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3[00:07:28] <Terrell> Question.. .I have a 128 GB SD formatted with exFAT. I am planning on doing a backup of a windows 7 system. I would like that SD to be bootable because I want to test it. And I can Boot it in windows 7 or in Linux or use dual boot - and I prefer the last option. I have a computer sitting in Grub on my desk right now. 1) should I reformat? Should I perhaps use NTFS? 2) how would I set that Sd up to boot into Windows 7? What order should I do this in?
4[00:07:28] <Terrell> I also have a big HDD - Terabyte and I can use it but - it might not have a file system at all. How do I get windows to install a fiel system... and I can plug it into the machine sitting in Grub and I think (its been a few months) that Buster in fact is ready to rock and roll on that boot media.
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6[00:08:35] <joepublic> This is all sounding windows,windows,windows real familiar from earlier
7[00:08:56] <Terrell> well it is until I switch over to Debian.
8[00:09:13] <Terrell> The Debian machine is sitting in Grub.
9[00:09:16] <joepublic> iirc two people gave you two solutions for partitioning your empty drive.
10[00:09:37] <Terrell> The HDDs are external and I can plug into either machine... its just sitting on my desk.
11[00:09:56] <joepublic> how did exploring those two solutions go?
12[00:10:27] <Terrell> I have been swamped so now I am ready to actually start
13[00:11:08] <joepublic> Well, from earlier, <magic.ninja> Terrell, just format the entire drive as NTFS. You can use disk manager in Windows 7. Start--Run-->compmgmt.msc will bring up the computer manager in there.
14[00:11:13] <Terrell> Lwr me look up Grub commands.
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16[00:11:33] <joepublic> Also from earlier, <joepublic> instead of looking while on windows, you could boot to a GNU/Linux live ISO and run gparted
17[00:11:39] <Terrell> let me look and thankyou!
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19[00:12:38] <joepublic> I don't know how to make a dual boot with "windows" but hopefully getting the hard drive going should help
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21[00:15:02] <Terrell> How did you look up that post so quickley?
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30[00:18:50] <joepublic> I just scrolled back to it, been here the whole time
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32[00:20:22] <Terrell> Oh! Well so no magin there. compmgmt.msc does not seem to be present in Windows 7 I am looking for what it might be now. Docs are suggesting it was in Vista
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37[00:23:08] <joepublic> you might search for disk management.
38[00:23:36] <Terrell> I'm looking in control panel.
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40[00:24:20] <joepublic> see? windows,windows,windows, not sure you are in the right channel
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42[00:25:46] <Terrell> I have talked into windows-legacy as well. I think the procedure is to use the Debian installer after windows is installed and it will set up dual boot - repartition and install Debian... so I'm reading docs now.
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50[00:32:07] <Terrell> You can shrink any other partitions but you will still loose the files on it
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54[00:32:51] <Terrell> Oh wonderful! Well I have partition magic. I just need to find it. And its January. I hae a few months to look
55[00:33:16] <joepublic> Shrinking partitions typically does not involve losing files. And gparted will resize partitions for you if they're clean.
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60[00:36:10] <Terrell> I just checked. Its an NTFS partition. I have PowerQuest. Guess what. It runs on OS/2 and Windows NT and I don't have EITHER installed on nuthin and even if I did neither has the right drivers. phD
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62[00:36:41] <Terrell> Some days I hate computers.
63[00:36:54] <joepublic> I can see why. All that listening involved.
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66[00:38:44] <Terrell> Ya - I had a computer die and I was far too wound up in messes to even look at it. So I bought this elcheapo to tide me over and more crap arrived on my door step. I still have not finished with that crap.
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76[00:44:36] <tonyt> has debain been ported to run natively on android devices?
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113[01:11:41] <Samysam> Hi all. Why service outputs are sent to syslog on stretch? ForwardToSyslog line in journald.conf is commented and systemd documentation says default value is false
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115[01:13:19] <ratrace> Samysam: no, default is enabled, looking in journald.conf manpage
116[01:14:38] <Samysam> ratrace: oops, I looked on replaced-url
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120[01:17:03] <Samysam> Other question: Should I ship logs from journald, syslog, both disabling the ForwardToSyslog? What is considered the good practice ? I'm using fluent-bit
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149[01:53:17] <Gerowen> So I want to install anbox, but it wants to remove busybox, which seems like a bad idea. Suggestions?
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152[01:55:58] <tomreyn> find out why apt wants to remove busybox and make it not do so
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154[01:56:23] <joepublic> ,v anbox
155[01:56:24] <judd> Package: anbox on amd64 -- stretch-backports/contrib: 0.0~git20181014-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1; bullseye/contrib: 0.0~git20191115-1; sid/contrib: 0.0~git20191115-1
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170[02:02:48] <terr> (terr) I read up on guid. Lots of detail no overview. I think it says to boot any versions of windiws the Bios must support it. I am planning on using GRUB. Grub should boot. After that I think GRUB will get windows running which is just fine for yhe few tims I might need it
171[02:03:33] <terr> I asked in #windows also but its sort of generic..
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178[02:08:03] <tomreyn> terr: you dropped a lot of words there but i'm not sure i'm getting what you're trying to do overall. here's a guess: dual-boot in bios mode from gtp partitioned disks?
179[02:08:12] <tomreyn> * GPT
180[02:08:27] <tomreyn> ...using grub as a boot loader
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189[02:19:38] <Borntuft> Good evening
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196[02:22:54] <damo22> im running buster on a x86_64 machine, it seems that the PRNG is taking AGES to init causing my login screen not to display
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199[02:23:12] <damo22> but if i plug in a keyboard it seems to finish quickly
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201[02:23:51] <damo22> im guessing this is a problem for anyone running headless
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215[02:32:17] <Gerowen> damo22: My server is headless Buster and doesn't have that issue. Time from running shutdown -r until services are available again is about 28 seconds. That said, I don't have any kind of GUI installed on mine, so if you're looking for a graphical login, that might be why.
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220[02:34:56] <damo22> i dont have GUI
221[02:35:44] <damo22> also, i am running coreboot on mine, maybe the entropy sources are not working
222[02:35:53] <Borntuft> damo22, are you running 10.2? and did you try to reinstall it?
223[02:36:14] <damo22> i upgraded from jessie
224[02:36:26] <damo22> using dist-upgrade
225[02:37:02] <damo22> it eventually started ssh
226[02:37:11] <damo22> but took about 10 minutes
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228[02:38:49] <damo22> yes i am on 10.2
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230[02:41:07] <damo22> if the system relies on human input for entropy generation, how does that work on systems with no user input?
231[02:41:27] <damo22> ie, headless servers
232[02:42:05] <damo22> if it uses hw sensors, it might fail on my system since it has a strange sensor setup
233[02:42:56] <damo22> i cant even get cpu fan to work, ive had to plug the cpu fan into the system fan (always on) plug
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235[02:45:06] <Gerowen> With regard to my issue I had with anbox earlier, I figured out what's going on. It wants to remove busybox because it depends on busybox-static.
236[02:45:18] <Gerowen> Which, I guess, conflicts with the regular busybox package.
237[02:45:40] <nyov> it does
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239[02:47:06] <Gerowen> So would replacing "busybox" with "busybox-static", for the purpose of installing anbox, break anything? The description says that busybox-static provides all of the same utilities as busybox, but I'm not sure how busybox is used in Debian and if that would break any symbolic links to the busybox executable or not.
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244[02:49:29] <nyov> what anbox are you installing? it doesn't have any busybox dependency in debian buster
245[02:50:03] <Aebian> is there an easy way to find out the version of a package via CLI? I know that I can search for packages with apt-cache -t <channel> search <pkg> but that doesn't list the version as far as i can see
246[02:50:06] <gry> I would have liked a working out-of-the-box anbox package too.
247[02:50:08] <nyov> but no, replacing busybox with busybox-static shouldn't break anything in a usual debian setup
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250[02:51:17] <nyov> Aebian: aptitude versions <package>
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252[02:52:03] <Borntuft> damo22, is it possible for you to do a fresh install of buster?
253[02:52:26] <gry> I installed anbox; "anbox" complains that it needs an argument; "anbox session-manager" just hangs there and does nothing. I expected an EASY way to open an android mobile-like window.
254[02:52:29] <Borntuft> Gerowen, is able to run headless
255[02:53:08] <Aebian> nyov: is there a method without aptitude or do I really need it?
256[02:53:40] <Gerowen> nyov: When I try to apt install anbox from the default buster repos, it depends on busybox-static, and therefore tries to remove busybox.
257[02:53:44] <damo22> Borntuft: id prefer not to do that, its a server that i am using for something
258[02:54:35] <damo22> i can work around the issue by plugging a usb peripheral into the box
259[02:54:46] <damo22> it seems to get entropy from that
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261[02:55:18] <nyov> Aebian: dpkg-query --list <package>
262[02:55:18] <Gerowen> damo22: You mentioned the random number generator, have you done something custom that causes that to hang because the /dev/random entropy pool isn't full? Is there some service that uses that random data for something where it has to wait?
263[02:55:29] <Aebian> thx
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265[02:56:23] <Gerowen> Just curious really, because if you've ran into the issue, that means other people, or I myself, might in the future, so if there's something you've done, I will try to keep that in mind.
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267[02:57:27] <nyov> Gerowen: replaced-url
268[02:58:52] <terr_> tomreyn, is there a howto on how to initialize and partition a new HDD?
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275[03:04:37] <Gerowen> nyov: It's weird because that matches up with what I see in Synaptic, but when I mark it for installation it has extra packages listed like "arch-test" and "bridge-utils", so I'm chasing dependencies to see what's up. I've got Android x86 running in a VM fine, but if I could stick some Android games right in the apps menu on my kids' PCs (also run Debian), that would be awesome.
276[03:05:22] <Borntuft> terr_, replaced-url
277[03:05:23] <nyov> oh okay, maybe I should have looked at the deps of the dependencies :p
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281[03:06:49] <terr_> Borntuft, thanks. I'm in admin mode looking for the browser.
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285[03:07:31] <nyov> hm, I still can't see which of these libs could possibly pull in a busybox dependency. but oh well
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287[03:09:30] <Gerowen> nyov: Yeah it's no biggie, I'll just give it a shot and see what happens, :p
288[03:10:03] <nyov> again, the switch to -static shouldn't break anything
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295[03:14:27] <terr_> Borntuft, doesn't help much - its MBR. I am trying to find out if I should use GUID
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298[03:14:50] <terr_> Wikipedia didn't tell me. I can't see the forest. Trees are too thick
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300[03:16:13] <Borntuft> terr_, I know this is heresy suggesting this link, but look at replaced-url
301[03:16:31] <Borntuft> But just pretend arch doesnt exist and only use debian
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303[03:16:32] <Borntuft> EVER
304[03:16:34] <Borntuft> :D
305[03:17:01] <Gerowen> Upon further inspection the description of the package "busybox" says it does not provide any of the symbolic links for the GNU utilities it contains, so in normal userspace I'm using the full fat GNU versions of things like cp, so I guess busybox is what, the rescue terminal you get if you choose "Recovery Mode" in Grub?
306[03:17:24] <terr_> Borntuft, that looks perfect
307[03:17:39] <nyov> busybox is used in initramfs
308[03:17:55] <nyov> so yes, the recovery mode
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313[03:20:02] <Borntuft> Goodnight everyone
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320[03:22:16] <user2157> i have a question about Nemo keyboard shortcuts keys. i thought it was quite universal that Alt+D is the shortcut to access the address bar, but in Nemo its Ctrl+L. how can i change this?
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328[03:25:56] <ClickTek> Anyone have experience with ParrotOS?
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339[03:28:56] <ClickTek> Anyone have any experience with ParrotOS> Is it perfectly fine to use a daily driver or nah?
340[03:29:04] <ShepperdS> i used it
341[03:29:13] <ShepperdS> its not a pentesting distro?
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343[03:29:18] <ShepperdS> based in debian
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345[03:29:31] <ShepperdS> well... its ok
346[03:29:48] <ShepperdS> at least 6 years ago worked in my box
347[03:29:57] <ClickTek> It appears to be based on Debian Testing but it does include pentesting tools.
348[03:30:09] <ClickTek> Some places I read it's fine and others say not to use it on a DD.
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351[03:30:26] <ShepperdS> i suggest download just the apps you need
352[03:30:34] <ShepperdS> KISS
353[03:30:50] <ShepperdS> but why not have a lot, indeed
354[03:31:21] <ClickTek> I guess I wonder if it would be as secure as say Fedora or even Ubuntu/Debian itself.
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356[03:31:25] <ShepperdS> there is a distro based in ubuntu
357[03:31:32] <ShepperdS> go efnet
358[03:31:40] <ShepperdS> channel #h@ckers
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360[03:31:43] <ShepperdS> ask n4n0
361[03:31:56] <ShepperdS> its the best but i forget the name
362[03:32:18] <ShepperdS> best because wont find in google
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364[03:32:27] <ClickTek> Kali is supposed to be the best but you are i root and shouldnt use it as a daily drive os
365[03:32:57] <ClickTek> I'eck oiut the chan, thanks
366[03:32:59] <ShepperdS> ubuntu ultimate is the best
367[03:33:21] <ShepperdS> but ubuntu is for people who cant manage debian
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369[03:33:46] <pandakekok9> Trisquel wants some love :(
370[03:34:06] <ShepperdS> if you destroy debian it wont work anymore :(
371[03:34:21] <ShepperdS> Trisquel is Galega :)
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373[03:34:39] <ShepperdS> Trisquel is debian? iirc
374[03:34:57] <ShepperdS> sorry i have a awfull headache
375[03:35:02] <pandakekok9> I think it's ubuntu based
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377[03:35:11] <ClickTek> /join #fedora
378[03:35:19] <ClickTek> my fault.
379[03:35:21] <ShepperdS> kororaa da best
380[03:35:23] <ShepperdS> outdated
381[03:35:25] <ShepperdS> since 26
382[03:35:58] <ShepperdS> next time you want to message a window try #msg debian /
383[03:36:10] <ShepperdS> message or whatever :-)
384[03:36:29] <ShepperdS> i dont manage linux since 2014
385[03:36:32] <ShepperdS> my fault
386[03:36:44] <ShepperdS> im in Solaris
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388[03:37:19] <pandakekok9> Tor is pretty portable huh
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390[03:37:25] <pandakekok9> It even works in Solaris
391[03:37:52] <ShepperdS> my bot doesnt tcp in Linux
392[03:38:07] <ShepperdS> yeah
393[03:38:14] <ShepperdS> Tor is free
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404[03:46:46] <terr_> well well well - my hot spare laptop has a 2550 GB HDD in it and its partition the way I want it to be. I can just go ahead and install Linux in it. WOW. I am still left with how to initialize and partition this external terabyte drive. I am reading docs now
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420[04:00:33] <terr_> Borntuft, question. I am reading the link you suggested. Damn good. THere is windows 7 on that disk. I want /boot and there is 20 GB total and 150 GB not used by windows. I'll put Linux there. Q) Can I repartition (its MBR) so that I leave c: alone and replace D: with /boot / swap (total 4 partitions) if I can get /boot / [swap] and /home even better. But to do this I think one partition has to be extended. OR - do I need to move the C: partition so
421[04:00:33] <terr_> that the bios can find /boot?
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423[04:01:06] <terr_> 250 GB in total
424[04:01:15] <Guest36984> #grub
425[04:01:23] <terr_> okay
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428[04:02:48] <nyov> terr_: having /home and / as extra partitions is not really necessary. usually more headache once once partition approaches fullness
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430[04:03:31] <terr_> I've done it both ways before and it didn't make any difference to me.
431[04:04:07] <nyov> 200MB for /boot is usually enough, unless you want to get fancy with 5 installed kernels or so
432[04:04:58] <nyov> I'm just saying. If you oversize / you might regret it when /home gets full and you're hurting for disk space
433[04:05:10] <nyov> other way around is even worse
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437[04:08:40] <nyov> and then you won't need an extended partition.
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439[04:10:09] <terr_> I've got lots of space. This is a spare. THe production machines are much larger
440[04:10:16] <nyov> terr_: oh and yes, you can repartition the disk around the windows partition
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442[04:11:01] <nyov> with grub, I don't think you'll have issues with a late /boot partition.
443[04:11:04] <terr_> okay - so are you telling me that /boot can live behind that 100 GB 1st partition? BRB
444[04:12:58] <nyov> this would depend on the BIOS. if it supports LBA mode, grub can see the whole disk, so no issues
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446[04:14:05] <nyov> used to be that it has to be within the first 1024 cylinders of the disk. But unless your hardware is old, that limit shouldn't apply anymore
447[04:14:06] <terr_> how do I find that answer?
448[04:15:12] <terr_> I know. I installed 4 operating systems with a LILO boot manager. Not fun. dd can nicely lift an MBR
449[04:15:51] <terr_> hmm - if there is a problem then maybe I can just use dd and lift the MBR and put grub there
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455[04:17:42] <nyov> LILO was sexy :)
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458[04:18:46] <terr_> I should be able to look at the BIOS parms. Alas - windows
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468[04:27:11] <nyov> back in the ancient days when I had that issue of working around a windows partition, I put my /boot on a floppy disk. bonus: I could just pull it for protection ;)
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470[04:28:05] <nyov> these days you couldn't even fit a single kernel image on there
471[04:28:09] <terr_> I can put it on a USB! The computer in question will boot from a USB
472[04:28:20] <nyov> that would work
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474[04:29:49] <terr_> That STUPID windows backup. 1) its a windows starter version. I want to be rid of that - I have several copies of windows 7 pro. 2) there doesn't seem to be an option to log in as admin 3) it wants to back up c: to D: and both ate the same hard drive!
475[04:31:02] <nyov> you could dd it to another disk, if you have one
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477[04:31:41] <terr_> I have several
478[04:32:08] <terr_> I am looking at a system image. Do you know what system images are saved in?
479[04:32:11] <swift110> oh wow
480[04:32:46] <nyov> no, sorry. my windows knowledge pretty much ended with XP
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482[04:33:27] <terr_> Mine too - I stopped using windows in 1997 I hae XP AND 2000 and never used them
483[04:35:06] <terr_> I have 74 GB used up in a 150 GB partition on another system. I am wondering. can I use a system image and store it on an SD? SD is 128 GB - smaller than the HDD
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485[04:36:26] <nyov> you would need a sparse copy. I don't think 'dd' can do that, and I'm not sure how it could be done
486[04:37:10] <terr_> I can shrink the partition first.
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491[04:40:11] <terr_> I would like to make this SD bootable first and install Linux. I wonder how to do this.
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493[04:41:02] <terr_> that drive has 16 MB unallocated. for /boot I need like 200
494[04:41:05] <terr_> right?
495[04:41:34] <nyov> at least a 100MB would be sane
496[04:42:16] <terr_> how do I repartition an exFAT drive?
497[04:42:51] <nyov> like any other drive :P the filesystem is no matter to the partition table
498[04:43:11] <terr_> I have 16 MB. It can hold a rescue version of Linux
499[04:44:29] <terr_> HAve you any odea how poorly NTFS performs on an SD compared to exFAT? and how I can recover the original?
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501[04:45:33] <terr_> Maybe I should use dd to copy the SD into that 150 GB empty D: disk on the other computer first. THen I should be able to copy it right back overtop later if necesary
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503[04:49:20] <nyov> what do you mean by SD?
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505[04:51:48] <terr_> its a removable camera style SD card... not an SSD drive
506[04:53:55] <terr_> this should do it dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -1 -c ./ eeepc.img.gz
507[04:54:07] <terr_> that is going to be one HELLOF big file.
508[04:54:09] <nyov> Well, there really isn't a difference to using NTFS on flash memory instead of exFAT.
509[04:54:23] <terr_> oh really
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511[04:54:50] <terr_> why did I read M$ created exFAT for performance
512[04:55:10] <terr_> maybe M$ created exFAT for $$
513[04:55:12] <joepublic> I can't speculate as to your motivation in reading that
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515[04:56:10] <terr_> joepublic, its like when you get an email from your lawyer. You wonder if its for you. Then when you read it you scratch your and and finally at the bottom it says if this email is not ofr you then please don'
516[04:56:13] <terr_> t read it.
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526[05:05:52] <nyov> well, I guess exFAT would be less write-intensive than NTFS with it's fileattributes. So maybe it's slightly faster
527[05:06:57] <terr_> I wonder if I can format in exFAT - I did not see that option in windows 7. Is it in Linux?
528[05:07:58] <joepublic> that's a pretty good comparison.
529[05:08:04] <nyov> I wouldn't use it for linux
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531[05:08:35] <Kyros> did MS just recently submit some patches for exFAT support to the kernel?
532[05:08:36] <nyov> It's only just recently got linux kernel support.
533[05:08:38] <Kyros> didn't*
534[05:08:44] <nyov> yes
535[05:08:59] <joepublic> FAT and friends recover from errors by plowing over the damaged areas. No high scores for resiliency.
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539[05:12:18] <nyov> And if you want a flash-friendly filesystem in linux, I'd suggest ext4 or xfs. Both are very mature FS
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541[05:12:56] <nyov> well ext4 specifically, if you disable the journaling
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543[05:13:05] <nyov> can't do that with XFS
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546[05:16:14] <terr_> well then I wouldn't want exFAT anyways. If I'm going to back up I prefer Linux becuase its got real tools for real people - not eye candy
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554[05:22:38] <terr_> Damn this is annoying. I can't find the option to back up the drive
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561[05:31:20] <terr_> woop dee do! DAmn stupid windows. I cannot use that SD drive because its not formatted with NTFS. Like they could have told me from the outset
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572[05:39:45] <terr_> Why do I feel like a fungus?
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580[05:47:03] <terr_> I'm goign to go lay down. Thanks for all the help and clarification. I have been up for like 17 hours. But I did have a few breaks
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616[06:19:39] <themill> Is there anything in Debian that can deal with XFA forms in PDFs?
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670[07:16:11] <nyov> themill: I don't know XFA, but have you tried pdftk?
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674[07:18:38] <nyov> if you're comfortable with java code, you could try itext (libitext-java) and replaced-url
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678[07:23:05] <themill> nyov: pdftk can't do xfa
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681[07:24:52] <themill> going to itext for this reminds me of "how you have 2 problems".... but I might have to consider it ;(
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700[07:51:06] <mr_gigabyte> #ubuntu-mate
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909[11:33:31] <Xalys> On Debian, when I have more than one interface in my interfaces file, 'networking' service always fails with "ifup: failed to bring up ens19" yet the interface seems to be getting brought
910[11:33:35] <Xalys> up. The cryptic error msg "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" does not really help. How could I debug this?
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914[11:37:22] <f8e3> does debian have hardware 2auth (eg some opensource kind of yubikey thing)
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917[11:37:33] <f8e3> so that root/sudo password only if device plugged in
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932[11:46:30] <rudi_s> Xalys: Run ifup manually with --verbose and see which commands are executed. "File exists" could happend when you try to configure the same address multiple times.
933[11:46:48] <rudi_s> f8e3: Not out of the box, but you can use yubikey or similar for it with Debian.
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936[11:48:15] <Xalys> rudi_s: that is a good suggestion. Let me try
937[11:48:59] <Xalys> When I run, 'ifup ens19 --verbose', I see it is trying to add the interface's only IP that is already on that interface:
938[11:49:01] <rudi_s> If the interface are already up, first stop them with ifdown; ifdown --all --force should work
939[11:49:20] <Xalys> but this also happens at boot
940[11:49:24] <rudi_s> Pastebin your network/interfaces so we can have a look.
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942[11:49:29] <Xalys> ok, sec
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945[11:52:07] <f8e3> rudi_s i am scared much of: keyloggers, they log all and acees all then, its horrible what todo (beside regular hygiene)
946[11:52:08] <Xalys> rudi_s: replaced-url
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948[11:52:38] <f8e3> what to google to know: if copy paste is effected etc
949[11:52:53] <Xalys> What I have already tried: use 'allow-hotplug' instead of 'auto', only one 'auto' statement per interface. From there on I didn't raelly know how to debug it further.
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953[11:56:08] <ratrace> Xalys: you have multiple gateways. there can be only one.
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955[11:56:47] <ratrace> and pretty sure that set of dns-nameserver directives won't do what you think it does.
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958[11:57:38] <Xalys> That confuses me. Why would it care about gateways belonging to other interfaces?
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960[11:58:28] <Xalys> As far as I know, nameservers set in 'dns-nameservers' are placed in /etc/resolv.conf.
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962[11:59:17] <ratrace> Xalys: you can have only one gateway. a "gateway" is the default route, used when packet destination does not belong to the subnet of individual NICs
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964[11:59:44] <Xalys> ratrace: I see, that makes sense.
965[12:00:11] <Xalys> Would an option be to use a post-up script that manually adds the route for secondary interfaces?
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967[12:00:19] <ratrace> as for dns, yes, they're all added to resolv.conf but tried in order. eg. as long as 173.233..... is responding, the others will never be queried
968[12:00:36] <ratrace> Xalys: route for what? they're added automatically for their respective subnets
969[12:01:10] <Xalys> ratrace: I am aware. That's why I have 'options rotate' set in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head.
970[12:01:22] <ratrace> aight.
971[12:01:52] <Xalys> ratrace: hmm, I don't understand that. How would 'it' know what the gateway is?
972[12:02:03] <Xalys> I know next to nothing about networking, sorry.
973[12:02:04] <ratrace> "it"?
974[12:02:16] <Xalys> the networking daemon, I guess
975[12:02:26] <ratrace> I think you're confusing a gateway here with "other side of the wire for that NIC"
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977[12:02:38] <ratrace> a gateway is literally default route.
978[12:02:44] <Xalys> ah
979[12:02:58] <Xalys> ok, that makes sense
980[12:03:16] <ratrace> for example, if you say that your ethX is in 192.168.1.1/24 subnet, it will know that any packet destined to 192.168.1.1 will go through that NIC. It will also create a route for that /24 subnet. But where will a packet for 8.8.8.8 go to?
981[12:03:38] <ratrace> unless you have an explicit route that packet would match, it'd go to the "gateway", aka the default route.
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984[12:04:40] <Xalys> understand. The 'gateway' directives for all NICs except the one hooked up to the internet (ens18) are useless and should be removed.
985[12:04:56] <ratrace> it's a called a gateway becaues it's sort of a gate-way from LAN (which is NIC's subnet) to WAN (which is everything outside of it)
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990[12:06:17] <ratrace> Xalys: I'm not sure the gateway has to be set for the NIC with physical connection to WAN. I think it just defines a default route so whichever NIC stanza sets it, it'll be used. But I'm not 100% sure on that one.
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992[12:06:54] <ratrace> ah yes, it actually uses the NIC in routing, indeed.
993[12:07:31] <Xalys> yes, it makes sense now knowing what a gateway actually IS :)
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995[12:08:31] <greenride> When using the netinstaller debian-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso, the installer blocks on finding/mounting CD Rom on a machine that does not have an optical drive. Any way around this?
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997[12:09:09] <lotuspsychje> greenride: plop boot manager can force usb boot of you like
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1002[12:11:21] <ratrace> greenride: see replaced-url
1003[12:11:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1008[12:19:21] <greenride> judd: The only reply in 2019 seems to be a financial scam, and the reply in 2017 seems to be about postal delivery. Prior to that are messages in 2014. Is this information still relevant? And, does the problem also exist for the DVD installer?
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1010[12:20:05] <ratrace> you're talking to a bot
1011[12:20:38] <at0m> !bots
1012[12:20:38] <dpkg> We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information; dselect (<dselectbot>) fills in for dpkg. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry.
1013[12:21:19] <ratrace> greenride: which phase exactly does it hang looking for cdrom? the same as in the bug report?
1014[12:21:28] <Xalys> talking to bots is the future
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1016[12:23:32] <greenride> ratrace: It happens right at the beginning. I believe it is before any form of installation has even been attempted. I don't believe it is the same as the bug report.
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1018[12:23:54] <greenride> The bug report seems to indicate a problem later in the install. Also, the bug report is from 2014.
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1021[12:26:10] <ratrace> greenride: can you perhaps post a screenshot to imgur or somewhere?
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1023[12:27:06] <at0m> greenride: i don't think the installer itself seen so many updates. but yea 2014 is old
1024[12:27:18] <nvz> idk the exact issues but more often than not those kinds of problems are due to badly written media
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1027[12:27:42] <nvz> I have issues myself.. had to write a wheezy ISO 3 times last night before it worked..
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1040[12:36:52] <greenride> ratrace: working on getting the screenshots - there isn't a functional desktop on that machine to take snapshots. So, I need to transfer the pictures.
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1059[12:52:14] <b1ack0p> hi
1060[12:52:22] <b1ack0p> why cant i install pinta in debian10?
1061[12:52:40] <at0m> ,v pinta
1062[12:52:41] <judd> Package: pinta on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3-3; sid: 1.6-2; stretch: 1.6-2
1063[12:52:53] <b1ack0p> no on buster?
1064[12:52:59] <at0m> seems there isn't.
1065[12:53:03] <b1ack0p> shyte
1066[12:53:11] <b1ack0p> why?
1067[12:53:16] <at0m> mind your language please
1068[12:53:22] <at0m> why, idk. check the buglists?
1069[12:53:52] <b1ack0p> interestingg...
1070[12:54:05] <b1ack0p> ok any good alternative for m$ paint in linux?
1071[12:54:16] <b1ack0p> which i can corp/edit/resize images?
1072[12:54:26] <nvz> depends, do you also use gimp?
1073[12:54:46] <b1ack0p> i have gimp but for basic corp and resize it s too advanced
1074[12:54:54] <b1ack0p> and i dont know how to on gimp
1075[12:54:59] <b1ack0p> complicated a bit
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1077[12:55:06] <nvz> yeah well the issue is, the best paint like tool I know of will remove gimp
1078[12:55:27] <cbilt> if there is no package for my debian version, what does that mean?
1079[12:55:28] <nvz> there may be a similiar conflict with this pinta thing
1080[12:55:36] <cbilt> no one upgraded/updated it yet or it was discontinued?
1081[12:55:40] <ratrace> b1ack0p: it's _really_ not that difficult to crop and resize in gimp, did you even try learning how?
1082[12:55:42] <at0m> gimp's indeed heavy for simple tasks.. for batch resize i've used convert, part of img??
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1084[12:55:42] <cbilt> specifically it's gnu-smalltalk and there is no buster version
1085[12:55:45] <b1ack0p> i really need something like paint
1086[12:55:58] <nvz> ,v gnu-smalltalk
1087[12:55:59] <judd> Package: gnu-smalltalk on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.4-2.1; stretch: 3.2.5-1+b3; bullseye: 3.2.5-1.3+b1; sid: 3.2.5-1.3+b1
1088[12:56:03] <ratrace> at0m: convert is ImageMagick
1089[12:56:04] <at0m> fwiw, paint doesn't resize
1090[12:56:14] <b1ack0p> ratrace: i have an image looks like table and i need to divide it
1091[12:56:18] <cbilt> if i can do something to help i would like to
1092[12:56:19] <b1ack0p> to equal pieces
1093[12:56:20] <at0m> ratrace: ah, indeed, slipped my mind
1094[12:56:21] <b1ack0p> crop
1095[12:56:43] <ratrace> b1ack0p: gimp has an option for that too iirc
1096[12:56:43] <at0m> crop i do w gwenview
1097[12:56:44] <nvz> mogrify -crop 200x200+20+20 foo.jpg
1098[12:57:07] <at0m> that is, just crop some pics before i share or so
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1102[12:57:23] <b1ack0p> what i mean is i need to crop like columns/cells in equal pieces
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1104[12:57:58] <b1ack0p> i mean i will create multiple images part of the big image
1105[12:58:06] <greenride> ratrace: replaced-url
1106[12:58:19] <nvz> b1ack0p: are the dimensions always the same?
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1109[12:59:00] <at0m> if so, convert is really great for batches
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1112[12:59:17] <b1ack0p> nvz: i need equal sizes
1113[12:59:26] <b1ack0p> for example there is an image 800x600 pc
1114[12:59:27] <b1ack0p> px
1115[12:59:36] <ratrace> greenride: but there IS no cd-rom drive? you're booting off of USB?
1116[12:59:37] <b1ack0p> i wanna divide about 4 pieces
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1118[13:00:06] <nvz> b1ack0p: so regardless of the size, you want to chop it relative to the dimensions the same all the time?
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1120[13:00:23] <ratrace> b1ack0p: replaced-url
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1122[13:00:33] <ratrace> or script somethign with ImageMagick
1123[13:00:34] <b1ack0p> nvz: yes
1124[13:00:54] <b1ack0p> if i had paint it would be really easy
1125[13:01:08] <nvz> b1ack0p: then yes, we can script this with imagemagick.. what kind of interface are you looking for? something that just runs on all files in a directory?
1126[13:01:30] <b1ack0p> i wanna crop manually
1127[13:01:32] <ratrace> b1ack0p: look at the link above, there's a plugin for gimp unless you want to script IM
1128[13:01:48] <ratrace> or use the guidelines approach in the same post, if you want "manually"
1129[13:02:11] <b1ack0p> you know in m$ paint you can select area to crop and it shows dimension below the area you selected
1130[13:02:37] <ratrace> gimp does too
1131[13:02:40] <nvz> yeah well gimp allows you to lock the crop to an aspect and all sorts of things
1132[13:02:43] <b1ack0p> if i attend equal dimension in gimp it may ruin the image
1133[13:02:52] <b1ack0p> it contains pictures too inside
1134[13:02:58] <b1ack0p> small pictures in tables
1135[13:03:08] <ratrace> I think this is really a non-existent problem for #debian
1136[13:03:23] <b1ack0p> well i just wanted to install looks like paint
1137[13:03:38] <at0m> paint doesnt do that :p
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1139[13:03:44] <b1ack0p> does
1140[13:03:49] <ratrace> !info krita
1141[13:03:53] <at0m> ok too long since i used it then
1142[13:03:54] <dpkg> krita: (pixel-based image manipulation program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.8.2+dfsg-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 21740 kB, Installed size: 96998 kB
1143[13:04:01] <b1ack0p> at least it lets me select area and copy paste in new place
1144[13:04:16] <nvz> mypaint is the closest to mspaint I've seen in debian but it'll remove gimp
1145[13:04:19] <ratrace> hmm no package for krita, but you can try the snap, if you wanna try Krita instead of Gimp
1146[13:04:35] <b1ack0p> nvz: why would it remove gimp?
1147[13:04:41] <nvz> sounds to me like a simple script is called for in this particular case though
1148[13:04:54] <nvz> b1ack0p: due to a package conflict in their dependencies
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1150[13:05:06] <b1ack0p> ...
1151[13:05:17] <b1ack0p> why everything is so complicated with linux?
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1153[13:05:46] <b1ack0p> !info krita
1154[13:05:48] <dpkg> krita: (pixel-based image manipulation program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.8.2+dfsg-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 21740 kB, Installed size: 96998 kB
1155[13:05:51] <ratrace> so that people who don't even want to learn can stay on windows
1156[13:06:04] <nvz> or MacOS
1157[13:06:10] <ratrace> or macos, ye
1158[13:06:26] <oiaohm> replaced-url
1159[13:06:26] <b1ack0p> installing krita
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1161[13:06:43] <b1ack0p> it looks big app too
1162[13:06:47] <oiaohm> If you are running like stable that does not have that version yet.
1163[13:06:54] <nvz> ,v krita
1164[13:06:55] <judd> Package: krita on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1+b2; stretch: 1:3.1.1+dfsg-1; buster: 1:4.1.7+dfsg-1+b1; bullseye: 1:4.2.8.2+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 1:4.2.8.2+dfsg-1+b1
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1166[13:07:10] <ratrace> oh there IS a package.... why does !info only list sid
1167[13:08:01] <nvz> thats all it has ever done
1168[13:08:15] <nvz> its for information.. information is best when current.. current version is in sid
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1170[13:09:10] <b1ack0p> thx
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1172[13:09:43] <b1ack0p> see ya later
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1177[13:12:44] <f8e3> anyone using a procedure here: replaced-url
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1183[13:16:42] <Xalys> Regarding 'dns-nameservers' directive in /etc/network/interfaces, what happens to 'dns-nameservers' that are not defined in the first stanza?
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1214[13:40:54] <greenrideme> ratrace: I got disconnected from debian channel. Did you have a comment about the issue where the net installer is looking for a cd-rom that doesn't exist?
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1307[15:00:45] <bigterd> i'm having a really annoying, frustring, and cannot figure out problem with network shares and permissions with samba
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1310[15:00:58] <bigterd> i've opened up as loose as i can get it, and i'm still baffeled of the results.
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1313[15:01:38] <bigterd> on samba client, i can create folders, files, and read folders, and files. i can open files, save them, but then end up blank (reading from client and on the server itself), yet the client's application says the save was successful.. wtf!?!
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1333[15:25:29] <terr_> My Lord but windows is ONE BIG POS! I did as backup. took like 8 hours. Its quit. No feed back what so ever. No errors. No warnings. No confirmation it completed. No feedback if it didn't complete. Now that is a POS!
1334[15:25:45] <terr_> And they want Money for it.
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1336[15:26:42] <jim> well linux kicked their ass pretty good
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1338[15:28:18] <jim> by contrast, you should try borg backup
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1340[15:28:49] <GNU\colossus> or restic
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1357[15:34:42] <luv> hi i just downloaded firefox-esr_68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1_amd64.deb how i can show/verify the gpg signature please ?
1358[15:35:17] <luv> neither dpkg-sig debsigs debsig-verify works for me
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1360[15:37:20] <jim> are binary packages signed now?
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1374[15:46:43] <ksk> luv: why do you download a package, instead of installing it via apt?
1375[15:46:52] <ksk> aka "what are you really trying to do?"
1376[15:47:19] <luv> im try to verify the package signature (if any)
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1378[15:47:41] <luv> actually im just trying to find out if the package is signed or not
1379[15:49:31] <ksk> apt does that for you, so I can only repeat my question..
1380[15:49:58] <ksk> see replaced-url
1381[15:50:37] <luv> im trying to find out if a .deb file is signed or not
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1383[15:51:47] <luv> i dont know apt well enough - what exactly should i do to verify .deb file's signature? Yes I read that that's why i'm saying neither dpkg-sig debsigs debsig-verify works for me :)
1384[15:51:59] <ksk> !doesnotwork
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1386[15:52:34] <ksk> eh. does not work is not a technical statement. what did you do, what happend, and what did you expect to happen instead?
1387[15:52:43] <luv> lol
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1389[15:52:53] <luv> its fine you dont know either man :)
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1391[15:53:05] <ksk> use paste.debian.org to share commands used and output.
1392[15:53:16] <luv> ive been using and hacking on deb for years i dont know too ... no need to feel bad :)
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1394[15:54:05] <ksk> replaced-url
1395[15:54:16] <f8e3> what is a simple mail client on debian that syncs to a certain filedir?
1396[15:54:35] <ksk> you are imho not telling me why you do that for a reason (you are in fact doing something we would advise against?) so I am not going to just answer your question :>
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1398[15:55:01] <ksk> f8e3: mutt? define simple :P
1399[15:55:12] <luv> yeah sure
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1402[15:56:13] <ksk> the second and third paragraph of the handbook do answer your question btw
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1406[15:58:34] <f8e3> ksk: anyone using a procedure here: replaced-url
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1411[16:00:13] <ksk> f8e3: I do not quite understand the question, but as your IMAP client will need to have the password for the mail account and needs to send that through (ssl encrypted?) internet, I dont really see how a smartcard would help here..
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1413[16:00:45] <ksk> you would need "two factor support" at mailserver-side - if you are into security ;)
1414[16:00:49] <centrix> How can I get options a package was configured with (Buster)?
1415[16:01:15] <luv> so individual .deb files are not signed?
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1419[16:02:21] <f8e3> ksk its a seperate question: how to circumvent keyloggers or at least detect, whats the bitstream recorded by such programs, even teh clipboard maybe?
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1423[16:06:50] <ksk> luv: no, they are not. but for evey package there are hashes in release file - which in turn is signed
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1425[16:07:21] <ksk> so you get the release file, make sure it has not been tempered with, and then compare the hash for package X with the hash you get from the .deb
1426[16:07:40] <ksk> f8e3: I dont think that is possible ;)
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1442[16:21:36] <centrix> OK. I'm having troubles passing arguments with "check_nrpe" to my nrpe-server-3.2.1-2. Was build without allowing passing arguments? Thank you.
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1447[16:24:47] <jim> centrix, what troubles are you having, exactly?
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1449[16:25:20] <ksk> centrix: the debian version does not allow that, as its a huuge security hole.
1450[16:25:31] <ksk> (as far as I know, has been some days I used nagios)
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1454[16:27:05] <centrix> jim, ksk, Thank you. I found out some words about that here: replaced-url
1455[16:27:40] <centrix> Using a package in the first stage, but if admins insist on passing arguments I'll have to custom-build :)
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1457[16:28:25] <centrix> Unless they "have ears" and brains to respect security objections.
1458[16:28:33] <jim> seems that way
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1461[16:29:06] <jim> if /dev/null between ears, maybe not :)
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1465[16:30:06] <centrix> what about "/dev/dull"
1466[16:30:23] <jim> nevermind, dumb joke :)
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1468[16:31:02] <centrix> jim, :) particularly: "NRPE: Command 'check_tx_tcp!192.168.1.45!8671' not defined"
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1472[16:31:46] <centrix> But never mind. If disabled I'll hadrwire. We'll see what happens.
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1475[16:32:05] <jim> that might be a different problem
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1478[16:35:29] <centrix> jim, definition was "check_tcp -H $ARG1$ -p $ARG2$". I passwd as -a IP_123 8671
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1480[16:37:24] <centrix> Defining as cmdXYZ -H IP_123 -p $ARG1$ = Same scenario. Options -a 8671. Result: "check_tx_tcp!8671" not defined.
1481[16:37:51] <centrix> dont_blame_nrpe=1
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1486[16:40:48] <Mazhive> hello guys does a nfs folder need to be 777 to have nfs control over permission
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1488[16:41:57] <SpeedyG> my first hunch would be no.. but i'm no expert on nfs
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1497[16:45:43] <Mazhive> i have tested it out with a testing folder ..and if i set the folder to lets say 755 and give a certain pc(ip) rw options in the exports(serverside) i do not have write permissions on this client side
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1503[16:50:39] <ksk> Mazhive: afaik you need to match UID/GID on both client and server
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1506[16:51:00] <ksk> like, have a user with id 1500 on nfs server, make him able to write there with ownership/permissions
1507[16:51:10] <ksk> then you have to create a uer with the same 1500 ID on the client machine
1508[16:51:25] <ksk> 777 is just never the answer P
1509[16:51:26] <ksk> :P
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1511[16:52:16] <Mazhive> both uid and gid are the same
1512[16:53:01] <Mazhive> i know (777) thats why i ask how to figure this out
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1514[16:54:03] <ksk> then I suggest pasting "ls -la /mountpoint" , "touch /mountpoint/blafoo", "id" - on both client and server
1515[16:54:06] <ksk> !paste
1516[16:54:06] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1517[16:54:33] <ksk> eh, maybe add a comment that gives us untranslated uid rather than usernames.
1518[16:54:38] <ksk> s/comment/command
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1520[16:57:10] <Mazhive> ksk: following is set on a (serverside) drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K Jan 19 11:30 TEST and export file /path/server 192.168.4.14(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
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1527[16:59:05] <Mazhive> client side has same attribs and ownership
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1539[17:08:17] <Mazhive> ksk: should it be ls -la "/mountpoint" instead of "ls -la /mountpoint" because i get a no such directory error
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1546[17:10:19] <Mazhive> i need to us the -n flag to see user id
1547[17:10:24] <Mazhive> id is 0
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1551[17:13:42] <jim> that would make it root
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1557[17:16:43] <Mazhive> yes the server side folder ownership is root as i said
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1562[17:19:52] <Mazhive> so i have to make a group to let a certain group have rwx and or rw acces and us a ownership of a diffrent user member of this group... am i right ?
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1568[17:25:50] <ksk> eh? basic unix permission apply, with the addition that uids need to match client<->servre
1569[17:26:09] <ksk> also, you did not supply the information I asked for.
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1610[17:58:16] <Mazhive> Ksk sorry but i cant i get a error not such directory or file
1611[17:58:29] <ksk> eh?
1612[17:58:48] <ksk> /mountpoint is supposed to be a placeholder, for what you call the directory to which nfs is mounted to
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1615[17:59:54] <Mazhive> "ls -la /mountpoint" , "touch /mountpoint/blafoo", "id"
1616[17:59:54] <Mazhive> -bash: ls -la /mountpoint: No such file or directory
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1619[18:00:15] <Mazhive> i have replace yours with mine ofcourse
1620[18:00:43] <Mazhive> "ls -la /mnt/NFS" , "touch /mnt/NFS", "id"
1621[18:00:43] <Mazhive> -bash: ls -la /mnt/NFS: No such file or directory
1622[18:00:52] <ksk> are you root?
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1625[18:01:44] <Mazhive> as user / and as root sudo: ls -la /mnt/NFS: command not foun
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1627[18:02:26] <ksk> you should maybe get some unix linux debian basics before setting up a NFS-share. Im out
1628[18:02:29] <ksk> !handbook
1629[18:02:29] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
1630[18:02:54] <Mazhive> so i thought you made a typo and used ls -la "/mnt/NFS" etc..
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1632[18:04:34] <Mazhive> i know the basics sorry , i have more then 10 years experience in linux basics.. so i know alot .. i do appreciate your help...
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1634[18:04:51] <ksk> if you are not able to call ls on a path, I can only doubt that, sorry.
1635[18:05:44] <Mazhive> oke maybe you meant
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1637[18:06:17] <Mazhive> ls -la /mnt/NFS , touch /mnt/NFS, "id"
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1642[18:09:09] <Mazhive> "ls -la /mountpoint" because this part is not giving me the right output you expect.
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1649[18:11:25] <Mazhive> but any wa thank you for your input i know what i have to do you answered my question , so thankx for you help
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1669[18:16:21] <Bl4ckVelvet> hey
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1700[18:31:44] <mok> hi!
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1706[18:34:43] <mok> i pressed sudo lpinfo -v
1707[18:34:55] <mok> direct usb://XEROX/Phaser%203100MFP?serial=L510177LE676394
1708[18:34:59] <mok> i got this as answer
1709[18:35:07] <mok> direct usb://XEROX/Phaser%203100MFP?serial=L510177LE676394
1710[18:35:21] <mok> ok so lpinfo finds this printer that was just plugged in
1711[18:35:37] <mok> however when I try to use other PRINT commands on THE COMMAND LINE
1712[18:35:56] <mok> it says that it doesn't like the name
1713[18:36:08] <mok> how do i make this printer print something with LPR
1714[18:36:10] <mok> ?
1715[18:36:57] <Mazhive> did you install cups ?
1716[18:37:19] <mok> no
1717[18:37:29] <mok> brb
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1728[18:42:49] <mok> yes its installed
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1733[18:45:52] <mok> I should install arch linux
1734[18:46:01] <mok> they seem to not sell out
1735[18:46:05] <mok> .i.
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1747[18:52:16] <dob1> I have a strange encoding problem. my encoding it_IT.UTF-8, when I connect via ssh to a pc and I read a file that uses utf8 I don't see accents with less, then I transfer the file to my pc, less and I see the accents
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1749[18:52:46] <dob1> the pc where I connect use en_GB.UTF-8 but it's still uft8
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1753[18:56:43] <dob1> ah I have to export the locale before connecting to this pc, so if before ssh I do export LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8
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1756[18:57:10] <dob1> so is UTF-8 so differnet?
1757[18:57:20] <dob1> for it_IT to en_GB ?
1758[18:57:27] <frostschutz> dob1, which terminal? ssh/server tends to assume the worst when you login with an unknown-to-server terminal. echo $TERM
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1760[18:58:50] <dob1> frostschutz, xterm or screen or xterm256
1761[18:59:16] <dob1> frostschutz, did you read my update? I have to export the locale before connecting to the host.... it seems very strange
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1763[19:00:14] <ratrace> dob1: ssh server, at least on debian, by default accepts locale from the client. if you didn't enable it_IT on the server too, it'll fallback to C iirc
1764[19:00:46] <dob1> ratrace, but when I connect and I use locale I get the server locale
1765[19:00:52] <ratrace> you can also force export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 in your server shell's .bashrc
1766[19:00:52] <dob1> not C
1767[19:00:56] <ratrace> or whtaever shell you use
1768[19:01:11] <ratrace> dob1: you sure? `locale` shows that for LC_ALL?
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1770[19:01:30] <ratrace> for LANG, not LC_ALL sorry
1771[19:03:00] <dob1> ratrace, ok on the pc, locale shows it_IT.UTF-8, I ssh to the server,LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 but there is a message "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory"
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1773[19:03:35] <ratrace> dob1: dpkg-reconfigure locales and enable the locales you want
1774[19:03:45] <ratrace> and set default
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1779[19:06:52] <dob1> ratrace, the locale it_IT was not enabled on the server, I added it and it was fixed but other than this I have a doubt now: UFT8 it's not always the same?
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1784[19:07:33] <dob1> the file is the same, infact when I transfer it to my pc I was able to read it even if the locale was different but still utf8
1785[19:07:42] <dob1> it's always so confusing encondig issues
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1788[19:08:35] <ratrace> UTF8 is UTF8 but the problem is openssh taking locale from client unless you disable that setting, which then borks the locale for that session if it's not enabled on the server
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1794[19:10:48] <dob1> ratrace, ok but then when on a windows pc (mine doesn't use uft8) I connect via putty to the same server I do less file I see it? I don't have any non-utf8 locale enabled on the server
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1796[19:11:55] <dob1> maybe putty does something that normal ssh connection via terminal doesn't do
1797[19:12:17] <ratrace> dob1: I don't know what putty does, probably sends no locale specific ENV
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1799[19:12:35] <ratrace> they're both "normal" in that they're OpenSSH protocol connections.
1800[19:12:48] <b1ack0p> hi
1801[19:13:52] <dob1> ratrace, ok maybe it's this
1802[19:14:30] <ratrace> dob1: you can simply disable AcceptEnv LANG LC_* in your sshd_config and then client's locale won't matter
1803[19:15:03] <dob1> ratrace, in .ssh/config too?
1804[19:15:14] <ratrace> no it's a server side setting
1805[19:15:50] <dob1> ratrace, well I cannot then
1806[19:16:31] <ratrace> I mean yes you can use SendEnv client side, but my point was if you disable that server-side, then it won't matter what clients set, you'll have a persistent environment
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1808[19:17:54] <dob1> ratrace, I got it and thansk for the hint but it's not my server :/
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1811[19:18:35] <J0hnnyW4lker> hey
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1814[19:20:39] <J0hnnyW4lker> helllo
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1817[19:21:10] <ratrace> dob1: then force whatever locale you want via LANG export in your shell rc on the server
1818[19:21:19] <J0hnnyW4lker> what??
1819[19:21:22] <J0hnnyW4lker> wht?
1820[19:21:27] <ratrace> dob1: assuming that locale is enabled system-wide on the server
1821[19:21:29] <Aebian> can you recommend a rdp program to connect from my debian machine to MS systems?
1822[19:21:50] <ratrace> Aebian: Remina?
1823[19:22:01] <ratrace> *remmina
1824[19:22:15] <J0hnnyW4lker> im new here and dont know whats happend here
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1826[19:22:35] <Aebian> hmmm yeah I guess it is not on the official debian repo is it?
1827[19:22:37] <dob1> ratrace, but it's ok, I got how to deal with this issue :)
1828[19:22:52] <ratrace> ,v remmina
1829[19:22:54] <judd> Package: remmina on amd64 -- jessie: 1.1.1-2; stretch-backports: 1.3.3+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.3.3+dfsg-2; buster-backports: 1.3.10+dfsg-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.3.10+dfsg-1; sid: 1.3.10+dfsg-1
1830[19:23:02] <ratrace> 'tis :)
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1832[19:23:30] <Aebian> yeah spelling is your friend thanks
1833[19:23:36] <Aebian> found it now
1834[19:23:57] <J0hnnyW4lker> where can i find hackers
1835[19:24:18] <sponix> J0hnnyW4lker: search the channels list
1836[19:24:20] <ratrace> in your local video store, maybe on netflix. amazon definitely.
1837[19:24:31] <sponix> ratrace: good one ;)
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1839[19:24:37] <sponix> "hackers 1995"
1840[19:24:40] <ratrace> ya :)
1841[19:24:48] <sponix> lol
1842[19:24:52] <J0hnnyW4lker> thancks spnix
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1849[19:28:08] <sponix2ipfw> ratrace: that RDP stuff must be a common question. Just had it pop up in the Mint support the other day
1850[19:28:51] <ratrace> dunno, last time I had to recommend remmina was sometime last year
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1857[19:31:21] <troys> 22
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1862[19:34:34] <J0hnnyW4lker> .
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1866[19:35:47] <thr> hi I got issue with oracle Virtual box, I installed the additional package drivers enabled the biderectional copying yet still Im unable to copy and paste between host and vm. other problem I got with vm ware workstation, I cannot open ova files via file open / taht ova file it does not work , Im trying it on linux, please can anybody help?
1867[19:37:08] <Mathisen> thr, you need guest additions installed in the guest OS also to have biderectional working
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1875[19:43:39] <thr> Mathisen I firstly installed the package additions by opening it in oracle vm box and it installed it succesfully but when was not working I tried to install by sudo apt-install that addition pack and it installed some packages
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1878[19:45:02] <Mathisen> im not sure what you mean by addition pack. this is what you need atleast vbox + extension pack on the host OS and in guest OS the guest additions
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1885[19:49:22] <eggbean> I can find and use the apt package for the cloudflare plugin (python3-certbot-dns-cloudflare), but I cannot find the apt package for the google cloud platform plugin?
1886[19:50:27] <eggbean> re: certbot plugins
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1888[19:50:40] <thr> that additions pack with drivers and additional bs shit to make your vms work better yes extension pack, wait extension pack on host os?
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1892[19:51:32] <thr> I had vbox + extension pack intalled in the vms how can I install it on my host?
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1896[19:52:27] <sponix> thr: in vbox main go to file, then prefs, then extensions
1897[19:52:48] <apollo13> the extension pack is just for usb and some remote desktop stuff, generally you shouldn't need it afaiks
1898[19:52:56] <apollo13> also be aware of the license of the extension pack
1899[19:53:08] <sponix> yes, it will eat your soul
1900[19:53:12] <thr> @sponix its there
1901[19:53:44] <apollo13> thr: for what did you install it at all? bidirectional copy is a question of guest drivers not extension pack
1902[19:54:10] <sponix> thr: what are your Host OS, your VM Guest OS, and exactly what are you trying to accomplish ?
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1904[19:54:24] <thr> I just need to copy and paste passwords from my password manager into the vm , this is the single reason why I installed it I have biderectional enabled too and its still not working, I think such a feature should work out of box
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1906[19:54:44] <sponix> thr: for bi-directional XYZ you should install the "Guess Editions" inside the VM, and toggle the BI stuff in the Menu of the Guest VM
1907[19:54:49] <apollo13> thr: then uninstall it, you don't need the extension
1908[19:55:28] <eggbean> The package seems to be available on sid. It's not available on stretch?
1909[19:55:31] <eggbean> replaced-url
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1912[19:55:42] <thr> apollo13 but its not working at all :( I remember it having it on other machine and never had problem with it
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1915[19:56:12] <apollo13> thr: but certainly not as a result of the extension pack, do what sponix tells you to do
1916[19:56:16] <charon> hi
1917[19:56:32] <thr> @sponix so it is the additional package or where can I find this guess editions ?
1918[19:56:46] <demigeek> hi all, I have question?
1919[19:56:51] <thr> apollo13 where can I find the file to download it please?
1920[19:56:59] <charon> yo
1921[19:57:04] <thr> you know what I meant :D
1922[19:57:08] <apollo13> thr: search for virtual box guest additions or something
1923[19:57:10] <charon> does any one know any fb bruteforce
1924[19:57:13] <demigeek> I have a tar file and when i extract that tar file via the Command Line, i end up with a folder containing multiple RAR files. My question to your most knowledgeable minds, is this, can you extract the tar file and its multiple RAR contents in one command?
1925[19:57:17] <apollo13> in your package manager
1926[19:57:17] <sponix> thr: Oh, in the Guest VM -- you 1st need to unmount any ISO you have for your CD Drive
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1929[19:57:51] <charon> does anyone know any fb bruteforce
1930[19:57:55] <sponix> thr: Then you need to to "Devices" and "Insert Guest Editions CD" select from the menu
1931[19:58:06] <thr> bro thats the thign sponix I already did it, unmounted it., and still . guest additions is in those overall preferences settings and both in vm options
1932[19:58:12] <thr> when v ms are loaded
1933[19:58:28] <thr> but I didnt installed guest editions to the host
1934[19:58:37] <sponix> thr: you actually installed the Guest editions ? And it is a version that matches up with your vbox ?
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1936[19:59:02] <sponix> thr: No, Guest editions only go in the Guest VM -- Not on the host
1937[19:59:08] <thr> when I push insert error happens, @sponix, yes I did all this before, it was version from vmware site
1938[19:59:14] <thr> virtual box
1939[19:59:15] <thr> I mean
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1941[19:59:44] <sponix> thr: And you have restarted the Guest VM afterwards ?
1942[20:00:06] <thr> extension pack 6.1.0r135406 version
1943[20:00:12] <thr> yes multiple times
1944[20:00:49] <sponix> thr: lol -- seems your are doing the correct steps... I place my best on it is your version of vbox that is busted ;)
1945[20:00:59] <thr> I even tried to uninstal it but when reinstalled it loaded the same settings, vms and everything
1946[20:00:59] <sponix> thr: I'm still on 6.0.14 for this reason
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1948[20:01:24] <sponix> the early point releases of vbox tend to be unreliable junk IMHO
1949[20:01:32] <thr> can I somehow fix it @sponix ?
1950[20:01:40] <KOLANICH> Hi. Why do we still use pytho 3.7 instead of 3.8?
1951[20:01:45] <joepublic> "somehow" covers a lot of ground
1952[20:01:48] <KOLANICH> *python
1953[20:01:55] <thr> uninstal it completely and install the earlier version? sponix
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1956[20:02:28] <sponix> thr: Try to purge vbox, and just install 6.0.14 (or later) from their website, do its extension pack also, then do the Guest Additions again -- and give it another shot
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1961[20:03:14] <sponix> thr: I was running 5.2.24 until just recently ...
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1963[20:04:10] <sponix> KOLANICH: because Debian chooses stability over higher version numbers. If you want the latest and greatest version numbers of everything -- Run Arch
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1965[20:04:31] <thr> Freakin oracle early releases made my sunday wasteful all day long :D btw guest additions and extension pack are not the same thing? I only found extension pack to download from vmbox site
1966[20:05:41] <sponix> thr: no, they are not the same thing. You just get vbox itself, and the extension pack that matches the same version. Install them both, and the Guest Additions is only what you select from the menu of your VM to install them inside it
1967[20:06:28] <sponix> thr: I am running Linux Guest, Inside Linux Host right now -- and that works fine. If I feel energetic I'll do Windows 10 Guest also, and see if that works for me
1968[20:06:33] <KOLANICH> sponix: I use debian (in fact ubuntu) not for stability, but for large number of software and hardware supporting this distro
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1970[20:06:52] <sponix> KOLANICH: congrats
1971[20:06:59] <ratrace> !sns
1972[20:06:59] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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1978[20:09:32] <ratrace> KOLANICH: are you confusing me for a bot?
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1981[20:10:03] <joepublic> That's like saying I drive a porsche (in fact a 1968 VW beetle) not for blah blah
1982[20:10:24] <thr> @sponix how can I purge it easily I cannot find it via dpkg
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1984[20:11:22] <BadCOMRADE> If you're going to stab something, always make sure to stab and twist the knife. If you stab without twisting it will just leave a slit that can easily be mended. If you twist it leaves a hole that can't be so easily mended.
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1988[20:11:39] <joepublic> !ops BadCOMRADE babblespam
1989[20:11:39] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: joepublic complains about a problem (see above)
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1992[20:12:30] <thr> BadCOMRADE guess thats what men do to women when having intercourse
1993[20:12:35] <ratrace> while at the subject of ops, KOLANICH is trying to msg spam me, though I blocked him
1994[20:13:24] <joepublic> dpkg: ubuntu is not debian
1995[20:13:24] <dpkg> is not debian: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
1996[20:13:36] <sponix> thr: run "dpkg -l | grep virtualbox" and then "sudo apt purge virtualbox*"
1997[20:13:42] <thr> sponix is there some uninstaller that can get ut away?
1998[20:13:42] <BadCOMRADE> thr i do it all the time
1999[20:14:07] <sponix> thr: you can actually just run it with the * at the end, but if you want to do the specific packages then you can list them 1st, and fill them in specifically in the 2nd statement
2000[20:14:10] <thr> thx @sponix
2001[20:14:32] <BadCOMRADE> If you could suck your own dick, would it feel more like getting your dick sucked or more like suckin a dick?
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2005[20:15:58] <thr> BadCOMRADE she must bleed often :D man ? wtf ? you know how it feels really? like tasting your dick out of curiosity and feels corny as fuck because internally you know you are wrong for that and that it should be a fine hoe suckin that power pole when extended
2006[20:16:26] <ratrace> oh another retardo
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2008[20:16:30] <ratrace> !ops
2009[20:16:30] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
2010[20:16:46] <KOLANICH> ratrace: are 4 messages 2 of which are bot commands (I have mistakingly confused him to a bot) 1 is "sorry" and 1 is an answer to a question really considered to be "msg spam"?
2011[20:16:57] <sponix> thr: please do not bait the trolls
2012[20:17:03] <joepublic> like "ops thr offtopic nonsense"
2013[20:17:19] <ratrace> KOLANICH: yup, now go away.
2014[20:17:27] <thr> BadCOMRADE so all Im trying to say stop doing it :D cuz it will cost you in the end
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2016[20:17:42] <thr> @sponix ok back to solving it :)
2017[20:17:43] <KOLANICH> thanks anyway
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2019[20:18:09] <joepublic> etiquette tip: don't msg without permission
2020[20:18:20] <thr> sponix shows me no file in such directory :(
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2023[20:18:41] <sponix> thr: wait one
2024[20:18:42] <ratrace> joepublic: +g ftw, and it's extra funny when you see them try over and over and over
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2027[20:19:31] <thr> usr/share and /docs have some virtual box files
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2030[20:20:28] <thr> @sponix not sure If I mentioned that Im using mint
2031[20:20:52] <sponix> thr: run this in terminal: dpkg -l | grep virtualbox | nc termbin.com 9999 .. It should return a list that looks similar to this replaced-url
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2033[20:21:17] <sponix> thr: for your Host OS -- Or for the Guest VM ?
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2035[20:22:06] <thr> sponix host ost guest is ubuntu
2036[20:22:14] <thr> it returned me a link should I post it here?
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2039[20:22:22] <sponix> thr: sure
2040[20:22:31] <thr> -l | grep virtualbox | nc termbin.com 9999
2041[20:22:31] <thr> replaced-url
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2043[20:22:36] <naptastic> Can I use multiple 'd-i preseed/late_command'?
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2045[20:23:03] <sponix> thr: and for the record. with Mint the Hexchat from the welcome screen is configured to join #LinuxMint-help on irc.spotchat.org already. And that is most likely the place you should be lol
2046[20:23:20] <ratrace> and for the recordier record, mint is not supported here, nor is buntu
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2049[20:24:17] <thr> @sponix the link is not working I tried to join
2050[20:24:24] <thr> but it shows me unable to connect
2051[20:24:52] <thr> got it thx guys
2052[20:24:57] <sponix> thr: in terminal run "sudo apt purge virtualbox-6.1" ... Then just go into the Mint "Software Manager" and install vbox from inside there -- It will be an older version, but should work fine for you
2053[20:26:09] <sponix> thr: for further support in irc run "/server irc.spotchat.org" and then /join #LinuxMint-chat ... I am over there also, and it is the spot you should be at
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2059[20:30:21] <naptastic> <opinion> VirtualBox 5.2 is better than 6.x </opinion>
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2070[20:35:02] <sponix> naptastic: Yep, 5.2.X still likely works better than 6.0.14 and for sure better than 6.1.2 or whatever
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2072[20:35:58] <naptastic> I had to rebuild some VMs when I switched back. Then I realized how silly I was being, and switched to libvirt.
2073[20:36:17] <joepublic> for somereason I use aqemu and like it
2074[20:36:37] <sponix> joepublic: better than virt-manager ?
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2077[20:36:50] <joepublic> i like it better than virt-manager
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2080[20:37:04] * naptastic looks up aqemu
2081[20:37:14] <sponix> naptastic: I run vbox for a silly reason. I spend most of my free time schooling n00bz -- and vbox is normally a better fit for them
2082[20:37:20] <joepublic> i think it's because it feels more like a vbox that just has 476 tabs full of 15632 options
2083[20:37:31] <sponix> naptastic: it is another kvm/qemu frontend
2084[20:38:59] <naptastic> Hahahaha... vbox definitely has its advantages in terms of usability (bridged networking, for example) but I outgrew it. There's a use case for everything, or nobody would be using it!
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2096[20:44:25] <sponix> naptastic: yeah, I've been to lazy to hand jam setting up the bridge for lib-virt honestly. Otherwise I would have at least some of my VM's running kvm
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2116[20:56:27] <eggbean> If I install the latest tmux debian package from sid/bullseye, on stretch, everything would be okay? It would still be better than compiling it from source?
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2121[20:57:54] <sponix> eggbean: should be fine
2122[20:57:57] <ratrace> eggbean: probably not as it wants specific version of libevent which has large rdep list.
2123[20:58:11] <sponix> ratrace: Oof
2124[20:58:12] <ratrace> !ssb
2125[20:58:12] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2128[20:58:39] <eggbean> Okay, thanks
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2130[20:59:38] <sponix> ratrace: so the recommendation is to built it from source into a deb -- so that it relies on the systems current libevent -- instead of the one from sid ?
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2148[21:13:15] <eggbean> I just noticed that there is tab completion after `sudo apt install ?`, for all packages. That's amazing. I have been using Debian for over a decade and never noticed that before. Is it relatively recent?
2149[21:15:33] <tomreyn> i think this is provided by package bash-completion
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2151[21:16:14] <eggbean> I was stuck on squeeze for years and I'm sure I would have noticed it before if it was available with that
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2153[21:16:54] <tomreyn> it's also available on oldoldstable
2154[21:17:19] <ratrace> sponix: if I were to do it, I'd use the (altered) src deb, yes.
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2156[21:19:24] <tomreyn> ... but it's possible it wasn't a recommends in the past and is now.
2157[21:19:43] <tomreyn> or just lacked this feature then
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2174[21:37:46] <terr_> jim, are you still here?
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2176[21:39:31] <terr_> I am going back into this quagmire. How to do a WINDOWS backup! Answer: use Linux. My conclusion is Windows Sysadmins either (1) really earn their money -or- (2) It doesn't really matter what monkeys you hire because its more or less a lost cause anyways.
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2179[21:40:33] <terr_> I will have to use MBR on a 1 terabyte HDD. This is okay. I have a 2 TB drive as well and can put GUID/GPT on it.
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2186[21:45:37] <terr_> comments please: I want multiboot even though these are external drives (for now). Issue. I think I need to set up /boot (and I will post in #grub) I will need / (root) and [swap] and (home) will be happy in / (root) This leaves me 1 partition. I can put either windows 7 or windows 10 - I will ask in #windows and #windows-legacy. Can I install BOTH 7 & 10 in a single partition? This will be NTFS. I can mount the windows partitions from Linux. ANd I
2187[21:45:37] <terr_> do not expect to be using either unless I am forced to.
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2195[21:52:45] <jim> terr_, yeah, something up?
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2197[21:53:19] <jhutchins> terr_: I'm not sure how windows is about booting from an external device. Theoretically grub should be able to load it.
2198[21:53:59] <jhutchins> terr_: These days Windows is rumored to store hardware identification, and complain about the license if too much changes, but there are ways around it.
2199[21:54:07] <ksk> If its just about having windows boot that one specific set of hardware it might work.
2200[21:54:25] <ksk> Win7 is EOL (soon?) though.
2201[21:54:39] <jhutchins> terr_: You could always just swap the internal drive out, keep it around as a backup.
2202[21:55:11] <jhutchins> ksk: Now.
2203[21:55:28] <terr_> jim, ya. THanks for your comment. I will say. M$ has one very lovely Point of Sale system. Its kinda like when you take a crap and instinct says check the results and I always know when I'm in a public washroom if the guy has sort of a smile then you know he's made a good deposit.
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2207[21:57:23] <senko-san> test
2208[21:57:52] <jim> nest
2209[21:58:42] <terr_> jhutchins, I have USB 3 and several HDs. I can likely use Grub and run both. The thing is windows has damn hidden partitions. I need 3 for linux: / [swap] and possible /boot. Maybe I can set up (boot) in / Is there a reason to not do this? (so far nobody is home in #grub. They are probably at #pub)
2210[21:59:17] <jhutchins> terr_: IBM does a linux-based POS system, as do others. There's a company called Core Cashless that used to build touchscreen POS terminals.
2211[21:59:37] <jim> maybe you'd also like partitions to store backups on, and to store your /home
2212[22:00:21] <terr_> jim, I have external drives for this.
2213[22:01:43] <terr_> I can get 2 TB for like CDN$65. That is CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP so much that I am starting to think I should forget computers and buy hens and become a chicken farmer.
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2215[22:02:22] <terr_> I think windows should run just fine on a USB3 HDD.
2216[22:02:45] <terr_> In the towers I can install several SATA drives.
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2219[22:03:55] <f8e3> anyone living in the shell without window system? how to browse then
2220[22:04:25] <f8e3> i am thinking to ditch a gui due bug surface etc, and only bubble up if necessary eg chromium browsing right? or am i wrong
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2222[22:08:31] <terr_> f8e3, I've used Firefox in Debian for years. I suspect you can install chrome. If you want you can set up a VM and install windows 95 and Internet Explorer. You probably will be pretty safe because (1) I saw the US Government is warning uses off the newest versions of IE and (2) it appears Microsoft has decided to deprecate IE - IE something new in W10
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2227[22:11:11] <terr_> f8e3, it is quite reasonable to be paranoid. You can run any one of several operating systems in a VM. If the thing is exploited... fire up a duplicate. Your main system will NOT be involved.
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2235[22:14:22] <ksk> thats a rather naive assumption ;)
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2237[22:15:01] <ksk> f8e3: just use a low feature-set desktop like fluxbox if you do not like gnome.
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2240[22:17:56] <soda__hobart> hi everybody, I am trying to install the `supercollider` metapackage on Buster, but apt is giving me a 404 error for the libqt5 dependencies. Is something just down temporarily?
2241[22:18:07] <ksk> ,v supercollider
2242[22:18:08] <judd> Package: supercollider on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.6.6~repack-2-1; stretch: 1:3.7.0~repack-4+deb9u1; buster: 1:3.10.0+repack-1; bullseye: 1:3.10.0+repack-1+b2; sid: 1:3.10.0+repack-1+b2
2243[22:18:15] <ksk> !bat
2244[22:18:15] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2245[22:18:18] <ksk> soda__hobart: ^
2246[22:18:37] <ksk> soda__hobart: did you do an "apt update" before? If not, do so first.
2247[22:18:56] <ksk> If it still does not work, please provice the information the bot lined out.
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2249[22:19:10] <soda__hobart> good grief, that's what it was
2250[22:19:45] <soda__hobart> thank you
2251[22:19:48] <ksk> !next
2252[22:19:48] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2253[22:20:41] <terr_> q) do we have any use in linux for a /pub
2254[22:20:49] <terr_> if not this would be a good addition
2255[22:21:08] <ksk> there is #debian-offtopic, if that is your question.
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2261[22:25:59] <joepublic> re: /pub ... man hier
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2266[22:27:38] <ritmo> Hello!
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2268[22:27:47] <ritmo> any1 here?
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2271[22:27:59] <jim> 1?
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2273[22:28:28] <EdNigma> Hello
2274[22:28:35] <ritmo> i have a question regarding installing chromium on debian10 using snapd
2275[22:28:45] <joepublic> There are apparently one thousand five hundred twenty-three here
2276[22:28:59] <jim> hi
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2278[22:29:24] <ritmo> Anyone has experience with snapd on Debian?
2279[22:29:36] <joepublic> I mostly use apt on debian
2280[22:29:41] <jim> ritmo, you can ask your question,,, and also please add any informative details you can think of
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2282[22:30:34] <sponix> ritmo: chromium on Debian 10 should not require a snap, and is likely to be an issue if you attempt that route
2283[22:30:35] <jim> yeah, that's three different packaging systems... and two is pretty insane by itself
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2287[22:31:59] <ritmo> Ok so if you install Chromium using apt and you go to browseraudit.com and run a the test you will encounter some critical error but when you use ubuntu you do not get that error.
2288[22:32:07] <ritmo> you don't even get that error on firefox
2289[22:32:25] <ritmo> So i posted this on reddit and someone said it's because the version on debian10.2 in apt is outdated
2290[22:32:32] <jhutchins> ,v chromium
2291[22:32:33] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 70.0.3538.110-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1; buster: 78.0.3904.97-1~deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 78.0.3904.108-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 78.0.3904.108-1~deb10u1; sid: 79.0.3945.79-1
2292[22:33:08] <jhutchins> ritmo: Which version do you have?
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2294[22:33:38] <ritmo> n the "Cookies" then "Secure flag" section: "cookie set by JavaScript should not be sent over HTTP" This critical test executed in ≈61ms and failed for the following reason: The cookie was sent to the server.
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2298[22:33:48] <ritmo> this was the error i got from browseraudit.com
2299[22:33:55] <ritmo> i use the latest apt version on 10.2
2300[22:34:03] <ritmo> but i uninstalled it for now
2301[22:34:19] <sponix> hell of an answer
2302[22:34:21] <jhutchins> ritmo: Which version of _chromium_?
2303[22:34:37] <joepublic> as I understand it the answer was, "whatever I got at the time"
2304[22:34:43] <ritmo> as i said, the latest version you can find in apt! wait i install it again and run the test again
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2307[22:35:05] <sponix> lol
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2309[22:35:21] <qubes> /msg NickServ REGISTER trafga agatas@protonmai.com
2310[22:35:31] <sponix> qubes: Oof
2311[22:35:38] <qubes> fukcin hell
2312[22:35:43] <joepublic> I don't think "protonmai" is a real thing
2313[22:35:43] <qubes> :D
2314[22:35:45] <jhutchins> ritmo: Go to the settings (three dots in upper right corner), About... get the actual number. There's more than one version available.
2315[22:35:51] <qubes> its not :)
2316[22:36:03] <EdNigma> rip
2317[22:36:10] <terr_> qubes, it looks right.
2318[22:36:13] <qubes> what is the right command for registering
2319[22:36:15] <qubes> ?
2320[22:36:17] <sponix> jhutchins: he just put it here for you to proof read it
2321[22:36:37] <EdNigma> It is, you just put a space at the beginning qubes
2322[22:36:42] <terr_> do you have to remove the preceeding space?
2323[22:37:07] <qubes> /msg NickServ REGISTER trafga agatas@protonmail.com
2324[22:37:13] <EdNigma> Still not
2325[22:37:26] <ritmo> 78.0.3904.108-1
2326[22:37:28] <qubes> EdNigma I just did put the space before it :D
2327[22:37:28] <ritmo> thats the verison
2328[22:37:32] <ritmo> im running the test again rn
2329[22:37:39] <EdNigma> Aaaah I meant remove the space qubes !
2330[22:37:40] <terr_> well I learned something. [space] does this?
2331[22:37:42] <EdNigma> :')
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2333[22:37:57] <jim> ritmo, dpkg -s chromium | grep '^Version'
2334[22:37:58] <EdNigma> And register with another password too qubes
2335[22:38:01] <jhutchins> ritmo: Thank you, that's what I wanted to know.
2336[22:38:02] <terr_> we have all written down the email address so we can send it to spam bots.
2337[22:38:19] <joepublic> I also imagine you'll be ghosted shortly.
2338[22:38:27] <jhutchins> ritmo: There are evidently some problems, notice it's nit in bullseye at all
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2340[22:38:54] <qubes> terr_ :) I
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2342[22:39:23] <EdNigma> Can't understand why my microphone is crackling and acting weird on Buster
2343[22:39:37] <ritmo> Wow, so i installed Chromium again and now it doesn't have that problem anymore
2344[22:40:01] <jhutchins> ritmo: With apt?
2345[22:40:03] <EdNigma> I suppose part of the problem is pulseaudio as it's highly criticized but I use PulseEffects a lot for the mic and headset, so I don't want to switch...
2346[22:40:07] <ritmo> (on browseraudit.com), nothing with "critical status" anymore.
2347[22:40:09] <ritmo> Yes, with apt.
2348[22:40:11] <jhutchins> ritmo: Does it show the same version?
2349[22:40:19] <ritmo> Yes, i just installed it again
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2351[22:40:29] <ritmo> I uninstalled it like 3 days ago because it kept showing that 1 error.
2352[22:40:41] <jhutchins> ritmo: I'm on stretch still, I show 9 warnings and no criticals.
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2354[22:41:12] <ritmo> debian10.2 9x warning 20x skilled 375 passed 0x critical
2355[22:41:16] <sponix> jhutchins: I don't show any of either -- because I don't care :)
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2357[22:41:41] <ritmo> I'm so happy i don't need to install it with snapd omg :D
2358[22:41:44] <jhutchins> ritmo: It's possible a patched version was posted in those three days, especially if there was a critical.
2359[22:42:00] <ritmo> Yes, possible!
2360[22:42:15] <qubes> can somebodz tell me how to change my username?
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2362[22:42:30] <sponix> qubes: /nick somethingElse
2363[22:42:47] <sponix> qubes: or do you mean on your Linux rig ?
2364[22:42:48] <jhutchins> ritmo: It's probably better to install chrome from google than to mess with snap. Multiple package managers, same package name = broken system eventually.
2365[22:43:40] <ritmo> I'm uninstalling the snap right now
2366[22:43:47] <sponix> jhutchins: I'm using FF ESR as my daily driver
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2368[22:43:52] <ritmo> apt seems fine, uninstalling snap additionally :P
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2371[22:44:34] <ritmo> btw another question: it has been asked on the internet a lot but maybe someone has a good answer for me here:
2372[22:44:48] <ritmo> What to do about that keyring prompt in the beginning of chromium.
2373[22:45:04] <ritmo> Should i give it my system password? I am not going to store ANY passwords in chromium.
2374[22:45:04] <sponix> ritmo: quit using auto-login on your user :)
2375[22:45:14] <wannamakesymbiot> ./msg NickServ REGISTER FUCKINBITCHASS agatas@protonmail.com
2376[22:45:29] <wannamakesymbiot> excellent
2377[22:45:38] <wannamakesymbiot> so without space or with space??
2378[22:46:04] <wannamakesymbiot> ./msg NickServ REGISTER FUCKINBITCHASSBITCHFUCKTHISFUCKINPIECEOFSHIT agatas@protonmail.com
2379[22:46:11] <wannamakesymbiot> not even with space :(/
2380[22:46:13] <ritmo> What do you mean quit using autologin
2381[22:46:20] <sponix> ritmo: if you want not be prompted, you can set that keyring to a blank passwd -- poor for security, but effective
2382[22:46:20] <wannamakesymbiot> :/
2383[22:46:21] <ritmo> I never use autologin on anything
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2385[22:46:57] <sponix> ritmo: Oh, well then if you set the keyring passwd to your user password, it should also quit prompting
2386[22:47:00] <ritmo> I would actually prefer to have strong security if possible. What does this keyring protect. The passwords saved in chrome?
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2388[22:47:12] <ksk> !ops wannamakesymbiot
2389[22:47:12] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ksk complains about a problem (see above)
2390[22:47:16] <jhutchins> ritmo: Try setting a blank password. There's something that fixes it, but I had to try multiple things.
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2392[22:48:10] <ritmo> as sponix just said setting it blank is a weak option
2393[22:48:27] <wannamakesymbiot> ok so trullz I dont get this irc at all I dont like it, I would like to use it as hexchat or whatever freaking bullshit that would be easy to set the nickname and that would stay logged in, I only want to get registration for one channel to get help, is there any option to get this done please?
2394[22:48:45] <sponix> ritmo: you can put it as your user pass, and it will use that from your system login, and likely quit asking also
2395[22:49:05] <ritmo> I think that's the only password it accept correct?
2396[22:49:12] <ritmo> i tried a few all are wrong.. so..
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2398[22:49:28] <sponix> ritmo: that is likely what it is looking for
2399[22:49:39] <ritmo> You know what it's doing?
2400[22:49:43] <ritmo> Why does firefox never ask me that
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2402[22:50:16] <sponix> ritmo: FF manages the passwords differently
2403[22:50:50] <sponix> ritmo: you can type "keyring" in your app launcher thingy, and bring the keyring gui up, to see what it is doing
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2405[22:51:16] <ritmo> withing chromium?
2406[22:51:25] <ritmo> within*
2407[22:51:35] <sponix> ritmo: within the OS itself. Might be called "passwords and keys" or something similar
2408[22:51:43] <sponix> gnome-keyring
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2411[22:51:55] <sponix> depends on your desktop environment of choice
2412[22:51:57] <ritmo> if i search in the whisker menu nothing comes up
2413[22:52:01] <ritmo> im on xfce debian 10.2
2414[22:52:15] <ritmo> passwords keys both words output nothing :D
2415[22:52:19] <sponix> odd
2416[22:52:34] <ritmo> terminal?
2417[22:52:50] <sponix> Not sure
2418[22:53:04] <ritmo> when i type gnome-keyring i get this:
2419[22:53:04] <ritmo> usage: gnome-keyring command [options]
2420[22:53:04] <ritmo> commands: certificate-exception
2421[22:53:04] <ritmo> import
2422[22:53:04] <ritmo> version
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2426[22:53:54] <ritmo> ffs :D
2427[22:54:13] <ritmo> my first time here sry i never use irc
2428[22:54:20] <sponix> Hate to say this, but I spend more time on Mint, and MX -- and they both have a keyring gui thing by default
2429[22:54:29] <ritmo> ahh ok
2430[22:54:40] <sponix> ritmo: you could try installing and running that gnome-keyring though -- pretty sure that is the one Mint uses
2431[22:55:03] <ritmo> trying to figure out the name of the gui rn
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2433[22:56:28] <ritmo> k can't find it
2434[22:56:30] <ritmo> bg
2435[22:56:59] <sponix> ritmo: should just be able to "sudo apt install gnome-keyring" and then find it in the menu
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2437[22:57:47] <ritmo> it is installed on my system but when i type in menu i dont get a visual icon or so
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2443[23:01:16] <sponix2ipfw> ritmo: log out and back in
2444[23:01:33] <ritmo> nah i mean it was always installed
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2446[23:01:57] <ritmo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
2447[23:02:26] <ritmo> but i have no UI for it..
2448[23:02:41] <ritmo> i think it's like that on Debian, i only use Debian for like a week now
2449[23:02:55] <ritmo> Need to fix a lot of stuff and add a lot of stuff and it feels quite outdated but somehow i love it ^^
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2459[23:11:13] <ritmo> Ah
2460[23:11:32] <ritmo> sponix jhutchins are you still here?
2461[23:11:38] <H2Q> hello, why does mariadb show debian 10.4 as 'the latest', and 10.3 as 'old stable' when debian's own release page shows 10.2. as the current?
2462[23:12:04] <sponix> ritmo: nope
2463[23:12:14] <ritmo> I encountered the error again
2464[23:12:23] <ritmo> after installing my extensions
2465[23:12:24] <sponix> ,v mariadb
2466[23:12:26] <judd> No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64.
2467[23:12:36] <ritmo> https everywhere and ublock
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2469[23:13:04] <sponix> ritmo: lol, then you know the error is caused by one of those two extensions -- right ?
2470[23:13:07] <H2Q> mariadb-server is the pkg name
2471[23:13:13] <sponix> H2Q: thanks
2472[23:13:18] <sponix> ,v mariadb-server
2473[23:13:19] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.41-0+deb9u1; buster: 1:10.3.18-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.21-2; sid: 1:10.3.21-2
2474[23:13:27] <ritmo> Yes..
2475[23:13:43] <H2Q> but my question was different
2476[23:13:46] <ritmo> but i do not get this error on Xubuntu 19
2477[23:13:53] <ritmo> with those extensions installed
2478[23:13:54] <ritmo> oO
2479[23:14:17] <H2Q> replaced-url
2480[23:14:19] <H2Q> shows 10.2.
2481[23:14:20] <sponix> ritmo: maybe that is what you should be running then, if so concerned :)
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2483[23:14:37] <sponix> ritmo: tried it with the regular "Chrome" ?
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2485[23:15:19] <ritmo> I mean, i just try to make sense of it. I'm a real debian noobie and i have a x220 that i installed it on like a week ago
2486[23:15:26] <H2Q> a package offers download for a distro version that users don't have yet?
2487[23:15:32] <ritmo> and i try to make it secure so i can use it as my daily driver
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2489[23:16:56] <sponix> ritmo: other than browser malware that made me roll a fresh FF profile ... I've been using Linux since 1995 and haven't had issues. And I don't worry about nearly as much as you are right now :)
2490[23:17:30] <sponix> ritmo: Out of the box, just punch the update button weekly or so.. Linux does better than most anything you are going to find
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2493[23:18:42] <ritmo> I guess so, but have you been trying to protect your cryptocurrency and online trading on live systems for the last 3 years? :D
2494[23:19:05] <ritmo> i def worry too much but better safe than sorry i guess
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2499[23:21:51] <H2Q> responsiveness is understood at bot level
2500[23:21:52] <H2Q> great
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2504[23:23:37] <sponix> ritmo: I've played with crypto lol
2505[23:24:17] <sponix> ritmo: putting that stuff in a VM that you can snapshot, power off, and so forth has always seemed like a good option for me
2506[23:24:36] <sponix> as far as the wallets go
2507[23:24:39] <ksk> if the amount of crypto in USD exceeds the value of a hardware ledge, you should buy one ;)
2508[23:24:48] <ritmo> sponix just yes
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2511[23:24:50] <ritmo> :P
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2513[23:25:05] <sponix> ksk: that is also a good recommendation
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2516[23:27:50] <ritmo> i have like 5 hardware wallets cause i test them all the time
2517[23:28:00] <ritmo> coldcards are cool ^_^
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2546[23:50:02] <jhutchins> whowas H2Q
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2548[23:52:15] <jhutchins> If anybody's wondering, H2Q was looking at the Maria version numbers, not the Debian version numbers.
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