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5 [00:03:55] <XsiSec> Hi guys how do I disable -->
'snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC1D0'?
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45 [00:27:47] <jhutchins> !pulseaudio
46 [00:27:47] <dpkg> PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a
cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in
replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0
"Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after
installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific
how-to is at
replaced-url
47 [00:29:10] <jhutchins> psichas: Open a browser. Point it at
your favorite search engine. Type in dircolors.
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105 [01:07:56] <annadane> is there an xfce screensaver package in
the repo, i did a search and couldn't really find one, and it
doesn't appear in my settings manager whereas it did before
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107 [01:08:43] <annadane> via apt search screensaver | grep -i
screensaver i notice xdg-utils which i have installed
108 [01:08:53] <annadane> err, i mean grep -i installed
109 [01:09:55] <annadane> maybe this xfce just doesn't have
an automatic screensaver
110 [01:10:38] <annadane> ignore me, dumb question
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136 [01:37:55] <annadane> hmm, i installed the kernel from
backports and then removed it, it had previously installed apparmor,
yet apparmor does not now appear in the apt autoremove list, i
wonder why
137 [01:38:07] <psichas> jhutchins, why my terminal text
don't blink?
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140 [01:38:55] <hypn0> I just got a rectangle
141 [01:38:57] <annadane> maybe because i only removed it, not
purged it?
142 [01:39:35] <hypn0> why use sceensavers :-/
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146 [01:42:30] <annadane> purging it with -s seems to not do it,
either
147 [01:42:33] <annadane> maybe apparmor is special
148 [01:43:32] <annadane> or maybe removing packages from
backports won't do that
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177 [02:17:46] <rant> annadane: installing mate-screensaver or
xscreensaver should probably resolve that
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186 [02:22:20] <CodeHunter> Can anyone please help me with
getting xrandr to center my screen? I created a new mode using the
maximum resolution for my monitor but the screen is not centered. It
is off to the left.
187 [02:22:51] <rant> CodeHunter: you should probably correct tha
on your monitor not in X
188 [02:23:09] <rant> some monitors even have auto positioning
189 [02:23:20] <rant> and most will remember position settings
for each display mode
190 [02:23:47] <rant> so tweaking X which with xrandr isn
permanent/persistant rather than your monitor is probably
counterintuitive
191 [02:23:49] <CodeHunter> When I use the mode it choose
(1024x768) it centers. I will try that.
192 [02:24:02] <rant> just keep the mode you want, but set the
monitor
193 [02:24:02] <CodeHunter> Thank you
194 [02:24:10] <CodeHunter> brb
195 [02:24:15] <rant> its remembering the positioning for each
mode
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197 [02:24:31] <rant> once you set it, it should stay that way
198 [02:25:04] <CodeHunter> Thst fixed it.
199 [02:25:10] <CodeHunter> That fixed it
200 [02:25:29] <CodeHunter> Thank you for your help.
201 [02:25:44] <rant> um.. ok.. not sure if you took my advice or
not :P
202 [02:25:53] <CodeHunter> I did.
203 [02:26:04] <rant> ah, sounded like you were just using a
different resolution
204 [02:26:28] <CodeHunter> I chose the 1600x1200 resolution that
I made, then I hit the 'Auto' on the monitor and waited
for it to end and all is centered.
205 [02:26:31] <rant> but yeah its better to adjust the display
in this case unless its horribly off beyond what the display can
correct
206 [02:26:35] <CodeHunter> Is that what you said to do?
207 [02:26:48] <rant> yes.. my viewsonic has an autoadjust too
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211 [02:27:14] <CodeHunter> I am running a samsung 21.3 inch
monitor max res 1600x1200
212 [02:27:24] <rant> this way it resets what the monitor
considers "Default" position for that mode, allowing the
machine to still use what it considered "default" or
"centered"
213 [02:27:44] <rant> doing it on the X side would be tricky to
make persistent then it'd be off anytime you used another
display or mode
214 [02:27:46] <CodeHunter> Thank you.
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216 [02:28:01] <CodeHunter> Yeah that makes sense.
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220 [02:29:20] <rant> I hit the auto position by accident on my
viewsonic a lot cause it has 4 buttons 1 < > 2 and usually 1
is menu and 2 is select, and the arrows move, but if you press 2
when not in a menu it autopositions
221 [02:29:40] <rant> which depending on what's on your
screen at the time.. heh.. it can confuse auto positioning
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225 [02:33:00] <CodeHunter> This one has 6 "Auto"
"Exit/Source" "-" "+" "Menu"
"Power"
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227 [02:34:02] <CodeHunter> I use multiple monitors with dual
inputs and have different PCs use them. The "Source" will
swap between the inputs on the Samsung.
228 [02:34:05] <rant> yeah sometimes you gota do manual adjust
cause the auto doesnt always get it right.. depends on whats on the
screen at the time
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230 [02:34:31] <rant> I use a samsung 24" tv as my main
display
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233 [02:34:47] <CodeHunter> Widescreen or full screen (4:3)?
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235 [02:35:14] <rant> the tv is 16:9, my viewsonic is 17"
5:4
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238 [02:35:34] <CodeHunter> I believe this samsung is 4:3
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242 [02:35:53] <CodeHunter> I have 2 samsung 4:3 monitors and a
ew 16:9 monitors.
243 [02:36:02] <rant> at least I think its 5:4 nattive.. might be
4:3
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245 [02:36:04] <CodeHunter> and a few
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256 [02:36:38] <CodeHunter> I prefer the old 4:3 but trying to
adapt to the 16:9
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258 [02:37:00] <CodeHunter> The acer I use is LED instead of LCD
259 [02:37:03] <rant> I just realized after months of using PC
speakers that DP does audio.. my machine only has DisplayPort and I
am using a DP->HDMI converter and thought DP didnt do audio :P
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261 [02:37:20] <CodeHunter> lol
262 [02:37:42] <dvs> oops
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268 [02:38:01] <rant> I'd never used DisplayPort before.. I
just assumed since it had Display in the name.. heh
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270 [02:38:18] <rant> HDMI kinda implies it does more than just
video
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275 [02:39:18] <CodeHunter> I have an older PC that runs a
display port that ran debian but something went wrong on it and I
haven't bothered to fix it. I should sometime.
276 [02:39:55] <CodeHunter> POssibly the HD went on it. I just
had an SSD die after only a month of use
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279 [02:40:14] <dvs> no surprise
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282 [02:40:34] <rant> I've been using one of thes HP Thin
Client's, a t520 it works beautifully with debian.. supports
two displays either via 2 DisplayPorts or as I've been using it
1DP and 1VGA.
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287 [02:42:26] <CodeHunter> I am running the HP workstation z230
here. DV-I and 2 DP outputs, but I only use the DV-I fpr now.
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293 [02:43:38] <rant> I was considering saving up for a HP Z2
Mini G3 workstation.. they say those can run 6 displays.. but
I'm pretty satisfied with this much cheaper option :P
294 [02:44:09] <CodeHunter> This one I bought without the HD and
4GB RAM for $160
295 [02:44:14] <lessthan0> I did some reading about 4K align of
partitions and I think I am brave enough to try it without a backup
296 [02:44:20] <CodeHunter> I am now running 12GB ram
297 [02:44:25] <lessthan0> there is no data on that machine
anyway
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299 [02:44:39] <rant> yeah well desktops can be built more
cheaply and modular like.. but I was looking for somehing small
300 [02:44:50] <lessthan0> the debian rescue shell has both fdisk
and parted
301 [02:45:45] <CodeHunter> I have an old and quite small HP
system here and it is a pest to work inside it. Slimline s7600e
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303 [02:47:22] <rant> yeah well I only took this apart to clean
it and make sure the thermal paste was good and not all dried out..
as these thin clients have no fans.. most the work you do on small
form factor machines like these with SoC is done on the outside
anyhow :P
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310 [02:51:42] <rant> that Z2 Mini G3 though was like a desktop
in mini form though.. had Core i cpu, discreet gpu, etc.. was rated
better than alienware's mini
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312 [02:52:13] <rant> they're just like $700 or more
depending on configuration :P
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317 [03:03:47] <Guest43325> Vinci you here
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323 [03:08:04] <lessthan0> intel has the nuc 8 with vega
324 [03:08:10] <lessthan0> not sure if it can linux
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326 [03:08:35] <lessthan0> but it is pretty bad ass for ultra
small high end pc
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329 [03:13:02] <Dat> /wc
330 [03:13:06] <Dat> fail
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335 [03:21:43] <lessthan0> !help /wc
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376 [03:54:43] <linurandy> hello to everyone do you think that
Debian is a great option to install openstack in a prroduction
enviroinment
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384 [03:59:25] <jvava> I was tortured by upgrading debian 9 from
debian 8 for the whole weekend,
385 [03:59:32] <lessthan0> "Devstack attempts to support
Ubuntu 16.04/17.04, Fedora 24/25, CentOS/RHEL 7, as well as Debian
and OpenSUSE."
386 [03:59:57] <lessthan0> it does not say a version for debian
387 [04:00:12] <lessthan0> and ubuntu 17.04 is old
388 [04:00:15] <jvava> "unable to install grub in
dummy", so I format disk and install old debian jessie,
389 [04:00:31] <lessthan0> 16.04 with updates may actually be
better
390 [04:00:37] <lessthan0> centos is closer to AWS
391 [04:00:47] <jvava> this time grub installation successed, but
does not display grub menu.
392 [04:01:09] <lessthan0> I think you could do it on debian
maybe but centos or redhat would probably be closer to the real
world
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394 [04:02:03] <lessthan0> ubuntu and red hat/centos are
different
395 [04:02:16] <jvava> lessthan0: are you a bot?
396 [04:02:23] <lessthan0> red hat or centos are probably better
for larger clouds
397 [04:02:40] <lessthan0> do I look like a bot?
398 [04:02:49] <jvava> yes
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400 [04:02:57] <lessthan0> why do you say that?
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402 [04:05:25] <jvava> blah blah blah and no intention to do
anything
403 [04:06:39] <lessthan0> you assessed that I have no motivation
to do anything from reading a few lines of text?
404 [04:07:21] <jvava> sorry, never mind
405 [04:07:25] <annadane> i am a bot, and i suggest we not have
this offtopic discussion in #debian and derail the ongoing support
questions
406 [04:07:33] <lessthan0> anybody can attack anyone by saying
they blah blah blah this is chat room
407 [04:07:41] <lessthan0> your argument is silly
408 [04:09:26] <jvava> lessthan0, go on
409 [04:09:51] <lessthan0> this is #debian for debian support
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414 [04:17:48] <monty86> anyone opensuse package maintainers
here?
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427 [04:22:58] <rant> why do people keep asking that in here?
428 [04:23:14] <lessthan0> why does the debian guided
partitioning leave 1MB unallocated space between sda1 and sda2?
429 [04:23:24] <lessthan0> is there a functional reason for it?
430 [04:23:28] <rant> what possesses you to come to a channel
where debian users support debian stable and ask if there are
opensuse maintainers?
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433 [04:24:05] <rant> lessthan0: probably not, just the default
alignment setting most likely
434 [04:24:50] <lessthan0> its not worth the trouble to worry
about it I guess
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437 [04:25:13] <rant> partitions can be aligned a number of ways
and most often they are aligned by some physical geometry which
doesnt really coincide with the logical values given
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439 [04:25:46] <lessthan0> well it is 4K aligned
440 [04:26:06] <lessthan0> the sda1 starts at sector 2048 which
is also 1MB aligned
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442 [04:26:26] <lessthan0> so it has maximum compatibility for
the boot partition sda1
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444 [04:26:36] <rant> yeah well its like slicing a pie in
quarters (4 slices physical) and you saying you only want 180
calories of pie.. when a slice is 400cal or something
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446 [04:26:57] <lessthan0> but I don't see why they skip
exactly 1MB before sda2
447 [04:27:03] <rant> only difference is this isn't just
gonna say NO PIE FOR YOU
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449 [04:28:04] <lessthan0> probably it aligns sda1 and sda2 to
1MB and align to 4K
450 [04:29:05] <lessthan0> so that unallocated space 1MB is
probably a few bytes smaller than the 2048 sectors it would take to
= 1MB
451 [04:30:04] <lessthan0> the LVM mappper probably needs to
address in chunks of 2048 sectors 512 bytes each
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453 [04:30:42] <lessthan0> I learned a lot today. today was a
good day.
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456 [04:34:33] <jvava> these little gap between partitions is
wasting, right?
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459 [04:35:25] <lessthan0> wasting 1MB but I have a 1TB drive
460 [04:35:36] <lessthan0> and I think it is required for the LVM
mapper
461 [04:35:54] <jvava> but my root partition has only 8G,
462 [04:36:01] <lessthan0> so I can't change it without
breaking the boot loader that depends on LVM
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465 [04:36:50] <lessthan0> 8000MB
466 [04:37:16] <lessthan0> how much ram do you have?
467 [04:37:34] <lessthan0> no swap partition probably on a 8GB
drive
468 [04:37:54] <jvava> I saw these unallocated space at the
beginning and end, and place between ntfs partions and ext4
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470 [04:38:02] <jvava> lessthan0: 8G ram
471 [04:38:16] <lessthan0> you don't need a swap partition
472 [04:38:20] <jvava> yes
473 [04:38:32] <jvava> swap really is another waste
474 [04:38:46] <linurandy> i think that in debian 10 should
appear django >=2.0
475 [04:38:49] <lessthan0> I think it slows the machine down but
I could be wrong
476 [04:39:01] <jvava> because when it is used, the system become
too slow to endure
477 [04:39:09] <lessthan0> in older versions of ubuntu I did live
usb with persistent storage
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479 [04:39:24] <rustbuckett> it's my understanding that swap
is only really used if your ram is full (or almost full)
480 [04:39:30] <lessthan0> if I also did swap on the usb 8GB
drive it would be super slow
481 [04:40:11] <lessthan0> I think ubuntu 14 was just checking
how much ram + swap you have and it would use it all to speed up
thunderbird
482 [04:40:47] <jvava> seem that can be tuned, such as what
percent mem then swap
483 [04:40:59] <lessthan0> but if it was shared with the boot
drive it would be putting twice the IO to the USB flash drive
484 [04:41:41] <jvava> but as soon as swap is used, the system
become super slow, so have to swap off, it is a notebook
485 [04:41:42] <lessthan0> so instead of going faster it would
just go super slow
486 [04:42:15] <lessthan0> I think the persistent storage was
casper and casper is compressed
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489 [04:42:38] <lessthan0> probably used the swap as ram to
compress and decompress casper on the fly
490 [04:42:54] <lessthan0> like 4 times the IO
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494 [04:45:20] <jvava> lessthan0, have you upgraded to debian 9?
495 [04:45:42] <lessthan0> I just installed debian 9.4 for the
first time last week
496 [04:45:46] <lessthan0> I love it
497 [04:46:36] <jvava> I have not, there a failure to install
grub efi
498 [04:46:37] <lessthan0> I tried red hat gnome, kde, ubuntu,
ubuntu mate, ubuntu lxde, xfce,
499 [04:47:07] <lessthan0> I forced EFI in the bios so the
installer for debian is definitely running in EFI %100
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501 [04:47:43] <lessthan0> it took a few days of research to
understand everything that the installer failed to do properly
502 [04:47:46] <jvava> I do, but now the dual boot does not work,
each time it startup win10 directly
503 [04:47:53] <jvava> without grub menu to select
504 [04:48:02] <lessthan0> the installer is not %100 perfect on
every bios
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506 [04:48:31] <jvava> yes
507 [04:48:38] <lessthan0> ok I think I can help
508 [04:48:59] <lessthan0> what did you do first. format then
install windows?
509 [04:49:07] <lessthan0> then debian?
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511 [04:49:36] <lessthan0> what motherboard?
512 [04:49:43] <lessthan0> what hard drive?
513 [04:49:52] <jvava> lessthan0, I have win10 and debian jessie,
all works perfectly
514 [04:50:06] <jvava> but yesterday, I upgrade to debian 9
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516 [04:50:16] <lessthan0> and it breaks grub?
517 [04:50:31] <lessthan0> how did you do the install? CD or
network?
518 [04:50:35] <jvava> yes
519 [04:50:40] <lessthan0> I mean the upgrade
520 [04:50:55] <lessthan0> you upgraded or erased debian 8?
521 [04:50:55] <jvava> network, I just run 'apt-get
upgrade' ...
522 [04:50:59] <lessthan0> ok
523 [04:51:06] <lessthan0> and grub breaks?
524 [04:51:14] <jvava> yes
525 [04:51:30] <jvava> it fail to install grub efi
526 [04:51:45] <lessthan0> how did it work before when it was
debian 8. in the bios did it say UEFI windows?
527 [04:51:51] <jvava> and after restart, grub menu did not
display
528 [04:51:57] <lessthan0> or EFI debian?
529 [04:52:09] <jvava> EFI
530 [04:52:17] <lessthan0> so the bios says EFI?
531 [04:52:20] <jvava> yes
532 [04:52:30] <lessthan0> can you boot win 10 now?
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534 [04:53:16] <jvava> yes, and I can boot the debian when I
press f9 and select the efi file of debian
535 [04:53:43] <lessthan0> this is on one hard drive with linux +
win10?
536 [04:53:51] <jvava> yes
537 [04:54:08] <lessthan0> what was installed first, win 10 or
deb 8?
538 [04:54:31] <lessthan0> were you the one that partitioned the
hard drive?
539 [04:54:32] <jvava> win10, hp notebook
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541 [04:54:52] <lessthan0> do you remember how you partitioned
it?
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543 [04:55:08] <jvava> fdisk
544 [04:55:28] <jvava> it works for years, the dual boot
545 [04:55:33] <lessthan0> you have all the windows stuff at the
beginning of the drive and you resize the windows partition to leave
space at the end of the drive correct?
546 [04:55:43] <jvava> I remembed I bought it in 2015
547 [04:55:58] <lessthan0> then fdisk to make ext4 at the end of
the drive?
548 [04:56:30] <jvava> orginally the disk was split into two
partition, each about 200g
549 [04:56:36] <lessthan0> ok
550 [04:56:43] <lessthan0> windows at the beginning
551 [04:56:47] <lessthan0> windows was there first
552 [04:57:02] <lessthan0> then did some partitioning and added
linux
553 [04:57:11] <jvava> then I split the second into 4 for linux
ext4
554 [04:57:22] <jvava> yes
555 [04:57:38] <lessthan0> so / /root /swap /boot
556 [04:57:44] <lessthan0> something like that maybe
557 [04:57:49] <jvava> yes, and /home
558 [04:57:52] <lessthan0> ok
559 [04:57:56] <lessthan0> all ext4?
560 [04:58:00] <jvava> yes
561 [04:58:10] <lessthan0> ok this next part is critical
562 [04:58:16] <jvava> root size is 8g, and home about 200g
563 [04:58:27] <lessthan0> when you installed grub how did you do
it
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565 [04:58:50] <lessthan0> automatic?
566 [04:58:53] <jvava> I installed debian jessie from a usb stick
567 [04:59:24] <lessthan0> there is also #grub
568 [04:59:28] <jvava> grub was installed in the debian
installation stage
569 [04:59:50] <lessthan0> after the installer finished?
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571 [05:00:12] <jvava> I remembered the dual-boot did not worked,
but I forget how I do then it worked.
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573 [05:00:41] <lessthan0> the bios will usually find the linux
boot loader
574 [05:00:46] <jvava> then for years it works, until yesterday
upgrading debian 9
575 [05:00:50] <lessthan0> on most machines it is F8
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577 [05:01:08] <lessthan0> or go into bios setup and select a
boot partition
578 [05:01:19] <lessthan0> you said F9 that could be it
579 [05:01:21] <jvava> no choice in bios
580 [05:01:26] <jvava> yes, f9
581 [05:01:38] <lessthan0> that is the bios then
582 [05:01:44] <lessthan0> just not the setup screen
583 [05:01:59] <lessthan0> the bios looks at the first 4
partitions
584 [05:02:04] <lessthan0> that is all it can do
585 [05:02:09] <lessthan0> it does not need grub
586 [05:02:11] <jvava> yes
587 [05:02:26] <somiaj> uefi vs legacy boot could matter, and
linux secure boot isn't fully supported.
588 [05:02:36] <jvava> I win10 use efi, So debian have to
589 [05:02:38] <lessthan0> but if grub is first on one of those 4
primary partitions then it will know and it will be in the menu in
F9
590 [05:02:46] <somiaj> make sure secure boot is disabled
591 [05:02:50] <jvava> yes
592 [05:02:53] <jvava> disabled
593 [05:03:06] <lessthan0> he could be on UEFI with CSM
594 [05:03:27] <jvava> at last I decided restore to debian jessie
595 [05:03:29] <lessthan0> that is a real mess because CSM works
all different on all different machines
596 [05:03:37] <lessthan0> the boot order is not clear
597 [05:03:45] <jvava> this time grub is installed, but grub menu
does not display
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599 [05:04:01] <lessthan0> well if you can F9 then mission
accomplished
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601 [05:04:18] <jvava> yes, but I wouldn't press f9 each
time
602 [05:04:21] <lessthan0> after you get into linux you can look
at everything
603 [05:04:42] <lessthan0> it is hard for me to look at all the
details
604 [05:04:51] <jvava> it is ok if efi file can be set to default
in bios
605 [05:04:51] <lessthan0> but you can do it with fdisk -l
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607 [05:05:08] <lessthan0> then you can man grub
608 [05:05:32] <lessthan0> and try #grub
609 [05:05:33] <jvava> I feel efibootmgr can do the job, but I
have to recompile kernel to get the module
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613 [05:06:00] <lessthan0> I am lucky that I never had to get to
deep into grub
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616 [05:06:16] <lessthan0> I can edit grub config but the rest I
never needed to do
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618 [05:06:33] <jvava> can I complain win10 here?
619 [05:07:04] <lessthan0> only now this last week I learned how
to read opcodes for jump so I can really dig into boot loaders in
hex
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622 [05:07:47] <lessthan0> I never knew win10 would boot in EFI
623 [05:07:55] <lessthan0> I still don't believe it
624 [05:08:06] <lessthan0> you must be on UEFI/EFI
625 [05:08:08] <jvava> yes, it boot in EFI
626 [05:08:13] <lessthan0> or UEFI with CSM
627 [05:08:20] <jvava> sorry , it is UEFI
628 [05:08:32] <lessthan0> the bios boots win 10 in UEFI always
629 [05:08:46] <jvava> yes
630 [05:08:48] <lessthan0> it is %100 impossible to boot win 10
on EFI only
631 [05:09:01] <jvava> you are right
632 [05:09:16] <jvava> it took a whole day to upgrade win10
633 [05:09:16] <lessthan0> so if you are booting linux with F9
and you know linux boot loader is EFI
634 [05:09:29] <lessthan0> that tells me your bios is backwards
compatible
635 [05:09:46] <lessthan0> there are only 3 ways that can happen
636 [05:09:57] <lessthan0> mixed UEFI/EFI
637 [05:10:06] <jvava> for years I never start win10, but weekend
debian go wrong , so I have to open win 10 to find answer, but it is
super slow,
638 [05:10:08] <lessthan0> F9 select UEFI/EFI
639 [05:10:13] <lessthan0> or UEFI CSM
640 [05:10:20] <jvava> then I try to upgrade win10, but it took a
whole day
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644 [05:11:38] <jvava> and debian root size is only 8g, but the
fucked win10 occupied 200g
645 [05:11:38] <lessthan0> I am gonna stop here because I
can't trouble shoot it any more without being there IRL
646 [05:11:49] <lessthan0> and you already have it working with
F9
647 [05:12:01] <lessthan0> you can fix it with reading about grub
648 [05:12:03] <jvava> yes, thank you lessthan0
649 [05:12:11] <lessthan0> ok your welcome
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653 [05:13:33] <jelly> > <jvava> yes, and I can boot the
debian when I press f9 and select the efi file of debian # this
means you just need to tell EFI to boot that by default, either in
firmware setup, or with efibootmgr
654 [05:14:31] <jelly> that "efi file of debian" _is_
grub, already there
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659 [05:21:13] <jvava> jelly, thank you for assure of that
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661 [05:21:52] <jvava> but the efi file is from debian 8, not
from debian 9, does it matter?
662 [05:22:29] <jvava> debian9 fail to install grub, so I restore
to debian8, and plan to try upgrade 9
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667 [05:25:16] <jelly> if you don't have debian 9 any more
it probably does not matter?
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673 [05:28:34] <jvava> jelly, I will try, thank you very much
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675 [05:31:35] <violentE> okay, I'm a bit new to verifying
iso's but I really wanted to get this down. So I downloaded
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676 [05:31:35] <violentE> signature from "Debian CD signing
key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" [unknown]. I thought
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684 [05:34:49] <Tech_Linux_5000> hi
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723 [06:23:06] <siraben> Is there Wayland support on Debian yet?
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727 [06:26:01] <rpifan> hi
728 [06:26:05] <Tech_Linux_5000> hi
729 [06:26:11] <Tech_Linux_5000> how are you?
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731 [06:26:59] <rpifan> im u
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734 [06:29:32] <Tom-_> !wayland
735 [06:29:32] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and
implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X
Window System. Ask me about <weston>.
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748 [06:37:07] <Tech_Linux_5000> how are you
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754 [06:40:51] <annadane> Tech_Linux_5000, hi. do you have a
debian question?
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756 [06:41:41] <Tech_Linux_5000> annadane: no
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776 [06:53:14] <sulit_> curses lost in the gnome-terminal after
switching input method on debian9+
777 [06:54:01] <sulit_> cursor
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780 [06:54:32] <sulit_> have everyone this problem?
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782 [06:54:54] <sulit_> cursor lost in the gnome-terminal after
switching input method on debian9+
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791 [07:01:25] <demonblue> sulit_, try to provide more details of
what you did and what happened, then define your problem more and
someone may provide an answer
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796 [07:04:52] <sulit_> demonblue, i open the gnome-terminal,
input english(cursor ok), then switch to chinese input method(cursor
lost), cursor also lost in the vim
797 [07:05:26] <sulit_> the input method framework is ibus
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801 [07:07:36] <sulit_> i don't know that , is the problem
ibus bug? or is X driver bug?
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803 [07:08:18] <dgp> Not saying it is an ibus issue but I've
seen weird stuff like that with ibus and switching being english and
japanese
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809 [07:13:20] <Tech_Linux_5000> hi
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811 [07:17:32] <sulit_> dgp, the problem must be take place for
100%
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813 [07:18:27] <sulit_> dgp, i will hava a try for using fcitx
input method.
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849 [07:40:13] <AluCio> hey guys i need help i have a list.txt
with scores about students, the format is, studant: 15.18 name:
larissa score: 10 (9ª) i need edit all the file, to put just
name anda score like it -> larissa:10 someone can help me?
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852 [07:41:29] <dgp> AluCio: you could do it with a shell script.
Read each line, use cut or something to pull out the fields into
variables and the echo out the new format
853 [07:41:58] <dgp> Someone could probably come up with a single
like for awk, perl, etc that could do it doo
854 [07:42:42] <AluCio> but I do not know using programming
language
855 [07:42:50] <AluCio> bashscript
856 [07:42:52] <AluCio> etc..
857 [07:43:42] <dgp> You'll need to find someone to do it
for your or learn then
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862 [07:48:53] <somiaj> awk is farily simple and it will probably
be easier to learn than to get someone to do it for you
863 [07:49:18] <somiaj> If the files are fairly regular, awk will
just call the various things in the line $1, $2, $3, seperated by
spaces.
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874 [07:57:00] <evenom> what is best way to emulate full android
on debian?
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876 [07:58:00] <jim> evenom, there's emulators so that
android devs can debug their code
877 [07:58:27] <AluCio> somiaj
878 [07:58:29] <AluCio> humm
879 [07:58:39] <AluCio> ill look it
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883 [08:01:38] <evenom> jim. should i just go with sdk? i would
rather use virtual box to keep sys management simpler, but cant find
decent opensource project and dont want to mess around to make my
own :/
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899 [08:10:42] <bch> hello, i am trying to install linux kernel
headers (i have 4.16 from backports) and get the following error:
900 [08:10:45] <bch> linux-headers-4.16.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 :
Depends: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 (>= 4.14.17-1~) but
4.9.88-1+deb9u1
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902 [08:11:17] <somiaj> did you include -t stretch-backports in
your install command?
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905 [08:12:22] <bch> no
906 [08:12:49] <bch> thanks, i think that solved my problem!
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908 [08:13:28] <bch> awesome :)
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1024 [09:36:28] <jeo> Hi here. Anyone knows how to get working
with Debian Stretch, Xen and UEFI ? I'm following this :
replaced-url
1025 [09:36:29] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1035 [09:42:46] <babilen> jeo: So, you install the latest Xen
packages and reboot your server and it only shows a single CPU?
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1037 [09:43:52] <jeo> No, I can't even boot to Xen...
1038 [09:44:04] <jeo> Debian works fine, but when I'm
rebooting to Xen, the server hangs to "Loading initial
ramdisk"
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1040 [09:44:26] <jeo> I'm trying to boot on xen.efi, but I
think I'm falling back to grub
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1042 [09:45:04] <babilen> And you're using grub-efi?
1043 [09:45:23] <babilen> What happens if you're simply
installing the packages and reboot? Nothing else should be necessary
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1045 [09:45:40] <jeo> @babilen, Yes, i'm using Grub 2
1046 [09:46:05] <jeo> Simply installing xen-hypervisor-4.8-amd64 ?
1047 [09:46:38] <babilen> indeed
1048 [09:46:46] <jeo> Let's try it
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1050 [09:47:14] <babilen> Well .. what did you try before?
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1052 [09:47:35] <jeo> I'm trying on a fresh server ;)
1053 [09:48:00] <babilen> xen-linux-system-amd64 pulls in utils if
you don't install recommends
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1056 [09:48:13] <jeo> setup seems to be fine :
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1058 [09:48:29] <babilen> Yeah, sure, a fresh server, but what
have you tried before if you never tried installing the Xen packages
beforehand?
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1061 [09:49:39] <jeo> I did try installing Xen packages. But I did
a lot of debug and testing on it
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1068 [09:54:13] <jeo> @babilen, now, server is hanging at
"Loading initial ramdisk"
1069 [09:55:19] <jeo> Just after the grub, I choose "Debian
with Xen Hypervisor"
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1071 [09:57:01] <babilen> Okay, boot into the old kernel and
confirm that you're using grub-efi
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1074 [09:57:32] <babilen> That's not normal behaviour (in
case that wasn't clear) and you probably have to dive deeper
into your server's hardware and software setup
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1077 [09:59:39] <jeo> @babilen, I'm using Grub 2.0.2~beta3-5
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1081 [10:02:50] <jeo> @babilen, That's what I thought, I
tried to switch to legacy bios, but my server have NVME disks, so,
EFI mandatory...
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1109 [10:10:49] <babilen> jeo: Could you *please* verify that
you're using grub-efi (in that you have that package or a
grub-efi-* variant installed). I'd also recommend to take a
look at the resulting grub.cfg and verifying that the paths used
therein are correct
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1115 [10:14:07] <jeo> @babilen, I did have grub-efi :
replaced-url
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1117 [10:15:32] <jeo> @babilen, paths to vmlinux* and initrd*
seems to be ok
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1163 [10:36:13] <XsiSec> Hi guys I had a hard crash in debian, I
am trying to reset only the necessary start-services for debian do
you know where I can find those? (I only want autostart debian own
services).
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1174 [10:41:03] <dkeinath> sili habe liste erhalten wenn ich
gewicht eintrage kannst du die liste wie gebracueh oder muss alles
per hand eingtragen werden ?
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1176 [10:45:10] <jeo> @babilen,
replaced-url
1177 [10:45:15] <jeo> OVH hardware <3
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1189 [10:49:33] <babilen> jeo: well done!
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1194 [10:51:13] <locrian9> stwrt: I tried to see if an
xorg-fonts-type1 package was installed 'pacman -Q | grep
xorg', and I don't see any package with that name.
1195 [10:51:20] <locrian9> I think these are the font paths I have
setup (/usr/share/fonts) (~/.local/share/fonts), however
/var/log/Xorg.0.log is showing, "(WW) The directory
/usr/share/fonts/Type1 does not exist". How is Xorg told to
look for this directory?
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1217 [11:02:50] <santaclauze> my computer is telling me my var
volume is almost full
1218 [11:03:05] <santaclauze> I checked my machine and apparently
my /var/lib is 8gig
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1220 [11:03:13] <santaclauze> any idea why i have this?
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1225 [11:05:40] <Fox> santaclauze: do you habe docker on that
machine ?
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1228 [11:07:04] <santaclauze> yes
1229 [11:07:07] <santaclauze> fox, yes
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1231 [11:07:25] <Fox> santaclauze: btrfs ?
1232 [11:08:03] <santaclauze> fox, I do not know what you are
talking about there
1233 [11:08:27] <petn-randall> santaclauze: Lenovo X series?
1234 [11:09:11] <santaclauze> petn-randall, T430
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1236 [11:09:38] <babilen> santaclauze: I'd recommend to
install ncdu and to take a look what is nomming all that hard disk
space. If it is indeed caused by Docker, you might want to look into
pruning unneeded resources:
replaced-url
1237 [11:10:03] <locrian9> Found that Xorg has the path
'/usr/share/fonts/Type1' somewhere in it's
configuration as one of the directories as a 'default
path'. This is explained in the 'xorg.conf' man page.
1238 [11:10:05] <babilen> (make sure not to delete something you
still require)
1239 [11:10:26] <babilen> locrian9: And you don't want that?
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1245 [11:12:20] <petn-randall> santaclauze: It's a common
issue, you can delete the files
/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/dump-type0-*, and it should go back to
normal.
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1249 [11:12:51] <locrian9> babilen: I was just curious why Xorg
was giving me warnings (WW) about directories it was looking in for
fonts. Now I know that these directories are hard coded in the
binary instructions with Xorg. Just was wondering...
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1251 [11:13:14] <babilen> aye
1252 [11:13:15] <petn-randall> santaclauze: Just make sure to not
delete anything else, older kernel versions allowed deleting EFI
vars that were needed for UEFI to start.
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1254 [11:13:54] <babilen> How do you know its related to that?
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1258 [11:14:15] <babilen> I mean it might very well be, but .. we
haven't actually seen any reliable data
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1262 [11:16:00] <petn-randall> Oh wait, totally misread.
1263 [11:16:29] <santaclauze> babilen, ncdu does not show my the
volumes on my coimputer. Only root and home
1264 [11:16:36] <petn-randall> santaclauze: When you boot, do you
get an error that "efi vars is almost all full. Press F1 to
continue"?
1265 [11:16:47] <petn-randall> santaclauze: Or when do you get
this message?
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1267 [11:17:28] <santaclauze> petn-randall, i dont think that has
changed anything - and NO i do not get that mesdsage a boot. Simply
a small notifiation saying my var volume is almost full, and after
df -h, it shows my /var at 98% used, 8.1gb of 8.2gb
1268 [11:18:11] <petn-randall> santaclauze: Ok, then I misread
what you said, ignore what I said before.
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1270 [11:18:19] * petn-randall starts taking sips on the coffee.
1271 [11:18:56] <santaclauze> petn-randall, k did coffee help? :)
any other suggestoin? I think I arleady had a problem like this, and
i must admit that fox with the docker question did seem to point out
towards something
1272 [11:19:29] <petn-randall> santaclauze: You can find out
running 'ncdu' in /var/, as babilen suggested.
1273 [11:20:23] <annadane> haha with the amount of support i do i
should invest in coffee myself so i don't give tired
non-answers at 6 in the morning
1274 [11:20:34] <annadane> or not spend 15 hours a day on IRC
1275 [11:20:48] <patterson> Life without coffee is not worth
living
1276 [11:21:17] <santaclauze> i dont know, i had a sip of coffee
with gone-off milk, right at that moment, life wihtout coffee seemed
like a good thing
1277 [11:21:18] <patterson> Sortof
1278 [11:21:25] <santaclauze> energy drink instead :)
1279 [11:21:39] <patterson> I can go a couple of weeks without and
the angst is managable
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1282 [11:22:38] <p0g0_> patterson: I lived for a year in NZ in the
1970s... it was memorable for many things, but one that stands out
was _no_ decent coffee.
1283 [11:22:52] <patterson> But, just like the aroma of frying
butter,garlic,onions,celery and black pepper
1284 [11:23:00] <p0g0_> I still feel like I am 1 year shy of my
coffee aliquot.
1285 [11:23:11] <santaclauze> petn-randall babilen, so I ran ncdu
in the /var/ folder but it shows only 600mb usage
1286 [11:26:36] <patterson> Fresh ground beans and a teapot
considering boiling
1287 [11:26:37] <babilen> Did you run "ncdu /var" as
root?
1288 [11:26:51] <babilen> patterson: Do you require help?
1289 [11:27:05] <patterson> I should be OK.
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1292 [11:27:25] <babilen> Okay, please take your idle chatter to
an -offtopic or chat channel.
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1294 [11:27:34] <patterson> Pardon me
1295 [11:28:22] <babilen> santaclauze: Did you run "ncdu
/var" as root?
1296 [11:28:49] <babilen> Also kindly provide us with the output
of "df -h" on one of
replaced-url
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1299 [11:29:09] <babilen> It might very well be docker nomming all
that space if you've been using that for a while
1300 [11:29:33] <babilen> So a "docker $FOO prune" might
sort you out (cf. documentation I linked earlier)
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1305 [11:31:31] <jeo> @babilen, now it's booting, but It
hangs on this :
replaced-url
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1307 [11:31:58] <santaclauze> babilen, yeah is docker, the issue
is from the overlay2 apparently, its a known bug
1308 [11:32:09] <santaclauze> ill take it from here, thanks for
pointing the rihgt directin
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1310 [11:33:06] <babilen> all the best!
1311 [11:33:13] <babilen> jeo: OVH ftw!
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1313 [11:33:38] <jeo> @babilen, about my previous issue, It was
not ovh :
replaced-url
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1316 [11:34:07] <Plasmoduck> I want to split my console into
different sectons, whats the easiest way to do it? ncurses?
1317 [11:34:41] <annadane> tmux/screen?
1318 [11:34:48] <babilen> jeo: How is that related to your problem
and which steps did you take to get it to boot?
1319 [11:34:54] <Plasmoduck> Is so how do I do ittmux
1320 [11:34:56] <Plasmoduck> thats it
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1323 [11:35:13] <annadane> not sure, i don't really use it
1324 [11:35:20] <annadane> i'm sure there's online
documentation is available
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1326 [11:35:38] <jeo> @babilen, I just add this to
/etc/grub/20_linux_xen : -o "\$grub_platform" =
"efi". Now it's booting, but still hangs after
1327 [11:35:38] <annadane> "there's online documentation
is available" i clearly need sleep
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1329 [11:36:15] <babilen> jeo: right
1330 [11:36:34] <jeo> @babilen, I didn't change anything in
BIOS
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1347 [11:49:56] <choice> On my Debian 9 machine, there is a user
'irc'. I don't think I created it. What does it do?
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1349 [11:50:42] <Release_> greetz i keep gettin E: Unable to
locate package build-essential
1350 [11:50:49] <Release_> and for other packages as well
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1352 [11:51:24] <Release_> i read it means i dont have main repo
in source list ?
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1354 [11:51:26] <p0g0_> choice: if you created it, it likely does
nothing.
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1356 [11:51:39] <choice> p0g0_: I don't think I created it.
1357 [11:51:55] <Iridos> Release_, yes, that's what I would
have said… so what is your question ^^
1358 [11:52:02] <petn-randall> choice: It's a system user.
1359 [11:52:13] <choice> petn-randall: What is a system user?
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1361 [11:52:26] <Release_> since im no veteran how would that be
fixed properly would be my next quest
1362 [11:52:59] <petn-randall> choice:
replaced-url
1363 [11:53:12] <petn-randall> !bat
1364 [11:53:12] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1365 [11:53:23] <petn-randall> Release_: Can you provide *all* of
the above info in a single paste? ^^^
1366 [11:53:30] <choice> petn-randall: "irc: Used by irc
daemons.". I don't run an irc demon.
1367 [11:53:43] <petn-randall> choice: Sure, that's why it
does nothing.
1368 [11:53:50] <choice> petn-randall: Why was it created?
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1370 [11:54:24] <petn-randall> choice: There are a bunch of
users/groups that get created. The link has such a list.
1371 [11:54:25] <Release_> hm hold on seems its working now
petn-randall
1372 [11:54:33] <choice> petn-randall: Yes, but *why*?
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1374 [11:54:47] <p0g0_> choice: they are created because they are
commonly needed
1375 [11:54:54] <petn-randall> choice: Because back in the day it
was important that system users had the same numeric id across all
systems.
1376 [11:54:57] <p0g0_> and not using them has no costs...
1377 [11:55:03] <choice> petn-randall: I see.
1378 [11:55:37] <choice> petn-randall: But if that is not the case
anymore, why do they still get created?
1379 [11:55:41] <petn-randall> choice: And that's why there
were created upon installation, so there was no mixup. There's
also a list somewher on debian.org of all system users and their
corresponding user id, but I haven't found it yet.
1380 [11:55:52] <petn-randall> choice: backwards compatibility.
1381 [11:56:09] <choice> petn-randall: So it *is* still needed.
1382 [11:56:21] <petn-randall> choice: And probably because nobody
did the work to migrate it to the newer, "dynamically create
users when there's demand" setup.
1383 [11:56:43] <petn-randall> choice: Probably not, but
you'd have to install a ircd to check it. :)
1384 [11:57:12] <choice> Someone should write a script that lists
all users of a system with the info if they are legacy system users.
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1386 [11:57:26] <choice> So one can see which users of a system
were created manually.
1387 [11:57:39] <Iridos> it still makes (can make) things simpler
if you can rely on multiple machines on the same uid for the same
users… specially if you use nfs or so
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1391 [12:00:18] <petn-randall> choice: I know someone who could do
that ...
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1395 [12:00:40] <choice> Richard Stallmann!
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1397 [12:00:51] <Linpassion> hi! Is there same xlunch users?
1398 [12:01:32] <annadane> om nom nom nom nom
1399 [12:01:34] <Something1> Has anyone successfully installed
Debian to a USB key as a regular install? GRUB couldn´t boot
from it.
1400 [12:02:37] <choice> Something1: Some years ago I did that and
it worked.
1401 [12:02:40] * petn-randall looks at choice.
1402 [12:03:05] <petn-randall> Something1: Should be possible,
though it won't be really fast, unless you got a great USB
stick.
1403 [12:03:17] <choice> petn-randall: I'm not Richard
Stallman! I swear!
1404 [12:03:53] <petn-randall> That's what someone being
Richard Stallman would say!
1405 [12:03:55] <Something1> I currently have it working fine with
an Arch installation but have no need for a rolling release. The
speed is not an issue as it´s not using xorg or anything.
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1408 [12:04:20] <choice> petn-randall: I knew you would think
that. So if I was RS, I would not have said that for sure!
1409 [12:05:03] <petn-randall> Richard Stallman trying to avoid
fixing bugs in Debian again! Shoo! Shoo!
1410 [12:05:15] <choice> Strange, umatrix says stallman.org tries
to set cookies from google.com
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1413 [12:06:45] <Plasmoduck> SO I';; encryped a hdd and
forgotten the passowrd, what are my options to format it>
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1416 [12:07:24] <Plasmoduck> Or is it just a paperweight now?
1417 [12:08:09] <Something1> Complete wipe? Just `dd if=/dev/null
of=/dev/sd[numberofdrive] bs=512 count=1` or something
1418 [12:08:52] <Plasmoduck> ?
1419 [12:09:03] <Plasmoduck> So I have to plug it in?
1420 [12:09:20] <Something1> You will have to plug in the drive to
wipe it yes
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1423 [12:10:10] <Something1> The Debian installer can also remove
the partition(s), or if you have an existing installation with a
GUI, then gnome-disks or gparted can do it graphically
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1427 [12:11:19] <petn-randall> Plasmoduck: Do you have backups of
the data?
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1431 [12:11:52] <Plasmoduck> well Im trying to boot a usb stick
and it goes stright to asking for the encrytopn key
1432 [12:12:04] <Plasmoduck> theres nothing on it
1433 [12:12:08] <Plasmoduck> it was just a test
1434 [12:12:31] <petn-randall> Plasmoduck: If you don't care
about the data, you can just wipe it.
1435 [12:12:34] <Something1> Choose the USB while booting? Press
F12 or F11 or something
1436 [12:13:04] <Plasmoduck> thats what U tried and ignore med
1437 [12:13:20] <Plasmoduck> and went straight to the drive and
asked for encrypton password
1438 [12:13:35] <Something1> Are you sure the USB is bootable?
1439 [12:14:18] <petn-randall> I'd assume that if it asks for
a the encryption password that it booted fine.
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1441 [12:14:38] <Plasmoduck> yep, ill check again
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1457 [12:25:26] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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1461 [12:27:33] <ychaouche> What is your algorithme to getting
help for a specific software that doesn't work as expected ?
1462 [12:27:48] <annadane> ask us?
1463 [12:27:55] <annadane> what software, what isn't working?
1464 [12:28:41] <ychaouche> mine is seek support in the dedicated
IRC channel, if no answere repeat the day after, if no answere ask
on the ML, if no answere I don't know what to do.
1465 [12:30:05] <BanHammor> do you have an actual problem
you'd like someone to help with, ychaouche?
1466 [12:30:17] <ychaouche> well yes, but it's relative to
monit
1467 [12:30:25] <petn-randall> ychaouche: If you don't get an
answer that usually means that the problem isn't really
described well. Or it's sooo hardcore specific and deep into
some topic that no one else understands. But usually the former.
1468 [12:30:32] <erte> ychaouche, maybe you should look through
the list of nicks
1469 [12:30:47] <ychaouche> My problem is described here :
replaced-url
1470 [12:30:50] <plumber> believe in yourself
1471 [12:30:53] <ychaouche> :p
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1474 [12:31:11] <erte> you might find someone that could help, i
dont know eithér
1475 [12:31:27] <plumber> you must believe in yourself
1476 [12:32:11] <erte> what if im awake for about 24 hours already
1477 [12:32:30] <annadane> stay up LONGER! :)
1478 [12:32:55] <plumber> coffee, music, etc...
1479 [12:33:12] <petn-randall> ychaouche: What does the receiving
mail server have in the logs? That's the interesting part.
1480 [12:33:42] <ychaouche> petn-randall: I'll try and see.
Now that you mention it it could be a TLS problem, maybe.
1481 [12:34:19] <ychaouche> because the e-mails are delivered just
fine, but maybe the client tries TLS first, then it tries to send it
unencrypted.
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1483 [12:36:22] <ychaouche> Here's one conversation :
replaced-url
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1485 [12:36:49] <Tech_Network_500> hi
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1489 [12:38:10] <petn-randall> ychaouche: Seems like that is your
issue. I don't know how your sendmail setup is, so that might
be the issue.
1490 [12:38:41] <ychaouche> petn-randall: what is the issue ?
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1497 [12:41:36] <ychaouche> There doesn't seem to be a TLS
connection that is started
1498 [12:41:41] <ychaouche> Here's another conversation:
replaced-url
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1502 [12:42:37] <ychaouche> I thought of something else, maybe
there's a specific configuration in monit for SMTP timeout ?
maybe it should wait longer ?
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1506 [12:44:23] <petn-randall> ychaouche: The issue is between
sendmail on your monit server, and the MTA where it gets sent to.
1507 [12:44:47] <petn-randall> ychaouche: Unfortunately I
don't have time right now to dig into it, but maybe someone
else can help, or you can debug it yourself.
1508 [12:45:04] <ychaouche> petn-randall: thanks for putting me on
tracks
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1510 [12:46:42] <annadane> and basically the answer to "i
don't get an answer" is basically to keep trying, yeah
1511 [12:46:47] <annadane> i'd answer you if i had any idea
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1523 [12:56:30] <petn-randall> ychaouche: You could also ask in
#postfix, but they can be a bit unfriendly if you don't do your
own thorough research before asking.
1524 [12:56:38] <Tech_Network_500> hi
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1526 [12:57:23] <ychaouche> petn-randall: I've been there a
few times, rob0 is friendly ^^
1527 [12:57:51] <ychaouche> I saw him on youtube once, he seems
like a nice guy
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1529 [13:01:27] <abrotman> ychaouche: turn off TLS, and do a
tcpdump
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1546 [13:11:29] <ychaouche> From :
replaced-url
1547 [13:11:30] <ychaouche> Resource temporarily
unavailable'.
1548 [13:12:25] <ychaouche> I added a timeout and will wait for
the next alert and see if that fixes it.
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1556 [13:17:36] <FinalX> ,v lxc
1557 [13:17:37] <judd> Package: lxc on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.8.0~rc1-8+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2~bpo70+1;
jessie-security: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u6;
jessie-backports: 1:2.0.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.0.7-2+deb9u2;
buster: 1:2.0.9-6; sid: 1:2.0.9-6
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1578 [13:32:54] <jeo> Do anyone know how to fix my issue with
Debian & Xen ? On boot : Disc information : found 0 mbdr, found
0 edd
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1597 [13:45:30] <kemisten> hi
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1599 [13:50:31] <TvL2386> hi
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1611 [13:59:15] <jelly> what's the simplest way to test for
existence of a terminfo entry? I'm logging in to systems with a
couple different debian releases, and not all have xterm-256color or
screen.xterm-256color
1612 [14:01:29] <annadane> kemisten, TvL2386, hi
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1615 [14:03:04] <moldy> hi
1616 [14:03:12] <annadane> hi moldy
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1620 [14:03:47] <moldy> i installed a new font manually (replaced-url
1621 [14:04:33] <moldy> fc-list shows > 700 fonts, but in
Konsole i only see 15 or such
1622 [14:05:33] <Fox> jelly: did you try infocmp ?
1623 [14:06:35] <jelly> Fox: no, thanks!
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1625 [14:06:45] <jelly> it does return a sensible exit status
1626 [14:06:45] <Fox> jelly: yaw
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1632 [14:07:14] <jelly> infocmp -q screen.xterm-256color
>/dev/null && echo yay || echo nay
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1636 [14:11:45] <psichas> hi guys, dircolors doesn't work, i
dont get why
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1640 [14:14:13] <annadane> i'm not familiar with
"dircolors"
1641 [14:14:38] <annadane> also, you'll need more specifics
than "it doesn't work"
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1643 [14:16:01] <RoyK> psichas: it's not enabled by default -
try 'ls --color=auto'
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1646 [14:17:08] <psichas> RoyK, thats aweome dircolors alive ty ;)
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1658 [14:23:58] <TrickkyTyper> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER
TrickkyTyper kxkrzlvylypp
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1665 [14:25:33] <babilen> TrickkyTyper: You *always* want to do
things like this in in /query and I would recommend to change that
password everywhere you (might) have re-used it
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1668 [14:26:45] <babilen> The syntax is also "REGISTER
<password> <email-address>", which makes this
"REGISTER $YOUR_PASSWORD TrickkyTyper@example.com" (adapt
to actual values)
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1674 [14:30:00] <TrickkyTyper> roger ;) i know it wasj ust to
verify email
1675 [14:30:02] <TrickkyTyper> its not my passwrod
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1680 [14:32:51] <msl09> guys how do I find bugs submitted related
to the kde suite and with browser in the name
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1698 [14:47:10] <TrickkyTyper> msl09, explain?
1699 [14:47:24] <TrickkyTyper> i am not an expert but my guess is
log folders.
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1709 [14:51:36] <msl09> nevermind I found a google group where
1710 [14:51:42] <msl09> I searched for it
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1716 [14:55:02] <borkd> explain this: watching a movie using
firefox, it appears to be caching to /tmp, i have it mounted to a
tmpfs, df command shows it is writing to it but the folder has no
related files
1717 [14:55:37] <monty86> what's the best desktop environment
in debian in terms of application support, performance, stability,
and functioinality?
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1720 [14:56:00] <monty86> I used gnome 2 back in 2011 and it had
everything I needed (functionality, speed etc)
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1724 [14:57:52] <petn-randall> borkd: I guess firefox is doing it
right and only using file descriptors to access the data. That a
good thing and the only safe way, even though it seems confusing to
you.
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1728 [14:58:48] <petn-randall> borkd: It means that it opens a
file descriptor to the file, and deletes it, and then just works on
that file descriptor to read/write to that file. That way nobody a
hypothetical attacker can't access/manipulate that file.
1729 [14:59:49] <msl09> monty86, I moved from xfce to kde last
week because of the many unfixed bugs and I'm really liking it
so far
1730 [15:00:08] <borkd> petn-randall: ah that is new and
interesting to me, thanks for the info (off to research this,
cheers)
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1741 [15:01:35] <msl09> I can't tell how it fares in term of
performance since I haven't used it on an old computer but
it's pretty robust
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1747 [15:03:30] <borkd> ive used kde on a 2006 machine and it was
smoother than gnome, i now use xfce and compton (main reason for kde
was xfwm screen tearing)
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1751 [15:04:20] <borkd> thanks again, g2g
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1753 [15:05:22] <monty86> when you update debian stable, is it
aptitude update?
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1755 [15:05:34] <monty86> i used to do some weird stuff like
aptitude update --no-recommends
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1758 [15:05:55] <monty86> but that was when I tried to sequeeze
the last bit of performance and be minimalist....not sure if I have
the time for that anymore
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1760 [15:05:59] <jelly> update doesn't do anything but reread
repo states, monty86
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1764 [15:06:28] <monty86> sorry, it was aptitude something to
updat the system...i forget
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1767 [15:06:44] <monty86> thinking of switching from opensuse to
debian
1768 [15:06:46] <jelly> if you want to patch up your system, it
will be something like aptitude update && aptitude
full-upgrade
1769 [15:06:55] <monty86> oh yeah that's it
1770 [15:07:06] <monty86> is there a point in doing --no-recomends
any more?
1771 [15:07:12] <jelly> it depends
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1791 [15:18:10] <MarioMey> Hello, there. Yesterday I installed
lm-sensors and configured it. Also, I installed mate-sensors-applet
and mate-sensors-applet-nvidia. Now, I have as an applet in systray
(Debian 9 Mate).
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1793 [15:18:31] <MarioMey> nVidia sensor is correct (30ºC),
but CPU says 0º.
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1798 [15:19:55] <monty86> is there ever a case when a non working
package is added to debian stable?
1799 [15:20:15] <monty86> in opensuse, flamerobin, a non working
package was added.....and I'm getting an awful hard time
getting the maintainers to fix it
1800 [15:20:27] <annadane> it's... pretty rare
1801 [15:20:47] <MarioMey> Sometimes, 2º... and then,
0º.
1802 [15:20:54] <monty86> when it does happen, how was is it to
get it fixed (i'm a programmer but no clue with c programming)
1803 [15:21:01] <annadane> for various definitions of non working
package, it's different depending on the situation
1804 [15:21:07] <annadane> well, you'd file a bug report
1805 [15:21:29] <monty86> i remember I had to do this once...and
within a couple of weeks it got fixed back in 2011
1806 [15:21:47] <monty86> opensuse, I filed the bug 2017 and have
been tried to get it fixed by contacting maintainers, support etc
1807 [15:21:57] <annadane> debian stable is not the panacea
it's represented as but is of generally high quality
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1809 [15:22:44] <monty86> what's the point in checking in a
package that doesn't even run
1810 [15:23:02] <annadane> idk. not familiar with opensuse
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1813 [15:24:05] <annadane> also opensuse is a rolling distro hence
newer, more buggy packages
1814 [15:24:21] <monty86> it doesn't run on leap or
tumbleweed (rolling)
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1818 [15:25:27] <monty86> the fact that this bug was reported in
2017...it's more than a year
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1820 [15:25:36] <monty86> i've contacted multiple people,
it's a simple fix
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1824 [15:27:07] <annadane> wait are you talking about debian now
or suse
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1827 [15:27:51] <OlofL> is there any risk in letting a user have
no password defined in /etc/shadow ? i can't login with that
particular user
1828 [15:28:12] <jelly> monty86: if a package has a Priority:
grave bug (and not working in default setup is that), then it
can't enter a debian release
1829 [15:28:51] <jelly> so it's possible to have a piece of
completely non-working software in debian stable, if noone cares to
file a bug report
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1831 [15:29:00] <monty86> suse
1832 [15:29:33] <monty86> oh ok
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1834 [15:29:51] <monty86> so if I do file a bug report, how long
does it take to fix it?
1835 [15:29:58] <monty86> like will get the ball rolling at least?
1836 [15:30:02] <jelly> it depends
1837 [15:30:05] <monty86> cause on suse, nothing happened
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1840 [15:30:33] <jelly> if you file it now and if it's not
fixed, it won't be present in Debian 10, simple as that
1841 [15:30:50] <monty86> ah
1842 [15:31:23] <elge> I am running Devuan/beowul which plugs into
buster, and there is an issue with package base-files:
/etc/os-release does not contain any VERSION_ID
1843 [15:31:29] <jelly> !devuan
1844 [15:31:29] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
1845 [15:31:35] <elge> I guess I can add it manually, would it be
Debian v10 ?
1846 [15:31:50] <elge> jelly, yeah this is a debian issue
1847 [15:32:00] <jelly> elge: no, it's not
1848 [15:32:12] <jelly> what fails in Debian because of that?
1849 [15:32:14] <elge> freedesktop specification wants VERSION_ID
1850 [15:32:21] <elge> there is none
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1857 [15:34:41] <jelly> elge: that gets fixed late in the release
process
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1860 [15:35:39] <jelly> elge: so I guess if you're using a
downstream distro and they're basing off a testing or unstable
snapshot, they will have to fix it themselves
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1862 [15:36:12] <jelly> of if they plan to release parallel to
buster, it will get fixed eventually
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1867 [15:37:13] <jelly> elge: however a downstream distro will
probably want to use their own release and their own version anyway
1868 [15:38:21] <elge> right
1869 [15:38:40] <elge> thanks
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1876 [15:41:19] <jelly> (discussed a bit further in #devuan)
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1879 [15:42:27] <TrickkyTyper> Hey guys
1880 [15:42:35] <TrickkyTyper> what client or application would i
use like magic jack to make phonecalls from my linux computer
1881 [15:42:44] <TrickkyTyper> would it be Ring with my SIP
Gateway credentials?
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1887 [15:44:41] <monty86> does gnome 3 have a taskbar?
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1890 [15:45:47] <annadane> no bar has enough alcohol to drown out
the sorrow of gnome
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1892 [15:45:53] <annadane> (sorry. i don't know.)
1893 [15:46:10] <annadane> it probably does, via extensions
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1897 [15:47:17] <Kelsar> from 1 to 10, where 1 is ok and 10 very
bad, how bad is it to upgrade from wheezy to stretch?
1898 [15:47:21] <monty86> extensions for a taskbar....what a joke
1899 [15:47:45] <annadane> 10
1900 [15:47:49] <annadane> go through jessie first
1901 [15:48:48] <jelly> Kelsar: depends on how many times
you've done a release upgrade up to now, and esp. the
wheezy->jessie one (jessie->stretch is probably a bit nicer)
1902 [15:48:57] <Kelsar> i thought so and how bad is the whole
process. usually i would prefer to setup the machine clean... but
gitlab backups are stupid version dependent...
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1905 [15:49:07] <jelly> Kelsar: there is no skipping releases
1906 [15:49:24] <lostfile> well its better then using github
1907 [15:49:39] <jelly> Kelsar: so go ahead and read: /msg dpkg
wheezy->jessie
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1909 [15:49:41] <lostfile> meh i actully like git hub
1910 [15:50:03] <Kelsar> i don't watn to migrate aroun 450
projects by hand...
1911 [15:50:11] <blackflow> monty86: just because it's a
different GUI paradigm than the myriad copies of Windows 3.11,
it's a "joke"?
1912 [15:50:44] <jelly> Kelsar: it's about 2 hours work for
the OS, no idea how much time for your application(s)
1913 [15:51:16] <jelly> Kelsar: and then when it's done, read
/msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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1918 [15:51:54] <jelly> blackflow: no, it's a joke because it
consistently cripples the UI from one release to the next
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1920 [15:52:13] <lostfile> you making some thing like windows 3.11
1921 [15:52:23] <annadane> to be fair KDE has also been guilty of
that
1922 [15:52:29] <annadane> not to the same extent
1923 [15:52:41] <jelly> blackflow: it's a joke because it
pretends removing choice is good, and worse, it pretends
there's a consistent goal in mind
1924 [15:52:52] <blackflow> jelly: well then say so! :)
1925 [15:53:01] <blackflow> but lack of taskbar ain't it.
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1930 [15:54:23] <jelly> noone said "lack of taskbar"
1931 [15:54:53] <annadane> you just did. (:
1932 [15:54:55] <lostfile> i like having a task bar
1933 [15:55:00] * annadane hides
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1936 [15:55:37] <lostfile> im a fan of the cinomon desktop
1937 [15:55:44] <lostfile> and mate
1938 [15:56:26] <annadane> cinnamon got on my nerves
1939 [15:56:42] <annadane> it's fine, i guess, i didn't
spend much time on it
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1942 [15:57:51] <Kelsar> atleast it is a VM i can take snapshots
from and start again, if needed
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1948 [16:00:35] <lostfile> annadane: well its better then KDE
there file manager that comes with it drives me crazy
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1950 [16:00:55] <lostfile> i hate dolfin
1951 [16:00:57] <monty86> dolphin??? it's one of the best
1952 [16:01:10] <lostfile> i dont care for it
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1954 [16:01:35] <monty86> having used nautilus, thunar, and a
couple of others, it the best
1955 [16:01:41] <monty86> fast and functional
1956 [16:01:45] <lostfile> thats just my opinon tho
1957 [16:01:51] <annadane> !start an editor war
1958 [16:01:51] <dpkg> ae users need to get a life!
1959 [16:02:02] <blackflow> annadane: there's no war,
everyone knows vim won.
1960 [16:02:21] <lostfile> i prefer nautilus
1961 [16:02:21] <monty86> gedit is much better than vim
1962 [16:02:31] <lostfile> i like nano
1963 [16:02:44] <lostfile> but at the same time
1964 [16:03:05] <lostfile> depending on what im doing
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1966 [16:03:09] <lostfile> i like vim
1967 [16:03:36] * RoyK hates nano, but likes vim for most things
1968 [16:03:50] <lostfile> if its a small conf file i use nano
1969 [16:03:57] <RoyK>
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1971 [16:04:20] <lostfile> if its a big one with a lot of lines i
use vim
1972 [16:04:34] <blackflow> that makes zero sense.
1973 [16:04:44] <RoyK> or even…
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1974 [16:04:53] <jelly> NO XKCD\
1975 [16:04:56] <blackflow> if you went through the learning curve
of vim and are used to it, wth nano. *jackie_chan_meme.jpg*
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1977 [16:05:23] <lostfile> lol
1978 [16:05:24] <dgp> jelly: hows I pretend I smart without xkcd?
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1983 [16:05:57] <lostfile> nano is easyer to use
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1986 [16:06:17] <lostfile> i can just save some thing with crl o
1987 [16:06:33] <RoyK> lostfile: once you've learned vim, you
won't go back :)
1988 [16:06:43] <blackflow> then you didn't go through the
learning curve of vim and have no muscle memory built for its
commands. which is okay per se.
1989 [16:06:46] <blackflow> RoyK++
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1993 [16:07:45] <annadane> honorable mention to neovim?
1994 [16:07:56] <annadane> spacemacs?
1995 [16:07:57] <monty86> ix xfce maintained in debian?
1996 [16:08:01] <annadane> yes
1997 [16:08:04] <RoyK> how does neovim compare to vim?
1998 [16:08:09] <monty86> i heard rumors it was on it's way
out
1999 [16:08:17] <annadane> i don't know the full differences
really
2000 [16:08:17] * dgp wonders what impressive things people that argue
about editors are editing all day
2001 [16:08:24] <jelly> monty86: who did you hear the rumors from
2002 [16:08:30] <blackflow> rumors shroomors.
2003 [16:08:35] <monty86> that it wasn't updated for awhile
and will not be included
2004 [16:08:40] <monty86> awhile back....maybe in 2014
2005 [16:08:44] <jelly> monty86: reference please
2006 [16:08:50] <blackflow> dgp: over nine thousand lines of code,
for example ;)
2007 [16:08:55] <annadane> well, it may not be updated for a
while, xfce is relatively unchanging
2008 [16:09:06] <monty86> maybe it's a diff DE
2009 [16:09:09] <jelly> monty86: oh, 2014. There were two releases
_with_ xfce since
2010 [16:09:16] <annadane> dgp, composing essays on how much emacs
sucks
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2012 [16:09:35] <dgp> blackflow: I have more than that in an
Android project edited with the awful editor in Android Studio..
2013 [16:09:36] * RoyK beleives editor wars are quite offtopic
2014 [16:10:15] <blackflow> RoyK: but tehy're ((debian text
editor) wars)
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2020 [16:12:26] <dgp> If you're editing debian fan fiction
then it's on topic
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2022 [16:12:42] <armin> hi. when running a dist-upgrade, apt tells
me that there have been modifications to some files in /etc. i
select the default action there (N = keep your currently-installed
version) and assume to get some .dpkg-new files in there, but i
don't. any hint?
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2028 [16:14:10] <monty86> i'm going to install
debian....trying to decide which DE
2029 [16:14:13] <monty86> any advise?
2030 [16:14:23] <monty86> i'm a simplistic and I prefer
functionality
2031 [16:14:35] <armin> xfce then probably
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2033 [16:14:45] <monty86> a lot of my work is coding, I need a
taskbar to switch apps fast
2034 [16:15:07] <dgp> monty86: try the big ones like gnome and kde
first, if they feel like too much try one of the smaller ones
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2036 [16:15:35] <armin> i'd do the other way around. start
minimal and work your way up.
2037 [16:15:36] <monty86> i'm already on KDE plasma on suse,
works great (a little bloated...who cares about KDE connect for
phones etc)
2038 [16:16:04] <monty86> gnome is a no no....i cannot install a
DE that needs an extension for taskbar
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2040 [16:16:12] <dgp> monty86: I use kde but I only have the base
packages installed and most of the fancy stuff turned off
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2042 [16:16:43] <annadane> you may look into i3wm, it's
keyboard focused and allows you to switch windows quickly
2043 [16:16:51] <annadane> also simple and minimal
2044 [16:17:20] <armin> annadane: now that's something
completely different to some classical DE with a taskbar.
2045 [16:17:35] <armin> i use it right now and it's seriously
great, but hardly meets the requirements of OP.
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2047 [16:17:48] <monty86> what about LXDE? isn't it the
fastest DE?
2048 [16:18:07] <armin> LXDE is basically openbox with an
additional taskbar and some other goodies.
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2050 [16:18:08] <dgp> monty86: Is the cpu in your machine a
potato?
2051 [16:18:16] <monty86> no i7
2052 [16:18:22] <armin> dgp: does having a fast CPU justify bloat?
2053 [16:18:24] <monty86> one i7 machine, one i3 machine
2054 [16:18:34] <monty86> kde plasma runs great on both
2055 [16:18:43] <dgp> armin: if your cpu is fast enough you
aren't going to notice the difference
2056 [16:19:02] <monty86> will debian KDE plasma be similar to
suse KDE plasma?
2057 [16:19:04] <dgp> If I cared about "bloat" I
wouldn't have 40+ tabs open in chrome
2058 [16:19:10] <dgp> monty86: yes
2059 [16:19:26] <monty86> since Debian's default distro is
GNOME......will most apps (styling and fonts) work if I install kDE
plasma?
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2061 [16:19:52] <armin> dgp: my CPU is fast enough to NOT let me
buy a new computer since over 10 years now and i'm a systems
engineer and music producer and do all the work with an old
computer. even KDE would run perfectly and i see no reason to use it
because it gives me no additional functionality.
2062 [16:19:54] <monty86> i guess kate will be installed instead
of gedit
2063 [16:20:29] <dgp> monty86: for me gnome apps look like gnome
apps. There is a theme to make gnome apps look like kde apps I think
but it doesn't bother me enough
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2065 [16:20:42] <dgp> armin: Why did I need to know that?
2066 [16:20:50] <monty86> armin what DE do you use?
2067 [16:21:23] <jelly> monty86: will apps work? try it and see
2068 [16:21:25] <armin> dgp: why does someone need to know how to
integrate GTK applications in KDE when they're asking for a
*lightweight* desktop environment that focuses on productivity and
has a taskbar?
2069 [16:21:43] <armin> dgp: why do you even suggest GNOME when
they explicitly ask for something with a taskbar?
2070 [16:21:55] <armin> monty86: depends.
2071 [16:22:05] <dgp> armin: monty86 didn't write lightweight
2072 [16:22:14] <armin> monty86: i3, fluxbox, openbox, xfce, kde,
icewm, bspwm, stuff like that.
2073 [16:22:16] <annadane> this is like the 6th "what desktop
should i use" conversation i've had today
2074 [16:22:20] <dgp> armin: and what is lightweight when most
machines have 4gb+ of ram now
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2076 [16:22:59] <armin> dgp: i still fail to see how that
justifies bloat, but whatever floats your boat i guess.
2077 [16:23:11] <armin> dgp: i have 16 in my computer at home.
2078 [16:23:25] <dgp> I have about 30+ in this room
2079 [16:23:26] <armin> dgp: and it does run i3 because i just
don't need anything more.
2080 [16:23:47] <dgp> armin: that's great. Not sure why I
need to know that
2081 [16:23:51] <annadane> whatever floats your bloat
2082 [16:24:04] <armin> while we're at it, this machine has
an 8 core cpu, 32gb and 42" display. and yes it runs i3.
2083 [16:25:02] <dgp> Do you get a free tshirt when you install
i3?
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2085 [16:25:18] <FinalX> dgp: that a machine has 4GB+,
doesn't mean shit should all start taking as much as they want
(hi Chrome)
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2087 [16:25:52] <FinalX> there's also a lot of other good
things to use RAM for than a DE :p
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2089 [16:26:20] <dgp> FinalX: Were're probably talking maybe
100MB difference right?
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2091 [16:26:28] <dgp> s/Were're/We're/
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2096 [16:27:25] <FinalX> probably, but does having a lot of RAM
excuse behaviour of bloated apps? :p
2097 [16:27:39] <FinalX> (DE or otherwise)
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2100 [16:27:54] <armin> FinalX: that was just the thing i asked
dgp.
2101 [16:28:08] <armin> what i got in reply was some questionable
attitude.
2102 [16:28:10] <dgp> FinalX: what are you basing
"bloated" on
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2105 [16:28:45] <dgp> 11544 daniel 20 0 10.5g 6.0g 29212 S 1.3
19.1 342:48.95 java
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2107 [16:28:54] <dgp> I think really KDE might be the least of my
issues
2108 [16:29:09] <armin> oh. my. god.
2109 [16:29:13] <armin> m(
2110 [16:29:14] <FinalX> java :) my firefox is taking almost 3GB
as well.
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2113 [16:30:13] <FinalX> point is, he's asking for "the
fastest", yet somehow we're talking about bloat and ram
usage :P and "you won't notice the difference", while
his actual question isn't answered
2114 [16:31:28] <dgp> I'm not seeing where he said that in
the original question. He said "simplistic but functional"
from what I can gather
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2119 [16:36:50] <monty86> was watching a youtube video on debian
xfce, and the guy said by the time debian stable is released, the
included versions of KDE/Gnome/Cinamon is already obsolete
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2122 [16:37:42] <dgp> monty86: stable is always going to be behind
on the latest desktops etc
2123 [16:38:04] <monty86> oh ok
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2128 [16:39:35] <monty86> ahh midori is the default browser
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2135 [16:43:28] <dgp> monty86: if you select only the base system
when you install you'll have almost nothing and you can select
the things you want
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2155 [16:57:01] <monty86> anyone use midori?
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2157 [16:58:19] <jelly> monty86: only firefox-esr and chromium
have any kind of regular security support in debian. You can use
stuff like midori. but on internal safe pages only
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2159 [16:58:53] <monty86> wow
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2161 [16:59:15] <monty86> i wonder how many new people have
installed that without realizing it
2162 [16:59:20] <aci> like on every other operating system
2163 [16:59:38] <shtrb> monty86, there are some less the used apps
pre installed , it's common
2164 [17:00:14] <jelly> monty86: hopefully none, because
debian-security-support warns you when you have stuff with limited
support installed.
2165 [17:00:32] <jelly> ,i debian-security-support
2166 [17:00:33] <judd> Package debian-security-support (admin,
optional) in stretch/amd64: Debian security support coverage
checker. Version: 2017.06.02; Size: 25.2k; Installed: 135k
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2169 [17:01:48] <shtrb> ,v midori
2170 [17:01:49] <judd> Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch:
0.5.11-ds1-4+b1
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2172 [17:02:31] <jelly> ,bug rm midori
2173 [17:02:34] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2175 [17:02:47] <shtrb> what is the rm flag ?
2176 [17:02:56] <jelly> removal bugs
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2181 [17:08:30] <shtrb> anyone with firefox-esr can say if the
text in the images at
replaced-url
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2184 [17:09:08] <annadane> oh god forbes. >:(
2185 [17:09:40] <shtrb> FF can't handle forbes ?
2186 [17:09:50] <FinalX> shtrb: It's just someone that took a
photo from a big distance. It's blurry.
2187 [17:10:12] <shtrb> lol , thanks
2188 [17:10:21] <shtrb> I thought my screen is crazy or an FF bug
2189 [17:10:22] <annadane> i'm sure it can handle it,
it's just an affront to decency on the internet...
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2208 [17:21:56] <msl09_> I checked it once and all of the kde
fluff occupied between 600MB and 1GB of ram on my computer
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2211 [17:22:20] <tacobat> rip midori, was a nice browser
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2216 [17:24:03] <rdz> hey all. what will be the PHP version in
Debian 10?
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2219 [17:24:46] <shtrb> 7 ?
2220 [17:25:09] <shtrb> ,v php
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2222 [17:25:10] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49;
buster: 1:7.2+61; sid: 1:7.2+61
2223 [17:25:28] <shtrb> so 7.2 it is
2224 [17:25:39] <rdz> shtrb, thanks...
2225 [17:25:57] <FinalX> for now, anyway
2226 [17:25:59] <shtrb> It is just a guess
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2229 [17:26:28] <FinalX> buster isn't frozen and 7.3 alpha is
out
2230 [17:26:58] <rdz> so chances are that even a higher version
will be the default?
2231 [17:27:02] <shtrb> wait for CVEs to arrive, someone ,
somewhere will find a bug and we will have an upgrade
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2233 [17:27:37] <FinalX> rdz: it's likely that it'll be
7.3; and if 8.0 is out by then, who knows.
2234 [17:27:42] <rdz> my question is: will 7.0 be available as
well? or upgrading debian means upgrading php?
2235 [17:27:45] <shtrb> 7.2 LTS is 2020 so it has good chance to
be supported in 10
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2238 [17:28:09] <FinalX> Debian doesn't exactly have a
history of having multiple versions of software in one release.
Ubuntu does, though.
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2240 [17:28:27] <rdz> FinalX, thanks
2241 [17:28:43] <shtrb> rdz, judging by the state of apps manged
by composer there is a good chance you will be in a bad state if you
relay on packages (non debian) and default php version
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2244 [17:29:14] <msl09_> This page is gold
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2246 [17:29:22] <shtrb> FinalX, you had php5 and php7 for some
time
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2248 [17:30:15] <FinalX> Here we came to the consensus that either
1) You have to conform to the Debian default and you get PHP-upgrade
with every big Debian upgrade (meaning that things like frameworks
might complain about PHP being too old). or 2) Always use the latest
version of PHP, no exceptions (and then you continously have to
update your code).
2249 [17:30:24] <FinalX> shtrb: Not together, no
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2251 [17:30:50] <FinalX> shtrb: If you had 7.0, it was from an
external source (Dotdeb or Sury, for example)
2252 [17:31:48] <shtrb> I stand corrected
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2256 [17:32:40] <shtrb> ,v php5-cgi
2257 [17:32:41] <judd> Package: php5-cgi on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u14; jessie:
5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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2263 [17:33:42] <FinalX> We were using Dotdeb's 7.0 for a
while on jessie; but that proved unreliable and caused outages on
production systems. We later switched to Sury's repositories
and those we still use. He's the maintainer for Debian and
Ubuntu as well, but runs his own repository, too.
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2268 [17:34:05] <FinalX> But he also releases unreliably for
everything that's not either Debian/Ubuntu LTS _or_ the
*highest* version in his repo.
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2270 [17:34:31] <shtrb> maybe I mixed some stuff, I was sure there
was an option for that, all is possible , I was wrong
2271 [17:34:56] <FinalX> Like, when there was a vulnerability, it
was quickly fixed in the Debian/Ubuntu stock repo packages, and he
immediately packaged the latest release for 7.2.. but for 7.1 it
took weeks.
2272 [17:35:05] <annadane> if you neeeed another php, use a vm
2273 [17:35:18] <FinalX> vm's have their own implications
2274 [17:35:31] <FinalX> many security implications, too
2275 [17:36:08] <shtrb> are you trying to say vms are bad in a
security point of view ?
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2277 [17:37:08] <FinalX> A "vm" doesn't make it
insecure, but the whole context around it usually does.
2278 [17:37:46] <FinalX> If you're going to make a KVM or LXC
container, you'll be installing an OS anyway, so then
you're either not using Debian anymore, or you'd be doing
the same thing as you'd do on the host.
2279 [17:37:50] <shtrb> Can we continue that on debian-offtopic ?
2280 [17:38:03] <FinalX> I'm not on that channel (nor going
to be). But I'll stop :)
2281 [17:38:05] <shtrb> that sound intreguing but I don't
like to spam with OT stuff here
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2284 [17:40:26] <shtrb> well lxc is not really a vm , but I do not
see how debian over kvm for example is less secure (than a chroot or
just running native )
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2293 [17:42:59] <jelly> FinalX: if you have production systems on
3rd party repos, maybe consider sponsoring the versions and
platforms you actually need?
2294 [17:43:04] <brontosaurusrex> In openbox I have an xml menu
generated by script, whats the correct syntax to add that to openbox
root menu as submenu?
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2296 [17:43:31] <brontosaurusrex> Pretty sure it's NOT:
<menu execute="cat ~/bin/misc.xml"
id="pipeMisc_cached" label="pipe"/>
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2298 [17:43:53] <shtrb|laptop> and by sponsering you could even
get a tax refund if there is Debian org somewhere near you
2299 [17:44:00] <jelly> or is your employer like mine, free
software means "no cost"
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2305 [17:44:50] <jelly> and no staging environment to speak of
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2308 [17:45:09] <shtrb|laptop> Unless communism works, you need to
pay your resources (workers, electircal bill, tax on profit etc)
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2319 [17:49:23] <atif5> Hi
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2340 [17:59:38] <FinalX> jelly: I taste a lot of bitterness yet
again, aimed at bigger corporations using open source. We've
been sponsoring Debian for a very long time now, and we do have
staging. Yet a) Debian doesn't get newer, higher versions of
software after a freeze, right? perhaps through backports, but those
don't get the same security-attention as the regular repo does.
b) If it were up to me, we wouldn't be using external
2341 [17:59:40] <FinalX> repos. It's just that the developers
really want higher versions. So all other "solutions" they
could think of aside, this was -for now- the cleanest with the least
implications. Sponsoring a specific version would mean we'd be
stuck with that version again, no?
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2369 [18:17:35] <ksk> FinalX: I understand the problems, but then
is there a alternative that has like new software and is reasonable
stable enough for you to use? Id assume if this was the case, you
would not use debian
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2371 [18:17:41] <jelly> FinalX: I was thinking sponsoring ondrej
to maintain your desired 7.x as long as you needed it
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2375 [18:18:36] <jelly> ksk: the thing is, most people here,
myself included, use Debian because it's the best option
compared to the alternatives
2376 [18:18:52] <ksk> oh sorry, this topic was marked offtopic
just recently? I find it interesting and have encountered the
problem before. I want to use debian, but the customer demands new
fancy versions of everything.
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2378 [18:19:39] <annadane> slackware is decent. more seperation
between base and userland (no dependencies), -current is relatively
stable and has changelogs
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2381 [18:19:53] <ksk> FinalX: maybe think of it in views of
different stacks, like if they need a php that is not in debian
install a VM, container whatever with that and limit access to
php-only.
2382 [18:19:53] <jelly> ksk: at that point you ask to define the
specific set of "everything" and show them how many extra
hours and $$$ that would take
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2385 [18:20:05] <ksk> or maintain your own php - but that is very
expensive resource-wise!
2386 [18:20:12] <jelly> because most users don't really need
"everything" latest
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2388 [18:20:27] <jelly> not even most devs do
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2392 [18:21:39] <ksk> yeah of course, totally agree.
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2426 [18:48:05] <petn-randall> Hi, what is the bash analog of
`&>` for the pipe? It's not `&|`.
2427 [18:48:21] <annadane> do not awake the grey cat
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2429 [18:48:33] <petn-randall> Ah, it's |&, to answer
myself.
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2466 [19:15:22] <jak2000> i have 3 pcs.... mine: 192.168.0.1 other
2: 192.168.0.11 and 192.168.0.27 how to know wich mac adress have
the ip: 192.168.0.11 ? (and 192.168.0.27) wich command?
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2469 [19:17:07] <SPF> jak2000: ip n
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2476 [19:19:44] <Peyam> hi I downloaded the .deb file of visuals
tudio code and I want now to remove it
2477 [19:19:45] <jak2000> thx
2478 [19:19:47] <Peyam> how do I do it
2479 [19:20:42] <ompaul> did you also install it?
2480 [19:20:47] <Peyam> yes
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2482 [19:21:02] <ompaul> with dpkg -i or some other method?
2483 [19:21:04] <Peyam> I did purge --remove
2484 [19:21:09] <Peyam> now it is gone
2485 [19:21:14] <Peyam> thanks
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2487 [19:21:18] <contrapunctus> o/
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2523 [19:42:35] <tkdl> I get an error "chroot: command not
found", but coreutils package is installed, what's wrong?
2524 [19:42:43] <greycat> are you root?
2525 [19:42:49] <tkdl> no
2526 [19:43:10] <tkdl> why I need to be root?
2527 [19:43:15] <greycat> You have to be root to perform a chroot
operation in the first place, so they felt nothing was lost by
putting the chroot command in /usr/sbin.
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2529 [19:43:53] <tkdl> yeah it works with root, tnx
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2554 [20:05:09] <monty86> what happened to mysql? did the owner
decide to sell to oracle and then go and start mariadb??
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2568 [20:12:31] <eyalroz> monty86: MySQL always had a free (GPL)
edition and proprietary edition(s), and was backed by the Swedish
company MySQL AB, founded by the original MySQL authors
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2571 [20:12:56] <eyalroz> In 2008, this company was bought by Sun
Microsystems, then 2010, Sun was bought by Oracle Corp.
2572 [20:13:09] <jfbourdeau_> I am new to Debian, was using Ubuntu
before. Which Debian based distro have the most modern and easy to
use GUI ? I want to install debian on one of my friend computer and
he's not good with computer
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2576 [20:13:54] <somiaj> jfbourdeau_: most of us here use debian,
so that is what we would suggest. And debian based distros are off
topic here
2577 [20:13:55] <eyalroz> monty86: But Oracle had already
purchased in 2005 the company that had developed the InnoDB storage
engine
2578 [20:14:26] <jfbourdeau_> Ok tks
2579 [20:14:43] <eyalroz> jfbourdeau_: Well...
2580 [20:14:48] <Toadisattva> I'm a big fan of the xfce
desktop as far as friendly and powerful (and lightweight) interface
2581 [20:14:50] <eyalroz> I'd say something different.
2582 [20:15:13] <eyalroz> If you're not limiting yourself to
systemd-free distributions,
2583 [20:15:34] <monty86> so aren't they going to do the same
thing with mariadb?
2584 [20:15:36] <eyalroz> I would say that Linux Mint, which is
Debian-based directly or indirectly,
2585 [20:15:55] <monty86> the owner founded a company, sold it,
then goes onto create mariadb....and after many years, will do the
same thing again
2586 [20:15:59] <monty86> right?
2587 [20:16:01] <eyalroz> is very convenient, and more
user-friendly and UI-"polished" than Debian,
2588 [20:16:09] <[Nightmare]> jfbourdeau_: Ubuntu is based on
debian... try gnome3 or xfce...
2589 [20:16:12] <eyalroz> but there are different considerations.
2590 [20:16:21] <jfbourdeau_> tks ! to all
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2592 [20:17:15] <eyalroz> monty86: : MariaDB was started as fork
of MySQL,
2593 [20:17:24] <eyalroz> to be developed independently of
whatever Oracle would do.
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2595 [20:17:46] <eyalroz> Plus, it uses another storage engine as
a replacement for InnoDB
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2597 [20:18:04] <monty86> so this time mariadb (or the corporate
company behind it) wont be sold?
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2599 [20:18:23] <dgp> monty86: who knows
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2601 [20:18:27] <annadane> well
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2603 [20:18:31] <eyalroz> monty86: MariaDB the software is owned
and managed by MariaDB the foundation
2604 [20:18:46] <eyalroz> which is backed by two or three of the
original MySQL developers.
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2606 [20:19:25] <monty86> it's nonprofit?
2607 [20:19:33] <eyalroz> monty86: But things are a bit more
complex, since one of the members of the foundation is a commercial
comany, now called MariaDB Corporation AB
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2609 [20:19:56] <eyalroz> (previously known as SkySQL corp),
2610 [20:20:03] <monty86> wow...so isn't the same thing going
to happen again??
2611 [20:20:13] <eyalroz> and it is said to be "the main
driving force" behind MariaDB development
2612 [20:20:27] <eyalroz> monty86: It's unlikely that what
happened to MySQL will happen again,
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2614 [20:20:43] <eyalroz> because now, if someone were to buy the
commercial company, they don't get control of the project.
2615 [20:20:51] <monty86> oh ok
2616 [20:21:02] <eyalroz> But to be honest, I don't know that
MySQL is the be-all and end-all of FOSS transactional databases.
2617 [20:21:14] <eyalroz> Myself, I'm interested in analytics
DBMSes
2618 [20:21:18] <monty86> it sucks
2619 [20:21:31] <monty86> if you care of relation integrity and
ansi standards, it really sucks
2620 [20:21:36] <eyalroz> and for those workloads, DBMSes like
MySQL and PostgreSQL are just ridiculously slow.
2621 [20:21:53] <monty86> what type of analytical queries?
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2623 [20:22:10] <eyalroz> let's take this off-channel.
2624 [20:22:11] <monty86> seems like materialized views and
columnar storage would fix most of that
2625 [20:22:16] <monty86> oh ok
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2633 [20:28:00] <jhutchins_wk> MariaDB is a definite fork of
MySQL. There is another fork, Percona, that aims for 100%
compatibility with the current MySQL, plus enhancements.
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2635 [20:28:27] <jhutchins_wk> All of them have Open versions for
free, and commercial versions that include support.
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2648 [20:38:43] <monty86> i just wish either one had real
materialized views like oracle
2649 [20:39:00] <monty86> i'd even settle for a something
like indexed views in mssql
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2651 [20:39:13] <monty86> i know you can fake it with a php addon
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2653 [20:39:54] <jelly> monty86: keep this channel for actionable
questions and issues, please
2654 [20:39:59] <monty86> oh ok
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2658 [20:41:52] <jelly> chat is welcome in #debian-offtopic
(except tech support questions)
2659 [20:42:40] <monty86> oh ok
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2661 [20:42:52] <monty86> jelly are you a maintainer?
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2665 [20:43:34] <jelly> no, not at all
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2722 [21:09:11] <yokowka> heavennO everysoul!!!! I have such
question: in pol i've dukenukem3d20anniversary install, now on
desktop is shortcut, but when i press it double - threre is no
effect.... What to do to run the game?
2723 [21:09:19] <david___-_> hi. we have a pxe server that we use
to auto-install debian. we have the jessie netboot kernel and
initrd.gz files on the PXE server. It seems that every time a new
version of the kernel and initrd.gz file is released, we get errors
on install saying "No kernel modules were found" , and it
mentions a mismatch between modules and kernel. We find that
re-copying the netboot kernel and initrd.gz files from a mirror
resolves this.
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2778 [21:34:21] <mac`> good day, i am having issues on this
control group id
2779 [21:34:31] <mac`> systemd[1]: apache2.service: Failed to set
invocation ID on control group /system.slice/apache2.service
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2806 [21:48:46] <Something1> Debian uses partition names instead
of UUIDs for booting... how annoying
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2809 [21:49:40] <mac`> ty
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2812 [21:49:55] <greycat> Something1: Eh? No, a default install
uses UUIDs. Of course it'll use whatever you put there.
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2822 [21:52:32] <Something1> On first install it does, greycat.
After booting and using update-grub it will finally set the UUID for
booting.
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2828 [21:55:29] <Something1> So in my case, in GRUB hitting
´e´ to change it /dev/sda2 to /dev/sdb2. But that was a
frustrating 10 minutes of not thinking it would be that strange an
oversight
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2840 [22:04:06] <TTT> hi, I have a Debian/Stretch on an old hard
drive, with unencrypted root. I bought a new HDD. I want to transfer
the old system to new drive, but I want LUKS encrypted root. First,
can I have 1 partition with everything LUKS encrypted, or do I need
separate /boot and root? Second, how do I transfer unencryted root
system to LUKS encrypted system without reinstall?
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2853 [22:18:21] <monty86> would gtk packages look correct on xfce?
2854 [22:18:26] <monty86> the styling and the fonts
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2857 [22:19:23] <Something1> Yes monty86. XFCE is gtk too, albeit
version 2 while the gnome and mate apps are version 3
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2861 [22:21:21] <monty86> oh ok
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2915 [22:50:45] <TTT> how big should /boot partition be?
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2918 [22:53:36] <greycat> Mine's using 39M currently. So...
multiply that by at least 10?
2919 [22:53:48] <greycat> Depending on how long you plan to keep
this machine.
2920 [22:54:33] <greycat> Also increase the size if you plan to
keep lots of kernel images around, e.g. because you run
testing/unstable or some unusual architecture or whatever.
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2925 [22:55:46] <monty86> should I scrap my perfectly setup
opensuse and install debian just cause of 1 package failing to work?
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2928 [22:56:56] <jhutchins_wk> monty86: We think you should.
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2954 [23:10:37] <Something1> monty86, it´s not perfect if a
package fails to work :P
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2959 [23:15:38] <Something1> I love how in Linux I can put the
host in standby, take out the OS drive, edit in another computer,
and plug it back in, and upon resume it acts like nothing happened.
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2962 [23:16:40] <monty86> what is the default web browser in lxde
in debian?
2963 [23:19:42] <Something1> firefox-esr if no other browser is
specified
2964 [23:21:49] <greycat> Oh, there it is -- it's in the
*Recommends* on lxde. Recommends: ... firefox-esr | firefox |
replaced-url
2965 [23:22:13] <greycat> it's possible to waste a bunch of
time recursively checking only the Depends
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2973 [23:26:48] <monty86> sorry one more question, does the
default debian installation include the packages for connecting to
network shares (cifs)?
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2975 [23:27:02] <greycat> If you mean samba-client, then no. But
you can install it.
2976 [23:27:05] <monty86> i remember back in 2011 I had to install
cifs-utils
2977 [23:27:27] <monty86> but that was when I did a minimal
install with fluxbox
2978 [23:27:40] <greycat> A "default" Debian
installation means a lot of different things to a lot of different
people, by the way.
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2980 [23:28:34] <monty86> oh ok
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2984 [23:31:04] <monty86> one thing that worries me is the 2+ year
release cycle
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2988 [23:31:55] <Something1> Lots of people use the unstable
branch for home computers
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2994 [23:34:03] <monty86> From a community point of view openSUSE
is far more open than Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian and many other
distribution. Other distributions tend to be more tightly controlled
by corporate sponsors or community governance processes that
leverage technical boards, community committees, self appointed
benevolent dictators (<- that's Mark Shuttleworth in his own
words) and lots of bureaucracy. We maintain a German-engineering
culture
2995 [23:34:05] <monty86> associated with directness and high
quality standards - if you do the work, you get the respect. Nobody
tells you what to do.
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2997 [23:34:07] <hicks> monty86: Depending on what you need, that
2+ years can be an advantage. Little changes in the base system, no
new bugs to worry about :) Hopefully there's only a few
programs you need latest version of and for that, backports can be
useful.
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