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0 [00:00:04] <Brigo> that they are. I have never seen a gziped
module before.
1 [00:00:13] * rapha ponders find /lib/modules/4.12*/kernel -type f
-name '*.gz' -exec gunzip {} \;
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3 [00:00:33] <rapha> No harm in trying I guess ... can always
reinstall the .deb files.
4 [00:00:39] <Brigo> rapha, and then maybe they will stop
working :D
5 [00:00:49] <rapha> we'll see :)
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7 [00:01:09] <jmcnaught> rapha: dpkg is not going to remove the
new files created by gunzip in /lib/modules
8 [00:01:32] <rapha> jmcnaught: I can do that myself if it
comes to that.
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11 [00:03:36] <Brigo> there is no new version of
initramfs-tools, so i guess it should handle it.
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15 [00:05:11] <rapha> Didn't help any.
16 [00:05:29] <rapha> Brigo: does depmod -a not affect the
running kernel's modules only, btw?
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18 [00:06:22] <Brigo> rapha, i would say so.
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21 [00:07:13] <rapha> Brigo: okay, so that's not actually
relevant.
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24 [00:07:44] * rapha really wants to know now how mkinitramfs decides
what files to include
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26 [00:08:33] <Brigo> rapha, i think that gziped modules thing
is from the configuration file from that guy. Maybe you can modify
it and get a new .deb with not gziped modules
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29 [00:09:48] <Brigo> CONFIG_MODULE_COMPRESS_GZIP=y <--
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33 [00:10:59] <rapha> Worth a shot.
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39 [00:12:50] <rapha> Brigo: hey, what about going all s/=m/=y/g
on that file?
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43 [00:14:05] <Brigo> rapha, that's another option. Not
sure what is going to happen, though
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50 [00:15:52] <rapha> It's probably likely that some
options can only be built as modules and that things are going to
crash and burn :)
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60 [00:18:40] <Brigo> rapha, or they are going to get build as
modules anyway.
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62 [00:19:21] <tw> make oldconfig would probably undo the worst
of the problems, if there were any.
63 [00:19:39] <rapha> Hmm, you're much more optimistic than
me Brigo :)
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66 [00:22:40] <Brigo> i trust linux guys :)
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75 [00:25:58] <rapha> Brigo: I think the modules.dep file is to
blame. It's empty.
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80 [00:27:10] <Brigo> rapha, depmode issue,then
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86 [00:28:43] <rapha> Brigo: it's the same for me as for
the guy at
replaced-url
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88 [00:28:59] <rapha> (Even after the depmod, the file
isn't populated)
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91 [00:29:17] <Brigo> depmod can't handle gziped modules, i
guess.
92 [00:29:30] <rapha> :-P
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97 [00:30:42] <rapha> Recompile finished.
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108 [00:34:51] <rapha> Brigo: BINGO! It's depmod that
can't handle compressed .ko's, not mkinitramfs!
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122 [00:41:43] <Brigo> rapha, so your brand new kernel is working
finally?
123 [00:42:50] <rapha> Brigo: no, now the battery just went dead
after hours with the screen turned on.
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129 [00:45:46] <altker128> Hey guys , not strictly a Debian
issue. I'm trying to parse data between a > symbol and an
end tag ; example "blah blah blah > THE INFORMATION I WANT
</end_tag>" . Suggestions?
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131 [00:46:14] <rapha> Brigo: nice! Found a
USB-octopus-thingamajingle that will allow me to use USB stick and
keyboard while charging the tablet :)
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135 [00:47:22] <rednovae> I am installing the latest debian
stable, and need to install a package during system installation. I
have the .deb in a mounted partition, but "dpkg" seems to
be gone, so no "dpkg -i"
136 [00:47:33] <Brigo> altker128, bash?
137 [00:47:36] <rednovae> How do I install a .deb during debian
installation now?
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139 [00:47:55] <altker128> Brigo: Yeah, I'm looking at
various permutations of awk / sed / etc
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141 [00:48:16] <Brigo> altker128, have you tried asking in #bash?
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143 [00:48:32] <altker128> Brigo: Ah, that's probably
smarter :)
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145 [00:49:02] <Brigo> rednovae, are you sure dpkg is not there?
it should be.
146 [00:49:08] <jmcnaught> rednovae: the installer main menu
should have an option to start a shell in the target system
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148 [00:50:01] <rednovae> Brigo nope :/, ok I'll try
something else then
149 [00:50:22] <rapha> Brigo: jmcnaught: it booted the custom
kernel! :-D
150 [00:50:27] <rapha> Thank you both!!
151 [00:50:30] <rednovae> It's "udpkg" now, found
it
152 [00:51:02] <rapha> Tomorrow: how the heck will we get WPA2
WiFi working without networkmanager ...
153 [00:51:05] <Brigo> rapha, good for you :)
154 [00:51:19] <jmcnaught> rednovae: that is for adding installer
components during the install, you want to install the package in
the target system, not using udpkg
155 [00:51:22] <rapha> Brigo: good for you too because in the end
you had the right idea :)
156 [00:51:41] <Brigo> rapha, i have my moments :)
157 [00:51:41] <negativerad> oldstable preloaded with nonfree iso
still available, i can't seem to find any. i think it was
called using-firmware or something.
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161 [00:52:56] <Brigo> negativerad,
replaced-url
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163 [00:54:35] <negativerad> Brigo!
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167 [00:56:28] <negativerad> Thank you =)
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169 [00:57:08] <Brigo> negativerad, yw :)
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177 [01:00:27] <altker128> Brigo: OK, I use the cut command piped
to the cut command again and that worked. Super hacky but whatever
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189 [01:08:23] <tm4> Hi. How to configure Cyrillic letters in
TTY? (Debian 9)
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201 [01:14:55] <Brigo> tm4, try this:
replaced-url
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213 [01:20:30] <tm4> Brigo, the language-env package does not
exist.
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227 [01:27:32] <Brigo> tm4, maybe with console-cyrillic package,
then.
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232 [01:29:55] <tm4> Brigo, console-cyrillic does not work.
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236 [01:31:02] <Brigo> tm4, what's the output of env | grep
LANG
237 [01:31:50] <MarioMey> Hello... I have a USB soundcard and a
microphone from a Webcam. I want to make each of them to have a
particular hw:NUMBER. So, when I connect them to Jack, I can do it
by script. There's documentation to do it in Ubuntu... but
I'm on Debian.
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239 [01:32:24] <MarioMey> My system doesn't have
/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.
240 [01:32:46] <MarioMey> Neither /etc/modules.conf or
/etc/modprobe.conf... as another page says.
241 [01:32:53] <MarioMey> So... how should I do it?
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246 [01:35:33] <tm4> Brigo, LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8,
LANGUAGE=ru_RU.UTF-8
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251 [01:38:10] <Brigo> tm4, then i think you are missing the
cyrillic fonts.
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256 [01:39:56] <Brigo> i have to go to sleep, bye all
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259 [01:40:25] <GRTYUYU> !ciao
260 [01:40:25] <dpkg> well, ciao is both hello and goodbye
(casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter.
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262 [01:40:37] <GRTYUYU> !list
263 [01:40:37] <dpkg> grtyuyu: È possibile scaricare un
sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a
replaced-url
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268 [01:41:16] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: Debian /etc/modules, and you
could create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/
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275 [01:42:55] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: also why not refer to the
card by name instead of number?
replaced-url
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278 [01:43:14] <tm4> Brigo, in dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
chose terminus. How can I choose the right one?
279 [01:43:21] <MarioMey> jmcnaught: Oh, good idea...
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287 [01:46:51] <glick> hello
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289 [01:46:56] <glick> damnit where the hell is everyone
290 [01:47:05] <glick> all of freenode is quite whenever im on
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292 [01:47:42] <jmcnaught> people in this channel often ignore
greetings and only respond to support requests
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295 [01:48:09] <electricfuneral> glick: feel free to ask a
specific question, someone may answer
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308 [01:53:18] <MarioMey> jmcnaught: Yes, that's the
solution.
309 [01:53:37] <MarioMey> But now... I can't connect HDMI
sound with alsa_out any more...
310 [01:54:03] <MarioMey> When you told me to use names, I did it
and it could connect to PureData. Now, It says:
311 [01:54:32] <MarioMey> Capture open error: No such file or
directory
312 [01:54:38] <MarioMey> After 5 other lines.
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316 [01:55:00] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: what says that?
317 [01:55:22] <MarioMey> alsa_out -j hdmsi -c 2 -d hw:NVidia
318 [01:55:27] <MarioMey> alsa_out -j hdmi -c 2 -d hw:NVidia
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321 [01:57:11] <MarioMey> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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324 [01:58:06] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: try it with -v
325 [01:58:21] <MarioMey> jmcnaught: it says the same.
326 [01:58:28] <MarioMey> Nothing new.
327 [01:58:59] <MarioMey> Can I reset that soundcard...?
328 [01:59:04] <jmcnaught> MarioMey: full disclosure i've
never used jackd and don't spend a lot of time configuring
soundcards. Do you get that same error if you use the slot number
instead of the name?
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330 [01:59:22] <MarioMey> Yes.
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442 [03:33:08] <mutante> Unpacking libsystemd0:i386 (232-25) over
(231-4) ...
443 [03:33:15] <mutante>
/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-bECp7I/00-udev_232-25_i386.deb
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445 [03:34:05] <mutante> and it all FAILS.. spectacular
446 [03:34:34] <mutante> systemd and udev break it each other..
is it at least a common thing ?
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448 [03:37:18] <jmcnaught> mutante: it's probably not a
common thing to go frm 231-4 to 232-25…
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450 [03:38:03] <mutante> because it's been broken for that
long :?
451 [03:38:19] <mutante> i think it's because it's a
kernel version ending in -cloud
452 [03:38:33] <mutante> blames the provider of this VM then
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454 [03:38:53] <jmcnaught> mutante: what is the kernel version?
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457 [03:39:05] <jmcnaught> and is it a container, or a vm?
458 [03:39:05] <mutante> 3.4.0-cloud
459 [03:39:18] <mutante> that seems old
460 [03:39:32] <jmcnaught> that doesn't sound new enough to
run the systemd in stretch
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469 [03:41:24] <mutante> jmcnaught: it's a VM by
hostvirtual.com and now the product i bought seems gone from their
page :/ i guess i'll have to swtich
470 [03:41:46] <mutante> yes, i got this some time ago as a
jessie and then upgraded
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472 [03:42:09] <kang9> How to test ethernet cable
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477 [03:43:12] <mel00010> kang9: That doesn't seem to be a
question relating to debian... I don't even know a channel you
could ask that question. You should try Google.
478 [03:43:19] <mutante> kang9: there are testers for it for
under 10 bucks on Amazon
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481 [03:43:50] <kang9> mutante I don't have testers
isn't there any other way to Check it
482 [03:44:01] <BBroad> anyone know a website I can curl to get
my IPv6 address?
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484 [03:44:27] <mutante> kang9: plug it into your laptop and the
router, turn off wifi, see if you have internet :p
485 [03:44:44] <abrotman> BBroad: with or without some grep,etc
magic?
486 [03:44:47] <Dagger> BBroad: ip6.me, if you don't mind
picking it out of HTML
487 [03:44:52] <Dagger> although it should just be in
`ifconfig`/`ip a`
488 [03:44:55] <kang9> I don't have wired Internet
connection mutante
489 [03:45:06] <kang9> I have Router and laptop though
490 [03:46:05] <BBroad> abrotman: grep magic is fine
491 [03:46:10] <mutante> kang9: soo, plug it into the router?
don't tell me there are routers now without ethernet ports...
but maybe it's Apple hardware then nothing surprises me anymore
492 [03:46:21] <BBroad> Dagger: Thank you!
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498 [03:48:48] <kang9> Router has ethernet port mutante
499 [03:49:08] <mutante> BBroad: wget -O - -q icanhazip.com
500 [03:49:16] <mutante> shows me v6 :)
501 [03:49:20] <mutante> and nothing around it
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505 [03:50:20] <mutante> kang9: so you have a port and you have a
cable and you are still wondering how use them?
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507 [03:50:37] <BBroad> mutante: thanks even better!
508 [03:50:52] <mutante> :)
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511 [03:51:45] <Dagger> I was going to suggest icanhazip.com, but
they don't show the address in canonical format... which is a
bit bizarre, but also dumb so I figured I'd avoid mentioning
them
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513 [03:52:10] <kang9> I never used router mutante
514 [03:52:19] <jmcnaught> mutante: i try to avoid
openvz/virtuozzo container style VPSs in favour of ones that are
actual virtual machines, such as KVM, Xen VPSs
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516 [03:53:16] <mutante> jmcnaught: i was under the impression
that is what i have.. i think they just stopped offering them now
517 [03:54:31] <mutante> dmidecode says "# No SMBIOS nor DMI
entry point found, sorry.
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521 [03:55:22] <mutante> kang9: just plug the cable into your
laptop and the router and see if you get an IP via DHCP
522 [03:56:00] <kang9> What's dhcp mutante
523 [03:56:07] <kang9> Is it software?
524 [03:56:23] <kang9> Do I need internet connection to check it?
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527 [03:57:25] <mutante> kang9: sorry, i think it's getting
too offtopic, if you dont know that then better to buy a cable
tester.
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530 [03:59:27] <kang9> You have a chance to save my 4usd
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546 [04:10:12] <dgriffi> could I get someone to look at
replaced-url
547 [04:10:13] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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588 [04:44:31] <vyadhaka> I am shopping for a cheap laptop for
uni, will be running debian any suggestions
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590 [04:47:18] <tx> thinkpad off ebay
591 [04:47:36] <dvs> seconded
592 [04:47:56] <Telex9> third
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595 [04:50:04] <vyadhaka> I like thinkpads but the batteries from
the used ones dont last long, I dont want to carry a charger every
day, thats why I was thinking of buying a new one that gives 8hrs+
runtime
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598 [04:51:17] <dvs> Then go for an Asus.
599 [04:51:55] <vyadhaka> I did not know Asus made cheap laptops,
or is it Acer?
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603 [04:54:52] <vyadhaka> is it possible to do boot environments
(like in Freebsd) with btrfs on debian?
604 [04:55:09] <dvs> NOT AN ACER! DON'T GET THOSE!
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607 [04:56:45] <mentor> Looking for any clue about the softhsm
(opensdnssec) 1 → 2 migration process. I've read the
documentation, and it leaves me without even a concrete question to
start from.
608 [04:56:57] <vyadhaka> dvs: Any reason why, poor build or
driver issues? I will be going with best bang for buck, my main
criteria is 8+hrs battery time. everything else is flexible,
609 [04:57:13] <dvs> vyadhaka, poor build quality
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612 [04:58:24] <vyadhaka> dvs: I dont have the mula to go for top
of the line, it will have to do if it has the battery time and
decent specs
613 [04:58:29] <hvpc>
replaced-url
614 [04:59:26] <tharkun> Since when is dmesg a security risk not
to be performed by a regular user. On 9.0 it can only be done by
root :(
615 [04:59:55] <tharkun> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed:
Operation not permitted
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622 [05:03:47] <mentor> I don't think it's unreasonable
for users to not be able to read kernel debug output
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624 [05:04:21] <tharkun> On 8.8 mount /media/usb mounted any usb
dongle stuck into a usb port now you don't have dmesg, and no
way of regular users to mount a simple usb
625 [05:05:00] <tharkun> mentor: for like forever dmesg has been
a regular user way of finding out how to mount a usb device. It is
now gone.
626 [05:05:25] <mentor> Regular users shouldn't be able to
mount thinks without going through a policy layer, either
627 [05:05:52] <mentor> It's, like, a security hole or
somehting
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631 [05:06:21] <tharkun> mentor: Enlighten me on the way to mount
a usb device on a headless machine without root privilidges.
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633 [05:07:38] <mentor> tharkun, Is this a media player of some
sort?
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635 [05:08:02] <tharkun> a regular usb device which holds
information. Nothing else.
636 [05:09:11] <friiq> tharkun: check dmesg for the device name
637 [05:09:22] <mentor> …
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639 [05:09:29] <friiq> "/dev/sdx"
640 [05:09:57] <friiq> "mount /dev/sdx /directory"
641 [05:10:39] <mentor> Well, your use case is unclear, but
I'm assuming this is some sort of user media access, in which
case I would set the machine to auto mount USB filesystems with
appropriate filesystems with appropriate user filesystem options in
an appropriate user media directory
642 [05:11:06] <mentor> tharkun, /dev/ is usually user readable
too
643 [05:11:38] <mentor> Also, I'm pretty sure that new
filesystem volumes are announced on various system information buses
644 [05:11:50] <tharkun> mount is not user executable now and
/dev/sdx is an uncertainty at this point in time.
645 [05:12:08] <tharkun> mentor: How is that user readable?
646 [05:12:36] <mentor> tharkun, How is what user readable?
647 [05:12:51] <tharkun> the bus you mention. Which is unknown to
me.
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649 [05:13:45] <mentor> tharkun, You do understand why mounting
things has a security boundary around it?
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651 [05:14:01] <mentor> tharkun, Well, dbus and systemd are some,
but that was an aside
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653 [05:14:58] <tharkun> mentor: If you can mount them on gui it
has the same security as on cli, now cli has become a second class
citizen.
654 [05:16:01] <mentor> tharkun, OK, so you're actually
looking to complain rather than find a solution?
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656 [05:16:38] <tharkun> mentor: I need a solution asap the
complains are just impressions of me due to simple frustration.
657 [05:16:48] <mentor> tharkun, What is your use case?
658 [05:16:54] <jrmu> I couldn't find anyone seeding
torrents for the less popular versions of debian (xfce, x86)
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660 [05:17:10] <tharkun> I have data on several usb dongles that
I need transfered to a machine.
661 [05:17:24] <tharkun> !tell jrmu about jigdo
662 [05:18:00] <tharkun> jrmu: It is the best way to get thos
"weird" versions ;P
663 [05:18:05] <mentor> tharkun, So, you have a headless machine
to which you have only user access via (ssh?) on which you need to
mount a USB mass storage device, once?
664 [05:18:56] <jrmu> tharkun: Ah, didn't know debian was
still using jigdo
665 [05:18:58] <tharkun> mentor: I have console access no ssh and
10 128Gb dongles to feed to this machine.
666 [05:19:07] <tharkun> jrmu: :)
667 [05:19:52] <mentor> tharkun, Does the machine admin. want you
doing this/have you asked the machine admin?
668 [05:20:10] <tharkun> mentor: Is that relevant for the
solution?
669 [05:20:43] <mentor> Yes
670 [05:21:00] <tharkun> The admin will be fired by me when he
gets his butt over here.
671 [05:21:16] <mentor> It's perfectly reasonable that the
admin may have disabled mounting USB devices
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673 [05:22:14] <mentor> tharkun, Try to imagine I have no idea
who you are or what setup you're dealing with
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675 [05:22:28] <vyadhaka> hvpc: that xiomiair is impressive to
say the least and at a very reasonable price, I will have to find
the cheapest source now
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679 [05:22:49] <mentor> tharkun, Try using "udisksctl"
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689 [05:26:03] <jrmu> tharkun: so suppose I go to this mirror
here:
replaced-url
690 [05:26:22] <jrmu> for debian stretch
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693 [05:27:00] <tharkun> mentor: You are right. I am under some
pressure and wasn't polite at you. An apologie.
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700 [05:29:05] <mentor> tharkun, Actually, I don't think you
were particularly rude. You were, however, complaining. For the
avoidance of doubt, I was providing you with information as fast as
I figured it out.
701 [05:30:08] <dgriffi> could I get someone to please comment on
bug #866965?
702 [05:30:09] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
703 [05:30:19] <dgriffi> dosemu is unusable
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705 [05:31:54] <mentor> dgriffi, It could do with strace output
anyway
706 [05:33:13] <dgriffi> mentor: 360,000 lines...
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708 [05:34:16] <mentor> dgriffi, I think, technically, the
justification "renders package unusable" should be read as
"… all standard use cases" or similar
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710 [05:35:06] <dgriffi> mentor: well, you can tool around the
simulated filesystem, but if you want to actually run anything,
it'll crash
711 [05:35:37] <tharkun> mentor: Works like a charm It will be a
long night someone will be very greatful with you.
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713 [05:37:01] <mentor> dgriffi, I just mean, not necessarily
"renders package unusable for people with this kernel
version". Consider this to be informational only.
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716 [05:38:09] <mentor> dgriffi, That's a number of lines.
Any smaller output you can get? If not, attach it anyway.
717 [05:38:44] <mentor> dgriffi, It's good to remove excuses
to work on other bugs
718 [05:38:44] <dgriffi> I pared it down to 7000 lines if I cut
everything before the first command
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720 [05:39:56] <dgriffi> hmm... only 450 kilobytes or so
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722 [05:40:38] <dgriffi> mentor: will 7035 lines be okay to not
provoke that "excuse to work on other bugs"?
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730 [05:43:08] <mentor> dgriffi, It at least shows willing to
provide feedback, which is helpful, I think
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732 [05:43:31] <mentor> dgriffi, You understand that in terms of
this bug, I have no special standing, right?
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734 [05:43:33] <dgriffi> I think I can cut it down a bit more by
cutting down autoexec.bat and config.sys
735 [05:43:37] <dgriffi> yes
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756 [05:54:58] <mentor> dgriffi, This seems to be the only
relevant thing in kernel history since the original bug:
replaced-url
757 [05:56:34] <dgriffi> mentor: so you think it might be a 32
versus 64 problem?
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765 [05:59:43] <mentor> dgriffi, Yes, it is specifically a 32-bit
vs 64-bit problem regarding what context is saved and restored going
in and out of kernel mode
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767 [06:00:10] <dgriffi> hmm... I suppose I shall try installing
the 32-bit version of dosemu and see how that works.
768 [06:00:33] <mentor> I suspect it's a kernel architecture
problem
769 [06:02:03] <dgriffi> I posted the update to my bug report
that you suggested I do
770 [06:02:30] <mentor> It might also be worthwhile testing with
different kernels, I suppose
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776 [06:05:42] <dgriffi> mentor: with the i386 version, dosemu
freezes.
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884 [07:31:25] <hansp1985> hi all, i have maybe a stupid
question, i did a reinstall yesterday and my mounted volumes are not
visible in the /media directory. any hints ?
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890 [07:35:03] <jmcnaught> hansp1985: which desktop environment
are you using? is there anything in /media? is there any information
from "journalctl -u udisks2.service" or "systemctl
status udisks2.service" ?
891 [07:35:27] <hansp1985> i'm running openmediavault
892 [07:35:42] <hansp1985> based on debian. :)
893 [07:35:54] <hansp1985> no journal files were found
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895 [07:36:06] <towo^work> omv is not debian
896 [07:36:23] <towo^work> so you have to ask them
897 [07:36:31] <hansp1985> debian 8
898 [07:36:35] <towo^work> no
899 [07:36:36] <hansp1985> that's why i tought ...
900 [07:36:40] <towo^work> openmediavault
901 [07:36:47] <hansp1985> oh ok
902 [07:36:48] <hansp1985> damned :)
903 [07:36:48] <towo^work> that is not debian
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905 [07:37:01] <hansp1985> tought maybe getting a quicker answer
here
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907 [07:37:08] <hansp1985> something screwed up my install after
power loss
908 [07:37:31] <hansp1985> had to reinstall the whole thing,
spent 5hrs trying to recover it ... got this after reinstallation :(
nothing anymore in /media
909 [07:37:41] <jmcnaught> hansp1985: if that distro's not
working out for you, you can install Debian and then you get access
to this support channel
910 [07:38:07] <hansp1985> i'm used to omv and i like it.
will see what they say, thx anyway ;)
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912 [07:38:17] <hansp1985> just unsure what is wrong now
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917 [07:45:36] <jmcnaught> hansp1985: you could also try asking
on ##linux
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921 [07:47:54] <ShalokShalom> hi there
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923 [07:48:00] <ShalokShalom> there is a way to boot from the
*hard drive* into the live mode
924 [07:48:03] <ShalokShalom> you put the ISO somwhere into the
file system, together with GRUB
925 [07:48:18] <ShalokShalom> can anybody decribe/link me to
further descriptions?
926 [07:48:55] <ShalokShalom> Google spams me with different
issues, like how to repair GRUB on the hard drive with a live system
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928 [07:50:03] <jmcnaught> ,i grub-imageboot
929 [07:50:04] <judd> Package grub-imageboot (admin, extra) in
stretch/amd64: boot iso, harddisk and floppy images with grub2 and
syslinux memdisk. Version: 0.6; Size: 4.3k; Installed: 42k
930 [07:50:15] <jmcnaught> ShalokShalom: ^ i haven't used it
though
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932 [07:50:24] <ShalokShalom> thanks
933 [07:50:35] <ShalokShalom> only GRUB can do that?
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936 [07:50:49] <ShalokShalom> is GRUB now suitable for UEFI?
937 [07:51:08] <ShalokShalom> thanks a lot
938 [07:51:10] <jmcnaught> grub works with UEFI since jessie
939 [07:51:45] <ShalokShalom> thanks
940 [07:51:49] <jmcnaught> (if you boot the debian install in
UEFI)
941 [07:52:02] <ShalokShalom> i heard there are issues with GRUB
and UEFI in general
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948 [07:52:44] <jmcnaught> there will probably always be issues
with everything, but i have been successfully booting with
grub-efi-amd64 package (as opposed to grub-pc for BIOS) since jessie
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952 [07:53:28] <Canucktux> >there will probably always be
issues with everything
953 [07:53:28] <Canucktux> Computers_irl
954 [07:53:52] <jmcnaught> converting an existing system could be
tricky, you'd need to boot from UEFI ISO image, set up a
chroot, then replace grub-pc with the efi one
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962 [07:58:52] <hansp1985> jmcnaught: found the disks @
/srv/.......
963 [07:59:08] <hansp1985> strange new location but it will work
for me. only to setup downloader for htpc stuff :)
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967 [07:59:23] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell hansp1985 about based on
debian
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971 [08:00:01] <hansp1985> lol :)
972 [08:01:18] <jmcnaught> hansp1985: other distros are offtopic
here. Debian desktops do not automount to /srv, you are better off
getting support from the appropriate channel whether that means your
distro's channel, or using Debian and coming back here
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975 [08:04:00] <goiken> updated jessie > stretch yesterday. I
have the feeling that booting times now went from ~10s to ~30s. any
hints on where I could investigate?
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978 [08:05:19] <jmcnaught> goiken: use "systemd-analyze
blame"
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981 [08:06:46] <goiken> jmcnaught looks all reasonable…
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983 [08:07:26] <jmcnaught> goiken: there's nothing that
shows a long time? the output should be sorted
984 [08:07:37] <goiken> 8s for NetworkManager-wait-online.service
and over a minute for a remote HD, but I already get a desktop by
that time…
985 [08:08:00] <goiken> 8s is about the time it takes, till I see
something X-like
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989 [08:09:33] <goiken> that’d be my guess: the new X or
mate hangs up on something for ~10-20s because I see the busy-cursor
for quite a while before I can do anything which wasn’t the
case before.
990 [08:10:44] <jmcnaught> goiken: whatever your display manager
is you can check its service's journal with "journalctl -u
gdm" (for example)
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992 [08:11:10] <goiken> jmcnaught no entries
993 [08:11:34] <jmcnaught> goiken: you need to be root, or a
member of the sytemd-journal group
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996 [08:12:04] <goiken> jmcnaught yes. same result
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998 [08:13:31] <jmcnaught> goiken: are you using gdm? what does
the Loaded: line say from "systemctl status
display-manager"
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1000 [08:15:31] <goiken> jmcnaught I think, it’s lightdm.
looking at `journalctl -u lightdm` which also looks reasonable.
I’m looking for large time-gaps in the logs, right? I see none
there.
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1003 [08:17:56] <jmcnaught> goiken: are you using an automatic
login feature, or are you talking about the delay until you get a
login prompt in lightdm?
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1006 [08:18:31] <goiken> jmcnaught yes. I set up autologin ages
ago. don’t remember where, though ;-)
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1009 [08:19:24] <jmcnaught> goiken: also check "journalctl
--user" then
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1011 [08:19:57] <goiken> jmcnaught no entries
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1017 [08:22:15] <jmcnaught> goiken: ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
is the new place for Xorg logs in stretch, unless for some reason
your still running xorg as root in which case you would check
/var/log/Xorg.0.log still
1018 [08:22:44] <jmcnaught> ^your^you\'re
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1020 [08:23:17] <goiken> jmcnaught ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
doesn’t exist. neither for root nor for my user.
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1022 [08:24:46] <jmcnaught> goiken: and in /var/log?
1023 [08:24:54] <goiken> /var/log/Xorg.0.log < looks good. all
done in ~ 1.5s
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1026 [08:25:39] <jmcnaught> goiken: what version of xorg do you
have installed? "apt-cache policy xorg"
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1029 [08:26:17] <goiken> jmcnaught 1:7.7+19
1030 [08:26:49] <jmcnaught> goiken: okay, maybe lightdm
doesn't support running X as non-root user
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1036 [08:29:02] <jmcnaught> goiken: you can look in
/etc/xdg/autostart/ for stuff that might be autostarting, keep in
mind that some of those .desktop files have NotShownIn= and
OnlyShownIn= directives to prevent their use in some desktops
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1038 [08:30:41] <goiken> jmcnaught that’s full of stuff.
what am I looking for?
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1042 [08:32:16] <jmcnaught> goiken: look through the stuff that
might autostart depending on your DE, see if anything stands out.
otherwise i don't know where your DE may or may not log to. If
it were GNOME there'd be a bunch of information in the user
journal
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1045 [08:32:51] <goiken> jmcnaught my DE is mate
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1048 [08:34:11] <freeone> I'm on debian 9
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1053 [08:40:45] <freeone> I'm in /home/name directory
1054 [08:40:49] <freeone> its mounted as:
1055 [08:40:55] <freeone> /dev/sda1 on /home type ext4
(rw,relatime,data=ordered)
1056 [08:41:01] <freeone> and when I run youtube-dl it says:
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1058 [08:41:06] <freeone> WARNING: Assuming --restrict-filenames
since file system encoding cannot encode all characters. Set the
LC_ALL environment variable to fix this
1059 [08:41:11] <freeone> but when I do:
1060 [08:41:15] <freeone> export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
1061 [08:41:21] <freeone> it says:
1062 [08:41:26] <freeone> bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot
change locale (en_US.UTF-8): No such file or directory
1063 [08:41:30] <freeone> and this is the output of "locale
-a"
1064 [08:41:36] <freeone>
replaced-url
1065 [08:41:41] <freeone> and this is the output of
"locale"
1066 [08:41:46] <freeone>
replaced-url
1067 [08:41:51] <freeone> what to do ?
1068 [08:42:02] <jmcnaught> freeone: "dpkg-reconfigure
locales"
1069 [08:42:23] <freeone> you sure ?
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1072 [08:43:23] <jmcnaught> freeone: ? make sure you select all of
the locales you want to be generated, and set a default locale
1073 [08:44:23] <dgriffi> how can I install a 3.x kernel on
Stretch?
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1079 [08:47:25] <freeone> allright, thanks
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1086 [08:49:07] <julius> hi
1087 [08:49:13] <julius> why is there no
linux-headers-4.8.0-1-amd64 ?
1088 [08:49:22] <julius> i need to build a virtualbox module for
this kernel
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1091 [08:49:59] <julius> 4.8.0-1-amd64 is my current running
kernel
1092 [08:50:03] <jmcnaught> dgriffi: you could install a kernel
from jessie but you'll likely need to use pinning to keep it at
that version. Caution if you use systemd some 3.x kernels don't
have all of the features required
1093 [08:50:27] <jmcnaught> ,kernels
1094 [08:50:28] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-1-686
(4.11.6-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686
(4.9.30-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2);
wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1);
wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
1095 [08:51:01] <jmcnaught> julius: stretch/stable includes 4.9,
why are you on 4.8?
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1100 [08:53:52] <dgriffi> jmcnaught: I just need it to run long
enough to prove or disprove a suspicion about dosemu
1101 [08:55:08] <dgriffi> jmcnaught: my suspicion is that
somewhere between 3.16 and 4.9, something in the kernel broke that
dosemu was depending on
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1104 [08:57:09] <jmcnaught> dgriffi: do it in a throwaway VM then,
you don't need to worry about pinning if you're never
going to upgrade it
1105 [08:57:35] <dgriffi> jmcnaught: exactly
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1117 [09:02:01] <goiken> I think now that it might be the remote
hd after all that messes up the boot-times… it seems to mess
with the file manager of mate, which waits on it to mount to deliver
a desktop. seems to give up though, before it actually mounts
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1120 [09:02:34] <goiken> so how would I fix sshfs taking >90s
to mount something?
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1124 [09:03:38] <jmcnaught> goiken: how do you have it configured,
what starts it?
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1126 [09:04:06] <goiken> jmcnaught fstab starts it
1127 [09:04:31] <goiken>
sshfs#goiken@bananapi.localdomain:/media/data
/media/goiken/bananadata fuse user,allow_other,_netdev 0 0
1128 [09:05:29] <goiken> once it’s mounted, it works like a
charm. no noticable delays…
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1133 [09:07:15] <jmcnaught> goiken: i don't know what caja(?)
might be waiting for, but what happens if you add "noauto"
to the line in fstab? Will caja open it on demand?
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1139 [09:11:18] <goiken> jmanfatty noauto seems to fix the boot at
least. but having it mounted automatically was kind of the point of
adding it to fstab ;-)
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1141 [09:11:41] <jmcnaught> goiken: caja does not automount it
when you navigate to it?
1142 [09:11:51] <goiken> jmcnaught it does.
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1144 [09:12:11] <goiken> I guess that’s good enough, too.
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1146 [09:13:12] <jmcnaught> goiken: i don't use sshfs but you
could look for it in the logs, maybe it's timing on on
something you can easily fix
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1152 [09:18:44] <goiken> jmcnaught nah… I guess I’m
happy enough now. thx though.
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1156 [09:20:01] <jmcnaught> goiken: you're welcome ☺
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1218 [09:57:38] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me configure dovecot
and postfix? I've tried many things and I simply can't
make it work...
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1225 [10:00:58] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: you can ask about specific
issues you're having. is this your first time setting up a mail
server?
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1244 [10:09:46] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: yes, it's my first
time.
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1248 [10:10:38] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: mail is pretty tough,
there are a lot of parts you need to configure properly if you want
your messages to be accepted by other mail servers, especially ones
for major services like gmail and outlook
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1251 [10:11:13] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: can you help me with all
that?
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1254 [10:12:38] <FinalX> I know this sounds harsh, but if you
don't know how mail works and don't know how to set up
mailserver software, you probably shouldn't be running it or
you won't be able to do what needs doing to maintain a proper
mailserver.. with all consequences following it.
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1257 [10:13:18] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: the best thing i can do is
recommend that you don't plan on having a mail server running
today. Read as much as you can about SMTP, and your MTA, and the
documentation for all of the other tools that you use.
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1259 [10:13:35] <FinalX> I'd first start learning the
protocol and set up a receiving server (postfix) that's
firewalled off, and go step by step. Dovecot to read the mail would
be last.
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1263 [10:15:01] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: if you want to set up a
mail server because you find it interesting and want to learn the
skill, then go for it, just be prepared to learn quite a bit before
your server is operational. If you just need mail services, consider
getting it from a mail provider, even a shared hosting account is
better than a poorly configured mail server that ends up on
blacklists
1264 [10:15:28] <KMGTB> Hey guys, i have set up a small network
with a debian server with two network cards. eth0 is the connection
to the fritzbox (internet) and the other card is the connection to a
small network of clients. On the debian server runs a DNS and a DHCP
server. Now i want to setup a gateway on the debian server to give
the clients the possebility to surf o
1265 [10:15:28] <KMGTB> n the internt
1266 [10:15:56] <KMGTB> I tried some howtos but it didn't
work.
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1271 [10:16:56] <KMGTB> Does anyone of you a good guide to setup
the gateway?
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1273 [10:17:10] <KMGTB> *know
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1275 [10:17:30] <shtrb> KMGTB , what dhcp server ?
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1277 [10:17:35] <shtrb> isc-dhcp-server ?
1278 [10:17:41] <KMGTB> yes
1279 [10:18:06] <shtrb> just add gateway in the router list (and
remember the firewall )
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1281 [10:18:40] <KMGTB> you mean dhcpd.conf?
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1283 [10:19:42] <shtrb> sorry , "option routers frizbox"
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1285 [10:19:57] <shtrb>
replaced-url
1286 [10:22:28] <shtrb> *don't forget to allow the traffic
(you can use NAT , you can use a bridge etc)
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1289 [10:23:38] <KMGTB> I think NAT is the thing i have to set up.
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1298 [10:28:11] <shtrb> something like that
replaced-url
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1300 [10:28:47] <shtrb> KMGTB , but don't even think about
running that without understanding or checking it
1301 [10:29:20] <KMGTB> yes, thank you
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1354 [11:02:21] <plutto> does anyone have any methods of hacking
gmail account?
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1356 [11:02:40] <Ke> yes
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1358 [11:02:45] <Ke> that's offtopic!
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1360 [11:03:11] <BenNZ> plutto: best place to ask is at your local
law enforcement agency , they will provide you with all the help you
need
1361 [11:03:15] <tcp_j> Hi, any expert on python packaging in
stretch? i have some troubles with upgrading to stretch
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1363 [11:03:38] <Ke> tcp_j: just ask
1364 [11:04:14] <tcp_j> I have dh-python, py3dist-overrides, but i
cannot get packages from py3dist-overrides installed
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1366 [11:04:37] <tcp_j> i have {$python3:Depends} in control file
1367 [11:05:14] <tcp_j> everything works on jessie, but not on
stretch
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1377 [11:10:46] <Leoneof> hi, is it possible to fix grub by
using/booting netinstall?
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1382 [11:11:50] <tsarompy> :y
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1386 [11:14:13] <tsarompy> hai Madda
1387 [11:14:29] <Madda> hi
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1410 [11:25:43] <shtrb> Did anyone here aware of any issues with
system 233-10 ? (I know it's in sid but still )
1411 [11:26:16] <petn-randall> !tell shtrb -about ask
1412 [11:26:39] <shtrb> I wish to be sure if I should avoid it or
not for now
1413 [11:26:44] <tsarompy> im on testing and i have a kernel
hiccup at boot but nothin major
1414 [11:26:47] <tsarompy> cant speak for sid tho
1415 [11:27:01] <towo^work> no problems in sid on my side
1416 [11:27:20] <petn-randall> shtrb: There's probably a
dozen issues a day being open and closed in systemd. You have to be
a tad more specific.
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1418 [11:28:13] <shtrb> I'm talking about the debian package
(change) 233-10 not upstream (if there any special issues that can
be more smelly than usual)
1419 [11:28:53] <petn-randall> shtrb: If you want to find out,
have a look in the bug tracker.
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1425 [11:31:48] <shtrb> petn-randall , that was the idea to ask
here if someone was hit by something or is aware of something
(#debian sometimes have better track than the bug tracker)
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1428 [11:32:50] <shtrb> thanks you towo^work and tsarompy
1429 [11:32:57] <petn-randall> shtrb: I'd ask in #debian-next
on irc.oftc.net, you'll have a lot more testing/sid users over
there.
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1431 [11:33:54] <tsarompy> :*
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1434 [11:35:19] <L3gacy> taco taco nacho burrito
1435 [11:35:26] <L3gacy> Never computer while hungry
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1446 [11:40:34] <jask_> hi, I have strange problem, which is
driving me almost crazy, in my work I use many remote virtual
machines so I use agent forwarding a lot, yet on one jessie machine
ssh client refuses to use my forwarded agent and searches for keys
localy, I have this problem only on this one jessie remote, others
work as expected
1447 [11:41:27] <jask_> jask@jessie-jask:~$ echo
"$SSH_AUTH_SOCK"
1448 [11:41:27] <jask_> /tmp/ssh-5upvlAkLpT/agent.496
1449 [11:41:27] <jask_> jask@jessie-jask:~$ ls -l
/tmp/ssh-5upvlAkLpT/agent.496
1450 [11:41:27] <jask_> srwxr-xr-x 1 jask jask 0 čec 11 11:34
/tmp/ssh-5upvlAkLpT/agent.496
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1452 [11:41:59] <jask_> jask@jessie-jask:~$ ssh wheezy-jask.dev
1453 [11:41:59] <jask_> Host key verification failed.
1454 [11:41:59] <jask_> jask@jessie-jask:~$ ssh wheezy-jask.dev -v
1455 [11:41:59] <jask_> OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3, OpenSSL
1.0.2l 25 May 2017
1456 [11:41:59] <jask_> debug1: Reading configuration data
/etc/ssh/ssh_config
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1458 [11:42:06] <petn-randall> !paste
1459 [11:42:06] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1476 [11:47:14] <superlinux> I need help in NUT (Network UPS
Tools) . which channel it is here?
1477 [11:47:26] <shtrb> It depend if try here
1478 [11:47:50] <julius> jmcnaught: had trouble booting with newer
kernel versions...somehow the encrypted lvm wasnt detected
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1481 [11:48:00] <superlinux> do any of you here in #debian know
anything in NUT?
1482 [11:48:00] <shtrb> I do have encrypted LVM
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1484 [11:48:12] <shtrb> I *used* it
1485 [11:48:35] <shtrb> thanks for the hint
1486 [11:48:37] <julius> jmcnaught: so is there no way to get
kernel heades for 4.8.0 anymore?
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1488 [11:49:20] <shtrb> julius , was the encrypted lvm issue an
answer to my question
1489 [11:49:26] <shtrb> superlinux , I used it
1490 [11:49:45] <julius> shtrb: no....i started with jmcnaught...
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1492 [11:50:30] <shtrb> if it doesn't start on boot or does
not recognize the device, it is probably systemd being nasty you
need to manually start nut-driver before the server
1493 [11:50:43] <shtrb> superlinux ^
1494 [11:50:58] <superlinux> shtrb, aha ok great. so my question
is simple. in /etc/nut/upsd.conf how can I make the LISTEN setting
be "listen to all interfaces available" ?
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1496 [11:52:17] <superlinux> or "listen to all
addresses"
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1500 [11:53:07] <shtrb> I think you can try "LISTEN 0.0.0.0
3493"
1501 [11:53:11] <shtrb> but that is not a good idea
1502 [11:53:27] <superlinux> well it's local internal in-home
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1504 [11:53:43] <superlinux> so security is not a problem here
1505 [11:53:56] <shtrb> superlinux , I have seen routers that
exposed your internet network to "support"
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1507 [11:54:05] <shtrb> *ISP provided ones
1508 [11:55:04] <shtrb> the letter S in IOT stand for security ,
you may have many IOT devices at home ...
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1510 [11:56:04] <superlinux> shtrb, I mean I am behind NAT..
nothing can be routed without portforwarding
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1513 [11:56:44] <shtrb> superlinux , some ISP provided routers
give access to your internal network without you knowing about it
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1515 [11:57:03] <shtrb> that is how they can "assit" you
with your local network or wifi without you giveing them p/f
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1517 [11:57:44] <superlinux> shtrb, I will revise the configs of
the routers but I think I disabled it.
1518 [11:57:54] <shtrb> you can't
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1521 [11:58:16] <superlinux> yes I can.
1522 [11:59:10] <shtrb> I'm telling you as ex-techsupport
person , you do not have access to that configs , it's blocked
, and unless you used a different firmware you can't block that
1523 [11:59:18] <shtrb> *as an a
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1530 [12:00:11] <teraflops> ISP having access to the internal
client lan looks barely legal
1531 [12:00:26] <shtrb> it's somewhere in the contract , and
it is a "feature"
1532 [12:00:48] <shtrb> idiotic , a security nightmare but they
sell that service
1533 [12:01:04] <shtrb> and that is even before the TR-069 and
auto flashing firmwares
1534 [12:01:07] <teraflops> at least here I don't think such
feature exists
1535 [12:01:18] <teraflops> shtrb: that's different
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1537 [12:01:37] <shtrb> but even if you didn't buy that
feature it is default installed
1538 [12:02:03] <shtrb> teraflops , not all ISPs , some do and
some don't
1539 [12:02:52] <teraflops> np.
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1550 [12:08:45] <Rudde> Hey guys
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1601 [12:39:22] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
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1625 [12:50:42] <Cl0udN9ne> what browsers aare there in stretch?
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1628 [12:51:09] <Cl0udN9ne> ,v midori
1629 [12:51:10] <judd> Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch:
0.5.11-ds1-4+b1
1630 [12:51:35] <Cl0udN9ne> i cant think of anything else
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1632 [12:52:28] <metax> pomidori
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1643 [12:55:21] <ksk> Hey. Can you recommend a software to provide
a "backup your windows client" thingy? I know I could
start by setting up samba, and then add this and that, but is there
maybe a more full-stack application for this approach? thanks! (Does
not have to be SMB)
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1648 [12:57:19] <Ke> Cl0udN9ne: chromium, konqueror, firefox,
epiphany, dillo, *links, w3m...
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1652 [12:59:34] <loeken> Cl0udN9ne, ice weasel?
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1654 [12:59:56] <Cl0udN9ne> ok
1655 [12:59:58] <Ke> iceweasel is only an alias to firefox anymore
1656 [13:00:05] <loeken> ,v iceweasel
1657 [13:00:06] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- wheezy:
38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1;
jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1;
jessie-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; stretch:
45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1;
wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security:
52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-
1658 [13:00:07] <judd> security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid:
52.2.0esr-2; buster: 52.2.0esr-2
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1660 [13:00:17] <loeken> neat
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1664 [13:01:57] <JSR-89> Anybody reads me?
1665 [13:02:27] <voidie> no.
1666 [13:02:35] <voidie> I read her
1667 [13:02:45] <JSR-89> Oh, that's a problem so.
1668 [13:02:48] * voidie starts leaning back of enjoyment.
1669 [13:03:08] <voidie> have you ever tought, that you and her
are not the same?
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1671 [13:03:17] <JSR-89> I should format my disk and reinstall
Debian.
1672 [13:03:31] <voidie> if you can't handle dual boot yes
1673 [13:03:53] <JSR-89> Thanks for the information BTW
1674 [13:03:57] <JSR-89> lol
1675 [13:04:16] <voidie> topkek
1676 [13:04:23] <voidie> np
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1678 [13:04:34] <voidie> i do whatever i can to help myself
1679 [13:04:38] <voidie> im so selfish
1680 [13:04:40] <voidie> kekek
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1684 [13:05:46] <JSR-89> What is "topkek"?
1685 [13:06:15] <voidie> i once met a hacker
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1688 [13:06:35] <voidie> kek = lel
1689 [13:06:37] <voidie> lel = lol
1690 [13:06:59] <JSR-89> oh ok
1691 [13:07:04] <voidie> my understanding is limited, because i
like bounderies
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1698 [13:07:41] <metax> geg
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1700 [13:07:52] <metax> top prek
1701 [13:08:13] <jelly> !offtopic
1702 [13:08:13] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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1704 [13:09:39] <forcerecon> when I do an nmap scan of my local
network I have noticed that there are some open ports..
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1712 [13:14:39] <herebro> 5275190012302499|04|2021|370|UNITED
STATES|Julian|Thomas|231 malone circle|Fairburn||30213| VALID
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1714 [13:14:50] <herebro> no need to thank me, thank to allah
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1716 [13:14:55] <bazhang> !ops | herebro
1717 [13:14:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang
complains about: | herebro
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1719 [13:15:08] <bazhang> ah quit, sorry
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1724 [13:17:26] <rotanid> Hello everyone. do you know why
deb.debian.org doesn't work with https for backports, but does
without (and with for the other sources.list entries) ?
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1726 [13:17:55] <rotanid> i just get "size of file ... is not
what the server reported" for this one part of the repo
1727 [13:19:44] <rotanid> crap, works with stretch, but not with
jessie :D
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1729 [13:19:50] <forcerecon> why is port 2601 open for zebra?
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1731 [13:20:20] <jelly> what is zebra?
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1733 [13:20:39] <jelly> rotanid, https is not supported for most
mirrors
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1735 [13:21:54] <rotanid> jelly: well it works with jessie, so it
looks like bug #802617
1736 [13:21:55] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1746 [13:25:55] <forcerecon> jelly: hey there.. exactly.. Zebra is
a software program which handles BGP routing. It is not
“malicious” by itself, though BGP routing can be fed
‘bad’ (incorrectly-formed) data to make the computer do
unexpected things
1747 [13:26:03] <forcerecon> 2601/tcp open zebra syn-ack
1748 [13:26:20] <uwe> greetings, got a not-sure-this-works
question, I want to setup multiple web servers (yes, I know I can
supposidely utilize VirtualHosts) on the same machine, I can do this
by copying the config directory and the startup scripts, but I was
wondering if there is a cleaner way to do it via apt/dpkg and
--prefix or similar, also without resorting to virtualization or
containers ...
1749 [13:26:22] <rotanid> jelly: i was wrong... i meant
"works with stretch" (ans also works with jessie-updates -
but not jessie-backports)
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1752 [13:27:10] <forcerecon> I am also getting confirmation from
shields! Up that port 80 and 81 are open.. however, my router has
all ports closed and I am not running apache..
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1754 [13:28:43] <rotanid> forcerecon: have you also tried nmap
from inside the same network, not with a router in between?
1755 [13:29:10] <jelly> forcerecon, did you look at its
documentation to see whether this is perfectly normal for this
software?
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1760 [13:31:00] <forcerecon> rotanid: not sure what that would
accomplish
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1762 [13:31:22] <rotanid> the router might be intercepting some
ports
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1764 [13:32:01] <forcerecon> jelly: I am not running zebra or
anything on this machine for that manner.. this is defaultish
install of debian 9 with a few apps installed.. Just not sure why
port 80 and 81 are showing open
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1766 [13:32:10] <forcerecon> and I thought zebra was discontinued
in linux but it is still listed on that port when doing an nmap to
the router -vv
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1768 [13:32:52] <rotanid> what does lsof -i -n -P | egrep
"2061|80|81" say?
1769 [13:33:02] <forcerecon> and I do not have remote access to my
router on or even port forwarding
1770 [13:33:04] <rotanid> as i already wrote, maybe the ports
arent open
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1772 [13:33:05] <forcerecon> it is all disabled
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1774 [13:33:37] <rotanid> i often saw this issue with other ports
showing up as open, but that was some router/firewall in between not
the destination machine
1775 [13:34:03] <forcerecon> if it was not OPEN why would online
port scanner show it as open
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1779 [13:34:29] <rotanid> well, if you dont want to read what im
writing, good bye.
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1783 [13:36:08] <BluesKaj> oh my , an easily bruised ego there
1784 [13:37:21] <forcerecon> can anyone else do a nmap to their
router and just verify for me if yours all show the same information
nmap 192.168.x.x or whatever -vv
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1787 [13:39:24] <jelly> forcerecon, does the router run debian or
what?
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1789 [13:40:10] <forcerecon> no.. its just a standard ac wireless
modem from xfinity
1790 [13:40:25] <jelly> ok. Why are you asking about it in here
then
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1792 [13:41:14] <jelly> there's a perfectly nice ##networking
channel if you have a networking issue
1793 [13:41:14] <forcerecon> now I do realize that the router
would be running an web interface internally so you can access it.
but https remote access has been turned off on the router, yet it
still shows port 80 and 81 as being open when doing a remote port
scan
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1795 [13:42:11] <forcerecon> jelly: before I went there I just
wanted to see if this was something internal to debian. I was
checking to see if everyone else has these same open ports
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1799 [13:43:06] <jelly> eh, ports open on your vendor hardware are
a debian issue, unless you're running debian on that as well
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1801 [13:43:15] <jelly> are not* a debian issue
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1803 [13:43:48] <jelly> if I'm accessing my IOT fridge from
debian and seeing open ports, it will still not be a debian issue
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1808 [13:45:19] <forcerecon> jelly: understood.. just not sure why
someone just cant run a simple command and let me know if they see
the same ports open on their debian 9 machine. it takes less than 10
seconds, way more time then all this typing we are doing..
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1811 [13:46:15] <forcerecon> *less
1812 [13:46:19] <jelly> mostly because they're noe at the
computer, and also becuase that request does not make sense at all
1813 [13:46:34] <bazhang> forcerecon, joining ##networking takes
two seconds
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1815 [13:46:44] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, sudo route -n
1816 [13:47:26] <jelly> forcerecon, far as I could tell,
you're not looking for ports open on the debian machine itself,
but on the router
1817 [13:48:29] <boxrick1> Heres a random question about good
practise. I have a binary which is fully self contained. Would it be
better for me to extract it into /opt/APPNAME/BINARY and symbolic
link to somewhere like /usr/bin or would it be absolutely fine to
just dump the binary in /usr/bin/BINARY directly?
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1820 [13:49:10] <jelly> forcerecon, and nmap is an old tool,
widely used, not likely to be broken on every debian 9 and noone
noticing
1821 [13:49:11] <bazhang> boxrick1, whats the app
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1824 [13:49:31] <boxrick1> Well in general, in this particular
instance its hashicorp vault
1825 [13:49:39] <jmcnaught> boxrick1: /usr/bin is for packages
only, you can put it in /usr/local/bin, or somewhere in /opt is fine
too
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1827 [13:49:52] <boxrick1> Ok fair enough
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1832 [13:51:17] <boxrick1> So I will stick it directly in
/usr/local/bin and the PATH is already set so I am good to go
1833 [13:51:20] <forcerecon> I think nmap is just scanning the
network and reporting back information from a targeted host on the
entire local network.. I am trying to understand if the information
that is being sent back is just from the router or what it has found
on the network.. I will head over to networking shortly.. thanks
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1838 [13:52:55] <Parrhesiastes> how can i grep "string"
from a zip-archive, eithe all files in the archive or a speficif
one, whatevers possible
1839 [13:52:58] <Parrhesiastes> (have over 300 files i have to do
this with)
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1841 [13:53:45] <Ben64> not sure if anything like that exists for
zip
1842 [13:54:06] <abrotman> Parrhesiastes: which kind of zip? gzip
or pkzip?
1843 [13:54:15] <Parrhesiastes> zip/maff
1844 [13:54:36] <Parrhesiastes> have to get the urls, and save as
mhtml instead :P
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1846 [13:55:01] <abrotman> I mean, you could extract them to
stdout and grep that way ..
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1851 [13:56:54] <Parrhesiastes> i can? because its an archive, not
just one file
1852 [13:57:28] <abrotman> try it and see.
1853 [13:57:40] <Parrhesiastes> how?
1854 [13:57:43] <abrotman> you're just looking to see if the
zip file holds it, not which file in the zip?
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1856 [13:58:17] <Parrhesiastes> i dont need to know which file,
just the line with string like "Soruce from"
1857 [13:58:40] <abrotman> man unzip, there are a few options that
might help you
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1865 [14:03:14] <Parrhesiastes> 'unzip -c file.maff
*/index.rdf' did the trick :]
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1869 [14:05:24] <k_sze> I just noticed that there's a new
intel-microcode update.
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1873 [14:06:07] <k_sze> How is 3.20170707.1 different from the
earlier 3.20170511.1?
1874 [14:06:19] <k_sze> with regards to the SK150, etc.
HyperThreading bug.
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1876 [14:06:22] <jelly> k_sze, aptitude changelog packagename
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1878 [14:06:40] <k_sze> jelly: I'm reading
replaced-url
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1880 [14:07:13] <k_sze> but it's not immediately obvious what
the change w.r.t to SK150 is.
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1883 [14:08:17] <k_sze> The previous version had a
"likely" fix, and it only mentioned SK150 (although from
reading mailing list discussions, I got the impression that it fixed
the whole family of errata, at least for Skylake).
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1886 [14:08:51] <petn-randall> k_sze: Since the firmware is
non-free, the maintainer is just passing along what they get fed
from Intel.
1887 [14:09:03] <jelly> ^^
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1889 [14:09:38] <forcerecon> I just did a remote port scan from a
windows machine behind the same router and no ports are open.. only
from the debian 9 machine..
1890 [14:09:39] <forcerecon> just a fyi
1891 [14:10:29] <petn-randall> forcerecon: How is that a FYI?
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1893 [14:11:05] <jelly> petn-randall, it's a still offtopic
fyi
1894 [14:11:41] * petn-randall reads backlog.
1895 [14:11:41] <forcerecon> really.. that means that this one
machine is stating information that another machine on the same
network is not showing.. kinda weeds out the fact that the router is
the issue no?
1896 [14:12:01] <jelly> !ask
1897 [14:12:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1899 [14:13:14] <jelly> forcerecon, if you use the exact same tool
and the exact same options, using the same lack of local firewall,
then you can maybe draw a conclusion
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1908 [14:16:16] <shtrb> hi forcereecon
1909 [14:16:22] <shtrb> and no , it does not rule out
1910 [14:17:00] <shtrb> I think you had a faulty port once, so
everything is possible
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1913 [14:21:27] <shtrb> forcerecon , and it is not clear if they
are connected in the same way (wifi vs network ) , and many windows
machine now have auto block all during a scan
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1921 [14:28:07] <Aebian> 'find / grep
<searchTerm>' is there a better way to find something if
locate is not available?
1922 [14:28:19] <Aebian> *find / |grep xy
1923 [14:28:27] <shtrb> grep xy -rn /
1924 [14:28:36] <tw> find / -iname '*xy*'
1925 [14:28:40] <tw> or -name
1926 [14:28:41] <El_Presidente> I am curious, since stretch is now
released, I assume we are "stuck" with apache 2.4.25
right? we will not see any upgraded versions like 2.4.10 for jessie?
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1928 [14:29:02] <petn-randall> Aebian: You can install ack (or
ack-grep), which does it smarter.
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1931 [14:29:28] <Aebian> iname okay thanks tw
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1933 [14:29:59] <Aebian> petn-randall: I can't on this system
so I asked for a better way with find or shipped debian pkgs ^^
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1939 [14:33:09] <petn-randall> Aebian: ack is shipped in Debian.
1940 [14:33:11] <gabriel_sh> hi
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1942 [14:33:47] <gabriel_sh> I have a problem with apt-get /
aptitude. I changed "jessie" to "testing" in my
apt/sources.list but when i run apt-get update nothing happens
1943 [14:34:03] <petn-randall> !bat
1944 [14:34:03] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1945 [14:34:19] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: I'm pretty sure
*something* happens.
1946 [14:34:20] <gabriel_sh> it download some k of packages and
when i run upgrade it says no packet to update
1947 [14:34:20] <petn-randall> !ask
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1949 [14:34:20] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1954 [14:36:22] <gabriel_sh> apt-get update run:
replaced-url
1955 [14:36:46] <g0zzy> Is it just me or has Thunderbird gone
right off? Crashes more and more and junk filter prevention
doesn't even work. Please suggest some alternative! What about
Evolution?
1956 [14:36:59] <gabriel_sh> apt-cache policy
replaced-url
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1958 [14:37:37] <towo^work> gabriel_sh, and what you expect from
apt-get update?
1959 [14:37:51] <towo^work> gabriel_sh, your paste looks exact,
what it should
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1962 [14:38:17] <gabriel_sh> I just changed "Jessie" to
"Testing" i expect to have a massive update
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1964 [14:38:33] <towo^work> gabriel_sh, you know, what apt-get
update is doing?
1965 [14:38:37] <gabriel_sh> yeah
1966 [14:38:40] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: I don't recommend
upgrading to testing, since it's only been a few weeks since
the release, and there are a ton of library migrations pending.
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1968 [14:38:56] <towo^work> gabriel_sh, no, you don't
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1971 [14:39:12] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: And we kind of expect
people how to use the standard Debian tools before upgrading, so
there's less pain involved for everyone.
1972 [14:39:22] <gabriel_sh> apt-get is updating the list of
packages, isn't it?
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1974 [14:39:35] <gabriel_sh> which kind of standard debian tools?
1975 [14:40:30] <dury> hi there again guys and all channel :-)
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1979 [14:40:49] <gabriel_sh> I'm running debian testing on
another laptop right now, and I need the same version of unison on
both
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1981 [14:41:17] <dury> Temkawwa, is not today or what?
1982 [14:41:32] <dury> sorry Tenkawa
1983 [14:41:55] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: But *why* are you
running testing? It's essentially an untested, not
release-ready suite.
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1985 [14:42:23] <gabriel_sh> I normally use testing because
I'm a developer and I need updated softwares
1986 [14:42:23] <dury> still fighting with xscreensaver to launch
automatically
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1990 [14:43:20] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: If you need updated
software, there's stable-backports.
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1992 [14:43:55] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: testing breaks
regularly, and that's completely expected. And it gets no
security support.
1993 [14:43:55] <gabriel_sh> I've used testing in the last 4
years, dunno why i should stop using it
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1995 [14:44:06] <dury> I figure out that when I type this command
"xscreensaver-command -activate" it launches and I
1996 [14:44:09] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: Because you don't
know what 'apt-get update' does??
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1999 [14:44:28] <petn-randall> And you apparently haven't
found the man pages yet.
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2001 [14:44:51] <gabriel_sh> yes I do, It download the updated
list of packages from the debian mirror, then i can upgrade the
packages with apt-get upgrade
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2004 [14:45:09] <mint> hi
2005 [14:45:27] <dury> ... and I leave it for a while a gnome
message come out saying "lock was blocked by an
application"
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2007 [14:45:45] <mint> debian lxde has tools for wireless or need
from wicd
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2009 [14:45:53] <mint> lease
2010 [14:46:35] <armin>
replaced-url
2011 [14:46:51] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: It looks like
you've pinned testing to -10. See 'man apt_preferences.
2012 [14:46:57] <dury> ... and I leave it for a while move the
mouse and a gnome message lock was blocked by an application
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2015 [14:47:17] <dury> sorry to repeat it
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2017 [14:47:59] <gabriel_sh> petn-randall: yes! thanks a lot, I
did it many months ago and now i totally forgot about it
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2019 [14:48:03] <dury> can anyone assist me please
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2021 [14:48:30] <dury> lock was blocked by an application why that
message?
2022 [14:48:42] <shtrb> armin , check your theme packages and
replaced-url
2023 [14:48:42] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2025 [14:50:19] <gabriel_sh> thanks everyone
2026 [14:50:20] <gabriel_sh> bye
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2028 [14:50:23] <petn-randall> gabriel_sh: Now that I read your
messages closer, you actually *did* run 'apt-get upgrade'
(though it wasn't in the paste). Sorry if I implied that you
didn't know the difference.
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2040 [14:55:34] <dury> did anyone install proper xscreensaver
under gnome
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2049 [14:58:48] <dury> grey_, can you assist?
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2055 [14:59:20] <dury> lock was blocked by an application
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2057 [14:59:55] <dury> is that message normal?
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2073 [15:07:36] <forcerecon> you know when I watch you people talk
to one another I actually laugh a bit.. the responses are so
obviously arrogant yet informative at the same time..
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2076 [15:08:05] <Mr_Nodekit> hello
2077 [15:09:06] <dury> forcerecon can you assist me
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2095 [15:14:03] <petn-randall> !tell dury -abouto ask
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2103 [15:16:00] <dury> petn-randall, sorry... what's that?
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2106 [15:16:21] <petn-randall> !ask
2107 [15:16:21] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
2108 [15:16:24] <petn-randall> dury: ^^^
2109 [15:16:59] <dury> petn-randall, sorry
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2118 [15:18:45] <petn-randall> dury: What OS release are you
running?
2119 [15:18:46] <forcerecon> dury: I am not familiar with the
screensaver under gnome.. I am sorry I cannot help on this issue..
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2121 [15:20:01] <dury> petn-randall, foreceron thanks for answer
me really appreciate
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2123 [15:20:29] <dury> petn-randall, stretch
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2126 [15:20:41] <Silmaril> dury: gnome has his own way of locking
the machine, you should't use xscreensaver
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2129 [15:21:25] <petn-randall> dury: I'm guessing the same as
Silmaril, if you got several screenlockers running they'll step
on each other's feet, so to say.
2130 [15:21:45] <dury> Silmaril, xscreensaver is more enjoyable
and pretty
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2135 [15:22:54] <Silmaril> pretty ? hum we don't have the
same definition XD
2136 [15:23:06] <petn-randall> dury: Then you'll have to find
a way to deactivate the gnome-screensaver.
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2138 [15:23:14] <dury> petn-randall, how do I know If I have
several screenlockers running
2139 [15:23:25] <Silmaril> and by the way a screensaver is here to
'save' the screen, no to be pretty
2140 [15:23:29] <petn-randall> dury: Easiest way is to uninstall
it, other options are killing the process and removing it from
autostart.
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2142 [15:24:14] <petn-randall> Silmaril: Same here, but other
people prefer it to run pretty things. And that's what
xscreensaver can also do. Each to their own.
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2145 [15:24:39] <dury> petn-randall, how d
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2149 [15:25:42] <Silmaril> dury: in anyway it's a question
for goole
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2151 [15:25:56] <Silmaril> and the first answser to gnome 3
xscreensaver is ...
replaced-url
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2159 [15:26:42] <dury> petn-randall, apt remove gnome-screensaver
2160 [15:26:42] <dury> Reading package lists... Done
2161 [15:26:43] <dury> Building dependency tree
2162 [15:26:43] <dury> Reading state information... Done
2163 [15:26:43] <dury> Package 'gnome-screensaver' is
not installed, so not removed
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replaced-url
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2169 [15:28:00] <dury> sorry to paste that
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2182 [15:32:02] <jelly> not-baguette-peo, can you ease up on nick
changes please
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2184 [15:32:30] <lightshadow> hi
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2193 [15:36:24] <forcerecon> does system monitor ever show any
resources? when I open it all I get is 0% for all cpu
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2220 [15:48:29] <forcerecon> top works pretty well..
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2223 [15:48:59] <tremolo> I run Debian. Everything works pretty
well.
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2225 [15:49:14] <g0zzy> Is it just me or has Thunderbird gone
right off? Crashes more and more and junk filter prevention
doesn't even work. Please suggest some alternative! What about
Evolution?
2226 [15:49:46] <Silmaril> it is just you
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2228 [15:50:10] <g0zzy> I don't believe you ;)
2229 [15:50:12] <Silmaril> the learning spam filter work pretty
well, after he has been thaugh
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2231 [15:50:42] <g0zzy> Ah - what i mean is a filter that says -
don't treat X as junk
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2235 [15:51:49] <g0zzy> Filter before junk classification|Set Junk
status to:Not Junk
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2244 [15:54:30] <timeless> has anyone else hit this?
replaced-url
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2248 [15:55:33] <tw> Is there a jenkins package in one of the
debian repositories or do I need to add an external repository to
install it? I can't find one that contains jenkins.war
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2250 [15:56:18] <timeless> i personally use 500
replaced-url
2251 [15:56:21] <petn-randall> forcerecon: c'mon, you've
already been in this channel for a while, and you know the
etiquette. Try asking sensible questions. What system monitor? That
term applies to many pieces of software, including 'top'
that you mentioned. Also, what do you see? What do expect instead?
We don't know any of that.
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2253 [15:56:58] <g0zzy> If the containment were the other way
around, you could have a war of jenkins ear
2254 [15:57:12] <tremolo> What is lesspipe.sh?
2255 [15:57:17] <timeless> tw:
replaced-url
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2258 [15:57:32] <timeless> tremolo: it's a magical thing that
interacts w/ less
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2260 [15:57:39] <timeless> some of my systems "just have
it"
2261 [15:57:44] <tw> tremolo: a magic prefilter less calls to make
binary/non-text formats look pretty.
2262 [15:57:45] <tremolo> I have /usr/bin/lesspipe, which is a
symlink to /bin/lesspipe, but no lesspipe.sh
2263 [15:57:46] <timeless> i have no idea where it came from.
2264 [15:57:52] <petn-randall> tremolo: Where did you find it?
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2267 [15:58:23] <tremolo> petn-randall: timeless mentioned it
2268 [15:58:24] <timeless> i.e. dpkg -S doesn't indicate
anything owns it
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2270 [15:58:26] <forcerecon> petn-randall: loud and clear.. system
monitor is a gui system monitor installed by default in debian 9.
Its under administration.. just making mention that it never shows
any cpu utilization on the first tab
2271 [15:58:39] <timeless> which is weird, because i certainly
wouldn't have installed it on my own
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2277 [15:59:51] <tremolo> My lesspipe was part of the less
package.
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2283 [16:01:47] <timeless>
replaced-url
2284 [16:02:02] <timeless> the lesspipe.sh that you can /sorta/
see there more or less matches the lesspipe.sh i have
2285 [16:02:06] <Silmaril> timeless: lesspipe is part of less
package
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2289 [16:02:28] <timeless> Silmaril: that's `/bin/lesspipe`,
right?
2290 [16:02:37] <timeless> i'm asking about
`/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh`
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2292 [16:02:49] <timeless> something gave me a file that looks
very much like:
replaced-url
2293 [16:02:51] <Silmaril> compatibility alias
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2295 [16:03:13] <Silmaril> or trace of an old package maybe
2296 [16:03:21] <timeless> that's more likely
2297 [16:03:27] <timeless> it's from a `pre-dash` time
2298 [16:03:36] <timeless> since it assumes that /bin/sh = bash
and uses bashisms
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2300 [16:04:10] <timeless> i wish i could figure out what provided
it. it's on quite a few of my systems and i've not (until
now) spent the time hunting down its origins
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2305 [16:05:07] <edfox> Hello, i'm having some issues with
moving my debian install (on HDD) to an ssd
2306 [16:05:12] <Silmaril> you don't have an automation
system (chef,puppet,ansible,...) that may have put it here
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2308 [16:05:26] <timeless> oh!
2309 [16:05:33] <timeless> actually, i think i know what happened
2310 [16:05:38] <Silmaril> i don't really recall a time where
debian's version used that name
2311 [16:05:41] <timeless> since this is a debian system in lxc
2312 [16:05:47] <timeless> but the host is rhel
2313 [16:06:06] <timeless> the LESSPIPE env var is set in the host
and inherited when I use `lxc-attach`
2314 [16:06:19] <edfox> I have two partitions, both XFS. One is /
and the other one is /boot. I cloned the two partitions to the ssd
using xfsdump and xfsrestore, then i installed grub using
grub-install on the ssd mbr but the system keeps booting to the old
system on hdd even though i select the ssd entry from grub
2315 [16:06:21] <timeless> so it's probably my fault
2316 [16:06:39] <Silmaril> probably yes ;)
2317 [16:07:06] <timeless> i would have been trying to fix
`/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh` not found...
2318 [16:07:15] * timeless goes and downloads a non bashist lesspipe.sh
2319 [16:07:31] <Silmaril> you don't need to
2320 [16:07:38] <timeless> i'm open to alternatives
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2322 [16:07:45] <Silmaril> simply do a ln -s lesspipe lesspipe.sh
2323 [16:07:49] <tremolo> Link to /bin/lesspipe?
2324 [16:07:56] <Silmaril> or change the env variable
2325 [16:08:03] <tremolo> or that
2326 [16:08:30] <timeless> a symlink results in less not working
at all
2327 [16:08:55] <timeless> and i don't have a particularly
good way of changing the env var as it's inherited via
lxc-attach
2328 [16:08:58] * timeless is open to suggestions
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2332 [16:10:30] <Silmaril> what give "echo $LESS $LESSOPEN
$LESSCLOSE" ?
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2334 [16:11:06] <timeless> # echo $LESSOPEN
2335 [16:11:07] <timeless> ||/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s
2336 [16:11:10] <timeless> the other two are empty
2337 [16:11:27] <Silmaril> with a double pipe ?
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2339 [16:11:31] <timeless> yes
2340 [16:11:36] <timeless> presumably also a bashist thing
2341 [16:11:40] <Silmaril> nope
2342 [16:11:46] <timeless> ok
2343 [16:11:51] * timeless has no idea what the double pipe does
2344 [16:11:52] <Silmaril> it's a sh error
2345 [16:11:56] <Silmaril> it does "OR"
2346 [16:12:06] <Silmaril> so .. doesn't work
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2352 [16:12:46] <timeless> it works fine in the host...
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2357 [16:14:11] <Silmaril> i'm not familiar with lxc-attach,
how do you use it eaxctly to login the container ?
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2361 [16:14:32] <timeless> like this
replaced-url
2362 [16:14:41] <pesho> hello. I need a help
2363 [16:14:42] <timeless> note: this is lxc1 not lxc2
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2366 [16:15:27] <timeless> (snippet from man page)
replaced-url
2367 [16:16:03] <Silmaril> do you have the "--clear-env
" option ?
2368 [16:16:12] <timeless> oh, i do
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2370 [16:16:29] <timeless> yuck
2371 [16:16:38] <timeless> that's worse
replaced-url
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2374 [16:17:18] <pesho> whats the difference between automatic
partitioning/using the whole disk , deleting th whole disk and using
a LVM and automatic partitioning/using the whole disk with LVM?
2375 [16:17:24] <Silmaril> then alias lx-attach="lxc-attach
--clear-env --keep-var TERM "
2376 [16:17:28] <Silmaril> something like that
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2381 [16:18:46] <Silmaril> i don't have a redhat/centos
running but do you have a /usr/bin/lesspipe.sh on the host ?
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2384 [16:19:46] <timeless> yeah, which is what i would have copied
to try to "Fix" my problems
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2386 [16:20:12] <timeless> this is the package that gave me the
script
replaced-url
2387 [16:20:29] <Silmaril> i think the problem is more in the less
version, debian's version doesn't understand the double
pipe i think
2388 [16:20:52] <timeless> ii less 458-3 amd64 pager program
similar to more
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2394 [16:21:13] <Silmaril> ESSCLOSE='/usr/bin/lesspipe %s
%s'
2395 [16:21:13] <Silmaril> LESSOPEN='| /usr/bin/lesspipe
%s'
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2397 [16:21:14] <timeless> the less version from debian is
"newer" than the less version from rhel6
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2399 [16:21:20] <Silmaril> mine is set like this
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2403 [16:21:47] <timeless> so, your alias seems to work
2404 [16:22:09] <timeless> it feels like a bit of a hammer, but
since the only nail that hammer is used for is this one lxc, it
seems like a reasonable hammer
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2406 [16:22:39] <petn-randall> pesho: Generally any kind of
automatic partitioning in the installer will use some sensible
defaults (fsvo "sensible"), if you want something specific
do it manually (I recommend this).
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2408 [16:23:14] <timeless> oh, brother, that cleared HOME
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2410 [16:23:31] <timeless> maybe i should have the alias just be
`LESSOPEN= lxc-attach ...`
2411 [16:23:31] <Silmaril> well clear does clear ;)
2412 [16:23:43] <Silmaril> that's another way
2413 [16:24:32] <pesho> If I don't know how to do things with
debian because I'm new in Debian which one you
petn-randall'll recommend me?
2414 [16:24:56] <timeless> Silmaril: ok, that works, thanks for
walking me through this, i really appreciate it
2415 [16:25:03] <petn-randall> pesho: Just pick automatic LVM
then.
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2418 [16:25:17] <Silmaril> timeless: no problem
2419 [16:25:21] <petn-randall> pesho: That way you can change a
few things around later if you need to.
2420 [16:25:38] <Silmaril> the redhat setup is really kinda weird
however, it doesn't match any documentation
2421 [16:26:04] <pesho> petn-randall whats the difference between
automatic and automatic wtih LVM?
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2423 [16:26:28] <timeless> Silmaril: i'm looking forward to
the day that i can retire all of these rhel systems
2424 [16:26:49] <Silmaril> pesho: LVM is a system that allow
easier storage management
2425 [16:27:17] <petn-randall> pesho: "Automatic" will
create paritions/filesystems, "automatic" will create a
/boot partition, and put the rest as a PV (physical volume) into
LVM, and create LVs (logical volumes) as needed.
2426 [16:27:20] <timeless> fwiw
replaced-url
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2428 [16:28:16] <timeless> admittedly, rhel6 is quite ancient, i
wouldn't be surprised if it does something less quirky in a
modern rhel
2429 [16:28:46] <timeless> great, one minor mystery solved
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2431 [16:29:01] <pesho> thank you Spetn-randall Silmaril
2432 [16:29:24] * timeless goes back to trying to figure out why the
postinst script for mariadb fails miserably (~ the
/usr/bin/mysqld_safe script doesn't work properly)
2433 [16:29:51] <Silmaril> timeless: look really like a little
mistake in typing ${LESSOPEN:-ESSCLOSE='/usr/bin/lesspipe %s
%s'
2434 [16:29:54] <Silmaril> LESSOPEN='| /usr/bin/lesspipe
%s'
2435 [16:29:59] <Silmaril> oups
2436 [16:30:15] <Silmaril> damm cut'n'paste that's
making me mad
2437 [16:30:33] <Silmaril> so, timeless: look really like a little
mistake in typing ${LESSOPEN:-|/usr/bin/lesspipe.sh %s}"
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2441 [16:31:25] <__marco> How/where do you usually store the
private keys/certificates?
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2445 [16:31:54] <__marco> I see /etc/ssl/private, but what
permission do you give it?
2446 [16:31:55] <timeless> Silmaril: they're consistent, i
have two rhel systems i play w/ and both the less.csh and less.sh
profile.d files have the ||
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2450 [16:32:37] * timeless uses letsencrypt for private keys :)
2451 [16:32:39] <Silmaril> yes, found this
replaced-url
2452 [16:32:45] <tw> __marco: depends on context. usually
/etc/<service>/ssl or /etc/<service>/keys
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2454 [16:33:04] <petn-randall> __marco: There's
/etc/ssl/private for TLS certificates, it should be 0710 belonging
to root:ssl-cert.
2455 [16:33:13] <Silmaril> but the link about differences in | and
|| doesn't contain any
2456 [16:33:43] * timeless chuckles
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2458 [16:34:31] <__marco> petn-randall: why the group is ssl-cert?
(I just see that the nginx's master process is ran as root)
2459 [16:35:08] <timeless> __marco: the reason is to allow you to
put things that shouldn't be root into a group that could
access just those files
2460 [16:35:21] <Silmaril> probably a deprecated setting
2461 [16:35:22] <petn-randall> Silmaril: In shell scripting
context the single pipe "|" means "connect the STDOUT
of the process left of it to the STDIN of the process right of it.
In contrast, the double pipe "||" means "run the left
program, if it fails, run the right one".
2462 [16:35:31] <Silmaril> petn-randall: yes
2463 [16:35:39] <timeless> petn-randall: we know, but it's
pretty clear it means something else here
2464 [16:35:44] <Silmaril> i know, we are talking in less-context
2465 [16:35:49] <petn-randall> __marco: So you can add
unprivileged users to that group that need access.
2466 [16:35:55] <timeless> although given the documentation,
it's totally unclear what it actually means
2467 [16:36:00] <tw> __marco: and the ssl-cert group cannot list
the directory, because it's execute-only for them.
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2470 [16:36:28] <petn-randall> __marco: Most web servers however
start as root, bind the privileged ports and read the keys, then
drop to an unprivileged uid. So you don't need changing
anything there.
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2473 [16:37:03] <timeless> notably: w/ modern certificates, web
servers (and mail servers) need to leave one process as root so that
they can reread the cert files
2474 [16:37:11] <timeless> since they change every 60 days (and in
the future faster)
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2476 [16:37:37] <__marco> petn-randall: rw, timeless: right. But
why perm to 0710? I would say 0740 or 0640 or even 0440
2477 [16:37:41] <timeless> we're moving away from long lived
(5-10/2 yr) certs to short
2478 [16:37:57] <timeless> __marco: basically "if your
process is configured to read file X, go read it, but don't go
snooping"
2479 [16:38:11] * timeless thinks that's right
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2483 [16:38:31] <__marco> timeless: 710 is the execute bit for the
group
2484 [16:38:35] <timeless> it's a directory so the x7xx is so
that root can go into the directory
2485 [16:38:44] <tw> __marco: It's a directory. It should
definitely have +x for anything that needs to access files within
it, but they shouldn't get to list the directory (that's
+r).
2486 [16:38:50] <JyZyXEL> how is a software author able to provide
built debian packages for debian jessie for software that depends on
Qt 5.5, when jessie only has Qt 5.3?
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2488 [16:39:21] <JyZyXEL> they probably included the Qt 5.5 libs
inside the binary package as binaries?
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2490 [16:39:41] <__marco> tw: timeless, ah, wait. I supposed that
was the files' permission
2491 [16:39:56] <__marco> timeless: tw: Thanks for the
explanations
2492 [16:40:01] <timeless> __marco: you asked about the directory
(or ambiguously did) and tw answered for the directory
2493 [16:40:11] <timeless> (and i interpreted his answer the same)
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2495 [16:40:46] <timeless> anyway
2496 [16:40:51] * timeless goes back to mysql/maria hell
2497 [16:41:05] <__marco> Yes, I wasn't clear. But all what
you said makes sense to me
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2582 [17:12:37] <DebWut> Hey, I got a question here.. Is there any
package released on debian 8 that will auto install postgresql?..
2583 [17:12:39] <jrmu> anyone have experience using VNT9271
wireless cards? They claim to have AR9271 chipsets.
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2585 [17:13:14] <DebWut> I mean debian critical package, like
systemd or libc-bin that would output a bash command "apt
install postgresql" out of the blue
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2588 [17:13:41] <petn-randall> DebWut: No, only packages that
depend on postgresql would pull it in during installation.
2589 [17:13:47] <greycat> DebWut: no. They would never issue an
"apt install" command through a shell.
2590 [17:13:58] <DebWut> Cuz today, out of the blue, a bash
command was registered: "apt install postgresql"
2591 [17:14:01] <DebWut> No SSH user online
2592 [17:14:04] <petn-randall> DebWut: Tell us about your problem
though, not what you assume is the cause.
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2594 [17:14:25] <petn-randall> DebWut: How was it issued? Did you
find it in the bash history?
2595 [17:14:30] <greycat> What do mean, "registered"?
What have you done? Recompiled bash with a logging hack?
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2597 [17:15:09] <DebWut> I found it in /var/log/apt/history.log
2598 [17:15:14] <Silmaril> DebWut: look at lastlog using
"last"
2599 [17:15:15] <DebWut> Start-Date: 2017-07-11 11:28:09
Commandline: apt install postgresql
2600 [17:15:37] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with
request tracker at all?
2601 [17:15:39] <Silmaril> to see who was logged in and from where
2602 [17:15:45] <greycat> DebWut: well, that file will also tell
you who ran the command.
2603 [17:15:45] <DebWut> The last ssh login user was Sat 8 Jul,
then we ofc logged in after httpd crashed due to this postgresql
install took all ram available on the server
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2605 [17:15:49] <Silmaril> ioudas^working: yeah
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2607 [17:16:07] <ioudas^working> Silmaril i cant seem to get
custom fields to show up on a ticket. What am i doing wrong?
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2609 [17:16:22] <DebWut> greycat: I see no username, not even on
the command I issued at 16:39 today to remove postgresql
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2611 [17:16:40] <Silmaril> ioudas^working: hu you could be doing a
whole lot of wrong ...
2612 [17:16:45] <greycat> You don't have
"Requested-By" right under "Commandline"?
2613 [17:16:55] <DebWut> But I assume this Install:
postgresql-9.4:amd64 (9.4.12-0+deb8u1, automatic),
postgresql-common:amd64 (165+deb8u2, automatic) < automatic means
its somehow automated installed?
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2617 [17:17:11] <DebWut> No, not even under the command I issued
almost an hour ago
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2619 [17:17:40] <ioudas^working> Any ideas?
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2622 [17:18:38] <DebWut> greycat: in /var/log/alternatives.log I
got update-alternatives 2017-07-11 11:28:12: run with --install
/usr/share/man/man1/psql.1.gz psql.1.gz
/usr/share/postgresql/9.4/man/man1/psql.1.gz 94 --slave
/usr/share/man/man7/DROP_AGGREGATE.7.gz DROP_AGGREGATE.7.gz
/usr/share/postgresq$ which is 3 seconds after the apt install
command was issued
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2624 [17:19:03] <petn-randall> ,v postgresql-9.4
2625 [17:19:04] <judd> Package: postgresql-9.4 on amd64 -- jessie:
9.4.11-0+deb8u2; wheezy-backports: 9.4.12-0+deb8u1~bpo7+1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 9.4.12-0+deb8u1; jessie-security:
9.4.12-0+deb8u1
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2627 [17:19:06] <Silmaril> sometime i hate less, when i'm
using '-r' to allow control char i can't get the
beginning of my /var/log/apt/history...
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2631 [17:19:55] <ioudas^working> neat
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2634 [17:20:18] <greycat> Ah, looks like jessie doesn't log
"Requested-By". That must be new in stretch.
2635 [17:20:35] <Silmaril> ioudas^working: are they global custom
field ?
2636 [17:20:38] <ioudas^working> yes
2637 [17:20:45] <ioudas^working> with a group added with view
permission
2638 [17:20:52] <Silmaril> greycat: don't have it in sid
either
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2640 [17:21:06] <greycat> Silmaril: they why do I have it on a
vanilla stretch box?
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2642 [17:21:59] <Silmaril> beat me ...
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2644 [17:22:20] <greycat> Start-Date: 2017-07-10 11:01:40
2645 [17:22:20] <greycat> Commandline: apt-get install
inotify-tools
2646 [17:22:20] <greycat> Requested-By: wooledg (563)
2647 [17:22:21] <Silmaril> some apt default configuration ?
2648 [17:22:35] <DebWut> greycat u do sudo apt-get maybe?
2649 [17:22:49] <greycat> Yes.
2650 [17:23:04] <DebWut> This was issued straight up. "apt
install postgresql" so must have been run as root, which I also
did
2651 [17:23:25] <DebWut> But the thing is, I always use apt-get
install or remove or whatever, didnt even know you could do only
"apt" and then install
2652 [17:23:46] <greycat> jessie added apt(8) as a command line
program. It's crap.
2653 [17:23:53] <DebWut> So its defo not me, thats why I kinda
wanna find out what software or something that could have issued
that command, so I can remove that program :z
2654 [17:23:54] <greycat> The stretch version is also crap.
2655 [17:24:04] <Silmaril> i like it personnaly
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2657 [17:24:30] <Silmaril> well not jessie's one, the latest
in stretch/sid is almost complete
2658 [17:24:31] <petn-randall> DebWut: How is the root account
protected? Is SSH login as root allowed? Do you have a simple
password set?
2659 [17:24:49] <DebWut> petn-randall: The only logins are me and
my partners IPs
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2663 [17:24:59] <DebWut> Like I said, last SSH before we logged in
today was Sat Jul 08
2664 [17:25:03] <petn-randall> DebWut: That's not my question
though.
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2666 [17:25:09] <DebWut> And you need to access a normal account
before su
2667 [17:25:12] <petn-randall> DebWut: If you have root, you can
edit all those files.
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2669 [17:25:44] <DebWut> But I got csf firewall. We get a email
the second someone SU's
2670 [17:25:50] <DebWut> Can't change or edit that
retroactively
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2672 [17:25:57] <greycat> You keep dodging petn-randall's
question.
2673 [17:26:12] <DebWut> Ok straight up then
2674 [17:26:43] <DebWut> You can not SSH our server, locked to our
two IPs. You can not login as root you need to access a user account
then you can SU to root. When you SU to root we get an email saying
when who what time got root
2675 [17:27:02] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with
request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a
ticket. No matter what i do.
2676 [17:27:03] <DebWut> the ssh port is locked to our ips that is
2677 [17:27:13] <BluesKaj> HP is kinda slow to upgrade printer
driver support. I see stretch still isn't listed in thier linux
drivers list
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2680 [17:27:44] <Silmaril> BluesKaj: slow is an understatement
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2682 [17:27:50] <petn-randall> DebWut: So
'PermitRootLogin' is set to 'no' in
/etc/ssh/sshd_config?
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2684 [17:28:10] <`ajven> hello, im trying to take TCPdump for eth2
interface on port 8080 and im taking only strange symbols. I use the
command like - tcpdump -i eth2 -n dst port 80 -w
/tmp/tcpdump/port_80.log What can be wrong ?
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2688 [17:29:13] <DebWut> # Authentication: LoginGraceTime 120
PermitRootLogin without-password StrictModes yes
2689 [17:29:27] <Silmaril> `ajven: could have an easier to quote
username ? Has for your tcpdump if you want the port 8080 you should
be filtering on 'port 80'
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2691 [17:29:45] <Silmaril> but what do you call "strange
symbol" ?
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2694 [17:30:41] <Silmaril> DebWut: so someone with an ssh-key, or
any other secure method can log-in as root
2695 [17:30:45] <Silmaril> directly
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2697 [17:30:56] <petn-randall> DebWut: So you can log in as root.
2698 [17:30:59] <Silmaril> probably bypassing csf in the process
2699 [17:31:02] <petn-randall> directly
2700 [17:31:03] <DebWut> Silmaril: Yes but you also need to go via
one of our IPs to access port 22
2701 [17:31:09] <DebWut> Unless you can alter iptables externally
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2703 [17:31:24] <greycat> Have you tried asking your
"partner" whether (s)he installed postgres?
2704 [17:31:34] <DebWut> Yes he is in here aswell reading, it is
not one of us.
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2706 [17:31:37] <Silmaril> did you look at the output of the
"last" command anyway ?
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2708 [17:31:47] <DebWut> Also we do not have any ssh key file for
root
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2710 [17:32:36] <greycat> ... currently.
2711 [17:32:39] <DebWut> Silmaril: the "last" gives me a
list of logins and what times and duration of the login, so the last
login shows Sat Jul 08 then we two logged in today after httpd got
bricked cuz of ram
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2714 [17:33:21] <petn-randall> DebWut: Do you use any kind of
configuration management (ansible, chef, puppet, etc) to administer
that machine?
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2716 [17:33:30] <DebWut> Directadmin
2717 [17:33:34] <DammitJim> how terrible is it that the home
partition gets unmounted?
2718 [17:33:36] <DebWut> With their custombuild
2719 [17:33:50] <Silmaril> then someone probably has found a way
to your system
2720 [17:33:50] <DammitJim> I need to unmounted to decrease
it's size and increase the size of another partition
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2722 [17:34:12] <DebWut> Silmaril: We've checked all access
logs, Directadmin, pureftp etc nothing :/
2723 [17:34:17] <greycat> DammitJim: log out of all user stuff,
and probably stop mail deliveries. Might be *easiest* to drop to
single user mode.
2724 [17:34:31] <DebWut> I mean we get blistered on pop3
bruteforce attempts but thats standard and I doubt accessing exim
could give root
2725 [17:34:33] <Silmaril> well if they got to root everything is
unreliable
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2728 [17:34:51] <DammitJim> greycat, I am trying to avoid a reboot
2729 [17:34:56] <DammitJim> so, thanks
2730 [17:35:07] <DammitJim> seems low impact in my case (this is a
server that runs tomcat
2731 [17:35:08] <greycat> I think systemd calls it
"isolate".
2732 [17:35:12] <Aebian> is there a simple way to open a windows
nfs on linux? No mount just open it to access files
2733 [17:35:28] <greycat> Aebian: you mean a windows CIFS/SMB
share?
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2735 [17:35:34] <petn-randall> Aebian: Last time I checked Windows
doesn't have NFS.
2736 [17:35:38] <Aebian> greycat: yes
2737 [17:35:44] <greycat> various smbclient programs
2738 [17:35:57] <Aebian> like //server/bla/folder/
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2740 [17:36:10] <greycat> mount.cifs may be the easiest way, but
smbclient also exists
2741 [17:36:15] <DammitJim> greycat, doing an umount /home would
tell me if something is using that partition, right?
2742 [17:36:16] <DebWut> Silmaril: why would anyone that gains
root on a server just "apt install postgresql", leave it,
dont configure it or anything just wipe ALL evicendces of them
accessing it and then vanishing that seems very far fetched. My
thought is that some program or apt or systemd or whatever found
that oh, lets install postgresql
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2744 [17:36:31] <greycat> DammitJim: if it's actively open,
the umount will most definitely fail
2745 [17:36:38] <Silmaril> DebWut: yes that's the weird thing
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2748 [17:36:49] <tsarompy> hai #debian
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2750 [17:37:08] <Silmaril> petn-randall: you didn't check
enough :)
2751 [17:37:14] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with
request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a
ticket. No matter what i do.
2752 [17:37:22] <tsarompy> lol @ maliciously installing postgresql
for no reason
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2755 [17:37:44] <Silmaril> EMC system did use for a long time a
windows server as an NFS gateway
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2757 [17:38:07] <DebWut> So I am just here trying to find out how
it could be that something managed to install a package, since I
still highly doubt it was an attacker. Seems very bad to have such
software in a production server :x
2758 [17:38:25] <jhutchins> Some versions of Windows have NFS
support, there is an optional "Services for Unix" suite
for others.
replaced-url
2759 [17:38:28] <Silmaril> DebWut: well, that a program by itself
started to install postgres is also far-fetched
2760 [17:38:31] <petn-randall> DebWut: Why would *systemd* install
postgres?
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2762 [17:38:38] <petn-randall> Or any other program for that
matter.
2763 [17:38:44] <greycat> DebWut: It's not a thing that any
legit packages would do. Maybe someone wrote a shell script to do
it, or set up an at job to do it after logging out.
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2768 [17:39:41] <DebWut> greycat: Silmaril: petn-randall: Yes
thats what I am curious too. when I look in /var/log/apt/term.log of
the package install, at the end it says:
2769 [17:39:45] <DebWut> Processing triggers for libc-bin
(2.19-18+deb8u4) ... Processing triggers for systemd (215-17+deb8u4)
...
2770 [17:39:49] <greycat> Near as I can tell, at jobs aren't
logged, other than weird PAM session stuff.
2771 [17:39:53] <DammitJim> oh man
2772 [17:39:54] <DebWut> ^ that for postgresql?
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2774 [17:40:07] <greycat> DebWut: irrelevant.
2775 [17:40:09] <Silmaril> DebWut: that's normal
2776 [17:40:21] <petn-randall> DebWut: That are triggered from the
postgres install, not the other way around.
2777 [17:40:23] <Silmaril> triggers are post-process thing
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2779 [17:41:17] <DebWut> And the part Install:
postgresql-9.4:amd64 (9.4.12-0+deb8u1, automatic) < automatic has
no relevance either of the issued command?
2780 [17:41:24] <DebWut> Since it was sent without any flags I
suppose :o
2781 [17:41:36] <greycat> postgresql depends on postgresql-9.4 or
whatever
2782 [17:42:18] <Silmaril> or the other way aournd
"postgresql" is provided by postgresql-9.4 no ?
2783 [17:43:01] <greycat> ,depends postgresql --release jessie
2784 [17:43:02] <judd> Package postgresql in jessie/amd64 --
depends: postgresql-9.4.
2785 [17:43:31] <Silmaril> so no :D
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2789 [17:44:40] <Silmaril> ioudas^working: this is surely not the
best place to ask questions about RT, it's quite a complicated
and specific system
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2794 [17:45:34] <ioudas^working> Silmaril i understand thanks for
your feed back. However there is no real forums. So i will bug
people everywhere i guess.
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2796 [17:45:43] <Silmaril> and you should prepare a detailled
explanation of what you did
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2799 [17:46:06] <Silmaril> that's the better way to be banned
from everywhere
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2803 [17:46:18] <ioudas^working> yawn.
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2807 [17:46:45] <Silmaril> also ..
replaced-url
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2811 [17:47:52] <Silmaril> it's you i suppose
replaced-url
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2813 [17:48:38] <Silmaril> "<ioudas^working>
yawn." <sarcasm>yeah, that too will give a lot of people
incentive to help ...</sarcasm>
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2815 [17:49:41] <DebWut> Can the systemd "self-reload"?
In the logfiles right about the time before the command was issued
to install, systemd was reloaded aswell
2816 [17:49:50] <greycat> systemd does not issue "apt"
commands
2817 [17:49:57] <DebWut> Or is that part of the apt process of
triggers?
2818 [17:50:07] <Silmaril> i would say it's the trigger
2819 [17:50:08] <greycat> That would be the triggers from
installing a new service, yes.
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2822 [17:50:37] <greycat> The postgresql post-install probably has
to do "systemd daemon-reload" and so on.
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2824 [17:51:01] <DebWut> Yea, its also after the command was
issued so that is accurate event of why it was reloaded
2825 [17:51:05] <greycat> (Or arranges for apt to do so.)
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2827 [17:51:29] <jhutchins> ioudas^working: Might want to expand
what "RT" means in your context.
2828 [17:51:38] <Silmaril> probably via the service install
process
2829 [17:52:05] <ioudas^working> jhutchins it means a simple
queue. 1 user and a single field applied to the queue.
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2831 [17:52:14] <ioudas^working> What else might you need?
2832 [17:52:18] <petn-randall> DebWut: Does your csf firewall log
any logins or login attempts? Since you can't attribute who had
root on that system, /var/log/{utmp,wtmp} is worthless.
2833 [17:52:26] <ioudas^working> Steps? Or ?
2834 [17:52:38] <greycat> ioudas^working: that does not explain to
jhutchins what "RT" stands for.
2835 [17:53:17] <greycat> jhutchins: From /lastlog, it apparently
is something called "request tracker"
2836 [17:53:21] <DebWut> petn-randall: yes it logs all attempts
and portscans etc, it gets bombarded
2837 [17:53:24] <ioudas^working> ah. ive never used the word
RT.... ive always said it stands for request tracker.
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2839 [17:53:33] <ioudas^working> request tracker 4 to be specific
2840 [17:53:50] <DebWut> But when I got in as root I noticed that
rsyslogd was connected to an ip on port 35014, ESTABLISHED (netstat
-tap)
2841 [17:53:58] <DebWut> Why does rsyslogd accept connections to
begin with
2842 [17:54:06] <DebWut> The IP it was established with was a tor
exit node
2843 [17:54:31] <Silmaril> hum ...
2844 [17:54:39] <greycat> I don't think rsyslog listens by
default.
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2846 [17:54:52] <Silmaril> nope, he doesn't
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2849 [17:55:39] <Silmaril> it's starting more and more to
look like an intrusion
2850 [17:55:44] <DebWut>
replaced-url
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2854 [17:56:21] <DebWut> 89.144.12.15 < that ip was a tor exit
node when searched for
2855 [17:56:33] <DebWut> Also you see some other weird IPs
connecting on port 8080 trying to reach postgresql
2856 [17:56:35] <Silmaril> 212.129.54.0 is yours ?
2857 [17:56:43] <DebWut> Yea one of few, it has several IPs
2858 [17:56:49] <Silmaril> ok
2859 [17:57:07] <Silmaril> this is not a standard syslog port
2860 [17:57:10] <Silmaril> src or dst
2861 [17:57:22] <petn-randall> Time to take the system offline and
use forensic tools ...
2862 [17:57:42] <Silmaril> offline maybe not, but off-network
absolutly
2863 [17:57:56] <Silmaril> if you shut it down you could loose a
lot of informations
2864 [17:57:58] <DebWut> The rsyslogd I constrained by adding it
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2866 [17:58:02] <DebWut> It was wide open in the config file
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2869 [17:58:36] <Silmaril> i really doubt it is really rsyslog
2870 [17:58:37] <DebWut> It had no configuration for ModLoad
imudp, Serveradress or ServerRun :/
2871 [17:58:43] <petn-randall> DebWut: It's not so with the
config that Debian ships.
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2873 [17:59:09] <Silmaril> could easily be a command daemon
masquerading as rsyslog
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2875 [17:59:39] <DebWut> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 577344 Dec 19 2015
/usr/sbin/rsyslogd this one I presume is not modified
2876 [17:59:46] <DebWut> The date is the install date of the
machine
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2879 [18:00:20] <petn-randall> DebWut: Look at the backups when
that file changed.
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2883 [18:01:56] <Silmaril> DebWut: you know that any program can
"say" it's called "/usr/sbin/rsyslogd"
after it has started, don't you ?
2884 [18:02:03] <DebWut> petn-randall: 19 Dec 2015 was server
install date, the bin was modified then and the conf file was 19 Dec
before I changed it today
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2887 [18:02:17] <DebWut> Silmaril: yes ofcourse
2888 [18:02:49] <petn-randall> DebWut: And you know that root can
change the mtime of any file?
2889 [18:02:51] <Silmaril> and you can change the modified date of
a file (tar does it everyday)
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2891 [18:03:14] <DebWut> But I can still not grasp that they
managed to get root without us getting a SU warning
2892 [18:03:40] <DebWut> You _cannot_ ssh in directly as root, you
can not use a ssh key either because port 22 is closed and only
accessable for two ips
2893 [18:03:44] <DebWut> Which makes me go mental
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2895 [18:04:00] <petn-randall> DebWut: But apparently your
firewall let rsyslog be accessible from the world ...
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2897 [18:04:32] <Silmaril> using the webserver, a php/cgi script
with a flaw and a few local privilege enhancement flaw
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2899 [18:04:40] <DebWut> Yea we've added blocked and open
ports, since its for web I guess we did not care about over port 10k
2900 [18:05:07] <petn-randall> DebWut: You firewall is not closed
by default??
2901 [18:05:10] <petn-randall> *Your
2902 [18:05:28] <petn-randall> Meaning any ports not explicitely
listed are allowed by default?
2903 [18:06:01] <DebWut> It is but according to a DirectAdmin
config we've got PassivePorts 35000 35999
2904 [18:06:08] <DebWut>
replaced-url
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2906 [18:06:25] <Silmaril> that's for ftp session
2907 [18:06:42] <DebWut> I dont know if he targeted this because
it responded on 2222 (da port) and he used 35011 because he know
most will have it open running DA
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2911 [18:08:01] <Silmaril> also even a webserver need some high
port for speaking with their clients after tcp's accept
2912 [18:08:15] <Silmaril> but this should be taken care by an
ESTABLISHED rule
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2917 [18:09:06] <petn-randall> Silmaril: That is not how web
servers work.
2918 [18:09:19] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with
request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a
ticket. No matter what i do on a new install. Single queue, single
user.
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2922 [18:10:20] <DebWut> As we are speaking I got this lol
2923 [18:10:21] <DebWut> :35011 tor-exit-relay.an:55797
ESTABLISHED 16661/cron
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2928 [18:10:39] <Silmaril> petn-randall: sorry yes got my shit
mixed
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2931 [18:11:06] <Silmaril> DebWut: your system is under someone
else control
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2933 [18:11:17] <Silmaril> probably even root-kit-ed
2934 [18:11:21] <petn-randall> DebWut: So what services are
running on there, and when have you last applied security updates?
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2936 [18:11:37] <DebWut> petn-randall: It's updated via
Directadmin custombuild
2937 [18:11:48] <jhutchins> DebWut: Very simple procedure at this
point: Disconnect from net, build new instance, restore backup from
before attack.
2938 [18:11:49] <petn-randall> DebWut: That being said, after
analysis, scrap the whole machine and restart from scratch.
2939 [18:12:04] <jhutchins> DebWut: If you've been hacked you
can trust NOTHING on that system.
2940 [18:12:06] <petn-randall> DebWut: So that means security
updates are not applied?
2941 [18:12:25] <DebWut> petn-randall: only software updates
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2945 [18:13:30] <petn-randall> DebWut: Are debian package security
updates applied regularly or not? It's a simple yes/no
question.
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2947 [18:13:44] <DebWut> No no apt updates
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2949 [18:13:51] <DebWut> The packages arent installed via apt
either
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2951 [18:13:58] <petn-randall> DebWut: But the OS is.
2952 [18:14:15] <DebWut> Yea, but no apt upgrade since Dec 2015
2953 [18:14:35] <petn-randall> DebWut: Then I'm guessing
it's one of the dozen remote code execution that have been
found since.
2954 [18:14:37] <Silmaril> then your system is full of holes
2955 [18:15:01] <DebWut> So you think its better to downgrade
debian version then?
2956 [18:15:22] <petn-randall> DebWut: Throw away the whole
installation, start from scratch.
2957 [18:15:32] <DebWut> The servers are practically unmaintained,
DA updates the software on them but not the security appliances
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2959 [18:15:47] <DebWut> Yes I am asking for a fresh go, on a live
production server
2960 [18:15:58] <Silmaril> downgrade ? hell no, you need to
upgrade
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2962 [18:16:19] <jhutchins> Actually, you need a clean new build.
2963 [18:16:20] <Silmaril> and throw away all previous instances
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2965 [18:16:34] <petn-randall> DebWut: I personally wouldn't
use direct admin, anything "web" shouldn't have root
on the server.
2966 [18:16:38] <Silmaril> but on the new one you need to upgrade
regullarly
2967 [18:16:55] <Silmaril> yep, like he said :)
2968 [18:16:56] <petn-randall> DebWut: Use as many Debian packages
as possible, and use unattended-upgrades to keep the system
up-to-date.
2969 [18:17:30] <DebWut> Silmaril: yea the apt updates will be a
must, but the software packages such as mysql, exim etc DirectAdmin
handles very well, even release long before debian apt lists
2970 [18:17:45] <petn-randall> DebWut: If you can find a remote
shell binary they're using you can probably upload that to
virustotal.com to see what kind of malware you got.
2971 [18:17:59] <petn-randall> DebWut: Seems like it didn't
...
2972 [18:18:30] <jhutchins> Simply having the latest version of
software doesn't ensure security. Testing and code review are
important.
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2974 [18:18:59] <DebWut> petn-randall: we've found the
cron.php
2975 [18:18:59] <petn-randall> DebWut: Port scan your machine from
the outside, I'm half expecting the firewall was set up wrong
and many services are reachable over the internet.
2976 [18:19:00] <DebWut> Responsible
2977 [18:19:06] <DebWut> from a nulled interspire email marketing
script
2978 [18:19:44] <DebWut> ^ cant find any evil code or anything,
have no clue why it would accept connections either
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2981 [18:20:19] <DebWut>
replaced-url
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2983 [18:20:26] <jhutchins> DebWut: You can't trust any of
the tools you're using to investigate this.
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2986 [18:22:09] <Cl0udN9ne>
replaced-url
2987 [18:22:20] <Cl0udN9ne> why am i getting this when running
this sh file
2988 [18:22:23] <petn-randall> DebWut: I'm surprised they
didn't patch netstat/ps/top to hide their root kits.
2989 [18:22:30] <Cl0udN9ne> cp: cannot stat
'libplugin1.so.0.1': No such file or directory
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2991 [18:23:15] <petn-randall> Cl0udN9ne: Sounds pretty
self-explainatory. Line 20 is looking for that file, it doesn't
exist.
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2994 [18:23:45] <Silmaril> petn-randall: well they possibly are
patched , i've never seen cron accepting remote tcp connection
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2996 [18:23:58] <Cl0udN9ne> petn-randall: thnx
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2999 [18:24:16] <petn-randall> Silmaril: Any process can change
the process name, there are no guarantees there.
3000 [18:24:42] <Silmaril> yes, well i told it just earlier
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3004 [18:24:55] <kang0> Anyone uses wireshark?
3005 [18:25:07] <Silmaril> but another way is via kernel rootkit
or modified userland
3006 [18:26:13] <petn-randall> kang0: Probably many people. Better
ask your real question.
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3016 [18:29:20] <kang0> What are fun things to learn by using
Wireshark
3017 [18:29:33] <petn-randall> DebWut: Also expect that
*everything* on that machine has been backed up by the attacker, so
take precautions regarding any compromised data.
3018 [18:30:01] <petn-randall> kang0: Are you using Kali or
Parrot?
3019 [18:30:12] <DebWut> Yea we are working on moving some day old
backups
3020 [18:30:17] <kang0> Nope. Linux mint petan
3021 [18:30:23] <DebWut> Wont risk moving over infected content so
we are rolling back a bit
3022 [18:30:24] <kang0> petn-randall
3023 [18:30:37] <petn-randall> !mint
3024 [18:30:37] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not
supported in #debian. Please use their forums at
replaced-url
3025 [18:30:53] <petn-randall> kang0: You might want to ask in
their channel. ^^^
3026 [18:31:17] <kang0> My query isn't about mint
3027 [18:31:46] <kang0> !kali
3028 [18:31:46] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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3030 [18:32:04] <greycat> If your query is about wireshark, ask
#wireshark
3031 [18:32:25] <greycat> Don't just pick a random OS channel
that isn't even your OS.
3032 [18:32:28] <kang0> My query Is also not about wireshark
3033 [18:32:40] <tsarompy> s/kali/skiddie/g
3034 [18:32:40] <tsarompy> :y
3035 [18:32:47] <kang0> It's about fun possible ways if
someone experienced with it
3036 [18:33:31] * greycat wondering if he got banned from #wireshark for
being an obvious script kiddie, or if he's just not able to
join the channel due to not-registered or other technical failure.
3037 [18:33:46] <kang0> !parrot
3038 [18:33:46] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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3040 [18:33:54] <tsarompy> lol
3041 [18:33:55] <kang0> Asking is better than wondering
3042 [18:33:56] <tsarompy> !windows
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3044 [18:33:57] <dpkg> "PCs are like air conditioners, if you
open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft
Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on
irc.freenode.net.
3045 [18:34:35] <tsarompy> !freebsd
3046 [18:34:36] <dpkg> i guess freebsd is NOT better than Debian,
and it is not worse. It is just different. Admittedly one might be
more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a
desktop workstation.
replaced-url
3047 [18:34:47] <petn-randall> tsarompy, kang0, stop abusing the
bot.
3048 [18:34:51] <greycat> If you want to chat with dpkg, please do
it in /msg or /query
3049 [18:34:57] <tsarompy> >:|
3050 [18:34:58] <tsarompy> ok
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3052 [18:35:31] <petn-randall> tsarompy, kang0, this is a Debian
support channel. If you have any *Debian*-related questions, feel
free to ask in here. Any other request please take to the channel
where it is on-topic.
3053 [18:35:36] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with
request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a
ticket. No matter what i do on a new install. Single queue, single
user.
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3055 [18:35:41] <kang0> petn-randall tsaromp is bot?
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3057 [18:35:51] <greycat> Fuck, now ioudas^working is back to
repeat-spamming his initial question.
3058 [18:36:01] <tsarompy> i aint no bot
3059 [18:36:04] <ioudas^working> Oh noeees
3060 [18:36:13] <kang0> Prove it tsarompy
3061 [18:36:26] <tsarompy> i cant :(
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3063 [18:36:28] <petn-randall> ioudas^working: If you don't
get an answer of the course of a day, it might be a better approach
to ask on the debian-user mailing list.
3064 [18:36:37] <petn-randall> s/of/over/
3065 [18:36:58] <ioudas^working> thank ya petn-randall. I will
keep that in mind.
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3067 [18:37:52] <petn-randall> greycat: Pleas try to keep it
family-friendly in here. I mean, we'd be holding that against
any users in here, too.
3068 [18:38:00] <petn-randall> +e
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3090 [18:45:04] <pastaman> Hey, i'm looking to create test
packages for an application and i just wanted to know how the
postinst detects if it is a fresh install or a package upgrade? I
would like to have a different set of instructions if the package is
only being upgraded
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3093 [18:45:46] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I still didn't fix my
permissions problem. Can you help me with that?
3094 [18:45:51] <pastaman> would checking if the directory etc
existing be a good way or is there a better way?
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3096 [18:46:14] <greycat> hexhaxtron: I cannot reproduce your
issue on nginx/wheezy at all.
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3098 [18:46:33] <petn-randall> pastaman: IIRC your postinst
scripti gets 'install', 'upgrade', etc. passed
as first argument. You'd have to check the packaging docs for
details.
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3101 [18:46:57] <petn-randall> !packaging
3102 [18:46:57] <dpkg> See
replaced-url
3103 [18:47:03] <petn-randall> pastaman: That also might help ^^^
3104 [18:47:46] <hexhaxtron> greycat: can you spare 15 minutes
with VNC or TeamViewer?
3105 [18:47:57] <greycat> that's funny. ha ha.
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3107 [18:48:02] <pastaman> petn-randall: thanks, i'll take a
gander at it!
3108 [18:49:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1713
3109 [18:49:33] <greycat> hexhaxtron: what's in your nginx
config for the ~user/ stuff?
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3112 [18:50:29] <hexhaxtron> greycat:
replaced-url
3113 [18:50:49] <hexhaxtron> greycat: line 50.
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3117 [18:51:49] <greycat> hexhaxtron: no no no, that's in a
http block. You need the one in the server block. Line 117 or so.
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3120 [18:53:31] <hexhaxtron> greycat: what should I do?
3121 [18:53:52] <greycat> oh, wait you have another server block
at line 37 ... :(
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3124 [18:54:29] <greycat> But they both say server_name localhost;
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3126 [18:55:11] <greycat> Your indentation is utterly crazy. I
can't tell what's where. The normal Debian nginx config
has each server block in a separate file in sites-available/
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3129 [18:56:01] <greycat> I can't tell whether your server
block at line 104 is used *at all*.
3130 [18:56:27] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I don't know what I did
but I think that one is for thunix.org and the other for
replaced-url
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3132 [18:56:41] <greycat> Are those in vhosts.d/*.conf then?
3133 [18:57:12] <hexhaxtron> I think not.
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3136 [18:57:17] <greycat> Oh, you have TWO server_name lines in
each server block. One at the top and one at the bottom. My god.
3137 [18:57:28] <greycat> This is unreadable.
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3139 [18:58:09] <hexhaxtron> greycat: can you fix it?
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3142 [18:59:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1707
3143 [18:59:07] <greycat> Which virtual host are you using when
you experience the problem? With or without
replaced-url
3144 [18:59:31] <greycat> I'm *guessing* the second
server_name line wins and overwrites the first one in each block...
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3150 [19:01:05] <hexhaxtron> greycat: with both.
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3154 [19:02:43] <greycat> hexhaxtron: since I don't
remember... what version of Debian, and what version of nginx?
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3158 [19:03:22] <hexhaxtron> greycat: Debian 9 and nginx version:
nginx/1.10.3
3159 [19:03:25] <greycat> For anyone else trying to follow along:
hexhaxtron claims that if he does "chmod 711 ~user" then
nginx gives a 403 for domain/~user/file
3160 [19:03:36] <hexhaxtron> Yup.
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3163 [19:04:05] <hexhaxtron> That actually happens here for some
reason.
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3191 [19:14:15] <Irulan> hello. Since I upgraded to stretch, one
of my xen hosts hangs every few days
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3193 [19:14:29] <Irulan> here is the dmesg:
replaced-url
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3198 [19:15:39] <Irulan> I tried with linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64
and linux-image-4.9.0-3-rt-amd64 ; and got the same behaviour
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3203 [19:16:57] <tsarompy> lol
3204 [19:17:03] <tsarompy> anyone getting any funky sudo errors
3205 [19:17:30] <somiaj> why not share the error you are getting,
use paste.debian.net if it is more than a single line
3206 [19:17:38] <tsarompy> i set NOPASSWD in visudo and it
randomly asks me for my password and then insists its wrong
3207 [19:17:43] <tsarompy> oh just an observation
3208 [19:17:46] <tsarompy> ill find a fix
3209 [19:17:47] <Irulan> other guests do not hang this way (the
hang is pretty definitive, machine is unresponsive from network and
console. When it happens at night, machine is struck in the morning)
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3214 [19:18:00] <greycat> hexhaxtron: I just installed nginx on
this desktop machine, set up a VERY minimal /~user/ snippet in a
server block for localhost, and tested. I can't reproduce your
issue. chmod 711 ~ and it still loads the file.
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3216 [19:19:22] <somiaj> tsarompy: you would need to give some
actual info, what is the exact line you set in your sudoers file,
are there any other lines/groups that could be taking presisence,
etc.
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3222 [19:20:24] <tsarompy> lol i found out what it was
3223 [19:20:33] <tsarompy> for some reason my standard user
account was removed from the group sudo
3224 [19:20:34] <tsarompy> weird
3225 [19:20:59] <Irulan> I have a few another debian guests on
this host which works well (but they have WAY less services)
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3233 [19:25:09] <nkuttler> meh, how do i get rid of python-minimal
and get a real python2?
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3246 [19:30:16] <jordanm> nkuttler: install the "python"
package, but that doesn't get "rid" of -minimal,
since -minimal is a dependency of the python2.7 package
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3251 [19:31:19] <greycat> P.S. python is priority standard, so it
should have been installed by default, unless you overrode the
"standard" choice during install.
3252 [19:31:25] <hexhaxtron> greycat:
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3253 [19:31:35] <hexhaxtron> greycat: could it be the different
groups?
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3256 [19:32:02] <greycat> hexhaxtron: did you do "chmod
-R" instead of "chmod"??!?
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3258 [19:32:17] <hexhaxtron> greycat: no, just chmod alone.
3259 [19:32:28] <greycat> Then why does your index.html file has
711 perms?
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3261 [19:32:45] <hexhaxtron> To see if it would work...
3262 [19:32:48] <greycat> Is your chmod an alias or something?
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3264 [19:33:09] <hexhaxtron> I don't know.
3265 [19:33:10] <greycat> /home/h/hexhaxtron/ should be 711 and
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3266 [19:33:23] <hexhaxtron> Just a moment.
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3269 [19:34:22] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I did that. I still get 403
Forbidden.
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3276 [19:36:18] <hexhaxtron> greycat: I'm going to sleep.
I'll be back tomorrow. See you!
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3286 [19:44:57] <Tenkawa> hi all
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3323 [20:00:53] <Optic> hey folks, is the pepperflash-nonfree
package removed from stretch? is there an alternative?
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3327 [20:01:20] <Optic> I the Flash related pages on the debian
wiki don't have any Stretch info yet, that I've seen
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3330 [20:01:34] <Optic> pepperflashplugin-nonfree, rather
3331 [20:01:48] <OS-23404> #join
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3339 [20:05:23] <pbourne> any americans here?
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3341 [20:05:36] <greycat> !ask
3342 [20:05:36] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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3344 [20:06:09] <pbourne> is it true that you can easily find
yourself in debt for tens of thousands for hospital bills if you
have a minor injury in the USA?
3345 [20:06:26] <greycat> If you don't have a Debian
question, please go somewhere else.
3346 [20:06:30] <pbourne> ok
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3349 [20:10:18] <ioudas^working> Any of you guys messed with
request tracker at all? Cant get the custom fields to show up on a
ticket. No matter what i do on a new install. Single queue, single
user.
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3374 [20:24:07] <allan_wind> What is the correct way to change
systemd service files? I seem to have lost local changes.
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3378 [20:25:01] <greycat> If you want to make major changes, copy
the file from /lib/systemd/system into /etc/systemd/system and edit
the copy.
3379 [20:25:32] <greycat> If you want to override part of it,
mkdir /etc/systemd/system/foobar.service.d/ and create a file whose
name ends with .conf inside there and just put in the [section] and
the one line you want to change.
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3384 [20:26:57] <allan_wind> greycat: I just need to add an arg to
ExecStart. Sounds like the latter part is the way to go. So my
original service section has 4 command lines, so I just need to add
the one line then, right?
3385 [20:27:11] <greycat> [Service]
3386 [20:27:15] <greycat> ExecStart=whatever
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3388 [20:27:20] <allan_wind> yeah, sorry, what I meant
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3391 [20:27:26] <allan_wind> how would I have figured this out
myself?
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3393 [20:27:45] <th0r> is there a place I can download the cd
image for debian8?
3394 [20:28:06] <allan_wind> th0r: yeah, easy to find from the
home page
3395 [20:28:12] <greycat> allan_wind: googling, or reading LOTS of
man pages, because it's all in there, but it's buried in
the heap of literally over one hundred man pages.
3396 [20:28:39] <allan_wind> greycat: sigh, so not just me then.
thx
3397 [20:28:39] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dpkg -L systemd | grep -c
/man
3398 [20:28:39] <greycat> 181
3399 [20:28:46] <th0r> allan_wind: I am on debian.org. I see the
current cd's, but don't see any mention of jessie
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3403 [20:30:12] <allan_wind> th0r: oh yeah, sorry, I missed the
part of looking for old stable
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3405 [20:30:38] <greycat> !archive
3406 [20:30:38] <dpkg> archive is probably a collection of files.
'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving
tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate
operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian
releases, see
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3417 [20:34:39] <allan_wind> greycat: is there a way to dryrun a
service with my local conf file?
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3419 [20:35:25] <greycat> Not quite sure what that means... you
can read "man systemctl" to see what all the funny options
are.
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3421 [20:35:52] <allan_wind> greycat: testing if my change works,
I guess, without waiting for the service which in this case is
.timer
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3423 [20:35:56] <Tenkawa> allan_wind: you mean like a dry-run test
it right?
3424 [20:36:06] <allan_wind> Tenkawa: yeah, exactly
3425 [20:36:11] <Tenkawa> for syntax type stuff
3426 [20:36:14] <greycat> My best guess is that he means a syntax
verification without actually running anything.
3427 [20:36:27] <esaym153> how do I find all packages that are
install that have a version that contains "dmo"? (trying
to remove deb-multimedia packages)
3428 [20:36:48] <allan_wind> esaym153: I would do dpkg -l|grep dmo
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3436 [20:40:16] <allan_wind> systemctl daemon-reload &&
systemctl show certbot shows me two ExecStart lines from the
original .service file and from my .conf, so I guess I just assume
the latter overrides the former and I am good.
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3438 [20:40:51] <greycat> You might want to ask a systemd expert.
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3441 [20:41:26] <greycat> Ah, here...
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3442 [20:41:32] <greycat> ExecStart is *special* :-/
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3448 [20:42:47] <allan_wind> greycat: *sigh*, I went from open
mind to dislike to hating systemd
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3456 [20:45:12] <allan_wind> as a user, what is the best way to
communicate this sentiment back to project? I know this decision was
contentious and even caused a fork
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3458 [20:46:12] <greycat> Actually *using* a different init
system, and making sure that people know it (e.g. participating in
popularity-contest), perhaps.
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3463 [20:47:34] <greycat> If 25% of Debian systems migrate from
systemd to sysvinit or runit, that'll probably make an impact.
More so than the one-millionth complaint.
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3466 [20:47:53] * Tenkawa runs sysvinit
3467 [20:48:51] <Tenkawa> then again I got my start on the
original system v
3468 [20:48:53] <Tenkawa> hehehe
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3472 [20:49:22] <allan_wind> so
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3479 [20:49:27] <allan_wind> did I
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3481 [20:49:32] <Tenkawa> I still remember my old at&t and ncr
boxes
3482 [20:49:33] <Tenkawa> heheh
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3490 [20:50:23] <allan_wind> popcon says 153k systemd, and 72k
sysvinit. Is that the right packages to do systemd vs old style
init?
3491 [20:50:27] <teraflops> if youre kind of unix guy you gotta
love runit
3492 [20:50:40] <greycat> I've never tried runit yet.
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3494 [20:50:52] <allan_wind> runit 2k, he
3495 [20:50:54] <allan_wind> h
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3497 [20:51:04] <Tenkawa> allan_wind: does popcon list
sysvinit-core or just sysvinit?
3498 [20:51:17] <teraflops> allan_wind: that means nothing :P
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3500 [20:51:31] <allan_wind> sysvinit-core is 4k
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3502 [20:51:48] <Tenkawa> yeah popcon is skewed then
3503 [20:52:09] <Tenkawa> since I'm pretty sure you need
sysvinit-core for actual /etc/inittab usage
3504 [20:52:19] <Tenkawa> although I might be wrong
3505 [20:52:32] <Tenkawa> usage being "primary" usage
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3509 [20:52:48] <greycat> sysvinit-core is what the bot says to
use for migration, so that sounds correct
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3514 [20:53:06] <allan_wind> migration back to sysvinit?
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3517 [20:53:24] <Tenkawa> yeah when you switch you have to install
sysvinit-core
3518 [20:53:38] <allan_wind> I don't haver either sysvinit or
sysvinit-core on my systemd systems
3519 [20:53:43] <allan_wind> (installed)
3520 [20:53:49] <Tenkawa> then make sure /sbin/init is the binary
for sysvinit
3521 [20:54:00] <Tenkawa> I do.
3522 [20:54:02] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
3523 [20:54:03] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in
stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and
reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install
runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init",
and reboot again.
3524 [20:54:08] <Tenkawa> Its the first thing I do
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3527 [20:54:45] <Tenkawa> I have no need for sytemd
3528 [20:54:48] <Tenkawa> er systemd
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3542 [20:57:30] <allan_wind> The only thing official is that
systemd is the default, right? Good chance that both runit and
sysvinit will be around "forever', right?
3543 [20:57:44] <johnkeates> i want launchd
3544 [20:57:59] <allan_wind> johnkeates: didn't ubutn retract
that?
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3548 [20:58:02] <greycat> sysvinit and runit are not *entirely*
supported in stretch. Most packages still ship init.d scripts but
it's not a requirement.
3549 [20:58:15] <allan_wind> *ugh*
3550 [20:58:15] <greycat> (I don't really know how runit
works.)
3551 [20:58:16] <johnkeates> no, that was upstart
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3553 [20:58:21] <allan_wind> got it
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3558 [20:59:03] <insecurity> where are you going?
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3560 [20:59:25] <teraflops> I never run runit on debian, I do it
in void linux where it is the official init system
3561 [20:59:26] <Tenkawa> whats launchd's improvement?
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3563 [21:00:17] <allan_wind>
replaced-url
3564 [21:00:26] <allan_wind> first hit on that q
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3569 [21:02:05] <allan_wind> Tenkawa:
replaced-url
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3571 [21:02:23] <Tenkawa> I've read the comparisons
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3573 [21:02:29] <Tenkawa> my point is.. why
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3576 [21:03:06] <Tenkawa> they are all still very similar
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3578 [21:04:19] <Tenkawa> each has their owm +/-
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3580 [21:04:42] <Tenkawa> I'm happy with what I'm using
hehehe
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3585 [21:07:29] <allan_wind> Tenkawa: sysvinit or did you go with
runit?
3586 [21:08:02] <allan_wind> never mind, teraflops was saying
runit
3587 [21:08:54] <Tenkawa> I like sysvinit personally
3588 [21:09:30] <greycat> I abhor sysvinit. It is utter garbage.
3589 [21:09:54] <greycat> The only reasonable reason to use it is
because people have 20 years of experience working around its flaws.
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3594 [21:10:24] <Tenkawa> greycat: if you just need a simple
number of services running it is quite adequate
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3596 [21:10:43] <tw> I usually just accept the default, whatever
the OS default is (systemd these days for debian). If I have to
build the OS myself, I usually go with busybox init.
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3599 [21:11:15] <BluesKaj> who cares what kind of starter it has,
as long as the car starts {-)
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3603 [21:11:57] <Tenkawa> BluesKaj: yep
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3606 [21:13:01] <allan_wind> BluesKaj: well, kinda... systemd had
a recent root exploit, it doesn't play well with syslog (at
least by default), systemd has a whole new set of tools and ways of
making changes
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3609 [21:14:05] <allan_wind> man -k systemd|wc -l is 150 on my
system
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3611 [21:14:43] <jmcnaught> sucks that it's so well
documented… but this is a better topic for #debian-offtopic
3612 [21:14:51] <thanatos-inc_> allan_wind: systemd has an unfixed
root exploit? links to that, preferably from Debian BTS?
3613 [21:15:08] <BluesKaj> the only reason I complained about
systemd was where to set the dns nameserver IPs, once I found out ,
everything went fine
3614 [21:15:24] <jmcnaught> thanatos-inc_:
replaced-url
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3616 [21:15:41] <greycat> It's not a "root
exploit". It's just systemd being utterly stupid about
handling usernames that start with a digit. Which is in turn a
stupid thing to do.
3617 [21:16:11] <allan_wind> jmcnaught: cool that debian has that
info
3618 [21:16:14] <thanatos-inc_> jmcnaught: tnx. greycat: ah, that
thing. tnx, heard of that one.
3619 [21:16:34] <greycat> You have to already *be* root to get the
User=3Jane "bug" to happen and run the service as root, so
there is no privilege escalation. Just a surprise.
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3622 [21:17:22] <tw>
replaced-url
3623 [21:17:24] <greycat> (The actual behavior under discussion:
User=xxx lines may sometimes be ignored, running the service as
root.)
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3627 [21:19:39] <trulu> greetings all
3628 [21:19:43] <allan_wind> sorry, didn't mean to stir up a
pot, just wanted to do the right thing as a plain old user which
didn't have a say when there was a vote
3629 [21:19:56] <trulu> I'm getting this error all the time
while i'm installing in chroot stretch
3630 [21:19:57] <trulu> stalling base packages. This will be
re-attempted up to five times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log
for details (possibly the package
/var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault)
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3632 [21:20:56] <jmcnaught> trulu: are there any details in that
log? what is the debootstap command that you used?
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3639 [21:23:33] <tw> greycat: what's the correct behavior
there? I'd expect it to not run the unit at all because User is
invalid.
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3641 [21:23:45] <julius> why are there no kernel headers for 4.8.0
shown by apt search linux-headers ?
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3643 [21:24:02] <greycat>
replaced-url
3644 [21:24:11] <jmcnaught> julius: because stretch has kernel
4.9, i asked you last night why are you still on 4.8?
3645 [21:24:17] <greycat> because the 4.8.0 kernel was replaced by
4.9.0
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3647 [21:24:44] <greycat> you'll have to dig the headers out
of the same snapshot/archive where you dug up that old kernel
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3649 [21:24:55] <greycat> or if it's self-built, then you
should have built the headers also
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3653 [21:28:08] <trulu> @jmcnaught no just that
3654 [21:28:22] <trulu> W: Failure while installing base packages.
This will be re-attempted up to five times. W: See
//debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package
/var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault) W: Failure
while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five
times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly
the package /var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault)
W: Fail
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3656 [21:28:42] <tw> poettering politics, best not to think about
it. Effectively he says a parse failure is ignored and this is not a
defect, but a valid line with non-present user will fail the
service. Odd behavioral choice.
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3658 [21:29:21] <trulu> where are the deboostgrap logs I
don't see them
3659 [21:29:59] <Tenkawa> trulu: find / -type f -name
"debootstrap.log"
3660 [21:30:31] <Tenkawa> how many show up?
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3662 [21:31:55] <trulu>
lleywellyn@ubuntu-mini-server:~/os-rootfs-debian-stretch$ sudo find
/ -type f -name "debootstrap.log"
lleywellyn@ubuntu-mini-server:~/os-rootfs-debian-stretch$
3663 [21:31:58] <trulu> zero
3664 [21:32:24] <Tenkawa> and thats the machine you ran
debootstrap from?
3665 [21:32:49] <jmcnaught> trulu: the log is not in the root of
the target?
3666 [21:32:54] <Tenkawa> intriguing
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3669 [21:35:01] <jmcnaught> trulu: "grep deboostrap.log
$(which debootstrap)" shows it is writing to
$TARGET/debootstrap/debootstrap.log
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3671 [21:35:33] <jmcnaught> oh and then moves it to
/var/log/bootstrap.log at some point
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3673 [21:35:40] <Tenkawa> jmcnaught: that find I gave him shouldve
found it anywhere on the machine
3674 [21:36:12] <tw> note missing "de" at the beginning
of the logfile name.
3675 [21:36:12] <Tenkawa> and thats why i'm intrigued that
theres no files being found at all
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3677 [21:36:16] <trulu> I'm running in ubuntu inside
virtualbox
3678 [21:36:28] <trulu> Within Windows 10
3679 [21:36:43] <julius> jmcnaught: yes sorry..i answered maybe a
day later
3680 [21:37:03] <trulu> jmcnaught: the command is running
3681 [21:37:05] <julius> jmcnaught: because 4.9 something didnt
want to boot from my encrypted lvm, wasnt able to find it
3682 [21:37:08] <Tenkawa> trulu: make sure to make that find
whatever the filename match the name of the file its looking for if
i typed it wrong
3683 [21:37:13] <trulu> jmcnaught: I think it will take some time
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3689 [21:39:04] <jmcnaught> trulu: open another terminal and look
for ./var/log/bootstrap.log and ./debootstrap/debootstrap.log inside
the target directory while find is working
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3694 [21:40:35] <jmcnaught> julius: is it something like you were
on testing and had trouble with a new kernel, so reverted to an
older one and have not upgraded since?
3695 [21:41:48] <trulu> there is nothing
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3698 [21:42:22] <trulu> jmcnaught: this is the project I'm
trying to generate a debian stretch root fs
3699 [21:42:23] <trulu>
replaced-url
3700 [21:42:24] <rapha> debhelper: !stretchsources
3701 [21:42:29] <rapha> Hmm...
3702 [21:42:50] <greycat> jmcnaught: I'm guessing "ran
testing before stretch was released, got 4.8.0, never finished
upgrading to stretch"
3703 [21:42:52] <rapha> What was the command again to get the list
of the default stretch sources.list from the bot?
3704 [21:43:02] <trulu> jmcnaught: Try it yourself it doesn't
work
3705 [21:43:03] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
3706 [21:43:04] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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3709 [21:43:13] <trulu> jmcnaught: first you have to do make build
3710 [21:43:14] <rapha> Tenkawa: jmcnaught: btw the tablet that
was so much trouble yesterday has fully working wifi now :)
3711 [21:43:19] <rapha> Thank you jelly!
3712 [21:43:24] <trulu> jmcnaught: and then you can make
arm64-debian
3713 [21:43:29] <jmcnaught> trulu: i used debootstrap the other
day with no problem, but i didn't need to check its logs
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3715 [21:44:04] <jmcnaught> trulu: and
$TARGET/var/log/bootstrap.log exists for me
3716 [21:44:30] <Tenkawa> rapha: cool :)
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3718 [21:45:34] <trulu> jmcnaught: I looked and could not find
anything
3719 [21:45:39] <jmcnaught> trulu: i would change this line to
"replaced-url
3720 [21:45:45] <jmcnaught> trulu:
replaced-url
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3723 [21:46:41] <jmcnaught> rapha: FYI the debian wiki has a page
about sources.list with an example you can copy/paste easier than
from IRC. Checking the wiki before IRC is a good idea
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3726 [21:48:07] <trulu> jmcnaught: Ok let me test with the new url
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3734 [21:52:29] <trulu> jmcnaught: It is in second stage now !
3735 [21:52:39] <trulu> jmcnaught: Let's see if it works
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3745 [21:55:19] <rapha> jmcnaught: No copy-pasting here, sir.
It's manual labour the old fashioned way.
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3747 [21:55:51] <rapha> !stretch mirrors
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3752 [21:58:15] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell rapha about self tell
3753 [21:58:56] <jmcnaught> rapha: search for factoids here
replaced-url
3754 [21:59:19] <greycat> or if you KNOW the name of the factoid,
just /msg dpkg stretch sources.list
3755 [21:59:23] <LtL> rapha:
replaced-url
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3757 [22:02:14] <trulu> jmcnaught: I: Unpacking
libxapian30:arm64... W: Failure while installing base packages. This
will be re-attempted up to five times. W: See
//debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly the package
/var/cache/apt/archives/init_1.48_arm64.deb is at fault) W: Failure
while installing base packages. This will be re-attempted up to five
times. W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details (possibly
the package /var/cache/apt/arch
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3759 [22:02:43] <trulu> jmcnaught: it is building on qemu for
arm64 let's not forget
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3761 [22:04:21] <jmcnaught> trulu: have you checked the BTS for
bugs on the packages mentioned in the error message? Still no logs?
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3764 [22:05:30] <trulu> jmcnaught:
lleywellyn@ubuntu-mini-server:~/os-rootfs-debian-stretch$ sudo find
/ -name debootstrap
/home/lleywellyn/image-builder-odroid-c2-mainline/build/usr/share/docker-engine/contrib/mkimage/debootstrap
/usr/share/docker.io/contrib/mkimage/debootstrap
/var/lib/docker/aufs/diff/f9e5869e0e1875feb2f01bc4a3e54e7e328431aa7b3c9eaae90e6d57171cd562/usr/share/doc/debootstrap
/var/lib/docker/aufs/diff/f9e5869e0e1875feb2f01bc4a3e54e7e328431aa
3765 [22:06:02] <trulu> jmcnaught: still no logs
3766 [22:06:10] <rapha> jmcnaught: Ah, thanks! :)
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3768 [22:06:24] <Tenkawa> umm
3769 [22:06:32] <Tenkawa> that find doesnt look right
3770 [22:06:45] <jmcnaught> where is /usr/sbin/debootstrap?
3771 [22:06:59] <Tenkawa> I dont see anything ".log"
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3774 [22:07:58] <trulu> jmcnaught: I just did sudo apt-get install
debootstrap
3775 [22:08:04] <trulu> and It installed something
3776 [22:08:28] <trulu> jmanfatty:
lleywellyn@ubuntu-mini-server:~/os-rootfs-debian-stretch$ sudo
apt-get install debootstrap Reading package lists... Done Building
dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following NEW
packages will be installed: debootstrap 0 upgraded, 1 newly
installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 36.7 kB of
archives. After this operation, 258 kB of additional disk space will
be used. Get:1
replaced-url
3777 [22:08:31] <jmcnaught> just now? so was it using a third
party debootstrap?
3778 [22:08:47] <trulu> maybe it is using docker
3779 [22:09:19] <trulu> jmcnaught: yeah look at the Makefile
3780 [22:09:24] <trulu> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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3815 [22:27:01] <HeXiLeD> i have a problem with an HP printer and
debian. Is there a unofficial or testing repo for the hplip drivers
? currently i am with Version: 3.16.11+repack0-1~bpo8+1
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3822 [22:29:41] <Brigo> ,v hplip
3823 [22:29:42] <judd> Package: hplip on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u2; jessie:
3.14.6-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3.16.11+repack0-1~bpo8+1;
stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; sid: 3.17.6+repack0-2; buster:
3.17.6+repack0-2
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3832 [22:32:19] <trulu> jmcnaught: I'm back
3833 [22:32:50] <trulu> jmcnaught: grep deboostrap.log $(which
debootstrap) didn't returned anything it is pending freeze
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3838 [22:34:09] <jmcnaught> trulu: where is debootstrap (the first
one in the path)? I would test using the Debian bootstrap, and/or
ask the Docker people while logging was removed from theirs
3839 [22:35:02] <trulu> jmcnaught: it is inside the docker
container
3840 [22:35:10] <trulu> jmcnaught: Everything is done in Docker
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3842 [22:35:20] <trulu> jmcnaught: It seems like that
3843 [22:35:23] <trulu> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
3844 [22:36:08] <trulu> jmcnaught: arm64-debian: build docker run
--rm $(DEFAULT_OPTS) -e BUILD_ARCH=arm64 -e QEMU_ARCH=aarch64 -e
TRAVIS_TAG -e HYPRIOT_OS_VERSION -v $(shell pwd):/workspace
--privileged rootfs-builder
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3847 [22:37:17] <jmcnaught> trulu: inside the docker container you
cannot force debootstrap to install and call it by absolute path?
Any luck checking the BTS for the packages mentioned in the error?
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3850 [22:37:45] <trulu> jmcnaught: I have no idea
3851 [22:37:55] <trulu> jmcnaught: What is BTS
3852 [22:38:16] <greycat> bug tracking system
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3854 [22:39:06] <trulu> jmcnaught: I don't know where is the
BTS didn't checked
3855 [22:39:35] <greycat> !bts
3856 [22:39:36] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages,
replaced-url
3857 [22:39:37] <jmcnaught> trulu:
replaced-url
3858 [22:40:01] <ForceRecon> debian needs to be more understanding
that if you change something in the bios after install it should
make the change and not just black screen
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3860 [22:41:09] <trulu> jmcnaught: let me see that link
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3862 [22:41:46] <trulu> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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3864 [22:44:45] <jmcnaught> hmmm… i was going to suggest
trying this outside of Docker, but qemu-debootstrap doesn't
seem to be in stretch
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3868 [22:46:09] <jmcnaught> oh it's in qemu-user-static
package
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3871 [22:47:54] <AciD`> hey guys, when I plug an external SSD (in
an Advance box), I get this in dmesg :
replaced-url
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3875 [22:48:48] <jmcnaught> AciD`: is it listed by "udisksctl
status"?
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3891 [22:55:43] <paqcito> Hello. Is anyone on here who knows about
virtualization? I've been reading about it, I also want to say
I'm very new with all these stuff. I've got linux on my
computer since last week. I understand the difference bewteen
hypervisor type 1 and type 2, like how to administrate them, but...
I dont understand what is the perk of the type 1 when people talk
about hardware compatibility. Is there some source where I can read?
I've been go
3892 [22:55:47] <paqcito> dont understand.
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3894 [22:56:22] <paqcito> Hello. Is anyone on here who knows about
virtualization? I've been reading about it, I also want to say
I'm very new with all these stuff. I've got linux on my
computer since last week. I understand the difference bewteen
hypervisor type 1 and type 2, like how to administrate them, but...
I dont understand what is the perk of the type 1 when people talk
about hardware compatibility. Is there some source where I can read?
I've been go
3895 [22:56:25] <paqcito> dont understand.
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3897 [22:57:32] <jmcnaught> paqcito: did you read the wikipedia
article about virtualization?
3898 [22:57:42] <paqcito> jmcnaught: yes
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3900 [22:58:01] <paqcito> I've been googling for 3 days,
i'm sick of reading and dont understand the difference.
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3902 [22:58:26] <paqcito> I can crealy see some obvious
difference, but I dont understand about compatibility
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3904 [22:58:45] <jmcnaught> paqcito: what compatibility issues are
you concerned about? what are you trying to accomplish?
3905 [22:58:47] <l4m8d4> Is debian-next not on freenode anymore?
3906 [22:59:07] <jmcnaught> l4m8d4: it's been on irc.oftc.net
for a real long time
3907 [22:59:10] <jelly> l4m8d4, not in the last decade
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3909 [22:59:31] <l4m8d4> Seems strange to me that one is on
freenode and one on oftc
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3912 [23:00:03] <jelly> it _is_ strange. This channel is the
exception, everything else is on irc.debian.org = irc.oftc.net
3913 [23:00:44] <HeXiLeD> is there backports for buster?
3914 [23:01:05] <paqcito> jmcnaught: I've been reading and
watching some videos where they speak about the perks of hyper
type1. But what about it? If I have a VM type-2 on my personal
computer and I take it on a USB and run it on another computer when
Im travelling, is there any posibility there is hardware
incompatility? Thats what I understod doesnt happen with H-Type1.
3915 [23:01:09] <jmcnaught> HeXiLeD: no, backports are for stable
releases, buster is still testing (and only just got started)
3916 [23:01:13] <paqcito> Dunno how or why, what
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3919 [23:02:09] <AciD`> jmcnaught > I see "ASMT 2105 0
00000000000000000000 sdc", so yes, but no serial, isn't
odd?
3920 [23:02:21] <jmcnaught> paqcito: i would put the differences
between types of hypervisors aside for the moment and tell use what
you're trying to do with VMs right now. Are you just trying to
get started with using them?
3921 [23:02:37] <jmcnaught> AciD`: yeah, seems odd. did you try
"fdisk /dev/sdc"?
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3924 [23:03:03] <Silmaril> paqcito: the difference is merely of
implementation, you shouldn't worry about this in early
experimentation stages
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3926 [23:03:19] <AciD`> doing it now
3927 [23:03:54] <AciD`> "fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: No
medium found", this is weird
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3931 [23:04:45] <AciD`> could that be a faulty usb controller?
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3933 [23:05:16] <jmcnaught> AciD`: maybe. is there more about it
in the logs now?
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3936 [23:06:38] <paqcito> jmcnaught: i tried already but there
werent any type of incompatibily, but both of my PCs are dell, so
probably they got similiar hardware
3937 [23:06:49] <paqcito> also thats what people said, not me
3938 [23:07:04] <AciD`> jmcnaught > not much, I do see that :
replaced-url
3939 [23:07:09] <paqcito> Silmaril: I got you. Im just trying to
understand whats going on
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3943 [23:08:01] <paqcito> Since I got "late". Im trying
to become a sysadmin but theres a lot of technologies right now.
There isnt just virtualization now, there is also containers
3944 [23:08:09] <jmcnaught> paqcito: what hypervisor are you
using, and which guest OS are you talking about? Moving Debian VM
images around between virtualization hosts is unlikely to cause
issues
3945 [23:08:23] <Silmaril> paqcito: it's merely a
dictionnary/definition issue
3946 [23:08:41] <Silmaril> as with Tier networks or datacenter
3947 [23:08:41] <trulu> jmcnaught: I don't know what to do
from here
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3951 [23:10:05] <paqcito> jmcnaught: Im using VirtualBox H-Type2.
Host: Ubuntu. Guest: Debian, Arch, Ubuntu, CentOS. Ive tried many of
them.
3952 [23:10:27] <jmcnaught> trulu: if it were me I would use a
Debian system to install qemu-debootstrap (in the qemu-user-static
package) and try reproducing the issue there. If you get the same
error, you may at least get some logging information about it.
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3956 [23:10:42] <paqcito> Silmaril: Kinda worried when have no
experience on this, started just a couple of days ago and trying to
get the most knowledge so start working on IT
3957 [23:11:24] <trulu> don't you have linux on your pc ?
3958 [23:11:31] <trulu> or Debian
3959 [23:11:57] <jmcnaught> trulu: i'm not particularly
interested in debootstrapping with qemu at the moment, you can do it
though right?
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3963 [23:12:19] <trulu> I'm running everything in VirtualBox
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3965 [23:12:31] <trulu> I don't have any real debian OS on my
pc
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3968 [23:12:57] <tw> AciD`: i'd unplug the USB from the PC,
unplug/replug the hdd in the enclosure, then try again. If your host
controller port was bad on the PC, it probably wouldn't iterate
at all (wouldn't get USB device descriptor).
3969 [23:13:07] <jmcnaught> trulu: install a Debian VM in
VirtualBox, you're likely to run into situations where
it's useful to have one again
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3971 [23:13:31] <AciD`> tw > ok, trying
3972 [23:13:37] <trulu> is there a really small mini debian distro
for Virtualbox somewhere ?
3973 [23:13:40] <tw> AciD`: If the ASMT2105 is integrated, then
it's likely your device/drive is bad.
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3975 [23:14:11] <AciD`> the ssd is an OCZ vertex iirc
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3977 [23:14:20] <jmcnaught> trulu: install using the normal
netinst installer image, you don't need to install a desktop
environment when it asks
3978 [23:14:32] <trulu> ok
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3985 [23:15:59] <AciD`> well, I do not have access to screwdrivers
now, so I'll try later
3986 [23:16:05] <AciD`> thank you guys for your help
3987 [23:16:26] <trulu> jmcnaught: Found this
replaced-url
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3990 [23:17:56] <jmcnaught> trulu: use this:
replaced-url
3991 [23:18:19] <jmcnaught> trulu: the point is testing actual
Debian, not someone else's modified Debian
3992 [23:18:28] <trulu> ok
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3996 [23:21:17] <trulu> jmcnaught: which of the 3 version should I
download
3997 [23:21:51] <jmcnaught> trulu: "Small CDs or USB
sticks", the amd64 one
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4001 [23:22:31] <jmcnaught> why not just use the docker VM though,
it's running Debian isn't it?
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4005 [23:24:14] <trulu> jmcnaught: I'm in there is Graphical
Install and Install
4006 [23:25:50] <jmcnaught> trulu: the debian installer is pretty
easy to use, but if you have trouble consult the install manual:
replaced-url
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4010 [23:27:24] <trulu> jmcnaught: I choosed Install instead of
graphical install
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4015 [23:27:59] <Lope> Hey guys, I've rsync'd a root fs
from a partition install to a LVM.
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4017 [23:28:17] <Lope> I've got the PV inside /dev/sda1
4018 [23:28:27] <Lope> I managed to install grub to the drive and
update grub
4019 [23:28:34] <Lope> But i forgot to regen the initramfs.
4020 [23:28:43] <Lope> I'm having trouble doing that.
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4022 [23:28:54] <Lope> For now the PC boots the kernel, but then
the kernal can't mount root.
4023 [23:29:08] <Lope> it says the lv doesn't exist at that
point.
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4025 [23:29:20] <jim> is there a way to tell the regenator to put
the device mapper into the initrd?
4026 [23:29:20] <Lope> `mkinitramfs`
4027 [23:29:26] <Lope> does nothing and just shows me usage.
4028 [23:29:54] <Lope> If I run update-initramfs -u` it says
"update-initramfs is disabled since running on read only
media" (the boot disk)
4029 [23:30:06] <Lope> But I'm running it inside the chroot,
so it shouldn't block me like that.
4030 [23:30:22] <jmcnaught> Lope: did you do bind mounts to /dev
/proc and /sys?
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4033 [23:30:39] <Lope> yes
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4035 [23:31:21] <Lope> I also had to do bind mounts for /usr/sbin
and /usr/lib/grub to get grub-install to run successfully.
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4037 [23:31:25] <Lope> maybe that's interfering.
4038 [23:31:28] <Lope> I'll unmount them.
4039 [23:31:32] <jim> so then maybe the root LV isn't in an
activated VG
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4041 [23:32:07] <jmcnaught> it's more likely that the old
initrd doesn't have the LVM stuff it need in it
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4043 [23:32:22] <jim> is there a dev/volgrpname in the chroot?
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4046 [23:32:31] <Lope> okay it started doing stuff now that I
unmounted those 2 dirs.
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4050 [23:33:03] <Lope> It complained about mising modules for my
custom compiled kernel hehe.
4051 [23:33:10] <Lope> I'm not sure if that's a problem?
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4054 [23:33:37] <Lope> could not open /lib/modules/customkernel:
no such dir
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4056 [23:33:50] <Lope> oh, fatal it says.
4057 [23:34:18] <Lope> wondering why it didn't get the
modules :/
4058 [23:34:23] <jim> oh, the dm isn't one of the modules in
there? (note, debian usually makes the kernels with compiling as
many modules as possible
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4060 [23:34:40] <fugue> Howdy, I've got a debian installer I
have access to (console and via ssh server). Is there a way to
change the text that is displayed on console? (ie that little box)
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4062 [23:34:53] <jim> can you use a debian-compiled kernel?
4063 [23:35:17] <Lope> I'm looking in the dir it referred to,
and the modules dir does exist.
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4070 [23:36:35] <Lope> oh, the kernel it's complaining about,
I've removed.
4071 [23:36:42] <Lope> it's one of my old custom kernels.
4072 [23:36:45] <jim> the initrd regen process kinda depends on
having the kernel compiled using the debian process, i.e., into a
debian package
4073 [23:36:55] <Lope> So I've just gotta remove the old
reference wherever that's coming from.
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4077 [23:37:20] <Lope> the old initrd images
4078 [23:37:23] <Lope> gonna delete them.
4079 [23:37:34] <jim> I don't recommend that,
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4082 [23:38:21] <jim> they belong to a package
4083 [23:38:42] <Lope> it's still looking for the old kernel
modules
4084 [23:39:00] <jim> so install the old kernel package
4085 [23:39:09] <Lope> No I mean I custom compiled a.b.c and then
later I compiled and used a.b.d
4086 [23:39:19] <Lope> and some a.b.c stuff is missing
4087 [23:39:26] <Lope> I want to remove the a.b.c kernel
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4089 [23:39:33] <Lope> These are kernels I compiled myself.
4090 [23:39:43] <Lope> there's no package
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4092 [23:40:06] <Lope> oops, there are packages.
4093 [23:40:08] <Lope> will remove them
4094 [23:40:23] <jim> are you booted into your debian atm?
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4101 [23:42:11] <jim> what did you need to have, that you compiled
a custom kernel for? did that custom compile build a debian package
out of the results of the compile?
4102 [23:42:32] <Lope> it's still looking for the old kernel
:/
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4104 [23:42:36] <loeken> reinstalling server network will go down
for a bit
4105 [23:42:45] <Lope> maybe it's in the grub config
4106 [23:42:58] <Lope> I'm booted into a ubuntu boot USB
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4108 [23:43:29] <Lope> I compiled the custom kernel to get docker
user cgroups working before it was mainline
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4110 [23:43:48] <jim> it's hard to help when communication is
broken
4111 [23:43:50] <Lope> now I despise docker, but that's
another story :p
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4113 [23:44:15] <Lope> when I run `update-initramfs -u`
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4119 [23:44:22] <Lope> it complains about my old kernels files
missing
4120 [23:44:32] <Lope> I want to remove whatever reference that
it's picking up for that
4121 [23:44:33] <fugue> I pretty much want to get rid/customize
this box:
replaced-url
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4123 [23:44:35] <jim> oh ok, can you live without that for a
minute?
4124 [23:44:42] <Lope> it's not appearing in dpkg -l | grep
foo
4125 [23:45:08] <Lope> jim: you're probably going to suggest
I install a normal kernel.
4126 [23:45:16] <Lope> but that won't get me out of this
situation.
4127 [23:45:37] <Lope> `update-initramfs -u` won't complete
because of a half removed kernel.
4128 [23:45:42] <Lope> I need to purge the remains of it.
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4130 [23:46:19] <jim> you could be right about that, and, if you
reboot into that kernel, it could help... you copied stuff to the /
LV before, is the original copy still in place?
4131 [23:46:44] <Lope> jim the original is gone
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4133 [23:46:51] <Lope> There's no way back, only forward
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4135 [23:47:03] <jim> dang...
4136 [23:47:16] <Lope> I deleted whatever files from the old
kernel that it's complaining about
4137 [23:47:24] <Lope> and never ran any initramfs update since.
4138 [23:47:41] <jim> do you have enough space in your volume
group to install another debian?
4139 [23:48:16] <jim> you probably wouldn't need anything
from /home
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4141 [23:48:30] <Lope> jim: hehe I could certainly do that but
I'm sure this is a trivial thing
4142 [23:48:43] <Lope> I just want to remove this old reference to
the old kernel.
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4145 [23:49:10] <jim> how did you remove the old kernel?
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4150 [23:50:47] <jim> (to others, sorry for the extra noise, I
thought we could get some extra help from debian folks, but this
guy's system could be too far gone)
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4165 [23:52:16] <jim> Lope, there's a -lot- of moving parts
that (1) are involved here, and (2) need to be present to make this
stuff work
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4167 [23:53:21] <jelly> Lope, however, installing a complete copy
of a different kernel will make the need to update initramfs for the
current one not needed
4168 [23:53:32] <jelly> bad sentence.
4169 [23:53:36] <jim> I'm not saying you have to leave it
this way forever, and you can get your custom kernel working, but
some debian pieces need to be present in order to do that (and
I'm not even sure what they all are)
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4178 [23:55:40] <jim> Lope, and I don't doubt your ability to
get your installation fixed, it's just that there could be
other things you can do
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4180 [23:56:10] <jelly> Lope, pastebin the complete output of
"uname -a" and "update-initramfs -u" and
"ls -la /boot/" for good measure
4181 [23:56:31] <jelly> and yes I'm aware you're going
to get uname -a from whatever livecd
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4183 [23:56:42] <jim> some of the things you did burned bridges
behind you, and that's kinda unfortunate
4184 [23:57:31] <jim> some ubuntu live no doubt
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4187 [23:57:41] <Lope> Yeah, gonna try a few more things.
4188 [23:57:49] <Lope> I'm trying to run apt-get update
inside the chroot.
4189 [23:57:54] <Lope> it's failing to make a temp file
4190 [23:57:58] <Lope> but it doesn't say where.
4191 [23:58:03] <Lope> any ideas?
4192 [23:58:09] <jelly> Lope, show the actual output
4193 [23:58:17] <Lope> mkstemp something
4194 [23:58:20] <jim> sounds like maybe your / partition is ro
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4196 [23:58:41] <jelly> Lope, no, please pastebin or screenshot
the whole command you ran and its complete output
4197 [23:58:51] <Lope> E: Could't create temp file to work
with /var/lib/apt/lists/...
4198 [23:58:55] <Lope> it's a diff machine
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4200 [23:59:21] <jelly> that does not look like the complete
output
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