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487[01:00:56] <dionysus69> my custom shortcuts stoped working on last update, anyone knows why? I am on gnome
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497[01:04:29] <mercedes> Hi. I installed Debian+Xfce on my netbook and when I go to "touchpad and mouse settings", I don't see a touchpad tab to enable the option "Tap Touchpad" (left click emulation with the touchpad).
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499[01:04:59] <mercedes> I did `egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices` and it's a ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad
500[01:05:15] <LtL> dionysus69: just check them, see if they are pointing to the proper target(s) if no adjust accordingly.
501[01:05:30] <petn-randall> mercedes: Does the touchpad work otherwise in Xfce, though?
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503[01:06:02] <LtL> dionysus69: are you talking about the point release per chance?
504[01:06:04] <dionysus69> LtL they are, for example ctrl alt t is for terminal and aims for gnome-terminal command
505[01:06:09] <mercedes> the touchpad works. it's just that I can't "click" with it
506[01:06:28] <dionysus69> I am talking about custom shortcuts one can set from keyboard settings
507[01:06:30] <dionysus69> brb
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512[01:07:22] <rferris> hey all, does anybody have any links where people are talking about aeris?
513[01:08:06] <freq> rferris: come to ##sh1pwr3ck. that's all that we talk about
514[01:08:19] <rferris> cool! Thanks
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516[01:08:39] <mercedes> someone in #xfce explained me that elantech uses the synaptics driver and they told me to ask here
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529[01:16:49] <PipeItToDevNull> mercedes, what is the issue
530[01:16:55] <PipeItToDevNull> Fine then.
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545[01:23:18] <ealfonso> is there a packaged chinese dictionary in debian?
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560[01:29:07] <nonedead> Is there a date that 8.7 will be EOL?
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571[01:37:00] <LtL> nonedead: jessie .v8.x is EOL June 6th 2018, Jessie LTS EOL is June 6th 2020
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573[01:37:13] <LtL> nonedead: replaced-url
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603[01:52:39] <Watcher7> I can't shake x11 as a dep for QEMU.
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623[02:05:35] <tw> Watcher7: unless you're building it yourself, that's pretty unlikely. I think if you --disable-sdl and --disable-gtk it *may* not need it.
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653[02:27:26] <Watcher7> tw, so it's not possible to do a Xen install without pulling x11 on Debian? I recall there being a dummy package before for a 'minimal' Xen install. Now that I've tried to do that manually Xen complains about a lack of QEMU. I thought Xen didn't need QEMU if I was doing full PV guests.
654[02:31:10] <klys> xen does need qemu, because to run a vm it uses qemu-dm
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670[02:43:02] <HyperMonkey> it is happening
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673[02:45:08] <Watcher7> klys, ok, thank you for clearing that up for me.
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683[02:50:02] <HyperMonkey> The time is upon us. The South will rise again, fueled by the almighty White Power. We shall once again rule over the fields of niggers.
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692[02:50:58] <madsara_> How do I allow unsigned jars to run?
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694[02:51:09] <madsara_> Been battling this for a bit.
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705[03:00:05] <Watcher7> Seems xen-qemu-dm isn't in the repos any longer.
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716[03:08:27] <n-iCe> Debian gnome is almost using 1GB of RAM at boot
717[03:08:34] <n-iCe> thought were less
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720[03:09:14] <n-iCe> anyway, my bootloader is screwed, debian does not boot, any bootloader guru?
721[03:09:26] <n-iCe> using efi here
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821[04:08:01] <CygnusX1> hi
822[04:08:28] <Cl0udN9ne> hi
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824[04:08:40] <CygnusX1> I installed 4 different desktops environments when I installed the latest version of debian and in the login window it gives me pretty much a bad password error when I try to switch them. Anyone know why? or should I install stock debian and get them one by with apt-get install desktopiwant
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832[04:14:58] <klys> are you using mbr or gpt?
833[04:15:10] <klys> never mind
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873[04:37:37] <k_sze[work]> If I have a debian-based OS, like Raspbian, how do I check which packages are 'base' (installed by default)?
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876[04:39:39] <nvz> k_sze[work]: there is no real way to do this, the package system only keeps track of those specifically chosen and those automatically chosen as dependencies
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878[04:40:04] <k_sze[work]> I see there's something about `aptitude search ~pimportant -F"%p"`
879[04:40:55] <k_sze[work]> But I suspect even those are not exhaustive.
880[04:41:09] <nvz> k_sze[work]: yes in debian there are Priority settings, you can of course look for those that are marked Required I suppose
881[04:41:10] <k_sze[work]> (and `aptitude search ~prequired -F"%p"`)
882[04:41:46] <nvz> k_sze[work]: but this doesn't necessarily mean that those are the only ones that were installed by default
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884[04:42:15] <k_sze[work]> nvz: yeah, I suspect the actual ones installed by default are a superset?
885[04:42:23] <nvz> k_sze[work]: perhaps you should try going to the channel of the distro in question and asking what specifically you're after
886[04:42:47] <nvz> k_sze[work]: there are in debian anyhow a lot of meta-packages that are used to pull in entire sets of packages
887[04:43:02] <k_sze[work]> true
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889[04:43:14] <nvz> k_sze[work]: the base system is what is fetched by debootstrap but this doesn't seem to be what you are after
890[04:43:33] <nvz> apparently you're trying to weed out cruft or something and going about it the wrong way
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1060[07:05:55] <farmer> Hi all after configuring SSH, UFW, Unattended upgrades, Fail2ban and Psad on a fresh server. What more should be done to harden the server?
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1098[07:26:57] <Sabotender> does debian provide a PAE kernel?
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1104[07:33:35] <SwedeMike> Sabotender: my kernel seems to be PAE enabled, yes.
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1106[07:34:34] <Sabotender> SwedeMike: I need to find 32-bit Debian PAE kernel with XFCE
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1109[07:35:00] <Sabotender> and because I have BCM4352, it would have to be an offline installation
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1112[07:37:44] <SwedeMike> Sabotender: so your problem right now is that you have a 32 bit kernel that is not PAE enabled, otherwise everything is working?
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1115[07:38:55] <Sabotender> SwedeMike: no, the problem is that I currently have a borked fedora install which I tried to put on a proprietary nvidia kernel, but got a black screen, no one wants to help fix it, I don't know what to do, SO I am switching back to what I know, which is debian
1116[07:39:05] <Sabotender> this is a fresh install
1117[07:39:18] <Sabotender> I just need to be sure I am installing exactly what I need the first time
1118[07:39:27] <Sabotender> I am getting tired of installing different distros
1119[07:39:49] <SwedeMike> Sabotender: ok, from what I know if you install a recent version of debian the 32 bit kernel will be PAE enabled by default. Before, you needed to install a -pae package, but that should not be needed anymore.
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1121[07:41:37] <jmcnaught> ,v linux-image-686-pae
1122[07:41:38] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-686-pae' was found in amd64.
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1124[07:42:02] <SwedeMike> judd: amd64 by definition doesn't need PAE.
1125[07:42:15] <jmcnaught> yeah i forgot the flag
1126[07:42:31] <jmcnaught> ,v linux-image-686-pae --arch i386
1127[07:42:32] <judd> Package: linux-image-686-pae on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u1; buster: 4.11+82; sid: 4.11+83
1128[07:42:35] <SwedeMike> Sabotender: so basically, install 32bit (if that's what you need), and if PAE isn't available, then you will need to install a new package.
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1130[07:44:03] <SwedeMike> Sabotender: your hw isn't 64bit capable?
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1139[07:51:19] <Sabotender> SwedeMike: hmm? oh, it does, I just need 32bit enviornment for developmental purposes
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1143[07:53:01] <Sabotender> what is the meaning of wheezy, jessie, buster, stretch, etc
1144[07:53:17] <SwedeMike> Sabotender: replaced-url
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1146[07:54:37] <SwedeMike> Sabotender: ok, well, if you happen to get a non-PAE kernel by default then you can fix this by installing a new kernel afterwards that has PAE support.
1147[07:55:13] <Sabotender> I have one or two quesitons if you don't mind, its in regards to grub
1148[07:55:40] <SwedeMike> just ask, that's what this channel is all about.
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1153[07:56:39] <Sabotender> how can I FORCE grub to 100% absolutely IGNORE all other drives that are connected to the computer except for the install target? I don't want it to look at, touch, modify, fondle, manipulate, or molest other devices in any way, shape or form.
1154[07:57:15] <Sabotender> usually, I just disconnect the other drives from the system during installation, but I've already done that once today, with Fedora, and I really don't want to do that again
1155[07:57:40] <Sabotender> I have a love/hate relationship with grub. more hate
1156[07:57:45] <SwedeMike> Sabotender: sounds more like an installer problem rather than a grub problem. If I were you, I would disconnect.
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1159[07:58:07] <SwedeMike> Sabotender: considering I've both myself and others experienced just the problem you're trying to avoid.
1160[07:58:28] <Sabotender> SwedeMike: ive always had bad luck with grub writing crap where it shouldn't. It always seems to think that touching my windows drive is a good idea
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1194[08:27:04] <Sabotender> curious. which version of KDE comes with this: replaced-url
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1198[08:30:03] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: replaced-url
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1205[08:31:12] <Sabotender> jmcnaught: plasma, eh
1206[08:31:21] <Sabotender> tempting...very tempting
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1208[08:31:43] <Sabotender> I just need to make sure that the iso is the correct one that I need
1209[08:33:16] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: the disc image you pick doesn't lock you into a single selection for desktop environment. the KDE image can install GNOME and vice versa
1210[08:33:58] <Sabotender> thats always been a bit messy imo. I usually just install the nviornment I am going to use
1211[08:34:27] <Sabotender> are the netinst versions the full versions of Debian? I am trying to find the one that doesn't have to connect to the intneret
1212[08:34:38] <Sabotender> since I have a broadcom wireless adapter
1213[08:34:46] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: it's also recommended to use installer images as they're usually tested quite a bit more than installer images. did you read the known issues section on the download line that you posted?
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1216[08:35:42] <Sabotender> jmcnaught: you said installer image twice
1217[08:35:53] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: all versions of the installer work the same way. the different images vary by how many packages are included on the image. the netinst has the fewest packages on the installer
1218[08:36:09] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: oh sorry i meant installer images are tested more than live images
1219[08:36:22] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: have you read the install manual?
1220[08:36:30] <Sabotender> yeah I need the full installer, not the netinst
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1223[08:36:59] <jmcnaught> even the netinst can install a bootable debian system
1224[08:37:29] <jmcnaught> you're not able to use ethernet during the installation?
1225[08:37:36] <Sabotender> no.
1226[08:37:39] <Sabotender> wifi only
1227[08:38:28] <jmcnaught> some broadcom firmwares are not on the firmware iso
1228[08:38:43] <Sabotender> i have bcm4532
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1233[08:41:27] <Haohmaru> the debian 9 live installer i used messed up the root password
1234[08:41:33] <Haohmaru> it's fixable, but inconvenient
1235[08:41:48] <Haohmaru> it also installed a whole ton of weird packages
1236[08:42:05] <jmcnaught> it only contains firmwares that are redistributable. some broadcom firmware are not distributable, i don't know which firmware your device requires
1237[08:42:19] <sewerrat> Hey, could someone take a look at this, (crontab), why is this not working? "0 13 * * * (/bin/date && /home/sewerrat/.scripts/bkpscript.sh) >> /home/sewerrat/.cronLogs/bkpComplete.txt
1238[08:42:20] <sewerrat> "
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1240[08:42:23] <Sabotender> i thk its wl
1241[08:42:23] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: the root password issue was fixed for the 9.1.0 live images
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1243[08:43:46] <Haohmaru> jmcnaught, i'd still think twice before using it if it installs all those other packages
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1246[08:44:30] <Sabotender> jmcnaught: the installer DVD is the one that gives you a choice of many different DEs to install, right?
1247[08:45:04] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: are you sure that these random packages are not simply dependencies of the desktop environment that you installed?
1248[08:45:11] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: all installers give you that choice
1249[08:45:40] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Sabotender about cd contents
1250[08:46:31] <Haohmaru> jmcnaught, with netinst, i chose LXDE.. and synaptic said i have about ~1400 packages installed. with the live-lxde-desktop image - synaptic said i have about ~2000 packages installed
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1252[08:46:54] <Sabotender> what is the bt-version?
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1254[08:48:13] <Haohmaru> i don't think lxde causes debian to install all possible language translations for firefox-esr, libreoffice, all possible dictionaries with all kinds of unheard languages, and a ton of fonts for those unheard languages
1255[08:48:36] <Haohmaru> AND "islamic tools"
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1259[08:49:50] <Sabotender> bt-dvd
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1261[08:50:18] <Sabotender> bluetooth? backtrace? bubble tape? bouncing tomatoes?
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1263[08:50:42] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: read what it says on the site. "how do i use these files?"
1264[08:51:25] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: on a headless Debian system that 609 packages installed, if I run "apt-get -s install task-lxde-desktop" it would install 839 packages… so 1400 sounds about right
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1266[08:52:22] <Haohmaru> i don't know.. i can tell you the exact name of the live iso i used which did that
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1268[08:52:56] <Haohmaru> the graphical install doesn't really ask any questions about whether to install this or that
1269[08:53:09] <Haohmaru> the netinst does
1270[08:53:24] <Haohmaru> * netinst graphical install
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1273[08:53:47] <jmcnaught> graphical and text modes on the netinst ask identical questions
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1275[08:53:59] <Sabotender> jmcnaught: It was my poor attempt at making a joke
1276[08:54:13] <Sabotender> of course it means bittorrent.
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1278[08:54:20] <Haohmaru> jmcnaught, "debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-lxde.iso"
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1280[08:55:18] <Haohmaru> the netinst i talked about was 9.1.0-amd64
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1282[08:56:07] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: the download page for debian live image lists known issues. the recommended way is to use an installer image, not a live image
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1285[08:57:00] <Haohmaru> tbh when i go to download a debian iso, i do it in a rush
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1287[08:57:35] <Haohmaru> because the website has the tendancy to show itself translated to my local language, which makes things very difficult
1288[08:58:00] <Haohmaru> switching the language on the webpage only works untill i click on another page
1289[08:58:26] <FluffyBunnies> Haohmaru: then enable cookies
1290[08:58:28] <Haohmaru> so it's annoying and i don't read anything, i try to reach the place with the ISO files as fast as possible
1291[08:58:30] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: if you are in a rush then one effective way is to go to replaced-url
1292[08:58:51] <cheapie> Will a "686" kernel run on a K6-2, or do I need the "486" kernel for that?
1293[08:58:52] <FluffyBunnies> most sites will set a cookie and remember your preferred language
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1296[08:59:37] <Haohmaru> jmcnaught, right now i'm running debian9 and i've set my language as english
1297[08:59:47] <FluffyBunnies> cheapie: never heard of a K6-2
1298[09:00:00] <jmcnaught> cheapie: replaced-url
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1303[09:00:36] <cheapie> jmcnaught: OK, so looks like I need <=jessie. Thanks!
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1310[09:02:38] <jmcnaught> ,v linux-image-586 --arch i386 --release jessie
1311[09:02:39] <judd> Package: linux-image-586 on i386 -- jessie: 3.16+63
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1313[09:02:55] <jmcnaught> cheapie: I think that's the kernel you want
1314[09:03:03] <FluffyBunnies> ,v
1315[09:03:04] <judd> (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
1316[09:03:07] <FluffyBunnies> ,help
1317[09:03:09] <judd> (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
1318[09:03:12] <FluffyBunnies> thats cool
1319[09:03:14] <jmcnaught> FluffyBunnies: /msg judd
1320[09:03:22] <FluffyBunnies> FluffyBunnies: what does that do?
1321[09:03:38] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
1322[09:03:38] <Haohmaru> jmcnaught, in that case i wanted a live iso specifically because i wasn't too sure if it'll run on the machine i was supposed to install it
1323[09:03:58] <Haohmaru> i won't do it again.. imma use netinst
1324[09:04:01] <cheapie> This is the part where I wish they would make an "oldi386" version (which would run on a 386 or higher, and just not be optimized for newer stuff unlike "i386"), but something makes me think there's not enough demand for the latest and greatest software to run on a 3/4/586 these days :P
1325[09:04:19] <Haohmaru> but i still find it weird that it installed such weird packages
1326[09:04:47] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: I understand. I'm just saying that the installer images get more testing, sometimes there are issues with the live discs. For example on jessie live discs don't boot in EFI, only BIOS. This has been changed for stretch
1327[09:04:48] <FluffyBunnies> cheapie: are you talking about an ancient processor running a recent distro of debian?
1328[09:04:56] <FluffyBunnies> Do you live in a third world country?
1329[09:05:17] <cheapie> No, I have plenty of better computers to play with too. I just like messing with old stuff sometimes :P
1330[09:05:21] <Haohmaru> FluffyBunnies, i do
1331[09:05:26] <Haohmaru> sorta
1332[09:05:32] <FluffyBunnies> I once got a computer for under $40 with a Core2 Duo in it
1333[09:05:40] <FluffyBunnies> Haohmaru: "sorta"... so... india?
1334[09:05:43] <jmcnaught> let's try and keep it on topic
1335[09:05:45] * cheapie points at the stack of three C2D E8400-based boxes sitting on his desk
1336[09:05:48] <Haohmaru> FluffyBunnies, no
1337[09:05:52] <FluffyBunnies> jmcnaught: why?
1338[09:06:00] <jmcnaught> !ot
1339[09:06:01] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
1340[09:06:08] <FluffyBunnies> cheapie: yes that is exactly what it runs, E8400
1341[09:06:13] <klys> cheapie, I have a 386 with 16 MB, and it runs mulinux, though not much else.
1342[09:06:21] <FluffyBunnies> jmcnaught: are you the King of the channel?
1343[09:06:25] <FluffyBunnies> Hail jmcnaught
1344[09:06:33] <Haohmaru> i still have my AMD Duron at home
1345[09:06:46] <Haohmaru> but i think that's slightly newer than k6-2
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1347[09:07:00] <jmcnaught> FluffyBunnies: please respect the channel rules. It's not more difficult to type in #debian-offtopic is it?
1348[09:07:07] <FluffyBunnies> my first PC had the original Athlon. Not socket-based, I mean the original slot based
1349[09:07:08] <cheapie> Hopefully on a more on-topic note: are there any plans to split amd64 into a version that's optimized for newer CPUs, and a version that runs on any amd64 CPU?
1350[09:07:16] <FluffyBunnies> sorry jmcnaught i'll go to that chan then
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1364[09:14:06] <liddell> hi all
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1367[09:17:04] <liddell> I am trying to run torbrowser on my machine, I have installed for a non-root user, however when I try to start it, I receive an error messag: No protocol specified - GtkWarning
1368[09:17:20] <liddell> Does any of you have any idea what could be the issue here?
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1375[09:20:57] <jmcnaught> liddell: you get a warning but otherwise it works?
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1377[09:21:53] <liddell> No, It not even starts the browser, and exit when I try to run it as root, my idea was it could be some permissions related issue, but as I understand my user has read access to the necessary folders
1378[09:22:26] <jmcnaught> liddell: don't run GUI software as root, especially a web browser.
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1380[09:23:24] <liddell> I was just checking to know if I have everything set up correctly, and I did not receive the GtkWarning when I tried as root
1381[09:23:44] <FluffyBunnies> I am looking for warez
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1383[09:23:59] <bub_> dalnet
1384[09:24:08] <tx> You can go to ##unavailable for that
1385[09:24:18] <jmcnaught> liddell: how did you run it as root?
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1387[09:25:11] <liddell> from terminal
1388[09:25:28] <jmcnaught> liddell: what command(s) did you use?
1389[09:26:54] <liddell> simpli tiped the app name torbrowser-launcher, it has a symlink
1390[09:27:30] <jmcnaught> how did you become root?
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1393[09:28:47] <liddell> I am the owner of this machine, I know the root password, simply changed the user with su
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1398[09:29:52] <jmcnaught> liddell: if you just ran "su" then ran a GUI application then you may end up with files owned by root in your home directory
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1400[09:30:07] <Haohmaru> i've done that
1401[09:30:10] <jmcnaught> anyways, running it as root is a mistake and not an effective way to test
1402[09:30:11] <Haohmaru> it's so nasty
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1406[09:31:36] <jmcnaught> you should never need to be root for an application like a browser, nor is it safe to run a browser as root. the only exception is programs like synaptic which get root privileges with PolicyKit (su is not involved)
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1409[09:32:19] <Haohmaru> yeah, i learnt that (i think)
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1411[09:32:32] <jmcnaught> liddell: anyways you can make a new user account on your computer and see if that user can run torbrowser, if not then something didn't install correctly and the torbrowser support community will probably know more about that than #debian
1412[09:32:39] <Haohmaru> when i "su" - i do my stuff quickly and then "exit"
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1416[09:34:53] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: better to use "su -l". Compare the output of the "env" command for sessions started by "su -l" and "su" without options
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1418[09:36:06] <liddell> So just to learn someting new, I login as root when I start my computer then I can change to other users with su, I have installed the application as root then created a new user which receives the error message, the reason I came here instead of tor community because it is the same error message when try to use some of the gui apps for example gedit
1419[09:36:29] <liddell> as the new user
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1422[09:37:35] <jmcnaught> liddell: logging in as root for day to day computer use is a bad idea
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1424[09:38:07] <jmcnaught> i hope you don't mean that you always log in as root and use su in terminals to run programs as different users
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1426[09:38:51] <FluffyBunnies> DO NOT SURF PORNOGRAPHY AS ROOT
1427[09:38:53] <Haohmaru> that would be the exact opposite of the right way
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1429[09:39:06] <FluffyBunnies> IT WILL GRANT THE TROJAN WORM MALWARES FULL ACCESS TO YOUR MACHINE
1430[09:40:17] <FluffyBunnies> To clean the malware you may have already loaded by doing this, log in as root one more time, and type "rm -rf ~"
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1433[09:40:31] <nibble_zero> no
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1435[09:40:38] <FluffyBunnies> nibble_zero: no what?
1436[09:40:43] <jmcnaught> !ops FluffyBunnies "rm -rf ~" joke
1437[09:40:43] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: FluffyBunnies "rm -rf ~" joke
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1439[09:40:54] <FluffyBunnies> you are right, that was bad advice
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1441[09:41:02] <jmcnaught> for those who don't know, this will delete everything in your home directory
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1443[09:41:16] <Haohmaru> jmcnaught, i don't think i get what you mean about the "env" thing
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1445[09:41:28] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: did you try?
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1447[09:41:58] <Haohmaru> yes
1448[09:42:08] <Haohmaru> with "su -l" it prints less things
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1453[09:43:13] <Haohmaru> "-l" = "make the shell a login shell"
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1455[09:43:24] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: right, so do you want programs running as root to potentially take configuration values from your environment variables?
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1457[09:43:36] <Haohmaru> so otherwise it's not a "login shell" .. but that still doesn't ring any bells
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1465[09:47:36] <Haohmaru> jmcnaught, i repeat what i see, i've seen people do "su" and then type their root passwords
1466[09:47:38] <Haohmaru> *shrug*
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1468[09:48:23] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: I usually use "sudo -i" to get a root shell
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1472[09:50:03] <Haohmaru> i get confused by su and sudo, so i tried to remember one simple thing that works
1473[09:50:18] <Haohmaru> i guess i chose the wrong thing
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1476[09:50:45] <Ke> both do work if configured properly
1477[09:50:50] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: su is the default on Debian, it's not a wrong choice.
1478[09:50:53] <cheapie> I have passwordless sudo set up on this box (I'm the only one with physical access, and there's no way to SSH into it from outside my network).
1479[09:50:58] <Ke> sudo has more flexible configuration
1480[09:51:26] <Haohmaru> i guess i expected the shortest command to be "safe"
1481[09:51:26] <cheapie> I then have "mellon" aliased to "sudo -i", as per replaced-url
1482[09:51:34] <Haohmaru> no idea why
1483[09:51:39] <cheapie> (the "Slackware" entry in that)
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1486[09:52:04] <Haohmaru> how do you make aliases?
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1488[09:52:31] <cheapie> I don't know the "right way" to do it, so I just stuffed a shell script in /usr/local/bin :P
1489[09:52:33] <Haohmaru> i'd make mine "wub" and "dub" (for exit)
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1495[09:53:36] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: make a file ~/.bash_aliases with lines in it like "alias foobar=barbaz -foo"
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1517[10:02:37] <oskie> .bash_profile
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1539[10:12:46] <papappa> hello
1540[10:13:33] <papappa> here are people?
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1543[10:13:52] <Haohmaru> no, just digital ghosts
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1547[10:14:24] <papappa> #linuxba
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1557[10:17:13] <jubo2> Haohmaru: there are also humans
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1559[10:17:51] <oskie> former humans...
1560[10:18:07] <jubo2> that'd be a ghost then
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1571[10:22:06] <likcoras> Where can I look up information such as virtualbox no longer being in stable/testing? ie. where are decisions like these documented?
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1575[10:25:01] <celyr> ,v virtualbox
1576[10:25:02] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.24-dfsg-2
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1578[10:25:40] <jmcnaught> likcoras: look up the package on replaced-url
1579[10:26:28] <likcoras> I was looking there, but I can't seem to find a place where I can see reasons, etc.
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1581[10:26:39] <likcoras> Oh wait hold on, I'm blind.
1582[10:26:48] <themill> ,bug rm virtualbox
1583[10:26:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1584[10:27:07] <celyr> well
1585[10:27:11] <celyr> this is not the reason
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1589[10:27:34] <themill> that it is completely unsupportable because it can't be compiled is indeed the reason
1590[10:28:07] <celyr> it's not even on contrib now
1591[10:28:29] <likcoras> So for torbrowser-launcher, I see replaced-url
1592[10:28:33] <celyr> the reason it was moved from contrib is that the maintainer failed to give a stable package within the merge window of stretch
1593[10:28:48] <likcoras> which points to replaced-url
1594[10:28:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1595[10:29:15] <likcoras> But it doesn't really say why it was removed, just says that it should be.
1596[10:29:20] <themill> As #794466 explains, if something that gets that many CVEs can't be supported, it shouldn't be released
1597[10:29:21] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1599[10:30:15] <celyr> So maybe virtualbox could be on buster
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1613[10:33:43] <likcoras> replaced-url
1614[10:33:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1771[11:53:56] <DoctorD90> good morning!
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1773[11:54:49] <well_laid_lawn> good evening !
1774[11:55:18] <DoctorD90> im trying to install debian 9 on my new laptop, it is uefi, but once I dd the iso on pendrive uefi wont see it. I started in legacy mode, but during installation it wont create efi boot partition :/ where im wronging?
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1776[11:55:48] <DoctorD90> it also asks me about non free software, but I cant find it anywhere :(
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1791[12:04:07] <DoctorD90> so? no one could help me? :)
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1797[12:06:04] <Haohmaru> DoctorD90, did you use a debian live iso?
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1804[12:08:18] <jelly> DoctorD90, if your machine uses UEFI Secure Boot, you will have to disable that
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1807[12:08:36] <jelly> Debian 9 installer support UEFI, otherwise
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1817[12:10:39] <DoctorD90> Haohmaru jelly (helo!) i have downloaded 3 dvd isos with full software (official) because in next days probably I will not have internet. I use dd to put it on usb but when I start pc in eufi mode, with secure boot disabled, and press f12 to choose bootable media, it doesnt display anything
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1820[12:11:18] <DoctorD90> I entered in legacy mode, but when I m in step to partitioning the disk, it doesnt give option about efi partition
1821[12:11:37] <jelly> hmm, that ought to work
1822[12:11:56] <DoctorD90> :( i thougth to....expert install too...but nothing :(
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1824[12:12:19] <jelly> which exact dd command line did you use
1825[12:12:27] <DoctorD90> i formatted hard drive in gpt during partitioning too, (maybe it doesnt popup efi it isnt in gpt)...but nothing
1826[12:12:58] <DoctorD90> as easier as possible: dd if=debianlivedvd1.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M
1827[12:13:08] <jelly> that's fine
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1830[12:15:04] <DoctorD90> eh....but it wont show me the efi -.-" ....grrrr....last time, 3monthes ago when you suggest me to try with testing iso of stretch, at the end of May, it used efi....now I cant understand why it wont work...
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1832[12:15:21] <DoctorD90> I dont think that it is mainly because I used nonfree/nonofficial iso
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1837[12:18:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
1838[12:18:54] <DoctorD90> i totally dont know how to fix it :/ uff
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1848[12:21:54] <OxOO> I have a problem with programs menu in Xorg (using fluxbox). A lot of programs are not in the menu. "update-menu" as root or user does not change this. any idea?
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1851[12:24:28] <humbot> if fluxbox is anything like openbox, you might have to write the xml yourself
1852[12:24:54] <bazhang> openbox is still fully supproted and developed
1853[12:25:05] <bazhang> fluxbox, not so much
1854[12:25:22] <well_laid_lawn> fluxbox doesn't use xml
1855[12:25:26] <well_laid_lawn> !
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1857[12:25:28] <humbot> oops
1858[12:25:35] <well_laid_lawn> fuck xml
1859[12:25:43] <celyr> if it moves
1860[12:25:48] <celyr> like everything else
1861[12:25:52] <bazhang> why not take a look at lxqt
1862[12:26:01] <well_laid_lawn> if it doesn't give it a push
1863[12:26:03] <bazhang> well_laid_lawn, please keep it clean here
1864[12:26:13] <well_laid_lawn> sorry 'bout that
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1866[12:26:51] <OxOO> "Menu files are placed in /usr/share/menu by packages. update-menus then reads these files and passes them to install-menu which generates a menu specified by a menu-method (placed in /etc/menu-method)." < /usr/share/menu/ misses a lot of programs...
1867[12:27:05] <bazhang> ,v lxqt
1868[12:27:06] <judd> Package: lxqt on amd64 -- stretch: 13; buster: 18; sid: 19
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1872[12:28:27] <well_laid_lawn> everyone ends up using a tiler eventually, best to start with one now
1873[12:29:02] <OxOO> "dpkg -L claws-mail" for example, not showing putting anything in /usr/share/menu...
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1877[12:30:04] <OxOO> Can someone explain this? Is the menu generated by "update-menu" known to be broken or what's up?
1878[12:30:26] <OxOO> ie just some packages places files in /usr/share/menu to be parsed
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1880[12:30:36] <zirelt> hi
1881[12:30:39] <well_laid_lawn> there's a fluxbox menu generator in the default menu iir
1882[12:30:46] <zirelt> how to start the GUI on debian wheezy it's cli
1883[12:30:49] <well_laid_lawn> there's a fluxbox menu generator in the default menu iirc
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1885[12:31:07] <well_laid_lawn> zirelt: tried startx ?
1886[12:31:19] <OxOO> well_laid_lawn: what about the problem with missing programs
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1888[12:31:34] <zirelt> I want the X server or whicherver the debian wheezy provides??
1889[12:31:34] <zirelt> all I see is a black screen. terminal.
1890[12:31:35] <zirelt> maybe it's vncseerver?
1891[12:31:57] <Haohmaru> in openbox/lxde, some .desktop files contain directions whether to show in this or that desktop environment
1892[12:32:16] <Haohmaru> say, some say "show only in GNOME" and lxde doesn't put this into the menu
1893[12:32:35] <zirelt> startx : command not found. I install it on anddroid.
1894[12:32:35] <zirelt> I asked the android folks but its none of their business.
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1896[12:32:41] <zirelt> they say noting, and very few people, they too dont know actually as it's debian related.
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1902[12:34:12] <OxOO> Haohmaru: I'll investigate further on that, thanks
1903[12:34:37] <zirelt> so what's the story heere.
1904[12:34:59] <jelly> zirelt, how did you install debian 7 in the first place?
1905[12:35:00] <Haohmaru> check any of the apps which don't show up in the menu, whether the .desktop file includes any of those directions
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1907[12:35:34] <OxOO> zirelt: are you trying to install and run X on Debian or Android?
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1909[12:35:44] <OxOO> Haohmaru: yes thanks :)
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1915[12:38:31] <papappa> exit
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1919[12:40:37] <well_laid_lawn> no
1920[12:41:21] <groovejunkk> I have somehow crashed my bootloader I think. I dd `d a fedora image onto an usb drive, to install it as a permanent system on another stick. After doing that my regular os (debian stretch) won't start. The BIOS says no boot devices found. My drive seems still intact though
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1923[12:41:55] <tw> did you remove the usb drive when booting?
1924[12:42:14] <groovejunkk> sure
1925[12:42:44] <zirelt> after installing the xfce desktop, now how do I "start" it?
1926[12:42:44] <zirelt> the xfce DE.
1927[12:42:50] <well_laid_lawn> ou might have messed grub up
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1930[12:43:20] <groovejunkk> that's what I thought and I don't feel comfy repairing it on my own..
1931[12:43:37] <groovejunkk> I'm still kind of new to the linux world
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1933[12:45:01] <OxOO> zirelt: if you don't have a graphical login manager you need to edit ~/.xinitrc and add something like "exec xfce" or whatever the xfce executable is named
1934[12:45:07] <well_laid_lawn> it just involves a live usb and resetting grub
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1936[12:45:33] <Haohmaru> zirelt, restart, if it doesn't get you into the desktop - try installing a login manager like lightdm
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1940[12:46:17] <groovejunkk> I'll read about that for a second and I shall return if questions may arise. Thank you kind sir
1941[12:47:01] <well_laid_lawn> cheers big ears
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1948[12:49:09] <OxOO> Haohmaru: Oh well, doesn't seem like that is the problem. Creating a new user and checking out fluxbox, lots of programs are still missing. For example from the network menu, firefox, claws, irc clients etc are missing.
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1950[12:49:36] <hellyeah> hey have a problem on bluetooth's connection can someone help me?
1951[12:49:50] <Haohmaru> i don't know then.. i personally use lxde (which uses openbox)
1952[12:49:53] <well_laid_lawn> you could see if #fluxbox has a clue
1953[12:50:00] <OxOO> yeah thanks
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1962[12:54:09] <tw> fluxbox etc don't autoparse freedesktop files (which are kind of a mess, if you read those xdg scripts)
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1965[12:55:06] <hellyeah> pls help about bluetooth problem
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1971[12:56:03] <well_laid_lawn> have dmesg -w running in a terminal when you tr to connect
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1975[12:57:45] <OxOO> tw: I'm running "update-menu" which generates /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu. so that is totally useless then?
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1978[12:58:10] <jelly> zirelt, again, can you say which way you used to install debian 7 in the first place? Is this running inside Android or does your machine have Debian's kernel booted?
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1980[12:58:33] <teraflops> hellyeah: start by describing your issue in detail
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1982[12:59:18] <hellyeah> i havd headphone i cannot connect it and i cannot get sound
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1984[12:59:55] <teraflops> hellyeah: what are you using to connect to the bt headset?
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1986[13:00:06] <hellyeah> i got that replaced-url
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1989[13:00:49] <hellyeah> teraflops: what do you mean?
1990[13:00:56] <teraflops> hellyeah: again, which software are you using to pair/connect the the bt headset?
1991[13:01:01] <hellyeah> you mean "what program"?
1992[13:01:06] <teraflops> hell yeah
1993[13:01:09] <hellyeah> ah okay i got it right
1994[13:01:10] <teraflops> :P
1995[13:01:13] <hellyeah> :D
1996[13:01:35] <hellyeah> i didnt install anything the thing i used comes with first installation
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1999[13:01:49] <hellyeah> i dont have any spesific program i just have gnome-bluetooth
2000[13:01:53] <teraflops> ok
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2002[13:02:03] <koza> HI
2003[13:02:10] <hellyeah> is it a problem teraflops?
2004[13:02:47] <teraflops> hellyeah: did you read replaced-url
2005[13:02:55] <teraflops> also, are you using GDM?
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2007[13:03:20] <teraflops> you do not need blueman though
2008[13:03:25] <hellyeah> i am yusing gnome
2009[13:03:29] <teraflops> ok
2010[13:03:34] <teraflops> are you using GDM?
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2012[13:03:53] <hellyeah> i guess i read wrong page.
2013[13:04:04] <hellyeah> there is some other wikis on the net about bluetooth
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2015[13:04:07] <hellyeah> what is GDM?
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2017[13:04:18] <teraflops> :/
2018[13:04:22] <koza> i2p using it's normal set ?
2019[13:04:22] <tw> a login manager/login screen.
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2021[13:04:38] <AndChat264089> Gnome desktop manager?
2022[13:04:47] <koza> openbox
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2025[13:05:20] <teraflops> that thing that ask for a username and a password before you enter gnome
2026[13:05:27] <koza> 1
2027[13:05:32] <hellyeah> teraflops: i told you already i am using gnome
2028[13:05:33] <koza> I
2029[13:05:36] <hellyeah> :D
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2031[13:05:46] <teraflops> hellyeah: gnome is not gdm
2032[13:05:48] <hellyeah> teraflops: i am sorry about that
2033[13:05:52] <teraflops> and gdm is not gnome
2034[13:05:54] <hellyeah> i am using gdm of course :D
2035[13:05:56] <koza> opendox onrlove
2036[13:05:57] <teraflops> ok
2037[13:06:03] <koza> onelove
2038[13:06:09] <hellyeah> gdm and gnome is best mathes afaik :D
2039[13:06:26] <hellyeah> is there anyone who use gnome with kdm or ldm :D
2040[13:06:41] <teraflops> hellyeah: so, check if you have those packages the wiki suggest already installed and (if not), install them and restart gdm
2041[13:06:55] <hellyeah> okay
2042[13:06:58] <tw> lightdm? yes. I do, but that's not relevant to your problem with pulse/bluetooth.
2043[13:07:05] <teraflops> then put your bt headset in pairing mode, then pair and connect
2044[13:07:10] <hellyeah> i forgot to enable non-free contrib
2045[13:07:11] <hellyeah> :D
2046[13:07:19] <hellyeah> now i am updating the system
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2049[13:07:23] <hellyeah> xD
2050[13:07:29] <koza> :D
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2053[13:08:07] <koza> wtat update debian 9 to 9.1
2054[13:08:09] <koza> ?
2055[13:08:10] <teraflops> hellyeah: many people prefer just startx
2056[13:08:34] <AndChat264089> Does anyone know if debian is supported more than 5 years like centos?
2057[13:08:50] <jelly> AndChat264089, it's not.
2058[13:08:52] <koza> it's not cenrOS
2059[13:09:26] <jelly> AndChat264089, even the last 2 years depend on donations to the LTS team
2060[13:09:26] <hellyeah> i didnt hear about startx
2061[13:09:28] <jelly> !lts
2062[13:09:29] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <wheezy-lts> and see replaced-url
2063[13:09:38] <AndChat264089> Pity I like debian wish it had a longer support cycle
2064[13:09:56] <tw> If you need enterprise support lifetimes, you need enterprise costs.
2065[13:10:03] <koza> wat it's update my debian 9 to debian 9.1?
2066[13:10:07] <tw> Economics.
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2068[13:10:21] <jelly> AndChat264089, wishing doesn't help, instead make a few more companies sponsor the LTS project
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2070[13:10:39] <AndChat264089> Ok thanks for the info
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2072[13:11:18] <jelly> as a bonus, they get to say which packages need more focus on
2073[13:12:33] <darme> hi. whats the status with infinality font pacakge and stretch? last time i checked, to compile infinality i libraries which were not provided by debian. this libraries conflicted with each other debian packages. i would really like use stretch, but fonts hurts my eyes
2074[13:13:06] <darme> broken english
2075[13:13:17] <koza> +
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2078[13:14:23] <darme> what do you do to make debian fonts to look less ugly?
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2081[13:15:01] <darme> again , broken :D
2082[13:15:03] <jelly> disable subpixel rendering, set full or medium hinting, and choose fonts that work well with that
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2084[13:15:56] <jelly> that's what I do and the results are good enough in gtk2 and qt5 apps
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2088[13:17:41] <teraflops> darme: infinality is dead and it's unmaintained, i think you can use it in stretch since stretch uses an old as hell freetype2 (2.6)
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2092[13:18:29] <tw> jelly: any references on how to do that? Is that fontconfig or is it specific to gtk2/qt5?
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2094[13:19:28] <teraflops> tw: you can write your own ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf
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2096[13:19:59] <teraflops> for what jelly suggests, it is a very short and simple one
2097[13:20:04] <Haohmaru> jelly, i turn hinting off
2098[13:20:09] <hellyeah> okey i finished i reboot now
2099[13:20:20] <darme> teraflops: i remember i've compiled infinality on stretch rc5, but mpv could not start. And infinality is totally not debian way
2100[13:20:59] <teraflops> darme: I dont think infinality is a good idea anymore
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2103[13:21:15] <teraflops> is totally unmaintained
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2106[13:21:48] <teraflops> anf since freetype2 (2.7) useful stuff got merged into freetype2
2107[13:21:51] <teraflops> and^
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2109[13:22:27] <darme> i think debian could ship with ubuntu font packages. unless they aren't free
2110[13:22:49] <teraflops> darme: anyway it would help telling us which fonts and where (apps) are looking bad
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2113[13:23:10] <teraflops> because depending on the environment and the font family configs can change
2114[13:24:05] <teraflops> darme: you can just gab the fonts you want and put them in ~/.local/share/fonts
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2117[13:24:09] <teraflops> grab^
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2120[13:24:31] <AndChat264089> Can I update from debian 7 to debian 9 directly?
2121[13:24:34] <teraflops> I think enabling subpixel hinting is a good thing though
2122[13:24:42] <towo^work> AndChat264089, no
2123[13:24:43] <teraflops> AndChat264089: nope
2124[13:24:50] <jelly> AndChat264089, absolutely not. You need to go 7->8, then 8->9
2125[13:24:50] <AndChat264089> :(
2126[13:25:03] <jelly> anything else is not supported
2127[13:25:05] <apollo13> absolutely not is a stretch, but I wouldn't really recommend it :D
2128[13:25:07] <AndChat264089> Ok thanks
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2131[13:25:20] <jelly> apollo13, then you get to fix their system.
2132[13:25:21] <hellyeah> teraflops: thanks
2133[13:25:28] <teraflops> hellyeah: why?
2134[13:25:28] <Antares> ебаный пидараз - скройся
2135[13:25:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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2138[13:25:47] <apollo13> jelly: not really, as I said, I wouldn't recommend it -- but then again I would probably make backups and just do a fresh install
2139[13:25:51] <jelly> Antares, keep it English and tech support in here.
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2141[13:26:05] <Fudge> hi, im sure this gets asked a lot and I've been Googline and trying some solutiosn which have not worked, but regarding udev net interfaces; I want to rename them from ens33 to lan- etc, how can I do that, or is there a package that does it for me :D
2142[13:26:09] <hellyeah> teraflops: it worked :D
2143[13:26:13] <Haohmaru> he actually said some bad words
2144[13:26:17] <teraflops> hellyeah: ah, grats
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2147[13:27:33] <jelly> apollo13, as far as support in this channel is concerned, it's still "absolutely not"
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2161[13:33:02] <tw> hintfull didn't seem to help much over the default hintlight. I'd probably need to mess around with font selection to get it right.
2162[13:33:08] <tw> Thanks.
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2165[13:33:38] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): how do I allow a user to access an external USB disk?
2166[13:34:08] <boodie> I know, it's lame ...
2167[13:34:59] <bazhang> boodie, whats the fs on it
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2171[13:35:44] <boodie> ext3
2172[13:36:22] <bazhang> what error or errors are you getting, and what exactly are yuo trying to do
2173[13:36:30] <boodie> /dev/sdc1 on /media/vladimir/53eda66b-438d-438f-a57c-7fba7d913caf type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,data=ordered,uhelper=udisks2)
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2176[13:36:54] <jelly> you just need normal unix permissions to access
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2179[13:37:05] <bazhang> is th\at from sudo blkid
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2181[13:37:23] <jelly> that's from "mount" or /proc/mounts
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2184[13:37:30] <jelly> it's already mounted.
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2188[13:38:43] <boodie> OK, when I login as a 2nd user and click on the icon, it says "not enough permissions to access the device". I can access it, but when I login with another family member it doesn't let me (I'm making backups of everybody's /home) ...
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2193[13:40:17] <tw> boodie: make sure the second user is in the plugdev group
2194[13:40:20] <jelly> boodie, the simplest thing to do is do those backups as root
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2202[13:41:34] <boodie> jelly: this is what I did in the past, maybe you're right
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2231[13:50:31] <gp_> hello, how to exit bash after resetting root password using init=/bin/bash ? i get a kernel panic when trying to exit the shell after changing passwd, related bug but doesn't offer a tangible solution replaced-url
2232[13:51:23] <gp_> i got it working by running startx and hard resetting the machine after the ui failed to show up after a minute or two
2233[13:51:56] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): still stuck trying to give permissions to the other users to access a usb device. Never mind. What could be the best strategy to backup their /home directories as root?
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2237[13:53:38] <tw> boodie: for small, single systems, I use obnam on a cron, which works pretty well.
2238[13:54:03] <rocket_man> gp: looking at the source you linked, you're not supposed to exit the `init` shell. Why do you need to specify it in the boot parameters? Can't you change the passwird after boot?
2239[13:55:07] <rocket_man> boodie: I like `duplicity` for backups, but you can always use `rsync` or a graphical program.
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2241[13:56:17] <tw> obnam handles revisioning, file dedup, and crypto, which is what I like about it. You'll have to shop around.
2242[13:56:49] <rocket_man> boodie: also if you solve that usb problem, please mention me, I've been trying to figure it out lol
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2245[13:57:48] <rocket_man> tw: that sounds really useful, i'll look into it
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2247[14:00:05] <gp_> rocket_man: i forgot the password to reset after booting. hence, the boot parameters change as suggested by many manuals on the internet
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2250[14:00:39] <rocket_man> gp: do you have sudo priviledges?
2251[14:00:42] <tw> gp_: usually I think you exec /sbin/init after that.
2252[14:00:45] <tw> (from bash)
2253[14:00:58] <tw> literally `exec /sbin/init`
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2255[14:01:24] <Haohmaru> for access to usb you usually have to add your user to the "dialout" group
2256[14:01:27] <gp_> ah, thanks i'll remember it next time.. definitely worth pointing it out in the official docs.. after passwd
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2259[14:02:24] <rocket_man> also, consider using a password manager. I use replaced-url
2260[14:02:35] <rocket_man> *keepass.org
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2267[14:04:19] <rocket_man> Haohmaru: thanks! let me try it
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2271[14:06:22] <boodie> how do I remove a non empty directory?
2272[14:06:33] <jolt> boodie: rm -rf <directory>
2273[14:06:43] <jolt> But beware, it does it forcefully without asking
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2275[14:06:52] <jolt> (you can add -i to have it ask)
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2277[14:07:17] <jolt> boodie: And if you do it on the wrong dir, there is no turning back
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2292[14:12:43] <boodie> ok; done .... now, how to copy (again recursively) a home directory?
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2296[14:14:22] <Brigo> boodie, cp -a, i would use
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2303[14:19:24] <nvz> /qq
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2306[14:20:23] <nvz> hmm..
2307[14:20:49] <nvz> I know I typed /qq when I meant to type /11 but still that shouldn't have outputted to the channel
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2310[14:22:35] <jolt> nvz: Maybe you had a space in front, or that you pressed esc in the terminal before typing the text.
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2323[14:29:03] <boodie> Hi; now I have the other users /home directories backed-up (as root) on the USB disk; how do I allow myself to access these directories (and subdirectories and files)?
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2329[14:33:24] <ksk> boodie: root can access them by default.
2330[14:33:44] <ksk> if you need $user to access them you have to change ownership (or modify the rights, but giving rights to others is not so cool ;)
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2341[14:40:49] <imabot> I wonder why devuan exists give that you can still go sysvinit on debian
2342[14:40:54] <imabot> if you wish so hard
2343[14:41:24] <koollman_> imabot: because it's not that easy
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2346[14:42:32] <rocket_man> I have a very odd permission problem. I'm trying to install programs with a sandbox (no sudo). On the wiki, it said to make sure user _apt has access to /var/cache/apt/archives; on my system that's a symbolic link to a directory on a seperate partition. The trouble is, _apt can access /var/cache/apt, but not the symbolic link.
2347[14:42:47] <imabot> koollman_, because you have to pin the packages ?
2348[14:43:39] <rocket_man> so the link leads to /media/<rocket_man>/Storage/archives; _apt can access /media/<rocket_man> but not /media/<rocket_man>/. for some reason
2349[14:44:42] <koollman_> imabot: making sure you don't have hard requirements on systemd and its close-related project is hard
2350[14:45:26] <imabot> I guess that this will show when I'll apt-get remove --purge systemd
2351[14:45:47] <imabot> (and I will never since I'm kinda neutral to systemd) anyway
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2356[14:48:18] <nvz> I just did "blkid /dev/sdb1" which is a USB WD Passport 1TB drive, and I added the PARTUUID as an fstab entry UUID=<partuuid> /media/passport ntfs-3g noauto,uid=1000,gid=116 0 0 and when I did mount /media/passport it says it can't find UUID=<partuuid>
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2359[14:49:02] <nvz> so I ran blkid again, and the UUID seems to definately match the one in the error message and in the fstab
2360[14:49:45] <jordanm> nvz: use UUID, not PARTUUID
2361[14:49:51] <jordanm> from the blkid output
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2363[14:50:32] <nvz> jordanm: the UUID wasn't the standard UUID format so I thought that was the wrong one its only 16 chars with no dashes
2364[14:52:33] <nvz> hmm that works, I think I may have seen that before, where the uuid was 16bits instead of 32bits and had no dashes now that I think about it
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2366[14:52:55] <nvz> probably a windows thing no doubt
2367[14:52:58] <jordanm> looking at my system, my one ntfs partition is that way
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2374[14:55:54] <nvz> jordanm: it was probably Bill Gates saying to his team, well nobody will ever need more than 16bit UUIDs anyhow.. heh..like that old 64k memory comment
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2380[14:57:42] <jordanm> nvz: fyi gates claimed he never said that and there is no proof that he did so
2381[14:58:20] <nvz> jordanm: yeah well I know another guy named Bill who said he never had sexual relations with that woman
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2384[15:00:44] <sypher> Except that that Bill later admitted to it. There is no proof that Gates ever said the 640kB quote.
2385[15:00:48] <sypher> Also: #offtopic.
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2394[15:05:48] <Cobalt> Hello. I'm trying to troubleshoot a network interface/routing issue and I wonder if you can help. I have a device connecting to the internet through the LAN on wlan0. This interface supports being a client and AP at the same time, and I have successfully set this up with hostapd and dnsmasq. wlan0's IP is 192.168.2.114, and the virtual interface for the AP is on uap0 with static IP 192.168.50.1. With
2395[15:05:54] <Cobalt> iptables rules iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE; iptables -A FORWARD -i wlan0 -o uap0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT; iptables -A FORWARD -i uap0 -o wlan0 -j ACCEPT wlan0 loses connection to the internet. If I issue ifconfig uap0 down then ifconfig uap0 up, it starts working as expected.
2396[15:06:43] <Cobalt> However, my logs show avahi and ntpd listening on 169.254.205.119. I've not set a 169.254 subnet anywhere. How can I troubleshoot this?
2397[15:07:42] <Cobalt> To clarify when uap0 goes up, it goes up with the appropriate static IP 192.168.50.1
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2401[15:09:21] <Rembo> hello everyone, how can i update debian 6 ?
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2403[15:10:13] <likcoras> Debian 6? Christ.
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2405[15:11:08] <petn-randall> Rembo: You might want to just do a clean reinstallation of Debian 9. Your other option would be to upgrade from 6 to 7 to 8 to 9.
2406[15:11:28] <SwedeMike> Rembo: follow the upgrade guides, and do what petn-randall suggests.
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2409[15:12:21] <SwedeMike> Rembo: if you actually mean you want to go to a newer debian version (which you should, because debian 6 is out of support, so no security updates)
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2412[15:12:54] <nonedead> I just realized something...
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2414[15:13:31] <nonedead> I can accually use the old iMac I have had sitting in a corner for a few years with 9.1
2415[15:14:24] <nonedead> Not sure for what but it be used for something
2416[15:14:48] <SwedeMike> nonedead: yes, that is an advantage after hardware loses its support from its original OS vendor.
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2418[15:15:17] <nonedead> I think it still has MacOS Tiger or something like that
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2428[15:16:41] <nonedead> I've been running a newer (2012ish) MacMini as a living room pc on debian without any problems, It was free so I was not complaining.
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2435[15:20:04] <Rembo> there is no way so i can get sources of debian 6 to update?
2436[15:20:22] <nvz> likcoras: no, Christ used Bo, not Squeeze
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2440[15:20:45] <nvz> Rembo: you want to "update" or upgrade?
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2442[15:21:01] <apollo13> Rembo: you probably need to use replaced-url
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2446[15:22:28] <nvz> Rembo: Debian 6 went off long term support almost 18 months ago, you need to consider upgrading
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2460[15:28:47] <Cobalt> Thanks when setting the AP interface address, it sets up an additional default gateway. I just need to get rid of that.
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2484[15:39:45] <z> hey guys, how can i mount imgc file? thank you
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2492[15:43:26] <towo^work> znull, there is no generic img file
2493[15:43:53] <znull> towo^work, i think it was created with hdd raw on windows,
2494[15:43:54] <towo^work> znull, so you have to describe, what type of image file
2495[15:44:05] <boodie> Hi: what is the standard paste url?
2496[15:44:12] <towo^work> paste.debian.net
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2498[15:44:27] <epsilon> znull: file <img filename>
2499[15:44:41] <jordanm> znull: mount -o loop -t <fstype> /path/to/imgfile /mntpoint
2500[15:45:02] <znull> epsilon, its says only : data
2501[15:45:08] <towo^work> jordanm, no
2502[15:45:27] <towo^work> znull, the same way like you would mount a dd-image
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2504[15:45:56] <epsilon> znull: if it's raw disk incl partitions, you need something like kpartx to moutn the partitions inside
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2506[15:46:10] <towo^work> epsilon, no
2507[15:46:22] <towo^work> kpartx is not needed
2508[15:46:29] <znull> EXT3-fs (loop0): error: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev loop0
2509[15:46:37] <znull> EXT4-fs (loop0): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
2510[15:46:50] <znull> mount -o loop -t ext3 simpleminer-RX-v1090-4.11.rc3-amd.imgc /mnt
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2512[15:46:52] <towo^work> for partitions inside of such image, there has to be add the offset
2513[15:47:18] <towo^work> znull, why you use windows for make an image of a linux disc?
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2515[15:47:31] <znull> towo^work, replaced-url
2516[15:47:49] <znull> towo^work, i didnt made the image file.
2517[15:47:52] <towo^work> znull, and again, if it is a disc image, can't mount an entire disc
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2520[15:48:31] <epsilon> towo^work: how to mount without kpartx?
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2525[15:49:30] <towo^work> epsilon, calculate the offset with fdisk -l
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2529[15:51:09] <epsilon> why should I if kpartx does it for me
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2533[15:51:43] <towo^work> znull, that doesn't look like a raw image
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2536[15:52:08] <znull> towo^work, i know its made with hdd raw copy i think
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2538[15:53:03] <towo^work> it does not make many sense for using a windows tool for creating a disc-image of a linux disc
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2540[15:53:28] <boodie> Hi: this is my sources.list ... replaced-url
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2542[15:53:48] <towo^work> znull, so ask the vendor of that image how to proceed
2543[15:54:12] <jolt> boodie: I usually do the name (stretch), then there is no surprises when a new stable is released
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2548[15:55:08] <znull> towo^work,ok i found some image file which was made with dd
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2591[16:14:09] <jaydemir> can anyone help me with a graphics issue?
2592[16:14:14] <jelly> !ask
2593[16:14:14] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2594[16:14:38] <jaydemir> ok so I have an Nvidia GTX 1050, but its not being recognized even with the drivers installed
2595[16:14:54] <jaydemir> I run sudo lshw -C display and it doesn't even see what the product is
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2598[16:15:05] <boodie> Hi (jessie): have the debian repositories outdated ftp?, in which case what are the basic lines to keep in sources.list and update to stretch?
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2600[16:15:30] <boodie> This is my sources.list at the moment replaced-url
2601[16:15:36] <jaydemir> is there anything I can do or am I stuck reinstalling?
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2612[16:19:37] <DoctorD90> jelly i magically started in eufi mode....I used rufus...(even if i dont like this solution) btw. I also change usb port to use (maybe was this one the issue). The problem is now partitioning the disk: to have root, home, and swap encrypted, I have to create 1 partion for efi. But I have to create another one for grub or grub wil linstall itself in efi partition? I totally dont remember that one
2613[16:19:52] <porton> LibreOffice has a limited depth of itemized sublists. Can you suggest another GUI text editor with higher itemize sublists? (and with text and/or paragraph styles like as in LibreOffice)
2614[16:20:01] <DoctorD90> ...btw 12gb ram...swap is useless...
2615[16:20:27] <porton> with "higher depth itemize sublists", I mean
2616[16:20:46] <DoctorD90> porton libfreoffice writer do you mean? if yes: latex :P
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2619[16:21:03] <porton> DoctorD90: I want a GUI editor. Maybe LyX?
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2621[16:21:40] <porton> what about Gnome Office? KDE Office? (do I name these software correctly?)
2622[16:21:45] <CDuv> Hello, I'm having issue with ProFTPd and fail2ban: in ProFTPd log files, dates are in system's locale (French) which fail2ban does not understand: How can I make ProFTPd use english dates (like everyone else)?
2623[16:21:48] <DoctorD90> ....yes :P I used it to start latex...now I write directly in latex. It easier :)
2624[16:22:16] <porton> DoctorD90: I wrote a book in LaTeX. But now I wish something with easy GUI
2625[16:22:33] <porton> DoctorD90: ... for an entirely different task
2626[16:22:59] <nkuttler> CDuv: please, at least use sftp
2627[16:23:29] <DoctorD90> porton so lyx :P even if writing in latex is easier belong to me. But this is only my opinion :)
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2630[16:24:04] <DoctorD90> anyone knows about grub in efi partition or in another one?
2631[16:24:13] <porton> CDuv: change the env vars in /etc/init.d/proftpd (the filename is approximate). Hm, will it work with SystemD?
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2634[16:25:26] <porton> DoctorD90: My current workaround is to write "(sub)(sub)(sub)" for items three times more enclosed than is supported by LibreOffice Writer
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2638[16:26:18] <CDuv> nkuttler: If only... the company providing us data: 1/ want to use file server to share data instead of say... an HTTP/REST API, 2/ us to house it and /3 can only do FTP (no SFTP)...
2639[16:26:23] <DoctorD90> i never tried, but with latex maybe it has jsut to be used subsubsubparagraph :P in libreoffice...i totally dont know
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2646[16:28:11] <porton> I tried graphviz, but graphs it produces is a total mess even for my partial data. I expect that if I enter the entire data, the graph will become unreadable completely
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2648[16:28:52] <sonOfRa> porton: you can give graphviz hints as to layouting
2649[16:29:05] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): I tried "apt-get -o APT::Get::Trivial-Only=true dist-upgrade", as suggested, but an error message occurred blocking the process, around exim4-base : breaking: exim4-daemon-light (< 4.89) but version 4.84.2-2+deb8u4 is to be installed. What is the problem?
2650[16:29:05] <sonOfRa> Things like "these 5 datapoints should be on the same level"
2651[16:29:07] <nkuttler> porton: what kind of graphs?
2652[16:29:15] <sonOfRa> "These datapoints should be on the same level as well"
2653[16:29:20] <sonOfRa> And then it layouts according to those
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2656[16:30:05] <porton> nkuttler: Perl scripts, templates they use, Perl scripts used by templates, etc. Simply put: The graph of software modules and their submodules
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2658[16:30:23] <nkuttler> hm, i see
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2661[16:33:54] <Tenkawa> Anyone seen the discover process hang up an install in recent installer images? specificly on a baytrail atom setup
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2664[16:35:30] <beaver> hello, or find the bot sources "dpkg" ?
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2668[16:37:39] <sonOfRa> porton: replaced-url
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2670[16:38:27] <porton> sonOfRa: I think my graph is too big to manually specify every node. Still better to use itemized lists with sublists in LibreOffice Writer
2671[16:39:02] <sonOfRa> Can always generate the dot automatically, I bet there's tools to analyze perl code that can do things like that
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2673[16:39:31] <porton> sonOfRa: Our code is so disordered that no automatic analysis can build the graph I need
2674[16:39:32] <sonOfRa> But yeah, if you're doing it all manually, that'll be a pain
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2676[16:39:42] <sonOfRa> Ah yes. Good ol' perl :P
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2678[16:40:04] <porton> sonOfRa: It would be better if Perl never created
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2683[16:41:38] <DoctorD90> ok, it asks me for grub ....ok :P solved :D grub partition required
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2693[16:47:31] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): I tried "apt-geHi (Jessie): I tried "apt-get -o APT::Get::Trivial-Only=true dist-upgrade", as suggested, but an error message occurred blocking the process, around exim4-base : breaking: exim4-daemon-light (< 4.89) but version 4.84.2-2+deb8u4 is to be installed. What is the problem?
2694[16:48:12] <petn-randall> !bat
2695[16:48:13] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2696[16:48:26] <petn-randall> boodie: Can you provide the details from above? ^^^
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2703[16:51:05] <boodie> petn-randall: I need to set the language to english ... I don't remember the syntax
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2705[16:51:14] <greycat> LC_ALL=C apt-get whatever
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2712[16:54:38] <boodie> replaced-url
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2715[16:55:22] <petn-randall> boodie: Can you also provide 2. + 3. from the factoid?
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2718[16:55:40] <Antares> replaced-url
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2722[16:56:16] <abrotman> Antares: please don't spam here
2723[16:56:34] <Antares> sorry
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2726[16:57:14] <abrotman> Antares: This is a Debian support channel, do you need help with Debian?
2727[16:57:58] <Antares> to.. me ubuntu on server
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2729[16:58:09] <Sabotender> this debian installer does not detect my touchpad, which stinks
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2731[16:59:54] <tw> There's always the text installer. And possibly the non-free firmware installer, which I don't remember the trigger for.
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2733[17:00:21] <Sabotender> tw: oh I am just tabbing my way to success
2734[17:00:32] <tw> If you're network came up, all good.
2735[17:00:40] <greycat> Yeah, I've never used any Debian installer that uses a mouse in any way.
2736[17:00:53] <Sabotender> network? I have no network as I am using broadcom hardware
2737[17:01:01] <greycat> !firmware image
2738[17:01:01] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2739[17:01:02] <Sabotender> so that is ALWAYS a pain to get started
2740[17:01:45] <Sabotender> and it seems the non-free doesn't have my BCM43XX drivers anyway
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2744[17:03:01] <tw> I have the same chip in my gpd pocket. Had to install some fellow's custom fedora kernel patches.
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2746[17:03:11] <tw> or a similer chip, that series.
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2748[17:03:30] <Sabotender> my actual adapter is BCM4352
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2750[17:03:59] <boodie> Output of at-cache policy: replaced-url
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2754[17:05:42] <tw> I'm surprised that chip isn't supported in the unofficial installer.
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2758[17:06:33] <boodie> Sorry replaced-url
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2760[17:07:32] <Sabotender> as am I. I've installed debian on this computer before, and it has never detected it out-of-box
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2771[17:12:56] <debroooo> When a .deb (Trying to install Lightworks) says: "Depends: libjpeg8 (>= 8c) but it is not installable" Is there a way please to fix this without breaking my debian installation?
2772[17:13:10] <greycat> ,v libjpeg8
2773[17:13:11] <judd> Package: libjpeg8 on amd64 -- wheezy: 8d-1+deb7u1
2774[17:13:22] <greycat> You can try installing the wheezy package.
2775[17:13:39] <greycat> Assuming of course that you are on wheezy *or later*, not squeeze or earlier.
2776[17:13:52] <debroooo> I'm using Debian 9
2777[17:14:07] <greycat> If you can get the wheezy libjpeg8 to install, then you may be OK.
2778[17:14:17] <petn-randall> debroooo: Ideally lightworks should have a newer package built against all the libraries in stretch.
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2782[17:16:12] <greycat> If google isn't badly deceiving me, their web site is replaced-url
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2784[17:16:20] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): I encountered a problem while simulating an upgrade to stretch. Here are the outputs: replaced-url
2785[17:16:21] <greycat> No version numbers are stated, or anything.
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2791[17:17:44] <towo`> boodie, you have no main stretch repo in your sources, only updates and security
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2794[17:18:10] <DoctorD90> guys, im looking to automatic install: replaced-url
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2799[17:19:07] <DoctorD90> and im doing it manually rigth now. To get "debconf-get-selections --installer > file" i have to open a shell at the end of installation before exit the installer, or once the system has rebooted?
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2819[17:26:47] <boodie> towo`: Hah, no surprise then ... which are the main repositories?
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2822[17:27:30] <towo`> deb deb replaced-url
2823[17:27:34] <towo`> grr
2824[17:27:42] <towo`> boodie, deb replaced-url
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2826[17:27:56] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
2827[17:27:57] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2829[17:28:09] <debroooo> I installed libjpeg8 using wheezy package and the installation is working now. But the software crashes on startup without logs...
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2831[17:28:23] <groovejunkk> I am currently trieing to repairr my grub on my hdd, just fixed up a debian livestick via unetbootin on a friends windows machine and I cannot login .. the login in screen tends to popup every few seconds.. no matter if I type something or not
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2835[17:28:46] <groovejunkk> Has anyone heard of a similar issue? there is nothing on the web
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2837[17:28:59] <CDuv> It looks like I can change LANGUAGE using: env - LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 /etc/init.d/proftpd restart
2838[17:28:59] <CDuv> How can modify /etc/init.d/proftpd to make this permanent?
2839[17:28:59] <CDuv> Adding `export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8` did not worked.
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2841[17:29:56] <greycat> What on earth are you trying to achieve?
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2843[17:30:09] <groovejunkk> on shutdown i see multiple xinit erros saying 'unable to connect to x-server: Connection refused'
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2845[17:30:14] <greycat> Why would you care about the content of $LANGUAGE during a daemon restart?
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2848[17:30:44] <greycat> groovejunkk: if the X server dies before the clients do, you get those. They're harmless as long as you know they're coming from stopping the session.
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2854[17:31:55] <groovejunkk> okay, so this has nothing to do with the login issue?
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2861[17:33:43] <CDuv> greycat: ProFTPD writes dates in OS's language instead of classic english, so fail2ban is lost
2862[17:34:12] <greycat> Then you definitely don't want to mess around with $LANGUAGE. You may want LANG or LC_ALL.
2863[17:35:09] <CDuv> Right, using `env - LANG=...` works too :)
2864[17:35:23] <greycat> setting LANG inside the boot script may help
2865[17:35:37] <jelly> CDuv, or drop soemthing like "export LC_ALL=C" near the beginning of the script
2866[17:35:41] <jelly> not LANG.
2867[17:35:50] <jelly> LC_ALL overrides everything
2868[17:36:04] <greycat> That may be extreme overkill, but hey, whatever works.
2869[17:36:20] <jelly> says the person chattr+iing resolv.conf
2870[17:36:33] <greycat> replaced-url
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2872[17:36:47] <jelly> yeah, because... it overrides everything
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2877[17:37:49] <jelly> I guess in THEORY LC_TIME would be enough for strftime() and friends?
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2879[17:38:18] <greycat> LANG is probably enough, unless he's got something bizarre going on.
2880[17:38:20] <jelly> but does CDuv really want to experiment with the minimum possible side effect
2881[17:38:23] <CDuv> Yay: adding `export LANG=en_US.UTF-8` in the first lines of /etc/init.d/proftpd works (LANGUAGE did not)
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2883[17:38:43] <greycat> "Yes, he does."
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2890[17:40:04] <Sabotender> help me out here, what is 'debian desktop enviornment'?
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2892[17:40:25] <Sabotender> If I want to install 'KDE' should I leave that one checked as well?
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2895[17:41:16] <Sabotender> also, if I choose multiple desktop enviornmets, how would the system know which one to start up by default?
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2897[17:41:33] <jelly> Sabotender, the default gets you Gnome, if you want KDE, select just KDE
2898[17:41:33] <CDuv> So does LC_ALL and LC_TIME, I'll stick with LC_TIME if I understood it right: that's the least intrusive thing to do?
2899[17:41:42] <jelly> CDuv, yes
2900[17:41:58] <jelly> that one only deals with date and time formats
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2902[17:42:21] <Sabotender> jelly: but there's literally a 'Debian Desktop Enviornment' choice along with 'GNOME'
2903[17:42:22] <Guest78449> Sabotender: a manager like xdm or gdm will provide a graphical login and let you choose which one to start
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2906[17:43:11] <Cl0udN9ne> Sabotender: both point to the same
2907[17:43:56] <jmcnaught> CDuv: if you're going for least intrusive you may want to change /etc/default/proftpd instead of editing the init script
2908[17:43:59] <Sabotender> oh, well to cut down on the confusion, I am deselecting 'Debian Desktop Enviornment' and just selecting 'KDE'
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2913[17:44:38] <Cl0udN9ne> yes,if you want KDE then thts what you want to do
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2915[17:45:12] <CDuv> jmcnaught: even better ;)
2916[17:45:36] <jelly> Sabotender, I'm honestly not sure why there's a separate Gnome, unless 'Debian Desktop Enviornment' is kind of supposed to be the "parent" and you choose one of the options
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2923[17:47:31] <Sabotender> and watch, debian is going to detect my iphone tethering right off
2924[17:47:37] <jmcnaught> i think it's for people who know they want a desktop environment, but don't know what any of them are
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2935[17:53:09] <debroooo> I need to downgrade libportaudio2 to Jessie (for Lightworks) but "sudo apt -t jessie install libportaudio2" says "libportaudio2 is already the newest version". Any idea please? I don't need the newest version
2936[17:53:23] <debroooo> I added Jessie repos to my sources.list btw
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2943[17:55:25] <greycat> -t isn't strong enough to cause a version downgrade. You probably have specify the actual version with =
2944[17:55:27] <fred1807> my debian server does not have the command strings
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2946[17:55:32] <fred1807> how do I install it?
2947[17:55:50] <greycat> fred1807: it's in binutils
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2951[17:58:37] <debroooo> Yes it's working :p apt is genius
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2958[18:01:17] <Sabotender> look at THAT! See, that's just what I told you
2959[18:01:19] <Sabotender> yay
2960[18:02:12] <Sabotender> what is the best way to install the bcm43XX drivers? is there a link somewhere?
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2962[18:03:07] <debroooo> I think there is a wiki page about it
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2966[18:04:33] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: last night it was the bcm45xx, can you confirm which card you have with "lspci -nn" and then show us the PCI ID that looks like [abcd:1234]?
2967[18:04:37] <boodie> towo`: thanks X 1000
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2969[18:05:11] <Sabotender> jmcnaught: eh? that must have been a typo
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2971[18:05:25] <Sabotender> I meant bcm4352
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2973[18:05:45] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: well i spent time last night looking for firmware for your typo card so maybe you could just run that command now?
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2975[18:06:01] <CDuv> Sabotender: I did `apt-get install firmware-b43-installer`
2976[18:06:09] <debroooo> Probably this replaced-url
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2988[18:08:55] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: replaced-url
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2996[18:13:02] <DoctorD90> it wont boot up -.-
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3005[18:15:18] <Sabotender> 14e4:43b1
3006[18:15:28] <Sabotender> BUT it appears that I need to fix my sources.list
3007[18:15:40] <Sabotender> I have never used stretch before so it looks a bit different to me
3008[18:15:49] <Sabotender> I think the last one I've used was...jessie
3009[18:16:22] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: thanks. 14e4:43b1 is listed on that wl wiki page, though the instructions are for jessie it probably isn't very different
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3011[18:16:50] <jmcnaught> do you have a network connection available while you install the packages you need?
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3013[18:16:57] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: what won't boot up?
3014[18:17:06] <Sabotender> replaced-url
3015[18:18:00] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught the system -.-" it has installed without issues, I parted correctly, but in the end, at boot pc said "no bootable media" -.-" grrrrr
3016[18:18:14] <Brigo> ,pciid 14e4:43b1
3017[18:18:15] <judd> [14e4:43b1] is 'BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Limited' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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3019[18:18:53] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: did the grub installation appear to succeed?
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3021[18:18:58] <DoctorD90> yes...
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3023[18:19:02] <nvz> what would be a simple and light on the resources way to join two avi files together? I got two discs ripped and want to make one file out of the two rips
3024[18:19:13] <DoctorD90> in efi partition it is there efi/debian/grub x64.efi
3025[18:19:17] <DoctorD90> or something similar
3026[18:19:22] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: if you are using an installer image you can boot it again in rescue mode, there's a menu option to reinstall grub
3027[18:19:26] <DoctorD90> in grub it is there efi folder but it is empty
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3029[18:19:43] <DoctorD90> it wont mountpartitions T_T
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3032[18:20:15] <DoctorD90> im using dvd of unofficial with firmware non free due to wifi
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3034[18:20:51] <jmcnaught> is it an installer image or a live image. is it burned to a DVD, or on a USB stick?
3035[18:21:00] <jmcnaught> which release?
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3038[18:21:55] <DoctorD90> stretch on usb with rufus
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3041[18:24:01] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: that's it then. rufus breaks debian installer images, one of the problems it causes is grub install failures
3042[18:24:57] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: replaced-url
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3044[18:25:09] <Sabotender> is it possible for me to install gnome terminal in KDE?
3045[18:25:15] <Sabotender> I hate uterm and xterm
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3047[18:25:29] <Sabotender> they are crappy and don't support right-click to paste from clipboard
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3049[18:26:06] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught actually im in rescue mode...btw....i wil reintall all again once copied...it will be safer belong to me xD
3050[18:26:13] <DoctorD90> many thx jmcnaught !!!
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3052[18:28:23] <boodie> Looks like the system is ready to be upgraded (packages: 3215 upgraded, 1271 newly installed, 176 to remove and 1 not upgraded)... any chance to estimate the time needed? I have an AMD Athlon 3200+, with 3 gigs of RAM ... just a rough estimate
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3057[18:28:52] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught so just copy? i used DD this morning :P
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3060[18:29:42] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: yes you can run any DE's applications in any other DE
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3063[18:29:53] <jhutchins_wk> boodie: Chances are the limit will be the speed you can get from the mirrors.
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3065[18:30:06] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: you need to copy the image to a device, not a partition. You can use dd, cp's syntax is simpler
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3067[18:30:39] <DoctorD90> ah ok! I didnt know that cp can do that :D
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3069[18:30:42] <DoctorD90> great! thx!
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3073[18:31:05] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: the things you learn if you read the install manual ☺
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3076[18:31:29] <DoctorD90> hehe..you have rigth :P one day I will do it :D I promise!
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3079[18:31:52] <jmcnaught> it is traditional to read installation documentation before installation
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3081[18:32:33] <DoctorD90> eh...but I installed debian other times...but since debian9 im encountering some issues >.>
3082[18:32:40] <DoctorD90> and new pc wont help me
3083[18:33:37] <Sabotender> apt-get update does nothing for me
3084[18:33:55] <Sabotender> it doesn't seem to download any updates for my system
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3086[18:34:52] <Sabotender> all it does is report 'reading package lists....done'
3087[18:35:23] <boodie> jhutchins_wk: hmmm ... understood. I have broadband / fiber optics. Could it be 3 hours or rather 3 days?
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3101[18:39:57] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: if you installed without configuring a network mirror than your sources.list file will only have the disc you installed from as a source
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3103[18:40:06] <jhutchins_wk> boodie: Hard to predict, I have gigabit and a full netinstall takes ~30 minutes.
3104[18:40:24] <jhutchins_wk>
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3106[18:41:07] <Sabotender> jmcnaught: there's multiple lines here in my sources.list
3107[18:41:23] * greycat wonders what a "full" net install is
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3110[18:41:44] <Sabotender> deb replaced-url
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3112[18:41:59] <Sabotender> deb-src (same as above)
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3114[18:42:25] <greycat> !tell Sabotender about stretch sources.list
3115[18:42:34] <Sabotender> and then there's another one: deb replaced-url
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3117[18:43:21] <Sabotender> greycat: that's not going to work, as I have +g
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3120[18:44:01] <Sabotender> I don't allow unsolicited pvt messages sent to me. ;-)
3121[18:44:05] <greycat> *plonk*
3122[18:44:40] <wald0> I'm using debconf-set-selections for administrative tasks, my question is: i need to set them before to install a package (that works?) or i need to set it after that the package is installed (and then run dpkg-rconfigure) ?
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3124[18:44:52] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Installing a fully provisioned desktop system.
3125[18:45:01] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: you can '/accept dpkg' to get its factoids
3126[18:45:18] <boodie> !tell boodie about stretch sources.list
3127[18:45:22] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught I try to ask you. Debian asks me about ath10k/(pre-)cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin but I cant find both anywhere...
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3129[18:45:28] <jmcnaught> boodie: /msg dpkg selftell
3130[18:45:35] <DoctorD90> do you know where could I get them?
3131[18:45:47] <Sabotender> jmcnaught: oh I know, I was just saying
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3134[18:46:33] <Sabotender> !tell Sabotender about stretch sources.list
3135[18:46:37] <jhutchins_wk> !firmware
3136[18:46:37] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
3137[18:46:57] <jhutchins_wk> !ath10k
3138[18:46:58] <dpkg> ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required and not currently packaged (bug #724970), ask me about <ath10k firmware>. replaced-url
3139[18:47:04] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: you can just /msg the bot you don't need to use !tell in the public channel. The channel topic has a lot of examples
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3142[18:47:36] <DoctorD90> thx jhutchins_wk !!!
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3145[18:48:25] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: there are ath10k firmwares packaged in firmware-atheros, but i don't know if the specific one your card needs is in there
3146[18:48:35] <DoctorD90> i will install it once it wil lfinish
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3149[18:48:56] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught I used unofficial iso due to this, so it has also the main firmware
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3152[18:49:23] <DoctorD90> but it still cant find these 2 bin. Probably I will get thx to jhutchins_wk :P I will try once system will be installed
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3156[18:50:03] <martin_____> hi I get when calling sensible-pager pager: applet not found
3157[18:50:08] <martin_____> this is ood
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3159[18:50:21] <martin_____> how can i fix this?
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3164[18:51:30] <wald0> ok, since any entry (unexisting ones) can be saved I assume yes
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3169[18:53:48] <jhutchins_wk> DoctorD90: I know that some chipsets require that you extract the firmware from the Windows drivers.
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3171[18:54:07] <jmcnaught> martin_____: is $PAGER set to be 'applet'?
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3175[18:55:07] <Sabotender> MUCH better
3176[18:55:14] <jmcnaught> wald0: people usually 'preseed' debconf before installation. Are you using output from debconf-get-selections?
3177[18:55:18] <Sabotender> now it is updating after I performed a little clean up
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3180[18:55:44] <martin_____> jmcnaught: echo $PAGER has no output
3181[18:55:54] <DoctorD90> jhutchins_wk :O ....it works even without that step luckly
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3183[18:57:20] <jmcnaught> martin_____: i have less installed and sensible-pager runs that for me without $PAGER being set. Do you have less installed?
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3188[18:58:29] <martin_____> yes
3189[18:58:39] <martin_____> I reinstalled less
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3192[18:59:16] <jmcnaught> martin_____: it wasn't installed before?
3193[18:59:32] <martin_____> it was. but maybe the installation was broken
3194[18:59:38] <martin_____> I did a install --reinstall with apt
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3199[19:02:09] <Sabotender> yes! wireless has been installed, now I just need to install the proprietary nvidia drivers
3200[19:02:32] <greycat> sensible-pager (at least in stretch) is just a shell script that runs $PAGER, or pager
3201[19:02:52] <greycat> (or more)
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3204[19:03:21] <greycat> So if $PAGER is empty the next question is what /usr/bin/pager and /etc/alternatives/pager point to.
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3206[19:03:51] <Sabotender> I don't like how that script or whatever its called, compiled a new kernel or whatever but it was the exact same version. I'll have to find someone to help me clean that up
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3208[19:04:17] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught at the end, when it asks me about intall grub for buggy efi, should I accept? or refuse?
3209[19:04:45] <jmcnaught> the question about the fallback location? just accept the default
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3211[19:04:59] <Sabotender> is this an appropriate tutorial to follow for the NVIDIA drivers: replaced-url
3212[19:05:15] <DoctorD90> ok! thx!
3213[19:05:45] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: yes. Whatever you do don't install the script from nvidia's website. Or maybe give nouveau.
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3215[19:06:10] <Sabotender> yeah I don't want noveau crap
3216[19:06:26] <jmcnaught> you want proprietary crap, cool
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3218[19:06:47] <Sabotender> absolutely.
3219[19:07:21] <Sabotender> because proprietary does it right, and nouveau doesn't work correctly on my hardware.
3220[19:07:32] <DoctorD90> ah! rigth! it asks me about nouveau driver at boot, or better, it gave me error about nouveau....for gpu nvidia should I use propietary or opnesource ?
3221[19:07:41] <DoctorD90> i need mainly cuda, for computing nothing less
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3223[19:07:44] <Sabotender> as for "aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-driver" can I swap aptitude with apt-get?
3224[19:08:26] <greycat> !nvidia
3225[19:08:26] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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3227[19:08:42] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: DoctorD90: you both might need to install firmware-linux-nonfree for the firmwares for nouveau to work correctly
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3232[19:09:56] <DoctorD90> ok, so i wil install once system will finish to install :D
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3235[19:10:44] <Sabotender> jmcnaught: not interested in nouveau. Even when installed properly, it displays glitches and distorions and stuff I just don't want to deal with right now. I just want it to work.
3236[19:10:57] <Sabotender> can I switch aptitude with apt-get?
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3240[19:11:16] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: if you are ever unsure about a command then read its man page
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3242[19:11:51] <Sabotender> or, ask somewhere else ;-)
3243[19:12:22] <jmcnaught> Sabotender: or install aptitude
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3251[19:15:13] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught wait.....i dont want that gpu touch the dispaly...I prefer it is handled by processor...I need gpu exclusively for computing, with cuda
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3254[19:15:27] <DoctorD90> I need nouveau the same? or can I dont install it?
3255[19:15:40] <greycat> Try it both ways and see?
3256[19:16:20] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: you shouldn't need to remove nouveau packages to use the proprietary drivers
3257[19:16:23] <DoctorD90> greycat i dont want waste the os xD or if I will make something wrong I have to reinstall all again xD ahahah so it would be the best if you know xD
3258[19:16:45] <DoctorD90> my question is: how to use cuda? cuda is a simple package?
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3260[19:17:13] <greycat> So try whatever your thing is *without* doing the proprietary nvidia stuff. If it's not working, install the non-free firmware. If it's still not working, then consider installing the proprietary drivers according to the Debian wiki, NOT the nvidia web page.
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3264[19:17:40] <greycat> You're asking *us* how to use your thing? I have utterly no idea.
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3267[19:18:17] <greycat> Whatever your program is, it's going to be something special and unique.
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3269[19:18:25] <Sabotender> is there a way to use that without having to install aptitude? I don't want to install all these extra packages
3270[19:18:27] <DoctorD90> ok, so in the end, nvidia official proprietary driver NO...ok! i will keep this in mind :)
3271[19:18:48] <Sabotender> I'll just try it with apt-get and see what happens
3272[19:19:11] <DoctorD90> greycat just use gpu as cpu....but Im sure that when I will need, a google search will help me :) ...for now...the main stuuf is to install it xD
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3274[19:19:30] <greycat> DoctorD90: whatever program you have that does that, follow its instructions.
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3277[19:19:58] <greycat> It almost sounds like you think you can use the graphics card as a *general purpose* CPU. This is not the case.
3278[19:20:08] <greycat> If you think that, stop thinking that.
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3284[19:21:14] <sypher> "How to use CUDA" is a question that indicates a complete lack of understanding as to what CUDA is. That's like asking how to use glibc.
3285[19:21:34] <DoctorD90> greycat not *general purpose*, but with program like matlab. Or like with aircrack/piryt/hashcat and so on that use the power of gpu as main processor to speed up computing :) but I dont want to use nvidia to handle display and graphics :P
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3287[19:21:55] <greycat> OK, matlab. You want to run matlab in some special-snowflake way. Follow the matlab manual and do what it says.
3288[19:22:07] <DoctorD90> sypher probably yes. This is my first pc with a dedicated grapich card :)
3289[19:22:17] <DoctorD90> ok ! :D
3290[19:22:32] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: sagemath is in stretch
3291[19:22:46] <sypher> DoctorD90: So... Why don't you go learn what CUDA is and what it can do and how it is applied?
3292[19:23:31] <sparky4> greycat: i fixed it
3293[19:23:36] <sparky4> ~/.* files well one of them
3294[19:23:43] <sparky4> not sure which one
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3297[19:24:57] <bielewelt> May I throw in a question? On Debian testing, virtualbox refuses to start because of a missing kernel module. When I try to report this as a bug, reportbug says: “Your version (5.1.10-dfsg-1) of virtualbox appears to be out of date. The following newer release(s) are available in the Debian archive: sid/contrib: 5.1.26-dfsg-1” but this is not offered to me when I do the update/upgrade dance.
3298[19:25:20] <greycat> It's just a comment from reportbug.
3299[19:25:47] <bielewelt> So the newer version is not really available in testing?
3300[19:25:54] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught i knew about octave..i write down this sagemath and I will search later :D
3301[19:25:57] <greycat> The deb-devs may not be focused on fixing bugs in older versions, so you may either want to wait for the newer version to hit testing, or try to duplicate the problem on a sid system.
3302[19:26:03] <sypher> sid != testing.
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3304[19:26:29] <DoctorD90> sypher because Im doing much more than 1 stuff :P so I hoped in a simple answer. otherwise, I will looking for when I'll need it ^^
3305[19:26:42] <DoctorD90> but many thx for the effort! i really appreciate!
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3307[19:27:02] <bielewelt> greycat: thanks!
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3378[20:28:16] <hdelien> I need some help
3379[20:28:41] <petn-randall> !ask
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3381[20:28:41] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3394[20:33:17] <hdelien> I moved from Windows 10 to Debian 9 and I'm having a problem with video. My MB has integrated graphics Radeon HD 3000. When I rebooted, the screen is barely readable at 800x600 resolution after the last "get update." It appears that I need the AMD Catalyst™ 13.1 driver but that doesn't even appear to be compatable with jesse let alone stretch. any
3395[20:33:18] <hdelien> advice?
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3397[20:33:45] <greycat> More likely you just need to install some firmware.
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3399[20:34:12] <greycat> Make sure you have contrib and non-free enabled in your sources, and try installing firmware-amd-graphics
3400[20:34:31] <hdelien> I tried that
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3413[20:40:52] <hdelien> it appears to be using "fglrx"
3414[20:41:25] <towo`> no
3415[20:41:32] <towo`> fglrx does not exist anymore
3416[20:41:44] <greycat> I *really* hope he didn't do some crazy fglrx crap from the ati web site.
3417[20:41:50] <towo`> and radeon is supporting a hd3000 fine
3418[20:42:18] <hdelien> on stretch?
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3421[20:42:42] <towo`> what on stretch?
3422[20:42:52] <towo`> radeon works fine even in jessie
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3424[20:44:04] <hdelien> The only place I'm installing from for this problem is with synaptic package manager
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3426[20:44:29] <towo`> hdelien, dpkg -l | grep firmware
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3428[20:44:44] <hdelien> At 800x600 the screen trembles a bit, bove that it's unreadable.
3429[20:44:47] <petn-randall> hdelien: Ok, that's good. The installer from their website usually breaks systems in unusual and cruel ways.
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3433[20:46:59] <hdelien> I look at that when I get home. Sorry, don't have remote desktop working yet. Like I said, I'm coming from Windows. I have experience in Sco Unix and AIX, but wow this is a different world
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3436[20:48:05] <hdelien> I've only managed to get a few things working so far... torguard, utorrent, and Plex Media Server... [sigh] so much to figure out.
3437[20:48:08] <greycat> You really need to have access to the machine with the problem, to fix the problem.
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3439[20:48:51] <hdelien> IK, but then I'll have to get an IRC client for my phone, lol.
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3442[20:49:52] <hdelien> Thanks all, I'll get back on when I can be in front of the machine.
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3504[21:18:46] <SuperTramp83> replaced-url
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3523[21:25:58] <BlackBishop> so .. I just updated a machine from wheezy to jessie .. and at boot .. it can't find vgroot-lvusr .. tried booting in rescue mode and all is there .. ideas on how to further debug ?
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3527[21:26:33] <BlackBishop> ( root .. usr .. var .. are on lvm :| don't shoot me .. I'm the one who needs to fix it .. )
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3531[21:27:39] <BlackBishop> actually root is on /dev/md0 .. usr is on lvm
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3604[22:05:38] <sypher> BlackBishop: systemd kinda doesn't like when usr is on its own partition.
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3606[22:06:27] <BlackBishop> :) yeah .. replaced-url
3607[22:06:41] <jmcnaught> BlackBishop: are you using a non-Debian kernel?
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3611[22:07:16] <BlackBishop> jmcnaught: nope
3612[22:07:26] <BlackBishop> the thing is usr is in a lvm on a raid
3613[22:07:38] <BlackBishop> got past that part :)
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3637[22:22:48] <pizzaops> Is there a good way to find out what kernel patches Debian applies?
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3639[22:23:07] <pizzaops> I'm trying to figure out if Debian 9 includes the kernel patch for Mac's to properly suspend/resume and poweroff.
3640[22:23:18] <pizzaops> The patch was accepted for 4.13, but some distros carry it.
3641[22:23:27] <pizzaops> My googling is failing me here.
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3643[22:24:13] <greycat> replaced-url
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3646[22:24:50] <greycat> That should have all the changes. It's a 2.9 MB xz-compressed file. Happy reading.
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3648[22:25:01] <gkujha> 'ello
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3651[22:25:35] <gkujha> how does debian testing and unstable compare to Archlinux?
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3654[22:26:52] <format_c> gkujha, how does Guinnes tastes compared to Tiquila?
3655[22:27:03] <gkujha> idk o_O
3656[22:27:12] <gkujha> oh tequila
3657[22:27:14] <gkujha> :P
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3659[22:27:35] <jhutchins_wk> sypher: On the other hand, root defaults to binaries that are in /bin instead of /usr/bin in case /usr isn't mounted.
3660[22:27:36] <teraflops> gkujha: better try both of them and make your own idea
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3662[22:28:11] <gkujha> format_c, there is this beer flavored with tequila, i like it :P
3663[22:28:36] <jhutchins_wk> gkujha: One big different is that Arch is intended as a usable release, while testing is available for bug hunting and sid is a repository of packages headed toward testing.
3664[22:29:00] <jhutchins_wk> gkujha: Niether of those is intended as a working release.
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3666[22:29:01] <teraflops> I do archlinux but not debian testing/unstable, I only do debian stable so I cannot help
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3668[22:29:36] <gkujha> jhutchins, ok thanks, interesting
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3670[22:29:42] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: what do you mean by working release?
3671[22:30:22] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: Testing is allowed to be broken. It will _eventually_ be a working release where (mostly) everything works, but it isn't yet.
3672[22:30:33] <n4dir> not that there wouldn't be users who do use testing or unstable as a usable distro (instead of helping with bughunting).
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3674[22:30:52] <n4dir> only: if it breaks, there is no good reason to complain.
3675[22:30:58] <gkujha> O_o
3676[22:30:58] <gkujha> i see
3677[22:31:06] <greycat> Using it is also bug-hunting, even if it's surprise bug-hunting.
3678[22:31:18] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: ah, you were talking about debian? yes I agree
3679[22:31:25] <n4dir> for me unstable has been pretty stable for quite some years (my guess is 6 or 7). Had to reinstall once or twice.
3680[22:31:30] <gkujha> i basically want updated distro for my new computer
3681[22:31:31] <greycat> As long as they say something when they encounter a problem.
3682[22:31:48] <greycat> gkujha: what does stretch lack that you need?
3683[22:31:49] <jhutchins_wk> If you need the computer to work, use stable. If you want to tinker, use both.
3684[22:31:54] <gkujha> deb stable is good good for server but maybe bit old software?
3685[22:32:05] <greycat> What SPECIFICALLY is too old for you?
3686[22:32:10] <n4dir> shesh.
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3689[22:32:21] <teraflops> gkujha: right now is not that old (stable)
3690[22:32:32] <gkujha> but it can become? :/
3691[22:32:33] <greycat> If your only objection is "the version numbers are not as big as Arch's version numbers", then this is not the OS for you.
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3694[22:32:50] <n4dir> not: "too old", rather "what features do you miss in which software you call too old"
3695[22:32:56] <greycat> !sns
3696[22:32:56] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
3697[22:32:59] <jhutchins_wk> Some people have version number envy.
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3700[22:33:21] <n4dir> and then there is still debian-backports
3701[22:33:22] <teraflops> but some dont
3702[22:33:43] <gkujha> for example octave... i want new version because it's closest to current matlab
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3704[22:34:02] <gkujha> Archlinux is great but bit... rough-edge
3705[22:34:05] <greycat> I am not hearing anything about what *features* you are missing.
3706[22:34:18] <n4dir> yeah, you said the exact same thing.
3707[22:34:20] <greycat> Just numbers. You want large numbers for the sake of having large numbers. Debian is not going to make you happy.
3708[22:34:26] <gkujha> :(
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3710[22:34:46] <teraflops> and hehe
3711[22:34:53] <teraflops> oops, s/and/
3712[22:34:57] <n4dir> iirc there are distros based on debian unstable (siduction or such?)
3713[22:35:24] <gkujha> nah, i'd like a big 'original' distro like debian
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3716[22:36:37] <n4dir> if it was me i would try debian stable for a while. If it misses something (and really does miss a feature), add backports. If you a) got the hang of it and b) really do need new features, not new versions, then give sid a try
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3718[22:38:08] <jhutchins_wk> I think for people who need a computer every day, but are interested in testing, a dual-boot setup is a great idea. That way when something breaks in testing, you just boot to stable and report it, and you can troubleshoot in a chroot.
3719[22:38:40] <gkujha> n4dir mmaybe then. sid is more recommended than testing? oO
3720[22:38:45] <n4dir> very good point (i started like that, but as sid failed to break for me, and failed horribly, i sticked to it :-) )
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3722[22:38:51] <greycat> There would have to be a catastrophic break to require you to reboot into a whole other OS to report the bug.
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3724[22:39:12] <gkujha> backports sound good too
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3726[22:39:28] <jhutchins_wk> Intel video drivers a couple years back.
3727[22:39:32] <n4dir> gkujha: some say so, others say different. use the search term "debian which distro should i run" und you will get a good overview.
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3730[22:40:08] <n4dir> replaced-url
3731[22:41:38] <gkujha> reading that now :o
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3737[22:43:14] <teraflops> gkujha: try it and see, it's the best advice _I_ can give, based on my experience is the best way of figuring which distro suits you best
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3739[22:44:03] <teraflops> same applies for WM/DE and whatnot
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3743[22:44:34] <n4dir> !best
3744[22:44:34] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
3745[22:44:37] <n4dir> :-)
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3751[22:48:03] <gkujha> updating from stable to sid is as easy as updating from stable to new stable?
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3753[22:48:56] <gp__> !best mp3 cli
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3755[22:49:13] <gkujha> !best irc client
3756[22:49:13] <dpkg> [irssi] the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read replaced-url
3757[22:49:16] <gkujha> :O
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3760[22:49:43] <gkujha> i have to disagree with this bot :|
3761[22:49:45] <greycat> !factinfo best irc client
3762[22:49:45] <dpkg> best irc client -- created by Guerin <~magpie@60.197.208.2> at Thu Jun 2 11:46:25 2005 (4439 days); it has been requested 75 times, last by gkujha, 31s ago.
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3765[22:50:32] <gkujha> or maybe not actually
3766[22:50:37] <gkujha> but i prefer gui client
3767[22:50:39] <gkujha> :p
3768[22:50:53] <format_c> xchat
3769[22:50:56] <gp__> !best audio player
3770[22:51:13] <gkujha> should i say *mIRC*
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3773[22:51:19] <gkujha> !!!
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3775[22:51:19] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
3776[22:51:21] <n4dir> gkujha: in general yes, it is pretty easy.
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3778[22:51:29] <whjms> !best terminal
3779[22:51:37] <gkujha> !best shell
3780[22:51:41] <format_c> hui...
3781[22:51:42] <whjms> fish, duh
3782[22:52:04] <gkujha> !best bsd
3783[22:52:04] <dpkg> NetBSD
3784[22:52:08] <gkujha> :P
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3786[22:52:19] <format_c> FreeBSD
3787[22:52:20] <gp__> this is the thing with user generated content.. if only we had anonymous usage statistics of applications...
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3792[22:52:53] <gp__> s/generated/written/
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3797[22:53:30] <n4dir> still wouldn't matter much. If all the world uses mocp, i might still prefer xmms2. as an example
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3799[22:53:40] <teraflops> replaced-url
3800[22:53:51] <gkujha> !best windows
3801[22:53:59] <greycat> I want xmms2 to support Opus :-/
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3803[22:55:15] <whjms> i3 represent! replaced-url
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3806[22:55:35] <teraflops> oh I do opus too, it's great for voip, for streaming music, or for storing it
3807[22:56:16] <greycat> I only ripped one CD to Opus, and I also have Vorbises of it, since I can't actually play the Opus files in either of my two primary ways (xmms2 on desktop, hardware player in car)
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3810[22:56:44] <gkujha> o_O
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3813[22:57:20] <teraflops> opus is great for streaming to e.g icecast
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3817[22:59:20] <gkujha> why wavelet based video codecs havent become popular in video streaming? o_O
3818[22:59:57] <gkujha> i can be wrong but shouldnt they allow different bitrates/qualityes with only 1 encoding?
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3823[23:01:35] <teraflops> idk, but I transcode 1080p video to vp9 and the bandwidth is a joke :)
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3825[23:01:47] <gkujha> O_o
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3827[23:02:45] <teraflops> same for opus (audio) the quality/bandwidth ratio is awesome
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3831[23:05:59] <whjms> converting all my music to opus was great, i could fit twice as much music on my phone!
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3834[23:07:04] <teraflops> whjms: since I setup mpd to transcode to opus I just stream my music
3835[23:07:14] <gkujha> o_O
3836[23:07:20] <gkujha> isnt opus for spoken voice mainly?
3837[23:07:26] <greycat> no
3838[23:07:29] <gkujha> ok :o
3839[23:07:41] <whjms> opus has dual and hybrid modes for speech and low bandwidth audio
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3843[23:09:17] <greycat> replaced-url
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3855[23:18:40] <kaosu_> The netinstall does not give me the option to select Budgie as a desktop environment, which is fine. However, when I don't select a desktop environment at all, it defaults to Gnome 3. I would like to only install Budgie and just have it pull in what gnome stuff it needs. Would installing from the DVD allow me to select the Budgie desktop environment during installation? If not my next step will be to just install Debian without any DE at all and just
3856[23:18:40] <kaosu_> install the budgie-desktop package.
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3858[23:20:40] <jmcnaught> kaosu_: the DVD and netinstall are identical for the questions they ask. the only difference is the DVD has more packages on it. Installing without a DE and then installing the packages for your desired DE after the first boot is the way to go
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3860[23:21:17] <kaosu_> jmcnaught, thanks for the quick response.
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3873[23:31:14] <peterrooney> kaosu_ also, if you're _really_ looking to have less packages installed, deborphan is very useful.
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3875[23:32:04] <kaosu_> peterrooney, I assume that will just check for packages that are no longer needed as dependencies and let me keep package bloat to a minimum?
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3877[23:32:38] <kaosu_> peterrooney, I will just Google it and figure it out for myself. Thanks for the tip.
3878[23:32:49] <n4dir> as far i can tell deborphan is usefull *if* you installed packages in the first place, and then removed them (and then want to remove all kind of orphaned stuff)
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3883[23:35:42] <peterrooney> kaosu_: yes, it is more liberal about removable packages than apt's autoremove - it *will* list packages that you have manually added
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3888[23:36:43] <n4dir> manually?
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3892[23:37:41] <kaosu_> That worked quite well. I just installed Debian 9 by only selecting standard utilities and just installing lightdm + budgie-desktop got me where I wanted to be with the fewest packages installed.
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3897[23:40:40] <peterrooney> n4dir: installed directly by apt and friends, as in not installed as a dependency.
3898[23:40:44] <gkujha> backports dont look too hard
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3910[23:48:39] <n4dir> peterrooney: i wouldn't call that manually, but hey.
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3919[23:51:10] <jmcnaught> n4dir: in the context of apt manual, as opposed to packages that were automatically installed as a dependency
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3922[23:52:30] <n4dir> the manpage calls that "manually" ?
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3932[23:54:58] <jmcnaught> n4dir: sorry my sentence wasn't very clear. If you run "apt install foobar" and it installs the barfoo package as a dependency, then foobar is marked manual, barfoo is marked automatic. This is how autoremove works, it removes packages installed automatically that no longer have manually installed packages depending on them
3933[23:55:38] <jhutchins> nascar.com
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3937[23:56:45] <n4dir> got you. tnx. I am wondering what exactly deborphan does differently (which i used for quite a while), but i never could figure it out. lol
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3945[23:59:24] <gkujha> ok i *think* i'll go to debian stable. thx for help guys :o
3946[23:59:36] <gkujha> but one question... how about this Devuan distro?
3947[23:59:48] <n4dir> to put it different: i couldn't figure out why "apt-get autoremove" didn't remove the packages deborphan or deborphan --guess-all listet later.
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