• 0[00:01:31] <genr8_> at least with Intel you have them committed to coding their own patches in so all the little quirks work properly
• 1[00:02:56] <genr8_> so I avoid laptops entirely. its a terrible landscape and if you throw a dart at a dartboard based on what your eyes think on first glance, it will richochet and end up hitting you in the butt once you actually go to use it in linux
• 2[00:05:02] <genr8_> you want to buy specific models with known history of being supported, not the newest toy on the market
• 3[00:05:22] <genr8_> theres probably a linux laptop development tracker to find out what specific models are good, but idk it.
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• 7[00:10:17] <jaysbnc> genr8_: are you sure about the security?
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• 9[00:10:53] <genr8_> are you
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• 11[00:11:43] <jaysbnc> genr8_: i wan to get rid of my macbook. i switched from opensuse to mac in 2006. since steve jobs passed away, apple somehow got worse. i am willing for a change :-D
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• 13[00:12:14] <nvz> I'm happy with my 8 or so year old Lenovo Thinkpads.. it all works well in Debian.. I just dont bother thinking about the proprietary backdoors :P
• 14[00:12:15] <genr8_> everytime i open the lid, i would look at the brand name huawei and think "There could be any kind of bug in these chips." one may be counterfeit and have unreleased 0-days waiting to pwn at a moments notice
• 15[00:12:45] <genr8_> well I commend you for not buying a new macbook
• 16[00:12:47] <jaysbnc> genr8_: i think if there is a real risk, it would be in the media very fast.
• 17[00:13:02] * nvz has never seen a huawei anything but thats to be expected in this time/place
• 18[00:13:47] <genr8_> so you wanna wait for the media to find it when the government already banned it in advance
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• 20[00:15:08] <mutante> you don't see the huawei hardware in the phone towers
• 21[00:15:21] <jaysbnc> genr8_: i think they stick to intel or amds board design. the backdoor is allready there by design from intel/amd
• 22[00:15:38] <jaysbnc> remember that cisco stuff snowden told us :-D
• 23[00:16:04] <genr8_> yeah. or they added their own cause they have full access to do so and just as many places to hide it
• 24[00:16:37] <jaysbnc> as far as i remember it is really tuff to get rid of intels vpro chip features on many intel laptops
• 25[00:16:51] <genr8_> yes
• 26[00:16:52] <jhutchins> genr8_: None of this is about Debian support, could you take it elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic?
• 27[00:17:11] <genr8_> i tried.
• 28[00:19:13] <jhutchins> jaysbnc: Hardware is difficult to track, because the components change rapidlly and the manufacturers don't always change the model designation.
• 29[00:20:07] <genr8_> why would you tell me to take it elsewhere and then continue the discussion
• 30[00:20:11] <jhutchins> jaysbnc: I know that Dell often offers Linux, but not sure which distros they use. There are laptops that come with linux pre-installed, although they're often priced higher than their specs.
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• 32[00:20:24] <jhutchins> genr8_: Because you were off topic.
• 33[00:20:36] <genr8_> so drop it
• 34[00:20:40] <jaysbnc> jhutchins: your right… we got carried away :-D
• 35[00:20:59] <jhutchins> jaysbnc: Happens to all of us.
• 36[00:21:20] <jaysbnc> jhutchins: i will try a cheapo amd huwei for time being…. hope i don’t run into serious issues
• 37[00:21:28] <annadane> i would buy lenovo but for that superfish thing, i don't want them to get more money if they were doing stuff like that
• 38[00:21:33] <nvz> afaik dell sells with ubuntu, and usually any linux pcs either have ubuntu or some very libre type os.. often custom
• 39[00:21:37] <annadane> then again what company is truly 100% ethical
• 40[00:21:45] <jhutchins> jaysbnc: There are hardware compatibility databases, but they rely on users to report, and people don't usually bother unless they have a problem.
• 41[00:22:16] <jhutchins> I'm on a Dell 6430u and everything works (haven't checked the ssd slot).
• 42[00:22:52] <jhutchins> jaysbnc: Thinkpads are usually pretty compatible.
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• 44[00:24:32] <jaysbnc> anyone is using a zenbook?
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• 46[00:24:54] <nvz> really I wouldnt mind discussing the topic of linux on computers a bit more in #debian-offtopic if anyone cares to :P
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• 82[00:54:53] <FightingFalcon> Can you use use inotifywait -e moved_to delete (i mean can you watch two events at the same time?
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• 87[00:59:45] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: checked the manpage for -e option?
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• 89[01:00:23] <FightingFalcon> um no
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• 92[01:00:30] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: perhaps you should :)
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• 104[01:08:55] <FightingFalcon> ok
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• 146[02:01:03] <Sayona> Hi, anyone know how I can get quem-kvm command in debian 8?
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• 150[02:01:46] <sney> ,file qemu-kvm --release jessie
• 151[02:01:49] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
• 152[02:01:55] <sney> ,file qemu-kvm --release jessie-backports
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• 154[02:05:55] <sney> Sayona: the 'kvm' command is provided by qemu-system-(arch), there doesn't seem to be a qemu-kvm binary but it's probably an alias for that. qemu 2.1 is in jessie-security. what functionality are you looking for exactly? are you following a howto?
• 155[02:06:28] <Sayona> to create a vm using qemu-kvm
• 156[02:07:11] <sney> try the same command you're running, but with just 'kvm' instead of 'qemu-kvm'
• 157[02:07:16] <Sayona> replaced-url
• 158[02:07:58] <sney> that's complaining about not being able to start the gui interface. there is probably an option for kvm to use curses or terminfo instead
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• 160[02:08:40] <Sayona> thanks, let me read the docs
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• 237[03:48:28] <annadane> more out of theoretical interest than anything but is it ever good to install freedombox natively instead of in a VM? due to php
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• 241[03:49:48] <nvz> I tried freedombox, I was not impressed.. was mostly shite
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• 243[03:51:29] <nvz> all it seemed to be was a web page for installing crap one at a time to cruft up my system..
• 244[03:52:09] <nvz> would've been better off just using aptitude/synaptic and selecting everything I wanted and installing it all in one go without all the extra cruft
• 245[03:52:50] <annadane> okay, more general question: is it a good idea to run anything php related virtualized?
• 246[03:52:56] <nvz> as for config/management better to install webmin 3rd party.. its a nicer interface and easier to manage things
• 247[03:53:50] <nvz> that I can't really answer cause I'd rather just not run php.. but sure, its always better to run things in a jail environment..
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• 249[03:56:12] <nvz> the problem isnt just php, but running something that is accessible remotely and trusting the code itself as well
• 250[03:58:21] <nvz> webmin has gotten a lot nicer.. idk why we'd have crap like freedombox and not webmin anymore
• 251[03:59:40] <eigenfire> webmin is a disaster, as it has always been.
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• 253[04:00:27] <nvz> yes, well all such things are imho
• 254[04:00:42] <nvz> but if you're gonna use one, might as well use one with a better interface that does more useful stuff
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• 256[04:02:44] <sney> it's smart to run php apps in a standalone setting, whether it's a vm, container, or whatever, because a lot of php apps (particularly the web cms variety) can be nuts with memory usage, and it's easier to narrow down the culprit if the vm isn't running much else
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• 259[04:03:29] <mason> annadane: It's a good idea to run anything and everything virtualized.
• 260[04:03:39] <sney> but having php installed and listening on /var/run/php7.3-fpm.sock on a baremetal server isn't an intrinsically bad thing either. it just depends on what you're doing
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• 262[04:06:32] <sney> like java, there is a lot of sloppy php code out there made by sloppy people, and it's good to assume you're dealing with that if you don't know for sure.
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• 279[04:25:37] <annadane> i should probably run firefox in firejail but... laziness...
• 280[04:25:59] <annadane> or i mean, i guess apparmor, firefox-esr and apparmor probably have some default thingy in debian
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• 282[04:28:14] <sney> and apparmor!
• 283[04:30:20] <annadane> i just said that
• 284[04:30:21] <annadane> !lart sney
• 285[04:30:22] * dpkg pries sney's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to sney
• 286[04:30:40] <sney> this is probably an improvement. *twitch*
• 287[04:31:14] <sney> firefox-esr doesn't stand a chance against 3x apparmor.
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• 298[04:47:20] <sponix> @sney: So... after testing long enough to know for sure. Your theory was correct. It was hardware. Having a GTX 960 running in my 2nd slot, instead of the top one -- I no longer have GUI Freezes
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• 302[04:48:02] <sponix> sney: so thank you for that... My rig looks a bit dumb, but is stable now, so that is great
• 303[04:48:40] <sney> np. always rule out hardware first. it's a good lesson in this industry
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• 325[05:37:56] <alexrelis[m]> Hey, I don't know if this is a Debian problem, but just recently I replaced the keyboard and fan of my sister's computer and now when she boots in Debian, the keyboard layout is different and it keeps randomly suspending. She couldn't enter her password while using the keyboard. Does anyone know what's going on?
• 326[05:38:00] <alexrelis[m]> It's a Thinkpad X220T btw.
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• 332[05:43:58] <Strife89> Hello, folks. In the screenshot, I have four partitions. I want to remove partition 1, and grow partition 2 (/[root]) and 4 (/home) to make use of the freed space replaced-url
• 333[05:44:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
• 334[05:44:22] *** themill changes topic to 'Current Debian release is buster, 10.4 point release /msg dpkg 10.4; /msg dpkg buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed | Stretch has limited LTS support: /msg dpkg stretch-lts ; /msg dpkg 9.13 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog'
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• 336[05:44:57] <themill> topicdiff: 9.13 point release; stretch is now lts-supported only
• 337[05:45:29] <ryouma> what??????!!!!!!!!
• 338[05:45:30] <Strife89> The problem is that partition 1 is my boot partition, so I have concerns that I will break my ability to boot the system if I attempt the above idea.
• 339[05:45:37] <ryouma> themill: the date was in 2021 i thought?
• 340[05:46:07] <annadane> alexrelis[m], you can perhaps attempt dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, if your sister can find the keys that correspond to typing that :P
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• 342[05:46:48] <themill> ryouma: 1 year of overlap for oldstable support is what it has been for about 15 years
• 343[05:47:05] <alexrelis[m]> annadane: Unfortunately, in a tty session, my sister is unable to enter her password. She is however, able to enter it in Gnome via the on-screen keyboard, but it instantly suspends by the time she is able to open a terminal...
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• 347[05:47:36] <ryouma> themill: 21:14 <annadane> stretch becomes LTS in july of 2021
• 348[05:47:52] <annadane> well, stupid me then, if i said that
• 349[05:47:56] * annadane slaps past me
• 350[05:48:02] <themill> replaced-url
• 351[05:48:17] <annadane> it's always one year after stable releases that oldstable goes lts
• 352[05:49:04] <ryouma> also "Debian 9 will also receive Long Term Support for five years after its initial release with support ending on June 30, 2022."
• 353[05:49:08] <themill> Don't worry, lots of people have been wishing 2020 would just go away
• 354[05:49:10] <ryouma> from teh wesite
• 355[05:50:08] <themill> ryouma: yes, that's what I said in the 'topicdiff' (and stretch-lts factoid)
• 356[05:50:26] <ryouma> well here i am on a non-fully-usable computer with not all of my data, which i ahve been using for a while and will have to merge in with my canonical data... and having toupgrade now is a little annoying in that i have to merge /etc and stuf....
• 357[05:51:03] <eigenfire> Might be a good time for a fresh start.
• 358[05:51:07] <ryouma> despite not having access to all of my canonical data....
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• 360[05:51:50] <ryouma> nah, i will upgrade. i just need hw. or health reasons however i cannot do a lot of merging and installing and configging and stuff. nor can i install my hd that have the canonical version of my data.
• 361[05:52:35] <ryouma> maybe i can figure out an octopus computer with something that will take my internal hd and make them external. i have higher priorities though.
• 362[05:53:22] <ryouma> and stretch upgrading from looked like a particularly thorny upgrade
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• 366[05:53:30] <Strife89> Right now it sounds like you have a ... unique situation
• 367[05:54:44] <ryouma> not unique, just not well known as those who have health issues are not normally able to spend their time educating those without them about them. in many acses they are hidden away bedridden and nobody thinks they exist.
• 368[05:55:02] <ryouma> so it just /looks/ unique
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• 370[05:55:20] <ryouma> it's sampling bias, or selection bias
• 371[05:55:28] <ryouma> (or availability?)
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• 373[05:56:02] <themill> jessie-lts is a thing and the debian-security-support will detail what packages are EOLd and what they are continuing to support
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• 375[05:56:11] <themill> err, stretch-lts
• 376[05:56:17] <ryouma> a package?
• 377[05:56:31] <themill> ,i debian-security-support
• 378[05:56:33] <ryouma> oh yeah i ahve that
• 379[05:56:34] <judd> Package debian-security-support (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Debian security support coverage checker. Version: 2020.04.16~deb10u2; Size: 28.7k; Installed: 155k; Screenshot: replaced-url
• 380[05:56:59] <themill> and check-support-status(1)
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• 385[06:01:02] <ryouma> funny little note: check-support-status is a bit verbose so i grepped it to get teh relevant information. but its output must have changed because my grep did not allow for it to tell me taht tor was unsupported. it did tell me about binutils.
• 386[06:02:38] <themill> I tend to just look at /usr/share/debian-security-support/security-support-ended.* but then you need to know the source→binary package mapping for that to work and it's that mapping that c-s-s is doing for you and makes it verbose
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• 390[06:08:46] <ryouma> hmm, no my grep did work and i always look at it but something is wrong about the date of when it stopped beign supported and was reported by check-support-status (or so it seems; the issue could lie elsewhere)
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• 392[06:09:36] <ryouma> anyway i should upgrade right now... ugh
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• 399[06:16:30] <Strife89> I mean, it's not like you have to do it right this instant. You've got a few weeks of time, at least.
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• 403[06:22:45] <Strife89> I *think* that if I do the delete+move+resize from a Live CD, then enable the boot flag for what is currently sda2, then run grub-install /dev/sda, it should be fine?
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• 405[06:23:42] <ryouma> themill: my grep just greps for " - "
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• 410[06:30:16] <themill> ryouma: if there's not already a bug requesting "terse" output mode that only lists the binary packages, or has a format that looks like "binary\tsource\tversion\treason" (say) that is more machine-readable, then that would be a reasonable wishlist bug for you to file
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• 421[06:49:43] <ryouma> that would be a good format!
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• 476[08:33:36] <ozfalcon> Why is alsactl be located in /usr/sbin ?
• 477[08:33:41] <ozfalcon> Why is alsactl located in /usr/sbin ?
• 478[08:34:23] <ozfalcon> Why not /usr/bin (Like alsamixer is located)
• 479[08:38:09] <genr8_> probably historical reasons
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• 481[08:41:36] <ratrace> placement between bin and sbin is often haphazard and if you ask me, stupid. the separation of privileges happens through uid and mac policies, not stupid directory placement.
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• 485[08:42:40] <ratrace> we need a "binmerge" event, like we had "usrmerge" and solve it once and for all
• 486[08:43:38] <ozfalcon> Yes, It's a bit silly (and messy)
• 487[08:44:33] <ratrace> many tools work both for privileged and unprivileged, admins and non-administrative users, at the same time
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• 491[08:47:52] <ratrace> and "tools needed for booting" makes no sense since the advent of initramfs, so the separation has lost all the points and reasons to exist, long time ago.
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• 547[10:34:26] <antto> is there some tool that can magnify a chunk of screen 2x or 3x, without interpolating the picture?
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• 561[10:52:31] <RoyK> antto: I guess you can do it with black magic, but in computer terms, interpolating it is the way to go ;)
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• 565[10:55:57] <antto> wut
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• 568[10:56:23] <antto> anyway, found xzoom
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• 596[11:26:22] <Voidablazer> Hey do I first run update-grub and then update-initramfs - u?
• 597[11:26:26] <Voidablazer> Or in reverse?
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• 599[11:29:08] <ratrace> technically you run grub setup after initramfs setup, because grub needs to see initramfs
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• 601[11:29:18] <jim> Voidablazer, I believe update-grub will update initramfs
• 602[11:29:29] <ratrace> that said, just updating existing initramfs file makes no difference for grub that only needs to detect filenames and add them to menu entries
• 603[11:30:05] <ratrace> no, update-grub doesn't rebuild initramfs
• 604[11:30:26] <jim> how can I find packages I have that are "held"?
• 605[11:30:32] <Voidablazer> ratrace: so the order doesn't matter
• 606[11:30:32] <ratrace> update-grub merely runs grub-mkconfig -o ...
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• 608[11:30:44] <Voidablazer> Because it only gets the names for menu entries
• 609[11:30:53] <ratrace> Voidablazer: for literally what you wrote? no. but it matters when installing or changing initramfs filenames
• 610[11:33:03] <Voidablazer> Oh I see
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• 612[11:34:15] <Voidablazer> ratrace: I am facing a strange issue. I have installed Debian 10.04 on a cloud service, and every time I run update-initramfs -u or install a new kernel, the machine stops booting (or the ssh / internet connection is lost)
• 613[11:34:52] <Voidablazer> How can I see if the cloud configuration adds something to the original initramfs that is then lost?
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• 615[11:35:12] <ratrace> Voidablazer: compare two outputs of lsinitramfs, before and aftre your manual update
• 616[11:35:30] <Voidablazer> ratrace: oh ok nice
• 617[11:35:53] <NetTerminalGene> evolution + rss plugin fetches already fetched stuff when i restart it. can i fix it?
• 618[11:35:53] <ratrace> and if your cloud service is altering initrams without using proper hooks (that would then be called when you manually update it), RUN from there asap :)
• 619[11:36:34] <ratrace> Voidablazer: mind you, that only outputs paths/files in the initrd. to tell whether the files themselves differ, well you'd have to unpack both and run a diff on the dirs
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• 622[11:39:31] <Voidablazer> retr
• 623[11:40:11] <Voidablazer> ratrace: I compared the dirs of the two. The new initramfs has conf/conf.d/zz-resume-auto
• 624[11:40:16] <Voidablazer> Which didn't exist before
• 625[11:41:07] <ratrace> no idea what that does
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• 627[11:41:32] <Voidablazer> I run diff before.output after.output
• 628[11:41:43] <Voidablazer> To compare the outputs of both and this is the only difference
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• 630[11:43:13] <ratrace> ah I see, that's installed by the "resume" hook.
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• 632[11:43:59] <Voidablazer> ratrace: but it didn't exist beforehand in the original Debian installation
• 633[11:44:01] <ratrace> Voidablazer: what's in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume ?
• 634[11:44:27] <ratrace> should be single line, can post it here
• 635[11:44:47] <Voidablazer> ratrace: a uuid that's different from the swap uuid
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• 637[11:45:07] <ratrace> Voidablazer: so it's not RESUME=none ? do you actually hibernate that VPS?! o.O
• 638[11:45:14] <Voidablazer> I changed it to the correct one before, updated initramfs, rebooted and still the same issue
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• 640[11:45:28] <Voidablazer> ratrace: should it be none?
• 641[11:45:35] <ratrace> yes unless you're using hibernation
• 642[11:45:38] <Voidablazer> Will try it
• 643[11:46:36] <ratrace> Voidablazer: btw, what's the virtual console output when it hangs on boot?
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• 646[11:49:50] <Voidablazer> ratrace: now both initramfs the original and the new with resume=none have no differences in directories
• 647[11:49:59] <Voidablazer> Will see if it works
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• 649[11:51:07] <kreyren> What is the correct way to set up a mail server on debian?
• 650[11:51:09] <kreyren> referencing replaced-url
• 651[11:52:02] <shtrb> Good morning , can anyone please help how I can store / log shutdown process ? something blocks the shutdown for a while , then it popups on the screens that it failed and shutdown immediately (too fast for me to capture)
• 652[11:52:18] <Voidablazer> ratrace: it seems to boot fine now
• 653[11:52:33] <ratrace> kreyren: apt install postfix ; follow instructions ; read replaced-url
• 654[11:52:45] <ratrace> Voidablazer: nice.
• 655[11:52:47] <kreyren> ratrace, that's only for IMAP no?
• 656[11:52:47] <Voidablazer> For some reason that file has wrong swap uuid, and even when I corrected it, it didn't boot. With none it works
• 657[11:52:55] <Voidablazer> So did this hibernate the machine?
• 658[11:53:02] <ratrace> kreyren: that's postfix, SMTP server. if you want imap with that, you integrate with Dovecot
• 659[11:53:05] <Voidablazer> What's its effect in booting
• 660[11:53:13] <kreyren> checking
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• 662[11:53:37] <ratrace> Voidablazer: that config alone doesn't hibernate but sets up boot hook that tries to autodetect, or in your case look up specific UUID, and resume from it
• 663[11:54:03] <Voidablazer> ratrace: if the uuid is the correct one, it still doesn't boot
• 664[11:54:11] <Voidablazer> So it can't resume I guess
• 665[11:54:14] <ratrace> if there was no hibernation, and autodetection is broken, it would mess up the boot process, yes.
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• 667[11:55:29] <ratrace> Voidablazer: i'm not familiar with how well all that is supposed to be working, haven't used hibernation in many years. but that hook per se, is only for thawing. it might be failing if there was nothing to thaw. ideally, you'd find explanation in the virtual console when it boots with RESUME=<uuid>
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• 670[11:58:48] <Voidablazer> ratrace: the virtual console doesn't work
• 671[11:58:58] <Voidablazer> This is a free cloud service for university students
• 672[11:59:06] <ratrace> omg
• 673[11:59:07] <Voidablazer> And it sucks in general
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• 675[11:59:37] <Voidablazer> I can only create a new machine, destroy and connect with ssh
• 676[11:59:55] <Voidablazer> And the config script does something to the image when I upload it, which I am not sure
• 677[11:59:59] <Voidablazer> It isn't well documented
• 678[12:01:00] <Voidablazer> Now after update-grub it doesn't boot again
• 679[12:01:17] <Voidablazer> Probably they have modified grub.cfg directly
• 680[12:01:27] <Voidablazer> Without default/grub
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• 684[12:07:34] <ratrace> Voidablazer: after you run update-grub, check if the /boot/grub/grub.cfg is referencing correct UUIDs for the rootfs and if /boot is separate, that too
• 685[12:07:56] <ratrace> I see no other reason why running update-grub would mess booting if the contents of /boot did not change (initrd and/or kernel names didn't change)
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• 689[12:13:06] <shtrb> sorry , network down , had anyone answerd when I was off ?
• 690[12:14:25] <ratrace> shtrb: nope. and the answer is probably already in the logs. ideally set up persistent journald so you can easily look up previous boots
• 691[12:15:54] <shtrb> I guess it's in the logs ( I already booted with "systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug systemd.show_status=1" ) my problem is WHERE to find it
• 692[12:17:02] <ratrace> journalctl .. but journald needs to be persistent to retain previous boot logs
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• 694[12:18:05] <ratrace> Storage=persistent in /etc/systemd/journald.conf ; don't rely on "auto" detection with /var/log/journal ; best reboot after changing journald settings, i'm not sure restarting it is not 100% bug free
• 695[12:18:18] <shtrb> Thanks
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• 697[12:18:41] <shtrb> But shouldn't that data be in syslog already ?
• 698[12:18:49] <shtrb> in /var/log/syslog
• 699[12:19:25] <ratrace> yes but there's no index or search API you can use, aside to grep. so... look it up :)
• 700[12:20:12] <ratrace> shtrb: look for "Command line: BOOT_IMAGE" lines, that's approximately the start of boot process, so look backward beyond that
• 701[12:20:27] <shtrb> Wow thanks !
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• 703[12:21:31] <ratrace> also don't forget that relevant logfiles rotate daily by default, which means previous boots might be in rotated-out files
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• 705[12:22:05] <shtrb> it's reproducable 100% of the time so I'm good about it :)
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• 767[13:51:11] <rander2> why #tor is locked ?
• 768[13:54:08] <abrotman> the tor stuff is on OFTC AFAIK
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• 770[13:55:10] <abrotman> right, see the topic of #nottor
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• 777[14:06:05] <rander2> ok, thx
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• 915[14:37:40] <pvoigt> Point Release 10.5 has been announced for yesterday. Is there a known reason for delay?
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• 928[14:40:42] <LtL> pvoigt: I haven't heard a any point release for buster, where did you see that?
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• 930[14:41:50] <LtL> of not a pint release, stretch did however
• 931[14:41:58] <LtL> gah
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• 937[14:53:08] <pvoigt> LtL: Well, read about it on 2020-06-27 on the Debian mailing list debian-security.lists.debian.org.
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• 939[14:53:37] <LtL> pvoigt: hmm, i haven't seen any such mail... yet
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• 941[14:53:53] <abrotman> that was weeks ago
• 942[14:54:02] <abrotman> and it' spossible it was delayed, or still buliding images
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• 945[14:54:47] <srged> whats the defult application that takes printscreens ?
• 946[14:54:50] <pvoigt> And here: replaced-url
• 947[14:54:50] <LtL> thanks abrotman, pvoigt
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• 949[14:54:54] <f8e4> hey
• 950[14:55:06] <f8e4> what is the difference between tty and /dev/console ?
• 951[14:55:20] <f8e4> i want to log systemd to StandardOutput=console
• 952[14:55:22] <f8e4> but no such option
• 953[14:55:36] <f8e4> replaced-url
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• 955[14:58:04] <srged> How can I change the saving name for my screenshots ?
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• 957[14:59:14] <abrotman> using which tool?
• 958[14:59:30] <srged> abrotman: the default one
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• 960[14:59:40] <blurkis> f8e4: may I ask why you want to log to console? (Im assuing its the console where the bootup messages are printed.)
• 961[14:59:58] <srged> abrotman: Screenshot 3.30
• 962[15:00:12] <f8e4> blurkis postgresT is spamming to stdout and causes rotates, i try to get it to terminal only
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• 964[15:00:23] <f8e4> or increase the level or sth
• 965[15:01:00] <abrotman> srged: in gnome? you can give it a name when you take the picture?
• 966[15:01:53] <blurkis> f8e4: Why not log it to a file? It seems strange to log a serverapplication to a terminal?
• 967[15:02:03] <srged> abrotman: yes, but there is also a default name that is using the date and time... so i'd like to edit that default name
• 968[15:02:13] <f8e4> blurkis correct but how to trim to not bloat beyond 1kB eg
• 969[15:02:25] <abrotman> srged: i'm not aware that you can
• 970[15:02:33] <srged> :(
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• 974[15:05:22] <EdePopede> srged: can you start it from the shell with some ouput name?
• 975[15:05:57] <srged> EdePopede: I have a hotkey set for screenshots
• 976[15:06:02] <srged> that I use
• 977[15:06:38] <f8e4> blurkis any idea?
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• 980[15:07:00] <abrotman> srged: if you man gnome-screenshot, it tells you that oyu can do it with -f
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• 983[15:07:07] <EdePopede> srged: that's wat i assume ;) the trick would be to bind the exact command including some name to the key, or even better using a wrapper script where you could use all kind of tricks, like bashism on pro level.
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• 986[15:07:50] <EdePopede> just curious, does gnome allow %1 or similar which then would open a dialog for the filename?
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• 1012[15:48:30] <f8e4> how to use logger to prit to journalctl ?
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• 1016[15:50:12] <f8e4> got it
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• 1019[15:50:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey has anybody ever used linkchecker in nix
• 1020[15:51:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> im not understing how to do file output
• 1021[15:51:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 1022[15:51:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 1023[15:51:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> not using ubuntu man page is same.
• 1024[15:52:10] <shtrb> What would be a suggested markdown to html command line tool , that could generate tables and show code blocks with syntax highlights (replaced-url
• 1025[15:52:31] <abrotman> Eryn_1983_FL: what's confusing about the output?
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• 1027[15:55:34] <EdePopede> shtrb: pandoc
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• 1029[15:55:45] <shtrb> Thanks ! will google it
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• 1032[15:56:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> am i suppose to do something like this? -F text[utf-8][output.log]
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• 1034[15:57:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> or -F text utf-8 output.log
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• 1036[15:57:21] * shtrb sends a 1 sq m pizza as a gratitude to EdePopede
• 1037[15:57:29] <EdePopede> yummy, thanks
• 1038[15:57:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> or -F text/utf-8/output.log
• 1039[15:57:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok that didnt error..
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• 1041[15:59:29] <jim> how might I edit my mime configuration to add zoom to it?
• 1042[15:59:38] <Johann> Eryn_1983_FL: the convention is that [] is for optional syntax in mannpages
• 1043[15:59:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> ohok
• 1044[15:59:52] <Johann> so yes, your last one is good
• 1045[15:59:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
• 1046[16:00:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> ty
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• 1049[16:04:32] <abrotman> Eryn_1983_FL: did you .. try it?
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• 1051[16:06:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah
• 1052[16:06:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> its going through it now
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• 1136[17:43:50] <gilbaba> hey i was trying to use debian on virtual machine behind a virtual firewall . a windows machine can get an ip and easily access the net . but linux machines cant connect . debian keeps jumping to 192.168.56.x. when i have given the firewall LAN DHCP in th 10.0.0.100-200 range . windows machines work perfectly . all linux machines i am facing same issue
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• 1139[17:44:36] <brutser> i have some boot errors that i like to resolve, but I am not a debian expert, though i am enthousiast :) i have a ryzen 2400g on asrock b450m pro4, with additional asus gtx960 - following critical boot errors I get: replaced-url
• 1140[17:44:40] <gilbaba> cant figure out what i have to do to make it work
• 1141[17:44:47] <brutser> any expert around who has time to help me with this?
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• 1144[17:49:28] <genr8_> 192.168.56.x is the Internal VM network
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• 1146[17:50:16] <genr8_> you need to go into the VM config and set the network adapter type to the right one. Bridged, NAT, host only, internal, whatever its called for what you're doing
• 1147[17:50:37] <diogenes_> brutser, run: dmesg | grep -i firmware | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1148[17:50:48] <brutser> diogenes_: ok moment
• 1149[17:50:50] <diogenes_> share the url
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• 1152[17:52:37] <brutser> sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware | nc termbin.com 9999 >> replaced-url
• 1153[17:52:50] <brutser> sudo journalctl -p err | nc termbin.com 9999 >> replaced-url
• 1154[17:53:19] <brutser> diogenes_: i put the output of journalctl again because i installed latest kernel from backports, and since then the boot errors have changed a little
• 1155[17:53:37] <brutser> installed latest kernel because someone suggested that here ^
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• 1158[17:54:12] <brutser> diogenes_: failed to load amdgpu/raven_ta.bin < that seems critical for the firmware to work
• 1159[17:54:56] <brutser> although i do have a display using the igpu from the 2400g right now
• 1160[17:55:27] <brutser> but i hate boot errors, even the acpi ones that are usually non critical and can be ignored, i hate to see them during boot
• 1161[17:55:49] <diogenes_> brutser, most likely you need nonfree firmware.
• 1162[17:56:42] <diogenes_> and besides you can suppress the boot messages.
• 1163[17:57:24] <brutser> diogenes_: ok, that's at least interesting for the non critical acpi errors, i get them on a laptop too and since the vendor will most likely not update the bios anymore, it will always be there right?
• 1164[17:57:51] <brutser> i installed firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-realtek ^
• 1165[17:58:37] <brutser> and for openbox i installed xserver-xorg-video-ati
• 1166[17:58:47] <brutser> that's about it
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• 1175[18:05:38] <diogenes_> brutser, i've recently tried this one and it perforem surprisingly well: replaced-url
• 1176[18:06:06] <diogenes_> performed*
• 1177[18:07:51] <brutser> diogenes_: you suggest i install the amd64-microcode ?
• 1178[18:08:01] <brutser> or what exactly from that link is interesting for me?
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• 1184[18:09:12] <brutser> or you suggest i install 5.7 kernel?
• 1185[18:09:21] <brutser> sorry not clear to me ^
• 1186[18:09:26] <blurkis> Do debian keep a list of blueetooth devices that works out of the box?
• 1187[18:10:13] <diogenes_> brutser, yes microcode would be another thing to try, from that link you can try a tweaked with latest firmware kernel.
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• 1191[18:11:48] <blurkis> I meen, bluetooth dongle, ^^
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• 1193[18:12:05] <brutser> diogenes_: just to remember you that you are talking to a non expert :) do i need to install linux-xanmod ?
• 1194[18:12:08] <graphicsv> I set `apm=off and acpi=off` into kernel boot flags and now I can only see one CPU on htop and `nproc`. What is that? It was while trying to mitigate this issue: replaced-url
• 1195[18:12:21] <graphicsv> Not sure how can these flags affect CPU usage.
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• 1199[18:13:40] <diogenes_> brutser, that's what i'd try if i was in your situation.
• 1200[18:14:20] <brutser> diogenes_: ok, i can try all i want on this machine, so i will give that a try now
• 1201[18:14:27] <brutser> i probably will need to reboot, so brb
• 1202[18:14:51] <diogenes_> graphicsv, acpi=off disables lots of features so you can only see 1 core of your CPU.
• 1203[18:15:29] <graphicsv> /proc/cpuinfo >> replaced-url
• 1204[18:15:38] <graphicsv> diogenes_: How can I enable all my cores again?
• 1205[18:16:12] <diogenes_> graphicsv, to remove acpi=off.
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• 1208[18:16:35] <brutser> diogenes_: when installing linux-xanmod , i get the following error shown: (it's not related to linux-xanmod, but i still will need to fix it i feel) : replaced-url
• 1209[18:16:41] <graphicsv> diogenes_: there is no other way? I'm having constant freezes. I even tried 5.6 but no success :'(
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• 1211[18:17:42] <diogenes_> brutser, ignore that error.
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• 1213[18:17:53] <brutser> ok
• 1214[18:17:57] <brutser> rebooting now brb
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• 1216[18:18:23] <diogenes_> graphicsv, what GPU and what DE?
• 1217[18:18:45] <graphicsv> diogenes_: Plasma and `06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] (rev e1)`
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• 1220[18:19:20] <graphicsv> lspci = replaced-url
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• 1224[18:21:12] <brutser> diogenes_: back! boot errors now more descriptive i feel, but still there >> replaced-url
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• 1229[18:24:43] <diogenes_> brutser, sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1231[18:25:40] <brutser> diogenes_: strings is part of which package?
• 1232[18:25:45] <brutser> i don't have it installed
• 1233[18:26:41] <diogenes_> brutser, binutils
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• 1235[18:27:34] <brutser> diogenes_: replaced-url
• 1236[18:28:42] <diogenes_> brutser, sudo nano /etc/default/grub
• 1237[18:29:14] <diogenes_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_osi=! acpi_osi='Windows 2015'"
• 1238[18:29:21] <diogenes_> sudo update-grub
• 1239[18:29:29] <diogenes_> reboot and see if that changes anything.
• 1240[18:29:34] <brutser> ok moment
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• 1250[18:36:29] <gilbaba> diogenes
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• 1254[18:38:49] <brutser> diogenes_: won't boot, gets stuck with message: tsc: Making TSC unstable due to clocksource watchdog. TSC found unstable after boot, most likely due to broken BIOS. Use tsc=unstable.
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• 1258[18:41:03] <NetTerminalGene> anyone here knows free, active newsgroup?
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• 1276[18:57:36] <brutser> diogenes_: you still here?
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• 1327[19:28:25] <graphicsv> I just found this line on syslog >> `Jul 19 09:27:35 VQ-Debian-Desktop kernel: [ 111.803409] watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 23s! [Xorg:cs0:816]` is my processor dying or what?
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• 1330[19:32:00] <EdePopede> graphicsv: i had this all the time while using wheezy. had to use a big fan in front of the cpu. and take care not to overheat it, depending on whatever even 50°C made my system hang. REISUB and then restart was all i could do.
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• 1334[19:33:23] <EdePopede> it wasn't there from the beginning, so something must have changed with my CPU from 2007. it stopped after installing stretch, so there may have been a relevant change in the kernel
• 1335[19:33:27] <graphicsv> EdePopede: So this can actually be overheating problem? Why not rebooting the system instead of locking it up? I've created this bug report for linux. I just would like to fix this so I can use my computer =/ I have a brand new motherboard and CPU (ryzen 5 3600x), not sure what I can do to mitigate this. replaced-url
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• 1337[19:34:16] <EdePopede> graphicsv: i've read a lot of bug reports and forum entries. never really found out what the issue really was. i'm just glad it's over now :)
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• 1339[19:35:34] <EdePopede> i think it was the reason why i stopped watching videos in the browser and learned to use youtube-dl and later mpv, heh
• 1340[19:35:58] <graphicsv> EdePopede: Strange. It seems that when I don't disable power management on plasma, I don't get this issue at all. So annoying
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• 1343[19:36:49] <EdePopede> so PM keeps it safe?
• 1344[19:37:40] <graphicsv> Seems so. I'm increasing the load on the CPU. Yesterday I played GTA V for nearly an hour and got no problem at all. Not sure what to do with this :/
• 1345[19:37:46] <graphicsv> Maybe my GPU is dying
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• 1347[19:37:51] <EdePopede> i had the pentium with the famous F00F bug once. may be it's something similar in some CPUs.
• 1348[19:38:55] <EdePopede> you removed nvidia drivers and are using the amdgpu now? so you have 2 potential output devices?
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• 1351[19:40:05] <graphicsv> EdePopede: My Dell have NVIDIA graphics card (optimus but I was using only NVIDIA) and in my desktop I have RX 590 8GB. Now I already dumped the whole thing and I'm using a fresh new installation
• 1352[19:40:29] <graphicsv> So, only 1 output video device
• 1353[19:40:57] <EdePopede> ah. because: I removed the NVIDIA drivers from Debian repository and installed my AMDGPU drivers
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• 1355[19:41:11] <EdePopede> it sounded like you'd use another device on the same machine now
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• 1358[19:42:13] <EdePopede> did you see any logs after the freeze?
• 1359[19:42:50] <graphicsv> EdePopede: Yes, I couldn't catch anything. I can provide kern.log and syslog if needed. Now uptime is ` 14:42:10 up 38 min, 8 users, load average: 0.48, 1.10, 0.92` and I got no freeze at all. Is it possible that it's a bug on Plasma?
• 1360[19:42:59] <graphicsv> You know, the audio also keeps repeating if there's something playing
• 1361[19:43:13] <graphicsv> A small frame of the audio (like 1-2 seconds) I'd say it's 1.5s
• 1362[19:43:14] <EdePopede> yeah, i remember this now
• 1363[19:45:27] <EdePopede> the nice thing was that the kernel at least was still responsive (REISUB)
• 1364[19:45:57] <graphicsv> For me no, when it happens I try Ctrl+Alt+FX. No success
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• 1366[19:46:29] <EdePopede> worked only sometimes for me. but that other magic at least most of the times
• 1367[19:47:29] <EdePopede> the important thing was to shut down open programs if possible and most of all unmount everything in a clean way
• 1368[19:47:32] <graphicsv> I just wanted to stick to Debian. Arch Linux is too new for me. I don't want new :'(
• 1369[19:48:01] <graphicsv> I will leave it running for sometime and then disable power management on Plasma settings and see how it goes.
• 1370[19:48:29] <EdePopede> i laptop, so chances to use another card to test it may be not so good ;)
• 1371[19:48:39] <EdePopede> s/i /a /
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• 1373[19:49:13] <EdePopede> it also happened on the HD installation, right? not only on the live system
• 1374[19:49:17] <graphicsv> It's not a laptop. It's a desktop, actually. I could try with another video card, though
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• 1376[19:49:39] <graphicsv> Seems that I've misexplained my entire bug report
• 1377[19:50:08] <EdePopede> may also be me ;)
• 1378[19:50:20] <EdePopede> i think i even have issues with the line height on that site
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• 1380[19:51:35] <graphicsv> Just got the freeze
• 1381[19:51:40] <graphicsv> With power management on
• 1382[19:52:17] <graphicsv> Audio repeating on headphone and everything. WEIRD
• 1383[19:53:11] <EdePopede> that's an AMD K6-2 here btw, and a cheap GT630.
• 1384[19:53:36] <EdePopede> does it feel hot somehow?
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• 1388[19:54:23] <EdePopede> i had the sensor values brought to my desktop by conky, iirc the problems were the reason to install it
• 1389[19:54:43] <EdePopede> (besides the fact that it's just a cool tool)
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• 1392[19:57:01] <Numero-6> hi all i love debian
• 1393[19:59:57] <graphicsv> Froze again. OMG
• 1394[20:00:19] <Numero-6> my question: what is systemd-journald, because in stretch, no folder journal in /var/log or in /run/log. The log in /var/log/journal is a binary, and can only read with journalctl --files=, or with string cmd. If i journalctl --vacuum-time=2s (for test), that remove logs only in /var/log/journal
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• 1396[20:00:31] <graphicsv> You know what's interesting. My motherboard starts bipping. What do you think that means?
• 1397[20:00:32] <graphicsv> EdePopede:
• 1398[20:00:52] <Numero-6> So what is the utility about systemd-journald, i just want understand
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• 1400[20:01:26] <EdePopede> beeps? there are some tables on the web, i think wikipedia also has something
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• 1402[20:02:28] <graphicsv> Seems to be the CPU FAN fail warning. What?
• 1403[20:02:34] <EdePopede> replaced-url
• 1404[20:02:38] <graphicsv> replaced-url
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• 1407[20:03:54] <EdePopede> does the speed change over time?
• 1408[20:03:55] <graphicsv> When freeze occurs I start listening to the beep
• 1409[20:04:03] <graphicsv> EdePopede: YES. Constantly. Up and down
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• 1411[20:04:39] <EdePopede> normal, it reacts to the temperature. i'd be concerned with a heating CPU and the fan just ignoring it
• 1412[20:04:57] <graphicsv> EdePopede: I just touched the CPU, it's ok
• 1413[20:05:01] <graphicsv> No heating. It's pretty cool
• 1414[20:05:07] <graphicsv> I mean, I touched it from the back
• 1415[20:05:10] <EdePopede> though i would have liked mine to run at full speed most of the time
• 1416[20:05:10] <graphicsv> It's still on
• 1417[20:05:31] <graphicsv> EdePopede: it'd make me go insane if I activated full speed at all times
• 1418[20:06:00] <jmcnaught> Numero-6: journald does not store persistent journals by default on Debian, /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian has a note about this.
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• 1421[20:06:23] <tomreyn> "watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck" is not necessarily a thermal issue
• 1422[20:06:31] <EdePopede> i don't know if this 23s issue is directly related to a hot cpu, i just don't think it was a coincidence in my case. but maybe you should keep an eye on it, iirc inxi has some nice graphs it can create from sensorsd
• 1423[20:07:12] <Numero-6> jmcnaught: ok i go read
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• 1425[20:08:20] <Numero-6> jmcnaught: so if is not persistent, why ? the kernel see same
• 1426[20:08:33] <tomreyn> if graphicsv's screenshot is from the system which is reporting these cpu lockups, and this is recent hardware, i'd just try a newer kernel first of all.
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• 1429[20:09:59] <graphicsv> tomreyn: It's not mine but it's the same on my BIOS
• 1430[20:10:24] <Sayona> Hi, how can parted the disk like this: replaced-url
• 1431[20:10:27] <graphicsv> tomreyn: Is it possible that kernel is activating this CPU fan fail warning?
• 1432[20:10:34] <tomreyn> graphicsv: update to latest bios and try a backported kernel
• 1433[20:10:52] <jmcnaught> Numero-6: I'm not sure that I understand your question, but I believe journald is not persistent by default because syslog still is and both would be redundant. journald still runs with logs in RAM so you can check recent logs (from the current boot) using it. journalctl has some nice filtering, and 'systemctl status <service>' shows some log entries too.
• 1434[20:10:52] <tomreyn> graphicsv: CPU fan fail warning? i must have missed something
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• 1436[20:11:08] <graphicsv> tomreyn: I'm talking about the beep I'm listening
• 1437[20:13:04] <graphicsv> tomreyn: Check this out. It's from the motherboard's manual replaced-url
• 1438[20:13:35] <graphicsv> tomreyn: Right after the freeze, I get constant beeps. The CPU FAN is working just fine. CPU is not overheating, but there's constant beeps
• 1439[20:13:50] <Numero-6> jmcnaught: "journald still runs with logs in RAM so you can check recent logs" Ok but dmesg do that too ?
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• 1442[20:14:31] <tomreyn> graphicsv: are you on the latest bios version?
• 1443[20:14:42] <tomreyn> graphicsv: this could be just a bios bug
• 1444[20:15:08] <jmcnaught> Numero-6: journald logs more than dmesg does.
• 1445[20:15:30] <tomreyn> graphicsv: if you don't know: journalctl -b | grep DMI:
• 1446[20:15:34] <Numero-6> jmcnaught: yea like you say he save lot of logs
• 1447[20:18:16] <jmcnaught> Numero-6: I tend to enable persistent logging with journald because I prefer using journalctl.
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• 1452[20:18:40] <graphicsv> tomreyn: Thanks. very helpful. I'm downloading a new update >> 2‎020/07/02
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• 1459[20:21:11] <Numero-6> jmcnaught: yes i like journalctl too, but always complicated to memorize the parameters of the command
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• 1461[20:21:28] <Numero-6> jmcnaught: i do use more for memorize
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• 1463[20:23:52] <Numero-6> jmcnaught: so dmesg is no longer useful
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• 1470[20:31:24] <AAC> hey. how do i use dpkg, or apt-get to list package with determined state
• 1471[20:31:32] <AAC> like systemctl
• 1472[20:32:27] <dob1> I am not able to understand on rsync --dry-run what it add and what it deletes. the files I see are all the files it will sync ?
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• 1477[20:39:13] <tomreyn> AAC: dpkg -l lists the state of all packages known to dpkg (which is probably less than all packages that are available). the installation state is indicated on the first character of every line in the listing
• 1478[20:39:30] <AAC> oh i see so there is no option on the cli?
• 1479[20:39:42] <tomreyn> no option to do what?
• 1480[20:39:47] <AAC> like systemctl --state=active or something
• 1481[20:40:23] <tomreyn> dpkg -l '*' lists only installed packages
• 1482[20:40:23] <dpkg> No packages found matching '*' lists only installed packages
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• 1484[20:40:45] <tomreyn> ignore what nickname 'dpkg' just told you
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• 1486[20:41:27] <AAC> okay ... hmmm
• 1487[20:41:33] <tomreyn> apt list --installed foo* lists all packages starting with "foo" that are installed
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• 1489[20:41:50] <AAC> and what about not installed packages
• 1490[20:41:55] <AAC> apt list what?
• 1491[20:42:03] <tomreyn> if you omit --installed it lists all packages starting 'foo' and indicated "[installed]" for those which are installed
• 1492[20:42:25] <AAC> i could use a grep...but i was wondering if there was like "dpkg -l -state=unistalled"
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• 1494[20:42:40] <heiner> AAC: "apt-cache search ....", or the excellent "aptitude"
• 1495[20:42:54] <AAC> how to set the state of the package?
• 1496[20:43:05] <AAC> like apt-cache search --state=not_installed
• 1497[20:43:10] <tomreyn> maybe you should explain what you are actually trying to achieve
• 1498[20:43:22] <AAC> im trying to list all uninstalled package
• 1499[20:43:39] <tomreyn> so packages which used to be installed and have then been removed?
• 1500[20:43:39] <AAC> also is weird to use --installed and not having an --not-installed
• 1501[20:43:43] <heiner> AAC: do you have "aptitude" installed?
• 1502[20:43:48] <AAC> yes but i dont like it
• 1503[20:44:02] <AAC> no packages with a determined state
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• 1505[20:44:39] <AAC> like dpkg -l -state=config-files
• 1506[20:44:40] <AAC> ior
• 1507[20:44:41] <AAC> or
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• 1509[20:44:53] <AAC> dpkg -l -state=half-installed
• 1510[20:44:54] <dpkg> ii -state=half-installed 1.2-1 aac's private coin collection
• 1511[20:45:01] <heiner> AAC: you could try the following: apt-cache search .
• 1512[20:45:14] <heiner> that's a literal period '.'*
• 1513[20:45:25] <AAC> this list all the packages
• 1514[20:45:42] <AAC> there isnt a option?? i have to use grep?
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• 1517[20:46:53] <heiner> AAC: I still don't see what you want to do. Do you really want a list of all packages that exist in your configured repositories?
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• 1520[20:47:23] <AAC> i want to list packages , that are on the repo , with a determined package state
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• 1522[20:47:37] <AAC> or my own packages (instead of repo)
• 1523[20:47:47] <Numero-6> AAC: yea with dpkg that existe
• 1524[20:47:58] <Numero-6> i try to find the command in my doc
• 1525[20:48:00] <heiner> AAC: what package state should they have?
• 1526[20:48:10] <AAC> several (described in man dpkg)
• 1527[20:48:23] <AAC> like i said (state=config-files)
• 1528[20:48:40] <heiner> AAC: what would you do if you found a list of that packages?
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• 1531[20:50:07] <AAC> im trying to use unistalled packages,and was wondering if there was a cli option to do it...i want to list the kernel package....
• 1532[20:50:41] <AAC> since i dont know the name, i thought searching...but not all packages...just the ones with a determined state
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• 1534[20:50:50] <sney> maybe you are looking for 'aptitude search ~c'
• 1535[20:51:07] <graphicsv> tomreyn: After BIOS update still get the freeze. I also get the freezes with Linux 5.6. Maybe it's a hardware problem. Not sure how to track it
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• 1538[20:51:31] <Numero-6> AAC: "i want to list packages , that are on the repo , with a determined package state"
• 1539[20:51:37] <Numero-6> synaptic ?
• 1540[20:51:54] <Numero-6> i don't know how do that in cmd line sorry
• 1541[20:52:00] <AAC> okay..
• 1542[20:52:02] <AAC> anyone else=?
• 1543[20:52:14] <AAC> not a problem though ill just use grep :)
• 1544[20:52:29] <Numero-6> yea custom you're own
• 1545[20:52:32] <AAC> :)
• 1546[20:52:34] <AAC> thanks
• 1547[20:52:35] <AAC> !
• 1548[20:52:36] <AAC> :)
• 1549[20:52:43] <Numero-6> you can do anyhing with linux :D
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• 1551[20:53:14] * Numero-6 kick windows and smash mac
• 1552[20:54:10] <AAC> heheheeh
• 1553[20:56:42] <Numero-6> AAC: for example i want show what i have installed, for my backup, because i install debian with mini.iso in expert install wih minimal package
• 1554[20:56:56] <Numero-6> AAC: i use that: cat /var/log/apt/history.log | grep -E 'apt install | apt-get install' \
• 1555[20:56:56] <Numero-6> | awk '{ sub( "^", "\x01", $4 ); sub( ".*\x01", "" ); print }'
• 1556[20:57:17] <Numero-6> some want another command, but for how i use that great
• 1557[20:57:22] <AAC> oh yes, linux is very customizable :)
• 1558[20:57:35] <AAC> what is that mini.iso?
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• 1562[21:00:58] <darth_tyranus> hello
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• 1564[21:02:16] <Numero-6> AAC: mini.iso is a minimal iso, for install debian sid or testing
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• 1566[21:02:52] <Numero-6> i use that recently, because i don't want default paquage like network-manager and other
• 1567[21:02:53] <AAC> well...i have so many packages installed...that i serious doubt if i could use a mini.iso :)
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• 1569[21:03:08] <AAC> yeah i trashed my network-manager as well
• 1570[21:03:10] <AAC> :)
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• 1572[21:03:21] <AAC> did custom script :) (instead of ifup and ifdown)
• 1573[21:03:26] <Numero-6> yea me too omg
• 1574[21:03:30] <AAC> lol
• 1575[21:03:41] <Numero-6> i love so much ifup and ifdown
• 1576[21:03:42] <AAC> good for speed boot
• 1577[21:04:06] <Numero-6> yea and for fresh install you copy just interfaces file and network again
• 1578[21:04:13] <AAC> is there a link to mini.iso? (or tutorial) ?
• 1579[21:04:19] <Numero-6> replaced-url
• 1580[21:04:35] <AAC> youre using the lastest debian release?
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• 1582[21:04:41] <Numero-6> you do find in this link
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• 1586[21:05:26] <AAC> ok..thks
• 1587[21:05:30] <Numero-6> i use the lastest debian sid
• 1588[21:05:33] <AAC> ok
• 1589[21:05:51] <Numero-6> because stable borred me lot of tools have not the last update
• 1590[21:06:11] <sn00p> How do I find out whether or not my ip is static or dhcp
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• 1592[21:07:52] <epictetus2> sn00p: if it's static then it is configured in /etc/network
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• 1596[21:09:07] <AAC> i dont like admiting it ...but im using i386
• 1597[21:09:09] <AAC> :)
• 1598[21:09:18] <AAC> so most latest stuff wont run on my debian
• 1599[21:09:21] <AAC> like java for isntance
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• 1601[21:09:40] <epictetus2> AAC: what machine? you running buster on it?
• 1602[21:10:07] <AAC> although i tried to see if there was a version of openjdk for my computer, but there wasn't...it is stucked on 1.8
• 1603[21:10:25] <AAC> my machine ...running squezz
• 1604[21:10:40] <AAC> do you know of any java implementation for i386 ?
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• 1620[21:15:36] <sney> AAC: the newest java for squeeze is openjdk 6, regardless of architecture. my nagios server which is also i386 is running debian bullseye and has java up to openjdk 14 available to install. oracle probably has i386 binaries too. but if you are running squeeze your OS may be too old to run them.
• 1621[21:16:15] <AAC> i think that oracle, has only binaries to x64?
• 1622[21:16:31] <AAC> where did you found openjdk for i386?
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• 1625[21:17:18] <sney> squeeze is archived. I looked directly at the packages on the mirror, but with the right sources.list on squeeze you can "apt-get install openjdk-6-jre" and get a usable java 6.
• 1626[21:17:30] <sney> dpkg: squeeze-lts
• 1627[21:17:30] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
• 1628[21:17:42] <AAC> i have openjdk1.8
• 1629[21:17:46] <AAC> not java 6
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• 1634[21:19:27] <sney> you can see the actual debs here: replaced-url
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• 1758[22:45:18] <jakew_> Does anyone have any pointers of getting Firefox audio to work in Debian 10? I just upgraded from 9; other audio works, including in other web browsers; but firefox and tor-browser (the exact same executable that worked on 9 with sound) do not have audio. There is no playback device showing up in PulseAudio Volume Control. I'm pretty experienced with Linux but don't know where to start here. Searches don't seem to turn up much specific
• 1759[22:45:21] <jakew_> information. I moved ~/.pulse, ~/.pulse-cookie, and ~/.config/pulse/cookie. I also tried to delete .prefs.js from the profile folder of tor-browser (not trying on ff because it's the browser I'm using to look up troubleshooting info, but I figure if I can get it working on tor I can get it working on regular FF). Any suggestions? Thanks!
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• 1761[22:46:46] <sponix> replaced-url
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• 1767[22:47:56] <Kobaz> same version of lsof.. different systems (varying kernels) wondering why lsof /random/path works on one machine but not the other.... and then lsof +D /random/path always works
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• 1775[22:54:42] <jakew_> sponix: Thanks - it doesn't seem covered here - none of the scenarios really apply. I noticed, though, than in about:support, the "Audio Backend" is listed as "remote." I have no idea if that's normal or not, I never checked it when it was working!
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• 1779[22:55:36] <jakew_> The Arch wiki page seems to be dealing with scenarios with a specific app where the app at least creates a pa sink. That is not happening here. But I have also read that FF only uses pulseaudio on Linux, so it hardly seems like it would be misconfigured.
• 1780[22:56:05] <sponix> jakew_: let me have a look at mine, and see what it says there
• 1781[22:56:12] <jakew_> k thanks
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• 1783[22:57:44] <sponix> jakew_: yeah, my tor browser - firefox-esr says "remote" there also
• 1784[22:58:02] <jakew_> huh. weird. what version of debian are you on?
• 1785[22:59:19] <jakew_> maybe i need to ask on ff irc
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• 1787[23:01:09] <sponix> jakew_: I'm actually not on pure Debian. Just something based off of it (called MX Linux)
• 1788[23:05:28] <jakew_> gotcha - so strange
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• 1795[23:09:43] <annadane> sponix, shame!
• 1796[23:09:51] <annadane> also, i have no idea how arch keeps its wiki up to date
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• 1798[23:10:09] <annadane> i guess it's easier when you don't have to track multiple releases but i guess they probably have a pretty dedicated wiki team
• 1799[23:10:20] <jakew_> sponix: a completely fresh untar of tor-browser also has the same issue, eliminating any "Clear your firefox preferences or profile or whatever" solutions
• 1800[23:11:13] <jakew_> so does that mean something has changed in pulse? I suppose i could try downloading a live debian image and seeing if it works out of the box, and going from there
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• 1805[23:16:59] <sponix> jakew_: a live session might be worth a try
• 1806[23:17:28] <sponix> annadane: was the shame on my MX Linux, or the use of the Arch wiki ?
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• 1808[23:17:51] <annadane> mx :P
• 1809[23:17:55] <annadane> and it's just a joke
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• 1812[23:18:55] <sponix> I haven't managed to really break it YET. And for me that says a LOT. Been doing it since shortly after 19 was released
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• 1821[23:28:02] <jakew_> sponix: WOW. Could this have something to do with security in the new Debian? Because I can't download files either! In fact, I can't even upload a screenshot to pasteboard of the file download error I'm seeing!
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• 1824[23:28:17] <jakew_> Same result in a fresh tor-browser.
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• 1826[23:28:41] <sponix> jakew_: and in the default firefox-esr ?
• 1827[23:29:30] <jakew_> the error is this: " could not be saved, because the disk, folder, or file is write-protected. Write-enable the disk and try again, or try saving in a different location." (the space at the beginning and lowercase c in "could" are exactly how it appears - as though it can't even read the name of the link I just clicked on).
• 1828[23:29:36] <jakew_> Yes, the exact same thing in firefox-esr
• 1829[23:30:10] <allizom> jakew_: are you mounting /home read-only?
• 1830[23:30:10] <jakew_> Curiously, ctrl-s on a page brings up a save dialog and functions as expected.
• 1831[23:30:19] <jakew_> no I'm not!
• 1832[23:31:08] <jakew_> right-click -> "save link as" does absolutely nothing (no dialog, nothing, nada, as though I had never clicked on it)
• 1833[23:32:04] <jakew_> I found this out, of course, because I was trying to download the live iso torrent file, which I am now being prevented from doing.
• 1834[23:33:22] <sponix> this whole OS is feeling very busted IMHO
• 1835[23:33:34] <sponix> jakew_: you checked to make sure your / and /home are not read only ?
• 1836[23:34:22] <jakew_> yeah - completely not read only. never has been
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• 1839[23:35:59] <jakew_> the "web" (epiphany?) app downloaded it with no problem
• 1840[23:36:05] <jakew_> i mean
• 1841[23:36:08] <jakew_> not epiphany
• 1842[23:36:11] <jakew_> whatever it's called
• 1843[23:37:00] <allizom> jakew_: can you please start it with "firefox-esr --ProfileManager" and ensure you're using a new profile to test?
• 1844[23:37:08] <jakew_> replaced-url
• 1845[23:37:16] <jakew_> i got that to upload using "web"
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• 1847[23:38:33] <jakew_> allizom: exact same results with a fresh profile
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• 1851[23:40:18] <jakew_> Could this have anything to do with AppArmor?
• 1852[23:40:39] <jakew_> I've never used it or touched it, but the release notes for 10 say it's enabled by default
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• 1854[23:40:59] <sponix> jakew_: possibly
• 1855[23:41:20] <jakew_> but you'd then think others would be having this issue
• 1856[23:41:29] <sponix> jakew_: if this was my rig, I would be considering backing up important data and doing a fresh install of 10
• 1857[23:41:37] <jakew_> hmm
• 1858[23:41:56] <sponix> I do that on every Major release anyway though (not point releases)
• 1859[23:42:01] <jakew_> not a bad idea - but i just went to so much trouble to upgrade!
• 1860[23:42:10] <jakew_> well i'll have to see if the iso works first
• 1861[23:42:32] <allizom> does the browser console show anything of interest? do you have system-installed (i.e. via apt/dpkg) add-ons?
• 1862[23:42:40] <jakew_> but true there is a bunch of cruft on this system, been the same one since debian 7
• 1863[23:42:55] <jakew_> you mean system installed firefox add-ons?
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• 1865[23:43:05] <allizom> yes
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• 1869[23:43:38] <jakew_> hmm. shockwave flash (????)
• 1870[23:43:49] <jakew_> it's a plugin not an extension but i'll disable it
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• 1874[23:45:35] <Guest21425> Hi
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• 1877[23:46:09] <annadane> hi
• 1878[23:46:14] <jakew_> allizom: there is the GET request for the torrent file, status code 206 partial content
• 1879[23:46:25] <jakew_> i've never looked for that before but would assume it's normal?
• 1880[23:46:33] <jakew_> otherwise nothing at all
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• 1883[23:48:31] <jakew_> i'm apt installing apparmor-profiles and apparmor-profiles-extra
• 1884[23:48:36] <jakew_> just in case, couldn't hurt
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• 1886[23:49:44] <allizom> jakew_: searching for your issue I spotted some posts about checking /tmp ownership/permissions/mount options
• 1887[23:49:50] <jakew_> oh hmm.
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• 1889[23:50:39] <jakew_> lol omg
• 1890[23:50:41] <jakew_> wait a second
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• 1892[23:51:30] <jakew_> i'd accidentally mounted something on /tmp instead of /mnt/tmp!
• 1893[23:51:32] <jakew_> hahaha
• 1894[23:51:34] <jakew_> omg wow
• 1895[23:51:46] <jakew_> but not sure about the pulse thing, let me see
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• 1897[23:52:24] <jakew_> yep, audio working now too. jeez.
• 1898[23:52:27] <jakew_> holy moly.
• 1899[23:52:28] <allizom> :D
• 1900[23:52:32] <jakew_> well thanks for the pointer, that was really helpful!
• 1901[23:52:58] <jakew_> now i have a bunch of apparmor stuff installed, oh well
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• 1909[23:59:15] <CarlFK> is there a bot here that will tell me what version of anisble is in stable?
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