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• 4[00:03:00] <HelloShitty> Hello peeps. I have a debug file that is increasing in size very rapidly. IS there a way (I know there is, I just don't remember) of splitting this file deppending on it's size and when there are, let's say, 5 of these files, it deletes the oler ones?
• 5[00:03:24] <sney> the principle you're looking for is called log rotation
• 6[00:03:44] <HelloShitty> I mean, let's say I want files no greater in size than 100Mb, and when I have 5 of these files, I start deleting the older ones
• 7[00:03:45] <sney> but if you have a log that's filling up so rapidly that it's a problem, you should probably address the underlying cause too
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• 9[00:03:49] <HelloShitty> ahh ok, that was it I guess
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• 11[00:04:32] <HelloShitty> sney: I set it to log every action of a program which is very verbose... So it logs everything. Not only info, warning or errors
• 12[00:04:51] <HelloShitty> so, that's why it gets quite big in a matter of a few days...
• 13[00:05:07] <HelloShitty> but it's log rotate what I was looking for
• 14[00:05:08] <HelloShitty> thatnks
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• 16[00:05:12] <sney> np
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• 24[00:18:55] <HelloShitty> sney: tell me something. I have already created the log rotate file I want in /etc/logrotate.d/. Or better, I had this file already created and it was working in the past. But I don't know why, it's not working anymore. Maybe due to some upgrade I did to my OS or reboot, I have no idea. So, do I have to start/restart any service to make it work again?
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• 26[00:20:05] <sney> I'm not super familiar with logrotate for daemons that don't already do it out of the box. you'd have better results reading the manual
• 27[00:21:28] <HelloShitty> I am, but so far I haven't read anything about starting/restarting the service or even if it's needed to be restarted
• 28[00:21:48] <HelloShitty> I tried to check with `ps aux | grep logrotate`but got nothing
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• 30[00:24:18] <nevivurn> HelloShitty: logrotate is scheduled by something else (cron, systemd timers, etc.) and usually doesn't show up in process lists.
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• 33[00:26:00] <HelloShitty> ok, nevivurn ... But is it ok to add logrotate to cron even if the cron frequency is different from the one set by logrotate config files?
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• 35[00:26:47] <HelloShitty> For instance, how it behaves if logrotate config files says to perform some action hourly and I set logrotate in cron to run daily (once a day)?
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• 37[00:28:03] <nevivurn> The highest resolution logrotate can work at is at whatever you schedule it to be. At every execution, it will determine whether to rotate your files by looking at your configuration and the state file (that tells it when it last rotated).
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• 39[00:28:48] <nevivurn> If you want it to rotate more often, configure your system to run logrotate more often. If configured correctly, it should not affect other configuration that rotates less frequently.
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• 41[00:30:08] <HelloShitty> ok, I'll read the rest of the manual to see if I understand it
• 42[00:30:35] <HelloShitty> Your eplanation seems quite clear but I'm not english and I have some doubts.
• 43[00:30:58] <HelloShitty> For instance, I'm not sure if state files are the same as the logrotate config files in /etc/logrotate./
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• 45[00:32:05] <HelloShitty> Because, so far I have only messed with /etc/logrotate.d/ files. Now I'm confused as is the files in this logrotate.d folder are config files or state files
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• 50[00:33:33] <nevivurn> The state files are stored in /var/lib/logrotate. The logrotate logic (every time it's executed) is something like: 1. Read the configuration (/etc/logrotate...); 2. For every log configured, check if the state file says it's been longer than the value in the configuration. 3. If yes, rotate and update the state file.
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• 52[00:34:37] <nevivurn> So if your logrotate runs daily, but configuration says hourly, it will rotate daily. If run hourly, and configuration also says hourly, it will rotate hourly.
• 53[00:35:35] <HelloShitty> So, the first scenario is not good, if I want to rotate the files hourly, right?
• 54[00:35:49] <nevivurn> Yup.
• 55[00:36:01] <HelloShitty> Meaning that I need to set the cron job to as fast as the fastest rotation needed in the config files
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• 57[00:36:18] <nevivurn> Yup, exactly correct.
• 58[00:36:48] <HelloShitty> However, I think I can make a workaround, and use file sizes and the condition to rotate, I guess
• 59[00:37:27] <HelloShitty> So, if a file reaches that size, whenever cron job starts, it will (or won't) rotate the file, depending on its size
• 60[00:37:33] <HelloShitty> I guess
• 61[00:37:42] <nevivurn> Yup yup, you got it.
• 62[00:37:57] <HelloShitty> thanks once more
• 63[00:38:16] <nevivurn> I just looked at it, and debian (by default) schedules logrotate with systemd timers, so take that into account.
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• 68[00:42:38] <HelloShitty> yeah, I just saw cron.daily an etc
• 69[00:43:04] <HelloShitty> I'm not sure if I set a cron job for logrotate using crontab -e, if I'm not going to mess things up
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• 96[01:10:09] <mamonetti> hi
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• 99[01:12:20] <mamonetti> anybody knows whether there's any configuration that makes an app not work properly when it has more than one connection open with dbus in different threads?
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• 101[01:13:17] <mamonetti> i was thinking about something related to some security option, or something like that, cause i've tried an app i've developed which works fine in other distros and that's the only reason i can think of
• 102[01:15:55] <mamonetti> one of the connections gets randomly frozen if the other is up, although they're completely independent (in theory)
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• 134[02:02:00] <n4dir> hi. if i start qjackctl in openbox or fluxbox it freezes the session and i have to pkill it from tty. No problems, qjackctl starts fine. The error i get after pkill'ing it is:
• 135[02:02:05] <n4dir> Warning: no translation found for 'en_US' locale: /usr/share/qt5/translations/qt_en_US.qm
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• 138[02:02:26] <n4dir> indeed that file doesn't exist and if i use "find" for / it can't find it either
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• 143[02:04:55] <jmcnaught> n4dir: I don't have that file either, and apt-file can't find it. But I have qjackctl installed and it starts okay (in GNOME/Wayland).
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• 145[02:05:33] <n4dir> thanks. I probably screwed this installation, would have reinstalled, but i wonder why xfce4 has no problems
• 146[02:05:59] <n4dir> i also did "mv .fluxbox fluxbox_backup". and other things. it's weird
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• 149[02:07:05] <jmcnaught> When you say it "freezes the session" you mean X11 is locked up? Killing qjackctl unfreezes everything, or do you have to restart a session?
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• 151[02:07:48] <n4dir> yes, i mean i can't do anything in the gui anymore. no command prompt, no alt+tab to switch windows, no right click to open root-menu and exit session
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• 153[02:08:08] <n4dir> i do alt+F2; then "pkill qjackctl", then everything works again.
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• 155[02:08:29] <n4dir> clear enough? i am already tired.
• 156[02:08:43] <jmcnaught> n4dir: thanks for clarifying. That is pretty strange.
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• 159[02:09:19] <n4dir> i got no idea what i did to this installation. it wasn't used for quite a while. Working fine in xfce makes me hesitate to reinstall
• 160[02:10:04] <n4dir> well: and the data i have to copy around. Let me start doing that ....
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• 167[02:19:21] <n4dir> the same happens when starting qsynth, same error message.
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• 172[02:22:56] <HyP3r> Hello, I actually use debian 10 with a linux-image buster-backports: replaced-url
• 173[02:23:16] <HyP3r> And with that constellation the aufs-dkms doesn't build: replaced-url
• 174[02:23:47] <HyP3r> The reason is simple. The dkms.conf has this line: BUILD_EXCLUSIVE_KERNEL="^4.19.*"
• 175[02:23:54] <HyP3r> Is this solveable?
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• 178[02:25:42] <dvs> HyP3r, personally, I'd just change that line and see if it works.
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• 180[02:26:39] <dvs> or see if there is a aufs-dkms package in backports as well
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• 182[02:28:17] <HyP3r> 1) if I remove that line the build fails, a lot of structs in the linux kernel has changed 2) there is no backport :(
• 183[02:29:01] <dvs> HyP3r, I wouldn't remove the line. I'd change it to "^5.5.*"
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• 185[02:29:37] <dvs> oh the structs have changed. I guess you have to wait for a new aufs-dkms
• 186[02:30:01] <HyP3r> e.g. error: too few arguments to function ‘vfs_clone_file_range’
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• 188[02:31:08] <HyP3r> I still wonder why the linux-enviroment doesn't search for ways to solve that "functions in the kernel change their signature problem". The WinSXS subsystem solved that in the winodws 2000/xp era
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• 194[02:37:47] <phogg> HyP3r: the kernel userspace interface is pretty stable, the internal interface is unstable on purpose
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• 214[03:15:29] <annadane> what do i need for a basic wine install, again? dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update && apt install wine?
• 215[03:16:01] <quadrathoch2> annadane yes
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• 232[03:30:57] <clincks> Hi, is it the right place to ask question about proxmox and network config ?
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• 239[03:34:18] <annadane> !proxmox
• 240[03:34:18] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 241[03:34:23] <annadane> clincks, ^
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• 243[03:35:23] <clincks> I think it is more a network "general" problem than something related to proxmox
• 244[03:35:49] <annadane> there's also networking or linux
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• 246[03:36:44] <n4dir> i did a couple of more tests. starting qjacktcl makes the gui freeze for quite a few window-managers, openbox/fluxbox/icewm/fvwm, i get the same error message about missing qt-locales in xfce and enlightenment, but qjackctl starts fine and nothing freezes. The same is valid for qsynth. midori complains about it, but doesn't freeze the screen. Any ideas?
• 247[03:37:20] <clincks> thanks
• 248[03:38:40] <n4dir> nothing in .xsession-errors or Xorg.0.log
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• 255[03:44:39] <velix> Is there a tool, which lists CVEs for my installed packages?
• 256[03:47:15] <coruja> ,i debsecan
• 257[03:47:16] <judd> Package debsecan (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Debian Security Analyzer. Version: 0.4.19; Size: 34.1k; Installed: 111k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 258[03:47:22] <velix> coruja: thx
• 259[03:47:35] <coruja> yw
• 260[03:47:46] <velix> This should be default :D
• 261[03:48:10] <coruja> feel free to file a wishlist bug ;)
• 262[03:48:22] <velix> oh god ... 677 entries :D
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• 264[03:51:04] <annadane> but a minimal debian is sexy!
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• 266[03:52:08] <coruja> dpkg -l | wc -l -> 915 ;)
• 267[03:52:08] <dpkg> ii | wc -l -> 915 ;) 1.6-11.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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• 294[04:22:57] <DeaDSouL> Hello, I forgot my gpg passphrase. can I revoke it?
• 295[04:23:25] <phogg> I suggest you remember it.
• 296[04:23:41] <DeaDSouL> I tried... no luck
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• 298[04:24:09] <annadane> without knowing much about gpg you're probably SOL
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• 300[04:24:51] <annadane> i found replaced-url
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• 302[04:26:20] <phogg> one of the verses to "favorite net things" ends "finally remembering my PGP key" for a reason. You really don't want to forget it.
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• 304[04:26:40] <DeaDSouL> annadane: I'm already tring johnTheRipper almost 16 hours ago, 0g 0:15:43:23 3/3 0g/s 157729p/s 157729c/s 157729C/s bsbm58lj..bsbm5316
• 305[04:26:55] <phogg> 16 hours is not much. How long was your phrase?
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• 307[04:27:05] <DeaDSouL> phogg: 4096
• 308[04:27:30] <phogg> DeaDSouL: not your key, the passphrase. Or was your passphrase really 4KiB?
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• 310[04:28:06] <DeaDSouL> phogg: I can't remember
• 311[04:28:39] <phogg> well it's unlikely to be that long. In any case brute forcing can take months or even years.
• 312[04:29:11] <ectospasm> You have no idea what it could be? When's the last time you used this passphrase?
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• 314[04:29:18] <DeaDSouL> ahh.. so there is no way possible to revoke it
• 315[04:29:37] <ectospasm> It's computationally infeasible for a reason.
• 316[04:29:41] <DeaDSouL> ectospasm: 2years ago
• 317[04:29:44] <ectospasm> Maybe if you had a quantum computer.
• 318[04:30:01] <DeaDSouL> ectospasm: right :D
• 319[04:30:04] <ectospasm> DeaDSouL: It's probably lost, then.
• 320[04:30:08] <sney> you don't quite realize how secure it is until you get locked out of your own stuff
• 321[04:30:12] <dvs> DeaDSouL, you needed to create a revoke certificate when you created the key
• 322[04:30:30] <DeaDSouL> sney: lesson is learned
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• 324[04:31:06] <DeaDSouL> dvs: I think i have it, does end with .revoke ?
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• 326[04:32:54] <dvs> no,
• 327[04:33:04] <dvs> oh wait
• 328[04:33:24] <dvs> I don't think it has a definite extension
• 329[04:34:36] <sney> it's probably like any kind of .pem where it's just a text block anyway
• 330[04:35:09] <dvs> It usually has an .asc extension but it's not a definite rule
• 331[04:35:31] <DeaDSouL> let me check if I have it
• 332[04:35:32] <sney> my PGP passphrase was originally a "correct horse battery staple" style 7-word, actual phrase. but I mistyped it so often that I shortened it to a more utilitarian l33t$p34k password. it's ok, howsecureismypassword.net tells me it'll take more years than I've been alive to bruteforce the "new" one
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• 337[04:36:16] <annadane> is it c0rr3cth0rs3b4tt3ryst4pl3?
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• 340[04:37:11] <sney> that one would take 640 quintillion years, apparently. with the question mark it goes off the scale
• 341[04:37:13] <DeaDSouL> :D
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• 345[04:38:40] <annadane> you should have good security practices, for sure; but let's face it, if you're an individual your chances to get hacked go down hugely compared to a corporation
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• 348[04:39:26] <sney> also, security practices are no longer "good" if they lock you out of your own stuff.
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• 350[04:39:43] <sney> it's perfectly secure. Nobody has access anymore.
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• 355[04:43:56] <coruja> future archeologists may have means to reopen it ;)
• 356[04:44:34] <annadane> Question: Have the quantum computers managed to read Heisenberg's diaries?
• 357[04:44:40] <annadane> Answer: Nobody knows; it changes on observation
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• 361[04:46:44] <annadane> (Zuckerberg's password was "dadada", so don't feel too bad)
• 362[04:46:59] <annadane> (with that being said, stop password reusing, yes i mean you, person reading this)
• 363[04:47:06] * annadane is very guilty
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• 365[04:49:26] <sney> I only reuse when a site refuses to integrate my password manager or allow me to paste. less and less often, these days
• 366[04:50:16] <annadane> i find it funny that i have to install both keepassx and keepassxc, the former for storing passwords, the latter for password generation
• 367[04:50:22] <annadane> because keepassx in buster can't do it
• 368[04:51:03] <sney> just use date|md5sum to generate passwords
• 369[04:51:26] <ectospasm> sney: those passwords woulodn't have enough entropy.
• 370[04:51:33] <ectospasm> Theyre all [0-9a-f]
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• 373[04:52:51] <ectospasm> I like the xkcd method: replaced-url
• 374[04:53:12] <sney> I'm not entirely serious. I do use those md5 passwords from time to time but never in anything public-facing
• 375[04:53:16] <annadane> how did randall know my password?!
• 376[04:53:26] <sney> it's a better option than hunter2 or the name of your dog, anyway
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• 382[04:55:52] <ectospasm> It depends on the system, on whether it allows you to reuse the same password or not, or change a few characters.
• 383[04:56:23] <ectospasm> For my work laptop, I haven't used a different password in a long time. I just keep prefixing it with more and more spaces.
• 384[04:57:26] <ectospasm> One time I had to work with IT to unlock our CrashPlan backup. THAT wouldn't let me use the password I had set (with all the spaces in front), so I did end up having to change it.
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• 386[04:59:06] <sney> I will always have some respect for the users at the major american bank that I worked at in 2005, for figuring out that the capitalized month + the year fit within the password rules and was easy enough to memorize even when forced to change it every 30 days
• 387[04:59:19] <sney> Fine, you want a new password every month? November2005 lol
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• 390[05:01:54] <ectospasm> It's what happens when you require people to change their password too frequently.
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• 392[05:02:28] <annadane> this is the problem with media representations of hacking; yes, sometimes the hackers really are computer wizards and systems aren't safe from them and they're dangerous
• 393[05:02:40] <annadane> but basic security knowledge is something not a lot of people have
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• 396[05:03:27] <ectospasm> convenience always trumps security
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• 398[05:04:29] <ectospasm> Or, engaging in best practices is too hard for some folks.
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• 404[05:06:13] <annadane> certain linux users are happy to curl | sudo bash and these are the people who knowingly use something that isn't windows so presumably would have a better idea of things
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• 406[05:07:09] <annadane> though this all being said i've been badgering the debian website people to make image verification more clear
• 407[05:07:23] <annadane> because it's something new users should have spoon fed to them, it's a basic security check
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• 432[05:37:09] <ectospasm> not even security, how do you know your download wasn't corrupted in transit?
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• 441[05:45:56] <swickrotation> Hey gang. I'm trying to get my DVI-input monitor working on my new-ish computer. There's no signal coming from the graphics card over DVI, but hdmi seems to be working correctly. Any ideas?
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• 461[06:00:03] <somiaj> swickrotation: in xorg, start with running xrandr and see if it see's the display
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• 468[06:05:20] <swickrotation> somiaj: I'm interfacing with the machine over ssh, having trouble getting anything meaningful out of xrandr
• 469[06:06:00] <swickrotation> That is, if I ssh in with the -X flag I can use xrandr, but it only tells me about the machine I'm using to interface with the problem computer.
• 470[06:06:23] <swickrotation> without it, it returns "Can't open display"
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• 478[06:11:01] <jelly> swickrotation, that is precisely how ssh -X is supposed to work, if you want to deal with the X server running on the console of the remote machine you need to set the DISPLAY environment variable manually instead of using ssh -X
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• 480[06:11:58] <jelly> usually the first running X server uses DISPLAY=:0
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• 490[06:15:36] <swickrotation> I might be a bit on the confused side. In the remote session, echoing $DISPLAY returns a blank
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• 494[06:16:46] <wikan> hi. I need to use usb to install some pkgs because my network card died and need wifi
• 495[06:17:03] <wikan> but i cant add usb to sourceslist
• 496[06:17:08] <swickrotation> exporting display0.0 and then using xrandr returns "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyCan't open display :0.0"
• 497[06:17:35] <wikan> i did trusted=true but usb seems to be empty. I dounwloaded xfce 2GB live cd
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• 499[06:18:07] <wikan> maybe I should use different iso image?
• 500[06:18:22] <wikan> i need wpasuplicant and networkmanager
• 501[06:19:42] <wikan> please help :(
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• 506[06:23:55] <ectospasm> wikan: did you try a Devian live img?
• 507[06:24:41] <wikan> i didnt
• 508[06:24:45] <wikan> why devuan?
• 509[06:25:04] <ectospasm> Debian
• 510[06:25:06] <ectospasm> Sorry
• 511[06:25:41] <binaryhermit> wikan: also, you might be able to usb tether to your phone with it connected to Wifi
• 512[06:26:04] <binaryhermit> this works with Android phones, possibly unless your carrier blocks tethering
• 513[06:26:16] <wikan> i dont use smartphones
• 514[06:26:37] <binaryhermit> and even then, on a rooted phone you can disable your phone checking with your carrier to see if you're allowed to tether
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• 517[06:27:14] <wikan> there are 3 dvds
• 518[06:27:29] <binaryhermit> you probably only need DVD 1
• 519[06:27:44] <binaryhermit> they put the most common packages on the first one
• 520[06:27:49] <wikan> downloading :|
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• 522[06:28:27] <wikan> damn, maybe week earler I uninstalled wifi stuff
• 523[06:28:35] <wikan> suprice
• 524[06:28:54] <wikan> or Linux is broken dunno
• 525[06:29:10] <wikan> I dont have wired link device in ip l and lscpi
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• 528[06:29:57] <wikan> right after weird firefox crashes, short os freezes, and reboot
• 529[06:30:35] <wikan> before I had have to manualy setup enp device after every boot (for about 2 weeks)
• 530[06:31:05] <swickrotation> jelly: I did some digging and see that I also needed to enter in theo remote desktop's IP if I was expecting a proper return fromthe commands I logged the results for above. Having done that now, it too returns nothing on "export DISPLAY=<remote ip>:0.0"
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• 549[07:31:01] <wikan> great, as I see tplink drivers still are missing in debian
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• 557[07:44:46] <ectospasm> wikan: you probably need non-free firmware
• 558[07:46:42] <wikan> fuck i am angry
• 559[07:47:00] <wikan> missing fucking font and initramfs gives errors
• 560[07:47:03] <wikan> wtf
• 561[07:47:45] <wikan> and i wonder it my os is now broken or just error
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• 563[07:49:01] <ectospasm> wikan: do you keep /home on a separate partition?
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• 565[07:49:25] <ectospasm> It may be easier to reinstall if so.
• 566[07:49:32] <ectospasm> If initramfs is jacked
• 567[07:50:10] <jelly> wikan, if you need wifi to work you will probably need a live image with firmware
• 568[07:50:10] <wikan> impossible to reinstall
• 569[07:50:14] <jelly> !firmware live
• 570[07:50:14] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 10 "Buster" as a live OS are available at replaced-url
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• 572[07:50:43] <wikan> or maybe...
• 573[07:51:05] <jelly> ectospasm, or boot an older kernel
• 574[07:51:49] <wikan> hybrid is always wth firmware?
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• 576[07:56:38] <jelly> no
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• 578[07:56:47] <jelly> image with firmware is with firmware.
• 579[07:58:59] <jelly> (all debian bootable x86 images are "hybrid" these days, that is a reference to them being created to be bootable both as usb disk or as burned cd/dvd)
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• 581[08:01:31] <wikan> downloading standard version
• 582[08:01:43] <wikan> i guess it is text installer
• 583[08:01:54] <wikan> i hope it will work
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• 588[08:10:35] <wikan> i think i am tired. Maybe it is time to say good bye to linux, technologi, computers, etc :|
• 589[08:13:11] <wikan> don't get it. What wen wrong if pure desktop requires 130MB after boot. And onyl because I forced it. Normaly 300MB at least.
• 590[08:14:55] <wikan> the same funcionality as 20 years ago. Nothing special, nothing more - but need much more memory. 2Ghz computers work like old 200Mhz those days. All is fucked.
• 591[08:15:44] <wikan> I don't feel I use giga prefixed machine
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• 594[08:18:26] <kzimmermann> wikan: I'm running only on a pure Linux Console (no GUI), and I'm already at 300MB. No services (no apache, etc) just CLI stuff.
• 595[08:18:34] <kzimmermann> feelsbadman
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• 598[08:20:55] <wikan> really? wtf
• 599[08:21:10] <wikan> ia64, right ?
• 600[08:21:24] <kzimmermann> raspberry pi here
• 601[08:21:38] <wikan> magic for me
• 602[08:21:48] <kzimmermann> or software bloat
• 603[08:21:50] <kzimmermann> :)
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• 606[08:22:45] <wikan> i am tired. I am looking for different oses. Maybe it is possible to find something "normal" but...
• 607[08:23:09] <kzimmermann> kind of lost faith the moment I found out that 4GB of RAM was not enough anymore for a laptop because of shitty webpages and browsers rendering them
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• 610[08:23:13] <wikan> or I will try to install 20yo Linux :D
• 611[08:23:25] <kzimmermann> I guess it's "thanks, Javascript"
• 612[08:23:34] <wikan> exactly! the same problem
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• 614[08:24:04] <wikan> i discovered gopher and I feel sad
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• 616[08:24:12] <kzimmermann> I ditched most of my browsing to dillo and elinks sometimes, and most of the time it's alright
• 617[08:24:24] <kzimmermann> that's something I wanna try some time!
• 618[08:24:37] <wikan> http is a shit
• 619[08:24:49] <kzimmermann> but wikan which distros you've been through already?
• 620[08:24:53] <wikan> gopher is much better in my opinion
• 621[08:25:27] <kzimmermann> 'guess gopher would be in a similar position had several large corporations taken its back too
• 622[08:25:41] <wikan> suse, devian, puppy, gentoo, ubu but I prefer debian yet
• 623[08:26:11] <kzimmermann> no antix?
• 624[08:26:16] <wikan> I had record on opensuse - 29MB after boot, and 59 with desktop :D
• 625[08:26:30] <kzimmermann> for me it's the best of the "old computer, straight-to-ram" distros out there
• 626[08:26:39] <nevivurn> wikan: I've never actuall used gopher, only read about it in ancient documents. What makes it better than HTTP?
• 627[08:26:43] <wikan> not sure I was trying many
• 628[08:26:43] <kzimmermann> has savefiles a-la Puppy Linux, but debian based. apt and all
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• 631[08:27:13] <kzimmermann> I used to boot Debian Jessie + XFCE on 93MB on a EEEPC. Good ol' times!
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• 633[08:27:33] <kzimmermann> and now even my CLI takes more RAM
• 634[08:27:41] * kzimmermann plays the software bloat blues
• 635[08:27:56] <wikan> gopher is just hierarhical. not sure if it is so great but i can imagine gopher net. Easy to browse no fancy css, no js - simple text
• 636[08:28:32] <wikan> and i love menu idea
• 637[08:28:55] <wikan> systems are broken, software is broken, internet is broken :(
• 638[08:29:24] <wikan> system are heavy, software are fucking heavy, internet is a.... facebook and youtube mostly
• 639[08:30:10] <kzimmermann> faceboogle'd
• 640[08:30:11] <wikan> no forums like before, no smart communities - face face face facebook likes likes likes comments PUKE
• 641[08:30:35] <kzimmermann> 90% of all Javascript today is Tracking
• 642[08:30:41] <kzimmermann> disgusting
• 643[08:31:06] <kzimmermann> at least IRC is more or less untouched...?
• 644[08:31:25] <wikan> and you know... i got idea to make my own library tui/gui. Easy, fast, flexible. Like GTK but without widgets. Nobody wants more. But... I don't believe in it anymore
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• 646[08:34:09] <wikan> i would love to use computer with old retro lcd monohrome display. It is all I need. Great terminal apps, fast device, nice lcd display.
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• 648[08:35:39] <kzimmermann> Years ago, I gave myself a challenge not to use a GUI for one week. And thanks to the modern terminal applications, my experience was very complete and smooth. Today I'm trying this challenge again (thanks COVID19)
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• 650[08:35:49] <wikan> internet taken by corps, linux taken by corps. There is no such thing like hobby anymore
• 651[08:35:49] <kzimmermann> so far so good!
• 652[08:36:36] <wikan> the only not terminal app I use is webbrowser :| it is nightmare to browse from terminal
• 653[08:36:56] <kzimmermann> what disgusts me is people who don't even have a computer at home because "you can do everything from your phone"
• 654[08:37:00] <wikan> but now I am on detox. There is nothing interesting in the web
• 655[08:37:11] <kzimmermann> elinks works alright for me!
• 656[08:37:35] <wikan> but doesn't play youtube. I follow nice channels and like to watch sometimes ;)
• 657[08:37:56] <kzimmermann> ehh touché, I guess
• 658[08:39:30] <wikan> don't understand ppl using phones for net. Everywhere they want to have internet.
• 659[08:39:39] <wikan> I even dont use smartphone
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• 661[08:40:02] <kzimmermann> If only I could get puppylinux to play nicely with the raspberry pi my SD card would not be bogging down the whole system
• 662[08:40:36] <kzimmermann> I guess is fear of "what if someone wants to reach me??" or something
• 663[08:42:11] <wikan> did you tried opensuse? Opensuse has great tools to configure kernel from terminal. It is possible to make Opensuse extremly small
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• 667[08:45:04] <kzimmermann> that sounds like a good suggestion. This is actually one of the few larger distros that I have not ever tried
• 668[08:45:27] <wikan> i was supriced
• 669[08:46:34] <wikan> install minimum and configure installation with yast.
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• 671[08:47:50] <wikan> yast was the best administration tool ever. Was. Now it is mostly problematic. But package manager and kernel setup should work fine
• 672[08:48:27] <wikan> dont try to configure any servers from yast :D
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• 675[08:49:49] <wikan> btw, now i am using nice laptop. Imposible to modern Linux distro. Debian is fine ;)
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• 742[10:28:20] <s10gopal> a bug due to regression was introduced in kernel 4.13(upstream) and was fixed(upstream). The kernel source of debian contain those changes, But the bug still effects debian kernel.
• 743[10:30:15] <ratrace> s10gopal: file a bug report
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• 745[10:30:41] <s10gopal> ratrace Did
• 746[10:31:09] <s10gopal> replaced-url
• 747[10:31:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 748[10:31:34] <ratrace> great.
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• 753[10:40:54] <netcrash> Hello, I have these users connected to machines by freeipa one as /bin/bash other is a system account with /bin/nologin , the first can access the nfs share the second one can't I checked and logically they both should have access since the directory is 777 but the second user only views ???? in directory permissions . Any ideas?
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• 793[11:42:32] <tagomago> It's been days since the last time the weather report widgets show any value on Debian stable. Is there anything wrong with them or their data source?
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• 812[12:14:06] <ratrace> tagomago: you'll have to specify what widgets, where, how, who, etc.... meanwhile, I bet it's the data source.
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• 817[12:17:02] <tagomago> retrace: It's the default weather widget that comes with the system (I use Debian stable with MATE). It doesn't have a name... or at least I can't find it.
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• 819[12:18:56] <tagomago> It's a panel app
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• 822[12:19:54] <tagomago> You can add it to a panel by its own or within the clock/date panel app
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• 824[12:21:58] <ratrace> "panel apps" are very much desktop dependent, so this is a MATE desktop weathre widget then?
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• 826[12:23:49] <tagomago> retrace: Oh, it seems so
• 827[12:24:01] <tagomago> "Copyright © 2012-2018 MATE developers"
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• 829[12:24:39] <tagomago> I'll ask at the #mate channel then, thanks!
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• 851[12:49:06] * annadane waves
• 852[12:49:32] <[gnubie]> what is the best way to copy a ssh private key to a remote host via ssh and once the ssh session ends, the ssh private key on the remote host will be gone
• 853[12:50:42] <[gnubie]> workstation ~ ssh ~> serverA ~ ssh ~> serverB
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• 855[12:51:12] <[gnubie]> basically, i want to copy a ssh private key to serverA in order for me to ssh to serverB
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• 857[12:52:37] <[gnubie]> so once the ssh session between the workstation and serverA ends for whatever reason, automatically the ssh private key that was copied over to serverA will be gone
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• 861[12:56:54] <[gnubie]> anyone?
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• 878[13:11:17] <rad4day> it is described in the manpage of ssh
• 879[13:11:32] <rad4day> you either are looking for a "jump host" or "agent forwarding"
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• 905[13:30:36] <tdn> Can I run docker on Debian 9 with Debian 10 containers? Or is this a bad idea?
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• 909[13:35:34] <nkuttler> tdn: depends on what you do i guess, the kernel is shared
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• 918[13:48:29] <tdn> nkuttler, ok
• 919[13:49:08] <tdn> Can I upgrade from debian 9 to 10 and still be using iptables? I have a fairly complex iptables set up that I cannot easily migrate. It is possible. I simply do not have the time at the moment.
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• 958[14:16:50] <spinningCat-work> i try to install woe-usb and i followed instructor here but i cannot reach woe-usb. Is there something wrong here? replaced-url
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• 961[14:19:03] <ShalokShalom> hi there
• 962[14:19:35] <spinningCat-work> i need woe-usb
• 963[14:19:58] <ShalokShalom> can anybody explain me, why partitionmanager tries to start with gtksu instead of the kde policy kit?
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• 965[14:21:21] <ShalokShalom> I have installed libkf5su5, libkf5su-bin and everything similarly and the command partitionmanager still reads like:
• 966[14:22:03] <ShalokShalom> partitionmanager
• 967[14:22:04] <ShalokShalom> qt5ct: using qt5ct plugin
• 968[14:22:04] <ShalokShalom> Executing: "/usr/bin/gksudo" "XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-Fqm8HB9DFr,guid=eecd388dae85e2c880c4c2945ee4a7b2 partitionmanager --dontsu"
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• 982[14:34:53] <ShalokShalom> thanks, I am running it with sudo
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• 993[14:46:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey does anybody got a script or api to post screen shots to the web?
• 994[14:46:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> is there a slackone even?
• 995[14:46:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmmm
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• 997[14:47:10] <dD_> I was having trouble with an SSD that wasn't connected directly to the motherboard. I passed it to the motehrboard and was suggested that after doing that I should run fstrim. I still get some new error messages: replaced-url
• 998[14:47:37] <abrotman> Eryn_1983_FL: those are different things .. choose one
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• 1000[14:50:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah
• 1001[14:50:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> i think i just want a link for now..
• 1002[14:50:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> public site no slack
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• 1005[14:52:22] <dD_> Eryn_1983_FL: so imgur does it with the bash script I sent you, not sure if that works for you
• 1006[14:53:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> well i can use my imgur account
• 1007[14:53:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> ill see if any of the other site got an api to anon posting
• 1008[14:53:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> with like auto destroy
• 1009[14:53:58] <ws2k3> im having a strange issue with my debian server. replaced-url
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• 1017[14:58:51] <abrotman> is the switch healthy?
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• 1019[15:01:04] <ws2k3> abrotman isp says it is. but im kinda sure. cause when i boot recover mode. and then put the same workload on the box. it works fine.
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• 1021[15:01:33] <ws2k3> abrotman i also booted normaly again. installed backports kernel. to see if that resolved the issue and that was not the case
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• 1033[15:10:29] <abrotman> ISP?
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• 1042[15:21:01] <spinningCat-work> i try to install woe-usb and i followed instructor here but i cannot reach woe-usb. Is there something wrong here? replaced-url
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• 1045[15:23:02] <quadrathoch2> spinningCat-work what do you mean by not reaching?
• 1046[15:25:38] <ws2k3> abrotman hetzner
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• 1054[15:33:36] <spinningCat-work> quadrathoch2, i am hitting windows key and type woe-usb nothing is appear
• 1055[15:33:41] <NetTerminalGene> ,v firefox
• 1056[15:33:42] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 77.0-1
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• 1061[15:36:08] <spinningCat-work> ,w woe-usb
• 1062[15:36:16] <spinningCat-work> ,v woe-usb
• 1063[15:36:17] <judd> No package named 'woe-usb' was found in amd64.
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• 1066[15:36:59] <quadrathoch2> spinningCat-work just run snap run woe-usb from terminal
• 1067[15:37:10] <quadrathoch2> the snap is probably not in your PATH
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• 1078[15:42:19] <spinningCat-work> error: cannot find app "woe-usb" in "woe-usb"
• 1079[15:42:41] <spinningCat-work> what shoul i do?
• 1080[15:44:12] <quadrathoch2> spinningCat-work you could use the github version replaced-url
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• 1082[15:44:36] <quadrathoch2> the last time I used it, sadly the GUI wasn't working 100% but the cli version does
• 1083[15:44:51] <spinningCat-work> trying this right now
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• 1115[16:25:27] <Guest80683> Hi everbody. I need some little help with network interdsces.
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• 1117[16:25:46] <spinningCat-work> woe is working
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• 1119[16:26:35] <Guest80683> I added a second nic to my debian computer and Setuped in interfaces file, after put inside the cable and restarted the computer. Nic is in state down. I cannot up it. Can somebody shortly help me? Thank you
• 1120[16:27:13] <quadrathoch2> Guest80683 did you test out ip link set eth up?
• 1121[16:27:56] <Guest80683> yes. Nic called ens34.i tried ip link set ens34 up
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• 1123[16:28:07] <Guest80683> it does nothing. No error message but still down
• 1124[16:28:17] <Guest80683> i can provide any info the debian is next to me
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• 1126[16:29:06] <quadrathoch2> Guest80683 could you post your interfaces file (on a paste)
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• 1130[16:30:07] <Guest80683> auto lo
• 1131[16:30:13] <Guest80683> i will paste
• 1132[16:30:24] <quadrathoch2> use pastebin or sth Guest80683
• 1133[16:30:38] <swickrotation> Hey there again, I came here last night talking about an issue getting my fresh (though pretty bare-bones) debian install on a new-ish computer to display anything out of the DVI, despite there being working output over HDMI. Are there any good ideas about why that might be?
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• 1135[16:31:53] <swickrotation> The DVI is the only source for video signal in use right now, and my screen is totally blank. SSH-ing into the machine, export DISPLAY=<ip>:0.0 returns nothing
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• 1140[16:33:20] <guenhael> Dear everyone. With Debian 10, the command "sudo mount -t vboxsf -o uid=1000,gid=1000 TOTO /media/TOTO" works if I run it from a Terminal but if I run it from an executable file I get the error "/sbin/mount.vboxsf: shared folder '/media/TOTO' was not found (check VM settings / spelling)". Thanks for your help
• 1141[16:34:00] <Guest80683> Here is my interfaces file
• 1142[16:34:06] <Guest80683> replaced-url
• 1143[16:34:27] <Guest80683> ip address shows this
• 1144[16:35:08] <quadrathoch2> Guest80683 are you running a GUI on the debian system?
• 1145[16:35:22] <Guest80683> ens34: NO CARRIER BROADCAST MULTICAST UP mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000
• 1146[16:35:36] <Guest80683> No ! Only cli
• 1147[16:35:56] <quadrathoch2> as you said, it's the second network interface, but there is only one in the interfaces file
• 1148[16:36:09] <Guest80683> i deleted the other, does not need anymore
• 1149[16:36:18] <quadrathoch2> and the device can only be auto or allow-hotplug not both
• 1150[16:36:19] <Guest80683> no cable inside also
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• 1152[16:36:23] <quadrathoch2> k
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• 1158[16:38:53] <Guest80683> i tried disable auto and systemctl restart networking, not worked, tried also disable hotplug and reallow auto and restart but still down
• 1159[16:39:43] <hk238> Hi. I'm trying to copy a file on an USB drive stick, but for some reason can't write on the drive. It's a flashboot stick for arch, so I probably have to format it first?
• 1160[16:39:54] <hk238> Is there any other explanation for why it's not possible to write things on the drive?
• 1161[16:40:16] <Guest80683> quadrath I can also pay for the help its really important and urgent
• 1162[16:40:19] <quadrathoch2> Guest80683 what happens if you dhclient ens34
• 1163[16:40:47] <quadrathoch2> there is nothing to pay, as this is a community support channel
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• 1165[16:40:49] <Guest80683> cursor start blinking
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• 1167[16:40:54] <quadrathoch2> give it a bit
• 1168[16:41:15] <quadrathoch2> hk238 which filesystem do you have on the stick
• 1169[16:41:44] <derpadmin> Guest80683 : did you changed the physical cable?
• 1170[16:42:01] <Guest80683> yes put out from deleted and connected to new one
• 1171[16:42:08] <derpadmin> Guest80683 : what is at the other end of the debian box?
• 1172[16:42:14] <Guest80683> cable tested of course
• 1173[16:42:16] <hk238> I'm not sure I think it's isofs
• 1174[16:42:20] <hk238> based on properties
• 1175[16:42:40] <quadrathoch2> hm isofs is readonly as far as I know
• 1176[16:42:44] <Guest80683> dhclient did nothing. No message
• 1177[16:42:53] <derpadmin> Guest80683 : ** the other end of the cable, what the debian box is connected to?
• 1178[16:43:07] <Guest80683> main router
• 1179[16:43:28] <derpadmin> Guest80683 : specs of main router?
• 1180[16:43:44] <derpadmin> Guest80683 : home grade or commercial grade?
• 1181[16:43:48] <Guest80683> Simple Arris provided by isp
• 1182[16:43:50] <Guest80683> home
• 1183[16:45:32] <Guest80683> Nothing really configured except port forwarding
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• 1186[16:47:57] <derpadmin> Guest80683 : led light in on for the port on the simple arris?
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• 1191[16:49:40] <colethegamer> Im back sorry
• 1192[16:49:50] <colethegamer> i was the guy with the nic problem 1 minutes before
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• 1194[16:50:10] <colethegamer> did you wrote anything after i wrote my router brand?
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• 1198[16:52:22] <colethegamer> I was the guest
• 1199[16:52:58] <quadrathoch2> derpadmin> Guest80683 : led light in on for the port on the simple arris?
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• 1201[16:54:33] <omenius> I encrypted my / during installation. Can I still mount the partition from live as long as I know the password?
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• 1203[16:55:19] <quadrathoch2> omenius yes
• 1204[16:56:22] <colethegamer> Quadrath led is off
• 1205[16:56:31] <colethegamer> not blinking
• 1206[16:57:03] <colethegamer> Maybe I addecwrong name?
• 1207[16:57:19] <colethegamer> The name was ens33 for the old one I used ens34 here
• 1208[16:57:41] <colethegamer> how should I know what is the name? I integrated into pci x port on mainboard
• 1209[16:57:51] <colethegamer> maybe the name of the interface is bad
• 1210[16:57:57] <quadrathoch2> colethegamer what does ip addr say?
• 1211[16:58:39] <colethegamer> ens33 is still here
• 1212[16:58:44] <colethegamer> how can that be?
• 1213[16:58:48] <colethegamer> If i deleted out?
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• 1215[16:59:12] <quadrathoch2> deleted out of what? interfaces file?
• 1216[16:59:40] <quadrathoch2> as long as the network interface is still in the computer, ip addr will find it, but it's not configured (by interfaces)
• 1217[16:59:50] <colethegamer> Understood
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• 1220[17:00:22] <quadrathoch2> so the name of ens34 is correct?
• 1221[17:00:25] <CrystalMath> hmmm... what could cause the usb_common module to fail verification
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• 1223[17:00:40] <colethegamer> I dont know
• 1224[17:00:50] <colethegamer> how should I know what should be the good name?
• 1225[17:01:05] <colethegamer> my ip address info : replaced-url
• 1226[17:01:11] <quadrathoch2> well if the old interface is ens33 then there should only be 1 other interface or?
• 1227[17:01:29] <colethegamer> Yes
• 1228[17:01:38] <colethegamer> then Its okey
• 1229[17:01:41] <quadrathoch2> colethegamer and ens34 has the ip of 192.168.0.20
• 1230[17:01:50] <quadrathoch2> does your internet work/
• 1231[17:01:51] <quadrathoch2> ?
• 1232[17:01:52] <colethegamer> yes i added staticly
• 1233[17:02:06] <colethegamer> no
• 1234[17:02:18] <colethegamer> not reachable by lan and also by wan
• 1235[17:02:50] <quadrathoch2> colethegamer is there a possibilty to just test out dhcp? so to see if there is something wrong with the setup?
• 1236[17:03:06] <colethegamer> dhcp allowed in my network
• 1237[17:03:15] <colethegamer> What should i write into my config file?
• 1238[17:03:38] <quadrathoch2> replaced-url
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• 1241[17:04:32] <colethegamer> Done
• 1242[17:04:45] <colethegamer> What is the best way to refresh settings?
• 1243[17:04:52] <colethegamer> systemctl restart networking?
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• 1247[17:05:23] <quadrathoch2> colethegamer yes
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• 1249[17:07:03] <colethegamer> tried it
• 1250[17:07:10] <colethegamer> still down
• 1251[17:07:11] <quadrathoch2> and
• 1252[17:07:28] <quadrathoch2> could you again 'ip link set ens34 up'
• 1253[17:07:29] <colethegamer> ip address looks same
• 1254[17:07:33] <colethegamer> tried also
• 1255[17:07:38] <colethegamer> no message came back
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• 1257[17:07:50] <quadrathoch2> what does ip addr say?
• 1258[17:07:52] <colethegamer> this is a really cheap aliexpress nic
• 1259[17:07:57] <colethegamer> maybe problem is that
• 1260[17:08:02] <colethegamer> ip address is the same
• 1261[17:08:06] <colethegamer> replaced-url
• 1262[17:08:37] <colethegamer> there is one more slot to connect nic lets try it?
• 1263[17:09:03] <quadrathoch2> colethegamer probably test it :) i would stick to dhcp as long as it's not working
• 1264[17:09:15] <quadrathoch2> so we can rule out any misconfiguration on the debian side
• 1265[17:09:19] <colethegamer> I will do like that
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• 1271[17:14:05] <colethegamer> nic connected
• 1272[17:14:11] <colethegamer> pc is starting
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• 1281[17:20:24] <colethegamer> when pc is starting says something like : realtek pcie . Press f9 to configure
• 1282[17:20:38] <colethegamer> maybe if there is still problem should try this?
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• 1286[17:21:03] <quadrathoch2> colethegamer probably
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• 1292[17:23:08] <colethegamer> Pc is up
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• 1294[17:23:30] <colethegamer> ens32 is the new interface name
• 1295[17:23:44] <quadrathoch2> so rewrite the interfaces file, and then restart the network
• 1296[17:23:50] <colethegamer> yes
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• 1300[17:26:10] <colethegamer> Not getting IP. Same behaviour
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• 1303[17:27:26] <colethegamer> but if ip address identifies the interface name it means its not corrupted right?
• 1304[17:27:26] <vopijep> hi
• 1305[17:27:36] <colethegamer> or still can be the nic is corrupted?
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• 1312[17:30:09] <quadrathoch2> colethegamer it could be corrupted (as far as I can imagine it)
• 1313[17:31:05] <vopijep> ctrl-F = "/bar toggle nicklist; /bar toggle buflist"
• 1314[17:31:23] <vopijep> damm
• 1315[17:31:46] <colethegamer> I read now if its written next to the nic name lower up rhat means nothing connected to that
• 1316[17:31:53] <colethegamer> but i got no lower up
• 1317[17:32:09] <colethegamer> that means some data going trough but i does not get ip address
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• 1320[17:34:29] <colethegamer> I ran a dmsg
• 1321[17:35:43] <colethegamer> Quadrath check this : replaced-url
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• 1323[17:37:12] <quadrathoch2> weird :/ colethegamer sorry, i think I am at the end of my knowledge
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• 1326[17:38:44] <colethegamer> Looks like its looking for ipv6
• 1327[17:39:05] <Lampion> Hello everyone, I'm trying to build a ipsec-based VPN, but can't seem to find an ipsec toolbox package in Debian Buster.
• 1328[17:39:08] <colethegamer> anyhow thanks for the help. Looks like i have to find another distribution
• 1329[17:39:21] <quadrathoch2> colethegamer could you disable ipv6? as in just removing the entry?
• 1330[17:39:23] <Lampion> I found ISAKMP, but no ipsec package.
• 1331[17:39:34] <Dagger> quadrathoch2: dude
• 1332[17:39:55] <Dagger> that message is an informative message that tells you that the link isn't ready
• 1333[17:40:16] <Dagger> disabling v6 isn't going to help. the link still won't be ready, you just won't get a message about it
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• 1336[17:41:14] <quadrathoch2> so rather than helping you just try to flame me? nice Dagger
• 1337[17:41:29] <rander2> hello
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• 1339[17:42:45] <rander2> how may I read the phone cell ID in deb10 using a usb modem hspa ? I mean to replicate the same thing of cell ID position in the smartphone
• 1340[17:42:46] <Dagger> I'm still reading the backlog. I'm just getting very tired of "disable IPv6!!" being the first response whenever anyone sees any hint of IPv6 somewhere
• 1341[17:43:04] <Dagger> we're far beyond the point where that's an appropriate response to a networking problem
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• 1344[17:43:30] <quadrathoch2> sure that's why the first thing you do, before reading the backlog, is flaming, nice DUDE
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• 1346[17:45:11] <Lampion> Guys, calm down :(
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• 1348[17:45:20] <colethegamer> Dagger can you maybe look at my issue?
• 1349[17:45:52] <colethegamer> If you have knowledge about adding new nic to a pc
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• 1352[17:47:23] <Dagger> colethegamer: the `ip link` output says NO-CARRIER which I guess means no cable, so maybe try wiggling the cable at both ends, or a different known-working cable?
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• 1376[18:01:18] <kreyren> variable `$XDG_CONFIG_HOME` is blank on my bian -> How do i provide it?
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• 1378[18:02:37] <jmcnaught> kreyren: on your {debian,devuan} {stable,testing,unstable,experimental} system?
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• 1382[18:05:11] <kreyren> jmcnaught, on my {debian{stable,testing,unstable,experimental},devuan{stable,testing,unstable,experimental,beowulf},xebian-stable,kreyherbo-rolling,kreytoo-fuc@$ed,debian-stable,bare minimum LFS, FOSS parts from darwin, FreeBSDrey {12,11}.,ReactOS master, Windows}
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• 1384[18:05:28] <kreyren> Also forgot Redox ^-^
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• 1387[18:07:07] <kreyren> and Android sandboxed but that thing barely works atm >.>
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• 1389[18:07:25] <kreyren> kreyren, xdg-user-dirs package
• 1390[18:07:28] <kreyren> kreyren, thanku <3
• 1391[18:07:49] <kreyren> kreyren, xdg-user-dirs is already the newest version (0.17-2). O.o
• 1392[18:08:00] <kreyren> kreyren, weird~
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• 1395[18:09:21] <kreyren> kreyren, seems that package xdg-user-dirs doesn't export it my bad! you have to put that in /etc/environment
• 1396[18:09:24] <kreyren> kreyren, i see, thanks
• 1397[18:11:23] <rander2> how discover device in /dev from lsusb commad ? I'm trying to discover usb modem
• 1398[18:11:30] <kreyren> aldo even with that exported my gimp doesn't read `$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/GIMP/2.10/menurc` >.<
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• 1400[18:11:54] <kreyren> rander2, off the head `lsusb --class network`
• 1401[18:12:08] <rander2> thx
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• 1403[18:16:06] <kreyren> Debian GIMP is in downstream level hardcoding the path to user configuration for /etc -.-
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• 1411[18:25:36] <karlpinc> kreyren: If that's ungood, file a bug report.
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• 1415[18:32:08] <kreyren> karlpinc, Should that be a good thing?
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• 1426[18:41:52] <karlpinc> kreyren: I've no idea.
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• 1447[19:14:37] <xparanoik> trying to get wifi to work on a panasonic toughbook CF-74.. Got debian buster running xfce. can't bring the interface up due to RF-KILL.. Any ideas on what to do next?
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• 1449[19:15:21] <xparanoik> here is the iw dev output replaced-url
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• 1451[19:16:58] <xparanoik> here is the error message replaced-url
• 1452[19:17:57] <sney> !rfkill
• 1453[19:17:57] <dpkg> /dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace tool for accessing this interface is in the rfkill package. replaced-url
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• 1456[19:19:53] <xparanoik> ~# rfkill list 0: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: yes
• 1457[19:20:13] <xparanoik> hmm, hard blocked. wonder if there's a switch somewhere I just haven't found it
• 1458[19:20:23] <jmcnaught> I was just going to ask that.
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• 1461[19:22:55] <swickrotation> I might have narrowed down my issue to just not having the correct drivers so that the DVI can be recognised. In Jessie the package was fglrx-driver, but that doesn't seem to be the case for the current release of stable. Any insights here?
• 1462[19:24:41] <xparanoik> yeah looks like the wifi switch (just found it) isn't working... i cycled it from on to off and back, and the hardblock stays in
• 1463[19:24:47] <xparanoik> i guess i have to stick with wired then..
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• 1466[19:25:26] <vopijep> could you open it and hard wire it to "on"?
• 1467[19:25:45] <xparanoik> i could try, yes. going to need to figure that out
• 1468[19:25:59] <vopijep> good luck
• 1469[19:26:01] <xparanoik> thanks
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• 1474[19:28:55] <nevyn> swickrotation: what card?
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• 1476[19:29:19] <swickrotation> nevyn: it's an AMD radeon 7870
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• 1481[19:31:53] <nevyn> why do you want to use fglrx? the radeon support ofr that should be fine.
• 1482[19:33:59] <swickrotation> nevyn: I don't know what that is!
• 1483[19:34:32] <nevyn> swickrotation: ok do you have working graphics at all?
• 1484[19:34:36] <swickrotation> oh sorry mistook the typo for a package
• 1485[19:35:03] <nevyn> for :D
• 1486[19:35:13] <swickrotation> nevyn: yes I do, I've been able to test HDMI which works fine
• 1487[19:35:35] <swickrotation> however my own monitor is only DVI/VGA in
• 1488[19:36:51] <nevyn> if you run xrandr can you see the dvi output?
• 1489[19:37:09] <nevyn> you know there are hdmi -> dvi cables ?
• 1490[19:37:31] <swickrotation> haha ok so here's the tricky thing. For now I have to interact with the machine through ssh because the only monitor I have is the DVI which is not being detected
• 1491[19:37:35] <nevyn> because they're the same signals just a different connector
• 1492[19:37:49] <nevyn> the card has a dvi on it?
• 1493[19:38:05] <swickrotation> Very strangely, when both monitors were plugged in neither were detected in xrandr even though there was hdmi signal being recieved
• 1494[19:38:22] <swickrotation> but using xrandr --auto in that state shut them both off
• 1495[19:38:56] <swickrotation> nevyn: the card has both, but this really feels like a software issue and not a hardware problem
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• 1499[19:43:47] <swickrotation> oh, I should also say that while ssh'd into the problem machine, using `export DISPLAY=<remote ip>:0.0` returns nothing
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• 1502[19:45:00] <xparanoik> hmm, figured it out. installed firmware-iwlwifi and cycled the switch, it seemed to stay in the "on" position and wifi connected..
• 1503[19:45:03] <xparanoik> thanks for the help
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• 1542[20:23:17] <swickrotation> I've tried all the steps on ATI How-To on the debian site, but am coming up totally empty
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• 1544[20:23:31] <swickrotation> it's a little frustrating haha
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• 1549[20:27:54] <swickrotation> dmesg doesn't show any of the firmware loading, despite it all being installed
• 1550[20:28:05] <kreyren> Any idea what might this be caused by? replaced-url
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• 1554[20:34:23] <kreyren> solved by recompiling ca-certificates~
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• 1563[20:39:30] <n4dir> hi. i followed advice from debian wiki for the wireless chip ISL3890, but neither wicd-gtk nor iwlist * scan give results. replaced-url
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• 1574[20:52:52] <xparanoik> n4dir, i was just messing with wifi.. apt-get install rfkill then rfkill list
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• 1576[20:54:05] <n4dir> let me try. thanks
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• 1578[20:54:41] <n4dir> no, same results. It's just "rfkill list" ?
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• 1581[20:56:50] <xparanoik> yeah, to see if your wifi card is disabled or not, i had that issue
• 1582[20:57:17] <xparanoik> you should see soft blocked NO and hard blocked NO if it's enabled
• 1583[20:57:41] <n4dir> yes, that is what i get
• 1584[20:57:50] <xparanoik> both not blocked? hm
• 1585[20:59:54] <xparanoik> did you bring the interface up before scanning?
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• 1587[21:00:27] <n4dir> i don't think so. is it like "ip name_of up" ?
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• 1594[21:02:18] <xparanoik> earlier i used "ip link set INTERFACE_NAME up" - in your case use wlp2s0
• 1595[21:02:47] <n4dir> yeah, just found it in the man page and iwlist works now. Thanks a ton
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• 1597[21:02:53] <xparanoik> np
• 1598[21:03:11] <n4dir> !next
• 1599[21:03:12] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 1600[21:03:14] <n4dir> :-)
• 1601[21:03:45] <McMurdo> Howdy, I have full disk encryption on my Debian setup can someone point me in the direction of how to shrink this encrypted partition to make room for another partition (to install a separate Debian OS)?
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• 1617[21:27:29] <swickrotation> Still no luck. I'm not sure what to do, I've followed all the steps on AtiHowTo
• 1618[21:27:48] <swickrotation> Maybe I'll try contacting AMD for support. Any other thoughts?
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• 1621[21:31:07] <swift110-phone__> How do I put Debian onto a Mac pro 1.1?
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• 1628[21:37:04] <NetTerminalGene> swickrotation, what is your gpu?
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• 1635[21:49:21] <Lampion> hey lads, what does the '(8)' mean after a command ?
• 1636[21:49:25] <Lampion> Like, vpn(8)
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• 1640[21:50:27] <swickrotation> NetTerminalGene: I'm using a Radeon 7870
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• 1644[21:51:48] <NetTerminalGene> swickrotation, can you send me wiki debian link?
• 1645[21:51:57] <oxek> I am on debian 10 and something is generating thumbnails inside ~/.cache/thumbnails/ and I'd like this behavior to stop. How can I do that?
• 1646[21:52:05] <oxek> xfce is my DE
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• 1648[21:54:26] <NetTerminalGene> oxek, you don't have any thumbnailed extension?
• 1649[21:54:41] <NetTerminalGene> i mean pictures, videos etc..
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• 1651[21:56:01] <oxek> NetTerminalGene: I suspect I have 'tumbler' installed by default
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• 1653[21:56:13] <oxek> don't know anything about any extensions
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• 1655[21:56:49] <oxek> if 'tumbler' is the culprit, can this behavior be disabled or can I simply safely purge this package?
• 1656[21:57:10] <NetTerminalGene> oxek, can't you just disable it in thunar?
• 1657[21:57:30] <NetTerminalGene> there should be a setting for that
• 1658[21:59:01] <oxek> NetTerminalGene: I've set that setting to disabled long ago, but the behavior persists
• 1659[21:59:06] <oxek> so the setting does not do anything
• 1660[21:59:27] <NetTerminalGene> sorry
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• 1662[22:01:24] <NetTerminalGene> oxek, my minimal xfce installation notes points these packages: tumbler-plugins-extra ffmpegthumbnailer
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• 1664[22:01:56] <NetTerminalGene> but it is for older debian. i am not sure if this apply buster
• 1665[22:03:26] <oxek> yeah I think I'll just try to remove the package 'tumbler'. Anyone know if something unexpected will break as a result?
• 1666[22:03:47] <oxek> (I fully expect thumbnail generation to no longer work, just wondering if it breaks something else)
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• 1670[22:06:08] <Lampion> Guys ?
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• 1672[22:07:07] <annadane> Lampion, see "man man"
• 1673[22:07:10] <annadane> they're sections
• 1674[22:07:27] <annadane> they designate the area a program belongs to
• 1675[22:07:58] <annadane> 1 Executable programs or shell commands 2 System calls (functions provided by the kernel) and so on
• 1676[22:08:13] <Lampion> Problem is, 'vpn' does not show up in the repositories, in the internet or in anything...
• 1677[22:08:29] <Lampion> What should I be looking for ? That's a *big* document.
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• 1679[22:08:57] <jmcnaught> The sections are described in the description of "man man", on the second page.
• 1680[22:10:23] <Lampion> VPN seems to be a superuser-only command, but even with sudo or su enabled it does not bring up anything.
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• 1682[22:10:37] <Lampion> And as said earlier, it doesn't show up in repositories either.
• 1683[22:11:29] <jmcnaught> Where did you find this vpn(8) command?
• 1684[22:12:04] <Lampion> Under isakmpd's man
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• 1686[22:14:05] <n4dir> which apt-cache says to be a openbsd thing, which might or might not indicate that the debian app name is a different one
• 1687[22:14:18] <n4dir> or service.
• 1688[22:14:43] <n4dir> though you can always find manpages online
• 1689[22:15:03] <n4dir> not sure if the posix-manpages would contain it (man vpn)
• 1690[22:15:46] <Lampion> I found nothing on the internet, dude, but I'll check that site.
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• 1692[22:17:54] <n4dir> it is a package in debian, but the name might be slightly different
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• 1694[22:18:51] <n4dir> if the web doesn't know man vpn, i wouldn't have much hope those manpages have it
• 1695[22:20:08] <Lampion> That's real strange... The worst is I *need* that manpage in order to know what to do with isakmpd.
• 1696[22:20:44] <Lampion> I'm looking to build an ipsec vpn with friends, nothing fancy, just a tunnel and some routing tweaks.
• 1697[22:21:09] <Lampion> But I honestly can't find anything that's not a client, I don't know what to use.
• 1698[22:21:44] <AndreasLutro> strongswan is the one I know
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• 1700[22:22:13] <n4dir> perhaps write a mail to the developper(s) of isakmpd and ask them to clarify (or if they are on github or such report there) ?
• 1701[22:23:05] <Lampion> Yeah, but we're trying not to use premade clients, see ? We want to do it from scratch, make the tunnel ourselves, configure isakmp and stuff.
• 1702[22:23:22] <Lampion> I'll try and do that n4dir, thanks for your help
• 1703[22:23:52] <n4dir> good luck. :-)
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• 1713[22:30:51] <freebench__> hi, advice is needed. a while ago buster got stopped on boot with message that errors have been found on /dev/sda2 part, with message to run ckfs on it. S
• 1714[22:30:51] <freebench__> o was did. Now, after a reboot it fails to start, goes into manual mode. the main failure poing is "r8169 0000:0c:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl18168e-3.fw(-2)".
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• 1717[22:31:59] <adu> How do I install cdrkit/
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• 1719[22:32:12] <Harm133> Hey guys, I'm trying to get nginx to run with TLSv1.3 on buster; but can't seem to get it to work
• 1720[22:32:17] <oxek> freebench__: that error should not prevent booting, something else is the issue.
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• 1722[22:32:31] <Harm133> Isn't the default nginx package from the repo compatible with TLSv1.3?
• 1723[22:32:43] <Harm133> nginx -V shows; built with OpenSSL 1.1.0l 10 Sep 2019 (running with OpenSSL 1.1.1d 10 Sep 2019)
• 1724[22:33:32] <oxek> Harm133: needs to be built with openssl 1.1.1
• 1725[22:33:45] <Harm133> Damn I thought so, thx
• 1726[22:33:53] <Harm133> Why isn't it done in the repo by default?
• 1727[22:34:13] <oxek> nginx is problematic, and upstream strongly recommends to not use debian repos
• 1728[22:34:28] <Harm133> for the nginx package you mean
• 1729[22:34:33] <oxek> yes
• 1730[22:34:45] <Harm133> Alright, I'll try and see their repo
• 1731[22:34:48] <Harm133> thx for the fast reply :)
• 1732[22:35:12] <freebench__> oxek, how to find out what is it ?
• 1733[22:35:35] <oxek> Harm133: I don't see any other way of getting nginx with TLSv1.3 on debian stable yet.
• 1734[22:36:23] <oxek> freebench__: a start would be pasting the entire log and any other related logfiles somewhere and someone might help
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• 1736[22:37:50] <freebench__> oxek, machine isn't in my possession
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• 1738[22:39:33] <oxek> unfortunately with no information there is nothing I can do, but perhaps someone wiser might have some input
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• 1740[22:42:12] <freebench__> oxek, here are some more. when it was prompted by the system to run ckfs on partition. there was many prompts to fix the errors, all of these were allowed to fix
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• 1742[22:43:34] <synaps3> hi, i have port 25 open on my vps and idk why, looked into systemctl -l smtpd is not there, looked into ps aux | grep smtpd found nothing
• 1743[22:43:45] <synaps3> when i connect with nc smtpd is working on there
• 1744[22:43:48] <synaps3> how to shut it off
• 1745[22:44:34] <sney> could be xinetd. or check for exim4/postfix/sendmail service
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• 1748[22:45:23] <sney> however if your vps is going to have a website that can send mail you may need smtp for that
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• 1750[22:47:26] <Harm133> synaps3: you can do 'netstat -tulnap | grep LISTEN' and see what proces is using that port
• 1751[22:47:31] <Harm133> listening on that port*
• 1752[22:47:46] <synaps3> i don't have netstat only ss
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• 1754[22:48:29] <Harm133> 'ss -l4p' should do the trick then
• 1755[22:48:43] <synaps3> wow thanks
• 1756[22:48:50] <synaps3> what does 4 do in that
• 1757[22:49:01] <Harm133> only IPv4
• 1758[22:49:02] <synaps3> sney, it is exim4
• 1759[22:49:05] <synaps3> oh thanks
• 1760[22:49:13] <Harm133> No problem :)
• 1761[22:49:20] <synaps3> i had some trouble with ss telling what process is using what port
• 1762[22:49:37] <Harm133> ss / netstat to the rescue ;)
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• 1765[22:54:37] <oxek> remind me, is 'ss' the deprecated program?
• 1766[22:54:53] <oxek> what is its intended replacement?
• 1767[22:55:09] <Harm133> netstat is the old one, ss is the new one
• 1768[22:55:12] <Harm133> afaik
• 1769[22:55:49] <oxek> ah, that might be the case then, thanks
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• 1774[22:57:27] <Harm133> From the netstat man; 'This program is mostly obsolete. Replacement for netstat is ss.'
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• 1803[23:21:10] <Vladi> Hello. I have this python script that I want to run when my Raspberry Pi boots. I also want it to be run from its folder (because it's accessing files there). I also made a .sh launcher that starts the script. Can I make either of those execute during or right after boot?
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• 1814[23:23:02] <winterflaw> I'm upgrading a Jessie on mipsel using archive.debian.org and although I may be completely wrong, there seems to be a corrupt package for libcario2
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• 1816[23:23:51] <winterflaw> dpkg throws "unexpected end of file or stream" while unpacking
• 1817[23:23:52] <dpkg> winterflaw: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 1819[23:24:09] <winterflaw> well I hope so because then it's relatively quick and easy to fix
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• 1836[23:38:35] <CrystalMath> hmm
• 1837[23:38:42] <CrystalMath> i have some sort of problem
• 1838[23:38:49] <CrystalMath> when i install my linux-libc-dev package
• 1839[23:39:01] <CrystalMath> it wants to upgrade it to the backports version
• 1840[23:39:26] <CrystalMath> any way i can disable a particular backports package?
• 1841[23:39:36] <sney> debian preferentially installs the newest version of an available package. you can work around that with pinning or holds
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• 1843[23:39:52] <BenNZ> CrystalMath: you can change the pin priority
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• 1845[23:40:06] <sney> 'apt-mark hold packagename' will hold the package at the current version, which is a little easier than doing pin math
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• 1847[23:40:38] <BenNZ> CrystalMath: replaced-url
• 1848[23:40:40] <CrystalMath> idk why it wants the bacport suddenly
• 1849[23:40:48] <CrystalMath> *backport
• 1850[23:40:53] <CrystalMath> but i mean, i installed my custom-built package
• 1851[23:40:57] <BenNZ> CrystalMath: because backports is probably a later version
• 1852[23:41:10] <CrystalMath> yes but i mean, for every package, the backport is a later version
• 1853[23:41:15] <CrystalMath> why only linux-libc-dev?
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• 1855[23:41:27] <sney> backports is default pinned at a low priority so there's probably something else that's recommending a newer libc
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• 1863[23:42:33] <BenNZ> CrystalMath: more than likely it is needed by another package
• 1864[23:42:48] <CrystalMath> any way to find out?
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• 1866[23:43:55] <BenNZ> cryptic: apt-cache rdepends linux-libc-dev
• 1867[23:45:04] <CrystalMath> only two in the resulting list are installed
• 1868[23:45:12] <CrystalMath> libc6-dev and libklibc-dev
• 1869[23:45:42] <CrystalMath> libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.28-10), libc-dev-bin (= 2.28-10), linux-libc-dev
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• 1871[23:46:08] <CrystalMath> libklibc-dev: Depends: libklibc (= 2.0.6-1), linux-libc-dev
• 1872[23:46:33] <CrystalMath> they don't ask for a specific version
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• 1874[23:47:50] <CrystalMath> the version i have is 4.19.118-custom-4
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