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9[00:04:42] <joepublic> I think I may have found part of the problem. -->"I'm not using visudo"
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15[00:06:33] <joepublic> fwiw the sudoers file should only ever by edited with the command visudo. visudo validates your edits and will not overwrite the sudoers file if it contains errors.
16[00:07:19] <joepublic> why? because if you edit the file manually and introduce a tiny error by accident, you can break sudo and therefore possibly break the system.
17[00:08:27] <joepublic> Bonus tip: If you have never heard of visudo and don't know what that is, your errors will probably not be "tiny".
18[00:08:33] <teus> :o
19[00:08:41] <teus> i never use sudo anyway
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22[00:09:01] <teus> always just go root... for 17 years now? nothing catastrophic so far
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30[00:13:14] <annadane> i kind of like typing su each time rather than getting complacent
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32[00:13:45] * rant dedicates a Phil Collins song to annadane :P
33[00:13:55] <joepublic> sudo people spend a fractionally larger time with the 'tee' command
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40[00:18:22] <Ede|Popede> btw, i run a `sudo tee` on my syslog in screen atm because of that ide2usb adapter problem of mine. sometimes i see it stopped scrolling when i look after it. can't imagine why.
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67[00:38:42] <nornagon> Hi #debian friends! 👋 I'm trying to use snapshot.debian.org to build a reproducible sysroot (for Electron), and I'm hitting fairly regular `Failed to connect to snapshot.debian.org port 443: Connection refused`
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70[00:39:06] <nornagon> Is that normal? Should I just be retrying? Or is there something up with those servers?
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72[00:39:37] <nornagon> and/or is there some other snapshot mirror service I should be using?
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88[00:55:22] <aloo_shu> oh, I'm late to the party, but for me, it's sudoku
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90[00:55:46] <aloo_shu> ,v sgt-puzzles
91[00:55:47] <judd> Package: sgt-puzzles on amd64 -- wheezy: 9411-1; jessie: 20140928.r10274-1; stretch: 20161228.7cae89f-1; buster: 20170606.272beef-1; sid: 20170606.272beef-1
92[00:56:15] <aloo_shu> ^ has one, calles 'solo' there
93[00:56:22] <aloo_shu> *called
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171[01:53:49] <SpeakerToMeat> Greetings all.
172[01:54:07] <gimbleguy> hello
173[01:55:11] <SpeakerToMeat> I'm on Jessie? (9), I opened empathy and lost video signal. Now even if I reboot no signal on X (but Xorg opens without trouble, loads my session and programs)... I'm going to try and move away .gnome and .gnome2 and .gnome2_private one by one see if it resolves... but when I do systemctl stop gdm3 is "stops", status says it's stopped but it's still running.... and if I kill it respawns... any ideas for that
174[01:55:13] <SpeakerToMeat> first step?
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191[02:11:55] <SpeakerToMeat> Ok.... .gnome wasnt it, .gnome2 wasn't it, .gnome2_privae wasn't it
192[02:12:12] <SpeakerToMeat> it looked like .local/shared/gnome-shell was it, but it ended not being it
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202[02:22:23] <annadane> jessie is 8, stretch is 9
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224[02:39:04] <SpeakerToMeat> annadane: Yeah Stretch, thanks
225[02:39:15] <SpeakerToMeat> This is a very very very very very very strange error
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263[03:04:01] <SpeakerToMeat> Ok, it seems I need to choose between glnv and libgl1, glnv seems the newer option, libgl1 and its cohort says legacy..... but many things depend on it like dosbox and python-gl
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288[03:19:47] <__m4ch1n3__> dosbox :D
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291[03:21:39] <SpeakerToMeat> I'm gonna write a neural network AI to solve package dependencies
292[03:21:40] <__m4ch1n3__> SpeakerToMeat, well i tried both libgl's and steam csgo and any other stuff worked on both
293[03:22:14] <__m4ch1n3__> skynet-apt
294[03:22:36] <__m4ch1n3__> skynet-apt search sahra connor
295[03:22:42] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
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305[03:27:24] <__m4ch1n3__> for dos stuff qemu(-kvm) with free dos as guest system could be an option
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308[03:27:45] <__m4ch1n3__> as dosbox replacement
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320[03:37:58] <SpeakerToMeat> My brain hurts
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322[03:38:56] <SpeakerToMeat> __m4ch1n3__: Many stuff breaks
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326[03:41:14] <__m4ch1n3__> not rly, are you sure you are installing all packages?
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328[03:42:15] <__m4ch1n3__> maybe run "update-glx --config glx" after libgl changes
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330[03:43:46] <theteju> Hey guys,
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333[03:44:24] <theteju> I am trying to install Java Platform by adding apt repository,, but getting public key error
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335[03:45:01] <karlpinc> theteju: You may not want to do that.
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337[03:45:10] <karlpinc> !tell theteju about dontbreakdebian
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340[03:45:33] <karlpinc> theteju: Why not just install java from the regular repos?
341[03:45:56] <__m4ch1n3__> you have to import a key for every extern repository but i guess you dont nned that to isnal java
342[03:46:25] <__m4ch1n3__> enable nonfree and contrib
343[03:46:35] <__m4ch1n3__> or use openjdk
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345[03:47:23] <theteju> karlpinc: the software I am trying to get works better with zulu's JAVA platform
346[03:47:48] <theteju> just trying to follow the recommended guidelines.
347[03:48:32] <theteju> replaced-url
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351[03:49:34] <__m4ch1n3__> its exactly there
352[03:49:39] <__m4ch1n3__> your link
353[03:49:42] <__m4ch1n3__> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys 0xB1998361219BD9C9
354[03:50:14] <theteju> yes, I tried, throwing me an error..
355[03:50:36] <karlpinc> theteju: Just so long as you've read the don't break debian page and know what you're getting into. (If you're having trouble following a step-by-step tutorial you might want to reconsider.)
356[03:50:37] <__m4ch1n3__> just read the text on the page
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358[03:51:05] <__m4ch1n3__> what is throwing which error when?
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361[03:52:15] <karlpinc> !errors
362[03:52:15] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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366[03:54:41] <theteju> dpkg : replaced-url
367[03:54:41] <dpkg> theteju: I wish you would RTFM.
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372[03:57:25] <mason> dpkg: Such a naughty bot! Be pleasant.
373[03:57:26] <dpkg> mason: i don't know
374[03:57:58] <theteju> is it possible that the key is for Ubuntu system and not for Debian? :P (sorry for newbie kind of question)
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376[03:58:48] <__m4ch1n3__> do you read the error output?
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378[03:58:53] <__m4ch1n3__> :3
379[03:59:08] <mason> !pastebin
380[03:59:09] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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383[03:59:35] <__m4ch1n3__> sudo apt-get install dirmngr
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385[04:02:28] <theteju> _m4ch1n3: thank you very much
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387[04:04:31] <__m4ch1n3__> however if a package is in debians repository installing it from an external repo is for sure a stupid idea
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391[04:07:31] <__m4ch1n3__> dabian has the biggest and most stable repository of all linux distros i tried out
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512[05:46:49] <nuxil> anyone here doing any development on replaced-url
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519[05:51:59] <annadane> nuxil, you may try asking #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net i guess
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521[05:52:48] <nuxil> i found it to be verry handy if you just want to toss a little img together. however if you do add some custom stuff or change some kernel stuff and it errors during compile. and you fix the error and rerun the script. it will not run unless you delete or move the dir in what you already started on. all the downloads etc.
522[05:53:03] <nuxil> kind of annoying. so i was looking for some help to fix that. :p
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526[05:55:22] <nuxil> #debian-devel is invite only
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530[05:57:46] <annadane> oh, support question. have you tried contacting the people on the github?
531[05:57:54] <annadane> sorry, i guess i'm tired, i should be asleep
532[05:58:23] <nuxil> annadane, looks like i will have to do that.. was just hopeing someone that was contributing to the project was hanging around here.
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777[09:19:33] <wreckluse> im looking for old crunchbang folk. how do i find them
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784[09:22:04] <wreckluse> fir enough
785[09:22:10] <wreckluse> also fair
786[09:22:23] <kmq> is it normal that "reportbug" wants to "send" my configuration file somewhere or am I using it wrong ?
787[09:22:57] <kmq> I would like it to not do that...
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789[09:23:33] <rwp> I think there must be a misunderstanding. Reporting a bug requires submitting it.
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791[09:23:49] <wreckluse> makes sense why it would. makes sense why you wouldnt want it to
792[09:24:00] <rwp> There are various options for transmission. Classically it is emailed but .
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795[09:24:09] <rwp> There are other options available now.
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797[09:25:01] <rwp> kmq, Here is the reference: replaced-url
798[09:25:08] <kmq> rwp I am aware
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800[09:25:46] <wreckluse> lol
801[09:25:53] <rwp> And of course if you don't want to use reportbug or can't (machine is not connected) then it is fine to email a new report the old fashioned way.
802[09:26:31] <kmq> I guess that's what I am doing. I was just surprised that it asked me to send my config file
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805[09:26:49] <kmq> it has passwords in it that I'd rather keep private
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807[09:27:13] <wreckluse> debian wants your passwords
808[09:27:16] <rwp> I think whatever package you are reporting against must have included a template of config files to include.
809[09:27:23] <rwp> What is the package name?
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814[09:29:29] <rwp> The problem I am battling now is that my Sid machine doesn't boot the latest kernel. And/or the initramfs. And/or the init system. Many possible variables.
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816[09:31:17] <rwp> I can boot a much older kernel from last year though. But that isn't completely functional with the newest userland.
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819[09:32:12] <rwp> Well... That will be a problem to debug this weekend I guess. Must sleep now and no time for it tomorrow. Good night all
820[09:32:23] <wreckluse> what are the best off-topic debian/linux/free software channels. im an old user coming back. please be gentle.
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822[09:33:13] <rwp> #debian-offtopic is available
823[09:33:38] <wreckluse> thanks
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845[09:46:11] <mpodien> i want to rsync something between remote A and remote B (and C and D, and G and F) and not be bothered with it. I tried dtach but I think it is suspending the process when I'm detaching. I also need to provide a password (don't ask) so I can't just append '&'. How does one best solve this problem?
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848[09:50:12] <n4dir> detach means you tried screen/tmux already? "don't wanna be bothered" means you simply don't want to see the output, have your terminal prompt back?
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850[09:50:55] <n4dir> to put it different: i just open a separate terminal-emulator on a different destkop, and let it run there, until it's finished.
851[09:51:19] <n4dir> that doesn't bother me.
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869[10:03:12] <kale> i which package is "dig", i would expect it to be in bind9utils
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882[10:18:50] <mpodien> n4dir: problem is it's quite a few very long running processes. anyway, apparently dtach didn't suspend /those/ and apprantly I don't even need dtach and can just do `[Ctrl+Z] bg && disown && exit` or use `nohup`
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885[10:19:44] <n4dir> mpodien: yeah, i assumed i didn't fully understand your question (or even have the answer). Just wanted to get a bit of more info, so other might help.
886[10:19:50] <n4dir> bu you seem to have it sorted.
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889[10:22:20] <jelly> judd: file bin/dig
890[10:22:25] <judd> Search for bin/dig in stretch/amd64: dnsutils: usr/bin/dig; knot-dnsutils: usr/bin/dig
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894[10:22:51] <jelly> kale: dnsutils. Also, knot's variuant in that other one
895[10:22:52] <watchcat> dnsutils
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924[10:47:24] <Iridos> mpodien, maybe have a look at sshpass (and yeah, horrible)
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932[10:52:50] <dexta> moaning all
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938[10:57:51] <gimbleguy> dexta: morning
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988[11:24:29] * dexta hands gimbleguy a fresh coffee
989[11:24:52] <gimbleguy> ty :D
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992[11:25:25] <Denis80> hi there, is it possible to install subj on raid-5 md array, which i create during installation? i try, but failed on grub-install stage
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1002[11:30:17] <incal> how can I purge packs with apt-get when "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." - problem is, when I do just that, it runs into problems with those same packs!
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1005[11:30:56] <incal> I want to get rid of 'sudo apt-get purge libmono\* cli-common mono-runtime'
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1013[11:35:24] <colo-work> I have two very similar Debian Jessie hosts. when issuing `dpkg-reconfigure -p low locales`, one prompts me for the list of locales to generate, and the "Default locale for the system environment". the other one omits the second questions. any ideas what could be the cause for this?
1014[11:35:56] <kale> jelly, watchcat: thanks
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1016[11:36:08] <n4dir> as no one says something: aptitude gives proposals for such situations. Sometimes they help (sometimes not). If it isn't already installed you probably won't be able to in the given situation, incal
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1018[11:37:00] <n4dir> the first question is how you ran in that situation tough, incal .
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1020[11:37:37] <n4dir> !bat
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1042[11:48:49] <incal> m4dir: the computer becomes unresponsive when trying to compile some mono dll. I don't care about mono so I thought I'd just remove all mono stuff so the compilation doesn't have to happen
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1047[11:49:43] <TomyWork> on pre-systemd debian, how do check if a service is enabled?
1048[11:50:25] <TomyWork> incal have you tried lowering the priority of the compilation process?
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1052[11:50:52] <incal> you mean it still works only takes over the whole computer? so I just have to wait?
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1054[11:51:10] <TomyWork> compilation takes up all cores usually
1055[11:51:19] <TomyWork> it parallelizes quite well :)
1056[11:51:57] <incal> ok, I once knew how to do that. nice, right? do you know from the holster how to give it the lowest prio?
1057[11:52:03] <TomyWork> yep
1058[11:52:19] <TomyWork> just use "nice" on its own
1059[11:52:41] <TomyWork> that defaults to 10, which should be halfway towards the minimum prio
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1061[11:53:26] <TomyWork> (disclaimer, priority and niceness both exist as separate process flags, but you want niceness :))
1062[11:53:39] <TomyWork> (tbh i dont even really know what priority is for)
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1064[11:54:22] <n4dir> - /etc/init.d/service_name status ?
1065[11:54:39] <incal> TomyWork: thanks, will try that right now
1066[11:54:45] <TomyWork> n4dir use service, not /etc/init.d
1067[11:54:53] <TomyWork> service service_name status
1068[11:54:53] <incal> TomyWork: how nice of you to help me :)
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1070[11:55:02] <TomyWork> n4dir oh you were responding to me
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1072[11:55:09] <TomyWork> no i meant enabled, not running
1073[11:55:16] <TomyWork> as in, automatically starting on boot
1074[11:55:20] <n4dir> :-) i knew there was a command service_name for it.
1075[11:55:29] <n4dir> TomyWork: i always uses sysv-rc-conf for that.
1076[11:55:45] <TomyWork> i'd have to install that ^^
1077[11:56:00] <TomyWork> i'll feed the output of find /etc/rc* into an oracle
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1079[11:57:02] <TomyWork> looks good :)
1080[11:57:39] <TomyWork> on SLES11 for instance, you can do chkconfig --list | grep service_name
1081[11:58:12] <TomyWork> that'll list the service's on/off state for each runlevel
1082[11:58:25] <TomyWork> i was hoping for a similar command for debian
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1084[11:58:47] <TomyWork> oh well, gonna update to debian 9 soon anyway
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1096[12:04:36] <incal> TomyWork: you were right, did it with nice -n 19 and top, and its %CPU is att 99.7 when left alone
1097[12:04:44] <incal> *at
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1130[12:25:36] <vitaerk> Hi, iam rendering a video on Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 with blender or kdenlive and get error patterns, wrong colors, big pixels on the rendered file
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1132[12:25:51] <vitaerk> with both programs ...
1133[12:25:55] <vitaerk> confusing
1134[12:26:40] <vitaerk> after reboot the same
1135[12:26:53] <bites> which graphics driver?
1136[12:27:05] <vitaerk> starting new video-project .... the same
1137[12:27:25] <vitaerk> Card: NVIDIA GK106 [GeForce GTX 660] bus-ID: 01:00.0
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1139[12:27:42] <vitaerk> drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
1140[12:28:38] <bites> you can try the non-free nvidia-driver and see if that works better. nouveau has issues sometimes.
1141[12:29:10] <vitaerk> ok, how i do that?
1142[12:29:15] <vitaerk> via apt?
1143[12:29:36] <bites> replaced-url
1144[12:30:06] <vitaerk> ok, thank you, ill try it
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1163[12:38:49] <SantaClaus> So. Debian Stretch and PHP 7.3 -- It seems that currently PHP 7.3 cannot be installed due to libc6 and libpcre2-8-0 being the wrong version. Any ideas?
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1167[12:40:00] <bites> if you are mixing stable and testing/unstable the answer is "don't do that".
1168[12:40:26] <bites> use replaced-url
1169[12:40:30] <SantaClaus> Ah it's in unstable. That makes sense
1170[12:40:45] <SantaClaus> I should really comment unstable out
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1184[12:47:51] <vitaerk> bites, cant install nvidia driver ... Error replaced-url
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1189[12:48:58] <vitaerk> unsolved depencies
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1193[12:49:28] <bites> vitaerk: which debian version do you use?
1194[12:49:42] <vitaerk> 9 stretch
1195[12:50:11] <vitaerk> 4.9.0-6-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
1196[12:51:19] <blackflow> vitaerk: enabled non-free for stretch-backports?
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1198[12:52:32] <vitaerk> i added one row in /etc/apt/sources.list dont know if it is enabled now
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1200[12:53:08] <bites> paste your sources.list to paste.debian.net, please.
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1203[12:53:37] <blackflow> vitaerk: and did you run apt update afterwards?
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1205[12:54:16] <vitaerk> replaced-url
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1207[12:55:18] <vitaerk> yes, iam running apt-get update... and replaced-url
1208[12:55:43] <bites> in the third line you have a typo. should be non-free and you are missing contrib in that line.
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1211[12:56:56] <vitaerk> oh yes, sh** i add it now
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1213[12:58:49] <vitaerk> replaced-url
1214[12:59:06] <vitaerk> is that correct?
1215[12:59:10] <bites> looks fine
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1217[12:59:22] <vitaerk> ok, will try it again
1218[13:00:11] <vitaerk> wow, now apt is working, fine. Thank you
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1221[13:01:51] <vitaerk> i reboot now, i give you a feedback
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1233[13:07:16] <vitaerk> reboot is finished, i check the loaded driver
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1235[13:08:09] <vitaerk> running on default one again: drivers: vesa,nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev)
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1239[13:09:45] <vitaerk> NVIDIA 390.87-2~bpo9+1 was installed, but is not in use now...
1240[13:10:21] <bites> when you installed it, did dkms built the module for your kernel without errors?
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1242[13:10:46] <vitaerk> no errors seen
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1246[13:12:36] <bites> does dkms status say something interesting?
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1249[13:14:22] <vitaerk> nvidia-detect says: Grafic card is supported by all driver versions, but i should install nvidia-driver
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1251[13:14:58] <vitaerk> dkms status = nvidia-current, 390.87: added
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1255[13:16:23] <bites> but not installed. weird. try dkms install nvidia-current/390.87
1256[13:16:36] <vitaerk> replaced-url
1257[13:16:38] <blackflow> vitaerk: you sure there aren't errors? checked both the Xorg log and dmesg?
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1265[13:18:51] <vitaerk> blackflow, dmesg shows no errors, xorg log i have not seen
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1270[13:19:36] <blackflow> vitaerk: check for any (EE) entries, or even better pastebin it please.
1271[13:19:43] <vitaerk> kernel headers not found... mmhh
1272[13:20:05] <bites> you need to have headers that match the kernel version you currently run.
1273[13:20:07] <blackflow> ah so no module is actually built?
1274[13:20:16] <vitaerk> replaced-url
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1276[13:20:30] <blackflow> I wonder why -dkms packages do not pull in the kernel headers as dependency. I saw it with zfs-dkms too
1277[13:20:44] <uwjesq> Hello fellas, what is your best practice to set up a firewall? I know about iptables and have used it before but I was wondering if there was a higher level cli tool or if iptables is the way to go.
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1279[13:20:54] <vitaerk> i rebooted, kernel headers was downloaded
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1282[13:21:41] <bites> please paste the output of uname -a; dpkg -l linux-image-* linux-headers-*
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1289[13:22:59] <blackflow> uwjesq: these days I have a custom iptables script, but before that I quite liked shorewall. there's also ubuntu's ufw.
1290[13:23:20] <vitaerk> replaced-url
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1294[13:24:31] <bites> vitaerk: i think you didn't update your kernel for a while. the versions don't match.
1295[13:24:38] <uwjesq> blackflow: So I set up my rules and type *service iptables save* when I am done and I am good?
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1299[13:25:37] <bites> vitaerk: install the latest stable kernel, rebuild the dkms module, then reboot again. i have to go now, good luck.
1300[13:25:55] <vitaerk> ok, thank you
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1302[13:26:30] <vitaerk> will try it
1303[13:26:47] <blackflow> uwjesq: I'm not sure what provides the "iptables service". I use the iptables-persistent package
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1305[13:27:48] <uwjesq> blackflow: I am learning so much. I will check it out immediately. Sounds like it saves the iptables automatically.
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1308[13:29:09] <blackflow> uwjesq: saves from where and what are the config files. with iptables-persistent, that's actually netfilter-persistent package and service, that works by default with /etc/iptables/rules.{v4,v6}
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1312[13:29:34] <blackflow> uwjesq: which package provides your iptables service?
1313[13:30:16] <bites> vitaerk: also, pass --all to dkms when rebuilding the module, otherwise it will still try to build it for the wrong kernel version. or reboot before so you run the correct version.
1314[13:30:42] <vitaerk> ok, thank you for the hint
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1318[13:32:21] <uwjesq> blackflow: I did not try it on the machine yet. I've just researched this line as a starting ponit.
1319[13:32:24] <uwjesq> point
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1328[13:36:02] <blackflow> uwjesq: in that case look into iptables-persistent package. I'm not familiar wiht "iptables service" and which package provides it. iptables-persistent is a module for netfilter-persistent package and service of the same name.
1329[13:36:40] <blackflow> the files it works with, /etc/iptables/rules.{v4,v6} are in iptables dump format (so usable with iptables-save and iptables-restore, directly)
1330[13:37:32] <vitaerk> reboot
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1339[13:40:24] <uwjesq> blackflow: Yeah. iptables-persistent looks nice. I'll give it a try. Thank you very much for helping me out!
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1351[13:47:13] <vitaerk> bites, blackflow ... i did a dist-upgrade and repeated the NVIDIA installation instruction and now i have nvidia driver in use. I reboot again and will see if its persistant
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1361[13:51:51] <SpeakerToMeat> I think by now I rather kill myself than try to fix vidia drivers
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1428[14:21:38] <SpeakerToMeat> What does orange on aptitude mean??
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1432[14:22:47] <petn-randall> SpeakerToMeat: The colour is different for everyone and dependant on what terminal settings you have.
1433[14:23:00] <petn-randall> SpeakerToMeat: It's more helpful if you show us what you're seeing.
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1435[14:23:30] <petn-randall> (color is purely cosmetical in aptitude, all information is also conveyed via letters)
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1438[14:24:10] <SpeakerToMeat> I can't show saddly, no x to capture, it's jsut I'm used to green, red (broken), cyan and white but not orange with black letter
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1445[14:25:44] <petn-randall> downgrade maybe?
1446[14:26:15] <petn-randall> SpeakerToMeat: What are the first few letters in the line of the marked package?
1447[14:26:43] <jelly> SpeakerToMeat: camera phone and upload a "screenshot" to imgur?
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1449[14:27:21] * jelly has not started aptitude UI in years
1450[14:27:35] * petn-randall prepares the upvotes for Russian GTA screenshots.
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1452[14:27:42] <SpeakerToMeat> petn-randall: Trying to install one second
1453[14:28:24] <SpeakerToMeat> Well, it's installing
1454[14:28:26] <SpeakerToMeat> seemingly
1455[14:28:30] <SpeakerToMeat> jelly: What do you use?
1456[14:28:35] <petn-randall> jelly: My day usually starts with opening aptitude on terminal #1.
1457[14:28:36] <jelly> CLI
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1460[14:29:19] <SpeakerToMeat> jelly: aptitude's resolution might be crazy sometimes but I can't imagine resolving deps directly with apt
1461[14:29:45] <SpeakerToMeat> I should update more often....
1462[14:30:04] <SpeakerToMeat> Now pray for me that the new nvidia driver solves the crazy error I developed
1463[14:30:05] <jelly> aptitude's CLI has a CLI interface for picking different choices when there are conflicts and options.
1464[14:31:41] <SpeakerToMeat> Though I'm starting to get worried it's a hardware issue
1465[14:32:09] <SpeakerToMeat> Oh gods... it's downloading jdk8...
1466[14:32:16] <SpeakerToMeat> I'm gonna go have breakfast, see you in while
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1479[14:45:13] <vitaerk> hi, i have upgraded the kernel, installed the nvidia-driver and the nvidia-driver is running. I have still rendering problems :(( replaced-url
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1481[14:45:31] <vitaerk> please help
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1484[14:47:08] <diogenes_> vitaerk, run: inxi -Fxxrz | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
1485[14:47:16] <diogenes_> share the link
1486[14:48:01] <vitaerk> replaced-url
1487[14:48:48] <diogenes_> it's all ansi mess, better run: inxi -Fxxrz and copy/paste from terminal to pastebin
1488[14:49:21] <jelly> or maybe use correct options for that inxi thing not to emit color
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1490[14:49:52] <diogenes_> yep you could try: inxi -Fx | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
1491[14:50:39] <vitaerk> replaced-url
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1493[14:53:20] <diogenes_> vitaerk, and: glxinfo | grep "OpenGL rendere"
1494[14:53:24] <diogenes_> paste here the output
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1497[14:53:43] <vitaerk> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 660/PCIe/SSE2
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1499[14:53:56] <diogenes_> should be fine
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1502[14:54:24] <diogenes_> have you restarted?
1503[14:55:00] <vitaerk> i have rendering problems on kdenlive and blender, its the near the same output. Its confusing, i dont understand that
1504[14:55:11] <vitaerk> -the
1505[14:56:03] <vitaerk> i have rebooted 4times since install
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1509[14:57:43] <diogenes_> vitaerk, i'd suggest to try a different wm, compiz for instance
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1512[15:01:21] <vitaerk> ok, i have installed it apt-get install compiz. How do i run it after boot?
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1523[15:08:45] <diogenes_> vitaerk, first try it with: compiz --replace
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1528[15:10:12] <vitaerk> ok, is xfce usable after that?
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1532[15:10:33] <diogenes_> vitaerk, of course
1533[15:11:03] <vitaerk> ok
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1536[15:12:03] <vitaerk> ok, compiz is running and i render it again
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1538[15:12:27] <diogenes_> vitaerk, are you getting the same issues?
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1540[15:12:53] <vitaerk> its rendering, one minute
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1542[15:13:39] <vitaerk> diogenes_, yes, same problems : (
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1544[15:14:03] <diogenes_> vitaerk, was it the same with nouvea driver?
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1546[15:14:40] <vitaerk> with default driver it was the same
1547[15:14:50] <vitaerk> dont know if it was nouvea
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1550[15:15:21] <diogenes_> hmm have you even gotten a good rendering on that machine previously?
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1556[15:17:33] <vitaerk> one time, if i do a simple project, it worked sometimes. But if i move parts and snips from here to there, cut parts from beginning and move all to the beginning, then the error comes. But on two programs... ?!?
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1558[15:18:41] <vitaerk> maybe defective lib? i dont know. Rendering in other file types shows the same error
1559[15:20:17] <diogenes_> vitaerk, i'd advice you to try on live session of some cutting edge systems like fedora or manjaro and see the result, maybe a newer kernel does a better job
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1567[15:23:19] <vitaerk> diogenes_, if i move nothing, the rendering is ok, i have tested it now
1568[15:24:22] <vitaerk> now i have move it in the timeline and do a new rendering...
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1570[15:24:32] <vitaerk> had
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1574[15:25:31] <vitaerk> ok, rendering still ok... maybe it is after cutting
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1579[15:28:47] <vitaerk> diogenes_, what does cutting edge system mean?
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1583[15:29:15] <diogenes_> vitaerk, a rolling distro that includes all newest packages and newest kernels
1584[15:29:59] <vitaerk> ah ok
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1587[15:31:10] <vitaerk> i had started new project, add three cuts and move something and rendering is now ok ... mhh
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1589[15:31:23] <diogenes_> hehe it got scared
1590[15:31:24] <vitaerk> now i add a title-frame
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1596[15:33:23] <vitaerk> ok, no errors in rendering. Now i do the whole cut for this project and test it again. Maybe the error was saved in the old project file... i dont know
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1599[15:34:24] <vitaerk> i dont know how complex the project has to be, that the errors occur
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1637[15:47:36] <vitaerk> diogenes_, i had added all effects, text to the video project, split a few times, move parts for test. The rendering is still ok. Maybe because compiz is running. I dont now
1638[15:47:53] <diogenes_> vitaerk, could be compiz
1639[15:48:00] <diogenes_> i'm not sure
1640[15:48:09] <vitaerk> ill spend now one hour for the real project and see what happend
1641[15:48:12] <diogenes_> if you wanna make sure, reboot again and try without compiz
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1643[15:49:50] <vitaerk> ok, but first i do the work! i have to be ready with this
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1645[15:50:57] <vitaerk> in compiz i have now window border. No X to close the program ....
1646[15:51:06] <vitaerk> no menu
1647[15:51:26] <diogenes_> vitaerk, if compiz works better then later i will tell you how to configure it
1648[15:51:39] <diogenes_> for now if you wanna close the windows then hit alt+f4
1649[15:51:52] <vitaerk> ok
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1711[16:24:44] <MaxLanar> Hi, I'm trying to shrink / partition doing this : replaced-url
1712[16:24:55] <MaxLanar> I've added 'tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=1G 0 0' in fstab. After reboot I do have a tmpfs /tmp mountpoint of 1G (as listed with df). But my /tmp/tmproot mountpoint is still no more than 494MB (the same as the other tmpfs /sys/fs/cgroup mountpoint).
1713[16:25:04] <MaxLanar> How can I make a tmpfs /tmp/tmproot mountpoint dwell in /tmp (and enjoy the same space as /tmp) ?
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1715[16:25:51] <jelly> MaxLanar: what do you mean by "my" in "my /tmp/tmproot mountpoint", what creates that one?
1716[16:26:26] <MaxLanar> jelly: me with
1717[16:26:30] <jelly> oh, your manual mount command.
1718[16:26:47] <MaxLanar> jelly: me with the manual command yes*
1719[16:26:58] <jelly> so give the same size=1G option to mount
1720[16:27:17] <jelly> mount -t ... -o OPTIONSHERE ...
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1722[16:28:27] <jelly> you can probably also use remount on an existing tmpfs mountpoint.
1723[16:28:28] <MaxLanar> jelly: wonderful, it worked, thanks :)
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1725[16:28:47] <jelly> mount -o remount,SOMEOTHEROPTION /mount/point
1726[16:28:51] <jelly> aight
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1728[16:28:58] <petn-randall> MaxLanar: Note that you can actually shrink filesystems, unless it's XFS. Just make sure to make backups before attempting it.
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1730[16:29:50] <jelly> VERY few filesystem types supports shrinking. It's more an exception than a rule.
1731[16:30:13] <MaxLanar> petn-randall: it's ext4. I do have a recent backup.
1732[16:30:19] <jelly> it's an offline pain in the arse for ext3 and ext4.
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1734[16:30:55] <jelly> and if there's more than 25-50% space used, it's a LOT faster to backup, reformat and restore than do shrinking
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1737[16:31:38] <jelly> I've seen it be literally four times as slow as copying the same amount of data twce.
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1741[16:33:14] <jelly> it's one of those use cases that exist but are better avoided
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1796[16:59:33] <SpeakerToMeat> Lets make bets. When I come back home at night, will my machine be up and working?
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1810[17:03:57] <S3xyL1nux> what is the shortest and fastest way to list files which is accessible for specific user
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1831[17:10:16] <mason> S3xyL1nux: You need to be more specific. Own, can read, and can modify are the three things closest to what you want. The answer, regardless, will involve find(1)
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1841[17:13:47] <S3xyL1nux> mason: nevermind got it ... "find -type d $ \( -user blahblah -perm /u=w $ -o -perm /o=w \)"
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1848[17:14:51] <jelly> S3xyL1nux: it can be more complex if the user has more than one group
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1851[17:15:03] <mason> So, directories, not regular files, and we don't care if group or world write give them access.
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1854[17:15:41] <jelly> even more complex: posix ACLs
1855[17:15:50] <mason> Oh, hadn't even thought of that. :)
1856[17:15:55] <S3xyL1nux> find -type d $ \( -user blahblah -perm /u=w $ -o $ -group blahblah -perm /g=w $ -o -perm /o=w \)
1857[17:16:02] <S3xyL1nux> what about this
1858[17:16:12] <jelly> that's the right direction, yeah
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1864[17:19:03] <vitaerk> oh, a "find" specialist ... ; ) hi S3xyL1nux
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1868[17:21:25] <annadane> stupid question: why is an IP address as shown in 'ip a' different from searching the internet, 'what is my ip address'?
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1871[17:21:56] <tarzeau> annadane: it can be, if you're using NAT
1872[17:22:03] <tarzeau> annadane: or a http proxy
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1875[17:23:10] <JustASlacker> anybody has an idea how to get lognormalizer ?
1876[17:23:18] <JustASlacker> its supposed to be part of rsyslog
1877[17:23:39] <JustASlacker> there is liblognorm as package
1878[17:23:51] <JustASlacker> but it comes without that lognormalizer binary
1879[17:23:55] <n4dir> isn't ip a ; showing the IP in the lan? the other one is the one your router has got for the internet, annadane
1880[17:24:27] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: maybe it's in liblognorm-utils ?
1881[17:24:34] <SpeakerToMeat> I'd guess probably find and perms
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1884[17:24:37] <jelly> annadane: with ipv4, most local networks only use private, RFC1918 specified addresses. The whole network then gets mapped onto a single outbound, public IP. This mapping functionality is called NAT
1885[17:24:52] <tarzeau> n4dir: what if i have a publicly routed ip address?
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1887[17:24:56] <JustASlacker> tarzeau: oh, that sounds helpful
1888[17:25:19] <annadane> i'm just not sure how to find my 'real', external address
1889[17:25:23] <JustASlacker> tarzeau: yay!
1890[17:25:46] <SpeakerToMeat> annadane: those "find my ip address" pages are the normal way
1891[17:25:50] <jelly> annadane: what is "real" depends a lot on why you need it (where it gets used)
1892[17:25:50] <n4dir> annadane: i wouldn't be, but i think you can only get it by using such sites.
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1900[17:27:34] <bites> you can likely find it in your router's management interface.
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1902[17:27:48] <jelly> replaced-url
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1906[17:28:22] <n4dir> /usr/bin/lynx -dump replaced-url
1907[17:28:45] <blackpit> annadane: dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com
1908[17:28:56] <blackpit> that's only one way to do it, there are plenty more
1909[17:29:19] <annadane> now i just need to find out whether it's static or dynamic
1910[17:29:45] <jelly> annadane: if you're not paying for a static assignment, it's dynamic
1911[17:29:45] <bites> depends on the contract with your isp, but most likely not static.
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1913[17:30:02] <jelly> annadane: why do you need to know this?
1914[17:30:07] <jelly> !goal
1915[17:30:07] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
1916[17:30:14] <blackpit> ISPs usually charge extra for static IPs, at least where I live
1917[17:31:49] <annadane> basically i'm trying to install arch in a vm and i've been editing the hosts file and it will not connect to the mirrors, though i think i'm possibly doing other things wrong as well
1918[17:31:50] <vitaerk> annadane, i helped me with a long command
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1921[17:32:14] <vitaerk> annadane, wget --user-agent="Felix - Mixcat Crawler (+replaced-url
1922[17:32:31] <jelly> curious agent.
1923[17:33:03] <vitaerk> --user-Agent you can delete
1924[17:33:06] <jelly> annadane: how does "it" fail to connect?
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1926[17:33:45] <annadane> well i'll tell you in a few minutes, i'd need to restart the install
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1928[17:34:01] <annadane> in any case i was using the address from ip a
1929[17:34:11] <jelly> annadane: aks yourself two thing: does name resolution work in the VM; does network connectivity work in the VM
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1932[17:34:33] <annadane> that's what i was thinking as well, i'm making it out to be more complicated than it is
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1934[17:34:46] <n4dir> also ask yourself: did it work before you edited the hosts file.
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1936[17:35:11] <jelly> you should not need to edit hosts file to access services on internet
1937[17:35:36] <jelly> this is what DNS was invented for
1938[17:36:02] <jhutchins_wk> Another way to find your ip is to log in to a remote server and run who - that will list your apparent addres.
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1945[17:38:02] <peaceguy> hi slack_ :)
1946[17:38:03] <bites> and if it's a vm it can even be behind a second nat.
1947[17:38:05] <peaceguy> hi all :)
1948[17:38:19] <bites> depending on how you configured it.
1949[17:38:23] <peaceguy> i need help connecting 2 pcs using ssh over lan
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1951[17:38:42] <peaceguy> should i use systemctl or service to start the ssh service?
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1953[17:39:55] <vitaerk> i had to make starting scripts for it, because service ssh start needs root previ
1954[17:39:56] <SwedeMike> peaceguy: if you install openssh-server it should be automatically done. Isn't this working for you?
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1960[17:41:30] <peaceguy> i did install it on both pcs
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1962[17:41:44] <jelly> peaceguy: both work. "service" calls systemctl now. But that particular service gets starts automatically at install and at boot time.
1963[17:42:05] <peaceguy> what could go wrong then?
1964[17:42:11] <jelly> !ask
1965[17:42:12] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1966[17:42:29] <peaceguy> i need to use the address that i get using ip addr show right?
1967[17:42:45] <jelly> or a hostname if you have dns working.
1968[17:42:51] <peaceguy> ok
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1970[17:43:04] <peaceguy> i don't see what could go wrong here
1971[17:43:15] <jelly> peaceguy: I don't see what you actually ran.
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1973[17:43:26] <peaceguy> ssh username@ipaddress
1974[17:43:27] <jelly> show the complete command line and the output.
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1977[17:44:06] <jelly> peaceguy: which debian release is present, on ssh client and on ssh server?
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1979[17:44:27] <bites> can they ping each other?
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1981[17:44:39] <peaceguy> wait please i need to test this
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1984[17:45:08] <jelly> five seconds response time, horrible latencies
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1986[17:45:18] <peaceguy> lol :D
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1988[17:46:15] <vitaerk> peaceguy, is it a LAN?
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1990[17:46:25] <peaceguy> permission denied (publickey,password)
1991[17:46:28] <peaceguy> it said
1992[17:46:30] <peaceguy> yes it is
1993[17:46:32] <peaceguy> vitaerk: it is a LAN
1994[17:46:37] <vitaerk> ok
1995[17:46:56] <peaceguy> on client it's debian 9.5
1996[17:47:00] <jelly> peaceguy: that's not all it said. Pastebin the whole command line and output, and avoid changing things if at all possible.
1997[17:47:05] <jelly> !paste
1998[17:47:05] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1999[17:47:27] <peaceguy> ok
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2005[17:48:37] <vitaerk> !wgetpaste
2006[17:48:37] <dpkg> wgetpaste is a CLI application for sending text to a pastebin, its only dependencies are bash and wget. To install and use: wget replaced-url
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2013[17:50:26] <peaceguy> so do you want the whole verbose output?
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2019[17:51:54] <bites> only the odd numbered lines.
2020[17:52:05] <bites> all of it, please :P
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2031[17:57:13] <n4dir> wondering if he types it all manually ...
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2039[18:00:24] <jelly> peaceguy: there's nothing really verbose about your "ssh username@ipaddress" command
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2044[18:03:07] <jelly> peaceguy: show the actual command and its output for startes. If we need additional info to help, including adding a -v to the client options, or to the server, we'll probably ask for it.
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2054[18:11:01] <MaxLanar> Damn, as I said earlier I followed replaced-url
2055[18:11:25] <MaxLanar> of course fuser -mv or lsof are silent
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2058[18:12:36] <MaxLanar> df and mount agree that the original / is unmounted
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2062[18:13:08] <MaxLanar> I think I will reinstall / restore with rsync as jelly said...
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2064[18:14:19] <rwp> MaxLanar, As soon as I saw "shrink" I shrunk away. I once did that on a 600G file system and it ran for 14 days continously. Did finish though.
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2067[18:15:03] <bites> you have more patience than i could ever have.
2068[18:15:32] <jelly> MaxLanar: you can't shrink a mounted filesystem.
2069[18:15:37] <rwp> After I started it I didn't want to stop it out of fear that it would all be lost. It did seem to be making progress. Therefore I let it run.
2070[18:15:42] <MaxLanar> rwp: wow. 14. days. But mine is only 30G with only 2G of data in it.
2071[18:15:47] <n4dir> reminds me of an FreeBSD upgrade i obviously did horribly wrong. Took 56 hours.
2072[18:16:03] <MaxLanar> jelly: it isn't mounted.
2073[18:16:08] <bites> why don't you do the shrinking from a live system?
2074[18:16:22] <MaxLanar> bites: it's a server
2075[18:16:30] <bites> that you don't have access to?
2076[18:16:36] <MaxLanar> access from ssh only
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2078[18:16:46] <jelly> MaxLanar: not even on /oldroot?
2079[18:17:20] <MaxLanar> jelly: no, the 'umount /oldroot' went well
2080[18:17:24] <jelly> MaxLanar: show current "cat /proc/mounts"
2081[18:17:39] <rwp> If I ever do that again I am going to copy off, recreate in the size I want, then copy back. That would have been much better given the amount of time it might take.
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2084[18:18:07] <jelly> MaxLanar: also "lsblk" just for kicks
2085[18:18:11] <rwp> If it is only 2G then copy it off to an SD card, or two for redundancy, and will be a much less stressful operation. :-)
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2087[18:18:37] <baconicsynergy> hello friends :)
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2090[18:19:37] <MaxLanar> jelly: cat /proc/mounts : replaced-url
2091[18:20:42] <MaxLanar> jelly: lsblk : replaced-url
2092[18:20:43] <MaxLanar>
2093[18:21:15] <jelly> MaxLanar: and "lsof -n 1" ?
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2095[18:22:01] <MaxLanar> jelly: lsof: status error on 1: No such file or directory
2096[18:22:10] <jelly> sorry. lsof -np 1
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2100[18:23:31] <MaxLanar> jelly: lsof -np 1 : replaced-url
2101[18:23:34] <jelly> MaxLanar: and is "lsof -n|grep 254,0" empty?
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2103[18:23:58] <MaxLanar> jelly: yes
2104[18:24:17] <jelly> welp, I don't have any other ideas right now
2105[18:24:33] <MaxLanar> jelly: OK, thanks anyway :)
2106[18:24:47] <jelly> it seems you've done things right and they succeeded
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2114[18:26:41] <jelly> last time I tried to pivot_root to tmpfs things went to hell rather quickly, but apparently they _almost_ work now
2115[18:27:25] <jelly> now I don't do things to remote machines without console access.
2116[18:27:33] <rwp> I have not been successful doing that either, even though it seems like it should work.
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2119[18:28:42] <MaxLanar> I could try to add --nofsck --force to the lvreduce call...
2120[18:29:42] <MaxLanar> same result ^^
2121[18:29:50] <jelly> do you want the macihine to be bootable afterwards?
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2125[18:30:24] <MaxLanar> I just wanted to avoid a reinstall/restore
2126[18:31:50] <MaxLanar> But it's a personnal server with no so much stuff setup on it. I guess I could try a reinstall anyway
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2128[18:33:12] <jelly> and there are no lvm snapshots
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2130[18:33:44] <jelly> what kind of provider does not allow you to boot a rescue image and do things?
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2134[18:35:33] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Lots.
2135[18:35:39] <jelly> MaxLanar: is this on DO?
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2137[18:35:43] <jelly> replaced-url
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2140[18:36:06] <jelly> (I'm just making a wild guess based on that VG name)
2141[18:36:13] <MaxLanar> jelly: it turns out it seems I can boot a recovery image...;
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2145[18:37:13] <MaxLanar> (shame on me to assumed I just couldn't)
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2150[18:40:06] <MaxLanar> jelly: (it's not on DO, it's on digicube)
2151[18:40:15] <jelly> it's digisomething!
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2153[18:40:48] <MaxLanar> yes :)
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2160[18:46:30] <MaxLanar> jelly: fuck. It worked. In a blink of an eye. :o
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2162[18:46:53] <mason> !language
2163[18:46:53] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <parrot> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>.
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2166[18:47:14] <mason> Ooh, wrong pedantic reply. Hrm.
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2168[18:49:05] <annadane> hahahaha
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2171[18:50:53] <jelly> dpkg, language ~= s/parrot/kali/
2172[18:50:53] <dpkg> jelly: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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2174[18:51:05] <jelly> dpkg, language =~ s/parrot/kali/
2175[18:51:05] <dpkg> jelly: OK
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2178[18:52:32] <jelly> MaxLanar: is that one of their atom 230 things? How slow is it?
2179[18:53:01] <jelly> mason: unlike ##linux, we don't have a particular language policy in here
2180[18:53:35] <jelly> if you want to python2 noone will stop you
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2184[18:54:15] <MaxLanar> Box rebooted, / indeed correctly shrinked. I turns out I can spend a whole afternoon my computer whearas I just needed to issue a simple command to do what I wanted :)
2185[18:54:23] <jelly> SHRUNK
2186[18:55:30] <mason> shrink, shrank, shrunk
2187[18:55:35] <watchcat> :O
2188[18:55:48] <MaxLanar> jelly: yes atom 230. It's fast enough for what I throw at it atm
2189[18:56:16] <jelly> okay so sometimes it's particular. :-)
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2193[18:56:51] <MaxLanar> yes shrunk, sorry english is not my main language. But thank you for the correction :)
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2195[18:57:20] <mason> MaxLanar: Don't thank us for our pedantry - it is our particular pleasure.
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2197[18:57:31] <jelly> apparently also: shrunken, eg. shrunken heads
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2199[18:57:48] <mason> I shrank away from the shrunken heads.
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2201[18:57:54] <annadane> better than talking heads
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2203[18:58:10] <jelly> some of us might need a shrink
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2207[19:00:03] <xata> Where can i find out sequence of targets runned by dh binary?
2208[19:00:47] <xata> I get that nasty "dh_autoreconf: Can only be run once, see dh-autoreconf(7)" bug
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2211[19:01:37] <bites> dh binary --no-act me thinks.
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2225[19:08:36] <baconicsynergy> I don
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2227[19:08:38] <baconicsynergy> oops
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2230[19:08:56] <baconicsynergy> I don't know what to do now that I've riced my Debian machine to perfection
2231[19:09:16] <baconicsynergy> It's a good kind of boredom. But I feel called to work on something nonetheless
2232[19:09:17] <bites> throw it away, build a new one?
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2234[19:09:18] <purplepod> baconicsynergy, install a gentoo chroot
2235[19:09:27] <baconicsynergy> these are great ideas
2236[19:09:44] <purplepod> just building everything will take you a while, lol
2237[19:10:09] <baconicsynergy> what's the theoretical limit for recursive chroots?
2238[19:10:12] <xata> baconicsynergy, when you are new to linux you don't need games as linux is a game for you
2239[19:10:22] <baconicsynergy> xata, indeed!
2240[19:10:29] <xata> bites, i'll try that, thx
2241[19:10:39] <noln> you can help test debian-next, which should be frozen around early 2019 iirc
2242[19:10:53] <baconicsynergy> yay! excited for Debian 10 <3
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2245[19:11:34] <baconicsynergy> maybe i'll play some nethack!
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2247[19:11:48] <baconicsynergy> its been a long time
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2251[19:13:39] <noln> or test backports, e.g. LO is still buggy at 6.1.3
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2253[19:14:03] <baconicsynergy> where should i report debian bugs again?
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2255[19:14:30] <jelly> !reportbug
2256[19:14:30] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
2257[19:14:44] <baconicsynergy> thanks jelly! thanks dpkg!
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2260[19:15:26] <jelly> thank you, bacon. Thacon.
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2267[19:22:42] <baconicsynergy> damn, I'm falling in love with KDE and GNOME for some reason. Im usually your typical i3 dork but these desktop environments are so well refined. well done to the community, for sure
2268[19:23:02] <mason> baconicsynergy: It's the shadows, isn't it?
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2271[19:23:18] <baconicsynergy> mason, shadows make everything better
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2300[19:42:33] <notmyself> baconicsynergy, you should try Cinnamon, at least in Mint it is very polished
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2303[19:43:17] <annadane> how can i list what i386 packages are installed?
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2309[19:44:16] <notmyself> annadane, i *think* in debian and edrivates you could use "dpkg -l *:i386
2310[19:44:53] <annadane> thanks, yeah
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2359[20:10:05] <bebbet> after dist-upgrade my system is a little... borked.. mariadb-server did not finish upgrading due to /dev/log issues.. any clue?
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2368[20:16:19] <babilen> dpkg: bat
2369[20:16:19] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2372[20:16:50] <babilen> Also relevant mariadb server logs/status (obtained from, for example, systemctl status)
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2382[20:23:19] <SerajewelKS> bebbet: if you have backups, my inclination would be to restore from a backup and try the upgrade again.
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2385[20:26:02] <SerajewelKS> in my experience, once your data is fucked it's much easier to just restore a backup than it is to try to unfuck the data
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2388[20:26:46] <forester> Hi. Where to find settings for disabling touchpad in Mate DE?
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2396[20:34:10] <bebbet> SerajewelKS, i'd love to say i have backups... but you might guess i don't
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2401[20:35:47] <bebbet> replaced-url
2402[20:35:47] <watchcat> forester: you can use dconf-tools to disable it.
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2408[20:39:35] <SerajewelKS> bebbet: i'd definitely be taking a backup now then, in case your attempt to unfuck the data fucks it worse :)
2409[20:40:05] <bebbet> Good advice :)
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2421[20:47:18] <jhutchins_wk> What's the factoid to override the language?
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2423[20:48:17] <SerajewelKS> !lang
2424[20:48:17] <dpkg> $LANG is an environment variable in a user's .profile or .bash_profile which determines which localization is in effect. Typical values for LANG are e.g. en_US,es_ES or de_DE. Programs read it and switch their output to the language specified.
2425[20:48:19] <SerajewelKS> that one?
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2427[20:49:26] <JordiGH> I'm trying to figure out how to turn on query logging for postgres.
2428[20:49:34] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: There's one that mentions setting it temporarily to give english output for commands so we can read them.
2429[20:49:44] <JordiGH> If it were on, the logs would be in /var/log/postgresql, right?
2430[20:49:53] <SerajewelKS> jhutchins_wk: isn't that just "LANG=C command"
2431[20:50:04] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: One would hope so.
2432[20:50:16] <jhutchins_wk> SerajewelKS: Yeah, I think so.
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2435[20:51:07] <bites> !localized errors
2436[20:51:07] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
2437[20:52:49] <jhutchins_wk> bites: That's the one, thanks.
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2459[21:02:54] <meinHeld> hellllllllllllp!
2460[21:03:08] <meinHeld> after years, it seems i have finally broken my OS again
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2462[21:03:32] <meinHeld> i have crunchbang++ but it's based entirely on debian repos i'm told, i think
2463[21:04:01] <meinHeld> i had an internet connection go down and up and down again while synaptic was updating hundreds of packages
2464[21:04:29] <meinHeld> but it may have been malicious too, as i'm not sure why synaptic would ever be told to uninstall systemd ...
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2473[21:07:02] <meinHeld> the latest thing is that after going through the page that has choices of os's (i've got two #!++'s installed), it tries to run-init and can't
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2475[21:08:35] <forester> watchcat: Thank you. I have downloaded it and tryed to disable. I suppose it will be disabled after reboot. But now there is compilation. After that I will try reboot.
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2479[21:09:04] <meinHeld> then it's all "/bin/sh: 0: can't access tty
2480[21:09:16] <forester> watchcat: I compile custom real time linux-libre kernel
2481[21:09:27] <bunn> Hi hi everyone
2482[21:09:48] <forester> hi
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2486[21:10:43] <SerajewelKS> meinHeld: i'd ask their support, but my guess is an upgrade gone wrong
2487[21:10:45] <meinHeld> hi
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2489[21:10:50] <watchcat> mm. debian kernels are libre enough for me.
2490[21:10:55] <SerajewelKS> unlikely to be malicious, more likely to be bug or user error
2491[21:11:05] <meinHeld> me too SerajewelKS
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2493[21:11:18] <SerajewelKS> were you upgrading to a new release?
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2497[21:12:11] <bunn> I kinda wonder, is it viable compile your code on gcc 7 or 8 on Stretch, or would that result in a Frankendebian situation?
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2499[21:12:46] <bunn> Someone I know is going to use C++17 in his code, and I want to be able to compile what he makes ^-^;
2500[21:12:55] <SerajewelKS> bunn: as long as it's not a kernel or kernel module
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2502[21:14:03] <meinHeld> i honesty dunno, SerajewelKS
2503[21:14:11] <bunn> SerajewelKS: I'm not sure how you'd do that..
2504[21:14:47] <SerajewelKS> bunn: i don't know what you mean
2505[21:14:58] <meinHeld> i had an old crunchbangplusplus based on deb 8. all of a sudden synaptic wants to upgrade like, hundreds and hundreds of packages. but my internet connection went down/up/down/up...
2506[21:14:58] <bunn> oh..
2507[21:15:05] <meinHeld> just a comedy of errors
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2509[21:15:37] <SerajewelKS> meinHeld: internet connection should not be terribly relevant. either it got the packages or it didn't, and they are verified against the checksums in the package lists.
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2511[21:15:49] <bunn> SerajewelKS: I guess what I'm asking is how you'd use gcc 7 or 8 without causing trouble.
2512[21:15:49] <meinHeld> that's what i would think
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2514[21:16:33] <SerajewelKS> bunn: like i said, as long as you're not compiling the kernel or modules for the kernel, it's fine
2515[21:16:43] <bunn> alright that sounds good ^-^ thank you
2516[21:16:45] <meinHeld> well i suppose it could have been malicious. all i know is there were all of a sudden critical packages broken. i would apt-get --fix-broken install but then more would happen, upgrades(?), then broken stuff again
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2518[21:16:56] <meinHeld> last i know it wanted to remove systemd?
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2520[21:17:15] <meinHeld> i'm still a noob really i don't know all this too deep. i sort of hack and feel things out
2521[21:18:09] <SerajewelKS> bunn: and the scripts that do that (dkms) should look for the specific gcc version
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2524[21:18:27] <SerajewelKS> bunn: it's more relevant _how_ you're installing gcc 7 or 8, actually
2525[21:18:38] <bunn> yes that's what I need help with..
2526[21:19:17] <meinHeld> i'll let you help him and i hope you can then help me, or...somebody?
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2529[21:19:53] <bunn> there's no rush, don't worry
2530[21:20:08] <SerajewelKS> bunn: you can try to backport gcc 7 or 8 from testing. just don't install the binary debs directly from testing or you get frankendebian.
2531[21:20:19] <bunn> I don't wanna get frankendebian ><
2532[21:20:27] <SerajewelKS> that's why you backport
2533[21:20:34] <SerajewelKS> !simple sid backport
2534[21:20:34] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2536[21:20:52] <SerajewelKS> the trick is going to be whether stable has the build-dependencies
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2540[21:21:24] <SerajewelKS> meinHeld: what is the output of 'apt-get -sf install' ?
2541[21:21:35] <meinHeld> w/o sudo?
2542[21:21:41] <SerajewelKS> with sudo
2543[21:21:42] <meinHeld> or actually doesn't matter
2544[21:22:17] <SerajewelKS> !paste
2545[21:22:17] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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2549[21:23:26] <meinHeld> hmm unable to resolve host. i think my network adapter's not working either (just a basic terminal, or not even terminal per se as it says can't access tty)
2550[21:23:33] <bites> use debootstrap and chroot to create a build environment. then you can just start over if you get into dependency hell.
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2552[21:24:02] <meinHeld> who, bites?
2553[21:24:16] <bites> bunn
2554[21:24:21] <bunn> mhm?
2555[21:24:22] <meinHeld> thought so thx
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2557[21:25:07] <SerajewelKS> meinHeld: it sounds like the box may already be hosed. you may need to inspect it from another environment (e.g. the installer in rescue mode) to figure out what's going on.
2558[21:25:16] <bunn> oh that was for me heh
2559[21:25:25] <SerajewelKS> worst case scenario, you need to reinstall the system
2560[21:26:03] <bunn> bites, why would using a higher version of gcc cause a dependency hell?
2561[21:26:19] <meinHeld> hmm it can login patrick (me), and i want to upgr to #!++ 9 anyway, or even 10 if that's out, so i just need to save some files. hopefully rsync or just cp works
2562[21:26:38] <meinHeld> (so yes reinstall)
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2565[21:27:07] <SerajewelKS> you could restore those files from your backups, too
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2567[21:27:22] <bites> bunn: mixing releases can. that's what a frankendebian is. but it doesn't matter if it's a throwaway build environment.
2568[21:27:34] <bunn> oh, right
2569[21:27:45] <bunn> are chroots commonly used for building?
2570[21:27:52] <SerajewelKS> right but you still want stretch in the chroot
2571[21:28:03] <SerajewelKS> if you put buster in the chroot then you're building for buster, and you'd still have frankendebian
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2573[21:28:10] <bunn> that'd be bad..
2574[21:28:34] <bites> yes, chroots are common for that purpose.
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2576[21:29:03] <bunn> thanks for pointing me in the right direction bites and Sera!
2577[21:29:21] <SerajewelKS> good luck
2578[21:29:33] <bunn> thankya
2579[21:29:36] <SerajewelKS> side note: it's probably not going to be easy... if it were, gcc 7 or 8 would be in stretch-backports
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2581[21:29:42] <bunn> ...oh
2582[21:29:55] <meinHeld> Sera, ummm, what did you mean my backups? haha i'm living on the edge. i have some stuff that's not on my dropbox
2583[21:29:57] <bunn> I may be biting off more than I can chew in that case
2584[21:29:59] <SerajewelKS> you might have better luck building it from source and installing it somewhere in /opt
2585[21:30:11] <SerajewelKS> meinHeld: well let this be a lesson... start backing up :)
2586[21:30:21] <bunn> Do you still need a chroot if you build it from source?
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2588[21:30:33] <SerajewelKS> _probably_ not
2589[21:30:39] <bunn> hmm~
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2591[21:30:48] <SerajewelKS> not a bad idea still, though
2592[21:31:04] <meinHeld> yeah i just had just let it go for awhile. thanks SerajewelKS
2593[21:31:06] <bunn> All of these are good ideas if I knew what I was doing ^-^;
2594[21:31:08] <SerajewelKS> if you give up you can rm -fr the chroot instead of trying to figure out what dev packages you installed to remove them
2595[21:31:16] <bunn> ah
2596[21:31:34] <SerajewelKS> meinHeld: np. your best bet is to boot some other media like the installer, or a live cd, and get the files off that way.
2597[21:32:26] <SerajewelKS> sometimes if i'm developing something with complex dependencies, i use a chroot too
2598[21:32:27] <meinHeld> ah i was wondering if i could do that. i'll make a boot stick god willing. this has been quite the fall down the mountain...
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2600[21:32:44] <bunn> i need to learn about those then
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2602[21:33:21] <SerajewelKS> !debootstrap
2603[21:33:21] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
2604[21:33:23] <SerajewelKS> bunn: ^
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2606[21:34:15] <bunn> thank you
2607[21:34:31] <SerajewelKS> np
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2612[21:35:04] <n4dir> bunn: it looks a bit intimidating at first, but it sure is something you can do (the debootstrap/chroot part).
2613[21:35:16] <SerajewelKS> yeah it sounds scarier than it is
2614[21:35:19] <bunn> thanks for the encouragement <3
2615[21:35:23] <SerajewelKS> it's literally two commands
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2617[21:35:39] <bunn> All of Linux stuff is daunting, the thing I'm proudest of so far is setting up gitbun.com on debian ^-^
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2619[21:35:48] <n4dir> when i first saw it i thought: oh my god, impossible. But if you do it, it really is not that difficult (rather easy).
2620[21:35:57] <bunn> that is good to know
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2623[21:36:47] <SerajewelKS> bunn: nice. i run gogs, too.
2624[21:36:48] <wwilliam> How do I set vi in debian Stretch to show me when i am in insert mode?
2625[21:36:54] <wwilliam> Thank you.
2626[21:37:01] <bunn> SerajewelKS: it is so light!
2627[21:37:12] <SerajewelKS> wwilliam: i would think you probably need to uninstall vim-tiny and install vim
2628[21:37:25] <wwilliam> Ok thank you.
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2632[21:40:40] <bunn> I've heard that GitLab takes a whole lot to run
2633[21:40:45] <bunn> It looks pretty but...
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2639[21:42:10] <nkuttler> i didn't like gitlab.. it didn't make repo management easier, i don't want to learn a new ci and ticket system, and don't want a single tool that does everything
2640[21:42:26] <bunn> that makes sense
2641[21:42:46] <nkuttler> the resources were okish. i mean, it's a ruby app, needs a db, etc
2642[21:42:57] <bunn> I like hosted gitlab in terms of it being an alternative to github
2643[21:43:16] <bunn> gogs/gitea is go and it seems to work well this
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2645[21:43:20] <nkuttler> yeah, we self-hosted, as a service it's ok i guess
2646[21:43:36] <bunn> *well for this
2647[21:43:49] <SerajewelKS> for personal stuff i like gogs. i don't need separate everything. having an integrated issue tracker is nice.
2648[21:43:52] <SerajewelKS> but i don't need PRs at all
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2651[21:45:15] <bunn> I'm not sure what the differences between gogs and gitea are at this point
2652[21:45:38] <SerajewelKS> i hadn't heard of gitea until you mentioned it
2653[21:46:07] <bunn> It's a fork of gogs when the main developer of gogs defended being unresponsive
2654[21:46:19] <bunn> I chose it just because it has a mobile layout and gogs didn't at least at the time :p
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2659[21:48:36] <SerajewelKS> reminds me of owncloud vs nextcloud
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2661[21:49:42] <bunn> The gogs author didn't see the fork as a bad thing
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2668[21:51:48] <bunn> Hi ehat je hallrbjtn guys
2669[21:51:55] <bunn> Whoops
2670[21:52:01] <bunn> I was testing something haha
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2672[21:52:22] <bunn> I love messing up on IRC without being able to remove my messages like on Discord x.x
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2699[22:17:08] <peaceguy> hi pikudoz :)
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2713[22:28:06] <pikudoz> yo peaceguy
2714[22:28:19] <peaceguy> hi :)
2715[22:28:43] <peaceguy> :D
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2718[22:28:49] <peaceguy> hi bebbet
2719[22:28:53] <pikudoz> running armbian on pine64
2720[22:28:53] <peaceguy> hi asterismo_l
2721[22:28:58] <peaceguy> that's cool :)
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2723[22:29:14] <peaceguy> i run debian 9.5 on my desktop and laptop
2724[22:29:15] <peaceguy> hi mavhc
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2727[22:29:51] <peaceguy> hi fundatillus
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2729[22:30:01] <fundatillus> Hi peaceguy
2730[22:30:03] <peaceguy> :)
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2737[22:33:44] <peaceguy> hi gst568923 :)
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2739[22:33:52] <peaceguy> hi oty :)
2740[22:33:55] <gst568923> hi peaceguy
2741[22:34:00] <peaceguy> hi gst568923 :)
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2743[22:34:04] <gst568923> hi guys I should install Legrand UPSMAN for Linux, I have extracted upscomm_1.28.tar.gz but when I run sudo ./install ,terminal show me "sudo: unable to execute ./install: No such file or directory"
2744[22:34:22] <gst568923> the link of file is : replaced-url
2745[22:34:27] <Ede|Popede> gst568923: is it +x?
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2748[22:34:53] <gst568923> Ede|Popede Permessi: -rwxr-x--- 750
2749[22:35:04] <fundatillus> gst568923 You can also try `sudo sh install`
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2753[22:35:45] <gst568923> sudo sh install return me: install: 1: install: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
2754[22:35:57] <peaceguy> bash maybe
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2756[22:36:25] <gst568923> peaceguy sudo bash install ?
2757[22:36:59] <Ede|Popede> what does `file install` say?
2758[22:37:09] <peaceguy> yes maybe gst568923
2759[22:37:21] <peaceguy> maybe it's in bash
2760[22:37:39] <gst568923> Ede|Popede install: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, stripped
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2762[22:38:08] <Ede|Popede> so it isn't a script, but a binary
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2764[22:38:26] <Ede|Popede> 32-bit, your system is 64-bit i suppose?
2765[22:38:44] <gst568923> Ede|Popede Yes my system is debian amd64
2766[22:39:09] <Ede|Popede> i remember i had to install tons of dependencies for skype years ago
2767[22:39:11] <gst568923> Ede|Popede can I install it (32bit) on amd64?
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2774[22:41:02] <Ede|Popede> this may help replaced-url
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2781[22:42:34] <meinHeld> so i'm on a library computer; anyone know of a way to make a boot stick without having to install software? i have the .iso.
2782[22:42:53] <watchcat> gst568923: first dpkg --add-architecture i386, then apt update, then you can install 32bit stuff.
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2784[22:43:55] <Ede|Popede> meinHeld: you mean a live debian? then you can dd or even cp it to the stick
2785[22:44:13] <meinHeld> sorry i'm on a library computer and they have winblows
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2787[22:44:24] <Ede|Popede> (by cp i mean to the *device*, not the fs)
2788[22:44:35] <gst568923> watchcat should I exceute this command also if I install binary without package manager?
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2790[22:45:21] <watchcat> gst568923: yes, if it's 32bit binary.
2791[22:46:11] <meinHeld> Ede|Popede: yeah i'm on a library computer and they have winblows
2792[22:46:21] <meinHeld> windows hehe
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2795[22:46:46] <Ede|Popede> meinHeld: i don't suppose windows has something really equivalent or that you can run your own software?
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2798[22:47:40] <meinHeld> this library computer is locked down pretty hard. no command line and i have to call tech in order to have them install rufus
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2800[22:47:48] <meinHeld> i guess i'll do that, Ede|Popede
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2803[22:48:20] <Ede|Popede> found some progs mentioned here replaced-url
2804[22:48:32] <n4dir> portable rufus doesn't work too?
2805[22:48:33] <Ede|Popede> including the tip to install the real GNU dd ;)
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2809[22:49:37] <gst568923> watchcat I have run sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 and sudo apt-get update [OK]
2810[22:50:05] <gst568923> watchcat but when I run sudo ./install return me sudo: unable to execute ./install: No such file or directory
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2812[22:50:47] <Ede|Popede> gst568923: does it belong to root? (tho not sure if relevant)
2813[22:51:30] <meinHeld> n4dir i tried to use rufus but it wants to install. unless "portable rufus" is a thing diff from rufus
2814[22:51:38] <Ede|Popede> ok, not necessary
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2816[22:52:01] <n4dir> portable means that it doesn't need to be installed (but as far i can tell even that can be restricted )
2817[22:52:03] <Ede|Popede> meinHeld: there are a lot of "portable" tools, you can run them from y stic
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2819[22:52:24] <n4dir> so worth a try, but i wouldn't hold my breath hold
2820[22:52:31] <gst568923> Uploaded file: replaced-url
2821[22:52:36] <gst568923> Ede|Popede the readme is:
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2825[22:54:12] <meinHeld> garrr n4dir you were just about to be my new dad and everything. oh well time to get tech on the phone again haha
2826[22:54:21] <watchcat> gst568923: that will only work if it's an exectable in the current directory. if it's a .deb package use dpkg -i ./packagename.deb
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2828[22:55:27] <watchcat> executable*
2829[22:55:40] <meinHeld> Ede|Popede: you are in Stuttgart? i know little german and that is where my ancestors are from. prost :]
2830[22:55:51] <gst568923> watchcat it's a executable not deb
2831[22:56:20] <Ede|Popede> gst568923: nope, but prost is always welcome :)
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2833[22:56:35] <watchcat> if it's an install scipt, make sure to give it executable flag.
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2835[22:56:46] <meinHeld> it was me actually Ede|Popede
2836[22:56:59] <Ede|Popede> meinHeld: oops xD
2837[22:57:07] <Ede|Popede> then prost, meinHeld ;)
2838[22:57:07] <meinHeld> i was just messing around with whois
2839[22:57:12] <meinHeld> prost :D
2840[22:57:38] <Ede|Popede> my multitasking is somehow disturbed today :(
2841[22:57:56] <xedniv> is there a way to install gcc-8 on stretch from packages?
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2848[23:00:40] <watchcat> gst568923: as in: chmod +x <filename>
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2878[23:16:28] <xedniv> why is grub built with Build-Conflicts: autoconf2.13, libzfs-dev, libnvpair-dev?
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2880[23:16:37] <xedniv> does the debian tree conflict with libzfs?
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2883[23:19:25] <RoyK> xedniv: never seen that before - only been using zfs on some few machines the latest 2-3 years, though
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2887[23:19:48] <xedniv> im porting the current debian testing sources for grub to proxmox which runs stretch
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2889[23:19:59] <xedniv> and surely libzfs is needed for the configure to pickup the extras for it
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2897[23:26:15] <velix> Funny, don't we have a debian example for this? :D replaced-url
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