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• 11[00:11:14] <KindaNoob> hm, I delete ATTR{dev_id} from both strings from udev rules and now it works
• 12[00:12:18] <KindaNoob> but on loading system I see ERROR message about failing to raise network.service
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• 15[00:14:20] <litheum> howdy, i'm trying to assign a static 169.254.0.0/16 address to an interface (raspbian stretch) but dhcpcd doesn't seem to want to cooperate. is this known to not work? i've seen a couple forum posts with similar issues but i haven't found a resolution yet
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• 25[00:17:27] <KindaNoob> And it all because this network card. It already raised, so ifup gets "File exists"
• 26[00:17:54] <KindaNoob> And returns "Failed to start Raise network interfaces"
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• 29[00:19:04] <KindaNoob> And I can't ifdown it
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• 57[00:38:54] <mandeep> my apt sources look like this: replaced-url
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• 59[00:39:11] <mandeep> but for some reason i can't upgrade to this package replaced-url
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• 61[00:39:28] <abrotman> what command did you use?
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• 64[00:39:45] <mandeep> abrotman: apt update then apt list upgradable
• 65[00:40:07] <abrotman> you have to explicitly install from backports
• 66[00:40:25] <abrotman> apt-get -t stretch-backports install foo
• 67[00:40:38] <mandeep> hmm even with backports in sources?
• 68[00:40:42] <abrotman> yes
• 69[00:40:56] <abrotman> replaced-url
• 70[00:41:14] <mandeep> abrotman: oops
• 71[00:41:24] <mandeep> thanks
• 72[00:44:21] <cthulchu> folks, is it possible to make certificate auth via ssh optional?
• 73[00:44:34] <cthulchu> like if I have certificate, I auth with it and if no - login/pwd
• 74[00:44:48] <cthulchu> for the same user that is
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• 76[00:46:08] <trysten> How can I force the permissions of a filesystem? I have a dd image that I must access from non-root user. mount -o uid=1001,umask=0000 is not working
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• 78[00:47:07] <AliceKelly> im completly confused
• 79[00:48:01] <AliceKelly> all i did was kill -9 -1 to kill the failing x server and use startx instead of x or xorg and it runs
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• 81[00:48:17] <AliceKelly> dont understand why that works
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• 84[00:50:31] <AliceKelly> i know what i did now, just dont know why
• 85[00:51:45] <litheum> cthulchu: look around in sshd_config and at the sshd_config man page to see if you can turn up anything that helps
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• 88[00:52:53] <AliceKelly> is it possible that something is set to auto run that interferes with x ?
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• 95[00:55:14] <AliceKelly> is it init.d that has things one wants auto loaded ?
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• 97[00:55:55] <litheum> AliceKelly: these days it's probably systemd you'll have to wrestle with
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• 101[00:56:30] <AliceKelly> thank you litheum
• 102[00:59:59] <trysten> my understanding is that mount dev.dd -o uid=1001,umask=0000 /mnt/mountpoint should set the permission for the entire filesystem
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• 108[01:00:42] <trysten> but it doesn't. security is not an issue here, i'm trying to access a recovered image, so any changes are out of the question
• 109[01:00:59] <trysten> there should be a way to mount something with 777 permissions or something rediclous like that
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• 113[01:05:12] <litheum> trysten: many filesystems support a mode= option that does what you're asking. mode=0777 for example
• 114[01:05:42] <litheum> s/many/some/? i'm not too sure
• 115[01:06:14] <petn-randall> trysten: What filesystem is this?
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• 133[01:16:39] <t3st3r> AliceKelly> I guess you may want to try to read logs after failed x startup attempts. It could help to get the idea on what goes wrong with x.
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• 135[01:18:16] <nekoseam> I wish Debian allowed you to change the shell during the install
• 136[01:19:36] <AliceKelly> t3st3r: i went over Xorg.0.log but either i dont have the expertise to recognize what went wrong or there werent any errors
• 137[01:19:44] <AliceKelly> nothing marked EE
• 138[01:19:44] <t3st3r> also reading dmesg and somesuch could eventually give insight on GPU-related stuff (e.g. possibly GPU driver failing on kernel side, etc)
• 139[01:20:07] <Brigo> nekoseam, fill a wishlist bug against the installer :)
• 140[01:20:10] <AliceKelly> dmest | less showed nothing to
• 141[01:20:27] <AliceKelly> went over lspci
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• 144[01:21:17] <AliceKelly> is there a difference between startx and Xorg commands ?
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• 146[01:21:43] <t3st3r> its dmesg, not dmest and it normally displays plenty of text. Looking around place where GPU starts up could give some ideas in some cases.
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• 148[01:21:53] <AliceKelly> bad typing
• 149[01:22:05] <t3st3r> Somehow I thought x would do more or less the same things in both cases, but I could be wrong on that.
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• 152[01:23:27] <t3st3r> X does plenty of stuff on being smart and I could miss something. Furthermore, failed start -> kill -9 -> restart does not necessarily equals to cold start.
• 153[01:24:55] <AliceKelly> it doesnt fail. it starts and the screen only shows lines on one side
• 154[01:25:24] <AliceKelly> i have to kill the process to restart it or else the logs stay locked
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• 159[01:28:43] <t3st3r> lines... hmm lines of text? Some graphic glitch? Or ... ?
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• 161[01:29:07] <t3st3r> (well when it comes to graphics hell a lot of things can go wrong)
• 162[01:29:23] <AliceKelly> horizontal grey lines on white background only on left side
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• 164[01:29:45] <cef> AliceKelly: is there anything on the right side at all when that happens?
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• 166[01:29:53] <AliceKelly> but the mouse cursor is fine . which makes me stupified
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• 170[01:30:23] <AliceKelly> cef: just white on right
• 171[01:30:25] <t3st3r> that sounds suspicious - like if graphic didn't fully initialized or so
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• 174[01:31:01] <cef> AliceKelly: Do you start X manually or do you use a *dm (eg: gdm) to log in with?
• 175[01:31:12] <dodobrain> hi all, is there a scripted method to install the latest firefox stable?
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• 177[01:31:41] <AliceKelly> cef: it starts from a init script
• 178[01:31:50] <dodobrain> replaced-url
• 179[01:31:52] <t3st3r> hmm... if cursor is fine then graphic is more or less alive
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• 181[01:32:18] <cef> AliceKelly: so normally you get a graphical login screen?
• 182[01:32:24] <AliceKelly> t3st3r: thats what gets me i cant be refresh if the cursor is fine
• 183[01:33:06] <AliceKelly> cef: no i login from cli
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• 185[01:33:40] <cef> AliceKelly: ok.. so you log in from cli and you're running stuff in the shell to start X for you, yes?
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• 187[01:33:51] <AliceKelly> cef: ive been stopping it from going strait to x and starting manualy
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• 189[01:34:26] <cef> AliceKelly: and by 'running stuff int he shell' I mean it's like in .bash_login or something
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• 192[01:35:05] <AliceKelly> cef: right, if i let it do it on its own it does lines. its running but theres nothing there but lines. if i stop it and kill process it starts fine
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• 196[01:35:43] <AliceKelly> thats what im thinking
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• 198[01:36:33] <AliceKelly> im still a newb so a little blind. i know a few basics. im thinking to nano system.d or init.d
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• 200[01:37:14] <cef> AliceKelly: as a test, tried putting a `sleep x` (where x is the number of seconds to sleep) in front of it in your login script to see if that helps?
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• 202[01:39:04] <cef> AliceKelly: first place I'd be looking is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if anything jumps out at you.
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• 204[01:40:12] <AliceKelly> cef: i been over Xorg.0.log only thing i see interesting is it loads both radeon and ati..
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• 207[01:41:11] <AliceKelly> heres an interesting point though. if i exit tiuser mode, i get EE no screens
• 208[01:41:38] <cef> AliceKelly: that's fairly normal (radeon & ati). This is a laptop?
• 209[01:41:43] <AliceKelly> but in root kill -9 -1 and startx and it pops right up
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• 211[01:42:25] <cef> AliceKelly: so wait.. when it works are you running startx as root, or just the kill?
• 212[01:42:28] <AliceKelly> cef: yes pretty old. but when its running it runs great
• 213[01:42:43] <AliceKelly> cef: only as root
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• 215[01:43:29] <AliceKelly> so that you follow ill type out what i do
• 216[01:43:51] <AliceKelly> cef: alice $ startx
• 217[01:44:07] <AliceKelly> cef: alice$ EE no screens
• 218[01:44:23] <AliceKelly> cef: alice$ su
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• 220[01:44:31] <AliceKelly> alice#
• 221[01:44:46] <AliceKelly> cef: alice# kill -9 -1
• 222[01:44:50] <cef> yup
• 223[01:45:04] <AliceKelly> cef: alice# startx
• 224[01:45:09] <AliceKelly> runs fine
• 225[01:45:38] <cef> right, so it works fine when you startx as root, but not as alice (you're not exiting the root shell before running startx again)
• 226[01:46:18] <AliceKelly> cef: correct, but if i exit i get alice$ EE no screens
• 227[01:47:26] <AliceKelly> cef: user not in proper groups ?
• 228[01:49:04] <AliceKelly> sorry im such a pain in the ass
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• 230[01:49:49] <LtL> AliceKelly: do you have a ~/.Xauthority file?
• 231[01:50:05] <AliceKelly> LtL: yes
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• 233[01:50:10] <LtL> hrm
• 234[01:50:18] <AliceKelly> LtL: but its completly blank
• 235[01:50:33] <craftyguy> is there a magic dpkg option to disable the prompt that comes up when attempting to upgrade a kernel with 'dpkg -i' ?
• 236[01:50:59] <cef> AliceKelly: does the login script you use come from the gentoo wiki by any chance?
• 237[01:51:20] <AliceKelly> youll hate me but, no knoppix
• 238[01:51:42] <cef> AliceKelly: does it contain `unset -v HOME` as the first line?
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• 241[01:52:19] <AliceKelly> ill have to go through them. grep right
• 242[01:52:50] <cef> AliceKelly: yup.. if so, I've seen someone else that found that no longer worked and needed to be `set -v HOME` instead
• 243[01:53:05] <nekoseam> OwO
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• 245[01:54:10] <cef> AliceKelly: actually maybe just comment out the line if you find it.
• 246[01:54:24] <AliceKelly> cef: thank you ill get on a grep for a couple hours.
• 247[01:54:31] <AliceKelly> lol
• 248[01:54:47] <cef> AliceKelly: you can always just use `less filename` if it's not large
• 249[01:55:10] <AliceKelly> cef: got to find which one has it first
• 250[01:55:16] <cef> or pastebin the script (if there's no passwords or credentials in it)
• 251[01:55:21] <Akuw> i am using this ---> find . -name 'file1' -exec echo 'ss' {} \; but it doesn't work
• 252[01:55:37] <Akuw> don put ss in all files
• 253[01:55:39] <cef> AliceKelly: .bash_profile perhaps?
• 254[01:55:54] <AliceKelly> cef: i will check
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• 259[01:57:30] <Sveta> what is the web site where I can see what prevents a package from debian experimental from entering testing or stable?
• 260[01:58:18] <cef> Sveta: replaced-url
• 261[01:58:24] <Akuw> that only create a file with {} name
• 262[01:58:52] <cef> Akuw: put "" around the whole echo command, and '' around the {}
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• 264[01:59:35] <abrotman> Sveta: packages don't flow from experimental to unstable
• 265[01:59:42] <cef> Akuw: are you trying to insert 'ss' into every file? or just echo 'ss filename' ?
• 266[01:59:46] <abrotman> dpkg: why is foo not in testing
• 267[01:59:46] <dpkg> foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 269[02:00:11] <Akuw> i am trying to inset ss in each file
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• 278[02:02:41] <Akuw> cef you suggestion doesn't work
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• 280[02:03:06] <Akuw> find . -name 'file*' -exec "echo ss" > '{}' \;
• 281[02:03:35] <Akuw> or you mean including redirection in "" ?
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• 283[02:05:43] <cef> Akuw: you want ss to replace the file, or to be added to the file?
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• 287[02:06:45] <cef> shell redirection with find is weird.. and you need to start a shell in the exec to do it.
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• 291[02:08:18] <Akuw> cef: what do you mean
• 292[02:08:31] <cef> Akuw: to append "ss" to each found file use: find . -name "file*" -exec sh -c 'echo ss >> {}.txt' \;
• 293[02:09:03] <cef> Akuw: 'echo ss > file' will overwrite the existing file with only 'ss' in it.
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• 295[02:09:16] <cef> if you want to add to the end, you need to use >> instead of >
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• 299[02:10:24] <cef> Akuw: also note: If you want to use {} multiple times in the exec command, then you need to abstract out {} first.
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• 304[02:11:06] <Akuw> ok
• 305[02:11:17] <cef> eg: if instead you want to append the line 'ss filename' to the file, you would do the following: find . -name "file*" -exec sh -c 'echo ss $0 >> $0.txt' {} \;
• 306[02:11:19] <Akuw> i did this way--> find . -name "file*" -exec sh -c 'echo ss >> {}' \;
• 307[02:11:37] <Akuw> so found file have same name
• 308[02:11:41] <Akuw> thanks man
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• 314[02:12:28] <cef> np.. as mentioned, -exec and shell redirection is not intuitive
• 315[02:12:44] <Akuw> it is very interesting
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• 320[02:21:45] <somiaj> abrotman: shouldn't that be tracker.debian.org now (dpkg factoid) or does the new tracker not have excuses.php?
• 321[02:22:03] <Sveta> cef: i was looking at replaced-url
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• 326[02:22:31] <Sveta> abrotman: not from experimental through testing to stable either? because that's what i meant
• 327[02:22:50] <somiaj> Sveta: stable is frozen, packages do not migrate from testing to stable.
• 328[02:23:05] <trysten> petn-randall: the filesystem is hfsplus i think
• 329[02:23:10] <Sveta> somiaj: so a few weeks ago they would do that, but not now?
• 330[02:23:26] <somiaj> Sveta: firefox-esr is a special case, and it comes into stable because of security fixes. And security only adds new packages to deal with security issues, not to add new packages.
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• 333[02:23:49] <somiaj> Sveta: stretch (Stable) has been frozen for over a year, there have not been anything except bug and security fixes in stable since then.
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• 335[02:24:16] <Sveta> somiaj: isn't freezing something that you do only when you plan to do a release? that's an unusually long freeze then, perhaps
• 336[02:24:18] <roylaprattep> petn-randall: Thanks man for your help this morning, I was able to set my ethernet card at 1000mbps with ethtool.
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• 338[02:24:20] <somiaj> stable does get security fixes (and grave bug fixes), but these are all backported to the stable version, and are to fix very specific issues.
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• 340[02:24:43] <Sveta> somiaj: ok thanks, is there a page where this status and its history may be viewed easily?
• 341[02:24:51] <somiaj> Sveta: the freeze is the start of the release, just because the release happens doesn't mean stable unfreezes. (a new testing is made, and the new testing unfreezes, but that is different)
• 342[02:25:01] <roylaprattep> petn-randall: I did put the config lines in /etc/network/interfaces so it stay permanent.
• 343[02:25:25] <somiaj> Sveta: what history, you can track every package in debian by changelogs, this can be done in various ways. tracker.debian.org has that info.
• 344[02:25:33] <roylaprattep> petn-randall: Dunno why 1000mbps is not negociated by default though.
• 345[02:25:52] <Sveta> somiaj: i mean history of releases of debian (which version is called stable now, whether stable is frozen, etc)
• 346[02:26:05] <Sveta> somiaj: and when did the freeze happen, when did a release happen, etc
• 347[02:26:12] <somiaj> Sveta: sure the wiki has such a history.
• 348[02:26:18] <Sveta> somiaj: ok
• 349[02:26:18] <somiaj> I am sure you can google as well as I
• 350[02:26:54] <trysten> litheum: petn-randall: thank you. using mode=0777 fails because `hfsplus: unable to parse mount options`. I have a dd image recovered from a failing mac with a large amount of files that need to be uploaded directly from the image, but I need read access from user.
• 351[02:27:00] <Sveta> somiaj: i wasn't able to find the package QA tracker because i didn't know the right key words, so i ask about such things from time to time.. thanks in any case, pointer to the wiki is useful
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• 353[02:27:44] <somiaj> debian release history -- google search that, it is what you wanted, and you'll get various pages
• 354[02:27:46] <trysten> so if hfsplus doesn't support mode= ... can i use suid somehow to access the files as root?
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• 356[02:28:55] <trysten> I think i found an answer in `bindfs`. thank you guys for helping me clarify the problem, I didn't even think about checking the fs driver -.-
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• 364[02:35:13] <nekoseam> Is OpenRC well supported on Debian?
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• 368[02:39:46] <tomahawk> i hear if the government did md5 sums things like paranoia around around bad isos and bad isos would stop. at the very least every place a good hashsum can stay and stick
• 369[02:40:04] <tomahawk> people don't check their isos for md5 on my google they don't advertise it
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• 373[02:40:44] <cef> Sveta: use the tracker, then look at the "links" box on the right. it has a bunch of links into qa.debian.org direct for the package
• 374[02:42:04] <avis-> every digit that cannot be undone, legally
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• 395[03:06:12] <jpduplessis> is it ever going to be possible for something like paralells on linux?
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• 398[03:06:45] <jpduplessis> in my experience virtualization is great on this thing :)
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• 400[03:06:47] <jpduplessis> i love debian
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• 403[03:07:49] <nekoseam> me too
• 404[03:08:24] <jpduplessis> if i look back remembering all the window manager i've used over the years gnome has really gotten far
• 405[03:08:26] <jpduplessis> its amazing
• 406[03:09:24] <jpduplessis> ive gotto install windows in a vm so i can use visual studio
• 407[03:09:31] <jpduplessis> from what i've heard thats just REALLY not a problem
• 408[03:09:32] <jpduplessis> hehe
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• 415[03:12:50] <nekoseam> visual studio is on linux
• 416[03:13:22] <jpduplessis> wot
• 417[03:13:23] <jpduplessis> where?
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• 421[03:15:01] <jpduplessis> no it aint
• 422[03:15:10] <jpduplessis> its monodevelop thats kind of lik eit
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• 424[03:15:15] <jpduplessis> like it*
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• 524[04:32:37] <superflit> hello, what is the best way to debug service not starting at restart? It does work if I do /etc/init.d/servicexx start
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• 532[04:37:57] <likcoras> superflit: any logs?
• 533[04:38:01] <likcoras> Look for those first.
• 534[04:38:32] <superflit> likcoras: no logs errors. I was searching for a way to test it without having to restart...
• 535[04:39:44] <likcoras> I guess it might depend on the service, but in my experience, most issues with services not starting at boot has to do with the network not being up/ready yet.
• 536[04:39:47] <likcoras> Might that be it?
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• 538[04:40:16] <likcoras> It would be better if there was some sort of logging/error somewhere, though. Are you sure systemd isn't saying anything like timeout or something?
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• 540[04:41:02] <superflit> likcoras: network not set…
• 541[04:41:12] <superflit> likcoras: that may be a dependency not set
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• 544[04:42:13] <B345T> is this indicative of HDD failure? replaced-url
• 545[04:42:37] <likcoras> superflit: try setting it, and then test it on the next reboot, I guess?
• 546[04:43:14] <superflit> likcoras: should have a better way to simulate the restart..
• 547[04:43:41] <likcoras> Can't help you there, sorry. No idea.
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• 645[05:57:44] <kruug> why does port 8006 show wpl-analytics when it's supposed to show pveproxy?
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• 647[05:59:11] <Poster> I believe that is determined by IANA replaced-url
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• 658[06:05:19] <kruug> Poster: So, is it only from the services and not what's actually responding on that port?
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• 661[06:07:32] <noodlepie> why does tightvncserver work, but vncserver does nothing and refuses connections, and "no matching security types"
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• 665[06:08:58] <Poster> kruug: yeah it's referencing /etc/services for the translation from port number to service name, you can change it in there if you want, but it may get overwritten with an update
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• 674[06:11:47] <noodlepie> Seems tightvncserver is opening ports 5900-5901, but vncserver only open 5900, and claims to like on server:0.0, I'm connecting with vncviewer server:0 and vncviewer server:1
• 675[06:11:56] <liveuser1> hi
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• 677[06:12:08] <noodlepie> Hi liveuser1! @:P-~
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• 680[06:14:04] <liveuser1> noodlepie: is there an apparmor profile for firefox, it is possible it can run the system
• 681[06:14:28] <liveuser1> is the term sandbox? whatever apparmor does to block system usage
• 682[06:14:40] <liveuser1> sorta reversed, system-armor
• 683[06:15:28] <noodlepie> dunno mate
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• 685[06:16:29] <liveuser1> noodlepie: dunno?
• 686[06:16:39] <liveuser1> noodlepie: what is your specialty
• 687[06:17:32] <liveuser1> noodlepie: in what sense "mate" ghost ship?
• 688[06:17:48] <liveuser1> daemonized "opportunities" and people
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• 701[06:31:05] <liveuser1> noodlepie: what are you running
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• 718[06:42:30] * noodlepie is a GNU hacker
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• 721[06:43:15] <noodlepie> liveuser1, bit of everything really, from graphics design and imaging, programming, music and team leadership
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• 726[06:44:15] <liveuser1> noodlepie: how much do you charge per gram?
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• 735[06:48:57] <liveuser1> noodlepie: you been programming?
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• 737[06:49:24] <liveuser1> and collecting hive funds?
• 738[06:50:01] <liveuser1> if 411.info the default refaree?
• 739[06:50:11] <liveuser1> I can use some funding.
• 740[06:51:05] <liveuser1> anything to get away from knee-knocking concheeta bots wearing reaqding glasses
• 741[06:51:41] <liveuser1> Man requires food.
• 742[06:51:49] <liveuser1> check the docs
• 743[06:51:53] <liveuser1> rtfm
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• 746[06:52:21] <liveuser1> swine fat is something of a slow cruel poisioning
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• 749[06:53:01] <somiaj> Is there debian support somewhere in this?
• 750[06:53:18] <liveuser1> Hive-Quick how about we get me some plastic ID cards and magic federal reserve notes
• 751[06:53:53] <mosh> darkweb
• 752[06:53:56] <liveuser1> somiaj: send a restrictive firefox apparmor profile
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• 754[06:54:26] <liveuser1> somiaj: to rule out ff executing system commands remotely such as aide
• 755[06:54:46] <mindloop> I have Debian stretch 9.4 on my laptop and an AMD 6310 (wrestler) graphics card. What kind of drivers can I install?
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• 757[06:54:53] <liveuser1> mosh: does bob have a list?
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• 759[06:55:10] <somiaj> It evolved from that quite quickly, and unsure if debian provides such a profile.
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• 762[06:55:39] <somiaj> mindloop: the drivers are included in the kernel by default, tough installing firmware-amd-graphics from non-free will help preformance.
• 763[06:56:19] <mindloop> somiaj, Hod do I install drivers to help performance?
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• 765[06:56:26] <mindloop> how
• 766[06:56:47] <somiaj> firmware isn't drivers, and I don't know amd names that well, but I think the 6000 series is more traditional (not a brand new card)
• 767[06:56:50] <somiaj> !non-free
• 768[06:56:50] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
• 769[06:57:07] <somiaj> enable non-free soruces, the install the package firmware-amd-graphics just like you would any other debian software with apt (or various other tools)
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• 773[06:59:30] <mindloop> somiaj, There is not much documentaion on 9.4 just yet
• 774[07:00:29] <somiaj> What? There is plenty of documentation, though sometimes hard to find the specific info you want
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• 776[07:01:04] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 780[07:02:49] <mindloop> somiaj, There is a transition in AMD. Right now the new standard is AMD GPU pro. The older standard is radeon drivers. You cannot install the radeon drivers because it requires an deprecated xorg library among other things
• 781[07:03:21] <mindloop> So the new card get gpu prom but older cards may have our arses blowing in the wind
• 782[07:03:30] <mindloop> amd gpu pro
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• 784[07:04:19] <mindloop> You see the line in the link you gave, "The amdgpu driver in Debian 9 "Stretch" supports newer AMD GPUs. " means that the rest of us can go fu-- ourselves.
• 785[07:04:25] <mindloop> Which is typical AMD support.
• 786[07:04:52] <somiaj> what? That is not true, radeon and amdgpu are both provided by the kernel, radeon for older cards like teh 6000 series, and amdgpu for newer cards. They both use firmware in firmware-amd-graphics, and this has little to with xorg, these are just kms drivers. Xorg or waylend will the make use of the drivers, though more and more is a swith to juse using a modesetting driver and not having specific ones for
• 787[07:04:58] <somiaj> each card
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• 789[07:05:06] <somiaj> so for older cards use radeon, fully supported and works well.
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• 791[07:06:10] <somiaj> but this ahs turned from support to a rant, the radeon driver is availble in debian, works just fine with older cards, and in most cases users may want to install the firwmare packge I suggested as my first reponse.
• 792[07:07:30] * northstar can verify this as stretch + firmware-amd-graphis work great with his old radeon card.
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• 794[07:07:43] <mindloop> somiaj, I had issues installing Radeon, there were library conflicts with Xorg, the library it needed was too old. The Linux kernel debian uses is not the one that supports AMD graphics just yet.
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• 796[07:08:06] <mindloop> 4.10 and up gets the AMD good for graphics I believe
• 797[07:08:11] <mindloop> We are just shy of that
• 798[07:08:24] <mindloop> goddies, ugh bad typing night
• 799[07:08:28] <mindloop> goodies
• 800[07:08:46] <somiaj> what do you mean by installing radeon, there is nothing to install, the module is inside the kernel. If you mean to get it to work with xorg, install xserver-xorg-video-radeon, you shouldtn' have any libary conflicts with xorg, as these packages are designed to work in debian.
• 801[07:09:29] <somiaj> amdgpu dosen't support older cards, so for your 6000 series having a newer kernel won't mean much but if needed you can get a newer kernel and firmware from stretch-backports
• 802[07:10:02] <somiaj> if you mean 'fglxr' that is completely different, non-free driver that has been discontinued, just use the open radeon drivers.
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• 804[07:11:57] <ov3rmind> hello great guys :)
• 805[07:12:11] <mindloop> ov3rmind, Where is Lord Dread?
• 806[07:12:16] <ov3rmind> no
• 807[07:12:30] <mindloop> ov3rmind, Sauran and Blastarr?
• 808[07:12:37] <ov3rmind> i can't see him a lot of time
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• 810[07:13:02] <somiaj> please stick to support
• 811[07:13:04] <ov3rmind> i saty studding alone for a lot of time
• 812[07:13:07] <mindloop> ov3rmind, What happened to Vulkania?
• 813[07:13:55] <ov3rmind> i don't known if i known wtf is Vulkania
• 814[07:14:04] <ov3rmind> kkk, excuse
• 815[07:14:12] <somiaj> is there a debian support question here, if not take it to debian-offtopic or chat
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• 821[07:16:08] <Tywin> Why is dkms requesting my custom kernel's build directory -- which I deleted -- when trying to rebuild a module?
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• 823[07:17:10] <somiaj> dkms needs the headers for the kernel, also by custom kernel, did you install it via a .deb package or some other way?
• 824[07:17:31] <Tywin> somiaj, I do have the linux-headers-custom package installed
• 825[07:17:37] <somiaj> the headers are commonly located in the build directory, tough debian puts them in custom packages.
• 826[07:17:39] <Tywin> And I installed it via dpkg
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• 828[07:18:22] <somiaj> that is probably what it is using, you would have to look at the scripts in more details (i'm not quite sure how dkms determins what kernels to build for), but having a linux-headers-custom sounds like it is going to want to try to build a module for tha tkernel too
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• 830[07:19:19] <Tywin> somiaj, this is nvidia-dkms's build.log: make V=1 -C /lib/modules/4.16.8-ck1/build M=/var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/390.48/build ARCH=x86_64 NV_KERNEL_SOURCES=/lib/modules/4.16.8-ck1/build NV_KERNEL_OUTPUT=/lib/modules/4.16.8-ck1/build NV_KERNEL_MODULES="nvidia nvidia-uvm nvidia-modeset nvidia-drm" INSTALL_MOD_DIR=kernel/drivers/video modules
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• 833[07:19:48] <Tywin> /lib/modules/4.16.8-ck1/modules is a symlink to my deleted build directory
• 834[07:20:23] <somiaj> maybe check the man page, man dkms
• 835[07:20:38] <Tywin> somiaj, look at nvidia-dkms' script?
• 836[07:20:48] <mindloop> somiaj, What of the AMD microcode? Do you know how I can attain that?
• 837[07:20:56] <somiaj> mindloop: that is also in non-free
• 838[07:20:59] <somiaj> ,v amdmicrocode
• 839[07:21:00] <judd> No package named 'amdmicrocode' was found in amd64.
• 840[07:21:19] <mindloop> somiaj, That is included in the package or i must specify that?
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• 842[07:21:27] <somiaj> ,v amd64-microcode
• 843[07:21:28] <judd> Package: amd64-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20160316.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 2.20160316.1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 2.20160316.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20160316.3; buster/non-free: 3.20171205.2; sid/non-free: 3.20171205.2
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• 845[07:21:50] <somiaj> mindloop: I don't understand that question. Yes the microcode is included int he microcode package. But as always with debian, non-free is not enabled by default.
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• 847[07:22:08] <liveuser1> for: 1 processes have profiles defined. how finding which proc.?
• 848[07:22:23] <Tywin> somiaj, thanks anyway
• 849[07:22:28] <mindloop> somiaj, Thank you for the help, my machine is now performing satisfactorily.
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• 851[07:23:17] <somiaj> mindloop: looks like there isn't newer than 20160316 micrcode available, updating your firmware/bios is a prefered way to get new microcode, and you can manually copy it into /lib/firmware if needed.
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• 854[07:24:02] <mindloop> I wasgoing through numerous distros and had performance issues. Now I got a decent machine that works with external monitors. Some microcode is better than none, so I am pleased.
• 855[07:24:27] <somiaj> Tywin: yoursetup seems unstandard to me, but I haven't complied my own kernel in a long time. Is the fact the module not building cuasing issues with installing/removing packages, or you just want the module built for this custom kernel?
• 856[07:25:06] <somiaj> Tywin: also how did you build these custom kernel packages? You are using the 'make debpkg' target inside the upstream kernel sources?
• 857[07:25:39] <Tywin> somiaj, deleted the proprietary nvidia driver after I had built it when I still had the build directory to try out nouveau and now I want to go back to the proprietary driver
• 858[07:25:47] <Tywin> somiaj, make-kpkg
• 859[07:26:06] <somiaj> Tywin: make-kpkg is kind dated, I woudln't use that any more.
• 860[07:26:14] <mindloop> Does Debian use Thunderbird or Icedove, both or neither? (the email client)
• 861[07:26:25] <somiaj> I would use the make target inside the kernel source, that has been the suggested way to building custom kernel packages for a while now (multiple releases)
• 862[07:26:41] <mindloop> if i recall, there was some indecisiveness
• 863[07:26:44] <Tywin> somiaj, if only there would be proper documentation to tell which tools to use...
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• 865[07:27:03] <Sveta> documentation appears because someone writes it
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• 867[07:27:11] <Tywin> This might be the nvidia-dkms package's fault, though
• 868[07:27:17] <somiaj> Tywin: yea, opensoruce seems to ahve this issue a lot because old docs/guides ont he net don't go away when new methods are intruduced...
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• 870[07:27:40] <somiaj> and most prefer to use guides, over actaully reading the docs (man pages, info in the actual source, etc)
• 871[07:28:17] <somiaj> mindloop: it was a branding issue, but as of jessie, debian now doesn't have to rebrand mozilla's products, so thunderbird is the name of the package and software in stretch.
• 872[07:28:51] <mindloop> somiaj, Okay, thanks
• 873[07:29:06] <mindloop> Glad they got it sorted. It gave me troubles before.
• 874[07:29:35] <Tywin> somiaj, not trying to be an asshole, but I didn't have this kind of problems with archlinux's documentation. I would go back, but I'm trying to learn debian right now.
• 875[07:29:49] <somiaj> Yea, it was more mozzila wouldn't allow its brand to be used on frozen software, but debian only produces stable frozen releases, so thus debian had to remove mozilla's branding.
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• 877[07:30:09] <somiaj> Tywin: the archwiki is very well matained in comparision to the debian wiki, I will agree ont hat.
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• 879[07:30:32] <somiaj> info is out there, just a bit harder to find sometimes.
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• 881[07:30:54] <somiaj> (also because there is a lot of outdated info, a lot of just bad advise, and a lot of stuff for debian based distros not debian)
• 882[07:31:09] <somiaj> not on the wiki, but when searching for docs in general using google.
• 883[07:31:55] <Tywin> Sounds like my experience thus far
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• 886[07:32:38] <somiaj> Tywin: replaced-url
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• 889[07:33:21] <somiaj> Though I think #debian helps make up for some of the bad stuff out there, one usually gets good advise and support here, and there is quite a large support communit on irc for debian.
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• 892[07:34:14] <Sveta> somiaj: it would be nice to maintain the debian wiki better, what do you think is a first step in that direction?
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• 894[07:34:37] <Tywin> somiaj, I hit a few bumps when building the kernel, but it's running smoothly thus far for a few days.
• 895[07:35:05] <somiaj> Sveta: volunteers
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• 897[07:36:06] <somiaj> there is a lot of good info on the wiki, but I think those who actually edit it and keep it up to date isn't that big of a community, and getting good volunteers that have the time to clean it up would be nice.
• 898[07:36:36] <somiaj> some pages haven't been updated since wheezy.
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• 901[07:37:46] <cef> Sveta: for keeping the wiki up to date, sometimes just knowing the info is part of the battle.
• 902[07:38:04] <somiaj> debian also supports a large number of packages across multiple arches, so in comparision to other distros, work is spread thinner.
• 903[07:38:35] <somiaj> and those who have the knowldge, rarely have the time, a lot of otherwork going on.
• 904[07:38:40] <cef> somiaj: There's a few of us with wiki access, but without concrete info sometimes it's hard to know what to change, esp if it's something we're not that familiar with.
• 905[07:39:29] <somiaj> cef: I see that, there is a lot of info to cover in debian.
• 906[07:40:23] <cef> somiaj: yeah. I'll happily fix little stuff where I know what needs to be done, but yeah. other projects also distract. ;)
• 907[07:41:10] <cef> eg: AtiHowto got an update making sure people remove any previous nvidia packages, cos that can cause weird conflicts with glx.
• 908[07:42:09] * Tywin rawrs
• 909[07:42:24] <zerocool> which is better, `echo '' > ./file` or `cat /dev/null > ./file`
• 910[07:42:33] <Tywin> Goddamn it, I'll just have to rebuild the kernel and keep thousands of files on my ~ just so that I can build dkms modules X_X
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• 912[07:42:58] <cef> zerocool: if it doesn't already exist, `touch ./file` ;)
• 913[07:43:06] <somiaj> Tywin: I would just use the make deb-pkg target, it should correctly make linux-image and linux-header packages that are compadable with dkms.
• 914[07:43:27] <Tywin> somiaj, well, I'll try it that way right now
• 915[07:43:42] <zerocool> cef: well in my case is does exist
• 916[07:43:47] <somiaj> Tywin: I've heard various other strange issues with make-kpkg, partly cause not many of the devs use it, so it doesn't get the love it once got.
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• 918[07:43:54] <Tywin> My CPU is a slug, though, and it'll take more than an hour :(
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• 922[07:46:47] <cef> zerocool: also works: `true > ./file`
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• 926[07:50:30] <cef> zerocool: you can also check the status of that easily eg: `true > ./file && echo Write successful. || echo Write failed.`
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• 948[08:02:03] <zerocool> what if i only have cmd.exe installed
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• 953[08:03:21] <zerocool> i was cleaning .bash_history , that is why i was wondering... i usually `echo '' >` when i want to clear a file but i just... was curious this time if i should be doing that another way
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• 956[08:03:53] <zerocool> like i wonder if technically echo is less reliable tool than cat or something like that, i don't know
• 957[08:04:18] <somiaj> echo is also depricated, I think most standards suggest using printf instead.
• 958[08:04:33] <somiaj> though echo is so widely used, it isn't going anywhere.
• 959[08:04:39] <Tywin> Why does the devscripts package pull in exim4? Why? Who thought it was a great idea to include an email server along with tools meant for building a kernel? :(
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• 962[08:05:00] <Tywin> Debian bloat makes me cry
• 963[08:05:11] <somiaj> zerocool: here it is the redirect that is doing the work, I don't think the tool that creates a null would do much, though echo would create a \n at the end, so it would produce a different affect than catting /dev/null
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• 965[08:05:40] <somiaj> Tywin: what is the output of 'aptitude why exim4' though you may need to install apatidue for that
• 966[08:05:53] <zerocool> somiaj: seeeee, that is a difference, important even
• 967[08:06:04] <liveuser1> for apparmor how check which proc is used
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• 970[08:06:31] <somiaj> Tywin: also it use to be standard that every linux install had a mail server, in most cases exim is installed in local only mode, and plenty of stuff likes to have a local mail server (still a lot of old stuff that sends error reports to root over email)
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• 972[08:06:39] <Tywin> somiaj, cron needs it, apparently
• 973[08:06:49] <liveuser1> excuse the disconnect another moron interruption
• 974[08:06:52] <somiaj> Tywin: yup, because cron sends emails to root about errors, which is quite important.
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• 976[08:07:09] <Tywin> WHAT?! Madness.
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• 978[08:08:08] <liveuser1> FOR: 1 processes have profiles defined. using aa-status how check which proc.?
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• 981[08:10:31] <somiaj> liveuser1: have you tried a more apparmor specific support. I know it is moving in debian, but I would wager that most here are not that familar with it.
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• 983[08:10:56] <somiaj> I mean there is efforts to make it default in buster, but in stretch it isn't and I don't think many use it overall
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• 988[08:14:26] <liveuser1> somiaj: where?
• 989[08:15:03] <somiaj> liveuser1: are you running stretch?
• 990[08:15:52] <somiaj> seems there is an #apparmor in irc.oftc.net, though looks more like a developer channel.
• 991[08:16:36] <somiaj> also realize with smaller channels to lurk and be paitent. You could also try asking back here in 12 hours or so when there is a different set of people active/awake. I've just seen you ask multiple apparmor questions with little response, thinking mostly no one paying attention knows much about it.
• 992[08:17:52] <somiaj> though you may just have to dig into the docs, check out the apparmor wiki, maybe starting here, replaced-url
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• 997[08:22:41] <liveuser1> somiaj: kali, testing
• 998[08:22:53] <somiaj> then why are you even asking questions here?
• 999[08:22:55] <somiaj> !kali
• 1000[08:22:55] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1008[08:27:22] <zerocool> isnt is actually based on ubuntu
• 1009[08:27:30] <zerocool> which is not exactly based on debian
• 1010[08:27:41] <zerocool> depending on how you look at "based"
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• 1014[08:29:40] <somiaj> either way it is off-topic here. I would trust the factoid, unless you know forsure it has changed. Kali's webpage doesn't seem to say what it is bassed off of at a quick glance
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• 1021[08:31:04] <somiaj> their docs page say debian-based, so that seems to support the bot's factoid is current.
• 1022[08:31:53] <zerocool> the bot is not based on debian
• 1023[08:32:07] <zerocool> it must be disabled
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• 1025[08:34:18] <somiaj> haha, I do like how kali's webpage specifically has a 'is kali linux right for you?' section, which boils down to saying, if you don't know linux, don't use kali.
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• 1027[08:34:34] <somiaj> anyways enough of that, in the end kali is not supported here.
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• 1068[08:58:17] <ginxd> hey
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• 1071[09:00:35] <mephistolist> Hello ginxd
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• 1081[09:03:09] <ginxd> how's it going? got a question maybe you can help me out with as i trouble shoot @ mephistoloist ?
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• 1086[09:04:32] <mephistolist> Maybe, what is it?
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• 1094[09:08:19] <ginxd> for the sake of pub: gotcha! so I am trying to install debian onto my server..i put the .iso netist onto a USB and I am trying to install onto another USB to save disk space on my server HDDs..I am getting to the end and when it goes to depackage kernel it stalls and I get an error about the "installation" step
• 1095[09:08:19] <ginxd> <ginxd> im not sure where the log would be or how to trouble shoot this..I've checked md5sum of download and it's good to go
• 1096[09:08:19] <ginxd> <ginxd> any thoughts on how i could continue troubleshoot?
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• 1109[09:15:24] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting this error: replaced-url
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• 1117[09:17:43] <AndreasLutro> looks like your server can't reach google's mail servers
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• 1120[09:18:44] <AndreasLutro> but possibly tls verification failed too? not sure
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• 1130[09:21:04] <mikhael_k33hl> Hi, we have a mirror server for debian, I was just wondering with the ftpsync script, will it be possible to sync archives and iso as well?
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• 1136[09:22:41] <shtrb|laptop> mikhael_k33hl, I think you have a sync script for all site
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• 1138[09:24:54] <mikhael_k33hl> shtrb|laptop: I've downloaded this one: replaced-url
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• 1140[09:25:50] <mikhael_k33hl> I just replaced the person in charge but it seems that we are syncing three modules: replaced-url
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• 1162[09:33:32] <Tywin> wtf, firefox can access /dev and /sys with file:// by default?
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• 1165[09:33:52] <pingfloyd> Tywin: access is determined by perms
• 1166[09:34:05] <pingfloyd> anything can get access to anything that the perms allow
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• 1170[09:34:41] <Tywin> pingfloyd, why doesn't firefox just deny access to / stuff?!
• 1171[09:34:48] <pingfloyd> it not firefox's job
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• 1173[09:35:02] <pingfloyd> any program will have the same access when ran by the same user
• 1174[09:35:15] <Tywin> It is their job if they want to do something right
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• 1176[09:35:24] <pingfloyd> that wouldn't be doing it right
• 1177[09:35:31] <AndreasLutro> why wouldn't it? you want to be able to do `firefox index.html` when you're doing stuff locally
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• 1180[09:35:42] <Tywin> Is there an about:config setting that can disable this?
• 1181[09:35:43] <AndreasLutro> I use `chromium myfile.pdf` all the time
• 1182[09:35:49] <pingfloyd> that would be firefox trying to do a job it has no business doing
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• 1184[09:36:14] <AndreasLutro> what are you actually worried about here Tywin? some website stealing your data?
• 1185[09:36:25] <Tywin> AndreasLutro, yeah, but I don't think that myfile.pdf resides in /
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• 1188[09:36:47] <Tywin> AndreasLutro, exploits happen all the time
• 1189[09:36:47] <AndreasLutro> so what? it's a file on the filesystem, as long as you have read access to it, it's fair game
• 1190[09:37:10] <Tywin> It's reckless
• 1191[09:37:29] <pingfloyd> you can change that by simply running firefox as user that has the limited access you want (kind of pointless though).
• 1192[09:37:30] <AndreasLutro> well you'd have to manually type in file:///dev/sda in your browser
• 1193[09:37:36] <AndreasLutro> yeah that's reckless, but you did it..
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• 1196[09:37:56] <Tywin> AndreasLutro, ever heard of exploits?
• 1197[09:37:56] <AndreasLutro> random websites' javascript or whatever won't be able to request that, you have to explicitly do it yourself
• 1198[09:37:56] <pingfloyd> how is it reckless?
• 1199[09:38:03] <shtrb|laptop> Tywin, FF is not some magical privacy-by-default browser
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• 1201[09:38:09] <pingfloyd> filesystem security isn't firefox's job
• 1202[09:38:14] <AndreasLutro> Tywin: if you're worried about exploits so much you shouldn't be using a computer at all :p
• 1203[09:38:16] <pingfloyd> nor should it ever be
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• 1205[09:38:30] <Tywin> AndreasLutro, oh, you're a security nihilist
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• 1207[09:38:43] <shtrb|laptop> AndreasLutro, or you know use some secruity approach like cubes
• 1208[09:38:48] <pingfloyd> or run it in firejail as a user with limited enough access to put your mind at ease
• 1209[09:39:18] <Tywin> AndreasLutro, why even lock your car outside when there are people out there that are locksmiths/can hack the NFC keys?
• 1210[09:39:40] <Tywin> Everything can be broken, so it's pointless to do anything about it
• 1211[09:39:44] <Tywin> ^ that's you
• 1212[09:39:51] <shtrb|laptop> If you left your NFC car keys enabled you are to be blamed for it to be hacked
• 1213[09:40:10] <shtrb|laptop> And so is the WiFi access
• 1214[09:40:12] <ginxd> i want some car keys
• 1215[09:40:20] <ginxd> joy ride??
• 1216[09:40:21] <Tywin> pingfloyd, firejail is too much of a hassle
• 1217[09:41:01] <pingfloyd> yet you're the one who cares about having FF more isolated from the system
• 1218[09:41:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1586
• 1219[09:41:27] <Tywin> I shouldn't have to use firejail in order for firefox to block / access
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• 1221[09:41:38] <Tywin> But anyway
• 1222[09:42:29] <pingfloyd> Tywin: read up on unix tenet
• 1223[09:43:18] <pingfloyd> making apps that try to do everything is the realm of Windows programming
• 1224[09:43:36] <Tywin> X_X
• 1225[09:43:41] <Tywin> How is that in any way relevant?
• 1226[09:43:55] <pingfloyd> because you seem to be missing the point
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• 1228[09:44:53] <shtrb|laptop> Tywin, FF and any other app is not magically isolated, use Qubes-Os or VM for unsafe traffic
• 1229[09:44:56] <pingfloyd> it isn't firefox's job to block or even manage access to /dev or any other hierarchy on the system.
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• 1231[09:45:21] <pingfloyd> that's the job of filesystem permissions
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• 1237[09:46:57] <Tywin> pingfloyd, that's so stupid
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• 1239[09:47:48] <Tywin> And I'll leave it at that
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• 1241[09:48:49] <ginxd> can you give some insight as to why that's stupid? just trying to follow along here
• 1242[09:49:36] <ginxd> im not following youre comment from last person: <shtrb|laptop> Tywin, FF and any other app is not magically isolated, use Qubes-Os or VM for unsafe traffic
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• 1247[09:50:46] <shtrb|laptop> ginxd, people who whish to have true isloation can use Qubes-OS or VM per project
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• 1249[09:51:26] <ginxd> ah - so you're saying the qubes-OS or VM would act as a "sandbox" in a sense?
• 1250[09:51:37] <ginxd> shtrb|laptop
• 1251[09:51:40] <Tywin> shtrb|laptop, I don't even do "unsafe traffic". It's just stupid that FF would allow this by default.
• 1252[09:51:54] <Tywin> It's because of decisions like this that massive hacks happen
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• 1255[09:53:16] <Tywin> replaced-url
• 1256[09:53:24] <shtrb|laptop> ginxd, yes, it is what it designed for
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• 1258[09:53:36] <Tywin> "On Linux the exploit goes after the usual global configuration files like /etc/passwd, and then in all the user directories it can access it looks for .bash_history, .mysql_history, .pgsql_history, .ssh configuration files and keys, configuration files for remina, Filezilla, and Psi+, text files with “pass” and “access” in the names, and any shell scripts."
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• 1260[09:54:25] <AndreasLutro> Tywin: like I said, random websites won't be able to access your file:/// files, just like they won't be able to access your facebook/github/whatever cookies and steal them
• 1261[09:54:25] <Tywin> But it's getting way offtopic
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• 1263[09:57:36] <shtrb|laptop> the idea behind Qubes-os (debian) is expecting to be hacked , and it is how you act against such threaths
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• 1265[09:58:09] <shtrb|laptop> AndreasLutro, That is not really true ( no gurantee for no RCE that could do that )
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• 1268[09:58:55] <shtrb|laptop> Any application can have bugs, heck some apps wait for D-Bus commands to perform operations locally
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• 1270[09:59:01] <pingfloyd> using javascript is a far bigger concept to begin with
• 1271[09:59:08] <ginxd> would someone be kind enough to help me find the log to what's going on so I can trouble shoot and find out how to install debian to my server?
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• 1273[09:59:18] <pingfloyd> just like that exploit linked.
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• 1275[09:59:27] <jelly> Tywin: some other distros apply role-based policies to firefox executable, eg. ubuntu has an apparmor profile. Still, not fixed within firefox itself.
• 1276[09:59:28] <shtrb|laptop> ginxd, /var/log/syslog ?
• 1277[09:59:31] <pingfloyd> s/concept/concern/
• 1278[09:59:42] <jelly> ah, gone
• 1279[09:59:47] <ginxd> im on "select and install" 9% "preparing linu-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 (amd64)"
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• 1281[10:00:07] <pingfloyd> whether firefox has local access at is rarely the source of such problem, unlike javascript which practically always is.
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• 1284[10:00:25] <pingfloyd> *local file access at all
• 1285[10:00:26] <beardy> GN/Linu
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• 1287[10:00:51] <ginxd> shtrb|laptop , how would i exit this screen to drop terminal to see syslog?
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• 1291[10:01:18] <shtrb|laptop> alt+F2/F3/F4 and back
• 1292[10:01:27] <jelly> "back" is probably Alt-F1
• 1293[10:01:40] <shtrb|laptop> or ALT+CTRL F1/F2/FX (depending on installation methdo)
• 1294[10:01:50] <beardy> ginxd: If youa re in the installer it provides the virtual terminals as now described above.
• 1295[10:02:35] <shtrb|laptop> ALT + something mean you need to press both buttons
• 1296[10:02:58] <ginxd> anything in paticular i should be looking for, or just look for last output/line?
• 1297[10:03:36] <ginxd> ALT+f2 worked
• 1298[10:03:43] <shtrb|laptop> errors , no network etc
• 1299[10:04:20] <ginxd> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was kiled by signal
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• 1301[10:04:25] <ginxd> that was me?
• 1302[10:04:39] <shtrb|laptop> anything above it ?
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• 1308[10:05:57] <ginxd> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-zgrLyu/linux-imag$
• 1309[10:05:57] <dpkg> ginxd: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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• 1312[10:06:52] <shtrb|laptop> ginxd, few lines above
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• 1314[10:08:08] <ginxd> all the lines before that show "unpacking/preparing"
• 1315[10:08:23] <ginxd> lines after show what i think may be error, doing my best to type it out now
• 1316[10:09:30] <ginxd> cannot copy extracted data for './lib/modules/4.9.0-6-amd64/kernel/driv$
• 1317[10:09:36] <beardy> ginxd: Have you tried doing this installation several times with the same result?
• 1318[10:09:45] <ginxd> yes
• 1319[10:10:12] <ginxd> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal ( broken pipe_
• 1320[10:10:44] <ginxd> w: laste kernael image has been removed, so removing the default symlinks
• 1321[10:10:58] <shtrb|laptop> do you have enough disk space on /boot ?
• 1322[10:11:18] <shtrb|laptop> you need to have at least kernel size x 3
• 1323[10:11:46] <ginxd> i am using the guided partitioning, onto a 32GB USB for my server using a minimal install
• 1324[10:11:54] <shtrb|laptop> something like ~100 mb is a minimum , but better to have more
• 1325[10:12:04] <beardy> So how large is your /boot?
• 1326[10:12:08] <shtrb|laptop> ok , but is /boot a separate parttion ?
• 1327[10:12:18] <shtrb|laptop> beardy, mine is 2 G :-)
• 1328[10:12:33] <beardy> Yeah I meant his, but ok.
• 1329[10:12:36] <ginxd> im not sure, let me search how to check that - sorry
• 1330[10:13:02] <ginxd> I was assuming guided would allocate everything accordingly
• 1331[10:13:03] <beardy> ginxd: In one of the terminals you switch to you can run 'df -h'
• 1332[10:13:37] <shtrb|laptop> or if you had any error saying remounting in readonly mode
• 1333[10:13:38] <ginxd> yes, let me type output:
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• 1335[10:14:03] <beardy> (look for /boot)
• 1336[10:14:04] <ginxd> is there a specific i am looking for @ beardy
• 1337[10:14:26] <ginxd> there is no boot, (am i looking at mounts, or filesystem)
• 1338[10:15:05] <beardy> Is this a USB-"stick" of 32GB?
• 1339[10:15:15] <ginxd> yes
• 1340[10:15:30] <beardy> Maybe it has errors and has been remountred read-only as shtrb|laptop suggested.
• 1341[10:15:38] <ginxd> I want to run minimal debian on my USB and have HDD for file shares on server
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• 1345[10:16:56] <ginxd> shtrb|laptop , i dont see any remount error in the syslog
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• 1348[10:17:19] <Longview> I'm getting the "No mathcing security types" errors
• 1349[10:17:41] <shtrb|laptop> Longview, check other vnc client ?
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• 1353[10:17:56] <shtrb|laptop> ginxd, are you installing from a debian-installer or the live cd ?
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• 1355[10:18:27] <shtrb|laptop> ginxd, on next attempt try to install bare minimum (no gui , no nothing) , and then after reboot install the rest
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• 1358[10:20:06] <ginxd> shrtb|laptop i am using a non-free firmware debian installer link: replaced-url
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• 1363[10:20:43] <ginxd> i am booting from the USB with the minmal -non-free installer and then attempting to install onto my 32GB USB
• 1364[10:21:08] <ginxd> Am I going about this the wrong way?
• 1365[10:21:30] <BCMM> ... the *same* usb?
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• 1369[10:21:50] <ginxd> no, 2 diff - one with .iso is 8gb and i am installing onto a 32gb
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• 1371[10:21:51] <shtrb|laptop> It does not seem like a bad issue , but if you boot from a USB and write to a different USB you may get hit by locking issue
• 1372[10:22:13] <shtrb|laptop> locking issue = when USB fail to write - but you should get an error when that happen
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• 1380[10:23:38] <ginxd> shtrb , would you suggest I try installing directly to a HDD and see if that fixes issue?
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• 1384[10:24:15] <ginxd> I don't mind attempting to install over my ubuntu server if that fixes issue - but I dont want to be left in the dust as I am now w/current debian install issue
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• 1389[10:25:04] <ginxd> basically I'm trying to move from ubuntu to debian because I don't like netplan and a couple other issues I am having - i figured debian is next step for me..
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• 1395[10:25:59] <shtrb|laptop> I got it, but if you had a locking error you should see a nice error in the terminal (remounted to read only)
• 1396[10:26:12] <ginxd> i did md5checksum on the ISO and it came back good - so I can rule out a faulty USB , correct?
• 1397[10:26:33] <ginxd> i will check syslog again
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• 1399[10:27:32] <ginxd> main-menu[341]: warning **: confiuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code: 100
• 1400[10:28:03] <ginxd> main-menu[341]: warning: menu item 'pkgsel' failed.
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• 1402[10:28:15] <ginxd> those are the last 2 lines in syslog
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• 1410[10:31:11] <ginxd> i do have dhcp configured and ip addr show's an ip address - i can ping to googles DNS, is there a way i can paste my output to pastebin or something from command line to make this easier for you guys to help me troubleshoot?
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• 1414[10:32:23] <ginxd> any help would be appreciated i've been going over this for a couple hours now and I'm lost at this point
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• 1425[10:35:17] <shtrb|laptop> !paste
• 1426[10:35:17] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 1427[10:35:28] <shtrb|laptop> !pastebinit
• 1428[10:35:28] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
• 1429[10:35:35] <shtrb|laptop> ginxd, ^
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• 1431[10:36:12] <ginxd> I am on my desktop, server is connected to tv and keyboard seperate - i can't ssh into it
• 1432[10:36:27] <ginxd> apt shows apt: not found
• 1433[10:36:56] <SunnyDay> apt-get install ssh
• 1434[10:38:27] <shtrb|laptop> SunnyDay, he doesn't have apt ...
• 1435[10:39:31] <ginxd> i am lost as to where i should go from here now.. :/
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• 1437[10:39:40] <SunnyDay> ok, I go back to lurkin
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• 1439[10:39:58] <ginxd> ty for trying sunnyday
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• 1466[10:58:15] <mikhael_k33hl> How do I use the ftpsync script when syncing for debian archives?
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• 1506[11:26:57] <karlpinc> mikhael_k33hl: It's pretty painless. You read the comments at the top and make the appropriate edits.
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• 1510[11:27:40] <mikhael_k33hl> karlpinc: how about syncing cd-image?
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• 1517[11:29:36] <karlpinc> mikhael_k33hl: I forget what it will sync. Mostly it's used for mirroring the repos but I suspect it will mirror anything that's public. (Why would you want to sync cd images?)
• 1518[11:29:56] <mikhael_k33hl> karlpinc: I'm maintaining a public mirror :)
• 1519[11:30:35] <mikhael_k33hl> guess I'll be using the jigso-mirror
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• 1522[11:31:17] <karlpinc> mikhael_k33hl: replaced-url
• 1523[11:31:30] <karlpinc> mikhael_k33hl: There's a separate page for cd mirroring. Never looked.
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• 1526[11:31:45] <mikhael_k33hl> karlpinc: Okay thanks for the link
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• 1530[11:34:09] <karlpinc> mikhael_k33hl: Ideally you hook up with the debian people and let them push changes to your mirror. There's info on the offical mirror pages. Don't know how you go about it but it reduces everybody's bandwidth/load.
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• 1533[11:34:49] <mikhael_k33hl> karlpinc: I don't think I'll be allowed to open up ssh port to public though so I can't have that push mirror option
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• 1535[11:36:28] <karlpinc> mikhael_k33hl: Does it really need ssh? I thought it was some sort of rsync-y thing.
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• 1539[11:37:07] <mikhael_k33hl> karlpinc: It does, cause it triggers a script on my server which will trigger the rsync
• 1540[11:37:18] <karlpinc> mikhael_k33hl: (Although I suppose it makes sense to use ssh as the rsync transport because of the write access.)
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• 1543[11:39:23] <karlpinc> mikhael_k33hl: You could configure your ssh daemon to only authenticate with keys and only allow forced commands. Which, I realize, is indepdendent of whether somebody will allow the net access to the port.
• 1544[11:39:55] <mikhael_k33hl> karlpinc: Yeah, I'm isolated with the option to cron rsync jobs :)
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• 1546[11:40:20] <karlpinc> mikhael_k33hl: Such is life. ;)
• 1547[11:41:04] <mikhael_k33hl> it says to use jigdo-mirror(jigdo-lite is discouraged), however the link it provided doesn't seem to offer any such script though: replaced-url
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• 1563[11:46:37] <blackflow> anyone knows what's going on with postgresql-9.6? The tracker says the package is gone, and it hasn't been updated for recent (serious) vulns that were fixed upstream two months ago.
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• 1577[11:52:07] <at0m> blackflow: replaced-url
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• 1579[11:53:39] <blackflow> at0m: yeah. PTS says the package is gone, last update in march, and I can't seem to find any open bugs for it which is unlikely...
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• 1582[11:55:22] <at0m> blackflow: these bugs are open: replaced-url
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• 1584[11:56:39] <blackflow> at0m: those are issues per CVE (I was looking for any open bugs in BTS that would refer to them), but okay, so, what's up with that. two months have passed. and why is PTS saying the package is gone.
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• 1612[12:11:08] <OnkelTem> Hi all
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• 1614[12:11:56] <OnkelTem> This: curl -L replaced-url
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• 1617[12:12:19] <OnkelTem> Note: Instead of using this command a keyring should be placed
• 1618[12:12:21] <OnkelTem> directly in the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directory with a descriptive name
• 1619[12:12:23] <OnkelTem> and either "gpg" or "asc" as file extension.
• 1620[12:12:25] <OnkelTem> This is what apt-key man page says
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• 1622[12:12:56] <OnkelTem> So I placed the key directly into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/: curl -L replaced-url
• 1623[12:13:20] <OnkelTem> but it didn't packages from that repo installable
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• 1625[12:13:32] <OnkelTem> W: GPG error: replaced-url
• 1626[12:13:57] <OnkelTem> Is it because I added the key in a wrong way? How to add apt-key properly?
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• 1636[12:21:28] <babilen> You have to place the keyring, rather than the key
• 1637[12:21:32] <babilen> s/the/a
• 1638[12:21:44] <yakiza> Hello guys, do you know if the red hat dhcp vulnerability CVE-2018-1111 AFFECTs debian?
• 1639[12:21:49] <yakiza> replaced-url
• 1640[12:22:04] <babilen> Isn't that the one that's specific to RH/CentOS/... ?
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• 1642[12:22:34] <yakiza> yeah but i found this page on debian and i am wondering if it affets it as well babilen
• 1643[12:22:55] <OnkelTem> babilen: ah, so how can I fetch it?
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• 1646[12:24:20] <babilen> OnkelTem: Shouldn't be too tricky to create one yourself by importing the key into an empty one, but the problem with that approach is that your Dockerfile will fail to work due to a change in keys at a random point in the future
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• 1648[12:24:50] <OnkelTem> babilen: oh... Then is there a blueprint how to do it in dockerfiles?
• 1649[12:24:55] <babilen> I'd suggest to address the "stdout is not a terminal" aspect of the error or figure out if upstream provides the signing key in different formats
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• 1656[12:26:56] <babilen> Is that the only error you get?
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• 1658[12:28:42] <babilen> And isn't that just an error? I mean, does this actually cause issues?
• 1659[12:28:45] <babilen> err
• 1660[12:28:49] <babilen> *WARNING
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• 1665[12:30:42] <babilen> APT_KEY_DONT_WARN_ON_DANGEROUS_USAGE env var might also be worth a look
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• 1684[12:43:16] <OnkelTem> babilen: no, APT_KEY_DONT_WARN_ON_DANGEROUS_USAGE doesn't seem to do anything
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• 1686[12:44:25] <OnkelTem> replaced-url
• 1687[12:44:35] <OnkelTem> This is a part of my Dockerfile
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• 1689[12:45:13] <OnkelTem> replaced-url
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• 1693[12:48:25] <OnkelTem> It's not actually a fatal errorm it's just a warning, but I'm curious then - if THAT is wrong then how it is supposed to do now?
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• 1755[13:24:42] <abrotman> somiaj: sorry, late response .. it seems it does not, though it may have an equivalent somewhere I'm not aware of
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• 1757[13:25:33] <abrotman> somiaj: though, it sort of seems to be the same if you just go to tracker.debian.org/pkg/foo and it has a section on the page about migrations ..
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• 1816[13:49:20] <m712> is there a way fontconfig can auto-configure aliases for missing fonts, or can I configure a "default" font for missing fonts? websites that use "Helvetica" render really bad looking pixelated text on firefox.
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• 1861[14:06:44] <jelly> nope
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• 1874[14:09:52] <tw> Can I make dig print ns glue records or tell me "no glue found"?
• 1875[14:10:01] <tw> I tried +trace
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• 1888[14:15:58] <hellyeah> jelly, i downloaded debian server iso but it gave me package error
• 1889[14:16:12] <hellyeah> in five or ix packages and installation was broken
• 1890[14:16:49] <tw> heck, let me walk that back; is there a tool that will print if there are ns glue records and if they are valid, preferably with dnssec support.
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• 1892[14:17:34] <jelly> hellyeah: which iso precisely?
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• 1895[14:18:37] <jelly> tw: dunno, but maybe ask in #dns
• 1896[14:18:56] <tw> I'll try that, thanks.
• 1897[14:19:13] <jelly> also knot's kdig might be nicer that ISC dig
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• 1901[14:20:12] <hellyeah> jelly, replaced-url
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• 1903[14:20:36] <hellyeah> jelly, i tried to virtulize it
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• 1906[14:22:43] <Popzi> is there any difference between a .sock and a .socket file on debian?
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• 1916[14:28:31] <jelly> hellyeah: netinst? replaced-url
• 1917[14:28:56] <jelly> eg. sha256sum from SHA256SUMS file replaced-url
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• 1970[14:59:59] <RogueYun> Hey, got debian for windows 10, would like to know what the key combination would be to access another terminal would be.
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• 1979[15:02:50] <tw> it's probably alt-f2, but that's not debian specific, that's windows.
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• 1988[15:06:13] <peter111111> hey folks
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• 1990[15:06:22] <peter111111> anybody familiar with skolelinux
• 1991[15:06:23] <peter111111> ?
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• 1996[15:09:36] <babilen> dpkg: skolelinux
• 1997[15:09:36] <dpkg> Skolelinux is a Debian Pure <Blend> produced by the <Debian Edu> project, see replaced-url
• 1998[15:09:39] <babilen> peter111111: ^
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• 2000[15:10:09] <Kevlar_Noir> If I want to update the realtek firmware on debian via the git repo what can I do ?
• 2001[15:10:10] <peter111111> thank you... anybody knows how to unlock mac addresses on skolerouter?
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• 2003[15:10:52] <Kevlar_Noir> I just must do that a "cp" in /lib/firmware/ ?
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• 2008[15:11:59] <peter111111> Kevlar_Noir maybe you need to compile first..
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• 2010[15:12:12] <Kevlar_Noir> ah !
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• 2014[15:12:58] <Kevlar_Noir> I watched this solution replaced-url
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• 2071[15:48:04] <somiaj> abrotman: Thanks. Seems since there isn't such a single page (As opposed to presented with all the other info), no reason to update dpkg's factoid.
• 2072[15:50:35] <abrotman> Could also update it to have both
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• 2124[16:23:36] <RogueYun> tw: I'm afraid alt+F2 nor ctrl+alt+F2 work... :(
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• 2134[16:27:16] <Gost45> hi, Dom0 has lvm disk for guests and I have xen hosts with btrfs as root, no subvolumes, no compress, no encryption, nodatacow. Is performance usually so slow compared to ext4 ?
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• 2195[16:49:01] <linuxconformer> where do i put .well-known?
• 2196[16:49:24] <likcoras> linuxconformer: at the web server root
• 2197[16:49:37] <likcoras> So it it served at $domain/.well-known
• 2198[16:49:44] <jelly> likcoras: you're talking about LE http-01 challenge-response system?
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• 2200[16:50:07] <likcoras> .well-known is used for stuff apart from that, but yeah.
• 2201[16:50:14] <linuxconformer> likcoras: what if nginx is pointing to an application running on another port?
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• 2203[16:50:36] <jelly> linuxconformer: put it anywhere and make it visible from http[s]://virtualhost/.well-known/
• 2204[16:50:53] <linuxconformer> jelly: is that nginx or apache?
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• 2206[16:51:33] <jelly> linuxconformer: that's a generic answer regardless of web server used
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• 2208[16:51:53] <jelly> for apache, a way to "make it visible" might be
• 2209[16:51:53] <likcoras> In debian, it's by default /var/replaced-url
• 2210[16:51:53] <linuxconformer> jeddi: wait so .well-known goes in /var/replaced-url
• 2211[16:51:56] <jelly> Alias /.well-known/acme-challenge /var/lib/dehydrated/acme-challenges
• 2212[16:52:16] <linuxconformer> *jelly
• 2213[16:52:43] <likcoras> linuxconformer: put it where the web server looks for files to serve. The answer to where that exactly is/how to set it up depends on how you set up your webserver, regardless of which one you use.
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• 2215[16:52:50] <jelly> I wouldn't necessarily put it under the DocumentRoot at all. It merely needs to be visible in that URL namespace
• 2216[16:53:20] <jelly> in the example above, my DocumentRoot is somewhere completely different
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• 2218[16:54:02] <jelly> and only the LE client has write permissions to that dir. Web server only has read permissions, and only for that dir
• 2219[16:54:07] <t3st3r> Gost45> TBH I do not get point of your setup. You do not use btrfs features, use lvm instead and TBH I do not get point of btrfs in this case.
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• 2221[16:54:47] <t3st3r> Sure btrfs could be slower compared to ext4 - it does more things internally. To be able to offer more features. Features you do not use. So what's the point?
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• 2223[16:55:26] <linuxconformer> thanks
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• 2252[17:13:21] <erdave> what's the name for this characters: áéíóú? Or whats the typic name that people use to point them out? I'll file a bug report related to them...
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• 2256[17:14:08] <petn-randall> erdave: umlauts
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• 2258[17:15:06] <blackflow> actually, they're diacritics.
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• 2260[17:15:40] <blackflow> umlaut is just a subset of those
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• 2263[17:16:48] <petn-randall> . o O ( The fastest way of getting an answer is being wrong on the internet ) ;)
• 2264[17:16:57] <linuxconformer> why is chmod 755 giving me dwrx-rx-x and not dwrx-rx-rx?
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• 2266[17:18:23] <jelly> linuxconformer: neither of those look like ls -l output.
• 2267[17:18:31] <r3> erdave: or I thought those were "acute accent" characters? (as opposed to "grave accent" which is the other direction?) blackflow is right, they are diacritics tho
• 2268[17:18:37] <erdave> petn-randall, blackflow: jajaja... thanks!
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• 2272[17:19:28] <mutante> linuxconformer: what does it say if you do "stat -c "%a %n" *" where you replace * with the file or directory you are wondering about
• 2273[17:19:44] <mutante> that should show the octal value it has
• 2274[17:19:49] <erdave> r3: yep, diacritics is the word that categorize them.
• 2275[17:20:10] <r3> yes ok, I thought maybe you wanted something more specific :)
• 2276[17:20:19] <linuxconformer> mutante: oh that syas 755
• 2277[17:20:20] <linuxconformer> thanks
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• 2282[17:22:21] <jelly> linuxconformer: can you copy/paste the actual output of ls -ld /path/to/dir
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• 2284[17:23:10] <jelly> order of bits is r, w, x not w, r, x
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• 2286[17:24:01] <linuxconformer> jelly: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 17 14:58 .well-known/
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• 2290[17:26:29] <killall> Hello
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• 2292[17:26:51] <killall> how can i boot my debian installer in low graphics mode?
• 2293[17:27:19] <killall> if i select "install" (text install) i end up with a weird screen with nonsense
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• 2295[17:27:38] <killall> /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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• 2328[17:44:53] <lispmacs> Hi, does the Debian project build the distribution using some kind of "buildroot" system like OpenWRT, or how does that work?
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• 2336[17:50:19] <killall> lispmacs, have you ever asked why google is our friend? replaced-url
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• 2369[18:03:56] <SagelessFox> H E L L O
• 2370[18:04:20] <SagelessFox> I am trying to install debian9 on my server. the hard disk is a sata, 4tb device
• 2371[18:04:30] <SagelessFox> when it finished the installation
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• 2373[18:04:50] <SagelessFox> and is booting into the grub
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• 2375[18:05:12] <SagelessFox> I see "error: attempt to read or write outside of disk hd0"
• 2376[18:05:16] <SagelessFox> any idea on that?
• 2377[18:06:06] <jhutchins_wk> SagelessFox: UEFI?
• 2378[18:06:13] <SagelessFox> bios
• 2379[18:06:33] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: How did you prepare the installation image?
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• 2382[18:07:04] <SagelessFox> I selected "automated partitioning on the entire disk" I #dd ed it to a usb drive
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• 2385[18:07:54] <SagelessFox> petn-randall
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• 2387[18:07:56] <SagelessFox> would the cause be something like grub not supporting large harddisks?
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• 2390[18:08:41] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: grub supports those fine. Usually those things happen because people use unetbootin or similar, that break the image so grub ends up writing itself onto the USB stick. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
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• 2392[18:09:13] <SagelessFox> ugh I see.
• 2393[18:09:29] <SagelessFox> a quick ls cmd gives grub rescue> ls (hd0) (hd0,gpt3) (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1) grub rescue> _
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• 2395[18:10:05] <SagelessFox> I belive gpt3 is the grub partition, gpt2 is the root partition, gpt 1 is a swap partition
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• 2397[18:10:35] <SagelessFox> and hd0 is the hardisk those partitions are on
• 2398[18:10:38] <perr-paranoic> Hi, I have this problem: replaced-url
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• 2400[18:11:17] <petn-randall> perr-paranoic: You left out a lot of context, making it impossible to answer.
• 2401[18:11:19] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2402[18:11:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2403[18:11:22] <petn-randall> !context
• 2404[18:11:22] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on replaced-url
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• 2406[18:12:07] <SagelessFox> petn-randall any idea on my case? :/
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• 2408[18:12:37] <perr-paranoic> Hi petn-randall It is the same problem of yesterday, I can't update, error key with the message in "apper" that I pasted
• 2409[18:12:49] <jhutchins_wk> SagelessFox: You could try booting to a live/rescue image and checking the filesystems.
• 2410[18:13:42] <SagelessFox> I can boot into a live image, but then what should I do? try to install grub again manually?
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• 2415[18:16:20] <petn-randall> perr-paranoic: I don't remember the details of yesterday, and probably no one else in the channel. Please provide enough info so other people can help you. See the factoids above to get a rough idea what you should be adding.
• 2416[18:16:23] <killall> i cant install debian 9, my computer in gui mode shows weird squares on screen, and in no gui mode it gets black screen, any help?
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• 2420[18:19:57] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: No idea. But IIRC that means that the boot partition is beyond the 2GB mark, so you'd have to reinstall with /boot being below that mark.
• 2421[18:20:17] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: If in doubt, updating the BIOS might also help in some corner cases.
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• 2425[18:21:58] <SagelessFox> so the boot partition has to be placed before 2gb mark? petn-randall
• 2426[18:22:20] <SagelessFox> what if it starts from 0 gb and goes all the way to 15 GB
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• 2429[18:22:36] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: Then you can't boot from that.
• 2430[18:22:46] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: Unless you use UEFI. AFAIR.
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• 2433[18:24:00] <SagelessFox> duh this may explain why I can't boot my os :/ debian auto partitioner uses percentages to partition the disk, and that gives the boot partition a huge volume on some large disks
• 2434[18:24:33] <perr-paranoic> petn-randall, I can't update and error is like these: replaced-url
• 2435[18:24:38] <SagelessFox> ty for the info petn-randall I will reinstall the OS : |
• 2436[18:25:46] <petn-randall> perr-paranoic: I don't speak Italian.
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• 2439[18:26:09] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: If you can, I'd go with UEFI. It allows for a few things that you can't do in classic bios.
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• 2443[18:27:55] <perr-paranoic> petn-randall, first output is after sudo apt-get update. Second was my sources.list
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• 2445[18:28:19] <SagelessFox> its a server board from 2016, dont think efi works on that tho
• 2446[18:28:20] <SagelessFox> :/
• 2447[18:28:30] <perr-paranoic> petn-randall, I think that maybe this is for me, but I can't do all : replaced-url
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• 2449[18:30:27] <perr-paranoic> Maybe It is a bug...
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• 2453[18:31:52] <SagelessFox> okay so I am in the partitioning menu petn-randall. I used to auto partition it, and now my partitions are as follows: biosgrub-1.0 mb | ext4 for / -4.0TB | swap 34.3 GB does that look good?
• 2454[18:32:23] <hdks> Yep
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• 2456[18:33:29] <SagelessFox> but how can it fail to boot when I installed rootfs on it and trying to boot
• 2457[18:33:33] <SagelessFox> hdks
• 2458[18:33:39] * jelly looks at debian-installer's auto partitioner's results and cries
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• 2461[18:34:10] <SagelessFox> why jelly
• 2462[18:34:19] <jelly> because huge single fs
• 2463[18:34:38] <SagelessFox> I'd say its fine as long as it boots
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• 2465[18:34:51] <SagelessFox> but now it doesnt :/ obviously, so whats wrong
• 2466[18:35:03] <jelly> machine in BIOS or UEFI boot mode?
• 2467[18:35:08] <SagelessFox> bios
• 2468[18:35:40] <perr-paranoic> petn-randall, when I try to update: replaced-url
• 2469[18:35:52] <SagelessFox> error: attempt to read or write outside of disk "hd0" entering rescue mode... grub rescue> _ jelly
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• 2473[18:36:12] <SagelessFox> this is what I got when I tried to boot it
• 2474[18:36:24] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: The autopartitioner is doing crap there. You need a /boot that is maybe ~500 MB large right after the biosgrub one. And also 34GB for swap is too large.
• 2475[18:36:27] <jelly> SagelessFox: go back to installer, repartition, leave biosgrub partition in place, add a separate /boot of about 500MB-1GB, and then a swap and a /
• 2476[18:37:12] <jelly> THEORETICALLY new grub should be able to deal with a 4TB / on GPT, but who knows why it fails
• 2477[18:37:15] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: Unless you want to hibernate with your server. In that case your swap should be at least as large as your RAM.
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• 2483[18:38:02] <SagelessFox> aww :/ okay petn-randall jelly, ty, I will ass the partition for grub :/
• 2484[18:38:08] <SagelessFox> add*
• 2485[18:38:10] <SagelessFox> duh
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• 2487[18:38:17] <petn-randall> jelly: Even with BIOS? It thought the whole issue was that in that early mode it's impossible to address beyond the 2TB space?
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• 2490[18:39:14] <petn-randall> perr-paranoic: You're doing random things and you're still providing not even basic info here. Sorry, I can't help you.
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• 2492[18:39:58] <jelly> petn-randall: but grub has access to its stage 2 bits so it can load its own drivers
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• 2494[18:40:42] <petn-randall> It could probably be fixed in 5 minutes of focused work, so I don't know why you're providing random things and trying random things without understanding the underlying issue.
• 2495[18:40:49] <petn-randall> jelly: I see, good to know.
• 2496[18:41:49] <SagelessFox> is ext4, 1500 mb mounted on /boot good for the " add a separate /boot of about 500MB-1GB" partition?
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• 2498[18:42:06] <SagelessFox> and bootable flag is off
• 2499[18:42:08] <jelly> I'm just guessing, it's entirely possible grub relies on bios for disk access and only has drivers for various filesystems/raid/lvm
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• 2502[18:42:40] <jelly> SagelessFox: ext3, that's too much, and bootable flag really doesn't matter for linux
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• 2504[18:42:52] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: It's fine, though I'd personally make it smaller. It only needs to hold the kernel+initramfs which is about 30MB per installed kernel.
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• 2506[18:43:26] <SagelessFox> so 500 mb, ext3, typical usage standard? petn-randall
• 2507[18:43:34] <jelly> something like that yes
• 2508[18:43:46] <petn-randall> jelly: I've always used ext4 for it, but I guess it's a matter of taste.
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• 2510[18:44:17] <SagelessFox> jelly it'd be ironic if grub doesnt support a server board. can't imagine boards that can only run windows
• 2511[18:44:20] * jelly conservative and likes having the choice of going back to grub-legacy or even lilo if need be
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• 2515[18:44:51] <jelly> SagelessFox: grub has different versions for bios and uefi, it ought to deal
• 2516[18:45:14] <perr-paranoic> petn-randall, I want to help you to solve, I don't know how I can do...
• 2517[18:45:21] <petn-randall> SagelessFox: Btw, a 2016 server board should boot in UEFI fine.
• 2518[18:45:21] <SagelessFox> :/ and debian is only shipped with...a few of them?
• 2519[18:45:36] <perr-paranoic> I can't update and I have an error...
• 2520[18:45:44] <SagelessFox> aww
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• 2524[18:46:18] <petn-randall> perr-paranoic: Start by providing a single paste running the command you have an issue + the output. Also add details, like if it's a fresh install, or an upgrade, etc. And also when the issue showed up first.
• 2525[18:46:33] <petn-randall> perr-paranoic: You can use this to show output in english:
• 2526[18:46:36] <petn-randall> !localized errors
• 2527[18:46:37] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 2529[18:47:43] <jelly> too many pe*-* people, I can't deal
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• 2533[18:50:01] <petn-randall> jelly: Claim your namespace early!
• 2534[18:50:49] <donofrio> in cron talk what does /mean? "*/5 * * * * cmdtoberun" ?
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• 2536[18:51:30] <mutante> donofrio: every 5 min
• 2537[18:51:37] <mutante> as opposed to "at 5 min after the hour"
• 2538[18:51:42] <donofrio> oh just never seen "/" before
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• 2540[18:51:45] <petn-randall> donofrio: 'man 5 crontab' will tell you.
• 2541[18:51:54] <mutante> it's to do the repeating thing "every"
• 2542[18:52:02] <SopaXorzTaker> When I install memtest86+, it doesn't boot from GRUB
• 2543[18:52:04] <donofrio> k
• 2544[18:52:05] <donofrio> tnx
• 2545[18:52:08] <mutante> yw
• 2546[18:52:16] <SopaXorzTaker> E.g. it remains at the grub screen and I do hear it beep, so maybe it's running
• 2547[18:52:30] <SopaXorzTaker> But I don't see any output, the screen just stays the same
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• 2555[19:01:18] <jelly> SopaXorzTaker: and memtest86 without plus, the same?
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• 2558[19:04:30] <SopaXorzTaker> jelly, I haven't figured yet a way to run that :P
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• 2560[19:04:40] <SopaXorzTaker> I don't have a free USB drive
• 2561[19:04:52] <perr-paranoic> petn-randall, this is error in "apper" replaced-url
• 2562[19:04:55] <SopaXorzTaker> nor does Grub want to boot it using that thing whose name I forgot
• 2563[19:05:11] <SopaXorzTaker> grml-rescueboot, that is
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• 2565[19:05:37] <SagelessFox> god it boots!
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• 2567[19:05:52] <SagelessFox> ty jelly petn-randall
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• 2569[19:06:04] <SagelessFox> it is the 2gb grub installation dir problem
• 2570[19:06:15] <SopaXorzTaker> also, I think I broke grub
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• 2573[19:06:32] <SopaXorzTaker> since it now boots into a scaled, low-res shell instead of the proper one if I trigger it
• 2574[19:06:35] <SopaXorzTaker> It still works, tho
• 2575[19:06:35] <jelly> ,i grml-rescueboot
• 2576[19:06:36] <judd> Package grml-rescueboot (admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: Integrates Grml ISO booting into GRUB. Version: 0.4.7; Size: 6.4k; Installed: 29k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2632[19:39:12] <rant> is it just me or does chromium in stretch (amd64) not have minimize/mazimize buttons? I use a rather archaic wm so ya never know.. heh
• 2633[19:39:47] <rant> its kind of annoying that I keep having to use my wm to minimize/maximize this window cause its frame has no buttons for it
• 2634[19:40:46] <greycat> Never used chromium, but google-chrome draws its own buttons in the upper right corner that look nothing like the buttons on every other window (which are done by my WM).
• 2635[19:41:07] <jelly> rant: perhaps your gtk theme is borked, Settings -> Appearance -> Use system title and borders is enabled or disabled?
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• 2637[19:42:07] <jelly> disclaimer: I, also, run and read that from the Google branded Chrome build, not Debian's Chromium build
• 2638[19:42:10] <rant> heh.. you assume my wm would give two shits whats in there :P
• 2639[19:42:26] <jelly> chromium would give shits
• 2640[19:42:35] <rant> it does have the ability to control the frame but as greycat says chromium is odd
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• 2642[19:42:42] <rant> hmm.. that may be
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• 2644[19:44:14] <jelly> and if your wm does not obey whatever freedesktop standard about desired window border and title existence then it might be missing chromium's advice about that
• 2645[19:44:16] <rant> yeah there is no mention of that in MATE's appearance settings and the window settings wont launch cause the wm is unsupported.. but I can use sawfish-ui to force that window to use its frame
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• 2647[19:44:52] <jelly> did you know: window border and title and all the bits around the actual window are sometimes called... chrome
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• 2649[19:45:03] <rant> chrome seems to somehow tell sawfish not to use the frame but I dont have any rules setup for it
• 2650[19:45:06] <vook> rant: if chromium is anything like chrome, you can right click on the top of the window, and click "use system title bar and borders" to get wm controls
• 2651[19:45:32] <jelly> ooh, that's easier than hunting thru settings
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• 2653[19:46:30] <greycat> Turning on "use system title bars and borders" and then restarting my WM makes it get the WM's regular title bar and buttons and stuff, but I think I'll go back to the default, because I'm not that concerned with it.
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• 2655[19:47:16] <jelly> should not require a wm restart, but if that's what wfy
• 2656[19:47:24] <rant> the use system blah blah blah in chrome just makes even the X disappear, but setting a rule in sawfish and telling it to use a normal frame works
• 2657[19:47:33] <vook> can't roll up with chrome's default title bar, kind of an important for me.
• 2658[19:47:47] <rant> yeah sawfish is written in lisp, dont need to restart or even save anything
• 2659[19:47:55] <greycat> rant: did you try restarting the WM after changing that setting?
• 2660[19:48:21] <rant> greycat: I did not, but I never needed to restart sawfish for any settings
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• 2665[19:51:40] <rant> I am gonna compile sawfish from upstream eventually.. got the sources sitting in my homedir.. there are a couple new hooks in sawfish-ui and should fix a few bugs in the debian version like that annoying error about gnome when it first runs :P
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• 2667[19:52:45] <rant> would there be any point reporting minor bugs like that in a package like sawfish that isnt very actively developed/maintained?
• 2668[19:53:03] <rant> used to be stable didnt really get minor fixes.. idk about now.
• 2669[19:53:26] <greycat> I'm no WM guru, but my understanding is that when google-chrome starts up in default mode, it tells the WM "don't touch me, I'm'a do my own thing here", and then the WM leaves it alone. If you toggle that setting, the WM has to be told to look at it again, to know that it's no longer asking to be left alone.
• 2670[19:53:43] <rant> a app starting all the time with an error message is a bit annoying but not really a security or usability bug
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• 2674[19:55:00] <rant> well idk about that scenario as its not very common.. media players in windows do crap like that.. but I do know sawfish's window matchers only take effect when the window is first created
• 2675[19:55:15] <greycat> that makes sense too
• 2676[19:55:54] <greycat> for me, restarting the WM is a lot less involved than restarting the browser
• 2677[19:55:56] <rant> you'd have to use the console or bindings to change existing windows. or the window menu which isnt accessible unless the window has a normal frame
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• 2679[19:56:18] <rant> yeah.. for me I gotta deal with that stupid gnome error message again :P
• 2680[19:56:41] <rant> which is what reminded me I had upstream sawfish sources sitting in my homedir I havent built yet :P
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• 2683[19:57:18] <rant> I do like some of those new hooks in sawfish ui, like the ability to bind a command to resizing a window to a specified size
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• 2685[19:57:27] <Andarista> hy
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• 2688[19:57:42] <Andarista> anjing
• 2689[19:58:05] <Andarista> woy, ada yg masih hidup ga ?
• 2690[19:58:28] <Andarista> hacker ko termux
• 2691[19:58:40] <greycat> !id
• 2692[19:58:40] <dpkg> Silahkan kunjungi channel #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) untuk bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia. For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org)
• 2693[19:58:44] <rant> idk how the hell the maintainer wound up with that error cause gnome hasnt use sawfish in over 10 years.. yet when the sretch version of sawfish starts up it looks for some gnoem executable
• 2694[19:58:57] <Andarista> fuck you all
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• 2696[19:59:27] <Andarista> h
• 2697[19:59:30] <rant> even when gnome did use sawfish it didnt get started by sawfish, gnoem-session started sawfish
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• 2699[19:59:43] <Andarista> fuck
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• 2707[20:02:53] <nik> hey, i'm trying to get the .deb file for a debian package. I don't see any links to a .deb here: replaced-url
• 2708[20:03:29] <greycat> At the bottom of the page it says "Download network-manager" and a list of links to the .debs by arch.
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• 2710[20:03:39] <nik> ah - just got it. thanks
• 2711[20:03:56] <greycat> or, well, I guess they're links to some stupid content delivery system :(
• 2712[20:04:37] <greycat> your guess is as good as mine what'll happen if you right-click, copy link address, and paste it onto a wget command in a server's terminal window
• 2713[20:04:58] <nik> heh it's okay - just the main ftp.us mirror link works there
• 2714[20:05:19] <nik> i accidentally broke my network connection with an `apt purge network-manager` :P
• 2715[20:05:46] <nik> "network-manage? who needs that.." then i couldn't get my interface set up using the etc files in /etc/networking, lol
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• 2717[20:06:30] <jelly> you might set things up manually with ip, and iw, and dhclient
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• 2720[20:07:04] <nik> yeh - i wanna do that eventually. but maybe i should get that working *before* completely removing network-manager
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• 2727[20:11:02] <dionysus69> cant access VM port , how can I troubleshoot this? port is open for sure and I dont have any firewalls
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• 2730[20:11:17] <dionysus69> iptables has acceptance policies
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• 2746[20:19:04] <jelly> dionysus69: are you talking about traffic coming in to your debian system, or coming out and going somewhere else?
• 2747[20:19:25] <dionysus69> ok nvm, seems like the problem is with the service
• 2748[20:19:35] <dionysus69> service is running but needs authorization
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• 2750[20:19:50] <dionysus69> but I still don't get why it shows as closed
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• 2760[20:22:29] <jelly> what shows as closed
• 2761[20:22:38] <jelly> !ask
• 2762[20:22:38] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2766[20:24:06] <greycat> people who use the words "open" and "closed" are usually nmap users, using nmap for things nmap isn't meant to do, and expecting that everyone else shares and understands this bizarre, nmap-centric view of networks and ports
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• 2770[20:26:08] <jelly> sure, but I prefer a confirmation of what a user is actually talking about instead of offering advice based on a guess
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• 2772[20:26:52] <nik> greycat: can you recommend any resources for getting out of this line of thinking? i've been going through replaced-url
• 2773[20:26:59] <jelly> otherwise "run tcpdump on the server and see if incoming traffic actually reaches the system" might just not apply
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• 2776[20:27:51] <greycat> nik: use ss or netstat *on* the server to see what ports are being LISTEN'ed to, by what.
• 2777[20:28:00] <nik> cool
• 2778[20:28:21] <SagelessFox> greycat its better to use "the server is responding on this port or its not responding on this port" lul
• 2779[20:28:50] <SagelessFox> but port level hacking is still considered low end anyways :/
• 2780[20:29:04] <jelly> what's a "port"? Are they talking about a service with a tcp listener or something else?
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• 2783[20:29:38] <elios> 💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖
• 2784[20:29:45] <elios> 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦💦 💖 💖 💖 💦💦
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• 2786[20:29:46] <SagelessFox> port port port
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• 2791[20:29:49] <greycat> SagelessFox: it's not a 0 or 1. An attempted TCP connection can succeed, or it can time out, or it can be rejected. If it's rejected, then either there's nothing LISTENing on that port at all, or a firewall rejected the packet before it could communicate with the service -- and to differentiate those two, you need to be logged in on the server.
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• 2795[20:30:14] <greycat> SagelessFox: so there are at least 4 possibilities, maybe more
• 2796[20:30:18] <SagelessFox> oh I see colors elios
• 2797[20:30:20] <SagelessFox> ded elios
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• 2800[20:30:57] <SagelessFox> wait
• 2801[20:31:04] <jelly> there's a #debian-offtopic for unicode escapades!
• 2802[20:31:19] <onectin> Hello, I'm trying to find a beginner-friendly (so no terminal) way to move files and copy/paste files in ssh. So far, when I do a copy/paste through Nemo (openning the connection via Files > Connect to a Server), the copy speed is so slow that I supsect that the buffer is on my machine, and not on the remote server. So is there a software that allow to do distant copy/paste. Does that make sense ? Thanks
• 2803[20:31:20] <SagelessFox> greycat, wont a free port(no server listening on) result a timeout?
• 2804[20:31:31] <greycat> there's an #elios for noise-making without bothering other people
• 2805[20:32:02] <SagelessFox> jelly but its colorful
• 2806[20:32:36] <greycat> SagelessFox: by "free port" do you mean a port with nothing listening on it? No, that should normally give an immediate rejection. A timeout means the server is not turned on, or the network cable is detached, or you've got the wrong IP, or a firewall has been configured to DROP packets instead of rejecting.
• 2807[20:32:48] <SagelessFox> onectin ftp via ssh aka sftp gui tool?
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• 2811[20:33:37] <jelly> (sftp is not "ftp", but is a different protocol for, well, file transfer)
• 2812[20:33:48] <jelly> filezilla?
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• 2814[20:33:56] <jelly> ,v filezilla
• 2815[20:33:57] <judd> Package: filezilla on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.3-2; wheezy-backports: 3.9.0.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.9.0.5-1; stretch: 3.24.0-1; buster: 3.28.0-1; sid: 3.28.0-1
• 2816[20:34:07] <onectin> SagelessFox ha thanks, that's the keyword I was probably missing
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• 2818[20:34:13] <greycat> I'm sure lots of GUI clients that support SFTP also support FTP, which probably doesn't reduce the confusion.
• 2819[20:34:15] <jelly> SagelessFox: or sshfs to mount remote sftp, and any file browser
• 2820[20:34:25] <SagelessFox> got it greycat ty for the knowledge :|
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• 2822[20:34:56] <onectin> jelly thanks, I tried Filezilla, it half does what I want, moving is fine, but there's no way to copy
• 2823[20:35:15] <jelly> I strongly suspect that isn't true :-)
• 2824[20:35:16] <SagelessFox> yw onectin. updated: sftp is not based on ftp by jelly
• 2825[20:35:17] <SagelessFox> lul
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• 2827[20:36:56] <SagelessFox> chuchan
• 2828[20:36:59] <jelly> onectin: honestly, if you have large quantity, or repeat copying often, and both ends are some sort of linux or unix with a shell, have rsync installed on both and use rsync (CLI)
• 2829[20:37:34] <jelly> if you can stomach CLI
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• 2833[20:37:56] <greycat> onectin: who's going to use the SFTP client, and what are they doing with it?
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• 2837[20:39:24] <onectin> I know, but in my specific case, it's a network harddrive on which I'd like the whole family to be able to put documents, they're all on Mint, and they are almost happy with connecting to the harddrive via Nemo, except for this copy/paste issue
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• 2842[20:40:20] <greycat> Are they on Linux-based desktop systems, or laptops, or Android phones, or tablets, or what?
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• 2847[20:41:08] <greycat> If it's desktops on a physical LAN of some kind, just NFS mount the shared directory on each client workstation and let them use "local" file managers to copy stuff to the mounted shared drive.
• 2848[20:41:13] <onectin> All laptops, all Linuxmint, Cinnamon
• 2849[20:41:46] <onectin> (and wifi)
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• 2851[20:41:54] <onectin> Ha, sounds interresting !
• 2852[20:42:07] <greycat> I don't know how NFS works with wifi/laptops.
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• 2856[20:43:20] <greycat> I guess I would look at an autofs-based solution in that case, rather than static NFS mounts, because of the unreliability of the client side.
• 2857[20:43:31] <greycat> Still NFS, just transient.
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• 2860[20:44:21] <onectin> Thanks greycat, I will look into this (half of the words are new to me, so I'll read a bit about it)
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• 2874[20:49:37] <greycat> GNU\colossus: at which part? The use of wifi for a home network with lots of clients reading/writing a central point?
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• 2876[20:51:05] <GNU\colossus> greycat, yeah. I'd be surprised if there was an existing protocol/distributed filesystem that actually could be seen as a good fit for that scenario.
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• 2880[20:51:31] <SagelessFox> hmm... another quick question: a program requested to install libmysqlclient-dev, but in the debian repo there is only default-libmysqlclient-dev. I have installed the later, is there anyway to set up an alias for default-libmysqlclient-dev in apt so my program would assume libmysqlclient-dev is installed?
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• 2882[20:51:51] <jelly> NFS is absolutely craptastic on wifi
• 2883[20:52:00] <greycat> jelly: Hmm, good to know. :(
• 2884[20:52:01] <jelly> even sshfs is better
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• 2886[20:52:23] <jelly> irregular latencies and dropped packets
• 2887[20:52:32] <jolt> jelly: sshfs is surprisingly stable all togetger
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• 2890[20:52:52] <jolt> Still surprised that such a hack still works so good
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• 2895[20:54:20] <greycat> onectin: OK, that's a couple recommendations of sshfs + local file managers.
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• 2912[21:01:17] <RogueYun> With the Windows 10 WSL version of Debian I can't seem to access another console with the Ctrl + Alt + F# commands. Any suggestions?
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• 2914[21:02:11] <greycat> Those virtual consoles are part of the Linux kernel, which obviously does not exist within Windows.
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• 2917[21:04:00] <RogueYun> greycat: What would be a decent alternative? screen? tmux?
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• 2923[21:13:23] <lispmacs> killall: hi, I'm looking at the page, but the answer to my question is not quite clear to me. Of course, anybody can build locally on their own machine, but does Debian use some kind of buildroot to ensure they are using the same compiler version, etc. every time?
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• 2926[21:16:00] <greycat> lispmacs: Not on random Debian installations, no. Your build environment is up to you. Normally, Debian users don't build their own packages. It's a niche use case.
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• 2932[21:18:51] <lispmacs> greycat: so, do the folks who actual release debian, how do they go about ensuring their building environment is consistent? Do they use some kind of buildroot system, or just use the previous distribution toolchain?
• 2933[21:19:02] <greycat> There are dedicated build systems.
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• 2946[21:23:45] <lispmacs> greycat: do they rebuild a toolchain just for the distro build?
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• 2952[21:26:07] <lispmacs> greycat: I'm just wondering because I'm embarking on this project to do installation images for some special hardware and was pondering approaches to keeping the toolchain and build process deterministic
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• 2954[21:26:37] <graff> buildroot is not scaleable
• 2955[21:26:41] <lispmacs> I'm aware of buildroot, but it is more for tiny embedded systems, just curious what Debian uses
• 2956[21:26:45] <graff> lispmacs: ^
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• 2958[21:26:58] <graff> it also has impenetrable makefile code, so it cant easily be improved
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• 2960[21:27:18] <graff> so though it could be, it doesn't lie at the center of any notable distro build systems
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• 2962[21:27:35] <lispmacs> graff: okay, so wondering what the notable distro build systems are
• 2963[21:27:45] <graff> pretty much anybody
• 2964[21:27:53] <graff> from the simplest homemade to debian
• 2965[21:28:02] <graff> buldroot looks like it could power such a thing but it can't
• 2966[21:28:14] <graff> because it has no concept of supporting compilers on target
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• 2969[21:28:35] <graff> ehnce buildroot roots can't rebuild themselves, and are hence useless for distros that standalone
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• 2972[21:29:04] <graff> i wrote a buildroot replacement that could power debian though, it's about 100 loc of code
• 2973[21:29:23] <graff> but the 100000 loc they currently have dictates that such is out of scope
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• 2976[21:29:51] <MrDBT> Is it allowed to post sell offers here?>
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• 2978[21:30:06] <lispmacs> graff: can you point me to that repository for the 100000 loc
• 2979[21:30:33] <graff> lispmacs: the official buildroot project?
• 2980[21:30:46] <graff> it was originally made by eric anderson, you can find it easily with google
• 2981[21:30:56] <lispmacs> graff: oh, I thought you meant debians build system
• 2982[21:31:00] <graff> idk the exact number of loc, but guessing it is nea that
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• 2984[21:31:06] <graff> lispmacs: nah debian uses buildd
• 2985[21:31:07] <MrDBT> ok, I guess so?
• 2986[21:31:14] <graff> MrDBT: nah it is not allowed
• 2987[21:31:17] <MrDBT> oh
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• 2989[21:31:17] <graff> afaik anyway.
• 2990[21:31:24] <MrDBT> what would be a good place for it?
• 2991[21:31:41] <graff> it is really hard to do advertising on irc
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• 2993[21:31:59] <graff> you basically have to wait until your product answers someone's ontopic question
• 2994[21:32:01] <lispmacs> graff: buildd, okay. finally the info I was look for
• 2995[21:32:02] <MrDBT> i have put it for sale on ebay but wouldn't mind skipping the 10% fees for a direct sale
• 2996[21:32:09] <graff> pretty universal from programming to Linux to here
• 2997[21:32:15] <MrDBT> hmm, i see
• 2998[21:32:20] <graff> lispmacs: ah yeah. heh. buildd
• 2999[21:32:20] <MrDBT> that's a shame
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• 3002[21:32:34] <graff> MrDBT: well yeah it is hard. but you will find a method.
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• 3004[21:32:45] <graff> just need to be clever and stay on topic
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• 3008[21:33:53] <graff> you might try #debian-offtopic if you just want to chat with programmers, volunteers, sysadmins and such
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• 3024[21:41:54] <petn-randall> MrDBT: I doubt anyone would buy it from a stranger over IRC though, since you at least get some level of protection buying over a platform.
• 3025[21:42:20] <MrDBT> well paypal goods&services payment gives you full paypal buyer protection, is that insufficient?
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• 3091[22:16:11] <perr-paranoic> Hi, I can't update debian, help me please!
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• 3094[22:16:47] <petn-randall> …
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• 3096[22:16:57] <petn-randall> Are we going to play this game tomorrow, too?
• 3097[22:17:03] <jolt> Clearest error message ever!
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• 3099[22:17:41] <petn-randall> Two days in a row, and we didn't even get basic debug info yet.
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• 3102[22:17:59] <greycat> I guess he hopes that one day he'll be here when the mind-reader is here.
• 3103[22:18:55] <greycat> !magic 8-ball
• 3104[22:18:55] <dpkg> My reply is no.
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• 3220[23:35:26] <`Koyaanisqatsi> The wacom logging in xorg seems buggy. The Xorg logs get ballooned up in size with errors but the wacom tablet works. I symlinked /var/log/Xorg.0.log to /dev/null but is there a better way to do this?
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• 3249[23:50:17] <karlpinc> `Koyaanisqatsi: You could rotate and compress the logs more often, although I don't know if X keeps it's log open. If so maybe there's a signal it could be sent so the logs could rotate.
• 3250[23:50:55] <`Koyaanisqatsi> karlpinc, that's not a better way imo
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• 3263[23:55:28] <kruug> attempting to add a repository to apt and then install from it, but I get "Reading from proxy failed" error 115
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• 3266[23:55:57] <kruug> I'm using the apt-cache server, documented here: replaced-url
• 3267[23:56:53] <kruug> Ah, I think I found the issue...
• 3268[23:57:02] <kruug> repository is https. apt-cacher-ng is set for http
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