pingfloyd> it will stay with stable, unless you
change your sources.list
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4396 [23:56:19] <pranith__> can someone share a link to LWN's
article: 'Debian's "global" package visits the
Technical Committee'
4397 [23:56:29] <pingfloyd> it's always going to draw from
whatever is in there or under sources.list.d/
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4399 [23:56:53] <ryouma> pingfloyd: aptitude says "The
following packages have unmet dependencies:
linux-image-4.7.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 : Depends: linux-base (>= 4.3~)
but 3.5 is installed."
4400 [23:57:03] <ryouma> pingfloyd: when i do dist-upgrade
4401 [23:57:22] <pingfloyd> is the met dependency in backports?
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4403 [23:57:48] <pingfloyd> try installing the linux-base in
backports for that
4404 [23:58:09] <pingfloyd> by default, you have to be rather
explicit to pull from backports
4405 [23:58:12] <ryouma> pingfloyd: and that's not unsafe?
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4407 [23:58:32] <pingfloyd> that's like asking how safe
backports is
4408 [23:58:40] <ryouma> i fear i might have made myself
vulnerable to dirtycow by being safe here :/
4409 [23:58:41] <pingfloyd> but it's a necessity in your case
4410 [23:58:48] <pingfloyd> if you want to keep that linux-image
4411 [23:58:53] <pingfloyd> that version of it
4412 [23:58:53] <ryouma> (for a short while)
4413 [23:59:13] <ryouma> maybe i will purge it, as it seems i can
run the regular kernel
4414 [23:59:23] <ryouma> (running it now)
4415 [23:59:29] <pingfloyd> I can't remember, as I use
apt-get, but there is likely an preference to change that behavior
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