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0[00:00:09] <kadiro> mutante, can i use an older version like 4.8 or 4.9 for example?
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3[00:01:26] <mutante> kadiro: i dont know about downgrading. but probably yes
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5[00:01:56] <kadiro> ok thank you very much for your help mutante
6[00:02:34] <mutante> kadiro: you are welcome
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9[00:06:02] <RoyK> is it possible somehow to allow ssh access in run level 1? I have some issues with my home server and sometimes I'm not at home, so it'd be nice to login, just as root, with a key etc, and not travel back home if the shit hits the fan
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11[00:07:30] <mutante> RoyK: if it was a server, like f.e. a Dell or HP made for datacenters then you'd have a management interface you can SSH into separately and power up/down the host or get a console even if it is offline
12[00:07:44] <mutante> possibly you could buy something like that .. an extension card
13[00:07:44] <RoyK> yes, I know
14[00:07:49] <RoyK> but this is a home server
15[00:07:55] <RoyK> which is why I ask
16[00:08:01] <mutante> yea, but maybe you could still add a PCI card for it
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18[00:08:13] <RoyK> that wasn't the question
19[00:08:35] <mutante> ok then
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21[00:08:59] <RoyK> so - does anyone know how I can have ssh and networking start in single user mode?
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48[00:26:53] <Copenhagen_Bram> I'm on debian stretch with xfce, when I close my lid my screen goes black with only a cursor, if I try to switch to a tty with ctrl-alt-f1 it just goes blank
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50[00:27:25] <Copenhagen_Bram> Forcing me to hold the power button until my computer turns off
51[00:27:47] <Copenhagen_Bram> I just set it to "turn display off" in the power settings but when I close my lid it still does the same thing
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53[00:29:35] <Copenhagen_Bram> The power button doesn't seem to do anything either, it's set to ask when I push the power button but I don't see any dialog
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57[00:31:41] <Copenhagen_Bram> Can someone help me?
58[00:32:17] <Copenhagen_Bram> I really hope I didn't mess anything up by powering off my computer the hard way
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61[00:37:48] <kadiro> Copenhagen_Bram, I'm new to debian ( i even didn't install it ) but try with alt+ctrl+F{1..6}
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66[00:41:10] <Copenhagen_Bram> kadiro: thanks but i already tried that
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69[00:42:53] <i-node> Copenhagen_Bram: what's the meaning of lid?
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85[00:53:14] <kingsley> Is the distribution called "NixOS" comparable to Debian?
86[00:53:19] <kingsley> If so, how?
87[00:53:29] <Krennic> hmmm
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90[00:55:13] <ryouma> i think they are completely different, but are both community distros
91[00:55:33] <ryouma> nix package manager has neat features. debian is huge.
92[00:57:24] <kingsley> ryouma: Please elaborate.
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97[00:59:16] <ryouma> this channel is for debian. it's an old, large repo, well supported, but quirky distro used by a variety of user types from home users to sysadmins with 100k servers. nix is a new, dunno size repo, smaller user base probably, innovative distro.
98[00:59:34] <jmcnaught> Copenhagen_Bram: on my laptop I have set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf so that closing the lid does nothing, you could try that
99[00:59:36] <ryouma> a lot of linuxes are based on debian.
100[01:00:21] <ryouma> guix is an alternative to nix
101[01:00:29] <ryouma> guixsd*
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103[01:04:06] <abrotman> ryouma: kingsley is well versed in what Debian is ..
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105[01:05:44] <kingsley> ryouma: If you happen to have the time,and are so inclined, I'd be interested in your detailed thoughts on how nix innovates.
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107[01:06:17] <abrotman> Not in this channel, please
108[01:06:26] <ryouma> i have rsi and other issues. also maybe ##linux would be better? it is "fucntional".
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110[01:07:11] <ryouma> ##linux is a decent channel with people who use debian
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116[01:10:35] <SerajewelKS> "innovative small distro" is another way to say "they haven't solved many problems yet" :)
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118[01:11:35] <Copenhagen_Bram> guix is even more innovative
119[01:11:41] <Copenhagen_Bram> and small
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122[01:12:28] <Copenhagen_Bram> btw it's quite possible to install nix or guix on debian
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126[01:17:45] <ryouma> idk but maybe some of the attraction of a new innovative small distro is that debian has a lot of half-solved stuff. as a trivial example, the user often has to know that dpkg and ucf have or are alternate config thingies, that debconf is yet another config thingie that is different (and has a file not in /etc), etc. i imagine a new innovative small distro would have only one dpkg/ucf thingie, for example.
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131[01:22:10] <Krennic> hmm
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133[01:23:04] <Krennic> debian and ubuintu are similar i run both in my computer
134[01:23:07] <Krennic> :P
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136[01:23:13] <Krennic> ubuntu*
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143[01:28:44] <Sleaker> ryouma: never heard of ucf directly or used it. not sure how that's related.
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146[01:32:06] <jcb2016> Krennic, of course debian and ubuntu are similar. ubuntu is a copy of debian
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159[01:42:41] <ryouma> Sleaker: some packages use it. this is nothing provided for all packages, but up tot he pacakge dev, which imo is inconsistent.
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162[01:43:32] <Sleaker> doesn't seem inconsistent
163[01:43:43] <Sleaker> that's the whole point of choice
164[01:44:20] <ryouma> it means the user has to know there are 2 and account for that
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166[01:44:53] <Sleaker> i disagree
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168[01:45:08] <Sleaker> generally don't need to know about wrapper tools like ucf and how they interact
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171[01:45:59] <Sleaker> ucf requires debconf, it's more of an extended tool...
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244[02:26:48] <Copenhagen_Bram> So I did what jmcnaught said and set HandLeLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf, which had no effect on my XFCE troubles but at least I can close my lid in i3 without disconnecting from the internet briefly
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344[03:35:07] <FXpro> has linux tails ever been cracked?
345[03:35:16] <abrotman> why would you ask us?
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348[03:35:37] <abrotman> try #tails on irc.oftc.net, good luck
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383[03:48:28] <fr3d> hey guys, is it posible that im just to stupid to figure out programming?
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386[03:50:01] <ryouma> specific cognitive deficits are a possibility, or bad manuals. there is a channel called programming that could help you.
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388[03:50:28] <fr3d> ok thank you ryouma
389[03:50:32] <sleepingforest> lol
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391[03:51:14] <ryouma> or bad languages
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394[03:51:47] <fr3d> what language would you sugest for a idiot ?
395[03:51:59] <ryouma> good q to ask programming channel
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398[03:52:13] <fr3d> ok yeah sorry
399[03:53:05] <sleepingforest> so i asked this a while ago but im lost. im trying to create a personal backport of rofi from sid.
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402[03:53:53] <sleepingforest> when i run mk-build-deps, i get unable to install rofi-build-deps
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406[03:55:36] <Abbott> what command can I run to configure a wifi connection? I accidentally wiped my /etc/resolv.conf
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412[03:58:53] <johnjay> Abbott: i'm still trying to figure that out
413[03:59:11] <johnjay> look at the output of ps -e | grep net, does it say anything?
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416[04:01:58] <sleepingforest> Abbott: are you trying to set your nameserver?
417[04:02:06] <th0r> Abbott, resolv.conf is a very simple file. You just need one or two lines like 'nameserver 176.103.130.130' and 'nameserver 176.103.130.131'
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419[04:02:39] <Abbott> where does config information for wireless networks happen? what tool in the base installation manages that?
420[04:02:48] <Abbott> I'm getting network unreachable
421[04:03:13] <Copenhagen_Bram> Why is torbrowser-launcher in contrib?
422[04:03:38] <th0r> Abbott, try those two lines. Often resolv.conf is written by the system when you fetch a dhcp address, but it won't hurt to put your own lines in and see if that solves the issue
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428[04:07:39] <craigevil> Abbott, replaced-url
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504[05:14:54] <Kobaz> Err replaced-url
505[05:14:56] <Kobaz> any ideas?
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683[08:11:48] <h0m3> Anyone knows how to make deluged works with deluge-web on debian stable?
684[08:11:59] <h0m3> Both as services
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828[09:38:04] <sufy> Hi i am using a modified debian system called avlinux and my fonts have gone a bit funny on some of my apps, one example is the audio mixer software on xfce
829[09:38:14] <sufy> might have been after an upgrade
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831[09:39:58] <at0m> sufy: here only pure debian and blends are supported. better luck in #opensourcemusicians for example.
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833[09:41:14] <at0m> dpkg: tell sufy about based on
834[09:41:16] <sufy> thanks didn't know about that channel, thanks for the channel.
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907[10:22:44] <weedloser> Hi, sorry if this is offtopic, but does this full-upgrade look safe? replaced-url
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926[10:32:27] <pragomer> hi, trying to mount a windows share via this command, lets only root write to this folder. my normal user can only read. how can I fix this?
927[10:32:50] <pragomer> sudo mount -t cifs -o rw //192.168.0.111/share /media/share
928[10:33:00] <pragomer> (/media/share is owned by my normal user)
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936[10:43:56] <themill> pragomer: there are uid etc options you can give to mount so that it knows who to allow to use the resouce
937[10:44:21] <themill> There's quite a lot of detail on this in mount.cifs(8)
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939[10:47:38] <petn-randall> weedloser: looks safe, though you didn't say which distro/release this is.
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941[10:49:04] <weedloser> Debian sid, i took a look here: replaced-url
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943[10:50:02] <pragomer> I found out, that the parameter "noperm" worked for me
944[10:50:03] <pragomer> thanks
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973[11:13:54] <Moondhum> Hello, just installed debian. When I try to install new package I get "cannot connect to replaced-url
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990[11:20:53] <rdz> hey all. what is the most generic way to reload services? is the usage of the 'service' command still encouraged?
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992[11:21:31] <rdz> or is it recommended to call systemctl directly?
993[11:21:37] <rdz> in scripts, i mean
994[11:22:32] <petn-randall> !bat
995[11:22:32] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
996[11:22:51] <petn-randall> Moondhum: Can you paste *ALL* the data from above into a single paste? ^^^
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1000[11:24:50] <Moondhum> sure, please hold on.
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1018[11:40:16] <Moondhum> petn-randall: Please take a look replaced-url
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1032[11:45:02] <petn-randall> Moondhum: Your ipv6 setup seems to be broken if this problem persists.
1033[11:45:32] <petn-randall> Note that the addresses in the error are IPv6, but your ping is IPv4.
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1036[11:47:41] <Dagger> try a wget against the server. wget has useful error message output for connection attempts; apt-get does not
1037[11:47:59] <Dagger> since ping is picking v4 it seems unlikely there even *is* a v6 setup to be broken here
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1061[12:05:47] <KjetilK> I'm in a rather deep rabbit hole here... It started with that my laptop on Stretch suddenly stopped taking key presses on KDE applications that were started on startup, including Plasma itself, and then, I figured I'd might as well go for Buster, so I did, but I've been depending on Synergy at home, and suddenly found that it isn't in Buster, then I started to backport Barrier, which went fine on my internal server running Stretch, but then I
1062[12:05:49] <KjetilK> just remembered that my Desktop isn't running Stretch, it is running an old version of Linux Mint (came preinstalled), and now the backport is failing because of gpg problems, apparently around gpg-agent, and so I started to look into why gpg is failing, but stranded there....
1063[12:06:03] <KjetilK> OMG, that's a lot of yak fleece! :-P
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1066[12:07:36] <KjetilK> I have also simply tried to install the synergy packages in Sid, but then, the server goes
1067[12:07:42] <KjetilK> Apr 16 12:07:23 roo Synergy 1.6.2: 2019-04-16T12:07:23 NOTE: accepted client connection#012#011/build/synergy-CUL4K_/synergy-1.6.2/src/lib/server/ClientListener.cpp,137
1068[12:07:44] <KjetilK> Apr 16 12:07:23 roo Synergy 1.6.2: 2019-04-16T12:07:23 NOTE: new client disconnected#012#011/build/synergy-CUL4K_/synergy-1.6.2/src/lib/server/ClientProxyUnknown.cpp,282
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1070[12:08:19] <KjetilK> so, it feels like the shortest path now, is to disable signing the package in my backport, how would I do that?
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1074[12:10:22] <petn-randall> KjetilK: At this point it might be better to just reinstall stretch again.
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1078[12:12:19] <KjetilK> petn-randall: perhaps, but I would want the upgrade a couple of months down the road anyway
1079[12:12:36] <KjetilK> and it might not have solved the other problems that started to occur
1080[12:12:49] <petn-randall> but then you'll have planned it before jumping in head first.
1081[12:13:20] <KjetilK> Well, gotta admit, I wouldn't have had a plan then, either :-)
1082[12:13:43] <KjetilK> Also, it doesn't really seem to be a problem with Buster
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1084[12:14:29] <petn-randall> KjetilK: Indeed, it seems like your issue is with Linux Mint.
1085[12:14:33] <petn-randall> !mint
1086[12:14:33] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
1087[12:14:45] <KjetilK> that synergy was going to go with 1024 bit keys wasn't something I would have guessed
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1089[12:15:48] <KjetilK> yeah, I know, but I suppose the answer of how you'd disable signature in building Debian packages is something that can be answered here :-)
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1093[12:17:55] <mq> Hi. Using debian 9 + KDE Plasma, is kdeconnectd essential?
1094[12:19:39] <petn-randall> KjetilK: Debian signs the packages after building them, so even if signing them fails, you'd still have the packages.
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1096[12:19:53] <at0m> mq: it isn't. but if you have any android devices on the same network, you will enjoy kdeconnectd a lot :>
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1099[12:21:05] <mq> at0m: how can i stop it? I didn't find it via d-bus and it is still running after removing the package with apt
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1102[12:21:29] <petn-randall> KjetilK: `dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b` would build you the unsigned binary packages.
1103[12:21:50] <KjetilK> ah, OK, great, thanks!
1104[12:22:00] <at0m> mq: killall kdeconnectd ?
1105[12:22:18] <Moondhum> petn-randall, thanks ill take a look
1106[12:22:59] <mq> at0m that kills the daemon but it doesn't seem to be persistent. Other question: How many files/how much memory does it use? lsof prints about 100 entrys for it
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1108[12:23:39] <at0m> mq: here it uses less than 1kB. nothing i ever worry about.
1109[12:23:57] <at0m> and i'm not even running KDE eh
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1111[12:24:57] <mq> at0m here top -p shows 1,8 % of memory
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1114[12:27:43] <mq> at0m oh. I just realized that apt didn't remove it due to an error
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1129[12:43:33] <mq> one more question: is the $PATH variable set via ~/bashrc in debian?
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1135[12:47:05] <tarzeau> mq: no, debian doesn't touch ~, well indirectly with whatever is in /etc/skel
1136[12:47:23] <tarzeau> and skel is built from whatever shells you install or not install
1137[12:47:41] <mq> tarzeau thanks
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1139[12:47:55] <tarzeau> bash and zsh have systemwide rc files in /etc though
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1143[12:48:33] <mq> but PATH isn't set in /etc/bash.bashrc either
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1145[12:49:21] <tarzeau> mq: try grep -ri PATH /etc
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1148[12:50:03] <tarzeau> not set for who? user? cronjob? login shell? x shell? remote? console?
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1150[12:50:38] <tarzeau> it's linux, it's all a bit more complicated. everything is a file, except some exceptions (unlike with plan9 :)
1151[12:50:54] <netriber> Hello, I have a debian install witch does not reboot, it just hangs and doesn't show anything else. Any ideas? It's a Dell laptop. I already tried different solutions like acpi=force
1152[12:50:57] <mq> tarzeau: an interactive login shell for root
1153[12:51:35] <tarzeau> netriber: and you want it to reboot? try: echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq;echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
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1155[12:52:17] <tarzeau> mq: /etc/login.defs
1156[12:52:40] <mq> tarzeau thanks
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1158[12:53:48] <netriber> tarzeau, but why doesn't the reboot comand work? That also didn't work, just stoped hanging
1159[12:54:10] <tarzeau> netriber: systemd? tried 7 times ctrl-alt-del in ctrl-alt-f1 ?
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1161[12:54:33] <tarzeau> netriber: hanging nfs mounts? broken hardware? systemd, it can be about pretty much everything
1162[12:54:44] <tarzeau> netriber: dmesg sometimes gives a hint
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1165[12:56:00] <netriber> tarzeau, going to look into dmesg
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1171[12:58:42] <netriber> tarzeau, ACPI: [Firmware bug]: Bios _OSI8Linux) query ignored
1172[12:58:56] <tarzeau> netriber: bios upgrades sometimes do wonders :)
1173[12:59:08] <mq> is ENV_SUPATH the same as PATH?
1174[12:59:15] <tarzeau> or the bios settings? but it's all non-standard piece of shit software if you ask me
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1178[13:00:26] <tarzeau> mq: maybe, but it's all buggy depending on wheather you have systemd or not, if you use su or not, sudo or not: example bugs.debian.org/905365
1179[13:01:22] <netriber> tarzeau, shutdown works nicelly
1180[13:01:32] <tarzeau> netriber: fun :)
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1182[13:01:37] <mq> tarzeau for an interactive login shell for root
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1184[13:01:51] <mq> nvm...
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1197[13:09:31] <kinky_nekoboi> Hello \o/
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1199[13:10:04] <kinky_nekoboi> what is the reason the package gcc-doc is in contrib for stretch =? also its even not there for buster ~
1200[13:11:00] <themill> gcc-doc requires non-free stuff (the gcc docs are not freely modifiable so are not free) - they are therefore in contrib and non-free instead.
1201[13:11:30] <themill> they weren't updated for buster and so rather than shipping out of date docs, it appears we are shipping no gcc docs :(
1202[13:12:29] <kinky_nekoboi> wow that is really the case ? did not expect that (((GNU))) compiler doc to be non-free
1203[13:13:11] <jelly> kinky_nekoboi: GNU's and Debian's definitions of what "free software" means are not completely compatible
1204[13:13:12] <themill> they contain sections that are not modifiable by anyone other than RMS which makes them non-free
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1207[13:13:51] <kinky_nekoboi> ah i see DFSG != GPL
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1210[13:14:02] <themill> they are not GPLd
1211[13:14:04] <Greyztar> hello, is there any preferred way of benchmarking debian like sysbench or geekbench?
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1213[13:14:29] <kinky_nekoboi> Greyztar, sysbench also droped out of repo haha
1214[13:14:50] <Greyztar> ok any alternatives though?
1215[13:14:51] <jelly> kinky_nekoboi: all versions of gpl are dfsg compliant
1216[13:15:23] <kinky_nekoboi> i would say just get you sysbench compiled for your self
1217[13:15:31] <themill> !gfdl
1218[13:15:31] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at replaced-url
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1220[13:19:04] <Zppix> Is there a way to tell what packages are being affected by apt-mark?
1221[13:19:19] <kinky_nekoboi> Greyztar, what do you want to benchmark ? CPU performance ? Multicore? FloatingPoint performance ?
1222[13:20:06] <Greyztar> kinky_nekoboi: for me cpu is enough sysbench seems abit all inclusive
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1224[13:21:29] <kinky_nekoboi> Greyztar, there is also the graphical application "hardinfo" with comes with several benchmarks
1225[13:21:48] <Greyztar> kinky_nekoboi: ok thanks ill check
1226[13:22:10] <netriber> tarzeau, any idea on how to debug this? I tried dmesg, but the result was not satisfying.
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1238[13:44:48] <tarzeau> netriber: so shutdown works, reboot not?
1239[13:44:56] <netriber> tarzeau, yes
1240[13:45:27] <tarzeau> netriber: if you're in vt1 (chvt 1), and press ctrl-alt-del, do you see any msgs?
1241[13:45:52] <tarzeau> netriber: if yes, which? what if you use my two commands for reboot? (warning it's a hard reboot via sysrq, no filesystem sync)
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1243[13:46:22] <netriber> when i use your two comamnds for reboot it hangs saying the system will restart
1244[13:47:00] <netriber> control + alt + del says restarting system as does your commans and hangs
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1246[13:47:18] <netriber> thinking on disabling acpi
1247[13:47:35] <tarzeau> netriber: 7 times within one second?
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1249[13:48:00] <tarzeau> (this is some systemd joke, and it'll usually also just fail, but print some funky message that it detects you really want to reboot)
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1252[13:48:23] <tarzeau> yeah go disable acpi and see if that helps :)
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1254[13:49:06] <Guest21999> what is this chat all about ?
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1256[13:49:08] <Guest21999> new here
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1262[13:50:46] <netriber> disabling acpi works but I'm without network
1263[13:52:24] <netriber> failed because it changed the device name, also stoped having frame buffer
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1265[13:53:09] <netriber> but disabling acpi worked
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1340[14:51:35] <netriber> tarzeau, thank you for the help
1341[14:53:16] <tarzeau> you're welcome
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1345[14:55:32] <netriber> what are the disavantages of not having acpi? (don't care about power optimization or suspend modes )
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1354[15:03:31] <darxmurf> is there a way to see Thunar mount options? I just connected a samba share using the address bar and I want to see which options it used
1355[15:04:41] <apollo13> darxmurf: not sure, but does executing mount in a shell show them?
1356[15:04:45] <apollo13> or cat /etc/mtab
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1363[15:05:50] <darxmurf> nop
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1366[15:06:09] <darxmurf> what I can't understand is I can't mount this share using mount.cifs from terminal but Thunar can Oo
1367[15:06:15] <darxmurf> using the same login/password
1368[15:06:28] <darxmurf> and I can mount this folder from a windows machine using also the same login/pass
1369[15:06:36] <apollo13> security options most likely
1370[15:07:12] <darxmurf> and the samba server is a linux server too
1371[15:07:32] <apollo13> well increase logging on the samba server, it usually clearly says why it has issues
1372[15:07:49] <bernyrd> replaced-url
1373[15:07:57] <bernyrd> sorry...
1374[15:08:04] <bernyrd> hi, I just added hid_generic to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but the module is still loading
1375[15:08:04] <bernyrd> I tried this "properly" with udev rules earlier and did not get it to work, I *must* keep the kernel from grabbing device
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1435[15:36:17] <darxmurf> apollo13: are you a smb specialist ? :D
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1440[15:37:17] <darxmurf> in my logs when a windows machine connects the share, I have: Got user=[user1] domain=[MYDOMAIN] workstation=[DESKTOP-XYZ123]
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1442[15:37:31] <darxmurf> but with linux clients the workstation=[]
1443[15:37:36] <darxmurf> could it causes issues ?
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1476[15:47:06] <apollo13> darxmurf: there is generally more information than this line
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1486[15:48:42] <darxmurf> I did set the log level like this: log level = 0 passdb:4 auth:4 winbind:4 kerberos:4
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1491[15:49:54] <darxmurf> then Checking password for unmapped user [MYDOMAIN]\[user1]@[] with the new password interface
1492[15:49:59] <darxmurf> check_ntlm_password: mapped user is: [MYDOMAIN]\[user1]@[]
1493[15:50:02] <darxmurf> check_ntlm_password: Authentication for user [user1] -> [user1] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE, authoritative=1
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1503[15:52:18] <darxmurf> and in my mount.cifs options I have -o username=user1,domain=MYDOMAIN
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1505[15:52:31] <darxmurf> I tried to change netbiosname, vers and sec but same result
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1512[15:55:25] <darxmurf> in fact it's like smb is not asking kerberos anything when a linux client connects Oo
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1515[15:57:05] <apollo13> darxmurf: mhm, would it have to?
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1518[15:57:46] <apollo13> the way kerberos works I do not think that the app server needs to contact the kdc to verify the client
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1522[15:59:35] <apollo13> either way, you have to show config and provide way more debug information
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1524[16:00:13] <apollo13> also depending on where the server is ensure that selinux doesn't hate you
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1526[16:00:22] <darxmurf> selinux is disabled
1527[16:00:29] <apollo13> disabled? uff
1528[16:00:43] <apollo13> what else did you do to that poor server
1529[16:01:34] <darxmurf> well, when things goes wrong, I first disable that
1530[16:01:56] <apollo13> you do realize though that your system won't boot anymore unless you take extra precautions?
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1535[16:04:19] <darxmurf> oh wait, it's a centos, not a debian (sorry to ask about that here by the way)
1536[16:04:34] <darxmurf> I usually install debian machines but this one is a CentOS
1537[16:04:48] <apollo13> *shrug*
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1540[16:05:16] <darxmurf> if you still want to see the smb.conf file ^^
1541[16:05:18] <hmpf1> Hi. Question about pbuilder. Why is the debhelper packge not installed by default in the pbuilder base? For me it has to download and install every time.
1542[16:05:22] <darxmurf> replaced-url
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1549[16:06:06] <apollo13> I find it rather annoying that you ask in two channels in parallel to be honest, choose one channel, preferably the correct on and use that
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1552[16:06:21] <petn-randall> hmpf1: Because it's not strictly necessary to build a package.
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1554[16:06:45] <themill> hmpf1: pbuilder works with whatever chroot/tarball you give it. debhelper is not needed even if it is widely used. You can install it in advance if you choose.
1555[16:07:18] <hmpf1> is there an elegant way to do that right during pbuilder create?
1556[16:07:48] <themill> nothing about pbuilder is elegant... use sbuild ;)
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1563[16:09:00] <darxmurf> apollo13: because I'v been fighting with this stuff for long time and already asked multiple places without success
1564[16:09:09] <themill> (sbuild-create --include=debhelper, or debootstrap --include debhelper)
1565[16:09:17] <darxmurf> sorry about that but I'm trying to put all the chances on my side now :-/
1566[16:09:43] <bernyrd> freindoroonies I am not sure how I keep hid_generic from grabbing a device I add with usbip. I try module blacklist and regen initramfs and reboot, but no. I also try udev rules.
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1569[16:10:10] <hmpf1> themill: thats the first time i read about sbuild. will have a look at it.
1570[16:10:10] <hmpf1> thanks for the input.
1571[16:10:32] <apollo13> darxmurf: anyways, there are so many samba log classes that setting the log level to zero for most of them will probably hide the issue
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1577[16:12:46] <themill> hmpf1: for some reason that I do not understand, much of the "how to get started" documentation talks of pbuilder while all the debian infrastructure uses sbuild. pbuilder has this crazy set of shell hooks that you do all manner of weird things in, while sbuild just has a simple config file
1578[16:13:30] <greycat> My first guess would be that the documentation was written before sbuild existed, or before it became popular.
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1580[16:14:27] <themill> sbuild is also allegedly more difficult to set up, and yet it is just the same as pbuilder. There are the myths that never go away.
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1582[16:15:23] <themill> (or simpler than pbuilder, in fact, I cheerfully disposed of 3kloc of crappy shell scripts for 2 config files with 10 lines each)
1583[16:15:37] <petn-randall> sbuild++
1584[16:16:09] <petn-randall> I've struggled with pbuilder and cowbuilder for quite a while, sbuild is set up in a breeze compared to that.
1585[16:17:05] <hmpf1> so the debian packages are mainly build with sbuild? you really don't get that impression from what you find.
1586[16:17:34] <themill> most developers use sbuild, I think, all the buildds do
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1592[16:19:07] <petn-randall> Yeah, most DDs use sbuild, unless they're old wizards that set up their build environment 15 years ago.
1593[16:19:23] <petn-randall> So if you start from scratch, you should go with sbuild.
1594[16:19:32] * themill did and then got rid of it 10 years ago
1595[16:19:43] <petn-randall> :)
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1597[16:20:17] <bernyrd> this is info good
1598[16:20:21] <hmpf1> would that be the best place to start: replaced-url
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1605[16:27:50] <themill> looks about right
1606[16:28:23] <hmpf1> k, thanks a lot.
1607[16:29:03] <bernyrd> friends please I am a scare, good resource for module blacklist? I try explicit modprobe.d line. It does not work. Must prevent USBIP device from hid_generic
1608[16:29:17] <bernyrd> I wonder if usbip is doing something?
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1610[16:31:23] <ksk> yo. should "mount -a" not (also) mount a swap device mentioned in my fstab? I can "swapon" (the swapspace-file in that case) manually, but nothing happens with mount -a (also, no errors)
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1614[16:32:02] <greycat> swap is not a file system, so mount doesn't do anything with it
1615[16:32:18] <greycat> perhaps you want "swapon -a"
1616[16:32:29] <petn-randall> bernyrd: What are you trying to achieve? If you blacklist hid_generic, *all* devices using it won't work.
1617[16:32:42] <ksk> ah okay, so it should work if I reboot? thanks greycat.
1618[16:32:42] <bernyrd> is true, first I try udev
1619[16:32:58] <bernyrd> but on laptop input devices seem to be PS/2. also I ssh.
1620[16:33:18] <bernyrd> udev rule matching vid/pid did not seem to work
1621[16:33:27] <bernyrd> hid_generic taunts me in dmesg
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1627[16:36:40] <jelly> since when do local file repos need a signature :-(
1628[16:36:43] <bernyrd> not sure waht to do at this point, will be moving the VM thatn eeds this device to the current usbip server
1629[16:36:44] <jelly> W: No Hash entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/_home_jelly_packages_._InRelease
1630[16:37:02] <bernyrd> but that is why I need blacklist, passing usbip device to qemu
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1679[17:07:44] <bernyrd> freinds I will be made to use windows and it will give me bad dreams
1680[17:07:55] <bernyrd> this name is bann from ##linux, I do not know why, or I would ask there
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1685[17:09:02] <mawk> not the name bernyrd
1686[17:09:05] <mawk> irccloud is banned
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1688[17:09:13] <mawk> you can ask jim why
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1690[17:09:18] <mawk> if you want to bother him
1691[17:09:22] <mawk> else you can get a real irc client
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1696[17:10:50] <bernyrd> i am not reel boy, should not use reel client
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1703[17:12:44] <bernyrd> am ##linux-ops, they are away
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1709[17:18:57] <ksk> bernyrd: probably because you are using "irccloud" to connect to IRC. we are not a support channel for ##linux btw ;)
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1711[17:19:16] <ksk> try using a real client (there are commandline-clients also).
1712[17:19:36] <ksk> ps: try not to connect to ##linux using tor.
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1716[17:19:49] <bernyrd> I know ksk. But despite still searching I am lack udev/modprobe troubleshooting steps. I panic. The need to use Windows draws near and I fear
1717[17:20:03] <bernyrd> silence now
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1720[17:20:14] <bernyrd> quiet terror
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1722[17:20:25] <ksk> I did not really get your inital Problem Statement. Seomething about blacklisting - which seems to be simple looking at the manpage of modprobe.d
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1732[17:22:37] <bernyrd> Yes. I need to blacklist hid_generic. I do so, regenerate the initramfs, and reboot. But when I attach a USBIP device it is grabbed by hid_generic still.
1733[17:22:37] <bernyrd> I've also tried udev, but I can use the computer without hid_generic so trying that seemed easiest.
1734[17:23:01] <bernyrd> Am wondering if it is USBIP's fault. But I don't know how to check really, besides really invasive and time consuming stuff.
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1739[17:24:31] <ksk> when I blacklisted a module, I did not regenerate initramfs iirc.
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1741[17:24:59] <ksk> what does your blacklist.d file say now?
1742[17:25:05] <bernyrd> yeah I tried normally, but there was a SO answer involving the initramfs somehow
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1744[17:25:18] <ksk> did you read replaced-url
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1746[17:26:00] <ksk> recreating initrd manually actually is a step in there :)
1747[17:26:32] <bernyrd> I am very stupid. I left of .conf on name.
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1749[17:26:34] <premoboss> hello, weird problem here. I have to a HHD with Window XP that i have to virtualize. HDD is 224GB with 2 partitions. i resized partitions to use only te initial 16.5GB. then i dd.ed the inipial 17GB onto a file image.img. If i run that file with qemu, all runs well, the virtual machine stats and i can vo into virtualized XP. the problem is when i convert the image file to be used with virtual box: no way to make it runs.
1750[17:26:34] <premoboss> Converted image soes not run. also tried to convert for wmware, but wmware report "image corropted" error. If ir open the image with gparted, it report the disk is 224GB parge, even if the image is only 17GB. of course the dd report the original MBR with original size. i suspect this difference make virtualbox and wmware sad and refuse to work. Someone can hel me with this issue?
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1753[17:27:28] <bernyrd> But there is still a USB failure. It looks like what I want to do will not work.
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1755[17:28:39] <ksk> !happy
1756[17:28:39] <dpkg> somebody said happy was :-), or replaced-url
1757[17:28:51] <ksk> eh, not the one I was looking for..
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1760[17:30:13] <x_> hello, could anyone kindly tell the gpu driver people to bundle up their ish tighter so that if the drivers get garbo'd we can actually reinstall and be done?
1761[17:30:45] <x_> Mesa right now is a mess, all courtesy of optimus and nvidia
1762[17:31:02] <x_> thanks
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1764[17:31:28] <ksk> x_: welcome.
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1767[17:33:19] <x_> oh and kick those Xorg people to the curb, the wiki documentation is version, what, 7? and we're bundling 11 with Debian?
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1774[17:34:26] <petn-randall> x_: Sounds like you just came here to rant.
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1777[17:36:15] <x_> commiseration is what pulls people together
1778[17:36:19] <x_> i guess
1779[17:37:57] <petn-randall> x_: If you want actual support, it would be good to describe your actual problem.
1780[17:38:00] <petn-randall> !ask
1781[17:38:00] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1787[17:41:48] <x_> you're nice, thanks for volunteering, but the needed action is stated above
1788[17:41:50] <x_> no amount of support will fix those issues
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1790[17:44:17] <EdePopede> ,v xorg
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1792[17:44:19] <judd> Package: xorg on amd64 -- jessie: 1:7.7+7; buster: 1:7.7+19; sid: 1:7.7+19; stretch: 1:7.7+19
1793[17:44:23] <EdePopede> nope
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1802[17:48:26] <x_> X.Org X Server 1.19.2
1803[17:48:26] <x_> Release Date: 2017-03-02
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1805[17:48:47] <x_> Documentation for the X Window System
1806[17:48:47] <x_> Version 11 Release 7.7 (X11R7.7)
1807[17:48:47] <x_> 6 June 2012
1808[17:48:50] <petn-randall> x_: Let me get my magic 8-ball and fix your issues right away.
1809[17:48:58] <x_> quite a few years between those two
1810[17:49:01] <zamuro> !paste
1811[17:49:01] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1812[17:49:11] <x_> okay
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1815[17:49:46] <petn-randall> x_: You're still missing basic info like OS + release version, what GPU you're running, what graphics driver, etc etc.
1816[17:49:56] <x_> you misunderstood me, i don't want you to fix my issues petn-randall
1817[17:50:04] <x_> i want to fix them myself
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1819[17:50:19] <x_> i think i am able to read man-pages and work my way through
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1821[17:50:35] <zamuro> Why asking here then?
1822[17:50:39] <petn-randall> x_: In order for *us* to help *you*, we need this basic info. If you don't want any help, that's fine, but then please keep it to another channel.
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1825[17:50:59] <x_> because it was concerning the distro
1826[17:51:08] <petn-randall> x_: Which distro?
1827[17:51:14] <x_> Debian 9
1828[17:51:20] <petn-randall> x_: which GPU?
1829[17:51:48] <x_> NVS 5200M + Intel Ivy Bridge (using intel965 drivers)
1830[17:51:58] <x_> in an Optimus config
1831[17:52:07] <petn-randall> !optimus
1832[17:52:07] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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1834[17:52:17] <x_> been there, done that
1835[17:52:26] <petn-randall> So it all works fine?
1836[17:52:32] <x_> obviously not
1837[17:52:40] <petn-randall> x_: Then show us where it fails.
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1839[17:53:28] <x_> Mesa is a mess as i was saying in the first row, let me pastebin the xorg.log if you really want to look into the abyss
1840[17:53:34] <x_> just a second
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1842[17:54:53] <petn-randall> You keep on claiming this without showing us anything. Pretty sure all the X11 libraries work fine with each other on Debian stretch, unless you started to manually install things over it.
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1847[17:55:46] <x_> here you go
1848[17:55:47] <x_> replaced-url
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1855[17:57:01] <x_> petn, if Windows wouldn't have manually installed software in it, it would never fail either :)
1856[17:57:16] <x_> that's not how OSes work though
1857[17:57:26] <x_> users come and install what they need
1858[17:57:36] <x_> and actually use them
1859[17:57:37] <petn-randall> x_: Can you share the output of `apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri x11-common`?
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1861[17:58:20] <petn-randall> x_: So you did install mesa libs over the system ones?
1862[17:59:27] <x_> the apt-cache policy is here replaced-url
1863[17:59:34] <petn-randall> x_: Also `debsums -c libgl1-mesa-dri`
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1869[18:00:16] <petn-randall> It's missing `apt-cache policy` though.
1870[18:00:24] <x_> i don't have the debsums binary installed, let me see
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1872[18:01:29] <x_> installed, but debsums command outputs nothing
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1874[18:02:11] <petn-randall> x_: Btw, X11 is not the version number. The version number is 7.7, which was pretty current when stretch was released.
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1878[18:03:37] <x_> replaced-url
1879[18:03:52] <spaceone> hmm… i need help in packaging using dh_python: I want to have an explicit file in usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7 and put that into package.install but dh_python or something else rewrites this always to /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/. How can I prevent this? I tried overwriting dh_{auto_,}install but had no success
1880[18:03:54] <x_> alright, i was looking at the xorg server version
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1882[18:04:34] <petn-randall> I'm not even surprise that your X11 is broken.
1883[18:04:37] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
1884[18:04:37] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1885[18:04:51] <x_> still, the documentation for the xorg.conf files is cryptic to say the least
1886[18:04:51] <petn-randall> s/surprise/surprised/
1887[18:05:03] <petn-randall> x_: Feel free to fix it.
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1889[18:05:34] <zamuro> petn-randall don't feed the troll.
1890[18:05:36] <x_> thanks for the vote of confidence :)
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1894[18:06:35] <x_> i didn't even come here to speak much, i just had two things to say, but you guys wanted more info so there you have it
1895[18:06:45] <x_> i'll be on my way out
1896[18:06:50] <x_> thanks for the help
1897[18:06:53] <petn-randall> x_: This is a *support* channel, it's not for ranting.
1898[18:07:38] <x_> not even rants, just two actionable things
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1900[18:08:21] <petn-randall> x_: Sure, but that's not how it works.
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1903[18:09:28] <petn-randall> And the second "actionable" thing wasn't actionable at all, because you misunderstood how X11 version numbers work.
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1906[18:09:52] <x_> sure, my bad
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1909[18:11:45] <sleepingforest> i switched from xfce to i3, and i cant seem to get the screen resolution correctly. xrandr is giving me a list of dimensions but none work. how can i have the dimensions automatically set like xfce does?
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1914[18:17:16] <diogenes_> sleepingforest, xrandr --size 1234x123
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1919[18:19:04] <sleepingforest> diogenes_: yes i know that command
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1928[18:25:54] <Solifugus> Anyone: does Debian somehow close off use of port 80 by default? My new debian 9 server (on Linode) will allow my node.js express app to work through port 8080 but not 80...
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1931[18:26:09] <Solifugus> apache is not installed
1932[18:26:19] <greycat> how about apache2?
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1934[18:26:31] <Solifugus> I have no apache.. don't want apache..
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1936[18:27:18] <Solifugus> let me see if I can find any signs of apache2.... I don't think its there because there is no /var/replaced-url
1937[18:27:22] <greycat> Debian does not use any kind of firewall by default. But if you're using some hosting provider's installation of Debian, you'd have to ask them how they configured or changed it.
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1939[18:27:41] <LoRez> Solifugus: you can't run as non-root below port 1024.
1940[18:27:51] <greycat> Use "telnet localhost 80" or "netstat" or "ss" or "lsof" to see what's listening on 80
1941[18:28:19] <spaceone> got it with +override_dh_python2:
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1945[18:30:40] <sleepingforest> i have debian installed in a vmware vm, with open-vm-tools-desktop installed. Is there a command to trigger a screen resize / autofit?
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1960[18:37:54] <jelly> sleepingforest: do you have an X session running?
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1963[18:38:31] <wwilliam> how as root can see and join the screen of a regular user?
1964[18:38:59] <jelly> sleepingforest: that is, a GUI interface and not just a text console?
1965[18:39:21] <sleepingforest> jelly: yea an x session
1966[18:39:43] <sleepingforest> jelly: i had xfce4 which did this automatically, but i switched to i3 and im not sure how to do it
1967[18:39:48] <Ingvix> wwilliam, su -l [user] and screen -r
1968[18:39:55] <jhutchins_wk> wwilliam: VNC or RDP
1969[18:40:01] <wwilliam> ssh
1970[18:40:13] <wwilliam> screen command
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1972[18:40:22] <sleepingforest> wwilliam: screen -x
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1975[18:41:14] <sleepingforest> wwilliam: if its detached use -r
1976[18:41:23] <wwilliam> not my screen
1977[18:41:36] <wwilliam> as root doing screen -ls dont show anything
1978[18:41:39] <jelly> wwilliam: short answer is you can't easily do it; a potentially security compromising answer is "change ownership of your tty, su - to that user, and then screen -x
1979[18:42:12] <wwilliam> i could do su - user and then the screen commands, but i thought you could do it straight from root, thank you all
1980[18:42:25] <jelly> best answer is probably: login as that user
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1984[18:43:46] <jelly> sleepingforest: I do not know how it's done manually, perhaps something with xrandr
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1986[18:47:01] <sleepingforest> jelly: ah it has to do with vmware tools
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2015[18:59:19] <krion> o/
2016[18:59:43] <krion> hello
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2018[19:00:38] <petn-randall> hi krion
2019[19:01:12] <krion> is there a magic apt command that can force the strict application of the candidate policy rule
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2021[19:01:44] <krion> I mean, even with a APT priority of 1001, packages aren't downgraded execpt if i install them again
2022[19:02:35] <jelly> krion: does apt-get -f install do anything?
2023[19:02:59] <jelly> also, what is your actual goal?
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2027[19:03:30] <jelly> (why do you need to downgrade things on a regular basis)
2028[19:04:05] <krion> apt-get install `dpkg --get-selections|awk '{print $1}'`
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2030[19:04:28] <jelly> yes. If you only need to downgrade stuff once, do it once.
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2032[19:04:48] <krion> this does what I want. well, what I want isn't really true. I don't want to use that damn snapshot, but, heh, everyone as to eat food and pay gas.
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2034[19:05:01] <jelly> that particular command will lose info about what was installed automatically
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2036[19:05:56] <jelly> and be aware that downgrading won't touch conffiles that are already in place, which may or may not be a problem for you
2037[19:06:43] <krion> Hopefully we're using CMDB.
2038[19:06:47] <krion> but, thx for the warning
2039[19:07:16] <krion> I'm not aware of the feature you mean by "info about what was installed automatically"
2040[19:07:24] <jelly> assuming you got rid of repos with newer versions, and only a specific snapshot is available, you might get a better subset of packages by using something like
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2042[19:07:56] <jelly> krion: apt and aptitude keep track of what was installed only as a dependency, and what was explicitely requested
2043[19:08:13] <jelly> since... uh, debian 6 or so?
2044[19:08:56] <krion> They say they want to use a specific dot release, but they provision using standard repo, and they don't downgrade package, so they are not really using a specific dot release... except for the new package that have been installed afterwards provisionning.
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2046[19:09:48] <jelly> who is "they" and did you warn "them" about the serious bug in their provisioning :-)
2047[19:09:55] <krion> This only little thing makes me want to quit. I've so much little resilience against adveristy.
2048[19:10:13] <jelly> if you already have newer packages, why not just leave them there?
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2050[19:10:53] <krion> They is the company I sell myself to. I did warn them, they don't care. I probably didn't warn them with good "items"
2051[19:11:22] <jelly> if you're going for reproducibility, the best thing to do is completely ignore the provisioned OS and debootstrap a whole new (well, old) one from the desired snapshot
2052[19:11:39] <krion> jelly: I can and I will, it's just a try.
2053[19:12:08] <jelly> downgrades will probably make more of a mess
2054[19:12:15] <netriber> Hello, I have setup vlans on my interface how can I remove the main interface from obtaining ip by dhcp?
2055[19:13:18] <jelly> netriber: a single "iface enWHATEVER inet manual" line in /etc/network/interfaces will prevent eg. NetworkManager from trying to bring it up
2056[19:13:58] <jelly> netriber: can you show your current /etc/network/interfaces? Which debian release is this?
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2059[19:14:34] <krion> jelly: I kind of hope so to proove my point ;-)
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2061[19:15:16] <jelly> it sounds like someone had a good idea but halfassed the implementation
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2067[19:19:39] <krion> (still working after reboot...)
2068[19:20:35] <netriber> jelly, 9.8 . setting it to manual solved the issue
2069[19:20:40] <netriber> jelly, thank you
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2092[19:27:57] <__marco> Hello. Can I use stretch to build packages for testing/unstable? chroot? I think to remember that yes it is possible but I don't remember why
2093[19:28:12] <__marco> no, sorry, I don't remember ho
2094[19:28:14] <__marco> no, sorry, I don't remember how
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2103[19:32:51] <ChmEarl> __marco, yes.. I use pbuilder, see #packaging on OFTC
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2105[19:33:20] <__marco> ChmEarl: thanks
2106[19:33:42] <Solifugus> If there is no apache installed -- how can I figure out why I cannot use port 80? I have a node.js/express app that works fine on ports other than 80.. no errors on 80 but 80 does not respond from the outside..
2107[19:34:00] <Solifugus> Is there a way to find out what is wrong with port 80?
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2112[19:34:32] <__marco> Solifugus: netstat -ltpn
2113[19:35:06] <jelly> Solifugus: run: ss -tupln |grep :80 (as root)
2114[19:35:34] <Emil> Do you reckon replaced-url
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2116[19:35:57] <Solifugus> shows nothing as port 80... maybe port 80 require root? I can restart my server process as root
2117[19:36:34] <Solifugus> Yep.. that was it.
2118[19:36:35] <jelly> Solifugus: setting up a listener on any ports below 1024 requires root
2119[19:36:35] <__marco> Solifugus: for sure that port 80 require root permission
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2122[19:36:47] <DoomPatrol> ss -tupln 'sport = :80'
2123[19:36:47] <Solifugus> ah.. that's why my little user worked on port 4000
2124[19:37:06] <coyotea> konnnnnnichiwaaaaaaa!
2125[19:37:06] <Solifugus> ok then
2126[19:37:16] <coyotea> i have an openbox question
2127[19:37:17] <jelly> Solifugus: more precisely, it requires CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE Linux capability
2128[19:37:48] <coyotea> is there a way to change the window color of only one app?
2129[19:38:17] <petn-randall> Solifugus: You're mightly "brave" if you run a nodejs app as root on the internet, though.
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2133[19:40:18] * jelly looks at a commercial app running tomcat as root on port 80 and cries
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2135[19:40:29] <jmcnaught> Solifugus: ^ you may want to look into using apache or nginx as a reverse proxy to serve that nodejs app on port 80
2136[19:40:56] <DoomPatrol> jelly: but it's "scalable" heh
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2138[19:41:31] <jelly> or haproxy!
2139[19:41:40] <jelly> it has proxy right in the name!
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2149[19:51:50] <jim> bernyrd, hi... we didn't ban you personally, the ops on ##linux had to ban irccloud and tor (they're both anonymizers), because of repeat incidents of abuse... if you come in without irccloud and without tor, I'm sure you can get in if you want to
2150[19:52:31] <greycat> s/anonymizers/wretched hives of scum and villainy/
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2157[19:56:40] <jelly> as if anyone would willingly join ##linux!
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2176[20:04:13] <jim> jelly, if I recall correctly, some people do :)
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2181[20:07:28] <jim> greycat, as it turns out, unfortunately yes
2182[20:08:50] * DoomPatrol just runs their own znc bouncer, tries to be a good netizen and uses a cloak
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2196[20:17:49] <OS-46622> msg NickServ REGISTER p@22word patrickaraub@gmail.com
2197[20:18:06] <OS-46622> welp changing that one
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2207[20:27:32] <bernyrd> hello jim
2208[20:27:34] <bernyrd> thank you for reply
2209[20:27:39] <bernyrd> I am disappointed that you had to ban tor
2210[20:28:01] <bernyrd> there are apparently users with nonstandard tor masks, I tried to ask about that in the past... apparently not granted anymore
2211[20:28:04] <bernyrd> most channels ban tor
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2217[20:30:03] <bernyrd> I have a question, how do I file a bug? I think it is against QEMU. When passing USB device to QEMU first thing it does seems to be to try to reset it, but if device was created by USBIP kernel module then the device goes away
2218[20:30:09] <bernyrd> then QEMU can not reopen it
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2222[20:31:53] <shtrb> Is wifi mac randomization arrive by default to stretch / buster or is it some package that enable that feature ?
2223[20:32:11] <bernyrd> I can maybe explain USBIP behavior, but maybe bug against it instead
2224[20:32:48] <mvaenskae> how can i specify for pg_ctlcluster the config_file myself?
2225[20:33:26] <shtrb> bernyrd, usbip pass purly by ip layer (two different sides) - when you attach to it the host pass the control to the guest
2226[20:33:35] <shtrb> RIP engrish
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2229[20:34:58] <shtrb> ,v network-manager
2230[20:34:59] <judd> Package: network-manager on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.10.0-7; stretch: 1.6.2-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.14.6-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.14.6-2; sid: 1.14.6-2; experimental: 1.16.0-2
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2236[20:37:52] <bernyrd> shtrb: seems like it does not, there are still places it does not do the right thing
2237[20:37:54] <bernyrd> I think I found one
2238[20:38:03] <bernyrd> whatever qemu does makes the attachment invalid
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2240[20:38:21] <bernyrd> I have to unbind and rebind on usbip server, then reattach on client
2241[20:38:33] <bernyrd> but it look like client detached "properly" despite not being told to
2242[20:38:34] <shtrb> that is the correct flow
2243[20:39:10] <shtrb> oh no, I missread what you have wrote
2244[20:39:48] <bernyrd> yes see there is likely bug, but I am not a smart man
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2246[20:40:30] <shtrb> from the client (qemu) if you do usbip list -r hostserver is it listed ?
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2249[20:41:49] <bernyrd> yeah, lists fine, and attaches to Linux fine
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2251[20:42:22] <shtrb> I mean without the rebind action on the server
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2253[20:42:31] <bernyrd> oh, no
2254[20:43:02] <bernyrd> blacklisted drivers to be able to pass it to QEMU, but it looks like that did not solve issue and issue is QEMU re-enumerating the device (or similar). this makes usbipd not work and makes device d/c
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2259[20:44:11] <shtrb> I don't know how blacklisting device is any related to that (sorry, that is above my linux grade)
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2261[20:45:58] <shtrb> Are you sure you detaching the correct port on the client ?
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2263[20:47:05] <bernyrd> I never detach and detach fails
2264[20:47:23] <bernyrd> attempting to pass device to QEMU causes error and the usbip device disappears
2265[20:47:27] <shtrb> If you don't detach , the server assume it is still in use
2266[20:47:43] <shtrb> bernyrd, usbip work over IP range ...
2267[20:47:46] <bernyrd> I can unbind and rebind on server
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2269[20:48:05] <bernyrd> you do not understand
2270[20:48:21] <bernyrd> I know you are supposed to detach, but if I attach, attempt to pass to qemu, and then try to detach to recover, the detach fails
2271[20:48:34] <shtrb> I think you are making something incorrectly , usb*IP* interact over IP. from the client when you no longer need to use is , you call detach on the port
2272[20:48:57] <bernyrd> yes
2273[20:48:58] <shtrb> there shouldn't be usb pass thruw to qemu
2274[20:49:02] <BCMM> shtrb: i *think* he's talking about blacklisting kernel modules on the host machine, to ensure that the host isn't trying to use a hardware device that you want to pass through to a guest os
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2276[20:49:11] <bernyrd> usbip server <-> usbip client <-> qemu
2277[20:49:20] <bernyrd> the latter two on same server
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2279[20:49:49] <shtrb> that should be usbipD <-- qemu network stack --> qemu vm <-- usbip client
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2281[20:50:01] <bernyrd> no guest is not using usbip
2282[20:50:04] <bernyrd> the host is
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2284[20:50:22] <bernyrd> usbip on Windows has been broken for 6 years or more
2285[20:50:44] <shtrb> you have usbip deamon (on the server) and you need to run the client usbip in a VM
2286[20:50:48] <bernyrd> this is attempt at workaround, run Windows in VM on usbip client, and pass that device to qemu
2287[20:51:18] <bernyrd> no 2 computer, usb ip server, and usb ip client. usb ip client runs Windows VM.
2288[20:51:31] <bernyrd> Linux host on usbip client can see the device properly
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2290[20:51:46] <shtrb> oh ... sorry and facepalm
2291[20:51:47] <bernyrd> when I try to pass it to QEMU using USB vid and pid something goes wrong
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2294[20:52:39] <bernyrd> if I run the VM on the usbip server (where the HID device is plugged in) and just don't use usbip the passthrough works, so the device itself is compatible
2295[20:52:40] <shtrb> I think you will have better lack with linux-usb mailing list
2296[20:52:49] <bernyrd> what is a mailing list
2297[20:52:51] <shtrb> *luck
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2300[20:54:20] <shtrb> an E-mail interface to instance messaging. think of a slow and logged irc channel that you can interact with an e-mail client or a browser
2301[20:54:56] <shtrb> bernyrd, replaced-url
2302[20:56:56] <shtrb> also poke at #kernelnewbies
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2309[21:03:20] <shtrb> bernyrd, you can also use --debug on the client to see what is being sent
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2354[21:37:09] <bernyrd> seems no --debug option
2355[21:37:28] <jim> bernyrd, you can apt install reportbug
2356[21:38:38] <jim> which is a client where you fill in the package name, subject line, some details about your system and details of the bug you're reporting
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2358[21:39:23] <jim> and it emails that to the bug server, and then the report gets stored, and emailed to the maintainer
2359[21:39:37] <jim> who can add to the bug report
2360[21:40:43] <jim> I think reportbug will look at your system to get some details of that, to include in the bug report
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2369[21:47:11] <bernyrd> will it work without real email?
2370[21:47:14] <bernyrd> I just submit bug
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2373[21:48:11] <mutante> submit = send per mail ... afaict
2374[21:48:58] <bernyrd> I use irccloud to mask IP
2375[21:49:06] <bernyrd> am not sure I want email on big chatroom
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2476[22:58:49] <colemickens> Does anyone have an example of loading the squashfs from a initrd? live-boot says it should be possible by embedding the ISO into the initrd and using fromiso={}, but in reality, this doesn't actually work.
2477[22:59:13] <Sleaker> isn't that what ubuntu does?
2478[22:59:38] <Sleaker> and the newer debian live boot?
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2483[23:00:48] <colemickens> I'm not sure, I'll check the newest Ubuntu ISO. Maybe the Debian derivative I'm testing with is using an old live-boot?
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2556[23:51:42] <annadane> question, for checkrestart to have an entry like /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi-bus-launcher which i can't kill/restart using systemctl is a reboot a good idea?
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2558[23:53:35] <Unit193> I don't use that specific service, I tend to just kill it and allow it to respawn.
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2563[23:57:05] <annadane> "assistive technology"
2564[23:57:16] <annadane> i guess i should check the package descrip. first, lol. okay, thanks
2565[23:57:45] <Unit193> If you know which ones will autorespawn or not, that helps. :3
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