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5[00:05:11] <buu> what?
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7[00:05:20] <buu> really?
8[00:05:45] <buu> so what's the dev package named for that?
9[00:05:50] <_KaszpiR_> idk
10[00:05:56] <_KaszpiR_> maybe libopencl-dev ?
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13[00:06:00] <_KaszpiR_> (wild guess)
14[00:06:52] <_KaszpiR_> ah, just openvl-dev
15[00:06:57] <_KaszpiR_> ah, just opencl-dev
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18[00:08:51] <buu> _KaszpiR_: nope, no change
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20[00:08:56] <buu> -dev contains header files
21[00:08:59] <buu> not the libraries
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24[00:09:23] <buu> _KaszpiR_: -l means to 'link' against a shared object file known as a .so file
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26[00:09:39] <buu> _KaszpiR_: This means it loads a precompiled binary file containing library functions
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32[00:14:10] <_KaszpiR_> I think you still need opencl-headers though
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34[00:14:47] <symtex> is there a way to disable avahi-daemon on an interface? or only bind it to a specific interface?
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54[00:32:00] <TomG2> there lmust be, symtex
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56[00:32:22] <TomG2> sorry, i don't really know how. some daemons have it in the man page, or maybe you can run it out of xinetd
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77[00:47:38] <symtex> TomG2: thanks
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128[01:13:38] <Hyp3ri0n> how do i view the version of a package
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131[01:14:02] <Hyp3ri0n> i know it was cat /something/something | grep package-name
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133[01:14:21] <Hyp3ri0n> but i forgot the directory
134[01:14:33] <kion> I am trying to ssh into a server with a key, it works fine, but If I try to connect with a new user of the server that I just created it denys the connection, why?
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136[01:15:39] <LtL> Hyp3ri0n: apt-cache policy <packetname> will tell you
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138[01:15:53] <LtL> package*
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142[01:17:02] <LtL> Hyp3ri0n: dpkg -l packagename also i think
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145[01:17:23] <Hyp3ri0n> yeah forgot about tht
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449[03:52:05] <kingsley> Why would the commands "pavucontrol" and "aplay -L" stop seeing my audio card, even though the commands "lshw" and "lspci" still see it?
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451[03:53:32] <kingsley> Could upgrading the "udev" package from version 231-9 to 232-25 have broken them?
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457[03:59:58] <TomG2> possibly
458[04:00:01] <TomG2> yeah
459[04:00:33] <TomG2> kingsley, i don't know what to say, i get lost in pulseaudio or udev things
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462[04:02:18] <kingsley> I now see that my sound card is missing from the output of ... "cat /proc/asound/cards"
463[04:02:35] <TomG2> so, driver not loaded?
464[04:03:06] <pacha> how do I change the vendor information of a Debian system?
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466[04:04:02] <pacha> I want to change the output of lshw: description: Desktop Computer product: System Product Name (To be filled by O.E.M.) vendor: System manufacturer version: System Version serial: System Serial Number
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470[04:05:08] <kingsley> TomG2: To communicate clearly, did you ask if my sound card's driver is not loaded?
471[04:05:44] <TomG2> kingsley, yes. that's my first guess
472[04:05:58] <TomG2> possibly due to udev doing something else
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474[04:07:24] <kingsley> TomG2: OK, I think I understand your question, and it seems reasonable to me.
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477[04:08:16] <wiretapt> hello
478[04:08:46] <TomG2> hi
479[04:09:11] <kingsley> TomG2: Maybe I'm wrong, but the first thing that comes to my mind when I see the word "driver" is a kernel module. In this case, the "lsmod" command reveals a module with a name like the sound card.
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483[04:12:25] <TomG2> kingsley, does it start with snd-? can you paste just the single line that you're talking about?
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485[04:12:59] <TomG2> i'm not even sure what's supposed to load sound drivers on a udev+alsa+pulse system
486[04:13:08] <TomG2> i'd still be using /etc/modules...
487[04:13:17] <uxfi> Heya TomG2
488[04:13:18] <uxfi> How are ya
489[04:13:22] <TomG2> hello!
490[04:13:39] <TomG2> fine. just trying to somewhat help out with Debian
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493[04:14:14] <kingsley> TomG2: Close. Instead of starting with "snd-", the "lsmod" command says the kernel module's name starts with "snd_"
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500[04:17:18] <TomG2> kingsley, it sounds like it's loaded then
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502[04:17:37] <TomG2> dpkg, dmesg?
503[04:17:37] <dpkg> dmesg is used to examine or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time, the `dmesg' command shows you current ring buffer contents.
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506[04:18:02] <TomG2> can you grep dmesg for your soundcard name? (case insensitively)
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508[04:18:17] <TomG2> it sounds like a udev small problem
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541[04:39:44] <hanshenrik> the 194.71.11.165 server (apparently the favourite redirect of ftp.no.debian.org ) is down
542[04:40:23] <hanshenrik> i have to restart apt like 15 times before it'd redirect me to another server
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579[05:18:33] <ryzokuken> hey all!
580[05:18:48] <ryzokuken> what's the best (preferred) method of installed a DE?
581[05:18:54] <ryzokuken> using apt or running tasksel?
582[05:20:08] <hanshenrik> tasksel
583[05:20:19] <hanshenrik> if you use apt, it will probably miss some dependencies
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585[05:20:38] <hanshenrik> like installing lxde and lxterminal from apt may not install policykit1
586[05:20:53] <hanshenrik> but they will complain about a missing policykit1 when starting the terminal
587[05:20:59] <hanshenrik> and you'll have to apt install policykit1
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589[05:21:05] <hanshenrik> or something like that
590[05:21:21] <hanshenrik> i dont remember in detail what happened, but something like that happened
591[05:21:43] <hanshenrik> honestly, i dont even remember if it was LXDE or XFCE because i tested them both, but it was definitely 1 of those 2
592[05:22:29] <hanshenrik> ryzokuken, that said, tasksel install a bunch of bloat you never asked for
593[05:22:31] <hanshenrik> like libreoffice
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595[05:22:57] <hanshenrik> (if i want libreoffice, i will install libreoffice. but bundling libreoffice by default? that's bloaty imo)
596[05:23:25] <ryzokuken> hanshenrik, so, which one would you suggest?
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598[05:24:15] <hanshenrik> meh, if you want to be safe, tasksel. if you're comfortable fixing a paritally broken installation (like having to apt install policykit1 afterwards), you'll save space by using apt. up to you
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600[05:24:43] <otaviojr> help
601[05:24:44] <ryouma> shouldn't apt take care of dependencies? O.o
602[05:24:56] <ryzokuken> I thought it did.
603[05:25:13] <ryzokuken> if apt gets rid of the bloat, I will definitely prefer apt
604[05:25:31] <ryzokuken> I mean, I used tasksel to install GNOME when I installed, and I have games on my system ffs.
605[05:25:45] <ryzokuken> games like minesweeper
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608[05:27:17] <hanshenrik> ryzokuken, some of it. not all of it. (if you want to get rid of all the bloat, you'll have to do something like apt install --no-install-recommends lxde-core lxde-common; apt install lxdm xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-{YOUR-VIDEOCARD-PROVIDER-HERE (nvidia,intel,vmware,amd,dummy,etc)}} lxterminal policykit-1;
609[05:27:17] <hanshenrik> )
610[05:27:26] <ryouma> i prefer installing the minimum, because the installation environment is not a complete os. the goal is to get a complete os asap.
611[05:29:01] <hanshenrik> (that's how i install desktops on servers where the desktop is just needed to run a few programs that REQUIRES a desktop, but otherwise the desktop is just a bloat. like libreoffice configuration for libreoffice cli, or VMWare Player because i'm so poor that i can't affoard VMWare Workstation Pro, the CLI version, etc)
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614[05:29:52] <at0m> or, using aptitude, you can hand-pick suggests and recommends easily
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617[05:30:05] <hanshenrik> (i use libreoffice to convert some Excel documents to html via cli on a production server blabla)
618[05:30:39] <hanshenrik> (the libreoffice cli is severely lacking in error reporting on why stuff doesn't work. the libreoffice GUI is not.)
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652[06:14:45] <xerx> There is no system but GNU and Linux is one of it's kernels.
653[06:15:04] <xerx> I am attempting to find a package that comes with Debian, to install the BASIC programming language
654[06:15:58] <xerx> I read the debians packaging url, which mentioned the following packages : libfreebasic, YaBASIC, and mentioned that 'freebasic' was not yet packaged (but did mention the url)
655[06:16:19] <xerx> Does anyone know of a package that includes the basic programming language interpreter?
656[06:17:17] <xerx> I did 'apt-cache search <package_name_here>' for the packages mentioned on the debian url, however, no results were given.
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723[07:39:27] <daffy__> just a thought.. "adduser testuser sudo" shouldn't let user use sudo, since he is in sudo group?
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732[07:50:56] <daffy__> list
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741[07:55:25] <pacha> daffy__: depends on your sudoers file, you should have this: %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
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748[08:01:21] <daffy__> pacha: I am, is a reboot needed?
749[08:02:17] <pacha> daffy__: no, but you should probably restart your terminal. also double check with `sudo visudo` just to be sure
750[08:02:54] <pacha> and that command should be run with sudo as well, `sudo adduser testuser sudo`
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752[08:03:26] <daffy__> ok
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801[08:44:25] <dob1> hi, I would like to create a service for systemd to load/unload my iptables rules, what I don't know is what to put on Type of the service file,
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803[08:46:38] <dob1> simple/oneshot=
804[08:46:39] <dob1> ?
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815[08:52:59] <dob1> other than this page replaced-url
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830[09:12:26] <at0m> dob1: #systemd probably
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874[09:52:29] <Shenther> hi
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877[09:52:31] <Shenther> I have an odd problem you might be able to help with. I run apt-get update and it looks like normal but for the last 2-3 weeks nothing shows in apt-get upgrade as available. any ideas?
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881[09:53:23] <dob1> Shenther, do you have security updates in your source.list ?
882[09:53:57] <Shenther> no idea. I know I should have updates though as I have plex installed and it has been requesting an update for the last 2 weeks
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884[09:54:03] <Shenther> debain dietpi btw
885[09:54:25] <dob1> you have to check /etc/apt/source.list
886[09:54:50] <Shenther> checkin gnow
887[09:54:53] <Shenther> checking now*
888[09:55:33] <Shenther> security.debian.org is in the list
889[09:55:44] <dob1> which release ?
890[09:56:13] <Shenther> no clue. how do I check?
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892[09:56:36] <dob1> lsb_release -a
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894[09:57:18] <Shenther> that command didnt work
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896[09:57:34] <dob1> what you mean?
897[09:58:09] <dob1> sudo apt-get install lsb-release
898[09:58:14] <Shenther> "cat /etc/debian_version
899[09:58:14] <Shenther> " command tells me 8.8
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901[09:58:55] <Shenther> installing now
902[09:58:56] <dob1> deb replaced-url
903[09:59:15] <Shenther> yes
904[09:59:30] <dob1> I don't know
905[09:59:47] <Shenther> 8.8 jessie
906[09:59:47] <dob1> if you try to install a package that it works?
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908[10:00:40] <Shenther> installing packages works fine. it just never seems to have any upgrades available. however it says libgdiplus has been kept back and will not let me install
909[10:01:02] <dob1> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
910[10:01:08] <Shenther> tried it
911[10:01:08] <dob1> gives nothing?
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914[10:01:53] <fitemil_> hello. I just upgraded from jessie to stretch, and a few things are still broken
915[10:01:55] <Shenther> nope. dist-upgrade doesnt say anything has been kept back and nothing available
916[10:02:09] <fitemil_> the #1 worst one is that fonts in dialogs are showing as boxes (missing unicode style)
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918[10:02:10] <dob1> Shenther, sorry I don't know how to help you
919[10:02:31] <fitemil_> fonts in chrome and rxvt render fine, and in e.g. audacious the playing song looks fine but the playlist does not
920[10:02:38] <fitemil_> I suspect that a specific, important font is missing
921[10:02:44] <Shenther> thats ok
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925[10:03:08] <_AleX_> hi all ! I need control the size and position of a software that dont support -geometry option. Do you now a solution ?
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927[10:03:10] <fitemil> how can I troubleshoot this closer? I've tried appres and xrdb to find the resource
928[10:03:24] <_AleX_> s/now/know/
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1053[11:31:09] <fredl> Hi guys, I'm trying to help somebody get their Debian desktop Vietnamized
1054[11:31:47] <fredl> there's a task-vietnamese-desktop package
1055[11:32:04] <fredl> Should I install that somehow with tasksel or just regular way with apt-get?
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1059[11:33:21] <babilen> fredl: Both are fine -- Tasksel essentially "hides" the fact that it is a package after all. It pulls in libreoffice-l10n-vi, firefox-esr-l10n-vi | firefox-l10n-vi, hunspell-vi so you can also pick what you need from that list
1060[11:33:41] <fredl> ah okay, thanks babilen
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1062[11:34:17] <fredl> So when she installs that, will she still have possibility to switch back and forth from Vietnamese <-> English?
1063[11:34:28] <babilen> fredl: I would also recommend to look into ibus and the Vietnamese input methods
1064[11:34:49] <fredl> yeah I found ibus as well and looking into how to use that
1065[11:35:14] <babilen> That task and the package list seems to focus on getting you a localised libreoffice and firefox. I would reckon that your friend is more interested in a working input method and fonts
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1067[11:35:34] <babilen> Which desktop environment is she using?
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1069[11:35:48] <fredl> gnome 3, standard Debian Jessie
1070[11:35:57] <fredl> well, 'standard'... :)
1071[11:35:58] <strk> did squeeze just reach EOL ?
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1073[11:36:43] <babilen> dpkg: squeeze
1074[11:36:43] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: replaced-url
1075[11:36:46] <babilen> strk: ^
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1077[11:37:11] <babilen> LTS support ended on 2016-02-29
1078[11:37:14] <frostschutz> just a year or so ago, it's still fresh
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1085[11:39:06] <strk> uhm, but it's just recently (1 week?) that I'm getting replaced-url
1086[11:39:11] <strk> can it be ?
1087[11:39:50] <babilen> fredl: Okay, so look into ibus-table-viqr and ibus-unikey for ibus. These are the two input methods that come up when you run "apt-cache search ibus vietnam". I'm not familiar with vietnamese, but would expect one or both to full this niche.
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1089[11:40:38] <babilen> fredl: I would recommend to start by installing the "ibus" and "ibus-gtk" package and then reading /usr/share/doc/ibus/README.Debian.gz -- There's a lot of information in there
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1091[11:41:17] <fredl> okay, I installed that already, will check
1092[11:41:40] <babilen> fredl: Then pull in either ibus-unikey or ibus-viqr (not sure which is better) and relogin.
1093[11:41:44] <simpledat> whats the path for torbrowser in linux?
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1095[11:42:37] <babilen> fredl: I primarily use ibus for Japanese and Chinese within i3, but it should work even more seamlessly in Gnome3. I just haven't used that in quite a while and am not 100% sure what it entails. It might just work out of the box.
1096[11:42:40] <strk> dpkg: lenny
1097[11:42:41] <dpkg> Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. replaced-url
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1099[11:42:48] <frostschutz> strk, it's possible... they don't keep the old stuff around forever, see replaced-url
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1101[11:42:59] <babilen> strk: You can /msg the bot directly to ask questions "/msg dpkg lenny"
1102[11:43:28] <fredl> babilen - looks like im-config may also be relevant. For me this multilingual stuff is entirely new so I'll need some reading
1103[11:43:31] <babilen> simpledat: Debian ships a launcher that'll download torbrowser and put it in ~/.cache IIRC
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1105[11:44:07] <babilen> fredl: I think that im-config is run when the package is installed, but if it isn't working out of the box you might have to run "im-config -n ibus"
1106[11:44:41] <simpledat> babilen: there is no file or directory such as .cache
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1108[11:46:06] <babilen> simpledat: Look into $XDG_CACHE_HOME
1109[11:46:24] <fredl> @babilen: I just installed ibus-unikey and task-vietnamese-desktop. im-config did not automatically run but with that im-config -n ibus it's now added as input method
1110[11:46:43] <babilen> simpledat: It might also be placed in $XDG_DATA_HOME -- I'm not 100% sure
1111[11:47:03] <babilen> fredl: Great
1112[11:47:10] <simpledat> babilen: Nothing there
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1114[11:47:23] <babilen> simpledat: Did you run the launcher already?
1115[11:48:02] <simpledat> babilen: Yes
1116[11:48:05] <babilen> fredl: you can switch input methods with ctrl-space by default, but this can be configured in the ibus settings
1117[11:48:46] <fredl> yeah think I need to restart X first for that
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1119[11:49:55] <fredl> im-config is user specific right?
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1122[11:51:21] <babilen> simpledat: You should have ~/.config/torbrowser ~/.cache/torbrowser and ~/.local/share/torbrowser
1123[11:51:26] <babilen> fredl: It is, yeah
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1125[11:52:34] <fredl> alrite, bbl thanks for your help thus far babilen but need to restart X now :)
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1134[11:55:45] <simpledat> babilen: Ok thank you
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1148[12:05:30] <babilen> fredl: Did that work?
1149[12:06:17] <fredl> well I can't switch input method with control-space
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1173[12:25:02] <fredl> still looking into this :)
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1202[12:50:09] <Azrael_-> hi
1203[12:50:14] <Azrael_-> i want to access a disk attached using a sata2usb-adapter. how can i do this?
1204[12:52:06] <p0g0> Azrael_-: when you appy power to the drive and attach the USB lead, you should see a report in dmesg and be able to then mount the drive.
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1206[12:52:51] <SwedeMike> Azrael_-: as p0g0 said, after connecting it, the device name should be visible using dmesg" or some other tool like "lsblk" and then you can mount it like any other drive.
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1209[12:53:30] <Azrael_-> p0g0 / sweatsuit: thanks, will try it. feared i had to use a special driver for this
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1211[12:54:42] <p0g0> Azrael_-: if you have an exotic filesystem, you might need some more tools, jfs for example, might take adding tools.
1212[12:54:56] <p0g0> depending on what is already onboard...
1213[12:55:17] <Azrael_-> the fs is not my fear. it is a dying disk which fails to be found by the bios. need to do some data rescue
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1215[12:55:47] <Azrael_-> if i attach it using sata, the machine doesn't start up at all
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1217[12:56:22] <p0g0> well, that's still going to fail with the USB, most likely.
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1219[12:56:43] <p0g0> But I can see the notion that yuo might get the machine up to effect some resuce.
1220[12:56:46] <Azrael_-> currently i can see the disk using windows but the tools there miserably fail me
1221[12:56:53] <p0g0> *you... rescue
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1223[12:57:12] <Azrael_-> i just need to be able to get a full backup with dd_rescue once, then i'm happy
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1225[12:58:58] <p0g0> I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Is it a mechanical failure, or maybe an electronic? You might be able to swap in another board from an identical drive.
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1227[12:59:51] <p0g0> Azrael_-: this is where you get a horse out of the barn remark about making backups...
1228[13:00:46] <Azrael_-> i know
1229[13:00:59] <Azrael_-> it isn't my machine, but a remote one of a friend.
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1234[13:01:25] <Azrael_-> but i admit i also don't really do regularly backups. not enough space
1235[13:02:12] <p0g0> I personally cannot imagine using a computer without a backup regime, but I have been at this since the 1970s...
1236[13:02:22] <Azrael_-> great
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1268[13:48:44] <apfel> hi there, is there a debian installation image which comes with virtio drivers by default? I want to run debian as a virtual machine with only virtio.
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1271[13:50:18] <hanshenrik> apfel, not that i know of, but i imagine it'd be easy to write a preseed version of the netinst that installs virtio by default
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1287[13:58:01] <towo`> virtio is in kernel
1288[13:58:36] <towo`> so there is no problem installing debian in a vm which provides virtio-devices
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1290[13:59:37] <apfel> well, i tried it, with the netinstall image and it did not detect my virtio cdrom and virtio disk, i googled a little bit and then found out that virtio is not part of the image but the kernel module can be installed as a package
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1292[14:00:04] <apfel> but i will now try this one replaced-url
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1294[14:00:21] <apfel> which acording to the contents file includes the virtio package
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1301[14:03:25] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i've troubles with my laptop wlan ... iwconfig gives me normal output but i dont' see any wireless networks :( (realtek rtl8191 se and the laptop model is an terra mobile 1509p)
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1306[14:05:43] <nkuttler> !rtl8191se
1307[14:05:43] <dpkg> The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. replaced-url
1308[14:06:03] <nkuttler> !tell rocketmagnet about realtek firmware
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1311[14:08:30] <rocketmagnet> nkuttler: i did this but the problem is i first installed another kernel module for a wrong chipset without deinstalling it and now it doesn't work maybe becaue of this
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1317[14:10:28] <rocketmagnet> nkuttler: how do uninstall this other module ??
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1320[14:12:03] <karvas> Hello, my Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 is not working on debian jessie, even though I installed 'firmware-iwlwifi' from non-free and this package supports this hardware
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1322[14:12:21] <karvas> Should I upgrade to testing maybe?
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1331[14:19:02] <DarkZero> did the free driver not work first?
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1333[14:21:04] <DarkZero> sometimes the non free drivers from the manufacturers are not coded correctly for linux
1334[14:21:46] <karvas> DarkZero: no the card did not work before
1335[14:21:54] <DarkZero> do you know exactly what is causing the device to not be recognized
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1339[14:22:34] <karvas> no, how can I find out? I tried to look into syslog and dmesg
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1350[14:25:53] <rocketmagnet> nkuttler: how do uninstall this other module ??
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1376[14:36:09] <et_al> can anyone tell me a command (iptables?) to block all traffic to one port, except to from two IPs
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1381[14:37:40] <rudi_s> et_al: Important read: replaced-url
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1389[14:40:41] <et_al> thanks rudi_s, appreciate it
1390[14:41:35] <rudi_s> np
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1411[14:57:28] <Azimoth> I happen to run into a dependency conflict when installing homegear on my Stretch installation. Homegear wants "libcurl4-gnutls-dev", installed is "libcurl4-openssl-dev". Can I simply swap one for the other or is the dissimilarity between the two too big to act as a drop in replacement? How could I find out how my system would affected by this?
1412[14:58:07] <jelly> Azimoth: why does an app want a -dev package? Why do you have it installed in the first place?
1413[14:59:09] <Azimoth> jelly: Let me have a look at what apt says...
1414[14:59:36] <jelly> Azimoth: -dev packages are only relevant when compiling and and not during normal use, so you might as well remove it
1415[15:00:49] <Azimoth> jelly: Then let me see what I did compile on this machine... and if it remains relevant...
1416[15:02:04] <jelly> the real question is why this "homegear" thing wants a -dev package as a dependency in the first place
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1421[15:05:20] <Azimoth> jelly: well... homegear is supposed to act as an "virtual Homematic control centre"... I don't know what that actually requires tbh
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1423[15:06:37] <Azimoth> jelly: Are you somewhat familiar with home automation? I'm new to this field, so my explanations are probably a little weak to say the least...
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1425[15:07:00] <jelly> sorry
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1427[15:09:00] <Azimoth> jelly: I had to install -dev packages quite often as dependencies, admittedly for R dependencies and stuff like that... should I question the installation of -dev packages in general as long as it's not linked to some programming from my side?
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1429[15:10:20] <jelly> yes, mostly
1430[15:10:41] <Azimoth> any famous exceptions?
1431[15:10:46] <jelly> manpages-dev
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1434[15:12:26] <Azimoth> Alright so, chances are, as long as I don't compile anything I should not break anything by removing libcurl4-openssl-dev and then think about whether I install libcurl4-gnutls-dev?
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1439[15:16:46] <Azimoth> jelly: Thanks for your help. ;)
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1442[15:18:28] <jelly> yeah, pretty much
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1477[15:36:59] <nix64bit> I treid to run dmesg as user and got this dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
1478[15:37:19] <nix64bit> after upgrading to stretch
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1485[15:42:09] <et_al> why does sudo cd not work?
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1497[15:47:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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1500[15:47:57] <jelly> et_al, "cd" command is internal to shell. sudo creates a new shell, runs a command, and exits
1501[15:48:27] <jelly> !wayttd et_al
1502[15:48:27] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do, et_al?
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1504[15:48:55] <et_al> I was just curious
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1507[15:51:46] <JPT> It may make more sense if you check out the cwd-symlink (current working directory) your shell process in /proc/<pid here>/
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1551[16:12:57] <ert67> Hello
1552[16:13:05] <ert67> with replaced-url
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1554[16:13:41] <ert67> is it possible to asign wlan0 to static and use resolvconf to set DNS Name server, or is there another way to config dns name server?
1555[16:13:45] <ert67> besides on client
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1565[16:17:40] <jordila> umh... backports newbie, here
1566[16:18:58] <jordila> according to doc. ... just 'apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package"' after adding backports repository to sources.list would do the job ? so simple ?
1567[16:19:10] * jordila loves #debian
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1570[16:20:36] <prussian> yes
1571[16:20:43] <prussian> pretty much.
1572[16:21:07] <prussian> you might have to apt update
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1574[16:21:20] <prussian> probably should apt upgrade as well
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1576[16:21:38] <jim> ert67, hi, and yes, it should be possible to assign a static address to wlan0, either in network-manager/wicd or similar, or /etc/network/interfaces... resolvconf, that package adds dns-* syntax to the interfaces file, so if you want to use that, I think you'd have to use interfaces
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1579[16:23:06] <frankie__> a general question on email here..does email account(mailbox) corresponds to the user account? Do i need to create a new user account for a new email user if I were to setup a local network mail server?
1580[16:23:20] <jim> the 18th happens to be the summer solstice... does that have anything to do with why they picked that date to release stretch?
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1604[16:39:48] <Mazhive> hello guys can some one help me with een
1605[16:40:07] <Mazhive> a problem with a chrooted sftp
1606[16:40:28] <Mazhive> i have used this tutorial replaced-url
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1608[16:40:57] <Mazhive> but the problem is i also use normal sftp on my own
1609[16:40:59] <Mazhive> user
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1611[16:42:49] <Mazhive> it seems it uses the public key to check a chrooted users too which i use for my own user -- Permission denied (publickey).
1612[16:42:49] <Mazhive> Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer
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1636[16:55:27] <ctOS> Hi. Who do I contact regarding a bug with the replaced-url
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1645[16:57:50] <jordila> jim ... i love your approach, solstice, yay
1646[16:58:14] <jordila> prussian++
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1648[16:58:26] <prussian> ???
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1658[17:02:50] <Mazhive> how can i sftp ignoring the key
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1707[17:23:33] <swamprat> I installed jessie onto a dell laptop it can't find the wireless card replaced-url
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1709[17:24:05] <Mathisen> swamprat, lspci
1710[17:24:06] <swamprat> in the bios it says Wireless device = Intel wireless.
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1712[17:24:44] <swamprat> Mathisen: replaced-url
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1715[17:25:11] <swamprat> I guess it's the network controller?
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1717[17:25:37] <mtn> swamprat: have you tried using a newer kernel? you can get one from backports
1718[17:25:57] <zykotic10> swamprat: note, intel uses non-free wireless drivers/firmware :( so you might want to check "dmesg" for any messages about missing firmware...
1719[17:26:29] <Mathisen> im also guessing on kernel version
1720[17:26:35] <Mathisen> if not non-free helps
1721[17:26:59] <swamprat> okay. so go to the newer kernel and take it from there?
1722[17:27:29] <Mathisen> swamprat, listen to zykotic10 fiest
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1724[17:27:34] <Mathisen> first*
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1729[17:29:18] <swamprat> Looks like it lists a lot. What should I be looking for?
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1737[17:32:10] <zykotic10> swamprat: have you consulted replaced-url
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1741[17:33:22] <swamprat> cool thanks
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1851[18:20:10] <g0zzy> As what user are the systemd scripts run?
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1879[18:33:44] <jak2000> how to fix: sudo: unable to open /var/lib/sudo/ts/jak: Read-only file system
1880[18:33:44] <jak2000> cp: cannot create regular file ‘/opt/glassfish4/glassfish/domains/swItsol/autodeploy/jinvmanz.war’: Read-only file system
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1882[18:34:11] <jak2000> how to force to startup the system and fix the errors?
1883[18:34:22] <g0zzy> You need to find out why it's RO
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1886[18:35:02] <jak2000> g0zzy :(
1887[18:35:11] <jak2000> any sudo command
1888[18:35:18] <jak2000> ask and ask the password
1889[18:35:20] <jak2000> why?
1890[18:35:46] <jak2000> su - never ask the password :(
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1892[18:36:27] <g0zzy> It can be configured to not ask for the pw
1893[18:37:26] <g0zzy> But you need to fix that system first
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1898[18:39:31] <john_rambo> How do I install firejail under Jessie ?
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1922[18:54:02] <at0m> ,v firejail
1923[18:54:03] <judd> Package: firejail on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.9.44.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.9.44.8-2; sid: 0.9.44.8-2; experimental: 0.9.46-2
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1967[19:12:15] <danielh1234> Hi. Which nsswitch module answers 'gateway'?
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1971[19:15:28] <teraflops> danielh1234: what's your _real_ issue?
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1974[19:17:58] <danielh1234> teraflops: I am considering specifying 'gateway' as the apt repository / other infrastructure stuff and want to make sure that is does not only work because of some strange quirk on my system.
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1976[19:18:50] <teraflops> danielh1234: you mean replaced-url
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1978[19:20:29] <danielh1234> Yes exactly, it seems my search expressions were not good enough. Thanks!
1979[19:20:35] <teraflops> np
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1984[19:23:40] <dob1> the packages installed from backports are the ones that will go in stretch?
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1990[19:28:12] <danielh1234> dob1: backports is for making newer packages available on top of stable. stretch as the currently frozen testing is independent of that I believe. There will be stretch-backports though once it's stable.
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1996[19:35:56] <BluesKaj> the line stretch-backports deblins can be added to the sources.list, but as danielh1234 says the repos seem frozen atm
1997[19:36:21] <BluesKaj> debline rather
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2002[19:42:35] <BluesKaj> dob1, well, don't mixand match debian OS version sources
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2026[19:54:13] <Guest78493> Could anyone help for troubleshooting hangs/reboot of my server?
2027[19:55:53] <Guest78493> Also need to know if there is a good tool to graph outputs of sar, iostat, vmstat, etc. ?
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2032[20:08:14] <teraflops> check logs, check your hw, ram, disks, controllers, cables and so on
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2051[20:21:52] <teraflops> !icestats
2052[20:21:54] <teraflops> ooops
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2054[20:21:56] <teraflops> srry
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2058[20:26:29] <g0zzy> As what user are the systemd scripts run?
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2084[20:42:16] <danielh1234> g0zzy: for the system instance and roots user instance root by default, but may be changed. For other users instances always that user. replaced-url
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2091[20:46:01] <g0zzy> Thanks
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2142[21:17:35] <winsx> Hi. Is there a command line program that is able to play mp3 files?
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2146[21:18:20] <jelly> winsx, there's dozens, mpv can do audio files and video
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2150[21:18:39] <winsx> I was using omxplayer in a raspberry pi, to play mp3 files remotely
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2152[21:18:55] <winsx> but it doesnt work if you want to output the sound through a usb soundcard
2153[21:19:07] <winsx> and aplay only accepts .wav files
2154[21:19:27] <jelly> so you just need to configure it properly to use the right card
2155[21:19:48] <jelly> if you're using raspbian instead of debian, ask in #raspbian channel
2156[21:20:17] <winsx> oh, ok
2157[21:20:21] <winsx> i'll check mpv in any case
2158[21:20:41] * jelly travels back in time to when mpg123 was basically the _only_ free player
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2161[21:22:50] <BluesKaj> omxplayer should work on it's own with the builtin soundcard
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2163[21:23:21] <BluesKaj> don't understand the need for a usb snd
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2166[21:24:06] <winsx> BluesKaj: the builtin works, but it's noisy at low volumes
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2168[21:24:27] <winsx> with a cheap usb soundcard, the sound is perfect at any volume :)
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2173[21:26:30] <BluesKaj> winsx, noise floor usually drops withe volume, do you have a mic input cranked up
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2183[21:30:00] <winsx> No, just a 3.5mm jack connected to two computer speakers. If you turn up the volume and nothing is playing (or a song is quiet), you can clearly hear a background noise
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2186[21:30:29] <jelly> not that it's debian relevant, but a cheap usb sound card gives vastly better s/n compared to any onboard chip
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2190[21:34:17] <BluesKaj> heh, I used Kodi for some media files on my rpi3 with raspbian pixel and I didn't notice any noise whatsoever
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2195[21:34:56] <giuda> !list
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2197[21:35:20] <BluesKaj> !it | giuda
2198[21:35:33] <BluesKaj> oops no bot info there
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2200[21:36:15] <teraflops> they were not looking for debian support anyway
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2204[21:38:18] <winsx> well, raspbian is based on debian, no?
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2209[21:38:29] <BluesKaj> yes
2210[21:38:46] <teraflops> winsx: please dont start this discussion again
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2213[21:39:16] <winsx> I didn't know that had already been discussed
2214[21:39:27] <teraflops> dejavu⁹
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2216[21:39:44] <BluesKaj> teraflops, yeah some Italian music magazine said freenode irc was full of p2p file sharing chatrooms
2217[21:39:54] <teraflops> BluesKaj: indeed
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2220[21:40:22] <teraflops> BluesKaj: the bot already has an automated reply for !list in Italian ;P
2221[21:40:45] <BluesKaj> teraflops, heh, good to know :-)
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2225[21:42:01] <zoomm10> hello, windows 7 error: a disk read error occurred, any idea?
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2228[21:42:32] <teraflops> nope
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2233[21:44:11] <BluesKaj> zoomm10, ask in #windows
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2237[21:44:45] <Guest78493> ksar seems to be stopped! Does anyone know if there is a replacement?
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2242[21:45:27] <zoomm10> BlueesKaj: the problem is because i run the command : sudo install-grub /dev/sda
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2244[21:46:32] <BluesKaj> zoomm10, uefi or bios?
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2247[21:47:12] <zoomm10> bluesKaj: uefi
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2251[21:48:28] <BluesKaj> well, that leaves me out ...dunno much about installing grub the mbr on uefi , the uefi/boot partition I think
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2259[21:50:36] <JustSomebody> servus
2260[21:51:04] <JustSomebody> i have a problem with changing docker root directory
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2264[21:52:23] <JustSomebody> ok first i need to fix the docker installation
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2267[21:55:19] <JustSomebody> funny nick changes KindOne
2268[21:56:29] <KindOne> JustSomebody, this is my REAL nick. Had fun confusing people with a nick switch with someone else. Now for extra confusion.
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2270[21:56:58] <JustSomebody> but whois ...
2271[21:57:12] <KindOne> nobody everyone does it, makes it 10x more funny.
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2273[21:57:24] <JustSomebody> yeah :D
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2275[21:57:46] <KindOne> its bad it took 4+ weeks for some people to notice.
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2277[21:58:17] <JustSomebody> they didnt payed attention
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2280[21:58:34] <missmbob> no one cares. stay on /topic
2281[21:58:39] <jelly> it's just annoying
2282[21:58:43] <JustSomebody> man i think i screwed up my docker installation :(
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2284[21:58:54] <JustSomebody> can somebody helping me to fix this?
2285[21:58:57] <KindOne> missmbob, yes mother /end.
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2292[22:02:16] <jelly> JustSomebody, possibly someone in #docker might
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2295[22:02:35] <JustSomebody> they said go to the distri
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2297[22:02:40] <jelly> hah
2298[22:03:56] <jelly> so you got to the distro, maybe try providing the same info that got you that conclusion?
2299[22:04:03] <jelly> !ask
2300[22:04:08] <jelly> er.
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2304[22:04:38] <jelly> "If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>."
2305[22:06:27] <JustSomebody> i have a problem with E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) docker installation
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2312[22:07:48] <luccky> hello
2313[22:07:59] <jelly> JustSomebody, that's the last line of output of a command. Can you also provide the part with "I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ "
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2315[22:08:36] <jelly> JustSomebody, pastebin the whole command and whole output, on eg. replaced-url
2316[22:08:47] <jelly> JustSomebody, which debian release is this?
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2319[22:09:15] <luccky> does anyone know how to install wps office into lubuntu system, i get error message that libpng1200 isn't installed but in the synaptic package manager i haven't found this version of libpng, there is just 1600
2320[22:09:29] <JustSomebody> its 8.8 with 4.7 kernel
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2323[22:10:32] <JustSomebody> replaced-url
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2325[22:11:29] <jelly> JustSomebody, which repo are you getting docker-engine package from?
2326[22:11:44] <JustSomebody> how can i check this?
2327[22:11:59] <jelly> apt-cache policy docker-engine
2328[22:12:09] <jelly> or better, LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy docker-engine
2329[22:12:26] <jelly> I don't really German a lot
2330[22:12:28] <JustSomebody> replaced-url
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2333[22:13:33] <jelly> so it's a binary package coming from dockerproject.org. Did you take a look at why the service start failed, like the installation attempt said?
2334[22:13:42] <jelly> 'systemctl status docker.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details
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2337[22:15:34] <jelly> JustSomebody, since the package and service definition doesn't come from debian, but from docker people, I'm not sure why they think debian people might help fixing it
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2339[22:16:25] <JustSomebody> yeah
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2341[22:18:21] <JustSomebody> replaced-url
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2348[22:23:44] <Atm0spher1c> luccky, wtf are you doing? just install libreoffice
2349[22:23:53] <Atm0spher1c> luccky, ask #ubuntu
2350[22:24:32] <danielh1234> JustSomebody: I only see the 'restarting too quickly, refusing' part, maybe get the full log with `journalctl -n all -u docker`.
2351[22:26:54] <JustSomebody> journalctl -n all -u docker Failed to add match 'all': << all doesnt work
2352[22:27:30] <luccky> i have libreoffice too but how shall i deal with ppt files with it
2353[22:27:47] <luccky> it has just writer which is for docx files mostly
2354[22:27:55] <danielh1234> try replacing all with 2000 or some other large number. It is the line count to output.
2355[22:28:30] <jmcnaught> luccky: libreoffice impress can open powerpoint files, but if you are using lubuntu and not debian then you should go to the proper channel
2356[22:29:17] <JustSomebody> danielh1234: unable to configure the Docker daemon with file /etc/docker/daemon.json: json: cannot unmarshal string into Go value of type map[string]interface {} <<< found it
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2358[22:29:33] <luccky> ok, sorry, i don't know what i am using for sure though
2359[22:29:51] <luccky> it says ubuntu in the info in some of the tools i found
2360[22:30:02] <luccky> it's my second day with the stuff
2361[22:30:13] <jelly> luccky, "lsb_release -a" may help figuring out which distro it is
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2363[22:31:36] <luccky> it says ubuntu 17.04
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2365[22:31:42] <luccky> so where do i go, which channel?
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2367[22:32:03] <jelly> each distro has its own playground sandbox to provide volunteer help with and their own color for toys. If you got toys of different color, we won't like your toys and will tell you go to go the orange part of the playground
2368[22:32:14] <missmbob> luccky: #ubuntu
2369[22:32:24] <luccky> ok boss
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2374[22:35:41] <lesik> hey, I was looking through my apt history.log and I found weird entries that contain neither a Commandline param nor Install/Upgrade/etc. Start-time and End-time are the same. what was apt doing there?
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2377[22:36:04] <lesik> example: `Start-Date: 2016-12-27 17:17:45 \n End-Date: 2016-12-27 17:17:45`
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2381[22:36:42] <jelly> apt-get update?
2382[22:36:52] <lesik> ...
2383[22:36:53] <lesik> makes sense
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2385[22:37:10] <lesik> but why is the duration <1 sec?
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2387[22:37:30] <jelly> somehow apt works blazingly fast, but only on your system
2388[22:37:37] <lesik> ;)
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2410[22:52:48] <prussian> o
2411[22:52:54] <prussian> apt is pretty fast
2412[22:53:00] <prussian> I think it's a modern client as well
2413[22:53:10] <prussian> frontend
2414[22:53:29] <prussian> it's got the cool curses/readline stuff too
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2418[22:55:42] <lavenders> hi
2419[22:56:04] <lavenders> Do you know of a solid rss reader with email notification?
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2422[22:57:46] <jelly> apt is pretty horribly serialized and slow
2423[22:58:13] <jelly> with any of the frontends.
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2429[22:59:31] <awal1> lavenders, aptitude search rss
2430[22:59:32] <sponge> Hello
2431[22:59:52] <jandrusk> Since 6/3/17, unattended-upgrades won't execute on Debian Testing. Anyone else run into this issue? I re-installed and validated the config files.
2432[23:00:09] <sponge> Anyone here uses RSI break?
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2435[23:00:49] <jelly> sponge, does workrave count
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2438[23:01:29] <jelly> jandrusk, is that June 3rd or March 6th
2439[23:02:22] <JustSomebody> hey jelly my friend i figured out the error with danielh1234 help :D now i have a problem with a syntax error i think maybe u can help me with this.
2440[23:02:24] <jandrusk> June 3rd and updates have been available since then; if I run apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade it works
2441[23:02:46] <sponge> jelly: Hmmm unfortunately I used to use workrave, but now that I'm on plasma-kde I can't. It doesn't function correctly. I'm trying to find a way to change the settings of RSI break, so that 'not moving the mouse for 1 second' wouldn't count as a break. I think in workrave I had the option to set it.
2442[23:02:53] <jelly> !debian-next
2443[23:03:00] <jelly> erm.
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2447[23:03:20] <jelly> > #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2448[23:03:27] <jelly> jandrusk, ^^ ask there as well
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2452[23:04:00] <jelly> I hope you're targeting "stretch" and not "testing", or you're going to be in for a wild ride after stretch is released
2453[23:04:07] <jandrusk> thanks, jelly. will do.
2454[23:05:17] <jandrusk> lol, yes I have "stretch' targeted.
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2459[23:06:39] <lavenders> awal1: what do you mean , what programm supports rss feed email notifications?
2460[23:07:14] <lavenders> apt-get rss, then tab shows options, one could be the right one rss2email ?
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2462[23:07:49] <JustSomebody> replaced-url
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2466[23:08:11] <awal1> lavenders, aptitude will list for you available rss clients
2467[23:08:21] <lavenders> how to
2468[23:08:23] <awal1> <i don't use any, so no clue
2469[23:08:46] <awal1> check pkgs descriptions
2470[23:08:51] <lavenders> how to generate the list
2471[23:08:56] <lavenders> not how to use it
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2474[23:09:45] <awal1> aptitude search rss
2475[23:10:02] <awal1> or apt-cache --names-only search rss
2476[23:10:03] <danielh1234> JustSomebody: it is exactly what you configured: Now Docker saves its images, containers, volumes etc. to the directory ' -s overlay2' which lies under '/media/Docker/docker/'.
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2478[23:11:48] <JustSomebody> huh? i wanted to pointing it to /media/Docker/docker and not to -s overlay2 ... i only added this because it didnt worked w/o danielh1234
2479[23:11:56] <lavenders> ok thx will check
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2486[23:15:00] <JustSomebody> docker got his containers stuff usually in /var/lib/docker and not /media/Docker/docker so im confused
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2490[23:17:19] <JustSomebody> Danielss89: so the correct syntax would be "data-root": "/var/lib/docker /media/Docker/docker/"?
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2496[23:20:18] <Danielss89> danielh1234 ^^
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2499[23:22:09] <danielh1234> JustSomebody: the error says 'I found leftover stuff from multiple graphdrivers, you can either clean up a bit or tell me which one to use'. Now look where you wrote that option in the JSON, it is still in the path string. See replaced-url
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2504[23:24:42] <JustSomebody> but its outdated since i need to use "data-root" and no longer "graph" and there is no example how to add storage driver in this json file
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2507[23:25:27] <JustSomebody> the funny thing is, i only do extend the path and it works?
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2515[23:28:04] <danielh1234> yes, in this case it does. But not because it uses the driver you tried to specify, but rather because there is no leftover stuff in the horrible directory that has spaces in its name.
2516[23:29:08] <danielh1234> you satisfied the first solution the error message provided: clean up (even if you did it by just telling docker to look elsewhere)
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2524[23:35:03] <JustSomebody> ok i need to delete the folder and then it gonna work?
2525[23:35:09] <JustSomebody> sorry if im kinda dumb
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2529[23:36:29] <danielh1234> That should work, it should also suffice to delete the directories from the driver you don't want to use. That way you can keep some images and containers.
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2531[23:39:38] <JustSomebody> how can i enter / -s overlay2/ directory?
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2535[23:41:47] <danielh1234> The link I provided, referenced section linux configuration file: `... "storage-driver": "", ...` Have you tried putting that in the json?
2536[23:42:30] <danielh1234> (with overlay2 of course)
2537[23:42:38] <JustSomebody> i will now
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2545[23:46:18] <JustSomebody> replaced-url
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2548[23:47:24] <danielh1234_> you still have { and } in the json file right?
2549[23:47:32] <JustSomebody> yes
2550[23:47:43] <JustSomebody> dunno where he found this char
2551[23:48:18] <JustSomebody> removed empty spaces but this wasnt the error
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2553[23:48:40] <danielh1234_> can you attach the json file itself to a paste?
2554[23:49:17] <JustSomebody> the empty spaces was the error my bad
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2556[23:49:55] <danielh1234_> ok
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2564[23:52:02] <Qimple> hmmm webchat crashed
2565[23:52:09] <Qimple> replaced-url
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2568[23:53:15] <zululee> I'm having major problems with SteamOS (yes, why am I even running SteamOS) on a box with an AMD GPU. HDMI audio is not working every other reboot. All other devices are disabled. Alsa says its there. Pulse Audio manager sees it. Any ideas?
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2572[23:54:30] <missmbob> !steamos
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2574[23:55:01] <missmbob> poor dpkg died i guess
2575[23:55:23] <missmbob> zululee: anyway, steamos isnt supported here. try their channel/forum
2576[23:55:48] <zululee> missmbob: got it, its just that being based on Debian Jessie I thought there might some cross over.
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2579[23:57:28] <Qimple> how can i enter a folder like this / -s something/ tried ls / -s something/ but wont work
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