• 0[00:00:12] <jaggzt> anyone know how to get spellcheck working in libreoffice [writer]?
• 1[00:00:30] <jaggzt> I don't see a dictionary.. spellcheck pops up and finds nothing at all..
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• 3[00:00:59] <jaggzt> I think perhaps I have no dictionary installed or something
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• 11[00:03:14] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: libreoffice uses hunspell, you can search for hunspell in apt, make sure the hunspell dictionary for your language is installed
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• 13[00:03:51] <jaggzt> thanks
• 14[00:03:54] <jaggzt> so not myspell-
• 15[00:04:37] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: myspell might be an option, but on my systme libreoffice is using hunspell and i had to install hunspell-en-ca
• 16[00:05:12] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, I installed it but I don't see where to enable it.. or otherwise get it working
• 17[00:05:26] <jaggzt> (I assume restarting lowriter is sufficient and I don't need a full reboot)
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• 20[00:06:55] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: no reboot necessary. Tools menu > options > Language Settings > Writing Aids
• 21[00:08:04] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: libreoffice itself might need to restart
• 22[00:08:12] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, ahh.. looks like I then needed to pick it in the Tools -> Language -> For all text
• 23[00:08:20] <jaggzt> (paragraph and selection too maybe.. I did all 3)
• 24[00:08:23] <jaggzt> thanks a lot :)
• 25[00:08:36] <jaggzt> yeah I closed down my numerous lo windows :)
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• 27[00:08:44] <jaggzt> how are you?
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• 32[00:10:44] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: not bad, it's time for food
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• 34[00:11:21] <terminalmage> jelly: turned out to be Killmode in systemd
• 35[00:11:41] <terminalmage> was set to default and SIGTERM'ing everything
• 36[00:12:00] <terminalmage> updating it to KillMode=process fixes it
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• 42[00:13:17] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: thank you (2 birds with one stone), you fixed my issue, was missing hunspell-en-ca (will add to my install script).
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• 44[00:13:56] <jaggzt> heh
• 45[00:14:16] <zykotick9> jaggzt: thanks for asking ;)
• 46[00:14:33] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: i don't kill birds! i'm a vegetarian! how about "two politicans with one tomato"?
• 47[00:14:55] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: works for me :)
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• 60[00:19:24] <jaggzt> zykotick9, :)
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• 62[00:19:28] <TomTomTosch> zykotick9, english canadian is what you desire? :3
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• 67[00:20:18] <TomTomTosch> i think your default language for hunspell is installed per default with gnome.
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• 71[00:20:42] <zykotick9> TomTomTosch: it is. my local was set to that (automatically), and libreoffice wasn't spellchecking... hunspell-en-ca installed, libreoffice restarted, working.
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• 73[00:21:13] <zykotick9> TomTomTosch: i don't have gnome/kde/xfce installed... so that might be why it was missing.
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• 75[00:21:26] <TomTomTosch> alright :)
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• 78[00:22:19] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: hunspell-en-ca didn't get install automatically for me with task-desktop-gnome, but hunspell-en-us was there. for other languages i bet that the task-$lang packages pull them in if available
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• 91[00:26:39] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: i certainly had hunspell-en-us as well...
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• 99[00:28:21] <TomTomTosch> hah, it does only pull en-us. that's lame.
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• 110[00:31:52] <TomTomTosch> and task-$lang-desktop pulls the libreoffice-l10n package but hunspell is only a suggestion. ah well.
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• 115[00:34:55] <Lisa1234> Hi. I'm back with more questions. 1) Do I have to "prepare" this desktop PC somehow before installing Debian? 2) What is the currenct recommended/correct way of installing Debian... from? Should I put the netinstall stuff on a CD-RW disc or on a USB disk?
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• 118[00:36:22] <r6ku> Lisa1234: 1) make backups 2) put it on whatever you have at hand
• 119[00:36:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> Lisa1234, netinstall on USB should be reasonable. No preparation needed.
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• 123[00:37:16] <Lisa1234> r6ku: Eduard_Munteanu: What would you use to put the netinstall on a USB? I mean, what method? Any cool software?
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• 125[00:37:33] <TomTomTosch> Lisa1234, do you want to dualboot?
• 126[00:37:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> Lisa1234, from Windows or another Linux?
• 127[00:38:05] <Lisa1234> TomTomTosch: Nope.
• 128[00:38:07] <Lisa1234> Eduard_Munteanu: From W7.
• 129[00:38:12] <mtn> Lisa1234: replaced-url
• 130[00:38:15] <r6ku> Lisa1234: replaced-url
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• 136[00:38:50] <TomTomTosch> !win32diskimager
• 137[00:38:50] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
• 138[00:38:58] <markybob> don't use rufus
• 139[00:39:06] <markybob> Lisa1234: do that TomTomTosch said
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• 142[00:39:13] <Lisa1234> 3 differenct recommendations so far? Welp!
• 143[00:39:23] <TomTomTosch> markybob, see, i learned a new trick ;D
• 144[00:39:30] <markybob> :)
• 145[00:39:31] <r6ku> markybob: why not? I don't know this one
• 146[00:39:37] <markybob> !rufus
• 147[00:39:38] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 148[00:39:46] <markybob> because it fucks things up
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• 150[00:40:24] <Lisa1234> Do we all agree on win32diskimager then?
• 151[00:40:30] <markybob> Lisa1234: yes
• 152[00:40:31] <r6ku> yeah
• 153[00:40:45] <Lisa1234> Great. I hope idiots like me can understand it.
• 154[00:41:16] <markybob> Lisa1234: laptop or desktop?
• 155[00:41:29] <Lisa1234> Desktop.
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• 158[00:41:50] <Shib> good evening everyone
• 159[00:42:28] <Shib> i have a question, anyone active?
• 160[00:42:48] <TomTomTosch> just ask. from the 1.7k people here someone will know ;D
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• 163[00:43:56] <Shib> when i'm starting my encrypted debian
• 164[00:44:09] <Shib> when i need to type in my disk password
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• 167[00:44:26] <Shib> there always stands: volumegroup not found, lvm not found and so on
• 168[00:44:37] <Shib> it works, but i find it confusing ...
• 169[00:45:08] <TomTomTosch> well, if you don't have a lvm, she will probably not find one.
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• 171[00:46:55] <Shib> what does that mean?
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• 173[00:47:13] <Shib> on the installation i chose guided with encrypted lvm
• 174[00:47:27] <Shib> and why is volumegroup not found there
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• 177[00:47:49] <TomTomTosch> it checks for something first, which it can't find, because it's encrypted.
• 178[00:48:22] <TomTomTosch> it does the same for me.
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• 186[00:52:42] <TomTomTosch> Shib, the lvm is completely encrypted. that's why it can't find it until you decrypt.
• 187[00:52:47] <Shib> TomTomTosch: aaaaah, allright - so thats great! :DD
• 188[00:53:03] <Shib> awesome, thank you for your help :)
• 189[00:53:56] <TomTomTosch> maybe someone else here know more about it though. i'm not sure why it tries to find it first.
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• 199[00:59:58] <jeff__> Does nvidia have better debian support than AMD for openGL programs?
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• 201[01:01:56] <Lisa1234> I'm not saying it's needed, but is there anything like this for Debian? Just curious. "Real Time Keystroke Encryption"
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• 214[01:04:37] <petemc> Lisa1234: that sounds conceptually difficult
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• 216[01:04:53] <r6ku> anti-keylogging software?
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• 218[01:05:31] <jeff__> Check your network feed for any out going signals
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• 220[01:06:04] <BinBasher> Lisa1234: honestly, since accelerometers from phones on the same table as your keyboard/laptop can be used to log keys, you'll have to fix that hardware-wise as well :-)
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• 224[01:07:00] <BinBasher> you should also check that keys aren't getting double-registered
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• 228[01:07:15] <Lisa1234> petemc: Well, it exists (or so it is claimed) for Windows.
• 229[01:07:20] <Lisa1234> BinBasher: What do you mean exactly?
• 230[01:07:27] <petemc> keyboards are hardware
• 231[01:07:52] <jeff__> IOS and android are very different from Windows
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• 234[01:08:11] <BinBasher> petemc: yes, yes they are
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• 236[01:08:30] <BinBasher> Lisa1234: what do you mean what do I mean?
• 237[01:08:37] <Lisa1234> This is the only feature I'm after (if it exists). replaced-url
• 238[01:08:53] <Lisa1234> BinBasher: "accelerometers from phones on the same table..."
• 239[01:09:07] <a4> hey guys i have a gcw zero and from search i found that there is a debian version of the links web browser
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• 241[01:09:13] <jeff__> IOS has that
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• 243[01:10:10] <TomTomTosch> a4, yes, there is.
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• 245[01:11:01] <a4> would anyone on here be able to port it to the gcw i would be very greatfull
• 246[01:11:06] <Lisa1234> I guess there's no such thing, but it doesn't matter. I was just curious.
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• 248[01:11:38] <jeff__> replaced-url
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• 250[01:11:41] <BinBasher> yes Lisa1234 it's a little device inside most mobile phones which keeps track of the way the phone is positioned, using gravity. If the phone is on the same (hard) table as your keyboard it can be used (the more sensitive the better) to log keys you press on your keyboard
• 251[01:11:51] <BinBasher> it has been successfully tested
• 252[01:12:05] <Lisa1234> BinBasher: Oh, but I don't even own a cellphone.
• 253[01:12:07] <Lisa1234> So not a problem for me. :D
• 254[01:12:15] <BinBasher> Lisa1234: other people do
• 255[01:12:19] <jeff__> you can get a android phone for 20 dollars
• 256[01:12:23] <Lisa1234> BinBasher: Not in my house. :|
• 257[01:12:24] <BinBasher> in case you're using a laptop
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• 259[01:12:27] <BinBasher> oh
• 260[01:12:29] <BinBasher> alright!
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• 263[01:12:47] <Lisa1234> BinBasher: What do you even think about the software I linked? Are they for real?
• 264[01:12:53] <Lisa1234> BinBasher: Is that possible/
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• 267[01:13:30] <BinBasher> Lisa1234: let me check
• 268[01:13:32] <jeff__> set compiler flags in debian
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• 270[01:15:03] <BinBasher> Lisa1234: what kind of attack are you trying to protect yourself from?
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• 273[01:15:45] <BinBasher> if the attacker was able to install a keylogger on the system, wouldn't they be able to remove said "encryption" software?
• 274[01:15:58] <TomTomTosch> a4, you would probably have more luck asking their community. i don't think many people have that device.
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• 276[01:16:48] <Lisa1234> BinBasher: Probably. :P
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• 279[01:18:04] <BinBasher> Lisa1234: protection like that has to go really low-level
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• 281[01:18:13] <Lisa1234> BinBasher: I know. I know.
• 282[01:18:14] <Lisa1234> Brb.
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• 285[01:19:01] <petemc> Lisa1234: read up on what happens when you press a key on a keyboard, its well documented. then try to think where you could add encryption
• 286[01:19:09] <TomTomTosch> a4, you don't need to msg me, you can ask everything here. and no, without having access to a device i can't port to it.
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• 290[01:20:32] <whiterabbit87> trying to figure out how often this screen shot is going to happen
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• 292[01:20:37] <whiterabbit87> howdy folks
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• 294[01:21:20] <a4> ok there is a thing they have on the forum called qemu wich is an emu of the os
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• 298[01:23:01] <BinBasher> a4: those are really big birds
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• 300[01:23:39] <tharkun> Good $DATE on my laptop I have on .xprofile amixer set Master 20% unmute Which enables the sound card on a resonable volume If I start playing some music. This only happens to one setting, the one currently connected. Either earphones or the speakers. Is there a way to set it for both. It is really unpleasent to bust your ears when using the earphones on have a loud sound when disconecting them.
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• 303[01:26:45] <whiterabbit87> lets say you use freebsd or opensuse , how would you go about setting up gnome to run flawlessly as it does on kali or ubuntu? kali is cool but sure enough its a setup! (in an indian voice) "have you updated with google privacy terms of agrement?"
• 304[01:27:29] <markybob> whiterabbit87: why would you be asking that in #debian?
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• 311[01:29:11] <BinBasher> whiterabbit87: here's how: you install the debian netinstaller on a usb, reboot into it and install debian gnome
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• 317[01:31:29] <AlexLikeRock> Hi dudes!
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• 319[01:31:52] <AlexLikeRock> How to run gnome without SystemD?
• 320[01:32:06] <AlexLikeRock> Its posible?
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• 347[01:38:41] <ToHellWithGA> how can i make networking kick itself in the ass when it loses wifi connection?
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• 350[01:39:21] <ToHellWithGA> my wifi may stay up for a day or an hour, but once it fails i have to 'invoke-rc.d [networking/network-manager] restart' or it won't reconnect
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• 356[01:41:54] <a4> hey tomtomtosch do you think you would be able to port it or should i ask around somemore
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• 375[01:53:25] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> I've downloaded dvds 1 to 3 plus updates 1 to 2 from here replaced-url
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• 378[01:54:43] <dvs> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, only the first few DVD isos are avaiable for download. If you want more iso, you have to use another download technique like jigdo.
• 379[01:55:54] <zykotick9> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: do you really lack internet? if you have internet then netinst is all you would ever need... saves a lot of downloading unused packages...
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• 387[01:57:39] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> dvs: you mean the first 3 dvds ... Are there any particular reasons for that?
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• 389[01:57:58] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> zykotick9: I've a bad internet connection at home
• 390[01:58:02] <markybob> dvs: too many resources for stuff most people never use
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• 392[01:58:28] <markybob> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: oops ^
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• 398[02:01:13] <dvs> hey!
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• 400[02:01:42] <dvs> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, but markybob is right. Most people dont download all the DVD ISOs.
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• 407[02:03:23] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> dvs: do you mean that only the first two dvds are required for the installation while the rest are optional?
• 408[02:03:44] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> I never tried debian before
• 409[02:04:14] <dvs> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, you only need the first DVD (not even) to do the install as long as you have an internet connection.
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• 419[02:07:39] <zykotick9> LJHSLDJHSDLJH: note, debian is not at 8.3... so your DVDs are already a bit outdated, and will require downloading updates from the internet... i really think the dvds are a waste, YMMV. note, if you have more then one machine on your home network, you might want to look into apt-cache-ng. best of luck with debian though, enjoy.
• 420[02:07:50] <zykotick9> s/not at/now at/
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• 424[02:11:10] <okee> Is there a way to map dev fd0 to the actual drive name?
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• 429[02:14:11] <zykotick9> okee: can i ask, what do you consider an "actual drive name"?
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• 434[02:15:16] <okee> zykotick9> /dev/sdb1 which is mounted as /storage
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• 437[02:15:44] <zykotick9> okee: so what does that have to do with fd0 then?
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• 442[02:16:47] <okee> I have a bunch of ERDY and I/O errors in my syslog, and trying to figure out which drive is got the problem. There may be more than one problem, because I was just forced to reboot in the main Jessie drive, and that might be a memory error. I think I need a new computer.
• 443[02:16:54] <zykotick9> okee: <sidenote> i assume your copy/pasting nicknames... did you know you can tab complete in irc-clients.... like z-y-k-TAB would probably complete mine.
• 444[02:17:29] <okee> zykotick9> ok
• 445[02:17:32] <zykotick9> okee: do you have a floppy drive? might be way your getting I/O errors for fd0
• 446[02:17:37] <zykotick9> okee: fail ;)
• 447[02:17:53] <okee> do cable problems also cause the ERDY Error?
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• 450[02:18:11] <zykotick9> i'm not sure what ERDY would be?!?!
• 451[02:18:27] <okee> ERDY means you have an imminent hard drive failure.
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• 456[02:19:55] <markybob> okee: please answer if you have a floppy drive
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• 458[02:20:11] <okee> zykotick9> I do have a floppy drive, but it isn't used, and Jessie Linux is not able to pick up ntfs drives at all in the gui, and some of them are not showing up with blkid. However, all of them are showing up with a live Knoppix disk.
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• 462[02:21:06] <zykotick9> okee: ummm, me recalls this from earlier/yesterday... sorry as soon as you say NTFS - i've lost interest. good luck.
• 463[02:21:39] <okee> zykotick9> I am running Jessie Linux, and just trying to read drives that were originally created in ntfs.
• 464[02:22:10] <zykotick9> okee: good luck. don't include my nick further...
• 465[02:22:12] <markybob> yet somehow we're talking about /dev/fd0
• 466[02:22:35] <okee> zykotick9> My question has to do with syslog. I don't even know that the ERDY error I am receiving is even associated with NTFS drives. I don't know what drive the error relates to. Inside the line within syslog is dev sd0
• 467[02:22:44] <markybob> !ntfs-3g
• 468[02:22:44] <dpkg> NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: replaced-url
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• 470[02:23:07] <okee> ntfs-3g is already on here, and other people advise there have been no issues with the package.
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• 472[02:23:24] <markybob> okee: so read the link i gave you on HOW to use it
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• 474[02:23:39] <okee> markybob> On how to use what?
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• 476[02:24:08] <markybob> okee: ntfs-3g. c'mon. you have to think. i told you that last night. listen and think. read what we give you. or no one will keep talking to you
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• 481[02:25:22] <okee> markybob> The problem I talking about has nothing to do with ntfs-3g. There are hardware problems. There are lots of I/O errors in the syslog, as well as ERDY errors, which means that one of the drives may have imminent failure.
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• 483[02:25:42] <okee> markybob> The info from syslog was discovered after you provided me the link.
• 484[02:25:54] <markybob> i'm checking out too. you go back on forth so much. /dev/fd0...no one knows what you're talking about.
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• 496[02:28:38] <simonlnu> floppy drive?
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• 501[02:29:47] <okee> markybob> replaced-url
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• 503[02:30:53] <a4> hi i was wondering if anyone could make a port of the links web browser
• 504[02:31:13] <a4> to the gcw zero
• 505[02:31:29] <simonlnu> not the right place to ask for that
• 506[02:31:40] <simonlnu> file a bug on the package
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• 510[02:32:41] <jmcnaught> okee: is this a desktop? do you have a floppy drive? do you ever use it? try to disable it in the bios if you don't have/use one.
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• 512[02:33:22] <Ouroboros> so is btrfs considered stable now?
• 513[02:33:34] <simonlnu> there's probably something trying to read it, so when there's no media found it ERDYs
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• 515[02:33:55] <okee> jmcnaught> This is a desktop. There is a floppy drive, and it isn't used at all, and has been in the computer for the entire 9 years I have owned the computer. There has been no issues with it. I don't know how to read syslog lines, which is why I was asking what the sd0 means.
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• 517[02:34:23] <simonlnu> sd0?
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• 520[02:34:47] <simonlnu> fd0 maybe, sdX is the HDDs,
• 521[02:34:55] <jmcnaught> okee: the last paste you made says fd0, which would be a floppy drive. disable it in the bios is probably easiest, i bet you could disable it with udev too though
• 522[02:35:22] <jmcnaught> okee: if you're getting similar errors about sd0, paste.d.n those too
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• 529[02:38:52] <okee> jmcnaught> If sd0 is the floppy, then there may be more than one type of hardware failure going on replaced-url
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• 534[02:41:22] <jmcnaught> okee: fd0 is floppy. F for floppy. sdX is hard drives, S for SATA
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• 539[02:42:27] <jmcnaught> okee: if you want the errors about fd0 (floppy) to stop and you don't use it anymore, disable it in bios or disconnect it from inside your case.
• 540[02:43:14] <okee> jmcnaught> I will be disabling the floppy. Is this a Sata drive error replaced-url
• 541[02:43:20] <simonlnu> dvs: used to be ;)
• 542[02:43:53] <simonlnu> it is still, but that ide code got merged into the scsi subsystem
• 543[02:44:12] <simonlnu> ...years ago
• 544[02:44:28] <dvs> ...a long long time ago...
• 545[02:44:40] <simonlnu> yeah :)
• 546[02:44:56] <jmcnaught> okee: that could be a harddrive, or an optical drive maybe.
• 547[02:45:29] <okee> jmcnaught> Where can I find more information on interpreting syslog files?
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• 549[02:45:50] <jmcnaught> okee: did you do any web searches for those errors?
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• 556[02:49:53] <okee> jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 557[02:51:29] <jmcnaught> okee: you could try that. if you installed gnome you probably also have the gnome disks utility, also known as palimpsest which has a GUI for doing SMART tests
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• 559[02:53:44] <okee> jmcnaught> I have tried to pin down where the problem is, and the fact that NTFS isn't visible doesn't mean the NTFS drive is the problem. I am leaning towards believing that the primary problem drive is the main Debian Jessie drive. I had problems reading a couple of files from this drive, so I would think this is the first drive that needs an immediate backup. I had to reboot once, which also suggest a possible memory problem. I may
• 560[02:53:44] <okee> run memtest after the backups are done, if I haven't been able to isolate the problem.
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• 566[02:56:56] <TomTomTosch> didn't you try it with a live cd too?
• 567[02:56:57] <simonlnu> sounds logical and reasonable
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• 569[02:57:32] <simonlnu> running a SMART test on the drive would be useful too, like jmcnaught said
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• 571[02:58:17] <jmcnaught> okee: backups are priority #1, do those first
• 572[02:58:37] <simonlnu> yeah
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• 601[03:19:12] <TheNH813> I have a question regarding Compiz. Why does gtk-window-decorator keep dying with a segmentation fault since I installed graphics drivers? OpenGL works now, but I get no window borders. Is there a way to use another program to draw window borders?
• 602[03:19:42] <TheNH813> I think gtk-window-decorator hates my GPU.
• 603[03:19:52] <zykotick9> teraflops: compiz was removed for a reason?!?!
• 604[03:20:01] <jmcnaught> TheNH813: what version of Debian are you using?
• 605[03:20:08] <TheNH813> Wheezy
• 606[03:20:14] <markybob> TheNH813: compiz has been gone for a long time because it's horrible
• 607[03:20:37] <jmcnaught> TheNH813: you must have gotten compiz from a third party source, it was not in Wheezy as far as i know
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• 609[03:21:07] <jmcnaught> TheNH813: best to replace compiz with something actually in Debian
• 610[03:21:13] <TheNH813> Yeah, a got it from Knoppi'x repo. I "borrowed" a few packages from there.
• 611[03:21:23] <TheNH813> That was probably a bad idea.
• 612[03:21:32] <TheNH813> Any other WM with similar effects?
• 613[03:21:33] <dvs> !frankendebian
• 614[03:21:33] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 615[03:21:35] <markybob> TheNH813: yeah frankendebian isn't supported because it breaks shit
• 616[03:22:07] <TheNH813> Yeah, I'l remove compiz then. Is there an alternative for fancy effects?
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• 618[03:23:13] <zykotick9> TheNH813: there are other compositing WMs... but i don't think any come close to wasting as much resources as compiz did... ymmv
• 619[03:23:46] <TheNH813> I mainly just want the desktop cube and fancy fadeout effects.
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• 623[03:24:04] <TheNH813> There's so many window managers I forget which is which.
• 624[03:24:28] <TheNH813> Or maybe I'l just go plain and simple and install JWM.
• 625[03:24:32] <simonlnu> compton is a nice balance between wasteful and sleek
• 626[03:24:43] <TheNH813> I'l look that up.
• 627[03:24:52] <simonlnu> works well with regular wms like openbox
• 628[03:24:56] <zykotick9> TheNH813: i'd look into if kde overs similar effect? i have no idea myself... /me is typing in irssi running in tmux, with dwm as a wm - so opposite end of the spectrum ;)
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• 631[03:25:26] <cafuego> yeh, effects make everything take more time than it needs to.
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• 634[03:26:43] <TheNH813> zykotick9: If I want to try compton do I have to build it from source? That's no problem, I was just curious as I can't fi it in apt-get.
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• 636[03:27:04] <TheNH813> Oops, mentioned wrong person.
• 637[03:27:08] <zykotick9> TheNH813: i have NO freakin' idea... i haven't used any of that eye candy in YEARS...
• 638[03:27:30] <TheNH813> Well, time to ask the magic answers machine known as a search engine.
• 639[03:27:33] <TomTomTosch> it's not in wheezy.
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• 642[03:27:54] <TomTomTosch> , v compton
• 643[03:27:55] <judd> Package: compton on amd64 -- stretch: 0.1~beta2-1; jessie: 0.1~beta2-1; sid: 0.1~beta2-1
• 644[03:28:10] <markybob> 0.1...heh. that promises to be great
• 645[03:28:27] <simonlnu> it's stable, surprisingly
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• 647[03:28:33] <TheNH813> Mkay. I'l go compile it then. I'm always curious to try new programs. Till they break stuff. XD
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• 653[03:30:17] <markybob> ,checkbackport compton --torelease wheezy
• 654[03:30:18] <judd> Backporting package compton in sid→wheezy/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
• 655[03:30:30] <jmcnaught> TheNH813: why not upgrade to jessie?
• 656[03:30:31] <markybob> !tell TheNH813 about ssb
• 657[03:30:58] <markybob> can't believe judd actually says it works.
• 658[03:31:51] <TheNH813> You know, I should really install a 64 bit OS.
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• 660[03:33:11] <TheNH813> By the way, newer versions of Debian the installer crashes on my PC. It just gives up at searching for installation media. I can never make a working live usb installer for debian. If I decide to upgrade, should I try the network installer?
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• 662[03:33:29] <TheNH813> ..
• 663[03:33:38] <TheNH813> Huh, compton has suprisingly few dependancies.
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• 665[03:34:06] <TomTomTosch> you should use the netinst image, not the live cd.
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• 667[03:34:12] <jmcnaught> TheNH813: the network installer is the one to use. there's also an unofficial netinst iso that includes most of the non-free firmwares, which is convenient
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• 669[03:35:10] <TheNH813> I think I'l just go do that.
• 670[03:36:13] <TheNH813> Question, is fglrx/catalyst legacy supported on the latest Debian stable?
• 671[03:36:35] <simonlnu> if i only knew about that alternate netinst, heh. wouldn't have done a prancing pony dance with my iwlwifi drivers when i reinstalled debian ;).
• 672[03:36:44] <Delf> Does Debian remove binary blobs from the kernel?
• 673[03:36:59] <zykotick9> Delf: yes.
• 674[03:37:19] <Delf> Isn't it a lot of work?
• 675[03:37:46] <TheNH813> Or should I say, is the version of Xorg on Debian Stable compatible with fglrx-legacy-dkms package?
• 676[03:37:47] <zykotick9> Delf: debian's linux kernel is free to a standard supported by fsf. it's equivalant to the linux-libre kernel.
• 677[03:37:49] <simonlnu> no, they tend to be put into very few locations, plus patching
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• 679[03:38:39] <simonlnu> TheNH813: i wouldn't know, but i imagine so; check deps ;)
• 680[03:39:00] <TheNH813> If so, I'l be super happy. Lemme check quick.
• 681[03:39:15] <simonlnu> GL
• 682[03:39:49] <markybob> TheNH813: they're only in wheezy-backports ...but the newer drivers should work
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• 685[03:40:34] <TheNH813> Hm.... I'm not sure if a HD4000/HD5000 series works on fglrx 14.9
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• 690[03:41:49] <TheNH813> *sigh* Knew it. 14.x dropped support for the HD4350.
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• 692[03:42:16] <TheNH813> Well, I'l see if install from source works then once I get Debian installed.
• 693[03:42:46] <Delf> zykotick9: So, it's like linux-libre but without the restriction to not allow blobs to load?
• 694[03:43:03] <zykotick9> Delf: yup
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• 698[03:44:11] <TomTomTosch> TheNH813, get the one that is packageg for debian. that's 15.9 for jessie.
• 699[03:44:25] <TomTomTosch> fglrx-driver. the wiki has it all.
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• 701[03:45:42] <TheNH813> Oh wow. replaced-url
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• 704[03:45:51] <TheNH813> Look at that chart.
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• 706[03:47:11] <TheNH813> I wonder who took the time to draw that. I can't believe how many variants of Debian are well known.
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• 708[03:47:37] <TomTomTosch> tehehe, SuSE -> SUSE -> openSUSE
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• 711[03:48:26] <TomTomTosch> TheNH813, anyway, your card is not supported by the ati drivers in debian. neither the free ones nor the non-free ones. time to upgrade? :3
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• 714[03:48:56] * dvs looks at his video card.
• 715[03:49:03] <TheNH813> AGP8X is annoying. Time for a new motherboard in that case.
• 716[03:49:46] <cafuego> Fancy AGP. I think my laptop before the one before the one before the current one had that ;-)
• 717[03:50:21] <TheNH813> So, yeah. It's getting time for hardware overhaul day. I just keep sneaking by due to sheer luck.
• 718[03:50:50] <TheNH813> I got that HD4350 a year ago for super cheap. Had a Geforce4 before that.
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• 720[03:51:53] <TheNH813> Well, new Debian and new hardware time I guess. I can at least get a pci-e motherboard for my somewhat decent cpu. Thanks for the suggestions and help.
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• 727[03:53:08] <TheNH813> cafuego: Indeed. :D
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• 729[03:53:23] <TheNH813> Laters....
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• 741[03:57:21] <TomTomTosch> interesting that fglrx-legacy-driver is only in wheezy-backports though. would be nice to have that, HD4000 is not that old.
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• 761[04:10:44] <uio> Hi ! Is there a light-weight debian that could be run from a usb persistant ?
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• 773[04:15:09] <jmcnaught> uio: there is debian live, but its maintainer recently stopped working on it. the docs that used be be available to detail how to do persistence
• 774[04:15:26] <jmcnaught> uio: you can also use the regular debian installer to install to a USB stick
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• 778[04:16:23] <uio> jmcnaught: Thanks.
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• 781[04:17:12] <jmcnaught> uio: if you go the debian-live route, you might be able to find the relevant docs on archive.org's way-back machine.
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• 785[04:18:12] <uio> jmcnaught: My laptop has a dying hdd so I want something that I could use regularly; do you think that this would be suitable ? I have been using Puppy Linux, but miss apt-get..
• 786[04:18:27] <markybob> uio: replaced-url
• 787[04:19:21] <uio> markybob: Thanks.
• 788[04:19:28] <jmcnaught> uio: i did at one point have a debian install on a USB stick that I used a few times. It was slow because it was a cheap stick. It'll probably be somewhat useful until you can replace the drive
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• 792[04:20:25] <uio> jmcnaught: The machine is an old Thinkpad t40 - it won't be getting a new hdd ! The ubs set-up has been good, but I just don't really like Puppy.
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• 795[04:21:27] <jmcnaught> uio: there might be a used/off-lease laptop vendor in your local area that might be willing to sell you an equally old but not failing HDD from a t40
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• 798[04:21:46] <jmcnaught> uio: does your laptop boot from USB?
• 799[04:21:47] <uio> jmcnaught: Good idea.
• 800[04:21:54] <uio> jmcnaught: Yep !
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• 802[04:22:08] <uio> jmcnaught: It is in great shape the hdd aside.
• 803[04:22:15] * simonlnu is using a latitude e6420
• 804[04:22:37] <uio> jmcnaught: I just avoid using the hdd so as to avoid any sudden document losses.
• 805[04:22:39] <simonlnu> needs more ram, but works really nicely
• 806[04:22:46] <cafuego> uio: Why not get an SSD? Just transplant that if you ever get a new laptop.
• 807[04:23:01] <jmcnaught> uio: you should definitely do backups
• 808[04:23:06] <uio> jmcnaught: So there are no light-weight made for usb debian derivatives ?
• 809[04:23:15] <simonlnu> 4 GB isn't enough for certain things
• 810[04:23:26] <uio> jmcnaught: I sync all my important stuff online, and am prepared to lose the rest.
• 811[04:23:27] <cafuego> simonlnu: neither is 16 :-)
• 812[04:23:39] <simonlnu> yeah, i know, LOL
• 813[04:23:53] <uio> cafuego: any good sites for sdd ?
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• 816[04:24:02] <uio> cafuego: *SSD
• 817[04:24:03] <markybob> uio: newegg
• 818[04:24:08] <jmcnaught> uio: we only support Debian here, not the derivatives. Debian has a lot of advantages over the (small) derivatives, and Debian can be installed with a light-weight DE
• 819[04:24:17] <cafuego> uio: Yes, but unless you're in Melbourne they're not useful.
• 820[04:24:32] <uio> cafuego: ah-
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• 822[04:24:46] <uio> cafuego: I'm on the otherside of the equator !
• 823[04:25:00] <cafuego> poor bastard :-)
• 824[04:25:50] <uio> maybe this is too off topic (yes, I can move to the offtopic channel, what is its name ?) but would a 2003 laptop even take ssd ?
• 825[04:26:15] <markybob> uio: if it's normal HD is SATA
• 826[04:26:25] <cafuego> uio: as long as the connector fits
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• 828[04:26:44] <zykotick9> uio: WARNING the t40 uses IDE and NOT SATA HDs!!! i don't think an SSD will work (unless you use the ultrabay)!!! cafuego
• 829[04:26:53] <markybob> oh dear
• 830[04:26:55] <uio> zykotick9: Thanks !
• 831[04:27:02] <uio> zykotick9: but sight.
• 832[04:27:11] <cafuego> though you'll have a hard time finding ide ssd drives prolly
• 833[04:27:12] <uio> zykotick9: *sigh
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• 835[04:27:21] <uio> cafuego: yeah..
• 836[04:27:34] <cafuego> it's a lovly way of speeding up an old machine though
• 837[04:27:36] <uio> cafuego: It just hardly seems worth it.
• 838[04:27:49] <cafuego> made my netbook actually useable
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• 840[04:28:01] <uio> cafuego: but wouldn't the processor just limit the speed anyway ?
• 841[04:28:32] <markybob> uio: ide i/o is terrible. that's your main problem.
• 842[04:28:36] <cafuego> uio: Nah, the slowest aprt of any general use computer has been disk i/o for a long time now.
• 843[04:29:11] <uio> markybob: But running off a usb I should be side-stepping that, no ?
• 844[04:29:27] <zykotick9> markybob: ide i/o is FAST comparted to USB2+crapy-flash-media
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• 846[04:29:32] <cafuego> uio: I used to have a 2nd gen Atom netbook with a 5400rpm sata drive... that was awful. Same netbook with an ssd... was lovely.
• 847[04:29:33] <uio> right now I am using a usb distro and it is okay for speed, but nothing amazing.
• 848[04:29:45] <markybob> uio: i don't know what you have. usb1? i'd hit myself. buy a used laptop
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• 850[04:30:18] <cafuego> apart from the bit where the ssd was so light that it kept rolling backwards if i opened it too wide becaise nothing to weigh down the front :-)
• 851[04:30:26] <uio> markybob: I just love that it actually works even though it is over 10 years old. Magic.
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• 853[04:30:56] <cafuego> uio: My 20 year old AMD K6-2 server will works fine too ;-)
• 854[04:31:04] <uio> so ssd is not an option for the T40...
• 855[04:31:16] <uio> cafuego: nice !
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• 858[04:33:02] <uio> thanks for the help. 'night
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• 860[04:33:47] <jmcnaught> cafuego: there are worse things in the world than a laptop that is too light
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• 873[04:41:29] <Dkmstr> Hello Everyone. I was recently given access to a Debian VM for a crash course in it's operating system. I'm extremely new to this kind of thing, and I need the ability to use the box as a Virtual Host, so I can host databases on it. I have absolutely no idea where to begin.
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• 875[04:42:37] <markybob> Dkmstr: so probably read replaced-url
• 876[04:42:54] <markybob> Dkmstr: then read a lot about mysql
• 877[04:43:03] <Dkmstr> I have MySQL, Phpmyadmin, and PHP 5 installed on the box at the moment,
• 878[04:43:15] <Dkmstr> My issue is I have absolutely no idea how to use the box as a Virtual Host for a website
• 879[04:44:52] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: installing apache2 would be a good place to start. mod_php is not ideal, but easy to start with, and you can pretty much just put files in /var/replaced-url
• 880[04:45:05] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: and of course referring to the documentation
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• 882[04:46:07] <Dkmstr> jmcnaught: Installing apache2 was the first thing I did once I got a hold of the box, as for what you suggested regarding the /var/replaced-url
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• 884[04:46:30] <Dkmstr> Unfortunately, I'm completely clueless on this matter, so I apologize if I'm not making sense
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• 888[04:47:58] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: i know what you mean. If you look at that 000-default as an example, you'll see it has a DocumentRoot directive that points at /var/replaced-url
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• 891[04:48:49] <Dkmstr> Alright, I'll give it a shot
• 892[04:48:53] <Dkmstr> Thanks for the help jmcnaught
• 893[04:49:00] <simonlnu> first thing i do is change everything to /srv/replaced-url
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• 908[04:55:38] <Mogstradamus> What are the settings to auto load a luks swap? I have tried putting it in /etc/crypttab, but it keeps getting stuck at boot until I hit esc, and it doesn't become active. The other luks partition loads fine.
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• 913[04:57:43] <zykotick9> Mogstradamus: i couldn't find in right now... but a couple days ago i do remember reading that /etc/crypttab is the wrong place for swap partitions.... i only have my lvm in mine, so not a good example.... good luck. PS i have no idea what the right answer was...
• 914[04:57:56] <ryouma> Mogstradamus: is it in fstab?
• 915[04:58:08] <markybob> Mogstradamus: debian doesn't do encrypted swap by defaut. or even at all in the installer. replaced-url
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• 917[04:58:52] <markybob> Mogstradamus: i liked
• 918[04:58:55] <ryouma> Mogstradamus: try swap /dev/sda15 /dev/urandom cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=256,swap
• 919[04:58:59] <markybob> lied
• 920[04:59:01] <Mogstradamus> ryouma, yes, it is. and it appears like it gets stuck because there is an attempt to check it at boot, but it's not unlocked.
• 921[04:59:04] <ryouma> Mogstradamus: then /dev/mapper/swap none swap sw 0 0
• 922[04:59:16] <Mogstradamus> markybob, I know it doesnt. I did it manually
• 923[04:59:31] <jmcnaught> Mogstradamus: what i do when installing is make an encrypted volume, use that to make an LVM volume group, and divide that volume group up including swap. that way everything is encrypted, only one passphrase
• 924[04:59:32] <ryouma> Mogstradamus: beware initramfs crap
• 925[05:00:05] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: the other big advantage with encrypted lvm, is it allows hibernation to still work (by default)
• 926[05:00:32] <Mogstradamus> well, the problem is not that it won't work. If I unlock the swap manually, then make it active, it works. the problem is that it's not unlocked at boot.
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• 928[05:00:56] <markybob> Mogstradamus: why not lvm that inclues it?
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• 931[05:01:48] <Mogstradamus> I don't usually use lvm, I'd have to look into it. Other distros, never needed it for one passphrase luks of full drive, so it's new to me.
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• 934[05:02:07] <Mogstradamus> systemd seems to have some features to do that.
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• 937[05:03:29] <jmcnaught> Mogstradamus: LVM is definitely worth learning, it offers a lot more flexibility than plain partitions, and has cool features like snapshots
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• 939[05:03:54] <Mogstradamus> jmcnaught, it also adds more complication to the drive scheme, doesn't it?
• 940[05:04:22] <Mogstradamus> I never use hibernation. I disable it. only need s2ram.
• 941[05:04:38] <jmcnaught> Mogstradamus: it adds a layer of abstraction that is easier to manage in my opinion than partitions
• 942[05:04:53] <zykotick9> Mogstradamus: do you use "home directory encryption"?
• 943[05:04:58] <markybob> Mogstradamus: agreed. it's really easy
• 944[05:04:58] <Mogstradamus> I did skim it in the past. gave me pain when cloning.
• 945[05:05:22] <Mogstradamus> zykotick9, no, I encripted the entire root, with a separate /boot unencrypted.
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• 948[05:06:32] <zykotick9> Mogstradamus: that sure sounds a lot like my encrypted lvm setup (done from installer) that has one password for everything... ymmv (note: i don't really take advantage of the lvm benefits myself, it's the one password for everything that appeals to me)
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• 950[05:07:56] <Mogstradamus> zykotick9, I did install it that way, since the installer allowed it, but I skipped lvm. but I wanted to change the luks names (from crypt_sdx1, etc), so I chrooted and did so. the only problem now is swap at boot, but it's a minor problem I can fix later.
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• 955[05:08:22] <zykotick9> Mogstradamus: it's the "skipped lvm" that i personally think was an error... YMMV!
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• 957[05:08:51] <Mogstradamus> zykotick9, maybe, but I know it can be done without lvm. I did it all the time on fedora and other debian based distros.
• 958[05:08:52] <markybob> agreed
• 959[05:09:45] <Mogstradamus> I could be wrong, but I think systemd has a feature that uses or acts like an on the fly lvm for luks
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• 962[05:12:12] <jmcnaught> Mogstradamus: Debian is flexible enough that there probably is a way to do what you want, but it seems like everyone responding prefers the LVM way
• 963[05:12:40] <Mogstradamus> jmcnaught, yes, I know, but I have my reasons for not using it. The cloning issues for one.
• 964[05:13:38] <Ouroboros> i heard some lvm horror stories
• 965[05:14:47] <markybob> i've heard dentist horror stories. i still go.
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• 967[05:15:04] <Mogstradamus> I'm not afraid of lvm, just lazy
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• 972[05:17:01] <markybob> Mogstradamus: doesn't seem like that laziness is working out for you
• 973[05:17:20] <Mogstradamus> markybob, it's fine. i've done it before.
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• 980[05:21:00] <sypher> Love it when people come in here asking for help, then ignore recommendations because "reasons" and "I want to do it my way" and "I'm lazy."
• 981[05:21:26] <lordarkmemo> right now im using debian 8. When debian 9 is realese, it upgrade automatically or is better to do a fresh install?
• 982[05:21:53] <jmcnaught> lordarkmemo: heh, i just answered you on OFTC. no need to cross-post :)
• 983[05:21:57] <markybob> lordarkmemo: neither. you'll need to read the release notes and follow what it says
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• 987[05:23:13] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: new to irc, i though was independent servers
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• 990[05:23:28] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: sorry
• 991[05:23:42] <jmcnaught> lordarkmemo: they are independent servers with a lot of the same people on both. no worries, no you know :)
• 992[05:23:55] <jmcnaught> s/no/now/
• 993[05:24:19] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: ok, thank you
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• 995[05:25:02] <jmcnaught> lordarkmemo: in your /etc/apt/sources.list do you have "jessie" or "stable"? If you have "stable", then when stretch becomes stable the upgrade might be automatic for you (and this is not desirable, better to pick a time that's good for you)
• 996[05:25:26] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: let me check
• 997[05:25:38] <markybob> it'd be automatic breakage :P
• 998[05:25:40] <jmcnaught> lordarkmemo: unless you changed it to say "stable" yourself, it should say "jessie".
• 999[05:26:19] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: i have jessie
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• 1001[05:27:31] <markybob> lordarkmemo: that's good. no automatic breakage
• 1002[05:27:34] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: so is better to let it in jessie?
• 1003[05:27:46] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: ok :)
• 1004[05:27:53] <hiya> Can anyone tell me easiest way to add IPv6 block to Debian Jessie? Also why did not it add during installation? Would it not detect it if it is /32 only?
• 1005[05:27:53] <jmcnaught> lordarkmemo: nice. so when you see in the news that Debian 9 is released, simply check the release notes for what to do. It's basically changing "jessie" to "stretch" and using apt-get dist-upgrade, but there are always a few other steps to check and things to know about
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• 1007[05:28:16] <Ouroboros> and then its going to be broken anyway
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• 1010[05:28:46] <sypher> hiya: /32 only? Does that mean you have a /32 available?
• 1011[05:29:09] <Mogstradamus> sypher, it' should be ok to use different options.
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• 1013[05:29:47] <Ouroboros> lordarkmemo: i would always do a fresh install or at the very least test the upgrade process in a vm or similar first
• 1014[05:29:51] <hiya> sypher, many /32 in IPs list of VPS?
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• 1016[05:30:36] <Ouroboros> lordarkmemo: or at the very very least make a full backup first
• 1017[05:31:17] <sypher> hiya: So... I have no idea what that means. What I CAN tell you is that any host address is going to be in a /64. If you have a /32, you need to pick a /64 out of it to use, and then assign a single address from that /64. You don't assign a "block" of IPv6 addresses anymore than you would assign a whole IPv4 /24 to a single machine.
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• 1019[05:32:14] <hiya> sypher, no no no /32 is only available
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• 1021[05:32:46] <sypher> hiya: Yes yes yes, that's how IPv6 works. Do your research, and contact your provider for more assistance.
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• 1023[05:32:54] <mkb> my ISP routes a whole /64 to one machine
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• 1025[05:33:08] <mkb> I only use one of them but it's all assigned in the literal sense
• 1026[05:33:51] <jmcnaught> Ouroboros: lordarkmemo: making a backup is one of the recommended steps in the release notes, and should be done all the time anyways. If you stick to Debian sources (no third party repos) then Debian release upgrades work really well
• 1027[05:33:55] <sypher> mkb: No, only one is assigned and active in the OS. The entire /64 is allocated. (Sorry, I'm picky about terms.)
• 1028[05:34:23] <jmcnaught> testing stuff in a vm first is also a good practice
• 1029[05:35:22] <hiya> mkb, Can you teach me how to add a block in my debian system? Also why wasn't it added during installation? Since its avaialble already? Did I do something wrong?
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• 1031[05:35:46] <mkb> I don't run debian on that machine
• 1032[05:35:46] <hiya> mkb, I use netinstall, but in other VPS where we have /64 alloted, Debian installed it, by itself
• 1033[05:35:46] <hiya> ?
• 1034[05:35:52] <lordarkmemo> ill do a fresh install of debian 8 in a Lenovo E450, when i try to see youtube videos using the default browser Iceweasel breaks and the current session is blocked. I install google chrome but i want to use iceweasel. should i reinstall it?
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• 1036[05:36:14] <mkb> is the ISP doing router advertisement in one case and not in the other?
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• 1040[05:38:27] <hiya> mkb, how can we find out? Ask them? If I have /32 in one then how do I allot /64 from it ?
• 1041[05:38:37] <lordarkmemo> mkb: what is purpose of router adverisement?
• 1042[05:38:38] <mkb> hiya, is the /32 routed?
• 1043[05:38:46] <mkb> i.e. if you ping it will it get to your machine?
• 1044[05:38:50] <hiya> mkb, of course?
• 1045[05:38:54] <hiya> I don't know
• 1046[05:38:54] <hiya> :D
• 1047[05:38:57] <hiya> Can you try?
• 1048[05:39:00] <hiya> mkb, PM?
• 1049[05:39:01] <sypher> lordarkmemo: That typically this won't have to be done.
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• 1051[05:39:26] <jmcnaught> lordarkmemo: iceweasel crashes on youtube? are you using flash?
• 1052[05:39:38] <mkb> lordarkmemo, it's a packet sent out by routers which say they exist and that you can derive an IP from your mac address and start communicating on this network
• 1053[05:39:55] <lordarkmemo> mkb: ok
• 1054[05:40:06] <mkb> basically the replacement for DHCP in IPv6 land, though there is also DHCPv6
• 1055[05:40:23] <mkb> hiya, you'd have to look on your end
• 1056[05:41:25] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: is a fresh install and i dont install flash by myself. I dont if the installer do it for me.
• 1057[05:41:31] <mkb> there's also NDP; I'm not sure how that interacts here
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• 1059[05:41:54] <mkb> I know I've had to add fake ARP entries to get stuff that the routers know what to do with to pass through the switches and actually get to my network prot
• 1060[05:42:26] <mkb> I don't know what you're trying to do, but if it's just get an IP on a run-of-the-mill VPS it can't be so hard
• 1061[05:42:39] <jmcnaught> lordarkmemo: flash is an extra step. are you using any add-ons? how exactly does iceweasel break?
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• 1063[05:44:25] <enoch85> hey guys, I'm building a script and I'm almost done, just need the last piece of the puzzle to fit. What am I doing wrong here? replaced-url
• 1064[05:44:33] <enoch85> bash*
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• 1066[05:47:32] <jmcnaught> enoch85: FYI there's a wordpress package in Debian that has an alternative implementation of multisite which is pretty interesting
• 1067[05:47:44] <jmcnaught> ,v wordpress
• 1068[05:47:45] <judd> Package: wordpress on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb6u4; squeeze: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb6u4; squeeze-security-lts: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb6u9; wheezy: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; jessie: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u7; jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u8; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u8; jessie-
• 1069[05:47:46] <judd> backports: 4.4.2+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.4.2+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.4.2+dfsg-1
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• 1071[05:48:01] <jmcnaught> enoch85: ^^ the version in bpo is pretty up to date too
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• 1075[05:48:54] <enoch85> would have to rewrite the code as this is made in Ubuntu
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• 1077[05:49:17] <jmcnaught> enoch85: oh, well then you should be asking in #ubuntu then
• 1078[05:49:39] <jmcnaught> there's also #bash and probably a #wordpress somewhere if not on freenode
• 1079[05:49:41] <enoch85> jmcnaught: thought I would try here first
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• 1082[05:49:55] <enoch85> #wordpress are just windows ppl ^^
• 1083[05:50:06] <jmcnaught> enoch85: if you're using Ubuntu, please don't try #debian first. This channel doesn't support Ubuntu at all
• 1084[05:50:25] <enoch85> jmcnaught: sorrey
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• 1091[05:52:48] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: i try it with iceaseweasel but crash and close session
• 1092[05:52:48] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: there is a way to detect the cause?
• 1093[05:52:48] <lordarkmemo> jmcnaught: a system log or something?
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• 1193[06:28:01] <bitch_ass_> How can I do a git pull on all of git repos in a folder?
• 1194[06:28:20] <bitch_ass_> So that I don't have to go inside each git repo and do a git pull?
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• 1198[06:30:33] <cheapie> How do I remove disks that aren't present from gnome-disks? It's "remembering" disks that used to be attached but aren't any more.
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• 1200[06:31:05] <cheapie> "udisksctl status" shows a few lines like "QUANTUM BIGFOOT_CY4320A A03.0800 164718429403 - " that correspond to these drives.
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• 1204[06:31:55] <cheapie> Actually, never mind, "service udisks2 restart" seems to fix it.
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• 1211[06:33:45] <jmcnaught> bitch_ass_: you could use git submodules, or check out mr
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• 1239[06:57:01] <a_|||> Hello
• 1240[06:57:42] <a_|||> I forgot typing sudo in front of nano and the file is in var/replaced-url
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• 1245[06:58:40] <a_|||> I've written some stuff in a txt but cannot save it. And my terminal cannot copy text (on phone)
• 1246[07:00:00] <mkb> save it in /tmp, then open nano as root and save it in the right place
• 1247[07:00:23] <a_|||> How can I do that?
• 1248[07:00:31] <mkb> doesn't it ask when you type ^O?
• 1249[07:00:32] <a_|||> I'm in nano
• 1250[07:00:38] <mkb> what file to save
• 1251[07:00:43] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1253[07:01:17] <a_|||> it shows the file name
• 1254[07:01:28] <a_|||> Can I enter directory there?
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• 1256[07:01:45] <mkb> probably? try it at least
• 1257[07:02:11] <mkb> I don't have nano here
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• 1259[07:02:34] <a_|||> Works
• 1260[07:02:46] <a_|||> Thanks! You're a life-saver :)
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• 1277[07:13:41] <bitch_ass_> jmcnaught: What?
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• 1284[07:17:29] <dosya> when i suspend system, then next day i cant ping certain host on same switch with me, until i ping myself from that host. what is that? did suspending clear arp tables??
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• 1305[07:31:28] <jmcnaught> bitch_ass_: the git feature called submodules might do what you want. there's also a program called "mr" as in multiple repositories
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• 1335[07:48:09] <James_T> should i no longer care that debian squeeze in the archive has expired release files everywhere
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• 1346[07:54:48] <jmcnaught> James_T: Squeeze's end of life has happened, it is no longer in the mirrors.
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• 1441[08:51:47] <bitch_ass_> Hi!
• 1442[08:52:09] <bitch_ass_> Two fingers on touchpad to emulate a right click does not always work
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• 1444[08:52:38] <bitch_ass_> Like, the first time I do it it doesn't always work. Say copy a link location of a Soundcloud track to an editor.
• 1445[08:52:48] <bitch_ass_> I often have to try to copy it 3 - 5 times.
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• 1447[08:52:56] <bitch_ass_> Copying it once is lucky
• 1448[08:52:58] <bitch_ass_> Why is this?
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• 1452[08:55:36] <Zipf> Hello there, i'm newbie with linux. i'm running wheezy, i'm following a tutorial, trying install openvpn server on my box, but i get an error when i have to use a cp commmand, anyone could take a look and give me some help ?
• 1453[08:55:43] <Zipf> replaced-url
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• 1469[09:03:02] <Zipf> nevermind
• 1470[09:03:07] <Zipf> was a wrong dash
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• 1493[09:13:10] <gcbirzan> how can I force apt to download lists signed by weak algorithms?
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• 1526[09:23:24] <bitch_ass_> Hi!
• 1527[09:23:35] <bitch_ass_> This is weird. My Icedove does not fetch messages
• 1528[09:23:43] <JyZyXEL-> how do you select which dhcpclient is used in debian?
• 1529[09:23:57] <bitch_ass_> Good thing I checked with the web interfaces of my email service providers
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• 1540[09:27:04] <DiscoverY> TGIF ?
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• 1580[09:47:26] <StyXman> yesterday I upgraded my sid system againt the .fr mirror. because a bad choice (upgrade courier-authlib to version 0.66.4-5 instead of holding) maildrop got uninstalled (courier-authlib breaks that version). maildrop is part of my mail setup (I use fetchmail) and now it's broken. I tried by downgrading courier-authlib to 0.66.4-3 (0.66.4-4 didn't got released) and installing maildop, but now I get this err
• 1581[09:47:32] <StyXman> or with maildrop: ERR: authdaemon: ...
• 1582[09:47:35] <StyXman> ... s_connect() failed: No such file or directory. should I recompile maildrop?
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• 1590[09:54:12] <dagerik> how can I check if someone has an apt repository for the seafile client
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• 1593[09:55:15] <StyXman> dagerik: if such repository exists or if someone's computer has such repo configured?
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• 1595[09:55:23] <dagerik> if exists
• 1596[09:55:51] <StyXman> use a web search engine?
• 1597[09:56:23] <dagerik> ok
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• 1599[09:56:34] <StyXman> I don't think there's a list of external repos
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• 1601[09:57:11] <StyXman> bah, I think I remember such a list somewhere, but you'll need to use a WSE to find it :-|
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• 1611[10:00:47] <Mixxit> hi update-rc.d: error: expected NN after start
• 1612[10:00:59] <Mixxit> i just upgraded from wheezy to jessie and installed systemd
• 1613[10:01:05] <Mixxit> but its having trouble with plymouth
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• 1615[10:03:05] <Mixxit> replaced-url
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• 1647[10:19:48] <mrtnt> I'm running Debian version 8.3 which uses systemd. Am I correct that even in case of systemd, one should create start-up scripts similary to /etc/init.d directory?
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• 1650[10:20:19] <mrtnt> I mean similarly to previous Debian versions which used init instead of systemd
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• 1654[10:23:58] <Mixxit> cp /contrib/systemd/servicedefinitionfile /etc/systemd/system
• 1655[10:24:07] <Mixxit> systemctl enable servicename
• 1656[10:24:29] <Mixxit> systemctl start servicename
• 1657[10:25:13] <Mixxit> that was from a guide i used for another product
• 1658[10:25:17] <Mixxit> should point you in the right places
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• 1662[10:26:21] <Mixxit> mrtnt: the service defintiion file looked like this replaced-url
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• 1664[10:27:12] <StyXman> how does fetchmail decides what to fetch? I got local delivery problems but mails in the server got marked somehow and now that I fixed my local delivery problem, those mails won't be fetched
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• 1672[10:34:05] <bibi23> is there a way to find the list of default packages installed on debian? (so without the ones I've installed myself)
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• 1674[10:34:53] <mrtnt> Mixxit: thanks! However, looks like most of the programs(for example sshd, cron) still use LSB compliant SysV type init scripts..
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• 1676[10:35:53] <StyXman> bibi23: I think they're called essential
• 1677[10:36:13] <StyXman> also I think the installation leaves a log in root's home dir
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• 1682[10:38:43] <bibi23> StyXman: you mean there is "essential" appended to their name? Isn't there just a wep page with this information? Like release notes with packages included.
• 1683[10:38:55] <bibi23> web page *
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• 1707[10:49:57] <spradnyesh> i'm attaching an android device to usb3 port (tried as both PTP and MTP in USB debug mode) and get the following in dmesg
• 1708[10:49:57] <spradnyesh> Mar 18 15:19:36 slytherin kernel: [ 639.626071] usb 1-1.2: USB disconnect, device number 9
• 1709[10:49:57] <spradnyesh> Mar 18 15:19:36 slytherin kernel: [ 639.892989] usb 1-1.2: new high-speed USB device number 10 using xhci_hcd
• 1710[10:49:57] <spradnyesh> Mar 18 15:19:37 slytherin kernel: [ 639.981560] usb 1-1.2: New USB device found, idVendor=0e8d, idProduct=201d
• 1711[10:49:57] <spradnyesh> Mar 18 15:19:37 slytherin kernel: [ 639.981571] usb 1-1.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4
• 1712[10:49:58] <spradnyesh> Mar 18 15:19:37 slytherin kernel: [ 639.981579] usb 1-1.2: Product: Lenovo_K50_T5
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• 1718[10:52:46] <suexec> Are there any premade/dedicated distros or similar that I could use for a PXE server? I would like to add a bunch of different install isos and just be able to boot of them.
• 1719[10:53:04] <suexec> (I have a working setup now - but adding new distros is a pain in the ass. I just want to add an iso and be done with it)
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• 1723[10:55:20] <spradnyesh> when i attach an android device to usb3 port (tried as both PTP and MTP in USB debug mode) and get the following in dmesg (replaced-url
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• 1725[10:55:43] <spradnyesh> (in the same paste): when i attach a usb disk, an entry gets created in /dev/
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• 1727[10:56:06] <spradnyesh> i noticed that "usb-storage" is not getting invoked for the android phone
• 1728[10:56:09] <spradnyesh> why would that be?
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• 1738[11:02:18] <bitch_ass_> How can I change my package source?
• 1739[11:02:24] <bitch_ass_> My debian package source seem to suck
• 1740[11:02:28] <bitch_ass_> Seems unstabl
• 1741[11:02:31] <bitch_ass_> unstable
• 1742[11:02:33] <jonbryan> lol
• 1743[11:02:41] <bitch_ass_> Don't know how you call i
• 1744[11:02:43] <bitch_ass_> it*
• 1745[11:02:50] <bitch_ass_> I think Debian mirror?
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• 1747[11:02:55] <bitch_ass_> Is that what it is?
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• 1759[11:05:56] <StyXman> bitch_ass_: of course, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update
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• 1796[11:23:53] <aricz> Hi, we're trying to install debian from USB-stick in textmode on an ebox 3100 (small x86 computer) .. when we hit "Install" it takes ~5 seconds and gives us this menu: replaced-url
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• 1798[11:24:35] <aricz> btw, there are no display capabilities on the ebox 3100 so we're communicating with it using screen for serial communication (com rs-232)
• 1799[11:25:10] <aricz> gnu screen
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• 1803[11:27:15] <aricz> When we first boot with the USB-stick it shows a textmode menu .. all good.. but once we hit "Install" we get the gibberish on screen.. anyone know what we might try to fix this problem?
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• 1815[11:36:27] <RafaelK1> hello folks, i configured jessie in Hyper-V(on Win 10) VM and get time problems on host shutdown. If host is down for example for three days, then time in the guest system falls behind for three days. Does somebody know, how to solve this Problems?
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• 1839[11:50:08] <bitch_ass_> StyXman: Ah
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• 1846[11:54:24] <deepy> Can I somehow see what dependency from maven's dependencies brings in openjdk7?
• 1847[11:54:27] <deepy> I kinda don't want openjdk7
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• 1852[11:56:05] <armin> civillian: was the question if my PID 1 is systemd or sysvinit?
• 1853[11:56:11] <armin> civillian: if so, it's systemd.
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• 1866[12:04:20] <yotam> Hi, I want to create a minimal installation of Debian, I installed one on VirtualBox and the image file was 4GB, how can I reduce it?
• 1867[12:04:47] <Brigo> yotam, did you use netinstall?
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• 1874[12:07:01] <rozie> yotam: what type of image type do you have? raw? qcow2? other?
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• 1876[12:07:21] <yotam> I'm not sure if I used netinstall, I will check
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• 1878[12:07:42] <rozie> anyway, you should install only base and from netinstall, without choosing any packages to be installed
• 1879[12:07:48] <yotam> rozie: And I think vdi?
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• 1881[12:08:00] <rozie> this way you will have around 1-2GB image (qcow2)
• 1882[12:08:14] <rozie> which is also a lot
• 1883[12:08:35] <yotam> This is the smallest I can get?
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• 1885[12:09:02] <rozie> I guess best way for small image is just to install system, then run another VM started from live and copy files
• 1886[12:09:26] <rozie> this way ~200MB is real
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• 1894[12:11:19] <yotam> I need to keep it simple so I will try to use the qcow2 format with netinstall
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• 1897[12:13:29] <yotam> rozie: Do you by any chance know if VirtualBox can open qcow2 formats?
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• 1903[12:14:15] <rozie> I don't use vbox since I met aqemu :-)
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• 1905[12:15:19] <rozie> IMHO it's simpler, does not require kernel module, has no licence restrictions (not sure how is now, some time ago there was vbox and vbox ose)
• 1906[12:15:32] <yotam> Sadly that's not an option for me, I hope VirtualBox will work
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• 1911[12:17:42] <k4v_> hi i have a problem with a ubuntu server: i got lots of kernel warnings in dmesg, and now my root filesystem is full. i already deleted everything i could find but now two days later its full again
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• 1914[12:18:31] <k4v_> where does the space go? do i have any chance to fix this without rebooting?
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• 1918[12:19:10] <mquin> use lsof and take a look for processes holding deleted files open
• 1919[12:19:15] <TomTomTosch> k4v_, you are in #debian not #ubuntu
• 1920[12:19:19] <sypher> k4v_: Please go to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server for assistance with Ubuntu.
• 1921[12:19:22] <rozie> k4v_: cd / ; du -s * | sort -n
• 1922[12:19:37] <rozie> this will show you where most space is being used
• 1923[12:20:03] <rozie> sypher: calm down, it's general OS question, not distro specific
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• 1929[12:21:28] <TomTomTosch> it's still offtopic.
• 1930[12:21:47] <sypher> rozie: That's the second time you've presumed to tell me what to do. You should stop.
• 1931[12:21:54] <k4v_> sorr
• 1932[12:21:55] <k4v_> y
• 1933[12:21:59] <k4v_> & thanks =)
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• 1935[12:23:43] <rozie> k4v_: I guess it'll be /var/log and those messages you see in dmesg, but how to solve it you need to ask on ubuntu channel indeed
• 1936[12:24:21] <k4v_> mquin: there are some deleted files like /var/log/syslog that is opened by rsyslogd
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• 1942[12:27:47] <mquin> k4v_: try restarting rsyslogd
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• 1944[12:29:00] <k4v_> mquin: can i do this with a full filesystem or is there a danger to take the system down?
• 1945[12:29:11] <k4v_> this is a kvm host....
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• 1947[12:30:18] <mquin> I wouldn't expect it to cause any signicant problems. Worst case it might not start until you've cleared some more space
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• 1954[12:32:42] <k4v_> mquin: thanks a lot, that tipp is very helpful :)
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• 1964[12:36:22] <fug> hi, I'm having problems with getting my audio to work with alsa on a hp notebook and debian linux. any help would be appreciated. the output of my aplay -L can be seen here replaced-url
• 1965[12:36:26] <fug> I've also unmuted everything with alsamixer
• 1966[12:36:31] <fug> when trying to play music with mocp I get the following error when starting mocp
• 1967[12:36:34] <fug> replaced-url
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• 1992[12:52:37] <TomTomTosch> fug, 'lspci -knn | grep -iA2 audio' please. also, can you show us 'aplay -l' (small l)
• 1993[12:53:51] <TomTomTosch> *lower case L that is
• 1994[12:54:47] <fug> replaced-url
• 1995[12:55:07] <fug> replaced-url
• 1996[12:55:21] <fug> TomTomTosch: ^
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• 2007[12:58:28] <r0ck_> what version mate-utils are in jessie backports?
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• 2009[12:58:53] <TomTomTosch> fug, both hdmi and pch use the snd_hda_intel module, but hdmi seems to be system default, card 0. you can create a file /etc/modprobe.d/default.conf with the line 'options snd_hda_intel index=1' and reboot.
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• 2012[13:00:06] <fug> TomTomTosch: thansk I'll try that. But if both hdmi and pch use snd_hda_intel what does it help to set snd_hda_intel to index 1?
• 2013[13:00:31] <bezaban> r0ck_: none
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• 2016[13:00:52] <OliviaPope> can someone help me in complexity theory?
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• 2026[13:02:45] <TomTomTosch> fug, that changes the sound card order on boot. you can put it in a different file though, alsa-base.conf for example.
• 2027[13:02:50] <TomTomTosch> ah well.
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• 2030[13:06:21] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, i've backported mate yesterday. it sucked. buggy as hell and had a ton of dependencies. had to backport about 30 packages. not worth it.
• 2031[13:07:13] <iveqy_> TomTomTosch: I'm fug, so don't worry, I got your msg
• 2032[13:07:28] <iveqy_> TomTomTosch: thanks for the help. I got it to work :).
• 2033[13:07:38] <TomTomTosch> iveqy_, okay. great :)
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• 2042[13:10:08] <iveqy_> TomTomTosch: however, no I've plugged in a usb sound card. I replaced snd_hda_intel with snd_usb_audio but then I'm back with the old error again
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• 2049[13:11:30] <CRM114> where are the keymaps stored?
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• 2054[13:12:32] <CRM114> OliviaPope: try ##math
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• 2066[13:19:14] <rain1> hello
• 2067[13:19:23] <rain1> where may I find the source tarball release of cdebootstrap?
• 2068[13:20:18] <menace1> "apt-get source cdebootstrap"
• 2069[13:20:19] <menace1> :)
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• 2073[13:21:07] <TomTomTosch> ^ that or from the website. replaced-url
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• 2076[13:21:38] <rain1> thanks TomTomTosch
• 2077[13:21:44] <rain1> this link from that page replaced-url
• 2078[13:21:49] <rain1> but it doesn't have a ./configure ?
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• 2080[13:22:39] <cygnusx1> ./configure is probably generated once the program is compiled
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• 2089[13:24:42] <TomTomTosch> well, mine does have a ./configure
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• 2093[13:26:07] <rain1> oh im sorry i was looking at the wrong folder, this is great!
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• 2095[13:26:11] <cygnusx1> lol
• 2096[13:26:20] <TomTomTosch> iveqy_, sry, but maybe someone else will know.
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• 2098[13:27:01] <iveqy_> TomTomTosch: thanks anyway, :)
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• 2103[13:27:16] <cygnusx1> iveqy_ have you tried messing around with settings in pavu? (pulse audio volume control)
• 2104[13:27:39] <jelly> pavucontrol *
• 2105[13:27:43] <cygnusx1> ^
• 2106[13:27:47] <iveqy_> cygnusx1: I don't have pulseadio installed
• 2107[13:27:53] <cygnusx1> install it
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• 2109[13:28:05] <cygnusx1> i had to before to get my sound working
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• 2111[13:28:08] <iveqy_> why? It shouldn't be needed
• 2112[13:28:27] <cygnusx1> well unless you know how to work with ALSA....
• 2113[13:28:37] <iveqy_> cygnusx1: I'm aiming for an embedded system with limited CPU resources, pulseaudio seems a bit overkill
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• 2115[13:29:18] <cygnusx1> its like 5mb and uses like 10mb ram....
• 2116[13:29:36] <grawity> well what if you have 64 MB RAM *total*
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• 2118[13:30:02] <cygnusx1> then you have a ti-86
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• 2120[13:30:19] <cygnusx1> and should be writing super mario in BASIC
• 2121[13:30:35] <iveqy_> cygnusx1: maybe I do...
• 2122[13:30:58] <cygnusx1> anyway it was just a suggestion. just trying to help
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• 2126[13:31:49] <iveqy_> cygnusx1: I'm thankful for that :). However I don't think I will go that path if I don't have to.
• 2127[13:31:58] <TomTomTosch> rain1, but you are aware that it's not the debian package.
• 2128[13:32:11] <TomTomTosch> that's a question btw ^
• 2129[13:32:44] <rain1> no?
• 2130[13:33:02] <TomTomTosch> rain1, if you want to modify the source, you can take the debian source package and build a new package.
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• 2132[13:33:21] <TomTomTosch> rain1, but that's not the tarball.
• 2133[13:34:00] <rain1> i m having a lot of trouble building libdebian-installer so i might give up
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• 2136[13:35:14] <cygnusx1> iveqy_ have you tried to see if and why the drivers fail to load? something like dmesg|grep audio....
• 2137[13:35:30] <TomTomTosch> rain1, what do you wish to achieve?
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• 2139[13:35:52] <rain1> I was trying to get debootstrap built and working on a different os than debian so i could build a container with it
• 2140[13:36:04] <rain1> too much trouble with autoconf stuff :(
• 2141[13:36:20] <menace> hey, why is there no parameter -t in debian on vmstat, but ubuntu has one and the the -t parameter is not in the ubuntu patches? :D
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• 2144[13:37:36] <iveqy_> cygnusx1: yes and apparently the driver seems to be able to load (with a error because clocksource 42 isn't valid)
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• 2152[13:41:32] <cygnusx1> iveqy_ im sure clocksource isnt whats causing this but have you tried setting your debian clock with ntp? mine didnt sync with my bios clock so i had to set it via ntp... may get rid of that error
• 2153[13:41:35] <bezaban> menace: -t was added in procps-ng-3.3.10. Stable uses 3.3.9. Either ubuntu is using a later version or a different procps package.
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• 2157[13:43:02] <menace> hm, i saw it in an older ubuntu version too, i suppose they used another package then. the versions in debian and ubuntu match what you say.. strange.. i saw it yesterday in ubuntu 14.04.. seems to be my mistake.
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• 2160[13:44:02] <JZA> hi I want to stop a server from resending emails? which service should I shut down, afaik I think is postfix what I got
• 2161[13:44:26] <menace> o_O
• 2162[13:44:47] <JZA> nm
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• 2164[13:45:00] <bezaban> menace: It's not entirely clear. wily uses 3.3.9 from the looks of it. Also the procps regular package seems to have a -t --no-title flag, while procps-ng has -t --timestamp option. Drifting slightly OT though :)
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• 2173[13:47:18] <iveqy_> cygnusx1: got it to work with speaker test now. The last problem being that my card just support S32_LE and not S16_LE, now I just need to configure my system to use it
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• 2176[13:48:08] <cygnusx1> iveqy_ congrats :)
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• 2178[13:48:51] <cygnusx1> what even uses 16bit sound these days??
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• 2182[13:49:53] <iveqy_> cygnusx1: speaker-test apparently does
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• 2184[13:50:17] <menace> bezaban: thanks ! :D
• 2185[13:50:21] <cygnusx1> lol
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• 2187[13:50:34] <cygnusx1> legacy games do as well
• 2188[13:50:46] <menace> bezaban: in #debian-ubuntu on oftc there was no reaction to my question. :/
• 2189[13:50:57] <cygnusx1> like the ones that came on the big floppy disks
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• 2191[13:51:06] <warbaque> I have really slow ssh login (and other logins also) [system] Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.login1': timed out
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• 2194[13:51:21] <warbaque> restart systemd-logind helps momentarily
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• 2198[13:52:18] <trewas> cygnusx1: or CDs or DVDs and almost everything else, because there is no real benefit using more than 16 bits for audio
• 2199[13:52:44] <t4nk265> I cannot use xrdp or vnsserver with Gnome DE it always shows "Oh no! Something went wrong"
• 2200[13:52:45] <cygnusx1> oh
• 2201[13:53:05] <cygnusx1> well it was a legit question then. thx for clearing that up trewas
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• 2205[13:53:54] <cygnusx1> isnt that a windows error message t4nk265 ???
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• 2209[13:54:25] <t4nk265> I'm using a Windows client with either mstsc or VNC viewer to access the Debian tightvncserver
• 2210[13:54:47] <cygnusx1> oh
• 2211[13:55:28] <t4nk265> I'm trying to reproduce the issue with KDE or another DE
• 2212[13:55:47] <t4nk265> AS I found in a maillist in bugs.debian.org that Gnome may be the issue
• 2213[13:56:15] <cygnusx1> i only use xfce. i tried all the other de's and none of them were up to my standards
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• 2215[13:56:29] <t4nk265> I mean the package gnome-desktop-environment
• 2216[13:56:38] <cygnusx1> yea
• 2217[13:56:53] <cygnusx1> gnome seems too much like apple for me
• 2218[13:57:05] <t4nk265> I didn't have a choice it's a school project and the De chosen by my teacher was Gnome
• 2219[13:57:33] <t4nk265> I'm more into shell only or LXDe if I really have to
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• 2221[13:57:56] <cygnusx1> so its a school server?
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• 2225[13:58:15] <cygnusx1> there is a tightvnc client for windows
• 2226[13:58:24] <t4nk265> The debian server is on a Hyper-V server which is on a ESXi cluster
• 2227[13:59:01] <t4nk265> Debian Jessie if it matters
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• 2229[13:59:02] <nwe> hello I trying to setup bind with dhcp and dynamic dns I have check the configuration with named-checkzone and it says it OK but when I trying to run dhclient on my client computer I seeing this in my logs..
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• 2231[13:59:07] <t4nk265> With netInstall iso
• 2232[13:59:10] <nwe> Mar 18 13:55:53 dns-dhcp01 dhcpd: DDNS: bad zone information, repudiating zone local.foo.
• 2233[13:59:15] <nwe> any idea?
• 2234[13:59:32] <t4nk265> blank spaces in config files
• 2235[13:59:54] <t4nk265> Missing this charcarter "{" or "}"
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• 2238[14:00:57] <nwe> in my dhcpd.conf I guess?
• 2239[14:01:09] <t4nk265> Nope local.foo
• 2240[14:01:25] <t4nk265> If you read it repudiate local.foo
• 2241[14:01:35] <t4nk265> I'm juste guessing
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• 2244[14:02:35] <nwe> t4nk265: this is my local.foo
• 2245[14:02:36] <nwe> replaced-url
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• 2256[14:05:00] <t4nk265> I'm leaving I have to work at school
• 2257[14:05:03] <t4nk265> Cya
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• 2259[14:05:14] <cygnusx1> l8r g8r
• 2260[14:05:31] <t4nk265> ?
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• 2262[14:05:39] <cygnusx1> later gator
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• 2264[14:05:45] <cygnusx1> i was saying goodbye
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• 2266[14:06:14] <t4nk265> I didn't know that interessting =)
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• 2282[14:16:47] <warbaque> any ideas how to get rid of dbus errors? '[system] Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.login1': timed out'
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• 2284[14:18:27] <cygnusx1> systemctl restart systemd-logind
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• 2286[14:18:54] <warbaque> cygnusx1: that helps only momentarily
• 2287[14:18:59] <cygnusx1> lol
• 2288[14:19:20] <cygnusx1> maybe upgrade your kernel...
• 2289[14:19:23] <noid-> warbaque: and after reboot it shows up ?
• 2290[14:19:33] <warbaque> noid-: I haven't rebooted
• 2291[14:19:38] <noid-> well then sir
• 2292[14:19:39] <noid-> reboot.
• 2293[14:19:54] <noid-> see if it happens again.
• 2294[14:20:17] <cygnusx1> its a debian bug
• 2295[14:20:23] <cygnusx1> its been reported
• 2296[14:20:34] <cygnusx1> just not patched yet
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• 2300[14:20:44] <warbaque> I restarted systemd-logind ~2h ago, problem went away for the time being and after trying to log in just now there it was again
• 2301[14:21:15] <warbaque> cygnusx1: so, I'll just keep restarting it until fix comes out?
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• 2303[14:21:46] <cygnusx1> i have a bug where my ps/2 mouse goes out randomly and i have to fix it via terminal and it isnt patched yet, yes you will, as linux users these are just things we accept lol
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• 2307[14:23:27] <cygnusx1> i just keep the command in a txt file so i can use it quickly when i need it
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• 2315[14:29:21] <dagerik> gonna create a github account for company. Should I make a personal account or an account everyone can share? e.g. me@company or it-department@company
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• 2321[14:30:29] <aegis> I'd make it personal so if they ever think about getting rid of you, you can lock the account down.
• 2322[14:30:38] <cygnusx1> lol
• 2323[14:30:40] <cygnusx1> good idea
• 2324[14:30:48] <cygnusx1> then you can manage it
• 2325[14:30:51] <babilen> dagerik: Please note that #github might be better suited for that discussion
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• 2327[14:30:53] <aegis> "Become indispensable"
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• 2329[14:31:57] <cygnusx1> i would go with personal if they expect you to maintain it
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• 2345[14:37:48] <TomTomTosch> #d not that good at giving legal advice though :P
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• 2348[14:38:52] <lroe> is there a way to tell lvreduce to use the filesystem as the boundary for the new size?
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• 2363[14:43:44] <Aebian> can I force the sudo password on a specific command every time?
• 2364[14:44:01] <cygnusx1> sure
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• 2366[14:44:10] <cygnusx1> but it will probably end up in logs
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• 2368[14:44:50] <cygnusx1> you could just add the NOPASSWD in your sudoers file
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• 2370[14:45:04] <Shark_> @lroe: i think u need to shrink the filesystem before u reduce the logical volume's size
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• 2372[14:45:11] <lroe> Shark_, I did
• 2373[14:45:37] <lroe> I shrank the filesystem but now I want to tell lvreduce "shrink the volume to the size of the fs"
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• 2376[14:45:51] <Shark_> resize2fs could work for you
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• 2378[14:46:14] <cygnusx1> For a single user :
• 2379[14:46:15] <cygnusx1> superuser ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
• 2380[14:46:15] <cygnusx1>
• 2381[14:46:15] <cygnusx1> For a group :
• 2382[14:46:15] <cygnusx1> %supergroup ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
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• 2386[14:46:20] <Shark_> then lvreduce to the smaller size
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• 2388[14:46:36] <cygnusx1> darn i thought i removed the newline chars
• 2389[14:46:53] <cygnusx1> For a single user :
• 2390[14:46:53] <cygnusx1> superuser ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
• 2391[14:47:04] <cygnusx1> in your sudoers file
• 2392[14:47:13] <cygnusx1> edited via the visudo command
• 2393[14:47:58] <cygnusx1> Aebian ^
• 2394[14:48:09] <Shark_> for example: lvreduce -L10G /dev/data
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• 2397[14:48:37] <Aebian> cygnusx1: ah nice thanks
• 2398[14:48:43] <cygnusx1> your welcome
• 2399[14:48:50] <cygnusx1> do you need help doing it?
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• 2404[14:49:29] <cygnusx1> if your user isnt in the sudoers file you will need to put it there
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• 2406[14:49:36] <Aebian> mine is already :P
• 2407[14:49:40] <cygnusx1> kk
• 2408[14:49:45] <cygnusx1> you got this then ;)
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• 2410[14:50:12] <cygnusx1> you may need to reboot afterwards for it to take effect
• 2411[14:50:24] <cygnusx1> i dont remember but i think it works that way
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• 2417[14:52:19] <Aebian> cygnusx1: yeah I think that you're right
• 2418[14:52:28] <Shark_> @lroe: 40GB equals 10485760 blocks -- resize2fs /dev/fileserver/share 10485760 && lvreduce -L40G /dev/fileserver/share
• 2419[14:53:06] <cygnusx1> yea i did it on my machines a week or two ago and iirc i had to reboot
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• 2428[14:58:42] <rafalcpp> how to join given network namespace? sudo nsenter --net=/var/run/netns/foo would work, but it also makes the user root
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• 2432[14:59:35] <julius> hi
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• 2434[15:00:10] <karlpinc> cygnusx1: The "right way" is usually to add the user to the sudoers group, and have the user re-login. Done.
• 2435[15:00:22] <julius> im sitting at a new debian jessie installation here at the partition stage, what does "encrypted lvm" mean. is it lvm -> encrypted partition or is the lvm itself encrypted and needs to be enabled at boot time with a password?
• 2436[15:00:22] <cygnusx1> ah
• 2437[15:00:25] <cygnusx1> ok thx
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• 2440[15:00:48] <cygnusx1> karlpinc you still need to add the NOPASSWD line
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• 2442[15:01:03] <cygnusx1> gpasswd sudo -a user doesnt do that
• 2443[15:01:13] <TomTomTosch> julius, the whole lvm will be encrypted and need to be decrypted at boot first.
• 2444[15:01:30] <karlpinc> julius: I haven't tried it but the usual idiom is to encrypt the lvm partition, and put everything inside lvm. That way you have a single password that unlocks all encrypted partitions.
• 2445[15:02:00] <julius> sounds reasonable
• 2446[15:02:30] <julius> so looking at the drive from a differnt pc will show one partition of unknown type?
• 2447[15:02:49] <karlpinc> cygnusx1: Yes. If you want something non-standard like no password prompt then you need to mess with it. IMO this is a bad idea. If a user-level account is broken into then your system is broken into entirely. I prefer to not use sudo at all.
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• 2450[15:03:20] <karlpinc> julius: You'll need a /boot partition, unencrypted, so the box can boot.
• 2451[15:03:34] <cygnusx1> karlpinc he was asking for something non-standard
• 2452[15:03:46] <karlpinc> julius: And if you've UEFI awfulness, the'll be a partition for that.
• 2453[15:03:47] <cygnusx1> he wanted to run sudo without a pw prompt
• 2454[15:03:49] <karlpinc> cygnusx1: Ok.
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• 2457[15:05:16] <julius> ah of course, the kernel
• 2458[15:05:28] <julius> ok thanks, im gonna try that
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• 2500[15:18:10] <Shark_> karlpinc: i have not had a problem with UEFI, what issues did u face, if you can forward me a link on this that would be great
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• 2539[15:34:06] <ABrownBear> I recently installed Debian with LXDE. what's the name of the default login manager?
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• 2541[15:34:47] <cygnusx1> LXDM
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• 2543[15:35:44] <ABrownBear> cygnusx1: thank you :)
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• 2545[15:36:14] <cygnusx1> your welcome
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• 2551[15:38:42] <relipse2> I am just working with a web server but it has no email service installed so for example php's mail() doesn't work etc. What can I do to set it up? And if you know how to do that so that all my websites can get email addresses and inboxes via squirrel mail or something,how much would you charge?
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• 2556[15:40:02] <dagerik> relipse2: php.ini has a config for mail. you need to point it to a binary
• 2557[15:40:14] <MrDetonia> Hi, does the Debian Installer support ZFS with RAID-Z setups?
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• 2562[15:40:41] <relipse2> dagerik: what binary would I choose?
• 2563[15:41:17] <cygnusx1> replaced-url
• 2564[15:41:27] <dagerik> personally I would choose msmtp. Because I have experience with configuring it from before
• 2565[15:41:39] <karlpinc> relipse2: Debian installs exim4 by default. I myself prefer postfix. It almost does not matter. Installing an MTA will ask you about configuring and you can choose "outgoing mail only" and get what you want.
• 2566[15:41:40] <cygnusx1> sorry i cant be more helpful but there are plenty of guides available for that
• 2567[15:41:41] <dagerik> msmtp is a smtp program
• 2568[15:42:12] <MrDetonia> cygnusx1: Thanks, I couldn't find any guides on it
• 2569[15:42:21] <cygnusx1> your welcome
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• 2571[15:42:32] <karlpinc> relipse2: If you already have an MTA installed do a "dpkg-reconfigure packagename" and re-configure it.
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• 2574[15:43:03] <karlpinc> MrDetonia: There's probably a page on the debian wiki.
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• 2580[15:44:11] <dagerik> relipse2: here is my msmtp config if you wanna cook something up replaced-url
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• 2583[15:44:59] <cygnusx1> there isnt really replaced-url
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• 2585[15:45:08] <cygnusx1> but that is close
• 2586[15:45:46] <MrDetonia> Yeah that's the only thing I found.
• 2587[15:46:09] <MrDetonia> I was originally going to have a basic RAID 5 setup, but ZFS eliminates some of the errors with it, so wanted to give it a try
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• 2590[15:46:47] <cygnusx1> yea i suggest following the guide i posted. here's another though replaced-url
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• 2593[15:47:00] <karlpinc> !tell MrDetonia about readme.debian
• 2594[15:47:40] <MrDetonia> yeah I'm aware of that karlpinc, thanks
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• 2596[15:48:05] <MrDetonia> never touched ZFS before though, so wanted some kind of guide to ensure I don't break anything
• 2597[15:48:12] <cygnusx1> anyway MrDetonia i have no exp with zfs or i would be more helpful
• 2598[15:48:29] <MrDetonia> np, thanks for providing links at least
• 2599[15:48:37] <cygnusx1> ye man ;)
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• 2612[15:52:53] <karlpinc> MrDetonia: You can probably find the readme.debian for zfs at sources.debian.net.
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• 2622[15:56:31] <jhutchins> ABrownBear: Might be lightdm
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• 2625[15:57:30] <jhutchins> Ah, fun with scrollbuffers.
• 2626[15:57:32] <cygnusx1> had to reset znc
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• 2639[16:01:12] <ABrownBear> jhutchins: thanks I already found it. i searched for /usr/share/lxdm instead of /usr/share/lightdm so I didn't find it and was a bit confused
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• 2670[16:15:45] <julius> i read on a debian forumspost that to get hd550 support you need a recent kernel, for example 4.3 from jesssie backports. is the vga driver not in some xorg package?
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• 2674[16:17:57] <cygnusx1> julius it looks like it depends on your chipset, some are some are not
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• 2682[16:19:58] <sideup66> hiya room, simple question for you folks: i would like to find a debian netinst cd that is multiarch 32/64bit, is that possible? I found the link on the debian.org page however the link takes me to a strech iso, and not a jessie build, which is what I need
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• 2689[16:21:25] <karlpinc> sideup66: There is a link in the upper right corner of debian.org.
• 2690[16:21:39] <babilen> sideup66: replaced-url
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• 2695[16:22:22] <sideup66> d'oh, didnt notice that before
• 2696[16:22:42] <sideup66> thought it was a bit silly that i had to install 64, then add multiarch, then build my server
• 2697[16:22:44] <sideup66> thanks though!
• 2698[16:23:12] <babilen> Eh, that multiarch is not the other multiarch
• 2699[16:23:28] <sideup66> huh?
• 2700[16:23:59] <sideup66> whats the difference?
• 2701[16:24:01] <karlpinc> sideup66: The installer will install either 32 or 64 bit arch. You still need to install multiarch.
• 2702[16:24:01] <babilen> That image allows you to install either an amd64 or an i386 system (it is multi-arch in that sense). For apt's multiarch support you'd still have to enable it explicitly.
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• 2704[16:24:58] <babilen> It is a very unfortunate use of the same term for two different things
• 2705[16:25:07] <sideup66> looks like stretch will have true multi though which should mean out of the box runs either
• 2706[16:25:25] <karlpinc> If only English had a language commission like the French!
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• 2709[16:26:18] <sideup66> i mean sure ill do it, its a one-off scenario but i still find it silly when every other, including commercial operating system has had true multiarch support for years (ie being able to run 32 or 64 bit programs natively)
• 2710[16:26:24] <sideup66> with nothing to be done
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• 2714[16:27:24] <karlpinc> sideup66: Yeah. But on debian you can always just install the package for your arch. Most users don't need multiarch.
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• 2716[16:27:44] <cygnusx1> true. i only use it for wine
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• 2718[16:29:04] <sideup66> yeah sure short term gain, most programs for my system come from apt anyway, but on the chance you need those couple of programs, i find it silly that it requires you to go through a page of steps, i mean, thats fine for my home server, but what about an average use
• 2719[16:29:04] <sideup66> r
• 2720[16:29:24] <sideup66> that doesnt really help adoption....
• 2721[16:29:29] <sideup66> *user i meant btw
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• 2723[16:29:47] <karlpinc> sideup66: The average user should not be installing non-debian packages. see the <don't break debian factoid>.
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• 2727[16:31:10] <sideup66> ok but what if i have a program that is only multiarch for whatever reason an example is something like teamviewer
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• 2729[16:31:27] <sideup66> it doesnt work on debian because telling dpkg to install just goes nope. get multiarch.
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• 2734[16:32:38] <towo`> and what's the problem?
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• 2736[16:32:57] <karlpinc> sideup66: Teamviewer is not in debian. Congratulations! You're an expert. ;-)
• 2737[16:33:03] <cygnusx1> lol
• 2738[16:33:03] <towo`> teamviewer installs fine in debian amd64 (given that multiarch is enabled)
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• 2740[16:33:16] <i5um41ru> hi there, i can't install php5, here is my error replaced-url
• 2741[16:33:52] <julius> cygnusx1, thank you
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• 2743[16:34:42] <cygnusx1> your welcome julius
• 2744[16:35:01] <karlpinc> !tell i5um41ru about bat
• 2745[16:36:31] <sideup66> towo`: thats my point
• 2746[16:36:35] <sideup66> if multiarch is enabled
• 2747[16:36:42] <towo`> and?
• 2748[16:36:49] <towo`> what's the problem?
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• 2751[16:36:59] <sideup66> it shouldnt be a step, it should just be there.....xp happened a looooong time ago folks
• 2752[16:37:17] <sideup66> what does xp have to do with it? well....microsoft was true multi from vista.....
• 2753[16:37:19] <towo`> sideup66, no, it sould not
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• 2755[16:37:24] <sideup66> why
• 2756[16:37:28] <sideup66> whats so evil about having it on
• 2757[16:37:38] <towo`> because not every one wants multiarch
• 2758[16:37:46] <lime_> Oh good old XP
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• 2760[16:37:56] <towo`> most people are happy with 64bit only
• 2761[16:38:03] <sideup66> doesnt mean the current options need to move
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• 2763[16:38:11] <sideup66> just add the third
• 2764[16:38:12] <towo`> what?
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• 2766[16:38:28] <sideup66> third option for multiarch out of the box
• 2767[16:38:34] <sideup66> and then have 32 and 64 seperate
• 2768[16:38:44] <towo`> multiarch brings a massive overhead on a 64bit system
• 2769[16:39:05] <towo`> so why should it be enabled by default?
• 2770[16:39:21] <towo`> you want 32bit on 64bit enable multiarch
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• 2772[16:39:28] <towo`> if not, be happy
• 2773[16:39:31] <cygnusx1> just enable it
• 2774[16:39:40] <cygnusx1> not everyone uses it
• 2775[16:39:53] <cygnusx1> or needs it...ever
• 2776[16:40:13] <cygnusx1> it takes 5 mins to enable multiarch
• 2777[16:40:22] <cygnusx1> i dont see what the big deal is
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• 2787[16:44:08] <sideup66> how the hell is it an overhead
• 2788[16:44:46] <towo`> you have to install a brunch of packages i both archs
• 2789[16:44:55] <towo`> that is overhead
• 2790[16:45:20] <sideup66> no different then running heavier 64 packages in a system
• 2791[16:45:23] <towo`> apt as to check all repos for both archs, tat is even an overhead
• 2792[16:45:32] <towo`> and why you descuss that here?
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• 2820[16:53:50] <julius> the jessie-backports kernel (4.3) shows a blinking cursor in the top left part of the screen right after grub...but stays there. any idea how to get it to boot? im on a i5-6200u cpu / lenovo t560
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• 2825[16:55:10] <somiaj> julius: does the 3.16 kernel boot just fine?
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• 2833[16:56:10] <cygnusx1> julius it does that for me when ii have my bios set to discrete gfx instead of switchable, but for you it may be a grub issue
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• 2837[16:57:49] <julius> somiaj, it does
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• 2840[16:58:03] <julius> let me try the bios
• 2841[16:58:16] <julius> not that the laptop has anything besides the internal card
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• 2843[16:58:43] <julius> im not after the never kernel, just fluid video playback
• 2844[16:58:46] <cygnusx1> well mine has an intel integrated gfx chip as well as nvidia
• 2845[16:59:12] <cygnusx1> so you may need to set nomodeset in your grub cfg file
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• 2858[17:03:31] <julius> what does that do?
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• 2860[17:04:18] <somiaj> julius: what video card? The backport kernels dont' have nearly the testing as the main jessie one so there are some hardware it may have issues with.
• 2861[17:04:31] <somiaj> julius: but lets figure out your graphics card/driver and see if we can get video playback with the 3.16 kernel
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• 2882[17:09:32] <julius> its a intel hd something, in the i5-6200u
• 2883[17:09:34] <julius> let me see
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• 2888[17:10:06] <somiaj> julius: lspci should list it
• 2889[17:10:07] <julius> oh and yes the 4.3 kernel booted with "nomodeset" - still 100% cpu usage for "gnome-shell" and some for mplayer when playing a simple flash
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• 2891[17:10:24] <[Nita]> Hello All.
• 2892[17:10:27] <[Nita]> ?? Help
• 2893[17:10:34] <julius> intel corportion device 1916 rev 07
• 2894[17:10:35] <somiaj> well nomodeset is going to disable your drivers and make it so you are using software emulation, that probabaly sin't what you want
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• 2896[17:10:56] <julius> oh thats what it does
• 2897[17:10:59] <julius> no not what i want
• 2898[17:11:05] <julius> explains the cpu usage though
• 2899[17:11:09] <somiaj> julius: it actually disables all kms drivers
• 2900[17:11:16] <dontknow> julius, i heard 6th gen intel cpu requires blob for 3d acceleration. is it true?
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• 2902[17:11:35] <julius> dont know
• 2903[17:11:38] <somiaj> julius: kms (kernel modesetting) are the new video drivers that work for both the kernel and xorg and nicely talk to eachother. intel should be using this by default and disabling them does just that.
• 2904[17:11:52] <r6ku> dontknow: skylake? yes it does :/
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• 2907[17:12:11] <somiaj> julius: how about go back to your 3.16 kernel and paste the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and lets see what drivers are being loaded on your system.
• 2908[17:12:12] <dontknow> r6ku, thank you dudu :p
• 2909[17:12:14] <somiaj> oh this is skylake?
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• 2913[17:13:02] <julius> yes
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• 2918[17:13:50] <somiaj> julius: maybe it is just your xorg that is failing to load, did you also install the newer intel drivers from backports
• 2919[17:13:57] <somiaj> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
• 2920[17:13:58] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160307-2; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160307-2
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• 2922[17:14:34] <towo`> on skylake, i would use xserver-xorg-video-modesetting instead of the intel ddx
• 2923[17:14:49] <julius> let me try
• 2924[17:14:49] <towo`> and skylake needs firmware for propper working
• 2925[17:15:25] <julius> towo`, is there a resource i can read about that topic?
• 2926[17:15:27] <somiaj> does debian package the firmware yet or do you have to get it from imtel?
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• 2928[17:15:50] <jpgepetto> q
• 2929[17:15:53] <towo`> the firmware in testing has the skylake firmware included
• 2930[17:15:54] <jpgepetto> oops
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• 2932[17:16:09] <towo`> so maybe backports has a propper package
• 2933[17:16:22] <towo`> julius, which topic
• 2934[17:16:24] <somiaj> towo`: what package, they split the linux-firwmare-nonfree up into multiple packages
• 2935[17:16:35] <julius> getting jessie to run on skylake
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• 2937[17:16:51] <julius> it stats, but video playback is very sluggish
• 2938[17:16:52] <towo`> somiaj, i think it's in the misc package
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• 2941[17:17:16] <towo`> julius, on the date, jessie was released, there does not exist skylake
• 2942[17:17:26] <julius> doesnt matter
• 2943[17:17:30] <towo`> julius, so it's normal, it doesn't work propper
• 2944[17:17:30] <julius> we are in the now, now we can test
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• 2947[17:17:41] <somiaj> ,v firmware-misc-nonfree
• 2948[17:17:43] <judd> Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1
• 2949[17:17:45] <julius> lets start with the driver
• 2950[17:18:00] <towo`> julius, so kernel 4.3, and propper firmware is needed
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• 2952[17:18:13] <somiaj> julius: taking towo` suggest which sounds good, you will need to install the linux-firmware-nonfree to get the firmware from skylake in backports
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• 2954[17:18:22] <towo`> and since the intel-ddx is crap since months, i would use the modesetting ddx
• 2955[17:18:31] <julius> already got 4.3 from backports, but it wont start unless "nomodeset" is set at grub time
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• 2957[17:18:44] <towo`> julius, can you read?
• 2958[17:18:53] <towo`> julius, you need the propper firmware
• 2959[17:18:56] <somiaj> julius: I'd suggest installing that package from backports (even though it is really firmware-misc-nonfree + firmware-amd-nonfree [but this should make sure you upgrade that package from stable correctly provided you have it in]
• 2960[17:18:57] <julius> is the firmware "active" at boot time already?
• 2961[17:19:04] <towo`> on 3.16 your system was running with vesa
• 2962[17:19:22] <julius> ok
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• 2972[17:26:17] <DammitJim> how bad is it for me to set up an rsync job with a key w/o a passphrase?
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• 2974[17:26:54] <CQ> hello, how would you "clone" a debian system? I want to do a clean installation, and then configure it just like another system. This is a VM that I restored (entire disk image restore under windows) that causes freezes and subsequent fsck-able disk errors regularly now
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• 2977[17:27:21] <CQ> install all packages, and diff the /etc dir ? something like that?
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• 2981[17:27:57] <bitch_ass_> Hi!
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• 2983[17:28:22] <bitch_ass_> Can't integrate my Riseup account in Icedove with Torbirdy enabled
• 2984[17:28:25] <bitch_ass_> This is weird
• 2985[17:28:28] <bitch_ass_> This used to work before
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• 2992[17:30:33] <julius> towo`, with firmware-linux-nonfree from jessie backports theres a big "crash" when the kernel starts without "quit" but i cant see the start. screen gets repainted and i can see: something about the trackpoint
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• 2995[17:32:05] <julius> weird, a press on the power button starts the shutdown procedure and works. all those console STOP message scroll by
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• 3010[17:38:59] <tubaman> julius: maybe try and get a video of it and then freeze frame?
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• 3043[18:00:17] <l4m8d4> hey guys, how does the firefox transition on debian look on debian testing? will I just get an update to a firefox or do I have to install the firefox package manually?
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• 3046[18:02:07] <cygnusx1> i think debian uses iceweasel, but it should come with it
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• 3053[18:03:18] <TomTomTosch> l4m8d4, you install firefox from here > replaced-url
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• 3058[18:04:37] <l4m8d4> TomTomTosch: okay, will that be installed side-by-side with iceweasel or does it replace it?
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• 3061[18:04:57] <TomTomTosch> l4m8d4, it will not replace it, it's a different package.
• 3062[18:05:23] <l4m8d4> TomTomTosch: Aha, so it also doesn't load all my iceweasel configs and data right?
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• 3064[18:05:38] <TomTomTosch> l4m8d4, it will use the same config files afaik.
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• 3066[18:06:37] <l4m8d4> TomTomTosch: okay, thanks! Another question though: what will happen with the iceweasel package in testing? Is it just unmaintained now or will debian continue providing new iceweasel versions?
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• 3069[18:07:20] <TomTomTosch> i think the one in testing will be removed. not sure though.
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• 3071[18:07:39] <TomTomTosch> i don't think they will maintain two versions of firefox.
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• 3073[18:08:16] <julius> tubaman, its a kernel crash, i believe something went terrible wrong
• 3074[18:08:18] <l4m8d4> Btw, doesn't just adding unstable and keeping it in soruces.list pull other updates from testing when upgrading? Because that's what my system tried to do back in the days when I added unstable....
• 3075[18:08:22] <julius> those things never told me anything
• 3076[18:08:27] <l4m8d4> *from unstable
• 3077[18:08:29] <julius> but good idea on the capture part
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• 3079[18:08:58] <l4m8d4> I think you need to use pinning for proper operation here, at least that's what I did
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• 3084[18:11:24] <julius> towo`, any more ideas than firmware-linux-nonfree and 4.3? crashes
• 3085[18:11:33] <TomTomTosch> l4m8d4, the iceweasel package in sid is a transitional one for firefox anyway, so the one in stretch will be soon too.
• 3086[18:11:41] <MyWay> hello, I have to to partition my new uefi system with raid1, I have two disk; which is the smallest partition layout? ESP -> 500M not mounted, ext4 mounted on /?
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• 3088[18:11:50] <towo`> julius, why should i
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• 3090[18:12:02] <towo`> try a newer kernel, maybe 4.4 from testing
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• 3093[18:13:32] <julius> could do the trick
• 3094[18:13:50] <julius> any hints on how to install a packet from testing without bricking the system?
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• 3096[18:14:17] <cygnusx1> julius make a backup
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• 3099[18:14:29] <cygnusx1> before you test
• 3100[18:14:41] <TomTomTosch> julius, you don't install from testing. you backport it if possible.
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• 3102[18:14:59] <TomTomTosch> !tell julius about ssb
• 3103[18:15:01] <towo`> julius, wait
• 3104[18:15:17] <l4m8d4> Okay, upgrading to the unstable firefox from the testing iceweasel worked fine, problem solved, thanks
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• 3106[18:15:33] <TomTomTosch> l4m8d4, why not use the mozilla repo?
• 3107[18:16:04] <TomTomTosch> l4m8d4, also, if you want to ask questions about stretch you should go to #debian-next
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• 3110[18:16:38] <TomTomTosch> l4m8d4, on irc.oftc.net that is.
• 3111[18:16:42] <l4m8d4> TomTomTosch: I prefer unstable, because the unstable package will transitionto testing. mozilla.debian.net also recommends this procedure, btw.
• 3112[18:16:44] <julius> what about downloading the .deb for a unstalbe kernel and installing it with dpkg -i ?
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• 3115[18:17:11] <l4m8d4> I was already wondering why #debian-next on freenode was invite-only
• 3116[18:17:14] <towo`> julius, try i915.preliminary_hw_support=1 as boot parameter with kernel 4.3
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• 3119[18:17:21] <TomTomTosch> l4m8d4, ah, just seen it.
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• 3121[18:17:36] <TomTomTosch> l4m8d4, you are on the wrong server. irc.oftc.net
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• 3125[18:18:05] <julius> towo`, that goes onto the line: ro quiet ?
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• 3127[18:18:08] <l4m8d4> TomTomTosch: thanks for letting me know - confusing that #debian and #debian-next now use different irc servers
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• 3129[18:18:14] <towo`> julius, yes
• 3130[18:18:20] <julius> ok
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• 3149[18:22:10] <julius> where might i find "=" on the keyboard at boot time?
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• 3152[18:22:22] <julius> ah got it
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• 3157[18:23:07] <julius> no luck, endless crash that scrolls by to fast
• 3158[18:23:17] <julius> im gonna try TomTomTosch's idea
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• 3169[18:27:48] <sgrover> Looking for help with rsync - I'm receiving "rsync: fork failed in do_recv: Resource temporarily unavailable (11) rsync error: error in IPC code (code 14) at main.c(866)" The "resource" in this case is a directory that is a mounted NFS share.
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• 3171[18:28:46] <sgrover> This isn't debian specific, but I was told to try here from the #docker channel. I'm open to taking this to another channel if you can point me to a better target. :)
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• 3173[18:29:37] <julius> TomTomTosch, the part: apt-get build-dep linux-image-amd64 says: could not find version 70~bpo8+1
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• 3180[18:31:49] <julius> sgrover, theres #rsync for example
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• 3183[18:34:13] <jhutchins> sgrover: Why not rsync from the actual source?
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• 3186[18:35:36] <TomTomTosch> julius, oh, you want to backport the kernel from sid? nvm what i said, that will not work.
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• 3192[18:37:12] <sgrover> julius: thanks. I was trying to find references to a channel like that. I'll move this there then.
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• 3246[18:58:42] <yareally> #android-dev
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• 3248[18:58:58] <greenguy> Hi all! I'm about to download and install Debian on my computer. And I'm wondering what type of ISO I should pick, amd64arm64armelarmhfi386mipsmipselpowerpcppc64els390x. My processor is: Intel Core 2 CPU T7400 @2.16Ghz x 2
• 3249[18:59:14] <dfcnvt> I've installed a new Debian OS recently, like last week. I noticed that the timing seem lagging or slow than the previous OS I was on (ubuntu)
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• 3251[18:59:41] <dfcnvt> For example, if I pressed Enter after simply just a 'ls' command. It would pause for a while then showed up the list of directory.
• 3252[18:59:54] <jmcnaught> greenguy: for Core 2 you want amd64 (which is the term Debian uses for x86_64)
• 3253[19:00:06] <dfcnvt> This pausing length seem long...Doesn't immediately show it.
• 3254[19:00:15] <greenguy> jmcnaught: thank you!
• 3255[19:00:37] <karlpinc> greenguy: You can use the link in the upper right corner of debian.org.
• 3256[19:00:47] <jmcnaught> greenguy: is it a laptop?
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• 3259[19:01:04] <greenguy> jmcnaught: yes it is!
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• 3261[19:01:16] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: The question is, where's the slowdown....
• 3262[19:01:21] <greenguy> karlpinc: oh ok, it picks the right one for me?
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• 3264[19:01:29] <okee> How do I fix an error at startup that says not running dhcpcd because /etc/network/interface failed??
• 3265[19:01:39] <karlpinc> greenguy: It is the right one for you. :)
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• 3267[19:01:57] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: What happens if you do this on a vt?
• 3268[19:02:01] <jmcnaught> greenguy: there's a pretty good chance you'll need some non-free firmwares if you use wifi for the install. This chapter of the install manual tells you how to handle this, and also has a link to an unofficial installer iso that includes most of the firmwares: replaced-url
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• 3270[19:02:40] <karlpinc> greenguy: jmcnaught is right. You will likely need some non-free firmware and his link is best for that.
• 3271[19:02:51] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: vt?
• 3272[19:02:53] <greenguy> jmcnaught: Oh, thanks for the info! But I use a cable!
• 3273[19:03:00] <karlpinc> greenguy: (Unless you use a cable.)
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• 3275[19:03:18] <karlpinc> greenguy: Then you will just want to enable the non-free repos during the install. It asks.
• 3276[19:03:19] <jmcnaught> greenguy: good thinking :) still, the install manual is excellent, worth a quick skim at least
• 3277[19:03:23] <karlpinc> !tell dfcnvt about vt
• 3278[19:03:28] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: I may figured out the cause, Chrome browser may be responsible for using up all the memory.
• 3279[19:03:28] <greenguy> karlpinc: also, the iso I get when I click the upper right icon is not the minimal one right?
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• 3282[19:03:51] <karlpinc> greenguy: It's the netinstall. That will install whatever you want.
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• 3285[19:04:12] <greenguy> karlpinc: Oh ok! Noted
• 3286[19:04:17] <karlpinc> greenguy: Unless you plan to install somewhere with no network you want to use the netinstall.
• 3287[19:04:18] <greenguy> jmcnaught: will do!
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• 3289[19:04:54] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: The output of "vmstat 1" may help, as will ps or top sorted by memory usage.
• 3290[19:06:05] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: yes, it's chrome...There's too many tabs.
• 3291[19:06:08] <DammitJim> how bad is it to have an rsync job with an ssh key that doesn't have a passphrase?
• 3292[19:06:37] <greenguy> karlpinc: So the net install checks what cpu you are using and dl the correct version? :) Just curious.
• 3293[19:06:46] <greycat> Depends on how well protected the key file is, and what privileges the account has on the server.
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• 3296[19:07:29] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: I think I have a decent system that should handle any memory issues. perhaps I may need to add swap partition for it? All for the sake of improving performance.
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• 3298[19:08:15] <tyll_> Hi, how can I make apt-get run noninteractive, e.g. just install packages when asked for it? I tried running it with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive but it still issues a prompt? replaced-url
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• 3300[19:09:18] <Mixx2> dpkg, upgrade wheezy to jessie
• 3301[19:09:18] <dpkg> Mixx2: I give up, what is it?
• 3302[19:09:26] <Mixx2> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
• 3303[19:09:26] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
• 3304[19:09:45] <karlpinc> DammitJim: I do it all the time. But Beware the Ides of March and all that like greycat said.
• 3305[19:10:02] <DammitJim> Ides of March? what does that mean?
• 3306[19:10:21] <DammitJim> privileges for the account that I am ssh'ing into... got it!
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• 3309[19:10:46] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Swap is always good. There's going to be stuff in ram that isn't being used, so, swap.
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• 3312[19:11:45] <karlpinc> DammitJim: It's got something to do with Shakespeare. And history -- the assassantaion of Ceasar and all that. You know, Treachery, Treason, and other words like that.
• 3313[19:11:55] <DammitJim> whoa... I need to read more
• 3314[19:11:58] <DammitJim> LOL
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• 3318[19:12:30] <DammitJim> an application is going to be dropping files or creating a new directory in this folder
• 3319[19:12:42] <DammitJim> all the data in that folder needs to be in 2 other identical servers
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• 3321[19:12:53] <DammitJim> I was going to set up inotify to rsync the stuff to the other servers
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• 3323[19:13:00] <DammitJim> is there a different way of doing this?
• 3324[19:13:01] <karlpinc> DammitJim: You don't need to secure the public key. It can be public. The private key must be kept private.
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• 3327[19:13:16] <TomTomTosch> tyll, if you want help with ubuntu you should try #ubuntu.
• 3328[19:13:19] <DammitJim> yeah, the private key, I'll keep somewhere else
• 3329[19:13:25] <greycat> The obvious alternative is to have the other two machines pull the data periodically.
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• 3332[19:13:58] <DammitJim> thanks greycat ...that IS another option
• 3333[19:14:00] <karlpinc> DammitJim: Incron, instead of your own inotify implementation.
• 3334[19:14:16] <DammitJim> incron is a kind of application?
• 3335[19:14:21] <greycat> Most people who try to use inotify in #bash do it very wrong.
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• 3337[19:14:28] <karlpinc> DammitJim: Depending on your requirements you may want a cron job anyway, since inotify is "lossy".
• 3338[19:14:30] <DammitJim> yikes
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• 3340[19:14:36] <tyll> TomTomTosch: uh, did not notice that it is ubuntu, will try it there. Nevertheless is apt-get that different in debian and ubuntu?
• 3341[19:14:36] <greycat> They try to act on "create" events, etc.
• 3342[19:14:38] <DammitJim> IT IS???
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• 3345[19:14:49] <sypher> DammitJim: Yeah, it's a bit wonky.
• 3346[19:14:49] <karlpinc> DammitJim: aptitude show incron
• 3347[19:14:58] <TomTomTosch> tyll, things are completely different.
• 3348[19:15:02] <DammitJim> well, thanks for telling me!
• 3349[19:15:30] <DammitJim> what I don't like about the cron thing is that I would have to either keep state or rsync at every interval
• 3350[19:15:31] <karlpinc> DammitJim: It mostly works. You just might want something cleaning up on occassion just in case.
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• 3352[19:15:51] <sypher> DammitJim: What's wrong with interval rsync?
• 3353[19:15:52] <DammitJim> that's an interesting point...
• 3354[19:15:59] <greycat> A daily rsync "whether we need it or not" is not out of the realm of reason here.
• 3355[19:16:06] <karlpinc> DammitJim: Rsyncing all the time is not bad, so long as there's not "lots of files". Reading all the inodes takes time.
• 3356[19:16:17] <DammitJim> sypher, they want these files to be on the other server within a minute to be able to use the files
• 3357[19:16:43] <tyll> TomTomTosch: just wondering, what kind of differences are there in apt-get?
• 3358[19:16:45] <DammitJim> I think I might do both
• 3359[19:16:49] <karlpinc> DammitJim: Do they put new stuff in every minute?
• 3360[19:16:50] <sypher> DammitJim: Are these servers in the same network, out of curiosity?
• 3361[19:17:05] <DammitJim> no, they don't... they'll put something on there every week
• 3362[19:17:11] <DammitJim> but when they put it there, they want it within a minute
• 3363[19:17:15] <DammitJim> same network
• 3364[19:17:35] <TomTomTosch> tyll, different versions, different patches. i don't know, i don't use ubuntu. we don't support ubuntu for a reason, #ubuntu does a great job.
• 3365[19:17:37] <DammitJim> man, I guess my other problem about inotify is that I don't know what I am going to trigger on!
• 3366[19:17:40] <karlpinc> DammitJim: inotify only fails under pretty high load.
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• 3368[19:17:49] <DammitJim> if they create a new folder with multiple files... inotify might go nuts
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• 3370[19:18:28] <karlpinc> DammitJim: Do they put stuff in subdirs but not into the "main" dir? If not then you don't need to watch the subdirs.
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• 3372[19:18:30] <Mixx2> udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but 0.8.5.1-5 is to be installed
• 3373[19:18:46] <greycat> Well, I'd design it so that only one rsync can be running at any given time. If new events register while an rsync is already in progress, just discard them.
• 3374[19:18:58] <DammitJim> greycat, you were saying #bash doesn't use it right
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• 3376[19:19:04] <tyll> TomTomTosch: so in Debian, DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive would be enough to make apt-get noninteractive?
• 3377[19:19:06] <greycat> *people* in #bash tend not to use it right, yeah.
• 3378[19:19:08] <DammitJim> karlpinc, they might update a file in a sub directory
• 3379[19:19:12] <DammitJim> or they might create a new directory
• 3380[19:19:15] <DammitJim> and put new files in it
• 3381[19:19:32] <DammitJim> ok, I got some research to do... and see how I can trigger on it
• 3382[19:20:05] <karlpinc> DammitJim: Rsync the whole thing. Put a delay in before the rsync starts. Keep bumping the delay as long as you get new events.
• 3383[19:20:33] <DammitJim> ooohhh... magic!
• 3384[19:20:54] <DammitJim> where does one set the delay, karlpinc ? rsync itself or incron?
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• 3386[19:21:28] <greycat> in your program
• 3387[19:21:32] <karlpinc> DammitJim: incron won't delay, it just notices inotify events and triggers something you tell it to run. So your script does some magic.
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• 3390[19:22:09] <karlpinc> DammitJim: I find configuring incron hard to debug. (Which still makes it better than not using incron....)
• 3391[19:22:11] <tyll> TomTomTosch: It seems that -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confnew" is needed for this in Ubuntu
• 3392[19:22:32] <DammitJim> ok, thanks
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• 3398[19:26:47] <atmosx> hello, anyone using bintray? I uploaded a package but doesn't appear on the list..
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• 3401[19:27:04] <tyll> TomTomTosch: at least for an upgrade it does not seem to work in debian as well, apt-get asks here if I want to continue
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• 3406[19:28:41] <TomTomTosch> tyll, you can pass -y for that. not sure why you would want to do that though.
• 3407[19:29:18] <Mixx2> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
• 3408[19:29:18] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
• 3409[19:29:50] <TomTomTosch> Mixx2, '/msg dpkg whatever' for private use.
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• 3412[19:30:15] <Mixx2> its not working for me
• 3413[19:30:21] <Mixx2> the dist upgrade bit is saying udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but 0.8.5.1-5 is to be installed
• 3414[19:30:23] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Mixx2 about msgthebot
• 3415[19:30:37] <abrotman> Mixx2: pastebin the whole error, and your sources.list
• 3416[19:31:11] <Mixx2> replaced-url
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• 3418[19:31:36] <tyll> TomTomTosch: thank you, I see, I just try to understand what DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive does, I am not that firm with apt-get
• 3419[19:31:47] <jelly> Mixx2: good, also output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy udev plymouth"
• 3420[19:32:08] <jmcnaught> tyll: DEBIAN_FRONTEND controls the debconf interface, see debconf(7)
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• 3423[19:32:31] <Mixx2> replaced-url
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• 3427[19:33:15] <Mixx2> oh i need to disable pinning
• 3428[19:33:17] <Mixx2> woops
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• 3434[19:35:00] <jelly> Mixx2: yeah, pinning and held packages can cause problems with apt during a release upgrade
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• 3437[19:35:26] <jelly> !held
• 3438[19:35:26] <dpkg> Packages currently on <hold> can be listed with «dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$'» (on hold for apt-get), or «aptitude search ~ahold» (on hold for aptitude). See also <unhold>.
• 3439[19:35:51] <jelly> (I believe this is a documented step in the release notes)
• 3440[19:35:56] <careta> hey guys, when I'm compiling something, how can I tell the compiler where to look for the libraries? For example, I have two versions of libc and I want to tell the compiler to link to a specific one
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• 3443[19:36:17] <greenguy> jmcnaught: I just found this: replaced-url
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• 3446[19:36:50] <okee> I have some jetty remnants that haven't been removed with the apt-get remove, apt-get autoremove, apt-get autoclean, aptitude. what would be a good way to get rid of them? The package is not installed.
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• 3449[19:37:20] <okee> The jetty remnants are not showing up in aptitude.
• 3450[19:38:04] <karlpinc> okee:
• 3451[19:38:09] <karlpinc> did you purge?
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• 3453[19:38:24] <okee> karlpinc> Yes, I purged. forgot to mention that, but it was done.
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• 3456[19:38:39] <jmcnaught> okee: did you install jetty with apt or dpkg? or from a tarball?
• 3457[19:38:51] <okee> jetty was originally installed with apt
• 3458[19:38:53] <tyll> jmcnaught: ah, I guess I unterstand now, but the prompt about the conflicing config files in /etc is probably not debconf or is it?
• 3459[19:39:30] <jmcnaught> tyll: no, that's not debconf. This might help you: replaced-url
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• 3462[19:40:33] <jmcnaught> okee: what kind of jetty remnants do you mean? configuration files in /etc? is jetty still installed?
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• 3465[19:41:11] <okee> jmcnaught> /usr/share/jetty
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• 3468[19:42:36] <jmcnaught> okee: i don't really know jetty. is it possible you at some point added some files to /usr/share/jetty that were not included in the packages? What are the files?
• 3469[19:42:37] <tyll> jmcnaught: thank you, this is a good read
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• 3471[19:42:41] <Mixx2> still happening
• 3472[19:42:42] <Mixx2> :(
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• 3474[19:42:56] <okee> jmcnaught> No.
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• 3477[19:43:03] <jelly> Mixx2: nothing on hold?
• 3478[19:43:06] <okee> jmcnaught> Jetty is a database
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• 3481[19:43:26] <okee> jmcnaught> Inside the file is a directory called Desktop
• 3482[19:43:39] <Mixx2> jelly: not from dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$
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• 3484[19:43:41] <Mixx2> i dont have aptitude
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• 3486[19:44:37] <jelly> Mixx2: eh, I'd get rid of plymouth temporarily, do the upgrade and put it back
• 3487[19:44:52] <jmcnaught> okee: if it's just an empty directory called Desktop in there, you can obviously remove that. It probably came from a user mistake.
• 3488[19:44:56] <okee> jmcnaught> What is strange is that I already have write access in the permission, yet jetty won't let me access a directory called Desktop.
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• 3490[19:45:26] <jelly> Mixx2: which exact command did you run?
• 3491[19:45:33] <jmcnaught> okee: it sounds like at one point you "customized" jetty. i doubt that Desktop belongs there
• 3492[19:45:59] <Mixx2> apt-get dist-upgrade
• 3493[19:46:03] <okee> jmcnaught> No, I have not customized jetty
• 3494[19:46:07] <MrMonkey31> hey doods? I'm about to ask something skeezy-sounding but I'm really not UP TO anything...
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• 3496[19:46:31] <MrMonkey31> if I'm admin of an email server, is there a way to encrypt the contents of my users' mail? from myself even?
• 3497[19:46:51] <jmcnaught> okee: when in doubt, look at the files before deciding to delete them. If it wasn't you that created /usr/share/jetty/Desktop, who did? I really doubt it was a Debian package.
• 3498[19:46:53] <jelly> Mixx2: 4.4.4. says to run "apt-get upgrade" first.
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• 3500[19:47:00] <MrMonkey31> and 2ndary q: is it ssimple? :}
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• 3502[19:47:03] <mkb> MrMonkey31, they could give you public keys and you could encrypt on receipt
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• 3504[19:47:27] <jelly> Mixx2: are you reading the right release notes? replaced-url
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• 3506[19:47:33] <Mixx2> i did that jelly
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• 3508[19:47:51] <jelly> Mixx2: oh, and it was successful?
• 3509[19:48:00] <Mixx2> yessir
• 3510[19:48:06] <MrMonkey31> mkb: but strictly speaking, prior to the encryption step, I would have access
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• 3513[19:48:23] <Mixx2> i removed plymouth and the upgrade is going now
• 3514[19:48:24] <mkb> yes you can't stop that
• 3515[19:48:25] <Dkmstr> Hello, I'm currently working on a Virtual Host, so I can run multiple sites off of the same IP. I'm a little confused as to what I need to be doing. I'm currently sitting in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and I'm not sure what I need to do next.
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• 3517[19:48:36] <sypher> mkb: Actually, you can.
• 3518[19:48:52] <mkb> the mail is transmitted in plaintext to your mailserver (even with SMTPS/TLS your mailserver has the session key)
• 3519[19:48:56] <mkb> sypher, how?
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• 3521[19:49:13] <sypher> mkb: GPG is one way, of course. Another way is by using an encrypted wrapper service, of which there are many. Some are even free, and have excellent security architecture.
• 3522[19:49:21] <mkb> yes, but he can't contorl that
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• 3525[19:49:42] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: you can use /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default as an example/template. You'll need to refer to Apache documentation for what each of the directives mean
• 3526[19:49:42] <okee> jmcnaught>Jetty is in the repos, but it has been upgraded much since I originally installed it. For reasons unknown the upgrade didn't go through.
• 3527[19:49:45] <mkb> presumably he wants his users to receive mail from the Internet at large
• 3528[19:49:47] <sypher> mkb: He's not trying to control it. He's trying to have his users' mail encrypted, even from himself.
• 3529[19:50:09] <sypher> MrMonkey31: Essentially, that's the only way you're going to do it, and it would be on select messages only.
• 3530[19:50:23] <greycat> sypher: I believe an implicit part of the question is "the senders are not encrypting"
• 3531[19:50:38] <sypher> MrMonkey31: Anything else would still involve you having access to the contents, because the system has to process the contents, and you own the system.
• 3532[19:50:42] <MrMonkey31> well I think I see where I'm at, in any case. thx y'all. yeah,m I don't want to *know* what they're talking about :p but if it's not super straightfwd, it defeats the purpose rather
• 3533[19:50:47] <sypher> greycat: Then he should have said that.
• 3534[19:50:55] <mkb> you can prevent yourself from looking in the future if you've been honest in the past
• 3535[19:51:10] <sypher> MrMonkey31: Sender-side encryption is the only way you're going to achieve your objective.
• 3536[19:51:14] <greycat> sypher: Hell, in my reading of the question I thought he meant *outgoing*! The rest of you assumed incoming.
• 3537[19:51:24] <sypher> greycat: I just assumed any and all. :P
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• 3539[19:51:33] <mkb> (or from it being looked at by hackers, the government, or whoever is interested)
• 3540[19:51:55] <sypher> MrMonkey31: Essentially, the best you can do in the way of "zero knowledge" email is by having your senders encrypt contents.
• 3541[19:51:55] <TomTomTosch> sender-side encryption was also the first thing mkb recommended if i read correctly.
• 3542[19:52:10] <jmcnaught> okee: apt/dpkg default behaviour when removing a package is that if it discovers new files (files that were not part of a package) it leaves them for you do clean up. That way it doesn't go deleting stuff it doesn't know about. At some point after installing Jetty, you or someone created new files in /usr/share/jetty, and when you removed the jetty packages, dpkg left those files.
• 3543[19:52:25] <sypher> MrMonkey31: My company uses Virtru for just such a thing.
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• 3545[19:52:27] <julius> TomTomTosch, than i misunderstood you. what was your suggestion?
• 3546[19:52:33] <mkb> TomTomTosch, nope. I didn't think it was relevant because he can't really control his users
• 3547[19:52:38] * sypher is not endorsing it. Just giving an option.
• 3548[19:52:45] <MrMonkey31> sypher: aye, so like email+, what I was hoping to avoid. looks like it's a necessary compromise though
• 3549[19:52:47] <Dkmstr> Jmcnaught, nice to see you again. I have a template for my .conf file already, but I'm unsure where to generate it. I know somewhere in my sites-available I need to generate a .conf file with that template, for the website dkm.tangoworldwide.net
• 3550[19:52:57] <okee> jmcnaught> So how do i get rid of this file now?
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• 3552[19:53:10] <sypher> MrMonkey31: That's about all you can do.
• 3553[19:53:27] <okee> jmcnaught> I can't access the directory, even though I have permission.
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• 3557[19:53:50] <greycat> okee: you contradict yourself.
• 3558[19:53:51] <Dkmstr> okee, have you taken ownership of the directory? I think the command is chown
• 3559[19:54:02] <cygnusx1> it is
• 3560[19:54:03] <karlpinc> okee: Maybe there's an ACL or something?
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• 3562[19:54:12] <cygnusx1> chown username
• 3563[19:54:22] <Dkmstr> Template: chown <username> <Directory Path>
• 3564[19:54:28] <cygnusx1> ^^^
• 3565[19:55:16] <jmcnaught> okee: or you could make a pastebin of "ls -lR" on that directory
• 3566[19:55:53] <greycat> Screw that. Start with a pastebin of the command he ran and the error he got. THEN we can ask for ls -ld on specific paths.
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• 3568[19:57:00] <okee> jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 3571[19:58:03] <okee> jmcnaught> replaced-url
• 3572[19:58:10] <jmcnaught> okee: that's a very strange place for a Desktop directory owned by root.
• 3573[19:58:27] <okee> jmcnaught> Yes it is, and I have no idea how it got there.
• 3574[19:58:33] <okee> Its the curse.
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• 3576[19:58:48] <greycat> Oh god, is this the person from the other day who wants to *RAM* a fucking program into an end user's ~/Desktop/ directory and not let the user delete it?
• 3577[19:59:25] <okee> greycat> NO
• 3578[19:59:47] <greycat> ... is there any chance you're the user the other guy was trying to inflict it upon? :)
• 3579[19:59:48] <jmcnaught> okee: you probably did something you shouldn't like log into X as root. As we can see from the paste, the directory is owned by root and only root has access. Use su or sudo to see what is inside it.
• 3580[20:00:04] <DammitJim> karlpinc, were you suggesting incron because otherwise I would have to create some kind of startup script to run inotify?
• 3581[20:00:26] <greycat> DammitJim: you're going to need MUCH more than "a startup script". You're going to need a full custom-written application to manage this.
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• 3583[20:00:41] <mkb> is /usr/share/jetty someone's home directory?
• 3584[20:00:42] <jhutchins> greycat: That was r0ck_
• 3585[20:00:45] <DammitJim> oh gosh
• 3586[20:00:47] <greycat> jhutchins: ok, thanks
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• 3588[20:01:11] <Mixx2> Failed to talk to init daemon.
• 3589[20:01:14] <Mixx2> doh :(
• 3590[20:01:20] <Dkmstr> I need to generate a .conf for dkm.tangoworldwide.net. So I go to the directory /etc/apache2/sites-available/, I then typed "sudo nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/dkm.tangoworldwide.conf" Is that correct or incorrect?
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• 3592[20:01:32] <greycat> Mixx2: if you're upgrading, some things won't work until you reboot to replace init with systemd
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• 3594[20:01:39] <jhutchins> Mixx2: Maybe because it's systemd?
• 3595[20:01:43] <Mixx2> thats when i use the command reboot
• 3596[20:01:51] <Guest50312> Hi, I'm about to install Debian. Should I pick "Install" or "64 bit Install"?
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• 3598[20:02:01] <greycat> Guest50312: depends on your computer
• 3599[20:02:11] <Dkmstr> Guest50312 Are you on 32 or 64 bit? It's entirely dependent on that
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• 3601[20:02:26] <Guest50312> I'm sorry I dont know.
• 3602[20:02:32] <greycat> What kind of CPU/computer is it?
• 3603[20:02:39] <jhutchins> Guest50312: How new?
• 3604[20:02:41] <Guest50312> Intel Core 2 CPU T7400 @2.16Ghz x 2
• 3605[20:02:44] <greycat> That's 64-bit.
• 3606[20:02:47] <okee> jmcnaught> Now that I see the contents, I think this is something Samsung did with support for the printer.
• 3607[20:02:48] <Guest50312> Thank you!
• 3608[20:02:49] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: it doesn't matter what the file is called. It's important what you use for ServerName inside the VirtualHost
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• 3612[20:03:34] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: On some systems it matters whether it ends in .conf, but not all. What you said is fine.
• 3613[20:03:40] <Dkmstr> So if I'm working with dkm.tangoworldwide.net, the server admins is <myuser>@dkm.tang---, What would my servername be?
• 3614[20:03:49] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: oh yyeah, it has to end with .conf in Jessie
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• 3617[20:04:19] <Dkmstr> I have it set as that jmcnaught, Debian 8 requires it for what I'm attempting to do
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• 3619[20:04:26] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: Whatever you set it to.
• 3620[20:04:43] <Dkmstr> jhutchins, jmcnaught, I'm trying to figure out what the difference between my Server Name and Server Alias is
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• 3622[20:04:49] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: replaced-url
• 3623[20:05:11] <julius> is there a way to test kernel from sid in jessie for a skylake processor?
• 3624[20:05:17] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: Doesn't really matter, you should have only one servername, you can have multiple aliases.
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• 3627[20:05:40] <jelly> Dkmstr: there's no functional difference but you need one ServerName and you need zero or more ServerAliases
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• 3629[20:05:49] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: SO name -tangoworldwide.net, Alias replaced-url
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• 3632[20:06:34] <Dkmstr> So even though it is dkm.tango---, I ignore the "dkm" bit of it?
• 3633[20:07:06] <Dkmstr> Because Tangoworldwide.net is a functioning website, not mine
• 3634[20:07:13] <Dkmstr> I was just given a VM from them to work on this
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• 3638[20:08:48] <Dkmstr> Well I'll test it, and my other question is when I go to save, I get the options for DOS, Mac, Append, Prepend, etc, what do I choose?
• 3639[20:09:11] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: No, you want to put that as part of the name, sorry.
• 3640[20:09:28] <CQ> is it worth installing debian to a UBS3 stick, or just use a live distro? I have a laptop where I need to use linux from time to time, but can't repartition
• 3641[20:09:34] <Dkmstr> jhutchins, I don't follow
• 3642[20:09:38] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: You can't actually buy dkm.tangoworldwide.net then.
• 3643[20:09:55] <Dkmstr> Yeah
• 3644[20:10:01] <Dkmstr> So am I placing dkm.tang--- in the servername?
• 3645[20:10:07] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: You buy/register the middle part of the hostname.
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• 3647[20:10:25] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: You can't use that hostname on the internet. You could use it in a private network though.
• 3648[20:10:31] <Dkmstr> Hang on, let me grab my instructions
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• 3651[20:10:53] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: does dkm.tangoworldwide.net resolve to the/an IP address used by this VM?
• 3652[20:10:54] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: Unless the owner is willing to let you and willing to set you up on their DNS.
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• 3654[20:11:22] <Dkmstr> We're a gaming community, this is something he asked me to work on to learn a bit about Linux. Being set up on the DNS won't be a problem as far as I know
• 3655[20:11:31] <Dkmstr> replaced-url
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• 3657[20:11:43] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: Ok, then you want the full servername, and probably no alias.
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• 3659[20:11:57] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: if so, and you have "ServerName dkm.tangoworldwide.net" in a VirtualHost, when Apache gets a request for that domain name it will serve up that virtual host
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• 3661[20:12:07] <Dkmstr> Alright
• 3662[20:12:21] <Dkmstr> So don't insert an alias?
• 3663[20:12:22] <migmolrod> anyone knows a free alternative to squirrelmail? or a good free skin for squirrelmail? it looks a bit outdated to me
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• 3665[20:12:34] <markybob> migmolrod: roundcube
• 3666[20:12:42] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: Unless you want it to respond to a different name.
• 3667[20:12:45] <Dkmstr> no
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• 3669[20:12:59] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: the Apache docs that I linked to you above are quite good and answer a lot of the questions you've had here
• 3670[20:13:16] <migmolrod> markybob thanks
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• 3672[20:13:20] <jhutchins> migmolrod: roundcube
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• 3675[20:13:29] <jelly> migmolrod: squirrelmail itself is free, afaik, and it has been looking outdated for the last 10+ years
• 3676[20:13:34] <Dkmstr> jmcnaught, I'm searching through the document as I sit here, but I find that it's often less confusing to hear it from people, when you haven't had a lot of experience in the matter at hand
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• 3678[20:14:00] <migmolrod> holy cow. i've just found that roundcube is actually what my current hosting uses for webmail haha
• 3679[20:14:17] <jhutchins> migmolrod: replaced-url
• 3680[20:14:38] <jmcnaught> migmolrod: roundcube is in backports for jessie
• 3681[20:15:31] <migmolrod> jhutchins thanks
• 3682[20:15:32] <Dkmstr> I just want to confirm, is this what I want to see when I go? replaced-url
• 3683[20:15:48] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: i understand, but on the other hand it can be confusing to get answers from people when you don't have the context from reading the docs
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• 3685[20:16:30] <Dkmstr> Jmcnaught, Not sure, I definitely understood the help you and jhutchins have given me, so I think you for that
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• 3695[20:20:20] <jaggzt> anyone know how to resolve wine's "bad exe format" issue?
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• 3697[20:21:03] <jhutchins> jaggzt: That sounds like an architecture issue (32 v 64).
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• 3701[20:22:42] <jaggzt> okay.. I have wine installed, which installs wine32 and wine64, but sometime I think I removed i386 architecture.. guess I should add it back
• 3702[20:22:43] <sworup182> hello everyone. in irssi my other tab is not working.
• 3703[20:22:50] <sworup182> can anyone help?
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• 3705[20:22:57] <jaggzt> sworup182, define "not working"
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• 3707[20:23:05] <jelly> jaggzt: what does 'file /path/to/the.exe' say?
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• 3710[20:23:30] <jaggzt> jhutchins, what would I need once I add i386 back?
• 3711[20:23:33] <jaggzt> jelly: PE32 executable (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS Windows, Nullsoft Installer self-extracting archive
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• 3713[20:24:00] <jelly> jaggzt: sounds like wine32 should be able to run that, unless you're hitting a bug
• 3714[20:24:12] <jaggzt> it's happened with multiple .exe's..
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• 3716[20:25:11] <sworup182> jaggzt: when we msg someone privately we will have two tabs. but in my terminal it shows only one tab. im using gnome
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• 3718[20:25:16] <jhutchins> jaggzt: Wine is not something that just works. It kindof works, sometimes, if you're lucky and get it tweaked just right.
• 3719[20:25:23] <jaggzt> I did dpkg --add-architecture i386..
• 3720[20:25:35] <jhutchins> jaggzt: It will almost certainly fail with anything that involves DRM.
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• 3722[20:25:44] <jaggzt> yeah no drm
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• 3725[20:26:35] <jhutchins> sworup182: What relase are you on? Default install of irssi?
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• 3727[20:26:56] <jhutchins> jaggzt: Your best bet is to search the name of the program + wine.
• 3728[20:27:09] <jaggzt> jhuebner, well.. maybe? This is software for viewing a security camera's DVR footage over the lan
• 3729[20:27:13] <sworup182> jhutchins: im using debian 8. installed irssi using apt-get install irssi
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• 3732[20:27:45] <greenguy> Hi again, I'm at the software selection section of my install. Do I need anything else than "standard system utilities" to host a dedicated 1.6 server? From the basic setup that is, I know I will need a few more things later on.
• 3733[20:27:55] <jmcnaught> sworup182: are you using gnome-terminal? it has default shortcuts that conflict with irssi's Alt+1,2 etc for switching windows.
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• 3735[20:28:15] <jhutchins> sworup182: irssi doesn't usually use tabs, it uses windows. You should see a display line above the text entry line, and that should show you what windows are active.
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• 3737[20:29:02] <jmcnaught> sworup182: in gnome-terminal go to Edit>Preferences, shortcuts tab, then for each of "Switch to Tab X" select the shortcut and hit <backspace> to disable it. Or use a different terminal emulator
• 3738[20:29:08] <jhutchins> sworup182: If someone queries you, it will create a new window but won't switch to it by default. You'll see a red number for that window. LeftAlt+number goes to that window, leftAlt+n cycles through.
• 3739[20:29:17] <greenguy> nvm! I don't need any of these. :)
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• 3741[20:29:44] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: handy tip.
• 3742[20:29:46] <jmcnaught> greenguy: i always select ssh server, but you can install anything later on too
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• 3745[20:30:15] <jaggzt> jhutchins, replaced-url
• 3746[20:30:28] <jaggzt> #wine is invite only.. did I say that already? :)
• 3747[20:30:34] <migmolrod> greenguy iirc, you can open later that window with "sudo tasksel"
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• 3749[20:30:40] <greycat> you want #winehq
• 3750[20:30:42] <markybob> jaggzt: it's #winehq
• 3751[20:30:45] <jaggzt> ahhhh
• 3752[20:30:46] <migmolrod> so don't worry if you forget to install something now
• 3753[20:30:49] * jaggzt gives everyone tea
• 3754[20:30:56] <greenguy> migmolrod: Ok, thanks! :)
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• 3756[20:31:00] <sworup182> jhutchins: thanks i will work on it
• 3757[20:32:03] <jhutchins> sworup182: Something a lot of folks do is run irssi in screen and just leave it up, then connect from whatever computer they're on.
• 3758[20:32:16] <greenguy> Another thing, I have not used IRC before. How do I answer someone, do I simply type their name?
• 3759[20:32:23] <jmcnaught> sworup182: in irssi you can also navigate windows with Ctrl+N and Ctrl+P (next, previous) and Alt+A (switch to window with most recent activity) if you ever cannot use alt+# (like on my n900)
• 3760[20:32:32] <migmolrod> greenguy yes
• 3761[20:32:33] <jhutchins> sworup182: This copy's running on my home desktop, I'm logged into it over ssh from work.
• 3762[20:32:41] <greycat> traditionally you type their name, then a colon and a space
• 3763[20:32:50] <greenguy> Cool
• 3764[20:32:50] <jaggzt> greenguy, yeah, you're just talking to the whole group. if you type their name it usually gets their client's attention.. it might highlight that line, flash an icon, etc.
• 3765[20:32:51] <greycat> but many clients let you tab-complete a partial name
• 3766[20:33:16] <jhutchins> greycat: If you type the beginning of their name, most clients will complete it and ad a colon, which will usually cause their name to be highlighted in their client.
• 3767[20:33:30] <jaggzt> greenguy, also, welcome to IRC. You may never leave.
• 3768[20:33:46] <greycat> but you can check out any time you like
• 3769[20:33:49] <jhutchins> greenguy: If you type too few characters, you might get the wrrong name like I just did.
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• 3771[20:33:59] <jaggzt> heh
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• 3774[20:34:32] <Dkmstr> jmcnaught and jhutchins, thanks for the help guys! It all works perfectly now :)
• 3775[20:34:45] <okee> How do I fix an error at bootup that indicates "not running dhcpcd because /etc/network/interfaces failed? I looked up interfaces with man, but not sure if I am configuring this correct.
• 3776[20:34:48] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: Congratulations - your a web admin!
• 3777[20:35:19] <jaggzt> such a good day this is!
• 3778[20:35:22] <greycat> okee: for a simple DHCP client, you should have two lines:
• 3779[20:35:22] <greycat> auto eth0
• 3780[20:35:22] <greycat> iface eth0 inet dhcp
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• 3782[20:35:42] <greycat> (This is in addition to the loopback (lo) stuff.)
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• 3787[20:36:20] <okee> greycat> for the auto I have allow-hotplug eth0
• 3788[20:36:31] <okee> greycat> Should I delete the hotplug?
• 3789[20:36:32] <greycat> I don't know why you'd be using dhcpcd, either. That's like really old and not the default DHCP client these days.
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• 3794[20:37:05] <okee> greycat> What is the default dhcpcd client?
• 3795[20:37:16] <greycat> isc-dhcp-client
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• 3805[20:39:47] <jhutchins> dhclient
• 3806[20:40:02] <okee> greycat> Should my interfaces file look like this? replaced-url
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• 3808[20:40:24] <greycat> okee: there needs to be loopback stuff in there too. You should not have removed that part.
• 3809[20:40:36] <greycat> And no, that second line is WRONG.
• 3810[20:40:49] <greycat> isc-dhcp-client is the name of the Debian PACKAGE that contains the DHCP client software.
• 3811[20:41:00] <jhutchins> Actually, both lines.
• 3812[20:41:01] <greycat> I told you the two lines I have in mine, to activate eth0
• 3813[20:41:14] <greycat> Oh, right. He utterly failed to follow ANY part of my directions.
• 3814[20:41:26] <okee> greycat> The loopback is in there. I didn't copy the whole thing replaced-url
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• 3816[20:41:48] <greycat> The lines you commented out were right. The lines you added are wrong.
• 3817[20:41:55] <jhutchins> greycat: We begin to understand why he's been having so much trouble.
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• 3819[20:42:44] <Dkmstr> Simple question - What's the command to make a directory writeable?
• 3820[20:42:52] <greycat> Dkmstr: chmod
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• 3822[20:43:11] <Dkmstr> greycat: chmod works on directories?
• 3823[20:43:15] <greycat> Yes, of course.
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• 3826[20:43:54] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: REmember it probably needs to be executable as well.
• 3827[20:44:11] <Dkmstr> I don't believe so, not for what I'm doing
• 3828[20:44:15] <cygnusx1> chmod +x
• 3829[20:44:19] <Dkmstr> Oh
• 3830[20:44:21] <Dkmstr> That makes sense
• 3831[20:44:30] <greycat> I'm almost positive that whatever you're doing, a directory needs both +x and +w permission to be 'writable'.
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• 3834[20:44:34] <Dkmstr> I always just assumed +x was a requirement XD
• 3835[20:44:37] <jhutchins> Dkmstr: You can't list files in it unless it's +x
• 3836[20:44:39] <cygnusx1> it does greycat
• 3837[20:44:51] <Dkmstr> so it's chmod +x +w <path>?
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• 3839[20:45:03] * greycat whimpers
• 3840[20:45:15] <GAM002> how to install opencl on debian?
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• 3842[20:45:17] <cygnusx1> chmod +xw
• 3843[20:45:18] <jelly> !comfort greycat
• 3844[20:45:18] <dpkg> There, there, greycat. It's OK. I'm here for you.
• 3845[20:45:25] <GAM002> i am using intel hd graphics
• 3846[20:45:35] <greycat> Dkmstr: *what* directory are you operating on, and *what* are its current permissions, and *what* are you trying to change them to?
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• 3856[20:47:24] <GAM002> how to install opencl on debian 6 ? i am using intel hd graphics
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• 3858[20:47:50] <GAM002> i mean debian jessie
• 3859[20:47:52] <GAM002> 8
• 3860[20:47:55] <teraflops> old²stable?
• 3861[20:47:57] <teraflops> ah
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• 3864[20:48:17] <GAM002> how to install opencl driver?
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• 3867[20:48:24] <jelly> GAM002: I'd start with "apt-cache search opencl"
• 3868[20:48:27] <GAM002> is it synaptic package mangaer?
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• 3870[20:48:35] <jhutchins> GAM002: Maybe opengl?
• 3871[20:48:41] <GAM002> opencl
• 3872[20:48:49] <GAM002> for intel hd graphics
• 3873[20:48:50] <Dkmstr> greycat: Current Directory /var/replaced-url
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• 3875[20:49:09] <Dkmstr> wait that's wrong
• 3876[20:49:09] <GAM002> opengl is in mesa right?
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• 3878[20:49:21] <teraflops> for intel yes
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• 3881[20:49:29] <jelly> GAM002: yes. Presumably mesa also have some sort of opencl support as well
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• 3884[20:49:54] <Dkmstr> greycat - These are the permissions for demos
• 3885[20:49:55] <Dkmstr> replaced-url
• 3886[20:49:57] <cygnusx1> i hear fgrlx or something is better....
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• 3890[20:50:16] <greycat> Your browser is not supported in Gyazo. Not all features are available in
• 3891[20:50:17] <greycat> this browser. Please use a modern browser such as Google Chrome.
• 3892[20:50:31] <greycat> Dkmstr: if you're *in* the directory, you can just do this: ls -ld .
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• 3894[20:50:40] <GAM002> my driver doesnot seem to work properly here so is there any other package for opencl on debian repos?
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• 3896[20:50:59] <DocMAX> hello, how can i remove all packages ever installed by a apt source?
• 3897[20:51:09] <DocMAX> i dont know all their names
• 3898[20:51:27] <jelly> DocMAX: not easily. You can remove the source, and then look at
• 3899[20:51:30] <jelly> !not available
• 3900[20:51:30] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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• 3904[20:51:42] <jmcnaught> Dkmstr: you probably want files in your DocumentRoot to be owned by replaced-url
• 3905[20:51:55] <DocMAX> jelly thx
• 3906[20:52:02] <Dkmstr> jmcnaught I figured it out, I forgot my -R flag
• 3907[20:52:23] <Dkmstr> jmcnaught as for the files, I'm not worrying about it, because this isn't going to be made public
• 3908[20:52:29] <jelly> DocMAX: that will also catch any other local, custom or outdated packages too
• 3909[20:53:05] <jaggzt> WOW I have a lot of i386 packages installed
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• 3912[20:53:30] <jaggzt> looks like google earth is going to fail now too.. now that I am trying to remove i386 files and architecture.. hrm
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• 3917[20:54:57] <jaggzt> it even removed audacity
• 3918[20:55:00] <TomTomTosch> that's what you get for using non-free x)
• 3919[20:55:01] <Ooze> gyazo is trash
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• 3924[20:55:44] <jaggzt> and vlc!
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• 3927[20:57:31] * jhutchins wonders what jaggzt is actually trying to accomplish...
• 3928[20:57:49] <jaggzt> just cleaning up after I finally got that .exe to run, but it doesn't display anything
• 3929[20:57:52] * DocMAX thinks jaggzt is nuts
• 3930[20:57:56] <jaggzt> getting rid of i386 support
• 3931[20:58:06] <AimHere> 64 bits good, 32 bits bad
• 3932[20:58:27] <DocMAX> luke is good, darth is bad
• 3933[20:58:32] <AimHere> Why are you doing that?
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• 3935[20:58:37] <cygnusx1> 32bit doubles the work a x64 processor must do
• 3936[20:58:39] <jaggzt> well, mixed 64 and 32 seems to induce weird problems
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• 3938[20:59:10] <TomTomTosch> why did you mix in the first place? vlc?
• 3939[20:59:46] <TomTomTosch> i'm just interested x)
• 3940[20:59:46] <testor> Hello there. I have an integrated radeon 3000, have installed the xorg radeon drivers,mesa for 3d support and firmware non-free. I'm working from the X server, so radeon drivers is working. 'glxinfo' output is: "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".", the same message for glxgears. Also 3d applications dosn't work. How can I get 3d acceleration work on radeon 3000?. I'm on Debian Stretch
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• 3949[21:01:59] <Gaming4JC> Is it possible to debootstrap from the 3 DVD isos? It would save me ages in download time...
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• 3952[21:02:37] <testor> Forgot to say, there is no xorg.conf so I guess the default options are running. Thanks :D
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• 3960[21:06:41] <okee> How do I fix an error message at bootup, that indicates can't read interfaces?
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• 3963[21:07:20] <greycat> okee: What version of Debian, what does the error say?
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• 3967[21:08:05] <okee> greycat> I am running Debian Jessie, and the error message indicates can't read interfaces; option misplaced.
• 3968[21:08:12] <jmcnaught> testor: you might get better support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, the testing/unstable channel. i think there is a new amdgpu driver that is an alternative to radeon in stretch. if it supports your card might be worth looking into
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• 3971[21:08:44] <greycat> okee: since it's jessie, the message should be available in "journalctl". Copy it.
• 3972[21:08:46] <jmcnaught> Gaming4JC: do you debootstrap frequently? i recommend apt-cacher-ng
• 3973[21:08:57] <okee> greycat> This is what is now in my interfaces. replaced-url
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• 3975[21:09:19] <testor> jmcnaught: ok, will look at it, thank you.
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• 3979[21:09:53] <Gaming4JC> jmcnaught, not too often. I've got the DVDs downloaded for use where internet will be slow, but I'd like to customize the setup myself and debootstrap seems to be the ticket
• 3980[21:10:04] <jmcnaught> okee: there are examples on this page: replaced-url
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• 3986[21:11:40] <okee> jmcnaught> I am in man interfaces but was advised that isc-dhcp-client is newer than what I was running.
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• 3989[21:12:05] <Gaming4JC> apt-cacher-ng seems like a useful program if I had the bandwith
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• 3991[21:12:27] <jmcnaught> okee: check that wiki page. the string "isc-dhcp-client" doesn't belong in /e/n/interfaces
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• 3994[21:13:23] <jmcnaught> Gaming4JC: it is pretty useful, i have it on my LAN and each package only gets downloaded from the mirrors once, the next system to use the package gets it super fast. it's also very easy to set up
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• 3996[21:15:41] <jaggzt> DocMAX, what lets you know I'm nuts?
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• 4002[21:16:39] <jhutchins> cygnusx1: Conversely, 64b can increaset the number of fetch cycles.
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• 4008[21:18:17] <okee> jhutchins> If I am using ipv6, would i leave out iface eth0 inet dhcp? replaced-url
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• 4011[21:18:46] <jhutchins> !interfaces
• 4012[21:18:47] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
• 4013[21:19:07] <jhutchins> !guide
• 4014[21:19:07] <dpkg> from memory, guide is at replaced-url
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• 4017[21:19:30] <jhutchins> Somewhere there's a Getting Started Guide...
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• 4021[21:20:08] <jhutchins> okee: THink about what that line is saying. Each term has meaning.
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• 4024[21:20:56] <glauxosdever> I did apt-get upgrade and the screen resolution is again at 1024x768 instead of 1280x800. I have the packages listed in replaced-url
• 4025[21:21:03] <glauxosdever> How do I fix it?
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• 4028[21:22:05] <glauxosdever> Also, I have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
• 4029[21:22:11] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: which Debian release are you using? does "dmesg | grep -i firmware" show any errors?
• 4030[21:22:13] <cygnusx1> glauxosdever, try opening up display and changing it there
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• 4033[21:22:41] <glauxosdever> It doesn't work.
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• 4035[21:22:57] <glauxosdever> xrandr reported that 1024x768 is the maximum resoltion.
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• 4038[21:23:40] <glauxosdever> $ dmesg | grep -i firmware
• 4039[21:23:40] <glauxosdever> [ 0.197354] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
• 4040[21:23:40] <glauxosdever> [ 0.205201] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: No _BQC method, cannot determine initial brightness
• 4041[21:23:43] <glauxosdever> [ 0.272492] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: No _BQC method, cannot determine initial brightness
• 4042[21:23:44] *** glauxosdever was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 4046[21:24:00] <glauxosdever> Yes, sorry.
• 4047[21:24:26] <glauxosdever> I though 6 lines can be pasted without a problem.
• 4048[21:24:35] <cygnusx1> oh. well then. maybe update your kernel
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• 4050[21:24:44] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: please use replaced-url
• 4051[21:24:45] <cygnusx1> oh well then. maybe update your kernel
• 4052[21:25:10] <greenguy> jaggzt: Slow answer, but thank you! Any good IRC client you recommend? I'm on the web based version right now :)
• 4053[21:25:24] <glauxosdever> replaced-url
• 4054[21:25:41] <cygnusx1> greenguy for a gui i use hexchat for a cli use weechat
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• 4057[21:25:52] <greycat> #debian's paste policy is "no more than 2 lines", but I will sometimes do 3.
• 4058[21:26:05] <greenguy> cygnusx1: Thanks!
• 4059[21:26:05] <glauxosdever> Update my kernel? I just did apt-get upgrade!
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• 4061[21:26:43] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: you didn't tell use which Debian release you're using. /var/log/Xorg.0.log will have clues, can you put that on the paste site?
• 4062[21:27:05] <glauxosdever> I'm using Jessie with MATE.
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• 4064[21:27:59] <glauxosdever> replaced-url
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• 4068[21:29:22] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: did you disable KMS with a boot parameter like nomodeset?
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• 4070[21:29:35] <glauxosdever> No.
• 4071[21:30:21] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? did you reboot after installing it and libgl1-mesa-dri ?
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• 4073[21:31:02] <glauxosdever> I have them both.
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• 4075[21:31:43] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: normally there would be a message about the firmware getting loaded (or not) in the dmesg output. did you reboot after installing them?
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• 4077[21:32:03] <glauxosdever> They were already installed before apt-get upgrade.
• 4078[21:32:34] <glauxosdever> After apt-get upgrade I rebooted, and the resolution got screwed up.
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• 4088[21:35:13] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: according to your Xorg.0.log you're not using the radeon driver, but the VESA fallback one instead. Are there any other relevant details you can provide, like did you ever have the fglrx drivers installed, are you using any non-Debian sources?
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• 4090[21:35:45] <donald> hello
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• 4092[21:35:47] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: "lspci -nn | grep -i VGA" will get you a PCI ID that we can ask the bot about.
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• 4095[21:36:11] <glauxosdever> I did them installed, but folks here suggested that I don't need them, so I installed the open source radeon drivers.
• 4096[21:36:43] <donald> I can not download with # apt-get install youtube-dl
• 4097[21:36:43] <donald> bash: apt-get : command not found
• 4098[21:36:44] <glauxosdever> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV630/M76 [Mobility Radeon HD 2600] [1002:9581]
• 4099[21:37:12] <greycat> donald: do it as root
• 4100[21:37:13] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: check in /etc/modprobe.d/ for any files that the fglrx drivers may have left behind blacklisting the radeon driver. were you using the fglrx Debian packages, or an installer script from AMD?
• 4101[21:37:31] <glauxosdever> From Debian packages.
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• 4103[21:37:52] <glauxosdever> dkms.conf fglrx-blacklists-radeon.conf open-vm-tools-dkms.conf
• 4104[21:37:54] <glauxosdever> fbdev-blacklist.conf modesetting.conf
• 4105[21:37:57] <glauxosdever> Sorry.
• 4106[21:38:04] <glauxosdever> I thought it would be one line.
• 4107[21:38:14] <okee> Do I need to modify /etc/systemd/journald.conf in order to see the log in journalctl? replaced-url
• 4108[21:38:27] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: fglrx-blacklists-radeon.conf is probably the culprit, comment out its contents or move it somewhere else
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• 4110[21:38:34] <donald> greycat I have already done it in root
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• 4112[21:39:17] <jmcnaught> okee: you need to be root, or be a member of the "adm" and/or "systemd-journal" group to read the journal with journalctl
• 4113[21:39:41] <glauxosdever> Ok, I commented it out.
• 4114[21:39:47] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: also check the other files for anything that might be disabling KMS
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• 4116[21:40:03] <donald> what is the pb?
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• 4120[21:42:31] <glauxosdever> Ok, I found some blacklist radeonfb lines.
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• 4123[21:44:09] <glauxosdever> Now what? Create new initramfs?
• 4124[21:44:13] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: i don't think radeonfb is the same as radeon, but i'm not a radeon user
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• 4127[21:45:19] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: once the radeon blacklist added by fglrx is removed you can reboot
• 4128[21:45:25] <greenguy> jmcnaught: Hi, I was told to adduser by this guide I'm followling, and I entered a new password and full name. Now its asking for room number, whats that? Hope its ok if I ask you .:)
• 4129[21:45:26] <glauxosdever> Radeonfb is the radeon driver that uses a VBE framebuffer.
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• 4131[21:45:36] <glauxosdever> Ok, I'll reboot.
• 4132[21:45:51] <simonlnu> greenguy: press enter
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• 4134[21:46:06] <jmcnaught> greenguy: it's optional information you can provide
• 4135[21:46:19] <greenguy> jmcnaught: Roger that, thx!
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• 4143[21:47:20] <simonlnu> the number of times i actually filled that out is 1. wanted to see how it would look :P
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• 4147[21:47:39] <glauxosdever> Ok, it worked!
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• 4149[21:48:38] <glauxosdever> Now to add an OpenGL system with GLX extensions.
• 4150[21:48:49] <glauxosdever> s/Now/Tomorrow/
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• 4152[21:49:12] <glauxosdever> What should I install/configure in order this to work?
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• 4155[21:49:58] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: i naively assume that you will have opengl support with the radeon driver. "glxinfo" will have information about it
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• 4159[21:51:00] <glauxosdever> replaced-url
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• 4164[21:51:40] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: i bet you still have some fglrx dependencies hanging around
• 4165[21:52:01] <glauxosdever> How do I look for them?
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• 4171[21:53:21] <towo`> glauxosdever, you could paste your x-log
• 4172[21:53:23] <greenguy> Ok, so when I log in to my new user and try to install a script it says permission denied. And when I do sudo it says unknown command. :/ hmm
• 4173[21:53:41] <greycat> sudo isn't installed by default. you'll have to become root to install it.
• 4174[21:53:51] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: do you have glx-alternative-fglrx installed? or does "aptitude search ~i~nfglrx" still list anything?
• 4175[21:53:54] <greenguy> oh ok
• 4176[21:54:18] <greenguy> aptitude install sudo?
• 4177[21:54:23] <greycat> sure, that should work
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• 4179[21:54:26] <greenguy> Ty
• 4180[21:54:44] <glauxosdever> It does list 4 packages.
• 4181[21:54:56] <glauxosdever> Prefixed with i A
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• 4184[21:55:23] <glauxosdever> Is it safe to remove them?
• 4185[21:55:26] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: use the debian paste site, we're not psychics :)
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• 4190[21:56:30] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: "i A" means installed automatically as a dependency of something else. "apt-get autoremove" might remove them if the package that pulled them in is already gone
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• 4194[21:56:45] <glauxosdever> replaced-url
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• 4196[21:57:16] <greenguy> so after installing sudo, I have to add the user again so it gets put in the sudoers file?
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• 4198[21:57:38] <greycat> greenguy: you can either use "adduser $LOGNAME sudo" or you can edit the /etc/group file by hand
• 4199[21:58:09] <towo`> glauxosdever, purge those packages
• 4200[21:58:10] <greenguy> greycat: Thank you.
• 4201[21:58:26] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: does "apt-get --purge autoremove" remove those 4?
• 4202[21:58:32] <towo`> glauxosdever, and make sure, there is no radeon blacklist anywhere in /etc/modprobe.d/foo.conf
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• 4205[21:58:47] <jmcnaught> towo`: we just handled that earlier
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• 4208[21:59:26] <glauxosdever> No.
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• 4210[22:00:11] <greenguy> greycat: "The group 'sudo' already exists".
• 4211[22:00:13] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: "aptitude why <package>" will do its best to tell you why a package is installed
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• 4213[22:00:38] <markybob> greenguy: yes. you need to add the user to that group. that's what he told you to do
• 4214[22:00:41] <greenguy> greycat: I'm sorry maybe these questions are better to ask somewhere else because they are so basic.
• 4215[22:00:47] <greycat> "If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group."
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• 4217[22:01:02] <greycat> adduser USERNAME GROUPNAME
• 4218[22:01:02] <greenguy> markybob: I did adduser $csserver sudo
• 4219[22:01:10] <greenguy> as root
• 4220[22:01:17] <greycat> $csserver is probably an unset bash variable
• 4221[22:01:26] <greycat> $LOGNAME is an actual variable with an actual value -- you.
• 4222[22:01:49] <greenguy> lol ok
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• 4230[22:04:46] <flukespook> Would anyone be game to help me trouble shoot an install? I'm trying to install via usb on a thinkpad x220. When I boot in the usb it just gives me a blank blinking cursor. I've tried with diffrent usbs and have re-DDed the drive. I'm not sure what the problem is.
• 4231[22:05:03] <greenguy> Damn it..
• 4232[22:05:11] <markybob> greenguy: log out and back in for it to take effect
• 4233[22:05:44] <jmcnaught> flukespook: you can use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" instead of dd. also make sure you target the device, not a partition on the device. the ISO hybrid image is already partitioned.
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• 4239[22:06:30] <flukespook> does it matter what the filesystem on the usb is
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• 4241[22:06:39] <flukespook> I'll try cp now
• 4242[22:06:49] <glauxosdever> OMG! GLX worked!
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• 4244[22:06:52] <greycat> cp to /dev/sdX will overwrite any file system on the device
• 4245[22:07:02] <flukespook> part of me wonders if the mbr is messed up
• 4246[22:07:03] <jmcnaught> flukespook: no, it's going to replace the filesystem. make sure you target the correct device :)
• 4247[22:07:07] <greycat> and the MBR too
• 4248[22:07:17] <flukespook> great
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• 4250[22:07:40] <jmcnaught> glauxosdever: hurray!
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• 4254[22:10:11] <flukespook> will I get a message in terminal when the copy is finished?
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• 4256[22:10:58] <markybob> flukespook: no. it'll just drop you back. then you type enter 'sync'
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• 4259[22:12:23] <jmcnaught> flukespook: i also have an x220. you will likely need non-free firmwares if you will be using wifi during the install. there is a chapter in the install manual about "missing firmwares"
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• 4261[22:13:29] <flukespook> I can plug in
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• 4263[22:13:46] <markybob> flukespook: or you can use the installer that has installers included. easier. replaced-url
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• 4265[22:14:00] <jmcnaught> flukespook: if you are not using wifi during the install, it should be enough to enable the non-free repositories when it asks you. or use that iso ^
• 4266[22:14:02] <markybob> firmware* included
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• 4268[22:14:56] <greenguy> markybob: I forgot to say ty, its working.
• 4269[22:15:11] <markybob> greenguy: great. you're welcome
• 4270[22:15:25] <dontknow> stop suggesting non free cd image to people
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• 4279[22:16:58] <dontknow> jelly, ban markybob
• 4280[22:17:18] <simonlnu> dontknow: why shouldn't he? if the other person needs the firmware, why deny him?
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• 4283[22:17:30] <simonlnu> dontknow: that doesn't warrant banning
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• 4286[22:18:43] <dontknow> simonlnu, it is unofficial image and doesn't met with debian policy
• 4287[22:18:48] <jmcnaught> dontknow: there's actually a link to that firmware ISO in the install manual you know
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• 4289[22:19:14] <simonlnu> dontknow: ...
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• 4291[22:19:22] <r6ku> ever heard this one? "I installed debian and my wireless doesn't work :("
• 4292[22:19:34] <simonlnu> *plonk*
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• 4296[22:20:27] <greenguy> Can some non-free repositories have stolen code in them? Sorry I'm just curious.
• 4297[22:20:44] <simonlnu> no
• 4298[22:20:59] <TomTomTosch> so dontknow only coming on here to convince the mods to ban markybob?
• 4299[22:21:19] <TomTomTosch> well, possibly. who knows.
• 4300[22:21:20] <markybob> i've had him on /ignore for a long time so i don't even know what's going on. fun though.
• 4301[22:21:32] <dontknow> TomTomTosch, shut up man
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• 4303[22:21:43] <simonlnu> i just added him
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• 4305[22:21:57] <dontknow> simonlnu, ^^
• 4306[22:22:21] <Tin_man> r6ku, probably a broadcom wifi, tons of digging to do..
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• 4308[22:22:26] <jmcnaught> greenguy: non-free in Debian means it doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines: replaced-url
• 4309[22:22:30] <dontknow> that guy always suggests unofficial image
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• 4314[22:23:28] <dontknow> greenguy, you should choose your hardware wisely next time
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• 4317[22:23:52] <greenguy> dontknow: I'm sorry what?
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• 4320[22:24:34] * mtn always uses the unofficial image. that way the wifi works
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• 4322[22:24:43] <dontknow> greenguy, buy a hardware that works with default debian
• 4323[22:25:01] <dontknow> "official way"
• 4324[22:25:06] <jmcnaught> dontknow: greenguy is not the person who was told about the firmware images
• 4325[22:25:13] <dontknow> xD
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• 4327[22:25:16] <dontknow> sorry
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• 4390[22:25:49] <jmcnaught> to be far, loading the missing firmwares during the install is pretty easy. but the unoffical iso is convenient esepcially for newcomers
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• 4404[22:26:15] <flukespook> same deal after cp, when I try to boot the usb is going to a blank screen with cursor
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• 4435[22:26:33] <markybob> flukespook: are you using secure boot?
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• 4447[22:26:52] <jmcnaught> flukespook: also which iso did you use?
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• 4450[22:26:56] <simonlnu> or when you've misplaced your extra usb keys :P
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• 4473[22:28:27] <flukespook> is something wrong with my grub?
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• 4476[22:28:45] <flukespook> I don't have secure boot
• 4477[22:28:51] <markybob> flukespook: is this after install?
• 4478[22:28:54] <jmcnaught> flukespook: is it the installer that does not boot, or the new system after you installed?
• 4479[22:28:59] <flukespook> I have tried with multiple isos
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• 4481[22:29:03] <flukespook> netist
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• 4484[22:29:09] <flukespook> normal jessie
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• 4486[22:29:13] <flukespook> semplice
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• 4493[22:29:27] <flukespook> I dont beleive the isos are the issue
• 4494[22:29:41] <markybob> flukespook: so this is after install?
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• 4497[22:30:45] <flukespook> I cant
• 4498[22:31:06] <flukespook> when I try to to install it doesnt get to the installer
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• 4500[22:31:20] <flukespook> I get to a black screen with a cursor
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• 4502[22:31:40] <markybob> flukespook: does your bios support legacy instead of uefi?
• 4503[22:31:56] <simonlnu> ok, so you're not booting the right device; try selecting the boot device from your BIOS menu
• 4504[22:32:07] <flukespook> yes
• 4505[22:32:12] <simonlnu> "BIOS" rather
• 4506[22:32:18] <jmcnaught> flukespook: i don't remember the specific terms in the BIOS/UEFI pre-boot setup, but i completely disabled legacy/bios support on my x220 before installing. also note that some isos don't support UEFI, like livecds and mini.iso
• 4507[22:32:18] <markybob> flukespook: you should try that
• 4508[22:32:25] <flukespook> I only have one divice in
• 4509[22:32:41] <flukespook> It says the brand of the usb
• 4510[22:32:44] <flukespook> it's correct
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• 4512[22:33:27] <simonlnu> either that, or you need to re-do the "burn" to the usb device
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• 4514[22:33:36] <markybob> i'd try legacy first
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• 4516[22:33:40] <flukespook> I've done it liek 20 times
• 4517[22:33:46] <simonlnu> yeah. ok
• 4518[22:34:04] <simonlnu> netinst does UEFI, right?
• 4519[22:34:13] <flukespook> I was thinking about trying pxe
• 4520[22:34:14] <markybob> yeah but it doesn't *always* work
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• 4523[22:34:38] <simonlnu> ah ok
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• 4529[22:36:29] <simonlnu> me i'd fetch a full blown iso, write that to usb, boot from that, enjoy uefi
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• 4531[22:36:44] <flukespook> I've installed linux on this before
• 4532[22:37:05] <jmcnaught> flukespook: the netinst iso supports UEFI. currently the PXE netboot/mini.iso does not support UEFI
• 4533[22:37:39] <dontknow> flukespook, have you tried debian live cds?
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• 4537[22:40:45] <flukespook> I have legacy boot enabled
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• 4539[22:40:54] <flukespook> there is no cd drive
• 4540[22:41:09] <flukespook> I don't have a dock
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• 4542[22:41:22] <simonlnu> don't need one
• 4543[22:41:34] <flukespook> have any of you done pxe installs before?
• 4544[22:41:44] <jmcnaught> flukespook: try a different usb stick? did you ever tell us specifically which ISO you're using.
• 4545[22:41:58] <jmcnaught> flukespook: PXE installs are not that hard, but you won't get UEFI support if that's what you want
• 4546[22:42:02] <flukespook> I have tried all that I have
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• 4548[22:42:23] <flukespook> It works with legacy boot too
• 4549[22:42:28] <flukespook> I have it turned on
• 4550[22:42:43] * simonlnu had to do a one man pony show to get BIOS/legacy to GPT/UEFI on this thing, without losing data
• 4551[22:42:43] <jmcnaught> flukespook: does your USB stick boot a different computer into the installer?
• 4552[22:43:01] <simonlnu> oops, flipped those acronyms
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• 4554[22:43:06] <flukespook> if you have a suggestion for a specific iso I can get it
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• 4558[22:44:05] <simonlnu> flukespook: personally i got the 640 or whatever MB iso; that way i was sure to get all i needed, except the firmware, which i cp'ed over from another filesystem
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• 4561[22:46:06] <jmcnaught> flukespook: on my x220 i used the unofficial firmware including iso (/msg dpkg firmware images). I had disabled legacy boot support. Everything just worked for me
• 4562[22:46:06] <simonlnu> any blobs you need just need to be in /lib/firmware (or /target/lib/firmware on the target, obviously)
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• 4565[22:46:37] * simonlnu couldn't disable legacy, just switch to UEFI
• 4566[22:47:02] <simonlnu> earlier implementation of UEFI...
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• 4568[22:47:56] <nilekada> Got this error: replaced-url
• 4569[22:48:26] <nilekada> Tried deleting lists in /var/lib/apt but the issue repeats itself
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• 4571[22:48:46] <nilekada> Any suggestions would be helpful
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• 4574[22:49:15] <mtn> nilekada: change mirrors?
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• 4577[22:50:46] <stew> hmm, I suddenly seem to have packages failing to install with "no space left on device" when there is clearly 10s of gigs of space left. Anyone have ideas why that might be?
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• 4580[22:51:20] <mtn> stew: look at df -h
• 4581[22:51:31] <mtn> stew: how much room in /?
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• 4583[22:52:12] <nilekada> mtn: Will do
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• 4586[22:52:31] <Lehnux> hi guys
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• 4589[22:53:23] <Lehnux> You have got anything to work on? I'd like to help
• 4590[22:53:25] <Lehnux> ?
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• 4593[22:53:56] <cygnusx1> lehnux you can just hang out and try to help people who post issues
• 4594[22:54:18] <cygnusx1> assuming you are proficient with linux...
• 4595[22:54:25] <Lehnux> I will do =)
• 4596[22:54:25] <Fox682> anyone try to install VLMC on debian yet with good success?
• 4597[22:54:59] <Fox682> I'd be classified as a "dangerous superuser" but not quite "proficient" yet, otherwise I'd help lol.
• 4598[22:55:32] <cygnusx1> im probably the same, i still try to help though
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• 4600[22:55:43] <Fox682> I'm that dude whos learning an has a bunch of VMs trying set stuff up all the time lol
• 4601[22:55:58] <vervet> Fox682: rm -rf / dangerous? lol
• 4602[22:56:09] <cygnusx1> and as far as vlmc there is source for linux builds so i assume it will work just fine
• 4603[22:56:11] <Lehnux> I try to help with my limited knowledge, I usually follow tutorials, read on my spare time
• 4604[22:56:27] <jmcnaught> vervet: please don't even mention that command as joke in here, innocent users who don't know better might try it
• 4605[22:56:28] <Lehnux> Read the most recurrent issues
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• 4607[22:56:57] <Lehnux> vervet: It's wuite dangerous especially for newbies
• 4608[22:56:58] <cygnusx1> when i give advice 90% the time i have a tutorial open in my browser, i cant remember all this stuff
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• 4611[22:57:54] <Lehnux> cygnusx1: The same
• 4612[22:58:14] <Lehnux> But I try hard to learn something in the end
• 4613[22:58:17] <cygnusx1> but for issues i dont have experience with i try to keep quiet
• 4614[22:58:23] <vervet> so you've heard it #debian, never do the unspeakable
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• 4616[22:59:02] <cygnusx1> the point is newer users may run those commands because they see them posted in help
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• 4618[22:59:34] <Lehnux> I usually make the user notice that I'm not the most experienced with the issue but I'm always willing to help
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• 4620[23:00:29] <nilekada> mtn: I've got this instead replaced-url
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• 4622[23:00:52] <nilekada> Ran apt-get update and it repeated itself
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• 4624[23:01:02] <Lehnux> I'm actually having a lot of issues installing an Acer Aspire V17 Nitro Black Edition
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• 4626[23:01:11] <Lehnux> Issues with the nouveau driver
• 4627[23:01:19] <mtn> nilekada: sorry, no idea
• 4628[23:01:21] <Lehnux> The Wi-Fi module not being found
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• 4630[23:01:30] <Lehnux> Segfaults
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• 4633[23:01:49] <Lehnux> I'll try to sort it out
• 4634[23:01:52] <nilekada> mtn: Is it alright if I proceed with a dist-upgrade?
• 4635[23:02:02] <nilekada> Is that a fatal-ish error?
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• 4639[23:02:25] <jmcnaught> nilekada: "/msg dpkg bat" for some troubleshooting info we can use to help you
• 4640[23:02:42] <mtn> nilekada: not sure. dist-upgrade to what? what version is this?
• 4641[23:02:53] <nilekada> wheezy
• 4642[23:02:58] <jmcnaught> nilekada: i would definitely try to resolve that before doing a dist-upgrade. are you upgrading from wheezy to jessie or something?
• 4643[23:03:02] <cygnusx1> i avoided noveau and went with the proprietary nvidia driver. works like a charm
• 4644[23:03:06] <mtn> nilekada: so why a dist-upgrade?
• 4645[23:03:12] <nilekada> wheezy to testing jmcnaught
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• 4647[23:03:18] <markybob> oh no
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• 4649[23:03:24] <mtn> nilekada: ah. better fix things first
• 4650[23:03:26] <Lehnux> Be careful
• 4651[23:03:35] <Lehnux> And think twice before dist-upgrade
• 4652[23:03:46] <Lehnux> It's what I know about it
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• 4654[23:03:59] <markybob> nilekada: you can't jump releases. you have to go to jessie first. then testing. if you're a little crazy
• 4655[23:04:07] <jmcnaught> nilekada: why would you do that? jessie is newer than wheezy, and it stable.
• 4656[23:04:14] <cygnusx1> i always see dist-upgrade breaking systems. i would never do it on my pc...
• 4657[23:04:41] <nilekada> jmcnaught: I just thought jessie was too stable for me :P
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• 4660[23:05:02] <cygnusx1> i hesitate to even upgrade my kernel. i mean there isnt a point if everything already works
• 4661[23:05:08] <nilekada> markybob: didn't know that. Will start with jessie then
• 4662[23:05:16] <jmcnaught> cygnusx1: dist-upgrade has a time and place.
• 4663[23:05:24] <Lehnux> KErnel is another thing in my opinion
• 4664[23:05:28] <cygnusx1> i am sure it does
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• 4666[23:06:11] <jmcnaught> nilekada: i would fix your current problem first. "/msg dpkg bat" if you want us to help. then definitely read the jessie release notes, especially chapter 4 which has the instructions.
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• 4669[23:07:10] <nilekada> jmcnaught: beginning to fill it out
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• 4674[23:08:31] <greenguy> I have a question, and I'm not sure how to ask it. I'm trying to edit a config file for my cs server. I have only used GUI based linux before so I'm not used to editing folders and files using text. I have used google to try and find the directory of the file when the server tool is installed on linux, but I cant find it.
• 4675[23:08:52] <Lehnux> ls -lh ?
• 4676[23:08:53] <cygnusx1> whats the name of it?
• 4677[23:08:57] <greenguy> server.cfg
• 4678[23:09:04] <Lehnux> It's location?
• 4679[23:09:04] <cygnusx1> type this
• 4680[23:09:10] <cygnusx1> which server.cfg
• 4681[23:09:12] <greenguy> not sure
• 4682[23:09:12] <stew> mtn: 10 gigs in /
• 4683[23:09:33] <cygnusx1> user@pc~$which server.cfg
• 4684[23:09:36] <nilekada> jmcnaught: here's output for 1: replaced-url
• 4685[23:09:47] <mtn> stew: then should not be getting out of space errors if installing one package
• 4686[23:09:57] <stew> yes, I know, that's why I'm here :)
• 4687[23:10:06] <markybob> nilekada: yeah you messed that up big time
• 4688[23:10:16] <markybob> nilekada: mixing testing with wheezy like that will break things
• 4689[23:10:21] <mtn> stew: paste your entire command and error to dpaste.com and give us the link
• 4690[23:10:37] <mtn> stew: also paste the output of df -h
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• 4692[23:11:03] <greenguy> cygnusx1: I tried which server.cfg as root, nothing happened.
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• 4695[23:11:22] <cygnusx1> greenguy then its called something else
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• 4697[23:11:40] <jmcnaught> greenguy: or the file doesn't exist yet?
• 4698[23:11:51] <greenguy> cygnusx1: I see, maybe its different on linux. Damn it, there is no guide to configuring, just start/stop.
• 4699[23:12:03] <cygnusx1> have you tried man?
• 4700[23:12:07] <cygnusx1> man is manual
• 4701[23:12:14] <cygnusx1> and every command has a man
• 4702[23:12:19] <cygnusx1> usually
• 4703[23:12:36] <cygnusx1> or the --help flag
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• 4705[23:13:24] <greenguy> jmcnaught: It should exist, I have the server up and running, and I can change values in the console as its running. But when I restart is gets set to default. In windows that is all configured in server.cfg
• 4706[23:13:37] <greenguy> jmcnaught: probably a different name.
• 4707[23:14:03] <nilekada> jmcnaught: here is output for 3: replaced-url
• 4708[23:14:39] <greenguy> I'm sorry this has very little to do with linux/debian, but I'm trying to learn by doing something.
• 4709[23:14:46] <jmcnaught> greenguy: or you're not looking in the correct place.
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• 4712[23:15:10] <jmcnaught> nilekada: thanks :) how about the output of "apt-get policy" (without a package listed)
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• 4714[23:15:18] <nilekada> markybob: seems so. I guess I'll have to edit sources.list and do cleanup
• 4715[23:15:44] <cygnusx1> whats the command you run it with....this server, greenguy?
• 4716[23:16:11] <jmcnaught> nilekada: have you installed or upgraded any packages since you added testing to your sources.list?
• 4717[23:16:28] <nilekada> jmcnaught: says invalid operation policy
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• 4720[23:17:00] <greenguy> jmcnaught: Valves guide to installing steamcmd told me to create a directory called ~/steamcmd, but then I used wget replaced-url
• 4721[23:17:02] <nilekada> jmcnaught: nope. Just started right now. Haven't installed anything as yet
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• 4723[23:17:14] <greenguy> cygnusx1: ./csserver start
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• 4727[23:17:30] <cygnusx1> have you tried: which csserver
• 4728[23:17:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> nilekada, apt-cache policy, not apt-get policy
• 4729[23:17:41] <cygnusx1> then look into that directory for the cfg?
• 4730[23:18:09] <jmcnaught> nilekada: that's good. remove all the references to testing from your sources.list
• 4731[23:18:26] <jmcnaught> nilekada: oh and sorry for the mistake with "apt-get policy". time for coffee!
• 4732[23:18:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> greenguy, so... you search a file. you don't know where it is. you don't know what it is called, you only know what it is called under windows, which may be different. and we are supposed to tell you
• 4733[23:18:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> did I summarize that roughly correctly?
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• 4738[23:19:19] <stew> mtn: replaced-url
• 4739[23:19:22] <greenguy> CutMeOwnThroat: Pretty much, I'm looking for a way to view files i guess. Sorry..
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• 4741[23:19:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> greenguy, how did you get it installed
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• 4743[23:20:09] <greenguy> cygnusx1: which ./csserver gave me no output. cd /steamcmd "no such file or directory"
• 4744[23:20:22] <mtn> stew: where is the out of space error? I dont' see it
• 4745[23:20:27] <greenguy> CutMeOwnThroat: I used this tool: replaced-url
• 4746[23:20:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> greenguy, forget about which, which is only for program files, that you can run as a command
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• 4748[23:20:55] <Lehnux> the find command?
• 4749[23:20:58] <cygnusx1> dont put ./ greenguy
• 4750[23:21:20] <dimitry7> hey guys, my server is in the cloud, i need to transfer an ISO that is 10G size, doing ssh is gonna take hours, any other option?
• 4751[23:21:21] <cygnusx1> csserver is a file that runs as a command
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• 4753[23:21:33] <Lehnux> dimitry7: rysnc
• 4754[23:21:40] <jmcnaught> stew: are you using a proxy for apt like apt-cacher-ng?
• 4755[23:21:43] <somiaj> rsync is just going to go over ssh most likely.
• 4756[23:21:51] <stew> mtn "Err:61 replaced-url
• 4757[23:21:52] <greenguy> cygnusx1: No output
• 4758[23:21:57] <stew> jmcnaught: no
• 4759[23:21:57] <cygnusx1> ah
• 4760[23:22:03] <nilekada> jmcnaught: here you go replaced-url
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• 4762[23:22:07] <somiaj> dimitry7: ssh's overhead won't make it drastically longer than just copying the file over non-encrypted means.
• 4763[23:22:08] <cygnusx1> well it may not be installed correctly greenguy
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• 4765[23:22:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> Lehnux, in principle yes, but find won't help much if he isn't sure what it is called
• 4766[23:22:14] <stew> jmcnaught: but this seems to actually have nothing to do with apt, i seem to have trouble just creating files
• 4767[23:22:14] <dimitry7> Lehnux, yeah im doing rsync it's going 1.16 MB/s
• 4768[23:22:21] <cygnusx1> have you considered doing a standard install?
• 4769[23:22:37] <markybob> stew: it told you the problem. your partition is full
• 4770[23:22:40] <dimitry7> somiaj, i was thinking about uploading it to google and then download it
• 4771[23:22:44] <dimitry7> that'd be faster i guess
• 4772[23:22:46] <greenguy> Wait a minute, I missed this section.
• 4773[23:22:46] <stew> markybob: did you see the output of df -h?
• 4774[23:22:57] <jmcnaught> nilekada: so you need to switch everyhing in sources.list back from testing to wheezy (if that's what you're currently on). then do apt-get update
• 4775[23:22:58] <stew> markybob: df thinks I have 10 gigs remaining
• 4776[23:23:00] <Lehnux> CutMEOwnThroat: I'm not sure of any other solutions
• 4777[23:23:06] <somiaj> dimitry7: not really, that sounds like it would be slower in the long run, it is most likely the upload speed of your internet slowing you down.
• 4778[23:23:08] <dimitry7> although google wouldn't accept a file that size :S
• 4779[23:23:11] <jmcnaught> nilekada: then follow the instructions in the jessie release notes to upgrade to debian 8
• 4780[23:23:14] <somiaj> dimitry7: do you think uploading to google is that much faster?
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• 4783[23:23:36] <mtn> stew: since this is stretch, you should try #debian-next on oftc.net
• 4784[23:23:39] <Lehnux> dimitry7: scp maybe?
• 4785[23:23:40] <dimitry7> yeah I have uploaded files of 100Mb in seconds
• 4786[23:23:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> Lehnux, right :) I hoped there was some docu or something. but this is a tool with its own type of packaging system or something
• 4787[23:23:51] <dimitry7> Lehnux, yeah
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• 4790[23:24:43] <nilekada> jmcnaught: I've switched them to jessie
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• 4793[23:25:05] <greenguy> There we go, I did not see the details command. I did ./csserver detailes and it portrayed the folder for all config files. :)
• 4794[23:25:07] <stew> hmm, I can't even touch files on /tmp
• 4795[23:25:10] <jmcnaught> stew: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the best place for stretch support. did you try "df -i" to see if you've run out of inodes?
• 4796[23:25:28] <stew> ahh, crap it is inodes
• 4797[23:25:30] <stew> jmcnaught: thanks
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• 4799[23:25:53] <cygnusx1> good job greenguy
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• 4801[23:26:32] <greenguy> cygnusx1: Haha, thanks.. I did look, but not close enough. :)
• 4802[23:26:34] <jmcnaught> nilekada: okay.. i still recommend at least pretending to read the upgrade instructions in the release notes. it's always easier/less time to read the docs first than to spend a few hours recovering from a problem you could have prevented. good luck :)
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• 4804[23:26:44] <jmcnaught> stew: cheers
• 4805[23:26:52] <cygnusx1> patience is a virtue my man ;)
• 4806[23:27:16] <nilekada> jmcnaught: don't worry I've switched them back now
• 4807[23:27:21] <stew> man, i've never run out of inodes before, wonder what the culprit is
• 4808[23:27:24] <greenguy> cygnusx1: So, now that I know the location: So. /home/csserver/serverfiles/cstrike/cfg/cs-server.cfg. Any way to edit it from text based debian? :)
• 4809[23:27:25] <nilekada> Will do as advised
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• 4811[23:27:33] <cygnusx1> yes
• 4812[23:27:36] <stew> i'm going to guess docker is the culprit
• 4813[23:27:40] <Lehnux> dimitry/: YOu got a solution working better for you?
• 4814[23:27:46] <Lehnux> *dimitry7:
• 4815[23:27:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> jmcnaught, oh, good one. maybe obvious in retrospect... but I don't think I would have guessed on running out of inodes for quite some time more :)
• 4816[23:28:03] <cygnusx1> nano /home/csserver/serverfiles/cstrike/cfg/cs-server.cfg
• 4817[23:28:07] <cygnusx1> or
• 4818[23:28:15] <cygnusx1> gedit /home/csserver/serverfiles/cstrike/cfg/cs-server.cfg
• 4819[23:28:26] <cygnusx1> depending on what txt editor is present
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• 4821[23:28:46] <cygnusx1> you could try vi but that would be a pain if you dont know how to use vim
• 4822[23:28:52] <greenguy> cygnusx1: I did not pick any of the packages when I installed, not the system utilities eather
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• 4824[23:29:02] <cygnusx1> then nano is there
• 4825[23:29:08] <greenguy> ok!
• 4826[23:29:15] <cygnusx1> debian 8 right?
• 4827[23:29:18] <greenguy> yes
• 4828[23:29:22] <cygnusx1> yes nano
• 4829[23:29:28] <greenguy> coolio, thanks bud! :)
• 4830[23:29:30] <jmcnaught> nilekada: upgrades are easy, and once you've read one set up release notes you can pretty much just skim them to see if there's anything new to watch out for
• 4831[23:29:35] <cygnusx1> if its a system file you may need to use sudo
• 4832[23:29:39] <cygnusx1> you're welcome
• 4833[23:29:41] <insidious> package manager sucks
• 4834[23:29:42] <insidious> :P
• 4835[23:29:48] <Lehnux> To use vim I do this in order "vim pathtofile" then I press "i" I edit the text like in any texte editor then I press "Esc" then ":wq" and it's done
• 4836[23:29:50] <dimitry7> Lehnux, no, I think i'll have to wait :S
• 4837[23:29:54] <cygnusx1> which one insidious ?
• 4838[23:29:59] <dimitry7> copying it with rsync
• 4839[23:29:59] <insidious> Debian 8
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• 4841[23:30:21] <Lehnux> dimitry7: You can use some compression options if I remember good
• 4842[23:30:23] <okee> Where is a good place to put other OS? media? Or home?
• 4843[23:30:32] <okee> Or does it matter?
• 4844[23:30:33] <Lehnux> It may be slower at startup but faster in the end
• 4845[23:30:38] <cygnusx1> okee on another partition
• 4846[23:30:47] <stew> yeah, looks like I had like 2 million inodes tied up in unused old docker images
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• 4849[23:31:14] <dimitry7> Lehnux, oh yes, -z
• 4850[23:31:18] <okee> cygnusx1> These are other drives that are on another petition, but I am not able to view them in 'home' directory.
• 4851[23:31:20] <dimitry7> thanls :)
• 4852[23:31:22] <dimitry7> thanks!
• 4853[23:31:41] <cygnusx1> okee they arent in the home directory
• 4854[23:31:49] <cygnusx1> they are on different partitions
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• 4856[23:32:08] <cygnusx1> /home/ only has configs and user files
• 4857[23:32:29] <okee> cygnusx1> So where is a good place to put the access point to these other drives/partitions?
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• 4859[23:33:06] <okee> cygnusx1> I want to be able to view them in Debian.
• 4860[23:33:10] <cygnusx1> okee are you mounting them?
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• 4862[23:33:18] <fishxz> anything i can do about poor wifi on linux? by poor i mean random ping spikes all the times. my wifi card is a Qualcomm Atheros AR93xx.
• 4863[23:33:24] <okee> cygnusx1> yes
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• 4865[23:33:57] <cygnusx1> anywhere. make a new folder in /home called files
• 4866[23:34:10] <cygnusx1> mkdir /home/files
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• 4868[23:34:20] <cygnusx1> then mount them there
• 4869[23:34:45] <cygnusx1> if you want them to mount on boot you will need to edit /etc/fstab
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• 4872[23:35:15] <nilekada> jmcnaught: last question: if I'm doing the dist-upgrade, how do I get the software availed on the DVDs? Is there a list of them that I can look at?
• 4873[23:35:21] <jmcnaught> okee: i would probably mount them in /media myself.
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• 4877[23:35:37] <okee> cygnusx1> I have some type of problem going on, and not able to figure out. The folders for the other drives disappeared in home after upgrading to Debian Jessie. NTFS-3G is installed. Only Centos shows up, but even then I had to fsck it after umounting. The file system isn't showing up there.
• 4878[23:35:46] <nilekada> I want my install to be as full as possible. If that makes any sense
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• 4881[23:36:42] <jmcnaught> nilekada: if you have jessie DVDs i think it's "apt-cdrom" that helps add/remove them from sources.list. By full as possible do you mean "install every single thing"?
• 4882[23:36:49] <okee> cygnusx1> I have viewed all the directories successfully in Centos, which is dual booted on here. However, I noticed that not only were the other drives showing up, but the folders were showing up separately in Debian, instead of as a separate drive. Something is wrong with the path, and not sure I understand it.
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• 4886[23:37:37] <cygnusx1> i dont understand either but it seems that your mbr may have become corrupt.
• 4887[23:37:37] <okee> cygnusx1> File System folders isn't showing up after the upgrade as well.
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• 4893[23:38:44] <cygnusx1> as far as fixing it what i would do is recover all i could and then wipe the disk completely. zero it even. and then write a new partition table and do a fresh install
• 4894[23:39:43] <jmcnaught> okee: can you still boot into that Centos install? Are the files okay when you're in Centos? No need to zero/purge/fsck anytihng if Centos can read its own files
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• 4898[23:41:24] <okee> jmcnaught> I can boot into Centos with no problem, and all files and drives are viewable. However, the remapping of the missing drives is showing up as empty folders in Debian, while the actual drive I am looking for is showing up in Centos's Home directory. So there seems to be something wrong with the way I am mapping the drives to their correct location.
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• 4904[23:43:22] <okee> jmcnaught> I have carefully gone over the syslog files, and the ERDY and I/O errors are only for the floppy and the Zip 50. All other drives have not produced errors, so I am reluctant to believe it is a hardware problem. It is possible to have defective memory, since I was forced to reboot a few times, when selecting a file on the desktop, and once while selecting the file system in the home directory. Defective memory will do that.
• 4905[23:43:22] <okee> However, I am having trouble viewing memtest86+ that I copied to the desktop, but it shows up on the desktop in Debian when viewing it in Centos.
• 4906[23:43:24] <jmcnaught> okee: yup. do you know the device that centos /home is on?
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• 4915[23:44:32] <okee> jmcnaught> sdb2
• 4916[23:44:33] <jmcnaught> okee: i tend to agree, if centos can use its filesystems, i doubt it's a hardware problem. you just need to figure out how to mount them in Debian properly
• 4917[23:44:44] <simonlnu> yeah
• 4918[23:44:48] <jmcnaught> okee: and is there anything special about /dev/sdb2? like is it encrypted?
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• 4928[23:47:21] <RoyK> replaced-url
• 4929[23:47:42] <nilekada> jmcnaught: well kinda
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• 4932[23:48:47] <jmcnaught> nilekada: personally i would just let apt-get download the packages from the internet. it will end up using less bandwidth than if you download all the DVDs
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• 4934[23:49:04] <nilekada> jmcnaught: cool
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• 4936[23:49:18] <Lehnux> jmcnaught: I think you're right
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• 4939[23:50:01] <simonlnu> be alot less of a PITA too
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• 4941[23:50:06] <simonlnu> a lot*
• 4942[23:50:19] <nilekada> By the way is there anyone well versed with KDE4? I seem to have misplaced my terminal :P
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• 4944[23:50:28] <simonlnu> konsole
• 4945[23:50:35] <nilekada> Thank you all for your help and input
• 4946[23:50:38] <jmcnaught> nilekada: alt+f2 probably lets you run stuff
• 4947[23:50:42] <okee> jmcnaught> Nothing special about sdb2. It too was initially toasted after the upgrade, like all the other files in the home directory. I did fsck it after umounting, and it came back, but it was visible, while the other ones weren't.
• 4948[23:51:23] <nilekada> no, I was running both the terminal and Iceweasel. Now they've disappeared
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• 4950[23:51:30] <jmcnaught> okee: i would let each distro/OS hand the fsck for its own partitions. Let Centos repair its partitions, let Debian repair its own etc.
• 4951[23:51:38] <jmcnaught> nilekada: Alt+Tab doesn't find them?
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• 4953[23:51:47] <nilekada> Nope
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• 4957[23:51:55] <okee> jmcnaught> The path for centos is /media/asd/ CentOS-6.4-x86
• 4958[23:52:19] <bubba> Why doesn
• 4959[23:52:24] <greenguy> cygnusx1: Are you still around? :)
• 4960[23:52:25] <okee> jmcnaught> How do you mean?
• 4961[23:52:31] <cygnusx1> yes
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• 4964[23:52:36] <jmcnaught> nilekada: maybe gremlins stole them?
• 4965[23:52:37] <cygnusx1> whats up greenguy
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• 4967[23:53:05] <simonlnu> teehee
• 4968[23:53:12] <bubba> Why doesn't GParted show up when I search for it in the synaptic packet manager???
• 4969[23:53:22] <cygnusx1> dont use caps bubba
• 4970[23:53:26] <nilekada> And the current iteration of Iceweasel is acting as though the other session I was using hasn't closed
• 4971[23:53:39] <cygnusx1> just type gparted
• 4972[23:53:46] <nilekada> No option to restore previous session
• 4973[23:53:51] <jmcnaught> okee: if there is a problem with the centos filesystem, it will get corrected while centos is booting. i noticed this past week people getting you to do fsck on the centos drive, it was probably unnecessary, and better to let centos take care of its own filesystem
• 4974[23:53:51] <simonlnu> libc upgrade for testing fyi
• 4975[23:54:04] <simonlnu> 2.21 -> 2.22
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• 4978[23:54:24] <simonlnu> (wrong channel, sorry)
• 4979[23:54:32] <nilekada> jmcnaught: hehe well I wouldn't be worried except that a dist-upgrade is running and I can't see its progress or anything.
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• 4981[23:54:34] <jmcnaught> nilekada: is this while your wheezy->jessie upgrade is in progress?
• 4982[23:54:43] <nilekada> yeah
• 4983[23:54:47] <jmcnaught> nilekada: you didn't run it in a screen session?
• 4984[23:54:54] <nilekada> nope
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• 4986[23:54:58] <simonlnu> i was about to say that ;)
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• 4989[23:55:08] <cygnusx1> whats up greenguy?
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• 4991[23:55:30] <jmcnaught> nilekada: this is why i suggested reading the release notes instructions, stuff like this :/
• 4992[23:55:44] <greenguy> cygnusx1: I changed the file the way I wanted to, and saved it. But the server still runs with the default settings. I double checked that I saved it and everything. So I tried looking at the details again, and under csserver script details where I also found the directory, it says: Update on start: Off, and "Service name: cs-server"
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• 4994[23:55:57] <jmcnaught> nilekada: in KDE i don't know how to find a window that has disappeared
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• 4996[23:56:05] <nilekada> Jeez. Should I kill it and start afresh? jmcnaught
• 4997[23:56:07] <cygnusx1> change it to on
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• 5001[23:56:34] <greenguy> cygnusx1: lol ofc, but.. hmm hold on mate
• 5002[23:56:53] <cygnusx1> k
• 5003[23:56:57] <jmcnaught> nilekada: i wouldn't kill it, but if it's still in the downloading packages phase it's propbably safe.
• 5004[23:57:16] <nilekada> Well it is.
• 5005[23:57:25] <nilekada> Let me try that and start afresh
• 5006[23:57:42] <jmcnaught> nilekada: run it inside screen this time
• 5007[23:57:42] <nilekada> And use screen :P
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• 5009[23:58:34] <greenguy> cygnusx1: Yeah I pretty much don't know how to change that. Atleast I know the service name :D
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• 5011[23:58:46] <cygnusx1> lol i dont either
• 5012[23:58:49] <nilekada> jmcnaught: got them back
• 5013[23:59:03] <nilekada> Apparently I'd put them in icons.
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• 5015[23:59:36] <jmcnaught> nilekada: i never put stuff in icons, can never find them again :P
• 5016[23:59:44] <greenguy> cygnusx1: Ok, I watched a basic linux tutorial last week and he talked about services I thought maybe I could type the service name and access it somehow. Thx anyways :)
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